Norbert Cartagena wrote:
>
> Smitty wrote:
> >
> > Norb,
> > Frankly, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I suggest
> > you read some libertarian authored books (you have no excuse not to as
> > you work in a bookstore) before you spew forth political stupidity.
> > Limbaugh is a conservative and if you knew anything at all about
> > libertarianism, you would not be advertising your ignorance by confusing
> > the two.
> > Smitty
> >
>
> Actually, I DO know what the fuck I'm talking about. I'm not reffering
> to the social aspects of the Liberatarian agenda as opposed to the GOP
> agenda. In fact, like Harry Browne, I agree that non-violent drug
> offenses shopuld not be criminally prosecuted, though I do believe it
> should be treated as the disease it is, like Alcoholism (I don't agree
> that we should do away with the military or the education system or
> privatize prisions or pull out of the UN and NATO, or allow the rampant
> growth of the WTO, unempeeded by those evil environmental and worker
> protecting laws that sovereighnties DARE uphold). However, The far nutty
> right that I'm talking about is the abusive form of Mills's Liberatarian
> philosophy which the far far Republican right (the - as described by
> many of its own members - "Liberatarian wing" of the party), in which,
> yes, to each their own, but unless it's done responsively it will not
> only neccessarily affect others, but rather it will also affect and
> impede upon another's freedoms. My example of this is the ecological
> attrocities which King George and Dick Cheney (oh, such appropriate
> name), are paving the way for with their new legislation (energy). Such
> short sightedness and plain-out greed should be prosecuted (c'mon, can
> you actually tell me that two Texas oil men don't have their minds more
> on their wallets than on the health of the nation when it comes to Oil?
> If you believe that, then I have a bridge in Frisco that I'd like to
> sell you). It is people like these that support the increase of wealth
> of the ultra wealthy, turning a blind eye to the way that future
> generations, as well as current ones, are being and will be affected.
> Liberatarian philisophy works the same way when applied to government in
> that it does not enforce the right of an individual to enjoy complete
> freedoms in the case of another more wealthy and powerful individual's
> attempt to take that freedom away - for example, the freedom to go to
> the beach and be relatively safe, as opposed to swimming in water that
> has more industrial pollutants than Houston, due to the government not
> taking the freedom to pollute indiscriminantly from a mega-corporation,
> such as GE or Exxon. The more powerful in this case has taken the
> freedom away from the first individual to both enjoy themselves and the
> freedom to have a healthy life if they so choose.
>
> In short, Liberatarianism works well at the micro level, but fails
> miserably at the macro level - it introduces individual freedom without
> responsibility. In fact, it is Liberatarians who often argue that Gates
> is NOT a monopolist, even though he has OBVIOUSLY taken the freedoms of
> others away.
Now, you are confusing the Libertarian Party, which is not exactly
libertarian, with the political philosophy of libertarianism. They are
two different entities. I know, as I was a member for four years and
was a county chair for two. There are perhaps more centrists in the LP
than libertarians at present, and THEY are the ones who tout Gates as
being a persecuted businessman. The philosophy of libertarianism
advocates both freedom and responsibility. The lp selectively advocates
economic rights at the expense of individual rights. Yes, this is an
attribute of the authoritarian right which in your words is far-nutty
right, but there it is. There are many libertarians who object to the
lp's support of ms. But, bear in mind, the party and the philosophy are
different.
> This is what I consider the far nutty right. Of course,
> here I'm talking about economics, not reffering to the "moral
> superiority" of the far-nutty GOP Right (don't get me into that one).
> There is a difference in the social aspect, but when it comes to
> economics the GOP and Liberatarians are merely examples of someone going
> too far and the other saying "it's not far enough!"
>
> Norb,
>
> Perfect centrist, but absolute leftist if viewed from the Far Nutty
> right.
>
> (P.S. Paul, as for a vast right-wing conspirracy, what do you call the
> WTO?)
>
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