On Sun, 2002-06-16 at 20:09, David Meyer wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> Off the shelf or not, I was told "no can do." As a business owner not
> interested in irritating the wrong people at other companies, I listened to
> what he told me. I also told him that I would pass along the information to
> the local LUG, to which he said, "Go for it...doesn't change anything."
>
I still don't believe that you talked to the right person. You should
call back and escalate the call all the way to the top if necessary. I'd
put $1.00 on it being a misunderstanding.
> If you are referring to SuSE as a company working with me, your
> incorrect...they have been very easy to work with. As you are aware, they do
> not release their ISO's for Intel...you need to buy them. At the price they
> charge, I'll eat the cost for my customer because I gave them a price, and
> I'm sticking to it. Corporately, SuSE has a great channel program...at least
> they have been great for me.
I'm glad that's the case. Weren't they considering per box licensing
some time ago? Who other than you supports SUSE in the area? If you sell
SUSE to this school system and you decide to take your business and
leave the state, who will support them? Maybe it's just that buy
American side that says to give RH another chance, and stay as far from
deb/slack as you can. (Unless they have dedicated support staff.)
>
> Dave
>
> On Sunday 16 June 2002 06:52 pm, you wrote:
> > Go with the GPL or off the shelf version of RH 7.3 like every other major
> > corporation in america. I'm sure you spoke to someone that didn't know what
> > they are doing, and I'll bet that if you managed to speak with someone that
> > did you would soon realize that they aren't that bad. You didn't try hard
> > enough before you tucked your tail. If you think SUSE or Debian is any
> > better you haven't really done your homework.
> >
> > -Andrew
> >
> >
> > You Wrote:
> >
> > Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:35:27 -0400
> > From: Matthew Moen <mattlists@younicks.org>
> > To: slug@nks.net
> > Subject: Re: [SLUG] School Project - Not a Troll...consider Debian
> >
> > Thus spake R P Herrold on the 16 day of the 06 month in the year 2002:
> >
> > ***Many lines Snipped***
> >
> > > appears to show him a SuSE dealer in the sidebar of each page:
> > >
> > > http://www.crbtechnologies.com/Business_Partner_Logo.gif
> > >
> > >
>
> > > I vote for 'troll' ...
> > >
> > > -- Russ Herrold
> >
> > I have met Mr. David Meyer at a meeting a month or two ago. I can
> > assure you that he really exists, and is not a troll.
> >
> >
> > On a sort of related topic to this thread, should you want to completely
> > eliminate all of this licensing nonsense, consider Debian. It's
> > free...really. There will be no corporate office annoying you. You
> > don't need to license it. (You shouldn't need to license the downloaded
> > version of Redhat, but that's another story.) Heck...it's trivial to
> > install it over the internet w/o having to download ISO's.
> > (Ok...the installer may not be as trivial as some others out there,
> > but from what I understand, Dave should only need to install once, and
> > dd the "master" disk onto other disks after that)
> >
> > If that guy from Redhat really suggested that "Debian" could go
> > bankrupt...he's got to be kidding. Debian isn't going anywhere anytime
> > soon. The Debian project is produced by a horde of part-time volunteers.
> > The only physical things they need to exist are a few racks of co-lo
> > space somewhere for their master servers, a bunch of mirrors, and
> > volunteers from around the world. Finding large companies and educational
> > institutions to donate co-lo space and mirroring isn't all that difficult.
> >
> > The only complaint I hear of Debian is that their releases take too long
> > to occur. Yes...2+ years between releases is a long time. However,
> > Debian's pre-release state (called Frozen) is more stable than
> > what commercial manufacturers tend to ship.
> >
> > Additionally, playing with apt-get is enough to make anyone who's ever
> > been in RPM hell to never want to go back. For example, on one of my
> > servers which has a minimal install, should I want to install, say Gnucash
> > (/Lots/ of dependencies) I type the following:
> >
> > apt-get install gnucash
> >
> > Which produces the following output:
> >
> > Reading Package Lists... Done
> > Building Dependency Tree... Done
> > The following extra packages will be installed:
> > guile-common guile1.4 guile1.4-slib libdate-manip-perl
> > libdigest-md5-perl
> > libfinance-quote-perl libghttp1 libguile9 libguppi16 libgwrapguile1
> > libhtml-parser-perl libhtml-tableextract-perl libhtml-tagset-perl
> > libhtml-tree-perl libltdl3 libmime-base64-perl libnet-perl liburi-perl
> > libwww-perl slib
> > The following NEW packages will be installed:
> > gnucash guile-common guile1.4 guile1.4-slib
> > libdate-manip-perl
> > libdigest-md5-perl libfinance-quote-perl libghttp1
> > libguile9 libguppi16
> > libgwrapguile1 libhtml-parser-perl libhtml-tableextract-perl
> > libhtml-tagset-perl libhtml-tree-perl libltdl3 libmime-base64-perl
> > libnet-perl liburi-perl libwww-perl slib
> > 0 packages upgraded, 21 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> > Need to get 8612kB of archives. After unpacking 26.8MB will be used.
> > Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
> >
> > If I answered "Y", apt-get would download all the above packages,
> > install and configure them in the right order, and restart any daemons
> > or whatnot that might need to be fixed as a result of the upgrade.
> > Folks I know who run ISP's do upgrades with apt-get while people are
> > logged in and have never had problems over the past 5 or so years.
> >
> > An upgrade looks like this:
> >
> > scarecrow:~# apt-get upgrade
> > Reading Package Lists... Done
> > Building Dependency Tree... Done
> > 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> >
> > Which means the mirror contains nothing that's newer than what my
> > machine has installed.
> >
> > RPM, but contrast, has no easy means of working around dependencies,
> > nor does it have all the needed sorts of dependencies which the .deb
> > format contains. Have you ever done an "rpm -i foopackage.rpm" only to
> > have RPM tell you that "foopackage depends on packages bar and baz"...
> > and then baz depends on packages oob rab and a newer version of zab...etc,
> > etc. Things get really interesting when package "really important"
> > conflicts with the upgraded version of zab. Debian's apt-get and .deb
> > files sort these ugly situations out in a clean fashion.
> >
> > Debian may not be the best choice for Dave Meyers's school, as there
> > are a few distributions out there which specifically cater to grade
> > schools, but for many other folks it's certainly something to consider.
> >
> > Should people be interested, I could probably be persuaded to do some
> > sort of Debian presentation at the Tampa LUG.
>
> --
>
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