I may be mistaken, but my understanding was that the
Itanium was not really x86. It is RISC that has a
hardware instruction emulator for x86, which was
proven at one time to be much slower than a similar
speed Pentium.
Andy
--- Ken Elliott <kelliott4@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >>Has anyone noticed no mention of AMD or is it just
> me?
>
> I just finished watching the keynote speech for the
> Developers conference.
>
> - OS/X has been compiled for Power PC and Intel for
> last 5 years.
> - X Code 2.1 can produce universal binary that can
> run on both processors.
> - Rosetta converts PowerPC binaries on the fly. In
> other words, the Intel
> system can run current software right now.
> - Demo'd on Pentium 4 3.5GHz. Photos on the
> presentation were of a Pentium
> 4. Clearly x86.
> - Selling development unit for $999. Shipping in
> two weeks. Have to give
> it back in a year. No mention of a refund or
> replacement.
>
> Clearly, they have expected this and planned for it
> all along. No mention
> of AMD or which Intel processor they expect to run
> on. However, since they
> have been running on Intel for the last 5 years,
> there's not anything in
> OS/X that requires a 64-bit CPU. I expect you'll
> see Pentium-M laptops
> (perhaps the real focus) and Itaniumn workstations
> and servers.
>
> Jobs said: "The sole of a Mac is it's operating
> system"
>
> I take this to mean "don't worry about what's in the
> box"
>
> Today, it's Intel. But in two years, you might see
> both Intel and AMD
> processors. Apple is not stupid and surely realizes
> that they can use AMD
> to keep Intel in line. I expect they will approach
> Intel and say they need
> a true 64-bit processor, and if Intel can't give
> them an affordable Itanium,
> they will have to go with the AMD-64.
>
> Ken Elliott
>
> =====================
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf
> Of James Haydon
> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 12:30 PM
> To: slug@nks.net
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Apple shifts to Intel
>
>
> On Friday, June 10, 2005, at 06:09 PM, Ken Elliott
> wrote:
>
> >>> If I was in the market for a Mac, I'd still get
> a G4/G5. I would
> >>> probably
> > get one from the Apple outlet after the x86
> versions came out, to save
> > a buck and get a more stable system.
> >
> > I doubt it will be "more" stable.
> >
> > The graphics board, hard disc drive, keyboard,
> mouse, power supply,
> > DVD drive, RAM and PCI bus are already the same as
> a PC. So the
> > difference is down to the CPU and motherboard
> chips. There's plenty
> > of evidence that Intel's chipsets are at least as
> stable as the
> > PowerPC stuff. Most stability issues are driver
> problems, or use of
> > non-certified hardware.
> > There's plenty of rock-solid Intel-based servers
> out there running
> > various forms of Unix/BSD/Linux.
> >
> > I have no doubt that Apple will restrict their OS
> to the products they
> > supply, and that will allow them to be as stable
> as current hardware.
> > Would
> > you really want a PowerPC, knowing that
> development will stop on that
> > platform?
> >
> > Ken Elliott
> >
> > =====================
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf
> Of Andrew Barber
> > Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:44 PM
> > To: slug@nks.net
> > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Apple shifts to Intel
> >
> >
> > The biggest problem I see with this shift will be
> the expectations
> > that OS X will work on generic/other PCs.
> > The stability of Mac OS has relied on the lack of
> available,
> > "uncontrolled"
> > hardware. x86 PCs OTOH can vary widely in
> chipsets and expansion
> > capability. One only has to look at the Linux
> kernel configuration to
> > see how many different drivers are available for
> the different
> > hardware for just the typical desktop PC.
> > This doesn't include servers and server expansion
> boards (SCSI, etc.).
> >
> > And there is this interesting fact about the G4.
> > From
> >
>
http://it.asia1.com.sg/newsdaily/news002_20040119.html
> > Based on the wickedly speedy next-generation
> > processor, the G4 was so powerful that the US
> > government classified the supercomputer as a
> > weapon, restricting its export to 'sensitive'
> > countries which could use it to theoretically
> > design nuclear weapons.
> >
> > I don't recall any single x86 CPU being rated like
> this.
> >
> > If I was in the market for a Mac, I'd still get a
> G4/G5. I would
> > probably get one from the Apple outlet after the
> x86 versions came
> > out, to save a buck and get a more stable system.
> >
> > Though, how much bloat does having binaries
> supporting both
> > architectures incur?
> >
> > Apple's just happy that can get away with having
> another dual-CPU
> > server with one socket;) For those unaware,
> dual-G4's are available as
> > a single-socket unit. Not technically dual-core,
> though, as there are
> > 2 separate CPUs on the "chip".
> >
> > Andrew Barber
> >
>
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> Has anyone noticed no mention of AMD or is it just
> me?
>
> James
>
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