SOTL wrote:
>> LT is an abbreviation for light as in not heavy.
Nope. LT does not stand for anything. LT was meant to be a "limited"
version, and was never referred to as light by insiders. I know several of
the Autodesk founders and programmers. I'm also an AutoCAD Certified
Expert. I assure you my information is quite accurate.
>> The AutoCAD Light drawings we get are in DWG format.
>> The AutoCAD drawings we get are in DFX.
No such "DFX" file format exists.
Both AutoCAD and AutoCAD LT create DWG and DXF files. DWG is the native
format. DXF is a less capable format for geometry transfer to 3rd party
products. The files produced by either are _exactly_ the same.
>> But your whole response completely misses the point.
I guess I was being too subtle. Here's the blunt version: My point is you
are inaccurate about several CAD issues, related to your profession. So
when you post a bit of a rant against Linux on a Linux list, but don't even
know the file format you claim to use, you come across as someone who
doesn't pay attention to details, or is not too bright. I didn't really
want to bluntly point that out, but when you continue to get the facts wrong
and claim that I'm in error, I have to call BS.
>> QCAD which comes with Fedora, OpenSuSE, Sabasian, and Scientific Linux
only uses DFX format.
Yes, because DXF is documented by Autodesk, while DWG is considered to be a
trade secret. The QCAD developers chose to use a documented file format,
rather than try to reverse engineer a format that changes with nearly every
release. The current version of DWG is encrypted, so there are DMCA issues.
What was this thread about? Oh yeah....
(Sorry if this is a bit harsh. I've had surgery on my hand today and I'm in
a bit of pain.)
Ken Elliott
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-----Original Message-----
From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of SOTL
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 1:37 PM
To: slug@nks.net
Subject: Re: [SLUG] IBM
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 18:30, Ken Elliott wrote:
> >> First drawings which I work with daily are in AutoCAD Light format
> >> of
>
> DWG.
> AutoCad uses DFX format.
>
>
> FYI
>
> There is no such product as "AutoCAD Light".
LT is an abbreviation for light as in not heavy.
> I'm sure you mean AutoCAD LT.
The AutoCAD Light drawings we get are in DWG format.
> It uses the _exact_ same format as AutoCAD,
The AutoCAD drawings we get are in DFX.
But your whole response completely misses the point.
QCAD which comes with Fedora, OpenSuSE, Sabasian, and Scientific Linux only
uses DFX format.
But your whole response completely misses the point.
And since I have no desires to regirguate the issue please go back and re
read all THREE postings.
SOTL
> and it is DWG (an undocumented
> binary file). There is a Drawing eXchange Format (DXF) which is
> documented. That is why many applications use it. The other option
> for a developer is to use the OpenDWG toolkit, which costs money.
> Programs like Rhino, SolidWorks, SolidEdge, Microstation and ProE use
OpenDWG.
>
> Bentley Systems offered Microstation 95 for Linux. I guess they
> didn't sell enough to pay for the porting. AutoCAD used to be offered
> on Unix (SGI, Solaris, AIX and HP-UX) as well as the Mac. As WinNT
> took off, sales of the Unix version dropped off and Autodesk discontinued
it.
>
> I know Rhino is being ported to the Mac and hope it gets ported to
> Linux next.
>
> As far is Linux being ready for the desktop, it is. But not for ALL
> desktops. If you have a bunch of CAD guys and Publishing guys, it
> might not make sense to bother supporting another OS. Publishing
> shops tend to run Macs and CAD guys run XP. Linux is ready for the
> generic business desktop, but not for those who need specialized software.
>
> Ken Elliott
>
> =====================
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of SOTL
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:57 AM
> To: slug@nks.net
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] IBM
>
> On Sunday 23 September 2007 12:33, Robin - Bartow FL wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: SOTL sotl155360@bellsouth.net
> > To: slug@nks.net
> > Sent: 9/22/07 7:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SLUG] IBM
> >
> > > On Saturday 22 September 2007 08:01, Robin - Bartow FL wrote:
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: xcalibre xcalibre@mindspring.com
> > > > To: slug@nks.net slug@nks.net
> > > > Sent: 9/19/07 5:45 PM
> > > > Subject: [SLUG] IBM
> > > >
> > > > > Well IBM has just released an Office Suite FREE to all
> > > > > supporting Linux and Windoze... The Lotus Symphony Office
> > > > > Suite... How ever the requirements are absolutely Nutz...
> > > > >
> > > > > * Supported Windows platforms: Windows XP, Windows Vista
> > > > > * Supported Linux platforms: SLED 10, RHEL 5, Redhat5
> > > > > * 900MB disk space minimum
> > > > > * 1GB RAM memory minimum
> > > > > * US English locale
> > > > >
> > > > > The think is many people still don't even run 512 megs of ram...
> > > > > To say 1 GIG Minimum is beyond belief...
> > > > >
> > > > > They should simply release Lotus Smart Suite and let that
> > > > > develop as it's been around and it's not that hard on
> > > > > resources as
>
> this...
>
> > > > > Hopefully everyone will stop worrying about fancy looking GUI
> > > > > and just make the application work and keep it simple!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Guess we will have to wait and see how this develops...
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Preece...
> > > > >
> > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >--
> > > > >----
> > > > >--
> > > >
> > > > "Beauty is in the eye of the the beholder"
> > > >
> > > > As long as "a picture is worth a thousand words" a gui will win
> > > > every popularity contest.
> > > >
> > > > I think by far the largest impedance to the acceptance of Open
> > > > Source Software is terminology. Next time you order a hamburger,
> > > > do it in a foreign language and watch the clerks reaction.
> > > > Windoze terms are user friendly. OSS terminology is not. With
> > > > all the fear of invasion of privacy and malicious code, what
> > > > potential Windoze convert would want something called "Open
> > > > Source Software"? The OSS community needs a reality check and a
> > > > name change. Then start
>
> renaming applications.
>
> > > > But alas, the trees continue to block the view of the forest.
> > > >
> > > > The average computer user's idea of "simplicity" has nothing to
> > > > do with hardware requirements.
> > > >
> > > > /robin
> > >
> > > Having just tried to reaf a QCADD file I believe that the most
> > > important thing is for the damn programs to work.
> > >
> > > Do not get me wrong the program does work but you do have to set
> > > here and fiddle with the settings inorder to do anything.
> > >
> > > I recall much the same issue with Qt trying to make it work. After
> > > 3 months of fiddle fudling mot having a clue where to start I
> > > finally got it to work by a very simple copy and pastr of a
configuration file.
> > >
> > > I have an idea that the issue with QCAD may be as simple with an
> > > equal 2 to 3 months to figure it out. As far as the included Help
> > > manual. What a joke.
> > >
> > > SOYL
> >
> > Collaboration is frequently the path of least resistance.
> > Especially when the answer could be a simple oversight.
> >
> > If are having a problem with QCAD,
>
> Don't know. Yes. Maybe.
>
> First drawings which I work with daily are in AutoCAD Light format of DWG.
> AutoCad uses DFX format.
> QCAD will not read DWG format, only DFX.
> Got senior CAD person to transfer DWG formated drawings to DFX.
> QCAD will open drawings but when work drawing is opened X reference
> drawing is not opened.
> For those of you out of the loop AutoCAD has a drawing called X
> reference on which one puts the basic building blocks of the drawing
> which do not change in this case the building roon and floor plans.
> When one then designs the lighting, power, mechanical et that is done
> in another drawing called the working drawing. The X reference is
> shown in the working drawing as the X0 layer. Both the X reference and
> the working drawing have over 60 layers each.
> So, what is known is that something is niot working. Is that the
> drawing that was transfered or QCAD?
>
> First order of resolution is to get a very simple drawing with an X
> reference that contains only 1 layer and a working drawing with only
> one layer. A bos for X refernce and an X for the working drawing will
> be no\ice. Next is to transfer this from AutoCAD Light to AutoCAD
> format and then check the drawing with AutoCad. Since I did not do the
> original transformation and I do not have AutoCAD but AutoCAD Light
> that was impossible. If I can accomplish this and that is a big IF due
> to corporate political considerations and access to computer which I
> do not have. If that works then I will attempt to re do read function
> of drawing in QCAD on my own home computer system.
>
> The real solution to the problem is for QCAD to read and write AutoCAD
> Light DWG format. That of course is out of my league.
>
> > 1. Did you search the Help manual and QCAD WWW forums?
>
> No I do not know what the basic problem is. Is it my files? Is it QCAD?
>
> > 2. Have you posted it where other QCAD users are likely to see it?
>
> The issues with AutoCAD and QCAD are well known in the CAD world with
> most people adopting the psychology of who cares because even as
> crappie as AutoCAD Light is it is still superior to QCAD which to
> these people implies that Linux is not ready for prime time. Hear it
> daily. Known as the office Linux nut case since as one of the senior
> people described it "We make our living in CAD and QCAD and Linux just do
not cut it."
>
> Since users thinks in terms of applications then if one looks on the
> latter as an expression of frustration with an application program it
> all makes sense.
>
> IF one looks as this as an expression of Linux then it of course makes
> no since.
>
> For most business applications XP is horrible. Vista is completely trash.
> Mac
> OS is not in the game. And, Linux is so far out of the game that it is
> a bad
>
> joke.
>
> Networking and internet is another story and this comes from the fact
> the the Linux developers are more network oriented than desktop
> oriented. In order to do group development you need a network. While
> this does not prevent desktop
>
> development it has meant that the desktop applications are lagging the
> network applications. Besides there is no glory is desktop
> applications compared to bragging on the network about the nifty thing
> you have developed.
>
> It not the language being used. It is just what I said 5 years ago on
> this list and in meetings. It is the applications that are not compatible.
>
>
> So when people start talking about compatibility the always start with
> a comparison of OpenOffice and Microsoft Office.
>
> That exist so what? At best that puts Linux in the category of a MAC
> as far as applications.
>
> Now how about my stock calculation program - Windows only.
> or
> Finance programs - something like Timberline.
> and a hundred others. Windows only.
>
> That is the problem!
>
> > Symphony is currently supported only on the proprietary platforms
> > noted in Bill's first post above and
>
> http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/product_faqs_normand
> y.jsp
>
> >a#4
> >
> > /robin
>
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