From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 8 19:13:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02232 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 19:13:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02229 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 19:13:07 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA12246 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 19:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14mNRG-0002Wr-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 08 Apr 2001 18:13:42 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 18:13:42 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: slug Test Message Message-ID: <20010408181342.H9421@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net It's just a test. Don't get excited. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 8 22:44:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03632 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 22:44:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03629; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 22:44:07 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA13051; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 22:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14mQjU-0002eI-00; Sun, 08 Apr 2001 21:44:44 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 21:44:44 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug-announce@nks.net Cc: slug@nks.net Subject: slug New List Host Message-ID: <20010408214444.J9421@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net SLUGs: (You may get two copies of this message. Don't be upset. I sent it to both the announce and main slug list to ensure everyone gets it.) As a result of the recent outage on the SLUG list host, I received offers from quite a few people to host the SLUG lists. I've been reluctant to move the lists for years, because my requirements were fairly stringent for a list host. Briefly, I wanted a local company that ran Linux and had the experience, resources and willingness to handle the lists without difficulty (and for free ;-). One of the offers came from a local company called Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). They are a group of engineers who specialize in Open Source solutions, and are assisting us with the upcoming CTS show in May. Some of their members have recently been active on the list, giving good advice. In addition, they have a good working relationship with PriceWaterhouseCoopers, where we hold our Tampa meetings. After observing how they work and asking them numerous questions, I believe they are a good fit. So I've moved the lists over to NKS. Actually, at this point there are _two_ of each list, one still operating at Owl River Company, and the new lists at Networked Knowledge Systems. For a limited time, the Owl River Company lists will still operate as a backup. But please change any references you have from owlriver.com over to nks.net and post only to the new lists. The links on the SLUG website have already been changed. Our website (http://www.suncoastlug.org) is still at Owl River Company and will remain there for the time being. Russ Herrold and Owl River Company (http://www.owlriver.com) are warmly thanked for all the assistance and for ably hosting our lists for the last several years. Russ is subscribed to the new lists and will hopefully continue to provide excellent assistance. If you're interested in learning more about NKS, see their website at: http://www.nks.net Also, my thanks to the others who volunteered to host our lists. Your offers are appreciated, and I've filed the information away should we need it in the future. Hopefully, the list switchover should go without a hitch. If not, let me know. And don't forget to change over any list-related email addresses you have on file over to nks.net. As usual, comments are welcome. Paul M. Foster President Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 01:23:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04165 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 01:23:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04162 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 01:23:18 -0400 Received: from smtppop1pub.verizon.net (smtppop1pub.gte.net [206.46.170.20]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA13712 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 01:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Verizion.gte.net (1Cust193.tnt2.new-port-richey.fl.da.uu.net [63.24.243.193]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id AAA85718467 Mon, 9 Apr 2001 00:00:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010409010229.021146e0@mail.gte.net> X-Sender: GTE/vzn05pmh@mail.gte.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 01:04:44 -0400 To: slug@nks.net From: "Maureen L. Thomas" Subject: slug Cable connectors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a little off the subject but does anyone know where I can get an audio connector for my cd-rom. The existing one is too short for the new motherboard. I would also like to find some extensions for the lights and switches in the front of my box, they reach the connections but they are pretty tight. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Maureen From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 02:46:24 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04432 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 02:46:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04429 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 02:46:24 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id CAA14172 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 02:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653284hfc40.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.84.40]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f396kNS10547 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 02:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD15AB2.7030103@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 02:46:10 -0400 From: Tim Spalding User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19-2mdk i686; en-US; 0.8.1) Gecko/20010328 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: slug Re: [SLUG] Flight Sims & Spanish Linux (Was Wine) References: <3AD0B47D.82FF7EF1@yahoo.com> <3AD0B5CA.71A0E752@mpinet.net> <3AD13F01.9C942B23@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Anyone know any GOOD flight sims for Linux that are relatively easy to > use (i.e. Joystick)? I tried Sabre, but it's a real bear to learn the > controls. I didn't know about Sabre, but have you checked out Flight Gear? It's open source, with free map data available from the web site (http://www.flightgear.org). And if you're running Mandrake, you might check out the contrib directory on one of their mirrors for RPMs. The two you're looking for are flightgear and simgear. Hope this helps. I'm curious to hear how well it works. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 13:04:21 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07789 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:04:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07775 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:04:21 -0400 Received: from mpinet.net (pop.mpinet.net [216.53.130.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA16950 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net (216-53-218-150.ppp.mpinet.net [216.53.218.150]) by mpinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17975 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD1E026.E3C1D03E@mpinet.net> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 12:15:34 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] C# decompiler coded Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The language of ms's .NET, C#, evidently now has decompiler available: http://thebusiness.vnunet.com/News/1120202 Malicious hackers will be able to wreak havoc with this tool. And it couldn't happen to a bunch of nicer guys! Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 13:14:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08444 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:14:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08441 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:14:17 -0400 Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id NAA17236 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cofa128-207.arts.usf.edu (HELO yahoo.com) (131.247.128.207) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2001 15:27:35 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD1D4AC.28530699@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:26:36 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yet another idea for a name ;) *L* I have the studio time, I have the knowledge, I have the desire... Whose up for a jam Session? I think that I'll have access to the studio during the summer months but no guarantees. However, the next few weeks look quite good... By the way, the studio only fits about 6 people with instruments, not cunting the sound room (2-3 at most, but they better be sound engineers). There's also a piano in there (not greatly intune, but enough for a few Jazz lix... P.S. Does anyone know where I can get information on Midi and Linux? I have a problem listening to .midi & .mid files. The system keeps telling me that "I don;t have a midy device", but I though that since it was just a file format a sound card would handle it. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 13:21:14 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08528 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:21:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08525 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:21:13 -0400 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id NAA17304 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cofa128-207.arts.usf.edu (HELO yahoo.com) (131.247.128.207) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2001 15:34:31 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD1D64B.3E45BA22@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:33:31 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Re: slug Cable connectors References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010409010229.021146e0@mail.gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net "Maureen L. Thomas" wrote: > > This is a little off the subject but does anyone know where I can get an > audio connector for my cd-rom. The existing one is too short for the new > motherboard. I would also like to find some extensions for the lights and > switches in the front of my box, they reach the connections but they are > pretty tight. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, > Maureen Well, you should be able to get the connectors in a run-of-the-mill computer shop, like Computer Advantage out in Brandon (though they're a Mac store) or Computer Rennaissance (sp?!) out in North Dale M. or (accross the street from that) Microstar Computers, which sells mostly old computer parts. They should have a few cables they could sell or maybe even trade. That goes for both the CD and the case lights, though I'm iffy on the case lights: can those be changed? extended? Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 13:36:25 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08631 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:36:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08628 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:36:24 -0400 Received: from mail01.san.yahoo.com (mail01.san.yahoo.com [209.132.1.35]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA17385 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (65.32.44.26) by mail01.san.yahoo.com (5.1.062) id 3ACA395D00683EDF for slug@nks.net; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:29:37 -0700 From: Tina Gasperson Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:40:46 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: slug@nks.net References: <3AD1E026.E3C1D03E@mpinet.net> In-Reply-To: <3AD1E026.E3C1D03E@mpinet.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] C# decompiler coded MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01040913404605.01684@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net So, how common would be it be for someone to gain access to a network using .Net tools? I'm trying to get a feel for how widespread a problem this might be. Judging by the almost non-reaction this story has had since it's original publication on Friday, I'm thinking it's not considered much of a risk. Am I wrong? -tina On Monday 09 April 2001 12:15, you wrote: > The language of ms's .NET, C#, evidently now has decompiler available: > http://thebusiness.vnunet.com/News/1120202 > Malicious hackers will be able to wreak havoc with this tool. > And it couldn't happen to a bunch of nicer guys! > Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 13:56:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08931 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:56:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08928 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:56:46 -0400 Received: from web3606.mail.yahoo.com (web3606.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.110]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id OAA17573 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010409175636.2310.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.110.67] by web3606.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:56:36 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:56:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3AD1D4AC.28530699@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well Norb, I am ALLL over that.. count in one bass player.. just pick an evening.. and I'll be there ! , BTW, are we going in the Jazz/blues vein ? Real Book tunes etc, etc. ? Frozen Phoenix ???? Icy Tux ??? I am afraid I dont get the Phoneix part of that..:( Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 14:08:34 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09129 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:08:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09126 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:08:34 -0400 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id OAA17690 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bpreece (user-33qts4o.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.240.152]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08876 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000601c0c120$281bd200$fa51090a@bpreece> From: "Bill Preece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: slug Cable connectors Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:09:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You can get audio cables from Comp Usa , Most Local Computer Stores , BEST Buys , Computer Advantage will not have them because the Audio cables for a MAC are a bit different. As far as case wire extenders for the reset , turbo , and led the Computer Shows at the Fair grounds would be a suggestion. Other Wise you would just have to either deal with it being tight or get a new case most likely a new case. -----Original Message----- From: Norbert Cartagena To: slug@nks.net Date: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:21 PM Subject: [SLUG] Re: slug Cable connectors >"Maureen L. Thomas" wrote: >> >> This is a little off the subject but does anyone know where I can get an >> audio connector for my cd-rom. The existing one is too short for the new >> motherboard. I would also like to find some extensions for the lights and >> switches in the front of my box, they reach the connections but they are >> pretty tight. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, >> Maureen > > >Well, you should be able to get the connectors in a run-of-the-mill >computer shop, like Computer Advantage out in Brandon (though they're a >Mac store) or Computer Rennaissance (sp?!) out in North Dale M. or >(accross the street from that) Microstar Computers, which sells mostly >old computer parts. They should have a few cables they could sell or >maybe even trade. That goes for both the CD and the case lights, though >I'm iffy on the case lights: can those be changed? extended? > >Norb > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 14:12:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09154 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:12:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09151 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:12:04 -0400 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id OAA17703 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bpreece (user-33qts4o.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.240.152]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA19139 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002e01c0c120$a56d6ca0$fa51090a@bpreece> From: "Bill Preece" To: Subject: [SLUG] Cable Connectors Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:12:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You can get audio cables from Comp Usa , Most Local Computer Stores , BEST Buys , Computer Advantage will not have them because the Audio cables for a MAC are a bit different. As far as case wire extenders for the reset , turbo , and led the Computer Shows at the Fair grounds would be a suggestion. Other Wise you would just have to either deal with it being tight or get a new case most likely a new case. Bill Preece -----Original Message----- From: Norbert Cartagena To: slug@nks.net Date: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:21 PM Subject: [SLUG] Re: slug Cable connectors >"Maureen L. Thomas" wrote: >> >> This is a little off the subject but does anyone know where I can get an >> audio connector for my cd-rom. The existing one is too short for the new >> motherboard. I would also like to find some extensions for the lights and >> switches in the front of my box, they reach the connections but they are >> pretty tight. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, >> Maureen > > >Well, you should be able to get the connectors in a run-of-the-mill >computer shop, like Computer Advantage out in Brandon (though they're a >Mac store) or Computer Rennaissance (sp?!) out in North Dale M. or >(accross the street from that) Microstar Computers, which sells mostly >old computer parts. They should have a few cables they could sell or >maybe even trade. That goes for both the CD and the case lights, though >I'm iffy on the case lights: can those be changed? extended? > >Norb > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 15:13:53 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09849 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:13:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09846 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:13:53 -0400 Received: from mpinet.net (pop.mpinet.net [216.53.130.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id PAA18219 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net (216-53-218-167.ppp.mpinet.net [216.53.218.167]) by mpinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06127 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD208E6.A8E19547@mpinet.net> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:09:26 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] C# decompiler coded References: <3AD1E026.E3C1D03E@mpinet.net> <01040913404605.01684@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tina Gasperson wrote: > > So, how common would be it be for someone to gain access to a network using > .Net tools? I'm trying to get a feel for how widespread a problem this might > be. Judging by the almost non-reaction this story has had since it's original > publication on Friday, I'm thinking it's not considered much of a risk. Am I > wrong? > > -tina > > On Monday 09 April 2001 12:15, you wrote: > > The language of ms's .NET, C#, evidently now has decompiler available: > > http://thebusiness.vnunet.com/News/1120202 > > Malicious hackers will be able to wreak havoc with this tool. > > And it couldn't happen to a bunch of nicer guys! > > Smitty The PR mavens at m$ don't want this to spread around, so naturally they are doing what is called in the PR trade, a anti-narrative. They don't want their customers to become alarmed or spread the word to more crackers. God forbid, that their customer base ditches them for Linux! Regards, Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 15:28:54 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10015 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:28:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10012 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:28:54 -0400 Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id PAA18340 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bpreece (user-33qts6k.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.240.212]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06069 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000b01c0c12b$5eafade0$fa51090a@bpreece> From: "Bill Preece" To: Subject: [SLUG] All Show Volunteers Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:29:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This week at the Tampa Meeting we need to get together and finish hashing out the final details as the time is now getting near to the CTS Show Time. If anyone will not be able to attend please e-mail me so we can fill in the details. Thanks Bill Preece From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 15:30:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10045 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:30:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10042 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:30:09 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id PAA18354 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653280hfc91.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.80.91]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f39JU7C01888 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD20EC3.E077715B@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:34:27 -0400 From: Robert Haeckl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] running windows on top of Linux References: <200104091418.AA80937394@keepandbeararms.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I use Win4Lin now and am very pleased with it. Easy install; windoze works like any other "application"; accessing hardware and printers works fine. I've installed ms office 95 and it seems to work as usual. I've heard that programs that rely on active X aren't so reliable, but I don't know. In fact, win4lin works so well that my last computer dedicated to windoze is being turned into a Debian box today. Robert Haeckl tom ufer wrote: > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "mike rock" > Reply-To: slug@owlriver.com > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:52:03 -0400 > > > > I use VMWare on my ThinkPad so my answers are based on that app: > > >1. Do I create a separate windows partition? > You don't have to if you don't want to dual boot. > > >2. can I run something like wine and install my thin client app on that? > Yes, you can install VMWare in Linux and then reinstall Windows as a virtual machine. > > > > > Is there a better program than wine ( I haven't even seen wine as yet, so > >there are no built in bias. > Win4Lin or VMWare. You need to purchase these, but I think they work much better. > > > > ================================================== From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 15:39:56 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10108 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:39:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10105 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:39:56 -0400 Received: from mail01.san.yahoo.com (mail01.san.yahoo.com [209.132.1.35]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id PAA18399 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (65.32.44.26) by mail01.san.yahoo.com (5.1.062) id 3ACA395D00695768 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:33:10 -0700 From: Tina Gasperson Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:44:17 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: slug@nks.net References: <3AD1E026.E3C1D03E@mpinet.net> <01040913404605.01684@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD208E6.A8E19547@mpinet.net> In-Reply-To: <3AD208E6.A8E19547@mpinet.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] C# decompiler coded MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01040915441700.00855@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yes, but don't you think it is odd that no one on the other side (our side) has made much of it either? If it was a big deal or potentially damaging to MS, Slashdot and Linuxtoday would be all over it - right? -t On Monday 09 April 2001 15:09, you wrote: > Tina Gasperson wrote: > > So, how common would be it be for someone to gain access to a network > > using .Net tools? > > -tina > > > > On Monday 09 April 2001 12:15, you wrote: > > > The language of ms's .NET, C#, evidently now has decompiler available: > > > http://thebusiness.vnunet.com/News/1120202 > > > Malicious hackers will be able to wreak havoc with this tool. > > > And it couldn't happen to a bunch of nicer guys! > > > Smitty > > The PR mavens at m$ don't want this to spread around, so naturally they > are doing what is called in the PR trade, a anti-narrative. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 16:20:39 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10498 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:20:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10495 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:20:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD21997.7BA578DC@illusionary.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 16:20:39 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] C# decompiler coded References: <3AD1E026.E3C1D03E@mpinet.net> <01040913404605.01684@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD208E6.A8E19547@mpinet.net> <01040915441700.00855@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tina Gasperson wrote: > > Yes, but don't you think it is odd that no one on the other side (our side) > has made much of it either? If it was a big deal or potentially damaging to > MS, Slashdot and Linuxtoday would be all over it - right? It's probably about as "dangerous" as any of the Java decompilers that were floating around for a while. At least in terms of being able to do nasty evil things with the source code that's been "recovered." It's kind of interesting to see java bytecodes re-translated back into Java, but in the end, not entirely useful. (Unless stupid people do stupid things like hardcode passwords into the code that gets sent out. That's happened more than once, but finding things like that don't always require source code. (Although often makes things pop up that have been hiding for years, ref: the Interbase 'back door'.)) The bigger deal, as I see it, would be the potential loss of "Proprietary Intellectual Property" coming from a C#/.Net/whatever the name of the .Net bytecode stuff is called decompiler to companies that have bought into the .Net hoopla. Companies will claim that a bytecode decompiler is illegal as it violates their copyright, is theft of IP, etc, etc. Unfortunately, THAT is the bigger threat, and it's the threat to the free/open software community that people should be paying attention to It's why Microsoft has been a big supporter of thingslike UCITA and DMCA. If decompilation/reverse-engineering is made illegal, punishable by ridiculous fines and possibly jail sentences, it marks the end of true cross-platform compatibility. Nobody would ever have figured out how to talk to Microsoft's incompatible Kerberos "extensions", Samba never would have been created, nobody would ever have hope of writing Word or Excel document translators. Etc, ad infinitum. Which is exactly where Microsoft wants things. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft might as well have written and released that decompiler, merely so they can be assured that a lawsuit involving someone "reverse engineering copyrighted intellectual property" will come about so much sooner so that they can pour millions and billions of dollars of marketing funds into to make sure that THEY win and win the right to prevent people from "reverse engineering", which of course would deny US the right to try to make software that works with theirs and leaves them with an even bigger monopoly and us with fewer resources to work around it. Call me a cynic ("you're a cynic!") but there is very little I would put past Microsoft when it comes to them maintaining a stranglehold on their market. If it looks like there's the slight possibility that any sort of information about a product could be flowing in a direction that doesn't immediately seem to Microsoft's benefit, my bet is that they have an ulterior motive and that information is actually heading towards something even bigger for them. > On Monday 09 April 2001 15:09, you wrote: > > Tina Gasperson wrote: > > > So, how common would be it be for someone to gain access to a network > > > using .Net tools? > > > -tina > > > > > > On Monday 09 April 2001 12:15, you wrote: > > > > The language of ms's .NET, C#, evidently now has decompiler available: > > > > http://thebusiness.vnunet.com/News/1120202 > > > > Malicious hackers will be able to wreak havoc with this tool. > > > > And it couldn't happen to a bunch of nicer guys! > > > > Smitty > > > > The PR mavens at m$ don't want this to spread around, so naturally they > > are doing what is called in the PR trade, a anti-narrative. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 18:13:26 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11318 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:13:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11315 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:13:26 -0400 Received: from mpinet.net (pop.mpinet.net [216.53.130.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA19562 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net (216-53-218-127.ppp.mpinet.net [216.53.218.127]) by mpinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20936 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD232FB.D437B8AA@mpinet.net> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:08:59 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] C# decompiler coded References: <3AD1E026.E3C1D03E@mpinet.net> <01040913404605.01684@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD208E6.A8E19547@mpinet.net> <01040915441700.00855@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tina Gasperson wrote: > > Yes, but don't you think it is odd that no one on the other side (our side) > has made much of it either? If it was a big deal or potentially damaging to > MS, Slashdot and Linuxtoday would be all over it - right? > > -t > > On Monday 09 April 2001 15:09, you wrote: > > Tina Gasperson wrote: > > > So, how common would be it be for someone to gain access to a network > > > using .Net tools? > > > -tina > > > > > > On Monday 09 April 2001 12:15, you wrote: > > > > The language of ms's .NET, C#, evidently now has decompiler available: > > > > http://thebusiness.vnunet.com/News/1120202 > > > > Malicious hackers will be able to wreak havoc with this tool. > > > > And it couldn't happen to a bunch of nicer guys! > > > > Smitty > > > > The PR mavens at m$ don't want this to spread around, so naturally they > > are doing what is called in the PR trade, a anti-narrative. Perhaps, Newsforge should get all over it. Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 18:13:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11327 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:13:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11324 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:13:49 -0400 Received: from server1.safepages.com (server1.safepages.com [216.127.146.3]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA19575 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux (1Cust228.tnt7.clearwater.fl.da.uu.net [63.17.229.228]) by server1.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E43686126 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:13:35 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] All Show Volunteers Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:12:19 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <000b01c0c12b$5eafade0$fa51090a@bpreece> In-Reply-To: <000b01c0c12b$5eafade0$fa51090a@bpreece> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01040917121900.00256@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I dunno if I can make Tampa. They're a little early in the evening for me to get there; I work basically right up until the meeting starts. As for bringing in my machine to the show, I don't have a capture card so it'll be a little hard to avoid showing copyrighted materials. I've got a couple of strange made-by-somebody-else art mpegs and an avi of Linus and the IBM commercial, but even with that it still leaves me short on content. If anyone has anything interesting avi or mpeg wise I'd be grateful if they could supply a cd with maybe a half hour to an hour of content on it. I'll also have maybe a few open source, the heavy gear 2, and soldier of fortune demos from maximum linux installed that people can see that you *can* have linux and games, too. That's about all I have planned, if someone has any suggestions, I'm all ears. Glen On Monday 09 April 2001 15:29, you wrote: > This week at the Tampa Meeting we need to get together and finish hashing > out the > final details as the time is now getting near to the CTS Show Time. > > If anyone will not be able to attend please e-mail me so we can fill in the > details. > > Thanks > Bill Preece From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 18:14:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11336 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:14:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11333 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:14:01 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA19583 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f39ME0S25279 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD23475.266FEB6B@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:15:17 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" References: <3AD1D4AC.28530699@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I play sax and keyboards. Say when. Ed. Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > Yet another idea for a name ;) *L* > > I have the studio time, I have the knowledge, I have the desire... > > Whose up for a jam Session? I think that I'll have access to the studio > during the summer months but no guarantees. However, the next few weeks > look quite good... > By the way, the studio only fits about 6 people with instruments, not > cunting the sound room (2-3 at most, but they better be sound > engineers). There's also a piano in there (not greatly intune, but > enough for a few Jazz lix... > > P.S. > Does anyone know where I can get information on Midi and Linux? I have a > problem listening to .midi & .mid files. The system keeps telling me > that "I don;t have a midy device", but I though that since it was just a > file format a sound card would handle it. > > Norb > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 18:22:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11384 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:22:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11381 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:21:59 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA19621 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f39MLwS29298 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD23653.F1313911@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:23:15 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" References: <3AD1D4AC.28530699@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > Yet another idea for a name ;) *L* > How about "Cold Flipah" Ed. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 18:25:13 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11412 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:25:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11409 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:25:12 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA19648 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14mjAg-0002x0-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:26:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:26:02 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] C# decompiler coded Message-ID: <20010409172602.B11328@quillandmouse.com> References: <3AD1E026.E3C1D03E@mpinet.net> <01040913404605.01684@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD208E6.A8E19547@mpinet.net> <01040915441700.00855@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <01040915441700.00855@tampabay.rr.com>; from tina@gasperson.com on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 03:44:17PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 03:44:17PM -0400, Tina Gasperson wrote: > Yes, but don't you think it is odd that no one on the other side (our side) > has made much of it either? If it was a big deal or potentially damaging to > MS, Slashdot and Linuxtoday would be all over it - right? > > -t > I get the impression that in the open source world, .Net and C# are kinda ho-hum. I'm not sure anyone much cares. Besides, only a very few people would really be interested in a C# decompiler. On top of all that, Microsoft still hasn't laid all its card on the table with regard to their .Net stuff. I think a _lot_ of people are just waiting to see what finally happens. Paul > On Monday 09 April 2001 15:09, you wrote: > > Tina Gasperson wrote: > > > So, how common would be it be for someone to gain access to a network > > > using .Net tools? > > > -tina > > > > > > On Monday 09 April 2001 12:15, you wrote: > > > > The language of ms's .NET, C#, evidently now has decompiler available: > > > > http://thebusiness.vnunet.com/News/1120202 > > > > Malicious hackers will be able to wreak havoc with this tool. > > > > And it couldn't happen to a bunch of nicer guys! > > > > Smitty > > > > The PR mavens at m$ don't want this to spread around, so naturally they > > are doing what is called in the PR trade, a anti-narrative. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 18:38:30 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11483 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:38:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11480 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:38:30 -0400 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id SAA19720 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24288hfc36.tampabay.rr.com (HELO pc-00065.firewall.tampabay.rr.com) (24.28.8.36) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2001 22:38:28 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Subject: Re: [SLUG] All Show Volunteers From: Jeff Skube To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <01040917121900.00256@linux> References: <000b01c0c12b$5eafade0$fa51090a@bpreece> <01040917121900.00256@linux> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.01.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 09 Apr 2001 17:38:46 -0400 Message-Id: <986852327.2788.2.camel@linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Content wise I could help you out. I got DVD's and games ( Quake 3, UT, Tux Racer etc...) and things of the sort. If ya need anything just e-mail me off the list. Jeff On 09 Apr 2001 17:12:19 -0400, Glen Canaday wrote: > I dunno if I can make Tampa. They're a little early in the evening for me to > get there; I work basically right up until the meeting starts. > > As for bringing in my machine to the show, I don't have a capture card so > it'll be a little hard to avoid showing copyrighted materials. I've got a > couple of strange made-by-somebody-else art mpegs and an avi of Linus and the > IBM commercial, but even with that it still leaves me short on content. > > If anyone has anything interesting avi or mpeg wise I'd be grateful if they > could supply a cd with maybe a half hour to an hour of content on it. > > I'll also have maybe a few open source, the heavy gear 2, and soldier of > fortune demos from maximum linux installed that people can see that you *can* > have linux and games, too. That's about all I have planned, if someone has > any suggestions, I'm all ears. > > Glen > > On Monday 09 April 2001 15:29, you wrote: > > This week at the Tampa Meeting we need to get together and finish hashing > > out the > > final details as the time is now getting near to the CTS Show Time. > > > > If anyone will not be able to attend please e-mail me so we can fill in the > > details. > > > > Thanks > > Bill Preece _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 19:32:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11800 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:32:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11797; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:32:57 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA19985; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f39NWpS09493; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD246F0.1BE60C6A@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 19:34:08 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "[SLUG]" , "[SLUG]Slug Announce" CC: "[SLUG]linux-announce@news.ornl.gov" Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meeting Announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net WHEN AND WHERE: 11 April 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd Lakepointe I Building Tampa, FL 33607 See the SLUG website (www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) for directions. 19 April 19:00-21:00 Brandon II (third Thursday of each month) Computer Advantage Store 217 Brandon Town Center Drive Brandon, FL Across the street from Barnes & Noble, next to Target and Honey Baked Hams. See the SLUG website (www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) for directions. 28 April NOT HELD Dunedin 3 May 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL Take I-4 East to I-75 South. Go south on 75 to the second exit (Hwy 60, Exit 53). Head left (east) under the overpass, and make sure you're in the right lane. When you go to the entrance for Brandon Town Center, you'll see Barnes & Noble on your immediate right. ACTIVITIES: 1) Preparation, planning and announcements for CTS Show 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) FOLLOWING MEETINGS: 5 May 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) 9 May 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) 17 May 19:00-21:00 Brandon II (third Thursday of each month) From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 19:37:43 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11835 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:37:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11832 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:37:43 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA20016 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14mkIs-0002z3-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:38:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:38:34 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Trial Balloon - Polo Shirts Message-ID: <20010409183834.A11466@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net SLUGs: I'm just sending this to the SLUG list as a trial to check response before I put it before the announce list. We have Polo Shirts. (Well, we don't really have them yet. They're "vaporwear" until I get some orders.) Here are the details: Anvil brand shirts, 50% cotton/50% poly in Pique Knit 6.5 ounce, preshrunk, 3 button, no pocket, ribbed cuffs. Sizes S to 3XL Colors: white, heather grey, black, ivy, navy and red This isn't a top-of-the-line shirt, but it's quality. Not like t-shirt material. They will have the SLUG logo, sort of. If you look at the SLUG logo, in the letters you see the gradation of color from yellow to dark purple at the bottom. Instead of this, we'll just have a yellow at the top and blue at the bottom inside the letters, like if you were at the beach (goes with the palm tree, see?). Our setup fee is $90. Each shirt will cost $15.75 + tax, regardless of color or size. We have to buy in lots of 12 and the cost is based on less than 50 quantity total. Assuming 50 shirts, the price to you would be about $18.65 each. I don't know if SLUG will be able to pay for them first, or if we'll have to get your money first. But the point here is this: At let's say $19 a pop, how many people want them (and do you want more than one)? I'd like to get these ordered and made before the CTS show. Reply to me, preferably off-list, but on list if you just can't do it any other way. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 20:06:53 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12013 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:06:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12010 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:06:52 -0400 Received: from mpinet.net (pop.mpinet.net [216.53.130.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA20142 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net (216-53-218-182.ppp.mpinet.net [216.53.218.182]) by mpinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04592 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD24D90.11ED6C56@mpinet.net> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:02:24 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Trial Balloon - Polo Shirts References: <20010409183834.A11466@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Interesting if the cotton content were higher. This is a sub-tropical climate. How about microsoft armbands - a black one size fits all with the windows symbol silkscreened on it. Now that could sell. Smitty Paul M Foster wrote: > > SLUGs: > > I'm just sending this to the SLUG list as a trial to check response > before I put it before the announce list. > > We have Polo Shirts. (Well, we don't really have them yet. They're > "vaporwear" until I get some orders.) > > Here are the details: > > Anvil brand shirts, 50% cotton/50% poly in Pique Knit > 6.5 ounce, preshrunk, 3 button, no pocket, ribbed cuffs. > Sizes S to 3XL > Colors: white, heather grey, black, ivy, navy and red > > This isn't a top-of-the-line shirt, but it's quality. Not like t-shirt > material. > > They will have the SLUG logo, sort of. If you look at the SLUG logo, > in the letters you see the gradation of color from yellow to dark purple > at the bottom. Instead of this, we'll just have a yellow at the top and > blue at the bottom inside the letters, like if you were at the beach > (goes with the palm tree, see?). > > Our setup fee is $90. Each shirt will cost $15.75 + tax, regardless of > color or size. We have to buy in lots of 12 and the cost is based on > less than 50 quantity total. Assuming 50 shirts, the price to you would > be about $18.65 each. > > I don't know if SLUG will be able to pay for them first, or if we'll > have to get your money first. > > But the point here is this: At let's say $19 a pop, how many people want > them (and do you want more than one)? I'd like to get these ordered and > made before the CTS show. > > Reply to me, preferably off-list, but on list if you just can't do it > any other way. > > Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 21:13:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12193 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:13:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12190 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:13:56 -0400 Received: from globenet.globe-nett.com ([206.96.179.169]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA20293 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golde.timjones.com (653246hfc82.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.46.82]) by globenet.globe-nett.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3A1BQ420770; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:11:26 GMT Received: (from tim@localhost) by golde.timjones.com (8.11.0/8.11.0/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) id f3A1De106869; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:13:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:13:40 -0400 From: Tim Jones To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] All Show Volunteers Message-ID: <20010409211340.A18261@linuxtampa.com> References: <000b01c0c12b$5eafade0$fa51090a@bpreece> <01040917121900.00256@linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01040917121900.00256@linux>; from tuck@acer-access.com on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 05:12:19PM -0400 Organization: LinuxTampa.com: 100% pure Linux/FreeBSD Consultancy X-LinuxTampa: Visit http://www.linuxtampa.com to benefit from liberated software! Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 05:12:19PM -0400, Glen Canaday wrote: > > I'll also have maybe a few open source, the heavy gear 2, and soldier of > fortune demos from maximum linux installed that people can see that you *can* > have linux and games, too. That's about all I have planned, if someone has > any suggestions, I'm all ears. I wrote all the software for an Linux ATM machine a year and a half ago, and for our demo, we used AVI files of Movie Trailers. I didn't ask about the legalities of it, but I cannot imagine a movie company complaining about showing trailers FOR them, for free, and they seem to be pretty lawyer-wary on other issues. I believe I have them archived on a CD-ROM, and they total maybe 10 minutes. 007: The world is not enough, Mission Impossible II, Toy Story (II, I think), and Deep Blue Sea, plus a little AVI file with an audio track for the ATM machine company itself (my client was moneytreeatm.com). Would you like me to put them up on my site for you to view? Thanks, Tim -- ----------------------------------------------- Timothy Jones - LinuxTampa.com - 813-65-LINUX Open Source Programming, Databases & Networking ----------------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 22:20:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12350 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:20:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12347 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:20:49 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA20482 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14mmqj-0003Bi-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:21:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:21:41 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Trial Balloon - Polo Shirts Message-ID: <20010409212141.B11466@quillandmouse.com> References: <20010409183834.A11466@quillandmouse.com> <3AD24D90.11ED6C56@mpinet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AD24D90.11ED6C56@mpinet.net>; from 76543a@mpinet.net on Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 08:02:24PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 08:02:24PM -0400, Smitty wrote: > Interesting if the cotton content were higher. This is a sub-tropical > climate. > How about microsoft armbands - a black one size fits all with the > windows symbol silkscreened on it. Now that could sell. > Smitty > Higher cotton = higher price. Higher cotton = more shrinkage, regardless of "preshrunk" proviso. Some of the prices submitted to me were for _very_ lightweight shirts, on the order of t-shirts. This was the best compromise I could find in price and quality. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 9 23:03:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12517 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:03:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12514 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:03:20 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA20657 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3A33IS28900 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD27844.78760E83@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:04:36 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Kernel Memory Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net When I take a look at /proc/meminfo (kernel version 2.4.0 (4GB RAM enabled) I find that almost a third of my RAM is classified as "Inact_dirty". Does anyone have a good explanation of what this means. The kernel source code "fs/proc/proc_misc.c" gets this value from K(nr_inactive_dirty_pages). Please -- no porn site jokes. TIA Ed. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 00:14:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12669 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:14:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12666 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:14:42 -0400 Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id AAA20830 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653267hfc37.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.67.37) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2001 04:14:41 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD2885E.4735E87F@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:13:18 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] C# decompiler coded References: <3AD1E026.E3C1D03E@mpinet.net> <01040913404605.01684@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tina Gasperson wrote: > > So, how common would be it be for someone to gain access to a network using > .Net tools? I'm trying to get a feel for how widespread a problem this might > be. Judging by the almost non-reaction this story has had since it's original > publication on Friday, I'm thinking it's not considered much of a risk. Am I > wrong? > > -tina Well, it depends: are you a network admin who is looking at the highway robbery licence (sorry for the oh-so-horrid spelling) or a developer who has yet to commit to either C# (which is commonly felt to be "MSJava") or .Net? Frankly, I wish al of these security problems would make every company using MS software cringe with fear, but to most people if MS says it's ok, then just complain and remember there is no other option (fnord). Maybe people should read a bit more Nietszche (not that I like the guy, mind you, but he does make a point) and realize that they're at the wrong end of the Overman/Slave relationship. Shikata ga nai. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 00:20:36 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12691 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:20:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12688 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:20:36 -0400 Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id AAA20855 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653267hfc37.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.67.37) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2001 04:20:34 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD289BE.A71F7B60@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:19:10 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" References: <20010409175636.2310.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mark Banschbach wrote: > > Well Norb, I am ALLL over that.. count in one bass > player.. just pick an evening.. and I'll be there ! , > BTW, are we going in the Jazz/blues vein ? Real Book > tunes etc, etc. ? > Doesn't matter what style. Frankly, I think we can just make our own sound and take it from there (I've made Hindo chants sound like heavy metal. Switching styles in post-production is NOT that hard...) > Frozen Phoenix ???? Icy Tux ??? > > I am afraid I dont get the Phoneix part of that..:( > Sounded better than Frozen Penguins and kinda like the idea of "the idea which rises from its own ashes". I dunno, Just sounded cool.... Hmm... Ice Phoenix... sounds like it should be a comic book hero... Norb P.S. How does Friday Night sound? This week maybe even? Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 00:23:33 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12732 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:23:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12729 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:23:32 -0400 Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id AAA20875 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653267hfc37.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.67.37) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2001 04:23:31 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD28A6F.FDC9424C@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:22:07 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" References: <3AD1D4AC.28530699@yahoo.com> <3AD23653.F1313911@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ed Centanni wrote: > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > > Yet another idea for a name ;) *L* > > > > > How about "Cold Flipah" > Sounds like a rude hand gesture. 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 00:46:15 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12836 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:46:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12833 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:46:14 -0400 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id AAA20972 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653267hfc37.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.67.37) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2001 04:46:12 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD28FB8.1B66C721@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:44:40 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel Memory Question References: <3AD27844.78760E83@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ed Centanni wrote: > > When I take a look at /proc/meminfo (kernel version 2.4.0 (4GB RAM > enabled) I find that almost a third of my RAM is classified as > "Inact_dirty". Does anyone have a good explanation of what this means. > The kernel source code "fs/proc/proc_misc.c" gets this value from > K(nr_inactive_dirty_pages). > > Please -- no porn site jokes. > > TIA > Ed. This might not be of much, but have you checked out O'Reilly's Book on the Linux Kernel (I believe it's called "Linux Kernel Internals")? That might have some info. If you can't get to it soon I'll see if I can find out something for you netx time I make my usual Barness and Noble Hermitage ;) P.S. Can you post your /proc/meminfo file? I'd like to compare some notes I've been looking at. P.P.S. Long shot, but here goes (this is why I left it for last): Do you have this message during bootup? "Kernel command line: keepinitrd" If so, you might want to remove keepinitrd from your CONFIG_CMDLINE string. Again, this is a long shot that I'm not wuite sure applies to this problem. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 00:54:30 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12864 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:54:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12861 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:54:29 -0400 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id BAA21035 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653267hfc37.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.67.37) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2001 04:54:28 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD291A5.D673B6E6@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:52:53 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel Memory Question References: <3AD27844.78760E83@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD28FB8.1B66C721@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > Ed Centanni wrote: > > > > When I take a look at /proc/meminfo (kernel version 2.4.0 (4GB RAM > > enabled) I find that almost a third of my RAM is classified as > > "Inact_dirty". Does anyone have a good explanation of what this means. > > The kernel source code "fs/proc/proc_misc.c" gets this value from > > K(nr_inactive_dirty_pages). > > > > Please -- no porn site jokes. > > > > TIA > > Ed. > P.P.P.S. What/Who is TIA? Tampa International Airport? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 01:11:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12965 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:11:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12962 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:11:47 -0400 Received: from smtp6.quixnet.net (psmtp6.array3.laserlink.net [63.65.123.56] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA21112 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home (24129149hfc50.tampabay.rr.com [24.129.149.50]) by smtp6.quixnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA16058 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "seth" To: Subject: [SLUG] ata 100 cards Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:12:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3AD289BE.A71F7B60@yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I hope this goes through... does anyone use a aftermarket ata 66 or 100 card? there is a deal at staples right now, 30gb maxtor HD ata 100 ( 90bucks after coupon) you can get a free maxtor ata100 controller card with proof of purchase. I was wondering how they worked or are they just headaches? also would they show up as scsi drives? thanks, Seth From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 07:15:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14416 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:15:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14413 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:15:01 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id HAA22583 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3ABExC07763 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD2EB83.D4942DAB@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:16:19 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" References: <3AD1D4AC.28530699@yahoo.com> <3AD23653.F1313911@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD28A6F.FDC9424C@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > Ed Centanni wrote: > > > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > > > > Yet another idea for a name ;) *L* > > > > > > > > > How about "Cold Flipah" > > > > Sounds like a rude hand gesture. > > Norb > Now why does that automatically make me think of microsoft? Ed. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 07:51:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14552 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:51:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14549 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:51:06 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id HAA22726 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3ABp5S13020 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD2F3F9.4AD36CE4@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:52:25 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel Memory Question References: <3AD27844.78760E83@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD28FB8.1B66C721@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > Ed Centanni wrote: > > > > When I take a look at /proc/meminfo (kernel version 2.4.0 (4GB RAM > > enabled) I find that almost a third of my RAM is classified as > > "Inact_dirty". Does anyone have a good explanation of what this means. > > The kernel source code "fs/proc/proc_misc.c" gets this value from > > K(nr_inactive_dirty_pages). > > > > Please -- no porn site jokes. > > > > TIA > > Ed. > > This might not be of much, but have you checked out O'Reilly's Book on > the Linux Kernel (I believe it's called "Linux Kernel Internals")? That > might have some info. If you can't get to it soon I'll see if I can find > out something for you netx time I make my usual Barness and Noble > Hermitage ;) > Thanks. After posting the question I dug deeper into my vast underground caverns of links and I did find some information here: http://umeet.uninet.edu/conferencias/27-11-2000/2711.html and here: http://www.surriel.com/lectures/mmtour.html That pretty much answers my question. If anyone's interested I'll share. > P.S. > Can you post your /proc/meminfo file? I'd like to compare some notes > I've been looking at. > Here it is: total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached: Mem: 327245824 317763584 9482240 0 51363840 67473408 Swap: 139821056 1118208 138702848 MemTotal: 319576 kB MemFree: 9260 kB MemShared: 0 kB Buffers: 50160 kB Cached: 65892 kB Active: 29384 kB Inact_dirty: 83756 kB Inact_clean: 2912 kB Inact_target: 76 kB HighTotal: 0 kB HighFree: 0 kB LowTotal: 319576 kB LowFree: 9260 kB SwapTotal: 136544 kB SwapFree: 135452 kB The Inact_dirty was higher before I did a few experiments and reduced it. The experiments confirmed the information I got from the links. What's interesting is that large numbers in this class of memory shouldn't show up on systems where RAM is low enough to causing swapping. Only systems with "RAM to burn" will have significant numbers in this class. One could consider it a symption of "too much RAM". It also shows up a bug in xosview that shows more memory being used as "user or share" under such conditions than is true. The way this all started is that I upgraded the RAM on my system from 64 Meg to 320. After being up 24 hours or so xosview reported that most of my memory (2/3) was being used by "user/share" programs and libraries and didn't change after I logged off and back on to release all loaded programs and shared libraries I use. Some kind of unknown executable appeared to be hogging almost 100Meg of RAM. Fearing a crack I started to investigate memory usage and thus this journey. It's really just memory that used to be occupied by executables but hasn't yet been reclaimed for re-use. The kernel delays reclaimation until the memory is needed again. All's well except for misleading and simplistic info from xosview. Ed. > P.P.S. > Long shot, but here goes (this is why I left it for last): > Do you have this message during bootup? > > "Kernel command line: keepinitrd" > No. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 08:22:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14685 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:22:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14682 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:22:00 -0400 Received: from web220.mail.yahoo.com (web220.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.120]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id IAA22877 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010410122159.87645.qmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.84.253.16] by web220.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:21:59 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:21:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Manchester Subject: [SLUG] Is there a shell one liner to do this? To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3AD23475.266FEB6B@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I was wondering if there is a shell oneliner that can take the ouput of ps -A and piping through grep or awk kill process that match a search string. Sometimes netscape leaves a number netscape-common process running. When this happens I have to kill all of these before netscape will start again. I'm looking for a quick easy way to kill all of these process from the shell prompt. Thanks for any help on this Mike Manchster ===== --------------------------------- The requirements said "Windows 95/98/NT or better" So I installed Linux --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 08:59:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14832 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:59:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14829 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:59:57 -0400 Received: from web3602.mail.yahoo.com (web3602.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.97]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id JAA23029 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010410125956.9267.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.110.66] by web3602.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:59:56 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:59:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3AD23653.F1313911@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --- Ed Centanni wrote: > > How about "Cold Flipah" > > Ed. I like that one Ed. OK.. so Norb you play guitar ? Hindu chants... maybe.. but would prefer something a bit more in the " public Domain ".. and If we cant get studio time I have an old pain in the neck 4 track although it only records one track at a time :( Hey we poor musicians gotta do what we can right ?! Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 09:06:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14857 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:06:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14854 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:06:06 -0400 Received: from mail.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA23060 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pokey.513erich.iwaynet.net (router.513erich.iwaynet.net [206.244.44.225]) by mail.owlriver.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3AD1s727971 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:01:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by pokey.513erich.iwaynet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09452 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:02:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:02:10 -0400 (EDT) From: herrold To: SLUG list Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is there a shell one liner to do this? In-Reply-To: <20010410122159.87645.qmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net kill -9 `ps ax | grep [n]ets | awk {'print $1'}` On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Michael Manchester wrote: > I was wondering if there is a shell oneliner that can > take the ouput of ps -A and piping through grep or awk > kill process that match a search string. > > Sometimes netscape leaves a number netscape-common > process running. When this happens I have to kill all From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 09:06:27 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14866 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:06:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14863 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:06:27 -0400 Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA23066 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust196.tnt3.new-port-richey.fl.da.uu.net [63.11.38.196]) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07787 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AD32F47.F0132E9@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:05:27 -0700 From: Shaun Ducret X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" References: <3AD1D4AC.28530699@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I play keyboards primarily (and a little guitar) and also have some experience with recording, engineering, post-production, sound manipulation, etc... I'd be thrilled to do it. -Shaun From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 09:12:39 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14879 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:12:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14876 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:12:39 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA23077 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (24129177hfc02.tampabay.rr.com [24.129.177.2]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3ADCbS15375 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD3079F.E166E3A@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:16:16 -0400 From: Anita X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" References: <3AD1D4AC.28530699@yahoo.com> <3AD32F47.F0132E9@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Shaun Ducret wrote: > I play keyboards primarily (and a little guitar) and also have some > experience with recording, engineering, post-production, sound manipulation, > etc... > > I'd be thrilled to do it. > > -Shaun I can do background vocals, if you want. If I have enough notice, I also play a little trumpet. Anita From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 09:26:26 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14959 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:26:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14956 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:26:25 -0400 Received: from web220.mail.yahoo.com (web220.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.120]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id JAA23146 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010410132624.89436.qmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.84.253.16] by web220.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:26:24 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:26:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Manchester Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is there a shell one liner to do this? To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks Herrold. --- herrold wrote: > > kill -9 `ps ax | grep [n]ets | awk {'print $1'}` > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Michael Manchester wrote: > > > I was wondering if there is a shell oneliner that > can > > take the ouput of ps -A and piping through grep or > awk > > kill process that match a search string. > > > > Sometimes netscape leaves a number netscape-common > > process running. When this happens I have to kill > all > > > > ===== --------------------------------- The requirements said "Windows 95/98/NT or better" So I installed Linux --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 09:41:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15098 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:41:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15095 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:41:59 -0400 Received: from mail.qsl.net ([63.238.179.181]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA23264 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wtog105 (ip157.tampa16.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.46.157]) by mail.qsl.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3ADeox22066 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:40:50 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c0c1c3$d9754a60$9d2e2526@wtog105> From: "Ron KA4INM Youvan" To: References: <20010410122159.87645.qmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is there a shell one liner to do this? Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:40:45 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi all: > I was wondering if there is a shell oneliner that can > take the ouput of ps -A and piping through grep or awk > kill process that match a search string. > Sometimes netscape leaves a number netscape-common > process running. When this happens I have to kill all > of these before netscape will start again. I have this problem, I use ' killall netscape '. I think the problem is from contact bounce in my mouse, it also occurs with other programs sometimes, slowly right clicking (greatly reduced), then replacing the mouse cured the problem. I am looking for a switch that will, or other way to, de-bounce mouse button switches with gmp (gpm???) in repeater mode (server mode). (contact bounce can return with microswitch age) 73 (= Best Regards) de: (= this is) Ron ka4inm@qsl.net Please visit my HAM web site at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 09:44:28 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15128 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:44:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15125 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:44:28 -0400 Received: from globenet.globe-nett.com ([206.96.179.169]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA23283 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golde.timjones.com (653246hfc82.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.46.82]) by globenet.globe-nett.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3ADft430821; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:41:55 GMT Received: (from tim@localhost) by golde.timjones.com (8.11.0/8.11.0/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) id f3ADiJZ14653; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:44:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:44:18 -0400 From: Tim Jones To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is there a shell one liner to do this? Message-ID: <20010410094418.A14615@linuxtampa.com> References: <3AD23475.266FEB6B@tampabay.rr.com> <20010410122159.87645.qmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010410122159.87645.qmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com>; from mchester@yahoo.com on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 05:21:59AM -0700 Organization: LinuxTampa.com: 100% pure Linux/FreeBSD Consultancy X-LinuxTampa: Visit http://www.linuxtampa.com to benefit from liberated software! Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 05:21:59AM -0700, Michael Manchester wrote: > I was wondering if there is a shell oneliner that can > take the ouput of ps -A and piping through grep or awk > kill process that match a search string. > > Sometimes netscape leaves a number netscape-common > process running. When this happens I have to kill all > of these before netscape will start again. I'm looking > for a quick easy way to kill all of these process from > the shell prompt. I confess to having a similar problem: netscape locking up, chewing up all spare CPU cycles and refusing to redraw itself. So, I made the following tiny scripts, both called 'n'. Golde runs SuSE 7.0 and bobo runs Debian 2.2. Just substitute whatever your process names are. tim@golde:/usr/X11R6/bin > cat /usr/local/bin/n #!/bin/bash killall -9 netscape cd /usr/local/netscape ./netscape & tim@golde:/usr/X11R6/bin > ssh bobo cat /usr/local/bin/n #!/bin/bash killall -9 netscape netscape-communicator communicator-smotif.real netscape & Tim -- ----------------------------------------------- Timothy Jones - LinuxTampa.com - 813-65-LINUX Open Source Programming, Databases & Networking ----------------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 09:48:28 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15155 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:48:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15152 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:48:28 -0400 Received: from globenet.globe-nett.com ([206.96.179.169]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA23301 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golde.timjones.com (653246hfc82.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.46.82]) by globenet.globe-nett.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3ADjt430864; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:45:55 GMT Received: (from tim@localhost) by golde.timjones.com (8.11.0/8.11.0/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) id f3ADmFA14704; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:48:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:48:15 -0400 From: Tim Jones To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel Memory Question Message-ID: <20010410094815.A14686@linuxtampa.com> References: <3AD27844.78760E83@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD28FB8.1B66C721@yahoo.com> <3AD291A5.D673B6E6@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AD291A5.D673B6E6@yahoo.com>; from niccademous@yahoo.com on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 12:52:53AM -0400 Organization: LinuxTampa.com: 100% pure Linux/FreeBSD Consultancy X-LinuxTampa: Visit http://www.linuxtampa.com to benefit from liberated software! Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 12:52:53AM -0400, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > What/Who is TIA? Tampa International Airport? Thanks in advance, I would guess... It took me a while to figure out PITA (pain in the arse). Tim -- ----------------------------------------------- Timothy Jones - LinuxTampa.com - 813-65-LINUX Open Source Programming, Databases & Networking ----------------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 10:09:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15304 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:09:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15301 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:09:56 -0400 Received: from mail01.san.yahoo.com (mail01.san.yahoo.com [209.132.1.35]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id KAA23434 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (65.32.44.26) by mail01.san.yahoo.com (5.1.062) id 3ACA395D006F04F5 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:03:10 -0700 From: Tina Gasperson Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:14:25 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: slug@nks.net References: <3AD1D4AC.28530699@yahoo.com> <3AD32F47.F0132E9@earthlink.net> <3AD3079F.E166E3A@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3AD3079F.E166E3A@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041009411100.03496@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, heck, I play rhythm guitar and sing lead vocals enthusiastically. Will we all fit in the recording studio? :-) Maybe we can go in shifts. -tina On Tuesday 10 April 2001 09:16, you wrote: > Shaun Ducret wrote: > > I play keyboards primarily (and a little guitar) and also have some > > experience with recording, engineering, post-production, sound > > manipulation, etc... > > > > I'd be thrilled to do it. > > > > -Shaun > > I can do background vocals, if you want. If I have enough notice, I also > play a little trumpet. > > Anita From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 11:24:35 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15919 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:24:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15916 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:24:34 -0400 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id LAA24033 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cofa129-194.arts.usf.edu (HELO yahoo.com) (131.247.129.194) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2001 15:24:33 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD32573.2C7E8562@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:23:31 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" References: <20010410125956.9267.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mark Banschbach wrote: > > --- Ed Centanni wrote: > > > > How about "Cold Flipah" > > > > Ed. > > I like that one Ed. OK.. so Norb you play guitar ? Actually violin, 12 years, some ContraBass, Guitar Bass (7 yrs)and, of course, Viola (4yrs). Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 11:55:41 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16130 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:55:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16127 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:55:40 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA24224 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [63.20.112.25] (1Cust25.tnt1.zephyrhills.fl.da.uu.net [63.20.112.25]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00876; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104101555.IAA00876@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:28:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] All Show Volunteers From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net CC: savatage@mindspring.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, alas, I won't be there...at the meeting. I have a day off for the CTS, though. I'd like to bring my Mac Quadra 700 & 610 (two old old old Macs from about 1992 running at 25mhz...:-) to show how versatile Linux is/can be... Russell ____________________________________________________ "I don't care if you're going nowhere, Just take good care of the world." -- Depeche Mode ---------- >From: "Bill Preece" >To: >Subject: [SLUG] All Show Volunteers >Date: Mon, Apr 9, 2001, 3:29 PM > > This week at the Tampa Meeting we need to get together and finish hashing > out the > final details as the time is now getting near to the CTS Show Time. > > If anyone will not be able to attend please e-mail me so we can fill in the > details. > > Thanks > Bill Preece > > > > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 11:55:50 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16139 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:55:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16136 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:55:49 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA24231 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [63.20.112.25] (1Cust25.tnt1.zephyrhills.fl.da.uu.net [63.20.112.25]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01920 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104101555.IAA01920@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:44:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel Memory Question From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I don't know about the dirty part, but I do know that the kernel uses all available memory. It takes everything you have available, including swap, for its own use. That way, it's in control. Naturally, when you add memory, the kernel takes it. I think (IIRC) that this actually makes the kernel more efficient. Russell ____________________________________________________ "I don't care if you're going nowhere, Just take good care of the world." -- Depeche Mode ---------- >From: Ed Centanni >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel Memory Question >Date: Tue, Apr 10, 2001, 7:52 AM > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: >> >> Ed Centanni wrote: >> > >> > When I take a look at /proc/meminfo (kernel version 2.4.0 (4GB RAM >> > enabled) I find that almost a third of my RAM is classified as >> > "Inact_dirty". Does anyone have a good explanation of what this means. >> > The kernel source code "fs/proc/proc_misc.c" gets this value from >> > K(nr_inactive_dirty_pages). >> > >> > Please -- no porn site jokes. >> > >> > TIA >> > Ed. >> >> This might not be of much, but have you checked out O'Reilly's Book on >> the Linux Kernel (I believe it's called "Linux Kernel Internals")? That >> might have some info. If you can't get to it soon I'll see if I can find >> out something for you netx time I make my usual Barness and Noble >> Hermitage ;) >> > > Thanks. After posting the question I dug deeper into my vast > underground caverns of links and I did find some information here: > http://umeet.uninet.edu/conferencias/27-11-2000/2711.html > and here: > http://www.surriel.com/lectures/mmtour.html > That pretty much answers my question. If anyone's interested I'll > share. > >> P.S. >> Can you post your /proc/meminfo file? I'd like to compare some notes >> I've been looking at. >> > > Here it is: > > total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached: > Mem: 327245824 317763584 9482240 0 51363840 67473408 > Swap: 139821056 1118208 138702848 > MemTotal: 319576 kB > MemFree: 9260 kB > MemShared: 0 kB > Buffers: 50160 kB > Cached: 65892 kB > Active: 29384 kB > Inact_dirty: 83756 kB > Inact_clean: 2912 kB > Inact_target: 76 kB > HighTotal: 0 kB > HighFree: 0 kB > LowTotal: 319576 kB > LowFree: 9260 kB > SwapTotal: 136544 kB > SwapFree: 135452 kB > > The Inact_dirty was higher before I did a few experiments and reduced > it. The experiments confirmed the information I got from the links. > What's interesting is that large numbers in this class of memory > shouldn't show up on systems where RAM is low enough to causing > swapping. Only systems with "RAM to burn" will have significant numbers > in this class. One could consider it a symption of "too much RAM". It > also shows up a bug in xosview that shows more memory being used as > "user or share" under such conditions than is true. > > The way this all started is that I upgraded the RAM on my system from 64 > Meg to 320. After being up 24 hours or so xosview reported that most of > my memory (2/3) was being used by "user/share" programs and libraries > and didn't change after I logged off and back on to release all loaded > programs and shared libraries I use. Some kind of unknown executable > appeared to be hogging almost 100Meg of RAM. Fearing a crack I started > to investigate memory usage and thus this journey. It's really just > memory that used to be occupied by executables but hasn't yet been > reclaimed for re-use. The kernel delays reclaimation until the memory > is needed again. > > All's well except for misleading and simplistic info from xosview. > > Ed. > >> P.P.S. >> Long shot, but here goes (this is why I left it for last): >> Do you have this message during bootup? >> >> "Kernel command line: keepinitrd" >> > > No. > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 11:58:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16174 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:58:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16171 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:58:48 -0400 Received: from smtppop2pub.verizon.net (smtppop2pub.gte.net [206.46.170.21]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA24246 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from A2L1.gte.net (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id KAA123510993 Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:47:57 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Remmember what I said about SuSE? Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:45:13 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041012451300.06598@A2L1.gte.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well here is the lowdown---because Im one of those people that just have to try All the different distros---the new Mandrake is gonna be a real winner. Im running Mandrake 8 Beta 3 and so far it not only has been trouble free but is also very impressive. Considering that it is a beta release and it still hasnt given me even one problem that alone speaks volumes. It has ALL the newest KDE and Gnome features (working very well) including Eazel and seems to be very smooth and stable. I think Microflop is on the way out especially with the likes of the new Linux releases ie: SuSE and Mandrake8 not to mention the improvements to the Debian--Im of the opinion that in the coming year linux users will not be the "geeks" of the computer users but just the most intelligent consumer---as a side note the final is out on RedmondLinux (your Moms linux) and it is a very simple install and user friendly distro---that said looks like Linux has a long and prosperous future!!! I know Im lovin it---- A J From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 12:43:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16539 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:43:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16536 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:43:03 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD33817.DD934BC@illusionary.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:43:03 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is there a shell one liner to do this? References: <20010410122159.87645.qmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Michael Manchester wrote: > > I was wondering if there is a shell oneliner that can > take the ouput of ps -A and piping through grep or awk > kill process that match a search string. > > Sometimes netscape leaves a number netscape-common > process running. When this happens I have to kill all > of these before netscape will start again. I'm looking > for a quick easy way to kill all of these process from > the shell prompt. > > Thanks for any help on this > Mike Manchster ps ax | grep [whatever] | awk '{print $1}' | xargs kill -9 always worked for me. Put it in a shell like this: #!/bin/sh ps ax | grep $1 | awk '{print $1}' | xargs kill -9 and call it toast or something, then you can 'toast netscape'. You probably have something similar called "killall" on your system already. I've never dug into it to see how it works but it doesn't always work for me whereas the above command line does every time. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 14:04:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17031 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:04:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17028 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:04:00 -0400 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id OAA25022 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cofa129-194.arts.usf.edu (HELO yahoo.com) (131.247.129.194) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2001 18:03:58 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD34ACA.B5CC5DF6@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:02:50 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel Memory Question References: <200104101555.IAA01920@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > ---------- > >From: Ed Centanni > >To: slug@nks.net > >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel Memory Question > >Date: Tue, Apr 10, 2001, 7:52 AM > > > > Here it is: > > > > total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached: > > Mem: 327245824 317763584 9482240 0 51363840 67473408 > > Swap: 139821056 1118208 138702848 > > MemTotal: 319576 kB > > MemFree: 9260 kB > > MemShared: 0 kB > > Buffers: 50160 kB > > Cached: 65892 kB > > Active: 29384 kB > > Inact_dirty: 83756 kB > > Inact_clean: 2912 kB > > Inact_target: 76 kB > > HighTotal: 0 kB > > HighFree: 0 kB > > LowTotal: 319576 kB > > LowFree: 9260 kB > > SwapTotal: 136544 kB > > SwapFree: 135452 kB > > > > The Inact_dirty was higher before I did a few experiments and reduced > > it. The experiments confirmed the information I got from the links. > > What's interesting is that large numbers in this class of memory > > shouldn't show up on systems where RAM is low enough to causing > > swapping. Only systems with "RAM to burn" will have significant numbers > > in this class. One could consider it a symption of "too much RAM". It > > also shows up a bug in xosview that shows more memory being used as > > "user or share" under such conditions than is true. > > > > The way this all started is that I upgraded the RAM on my system from 64 > > Meg to 320. After being up 24 hours or so xosview reported that most of > > my memory (2/3) was being used by "user/share" programs and libraries > > and didn't change after I logged off and back on to release all loaded > > programs and shared libraries I use. Some kind of unknown executable > > appeared to be hogging almost 100Meg of RAM. Fearing a crack I started > > to investigate memory usage and thus this journey. It's really just > > memory that used to be occupied by executables but hasn't yet been > > reclaimed for re-use. The kernel delays reclaimation until the memory > > is needed again. > > > > All's well except for misleading and simplistic info from xosview. > > > > Ed. > > The reason I asked to compare is because I was (oddly enough) looking at mine too and got this (I have approximatelly 1/2 the RAM you do, a but more than 1/2) total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached: Mem: 195186688 123957248 71229440 0 13533184 56029184 Swap: 213848064 0 213848064 MemTotal: 190612 kB MemFree: 69560 kB MemShared: 0 kB Buffers: 13216 kB Cached: 54716 kB Active: 24352 kB Inact_dirty: 43580 kB Inact_clean: 0 kB Inact_target: 48 kB HighTotal: 0 kB HighFree: 0 kB LowTotal: 190612 kB LowFree: 69560 kB SwapTotal: 208836 kB SwapFree: 208836 kB Now, I've been looking at some notes on the Kernel mailers about this and noticed that I had a much bigger Inact_dirty number than the files I kept lookng at. Thanks for the explanation ;) Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 18:04:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19197 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:04:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19194 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:04:57 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA26439 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mike (2416410hfc234.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.10.234]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3AM4uC22848 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001701c0c20c$27c51f40$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Mike Dittmeier" To: "[SLUG]" Subject: [SLUG] Bradenton - Sarasota Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:18:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0C1EA.9D756B40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0C1EA.9D756B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was wondering if there is any interest in having meetings the = Bradenton - Sarasota area yet. I have the trip to and from Tampa, and = would love to start having meetings here. Mike Dittmeier mdittmei@tampabay.rr.com ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0C1EA.9D756B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was wondering if there is any = interest in having=20 meetings the Bradenton - Sarasota area yet. I have the trip to and from=20 Tampa, and would love to start having meetings here.
 
Mike Dittmeier
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0C1EA.9D756B40-- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 18:40:19 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19320 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:40:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19317 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:40:18 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA26618 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aeon.vmlinux.com (653289hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.89.242]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3AMe7S06085 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:40:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Braman X-Sender: aeon@aeon.vmlinux.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is there a shell one liner to do this? In-Reply-To: <20010410122159.87645.qmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Michael Manchester wrote: > I was wondering if there is a shell oneliner that can > take the ouput of ps -A and piping through grep or awk > kill process that match a search string. > > Sometimes netscape leaves a number netscape-common > process running. When this happens I have to kill all > of these before netscape will start again. I'm looking > for a quick easy way to kill all of these process from > the shell prompt. Here's some free Unix advice. I've seen a lot of people reply to this post with a "kill -9" statement. My free advice is that you learn to use words instead of numbers. Now, the option to the kill command is the signal number or signal name you want to send to the program. It is my belief that it is far easier and more portable to remember the name of a signal you want to send (which extends from why you are sending it) then it is to remember which number that signal maps to. For example, on most systems, the number 9 represents the SIGKILL signal. Hence, you would write a command like "kill -KILL" instead of the aforementioned erroneous method. Now, you'll get a whole lot of stubborn people saying that it doesn't make a difference and that "everyone knows what kill -9 does", but what if you want to make a running process abort and dump a core file? The way I do it is by sending the SIGABRT signal via "kill -ABRT". Can *everyone* that uses "kill -9" tell me which signal number SIGABRT is? I personally don't remember, and don't need to; neither should you. Another reason for using names instead of numbers is that the signals actually mean something. For instance, SIGUSR1 and SIGUSR2 are user-defined signals, SIGKILL is a signal that cannot be caught or ignored, SIGHUP tells the process to "hang up" or "restart" typically, and SIGABRT tells a process to dump a core file and stop. If you used numbers for all of this you would first have to remember the name of the signal you wanted to send and then have to remember (or look up) which signal this maps to. Boy, that's a lot more work than I care to do, being a user. Remember, use names instead of numbers. It's the right thing to do and a tasty way to do it. :) kill -TERM Paul Braman aeon@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 19:09:38 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19398 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:09:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19395 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:09:38 -0400 Received: from femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.89]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA26732 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.3.86.94]) by femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010410230931.JGGY146.femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:09:31 -0700 Message-ID: <3AD392AA.1A1558FE@home.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:09:30 -0400 From: stephen edwards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bradenton - Sarasota References: <001701c0c20c$27c51f40$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Mike Dittmeier wrote: > > I was wondering if there is any interest in having meetings the > Bradenton - Sarasota area yet. I have the trip to and from Tampa, and > would love to start having meetings here. > > Mike Dittmeier > mdittmei@tampabay.rr.com i would be interested in attending. i am in sarasota but bradenton is better than driving to tampa. add me to your list. steve edwards From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 19:38:37 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19480 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:38:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19477 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:38:36 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA26842 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phoenixden (241649hfc97.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.9.97]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3ANcZC11491 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01c0c217$4f4915c0$6109a418@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Jeffery Jacoby" To: References: <001701c0c20c$27c51f40$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bradenton - Sarasota Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:38:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Count me in on having meetings in Bradenton-Sarasota. I just joined slug and would love to have something close. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Dittmeier To: [SLUG] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:18 PM Subject: [SLUG] Bradenton - Sarasota I was wondering if there is any interest in having meetings the Bradenton - Sarasota area yet. I have the trip to and from Tampa, and would love to start having meetings here. Mike Dittmeier mdittmei@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 19:45:28 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19509 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:45:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19506 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:45:27 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA26882 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3ANjGC15157 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD39B5E.789AB11F@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:46:38 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel Memory Question References: <3AD27844.78760E83@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD28FB8.1B66C721@yahoo.com> <3AD291A5.D673B6E6@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > > Ed Centanni wrote: > > > > > > When I take a look at /proc/meminfo (kernel version 2.4.0 (4GB RAM > > > enabled) I find that almost a third of my RAM is classified as > > > "Inact_dirty". Does anyone have a good explanation of what this means. > > > The kernel source code "fs/proc/proc_misc.c" gets this value from > > > K(nr_inactive_dirty_pages). > > > > > > Please -- no porn site jokes. > > > > > > TIA > > > Ed. > > > > P.P.P.S. > > What/Who is TIA? Tampa International Airport? > Thanks In Advance. Ed. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 19:47:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19525 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:47:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19522 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:47:46 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA26896 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3ANljC16421 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD39BF4.164C4CAB@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:49:08 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel Memory Question References: <200104101555.IAA01920@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> <3AD34ACA.B5CC5DF6@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > The reason I asked to compare is because I was (oddly enough) looking at > mine too and got this (I have approximatelly 1/2 the RAM you do, a but > more than 1/2) > > total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached: > Mem: 195186688 123957248 71229440 0 13533184 56029184 > Swap: 213848064 0 213848064 > MemTotal: 190612 kB > MemFree: 69560 kB > MemShared: 0 kB > Buffers: 13216 kB > Cached: 54716 kB > Active: 24352 kB > Inact_dirty: 43580 kB > Inact_clean: 0 kB > Inact_target: 48 kB > HighTotal: 0 kB > HighFree: 0 kB > LowTotal: 190612 kB > LowFree: 69560 kB > SwapTotal: 208836 kB > SwapFree: 208836 kB > > Now, I've been looking at some notes on the Kernel mailers about this > and noticed that I had a much bigger Inact_dirty number than the files I > kept lookng at. Thanks for the explanation ;) > > Norb > Oh the terrible burden we have to bear -- having too much RAM and all.... Ed. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 19:49:51 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19534 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:49:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19531 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:49:51 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA26902 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3ANnoC17419 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD39C70.B190463C@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:51:12 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" References: <3AD1D4AC.28530699@yahoo.com> <3AD32F47.F0132E9@earthlink.net> <3AD3079F.E166E3A@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net All Right! Now we got a horn section! Ed. Anita wrote: > > Shaun Ducret wrote: > > > I play keyboards primarily (and a little guitar) and also have some > > experience with recording, engineering, post-production, sound manipulation, > > etc... > > > > I'd be thrilled to do it. > > > > -Shaun > > I can do background vocals, if you want. If I have enough notice, I also play a > little trumpet. > > Anita From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 19:52:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19555 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:52:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19552 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:52:04 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA26918 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3ANq3C18461 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD39CF6.40214836@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:53:26 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bradenton - Sarasota References: <001701c0c20c$27c51f40$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If y'all decide to meet let me know and I'll include it in the bi-monthly announcements. Ed. > Mike Dittmeier wrote: > > I was wondering if there is any interest in having meetings the > Bradenton - Sarasota area yet. I have the trip to and from Tampa, and > would love to start having meetings here. > > Mike Dittmeier > mdittmei@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 20:54:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19891 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:54:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19888 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:54:29 -0400 Received: from web11008.mail.yahoo.com (web11008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.58]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id VAA27231 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010411005427.26859.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [131.247.44.178] by web11008.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:54:27 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:54:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Norbert Cartagena Subject: Re: [SLUG] Studio times: To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <01041009411100.03496@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net How does Friday night, say, around 7pm, sound for everyone? Bring yourselves, bring your instruments and bring a good attitude. We'll work the rest of the stuff out there ;) The studio I am reffering to is the SYCOM Studios at USF. I'll be working with a band until about 7pm anyways so You'll find me there if you happen to get there early (working with another band, actually). Just so I have a list of names and count of how many, please send me an email to niccademous@yahoo.com with the subject "Count Me In!!!!" And the body containing your name and instrument(s). P.S. We have a piano and a couple keyboards so short of you having a Nord Modulator, don't worry about the keyboards. However if you Do have a Nord.... we need to talk ;) This is how you get to the studio: (presuming you already know how to get to USF. If you don't, please tell me where you're comming from in your e-mail and I'll see if I can give clear enough directions on how to ge there) On FOWLER, go to Bruce B. Downs (30th). Take a Left (if comming from 75) or a right (if comming from 275), towards FLETCHER. At the light right before FLETCHER (just past the bridge conecting the Hopital on your left and the University on your right), there will be a light for a streen, E. MAGNOLIA. Take a right. Follow the cuvy road down past the first light (and I think they just built a second there... there'l be alot of construction). Keep an eye to your right because you'll be looking for a building with the word "THEATER" on the side (obiously the Theater building). That'll be Where you want to turn and park (parking is unrestricted after 6pm). Enter the building through the left hand door of the building (facing E.Magnolia). Follow it down towards the end of the hall and enter the last door on the left. Open in. Go down the stairs to what should feel like a 60's nuclear bunker. Enter the single door at the botom. That is SYCOM. Go down the hall to the third door on the right, which should be opened and should have a esk and a couch as well as a collection of back scratchers on the opposite wall. Ask for Norb. If It's me, I'll just raise my hand. I hope this is clear enough. See you all there1!!!! Norb ===== ~ Good evening, Mr. Gates . . I'll be your server this evening. /V\ // \\ /( )\ ^`~'^ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 21:34:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19985 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:34:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19982 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:34:18 -0400 Received: from smtppop1pub.verizon.net (smtppop1pub.gte.net [206.46.170.20]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA27345 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gte.net (tamqfl1-ar3-104-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.104.29]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id TAA90575209 Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:17:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3AD3A496.65D010D8@gte.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:25:58 -0400 From: Robert M Mulroy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.1-0.1.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: [SLUG] Progeny Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Has anyone used Progeny Linux? If so what were your thought about it? Been thinking about giving it a try, just looking for some input on it. Thanks Bob From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 22:00:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20031 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:00:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20028 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:00:08 -0400 Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA27406 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from louise (ip194.tampa7.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.6.194]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3B206p90634 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:00:06 -0400 Message-ID: <005601c0c22b$359ae5e0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is there a shell one liner to do this? Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:51:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks Paul Good habbits will keep you safe! ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Braman > Here's some free Unix advice. > Remember, use names instead of numbers. > It's the right thing to do and a > tasty way to do it. :) > > kill -TERM From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 22:06:33 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20079 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:06:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20076 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:06:32 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA27440 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (24129177hfc02.tampabay.rr.com [24.129.177.2]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3B26VS26897 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD3BD08.CEB48F7A@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:10:17 -0400 From: Anita X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Studio times: References: <20010411005427.26859.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Leaves me out, since I work on Friday and can't afford to take it off....sorry...:-( Anita Norbert Cartagena wrote: > How does Friday night, say, around 7pm, sound for > everyone? Bring yourselves, bring your instruments and > bring a good attitude. We'll work the rest of the > stuff out there ;) The studio I am reffering to is the > SYCOM Studios at USF. I'll be working with a band > until about 7pm anyways so You'll find me there if you > happen to get there early (working with another band, > actually). Just so I have a list of names and count of > how many, please send me an email to > niccademous@yahoo.com with the subject "Count Me > In!!!!" And the body containing your name and > instrument(s). > > P.S. > We have a piano and a couple keyboards so short of you > having a Nord Modulator, don't worry about the > keyboards. However if you Do have a Nord.... we need > to talk ;) > > This is how you get to the studio: > > (presuming you already know how to get to USF. If you > don't, please tell me where you're comming from in > your e-mail and I'll see if I can give clear enough > directions on how to ge there) > > On FOWLER, go to Bruce B. Downs (30th). Take a Left > (if comming from 75) or a right (if comming from 275), > towards FLETCHER. At the light right before FLETCHER > (just past the bridge conecting the Hopital on your > left and the University on your right), there will be > a light for a streen, E. MAGNOLIA. Take a right. > Follow the cuvy road down past the first light (and I > think they just built a second there... there'l be > alot of construction). Keep an eye to your right > because you'll be looking for a building with the word > "THEATER" on the side (obiously the Theater building). > That'll be Where you want to turn and park (parking is > unrestricted after 6pm). Enter the building through > the left hand door of the building (facing > E.Magnolia). Follow it down towards the end of the > hall and enter the last door on the left. Open in. Go > down the stairs to what should feel like a 60's > nuclear bunker. Enter the single door at the botom. > That is SYCOM. Go down the hall to the third door on > the right, which should be opened and should have a > esk and a couch as well as a collection of back > scratchers on the opposite wall. Ask for Norb. If It's > me, I'll just raise my hand. > > I hope this is clear enough. > > See you all there1!!!! > > Norb > > ===== > ~ Good evening, Mr. Gates > . . I'll be your server this evening. > /V\ > // \\ > /( )\ > ^`~'^ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 22:08:25 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20088 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:08:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20085 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:08:24 -0400 Received: from ba.tzo.com (IDENT:postfix@653232hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.32.225]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA27446 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BALaptop (laptop [172.31.203.199]) by ba.tzo.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E4D9B3B49F for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007b01c0c22c$494ebb60$c7cb1fac@BALaptop> From: "Brian S. Armstrong" To: Subject: [SLUG] IP MASQ & VPN Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:08:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ok- I have been lurking for quite some time and finally have an issue which I can't seem to find a workaround for. I just got a shiny new VPN account for getting back into my company's intranet via the internet. I am running RedHat 6.22 w/kernel 2.2.14-5.0 and using ip masquerading to provide a transparent proxy for my internal network to use the internet. Everything works fine, except for the VPN back into my company's intranet. When I plug the client into raw internet and use the VPN it works fine. While running tcpdump on the outside interface when trying to connect to the VPN, I can see the packets leaving my external interface destined for the VPN address, but no packets are ever returned from the VPN. What I am looking for is a way to get ip masquerading to forward the VPN packets through my firewall and allow my client to access the VPN network without having to bypass the firewall to do it. I have found several howto's online pertaining to getting VPN to go through ip masquerading. All of them state that I need to patch the kernel with the following command: zcat ip_masq_vpn.patch.gz | patch -l -p0 > vpn-patch.log 2>&1 Where the patch file is the ip_masq_vpn.patch.gz file. I have downloaded the latest version of this file and placed it in the correct directory according to the howto's. When I try to execute the above command, while under /usr/src (as the howto states to do it), in the vpn-patch.log file I get the following message: can't find file to patch at input line 3 Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? The text leading up to this was: -------------------------- |*** ip_masq.c.orig Sat Nov 13 19:15:18 1999 |--- ip_masq.c Mon Nov 15 17:03:24 1999 -------------------------- File to patch: Skip this patch? [y] Skipping patch. 2 out of 2 hunks ignored I am at a loss. None of the online documentation I have been able to find has any information about this error. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks -BA From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 10 22:08:31 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20097 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:08:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: homer.mkintl.com: majordomo set sender to slug@nks.net using -f Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20094 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:08:31 -0400 Received: from m22.jersey.juno.com (m22.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.85]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA27452 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"kuprwhEVKhR/+02AF+sDxplv+IVH4IKwQo/9tUlBx56jAmdGJrmxAg=="> Received: (from rsouto@juno.com) by m22.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id F2P8LT35; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:08:26 EDT To: slug@nks.net Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:15:58 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Bradenton meetings Message-ID: <20010410.221559.-103579.0.rsouto@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-6,9-10 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: ramiro souto Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello All! I live in Valrico AND work in Sarasota (yes 1 hour down, 1 hour up). BEWARE cheap plug coming up! Anyone looking for an extremely good bi-lingual hardware/software support and sales engineer? OK to the real message: I go to the Brandon meetings (most of the time) AND I would like to meet with the SLUG people in Bradenton, hopefully if it does not clash with the Brandon meetings. So please count me in. Ramiro Souto ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 08:28:50 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21035 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:28:50 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21017 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:28:49 -0400 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id HAA29503 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4799 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2001 11:50:50 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 11:50:50 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([64.182.194.58]) by stewartsigns.com ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:50:49 -0500 From: "mike rock" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Kernel Memory Question Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:50:01 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3AD39B5E.789AB11F@tampabay.rr.com> Importance: Normal Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I too took a look at my /proc/meminfo and found,,,, nothing at all!! I have version 2.2.17-14. Is 2.4 the only version to populate that file? Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Ed Centanni Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:47 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel Memory Question Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > > Ed Centanni wrote: > > > > > > When I take a look at /proc/meminfo (kernel version 2.4.0 (4GB RAM > > > enabled) I find that almost a third of my RAM is classified as > > > "Inact_dirty". Does anyone have a good explanation of what this means. > > > The kernel source code "fs/proc/proc_misc.c" gets this value from > > > K(nr_inactive_dirty_pages). > > > > > > Please -- no porn site jokes. > > > > > > TIA > > > Ed. > > > > P.P.P.S. > > What/Who is TIA? Tampa International Airport? > Thanks In Advance. Ed. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 08:30:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21335 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:30:59 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21332 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:30:59 -0400 Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id IAA29766 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 12:30:57 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD44DFD.57461E60@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:28:45 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] [Fwd: Warning: could not send message for past 4 hours] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mail Delivery Subsystem wrote: > > ********************************************** > ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** > ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** > ********************************************** > > The original message was received at Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:59:40 -0400 (EDT) > from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114] > > ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... Deferred: Connection refused by [192.168.1.5] > Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours > Will keep trying until message is 5 days old > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Reporting-MTA: dns; cloven.nks.net > Arrival-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:59:40 -0400 (EDT) > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; slug@NKS.NET > Action: delayed > Anita wrote: > > > > Leaves me out, since I work on Friday and can't afford to take it > > off....sorry...:-( > > > > The only othjer time would be Saturday at 10am or so... (if anyone likes > this better, say "I" or "Eye").\ > > Norb > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 08:31:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21388 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:31:55 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21385 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:31:55 -0400 Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id IAA29786 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 12:31:53 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD44E35.56F4BE76@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:29:41 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Cold Flipah Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mail Delivery Subsystem wrote: > > ********************************************** > ** THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY ** > ** YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE ** > ********************************************** > > The original message was received at Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:46:43 -0400 (EDT) > from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31] > > ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... Deferred: Connection refused by [192.168.1.5] > Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours > Will keep trying until message is 5 days old > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Reporting-MTA: dns; cloven.nks.net > Arrival-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:46:43 -0400 (EDT) > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; slug@nks.net > Action: delayed > Status: 4.4.1 > Remote-MTA: DNS; [192.168.1.5] > Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 04:50:44 -0400 (EDT) > Will-Retry-Until: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:46:43 -0400 (EDT) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:38:27 -0400 > From: Norbert Cartagena > To: slug@nks.net > References: <3AD1D4AC.28530699@yahoo.com> <3AD23653.F1313911@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD28A6F.FDC9424C@yahoo.com> <3AD2EB83.D4942DAB@tampabay.rr.com> > > Ed Centanni wrote: > > > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > > > > Ed Centanni wrote: > > > > > > > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yet another idea for a name ;) *L* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about "Cold Flipah" > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like a rude hand gesture. > > > > > > Norb > > > > > > > Now why does that automatically make me think of microsoft? > > > > Ed. > > http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19991024 > > ;) *LOL* > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 08:38:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21731 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:38:00 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21723 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:38:00 -0400 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id IAA29810 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 12:37:59 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD44FA1.BAE2E66F@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:35:45 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] Check out this story: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/04/10/1522253 Should IBM buy Corel? It certainly would be interesting (I'd be happy with it). Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 08:38:21 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21975 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:38:21 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21963 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:38:21 -0400 Received: from globenet.globe-nett.com ([206.96.179.169]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA28073 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golde.timjones.com (653246hfc82.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.46.82]) by globenet.globe-nett.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3B5c7428973; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 05:38:07 GMT Received: (from tim@localhost) by golde.timjones.com (8.11.0/8.11.0/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) id f3B5eSE22571; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:40:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:40:28 -0400 From: Tim Jones To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" Message-ID: <20010411014028.C22229@linuxtampa.com> References: <3AD1D4AC.28530699@yahoo.com> <3AD32F47.F0132E9@earthlink.net> <3AD3079F.E166E3A@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD39C70.B190463C@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AD39C70.B190463C@tampabay.rr.com>; from ecentan1@tampabay.rr.com on Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 07:51:12PM -0400 Organization: LinuxTampa.com: 100% pure Linux/FreeBSD Consultancy X-LinuxTampa: Visit http://www.linuxtampa.com to benefit from liberated software! Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 07:51:12PM -0400, Ed Centanni wrote: > All Right! Now we got a horn section! I can't make it this Friday, but for future reference, I play all brass instruments including trumpet, trombone, French Horn, euphonium, tuba, and military bugles in G (all four sizes: soprano, mellophone, baritone and contrabass). I actually own (and regularly play) at least of each of the above, except for a real tuba. I also teach music in the Odessa area each Sunday (well not next Sunday - it's Easter). See http://www.tampabaybrass.com for more information. The group is about 6 players right now, and I just got 40 Boy Scouts added to the roster, so we're acquiring some more drums and horns for them. I play enough piano to work out 4 and 5 part harmonies for the brass group, enough violin to teach my sons, and I also did guitar and recorder for the Bay Area Renaissance Festival in the late 80s/early 90s. When I retire I wanna be a band director.... Tim -- ----------------------------------------------- Timothy Jones - LinuxTampa.com - 813-65-LINUX Open Source Programming, Databases & Networking ----------------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 08:38:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22192 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:38:29 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22185 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:38:29 -0400 Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA27783 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from louise (ip101.tampa7.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.6.101]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3B4Vop36818 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:31:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c0c240$5f1ceac0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <007b01c0c22c$494ebb60$c7cb1fac@BALaptop> Subject: Re: [SLUG] IP MASQ & VPN Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:55:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Getting VPN to work sounds exciting (wierd or what?) What are the url's and HOWTO's that you have used? Like Ed I'll say TIA Larry :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian S. Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:08 PM > > I have found several howto's online pertaining to getting VPN > Thanks > -BA From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 08:38:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22200 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:38:29 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22188 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:38:29 -0400 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id AAA27813 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 04:40:23 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD3DFC3.A40DFB5E@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:38:27 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" References: <3AD1D4AC.28530699@yahoo.com> <3AD23653.F1313911@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD28A6F.FDC9424C@yahoo.com> <3AD2EB83.D4942DAB@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ed Centanni wrote: > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > > Ed Centanni wrote: > > > > > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > > > > > > Yet another idea for a name ;) *L* > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about "Cold Flipah" > > > > > > > Sounds like a rude hand gesture. > > > > Norb > > > > Now why does that automatically make me think of microsoft? > > Ed. http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19991024 ;) *LOL* _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 08:38:31 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22238 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:38:31 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22229 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:38:31 -0400 Received: from smtppop1pub.verizon.net (smtppop1pub.gte.net [206.46.170.20]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA27724 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from A2L1.gte.net (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id WAA89226395 Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:57:21 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:03:58 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041101035800.03087@A2L1.gte.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well i just downloaded and installed Mandrake 8 RC1 and included was the package for Mandrake Campus---seems that Mandrake is offering a FREE online linux schooling/course all you have to do is sign up--dont see anywhere where it requires Mandrake registration etc---this may be of interest to some of the SLUG members---just thought I would pass it along http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/pr-e_services.php3 AJ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 08:38:33 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22258 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:38:33 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22235 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:38:31 -0400 Received: from smtppop1pub.verizon.net (smtppop1pub.gte.net [206.46.170.20]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA27734 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from A2L1.gte.net (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id XAA83401002 Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:01:13 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Progeny Linux Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:07:50 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3AD3A496.65D010D8@gte.net> In-Reply-To: <3AD3A496.65D010D8@gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041101075001.03087@A2L1.gte.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have downloaded and tried to install this distro 3 times already---seems that the download version wont let you install so I cant really offer any information on it other than I cannot get a good install---all the downloads seem fine and the burn is complete (no errors or buffer underruns) but when I attempt to install it skips right over the base config---did the same on three different downloads from 3 diff mirrors so Im assumong that the release for download has a few erroer-- sorry I cant be of more help AJ On Tuesday 10 April 2001 20:25, you wrote: > Has anyone used Progeny Linux? If so what were your thought about it? > Been thinking about giving it a try, just looking for some input on it. > > Thanks > > Bob From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 08:38:35 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22341 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:38:35 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22329 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:38:35 -0400 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id XAA27652 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653267hfc207.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.67.207) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 03:53:20 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD3D4D1.DAA52452@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:51:45 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Studio times: References: <20010411005427.26859.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> <3AD3BD08.CEB48F7A@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Anita wrote: > > Leaves me out, since I work on Friday and can't afford to take it > off....sorry...:-( > The only othjer time would be Saturday at 10am or so... (if anyone likes this better, say "I" or "Eye").\ Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 08:38:37 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22393 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:38:37 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22381 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:38:36 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA27571 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newcomputer (653268hfc53.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.68.53]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3B2mnC01244 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301c0c231$b61cca20$35442041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bradenton - Sarasota Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:47:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net i thought there was suppose to be a group there already? -----Original Message----- From: Ed Centanni To: slug@nks.net Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bradenton - Sarasota >If y'all decide to meet let me know and I'll include it in the >bi-monthly announcements. > >Ed. > > >> Mike Dittmeier wrote: >> >> I was wondering if there is any interest in having meetings the >> Bradenton - Sarasota area yet. I have the trip to and from Tampa, and >> would love to start having meetings here. >> >> Mike Dittmeier >> mdittmei@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 08:53:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22666 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:53:46 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22663 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:53:46 -0400 Received: from smtppop1pub.verizon.net (smtppop1pub.gte.net [206.46.170.20]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA29905 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from A2L1.gte.net (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id HAA89833755 Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:41:32 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Mandrake school Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:48:04 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041109480400.19404@A2L1.gte.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well i just downloaded and installed Mandrake 8 RC1 and included was the package for Mandrake Campus---seems that Mandrake is offering a FREE online linux schooling/course all you have to do is sign up--dont see anywhere where it requires Mandrake registration etc---this may be of interest to some of the SLUG members---just thought I would pass it along http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/pr-e_services.php3 AJ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 08:57:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22729 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:57:29 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22726 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:57:29 -0400 Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA29941 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from A2L1.gte.net (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id HAA151677880 Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:45:44 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] RE: progeny Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:49:04 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041109490401.19404@A2L1.gte.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have downloaded and tried to install this distro 3 times already---seems that the download version wont let you install so I cant really offer any information on it other than I cannot get a good install---all the downloads seem fine and the burn is complete (no errors or buffer underruns) but when I attempt to install it skips right over the base config---did the same on three different downloads from 3 diff mirrors so Im assumong that the release for download has a few erroer-- sorry I cant be of more help AJ On Tuesday 10 April 2001 20:25, you wrote: > Has anyone used Progeny Linux? If so what were your thought about it? > Been thinking about giving it a try, just looking for some input on it. > > Thanks > > Bob From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 09:08:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22880 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:08:20 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22877 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:08:20 -0400 Received: from smtppop2pub.verizon.net (smtppop2pub.gte.net [206.46.170.21]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA00126 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from A2L1.gte.net (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id IAA127998450 Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:00:35 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Sorry Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:57:44 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041109574400.19442@A2L1.gte.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sorry dont know what version is doin!!! >The original message was received at Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:59:40 -0400 (EDT) > from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114] > > ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... Deferred: Connection refused by [192.168.1.5] > Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours > Will keep trying until message is 5 days old From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 09:12:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22926 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:12:47 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22923 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:12:47 -0400 Received: from ba.tzo.com (IDENT:postfix@653232hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.32.225]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA00151 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BALaptop (p17-96.tnt3.ij.net [209.4.17.96]) by ba.tzo.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E0013B49F for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101c0c289$18948ab0$78821fac@BALaptop> From: "Brian S. Armstrong" To: References: <007b01c0c22c$494ebb60$c7cb1fac@BALaptop> <000201c0c240$5f1ceac0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> Subject: Re: [SLUG] IP MASQ & VPN Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:12:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The howto I was using is located at: http://www.impsec.org/linux/masquerade/VPN-howto/VPN-Masquerade.html Specifically this section: http://www.impsec.org/linux/masquerade/VPN-howto/VPN-Masquerade-3.html#ss3.4 Any info would be greatly appreciated! Thanks -BA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Sanders" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] IP MASQ & VPN > Getting VPN to work sounds exciting (wierd or what?) > What are the url's and HOWTO's that you have used? > Like Ed I'll say TIA > Larry :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian S. Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:08 PM > > > > I have found several howto's online pertaining to getting VPN > > Thanks > > -BA > > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 09:24:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23062 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:24:01 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23059 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:24:01 -0400 Received: from web3601.mail.yahoo.com (web3601.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.96]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id JAA00278 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010411132400.19377.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.110.73] by web3601.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:24:00 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:24:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: Re: [SLUG] Studio times: To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20010411005427.26859.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey Norb ! This friday is Good Friday and will present problems for me.. can we move this to nextweek friday ??? Thanks ! Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 09:47:03 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23153 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:47:03 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23150 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:47:03 -0400 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA00367 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust250.tnt3.new-port-richey.fl.da.uu.net [63.11.38.250]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27035 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AD48A49.FA3A98D7@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:46:02 -0700 From: Shaun Ducret X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Studio times: References: <20010411005427.26859.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> <3AD3BD08.CEB48F7A@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD3D4D1.DAA52452@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > The only othjer time would be Saturday at 10am or so... (if anyone likes > this better, say "I" or "Eye").\ Saturday morning would be much better for me. Turns out I might have trouble getting there Friday night :( so Eye on that. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 10:07:52 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23326 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:07:52 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23323 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:07:51 -0400 Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id KAA00511 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010411140750.9046.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.110.68] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:07:50 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:07:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: Re: [SLUG] Studio times: To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3AD48A49.FA3A98D7@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Saturday AM would be good for me :) Makr Banschbach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 10:11:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23373 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:11:04 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23370 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:11:04 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id KAA00541 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (24129177hfc02.tampabay.rr.com [24.129.177.2]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3BEB2C01059 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD466DE.E5DA5347@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:14:54 -0400 From: Anita X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Studio times: References: <20010411140750.9046.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mark Banschbach wrote: > Saturday AM would be good for me :) > Makr Banschbach > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ I don't know how to word this without sounding like a whiner. I work both Friday and Saturday nights until 3am. Neither is any good for me. I can't attend meetings for the same reason. Oh, well..... Anita From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 10:25:35 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23567 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:25:35 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23564 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:25:35 -0400 Received: from mail01.san.yahoo.com (mail01.san.yahoo.com [209.132.1.35]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id KAA00701 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (65.32.44.26) by mail01.san.yahoo.com (5.1.062) id 3ACA395D007AE763 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:18:55 -0700 From: Tina Gasperson Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:30:16 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: slug@nks.net References: <20010411005427.26859.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> <3AD3D4D1.DAA52452@yahoo.com> <3AD48A49.FA3A98D7@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3AD48A49.FA3A98D7@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Studio times: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041110301604.01942@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Saturday is better for me too. "I" or "Eye" -tina On Wednesday 11 April 2001 12:46, you wrote: > > The only othjer time would be Saturday at 10am or so... (if anyone likes > > this better, say "I" or "Eye").\ > > Saturday morning would be much better for me. Turns out I might have > trouble getting there Friday night :( > > so Eye on that. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 10:37:26 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23695 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:37:26 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23687 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:37:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD46C25.566E5498@illusionary.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:37:25 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is there a shell one liner to do this? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul Braman wrote: [....] > Now, you'll get a whole lot of stubborn people saying that it doesn't make > a difference and that "everyone knows what kill -9 does", but what if you > want to make a running process abort and dump a core file? The way I do > it is by sending the SIGABRT signal via "kill -ABRT". Can *everyone* that > uses "kill -9" tell me which signal number SIGABRT is? I personally don't > remember, and don't need to; neither should you. [....] > Remember, use names instead of numbers. It's the right thing to do and a > tasty way to do it. :) But 'kill -9' is three less characters than 'kill -KILL', not to mention the letters 'kay', 'eye' and 'ell' are all right next to each other, which combined with holding SHIFT makes it a bit of a finger twister to type 'kill -KILL' as opposed to 'kill -9'. And... when's the last time SIGKILL changed from a value of int 9? Using the signal names is probably more 'correct' but 'kill -9' comes from the same fine legacy that gives us the 'sync three times before reboot', 'init 6' instead of shutdown and many other useful/useless traditions. Or to put it another way, old school hackers will look at a youngster typing 'kill -KILL', say, "What's wrong with you, son?" and hit them over the head with a LISP machine. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 10:46:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23794 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:46:42 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23791 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:46:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD46E52.CDD8CC78@illusionary.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:46:42 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IP MASQ & VPN References: <007b01c0c22c$494ebb60$c7cb1fac@BALaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net "Brian S. Armstrong" wrote: > > Ok- I have been lurking for quite some time and finally have an issue which > I can't seem to find a workaround for. I just got a shiny new VPN account > for getting back into my company's intranet via the internet. I am running > RedHat 6.22 w/kernel 2.2.14-5.0 and using ip masquerading to provide a > transparent proxy for my internal network to use the internet. Everything > works fine, except for the VPN back into my company's intranet. When I plug > the client into raw internet and use the VPN it works fine. While running > tcpdump on the outside interface when trying to connect to the VPN, I can > see the packets leaving my external interface destined for the VPN address, > but no packets are ever returned from the VPN. The problem you're probably having is that the encrypted packets contain your "real" address of the machine behind the Masqueraded connection. When the packets get NAT'ed through ipmasq, that "internal" address has already been encrypted into the payload, so when the server decrypts the packet and tries to send a response back, instead of trying to send it to your ipmasq box, it thinks it needs to send it to the "real" address of your machine, which is almost certainly non-routable from the network perspective of the VPN server. Generally speaking, it's very very difficult to make VPN'ed traffic pass through a NAT'ed connection. I've seen the ip_masq VPN patch around, but it's only supposed to work with specific types of VPN software. If it's some flavor of IPSEC implementation, you may have luck, if it's some kind of proprietary thing, you probably will never get it work where the packets get NAT'ed through your ipmasq connection. You may be better off installing FreeS/WAN on your ipmasq box (www.freeswan.org) and trying to get the VPN working with it. Note, however, that FreeS/WAN is IPSEC, so if your VPN is not IPSEC, it will not work. Unfortunately, I do this kind of stuff at work and this is just the way the vast majority of products are. Even with IPSEC a fairly well-established standard, so many companies still do VPNs with a proprietary 'roll-your-own' protocol that just doesn't work with anything else. (Of course, that's the whole idea - if your server worked with everyone else's clients, they wouldn't have to also purchase the client licenses from you also. *sigh*) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 10:59:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23964 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:59:09 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23961 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:59:09 -0400 Received: from ba.tzo.com (IDENT:postfix@653232hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.32.225]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA00996 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BALaptop (p17-96.tnt3.ij.net [209.4.17.96]) by ba.tzo.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 99F3B3B49F for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005401c0c297$f4684be0$78821fac@BALaptop> From: "Brian S. Armstrong" To: References: <007b01c0c22c$494ebb60$c7cb1fac@BALaptop> <3AD46E52.CDD8CC78@illusionary.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] IP MASQ & VPN Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:59:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Normally I would agree, however I took my laptop to a friend's house and he is using a Win98 machine running NAT32 for his transparent proxy software and the VPN client went right through his proxy like it wasn't even there. I will take a look at the FreeSwan software and see if I can get it to work with that. Thanks for the info, -BA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Glidden" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] IP MASQ & VPN > "Brian S. Armstrong" wrote: > > > > Ok- I have been lurking for quite some time and finally have an issue which > > I can't seem to find a workaround for. I just got a shiny new VPN account > > for getting back into my company's intranet via the internet. I am running > > RedHat 6.22 w/kernel 2.2.14-5.0 and using ip masquerading to provide a > > transparent proxy for my internal network to use the internet. Everything > > works fine, except for the VPN back into my company's intranet. When I plug > > the client into raw internet and use the VPN it works fine. While running > > tcpdump on the outside interface when trying to connect to the VPN, I can > > see the packets leaving my external interface destined for the VPN address, > > but no packets are ever returned from the VPN. > > The problem you're probably having is that the encrypted packets contain > your "real" address of the machine behind the Masqueraded connection. > When the packets get NAT'ed through ipmasq, that "internal" address has > already been encrypted into the payload, so when the server decrypts the > packet and tries to send a response back, instead of trying to send it > to your ipmasq box, it thinks it needs to send it to the "real" address > of your machine, which is almost certainly non-routable from the network > perspective of the VPN server. > > Generally speaking, it's very very difficult to make VPN'ed traffic pass > through a NAT'ed connection. I've seen the ip_masq VPN patch around, > but it's only supposed to work with specific types of VPN software. > > If it's some flavor of IPSEC implementation, you may have luck, if it's > some kind of proprietary thing, you probably will never get it work > where the packets get NAT'ed through your ipmasq connection. > > You may be better off installing FreeS/WAN on your ipmasq box > (www.freeswan.org) and trying to get the VPN working with it. Note, > however, that FreeS/WAN is IPSEC, so if your VPN is not IPSEC, it will > not work. > > Unfortunately, I do this kind of stuff at work and this is just the way > the vast majority of products are. Even with IPSEC a fairly > well-established standard, so many companies still do VPNs with a > proprietary 'roll-your-own' protocol that just doesn't work with > anything else. (Of course, that's the whole idea - if your server > worked with everyone else's clients, they wouldn't have to also purchase > the client licenses from you also. *sigh*) > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 13:28:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25035 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:28:12 -0400 Received: from nks.net (one.nks.net [192.168.1.21]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25032 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:28:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD4942C.FECFD912@nks.net> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:28:12 -0400 From: Eric Bravick Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IP MASQ & VPN References: <007b01c0c22c$494ebb60$c7cb1fac@BALaptop> <3AD46E52.CDD8CC78@illusionary.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Brian, what VPN product is your company running? Generally speaking, there are only 2 flavors of VPN software out there right now, TCP circuit based and IPSEC based. As described by Derek below, some of the TCP circuit based VPN's have a problem with anything NATing the packets in between the client and the server (although most modern clients have solved this problem.) IPSEC based VPN clients have a completely different set of issues associated with them, hence my question... Derek Glidden wrote: > > "Brian S. Armstrong" wrote: > > > > Ok- I have been lurking for quite some time and finally have an issue which > > I can't seem to find a workaround for. I just got a shiny new VPN account > > for getting back into my company's intranet via the internet. I am running > > RedHat 6.22 w/kernel 2.2.14-5.0 and using ip masquerading to provide a > > transparent proxy for my internal network to use the internet. Everything > > works fine, except for the VPN back into my company's intranet. When I plug > > the client into raw internet and use the VPN it works fine. While running > > tcpdump on the outside interface when trying to connect to the VPN, I can > > see the packets leaving my external interface destined for the VPN address, > > but no packets are ever returned from the VPN. > > The problem you're probably having is that the encrypted packets contain > your "real" address of the machine behind the Masqueraded connection. > When the packets get NAT'ed through ipmasq, that "internal" address has > already been encrypted into the payload, so when the server decrypts the > packet and tries to send a response back, instead of trying to send it > to your ipmasq box, it thinks it needs to send it to the "real" address > of your machine, which is almost certainly non-routable from the network > perspective of the VPN server. > > Generally speaking, it's very very difficult to make VPN'ed traffic pass > through a NAT'ed connection. I've seen the ip_masq VPN patch around, > but it's only supposed to work with specific types of VPN software. > > If it's some flavor of IPSEC implementation, you may have luck, if it's > some kind of proprietary thing, you probably will never get it work > where the packets get NAT'ed through your ipmasq connection. > > You may be better off installing FreeS/WAN on your ipmasq box > (www.freeswan.org) and trying to get the VPN working with it. Note, > however, that FreeS/WAN is IPSEC, so if your VPN is not IPSEC, it will > not work. > > Unfortunately, I do this kind of stuff at work and this is just the way > the vast majority of products are. Even with IPSEC a fairly > well-established standard, so many companies still do VPNs with a > proprietary 'roll-your-own' protocol that just doesn't work with > anything else. (Of course, that's the whole idea - if your server > worked with everyone else's clients, they wouldn't have to also purchase > the client licenses from you also. *sigh*) > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ -- -------------------------------------------------- -- Eric Bravick, Engineering Shock Trooper -- --- Networked Knowledge Systems --- ---- P.O. Box 20772 Tampa, FL. 33622-0772 ---- ----- (813)342-4140 Voice (813)342-4160 FAX ----- ------ ebravick@nks.net ------ -------------------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 13:41:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25106 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:41:46 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25103 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:41:46 -0400 Received: from mpinet.net (pop.mpinet.net [216.53.130.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA02023 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net (216-53-218-121.ppp.mpinet.net [216.53.218.121]) by mpinet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21623 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD4964B.D7422C22@mpinet.net> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:37:15 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] FTP security hole Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net No data if it effects Linux servers yet. A newly discovered security hole in the software that moves files between computers and over the Internet is a virtual open door that allows an attacker to take over and completely control vulnerable networks. PGP Security has identified a hole in File Transfer Protocol (FTP) server systems from many major vendors, including Sun Microsystems, Silicon Graphics and Hewlett Packard. "This problem has serious repercussions, including the threat of data loss and attacks against private networks," said Jim Magdych, security research manager for PGP Security. The problem is caused by a flaw in the technology that many FTP servers use to handle searches for files. This flaw can allow an attacker to take full control of the vulnerable system. Once an attacker has taken control, he can do anything on the system that the system administrator can do, including reading, replacing or deleting data, and altering the contents of websites. He can also replace downloadable files with malicious files containing viruses or other malevolent programs. The affected server can also be used as a base to launch denial of service attacks, or to break into other machines on the network. Magdych urged users of vulnerable systems to contact their vendor for patch information. The vulnerability affects commercial Unix and BSD-based File Transfer Protocol (FTP) server distributions, including FreeBSD 4.2, NetBSD 1.5, OpenBSD 2.8, HPUX 11, IRIX 6.5 and Solaris 8. PGP is not ruling out the possibility that other platforms may be vulnerable, and is working with CERT to coordinate a collection of information on all vulnerable FTP server distributions. More information can be found on the CERT Advisory CA-2001-07. Magdych said that PGP Security is also working with identified vendors to help them provide patches for the hole, and is examining other vendors' server software distributions to confirm whether their systems may also be vulnerable. "Usually, we would have held off on making the announcement until all vendors had prepared a patch, but we are concerned that news about the problem may be starting to circulate," Magdych said. Sun, Hewlett-Packard and Silicon Graphics did not respond to requests for comment. FTP servers are used by more than 90 percent of all enterprise networks to share data with employees, partners and customers, and this vulnerability could affect a significant portion of those networks, Magdych said. PGP isn't aware of any serious problems that can currently be attributed to the vulnerability, but Magdych said that as the news about the hole spreads, it's "just a matter of time." Exploiting the hole requires access to a vulnerable server, which Magdych said is not a difficult task. Once inside the system, a cracker simply creates a new directory on the server, using specific characters to name that directory. After that, the cracker runs a command that searches for the new directory, which can force the FTP server to surrender control of the system. FTP servers use a function called "glob" that allows users to conduct a search using a condensed version of a name or a word. Glob searches can flood a FTP system with data, a particularly common type of vulnerability, which then leaves the system open to exploitation by attackers, who write code that allows them to override the systems normal protective functions. Magdych said that vendors whose systems are affected were notified of the problem several weeks ago, and patches are available for some systems. Users of the affected systems should contact vendors to obtain patch information. Until all vendors release the patches, the vulnerability can be managed, to some degree, by ensuring that no directories exist in the anonymous FTP tree which are writeable by an anonymous FTP user. "Furthermore, BSD and Irix users should take care to ensure that no directory in the anonymous FTP tree has a name longer than eight characters. This will protect against anonymous users launching an attack, but users with a valid account on the system may still be able to exploit the vulnerability," Magdych said. PGP Security does not provide patches but works with vendors to inform them of problems and help them close security gaps. PGP has released an update to the company's CyberCop Scanner, a risk assessment tool that can assist users in identifying systems that may be vulnerable to the FTP vulnerability. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _______________________________________________ svlug mailing list svlug@lists.svlug.org http://lists.svlug.org/mailman/listinfo/svlug From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 13:52:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25195 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:52:42 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25192 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:52:42 -0400 Received: from ba.tzo.com (IDENT:postfix@653232hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.32.225]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA02135 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BALaptop (p17-96.tnt3.ij.net [209.4.17.96]) by ba.tzo.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AD763B49F for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008f01c0c2b0$33232db0$78821fac@BALaptop> From: "Brian S. Armstrong" To: References: <007b01c0c22c$494ebb60$c7cb1fac@BALaptop> <3AD46E52.CDD8CC78@illusionary.com> <3AD4942C.FECFD912@nks.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] IP MASQ & VPN Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:52:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The client is IPSEC based, and I have successfully gotten it to connect through a windows machine running NAT32 for proxy. it just doesn't seem to want to go through IP Masq. -BA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Bravick" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] IP MASQ & VPN > > Brian, what VPN product is your company running? > > Generally speaking, there are only 2 flavors of VPN software out there > right now, TCP circuit based and IPSEC based. > > As described by Derek below, some of the TCP circuit based VPN's have a > problem with anything NATing the packets in between the client and the > server (although most modern clients have solved this problem.) > > IPSEC based VPN clients have a completely different set of issues > associated with them, hence my question... > > Derek Glidden wrote: > > > > "Brian S. Armstrong" wrote: > > > > > > Ok- I have been lurking for quite some time and finally have an issue which > > > I can't seem to find a workaround for. I just got a shiny new VPN account > > > for getting back into my company's intranet via the internet. I am running > > > RedHat 6.22 w/kernel 2.2.14-5.0 and using ip masquerading to provide a > > > transparent proxy for my internal network to use the internet. Everything > > > works fine, except for the VPN back into my company's intranet. When I plug > > > the client into raw internet and use the VPN it works fine. While running > > > tcpdump on the outside interface when trying to connect to the VPN, I can > > > see the packets leaving my external interface destined for the VPN address, > > > but no packets are ever returned from the VPN. > > > > The problem you're probably having is that the encrypted packets contain > > your "real" address of the machine behind the Masqueraded connection. > > When the packets get NAT'ed through ipmasq, that "internal" address has > > already been encrypted into the payload, so when the server decrypts the > > packet and tries to send a response back, instead of trying to send it > > to your ipmasq box, it thinks it needs to send it to the "real" address > > of your machine, which is almost certainly non-routable from the network > > perspective of the VPN server. > > > > Generally speaking, it's very very difficult to make VPN'ed traffic pass > > through a NAT'ed connection. I've seen the ip_masq VPN patch around, > > but it's only supposed to work with specific types of VPN software. > > > > If it's some flavor of IPSEC implementation, you may have luck, if it's > > some kind of proprietary thing, you probably will never get it work > > where the packets get NAT'ed through your ipmasq connection. > > > > You may be better off installing FreeS/WAN on your ipmasq box > > (www.freeswan.org) and trying to get the VPN working with it. Note, > > however, that FreeS/WAN is IPSEC, so if your VPN is not IPSEC, it will > > not work. > > > > Unfortunately, I do this kind of stuff at work and this is just the way > > the vast majority of products are. Even with IPSEC a fairly > > well-established standard, so many companies still do VPNs with a > > proprietary 'roll-your-own' protocol that just doesn't work with > > anything else. (Of course, that's the whole idea - if your server > > worked with everyone else's clients, they wouldn't have to also purchase > > the client licenses from you also. *sigh*) > > > > -- > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > > > http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ > > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > -- Eric Bravick, Engineering Shock Trooper -- > --- Networked Knowledge Systems --- > ---- P.O. Box 20772 Tampa, FL. 33622-0772 ---- > ----- (813)342-4140 Voice (813)342-4160 FAX ----- > ------ ebravick@nks.net ------ > -------------------------------------------------- > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 14:14:37 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25362 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:14:37 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25359 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:14:37 -0400 Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id OAA02315 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cofa129-173.arts.usf.edu (HELO yahoo.com) (131.247.129.173) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 18:14:35 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD49ECD.5051C891@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:13:33 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Studio times: References: <20010411132400.19377.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mark Banschbach wrote: > > Hey Norb ! > > This friday is Good Friday and will present problems > for me.. can we move this to nextweek friday ??? > > Thanks ! > > Mark > OOPS! I forgot. Sorry about that. As for next friday, certainly a possibility (probable, if y'all want). I'll have to see if I can get anyone to open up the studio for me but it should be fine. P.S. I'm hoping I can get studio time all summer so except for the little while that I'll be out of the country we should be able to have regular meetings/jam sessions. Heck, we might even have time to get a couple of songs together and mastered!! Sound Cool to everyone? BTW, Paul, if this keeps up we might have to have another list: slug-music *L* Actually that sounds like a good name, SlugMusik... Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 14:17:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25401 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:17:22 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25398 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:17:22 -0400 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id OAA02350 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cofa129-173.arts.usf.edu (HELO yahoo.com) (131.247.129.173) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 18:17:20 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD49F72.C06A2B0C@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:16:18 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Studio times: References: <20010411140750.9046.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> <3AD466DE.E5DA5347@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I don't know how to word this without sounding like a whiner... Meaning someone who uses windows programs on their Linux box? Yeah, they don't get worse than that... *L* Well, Anita, if you can make it later this summer, we can probably find a time more suitable for all ;) Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 14:23:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25445 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:23:09 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25442 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:23:09 -0400 Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id OAA02387 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cofa129-173.arts.usf.edu (HELO yahoo.com) (131.247.129.173) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 18:23:07 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD4A0CB.4BB97CFD@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:22:03 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Studio - Friday or Saturday? References: <007b01c0c22c$494ebb60$c7cb1fac@BALaptop> <3AD46E52.CDD8CC78@illusionary.com> <3AD4942C.FECFD912@nks.net> <008f01c0c2b0$33232db0$78821fac@BALaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have 1 definite for Friday (someone who mailed me their name and instruments... thanks Shaun) and 2 who would preffer Saturday. If you can make it to the meeting tonight cast your vote there. If you can't then PLEASE mail me to see which yoou preffer/can do ASAP. I'll announce the official time for this week upon morow, in the evening (not too late... like 6 or so). I plan to be there both days anyways so worse comes to worse I can give you who come a Tour and maybe we can play arround a bit (heck, i have a final project due soon and this might just be a good a sound to use as any for the project... just filtering the hell out of it...) Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 14:30:33 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25507 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:30:33 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25504 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:30:33 -0400 Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id OAA02439 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cofa129-173.arts.usf.edu (HELO yahoo.com) (131.247.129.173) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 18:30:31 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD4A284.9098D1A6@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:29:24 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] While on the subject of Music.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net How can I listen Midi files? I try to use kmid but it keeps complaining that I don't have a midi device. Does it need a Midi port to even Listen to such files? Are there any programs that could emulate this if this is the case? (I've heard o=of one called timidity or somethign to that nature. Has anyone else?) Also, I was wonderng if anyone knew of any sythesizer programs that would emulate something like an E-Mu or a Moog Synth (or just a basic analog synthesyzer)? The only programs I've found (like the Nord programs)are programs which run on Windows (and, of course, Mac) and I might be forced to put Windows on Win4Lin (or VMware, whichever) to run those programs:( P.S. The soundcard is a Maestro 3 running on a Dell Insporion 8000 laptop. Thanks for any help. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 14:37:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25564 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:37:49 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25561 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:37:49 -0400 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id OAA02491 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cofa129-173.arts.usf.edu (HELO yahoo.com) (131.247.129.173) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 18:37:47 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD4A436.94781108@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:36:39 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: Re:[SLUG]Studio Times (P.S.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Shawn and Tina, got your votes counted ;) Oopsies! For everyone else, my previous message applies... Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 14:46:54 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25619 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:46:54 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25612 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:46:53 -0400 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id OAA02553 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32702 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2001 18:46:52 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 18:46:52 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([64.182.194.58]) by stewartsigns.com ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:46:50 -0500 From: "mike rock" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Bradenton - Sarasota Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:45:41 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3AD39CF6.40214836@tampabay.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ed, You can add me to the list of people who would go to a meeting in Sarasota. Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Ed Centanni Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:53 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bradenton - Sarasota If y'all decide to meet let me know and I'll include it in the bi-monthly announcements. Ed. > Mike Dittmeier wrote: > > I was wondering if there is any interest in having meetings the > Bradenton - Sarasota area yet. I have the trip to and from Tampa, and > would love to start having meetings here. > > Mike Dittmeier > mdittmei@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 15:31:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25989 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:31:57 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25986 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:31:54 -0400 Received: from keepandbeararms.com ([207.30.169.8]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id PAA03031 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:39:21 -0700 Message-Id: <200104111539.AA287703460@keepandbeararms.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "tom ufer" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Studio times: X-Mailer: Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>Mark Banschbach wrote: >> >> Hey Norb ! >> >> This friday is Good Friday and will present problems >> for me.. can we move this to nextweek friday ??? >> I think every Friday is a Good Friday !! From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 15:37:15 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26057 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:37:15 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26054 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:37:15 -0400 Received: from web3605.mail.yahoo.com (web3605.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.109]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id PAA03105 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010411193714.14254.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.110.67] by web3605.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:37:14 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:37:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: Re: [SLUG] Studio times: To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3AD49ECD.5051C891@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey Norb, I will be there tonight but I will cast my official Vote for Saturday AM. ( can you say Cafe con Leche ?>) Thanks ! Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 15:50:36 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26185 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:50:36 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26182 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:50:36 -0400 Received: from knuth.bish.net ([208.139.225.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id PAA03209 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knuth.bish.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id PAA03120 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:30:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:30:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Studio times: In-Reply-To: <20010411193714.14254.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Can any of these messages start to be sent only to the people interested in this? Like maybe send this message to Norb only and not the entire list? It is starting to border on SPAM. On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Mark Banschbach wrote: > Hey Norb, > > I will be there tonight but I will cast my official > Vote for Saturday AM. ( can you say Cafe con Leche > ?>) > > Thanks ! > > Mark > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | | 813.258.2390 | Network Engineer | | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 15:56:27 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26221 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:56:27 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26218 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:56:27 -0400 Received: from knuth.bish.net ([208.139.225.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id QAA03251 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knuth.bish.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id PAA03127 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:36:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:36:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [SLUG] While on the subject of Music.... In-Reply-To: <3AD4A284.9098D1A6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The 2.4.X kernels are the onlt ones that support the Maestro. I hope you are using this series. On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > How can I listen Midi files? I try to use kmid but it keeps complaining > that I don't have a midi device. Does it need a Midi port to even Listen > to such files? Are there any programs that could emulate this if this is > the case? (I've heard o=of one called timidity or somethign to that > nature. Has anyone else?) Also, I was wonderng if anyone knew of any > sythesizer programs that would emulate something like an E-Mu or a Moog > Synth (or just a basic analog synthesyzer)? The only programs I've found > (like the Nord programs)are programs which run on Windows (and, of > course, Mac) and I might be forced to put Windows on Win4Lin (or VMware, > whichever) to run those programs:( > > P.S. > The soundcard is a Maestro 3 running on a Dell Insporion 8000 laptop. > > Thanks for any help. > > Norb > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | | 813.258.2390 | Network Engineer | | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 16:23:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26526 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:23:46 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26523 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:23:46 -0400 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id QAA03508 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cofa129-173.arts.usf.edu (HELO yahoo.com) (131.247.129.173) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 20:23:45 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD4BCD8.299B9C1C@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:21:44 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] While on the subject of Music.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mark wrote: > > The 2.4.X kernels are the onlt ones that support the Maestro. I hope you > are using this series. > > On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > How can I listen Midi files? I try to use kmid but it keeps complaining > > that I don't have a midi device. Does it need a Midi port to even Listen > > to such files? Are there any programs that could emulate this if this is > > the case? (I've heard o=of one called timidity or somethign to that > > nature. Has anyone else?) Also, I was wonderng if anyone knew of any > > sythesizer programs that would emulate something like an E-Mu or a Moog > > Synth (or just a basic analog synthesyzer)? The only programs I've found > > (like the Nord programs)are programs which run on Windows (and, of > > course, Mac) and I might be forced to put Windows on Win4Lin (or VMware, > > whichever) to run those programs:( > > > > P.S. > > The soundcard is a Maestro 3 running on a Dell Insporion 8000 laptop. > > Yeah, 2.4.0 actually (I'll wait 'till 2.4.5 before I go up again ;) Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 18:33:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27674 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:33:59 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27671 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:33:58 -0400 Received: from smtp4.quixnet.net (psmtp4.array3.laserlink.net [63.65.123.54] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA04513 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home ([24.129.149.50]) by smtp4.quixnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22837 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:33:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "seth" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:34:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3AD39C70.B190463C@tampabay.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net spoons? -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Ed Centanni Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:51 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" All Right! Now we got a horn section! Ed. Anita wrote: > > Shaun Ducret wrote: > > > I play keyboards primarily (and a little guitar) and also have some > > experience with recording, engineering, post-production, sound manipulation, > > etc... > > > > I'd be thrilled to do it. > > > > -Shaun > > I can do background vocals, if you want. If I have enough notice, I also play a > little trumpet. > > Anita From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 18:39:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27713 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:39:57 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27710 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:39:57 -0400 Received: from globenet.globe-nett.com ([206.96.179.169]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA04559 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golde.timjones.com (653246hfc82.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.46.82]) by globenet.globe-nett.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3BMdq611320; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:39:53 GMT Received: (from tim@localhost) by golde.timjones.com (8.11.0/8.11.0/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) id f3BMdc130564; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:39:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:39:38 -0400 From: Tim Jones To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] While on the subject of Music.... Message-ID: <20010411183938.B30502@linuxtampa.com> References: <3AD4A284.9098D1A6@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AD4A284.9098D1A6@yahoo.com>; from niccademous@yahoo.com on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 02:29:24PM -0400 Organization: LinuxTampa.com: 100% pure Linux/FreeBSD Consultancy X-LinuxTampa: Visit http://www.linuxtampa.com to benefit from liberated software! Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 02:29:24PM -0400, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > How can I listen Midi files? I try to use kmid but it keeps complaining > that I don't have a midi device. Does it need a Midi port to even Listen > to such files? Are there any programs that could emulate this if this is > the case? (I've heard o=of one called timidity or somethign to that > nature. Has anyone else?) Also, I was wonderng if anyone knew of any > sythesizer programs that would emulate something like an E-Mu or a Moog > Synth (or just a basic analog synthesyzer)? The only programs I've found > (like the Nord programs)are programs which run on Windows (and, of > course, Mac) and I might be forced to put Windows on Win4Lin (or VMware, > whichever) to run those programs:( I lack a midi connection at all, but I use tiMIDIty++ to convert them to sounds, then pipe it to ESD. Tim -- ----------------------------------------------- Timothy Jones - LinuxTampa.com - 813-65-LINUX Open Source Programming, Databases & Networking ----------------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 20:08:13 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28155 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:08:13 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28152 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:08:13 -0400 Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA04957 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from louise (ip199.tampa7.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.6.199]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3C08AB171264 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:08:11 -0400 Message-ID: <009a01c0c2e4$bfbde880$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <007b01c0c22c$494ebb60$c7cb1fac@BALaptop> <3AD46E52.CDD8CC78@illusionary.com> <3AD4942C.FECFD912@nks.net> <008f01c0c2b0$33232db0$78821fac@BALaptop> Subject: Re: [SLUG] IP MASQ & VPN Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:07:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Have you tried this mailing list? Send Masq mailing list submissions to masq@indyramp.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit http://home.indyramp.com/mailman/listinfo/masq or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to masq-request@indyramp.com You can reach the person managing the list at masq-admin@indyramp.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian S. Armstrong > The client is IPSEC based, and I have successfully gotten it to connect > through a windows machine running NAT32 for proxy. it just doesn't seem to > want to go through IP Masq. > -BA > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 22:35:24 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28580 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:35:24 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28577 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:35:23 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA05414 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14nW2Q-0003qj-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:36:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:36:46 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] (FWD) Information about Linux PDA Message-ID: <20010411213646.E13944@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net In case anyone's interested.... Funny thing, though. They're pushing Linux, but their HTML file extensions are .htm Paul ----- Forwarded message from gmate@gmate.co.kr ----- From: gmate@gmate.co.kr To: Subject: Information about Linux PDA Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:47:59 +0900 Message-ID: G.Mate, Inc. is one of leading companies which has developed the world's first Linux Color PDA. >From January 21, 2001, we have been selling the YOPY Development Kit to activate the development of applied programs and to enlarge Linux environment with enthusiastic works of the Linux supporters and the developers. Most of the purchasers from 30 countries of the world have acknowledged that the YDK is a great device for developing various applications. We are going to sell the YDK for a special sale price for the limited period from April 11 to May 10, 2001 in order to thank the people for their purchase of the YDK and to expand the Linux environment more. The YDK-1000 includes not only the YOPY device itself but also YOPY software development and Linux source package solution. By sharing Linux PDA solution G.Mate has developed with the developers we hope let the developers have an opportunity to cut down their precious time and expense and create useful and various applications. Please click the following address for more information. http://www.gmate.com/english/products/development_kit.htm Thanks a lot, CEO & President Jae-Heon Lee List Removal/OPT-OUT option Click here ¢ºwww.gmate.co.kr ¢ºwww.yopy.com ¢ºwww.yopydeveloper.org gmate@gmate.co.kr 3F, Kyundong Bldg. 4-4, Suenae-Dong, Pundang-Ku Sungnam-Si, Kyunggi-Do, Korea ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 22:57:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28647 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:57:00 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28644 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:56:59 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA05485 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14nWNK-0003rA-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:58:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:58:22 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Check out this story: Message-ID: <20010411215822.H13944@quillandmouse.com> References: <3AD44FA1.BAE2E66F@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AD44FA1.BAE2E66F@yahoo.com>; from niccademous@yahoo.com on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 08:35:45AM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 08:35:45AM -0400, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/04/10/1522253 > > Should IBM buy Corel? It certainly would be interesting (I'd be happy > with it). > The scenario would definitely be poetic justice. Some problems, though. Microsoft managed to netscape Netscape by bundling IE with Windows. IBM can't pull off a similar trick, because they don't have an OS (beside Linux) to do it with. Vendors often bundle MSOffice with PCs (perceived no cost), so making Word Perfect free doesn't gain much there. And if all your people are trained on Word, are you going to spend $100-$250 per seat to upgrade and no training cost, or get Word Perfect for free and have to retrain everyone? Second, I'm not sure this actually cut off Netscape's air supply per se. According to Netscape's figures when they made Communicator free, that software accounted for only about 4.7% of their revenue, hardly enough to "cut off their air supply." Something's not right there. Either that 4.7% figure is incorrect, or Netscape had other problems. Most software companies run at a higher margin than 4.7%, so the worst that should have happened was that they tightened their belts and stayed in business. Third, Corel's suite products aren't Linux-based, any of them. IBM could buy Corel and release them to the open source community, but would you want to hack at Windows-based code? Corel obviously thinks it's a daunting port, since they've hacked Wine instead of their own code. But yeah, it would by poetic. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 23:29:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28702 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:29:58 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28699 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:29:58 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA05594 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3C3TvC01230 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD5218C.F6D7CD7C@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:31:24 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel Memory Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net It's not a real file -- it's in the /proc pseudo filesystem which is a kind of window into the kernel that acts like a directory. To see it type "cat /proc/meminfo" from the command line. Ed. mike rock wrote: > > I too took a look at my /proc/meminfo and found,,,, nothing at all!! I have > version 2.2.17-14. Is 2.4 the only version to populate that file? > > Michael C. Rock > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Ed Centanni > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:47 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel Memory Question > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > > > > Ed Centanni wrote: > > > > > > > > When I take a look at /proc/meminfo (kernel version 2.4.0 (4GB RAM > > > > enabled) I find that almost a third of my RAM is classified as > > > > "Inact_dirty". Does anyone have a good explanation of what this > means. > > > > The kernel source code "fs/proc/proc_misc.c" gets this value from > > > > K(nr_inactive_dirty_pages). > > > > > > > > Please -- no porn site jokes. > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > Ed. > > > > > > > P.P.P.S. > > > > What/Who is TIA? Tampa International Airport? > > > > Thanks In Advance. > > Ed. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 23:32:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28721 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:32:46 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28718 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:32:45 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA05617 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3C3WiC02283 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD52235.CA1843C5@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:34:13 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Shoe horns or Shoe spoons? Ed. seth wrote: > > spoons? > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Ed Centanni > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:51 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" > > All Right! Now we got a horn section! > > Ed. > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 11 23:47:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28758 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:47:09 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28755 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:47:09 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA05658 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14nX9s-0003rc-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:48:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:48:32 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] SLUG Banner Message-ID: <20010411224832.L13944@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks: For those not at the Tampa meeting tonight, you missed the SLUG Banner. Bill Triplett (through the company he works for, Graphics & Design, Inc.) has done up a 3'x6' or so banner for SLUG, with the logo and big Tux on it. Very sweet. We'll be using it at the CTS show. (We'll be like _real_ exhibitors this time!) Thanks go out to Bill for a great job, and we'll be putting up a link to his company on the sponsors page, as soon as I get a logo from him. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 00:04:45 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28807 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:04:45 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28804 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:04:44 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA05720 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653284hfc40.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.84.40]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3C44hC11340 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD52958.7040404@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:04:40 -0400 From: Tim Spalding User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19-2mdk i686; en-US; 0.8.1) Gecko/20010328 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IP MASQ & VPN References: <007b01c0c22c$494ebb60$c7cb1fac@BALaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Brian S. Armstrong wrote: > RedHat 6.22 w/kernel 2.2.14-5.0 and using ip masquerading to provide a > > I have found several howto's online pertaining to getting VPN to go through > ip masquerading. All of them state that I need to patch the kernel with the > following command: > zcat ip_masq_vpn.patch.gz | patch -l -p0 > vpn-patch.log 2>&1 > > Where the patch file is the ip_masq_vpn.patch.gz file. I have downloaded > the latest version of this file and placed it in the correct directory > according to the howto's. When I try to execute the above command, while > under /usr/src (as the howto states to do it), in the vpn-patch.log file I > get the following message: > > > can't find file to patch at input line 3 > Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? > The text leading up to this was: > -------------------------- > |*** ip_masq.c.orig Sat Nov 13 19:15:18 1999 > |--- ip_masq.c Mon Nov 15 17:03:24 1999 > -------------------------- > File to patch: > Skip this patch? [y] > Skipping patch. > 2 out of 2 hunks ignored > > > I am at a loss. None of the online documentation I have been able to find > has any information about this error. Does anyone have any ideas? Ah. Well, like the error message says, you tried to apply the patch in the wrong place. With a later 2.2 kernel on a Red Hat system, you probably want to apply the patch to (run the command from within) /usr/src/linux/net/ipv4/ since that's where all the other masquerading stuff seems to live. Since the IP masquerading code itself is being patched, re-building your kernel should do the trick. Slightly wandering from the topic at hand, you might want to consider looking for a more recent kernel package. You say you're running 2.2.14, but from what I've read you should probably be running at least 2.2.17. The 2.2.16 release fixed a LOT of security problems, as I recall, and 2.2.17 fixed many (most?) of the bugs and rough spots that got out in 2.2.16. And of course the current version is 2.2.19 with additional goodies. I haven't kept track of the Red Hat releases, but I can tell you that if Red Hat doesn't have a current package you can use, Mandrake does. Look on one of the mirror sites for a kernel22-source-* package. That should likely get you most of where you need to go. Hope it helps. Good luck! From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 00:13:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28834 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:13:05 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28831 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:13:04 -0400 Received: from fl-mta03.durocom.com (fl-mta03.durocom.com [216.53.195.244]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA05737 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.119]) by fl-mta03.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010412041029.FLZH29227.fl-mta03@mpinet.net> for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:10:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD52A41.61328E65@mpinet.net> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:08:33 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 References: <01041101035800.03087@A2L1.gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net A2L1 wrote: > > Well i just downloaded and installed Mandrake 8 RC1 and included was the > package for Mandrake Campus---seems that Mandrake is offering a FREE online > linux schooling/course all you have to do is sign up--dont see anywhere > where it requires Mandrake registration etc---this may be of interest to some > of the SLUG members---just thought I would pass it along > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/pr-e_services.php3 > > AJ This link is DEAD! Please provide the correct one. Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 00:45:41 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28962 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:45:41 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28959 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:45:40 -0400 Received: from smtppop1pub.verizon.net (smtppop1pub.gte.net [206.46.170.20]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA05867 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from A2L1.gte.net (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id XAA86495061 Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:28:13 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:34:52 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01041101035800.03087@A2L1.gte.net> <3AD52A41.61328E65@mpinet.net> In-Reply-To: <3AD52A41.61328E65@mpinet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041201345200.01797@A2L1.gte.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Gee--I would have figured anyone could look at Mandrake-linux.com and find it but here is the link direct!!! http://www.mandrakecampus.com/ the other link was right from the text---I just went to the homepage and found the proper link----- On Thursday 12 April 2001 00:08, you wrote: > A2L1 wrote: > > Well i just downloaded and installed Mandrake 8 RC1 and included was the > > package for Mandrake Campus---seems that Mandrake is offering a FREE > > online linux schooling/course all you have to do is sign up--dont see > > anywhere where it requires Mandrake registration etc---this may be of > > interest to some of the SLUG members---just thought I would pass it along > > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/pr-e_services.php3 > > > > AJ > > This link is DEAD! > Please provide the correct one. > Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 00:55:11 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29000 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:55:11 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28997 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:55:10 -0400 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id BAA05948 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc02.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.2) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2001 04:55:08 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD534EA.FB1392FE@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:54:02 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Recording... how about "Frozen Phoenix" References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net seth wrote: > > spoons? > You'd be surprised how good they sound with sax and reverb. I've been in "bands" with pots, spoons, violins, out-of-tune pianos and screws. Trust me, the weirder the instruments, the cooler the sound. Now, if we can just do that with scrapping computer parts and making other "things" that could run GNU/Linux.... ;) Hmm... GNU/Linux powered bagpipes..... Maybe that's a job for NetBSD... Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 00:58:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29019 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:58:01 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29016 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:58:01 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA05962 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653284hfc40.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.84.40]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3C4w0C00894 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD535D7.1030606@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:57:59 -0400 From: Tim Spalding User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19-2mdk i686; en-US; 0.8.1) Gecko/20010328 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Check out this story: References: <3AD44FA1.BAE2E66F@yahoo.com> <20010411215822.H13944@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 08:35:45AM -0400, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > >> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/04/10/1522253 >> >> Should IBM buy Corel? It certainly would be interesting (I'd be happy >> with it). >> > The scenario would definitely be poetic justice. Some problems, though. And just a couple of minor points I'd like to interject. > Microsoft managed to netscape Netscape by bundling IE with Windows. IBM > can't pull off a similar trick, because they don't have an OS (beside > Linux) to do it with. Thing is, though, with Word Perfect free, it would make its way into all the major distributions. That would make it comparable to M$ Office being bundled with systems. > And if all your people are trained on Word, are you going to spend $100-$250 > per seat to upgrade and no training cost, or get Word Perfect for free > and have to retrain everyone? I remember from Corel's demo that WPO2k can be configured to mimic M$ Office's menu structures, toolbars, and the like. So the required training might be minimal. > Third, Corel's suite products aren't Linux-based, any of them. IBM could > buy Corel and release them to the open source community, but would you > want to hack at Windows-based code? Corel obviously thinks it's a > daunting port, since they've hacked Wine instead of their own code. According to Corel, their Linux ports have been Wine-based simply so they could capitalize on their existing (Windows) code base and get products shipping as quickly as possible. The estimate I recall for creating Linux-native products would have been about two years, and Corel didn't want to wait that long to get saleable products to market. But two years would have been with Corel's staff, which was also working on maintaining and improving that same Windows code base. If the Open Source community got control of the code, wouldn't it likely take much less time to make the code portable. More eyes, and all that. And one other thought occurs to me. While I know _I_ have no interest in hacking Windows code, I know that there are some out there who do. Take for example the Windows ports of Gnome, Gimp, and the like. Then consider what an Open Source release of WPO2k would do to the playing field purely on the Windows platform. Would vendors rather pay an OEM fee to bundle M$ Office, or pay nothing for a (comparable, if not superior) office suite? Since Office is one of Micro$oft's primary income bases, that would be hitting them right where it hurts. And they'd be able to do little or nothing about it. > But yeah, it would be poetic. Abso-fraggin-lutely. And if IBM can do it at effectively no cost to them, the question very nearly devolves to "Why not?" Certainly food for thought. Anyone feel up to drafting an open letter to IBM? From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 01:00:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29040 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:00:57 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29037 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:00:57 -0400 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id BAA05976 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc02.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.2) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2001 05:00:56 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD53644.5E02CEDC@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:59:48 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] Gnome 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ANyone play with this puppy yet? I know many are waiting for the RPMs/DEBs to come out. Anyone try a build of it? Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 01:09:16 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29111 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:09:16 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29108 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:09:15 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA06029 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653284hfc40.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.84.40]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3C59EC05470 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD53879.4050609@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:09:13 -0400 From: Tim Spalding User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19-2mdk i686; en-US; 0.8.1) Gecko/20010328 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] While on the subject of Music.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Norbert Cartagena wrote: >> How can I listen Midi files? I try to use kmid but it keeps complaining >> that I don't have a midi device. >> >> P.S. >> The soundcard is a Maestro 3 running on a Dell Insporion 8000 laptop. That's it. The Maestro drivers only support PCM. No direct MIDI/FM synthesis. Using Timidity should fill the gap nicely, though. > Mark wrote: > > The 2.4.X kernels are the only ones that support the Maestro. I hope you > are using this series. Good news. The Maestro 1 and 2 have been supported for some time. The Maestro 3 drivers are very new on the scene. (Word had it that ESS was being difficult, refusing to release either drivers or specs. Whether that changed, or someone managed to reverse-engineer a Maestro 3, I haven't heard.) The short of it is, though, that the Maestro 3 is supported (such as it is) by kernel versions 2.4.0 and up, as well as 2.2.19 and up. Hope the info helps. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 01:12:38 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29132 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:12:38 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29129 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:12:38 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA06047 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653284hfc40.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.84.40]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3C5CbC06742 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD53944.6040004@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:12:36 -0400 From: Tim Spalding User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19-2mdk i686; en-US; 0.8.1) Gecko/20010328 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Gnome 1.4 References: <3AD53644.5E02CEDC@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Norbert Cartagena wrote: > ANyone play with this puppy yet? I know many are waiting for the > RPMs/DEBs to come out. Anyone try a build of it? Mandrake has had RPMs on their cooker sites for a little while now. I haven't tried any yet, though. At this rate, I'm probably going to wait for Mandrake 8 to go gold, download the ISO images, and either upgrade or install fresh. ftp://ftp.twoguys.org/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/devel/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS is a good, fast location to grab newer Mandrake packages from. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 01:35:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29235 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:35:55 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29232 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:35:54 -0400 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id BAA06158 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc02.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.2) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2001 05:35:53 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD53E6A.7C78688C@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 01:34:34 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] While on the subject of Music.... References: <3AD53879.4050609@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tim Spalding wrote: > > >> On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > >> How can I listen Midi files? I try to use kmid but it keeps complaining > >> that I don't have a midi device. > >> > >> P.S. > >> The soundcard is a Maestro 3 running on a Dell Insporion 8000 laptop. > > That's it. The Maestro drivers only support PCM. No direct MIDI/FM synthesis. > Using Timidity should fill the gap nicely, though. > > > Mark wrote: > > > > The 2.4.X kernels are the only ones that support the Maestro. I hope you > > are using this series. > > Good news. The Maestro 1 and 2 have been supported for some time. The Maestro > 3 drivers are very new on the scene. (Word had it that ESS was being difficult, > refusing to release either drivers or specs. Whether that changed, or someone > managed to reverse-engineer a Maestro 3, I haven't heard.) The short of it is, > though, that the Maestro 3 is supported (such as it is) by kernel versions 2.4.0 > and up, as well as 2.2.19 and up. > > Hope the info helps. Thanks. It helps a bit. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 07:06:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30339 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:06:05 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30336 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:06:05 -0400 Received: from mail01.san.yahoo.com (mail01.san.yahoo.com [209.132.1.35]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id HAA07475 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (65.32.44.26) by mail01.san.yahoo.com (5.1.062) id 3ACA395D0082B4CA for slug@nks.net; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 03:59:19 -0700 From: Tina Gasperson Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:10:45 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: slug@nks.net References: <3AD44FA1.BAE2E66F@yahoo.com> <20010411215822.H13944@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20010411215822.H13944@quillandmouse.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Check out this story: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041207104500.01248@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net OK guys, I love the discussion... someday, you will all go to the discussion board at Newsforge and gnosh like this... and then my joy will be complete. :-) -tina From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 07:59:36 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30430 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:59:36 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30427 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:59:35 -0400 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id IAA07596 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23347 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2001 11:59:34 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 12 Apr 2001 11:59:34 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([64.182.194.58]) by stewartsigns.com ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 06:59:33 -0500 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Kernel Memory Question--thank you ed Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:58:33 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3AD5218C.F6D7CD7C@tampabay.rr.com> Importance: Normal Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks Ed ,,,again for being so helpful. Michael C. Rock From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 09:02:48 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30624 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:02:48 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30621 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:02:47 -0400 Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA07826 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [63.14.11.12] (1Cust12.tnt2.zephyrhills.fl.da.uu.net [63.14.11.12]) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05709 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 06:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104121302.GAA05709@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:33:17 -0400 Subject: [SLUG] Desktop Distro From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey everyone, Since we're talking about Corel WPO vs MS Office, we're therefor talking about the desktop (Hmmm...Capt. Kirk, in the background: "The Desktop, the Final Frontier..."). My thought on this is: what would be included in a Desktop Distro? I mean, stripped down to the bone and then built back up. I realize that the overall community has had some not-so-good experiences with this, since we're used to Linux doing everything. But I'm thinking about a Linux distro that wouldn't even look like Linux. I would do all that Windows currently does (except crash! :-). You would walk in to someone's home, and they would show you the $300 1.5 Ghz system they bought including monitor (it's so cheap because the OS is free!) and how they go on the internet (You open KDE's browser, and your computer knows enough to start kppp to get you connected to the net, all you have to supply is the username and password). They fire up their Corel WPO or kOffice (since I'm doing the KDE theme here, but any GUI/WM office suite would do) and type up a paper in support of the local PTA. Later on, they get an email saying that DSL/Cable Modem service is available in their area, and they jump right on it. The company sends a self install kit, and our computer "expert" plugs in the DSL/Cable modem to the USB port (yup, USB) and the computer recognizes it right away and now you're surfin' at 40 Kpbs or more...and recognizes that the telephone isn't necessary to get on the net. Our friend then goes to work the next day and sees something completely different, but his company just saved $5000 on new systems because the OS is free! :-) All the machines at work easily connect to each other with a very minimum of fuss. All you need to do at work is file sharing, some spreadsheets, keep up with putting new contact information into the database, write a few emails to his co-workers in Ireland...general office stuff... Our friend doesn't need most of the things Linux provides. So, based on this scenario, what would go into a Desktop Distro? Russell ____________________________________________________ _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 09:58:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30970 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:58:59 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30967 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:58:58 -0400 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id KAA08107 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bpreece (user-33qtsg6.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.242.6]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA30418 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901c0c358$c9d08c00$fa51090a@bpreece> From: "Bill Preece" To: Subject: [SLUG] A word of thanks Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:59:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I wanted to say thanks to both Jeff , and Derek for getting my sound working :). Btw now it is working at full volume and sounds great again thanks. I have been trying for over 2 months . :) Also Derek that layout looks great for the NKS Network. I also want to say thanks to all who are working on the CTS this time we will not only be the hit of the show, we will take it to the next level for sure. Everyone has been great and I appreciate the help. I can not thank each enough. I am sure Scott the promoter of this show will have to consider in making a complete show case for us. Let's hope. Thanks. Bill Preece From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 10:09:37 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31178 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:09:37 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31174 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:09:36 -0400 Received: from fl-mta03.durocom.com (fl-mta03.durocom.com [216.53.195.244]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id KAA08180 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.121]) by fl-mta03.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010412140700.GBCX29227.fl-mta03@mpinet.net> for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:07:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD5B611.5F5B038D@mpinet.net> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:05:05 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Gnome 1.4 References: <3AD53644.5E02CEDC@yahoo.com> <3AD53944.6040004@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tim Spalding wrote: > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > ANyone play with this puppy yet? I know many are waiting for the > > RPMs/DEBs to come out. Anyone try a build of it? > > Mandrake has had RPMs on their cooker sites for a little while now. I haven't > tried any yet, though. At this rate, I'm probably going to wait for Mandrake 8 > to go gold, download the ISO images, and either upgrade or install fresh. > > ftp://ftp.twoguys.org/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/devel/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS > is a good, fast location to grab newer Mandrake packages from. How about purchasing the distribution and help to keep them in business! Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 12:15:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32762 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:15:01 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32759 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:15:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD5D485.A57A4296@illusionary.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:15:01 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] (FWD) Information about Linux PDA References: <20010411213646.E13944@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > > In case anyone's interested.... Funny thing, though. They're pushing > Linux, but their HTML file extensions are .htm [...] > G.Mate, Inc. is one of leading companies which has developed the world's > first Linux Color PDA. The Yopy actually looks really, really cool. (I say "looks" because I don't know of anyone who's used one yet. Still strictly vaporware as far as anyone can tell.) The closest thing currently on the market is the compaq iPAQ handheld device, which is a remarkably similar piece of hardware. (Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the Yopy was prototyped on Digital-ne`-Compaq's 'Itsy' project, which is also the father of the iPAQ handheld.) G-Mate has had some hiccups with the community at first, by not making the source for their kernel easily available, but they rectified that pretty quickly. The developers have been pretty good about answering questions on their message boards, although the answers do sound, not surprisingly, like badly translated Korean... :) I'd really *really* love it if they released the source for their PIM apps, as the iPAQ Linux port is in desperate need of something like that. (Even if there's only a decent way of getting the binaries to run on the iPAQ, I'd be happy.) Unfortunately, nobody at G-Mate or Samsung (who are producing the device) have commented on whether or not it will be available in the U.S. market. If it is, I am definitely planning on getting one. If not, I guess I'll have to try to get one imported. And no price has ever been definitely set, although ~$500 has been mentioned here and there. (Although right now looking at gmate's website - http://www.gmate.co.kr/ - I see you can buy a "discounted" developer version for "only" $590, which is 25% off... I hope they don't go the Newton path and price the units into extinction.) Also unfortunately, since the hardware specs are so similar to the iPAQ handheld, I have the feeling they will have some of the same issues with their Linux port, namely getting power management that works on the StrongARM platform, which for whatever reason has been hell on wheels for the iPAQ team to get working properly. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 17:52:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03735 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:52:49 -0400 Received: from nks.net (one.nks.net [192.168.1.21]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03732 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:52:48 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD623B0.F515AEB6@nks.net> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:52:48 -0400 From: Eric Bravick Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IP MASQ & VPN References: <007b01c0c22c$494ebb60$c7cb1fac@BALaptop> <3AD46E52.CDD8CC78@illusionary.com> <3AD4942C.FECFD912@nks.net> <008f01c0c2b0$33232db0$78821fac@BALaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ah. I don't think that the 2.2.14 IP Chains stuff knows about protocol 50,51 (IPSEC) so your box is probably just discarding those packets. IPSEC packets are not IP packets, so there has to be something in the stack that understands them. I think there was a patch out for this, but the last time we looked at the older Chains stuff, I don't think my guys actually got this working. I would recommend that you upgrade to 2.4 and use the newer Netfilter stuff, which does support protocol 50,51 and has the tools to build rules for passing it. Of course, I could just be smoking crack, but I believe this is your problem and best solution. Besides, 2.4 and Netfilter is just cooler. "Brian S. Armstrong" wrote: > > The client is IPSEC based, and I have successfully gotten it to connect > through a windows machine running NAT32 for proxy. it just doesn't seem to > want to go through IP Masq. > > -BA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Bravick" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:28 PM > Subject: Re: [SLUG] IP MASQ & VPN > > > > > Brian, what VPN product is your company running? > > > > Generally speaking, there are only 2 flavors of VPN software out there > > right now, TCP circuit based and IPSEC based. > > > > As described by Derek below, some of the TCP circuit based VPN's have a > > problem with anything NATing the packets in between the client and the > > server (although most modern clients have solved this problem.) > > > > IPSEC based VPN clients have a completely different set of issues > > associated with them, hence my question... > > > > Derek Glidden wrote: > > > > > > "Brian S. Armstrong" wrote: > > > > > > > > Ok- I have been lurking for quite some time and finally have an issue > which > > > > I can't seem to find a workaround for. I just got a shiny new VPN > account > > > > for getting back into my company's intranet via the internet. I am > running > > > > RedHat 6.22 w/kernel 2.2.14-5.0 and using ip masquerading to provide a > > > > transparent proxy for my internal network to use the internet. > Everything > > > > works fine, except for the VPN back into my company's intranet. When > I plug > > > > the client into raw internet and use the VPN it works fine. While > running > > > > tcpdump on the outside interface when trying to connect to the VPN, I > can > > > > see the packets leaving my external interface destined for the VPN > address, > > > > but no packets are ever returned from the VPN. > > > > > > The problem you're probably having is that the encrypted packets contain > > > your "real" address of the machine behind the Masqueraded connection. > > > When the packets get NAT'ed through ipmasq, that "internal" address has > > > already been encrypted into the payload, so when the server decrypts the > > > packet and tries to send a response back, instead of trying to send it > > > to your ipmasq box, it thinks it needs to send it to the "real" address > > > of your machine, which is almost certainly non-routable from the network > > > perspective of the VPN server. > > > > > > Generally speaking, it's very very difficult to make VPN'ed traffic pass > > > through a NAT'ed connection. I've seen the ip_masq VPN patch around, > > > but it's only supposed to work with specific types of VPN software. > > > > > > If it's some flavor of IPSEC implementation, you may have luck, if it's > > > some kind of proprietary thing, you probably will never get it work > > > where the packets get NAT'ed through your ipmasq connection. > > > > > > You may be better off installing FreeS/WAN on your ipmasq box > > > (www.freeswan.org) and trying to get the VPN working with it. Note, > > > however, that FreeS/WAN is IPSEC, so if your VPN is not IPSEC, it will > > > not work. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do this kind of stuff at work and this is just the way > > > the vast majority of products are. Even with IPSEC a fairly > > > well-established standard, so many companies still do VPNs with a > > > proprietary 'roll-your-own' protocol that just doesn't work with > > > anything else. (Of course, that's the whole idea - if your server > > > worked with everyone else's clients, they wouldn't have to also purchase > > > the client licenses from you also. *sigh*) > > > > > > -- > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > > > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > > > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > > > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > > > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > > > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > > > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > > > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > > > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > > > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > > > > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > > > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > > > > > http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ > > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------- > > -- Eric Bravick, Engineering Shock Trooper -- > > --- Networked Knowledge Systems --- > > ---- P.O. Box 20772 Tampa, FL. 33622-0772 ---- > > ----- (813)342-4140 Voice (813)342-4160 FAX ----- > > ------ ebravick@nks.net ------ > > -------------------------------------------------- > > -- -------------------------------------------------- -- Eric Bravick, Engineering Shock Trooper -- --- Networked Knowledge Systems --- ---- P.O. Box 20772 Tampa, FL. 33622-0772 ---- ----- (813)342-4140 Voice (813)342-4160 FAX ----- ------ ebravick@nks.net ------ -------------------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 19:17:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04361 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:17:09 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04358 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:17:09 -0400 Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA12232 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from louise (ip50.tampa7.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.6.50]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3CNGvw90402 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:16:57 -0400 Message-ID: <005801c0c3a6$c1377b00$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <200104101555.IAA00876@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] All Show Volunteers Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:13:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Wednesday till late I was at a job site "out standing in the field". But I want to let you know that I can bring to the show either or both of two boxes. 1) the pc I brought last month P166 32mb ram, RH7.0, with a Samba share of 1G disk. 2) PII-350 64mb ram, with either Win98 AutoCAD 14, or with RH7.0 (maybe 7.1?). Would either or both of these help? ----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bill Preece" > > If anyone will not be able to attend please e-mail me > > so we can fill in the details. > > Thanks > > Bill Preece > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 20:38:43 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04776 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:38:43 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04773 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:38:42 -0400 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id UAA12606 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc237.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.237) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2001 00:38:41 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD64A53.92C3B449@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:37:39 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Official Studio time References: <200104101555.IAA00876@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> <005801c0c3a6$c1377b00$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Saturday, 12pm, SYCOM Studions, USF. (time had to be bumped up a couple... sorry. Couldn't do earlier). If anyone has any questions, please e-mail them to me. Hope to see you interested folks there ;) Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 21:19:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05018 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:19:44 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05015 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:19:44 -0400 Received: from fl-mta03.durocom.com (fl-mta03.durocom.com [216.53.195.244]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA12892 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.4]) by fl-mta03.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010413011707.HVQY29227.fl-mta03@mpinet.net> for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:17:07 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD6531F.ECE24E39@mpinet.net> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:15:11 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 mandrakecampus does not work! References: <01041101035800.03087@A2L1.gte.net> <3AD52A41.61328E65@mpinet.net> <01041201345200.01797@A2L1.gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net A2L1 wrote: > > Gee--I would have figured anyone could look at Mandrake-linux.com and find it > but here is the link direct!!! > > http://www.mandrakecampus.com/ > the other link was right from the text---I just went to the homepage and > found the proper link----- Mandrake has some serious bugs to work out of the registration program. After completing all the information, it kept giving me error messages that I left spaces or blank fields in the boxes! Just to advise all interested, at the moment you will waste your time. Smitty > > On Thursday 12 April 2001 00:08, you wrote: > > A2L1 wrote: > > > Well i just downloaded and installed Mandrake 8 RC1 and included was the > > > package for Mandrake Campus---seems that Mandrake is offering a FREE > > > online linux schooling/course all you have to do is sign up--dont see > > > anywhere where it requires Mandrake registration etc---this may be of > > > interest to some of the SLUG members---just thought I would pass it along > > > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/pr-e_services.php3 > > > > > > AJ > > > > This link is DEAD! > > Please provide the correct one. > > Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 22:31:35 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05332 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:31:35 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05329 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:31:35 -0400 Received: from smtppop1pub.verizon.net (smtppop1pub.gte.net [206.46.170.20]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA13147 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from A2L1.gte.net (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id VAA87909818 Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:21:43 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 additional Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:28:26 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041223282600.01842@A2L1.gte.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I forgot to mention that the eazel services that is installed with mandrake 8 is fully functional and is kinda neat will do the install and all for any prog you pick from their files---things are lookin up!! From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 12 22:36:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05380 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:36:49 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05377 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:36:48 -0400 Received: from smtppop1pub.verizon.net (smtppop1pub.gte.net [206.46.170.20]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA13186 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from A2L1.gte.net (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with SMTP ; id VAA90492060 Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:15:34 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net, Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 mandrakecampus does not work! Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:22:18 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01041101035800.03087@A2L1.gte.net> <01041201345200.01797@A2L1.gte.net> <3AD6531F.ECE24E39@mpinet.net> In-Reply-To: <3AD6531F.ECE24E39@mpinet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041223221800.01789@A2L1.gte.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I registered just fine---you cant leave any spaces empty like between your firsr name and middle initial---either skip the space or leave out the initial----I know quite a few other people who have registered with no problem In any case it is a good free program and helpfull to everyone from beginner to sys admin ---worth a peet AJ On Thursday 12 April 2001 21:15, Smitty wrote: > A2L1 wrote: > > Gee--I would have figured anyone could look at Mandrake-linux.com and > > find it but here is the link direct!!! > > > > http://www.mandrakecampus.com/ > > the other link was right from the text---I just went to the homepage and > > found the proper link----- > > Mandrake has some serious bugs to work out of the registration program. > After completing all the information, it kept giving me error messages > that I left spaces or blank fields in the boxes! > Just to advise all interested, at the moment you will waste your time. > Smitty > > > On Thursday 12 April 2001 00:08, you wrote: > > > A2L1 wrote: > > > > Well i just downloaded and installed Mandrake 8 RC1 and included was > > > > the package for Mandrake Campus---seems that Mandrake is offering a > > > > FREE online linux schooling/course all you have to do is sign > > > > up--dont see anywhere where it requires Mandrake registration > > > > etc---this may be of interest to some of the SLUG members---just > > > > thought I would pass it along > > > > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/pr-e_services.php3 > > > > > > > > AJ > > > > > > This link is DEAD! > > > Please provide the correct one. > > > Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 13 00:56:35 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06320 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:56:35 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06317 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:56:35 -0400 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id BAA13890 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc237.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.237) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2001 04:56:34 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD68675.6E9D80F5@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:54:13 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] WinXP on Music for the masses... Let them eat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Just saw this on Slashdot, though it was interested, You guys might want to send this link to any audio[hiles you know that use Windblows. http://www.canoe.ca/MoneyWSJ/wsj2-dow.html Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 13 01:00:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06358 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:00:08 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06355 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:00:07 -0400 Received: from fl-mta03.durocom.com (fl-mta03.durocom.com [216.53.195.244]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA13924 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.94]) by fl-mta03.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010413045730.ISFE29227.fl-mta03@mpinet.net>; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:57:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD686C5.A87ECDFC@mpinet.net> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:55:33 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: A2L1 , slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 mandrakecampus does not work! References: <01041101035800.03087@A2L1.gte.net> <01041201345200.01797@A2L1.gte.net> <3AD6531F.ECE24E39@mpinet.net> <01041223221800.01789@A2L1.gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I tried it with my original password again and it would not register. I changed the password and the registration went through. Wierd. Smitty A2L1 wrote: > > I registered just fine---you cant leave any spaces empty like between your > firsr name and middle initial---either skip the space or leave out the > initial----I know quite a few other people who have registered with no problem > In any case it is a good free program and helpfull to everyone from beginner > to sys admin ---worth a peet > AJ > > On Thursday 12 April 2001 21:15, Smitty wrote: > > A2L1 wrote: > > > Gee--I would have figured anyone could look at Mandrake-linux.com and > > > find it but here is the link direct!!! > > > > > > http://www.mandrakecampus.com/ > > > the other link was right from the text---I just went to the homepage and > > > found the proper link----- > > > > Mandrake has some serious bugs to work out of the registration program. > > After completing all the information, it kept giving me error messages > > that I left spaces or blank fields in the boxes! > > Just to advise all interested, at the moment you will waste your time. > > Smitty > > > > > On Thursday 12 April 2001 00:08, you wrote: > > > > A2L1 wrote: > > > > > Well i just downloaded and installed Mandrake 8 RC1 and included was > > > > > the package for Mandrake Campus---seems that Mandrake is offering a > > > > > FREE online linux schooling/course all you have to do is sign > > > > > up--dont see anywhere where it requires Mandrake registration > > > > > etc---this may be of interest to some of the SLUG members---just > > > > > thought I would pass it along > > > > > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/pr-e_services.php3 > > > > > > > > > > AJ > > > > > > > > This link is DEAD! > > > > Please provide the correct one. > > > > Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 13 07:20:11 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08881 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:20:11 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA08878 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:20:11 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id HAA16103 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.localdomain (24129149hfc50.tampabay.rr.com [24.129.149.50]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3DBK9S09843 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Seth To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 additional Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:21:03 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01041223282600.01842@A2L1.gte.net> In-Reply-To: <01041223282600.01842@A2L1.gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041307210301.04724@home.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I will second that on eazel services and nautilus, I installed 2 programs yesterday by simply clicking on a button and then giving my root password for the install. That was it! my only complaint is that I can't figure out how to turn off nautilus. I emailed eazel about it and they said it was designed to remain always on as windows exploere is. then they said I could use "nautilus --quit" that does it but then it starts back up again. annoying! Seth On Thursday 12 April 2001 23:28, you wrote: > I forgot to mention that the eazel services that is installed with mandrake > 8 is fully functional and is kinda neat will do the install and all for any > prog you pick from their files---things are lookin up!! From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 13 08:09:52 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09165 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:09:52 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09162 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:09:52 -0400 Received: from web3601.mail.yahoo.com (web3601.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.96]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id IAA16328 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010413120951.26019.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.110.73] by web3601.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 05:09:51 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 05:09:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: Re: [SLUG] Official Studio time To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3AD64A53.92C3B449@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey Norb will you send the directions once again .. THanks ! Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 13 09:03:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09416 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:03:05 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09413 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:03:05 -0400 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id JAA16528 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32767 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2001 13:03:04 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 13 Apr 2001 13:03:04 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([64.182.194.58]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:03:02 -0500 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] samba frustration Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:01:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <01041307210301.04724@home.localdomain> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net At the risk of appearing dumb, I just need some help with this. I have samba running on my server and I can see the server in my network neighborhood on my '98 box. I can even see my folder on the server and some files I have created there. I cannot however access these files. When I click on them it says terminal.exe not found or if I try to access them with word from my '98 box it says it cannot find the file,, even when I am looking at it on the word browser. Is there some thing I have to have running on my '98 box that I have not found reference to in all my readings?? Huh? I have even followed the examples in the Sams 24 hours to Samba and all goes well until I try to access the files I have created through Linux. Also, I have put another level of directories in my share and when I try to open them I am told that it doesn't exist,,and there it is right in front of me??? Can I scream now?? Here are my smb.conf entries: ( my linux directories are all owned my me and the permissions are now set to 777. [global] workgroup = server string = printcap name = /etc/printcap load printers = yes hosts deny = all hosts allow = 192.168.1. security = user encrypt passwords = yes smb passwd file = /etc/ case sensitive = yes [homes] comment = home directories browsable = yes writable = yes available = yes read only = no create mode = 0755 [printers] comment = all printers browsable = yes printable = yes public = yes writable = no create mode = 0700 [mikes_share] comment = my linux share path = /home/rock/mikes_share public = no browsable = yes writable = yes read only = no Michael C. Rock From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 13 11:05:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10462 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:05:09 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10459 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:05:09 -0400 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id LAA17369 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc237.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.237) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2001 15:05:07 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD71454.E01C61A4@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:59:33 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] MS claims "We're more secure... really" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Looks like MS is now bashing OpenSource security agagin, claiming that OpenSourced projects are less secure than closed source because "The open source model tends to emphasize design and development. Testing is boring and expensive." Most of all, I love their reason security patches take so long. According to MS: "People ask us why our security patches take so long. One of the reasons they take so long is because we test them." (I guess the fact that customers are being hacked all the time during the wait really doesn't equate) Anyways, read the rest of the story here: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/04/13/0247207 P.S. Tina, I put the Newsforge link so people will discuss the story in the dicussion group on Newsforge. ;) Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 13 11:18:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10701 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:18:44 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10698 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:18:44 -0400 Received: from fl-mta03.durocom.com (fl-mta03.durocom.com [216.53.195.244]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA17477 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.249]) by fl-mta03.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010413151607.JLZK29227.fl-mta03@mpinet.net> for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:16:07 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD717C3.961C870F@mpinet.net> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:14:11 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 additional References: <01041223282600.01842@A2L1.gte.net> <01041307210301.04724@home.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Seth wrote: > > I will second that on eazel services and nautilus, I installed 2 programs > yesterday by simply clicking on a button and then giving my root password for > the install. That was it! That was it? I hope you changed your root password immediately after that. > my only complaint is that I can't figure out how to turn off nautilus. I > emailed eazel about it and they said it was designed to remain always on as > windows exploere is. then they said I could use "nautilus --quit" that does > it but then it starts back up again. annoying! Looks like a bug. (Microsoft would call it a feature.) Smitty > > Seth > > On Thursday 12 April 2001 23:28, you wrote: > > I forgot to mention that the eazel services that is installed with mandrake > > 8 is fully functional and is kinda neat will do the install and all for any > > prog you pick from their files---things are lookin up!! From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 13 11:45:28 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10982 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:45:28 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10979 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:45:27 -0400 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id LAA17668 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc237.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.237) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2001 15:45:25 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD71DBA.50D2A44A@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:39:38 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] (SLUG-Music)Studio Directions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I decided that I would post these on the list so that if anyone lost them they could print them again. (These directions presume that you know how to get to USF. If you don't know how to get there, please mail me to get directions from your location, or one close to that) FROM THE CORNER OF FOWLER AND BRUCE B. DOWNS (30th ave.): On Fowler, take a Left (if coming from the direction of I-275) or a Right (if coming from I-75) onto Bruce B. Downs (30th Ave.), towards the direction of Fletcher (if you see Busch, having come from Fowler, You're heading the wrong way). Follow it down 2 lights, just past the pedestrian overpass, to a Street called E. MAGNOLIA. Take a Right on that road (the next light after that is Fletcher. If you're there, you've gone too far). Follow E. MAGNOLIA down, past all the construction (about 3/4 miles). Keep an eye to your right and watch for the THEATER building (it has big letters on it that read THEATER). Park in that parking lot (restrictions are not enforced on the weekends). Walk into the Theater building through the door on the left hand side of the building (on the wall that's facing E. Magnolia. If you go to the side of the building you're just asking to be confused). Go down that corridor towards the last door on the left. Enter. YOu'll see a set of stairs going up and down. Go down. Eneter the door way at the bottom of the stair way. You're in SYCOM. Here's a quick visual: (to I-275) | | | Bruce B. Downs | --|----------------|---------|---- | \ |F |F | |L |O | |E |W | |T |L ---|--- |C |E | |H |R ---|--- |E | | E. |R | / | | / M | / A | | G | | N | | O | THEATER | L | BUILDING* | I | (doorway)| A | -----| | | (to I-75) Hope this doesn't come out looking like garbage ;) Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 13 11:46:45 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10991 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:46:45 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10988 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:46:45 -0400 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA17685 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [63.14.11.208] (1Cust208.tnt2.zephyrhills.fl.da.uu.net [63.14.11.208]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16511 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104131546.IAA16511@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:46:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] MS claims "We're more secure... really" From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I think MS does make a valid point about OS and "lack of security." It's not a great point, but they are right about security audits...Is there a Linux security team at any of the distros? Do they perform the audits MS says that MS does? Russell ____________________________________________________ "I don't care if you're going nowhere, Just take good care of the world." -- Depeche Mode ---------- >From: Norbert Cartagena >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: [SLUG] MS claims "We're more secure... really" >Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2001, 10:59 AM > > Looks like MS is now bashing OpenSource security agagin, claiming that > OpenSourced projects are less secure than closed source because "The > open source model tends to emphasize design and development. Testing is > boring and expensive." > > Most of all, I love their reason security patches take so long. > According to MS: "People ask us why our security patches take so long. > One of the reasons they take so long is because we test them." (I guess > the fact that customers are being hacked all the time during the wait > really doesn't equate) > > Anyways, read the rest of the story here: > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/04/13/0247207 > > P.S. > Tina, I put the Newsforge link so people will discuss the story in the > dicussion group on Newsforge. ;) > > > Norb > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 13 12:30:48 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11401 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:30:48 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11398 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:30:47 -0400 Received: from ritchie.acomp.usf.edu (root@ritchie.acomp.usf.edu [131.247.100.10]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA18024 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from escher (escher.acomp.usf.edu [131.247.100.27]) by ritchie.acomp.usf.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA18892 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:30:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric Pierce" To: Subject: [SLUG] CTS show Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:34:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Are you looking for any more machine volunteers for the show? I have a Sun Enterprise 3000 running Suse 7.1, Dan Majchrzak, who is in charge of research computing here, might be able to bring a small (5-6 node) Beowulf cluster and I might be able to borrow a machine from the GIS lab, which is running a meterology software package for Linux that is pretty impressive. -Eric ######################################################################### Eric Pierce Phone: (813) 974-8868 Academic Computing Fax: (813) 974-1799 University of South Florida From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 13 12:37:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11447 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:37:18 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11444 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:37:18 -0400 Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id MAA18069 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc237.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.237) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2001 16:37:16 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD729D1.C114CE09@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:31:13 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Desktop Distro References: <200104121302.GAA05709@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ok, first of all, alot of the things that make Windows so "easy" to use and Linux so "hard" are things that involve superuser acces to do. Alot of the things you ask would lower the security of a system. However, if we can afford to saccrifice some security for user friendlyness (or in this case, user Pampering!), or at least build some workaround where the regular user has a good deal more power over the system, I believe that we can indeed build that version of GNU/Linux (or maybe not even GNU, but certainly prefferably so). > My thought on this is: what would be included in a Desktop Distro? I mean, > stripped down to the bone and then built back up. I realize that the overall > community has had some not-so-good experiences with this, since we're used > to Linux doing everything. Yeah yeah... we've gotten Lazy. Actually, I prefer to think of it as "We've expanded to the point where we can afford the luxury of not having to know everthing ;) > But I'm thinking about a Linux distro that > wouldn't even look like Linux. I would do all that Windows currently does > (except crash! :-). Or, hopefully, get viruses. But then again, that would depend on whether or not we gave the user write privilages to the excecutables. This is one of the biggest security flaws in a run of the mill windows system. > You would walk in to someone's home, and they would show > you the $300 1.5 Ghz system they bought including monitor (it's so cheap > because the OS is free!) and how they go on the internet (You open KDE's > browser, and your computer knows enough to start kppp to get you connected > to the net, all you have to supply is the username and password). Actually I believe that this can already be done if you set the web browser icon to give off a specific sequence of commands like "kppp | netscape http://www.slashdot.com" (at kppp, they would have to press enter. I believe that there is already an option of KPPP to keep the password. By lowering security a bit more we could re-write kppp so that it can be started and initiated by a simple double click of the icon that it's attached to). Ofcourse, you mean a prepackaged system that can do this. Heck, it could even be made up with a script and distributed via DEB or RPM. But we're taling out-of-the-box here.(I'm currently working on a script that, when finished, will allow a user using GNOME to setup their interface in a totally user-pamper fashion. I'll send you a screenshot of the model, if you'd like). This should be included > They fire > up their Corel WPO or kOffice (since I'm doing the KDE theme here, but any > GUI/WM office suite would do) and type up a paper in support of the local > PTA. Later on, they get an email saying that DSL/Cable Modem service is > available in their area, and they jump right on it. The company sends a self > install kit, and our computer "expert" plugs in the DSL/Cable modem to the > USB port (yup, USB) and the computer recognizes it right away and now you're > surfin' at 40 Kpbs or more...and recognizes that the telephone isn't > necessary to get on the net. Ok, so what you're talking about is, again, alot of automation which would require some lowering of security. A the time, I'm not sure that the kernel has the capabilities to simply pick up a USB device and run with it (though I'm sure that we can modify Kudzu to listen to the ports and when something tries to talk to the port it configures and autostarts the device). But this is getting over my head on this subject and is general speculation on my part. You will have to forgive my lack of knowledge (see above ;). Now, as for testing whether it uses the phone or DSL is a matter of speed in booting. Obviously you can't install hardware while running the system (at least not us who are faint of heart), so obviously you would reboot. What you are suggesting is that the OS pick up the new device, configures it automatically and sets the connection automatically (personally I would have it ask the user if they would like this to be made their default connection. There's nothing like the power of choice). This would be very realistic if distros included dirvers that manufacturers would make for Linux for their hardware (which, unfortunatelly is not generally the case). However, this then would get into the subject of initializing an icon with the kppp command. Instead of that "kppp | netscape" command, you would just have "netscape" as something of a keyword (keywords would be anythign related to outside communications that could be initiated by the user, such as Netscape, or gFTP or Lynx...). When that keyword was put forth, a script would be initialized to see what picks up that connection, whether it be DSL, DHCP, Static Network, PPPD, whatever. This script would ask the OS "what device should I use to connect this?" if there have been any changes to - say - a log file that it keeps of how connections change. The OS answers back "Well, this is the default (now DSL), so here's the path to the connected device. This daemon should take care of your talking to it." The daemon, of course, would now have been initiated when you did the install and been set to initialize every time the computer starts up (every 9 months or so, after an upgrade). Now, this system is already in place, at least the basic idea (I just click on my Opera icon and go on the net because I use a cable modedm with DHCP as the connector). But what you suggest is that these daemons be started and stopped automatically without the user telling it anything (like when I unplug my ethernet card and then plug it again. it should stop the daemon and then start it once more when I plug it back in. But then again, this would also mean that this scrpt wpould try to detect whether you were connected or not BEFORE the prgram gets to know this. Does this make any sense? > > Our friend then goes to work the next day and sees something completely > different, but his company just saved $5000 on new systems because the OS is > free! :-) All the machines at work easily connect to each other with a very > minimum of fuss. All you need to do at work is file sharing, some > spreadsheets, keep up with putting new contact information into the > database, write a few emails to his co-workers in Ireland...general office > stuff... > Alot of this stuff can already be done, but in involves a sys admin making it pamper the user. You suggest doing the out of the box. Again, that can currently be done, provided everything is set up right and companies - who would use an open standard in their protocols - set the scripts and daemons to be initiated correctly. > Our friend doesn't need most of the things Linux provides. So, based on this > scenario, what would go into a Desktop Distro? > ALOT of daemons. It would KILL booting time, but everythign else would be automated :) I know it's not much, but I hope this gets a start. Alot of what yu describe can be sone by daemons. Some of it can't yet be done by daemons because of hardware incompatabilities and you might take a hit in performance if daemons are looking for devices that don't exist (perhaps erroneously). I hope this get you a start on what would go into something like this and hopefully will spur some discussion. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 13 13:47:54 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11966 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:47:54 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11963 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:47:54 -0400 Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA18456 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from louise (ip127.tampa7.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.6.127]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3DHlpS133028 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:47:52 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01c0c441$f3bc5be0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] samba frustration Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:33:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sounds like a file access problem. This worked for me. Read about each parameter and remember to use testparm . Let us know how you solved this. [public] comment = access to the data space path = /home/public public = yes read only = no guest ok = yes case sensitive = no mangle case = yes preserve case = yes browseable = yes writable = yes printable = no create mode = 0777 ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikes work account Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:01 AM > At the risk of appearing dumb, I just need some help with this. Asking for help from those more experienced is a wise thing to do. > > I have samba running on my server and I can see the server in my network > neighborhood on my '98 box. When I try to access cannot find the file, > > [mikes_share] > comment = my linux share > path = /home/rock/mikes_share > public = no > browsable = yes > writable = yes > read only = no From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 13 14:04:34 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12100 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:04:34 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12097 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:04:34 -0400 Received: from fl-mta03.durocom.com (fl-mta03.durocom.com [216.53.195.244]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id OAA18563 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.70]) by fl-mta03.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010413180159.JWHF29227.fl-mta03@mpinet.net> for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:01:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD73EA0.3D4F78BA@mpinet.net> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:00:00 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Driver location question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have a post script printer driver for a 3-D CAD program. Where should this driver be located to properly function? That is, in what directory? Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 13 16:46:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13581 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:46:07 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13578 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:46:06 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id QAA19612 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.localdomain (24129149hfc50.tampabay.rr.com [24.129.149.50]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3DKjpS22968 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Seth To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] samba frustration Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:46:45 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041316464500.02049@home.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net try getting rid of the hosts deny = all line. that gives me problems, although hosts allows is supposed to take precendence. Also check the permisiions for the fle you are trying to see not tjust the directory, you might might need to chmod -recusively All you need is tcp/ip running on the windows box I can send you my smb.conf if you want Seth On Friday 13 April 2001 09:01, you wrote: > At the risk of appearing dumb, I just need some help with this. > > I have samba running on my server and I can see the server in my network > neighborhood on my '98 box. I can even see my folder on the server and some > files I have created there. I cannot however access these files. When I > click on them it says terminal.exe not found or if I try to access them > with word from my '98 box it says it cannot find the file,, even when I am > looking at it on the word browser. > > Is there some thing I have to have running on my '98 box that I have not > found reference to in all my readings?? Huh? > > I have even followed the examples in the Sams 24 hours to Samba and all > goes well until I try to access the files I have created through Linux. > > Also, I have put another level of directories in my share and when I try to > open them I am told that it doesn't exist,,and there it is right in front > of me??? > > Can I scream now?? > > Here are my smb.conf entries: > ( my linux directories are all owned my me and the permissions are now set > to 777. > > [global] > workgroup = > server string = > printcap name = /etc/printcap > load printers = yes > hosts deny = all > hosts allow = 192.168.1. > security = user > encrypt passwords = yes > smb passwd file = /etc/ > case sensitive = yes > > [homes] > comment = home directories > browsable = yes > writable = yes > available = yes > read only = no > create mode = 0755 > > [printers] > comment = all printers > browsable = yes > printable = yes > public = yes > writable = no > create mode = 0700 > > [mikes_share] > comment = my linux share > path = /home/rock/mikes_share > public = no > browsable = yes > writable = yes > read only = no > > Michael C. Rock From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 13 16:49:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13623 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:49:47 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13620 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:49:47 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id QAA19638 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.localdomain (24129149hfc50.tampabay.rr.com [24.129.149.50]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3DKnjC21147 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Seth To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 additional Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:50:39 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01041223282600.01842@A2L1.gte.net> <01041307210301.04724@home.localdomain> <3AD717C3.961C870F@mpinet.net> In-Reply-To: <3AD717C3.961C870F@mpinet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041316503901.02049@home.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hmmm that might be a good idea, I'm curious as to how their installer works. I know it downloads the package first. I would hope that from then on it would be a local package installer doing the work...... interesting seth > That was it? I hope you changed your root password immediately after > that. > > > my only complaint is that I can't figure out how to turn off nautilus. I > > emailed eazel about it and they said it was designed to remain always on > > as windows exploere is. then they said I could use "nautilus --quit" that > > does it but then it starts back up again. annoying! > > Looks like a bug. (Microsoft would call it a feature.) > Smitty > > > Seth > > > > On Thursday 12 April 2001 23:28, you wrote: > > > I forgot to mention that the eazel services that is installed with > > > mandrake 8 is fully functional and is kinda neat will do the install > > > and all for any prog you pick from their files---things are lookin up!! From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 13 21:42:24 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15954 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:42:24 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15951 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:42:23 -0400 Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA21246 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from louise (ip78.tampa7.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.6.78]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3E1gLm151372 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:42:21 -0400 Message-ID: <00f001c0c484$0b903060$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <01041316464500.02049@home.localdomain> Subject: Re: [SLUG] samba frustration Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:40:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Since the Win98 can list the directory of the share, THEN (1) the host deny and allow worked, (2) the security user and passwords worked, SO if it passes the testparm program, it seems like file permissions. Mike, tell us what the answer is when you find it. Which share can you list [homes] or [mikes_share] ? To get encripted passwords to work, what briefly did you do? Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Seth Sent: Friday, April 13, > try getting rid of the hosts deny = all line. > Also check the permisiions for the fle you are trying to see not tjust the > directory, you might might need to chmod -recusively > All you need is tcp/ip running on the windows box > I can send you my smb.conf if you want > Seth > > On Friday 13 April 2001 09:01, you wrote: > > I have samba running on my server and I can see the server in my network > > neighborhood on my '98 box. I can even see my folder on the server and some > > files I have created there. I cannot however access these files. > > > > Here are my smb.conf entries: > > [global] > > workgroup = > > server string = > > printcap name = /etc/printcap > > load printers = yes > > hosts deny = all > > hosts allow = 192.168.1. > > security = user > > encrypt passwords = yes > > smb passwd file = /etc/ > > case sensitive = yes > > > > [homes] > > comment = home directories > > browsable = yes > > writable = yes > > available = yes > > read only = no > > create mode = 0755 > > > > [printers] > > comment = all printers > > browsable = yes > > printable = yes > > public = yes > > writable = no > > create mode = 0700 > > > > [mikes_share] > > comment = my linux share > > path = /home/rock/mikes_share > > public = no > > browsable = yes > > writable = yes > > read only = no > > > > Michael C. Rock From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 13 22:06:15 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16069 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:06:15 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16066 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:06:15 -0400 Received: from server5.safepages.com (server5.safepages.com [216.127.146.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA21353 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux (1Cust102.tnt2.clearwater.fl.da.uu.net [63.23.190.102]) by server5.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 70DBD70E30 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:58:02 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CTS show Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:56:44 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041320564401.00341@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Oh, very cool. I think that even if we didn't have space we'd still want to put it up :) But then again, I don't have much authority in this - Ask Bill :) Glen On Friday 13 April 2001 12:34, you wrote: > Are you looking for any more machine volunteers for the show? I have a Sun > Enterprise 3000 running Suse 7.1, Dan Majchrzak, who is in charge of > research > computing here, might be able to bring a small (5-6 node) Beowulf cluster > and I might > be able to borrow a machine from the GIS lab, which is running a meterology > software package for Linux that is pretty impressive. > > -Eric > > > ######################################################################### > Eric Pierce Phone: (813) 974-8868 > Academic Computing Fax: (813) 974-1799 > University of South Florida From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 12:18:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21503 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:18:07 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21500 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:18:07 -0400 Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA25187 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from A2L1.gte.net (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id LAA137611843 Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:11:38 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Happy Easter Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:14:35 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041412143500.02564@A2L1.gte.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey I know its a little early but I have a feeling it will be here so to all my fellow LUG members Happy Easter AJ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 12:24:17 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22559 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:24:17 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22556 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:24:16 -0400 Received: from ns1.ozline (mail.ozline.net [216.136.29.249]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA25591 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp73.ozline.net [216.136.29.73]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 26NZXWZ9; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:23:02 -0400 From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Happy Easter Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:16:21 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <01041412143500.02564@A2L1.gte.net> In-Reply-To: <01041412143500.02564@A2L1.gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041412162101.04511@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, you wrote: > Hey I know its a little early but I have a feeling it will be here so to > all my fellow LUG members > Happy Easter > > > AJ ditto -- Love is all u need, Love is all u need, Love is all u need. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 12:30:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22601 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:30:07 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22598 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:30:07 -0400 Received: from ns1.ozline (mail.ozline.net [216.136.29.249]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA25615 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp73.ozline.net [216.136.29.73]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 26NZXW6V; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:28:53 -0400 From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Happy Easter Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:22:12 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <01041412143500.02564@A2L1.gte.net> In-Reply-To: <01041412143500.02564@A2L1.gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041412221202.04511@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, you wrote: > Hey I know its a little early but I have a feeling it will be here so to > all my fellow LUG members > Happy Easter > > > AJ http://www.immaculateheart.com/jesuswall1024.jpg Happy Easter -- Love is all u need, Love is all u need, Love is all u need. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 12:34:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24304 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:34:58 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24301 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:34:57 -0400 Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (c000-h007.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.71]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id MAA25984 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 15695 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2001 09:34:25 -0700 Received: from fl.24.96.21.154.cablemodem.gte.net (HELO tatooine) (24.96.21.154) by smtp.federicopaini.com (209.228.32.71) with SMTP; 14 Apr 2001 09:34:25 -0700 X-Sent: 14 Apr 2001 16:34:25 GMT From: "Federico Paini" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Happy Easter Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:34:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01041412143500.02564@A2L1.gte.net> Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Happy Easter to all! -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of A2L1 Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 12:15 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Happy Easter Hey I know its a little early but I have a feeling it will be here so to all my fellow LUG members Happy Easter AJ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 13:22:06 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22538 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:20:59 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22535 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:20:59 -0400 Received: from knuth.bish.net (bish.net [208.139.225.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA25562 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knuth.bish.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA31318 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:47:31 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:47:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <01041316503901.02049@home.localdomain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net So, does anyone have anything fun I can write some code for? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | | 813.258.2390 | Network Engineer | | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 13:46:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25561 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:46:59 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25558 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:46:59 -0400 From: dazie@mindspring.com Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA26373 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from k6450 (user-33qts9v.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.241.63]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19981 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901c0c50c$a61ef520$3ff1aec7@k6450> To: Subject: [SLUG] (slug) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:59:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0C4EB.1E670300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0C4EB.1E670300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy Easter to all and to all A good day:) ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0C4EB.1E670300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Happy Easter to all and to all A = good=20 day:)
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C0C4EB.1E670300-- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 17:13:23 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26847 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:13:23 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26844 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:13:23 -0400 Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id RAA27339 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from louise (ip100.tampa7.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.6.100]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3ELDLm184326 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:13:21 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c0c527$5edb4a40$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <01041412143500.02564@A2L1.gte.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Happy Easter Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:09:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Happy Pesach (that's Passover) too. Last Saturday evening started 8 days. ----- Original Message ----- From: A2L1 Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 12:14 PM > Happy Easter > AJ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 20:40:33 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29303 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:40:33 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29300 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:40:29 -0400 Received: from ns1.ozline (mail.ozline.net [216.136.29.249]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA28353 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp238.ozline.net [216.136.29.238]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 26NZXZ4N; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:39:14 -0400 Received: from homer.mkintl.com (216.139.204.130 [216.139.204.130]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 26NZXW7M; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:32:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22601 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:30:07 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22598 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:30:07 -0400 Received: from ns1.ozline (mail.ozline.net [216.136.29.249]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA25615 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp73.ozline.net [216.136.29.73]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 26NZXW6V; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:28:53 -0400 From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Happy Easter Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:22:12 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <01041412143500.02564@A2L1.gte.net> In-Reply-To: <01041412143500.02564@A2L1.gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041412221202.04511@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, you wrote: > Hey I know its a little early but I have a feeling it will be here so to > all my fellow LUG members > Happy Easter > > > AJ http://www.immaculateheart.com/jesuswall1024.jpg Happy Easter -- Love is all u need, Love is all u need, Love is all u need. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 20:43:21 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29312 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:43:21 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29309 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:43:21 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA28376 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653284hfc40.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.84.40]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3F0hJS03296 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD8EEA2.50507@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:43:14 -0400 From: Tim Spalding User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19-2mdk i686; en-US; 0.8.1) Gecko/20010328 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MS claims "We're more secure... really" References: <200104131546.IAA16511@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net First off, the Newsforge 'article' didn't contain any particularly useful information, save for a link to an article on Security Focus, which is: http://www.securityfocus.com/frames/?content=/templates/article.html%3Fid%3D191 Now on to the reply: Russell Hires wrote: > I think MS does make a valid point about OS and "lack of security." Not really. Mainly just more FUD. But then, no huge surprise there. > It's not a great point, but they are right about security audits... > ...audits MS says that MS does? If they're so right about audits being necessary, why don't they DO anything about it themselves? Now the fact is (IIRC), Windows (even NT/2000) is the most widely exploited (and exploitable) OS currently on the market. Yet here is Micro$oft talking so seriously about the need for security code audits. I can only see two explanations for this obvious disparity. Either Micro$oft is hoping that because they're accusing Open Source software of lacking for security auditing, nobody will look to deeply into what audits they may have done in the past or are doing now. (And pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, either...) Or their staff actually has performed audits and have merely proved incompetent at the task. On the other hand, how much effort is required to perform a line-by-line security audit on an operating system consisting of some forty MILLION lines of code? How many coders does Micro$oft have? How many years would such an effort take, even to the exclusion of other bug fixes or feature enhancements? Given the above, along with Micro$oft's history to date, I'd say the smart money goes to this latest attack being nothing more than another lame attempt at a smoke screen. > Is there a Linux security team at any of the distros? Do they perform the audits... Most distributions that I am aware of seem to primarily handle security fixes as vulnerabilities become known (through websites such as SecurityFocus, et al). When vulnerabilities are made known, the major distributions (Red Hat, Mandrake, Suse) typically have fixes implemented and updated packages available in no more than half the time it takes Micro$oft to do the same. (In the article, Micro$oft claimed this was because THEY performed testing on their fixes, implying that Open Source vendors release fixes to the public without performing any testing whatsoever. And they REALLY expect anyone to believe this tripe?) There are distributions which are more security-oriented. Take Trustix, for instance. And isn't the NSA working on Linux-based security? Then again, remember that Micro$oft wasn't just singling out Linux, but Open Source software in general. I'll point out, then, that the OpenBSD kernel _has_ in fact undergone a line-by-line security audit, as well as being hardened in other ways. So no, I don't think Micro$oft has made any valid point at all in their remarks, except perhaps, "Do as I say, not as I do." From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 20:50:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29385 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:50:47 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29382 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:50:47 -0400 Received: from ns1.ozline (mail.ozline.net [216.136.29.249]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA28409 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp238.ozline.net [216.136.29.238]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 26NZXZW9; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:49:31 -0400 From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MS claims "We're more secure... really" Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:42:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <200104131546.IAA16511@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> <3AD8EEA2.50507@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3AD8EEA2.50507@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041420425100.00966@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net and check this out too :) http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-5565061.html if these people werent being hurt it would be funny On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, you wrote: > First off, the Newsforge 'article' didn't contain any particularly useful > information, save for a link to an article on Security Focus, which is: > > http://www.securityfocus.com/frames/?content=/templates/article.html%3Fid%3 >D191 > > > Now on to the reply: > > Russell Hires wrote: > > I think MS does make a valid point about OS and "lack of security." > > Not really. Mainly just more FUD. But then, no huge surprise there. > > > It's not a great point, but they are right about security audits... > > > > ...audits MS says that MS does? > > If they're so right about audits being necessary, why don't they DO > anything about it themselves? > > Now the fact is (IIRC), Windows (even NT/2000) is the most widely exploited > (and exploitable) OS currently on the market. Yet here is Micro$oft > talking so seriously about the need for security code audits. I can only > see two explanations for this obvious disparity. Either Micro$oft is > hoping that because they're accusing Open Source software of lacking for > security auditing, nobody will look to deeply into what audits they may > have done in the past or are doing now. (And pay no attention to the man > behind the curtain, either...) Or their staff actually has performed audits > and have merely proved incompetent at the task. On the other hand, how > much effort is required to perform a line-by-line security audit on an > operating system consisting of some forty MILLION lines of code? How many > coders does Micro$oft have? How many years would such an effort take, even > to the exclusion of other bug fixes or feature enhancements? > > Given the above, along with Micro$oft's history to date, I'd say the smart > money goes to this latest attack being nothing more than another lame > attempt at a smoke screen. > > > Is there a Linux security team at any of the distros? Do they perform the > > audits... > > Most distributions that I am aware of seem to primarily handle security > fixes as vulnerabilities become known (through websites such as > SecurityFocus, et al). When vulnerabilities are made known, the major > distributions (Red Hat, Mandrake, Suse) typically have fixes implemented > and updated packages available in no more than half the time it takes > Micro$oft to do the same. (In the article, Micro$oft claimed this was > because THEY performed testing on their fixes, implying that Open Source > vendors release fixes to the public without performing any testing > whatsoever. And they REALLY expect anyone to believe this tripe?) > > There are distributions which are more security-oriented. Take Trustix, > for instance. And isn't the NSA working on Linux-based security? > > Then again, remember that Micro$oft wasn't just singling out Linux, but > Open Source software in general. I'll point out, then, that the OpenBSD > kernel _has_ in fact undergone a line-by-line security audit, as well as > being hardened in other ways. > > So no, I don't think Micro$oft has made any valid point at all in their > remarks, except perhaps, "Do as I say, not as I do." -- Love is all u need, Love is all u need, Love is all u need. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 21:12:10 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29526 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:12:10 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29523 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:12:09 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA28491 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653284hfc40.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.84.40]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3F1C8C23559 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD8F563.60204@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:12:03 -0400 From: Tim Spalding User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19-2mdk i686; en-US; 0.8.1) Gecko/20010328 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Gnome 1.4 References: <3AD53644.5E02CEDC@yahoo.com> <3AD53944.6040004@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD5B611.5F5B038D@mpinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Smitty wrote: >> Tim Spalding wrote: >> Mandrake has had RPMs on their cooker sites for a little while now. I haven't >> tried any yet, though. At this rate, I'm probably going to wait for Mandrake 8 >> to go gold, download the ISO images, and either upgrade or install fresh. >> >> ftp://ftp.twoguys.org/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/devel/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS >> is a good, fast location to grab newer Mandrake packages from. > > > How about purchasing the distribution and help to keep them in business! Hmmm... Mainly? Been there, done that. Have multiple T-shirts to show for it. Mainly, I'd consider it a waste of material, since I don't really have any use for either the support service, the manuals, or even the bundled apps. (Open Source is pretty much the way I go, anyway.) Why force a distribution manufacturer to incur expense for what I'm perfectly capable of getting myself? If someone who's already been using Linux for a while wants to support a distribution maker, wouldn't it make more sense to save them the expense of a would-be-unused box set and just send them the money directly in the form of a contribution? Think about it. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 21:15:17 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29547 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:15:17 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29544 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:15:17 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA28522 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653284hfc40.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.84.40]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3F1FGS12907 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD8F620.5030303@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:15:12 -0400 From: Tim Spalding User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19-2mdk i686; en-US; 0.8.1) Gecko/20010328 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MS claims "We're more secure... really" References: <200104131546.IAA16511@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> <3AD8EEA2.50507@tampabay.rr.com> <01041420425100.00966@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net patrick wrote: > and check this out too :) > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-5565061.html Hmmm... After installing Windows XP, the hardware fails... and it's the HARDWARE's fault?!?!? What's wrong with this picture? If I were paranoid, I'd suspect a news-media payoff. As it is, could it just be irresponsibly sloppy reporting? You be the judge. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 21:19:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29596 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:19:58 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29593 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:19:58 -0400 Received: from ns1.ozline (mail.ozline.net [216.136.109.40] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA28549 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp238.ozline.net [216.136.29.238]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 26NZXZ9K; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:18:44 -0400 From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Gnome 1.4 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:12:04 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3AD53644.5E02CEDC@yahoo.com> <3AD5B611.5F5B038D@mpinet.net> <3AD8F563.60204@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3AD8F563.60204@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041421120403.00966@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, you wrote: > Smitty wrote: > >> Tim Spalding wrote: > >> Mandrake has had RPMs on their cooker sites for a little while now. I > >> haven't tried any yet, though. At this rate, I'm probably going to wait > >> for Mandrake 8 to go gold, download the ISO images, and either upgrade > >> or install fresh. i think people should buy from the distros. look how much they have done for us. the people the distros employ need to have jobs too. i dont see anything wrong with getting freebees, but if u can afford it put your money where your mouth is. :) > >> > >> ftp://ftp.twoguys.org/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/devel/cooker/Mand > >>rake/RPMS is a good, fast location to grab newer Mandrake packages from. > > > > How about purchasing the distribution and help to keep them in business! > > Hmmm... Mainly? Been there, done that. Have multiple T-shirts to show > for it. > > Mainly, I'd consider it a waste of material, since I don't really have any > use for either the support service, the manuals, or even the bundled apps. > (Open Source is pretty much the way I go, anyway.) > > Why force a distribution manufacturer to incur expense for what I'm > perfectly capable of getting myself? > > If someone who's already been using Linux for a while wants to support a > distribution maker, wouldn't it make more sense to save them the expense of > a would-be-unused box set and just send them the money directly in the form > of a contribution? > > Think about it. -- Love is all u need, Love is all u need, Love is all u need. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 21:29:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29678 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:29:09 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29675 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:29:09 -0400 Received: from fl-mta03.durocom.com (fl-mta03.durocom.com [216.53.195.244]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA28592 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.161]) by fl-mta03.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010415012633.MGLH29227.fl-mta03@mpinet.net> for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:26:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD8F850.4D30DBF4@mpinet.net> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:24:32 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Gnome 1.4 References: <3AD53644.5E02CEDC@yahoo.com> <3AD53944.6040004@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD5B611.5F5B038D@mpinet.net> <3AD8F563.60204@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tim Spalding wrote: > > Smitty wrote: > > >> Tim Spalding wrote: > >> Mandrake has had RPMs on their cooker sites for a little while now. I haven't > >> tried any yet, though. At this rate, I'm probably going to wait for Mandrake 8 > >> to go gold, download the ISO images, and either upgrade or install fresh. > >> > >> ftp://ftp.twoguys.org/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/devel/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS > >> is a good, fast location to grab newer Mandrake packages from. > > > > > > How about purchasing the distribution and help to keep them in business! > > Hmmm... Mainly? Been there, done that. Have multiple T-shirts to show for it. > > Mainly, I'd consider it a waste of material, since I don't really have any use > for either the support service, the manuals, or even the bundled apps. (Open > Source is pretty much the way I go, anyway.) > > Why force a distribution manufacturer to incur expense for what I'm perfectly > capable of getting myself? > > If someone who's already been using Linux for a while wants to support a > distribution maker, wouldn't it make more sense to save them the expense of a > would-be-unused box set and just send them the money directly in the form of a > contribution? > > Think about it. You have a valid point, but do you have statistics on how many open source users actually do this? Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 21:35:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29729 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:35:49 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29726 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:35:48 -0400 Received: from fl-mta03.durocom.com (fl-mta03.durocom.com [216.53.195.244]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA28619 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.161]) by fl-mta03.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010415013312.MGTV29227.fl-mta03@mpinet.net> for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:33:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3AD8F9E0.48EAE0A8@mpinet.net> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:31:12 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MS claims "We're more secure... really" References: <200104131546.IAA16511@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> <3AD8EEA2.50507@tampabay.rr.com> <01041420425100.00966@localhost.localdomain> <3AD8F620.5030303@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tim Spalding wrote: > > patrick wrote: > > > and check this out too :) > > > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-5565061.html > > Hmmm... After installing Windows XP, the hardware fails... and it's the > HARDWARE's fault?!?!? What's wrong with this picture? > > If I were paranoid, I'd suspect a news-media payoff. As it is, could it just be > irresponsibly sloppy reporting? You be the judge. >From what I know about xp, the kernel has been modified from nt, and nt/2k as well as 95/98/mememe apps run under emulation. So somewhere in the fourty million lines of C++ code are errors causing the hardware incompatibility. Incidentally, that has been the traditional bs excuse of ms to blame the hardware. They ran that crap on me for one month until I uninstalled 98SE, took it back for a refund, and installed RH linux 6.1. And yes it was not easy getting a refund, I had to threaten lawsuit to receive it. Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 21:40:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29745 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:40:55 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29742 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:40:54 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA28637 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from butch (242857hfc170.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.57.170]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3F1erC01993 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701c0c54c$8afb8660$6501a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Frank" To: References: <3AD53644.5E02CEDC@yahoo.com> <3AD5B611.5F5B038D@mpinet.net> <3AD8F563.60204@tampabay.rr.com> <01041421120403.00966@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: [SLUG] SoundBlaster Problem Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:36:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm a newbie to Linux and I just installed Mandrake 7.2 on my system. I am hoping someone can give me a hand with a problem I am having.When I went to configure my SB. 32 it gave me an error of /lib/modules/202.17-21mdk/misc/sb.0: init_module:Device or resource busy /lib/modules/2.2.17-21mdk/misc/sb.0: insmod /llb/modules/22.17-21mdk/misc/sb.0 failed Any help I can get would be appreciated. ----- Original Message ----- From: "patrick" To: Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Gnome 1.4 > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, you wrote: > > Smitty wrote: > > >> Tim Spalding wrote: > > >> Mandrake has had RPMs on their cooker sites for a little while now. I > > >> haven't tried any yet, though. At this rate, I'm probably going to wait > > >> for Mandrake 8 to go gold, download the ISO images, and either upgrade > > >> or install fresh. > > > i think people should buy from the distros. look how much they have done > for us. the people the distros employ need to have jobs too. > i dont see anything wrong with getting freebees, but if u can afford it > put your money where your mouth is. > > :) > > > > > > > >> > > >> ftp://ftp.twoguys.org/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/devel/cooker/Mand > > >>rake/RPMS is a good, fast location to grab newer Mandrake packages from. > > > > > > How about purchasing the distribution and help to keep them in business! > > > > Hmmm... Mainly? Been there, done that. Have multiple T-shirts to show > > for it. > > > > Mainly, I'd consider it a waste of material, since I don't really have any > > use for either the support service, the manuals, or even the bundled apps. > > (Open Source is pretty much the way I go, anyway.) > > > > Why force a distribution manufacturer to incur expense for what I'm > > perfectly capable of getting myself? > > > > If someone who's already been using Linux for a while wants to support a > > distribution maker, wouldn't it make more sense to save them the expense of > > a would-be-unused box set and just send them the money directly in the form > > of a contribution? > > > > Think about it. > > -- > Love is all u need, Love is all u need, Love is all u need. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 21:51:15 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29830 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:51:15 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29827 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:51:15 -0400 Received: from ns1.ozline (mail.ozline.net [216.136.29.249]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA28684 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp238.ozline.net [216.136.29.238]) by ns1.ozline with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 26NZX5FL; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:50:00 -0400 From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SoundBlaster Problem Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:43:20 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3AD53644.5E02CEDC@yahoo.com> <01041421120403.00966@localhost.localdomain> <000701c0c54c$8afb8660$6501a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <000701c0c54c$8afb8660$6501a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041421432004.00966@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, you wrote: > I'm a newbie to Linux and I just installed Mandrake 7.2 on my system. I am > hoping someone can give me a hand with a problem I am having.When I went to > configure my SB. 32 it gave me an error of > /lib/modules/202.17-21mdk/misc/sb.0: > init_module:Device or resource busy > /lib/modules/2.2.17-21mdk/misc/sb.0: > insmod > /llb/modules/22.17-21mdk/misc/sb.0 > failed > Any help I can get would be appreciated. and maybe someone can help me to figure out how to use kNode . its in kde and supposed to read newsgroups, but i can figure out if it will do this by itself or do i need any other program to make it work. thanks pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "patrick" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Gnome 1.4 > > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, you wrote: > > > Smitty wrote: > > > >> Tim Spalding wrote: > > > >> Mandrake has had RPMs on their cooker sites for a little while now. > > I > > > > >> haven't tried any yet, though. At this rate, I'm probably going to > > wait > > > > >> for Mandrake 8 to go gold, download the ISO images, and either > > upgrade > > > > >> or install fresh. > > > > i think people should buy from the distros. look how much they have done > > for us. the people the distros employ need to have jobs too. > > i dont see anything wrong with getting freebees, but if u can afford it > > put your money where your mouth is. > > > > :) > > ftp://ftp.twoguys.org/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/devel/cooker/Mand > > > > >>rake/RPMS is a good, fast location to grab newer Mandrake packages > > from. > > > > > How about purchasing the distribution and help to keep them in > > business! > > > > Hmmm... Mainly? Been there, done that. Have multiple T-shirts to > > > show for it. > > > > > > Mainly, I'd consider it a waste of material, since I don't really have > > any > > > > use for either the support service, the manuals, or even the bundled > > apps. > > > > (Open Source is pretty much the way I go, anyway.) > > > > > > Why force a distribution manufacturer to incur expense for what I'm > > > perfectly capable of getting myself? > > > > > > If someone who's already been using Linux for a while wants to support > > > a distribution maker, wouldn't it make more sense to save them the > > > expense > > of > > > > a would-be-unused box set and just send them the money directly in the > > form > > > > of a contribution? > > > > > > Think about it. > > > > -- > > Love is all u need, Love is all u need, Love is all u need. -- Love is all u need, Love is all u need, Love is all u need. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 14 22:38:48 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30108 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:38:48 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30105 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:38:48 -0400 Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id WAA28886 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc11.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.11) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2001 02:38:46 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD908B9.E04561C5@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:34:33 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Gnome 1.4 References: <3AD53644.5E02CEDC@yahoo.com> <3AD53944.6040004@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD5B611.5F5B038D@mpinet.net> <3AD8F563.60204@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD8F850.4D30DBF4@mpinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Smitty wrote: > > Tim Spalding wrote: > > > > Smitty wrote: > > > > >> Tim Spalding wrote: > > >> Mandrake has had RPMs on their cooker sites for a little while now. I haven't > > >> tried any yet, though. At this rate, I'm probably going to wait for Mandrake 8 > > >> to go gold, download the ISO images, and either upgrade or install fresh. > > >> > > >> ftp://ftp.twoguys.org/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/devel/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS > > >> is a good, fast location to grab newer Mandrake packages from. > > > > > > > > > How about purchasing the distribution and help to keep them in business! > > > > Hmmm... Mainly? Been there, done that. Have multiple T-shirts to show for it. > > > > Mainly, I'd consider it a waste of material, since I don't really have any use > > for either the support service, the manuals, or even the bundled apps. (Open > > Source is pretty much the way I go, anyway.) > > > > Why force a distribution manufacturer to incur expense for what I'm perfectly > > capable of getting myself? > > > > If someone who's already been using Linux for a while wants to support a > > distribution maker, wouldn't it make more sense to save them the expense of a > > would-be-unused box set and just send them the money directly in the form of a > > contribution? > > > > Think about it. > > You have a valid point, but do you have statistics on how many open > source users actually do this? > Ask the FSF. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 07:57:48 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01916 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 07:57:48 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01913 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 07:57:48 -0400 Received: from mail01.san.yahoo.com (mail01.san.yahoo.com [209.132.1.35]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id IAA02162 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 08:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (65.32.44.26) by mail01.san.yahoo.com (5.1.062) id 3ACA395D01AA2B7C for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 04:51:01 -0700 From: Tina Gasperson Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 08:02:44 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [SLUG] Jam session at SYCOM To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041508024400.10923@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi List, I just want to say thanks to Norb for arranging a fun time at USF's SYCOM studios. Shawn, Ed, Mike, Norb, my daughter Heather, and I were there. The rest of you missed some beautiful playing by Sean (piano and keyboards), Ed (sax), Mike (bass guitar), and Norb (violin). I also attempted to chime in with my acoustic guitar, but luckily I broke a string and so had the perfect excuse to sit back and just listen and sing along a bit. :-) I think we started working on a SLUG song - something in the first verse about Ed's links? :-) I can't wait til next time! -tina From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 10:24:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02761 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:24:44 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02758 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:24:43 -0400 Received: from bubba.innet.com (tampa-14.innet.com [63.144.204.14] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id KAA02797 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bubba (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bubba.innet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with SMTP id f3FEIuo07384 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:18:56 -0400 From: Bob File To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] bounces Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:18:56 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041510185602.05739@bubba> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net not sure why I am bouncing; actually the bounce sez sender domain must exist I don't recall this happening in the last incarnation of Linux. Using dialup, what do I call my local machine so it has a fqdn? From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 10:39:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02859 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:39:58 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02856 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:39:58 -0400 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id KAA02863 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc11.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.11) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2001 14:39:56 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD9B0C0.825AF5F@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:31:28 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Jam session at SYCOM References: <01041508024400.10923@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tina Gasperson wrote: > > Hi List, > > I just want to say thanks to Norb for arranging a fun > time at USF's SYCOM studios. Shawn, Ed, Mike, > Norb, my daughter Heather, and I were there. And I have to appologize for anyone who tried to follow my funky dirtections and couldn't get there. The street you were supposed to look for was Holli, not Magnolia. I'm so horrible with directions. I'm sorry. If antine is interested, I'll see if I can set up a time for maybe as soon as next week (no guarantees though. My finals are comming up too and I need to work on a piece...) But, hey, the summer's open! And who says we have to go to that studio for a jam session? A garage ought to ge good enough :) Anyways, I had fun too ande I thanks all those that were there. This deffinitelly will be done again, so long as we bring extra guitar strings.... ;) Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 10:54:38 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02970 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:54:38 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02967 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:54:38 -0400 Received: from bubba.innet.com (tampa-14.innet.com [63.144.204.14] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA02922 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bubba (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bubba.innet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with SMTP id f3FEiKo08315 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:44:20 -0400 From: Bob File To: Slug Subject: [SLUG] Industrial Linux Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 10:44:19 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041510441903.05739@bubba> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I apologise profusely if this ends up being the third time this get sent to the list. Reading about sendmail wasn't on the list for today. ;-} I am an instrument tech at an industrial site (OJ plant). I have a project pending that I would like to use Linux for. I am not sure I can pull it off with the skills I have now. We sometimes fill 55 gallon drums with orange juice for shipment to a customer. We do this by putting the drum on a scale and weighing it as it fills with juice. We use a small "computer" to accomplish this. It has 8 digital inputs, 8 digital outputs and 4 serial ports. It has an embedded interpreter/os in it that one writes programs for and they are run in real time. The interpreter allows storage of some data in a flat table. I just finished rewriting the printing routines to use new bar code printers. I am told by management that our barrel filling will be increasing because our parent company has bought other OJ facilities and wants to use our site to package all barrel orders. Right now the barrel is filled, a ticket printed with various information on it to put on the barrel and the same information is recorded to a table. At the end of the run another serial port is used to print the table. This is the only record of the run because the table is cleared before the next run. I think it is time to start recording this information to a database on a PC. My current idea is to send the barrel data to a PC via serial port, and let the PC record the data in a database and then send the data back out another serial port to the bar code printer. I am not really a Linux programmer, but I think I could probably muddle my way through the database part of the setup with one of the interpreted languages available. What I don't know or even have a clue about is the serial port part of this project. How do I get the data in and back out? Will Perl or Python allow me to open a serial port and ship data in and out? I know I can pull this off in VB, but would rather avoid it if possible. I will be getting a "hand me down" PC for this project from the next plant wide upgrade of PCs, so the PC won't be the latest and greatest. Plus there are lots of liscencing issues with the Win stuff. I think a Linux box for this project would give me more flexibility. So am I going to have to learn enough "C" to use the serial port or is there another way to do this? I am looking at the Kermit program for this, but I am not sure I can do what I want to with it's scripting language. Any clues tossed my way would be appreciated. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 11:13:19 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03099 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:13:19 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03096 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:13:18 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA02994 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3FFDHC14445 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD9BAF8.F9FF88DD@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:15:04 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUGJam session at SYCOM References: <01041508024400.10923@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD9B0C0.825AF5F@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I enjoyed it too. The broken string was a tragedy. A garage or something on a ground (not underground) floor would be nice. I'd be more willing to haul in my keyboard gear if I didn't have to carry it up and down stairs. Since almost everyone there was a SLUG member and we did (briefly) discuss some Linux issues, I think we technically had an new SLUG meeting with an unusual presentation. "SLUGJam" might even be a workable name if you can avoid the association with snail slime. Ed. Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > Tina Gasperson wrote: > > > > Hi List, > > > > I just want to say thanks to Norb for arranging a fun > > time at USF's SYCOM studios. Shawn, Ed, Mike, > > Norb, my daughter Heather, and I were there. > > And I have to appologize for anyone who tried to follow my funky > dirtections and couldn't get there. The street you were supposed to look > for was Holli, not Magnolia. I'm so horrible with directions. I'm sorry. > If antine is interested, I'll see if I can set up a time for maybe as > soon as next week (no guarantees though. My finals are comming up too > and I need to work on a piece...) > > But, hey, the summer's open! And who says we have to go to that studio > for a jam session? A garage ought to ge good enough :) Anyways, I had > fun too ande I thanks all those that were there. This deffinitelly will > be done again, so long as we bring extra guitar strings.... ;) > > Norb > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 11:46:23 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03290 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:46:23 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03287 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:46:23 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA03133 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cipher (24161244hfc54.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.244.54]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3FFkMS16393 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01fd01c0c5c3$7f913050$fe0864cf@digicat.org> From: "Kevin Counts" To: References: Subject: [SLUG] writing code Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:48:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net define fun :-) --\ Kevin Counts UNIX Systems Group -- Academic Computing University of South Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:47 AM > > So, does anyone have anything fun I can write some code for? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | > | 813.258.2390 | Network Engineer | > | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 12:26:32 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03564 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:26:32 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03561 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:26:32 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA03314 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust74.tnt9.new-port-richey.fl.da.uu.net [63.27.106.74]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06030 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AD9F5A1.77154558@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:25:21 -0700 From: Shaun Ducret X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Jam session at SYCOM References: <01041508024400.10923@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I thought it was a great time. You guys sounded much better without the discord of that piano ;) From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 12:44:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03686 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:44:58 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03683 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:44:57 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA03389 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3FGiuS05610 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD9D074.DB00D04@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:46:44 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Industrial Linux References: <01041510441903.05739@bubba> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Two possibilities come to mind: Since you're already familiar with Basic then bwBasic *may* be of use. I'm not sure if it's "open" command can be used with serial ports and it's licensing is not free for commmercial use. http://www.bwbasic.com/ There's QB2C, a QuickBasic to C translator http://faust.irb.hr/~stipy/qb2c/qb2c.html. There's QuickBasic for Linux http://www.xbasic.com/ but it's a bit pricey at $395. There may be some other basics for Linux. Another approach would be to use Tcl(pronounced "tickle"). It's "open" command does support serial port access and it reputedly has a shallow learning curve. It's licensing has recently been made open source and is ok for commercial use with the usual caveats. http://dev.scriptics.com Quote from this page http://dev.scriptics.com/software/tcltk/relnotes/tcl8.0a2.txt "1/12/97 (new feature) Serial IO channel drivers for Windows and Unix, available by using Tcl open command to open pseudo-files like "com1:" or "/dev/ttya". New option to Tcl fconfigure command for serial files: "-mode baud,parity,data,stop" to specify baud rate, parity, data bits, and stop bits. Serial IO is not yet available on Mac." As for the database part, pg_access -- a MS Access clone for PostgreSQL -- was written in Tcl-Tk. I'm quite certain that perl or python could handle serial ports too along with the database stuff but their learning curve may be a bit steeper than Tcl. Ed Bob File wrote: > > I apologise profusely if this ends up being the third time this get sent to > the list. Reading about sendmail wasn't on the list for today. ;-} > I am an instrument tech at an industrial site (OJ plant). I have a > project pending that I would like to use Linux for. I am not sure I can > pull it off with the skills I have now. We sometimes fill 55 gallon > drums with orange juice for shipment to a customer. We do this by > putting the drum on a scale and weighing it as it fills with juice. > We use a small "computer" to accomplish this. It has 8 digital inputs, 8 > digital outputs and 4 serial ports. It has an embedded interpreter/os in > it that one writes programs for and they are run in real time. The > interpreter allows storage of some data in a flat table. I just finished > rewriting the printing routines to use new bar code printers. I am told > by management that our barrel filling will be increasing because our > parent company has bought other OJ facilities and wants to use our site > to package all barrel orders. Right now the barrel is filled, a ticket > printed with various information on it to put on the barrel and the same > information is recorded to a table. At the end of the run another serial > port is used to print the table. This is the only record of the run > because the table is cleared before the next run. I think it is time to > start recording this information to a database on a PC. My current idea > is to send the barrel data to a PC via serial port, and let the PC > record the data in a database and then send the data back out another > serial port to the bar code printer. I am not really a Linux programmer, > but I think I could probably muddle my way through the database part of > the setup with one of the interpreted languages available. What I don't > know or even have a clue about is the serial port part of this project. > How do I get the data in and back out? Will Perl or Python allow me to > open a serial port and ship data in and out? I know I can pull this off > in VB, but would rather avoid it if possible. I will be getting a "hand > me down" PC for this project from the next plant wide upgrade of PCs, so > the PC won't be the latest and greatest. Plus there are lots of > liscencing issues with the Win stuff. I think a Linux box for this > project would give me more flexibility. > So am I going to have to learn enough "C" to use the serial port or is > there another way to do this? I am looking at the Kermit program for > this, but I am not sure I can do what I want to with it's scripting > language. > Any clues tossed my way would be appreciated. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 12:51:34 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03723 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:51:34 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03720 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:51:34 -0400 Received: from knuth.bish.net ([208.139.225.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA03414 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knuth.bish.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id MAA00809 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:31:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:31:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] writing code In-Reply-To: <01fd01c0c5c3$7f913050$fe0864cf@digicat.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, any C/PHP/Database/Qt stuff? On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Kevin Counts wrote: > define fun :-) > > --\ > > Kevin Counts > UNIX Systems Group -- Academic Computing > University of South Florida > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:47 AM > > > > > > So, does anyone have anything fun I can write some code for? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | > > | 813.258.2390 | Network Engineer | > > | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | | 813.258.2390 | Network Engineer | | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 13:04:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03791 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:04:00 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03788 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:04:00 -0400 Received: from ba.tzo.com (IDENT:postfix@653232hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.32.225]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA03454 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BALaptop (laptop [172.31.203.199]) by ba.tzo.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 862213B49F for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004601c0c5ce$0f40e560$c7cb1fac@BALaptop> From: "Brian S. Armstrong" To: References: <007b01c0c22c$494ebb60$c7cb1fac@BALaptop> <3AD46E52.CDD8CC78@illusionary.com> <3AD4942C.FECFD912@nks.net> <008f01c0c2b0$33232db0$78821fac@BALaptop> <3AD623B0.F515AEB6@nks.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] IP MASQ & VPN Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:03:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well.... after multiple attempts at kernel patching and assorted hacking, I am still really no further along than I was before. Thanks to all for your input. I have decided to build a new machine to take care of the firewall/proxy services et al. It is based on Mandrake 8.0 which is running kernel 2.4.3 so it should support all needed services. Now all I need to do is figure this 'xinetd' thing out so I can get all of the services that I have on the other box up and running on the new one. Thanks again for the assistance. -BA From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 13:05:13 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03807 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:05:13 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03804 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:05:13 -0400 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id NAA03465 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc11.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.11) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2001 17:05:11 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AD9D286.90CD0036@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:55:34 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] writing code References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------CDE60B671A226B96E5C2FB81" Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CDE60B671A226B96E5C2FB81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (let's see if this goes through...) 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 13:49:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04125 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:49:08 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04122 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:49:08 -0400 Received: from bubba.innet.com (tampa-14.innet.com [63.144.204.14] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA03642 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bubba (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bubba.innet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with SMTP id f3FHMj012428 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:22:45 -0400 From: Bob File To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Industrial Linux Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:22:45 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <01041510441903.05739@bubba> <3AD9D074.DB00D04@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3AD9D074.DB00D04@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041513224500.09681@bubba> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 15 April 2001 12:46,Ed wrote: > Two possibilities come to mind: > > Since you're already familiar with Basic then bwBasic *may* be of use. > I'm not sure if it's "open" command can be used with serial ports and > it's licensing is not free for commmercial use. > http://www.bwbasic.com/ There's QB2C, a QuickBasic to C translator > http://faust.irb.hr/~stipy/qb2c/qb2c.html. There's QuickBasic for Linux > http://www.xbasic.com/ but it's a bit pricey at $395. There may be some > other basics for Linux. Well.... sure enough I have a bwbasic on this box; readme sez: This version of Bywater BASIC is released under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL), which is distributed with this software in the file "COPYING". The GPL specifies the terms under which users may copy and use the software in this distribution This may be the easiest for me. > Another approach would be to use Tcl(pronounced "tickle"). It's "open" > I'm quite certain that perl or python could handle serial ports too > along with the database stuff but their learning curve may be a bit > steeper than Tcl. > Well I don't mind picking up a new language, especially for Linux, but I did not want to tackle C right off the bat... My impression is that perl or python would be more general use languages to use than tcl, but that may just be my own bias from what I have read. >From what I have researched so far, it should be fairly easy to use perl modules to get the (raw) data into a database. Thanks for the reply. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 15:01:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04675 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:01:44 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04672 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:01:44 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id PAA04014 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653284hfc40.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.84.40]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3FJ1gS12539 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AD9F015.1000401@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:01:41 -0400 From: Tim Spalding User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19-2mdk i686; en-US; 0.8.1) Gecko/20010328 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Industrial Linux References: <01041510441903.05739@bubba> <3AD9D074.DB00D04@tampabay.rr.com> <01041513224500.09681@bubba> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> On Sunday 15 April 2001 12:46,Ed wrote: >> I'm quite certain that perl or python could handle serial ports too >> along with the database stuff but their learning curve may be a bit >> steeper than Tcl. > Bob File wrote: > Well I don't mind picking up a new language, especially for Linux, but I did > not want to tackle C right off the bat... > My impression is that perl or python would be more general use languages to > use than tcl I think all three are general-use languages, but check out a comparison between C, Python, and Perl written by Eric Raymond at http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/taoup/chapter3.html In real short, TCL is usable for VERY light-weight stuff. Perl is the proverbial 800-pound gorilla, good for quick-dirty-and-small programs, but doesn't scale very well once your app gets above, say, 100 lines. Python, on the other hand, seems to involve perhaps slightly more overhead for the really SMALL stuff, but scales up to large apps very nicely. As for the learning curve, check the following link for a personal account by Eric Raymond: http://www.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue73/3882.html Hope this helps. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 18:44:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06189 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:44:42 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06186 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:44:41 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA04916 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14ouMK-0006n7-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:47:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:47:04 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Industrial Linux Message-ID: <20010415174704.A26002@quillandmouse.com> References: <01041510441903.05739@bubba> <3AD9D074.DB00D04@tampabay.rr.com> <01041513224500.09681@bubba> <3AD9F015.1000401@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AD9F015.1000401@tampabay.rr.com>; from dominus@tampabay.rr.com on Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 03:01:41PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 03:01:41PM -0400, Tim Spalding wrote: > >> On Sunday 15 April 2001 12:46,Ed wrote: > >> I'm quite certain that perl or python could handle serial ports too > >> along with the database stuff but their learning curve may be a bit > >> steeper than Tcl. > > > Bob File wrote: > > > Well I don't mind picking up a new language, especially for Linux, but I did > > not want to tackle C right off the bat... > > My impression is that perl or python would be more general use languages to > > use than tcl > > I think all three are general-use languages, but check out a comparison between > C, Python, and Perl written by Eric Raymond at > http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/taoup/chapter3.html > I believe BASIC is a dead end in the Open Source world. Very few people code in it here, because it's not a Real Language (tm). As mentioned before C, Perl and Python are your best bets. C is a workhorse language, but it can be very tedious to code in. Don't even try C++ unless you know C first. Perl will do what you want, but it makes for sloppy code and sloppy programmers. Python will also probably do what you want, but insists on good programming practice. Free advice, and worth every penny. ;-} Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 18:51:38 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06256 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:51:38 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06253 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:51:38 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA04949 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14ouT2-0006nI-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:54:00 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:54:00 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IP MASQ & VPN Message-ID: <20010415175400.C26002@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This bounced because Ian isn't s*bscribed under this address. However, it was worth reposting. Paul ----- Forwarded message from slug@nks.net ----- From: "Ian C. Blenke" Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:35:50 -0400 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IP MASQ & VPN Message-ID: <20010415143550.A30981@blenke.com> References: <007b01c0c22c$494ebb60$c7cb1fac@BALaptop> <3AD46E52.CDD8CC78@illusionary.com> <3AD4942C.FECFD912@nks.net> <008f01c0c2b0$33232db0$78821fac@BALaptop> <3AD623B0.F515AEB6@nks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AD623B0.F515AEB6@nks.net>; from ebravick@nks.net on Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 05:52:48PM -0400 On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 05:52:48PM -0400, Eric Bravick wrote: > > Ah. I don't think that the 2.2.14 IP Chains stuff knows about protocol > 50,51 (IPSEC) so your box is probably just discarding those packets. > IPSEC packets are not IP packets, so there has to be something in the > stack that understands them. I think there was a patch out for this, > but the last time we looked at the older Chains stuff, I don't think my > guys actually got this working. IPSEC uses ESP encapsulation (IP protocol 50) or AH packets (IP protocol 51) for VPN sessions. PPTP uses PPP over GRE (IP protocol 47) for VPN sessions, with an outbound TCP port 1483 control channel to initiate the connection. While these are both IP protocols, your kernel masquerading currently only really knows how to handle TCP (IP protocol 6), UDP (IP protocol 17), and ICMP (IP protocol 1), and then only generically. Some things like active mode FTP transfers require special handling (return TCP port 20 data transfers, etc). The easiest way to get IPSEC working *might* be to directly forward *ALL* type 50 and 51 packets directly through your firewall both ways *WITHOUT* NATting them (changing the src or dst of those packets breaks their authenticity and confuses the remote VPN server). This might allow it to work, but can be quite a large security concern, and will break more than one VPN session from being established through your firewall. The other problem with this is that the remote firewall (or VPN server) would see arriving packets with private IP addresses and would return packets to a non-routable source. This is why you will likely need a patched masquerading module. The "better" way is to patch your kernel masquerading to automagically (and transparently) allow sessions dynamically as they are established. Doing this, the firewall would be able to track multiple IPSEC sessions and route the type 50,51 packets as appropriate. I've had good success tunnelling PPTP over OpenBSD/IPFilter with a simple redir of protocol 47 packets to the client workstation IP behind the firewall. I've also managed to get IPSEC working between two RoadRunner OpenBSD boxen without much hassle (other than the dynamic nature of their IPs). You *could* just use FreeSWAN (http://www.freeswan.org) to VPN directly from your firewall instead of from a client PC behind, which would avoid all of the NAT problems all together. > I would recommend that you upgrade to 2.4 and use the newer Netfilter > stuff, which does support protocol 50,51 and has the tools to build > rules for passing it. I would recommend Netfilter as well: if for nothing more than the ability to use stateful inspection (my primary reasons for using IPFilter and OpenBSD in the first place). > > The client is IPSEC based, and I have successfully gotten it to connect > > through a windows machine running NAT32 for proxy. it just doesn't seem to > > want to go through IP Masq. You will find that there are "grades" of Network Address Translation (NAT) firewalls out there. Linux IP Masquerading is very robust, and can handle a wide variety of plugins... from active mode FTP and real-video streaming in 2.2 kernels and patches for RTP/RTSP H.323 masquerading, to stateful inspection in the newer netfilter stuff. But there are a number of other IP stacks out there as well, on a variety of platforms, with vendors that may or may not handle any given protocol. I've only seen a few NAT implementations that can handle PPTP, and only a couple that are IPSEC aware. > > > Brian, what VPN product is your company running? > > > > > > Generally speaking, there are only 2 flavors of VPN software out there > > > right now, TCP circuit based and IPSEC based. Actually, I've seen mostly PPTP, PPP over L2TP, IPSEC, and oddball proprietary UDP based protocols like Shiva and PGPNet. While a TCP circuit based VPN session would be easy to NAT, I've never really come across anything outside of PPP over SSH (please enlighten me to others though, I'm always looking to learn!) > > > As described by Derek below, some of the TCP circuit based VPN's have a > > > problem with anything NATing the packets in between the client and the > > > server (although most modern clients have solved this problem.) I would have to argue this. TCP circuit based VPNs would be trival to NAT. It's the non-session oriented packet nature of UDP based protocols and other oddball IP protocols like GRE and ESP/AH that really throw firewalls for a loop. > > > > The problem you're probably having is that the encrypted packets contain > > > > your "real" address of the machine behind the Masqueraded connection. > > > > When the packets get NAT'ed through ipmasq, that "internal" address has > > > > already been encrypted into the payload, so when the server decrypts the > > > > packet and tries to send a response back, instead of trying to send it > > > > to your ipmasq box, it thinks it needs to send it to the "real" address > > > > of your machine, which is almost certainly non-routable from the network > > > > perspective of the VPN server. This is usually the primary reason IPSec breaks from a NATted private IP subnet... the masquerading/NAT in your firewall would need to deal with this. > > > > Generally speaking, it's very very difficult to make VPN'ed traffic pass > > > > through a NAT'ed connection. I've seen the ip_masq VPN patch around, > > > > but it's only supposed to work with specific types of VPN software. >From past experience with that patch, I think they were just allowing GRE encapsulated traffic (PPTP). > > > > If it's some flavor of IPSEC implementation, you may have luck, if it's > > > > some kind of proprietary thing, you probably will never get it work > > > > where the packets get NAT'ed through your ipmasq connection. In that case, you'd be on your own. :( A thorough google search may dig up others in your predicament. > > > > You may be better off installing FreeS/WAN on your ipmasq box > > > > (www.freeswan.org) and trying to get the VPN working with it. Note, > > > > however, that FreeS/WAN is IPSEC, so if your VPN is not IPSEC, it will > > > > not work. You can also use an updated pppd and the PPTP client to VPN if your VPN is PPTP/GRE based. It works, but is a real bear to setup. > > > > Unfortunately, I do this kind of stuff at work and this is just the way > > > > the vast majority of products are. Even with IPSEC a fairly > > > > well-established standard, so many companies still do VPNs with a > > > > proprietary 'roll-your-own' protocol that just doesn't work with > > > > anything else. (Of course, that's the whole idea - if your server > > > > worked with everyone else's clients, they wouldn't have to also purchase > > > > the client licenses from you also. *sigh*) Closed source software sucks. :) - Ian C. Blenke ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 19:41:28 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06569 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:41:28 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06566 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:41:27 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA05135 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [63.14.11.117] (1Cust117.tnt2.zephyrhills.fl.da.uu.net [63.14.11.117]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03732 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104152341.QAA03732@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:41:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] writing code From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Actually, the linux-m68k project is wanting when it comes to kernel hackers. Would you like to help? You can check the sourceforge page at http://linux-mac68k.sourceforge.net. Or you can have a look at http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-mac68k. It's different faces of the same page. Russell ____________________________________________________ "I don't care if you're going nowhere, Just take good care of the world." -- Depeche Mode ---------- >From: "Kevin Counts" >To: >Subject: [SLUG] writing code >Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2001, 11:48 AM > > define fun :-) > > --\ > > Kevin Counts > UNIX Systems Group -- Academic Computing > University of South Florida > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:47 AM > > >> >> So, does anyone have anything fun I can write some code for? >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | >> | 813.258.2390 | Network Engineer | >> | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | >> >> > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 20:14:15 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06829 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:14:15 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06826 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:14:15 -0400 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id UAA05280 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc11.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.11) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2001 00:14:13 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3ADA366C.6988A094@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:01:48 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Industrial Linux References: <01041510441903.05739@bubba> <3AD9D074.DB00D04@tampabay.rr.com> <01041513224500.09681@bubba> <3AD9F015.1000401@tampabay.rr.com> <20010415174704.A26002@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 03:01:41PM -0400, Tim Spalding wrote: > > > >> On Sunday 15 April 2001 12:46,Ed wrote: > > >> I'm quite certain that perl or python could handle serial ports too > > >> along with the database stuff but their learning curve may be a bit > > >> steeper than Tcl. > > > > > Bob File wrote: > > > > > Well I don't mind picking up a new language, especially for Linux, but I did > > > not want to tackle C right off the bat... > > > My impression is that perl or python would be more general use languages to > > > use than tcl > > > > I think all three are general-use languages, but check out a comparison between > > C, Python, and Perl written by Eric Raymond at > > http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/taoup/chapter3.html > > > > I believe BASIC is a dead end in the Open Source world. Very few people > code in it here, because it's not a Real Language (tm). As mentioned > before C, Perl and Python are your best bets. C is a workhorse > language, but it can be very tedious to code in. Don't even try C++ > unless you know C first. Perl will do what you want, but it makes for > sloppy code and sloppy programmers. Python will also probably do what > you want, but insists on good programming practice. > > Free advice, and worth every penny. ;-} Well, since we're all putting in out *chink chink* 2 cents' worth, here's my shpeel: If you feel like a language in which you can do pretty fast application programming, is generally easy and don't really wish to do much in the way of racking your brains, Python is DEFFINITELLY the way to go. It's clean, easy to read, object oriented to the core and plays nice with multiple OSs. Now, if you want to actually learn more about your computer and the way that it works (namelly memory management, which really translates to the transfer of ALL information), then forget Python and take a look at C (which, by the way, is what Python is written in ANYWAYS, so if you pick C up and pick up its concepts well enough you can pick up Python and even rewrite part of the language to fit your needs. Of course, if you want most of the advantages of C (ie. you learn about your computer beautifully) and also like the fact that you don't need a compiler ( good when building quick scripts right off the top of your head to do menial and even important tasks), then Look at Perl. By the way, Python is also interpreted, which means that it has lots of power but programs written in it run slower than they would if written in C, which is basically human-readable Assembly (actually, it's very readable when you know the syntax). My recomendation: Python. Why? It's quick to learn, it's easy, it's a pretty powerful new language and it makes a nice adition to almost any language, such a C, C++, Perl, Java, blah blah blah, as well as stand nicelly on it's own two(three or four) legs. Besides, we need more Python programers. And you have to admit that there's something to be said about the attitude of programmers who work in a language named in honnor of a comedy troupe. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 20:38:02 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06979 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:38:02 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06976 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:38:02 -0400 Received: from server3.safepages.com (server3.safepages.com [216.127.146.5]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA05359 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux (1Cust248.tnt4.clearwater.fl.da.uu.net [63.25.69.248]) by server3.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D6C1B5E0D for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:34:19 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Re: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:32:55 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041519325500.00252@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is easy. A Linux CAD/CAM package that doesn't just draw, it generates the code to run the machine as well. Do it for kde (qt2, actually), using openGL for solid rendering and the ability to generate code for a wide variety of machine... basically, take a FANUC and a Heidenhain and divide them :) Windows has software to do this, Linux does not. The GNU-cad-cam project on Sourceforge which has a nice roadmap, but has no code. I started a kde2 app for this, but kdevelop did all the work starting it and now I'm stuck because I don't know kdelibs or qt :) Beyond this we need an accounting package good enough for large corporations to use. We have gnucash, but that's for balancing your checkbook. Something industrial strength that an accountant can use without learning an new language. Glen On Saturday 14 April 2001 10:47, you wrote: > So, does anyone have anything fun I can write some code for? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | > | 813.258.2390 | Network Engineer | > | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 21:41:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07449 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:41:22 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07446 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:41:21 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA05672 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phoenixden (241649hfc97.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.9.97]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3G1fJC06150 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003901c0c616$420248c0$6109a418@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Jeffery Jacoby" To: References: <01041510441903.05739@bubba> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Industrial Linux Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:40:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, I'm not so hot with Perl or Python but I've done real time systems using multiple serial ports in C and C++ and it's really not that bad. If that's the route you choose to go give me a holler and I'll give you any pointers I can. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob File" To: "Slug" Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 10:44 AM Subject: [SLUG] Industrial Linux > I apologise profusely if this ends up being the third time this get sent to > the list. Reading about sendmail wasn't on the list for today. ;-} > I am an instrument tech at an industrial site (OJ plant). I have a > project pending that I would like to use Linux for. I am not sure I can > pull it off with the skills I have now. We sometimes fill 55 gallon > drums with orange juice for shipment to a customer. We do this by > putting the drum on a scale and weighing it as it fills with juice. > We use a small "computer" to accomplish this. It has 8 digital inputs, 8 > digital outputs and 4 serial ports. It has an embedded interpreter/os in > it that one writes programs for and they are run in real time. The > interpreter allows storage of some data in a flat table. I just finished > rewriting the printing routines to use new bar code printers. I am told > by management that our barrel filling will be increasing because our > parent company has bought other OJ facilities and wants to use our site > to package all barrel orders. Right now the barrel is filled, a ticket > printed with various information on it to put on the barrel and the same > information is recorded to a table. At the end of the run another serial > port is used to print the table. This is the only record of the run > because the table is cleared before the next run. I think it is time to > start recording this information to a database on a PC. My current idea > is to send the barrel data to a PC via serial port, and let the PC > record the data in a database and then send the data back out another > serial port to the bar code printer. I am not really a Linux programmer, > but I think I could probably muddle my way through the database part of > the setup with one of the interpreted languages available. What I don't > know or even have a clue about is the serial port part of this project. > How do I get the data in and back out? Will Perl or Python allow me to > open a serial port and ship data in and out? I know I can pull this off > in VB, but would rather avoid it if possible. I will be getting a "hand > me down" PC for this project from the next plant wide upgrade of PCs, so > the PC won't be the latest and greatest. Plus there are lots of > liscencing issues with the Win stuff. I think a Linux box for this > project would give me more flexibility. > So am I going to have to learn enough "C" to use the serial port or is > there another way to do this? I am looking at the Kermit program for > this, but I am not sure I can do what I want to with it's scripting > language. > Any clues tossed my way would be appreciated. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 22:13:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07696 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:13:12 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07693 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:13:11 -0400 Received: from fl-mta03.durocom.com (fl-mta03.durocom.com [216.53.195.244]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA05829 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.66]) by fl-mta03.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010416021035.NXVM29227.fl-mta03@mpinet.net> for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:35 -0400 Message-ID: <3ADA5421.1907C9F6@mpinet.net> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:08:33 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: References: <01041519325500.00252@linux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Glen Canaday wrote: > > This is easy. A Linux CAD/CAM package that doesn't just draw, it generates > the code to run the machine as well. Do it for kde (qt2, actually), using > openGL for solid rendering and the ability to generate code for a wide > variety of machine... basically, take a FANUC and a Heidenhain and divide > them :) Windows has software to do this, Linux does not. The GNU-cad-cam > project on Sourceforge which has a nice roadmap, but has no code. I started a > kde2 app for this, but kdevelop did all the work starting it and now I'm > stuck because I don't know kdelibs or qt :) See CAM Expert bucko! http://www.ribbonsoft.com > > Beyond this we need an accounting package good enough for large corporations > to use. We have gnucash, but that's for balancing your checkbook. Something > industrial strength that an accountant can use without learning an new > language. There are already several of those, even fewer for small businesses:Bestacct and Appgen power windows, the former having poor documentation, but quite usable, and the latter being difficult to use as well as poorly documented. Both are expensive. Smitty > > Glen > > On Saturday 14 April 2001 10:47, you wrote: > > So, does anyone have anything fun I can write some code for? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | > > | 813.258.2390 | Network Engineer | > > | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 22:29:33 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07831 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:29:33 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07828 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:29:33 -0400 Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id WAA05914 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc11.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.11) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2001 02:29:31 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3ADA55F8.8D0FF278@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:16:24 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Industrial Linux References: <01041510441903.05739@bubba> <003901c0c616$420248c0$6109a418@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Jeffery Jacoby wrote: > > Well, I'm not so hot with Perl or Python but I've done real time systems > using multiple serial ports in C and C++ and it's really not that bad. If > that's the route you choose to go give me a holler and I'll give you any > pointers I can. Pun intended? ;) Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 15 23:18:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08175 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:18:20 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08172 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:18:20 -0400 Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA06142 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from louise (ip134.tampa7.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.6.134]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3G3IHH11780; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:18:17 -0400 Message-ID: <004e01c0c623$452e6f80$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: Cc: References: Subject: [SLUG] Re: Industrial Fun Code Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:12:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Are you following the email tread on Industrial Linux ??? Would that be "fun" ?? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark To: Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:47 AM > > So, does anyone have anything fun I can write some code for? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | > | 813.258.2390 | Network Engineer | > | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 00:10:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08604 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:10:42 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08601 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:10:41 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA06455 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phoenixden (241649hfc97.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.9.97]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3G4AeC00958 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001f01c0c62b$1ed8ec40$6109a418@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Jeffery Jacoby" To: References: <01041510441903.05739@bubba> <003901c0c616$420248c0$6109a418@tampabay.rr.com> <3ADA55F8.8D0FF278@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Industrial Linux Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:10:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norbert Cartagena" To: Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Industrial Linux > Jeffery Jacoby wrote: > > > > Well, I'm not so hot with Perl or Python but I've done real time systems > > using multiple serial ports in C and C++ and it's really not that bad. If > > that's the route you choose to go give me a holler and I'll give you any > > pointers I can. > > Pun intended? ;) > I've been doing this too long, I don't even notice when I make a bad joke anymore :-) . From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 00:32:43 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08812 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:32:43 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08809 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:32:42 -0400 Received: from web1006.mail.yahoo.com (web1006.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.96]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id AAA06573 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9924 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Apr 2001 04:32:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20010416043240.9923.qmail@web1006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.26.64.227] by web1006.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:32:40 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:32:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Toby FreakSoft Subject: Re: [SLUG] Industrial Linux To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3AD9D074.DB00D04@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Being a C programmer myself I would use C. To read and write to a serial prot is rather easy. The HOWTO almost takes all the fun out of doing the programming. The only thing I am wondering is about the bar code printer. This maybe a problem you will have with all the languages if you don't know now to correctly write to it. Although if you have a document or know how then nevermind. All in all I would use C.. But in the end it may come down to what languages do you know and how much time do you have to learn it in... ~ T __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 08:43:03 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13721 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:43:03 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13718 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:43:02 -0400 Received: from web3602.mail.yahoo.com (web3602.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.97]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id IAA09639 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010416124301.8174.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.110.72] by web3602.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 05:43:01 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 05:43:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: Re: [SLUG] Jam session at SYCOM To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <01041508024400.10923@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sorry I am slacker .. I was off the puter all weekend.. doing the family thing :) I really enjoyed the jam as well. Whenever anyone is up for it.. I would like to get ot another session. After I got home I also had another brainstorm for a song. How about " Windows, I dont love you anymore.." I hear a country motif there ( eeewwwwwwwww).. :) Sean I am sorry we didnt get to hear you play. and that I suffer from Halfs-heimers.. :) And out side of the string tragedy.. a goot time was had by all I see. I think we should also set aside a small amount of time for planning at our next meeting.. As an aside..I would think it would be wise for us to decide what we might want to play.. and ensure that music falls in the public domain ( how open source of us :) A small amount of planning may assist in productivity ? I did enjoy the scale excercise though. Good job Norb ! Ed.. thoroughly enjoyed the initial blues ! OK.. so when is everyone avialable again and Norb when can we get the studio again.. ?? and Norb, I would like to talk with you more about the recording mechanics maybe off list ... Unless of course everryone else is going to call for a firing squad short of a NEW SLUG- Eine Kliena Slug Muzik LIST !!!!! and the name was ummm........ MARK !!!!!!!!! :) *** *** * *** * | | | | *============****** * *============****** * * *** * ********* *** *** OK so it aint perfect :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 10:56:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15568 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:56:20 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15565 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:56:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3ADB0814.21E7BBF5@illusionary.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:56:20 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] CTS List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi all SLUGgers, For people interested in corresponding about the CTS expo, either for planning purposes, questions about what to bring, just want to see what's going on, we've set up a special CTS Expo mailing list here. (we've actually had it up for a month or so, but nobody's much known about it I suppose, hence this email...) Here's the scoop from our list manager on how to get on: "I've switched the list over to an open subscribe policy requiring an automated confirm. Send majordomo@nks.net the message subscribe cts-expo You'll get one piece of mail from majordomo saying someone has tried to subscribe you to cts-expo, and another mail message with a subscribe line you need to send back to "majordomo@nks.net". After you respond to the second mail message you should be subscribed." If you're already on (and anyone who left their email with Bill at the two meetings previous to last week was added) you can send email to the list at: cts-expo@nks.net See you there! -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 11:39:17 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16117 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:39:17 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16114 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:39:16 -0400 Received: from globenet.globe-nett.com ([206.96.179.169]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA11153 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golde.timjones.com (653246hfc82.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.46.82]) by globenet.globe-nett.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3GFd8607610; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:39:09 GMT Received: (from tim@localhost) by golde.timjones.com (8.11.0/8.11.0/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) id f3GFjR102386; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:45:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:45:26 -0400 From: Tim Jones To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MS claims "We're more secure... really" Message-ID: <20010416114526.D1903@linuxtampa.com> References: <200104131546.IAA16511@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> <3AD8EEA2.50507@tampabay.rr.com> <01041420425100.00966@localhost.localdomain> <3AD8F620.5030303@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AD8F620.5030303@tampabay.rr.com>; from dominus@tampabay.rr.com on Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 09:15:12PM -0400 Organization: LinuxTampa.com: 100% pure Linux/FreeBSD Consultancy X-LinuxTampa: Visit http://www.linuxtampa.com to benefit from liberated software! Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 09:15:12PM -0400, Tim Spalding wrote: > patrick wrote: > > > and check this out too :) > > > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-5565061.html > > Hmmm... After installing Windows XP, the hardware fails... and it's the > HARDWARE's fault?!?!? What's wrong with this picture? Hmmm, I thought they were ultimately moving toward only pre-loaded Windows systems being legal? OHMYGOD, BILL - SOMEONE HAS AN XP CD!!! AFTER HIM!!! (the sound of men with M-16s...) > If I were paranoid, I'd suspect a news-media payoff. As it is, could it just be > irresponsibly sloppy reporting? You be the judge. That's ALWAYS a distinct possibility... MS is a huge advertiser. Consider also that the hardware vendor is unnamed. It's not just MS buying a cover-up - it's an OEM purchasing anonymity as well. (Dell, Gateway, IBM, NEC, maybe? Naw - PACKARD BELL!) Tim -- ----------------------------------------------- Timothy Jones - LinuxTampa.com - 813-65-LINUX Open Source Programming, Databases & Networking ----------------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 12:08:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16462 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:08:58 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16459 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:08:58 -0400 Received: from mail.qsl.net ([63.238.179.181]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA11364 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wtog105 (ip216.tampa16.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.46.216]) by mail.qsl.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3GGA4007422; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:10:04 -0400 Message-ID: <00ca01c0c68f$636a2ea0$582e2526@wtog105> From: "Ron KA4INM Youvan" To: References: <01041510441903.05739@bubba> <3AD9D074.DB00D04@tampabay.rr.com> <01041513224500.09681@bubba> <3AD9F015.1000401@tampabay.rr.com> <20010415174704.A26002@quillandmouse.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Industrial Linux Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:07:01 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi: > I believe BASIC is a dead end in the Open Source world. Very few people > code in it here, because it's not a Real Language (tm). As a BASIC programmer, I think it is dead in our world because no one has written a symbolic version with all of the advanced programming features of "C" as M$ did with `programmers BASIC development system Ver. 7' which I used for years. Or did I miss it? I can't find one. 73 (= Best Regards) de: (= this is) Ron ka4inm@qsl.net Please visit my HAM web site at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 12:14:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16482 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:14:07 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16479 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:14:06 -0400 Received: from globenet.globe-nett.com ([206.96.179.169]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA11386 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from golde.timjones.com (653246hfc82.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.46.82]) by globenet.globe-nett.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3GGDx607873; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:13:59 GMT Received: (from tim@localhost) by golde.timjones.com (8.11.0/8.11.0/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) id f3GGKBM02721; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:20:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:20:11 -0400 From: Tim Jones To: Bob File Cc: Slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] Industrial Linux Message-ID: <20010416122011.E1903@linuxtampa.com> References: <01041510441903.05739@bubba> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01041510441903.05739@bubba>; from rfile@innet.com on Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 10:44:19AM -0400 Organization: LinuxTampa.com: 100% pure Linux/FreeBSD Consultancy X-LinuxTampa: Visit http://www.linuxtampa.com to benefit from liberated software! Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 10:44:19AM -0400, Bob File wrote: > I apologise profusely if this ends up being the third time this get sent to > the list. Reading about sendmail wasn't on the list for today. ;-} > I am an instrument tech at an industrial site (OJ plant). Tropicana in Bradenton by any chance? > I have a > project pending that I would like to use Linux for. I am not sure I can > pull it off with the skills I have now. We sometimes fill 55 gallon > drums with orange juice for shipment to a customer. We do this by > putting the drum on a scale and weighing it as it fills with juice. > We use a small "computer" to accomplish this. It has 8 digital inputs, 8 > digital outputs and 4 serial ports. It has an embedded interpreter/os in > it that one writes programs for and they are run in real time. The > interpreter allows storage of some data in a flat table. I just finished > rewriting the printing routines to use new bar code printers. I am told > by management that our barrel filling will be increasing because our > parent company has bought other OJ facilities and wants to use our site > to package all barrel orders. Right now the barrel is filled, a ticket > printed with various information on it to put on the barrel and the same > information is recorded to a table. At the end of the run another serial > port is used to print the table. This is the only record of the run > because the table is cleared before the next run. I think it is time to > start recording this information to a database on a PC. My current idea > is to send the barrel data to a PC via serial port, and let the PC > record the data in a database and then send the data back out another > serial port to the bar code printer. I am not really a Linux programmer, > but I think I could probably muddle my way through the database part of > the setup with one of the interpreted languages available. What I don't > know or even have a clue about is the serial port part of this project. The serial port stuff is tricky, for a couple reasons: First off, you open the /dev/ttyS[0-3] devices, BUT you have to get the baud rate, stop bits, and parity set EXACTLY the right way, which is done through the tcgetattr and tcsetattr calls. Look up the manual pages, they are old, crufty and non-trivial. Jamie Zawinski of Netscape fame eventually solved this problem by invoking stty and cu, respectively: sub open_modem { use IPC::Open2; my $stty = `/bin/stty -g`; open2( \*MODEM_IN, \*MODEM_OUT, "cu -l$modem_device -s2400 2>&1"); # starting cu hoses /dev/tty's stty settings, even when it has # been opened on a pipe... system("/bin/stty $stty"); $_ = ; chop; if ( !m/^Connected/ ) { print STDERR "$0: cu printed `$_' instead of `Connected'\n"; } } The second problem is basically the same with any interprocess communications: TIMEOUTs. In other words, you have to be able to wait a certain period of time for your response. You cannot wait indefinitely, because if the other side goes down, you'll not be able to report the error. Anytime socket communications or serial ports get involved, I move to an event-based programming, combined with a state machine. There is a state where I send to the remote system (sockets or serial, doesn't matter which), and another state where I set an alarm, and wait for a response. If the alarm goes off, then I know I didn't get my response. If I DO get my response, I cancel the alarm, and continue. I usually have a retry mechanism as well, for devices that report back a status code. > I think a Linux box for this > project would give me more flexibility. > So am I going to have to learn enough "C" to use the serial port or is > there another way to do this? I am looking at the Kermit program for > this, but I am not sure I can do what I want to with it's scripting > language. I don't think Kermit will be enough for this project. > Any clues tossed my way would be appreciated. Well, I gave my clues above. What *I* would appreciate is a little side work from helping you implement this. Please have your boss consider having me come to do this project: I charge $75/hour. Thanks, Tim -- ----------------------------------------------- Timothy Jones - LinuxTampa.com - 813-65-LINUX Open Source Programming, Databases & Networking ----------------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 12:36:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16715 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:36:47 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16712 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:36:47 -0400 Received: from mail.qsl.net ([63.238.179.181]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA11528 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wtog105 (ip216.tampa16.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.46.216]) by mail.qsl.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3GGbs011396; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:37:54 -0400 Message-ID: <00fa01c0c693$45e806a0$582e2526@wtog105> From: "Ron KA4INM Youvan" To: References: <3AD53644.5E02CEDC@yahoo.com> <3AD53944.6040004@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD5B611.5F5B038D@mpinet.net> <3AD8F563.60204@tampabay.rr.com> <3AD8F850.4D30DBF4@mpinet.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Gnome 1.4 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:35:35 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi: > > If someone who's already been using Linux for a while wants to support a > > distribution maker, wouldn't it make more sense to save them the expense of a > > would-be-unused box set and just send them the money directly in the form of a > > contribution? No matter how basic the book is that comes with it, (Slackware) I always learn a bunch from it. I buy the new destro. every other year. (looking forward to it) 73 (= Best Regards) de: (= this is) Ron ka4inm@qsl.net Please visit my HAM web site at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 13:15:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17050 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:15:55 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17047 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:15:54 -0400 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id NAA11768 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12473 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2001 17:15:53 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 16 Apr 2001 17:15:53 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([64.182.194.58]) by stewartsigns.com ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:15:50 -0500 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] samba frustration--it works,, somewhat Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:15:28 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002c01c0c441$f3bc5be0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am now reading my files in each directory that I have setup as shares. In answer to Larry, I set encrypted passwords with my entries in the global section of the smb.conf file. encrypt passwords = yes smb passwd file = 'assigned path to smbpasswd' Then ,,,and I left my samba book home today[senior moment],,, you have to run a program to move your /etc/passwd file to the /etc/smbpasswd file. Then you add passwords the same way you do with the passwd command: #smbpasswd 'user name' newpasswd> 'enter new password' You have to do this for every user that is to have a share or access to a share. I also had public set to 'no' in my share and when you do this you need a valid users statement which I did not have,,,I do now!! I couldn't even get into my own share!!! stop and start samba and away you go. For For The rest of you,,, some of my share names [and file names] were longer than 8 characters and Windows would not see them. That was easy to correct. I think there is a way around this in NT or maybe it does it automatically,,, can't say right now for sure. The only issue left is the inability to create sub directories in shares and have windows see them,,, or even see them if they were created in windows!! Any ideas here?? Michael C. Rock From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 16:51:36 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19330 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:51:36 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19327 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:51:36 -0400 Received: from bubba.innet.com (tampa-45.innet.com [63.144.204.45] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id QAA13452 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bubba (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bubba.innet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with SMTP id f3GKW0301254 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:32:00 -0400 From: Bob File To: "Slug" Subject: Re: [SLUG] Industrial Linux Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:32:00 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <01041510441903.05739@bubba> <20010416122011.E1903@linuxtampa.com> In-Reply-To: <20010416122011.E1903@linuxtampa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041616320000.00839@bubba> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 16 April 2001 12:20, Tim Jones wrote: > Well, I gave my clues above. What *I* would appreciate is a little side > work from helping you implement this. Please have your boss consider > having me come to do this project: I charge $75/hour. > Thanks for the clues, Tom. I am reading python docs and have come across the tcsetattr calls already. So far this project is only and idea... From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 17:21:37 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19558 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:21:37 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19555 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:21:36 -0400 Received: from bubba.innet.com (tampa-45.innet.com [63.144.204.45] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id RAA13722 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bubba (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bubba.innet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with SMTP id f3GL2I301337 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:02:18 -0400 From: Bob File To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Industrial Linux Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:02:18 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <01041510441903.05739@bubba> <20010415174704.A26002@quillandmouse.com> <3ADA366C.6988A094@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3ADA366C.6988A094@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041617021803.00839@bubba> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 15 April 2001 20:01, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Besides, we need more > Python programers. And you have to admit that there's something to be > said about the attitude of programmers who work in a language named in > honnor of a comedy troupe. > Yes, and I tend to agree with that. ;-} Monty should be proud. Bob ( i AM the electrician you're waiting on!) File From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 17:21:38 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19567 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:21:38 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19564 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:21:38 -0400 Received: from bubba.innet.com (tampa-45.innet.com [63.144.204.45] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id RAA13727 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bubba (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bubba.innet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with SMTP id f3GKvm301305 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:57:48 -0400 From: Bob File To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Industrial Linux Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:57:48 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20010416043240.9923.qmail@web1006.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010416043240.9923.qmail@web1006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041616574802.00839@bubba> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 16 April 2001 00:32, Toby FreakSoft wrote: > Being a C programmer myself I would use C. To read and write to a serial > prot is rather easy. The HOWTO almost takes all the fun out of doing the > programming. The only thing I am wondering is about the bar code printer. > This maybe a problem you will have with all the languages if you don't know > now to correctly write to it. Although if you have a document or know how > then nevermind. All in all I would use C.. But in the end it may come down > to what languages do you know and how much time do you have to learn it > in... > > Yes, I already know how to get the printers to do what I want.. I have a stand alone (VB) proggie for printing and I also did the printer programming for a SCADA node we have that uses barocde printers (once again, VB). At this point I am thinking that it may take me much longer to get up to speed with C than one of the other languages. I certainly appreciate the feedback, though. You're talking about the serial port programming how-to? I just found one under the LDP.. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 18:47:23 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20260 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:47:23 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20257 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:47:23 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA14224 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14pGsj-00078J-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:50:01 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:50:01 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] My Microsoft Call Message-ID: <20010416175001.A27414@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net SLUGs: So I'm at work today and I get this phone call. From Microsoft. At first, I'm thinking, oh boy, the BSA is coming. No, they want to sell me something. I wonder how they got my name? (Duh, they're Microsoft; they probably have _everybody's_ name.) Okay, so what does he want to sell me? It's some sort of whizbang website thing that's supposed to bring customers to my site and blah yada blah. Okay, is it some software I run on my system? No. Okay, is it something I have to run on the server that houses the website? No. Do I have to move my site to Microsoft servers? No. Okay, does any of my data or my customers' data flow through Microsoft servers? Well, yeah. Aha! He obviously didn't realize who he was calling. So I let him know. I explained to him how Microsoft had gotten their butts in trouble recently with their little Passport TOS fiasco. And how Microsoft wasn't exactly a friend of us folks in the Open Source/Linux world. And how Allchin and Ballmer had both come out recently against Linux and Open Source, and... Click. I get sales calls all the time from people trying to sell my company one thing or another, and as aggravated as I am by it, I let them give their little spiel and then try to politely decline. And they almost never hang up on me. But I was ready for this guy. And I danced a little jig when I got off the phone. Ha ha hee hee ho ho! (Childish yes, I know, but how often do you get to just unload on some poor defenseless telemarketing geek?) Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 19:13:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20478 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:13:49 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20475 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:13:49 -0400 Received: from server5.safepages.com (server5.safepages.com [216.127.146.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA14378 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux (1Cust157.tnt3.clearwater.fl.da.uu.net [63.23.192.157]) by server5.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BD76170DC5 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:08:01 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:06:25 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01041519325500.00252@linux> <3ADA5421.1907C9F6@mpinet.net> In-Reply-To: <3ADA5421.1907C9F6@mpinet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041618062500.00254@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm looking at cam expert. The selling point here is how configurable the ISO output actually is. The accounting package: ok. There's the project right there. Accountants don't know crap about using a computer (at least it must be assumed so), so an easy to use accounting package sounds right up Linux's alley. I can think of several customers who could make the switch if at least this were available. Glen On Sunday 15 April 2001 22:08, you wrote: > Glen Canaday wrote: > > This is easy. A Linux CAD/CAM package that doesn't just draw, it > > generates the code to run the machine as well. Do it for kde (qt2, > > actually), using openGL for solid rendering and the ability to generate > > code for a wide variety of machine... basically, take a FANUC and a > > Heidenhain and divide them :) Windows has software to do this, Linux does > > not. The GNU-cad-cam project on Sourceforge which has a nice roadmap, but > > has no code. I started a kde2 app for this, but kdevelop did all the work > > starting it and now I'm stuck because I don't know kdelibs or qt :) > > See CAM Expert bucko! http://www.ribbonsoft.com > > > Beyond this we need an accounting package good enough for large > > corporations to use. We have gnucash, but that's for balancing your > > checkbook. Something industrial strength that an accountant can use > > without learning an new language. > > There are already several of those, even fewer for small > businesses:Bestacct and Appgen power windows, the former having poor > documentation, but quite usable, and the latter being difficult to use > as well as poorly documented. Both are expensive. > > Smitty > > > Glen > > > > On Saturday 14 April 2001 10:47, you wrote: > > > So, does anyone have anything fun I can write some code for? > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >- > > > > > > | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer > > > | | 813.258.2390 | Network Engineer > > > | | http://bish.net | Embedded > > > | Programmer | From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 19:39:48 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20618 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:39:48 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20615 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:39:48 -0400 Received: from server1.safepages.com (server1.safepages.com [216.127.146.3]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA14481 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux (1Cust226.tnt18.clearwater.fl.da.uu.net [63.11.105.226]) by server1.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CFC25D10 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:39:45 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: cam/accounting packages Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:38:28 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01041519325500.00252@linux> <3ADA5421.1907C9F6@mpinet.net> In-Reply-To: <3ADA5421.1907C9F6@mpinet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041618382802.00254@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I looked at this. No machinist in his right mind would use this. It can't be customized for individual controllers., i.e. if anyone looking for gcode for a heidenhain looked here, they would find a program they'd have to hand edit.... every single curve actually. Standard: G03 Xxxx.xxxx Yyyy.yyyy Iiii.iiii Jjjj.jjjj heidenhain: Xxxx.xxxx Yyyy.yyyy G03 Iiiii.iiii Jjjj.jjjj Nice try, tho. Glen > > See CAM Expert bucko! http://www.ribbonsoft.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 20:32:21 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20971 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:32:21 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20968 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:32:21 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA14739 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3H0WJC08468 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ADB8F86.3F52FEC4@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:34:14 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "[SLUG]" Subject: [SLUG] This is the end.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The last Microsoft running machine at my house is under attack. No, not by crackers or script kiddies -- by Linux. This weekend I installed two removeable drive racks in my wife's machine and put her existing drive (with NT) in one rack and a new hard drive in the other. With some help from me, she installed SuSE 7.1 on the new drive and can simply physically swap the drives to boot one OS or the other. I call it "swap boot" instead of dual boot. She was thrilled with the new KDE 2 desktop and her comment at looking at some of the installed software was "I got more stuff than God! What do I need NT for?". Once I get the Wacom tablet driver installed I think it will be over for MS at my house. The SuSE install automatically found the NT partitions and put mounting icons on the desktop for all the microsoft filesystems on the old NT drive. Even the compressed NTFS file system mounts and it's files are available under linux. I'm impressed. "This is the end... ... Can you picture what will be, So limitless and free.." --The Doors Ed. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 20:50:53 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21134 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:50:53 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21131 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:50:53 -0400 Received: from harry.dnsq.org (2416457hfc156.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.57.156]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA14863 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from homer (homer [192.168.1.101]) by harry.dnsq.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA02735 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:50:34 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01c0c6d8$4151f660$6501a8c0@homer> From: "A. Harry Harrison" To: References: <01041519325500.00252@linux> <3ADA5421.1907C9F6@mpinet.net> <01041618062500.00254@linux> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:49:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This project started out strong a few months back, but little or no activity has been seen. Shame really, it's just what we need. http://openacct.sourceforge.net/ -------------------------------------------------------- A. Harry Harrison Digital Computer Technologies www.dcomptech.com Glen Canaday > I'm looking at cam expert. The selling point here is how configurable the ISO > output actually is. > > The accounting package: ok. There's the project right there. Accountants > don't know crap about using a computer (at least it must be assumed so), so > an easy to use accounting package sounds right up Linux's alley. I can think > of several customers who could make the switch if at least this were > available. > > Glen From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 21:21:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21330 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:21:59 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21327 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:21:59 -0400 Received: from bubba.innet.com (root@tampa-45.innet.com [63.144.204.45] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA14985 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bubba (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bubba.innet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with SMTP id f3H0rS302654 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:53:28 -0400 From: Bob File To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] This is the end.... Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:53:27 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3ADB8F86.3F52FEC4@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3ADB8F86.3F52FEC4@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041620532704.00839@bubba> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 16 April 2001 20:34, Ed Centanni wrote: > Once I get the Wacom tablet driver installed I think it will be > over for MS at my house. > I didn't know Linux had tablet support.! Just gotta ask; will that work with the Gimp? Please post if you are successfull with the tablet. Congrats on "the end". From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 21:22:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21339 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:22:12 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21336 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:22:12 -0400 Received: from bubba.innet.com (root@tampa-45.innet.com [63.144.204.45] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA14988 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bubba (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bubba.innet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with SMTP id f3H0tn302656 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:55:49 -0400 From: Bob File To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] My Microsoft Call Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:55:49 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20010416175001.A27414@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20010416175001.A27414@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041620554905.00839@bubba> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 16 April 2001 17:50, Paul M Foster wrote: > SLUGs: > > So I'm at work today and I get this phone call. From Microsoft. At - snip - > Source, and... > That must have felt really good. It takes a special kinda person to be a telemarketer; and an EVEN MORE special person to get a telemarketer to HUP. hehe From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 21:32:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21391 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:32:47 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21388 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:32:46 -0400 Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA15031 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (dialup-63.208.206.78.Tampa1.Level3.net [63.208.206.78]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04440 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3ADB9D24.E68029A5@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:32:20 -0400 From: "sotl155360@earthlink.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, en-US, en-GB, es, es-ES, ex-MX, es-AR, es-CO MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: References: <01041519325500.00252@linux> <3ADA5421.1907C9F6@mpinet.net> <01041618062500.00254@linux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Glen Canaday wrote: > > I'm looking at cam expert. The selling point here is how configurable the ISO > output actually is. > > The accounting package: ok. There's the project right there. Accountants > don't know crap about using a computer (at least it must be assumed so), so > an easy to use accounting package sounds right up Linux's alley. I can think > of several customers who could make the switch if at least this were > available. > > Glen And from what I have observed they do not know crap about accounting either. There was a very nice account package that ran under dos way back then. It would have been perfect for my usage, double entry project bookkeeping: it had a great one line record, easy to configure, and it was small and public domain too. Problem was that some idiot had decided to make taxes a part of the system and there was no way to get rid of taxes. So I call the author on the phone, some accounting type who did program on the side. No matter how hard I tried to explain he just could not understand that there were no taxes. He just could not grasp the simple principal that one could have a situation where there are situations where there are no taxes. A good example of this is a project accounting where taxes are paid by the parent company but that does not enter into the project's accounting. That is a function performed by others. I mention this because if you are interested I will see if I can find that old program and email it to you. This would give you something to work from in the idea department. Frank > > On Sunday 15 April 2001 22:08, you wrote: > > Glen Canaday wrote: > > > This is easy. A Linux CAD/CAM package that doesn't just draw, it > > > generates the code to run the machine as well. Do it for kde (qt2, > > > actually), using openGL for solid rendering and the ability to generate > > > code for a wide variety of machine... basically, take a FANUC and a > > > Heidenhain and divide them :) Windows has software to do this, Linux does > > > not. The GNU-cad-cam project on Sourceforge which has a nice roadmap, but > > > has no code. I started a kde2 app for this, but kdevelop did all the work > > > starting it and now I'm stuck because I don't know kdelibs or qt :) > > > > See CAM Expert bucko! http://www.ribbonsoft.com > > > > > Beyond this we need an accounting package good enough for large > > > corporations to use. We have gnucash, but that's for balancing your > > > checkbook. Something industrial strength that an accountant can use > > > without learning an new language. > > > > There are already several of those, even fewer for small > > businesses:Bestacct and Appgen power windows, the former having poor > > documentation, but quite usable, and the latter being difficult to use > > as well as poorly documented. Both are expensive. > > > > Smitty > > > > > Glen > > > > > > On Saturday 14 April 2001 10:47, you wrote: > > > > So, does anyone have anything fun I can write some code for? > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >- > > > > > > > > | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer > > > > | | 813.258.2390 | Network Engineer > > > > | | http://bish.net | Embedded > > > > | Programmer | From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 22:01:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21605 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:01:29 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21602 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:01:28 -0400 Received: from fl-mta03.durocom.com (fl-mta03.durocom.com [216.53.195.244]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA15163 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.29]) by fl-mta03.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010417015851.QWUE29227.fl-mta03@mpinet.net> for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:58:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3ADBA2E2.17A76D3C@mpinet.net> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:56:50 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] My Microsoft Call References: <20010416175001.A27414@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M. Foster is hereby commended for rattling a microsoft shill! Smitty Paul M Foster wrote: > > SLUGs: > > So I'm at work today and I get this phone call. From Microsoft. At > first, I'm thinking, oh boy, the BSA is coming. No, they want to sell me > something. I wonder how they got my name? (Duh, they're Microsoft; they > probably have _everybody's_ name.) > > Okay, so what does he want to sell me? It's some sort of whizbang > website thing that's supposed to bring customers to my site and blah > yada blah. Okay, is it some software I run on my system? No. Okay, is it > something I have to run on the server that houses the website? No. Do I > have to move my site to Microsoft servers? No. Okay, does any of my data > or my customers' data flow through Microsoft servers? Well, yeah. > > Aha! He obviously didn't realize who he was calling. So I let him know. > I explained to him how Microsoft had gotten their butts in trouble > recently with their little Passport TOS fiasco. And how Microsoft wasn't > exactly a friend of us folks in the Open Source/Linux world. And how > Allchin and Ballmer had both come out recently against Linux and Open > Source, and... > > Click. > > I get sales calls all the time from people trying to sell my company one > thing or another, and as aggravated as I am by it, I let them give their > little spiel and then try to politely decline. And they almost never > hang up on me. > > But I was ready for this guy. And I danced a little jig when I got off > the phone. > > Ha ha hee hee ho ho! (Childish yes, I know, but how often do you get to > just unload on some poor defenseless telemarketing geek?) > > Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 22:07:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21722 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:07:55 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21719 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:07:55 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA15228 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [63.14.11.125] (1Cust125.tnt2.zephyrhills.fl.da.uu.net [63.14.11.125]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03405 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104170207.TAA03405@harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:07:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] My Microsoft Call From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net In a manly, Robin-Hood like voice, I say: "Hooray!!" Russell ____________________________________________________ "I don't care if you're going nowhere, Just take good care of the world." -- Depeche Mode ---------- >From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] My Microsoft Call >Date: Mon, Apr 16, 2001, 9:56 PM > > Paul M. Foster is hereby commended for rattling a microsoft shill! > Smitty > > Paul M Foster wrote: >> >> SLUGs: >> >> So I'm at work today and I get this phone call. From Microsoft. At >> first, I'm thinking, oh boy, the BSA is coming. No, they want to sell me >> something. I wonder how they got my name? (Duh, they're Microsoft; they >> probably have _everybody's_ name.) >> >> Okay, so what does he want to sell me? It's some sort of whizbang >> website thing that's supposed to bring customers to my site and blah >> yada blah. Okay, is it some software I run on my system? No. Okay, is it >> something I have to run on the server that houses the website? No. Do I >> have to move my site to Microsoft servers? No. Okay, does any of my data >> or my customers' data flow through Microsoft servers? Well, yeah. >> >> Aha! He obviously didn't realize who he was calling. So I let him know. >> I explained to him how Microsoft had gotten their butts in trouble >> recently with their little Passport TOS fiasco. And how Microsoft wasn't >> exactly a friend of us folks in the Open Source/Linux world. And how >> Allchin and Ballmer had both come out recently against Linux and Open >> Source, and... >> >> Click. >> >> I get sales calls all the time from people trying to sell my company one >> thing or another, and as aggravated as I am by it, I let them give their >> little spiel and then try to politely decline. And they almost never >> hang up on me. >> >> But I was ready for this guy. And I danced a little jig when I got off >> the phone. >> >> Ha ha hee hee ho ho! (Childish yes, I know, but how often do you get to >> just unload on some poor defenseless telemarketing geek?) >> >> Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 22:25:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21834 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:25:42 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21831 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:25:41 -0400 Received: from server5.safepages.com (server5.safepages.com [216.127.146.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA15330 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux (2Cust42.tnt10.clearwater.fl.da.uu.net [63.10.109.42]) by server5.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 32CD970E1D for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 02:22:16 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:20:59 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01041618062500.00254@linux> <3ADB9D24.E68029A5@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3ADB9D24.E68029A5@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041621205900.00998@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net That's cool, but I don't think I'm going to be the one who can pull this off. I don't know the first thing about accounting (hint: I can add and subtract... :) I think the direction I'll be heading in is to start / help on a cad/cam app since this is the area I'm employed in. There is also a project at gnu-cad-cam.sourceforge.net that looks like it will be a good jumping off point. I've had a number of customers ask for this (some use windows *only* to run the app I support). The number grows every week - I'm up to about a dozen requests now. It's an itch I think should be scratched, and I can contribute. Glen On Monday 16 April 2001 21:32, you wrote: > Glen Canaday wrote: > > I'm looking at cam expert. The selling point here is how configurable the > > ISO output actually is. > > > > The accounting package: ok. There's the project right there. > > Accountants don't know crap about using a computer (at least it must be > > assumed so), so an easy to use accounting package sounds right up Linux's > > alley. I can think of several customers who could make the switch if at > > least this were available. > > > > Glen > > And from what I have observed they do not know crap about accounting > either. > > There was a very nice account package that ran under dos way back then. > > It would have been perfect for my usage, double entry project > bookkeeping: it had a great one line record, easy to configure, and it > was small and public domain too. Problem was that some idiot had decided > to make taxes a part of the system and there was no way to get rid of > taxes. So I call the author on the phone, some accounting type who did > program on the side. No matter how hard I tried to explain he just could > not understand that there were no taxes. He just could not grasp the > simple principal that one could have a situation where there are > situations where there are no taxes. A good example of this is a project > accounting where taxes are paid by the parent company but that does not > enter into the project's accounting. That is a function performed by > others. > > I mention this because if you are interested I will see if I can find > that old program and email it to you. This would give you something to > work from in the idea department. > > Frank > > > On Sunday 15 April 2001 22:08, you wrote: > > > Glen Canaday wrote: > > > > This is easy. A Linux CAD/CAM package that doesn't just draw, it > > > > generates the code to run the machine as well. Do it for kde (qt2, > > > > actually), using openGL for solid rendering and the ability to > > > > generate code for a wide variety of machine... basically, take a > > > > FANUC and a Heidenhain and divide them :) Windows has software to do > > > > this, Linux does not. The GNU-cad-cam project on Sourceforge which > > > > has a nice roadmap, but has no code. I started a kde2 app for this, > > > > but kdevelop did all the work starting it and now I'm stuck because I > > > > don't know kdelibs or qt :) > > > > > > See CAM Expert bucko! http://www.ribbonsoft.com > > > > > > > Beyond this we need an accounting package good enough for > > > > large corporations to use. We have gnucash, but that's for balancing > > > > your checkbook. Something industrial strength that an accountant can > > > > use without learning an new language. > > > > > > There are already several of those, even fewer for small > > > businesses:Bestacct and Appgen power windows, the former having poor > > > documentation, but quite usable, and the latter being difficult to use > > > as well as poorly documented. Both are expensive. > > > > > > Smitty > > > > > > > Glen > > > > > > > > On Saturday 14 April 2001 10:47, you wrote: > > > > > So, does anyone have anything fun I can write some code for? > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >---- - > > > > > > > > > > | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer > > > > > | Engineer > > > > > | > > > > > | | 813.258.2390 | Network > > > > > | | Engineer > > > > > | | > > > > > | | http://bish.net | Embedded > > > > > | > > > > > | Programmer | From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 22:39:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21952 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:39:57 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21949 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:39:56 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA15407 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newcomputer (653269hfc81.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.69.81]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3H2djC00385 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004e01c0c6e7$6ddcb620$51452041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] My Microsoft Call Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:37:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net For more fun, Try running this by them next time Paul. I suggest a new standard for the windows users it's called c:\deltree /y . Yes with this new standard of an old Dos based utility this will help you rid all your windows problems. With the new d:\deltree/y . you can clear all those unwanted files and slow starting Windows. It will help you clear your cookie files and all the temp files. How ever if this is not great enough to draw you in try the util called Delpart.exe Yes this utility not only clears files that has that one pain known as windows it will also clear your partition. Yes that is right just run this baby and your drive is as clean as you can get it. You ask how do i get these simple go to lycos.com or your favorite search engine and look for them run them try them but only on a microsoft based system especially the delpart.exe utility. Make sure you are in dos mode for all you me users not a problem. Just use the utility to make a bootable disk. next copy this to it and let the fun begin. Yes this was a truely great working util. Notice this also makes a great thing to prep a drive for Linux :-) Now who can beat that ??? lol..... Sorry but I ran this by one of there sales people about 3 weeks ago at work when they were trying to sell me a .Net development package to enhance Windows. I asked him does .Net prevent the BSD(BLUE , Screen ,of Death) he said no. I said ok when you get an open source package you can contact my Company again. He hung up. -----Original Message----- From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Date: Monday, April 16, 2001 6:57 PM Subject: [SLUG] My Microsoft Call >SLUGs: > >So I'm at work today and I get this phone call. From Microsoft. At >first, I'm thinking, oh boy, the BSA is coming. No, they want to sell me >something. I wonder how they got my name? (Duh, they're Microsoft; they >probably have _everybody's_ name.) > >Okay, so what does he want to sell me? It's some sort of whizbang >website thing that's supposed to bring customers to my site and blah >yada blah. Okay, is it some software I run on my system? No. Okay, is it >something I have to run on the server that houses the website? No. Do I >have to move my site to Microsoft servers? No. Okay, does any of my data >or my customers' data flow through Microsoft servers? Well, yeah. > >Aha! He obviously didn't realize who he was calling. So I let him know. >I explained to him how Microsoft had gotten their butts in trouble >recently with their little Passport TOS fiasco. And how Microsoft wasn't >exactly a friend of us folks in the Open Source/Linux world. And how >Allchin and Ballmer had both come out recently against Linux and Open >Source, and... > >Click. > >I get sales calls all the time from people trying to sell my company one >thing or another, and as aggravated as I am by it, I let them give their >little spiel and then try to politely decline. And they almost never >hang up on me. > >But I was ready for this guy. And I danced a little jig when I got off >the phone. > >Ha ha hee hee ho ho! (Childish yes, I know, but how often do you get to >just unload on some poor defenseless telemarketing geek?) > >Paul > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 22:46:45 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22005 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:46:45 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22002 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:46:45 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA15442 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3H2khC03817 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ADBAF07.DC861470@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:48:39 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] This is the end.... References: <3ADB8F86.3F52FEC4@tampabay.rr.com> <01041620532704.00839@bubba> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bob File wrote: > > On Monday 16 April 2001 20:34, Ed Centanni wrote: > > Once I get the Wacom tablet driver installed I think it will be > > over for MS at my house. > > > I didn't know Linux had tablet support.! > > Just gotta ask; will that work with the Gimp? > The Gimp is one of a few apps that have explicit XInput (tablets and advanced pointing devices) support. > Please post if you are successfull with the tablet. > Congrats on "the end". I'll let you know. Here's some driver info: http://lepied.com/xfree86/ Your distro should have the wacom tablet howto included in the "howto" docs but if not here's a link: http://www.ibiblio.org/mdw/HOWTO/Wacom-Tablet-HOWTO.html Ed. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 22:47:51 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22014 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:47:51 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22011 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:47:50 -0400 Received: from mail.owlriver.com (IDENT:root@swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA15448 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by mail.owlriver.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3H2hZb20348 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:43:35 -0400 Received: from louise (ip79.tampa7.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.6.79]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3H2lkH95570 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:47:46 -0400 Message-ID: <008001c0c6e8$e4ae14a0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: "Suncoast LUG" Subject: [SLUG] Fw: Announcing Red Hat Linux 7.1 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:26:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Red Hat To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 3:45 PM Subject: Announcing Red Hat Linux 7.1 Red Hat Linux is always pushing the limits of innovation--those limits have been pushed further with the improved performance and scalability of the 2.4 kernel. Now, with Red Hat Linux 7.1, you can use more powerful hardware with more processors and memory. Security is improved from the beginning--you'll configure a firewall during the installation process. And system management is convenient using Red Hat Network Software Manager's customizable Web interface. 2.4 KERNEL FEATURES + Large memory support -- 64GB RAM! + Improved SMP + Large file support + Improved network performance + Increased device support Learn more: http://redhat.rgc2.com/servlet/cc?koDVYAEslHgKLklFMsHloDgLmE0ET NEW RED HAT FEATURES + New graphical configuration tools for easy setup of BIND, Apache, and DNS + Heightened security -- configure a firewall during installation + Updated installation program with new laptop installation class + USB support for "hot-pluggable" devices, like CD-ROM drives, cameras, and printers + Red Hat TUX Web Server: "World's fastest web server" (SPECweb'99 results as of 2/2/01) + Upgraded core system components Learn more: http://redhat.rgc2.com/servlet/cc?koDVYAEslHgKLklFMsHloDgLmE0EY CHOOSE THE RIGHT RED HAT LINUX FOR YOU ---> Red Hat Professional Server http://redhat.rgc2.com/servlet/cc?koDVYAEslHgKLklFMsHloDgLmE0EU ---> Red Hat Deluxe Workstation http://redhat.rgc2.com/servlet/cc?koDVYAEslHgKLklFMsHloDgLmE0EV ---> Red Hat Linux 7.1 (standard) http://redhat.rgc2.com/servlet/cc?koDVYAEslHgKLklFMsHloDgLmE0EZ Not sure? 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If you prefer not to receive future e-mail from Red Hat, Inc.: http://redhat.rgc2.com/servlet/optout?koDVYAEslHgKLklFMsHloDgLm To view our permission marketing policy: http://www.rsvp0.net From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 23:08:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22217 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:08:07 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22214 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:08:07 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA15561 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14pKx6-0007Cc-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:10:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:10:48 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] samba frustration--it works,, somewhat Message-ID: <20010416221048.R27414@quillandmouse.com> References: <002c01c0c441$f3bc5be0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from mrock@stewartsigns.com on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 01:15:28PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 01:15:28PM -0400, Mikes work account wrote: > For The rest of you,,, some of my share names [and file names] were longer > than 8 characters and Windows would not see them. That was easy to correct. > I think there is a way around this in NT or maybe it does it > automatically,,, can't say right now for sure. > > The only issue left is the inability to create sub directories in shares and > have windows see them,,, or even see them if they were created in windows!! > Any ideas here?? I have a Linux samba server setup at work, whose shares I operate on via Windows 98 and Linux. Long filenames have not been a problem for me. I don't know about subdirs. I can create them with Linux, and don't know why I wouldn't be able to via Windows. One thing, though. Every dir and subdir managed by Samba on the server is under my username, which is the same name (and password) that I use on the Win98 system. I know very little about Samba, other than I got it to work and left it alone. I can email you my smb.cfg, if it would help. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 16 23:08:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22240 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:08:46 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22237 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:08:45 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA15570 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3H38iS09488 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ADBB430.3BC9A0B1@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:10:40 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fw: Announcing Red Hat Linux 7.1 References: <008001c0c6e8$e4ae14a0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Now if they'd just send us some CD's to give out at the CTS show... Ed. Larry Sanders wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Red Hat > To: > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 3:45 PM > Subject: Announcing Red Hat Linux 7.1 > > Red Hat Linux is always pushing the limits of innovation--those > limits have been pushed further with the improved performance > and scalability of the 2.4 kernel. > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 17 07:06:24 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25719 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:06:24 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA25716 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:06:23 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id HAA18408 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 242853hfc235.tampabay.rr.com (IDENT:james@242853hfc235.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.235]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3HB6MS12458 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fw: Announcing Red Hat Linux 7.1 From: James Martinez To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <008001c0c6e8$e4ae14a0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> References: <008001c0c6e8$e4ae14a0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.11.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 17 Apr 2001 07:06:32 -0400 Message-Id: <987505593.735.3.camel@242853hfc235.tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Don't forget the clustering support!!!! On 16 Apr 2001 22:26:10 -0400, Larry Sanders wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Red Hat > To: > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 3:45 PM > Subject: Announcing Red Hat Linux 7.1 > > > Red Hat Linux is always pushing the limits of innovation--those > limits have been pushed further with the improved performance > and scalability of the 2.4 kernel. > > Now, with Red Hat Linux 7.1, you can use more powerful > hardware with more processors and memory. Security is > improved from the beginning--you'll configure a firewall > during the installation process. And system management > is convenient using Red Hat Network Software Manager's > customizable Web interface. > > 2.4 KERNEL FEATURES > + Large memory support -- 64GB RAM! > + Improved SMP > + Large file support > + Improved network performance > + Increased device support > > Learn more: > > http://redhat.rgc2.com/servlet/cc?koDVYAEslHgKLklFMsHloDgLmE0ET > > > NEW RED HAT FEATURES > + New graphical configuration tools for easy setup of BIND, Apache, > and DNS > + Heightened security -- configure a firewall during installation > + Updated installation program with new laptop installation class > + USB support for "hot-pluggable" devices, like CD-ROM drives, > cameras, and printers > + Red Hat TUX Web Server: "World's fastest web server" > (SPECweb'99 results as of 2/2/01) > + Upgraded core system components > > Learn more: > > http://redhat.rgc2.com/servlet/cc?koDVYAEslHgKLklFMsHloDgLmE0EY > > > CHOOSE THE RIGHT RED HAT LINUX FOR YOU > > ---> Red Hat Professional Server > > http://redhat.rgc2.com/servlet/cc?koDVYAEslHgKLklFMsHloDgLmE0EU > > > ---> Red Hat Deluxe Workstation > > http://redhat.rgc2.com/servlet/cc?koDVYAEslHgKLklFMsHloDgLmE0EV > > > ---> Red Hat Linux 7.1 (standard) > > http://redhat.rgc2.com/servlet/cc?koDVYAEslHgKLklFMsHloDgLmE0EZ > > Not sure? 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Simply click on the link in the section > below and we'll make sure that you do not receive this kind > of email from Red Hat again. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This message was sent by Red Hat, Inc. using Responsys Interact (TM). > > If you prefer not to receive future e-mail from Red Hat, Inc.: > http://redhat.rgc2.com/servlet/optout?koDVYAEslHgKLklFMsHloDgLm > > To view our permission marketing policy: > http://www.rsvp0.net > > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 17 11:14:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28183 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:14:12 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28180 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:14:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3ADC5DC3.B0BAE2C8@illusionary.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:14:12 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] This is the end.... References: <3ADB8F86.3F52FEC4@tampabay.rr.com> <01041620532704.00839@bubba> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bob File wrote: > > On Monday 16 April 2001 20:34, Ed Centanni wrote: > > Once I get the Wacom tablet driver installed I think it will be > > over for MS at my house. > > > I didn't know Linux had tablet support.! Yep. There's a guy at Wacom who apparently spends most of his free time hacking support into whatever latest version of XFree for whatever latest revision of tablet they have. I think it's unofficially officially sponsored since he does some of the work on Wacom's dime. Other tablets, I couldn't tell you other than there are about a dozen drivers for devices I don't immediately recognize that are probably tablets of some flavor. > Just gotta ask; will that work with the Gimp? s'posda work just fine. Of course, it's not as mature tablet support as something like Painter or Photoshop. (But gimp 2.0 is planned to have some very advanced support for tablet-related functions, in another couple of years.) > Please post if you are successfull with the tablet. If you're running XFree86 v4.x, just do 'man wacom' and see what pops up. > Congrats on "the end". -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 17 11:53:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28724 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:53:05 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28721 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:53:04 -0400 Received: from web209.mail.yahoo.com (web209.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.109]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id MAA20667 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20866 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2001 15:53:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20010417155303.20865.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.84.253.16] by web209.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:53:03 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:53:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Manchester Subject: [SLUG] Is there a Cool Edit 2000 like for Linux To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3ADC5DC3.B0BAE2C8@illusionary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have a friend who would like to use Linux but really needs the functions that the Windows Cool Edit 2000 (recording grade recroder, mixer and sound processor) has, is there anything like this for Linux? Thanks Mike Manchester ===== --------------------------------- The requirements said "Windows 95/98/NT or better" So I installed Linux --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 17 12:20:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29080 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:20:09 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29077 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:20:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3ADC6D38.D196A4F2@illusionary.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:20:08 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is there a Cool Edit 2000 like for Linux References: <20010417155303.20865.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Michael Manchester wrote: > > I have a friend who would like to use Linux but really > needs the functions that the Windows Cool Edit 2000 > (recording grade recroder, mixer and sound processor) > has, is there anything like this for Linux? I sincerely doubt you'll find something as advanced as Cool Edit 2000 under Linux at the moment, but you can check here: http://sound.condorow.net/ If he's looking for audio/multimedia-specific applications, has he looked at BeOS yet? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 17 18:54:28 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00954 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:54:28 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00951 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:54:27 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA24384 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.localdomain (24129149hfc50.tampabay.rr.com [24.129.149.50]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3HMsPS03908 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Seth To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Samba 2.20 is out Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:55:24 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20010417155303.20865.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> <3ADC6D38.D196A4F2@illusionary.com> In-Reply-To: <3ADC6D38.D196A4F2@illusionary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041718552400.11687@home.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net in case you didn't catch it on slashdot www.samba.org http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/04/17/2144236&mode=thread I downloaded it already I hope I have time to install it tonight :) I'm sure my class work can wait..... Seth From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 17 18:57:43 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00984 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:57:43 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00981 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:57:43 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA24396 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.localdomain (24129149hfc50.tampabay.rr.com [24.129.149.50]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3HMvaS05641 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Seth To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] This is the end.... Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:58:35 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3ADB8F86.3F52FEC4@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3ADB8F86.3F52FEC4@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041718583501.11687@home.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net That might be the deciding factor in getting SUSE, I didn't realize it had NTFS support!!! happy happy joy joy On Monday 16 April 2001 20:34, you wrote: >snip> > The SuSE install automatically found the NT partitions and put mounting > icons on the desktop for all the microsoft filesystems on the old NT > drive. Even the compressed NTFS file system mounts and it's files are > available under linux. I'm impressed. > -- Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. Seth seth@hollen.org From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 17 19:19:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01100 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:19:55 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01097 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:19:55 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA24489 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3HNJsC20888 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ADCD010.76B6CD53@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:21:52 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] This is the end.... References: <3ADB8F86.3F52FEC4@tampabay.rr.com> <01041718583501.11687@home.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net SuSE 7.1 comes with NTFS read-only support. RW is available with a kernel recompile but is still experimental. Ed. Seth wrote: > > That might be the deciding factor in getting SUSE, I didn't realize it had > NTFS support!!! > happy happy joy joy > > On Monday 16 April 2001 20:34, you wrote: > >snip> > > The SuSE install automatically found the NT partitions and put mounting > > icons on the desktop for all the microsoft filesystems on the old NT > > drive. Even the compressed NTFS file system mounts and it's files are > > available under linux. I'm impressed. > > > -- > > Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. > Seth > seth@hollen.org From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 17 20:22:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01482 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:22:09 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01479 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:22:09 -0400 Received: from server5.safepages.com (server5.safepages.com [216.127.146.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA24788 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux (1Cust65.tnt1.clearwater.fl.da.uu.net [63.23.163.65]) by server5.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C1F0870DB2 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:18:00 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] I've got a problem Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:16:30 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041719163000.02960@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey all... any NT mail knowledgeable types out there? There's an NT mail server out there (postmaster@damn I forget the domain name.com) that has so far spammed my mailbox I use for the slug list with ~33,000 mails. It's a 'too many hops' message -- I sent the original message to the gnu-cad-cam mailing list to sub_scribe me. Do yourself a favor - don't email blauedonau.com. Is there a command I can send to it in email to tell it to stop? Apparently their admin is too stupid to notice all the damn mail. Please reply to gurensan@acer-acces.com and not this address, as I will never get it. Thank you in advance. Glen From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 17 22:54:50 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02466 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:54:50 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02463 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:54:50 -0400 Received: from web1001.mail.yahoo.com (web1001.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.91]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id XAA25430 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5664 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2001 02:54:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20010418025448.5663.qmail@web1001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.26.64.227] by web1001.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:54:48 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:54:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Toby FreakSoft Subject: Re: [SLUG] Industrial Linux To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <01041616574802.00839@bubba> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > You're talking about the serial port programming how-to? I just found one > under the LDP.. .. That is the one.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 18 00:34:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03169 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:34:08 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03166 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:34:08 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA25867 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14pim9-0007ex-00; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:37:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:37:05 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Cc: gurensan@acer-access.com Subject: Re: [SLUG] I've got a problem Message-ID: <20010417233705.D29233@quillandmouse.com> References: <01041719163000.02960@linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <01041719163000.02960@linux>; from tuck@acer-access.com on Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:16:30PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:16:30PM -0400, Glen Canaday wrote: > Hey all... any NT mail knowledgeable types out there? > > There's an NT mail server out there (postmaster@damn I forget the domain > name.com) that has so far spammed my mailbox I use for the slug list with > ~33,000 mails. It's a 'too many hops' message -- I sent the original message > to the gnu-cad-cam mailing list to sub_scribe me. Do yourself a favor - don't > email blauedonau.com. > > Is there a command I can send to it in email to tell it to stop? Apparently > their admin is too stupid to notice all the damn mail. > > Please reply to gurensan@acer-acces.com and not this address, as I will > never get it. > You can send that garbage to /dev/null with a procmail recipe. You have to grab a piece of it and find out what it has in common with all the other spam pieces, like: To: jomama@mydomain.com or something like that. Then go into your ~/.procmailrc and add something like this: :0 * ^To: jomama@mydomain\.com /dev/null (I believe this will work.) Note that the backslash in front of the dot in jomama@mydomain.com is necessary; otherwise it interprets it as a regexp character. This won't make the email stop flowing, but you won't see it. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 18 03:22:30 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04479 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 03:22:30 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04476 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 03:22:29 -0400 Received: from fl-mta03.durocom.com (fl-mta03.durocom.com [216.53.195.244]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id DAA26983 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 03:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.248]) by fl-mta03.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010418071951.UQVN29227.fl-mta03@mpinet.net> for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 03:19:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3ADD3F9B.6F116B2@mpinet.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 03:17:47 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Strange monitor phenomenon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net In the last week, I have noticed that whenever the harddrive is accessing a sector or even if I am typing on the keyboard, there appear numerous horizontal lines on my tft lcd monitor. I have had this setup running for almost a year without these problems. Actually, the lines are the most frequent on the left third of the display. Can anyone suggest how to fix this? Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 18 05:21:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA05363 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 05:21:44 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA05360 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 05:21:44 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id FAA27660 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 05:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock (242665hfc179.tampabay.rr.com [24.26.65.179]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3I9LgN06448 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 05:21:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dennis Tribble" To: "Slug" Subject: [SLUG] FW: Explaining the benefits of Linux Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 05:21:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c0c7e8$ee58a1e0$01010101@spock.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I went to a jobsite where I was asked to upgrade the motherboard and cpu in a pc running OEM version of MS Windows. When I told them they would also have to purchase a new license for Windows they said I was crazy and asked me to leave. Obviously this would not have been a problem if they were using Linux. Can anyone direct me to a website that clearly explains this issue in a way that non-technical customers can understand? From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 18 11:38:45 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08679 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:38:45 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08676 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:38:44 -0400 Message-ID: <3ADDB504.269D33A6@illusionary.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:38:44 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] This is the end.... References: <3ADB8F86.3F52FEC4@tampabay.rr.com> <01041718583501.11687@home.localdomain> <3ADCD010.76B6CD53@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ed Centanni wrote: > > SuSE 7.1 comes with NTFS read-only support. RW is available with a > kernel recompile but is still experimental. And very likely to totally munge yout NTFS partition, from all reports. At the very least a CHKDSK is required on rebooting back into NT to ensure all the journal data is correct. R/W NTFS from Linux is not recommended. (But converting the NT partition to ext2 and just running Linux is. :) > Seth wrote: > > > > That might be the deciding factor in getting SUSE, I didn't realize it had > > NTFS support!!! > > happy happy joy joy > > > > On Monday 16 April 2001 20:34, you wrote: > > >snip> > > > The SuSE install automatically found the NT partitions and put mounting > > > icons on the desktop for all the microsoft filesystems on the old NT > > > drive. Even the compressed NTFS file system mounts and it's files are > > > available under linux. I'm impressed. > > > > > -- > > > > Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. > > Seth > > seth@hollen.org -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 18 12:10:32 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09072 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:10:32 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09069 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:10:31 -0400 Received: from mail.owlriver.com (IDENT:root@swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA29970 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3603.mail.yahoo.com (web3603.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.98]) by mail.owlriver.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3IG61b31368 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:06:01 -0400 Message-ID: <20010418161016.5140.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.110.71] by web3603.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:10:16 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:10:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: [SLUG] Sound recording software for Linux.. To: slug LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Here's another Plug for a SLUG music List :) Anyway.. For those intereseted Mike Manchester and Norb.. some others.. I found this Linux software for recording music/sound .. This might be of some interest to you all.. This is what I found : http://www.slabexchange.org This seems to be well documented etc. check it out and let me know what you think ! Thanks ! Mark Banschbach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 18 12:34:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09436 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:34:58 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09433 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:34:58 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA00287 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.localdomain (24129149hfc50.tampabay.rr.com [24.129.149.50]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3IGYtN15009 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Seth To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Strange monitor phenomenon Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:35:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3ADD3F9B.6F116B2@mpinet.net> In-Reply-To: <3ADD3F9B.6F116B2@mpinet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041812355100.04691@home.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Strange! can you try the monitor on another computer? if it works some where else then we can narrow it down to your PC. If it is your pc perhaps reinstalling X would fix it. but it could be a hardware problem, maybe your video card? Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. Seth seth@hollen.org On Wednesday 18 April 2001 03:17, you wrote: > In the last week, I have noticed that whenever the harddrive is > accessing a sector or even if I am typing on the keyboard, there appear > numerous horizontal lines on my tft lcd monitor. I have had this setup > running for almost a year without these problems. Actually, the lines > are the most frequent on the left third of the display. > Can anyone suggest how to fix this? > Smitty -- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 18 20:56:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14741 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:56:05 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14738 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:56:05 -0400 Received: from fl-mta03.durocom.com (fl-mta03.durocom.com [216.53.195.244]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA03672 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.239]) by fl-mta03.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010419005316.XHEM29227.fl-mta03@mpinet.net> for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:53:16 -0400 Message-ID: <3ADE3680.2C8D2524@mpinet.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:51:12 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Strange monitor phenomenon References: <3ADD3F9B.6F116B2@mpinet.net> <01041812355100.04691@home.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Seth wrote: > > Strange! > can you try the monitor on another computer? if it works some where else then > we can narrow it down to your PC. > If it is your pc perhaps reinstalling X would fix it. but it could be a > hardware problem, maybe your video card? > > Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. > Seth > seth@hollen.org > > On Wednesday 18 April 2001 03:17, you wrote: > > In the last week, I have noticed that whenever the harddrive is > > accessing a sector or even if I am typing on the keyboard, there appear > > numerous horizontal lines on my tft lcd monitor. I have had this setup > > running for almost a year without these problems. Actually, the lines > > are the most frequent on the left third of the display. > > Can anyone suggest how to fix this? > > Smitty > > -- Thanks. I do not observe the problem today. In fact, before I logged out yesterday, the phenomenon had gone away. I suspect it is the video card. It is about four years old. Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 19 00:22:21 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17707 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:22:21 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17704 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:22:21 -0400 Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id AAA04972 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24288hfc36.tampabay.rr.com (HELO pc-00065.firewall.tampabay.rr.com) (24.28.8.36) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 04:22:19 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Subject: [SLUG] Dumb Question From: Jeff Skube To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <01041719163000.02960@linux> References: <01041719163000.02960@linux> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.01.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 19 Apr 2001 00:22:37 -0400 Message-Id: <987654158.1935.0.camel@linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I want on boot for my system to insert various modules here and there. I went to go and set that all up and then it hit me. I dont remember how. If some one can point me in the right direction I would be very happy. Jeff _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 19 07:53:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21442 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:53:44 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21439 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:53:43 -0400 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id IAA07561 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [63.14.11.236] (1Cust236.tnt2.zephyrhills.fl.da.uu.net [63.14.11.236]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA17318 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 04:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104191153.EAA17318@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:53:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dumb Question From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net HuH? You mean like kernel modules? Some other kind of modules? Russell ____________________________________________________ _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" ---------- >From: Jeff Skube >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: [SLUG] Dumb Question >Date: Thu, Apr 19, 2001, 12:22 AM > > > I want on boot for my system to insert various modules here and there. > I went to go and set that all up and then it hit me. I dont remember > how. If some one can point me in the right direction I would be very > happy. > > Jeff > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 19 08:47:56 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21808 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:47:56 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21805 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:47:56 -0400 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id IAA07821 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24288hfc36.tampabay.rr.com (HELO pc-00065.firewall.tampabay.rr.com) (24.28.8.36) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 12:47:51 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dumb Question From: Jeff Skube To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200104191153.EAA17318@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> References: <200104191153.EAA17318@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.01.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 19 Apr 2001 08:48:11 -0400 Message-Id: <987684492.3232.0.camel@linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yes kernel modules On 19 Apr 2001 07:53:39 -0400, Russell Hires wrote: > HuH? You mean like kernel modules? Some other kind of modules? > > Russell > > ____________________________________________________ > _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" > _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" > > > ---------- > >From: Jeff Skube > >To: slug@nks.net > >Subject: [SLUG] Dumb Question > >Date: Thu, Apr 19, 2001, 12:22 AM > > > > > > > I want on boot for my system to insert various modules here and there. > > I went to go and set that all up and then it hit me. I dont remember > > how. If some one can point me in the right direction I would be very > > happy. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 19 09:07:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21961 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:07:42 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21958 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:07:42 -0400 Received: from cliff-extpa.atlantic1.com ([12.109.248.101]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA07937 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cliff-extpa.atlantic1.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:07:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matt Miller To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] Dumb Question Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:07:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Look for a file in /etc called "modules"... usually /etc/modules -- insert module names there. Matthew Miller -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Skube [mailto:cr1ms0ngh0st@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:48 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dumb Question Yes kernel modules On 19 Apr 2001 07:53:39 -0400, Russell Hires wrote: > HuH? You mean like kernel modules? Some other kind of modules? > > Russell > > ____________________________________________________ > _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" > _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" > > > ---------- > >From: Jeff Skube > >To: slug@nks.net > >Subject: [SLUG] Dumb Question > >Date: Thu, Apr 19, 2001, 12:22 AM > > > > > > > I want on boot for my system to insert various modules here and there. > > I went to go and set that all up and then it hit me. I dont remember > > how. If some one can point me in the right direction I would be very > > happy. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 19 11:09:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23379 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:09:00 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23376 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:09:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3ADEFF8C.B690E0CB@illusionary.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:09:00 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dumb Question References: <01041719163000.02960@linux> <987654158.1935.0.camel@linux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Jeff Skube wrote: > > I want on boot for my system to insert various modules here and there. > I went to go and set that all up and then it hit me. I dont remember > how. If some one can point me in the right direction I would be very > happy. What distro are you running? They behave differently for this sort of thing. Debian, you just put the name of the module you want loaded in /etc/modules. Options and parameters go into one of the files in /etc/modutils/ and then run the 'update-modules' script. RedHat and derivatives, at least some versions, you put the module name and any options in /etc/conf.modules or /etc/modules.conf depending on distro version. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 19 13:48:39 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24969 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:48:39 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24966; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:48:38 -0400 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA09785; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bpreece (user-33qtsqv.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.243.95]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA21870; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901c0c8f9$0021c940$fa51090a@bpreece> From: "Bill Preece" To: Cc: Subject: [SLUG] CTS SHOW Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:48:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ok guys we are getting a lot of great offers for other boxes to show up. Before I can say sure to some else we need to make sure we are getting enough power at this show. I called the promoter and awaiting for him to call me. Right now we have the NKS Network, Kurt with his Layout , and 4 boxes for the booth still trying to work on this to get a good layout. I will probably be able to squeeze in 3 to 4 more boxes. If the promoter says we can get more juice and we have the space it will be a major light show. Now maybe just for a way around some we can maybe setup some stuff up in the theater rooms for demos ?? So we can schedule in between the speeches Demos in these rooms I will check and see what I can find out. Perhaps if a few more companies get booths we can get maybe some additional room. I do not want anyone to get left out. I will do my best to get this information. With my work right now I have to duck in between breaks to work on this. Not easy with 8-12 hr days. Any ways I appreciate all of the offers. Let's see what I can pull off here. I want this to blow the doors off this place. With what we have already lined up, This is going to happen. We have Great Line up of speakers as well. With Rob" ROBLIMO " Miller , Jon "MADDOG" Hall and Ralph Cooley from IBM we got this in the bag. We have other speakers as well being worked on. Stuart Anderson from Metrolink will not be able to come unless he can get out of another prior commitment that is on the same days. We also have a few other cool things being worked on right now as well. Diana and Myself are Constantly calling and e-mailing and Norb's good announcement will just about cover most. Also with the Announcement posted this will ensure that the Computer and Technologies Showcase Promoter, Will see we deserve our own show case. Finally Thanks to all and Bill for the SLUG Banner this rocks. All Volunteers trust me everyone will have stuff we can do. Thanks for letting me be part of this. Bill Preece P.s. You never know what else may come up for this show :-) From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 19 14:05:39 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25215 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:05:39 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25212 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:05:39 -0400 Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (c000-h008.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.72]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id OAA09910 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 28835 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 11:05:07 -0700 Received: from fl.24.96.21.154.cablemodem.gte.net (HELO tatooine) (24.96.21.154) by smtp.federicopaini.com (209.228.32.72) with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 11:05:07 -0700 X-Sent: 19 Apr 2001 18:05:07 GMT From: "Federico Paini" To: Subject: [SLUG] volunteer for the CTS SHOW Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:05:22 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <000901c0c8f9$0021c940$fa51090a@bpreece> Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Bill Preece Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:49 PM To: slug@nks.net Cc: cts-expo@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] CTS SHOW Ok guys we are getting a lot of great offers for other boxes to show up. Before I can say sure to some else we need to make sure we are getting enough power at this show. I called the promoter and awaiting for him to call me. Right now we have the NKS Network, Kurt with his Layout , and 4 boxes for the booth still trying to work on this to get a good layout. I will probably be able to squeeze in 3 to 4 more boxes. If the promoter says we can get more juice and we have the space it will be a major light show. Now maybe just for a way around some we can maybe setup some stuff up in the theater rooms for demos ?? So we can schedule in between the speeches Demos in these rooms I will check and see what I can find out. Perhaps if a few more companies get booths we can get maybe some additional I'd like to volunteer for the CTS SHOW. I've volunteered in the past 2 Linux World Expo and I could be of good help. Let me know what can I do and who I have to contact. Federico From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 19 14:28:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25575 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:28:20 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25572 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:28:18 -0400 Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (c000-h008.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.72]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id OAA10143 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 20606 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 11:27:46 -0700 Received: from fl.24.96.21.154.cablemodem.gte.net (HELO tatooine) (24.96.21.154) by smtp.federicopaini.com (209.228.32.72) with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 11:27:46 -0700 X-Sent: 19 Apr 2001 18:27:46 GMT From: "Federico Paini" To: Subject: [SLUG] volunteer for the CTS SHOW Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:28:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net There was some confusion in my past email, disregard it please. The message I wanted to post is: I'd like to volunteer for the CTS SHOW. I've volunteered in the past 2 Linux World Expo and I could be of good help. Let me know what can I do and who I have to contact. I have no idea why came out that way. Federico From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 19 22:31:39 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29912 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:31:39 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29909 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:31:38 -0400 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id WAA12970 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc42.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.42) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2001 02:31:37 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3ADF9EF0.BC9A1AE0@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:29:04 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] Voice developement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Question: What are some of the voice developement tools for linux (something like IBM's ViaVoice)? I remember hearing that there werse some tools included in a standard GNU/Linux distro. CAn anyone help me out here or are my questions way too vague? Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 19 22:59:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30127 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:59:09 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30124 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:59:09 -0400 Received: from fl-mta03.durocom.com (fl-mta03.durocom.com [216.53.195.244]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA13105 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.47]) by fl-mta03.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010420025630.GLKS5354.fl-mta03@mpinet.net> for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:56:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3ADFA4DF.C0945A5E@mpinet.net> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:54:23 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Voice developement References: <3ADF9EF0.BC9A1AE0@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > Question: What are some of the voice developement tools for linux > (something like IBM's ViaVoice)? I remember hearing that there werse > some tools included in a standard GNU/Linux distro. CAn anyone help me > out here or are my questions way too vague? > > Norb > > ______________________________________________________ I believe that viavoice has been ported to Linux. Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 19 23:55:10 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30579 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:55:10 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30576 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:55:10 -0400 Received: from mail.owlriver.com (IDENT:root@swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA13369 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by mail.owlriver.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3K3ocb13157 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:50:38 -0400 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3K3stT18034; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ADFB393.27600267@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:57:07 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "[SLUG]" Subject: [SLUG] SuSE Online Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Just for kicks I tried the Online Update feature on SuSE 7.1. I generally don't go in for any kind of automatic software update schemes, having been burned more than once with Microsoft's service packs. I opted for the "manual" option and pressed the next buttons instead of allowing everything to go without supervision. It all worked real smooth, made a list of available updates, told me which ones were relevant to my setup and allowed to get details on the patches and select which ones I wanted. Feeling re-assured, I let it go and it downloaded the patch rpms, ran the updates and that was that. Isn't RedHat and/or Eazel charging for this update service. It works great on SuSE and didn't cost me a dime. Ed. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 19 23:58:33 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30588 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:58:33 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30585 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:58:33 -0400 Received: from mail.owlriver.com (IDENT:root@swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA13374 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (herrold@localhost) by mail.owlriver.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3K3sD913421 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:54:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:54:13 -0400 (EDT) From: R P Herrold To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE Online Update In-Reply-To: <3ADFB393.27600267@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Ed Centanni wrote: > Isn't RedHat and/or Eazel charging for this update service. It works > great on SuSE and didn't cost me a dime. dunno about eazel, but RH is free for one host ... From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 20 10:52:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04054 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:52:00 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04051 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:52:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE04D10.B3B070AC@illusionary.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:52:00 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Voice developement References: <3ADF9EF0.BC9A1AE0@yahoo.com> <3ADFA4DF.C0945A5E@mpinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Smitty wrote: > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > > Question: What are some of the voice developement tools for linux > > (something like IBM's ViaVoice)? I remember hearing that there werse > > some tools included in a standard GNU/Linux distro. CAn anyone help me > > out here or are my questions way too vague? > > > I believe that viavoice has been ported to Linux. Yep, although it's a massive package and I've never managed to really figure out how to work it. There's also CMU's 'Sphinx' project: http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/sphinx/ which is the same sort of thing as ViaVoice but entirely GPLd. On the other side, speech synthesis, nothing beats Festival: http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/ -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 20 15:06:56 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06551 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:06:56 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06548 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:06:56 -0400 Received: from knuth.bish.net (bish.net [208.139.225.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id PAA19222 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knuth.bish.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id OAA02258 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:47:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:47:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Loki Offers 50% off for LUGs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Now that Loki is offering 50% to LUG who purchase 10 or more titles - does anyone think we can scrap 10 orders for Tribes 2, SimCity 3000 or Heavy Gear II? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | | 813.258.2390 | Network Engineer | | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 20 15:14:26 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06615 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:14:26 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06612 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:14:26 -0400 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id PAA19305 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc42.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.42) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2001 19:14:23 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AE08A2F.539FD19@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:12:47 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Loki Offers 50% off for LUGs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mark wrote: > > Now that Loki is offering 50% to LUG who purchase 10 or more titles - does > anyone think we can scrap 10 orders for Tribes 2, SimCity 3000 or Heavy > Gear II? > I vote 1 for Tribes and 1 for SimCity 3k. 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 20 15:36:33 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06807 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:36:33 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06804 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:36:33 -0400 Received: from chaossolutions.org (server.chaossolutions.org [216.136.109.158] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id PAA19497 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ChaosSolutions.org by chaossolutions.org with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.1.R) for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:24:11 -0400 From: Martin Randall To: slug@nks.net Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:25:47 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3ADF9EF0.BC9A1AE0@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: YAM 2.2 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-2000 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Subject: [SLUG] Re: Voice developement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Return-Path: marrandy@chaossolutions.org X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: slug@nks.net Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Norbert On 19-Apr-01, you wrote: > Question: What are some of the voice developement tools for linux > (something like IBM's ViaVoice)? I remember hearing that there werse > some tools included in a standard GNU/Linux distro. CAn anyone help me > out here or are my questions way too vague? > > Norb IBM ViaVoice (Voive Recognition Software) comes with Linux-Mandrake 7.2 Powerpack DeLuxe according to the box. Just for info. Regards...Martin -- --- As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error. -- Weisert From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 20 17:31:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07875 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:31:12 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07872 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:31:12 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id RAA20434 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14qhcB-0008U1-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:34:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:34:51 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Voice developement Message-ID: <20010420163451.A31910@quillandmouse.com> References: <3ADF9EF0.BC9A1AE0@yahoo.com> <3ADFA4DF.C0945A5E@mpinet.net> <3AE04D10.B3B070AC@illusionary.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AE04D10.B3B070AC@illusionary.com>; from dglidden@illusionary.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:52:00AM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:52:00AM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > On the other side, speech synthesis, nothing beats Festival: > > http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/ > Anyone remember the voice of Colossus (from "Colossus, The Forbin Project")? I'd like to have a computer that could do something really metallic and inhuman like that. You suppose anything does that? Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 20 18:05:31 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08119 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:05:31 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08116 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:05:31 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE0B2AB.DAAAC958@illusionary.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:05:31 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Voice developement References: <3ADF9EF0.BC9A1AE0@yahoo.com> <3ADFA4DF.C0945A5E@mpinet.net> <3AE04D10.B3B070AC@illusionary.com> <20010420163451.A31910@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:52:00AM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > > > On the other side, speech synthesis, nothing beats Festival: > > > > http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/ > > > > Anyone remember the voice of Colossus (from "Colossus, The Forbin > Project")? I'd like to have a computer that could do something really > metallic and inhuman like that. You suppose anything does that? Check out: http://www.festvox.org/ One of the neater things about Festival is that it uses a custom-generated phoneme database; you can build your own voice files so it sounds (sort of anyway) like anyone you choose. You can make your own Colossus if you have a large enough sample size. :) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 20 18:52:32 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08404 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:52:32 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08401 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:52:32 -0400 Received: from server5.safepages.com (server5.safepages.com [216.127.146.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA20896 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux (1Cust66.tnt1.clearwater.fl.da.uu.net [63.23.163.66]) by server5.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 925C370DF8 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:47:49 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] I'm back Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:46:35 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042017463500.00299@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey all. I'm back from the evil world of email server spam. Has there been anything good on the list since Monday? I've been a little off. Have there been any CTS announcements? What time is the meeting tomorrow? The website sez 'pending'. I am very interested in the Loki 50% off thing. I got a list of games I want. They'd be cool to demo at CTS, too. Glen From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 20 19:27:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08587 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:27:04 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08584 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:27:04 -0400 Received: from fl-mta03.durocom.com (fl-mta03.durocom.com [216.53.195.244]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA21062 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.145]) by fl-mta03.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010420232424.RXQX5354.fl-mta03@mpinet.net> for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:24:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE0C4AA.D7FD60B8@mpinet.net> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:22:18 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Voice developement References: <3ADF9EF0.BC9A1AE0@yahoo.com> <3ADFA4DF.C0945A5E@mpinet.net> <3AE04D10.B3B070AC@illusionary.com> <20010420163451.A31910@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:52:00AM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > > > On the other side, speech synthesis, nothing beats Festival: > > > > http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/ > > > > Anyone remember the voice of Colossus (from "Colossus, The Forbin > Project")? I'd like to have a computer that could do something really > metallic and inhuman like that. You suppose anything does that? > > Paul You could reverse engineer it. Start acting like an arrogant nerd who drinks lots of martinis and you might get there. Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 20 20:08:34 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08831 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:08:34 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08828 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:08:34 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (oe25.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.245]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA21259 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:08:03 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [65.32.47.86] From: "Julian Sasse" To: Subject: [SLUG] Tribes 2 for Linux -- 50% off + Free Shipping! Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:14:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2001 00:08:03.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[21F36C00:01C0C9F7] Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net [Excuse me if this has been mentioned before, I am new to the list] Loki has offerred a 50% discount (& free shipping!) on any of their Linux games to LUGs if 10 or more people order a title: http://lwn.net/2001/0419/a/loki-lugs.php3 If there is anyone interested in getting TRIBES 2 for Linux (or if you know someone who might) ... please let me know. It would be very nice if we could get 10 people together and do this! Do check out the Loki site below first though and make sure you meet the requirements. Loki Games website http://www.lokigames.com/ Games list (all for Linux!) http://www.lokigames.com/products/ Cheers, --Julian clientserver@hotmail.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 20 21:40:23 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09416 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:40:23 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09413 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:40:22 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA21752 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pete (user16@dt1c1n15.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.216.21]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3L1eLT09423 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:40:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Peter W. Lyons" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Tribes 2 for Linux -- 50% off + Free Shipping! Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:39:54 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am up for a copy of any of their games -- count me in at 50% off. Thanks, Peter W. Lyons CTM Consultants, Inc 813-996-4864 plyons@ctmconsultants.com -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Julian Sasse Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:14 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Tribes 2 for Linux -- 50% off + Free Shipping! [Excuse me if this has been mentioned before, I am new to the list] Loki has offerred a 50% discount (& free shipping!) on any of their Linux games to LUGs if 10 or more people order a title: http://lwn.net/2001/0419/a/loki-lugs.php3 If there is anyone interested in getting TRIBES 2 for Linux (or if you know someone who might) ... please let me know. It would be very nice if we could get 10 people together and do this! Do check out the Loki site below first though and make sure you meet the requirements. Loki Games website http://www.lokigames.com/ Games list (all for Linux!) http://www.lokigames.com/products/ Cheers, --Julian clientserver@hotmail.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 20 21:53:02 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09521 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:53:02 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09518; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:53:02 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA21826; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3L1r0T14096; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AE0E885.E88DCD78@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:55:17 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net, cts-expo@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Tribes 2 for Linux -- 50% off + Free Shipping! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If the offer lasts through the CTS show, it'll be a great inducement to join SLUG if promoted at the booth. Ed. Julian Sasse wrote: > > [Excuse me if this has been mentioned before, I am new to the list] > Loki has offerred a 50% discount (& free shipping!) on any of their Linux > games to LUGs if 10 or more people order a title: > http://lwn.net/2001/0419/a/loki-lugs.php3 > > If there is anyone interested in getting TRIBES 2 for Linux (or if you know > someone who might) ... please let me know. It would be very nice if we > could get 10 people together and do this! Do check out the Loki site below > first though and make sure you meet the requirements. > > Loki Games website > http://www.lokigames.com/ > Games list (all for Linux!) > http://www.lokigames.com/products/ > > Cheers, > --Julian > clientserver@hotmail.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 20 21:54:06 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09546 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:54:06 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09543 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:54:06 -0400 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id WAA21836 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24288hfc36.tampabay.rr.com (HELO pc-00065.firewall.tampabay.rr.com) (24.28.8.36) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2001 01:54:04 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Tribes 2 for Linux -- 50% off + Free Shipping! From: Jeff Skube To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution/0.10+cvs.2001.04.01.08.00 (Preview Release) Date: 20 Apr 2001 21:54:36 -0400 Message-Id: <987818077.8875.0.camel@linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Doh! I forgot about talking about this last night at the meeting and I order Tribes 2 and S.M.A.C. this morning. Im sorry kick me. Jeff On 20 Apr 2001 21:39:54 -0400, Peter W. Lyons wrote: > I am up for a copy of any of their games -- count me in at 50% off. > > Thanks, > > Peter W. Lyons > CTM Consultants, Inc > 813-996-4864 > plyons@ctmconsultants.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Julian Sasse > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:14 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] Tribes 2 for Linux -- 50% off + Free Shipping! > > > [Excuse me if this has been mentioned before, I am new to the list] > Loki has offerred a 50% discount (& free shipping!) on any of their Linux > games to LUGs if 10 or more people order a title: > http://lwn.net/2001/0419/a/loki-lugs.php3 > > If there is anyone interested in getting TRIBES 2 for Linux (or if you know > someone who might) ... please let me know. It would be very nice if we > could get 10 people together and do this! Do check out the Loki site below > first though and make sure you meet the requirements. > > Loki Games website > http://www.lokigames.com/ > Games list (all for Linux!) > http://www.lokigames.com/products/ > > Cheers, > --Julian > clientserver@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 20 22:17:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09661 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:17:58 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09658 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:17:58 -0400 Received: from web1006.mail.yahoo.com (web1006.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.96]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id WAA21938 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16152 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2001 02:17:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20010421021756.16151.qmail@web1006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.26.64.227] by web1006.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:17:56 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Toby FreakSoft Subject: RE: [SLUG] Tribes 2 for Linux -- 50% off + Free Shipping! To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --- "Peter W. Lyons" wrote: > I am up for a copy of any of their games -- count me in at 50% off. .. I wouldn't mind getting Decent 3 and Tribes .. ~T __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 21 01:15:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11773 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:15:22 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11770 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:15:22 -0400 Received: from fl-mta03.durocom.com (fl-mta03.durocom.com [216.53.195.244]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA23362 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.64]) by fl-mta03.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010421051242.VFIQ5354.fl-mta03@mpinet.net> for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:12:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE1164B.FA88A3E6@mpinet.net> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:10:35 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-3 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Kernel question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Has anyone had any experience with the 2.2.19 kernel in RH linux 6.1? If so, is it stable? Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 21 02:39:19 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12253 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:39:19 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12250 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:39:19 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id CAA24023 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14qqAi-000093-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:43:04 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:43:04 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] I'm back Message-ID: <20010421014304.A555@quillandmouse.com> References: <01042017463500.00299@linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <01042017463500.00299@linux>; from tuck@acer-access.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 05:46:35PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 05:46:35PM -0400, Glen Canaday wrote: > What time is the meeting tomorrow? The website sez 'pending'. I'm not sure what website you're looking at. The SLUG website says April _28th_. But it is pending-- we don't have use of the library that day. If we can find another place to meet, we'll announce it. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 21 02:56:13 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12330 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:56:13 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12327 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:56:13 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id DAA24165 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 03:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653281hfc23.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.81.23]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3L6uBU03214 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AE12F0B.3030408@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:56:11 -0400 From: Tim Spalding User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19-2mdk i686; en-US; 0.8.1) Gecko/20010328 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel question References: <3AE1164B.FA88A3E6@mpinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Smitty wrote: > Has anyone had any experience with the 2.2.19 kernel in RH linux 6.1? > If so, is it stable? Well, I'm not at all sure if this is the type of information you're looking for... My desktop/gateway box is running Red Hat 6.0, heavily modified with updated packages from Mandrake (kernel, XFree86, Gnome, openssh, gcc... you get the idea). That box is running a 2.2.17 pre-release instead of 2.2.19, but given the following, I'm sure you'll see why: Linux haven 2.2.17-0.9mdk #1 Wed Jul 12 00:11:36 CEST 2000 i586 unknown 2:38am up 269 days, 2:54, 2 users, load average: 1.02, 1.05, 1.00 Linux 2.2.17-0.9mdk (chmou@kenobi) (gcc 2.95.3 19991030 ) #1 [haven] Bootup: Tue Jul 25 23:44:01 2000 Load average: 1.00 1.01 1.00 3/52 20902 I'm running a customized build of 2.2.19 on my laptop, info as follows: Linux hackbox 2.2.19-2mdk #1 Wed Mar 28 17:28:22 EST 2001 i686 unknown 2:53am up 22 days, 11:38, 2 users, load average: 1.28, 1.20, 1.18 (Note that the uptime clock stops when the system is in hibernation or standby mode, so it's actually been longer than that since I rebooted... probably because I'd killed the battery.) Hope that answers your question. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 21 05:06:51 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13041 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 05:06:51 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA13037 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 05:06:51 -0400 Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id FAA25001 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 05:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GTE.gte.net (1Cust14.tnt2.new-port-richey.fl.da.uu.net [63.24.243.14]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id DAA1350613 Sat, 21 Apr 2001 03:50:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010421041912.01ec3ec0@mail.gte.net> X-Sender: GTE/vzn05pmh@mail.gte.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 04:22:39 -0400 To: slug@nks.net From: "Maureen L. Thomas" Subject: [SLUG] RE: VIA southbridge chip Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have a FIC motherboard, KT133 with the VIA 686B chip set. I read an article in the Register regarding a problem with this chip set. I have been to both web sites (FIC, VIA) and can only find fixes for winblows. Can anyone lead me in the right direction or explain how to fix the problem in Linux. I use Mandarke . I would greatly appreciate any help so I can finally get this finished and get rid of winblows. Thanks, Moe From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 21 07:27:16 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13723 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:27:16 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13720 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:27:15 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id HAA25559 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3LBREU02081 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AE16F1D.FF13064F@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:29:33 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RE: VIA southbridge chip References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010421041912.01ec3ec0@mail.gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Could you describe the problem you're experiencing or provide a link to the Register article? Ed. "Maureen L. Thomas" wrote: > > I have a FIC motherboard, KT133 with the VIA 686B chip set. I read an > article in the Register regarding a problem with this chip set. I have > been to both web sites (FIC, VIA) and can only find fixes for > winblows. Can anyone lead me in the right direction or explain how to fix > the problem in Linux. I use Mandarke . I would greatly appreciate any > help so I can finally get this finished and get rid of winblows. Thanks, Moe From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 21 07:34:26 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13767 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:34:26 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13764 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:34:25 -0400 Received: from mail.owlriver.com (IDENT:root@swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id HAA25588 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail.owlriver.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f3LBU1p04614 for slug; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:30:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:30:01 -0400 From: majordom Message-Id: <200104211130.f3LBU1p04614@mail.owlriver.com> To: slug@mail.owlriver.com Subject: [SLUG] Periodic SLUG charter posting Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net MAILING LIST POLICIES ===================== CONTENT WE ACCEPT (IN ORDER OF DECREASING BANDWIDTH): ----------------------------------------------------- 1) Technical (Linux or computer-related) questions and answers. 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He will get both sides of the story and make a decision on the matter, which is final. rev 0.02 000724 swampfox.owlriver.com:/home/majordom/slug_rules.txt From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 21 08:11:54 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13946 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:11:54 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13943 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:11:53 -0400 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id IAA25744 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (dialup-63.208.200.170.Tampa1.Level3.net [63.208.200.170]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA19767 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 05:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE178ED.2656821B@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:11:25 -0400 From: "sotl155360@earthlink.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, en-US, en-GB, es, es-ES, ex-MX, es-AR, es-CO MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] I'm back References: <01042017463500.00299@linux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Is there a meeting tomorrow? I recall that in the last Dunedial meeting that it was announced that there would be no meeting tomorrow. So based on Glen comments below I went off to the old web site to see what is what. All I noticed was a block for April 22 which said pending, So what is the scoop. Thanks Frank Glen Canaday wrote: > > Hey all. I'm back from the evil world of email server spam. > > Has there been anything good on the list since Monday? I've been a little > off. Have there been any CTS announcements? > > What time is the meeting tomorrow? The website sez 'pending'. > > I am very interested in the Loki 50% off thing. I got a list of games I > want. They'd be cool to demo at CTS, too. > > Glen From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 21 08:15:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13958 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:15:29 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13955 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:15:28 -0400 Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id IAA25766 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (dialup-63.208.200.170.Tampa1.Level3.net [63.208.200.170]) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA20492 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 05:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE179CE.E5FBE3BE@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:15:10 -0400 From: "sotl155360@earthlink.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, en-US, en-GB, es, es-ES, ex-MX, es-AR, es-CO MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel question References: <3AE1164B.FA88A3E6@mpinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Smitty wrote: > > Has anyone had any experience with the 2.2.19 kernel in RH linux 6.1? > If so, is it stable? > Smitty Can not say that I have any direct experience but I have been running RH6.1 since it first came out with out any problems although I must say that occasionally I get a core bomb usually when I do something dumb. Thanks Frank From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 21 08:52:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14095 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:52:20 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14092 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:52:20 -0400 Received: from server1.safepages.com (server1.safepages.com [216.127.146.3]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id IAA25926 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux (1Cust150.tnt3.clearwater.fl.da.uu.net [63.23.192.150]) by server1.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FCE75EC0 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:50:23 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] I'm back Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:49:05 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01042017463500.00299@linux> <3AE178ED.2656821B@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3AE178ED.2656821B@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042107490500.00255@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Scoop is I can't read a calendar. I missed the last one for some reason so I'm ready. My bad! I still owe Greg L. 2 mountain dews and I hate being in debt! How about Coachman Park, if there's nothing going on? We can't bring machines, but we can peaceably assemble, if I remember the constitution correctly. We've never had an outdoor meeting, either. Glen On Saturday 21 April 2001 08:11, you wrote: > Is there a meeting tomorrow? > > I recall that in the last Dunedial meeting that it was announced that > there would be no meeting tomorrow. So based on Glen comments below I > went off to the old web site to see what is what. All I noticed was a > block for April 22 which said pending, So what is the scoop. > > Thanks > Frank > > Glen Canaday wrote: > > Hey all. I'm back from the evil world of email server spam. > > > > Has there been anything good on the list since Monday? I've been > > a little off. Have there been any CTS announcements? > > > > What time is the meeting tomorrow? The website sez 'pending'. > > > > I am very interested in the Loki 50% off thing. I got a list of > > games I want. They'd be cool to demo at CTS, too. > > > > Glen From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 21 09:05:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14163 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:05:09 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14160 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:05:09 -0400 Received: from server5.safepages.com (server5.safepages.com [216.127.146.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA25999 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux (1Cust150.tnt3.clearwater.fl.da.uu.net [63.23.192.150]) by server5.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 58E2170D91 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:05:04 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] loki 50% off Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:03:48 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042108034800.00313@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ugh. I think we was reading this wrong. It says ten *per selected title*. That means if one person wants Heavy Gear 2, we gotta order 10. If one wants Tribes 2 or Deus Ex, that makes ten of each as well. I know we can get ten people to want games, but I dunno about 30-40. Glen BEGIN PASTED MAIL>>> From: Kayt Sorhaindo To: lwn@lwn.net Subject: LUG Discount Program Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:33:40 -0700 We are happy to announce a new LUG program through which your LUG can enroll to receive 50% discounts on all our products. Your LUG can purchase the games at this steep discount to use as give-aways or to generate revenue by selling to members. Note: * Your LUG as an entity would enroll in this program, and not the individual members; * Your LUG must order a minimum of 10 per selected title; * Loki will cover domestic shipping! Please let us know if you have any questions. We appreciate your continued support, and look forward to working with you. Sincerely, Kayt Sorhaindo Queen Bee Loki Software, Inc. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 21 11:00:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14663 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:00:42 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14660 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:00:41 -0400 Received: from reinbach.com (dsl-42.n00.tampfl01.us.ra.verio.net [129.250.168.42] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id LAA26488 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13020 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2001 15:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reinbach.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Apr 2001 15:52:12 -0000 Received: from 192.168.0.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@reinbach.com) by www.reinbach.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1124.192.168.0.1.987868332.squirrel@www.reinbach.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] Burning CDs From: "Greg Reinbach" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20010416175001.A27414@quillandmouse.com> References: <20010416175001.A27414@quillandmouse.com> X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi All, Having a little problem burning some CDs. Problem being that when I burn a CD everything seems to go fine, light comes on, CD gets popped out at the end with no error messages, but when I try to read the CD it is still blank!!! Now what I am trying to work out is if this is due to bad blank CDs (tried 6 CDs now) or is it possible that the CD Burner is not working correctly? Running Mandrake 7.2 with Smart & Friendly CD Burner. In the past have managed to burn CDs but have reinstalled/upgraded since then. Even tried to burn it windows (dual booting machine), same thing happens. Am able to read normal CDs. Any help would be appreciated in how to go about finding the fault. Greg From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 21 11:22:15 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14756 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:22:15 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14753 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:22:14 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA26573 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14qyKr-0000FH-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:26:05 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 10:26:04 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] I'm back Message-ID: <20010421102604.A578@quillandmouse.com> References: <01042017463500.00299@linux> <3AE178ED.2656821B@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AE178ED.2656821B@earthlink.net>; from sotl155360@earthlink.net on Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 08:11:25AM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 08:11:25AM -0400, sotl155360@earthlink.net wrote: > Is there a meeting tomorrow? > > I recall that in the last Dunedial meeting that it was announced that > there would be no meeting tomorrow. So based on Glen comments below I > went off to the old web site to see what is what. All I noticed was a > block for April 22 which said pending, So what is the scoop. > April 22 is a _Sunday_. We don't have meetings on Sunday. And nothing like that is on the SLUG site. Go to http://www.suncoastlug.org, hit "Refresh" on your browser, and look at the meeting calendar that's on the home page. Scroll down to the section for April. Look for April _28th_ (a Saturday). It says "Pending" there, meaning that unless we find a meeting place, there is no Dunedin meeting for April. Also, we always announce meetings in advance on the SLUG Announce list, and no April Dunedin meeting was announced. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 21 11:45:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14877 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:45:29 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14874 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:45:29 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA26708 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phoenixden ([24.164.9.97]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with SMTP id <20010421154528.JXFX10312.flmta01@phoenixden> for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:45:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c0ca7a$02ff98e0$6109a418@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Jeffery Jacoby" To: References: <01042108034800.00313@linux> Subject: Re: [SLUG] loki 50% off Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:44:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well you might as well take a poll and see what you can get. Free shipping and 50% off is a real bargain worth trying for. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Canaday" To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 8:03 AM Subject: [SLUG] loki 50% off > Ugh. I think we was reading this wrong. It says ten *per selected title*. > That means if one person wants Heavy Gear 2, we gotta order 10. If one wants > Tribes 2 or Deus Ex, that makes ten of each as well. I know we can get ten > people to want games, but I dunno about 30-40. > > Glen > > BEGIN PASTED MAIL>>> > > From: Kayt Sorhaindo > To: lwn@lwn.net > Subject: LUG Discount Program > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:33:40 -0700 > > We are happy to announce a new LUG program through which your LUG can > enroll to receive 50% discounts on all our products. > > Your LUG can purchase the games at this steep discount to use as > give-aways or to generate revenue by selling to members. > > Note: > * Your LUG as an entity would enroll in this program, and not the > individual members; > * Your LUG must order a minimum of 10 per selected title; > * Loki will cover domestic shipping! > > Please let us know if you have any questions. > > We appreciate your continued support, and look forward to working with you. > > Sincerely, > > Kayt Sorhaindo > Queen Bee > Loki Software, Inc. > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 21 12:16:43 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15043 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:16:43 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15040 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:16:43 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA26874 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rr ([24.28.40.191]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with SMTP id <20010421161642.KDSM10312.flmta01@rr> for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:16:42 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c0ca7d$e118de40$0401a8c0@rr> From: "Todd" To: References: <20010416175001.A27414@quillandmouse.com> <1124.192.168.0.1.987868332.squirrel@www.reinbach.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Burning CDs Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:12:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Any help would be appreciated in how to go about finding the fault. Have you looked to see if there is a firmware update? I once had a problem with my samsung burner turning out coasters every 1 of 4 i tried to burn and now that i have updated the firmware i get like 1 of 50 or more (i've had 1 coaster since then). It might take a little digging because if i remember right smart and friendly doesnt make their own hardware so you might have to find out who makes your model and go to their site. Hope that helps some. Todd From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 21 13:54:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15411 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:54:04 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15408 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:54:03 -0400 Received: from mail.qsl.net ([63.238.179.181]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id OAA27311 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from qsl.net (ip89.tampa7.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.6.89]) by mail.qsl.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3LHslw00541; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:54:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE1C8CA.5153CC8D@qsl.net> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:52:10 +0000 From: Ron KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Burning CDs References: <20010416175001.A27414@quillandmouse.com> <1124.192.168.0.1.987868332.squirrel@www.reinbach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi: > end with no error messages, but when I try to read the CD it is still > blank!!! An easy one! Just remove ' -dummy ' from your script file. Actually we need to know the software you are using to attempt a guess, do you run a log file of mkisofs 's action? When you mount and view the "iso" image file is it normal, looking just like the original directories? Do you make a log file when ' cdrecord ' operates? What do they tell you? By observing these precautions I have never created a coaster, at $0.20 each my time is much more valuable than the media. As to why Winblows doesn't work as you want it to, I thought that was normal. It is possible your writer's optical system is burdened with dust or dirt, power is required to write, reading is easy. If all else fails I would be happy to send you my script files. 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@qsl.net SENT Time and Date are UTC I upgraded to LINUX, the more I use it, the more I love it. It doesn't do everything for you, you must program it. Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 21 13:58:15 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15436 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:58:15 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15433 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:58:15 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id OAA27331 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from y ([24.92.162.127]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with SMTP id <20010421175814.KYBH10312.flmta01@y> for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:58:14 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c0ca8c$9f58c100$6401a8c0@y> From: "Jim Lange" To: References: <20010416175001.A27414@quillandmouse.com> <1124.192.168.0.1.987868332.squirrel@www.reinbach.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Burning CDs Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:58:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net try this website http://tech.smartandfriendly.com/download.htm#firm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Reinbach" To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 11:52 AM Subject: [SLUG] Burning CDs > Hi All, > Having a little problem burning some CDs. Problem being that when I burn a > CD everything seems to go fine, light comes on, CD gets popped out at the > end with no error messages, but when I try to read the CD it is still > blank!!! Now what I am trying to work out is if this is due to bad blank CDs > (tried 6 CDs now) or is it possible that the CD Burner is not working > correctly? Running Mandrake 7.2 with Smart & Friendly CD Burner. In the past > have managed to burn CDs but have reinstalled/upgraded since then. Even > tried to burn it windows (dual booting machine), same thing happens. Am able > to read normal CDs. > Any help would be appreciated in how to go about finding the fault. > > Greg > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 21 20:48:38 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16966 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:48:38 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16963 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:48:37 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA29052 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653281hfc23.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.81.23]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3M0maT02782 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AE22A5D.6020805@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:48:29 -0400 From: Tim Spalding User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19-2mdk i686; en-US; 0.8.1) Gecko/20010328 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Burning CDs References: <20010416175001.A27414@quillandmouse.com> <1124.192.168.0.1.987868332.squirrel@www.reinbach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Greg Reinbach wrote: > CD everything seems to go fine, light comes on, CD gets popped out at the > end with no error messages, but when I try to read the CD it is still > blank!!! Now what I am trying to work out is if this is due to bad blank CDs > tried to burn it windows (dual booting machine), same thing happens. Am able > to read normal CDs. > Any help would be appreciated in how to go about finding the fault. This may sound silly, and I don't intend any offense, but is it at all possible that you're not putting the disks in the drive correctly? If the CD-R's you're using aren't labelled, and are the silver type, it can be difficult to tell which way the disk goes into the drive. With the disks I've got, the easiest way to tell is to look at the numbers printed around the hub of the disk; the side the numbers look normal from is the side that goes UP. Hope it helps. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 22 00:42:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17503 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:42:05 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17500 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:42:05 -0400 Received: from reinbach.com (dsl-42.n00.tampfl01.us.ra.verio.net [129.250.168.42] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id AAA29734 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19852 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2001 05:33:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reinbach.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Apr 2001 05:33:35 -0000 Received: from 192.168.0.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@reinbach.com) by www.reinbach.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1500.192.168.0.1.987917615.squirrel@www.reinbach.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Burning CDs From: "Greg Reinbach" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3AE1C8CA.5153CC8D@qsl.net> References: <3AE1C8CA.5153CC8D@qsl.net> X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Am using X-CD-Roast and gToaster, been trying them both. Here is what I have tried and the results... . blew really hard into the drive hoping to remove any dust that may have (most definitely has) collected overtime - no help. . ran the following mkisofs command on the file %mkisofs -o file.iso dir ended up with the errors as per attached errors file . tried to mount the "iso" image and ended up with the following %ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Invalid argument mount command was %mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 file.iso dir . logfile from cdrecord is attached file cdrecord.out Does this make any sense to you. obviously the mkisofs and mount commands arent returning the right results, but a little lost with them. > Hi: > >> end with no error messages, but when I try to read the CD it is still >> blank!!! > > An easy one! Just remove ' -dummy ' from your script file. > > Actually we need to know the software you are using to attempt > a guess, do you run a log file of mkisofs 's action? > When you mount and view the "iso" image file is it normal, > looking just like the original directories? > Do you make a log file when ' cdrecord ' operates? What do > they tell you? > By observing these precautions I have never created a coaster, > at $0.20 each my time is much more valuable than the media. > As to why Winblows doesn't work as you want it to, I thought > that was normal. It is possible your writer's optical system is > burdened with dust or dirt, power is required to write, > reading is easy. > > If all else fails I would be happy to send you my script files. > > > 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@qsl.net SENT Time and Date are > UTC > I upgraded to LINUX, the more I use it, the more I love it. > It doesn't do everything for you, you must program it. > Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 22 00:43:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17512 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:43:12 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17509 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:43:12 -0400 Received: from reinbach.com (dsl-42.n00.tampfl01.us.ra.verio.net [129.250.168.42] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id AAA29752 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19884 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2001 05:34:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reinbach.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Apr 2001 05:34:45 -0000 Received: from 192.168.0.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@reinbach.com) by www.reinbach.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1506.192.168.0.1.987917685.squirrel@www.reinbach.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Burning CDs From: "Greg Reinbach" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <000601c0ca8c$9f58c100$6401a8c0@y> References: <000601c0ca8c$9f58c100$6401a8c0@y> X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net thanks Jim, downloaded and updated, still not working. At least it is up-to-date though > try this website http://tech.smartandfriendly.com/download.htm#firm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Reinbach" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 11:52 AM > Subject: [SLUG] Burning CDs > > >> Hi All, >> Having a little problem burning some CDs. Problem being that when I >> burn a CD everything seems to go fine, light comes on, CD gets popped >> out at the end with no error messages, but when I try to read the CD >> it is still blank!!! Now what I am trying to work out is if this is >> due to bad blank > CDs >> (tried 6 CDs now) or is it possible that the CD Burner is not working >> correctly? Running Mandrake 7.2 with Smart & Friendly CD Burner. In >> the > past >> have managed to burn CDs but have reinstalled/upgraded since then. >> Even tried to burn it windows (dual booting machine), same thing >> happens. Am > able >> to read normal CDs. >> Any help would be appreciated in how to go about finding the fault. >> >> Greg From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 22 00:45:34 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17530 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:45:34 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17527 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:45:34 -0400 Received: from reinbach.com (dsl-42.n00.tampfl01.us.ra.verio.net [129.250.168.42] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id AAA29768 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19938 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2001 05:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reinbach.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Apr 2001 05:37:07 -0000 Received: from 192.168.0.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@reinbach.com) by www.reinbach.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1515.192.168.0.1.987917827.squirrel@www.reinbach.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Burning CDs From: "Greg Reinbach" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3AE22A5D.6020805@tampabay.rr.com> References: <3AE22A5D.6020805@tampabay.rr.com> X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net none taken, sadly I have the CompUSA specials with their logo and writing on the one side, so am sure I am putting them in the correct way round. thanks anyway > Greg Reinbach wrote: > >> CD everything seems to go fine, light comes on, CD gets popped out at >> the end with no error messages, but when I try to read the CD it is >> still blank!!! Now what I am trying to work out is if this is due to >> bad blank CDs tried to burn it windows (dual booting machine), same >> thing happens. Am able to read normal CDs. >> Any help would be appreciated in how to go about finding the fault. > > This may sound silly, and I don't intend any offense, but is it at all > possible that you're not putting the disks in the drive correctly? If > the CD-R's you're using aren't labelled, and are the silver type, it > can be difficult to tell which way the disk goes into the drive. With > the disks I've got, the easiest way to tell is to look at the numbers > printed around the hub of the disk; the side the numbers look normal > from is the side that goes UP. > > Hope it helps. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 22 00:47:35 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17539 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:47:35 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17536 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:47:35 -0400 Received: from reinbach.com (dsl-42.n00.tampfl01.us.ra.verio.net [129.250.168.42] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id AAA29772 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19983 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2001 05:39:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO reinbach.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Apr 2001 05:39:07 -0000 Received: from 192.168.0.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@reinbach.com) by www.reinbach.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1525.192.168.0.1.987917947.squirrel@www.reinbach.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Burning CDs - attachments here!!! From: "Greg Reinbach" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3AE1C8CA.5153CC8D@qsl.net> References: <3AE1C8CA.5153CC8D@qsl.net> X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=":vlNRRv420h_/ppDmt)/y-CQJ(:mA6vVfFDdzgUyLh0jQHlcA5=G4z56::JP8oZlczhCPv" Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --:vlNRRv420h_/ppDmt)/y-CQJ(:mA6vVfFDdzgUyLh0jQHlcA5=G4z56::JP8oZlczhCPv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I guess you acutally want those attachments, that might help : ) > Hi: > >> end with no error messages, but when I try to read the CD it is still >> blank!!! > > An easy one! Just remove ' -dummy ' from your script file. > > Actually we need to know the software you are using to attempt > a guess, do you run a log file of mkisofs 's action? > When you mount and view the "iso" image file is it normal, > looking just like the original directories? > Do you make a log file when ' cdrecord ' operates? What do > they tell you? > By observing these precautions I have never created a coaster, > at $0.20 each my time is much more valuable than the media. > As to why Winblows doesn't work as you want it to, I thought > that was normal. It is possible your writer's optical system is > burdened with dust or dirt, power is required to write, > reading is easy. > > If all else fails I would be happy to send you my script files. > > > 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@qsl.net SENT Time and Date are > UTC > I upgraded to LINUX, the more I use it, the more I love it. > It doesn't do everything for you, you must program it. > Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm --:vlNRRv420h_/ppDmt)/y-CQJ(:mA6vVfFDdzgUyLh0jQHlcA5=G4z56::JP8oZlczhCPv Content-Type: application/octet-stream;name="cdrecord.out" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="cdrecord.out" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Q2RyZWNvcmQgMS45IChpNTg2LW1hbmRyYWtlLWxpbnV4LWdudSkgQ29weXJpZ2h0IChDKSAxOTk1 LTIwMDAgSvZyZyBTY2hpbGxpbmcKVE9DIFR5cGU6IDEgPSBDRC1ST00Kc2NzaWRldjogJzAsMCww JwpzY3NpYnVzOiAwIHRhcmdldDogMCBsdW46IDAKTGludXggc2cgZHJpdmVyIHZlcnNpb246IDIu MS4zOQpVc2luZyBsaWJzY2cgdmVyc2lvbiAnc2NoaWx5LTAuMScKYXRhcGk6IDEKRGV2aWNlIHR5 cGUgICAgOiBSZW1vdmFibGUgQ0QtUk9NClZlcnNpb24gICAgICAgIDogMApSZXNwb25zZSBGb3Jt YXQ6IDEKVmVuZG9yX2luZm8gICAgOiAnU0FGICAgICAnCklkZW50aWZpa2F0aW9uIDogJ0NELVJX MjIyNCAgICAgICAnClJldmlzaW9uICAgICAgIDogJzIuNDcnCkRldmljZSBzZWVtcyB0byBiZTog R2VuZXJpYyBtbWMgQ0QtUlcuClVzaW5nIGdlbmVyaWMgU0NTSS0zL21tYyBDRC1SIGRyaXZlciAo bW1jX2NkcikuCkRyaXZlciBmbGFncyAgIDogU1dBQkFVRElPCkRyaXZlIGJ1ZiBzaXplIDogMTkw NDY0MCA9IDE4NjAgS0IKRklGTyBzaXplICAgICAgOiA0MTk0MzA0ID0gNDA5NiBLQgpUcmFjayAw MTogZGF0YSAgNjM2IE1CICAgICAgICAgcGFkc2l6ZTogIDMwIEtCClRvdGFsIHNpemU6ICAgICA3 MzAgTUIgKDcyOjIyLjI5KSA9IDMyNTY3MiBzZWN0b3JzCkxvdXQgc3RhcnQ6ICAgICA3MzAgTUIg KDcyOjI0LzIyKSA9IDMyNTY3MiBzZWN0b3JzCkN1cnJlbnQgU2Vjc2l6ZTogMjA0OApBVElQIHN0 YXJ0IG9mIGxlYWQgaW46ICAtMTUwICgwMDowMC8wMCkKRGlzayB0eXBlOiAgICB1bmtub3duCk1h bnVmLiBpbmRleDogLTEKTWFudWZhY3R1cmVyOiB1bmtub3duIChub3QgaW4gdGFibGUpClN0YXJ0 aW5nIHRvIHdyaXRlIENEL0RWRCBhdCBzcGVlZCAyIGluIHdyaXRlIG1vZGUgZm9yIHNpbmdsZSBz ZXNzaW9uLgpXYWl0aW5nIGZvciByZWFkZXIgcHJvY2VzcyB0byBmaWxsIGlucHV0IGJ1ZmZlciAu Li4KaW5wdXQgYnVmZmVyIHJlYWR5LgpQZXJmb3JtaW5nIE9QQy4uLgpTdGFydGluZyBuZXcgdHJh Y2sgYXQgc2VjdG9yOiAwCgpUcmFjayAwMTogd3JpdGluZyAgMzAgS0Igb2YgcGFkIGRhdGEuClRy YWNrIDAxOiBUb3RhbCBieXRlcyByZWFkL3dyaXR0ZW46IDY2Njk0MTQ0MC82NjY5NzIxNjAgKDMy NTY3MCBzZWN0b3JzKS4KV3JpdGluZyAgdGltZTogMjE2Ny4yNTlzCkZpeGF0aW5nLi4uCkZpeGF0 aW5nIHRpbWU6ICAxMjMuODU0cwo= --:vlNRRv420h_/ppDmt)/y-CQJ(:mA6vVfFDdzgUyLh0jQHlcA5=G4z56::JP8oZlczhCPv Content-Type: application/octet-stream;name="errors" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="errors" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 VG90YWwgdHJhbnNsYXRpb24gdGFibGUgc2l6ZTogMApUb3RhbCByb2NrcmlkZ2UgYXR0cmlidXRl cyBieXRlczogMApUb3RhbCBkaXJlY3RvcnkgYnl0ZXM6IDAKUGF0aCB0YWJsZSBzaXplKGJ5dGVz KTogMTAKTWF4IGJyayBzcGFjZSB1c2VkIDQwMDAKMjQgZXh0ZW50cyB3cml0dGVuICgwIE1iKQo= --:vlNRRv420h_/ppDmt)/y-CQJ(:mA6vVfFDdzgUyLh0jQHlcA5=G4z56::JP8oZlczhCPv-- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 22 08:29:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19148 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:29:57 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19145 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:29:57 -0400 Received: from smtppop2pub.verizon.net (smtppop2pub.gte.net [206.46.170.21]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id IAA01807 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GTE.gte.net (1Cust7.tnt3.new-port-richey.fl.da.uu.net [63.11.38.7]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id HAA135730908 Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:16:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010422073603.009e5e30@mail.gte.net> X-Sender: GTE/vzn05pmh@mail.gte.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:39:27 -0400 To: slug@nks.net From: "Maureen L. Thomas" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Here is the link from the regester. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/18267.html In winblows it caused icons to disappear and files to just vanish. Anything downloaded was incomplete or would not open as an exe file but open as gibberish instead. In Mandrake, icons don't disappear they just loose there link and don't work. Any files downloaded (either FTP or HTTP) would not open or if they did something was missing from them and they would not install. I did get a fix for winblows but I really want a fix for Mandrake. Hope this link helps. Moe From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 22 09:24:30 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19340 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:24:30 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19337 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:24:29 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA02104 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.186.184]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with ESMTP id <20010422132429.SUMV10312.flmta01@tampabay.rr.com> for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:24:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE2DC23.236451AF@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:26:59 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Re: (renamed) Southbridge chipset References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010422073603.009e5e30@mail.gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net My advice: 1. Take the machine back to the vendor and tell them to fix it or replace it. 2. If #1 is not feasible then use hdparm to turn off dma transfers as a workaround. I'm not familiar with Mandrake but usually distributions have as part of their start up scripts some harddrive performance tweaking that involves calling hdparm to optimize hard drive operations. Maybe someone here more familiar with Mandrake than I can tell you how to adjust your configuration to turn off hard drive dma at startup. According to the article you reference the problem is only found when you have two IDE hardrives, each on a different IDE channel, DMA enabled and are transfering files from one drive to another. If that very specific condition is not the case then I submit you have defective hardware and should return/replace it. Another thing to check is for the presence of the correct power supply for your Athlon board. They're reputed to be very picky about power. The promised fix from Via is supposed to be on their site but I didn't find it. I couldn't even find it in my vast underground caverns of web links!) Ed. "Maureen L. Thomas" wrote: > > Here is the link from the regester. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/18267.html > > In winblows it caused icons to disappear and files to just > vanish. Anything downloaded was incomplete or would not open as an exe > file but open as gibberish instead. > > In Mandrake, icons don't disappear they just loose there link and don't > work. Any files downloaded (either FTP or HTTP) would not open or if they > did something was missing from them and they would not install. I did get > a fix for winblows but I really want a fix for Mandrake. Hope this link > helps. Moe From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 22 10:32:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19550 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:32:42 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19547 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:32:42 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (oe65.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.204]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id KAA02390 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:32:11 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [65.32.47.86] From: "Julian Sasse" To: References: <3AE1164B.FA88A3E6@mpinet.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel question Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:33:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2001 14:32:11.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[046F95D0:01C0CB39] Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am using 2.2.19 at work, but with RH 7.0. It seems quite stable (for a production web server!) and in fact is required by at least two RH security advisories versus 2.2.16/17. I should mention that just about the only time I ever need to reboot this system is for kernel upgrades ;-) Definitely consider it for systems continuously attached to the Internet / with static IPs if you are concerned with security. Cheers, --Julian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smitty" <76543a@mpinet.net> To: Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 1:10 AM Subject: [SLUG] Kernel question Has anyone had any experience with the 2.2.19 kernel in RH linux 6.1? If so, is it stable? Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 22 17:49:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20536 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:49:22 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20533 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:49:22 -0400 Received: from mail.owlriver.com (IDENT:root@swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id RAA03800 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by mail.owlriver.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3MLitr27872 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:44:55 -0400 Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-013.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.13]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28842 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE351B0.AAED3B13@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:48:32 -0400 From: Frank Roberts X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Mount point does not exist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net In my poretual attempts to acquire the latest Mandrake - Mandrake 8.0 I moved my burner from my home machine into the new office machine. After configuring /etc/fstab to accept the additional settings by the addition of the following line: Line for original installed cd reader /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660, dev=/dev/cdrom 00 Added line for cd rw /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660, dev=/dev/cdrom 00 I get an error message on boot that mount point does not exist. Could some one please point me in the direction of how does one creat a moint point. Also if I look under harddrake (the system hardware configuration tool) I get the following: CD Rom HP CD-Writer+ 7200 with Dev=/dev/hdd FX4830T (CD Reader) with Dev=/dev/hdc Thank Frank From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 22 17:56:35 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20552 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:56:35 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20549 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:56:34 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA03825 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-013.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.13]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22130 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE35362.1E561A50@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:55:46 -0400 From: Frank Roberts X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] I'm back References: <01042017463500.00299@linux> <3AE178ED.2656821B@earthlink.net> <20010421102604.A578@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sorry I was not awake on Saturday morning when I composed the message and apparently I confused the dates. Frank Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 08:11:25AM -0400, sotl155360@earthlink.net wrote: > > > Is there a meeting tomorrow? > > > > I recall that in the last Dunedial meeting that it was announced that > > there would be no meeting tomorrow. So based on Glen comments below I > > went off to the old web site to see what is what. All I noticed was a > > block for April 22 which said pending, So what is the scoop. > > > > April 22 is a _Sunday_. We don't have meetings on Sunday. And nothing > like that is on the SLUG site. Go to http://www.suncoastlug.org, hit > "Refresh" on your browser, and look at the meeting calendar that's on > the home page. Scroll down to the section for April. Look for April > _28th_ (a Saturday). It says "Pending" there, meaning that unless we > find a meeting place, there is no Dunedin meeting for April. > > Also, we always announce meetings in advance on the SLUG Announce list, > and no April Dunedin meeting was announced. > > Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 22 18:30:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20612 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:30:46 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20609 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:30:45 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA03902 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14rRVQ-0001zL-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:34:56 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:34:56 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mount point does not exist Message-ID: <20010422173456.A7559@quillandmouse.com> References: <3AE351B0.AAED3B13@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AE351B0.AAED3B13@earthlink.net>; from sotl155360@earthlink.net on Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 05:48:32PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 05:48:32PM -0400, Frank Roberts wrote: > In my poretual attempts to acquire the latest Mandrake - Mandrake 8.0 I > moved my burner from my home machine into the new office machine. > > After configuring /etc/fstab to accept the additional settings by the > addition of the following line: > > Line for original installed cd reader > /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660, dev=/dev/cdrom > 00 > > Added line for cd rw > /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660, dev=/dev/cdrom > 00 > Your second line is identical to the first, and so is unneeded. /dev/cdrom can only point to one of them. In addition, at least for a RH6.2 fstab, the first item on the line must be something in the /dev directory, the second item is the mount point. (Your other parameters look a little odd as well.) In addition, since both CDs could be in use at the same time, you need different mount points for them. In any case, I think the lines should start out something like: /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom1 /dev/hdd /mnt/cdrom2 > I get an error message on boot that mount point does not exist. > Did you check ls -l /mnt/cdrom ? > Could some one please point me in the direction of how does one creat a > moint point. > A mount point is just a directory. Use the mkdir command. If you want to symlink something to an existing directory or file: ln -s original-file-or-dir name-of-new-link HTH, Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 22 18:32:41 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20621 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:32:41 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20618 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:32:41 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA03919 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.186.184]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with ESMTP id <20010422223240.XCYJ10312.flmta01@tampabay.rr.com> for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:32:40 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE35CA0.6BA4CA78@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:35:12 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mount point does not exist References: <3AE351B0.AAED3B13@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net A mount point is nothing more than a directory. mkdir works I believe. Ed Frank Roberts wrote: > > In my poretual attempts to acquire the latest Mandrake - Mandrake 8.0 I > moved my burner from my home machine into the new office machine. > > After configuring /etc/fstab to accept the additional settings by the > addition of the following line: > > Line for original installed cd reader > /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660, dev=/dev/cdrom > 00 > > Added line for cd rw > /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660, dev=/dev/cdrom > 00 > > I get an error message on boot that mount point does not exist. > > Could some one please point me in the direction of how does one creat a > moint point. > > Also if I look under harddrake (the system hardware configuration tool) > I get the following: > > CD Rom > HP CD-Writer+ 7200 with Dev=/dev/hdd > FX4830T (CD Reader) with Dev=/dev/hdc > > Thank > Frank From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 22 18:42:24 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20647 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:42:24 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20644 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:42:24 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA03957 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rr (242840hfc191.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.40.191]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3MMgIT18049 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000f01c0cb7c$da836000$0401a8c0@rr> From: "Todd" To: References: <3AE351B0.AAED3B13@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mount point does not exist Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:37:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net you might have to mount it as /dev/hdc and the as dev/hdd depending on how you want to use and in what case.....it is seeing you as having 2 cdroms so there for /dev/cdrom wont work. Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Roberts To: SLUG List Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 5:48 PM Subject: [SLUG] Mount point does not exist > In my poretual attempts to acquire the latest Mandrake - Mandrake 8.0 I > moved my burner from my home machine into the new office machine. > > After configuring /etc/fstab to accept the additional settings by the > addition of the following line: > > Line for original installed cd reader > /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660, dev=/dev/cdrom > 00 > > Added line for cd rw > /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660, dev=/dev/cdrom > 00 > > I get an error message on boot that mount point does not exist. > > Could some one please point me in the direction of how does one creat a > moint point. > > Also if I look under harddrake (the system hardware configuration tool) > I get the following: > > CD Rom > HP CD-Writer+ 7200 with Dev=/dev/hdd > FX4830T (CD Reader) with Dev=/dev/hdc > > Thank > Frank From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 22 18:54:13 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20676 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:54:13 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20673 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:54:13 -0400 Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA03994 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from louise (ip51.tampa7.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.6.51]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3MMsAx118548 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:54:11 -0400 Message-ID: <007c01c0cb7e$ff1296a0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <3AE351B0.AAED3B13@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mount point does not exist Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:52:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ed and Paul are right. Prior to mounting a file device, such as another disk or a cd a directory must be created as the mount. What ever is in this directory will be unavailable when it is mounted. So in /mnt create the two directories listed here: If Mandrake is like RedHat then fstab will have two lines like /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom iso9660 owner,noauto,ro 0 0 /dev/hdd /mnt/cdrw iso9669 owner,noauto,ro 0 0 Larry :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Roberts Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 5:48 PM > After configuring /etc/fstab to accept the additional settings by the > addition of the following line: > Added line for cd rw > /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660, dev=/dev/cdrom 00 > I get an error message on boot that mount point does not exist. > > Also if I look under harddrake (the system hardware configuration tool) > I get the following: > CD Rom > HP CD-Writer+ 7200 with Dev=/dev/hdd > FX4830T (CD Reader) with Dev=/dev/hdc > > Thank > Frank From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 22 19:02:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20736 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:02:01 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20733 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:02:01 -0400 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA04034 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-013.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.13]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12863 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE36266.E444F937@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:59:50 -0400 From: Frank Roberts X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mount point does not exist References: <3AE351B0.AAED3B13@earthlink.net> <20010422173456.A7559@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sorry about that Paul. That is twicw you cought me in stupid mistakes. I failed to edit the line after I copied it. Understandable if you are not with it and type 10 wpm. The line should have read. Added line for cd rw /mnt/rwcdrom /mnt/rwcdrom supermount fs=iso9660, dev=/dev/rwcdrom 00 Thanks Frank Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 05:48:32PM -0400, Frank Roberts wrote: > > > In my poretual attempts to acquire the latest Mandrake - Mandrake 8.0 I > > moved my burner from my home machine into the new office machine. > > > > After configuring /etc/fstab to accept the additional settings by the > > addition of the following line: > > > > Line for original installed cd reader > > /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660, dev=/dev/cdrom > > 00 > > > > Added line for cd rw > > /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660, dev=/dev/cdrom > > 00 > > > > Your second line is identical to the first, and so is unneeded. > /dev/cdrom can only point to one of them. In addition, at least for a > RH6.2 fstab, the first item on the line must be something in the /dev > directory, the second item is the mount point. (Your other parameters > look a little odd as well.) In addition, since both CDs could be in use > at the same time, you need different mount points for them. > > In any case, I think the lines should start out something like: > > /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom1 > /dev/hdd /mnt/cdrom2 > > > I get an error message on boot that mount point does not exist. > > > > Did you check ls -l /mnt/cdrom ? > > > Could some one please point me in the direction of how does one creat a > > moint point. > > > > A mount point is just a directory. Use the mkdir command. If you want to > symlink something to an existing directory or file: > > ln -s original-file-or-dir name-of-new-link > > HTH, > > Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 22 21:45:28 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21080 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:45:28 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21077 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:45:27 -0400 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA04537 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-013.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.13]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24642 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE38907.6C0FD2BA@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:44:39 -0400 From: Frank Roberts X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Mount point does not exist - 2 References: <3AE351B0.AAED3B13@earthlink.net> <20010422173456.A7559@quillandmouse.com> <3AE36266.E444F937@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net When I attempt to do a ls from command line /mnt dir I get a message sayinf that either fstab or mtab is configured incorrectly. On boot I get an error message saying that rwcdrom does not have a mount point. Line was added to /etc/fstab /mnt/rwcdrom /mnt/rwcdrom supermount fs=iso9660, dev=/dev/rwcdrom 00 I attempted to add the following line added to /etc/mtab /mnt/rwcdrom /mnt/rwcdrom supermount rw,fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/rwcdrom 00 After addition I checked /mnt with ls. I did not get a listing of rwcdrom. So I rebooted the system. Checked contents of fstab and mtab. fstab was modified. mtab was not as modified but had returned to the original file. Hope someone has some suggestions. Thanks Frank From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 22 23:01:16 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21310 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:01:16 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21307 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:01:15 -0400 Received: from mail.owlriver.com (IDENT:root@swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA04816 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by mail.owlriver.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3N2ulr05318 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:56:48 -0400 Received: from sanynet.ne.jp (242854hfc145.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.54.145]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3N31AU18551 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AE39F53.215EBA67@sanynet.ne.jp> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:19:47 -0400 From: "warrior@sanynet.ne.jp" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [ja] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13-33 i586) X-Accept-Language: ja, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@owlriver.com Subject: [SLUG] help with Roadrunner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have a Turbolinux 6.0 Workstation which has been connected to Roadrunner and running fine for some time. On a spare partition on the same box, I installed Red Hat 7.0. Although I have setup DHCP in linuxconf and also have tried to mimic the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts files as they are setup in Turbolinux, I cannot get Redhat to recognize the Roadrunner network. I am wondering if there are any special settings that have to be made to allow for DHCP used with Roadrunner (is it different from DHCP used on a regular LAN), but I don't know where the DHCP config files are. I never set anything special on the Turbolinux system; it came up to the network automatically. (PS. I have a sparc box running Solaris 8 that has the same problem. DHCP is set, but it can't seem to receive the address from RR like it should. What setting am I missing?). If anyone has any ideas, please let me know. Thanks. David W. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 00:08:51 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21501 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:08:51 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21498 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:08:51 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA05059 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newcomputer (653269hfc247.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.69.247]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3N48nU05969 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001a01c0cbaa$d57271e0$f7452041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] help with Roadrunner Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:06:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net if your cable modem is less then 6-8 months old it could be locked by the mac address of the nic for the turbolinux system and your solaris machine will not be able to work. this is why i will not change my modem -----Original Message----- From: warrior@sanynet.ne.jp To: slug@owlriver.com Date: Sunday, April 22, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: [SLUG] help with Roadrunner >I have a Turbolinux 6.0 Workstation which has been connected to >Roadrunner and running fine for some time. On a spare partition on the >same box, I installed Red Hat 7.0. Although I have setup DHCP in >linuxconf and also have tried to mimic the >/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts files as they are setup in Turbolinux, I >cannot get Redhat to recognize the Roadrunner network. > >I am wondering if there are any special settings that have to be made to >allow for DHCP used with Roadrunner (is it different from DHCP used on a > regular LAN), but I don't know where the DHCP config files are. I >never set anything special on the Turbolinux system; it came up to the >network automatically. > >(PS. I have a sparc box running Solaris 8 that has the same problem. >DHCP is set, but it can't seem to receive the address from RR like it >should. What setting am I missing?). > >If anyone has any ideas, please let me know. > >Thanks. > >David W. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 00:25:13 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21544 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:25:13 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21541 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:25:12 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA05127 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14rX2V-000224-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:29:27 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:29:27 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mount point does not exist Message-ID: <20010422232927.A7649@quillandmouse.com> References: <3AE351B0.AAED3B13@earthlink.net> <20010422173456.A7559@quillandmouse.com> <3AE36266.E444F937@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AE36266.E444F937@earthlink.net>; from sotl155360@earthlink.net on Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 06:59:50PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 06:59:50PM -0400, Frank Roberts wrote: > Sorry about that Paul. That is twicw you cought me in stupid mistakes. I > failed to edit the line after I copied it. Understandable if you are not > with it and type 10 wpm. The line should have read. > > Added line for cd rw > /mnt/rwcdrom /mnt/rwcdrom supermount fs=iso9660, > dev=/dev/rwcdrom 00 > > Thanks > Frank > Well again, unless you're using some weird form of fstab, your parameters are incorrect. See Larry's example and compare to yours. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 00:57:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21669 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:57:57 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21666 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:57:57 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA05295 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 01:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14rXYB-00022y-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:02:11 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:02:11 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mount point does not exist - 2 Message-ID: <20010423000211.B7649@quillandmouse.com> References: <3AE351B0.AAED3B13@earthlink.net> <20010422173456.A7559@quillandmouse.com> <3AE36266.E444F937@earthlink.net> <3AE38907.6C0FD2BA@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AE38907.6C0FD2BA@earthlink.net>; from sotl155360@earthlink.net on Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 09:44:39PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 09:44:39PM -0400, Frank Roberts wrote: > > When I attempt to do a ls from command line /mnt dir I get a message > sayinf that either fstab or mtab is configured incorrectly. > On boot I get an error message saying that rwcdrom does not have a mount > point. > > > Line was added to /etc/fstab > /mnt/rwcdrom /mnt/rwcdrom supermount fs=iso9660, dev=/dev/rwcdrom > 00 > > I attempted to add the following line added to /etc/mtab > /mnt/rwcdrom /mnt/rwcdrom supermount > rw,fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/rwcdrom 00 > > After addition I checked /mnt with ls. I did not get a listing of > rwcdrom. > > So I rebooted the system. > > Checked contents of fstab and mtab. > fstab was modified. > mtab was not as modified but had returned to the original file. > > Hope someone has some suggestions. > > Thanks > Frank Okay, you keep posting the same example, which is inconsistent with what I know of fstab. So I'm going to assume you're using an fstab file formatted like the rest of us. I'm going to step-by-step the fstab file edit, so you see what each thing should be and why. The first field is the name of the device. That is, /dev/hdd or somesuch. You posted something earlier about this, that it was /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd. So it's one of those. I _isn't_ somethin in your /mnt directory, so if you've got /mnt anything in that first slot, it's not right. Devices are in the /dev directory, not the /mnt directory. Also note that anything that looks like a "normal" device name is not really the device name, but a symbolic link to the device. That is, there is no such real device as, for instance, /dev/floppy. Most likely, the real device is something like /dev/fd0H1440. Someone may have set up a symlink so that /dev/floppy links to /dev/fd0H1440, but it's still just a symbolic link to that actual device name. The second parameter is the mount point. If you want to access a device like a hard drive on a Linux system, you have to "mount" it somewhere. If you just try to read raw data from the device, you'll have a hard time. "Mounting" links your device up to the rest of the filesystem and makes a place for all the stuff that's on that device. Typically the "mount point" is in the /mnt directory tree somewhere, but it doesn't have to be. In your case, it's probably /mnt/rwcdrom. For a floppy, it would probably be /mnt/floppy. Also _very_ important. You must _create_ the mount point before you can _use_ it. It's just a directory. Create it as root. The third parameter is typically the type of filesystem on that device. You've put "supermount" here, but I have never seen anything like that before. Normally a CDROM is "iso9660". A regular hard drive would usually be something like "ext2". The fourth parameter indicates what parameters would be passed to the mount command in order to mount this filesystem. You "rw" is probably correct, but "fs=iso9660" seems redundant if you have that as the third parameter (see above). There are other options possible, like "noauto", "user", etc. The fstab and mount man pages describe these. The last two parameters are probably not important for your system, and should both be 0. You've squashed them together, so you ought to separate them, as "0 0". So in the end, you should have something roughly like: /dev/hdd /mnt/rwcdrom iso9660 noauto,user 0 0 You can test your mounting system for a drive by giving a mount command with all the appropriate parameters. That is, you can manually mount it. In your case, mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /mnt/rwcdrom (I guess /dev/hdd is right for you. I don't know.) If it won't mount from this command, then it doesn't matter what you put in fstab. You need to get this right before you edit fstab. Making the mount command work will require that it _is_ an iso9660 filesystem, that it is correctly inserted in the drive (not upside down), that the device itself exists in the /dev directory, and that the mount point (/mnt/rwcdrom) does exist. If any of these things are wrong, it won't mount. And if there's nothing on the CDROM, you still won't get anything. Try to mount a standard CDROM in your CDRW drive first, since that's lowest common denominator. Once the mount command works, unmount the CDROM ("umount" command). Then tweak your fstab. Then attempt to mount the drive again, this time with mount /mnt/rwcdrom When you do this, the mount command should read the fstab to determine how to mount this drive, since you omitted a great many parameters. I would strongly suggest you check out the man pages for fstab and mount, and use Larry Sanders' fstab edits (posted earlier). If this doesn't do it, then I don't know what to tell you. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 07:53:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA23005 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:53:44 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23002 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:53:43 -0400 Received: from smtppop1pub.verizon.net (smtppop1pub.gte.net [206.46.170.20]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id IAA07113 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GTE.gte.net (1Cust186.tnt2.new-port-richey.fl.da.uu.net [63.24.243.186]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id GAA96451369 Mon, 23 Apr 2001 06:40:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010423070719.009fbd10@mail.gte.net> X-Sender: GTE/vzn05pmh@mail.gte.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:15:00 -0400 To: slug@nks.net From: "Maureen L. Thomas" Subject: [SLUG] RE: southbridge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I can't take the machine back because I built it. I did double check the power supply with AMD and made sure I got what they recommeded. I also bought the motherboard to go with the AMD Duron chip. (all information came from the AMD web site). I then double checked that information with the recommnedation from FIC the maker of the mother board. I have two hard drives on the same IDE channel, one as master and one as slave, with the cdrom and zip drive on the second channel with cdrom as master and zip as slave. I download files to the zip disk and then install from there. Maybe that's the problem. I did have a friend of mine who builds machines for a living check out my setup and he didn't find a problem. I am beginning to think that my Western Digital HD is the real culprit. I installed a new drive at the same time as changing the motherboard and cpu, (added more ram, used existing video board and existing modem). Someone had mentioned that western digital sometimes has a problem with linux. Going to have to check my email for that. Thanks for the advice. I think I'll have my friend double check it. (he's not familiar with linux, just winblows). Thanks again. I'll let you know what I find out. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 08:15:56 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23082 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:15:56 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23079 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:15:56 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id IAA07222 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.localdomain ([24.129.149.50]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with SMTP id <20010423121555.DVCL10312.flmta01@home.localdomain> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:15:55 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Seth To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RE: VIA southbridge chip Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:17:02 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010421041912.01ec3ec0@mail.gte.net> <3AE16F1D.FF13064F@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3AE16F1D.FF13064F@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042308170200.02639@home.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net what is your sound card? there have been reported problems w/ sound blaster Live! series and via chipsets Seth On Saturday 21 April 2001 07:29, you wrote: > Could you describe the problem you're experiencing or provide a link to > the Register article? > > Ed. > > "Maureen L. Thomas" wrote: > > I have a FIC motherboard, KT133 with the VIA 686B chip set. I read an > > article in the Register regarding a problem with this chip set. I have > > been to both web sites (FIC, VIA) and can only find fixes for > > winblows. Can anyone lead me in the right direction or explain how to > > fix the problem in Linux. I use Mandarke . I would greatly appreciate > > any help so I can finally get this finished and get rid of winblows. > > Thanks, Moe -- Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. Seth seth@hollen.org From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 08:33:15 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23114 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:33:15 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23111 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:33:15 -0400 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id IAA07293 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10316 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2001 12:33:14 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 23 Apr 2001 12:33:14 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([64.182.194.58]) by stewartsigns.com ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:33:11 -0500 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] Thats it,, I have had it!! Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:32:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <01042308170200.02639@home.localdomain> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Can anyone tell me it they have heard of any difficulties with moving a compaq Presario 450 over to linux? I have rebooted enough in wind no's to shatter my nerves. I have both a windows and linux server and now I plan on having two linux boxes at home...!!!Enough is enough!! Michael C. Rock. > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Seth > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 8:17 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] RE: VIA southbridge chip > > > what is your sound card? > there have been reported problems w/ sound blaster Live! series and via > chipsets > > Seth > > On Saturday 21 April 2001 07:29, you wrote: > > Could you describe the problem you're experiencing or provide a link to > > the Register article? > > > > Ed. > > > > "Maureen L. Thomas" wrote: > > > I have a FIC motherboard, KT133 with the VIA 686B chip set. I read an > > > article in the Register regarding a problem with this chip > set. I have > > > been to both web sites (FIC, VIA) and can only find fixes for > > > winblows. Can anyone lead me in the right direction or explain how to > > > fix the problem in Linux. I use Mandarke . I would greatly > appreciate > > > any help so I can finally get this finished and get rid of winblows. > > > Thanks, Moe > > -- > > Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. > Seth > seth@hollen.org > > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 09:21:03 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA23222 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:21:03 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23219 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:21:02 -0400 Received: from mail.owlriver.com (IDENT:root@swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA07460 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pokey.513erich.iwaynet.net (router.513erich.iwaynet.net [206.244.44.225]) by mail.owlriver.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3NDGWr30546 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:16:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by pokey.513erich.iwaynet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25788 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:22:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:22:20 -0400 (EDT) From: herrold To: SLUG list Subject: [SLUG] Procmail Locking (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From the procmail list, this is a rather complete explanation of locking which crossed this morning ... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:46:08 -0700 From: Andrew Edelstein To: procmail@informatik.rwth-aachen.de Subject: Re: Locking On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 12:56:27AM -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > Alrighty, then I don't know what a filter is. I would have assumed that > anything is a filter when email is piped to it. It seems by your answer > that a "filter" would be something which is "non-delivery". According > to the man page, that's only things which 1) give the email back to > procmail for handling, 2) start a nesting block, or 3) recipes that use > the "c" flag. Is this correct? If so, some of the FAQ stuff I've seen > seems incorrect. Often when formail is used, the "f" flag is also used. > And if you don't want to make formail output disappear, you have to dump > it back on the spool or give it back to procmail (which would, of > course, make it non-delivery). There have been a couple of answers given already that give a pretty good idea what a "filter" is in a procmail context, but I wanted to jump in and clarify a little bit, from someone else who has in the past been confused by the usage of that word and is not a programmer. The main thing is non-delivery option 1) above. The external process doesn't "give the mail back" to procmail, rather procmail waits to see if the external process succeeds, terminating if it does (after some cleanup), and continuing processing the mail if the external process fails. If you imagine this in plain English dialog, it goes something like this: (Success) Procmail: External process, here is a piece of data for you. I'll wait to see if you can do something with it. External process: Got it. I've done my thing. Procmail: Great. Cleaning up and terminating. (Failure) Procmail: External process, here is a piece of data for you. I'll wait to see if you can do something with this. External process: Failure (or technically, non-zero exit status) Procmail: Hm, guess that external process couldn't do anything with the data I gave it. I'll have to figure out what to do with my copy. Whereas with the filter flag it's more like: Procmail: External process, here is a piece of data for you. Do you're thing and give me some data back. External process: Thanks. I'm done now. Here's some data for you. Procmail: Got it. And Procmail then takes the new data received from the external process and proceeds with the next rule. In the first instance, procmail keeps a the message for itself, passing a copy to the external process. If the external process passes back a zero exit status, procmail throws away it's copy and terminates. In the second case, procmail hands the message off to the external process, which then hands something back to procmail. What actually gets handed back as far as procmail doesn't have to even remotely resemble what it last saw, as long as it is still recognizable as a piece of email. -- Andrew Edelstein http://andrew.pure-chaos.com A third factor is the not uncommon attitude on the part of upper management that because a project must be completed by a certain date, therefore it can and will be completed by that date, and information to the contrary is not welcome. Pitfalls of Object-Oriented Development Chapter 3 _______________________________________________ procmail mailing list procmail@lists.RWTH-Aachen.DE http://MailMan.RWTH-Aachen.DE/mailman/listinfo/procmail From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 10:39:38 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23663 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:39:38 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23660 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:39:38 -0400 Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id KAA08037 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cofa129-173.arts.usf.edu (HELO yahoo.com) (131.247.129.173) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2001 14:39:36 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AE43E56.B7F31E59@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:38:14 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Thats it,, I have had it!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mikes work account wrote: > > Can anyone tell me it they have heard of any difficulties with moving a > compaq Presario 450 over to linux? I have rebooted enough in wind no's to > shatter my nerves. I have both a windows and linux server and now I plan on > having two linux boxes at home...!!!Enough is enough!! > > Michael C. Rock. > > As far as I know, Compaq doesn't play very nice with GNU/Linux. However, I recommend that you get a partitioning tool and try out a small partition of GNU/Linux to see if you're going to encounter any compatibility problems (if you go with a off-the-shelf box, then you're in luck if you go with Mandrake or SuSE - they both have built in partitioning tools). If you look to run fine from there, I'd say back up your precious info and blast that HD. If things are NOT fine, then... well, that's what we're here for ;). Now, note that you're probably going to have better luck with SuSE, seeing as they seem to be forging a business alliance. (If anyone remembers what I'm referring to, can you please post some links). Good luck. P.S. Presario 450... How old is it? Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 10:53:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23835 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:53:57 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23832 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:53:57 -0400 From: mep_lists_843@att.net Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA08196 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.57]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010423145326.QMNZ29862.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:53:26 +0000 Received: from [24.96.48.59] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:53:26 +0000 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:53:26 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 27 2001) Message-Id: <20010423145326.QMNZ29862.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Just wondering if anyone here has already solved these miscellaneous problems I've been having: - Fully qualified hostname: My computer is connected to the network either by a cable modem behind a router/firewall (IP address is private, i.e. 192.168.*.*), or by ppp (dialup). What should I call my machine where a fully qualified domain name is requested in config files like /etc/sysconfig/network? I like to call my machine granite, but something like (for example) "granite.example.net" is not a correct DNS name for my machine and I don't want it to show up in email headers, etc. Should it be "granite.localdomain"?? Maybe I should use "example.net" just to make sure it doesn't resolve to someone elses computer (example.net is reserved by IANA for ... examples). - Samba: I always have trouble getting the initial connection to my Linux machine when browsing the network from a windows machine. The Linux machine is not visible in the network neighborhood listing and I get a timeout or "the network is busy" when trying to browse the Linux machine. If I try again later, it always works. There are error messages in the logfiles, but I won't post them here unless someone requests it. - Gnome: I have icons for my filesystems, I guess they were generated from my fstab(?)-- one is a zip drive, the other my windows partition. They have names like "Device 0" and "Disk 0". I can figure out which is which from icon properties and rename them, but they revert back to the unhelpful names on the next login. Any ideas on any of these topics? -- Mark Polhamus -- mep_lists_843@att.net From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 10:59:39 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23889 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:59:39 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23886 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:59:38 -0400 Received: from pokey.513erich.iwaynet.net (router.513erich.iwaynet.net [206.244.44.225]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA08241 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by pokey.513erich.iwaynet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03825 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:00:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:00:57 -0400 (EDT) From: herrold To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Thats it,, I have had it!! In-Reply-To: <3AE43E56.B7F31E59@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > As far as I know, Compaq doesn't play very nice with GNU/Linux. Hunh? This will come as a great surprise to several firewalls, RAS dialup/fax servers with Rocketport cards, DHCP/DNS servers, and stray boxes which I manage -- I find the Compaq hardware fine, when using reliable parts. There were such assertions perhaps 5 years ago that Compaq was using some non-standard parts (The Presario's were thought to be touchy on the 72 pin ram they would accept) -- but I run hardware dating back to the 386/sx 16 era through the present, and it all runs fine -- Red Hat or Debian (OpenBSD too). ... The initial complaint was a bit vague -- what specific issues were being encountered? -- Russ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 11:11:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24005 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:11:00 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24002 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:10:59 -0400 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id LAA08300 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cofa129-173.arts.usf.edu (HELO yahoo.com) (131.247.129.173) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2001 15:10:58 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AE445A5.D2F08B1@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:09:25 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Thats it,, I have had it!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net herrold wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > As far as I know, Compaq doesn't play very nice with GNU/Linux. > > Hunh? This will come as a great surprise to several firewalls, RAS > dialup/fax servers with Rocketport cards, DHCP/DNS servers, and > stray boxes which I manage -- I find the Compaq hardware fine, when > using reliable parts. > > Thnks for the clear up ;) Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 11:15:26 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24052 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:15:26 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24049 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:15:26 -0400 Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA08349 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bpreece (user-33qtt2r.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.244.91]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25513 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000501c0cc08$514bca20$fa51090a@bpreece> From: "Bill Preece" To: Subject: [SLUG] Re: That's It I have Had it Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:16:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Most Mid Line Compaq's actually run Linux pretty well. In Fact usually better then they ever do Windows. :-) The one thing you have to keep in mind with Compaq's. They have to use service paq's as they call them when running the other Os. If you just reformat and set the Drive they will not work that well at all without these soft paq's. I can also tell you if you ever change the Hard Drive in a Compaq that they use a Partition that holds the Compaq Bios Setup information. If you ever change this you must down load the tool to create that partition as if you do not you can not change your systems Bios settings at all !!!!!! The other crappy thing is that this partition utility was written to run while you guessed it under Windows. This has been on all Compaq's except the Proliant Servers for the past 4 years. What I suggest is make sure you have the partition for your set up on the drive then blow off the Microsoft Partition with funny enough Microsoft's utility called Delpart.exe this run's of a bootable dos disk. This will wipe any type of partition repeat any Os2, Windows , Unix , Linux , and any BSD systems. After that run your fdisk /mbr to clear the boot record and viola you have a clean drive. NOTE! Make sure you do not delete that 10 - 16 meg setup partition. After this you are ready to install your Distro. If you need the delpart.exe utility you can go to lycos and do a search it is easy to find. I will say this File works. In fact when Norb set up his laptop I recommended it and he did this and he can tell you it works like a charm. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 12:12:27 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24624 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:12:27 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24621 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:12:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE4546B.C0C0B464@illusionary.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:12:27 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Burning CDs References: <20010416175001.A27414@quillandmouse.com> <1124.192.168.0.1.987868332.squirrel@www.reinbach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Greg Reinbach wrote: > > Hi All, > Having a little problem burning some CDs. Problem being that when I burn a > CD everything seems to go fine, light comes on, CD gets popped out at the > end with no error messages, but when I try to read the CD it is still > blank!!! Now what I am trying to work out is if this is due to bad blank CDs > (tried 6 CDs now) or is it possible that the CD Burner is not working > correctly? Running Mandrake 7.2 with Smart & Friendly CD Burner. In the past > have managed to burn CDs but have reinstalled/upgraded since then. Even > tried to burn it windows (dual booting machine), same thing happens. Am able > to read normal CDs. > Any help would be appreciated in how to go about finding the fault. I'd try one directly from the command-line using 'cdrecord' and see if it reports any specific errors or problems. (It could be that somehow your CDR has managed to get stuck permanently into "test burn" mode where it does everything except actually write the data to the disc...) cdrecord doesn't have the most intuitive command-line, but it should be considered the 'ultimate' cd burning software - if all else fails and cdrecord can't do it, then it either can't be done or it's broke. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 12:14:11 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24638 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:14:11 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24635 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:14:10 -0400 Received: from mail.owlriver.com (IDENT:root@swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA08856 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.catmktg.com ([198.199.226.43]) by mail.owlriver.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3NG9gr24046 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:09:43 -0400 Received: by mail.catmktg.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:14:02 -0400 Message-ID: <849CC29A6E5BD41196050008C786281B03203AB6@mail.catmktg.com> From: David Walter To: "SLUG list (E-mail)" Subject: RE: [SLUG] help with Roadrunner Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:14:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net That would hold true except that my Red Hat system and Turbolinux system are on the same machine. They are using the same NIC card with the same MAC address. Is there anybody out there using Roadrunner with Redhat that has had similar problems? Also, can anybody tell me how to confirm that DHCP is up and running fine? David W. -----Original Message----- From: Bpreece [mailto:bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 12:07 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] help with Roadrunner if your cable modem is less then 6-8 months old it could be locked by the mac address of the nic for the turbolinux system and your solaris machine will not be able to work. this is why i will not change my modem -----Original Message----- From: warrior@sanynet.ne.jp To: slug@owlriver.com Date: Sunday, April 22, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: [SLUG] help with Roadrunner >I have a Turbolinux 6.0 Workstation which has been connected to >Roadrunner and running fine for some time. On a spare partition on the >same box, I installed Red Hat 7.0. Although I have setup DHCP in >linuxconf and also have tried to mimic the >/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts files as they are setup in Turbolinux, I >cannot get Redhat to recognize the Roadrunner network. > >I am wondering if there are any special settings that have to be made to >allow for DHCP used with Roadrunner (is it different from DHCP used on a > regular LAN), but I don't know where the DHCP config files are. I >never set anything special on the Turbolinux system; it came up to the >network automatically. > >(PS. I have a sparc box running Solaris 8 that has the same problem. >DHCP is set, but it can't seem to receive the address from RR like it >should. What setting am I missing?). > >If anyone has any ideas, please let me know. > >Thanks. > >David W. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 12:30:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24763 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:30:01 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24760 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:30:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE45889.E6A78826@illusionary.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:30:01 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] help with Roadrunner References: <3AE39F53.215EBA67@sanynet.ne.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net "warrior@sanynet.ne.jp" wrote: > > I have a Turbolinux 6.0 Workstation which has been connected to > Roadrunner and running fine for some time. On a spare partition on the > same box, I installed Red Hat 7.0. Although I have setup DHCP in > linuxconf and also have tried to mimic the > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts files as they are setup in Turbolinux, I > cannot get Redhat to recognize the Roadrunner network. > > I am wondering if there are any special settings that have to be made to > allow for DHCP used with Roadrunner (is it different from DHCP used on a > regular LAN), but I don't know where the DHCP config files are. I > never set anything special on the Turbolinux system; it came up to the > network automatically. My guess is that your TurboLinux box is using 'dhclient', which is the 'official' ISC DHCP client code, while RedHat uses 'pump', which is a very streamlined, stripped down DHCP client. I've never gotten 'pump' to get an address from RoadRunner; I've always had to install 'dhclient.' Dunno why, and I've heard from a couple other folks who say they use 'pump' with no trouble, but it's never worked for me, 'dhclient' always has. - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 12:42:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24809 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:42:07 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24806 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:42:07 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE45B5F.E7E7A31D@illusionary.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:42:07 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RE: southbridge References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010423070719.009fbd10@mail.gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi Maureen, There has been a recent bug turned up in the kernel with the VIA chipsets used on most AMD Athlon/Duron boards and DMA to the IDE devices. Andre "The Linux IDE Guy" Hedrick thinks he's turned it up, but if you want to be absolutely safe, just disable DMA on your drive(s): # hdparm -d 0 /dev/hda # hdparm -d 0 /dev/hdb Otherwise, grab the absolute latest kernel (either 2.2.19 or 2.4.3) and give it a try. I had some problems on my older K7V motherboard when I would enable DMA, but the most recent kernels don't give me any trouble anymore. It's probably worth reiterating that yes, Western Digital has a really bad reputation for not being fully-compliant with the ATAPI spec and you're much more likely to have problems with Western Digital hard drives than any other brand. We use Maxtor almost exclusively where I work because we've had maybe two outright failures in about the last five years, they have a great return policy, they're cheap, they're blazing fast, and they are fully compliant with all the various specs which means you can tune them to actually do what the chipset should be able to do with a compliant ATAPI device. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 12:58:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24920 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:58:49 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24917 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:58:48 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE45F48.C69835AB@illusionary.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:58:48 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Thats it,, I have had it!! References: <3AE43E56.B7F31E59@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > As far as I know, Compaq doesn't play very nice with GNU/Linux. However, What are you smoking man?! Compaq actually has AMAZINGLY GOOD support for Linux. Check this out: http://www.compaq.com/products/software/linux/ So, ok, they actually have really really good support for their server class machines, not so good for desktops, but who buys a Compaq desktop to run Linux anyway? ;) Seriously, we've installed Linux on everything from ancient Proliant 1500 towers to brand new little 1u DL360's to massive 8-way Xeon Proliant 6000 series machines with no problems at all. Compaq's got great support for their SMARTRAID controllers and ThunderLAN based NICs, and the techs at Compaq who do Linux support are amazingly knowledgable and responsive about supporting you if you do have issues. I have the feeling the reason the support is so good is that the people inside of Compaq pushing Linux are Linux fanatics themselves, giving 110% to make sure that the rest of Compaq realizes that Linux is a viable force in the server OS marketplace so they can eventually stop working quite so hard all the time and let Compaq do all the pushing once they realize how good Linux could be for Compaq if they pushed it as hard as they do Windows or Tru64 UNIX. Mike, Compaq doesn't explicitly list any of the Presario line as being compatible with Linux but if you can list the hardware that's in the box we can probably tell you how easy it will be to get it working. (Things like video chipset, hard drive controller, etc.) Unless it's got some REALLY WEIRD video or IDE chipset in there, it shouldn't be a problem at all. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 16:08:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26086 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:08:20 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26083 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:08:20 -0400 Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id QAA10414 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-013.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.13]) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16358 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE48B74.F6E16BA1@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:07:16 -0400 From: Frank Roberts X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Thats it,, I have had it!! References: <3AE43E56.B7F31E59@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Since I do not have a laptop I did not read this but you may want to take a look at the RH7.1 specifications. I seem to recall when I read them that they had added some features especially focused at laptops. Frank Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > Mikes work account wrote: > > > > Can anyone tell me it they have heard of any difficulties with moving a > > compaq Presario 450 over to linux? I have rebooted enough in wind no's to > > shatter my nerves. I have both a windows and linux server and now I plan on > > having two linux boxes at home...!!!Enough is enough!! > > > > Michael C. Rock. > > > > > > As far as I know, Compaq doesn't play very nice with GNU/Linux. However, > I recommend that you get a partitioning tool and try out a small > partition of GNU/Linux to see if you're going to encounter any > compatibility problems (if you go with a off-the-shelf box, then you're > in luck if you go with Mandrake or SuSE - they both have built in > partitioning tools). If you look to run fine from there, I'd say back up > your precious info and blast that HD. If things are NOT fine, then... > well, that's what we're here for ;). Now, note that you're probably > going to have better luck with SuSE, seeing as they seem to be forging a > business alliance. (If anyone remembers what I'm referring to, can you > please post some links). > > Good luck. > > P.S. > Presario 450... How old is it? > > Norb > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 17:57:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26956 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:57:04 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26953 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:57:03 -0400 Received: from ostrich.mail.pas.earthlink.net (ostrich.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.14]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA11238 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pop04.earthlink.net [207.217.120.204]) by ostrich.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15937 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-013.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.13]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20663 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE4A10D.6618D97D@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:39:25 -0400 From: Frank Roberts X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mount point does not exist - 2 References: <3AE351B0.AAED3B13@earthlink.net> <20010422173456.A7559@quillandmouse.com> <3AE36266.E444F937@earthlink.net> <3AE38907.6C0FD2BA@earthlink.net> <20010423000211.B7649@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 09:44:39PM -0400, Frank Roberts wrote: > > > > > When I attempt to do a ls from command line /mnt dir I get a message > > sayinf that either fstab or mtab is configured incorrectly. > > On boot I get an error message saying that rwcdrom does not have a mount > > point. > > > > > > Line was added to /etc/fstab > > /mnt/rwcdrom /mnt/rwcdrom supermount fs=iso9660, dev=/dev/rwcdrom > > 00 > > > > I attempted to add the following line added to /etc/mtab > > /mnt/rwcdrom /mnt/rwcdrom supermount > > rw,fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/rwcdrom 00 > > > > After addition I checked /mnt with ls. I did not get a listing of > > rwcdrom. > > > > So I rebooted the system. > > > > Checked contents of fstab and mtab. > > fstab was modified. > > mtab was not as modified but had returned to the original file. > > > > Hope someone has some suggestions. > > > > Thanks > > Frank > > Okay, you keep posting the same example, which is inconsistent with what > I know of fstab. So I'm going to assume you're using an fstab file > formatted like the rest of us. I'm going to step-by-step the fstab file > edit, so you see what each thing should be and why. > > The first field is the name of the device. That is, /dev/hdd or > somesuch. You posted something earlier about this, that it was /dev/hdc > or /dev/hdd. So it's one of those. I _isn't_ somethin in your /mnt > directory, so if you've got /mnt anything in that first slot, it's not > right. Devices are in the /dev directory, not the /mnt directory. > > Also note that anything that looks like a "normal" device name is not > really the device name, but a symbolic link to the device. That is, > there is no such real device as, for instance, /dev/floppy. Most likely, > the real device is something like /dev/fd0H1440. Someone may have set up > a symlink so that /dev/floppy links to /dev/fd0H1440, but it's still > just a symbolic link to that actual device name. > > The second parameter is the mount point. If you want to access a device > like a hard drive on a Linux system, you have to "mount" it somewhere. > If you just try to read raw data from the device, you'll have a hard > time. "Mounting" links your device up to the rest of the filesystem and > makes a place for all the stuff that's on that device. Typically the > "mount point" is in the /mnt directory tree somewhere, but it doesn't > have to be. In your case, it's probably /mnt/rwcdrom. For a floppy, it > would probably be /mnt/floppy. Also _very_ important. You must _create_ > the mount point before you can _use_ it. It's just a directory. Create > it as root. > > The third parameter is typically the type of filesystem on that device. > You've put "supermount" here, but I have never seen anything like that > before. Normally a CDROM is "iso9660". A regular hard drive would > usually be something like "ext2". > > The fourth parameter indicates what parameters would be passed to the > mount command in order to mount this filesystem. You "rw" is probably > correct, but "fs=iso9660" seems redundant if you have that as the third > parameter (see above). There are other options possible, like "noauto", > "user", etc. The fstab and mount man pages describe these. > > The last two parameters are probably not important for your system, and > should both be 0. You've squashed them together, so you ought to > separate them, as "0 0". > > So in the end, you should have something roughly like: > > /dev/hdd /mnt/rwcdrom iso9660 noauto,user 0 0 > > You can test your mounting system for a drive by giving a mount command > with all the appropriate parameters. That is, you can manually mount it. > In your case, > > mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /mnt/rwcdrom > > (I guess /dev/hdd is right for you. I don't know.) > > If it won't mount from this command, then it doesn't matter what you put > in fstab. You need to get this right before you edit fstab. Making the > mount command work will require that it _is_ an iso9660 filesystem, that > it is correctly inserted in the drive (not upside down), that the device > itself exists in the /dev directory, and that the mount point > (/mnt/rwcdrom) does exist. If any of these things are wrong, it won't > mount. And if there's nothing on the CDROM, you still won't get > anything. Try to mount a standard CDROM in your CDRW drive first, since > that's lowest common denominator. > > Once the mount command works, unmount the CDROM ("umount" command). Then > tweak your fstab. Then attempt to mount the drive again, this time with > > mount /mnt/rwcdrom > > When you do this, the mount command should read the fstab to determine > how to mount this drive, since you omitted a great many parameters. > > I would strongly suggest you check out the man pages for fstab and > mount, and use Larry Sanders' fstab edits (posted earlier). If this > doesn't do it, then I don't know what to tell you. > > Paul Paul I am well aware that my knowledge of Linux is much much less than yours. I have not been playing with it as long nor did I start with the earlier versions like you did. But I do have a little bit of knowledge. Not much but a little bit. Also my procedures are not that bad either. As you may recall effectively have 3 linux boxes and 1 Win 98 box at the current moment of time. The first box you are very familiar with it is the HP one I keep dragging to the meetings several years ago. The second and third one are really the same one. You recall the new one I built with two chard drives in it. One hard drive is a IBM 45 Gbit. The other is a WD 13 GB. Only one of which is physically connected at any one time. I disconnect the power feed and the ribbon cable to the one not in use. The object originally was to use only one but it became convenient to work on one hd and then the other. That way I would not destroy what progress I had made in setting the equipment up. Now originally the WD drive had RH 6.1 on it but I was having so much luck with the Mandrake on the IBM that I put Mandrake on it two. Currently both the WD and the IBM drives have exactly the same system installed on them - well almost. Mandrake on the IBM was installed with the read only cdrom in the system; I have yet to get the IBM to acknowledge the second drive but it acknowledges the dsl line and the internet is no problem. Mandrake on the WD was installed with both the read only cdrom and the read/write cdrom installed; the WD acknowledges both cdroms but regardless of what I do it does acknowledge the dsl line so there is no internet connection. Now as far as my postings. After I began to have problems I quit here in the office and went home where after some time I formulated my battle plan. The first thing I did was to copy the fstab file from my home computer. ___________________________________________ Copy of file from home computer # /etc/fstab - home computer /dev/hda1 /mnt/dos vfat user,noauto,rw /dev/hda1 / ext2 defaults 1 1 /dev/hdb5 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy vfat user,noauto 0 0 /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 user,exec,dev,suid,rw,noauto 0 0 /dev/hdd /mnt/rwcdrom iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 # /etc/mtab I did not copy this file and bring it to the office. ___________________________________________ I then took a look at the two FStab files and the mtab files here in the office. ___________________________________________ # /etc/fstab - from WD HD dev/hda5 / ext2 defaults 1 1 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom 0 0 /mnt/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom2 supermount fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom2 0 0 /mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy supermount fs=vfat,dev=/dev/fd0 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda1 swap swap defaults 0 0 # /etcmtab - from WD HD /dev/hda5 / ext2 rw 0 0 none /proc proc rw 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=0620 0 0 /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount rw,fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom 0 0 /mnt/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom2 supermount rw,fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom2 0 0 /mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy supermount rw,fs=vfat,dev=/dev/fd0 0 0 automount(pid416) /misc autofs rw,fd=5,pgrp=416,minproto=2,maxproto=3 0 0 ___________________________________________ # /etc/fstab - from IBM HD /dev/hda1 / ext2 defaults 1 1 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 /mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy supermount fs=vfat,dev=/dev/fd0 0 0 /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom 0 0 /mnt/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom2 supermount fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom2 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda5 swap swap defaults 0 0 # /etc/mtab - from IBM HD /dev/hda1 / ext2 rw 0 0 none /proc proc rw 0 0 none /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=0620 0 0 /mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy supermount rw,fs=vfat,dev=/dev/fd0 0 0 /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount rw,fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom 0 0 automount(pid506) /misc autofs rw,fd=5,pgrp=506,minproto=2,maxproto=3 0 0 ___________________________________________ Now if you look at these files and my previous post (if you excuse some slight typing mistakes) you will find that the idea of rwcdrom comes from the home machine. It worked there so the think went it should work here in the office. That did not work. Although it was not posted in explicit detail I did try the idea of cdrom2 from the WD hard drive in the IBM drive. The process for this was simple first I tried to edit the file then I tried copping the file from the WD drive to a disk and then back into the IBM drive. That did not work. I then noticed that I was getting an error message because the mtab and fstab files were not the same. Observe that in the drives that acknowledges the rwcdrom and that we have both files from - the WD - that these files are indeed the same. I then tried to make them the same in the IBM drive. You will observe how neatly lined up the fstab files ore for the IBM drive. I did the mtab files the same and being my usual seld I saved this file as mtab and mtab-fr. The original was saved as mtab-Original. After this I tried to access the rwcdrom. No go. So I rebooted the system. What I then observed was that the IBM mtab files had returned to the original state. That is there is no line in that file for the rwcdrom. What this is telling me is that Mandrake has changes the system somehow so that there is an automatically generation mtab configuration file. This kinds or reminds me of SuSE and why I hate SuSE. SuSe being noted for this. You can never figure out what is happening. There is always some program automatically changing things to some special configuration file only an expert can find. The whole purpose of this exercise though was to down load the latest Mandrake 8.0 and not buy it. After future consideration I am now of the opinion that I personally due to both a time and knowledge constraints would be better of buying the latest version. Thanks for the help. Frank From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 18:30:36 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27192 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:30:36 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27189 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:30:36 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA11468 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14rnz4-0002HJ-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:35:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:35:02 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Procmail Locking (fwd) Message-ID: <20010423173502.A7921@quillandmouse.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from herrold@owlriver.com on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 09:22:20AM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 09:22:20AM -0400, herrold wrote: > > >From the procmail list, this is a rather complete explanation of > locking which crossed this morning ... > Ahem. You _do_ realize I'm the one who posted the original question? I recently subbed to that list, and after some comments you made earlier, I suspected you were also on the list. Small world, eh? ;-} Paul > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:46:08 -0700 > From: Andrew Edelstein > To: procmail@informatik.rwth-aachen.de > Subject: Re: Locking > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 12:56:27AM -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Alrighty, then I don't know what a filter is. I would have assumed that From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 18:33:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27201 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:33:01 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27198 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:33:01 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA11478 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c8l3c9 (653258hfc33.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.58.33]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3NMWwU26896 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002601c0cc45$ec6f49e0$213a2041@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Travis Walls" To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010423070719.009fbd10@mail.gte.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] RE: southbridge Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:37:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have the same chipset with same problems. However, i think if you can get a pci ide controller that works with linux, you can get rid of the onboard ide, maybe that'll help Travis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen L. Thomas" To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 7:15 AM Subject: [SLUG] RE: southbridge > I can't take the machine back because I built it. I did double check the > power supply with AMD and made sure I got what they recommeded. I also > bought the motherboard to go with the AMD Duron chip. (all information > came from the AMD web site). I then double checked that information with > the recommnedation from FIC the maker of the mother board. I have two hard > drives on the same IDE channel, one as master and one as slave, with the > cdrom and zip drive on the second channel with cdrom as master and zip as > slave. I download files to the zip disk and then install from > there. Maybe that's the problem. I did have a friend of mine who builds > machines for a living check out my setup and he didn't find a problem. > I am beginning to think that my Western Digital HD is the real > culprit. I installed a new drive at the same time as changing the > motherboard and cpu, (added more ram, used existing video board and > existing modem). Someone had mentioned that western digital sometimes has > a problem with linux. Going to have to check my email for that. > Thanks for the advice. I think I'll have my friend double check > it. (he's not familiar with linux, just winblows). Thanks again. I'll > let you know what I find out. > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 19:47:34 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27572 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:47:34 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27569 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:47:34 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f88.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.88]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA12017 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:47:03 -0700 Received: from 24.92.160.94 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:47:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.92.160.94] From: "Greg Scmidt" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mount point does not exist - 2 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:47:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2001 23:47:03.0113 (UTC) FILETIME=[B23BF390:01C0CC4F] Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Regarding: > >The third parameter is typically the type of filesystem on that device. >You've put "supermount" here, but I have never seen anything like that >before. Normally a CDROM is "iso9660". A regular hard drive would >usually be something like "ext2". > Me thinks that crusty old salts like Paul don't need no stinking "supermount". It is supposed to make it easier to handle removable media. http://www.geocities.com/alexismikhailov/supermount.html has some info. I've had problems with supermount. I've usually overcome them by resorting to the plain old mount and fstab. Just an idea. Hope it helps. Greg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 22:44:32 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28119 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:44:32 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28116 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:44:32 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA12810 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14rrwr-0002Kf-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:49:01 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:49:01 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mount point does not exist - 2 Message-ID: <20010423214901.B8850@quillandmouse.com> References: <3AE351B0.AAED3B13@earthlink.net> <20010422173456.A7559@quillandmouse.com> <3AE36266.E444F937@earthlink.net> <3AE38907.6C0FD2BA@earthlink.net> <20010423000211.B7649@quillandmouse.com> <3AE4A10D.6618D97D@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AE4A10D.6618D97D@earthlink.net>; from sotl155360@earthlink.net on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 05:39:25PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 05:39:25PM -0400, Frank Roberts wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 09:44:39PM -0400, Frank Roberts wrote: > > > > > > > Okay, you keep posting the same example, which is inconsistent with what > > I know of fstab. So I'm going to assume you're using an fstab file > > formatted like the rest of us. I'm going to step-by-step the fstab file > > edit, so you see what each thing should be and why. > > > I am well aware that my knowledge of Linux is much much less than yours. > I have not been playing with it as long nor did I start with the earlier > versions like you did. But I do have a little bit of knowledge. Not much > but a little bit. Also my procedures are not that bad either. My apologies. It wasn't my intent to belittle your Linux expertise. But since you repeatedly posted similar [seemingly incorrect] fstabs, I assumed it was necessary to cut back and explain the subject from a more elementary perspective. My mistake. BTW folks, there's a spectrum of Linux knowledge in this group that spans from raw Windows people to people like Russ, Derrick, Ian and others. I am _not_ in that latter class. I'm somewhere in the middle. So if I make a mistake, feel free to correct me. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 22:46:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28131 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:46:20 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28128 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:46:20 -0400 Received: from fl-mta03.durocom.com (fl-mta03.durocom.com [216.53.195.244]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA12832 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.175]) by fl-mta03.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010424024339.WFVE568.fl-mta03@mpinet.net> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:43:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE4E7D7.15ED58F0@mpinet.net> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:41:27 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19-6.2.1 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Sound module does not load after kernel upgrade Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I recently upgraded my kernel to 2.2.19 and at boot-up I get the message: Saving mixer settings modprobe: can't locate module sound-slot-o modprobe: cna't locate module sound-service-o-o aumix: error opening mixer I am using RH 6.1 Any suggestions? Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 22:52:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28150 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:52:08 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28147 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:52:08 -0400 Received: from mail.owlriver.com (IDENT:root@swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA12853 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (herrold@localhost) by mail.owlriver.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3O2lT819672 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:47:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:47:29 -0400 (EDT) From: R P Herrold To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Procmail Locking (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20010423173502.A7921@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 09:22:20AM -0400, herrold wrote: > > >From the procmail list, this is a rather complete explanation of > > locking which crossed this morning ... > > Ahem. You _do_ realize I'm the one who posted the original question? I > recently subbed to that list, and after some comments you made earlier, > I suspected you were also on the list. Small world, eh? ;-} Yes; Yes; Since the topic had been raised on the list, and the responses offered were partial, I thought this rather good explanation should cronn this list -- I'd be lost without procmail ... -- Russ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 23:05:54 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28205 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:05:54 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28202 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:05:54 -0400 Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA12908 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from louise (ip227.tampa7.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.6.227]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3O35pP136708 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:05:51 -0400 Message-ID: <00b901c0cc6b$9a706cc0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <3AE39F53.215EBA67@sanynet.ne.jp> <3AE45889.E6A78826@illusionary.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] help with Roadrunner Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:06:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Just two weeks ago I replaced the modem in my firewall pc with a second nic card to connect to Roadrunner. I used netconfig to setup the card. The only thing I selected was the radio button to use dhcp and then supply the DNS name server addresses that Ed shared RR nameserver addresses 65.32.1.70 65.32.1.80 65.32.1.65 The process active currently is pump-0.7.8-1 which has been working fine. The firewall is a P133 32mb two 3c509 and running RH6.2 with new bind rpm. Larry :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek Glidden Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 12:30 PM > "warrior@sanynet.ne.jp" wrote: > > > > I have a Turbolinux 6.0 Workstation which has been connected to > > Roadrunner and running fine for some time. On a spare partition on the > > same box, I installed Red Hat 7.0. Although I have setup DHCP in > > linuxconf and also have tried to mimic the > > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts files as they are setup in Turbolinux, I > > cannot get Redhat to recognize the Roadrunner network. > > > > I am wondering if there are any special settings that have to be made to > > allow for DHCP used with Roadrunner (is it different from DHCP used on a > > regular LAN), but I don't know where the DHCP config files are. I > > never set anything special on the Turbolinux system; it came up to the > > network automatically. > > My guess is that your TurboLinux box is using 'dhclient', which is the > 'official' ISC DHCP client code, while RedHat uses 'pump', which is a > very streamlined, stripped down DHCP client. I've never gotten 'pump' > to get an address from RoadRunner; I've always had to install > 'dhclient.' Dunno why, and I've heard from a couple other folks who say > they use 'pump' with no trouble, but it's never worked for me, > 'dhclient' always has. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 23 23:25:31 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28237 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:25:31 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28234 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:25:30 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA12953 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14rsaW-0002Kw-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:30:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:30:00 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mount point does not exist - 2 Message-ID: <20010423223000.A8973@quillandmouse.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from gregscmidt@hotmail.com on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 07:47:02PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 07:47:02PM -0400, Greg Scmidt wrote: > > Regarding: > > > > >The third parameter is typically the type of filesystem on that device. > >You've put "supermount" here, but I have never seen anything like that > >before. Normally a CDROM is "iso9660". A regular hard drive would > >usually be something like "ext2". > > > > Me thinks that crusty old salts like Paul don't need no stinking > "supermount". It is supposed to make it easier to handle removable media. > > http://www.geocities.com/alexismikhailov/supermount.html has some info. > "Crusty old salt", eh? I never heard of supermount before until I followed your link. You're right, though. Can't imagine why I'd want to use it. My wife (a reluctant Windows user) rags on me about having to mount and unmount things. But after using automount for a while, I prefer good old mount/fstab. Aye lads, there's the life: cold sea spray, the wind at me back, and Linux on me laptop. Har maties! Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 00:10:56 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28369 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:10:56 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28366 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:10:55 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA13121 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14rtIT-0002Li-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:15:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:15:25 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) Message-ID: <20010423231525.B8990@quillandmouse.com> References: <20010423145326.QMNZ29862.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20010423145326.QMNZ29862.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; from mep_lists_843@att.net on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 02:53:26PM +0000 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 02:53:26PM +0000, mep_lists_843@att.net wrote: > Just wondering if anyone here has already solved these > miscellaneous problems I've been having: > > - Fully qualified hostname: > > My computer is connected to the network either by > a cable modem behind a router/firewall (IP address > is private, i.e. 192.168.*.*), or by ppp (dialup). > > What should I call my machine where a fully > qualified domain name is requested in config files > like /etc/sysconfig/network? I like to call my > machine granite, but something like (for example) > "granite.example.net" is not a correct DNS name for > my machine and I don't want it to show up in email > headers, etc. Should it be "granite.localdomain"?? > Maybe I should use "example.net" just to make > sure it doesn't resolve to someone elses computer > (example.net is reserved by IANA for ... examples). > Call your machine anything you like on your local network. My home machines are rocky, peabody and gumby. My home network is mars (not mars.com). If you're using a dynamic IP and local IP addresses behind the router, you're fine. The internet can't reach these addresses, since they're local. Your MTA (usually sendmail) will masquerade you as anything you want, regardless of what the actual machine names are. But that's only in your message headers. MTAs generate "envelopes" around your emails, and some ISPs (like mine) will not accept anything like mikep@mylocalnet. But I found it impossible to get sendmail to masquerade my envelopes. So I use exim instead, which _will_ simply masquerade envelopes. Sendmail will probably do this, but I just never found out how. You may not have this problem with your ISP. You can fire off a few test emails to check it. > - Samba: I always have trouble getting the initial > connection to my Linux machine when browsing the > network from a windows machine. > > The Linux machine is not visible in the network > neighborhood listing and I get a timeout or > "the network is busy" when trying to browse the > Linux machine. > > If I try again later, it always works. There are > error messages in the logfiles, but I won't post > them here unless someone requests it. > When you reboot your Windows machine, does it require you to log onto the Samba shares that reside on your server? I have samba in set-it-and-forget-it mode. I works, so I don't mess with it. If you like, I can send you my smb.conf. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 00:32:48 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28448 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:32:48 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28445 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:32:48 -0400 Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA13226 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from louise (ip137.tampa7.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.6.137]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3O4WjP146358 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:32:46 -0400 Message-ID: <00da01c0cc77$bcb30fc0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <20010423145326.QMNZ29862.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:36:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From the private network at work (which does not have a .com as part of the domain) I have been using my last name as the domain name at home. You might use: granite.polhamus Be sure to check these files in /etc : hosts HOSTNAME This domain name is not the same as the Win Workgroup name for samba. Do you have samba started as a deamon? or only on demand (that might cause the delay). Mark Polhamus wrote: > - Fully qualified hostname: > My computer is connected to the network either by > a cable modem behind a router/firewall (IP address > is private, i.e. 192.168.*.*), or by ppp (dialup). > What should I call my machine where a fully > qualified domain name is requested in config files > like /etc/sysconfig/network? I like to call my > machine granite, .... > > - Samba: I always have trouble getting the initial > connection to my Linux machine when browsing the > network from a windows machine. > The Linux machine is not visible in the network > neighborhood listing and I get a timeout or > "the network is busy" when trying to browse the > Linux machine. > If I try again later, it always works. There are > error messages in the logfiles, but I won't post > them here unless someone requests it. > > -- Mark Polhamus -- mep_lists_843@att.net From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 03:41:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29055 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:41:59 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29052 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:41:58 -0400 Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id DAA14196 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GTE.gte.net (1Cust213.tnt2.new-port-richey.fl.da.uu.net [63.24.243.213]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id CAA2831552 Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:34:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010424030248.009e40f0@mail.gte.net> X-Sender: GTE/vzn05pmh@mail.gte.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:05:59 -0400 To: slug@nks.net From: "Maureen L. Thomas" Subject: [SLUG] RE: southbridge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks for all the help. There is a BIOS upgrade avail, soooo, I am going to read and re-read the directions, then pray I do it right. Maybe I'll just chicken out and let my friend, the winblows expert, do it. Seth, as for the sound, its in the motherboard and it is SoundBlaster. Funny thing though I had it up and running in Linux and had to download a special patch for winblows. I will keep you posted. Thanks again. I need all the help I can get, Moe From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 10:10:38 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30978 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:10:38 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30975 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:10:38 -0400 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id KAA16215 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-013.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.13]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20286 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 07:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE5892F.DDA1BD74@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:09:51 -0400 From: Frank Roberts X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mount point does not exist - 2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks Greg And thanks to all who have responded about the mounting problem. I was not kidding though about two things. The first and most important being that I utterly hate configuration programs that automatically configure things. My experience is that most of the time these programs do not work all of the time. I have observed that for 2 identical pieces of equipment that automatic configuration programs work fine at times and at other times they fail miserably. This not only applies to Linux but definitely applied to the mini processor controllers I once worked on. This time 2 hard drives 2 completely different configurations for the same piece of equipment. In both setups one part part does not (and not the same part) for identical hardware. Second the only reason for configuring this was to down load the latest system so that my video problems would disappear. My video card is not supported by the older versions of Linux. Having the realization that my time has value maybe not a high value but some value and that making an automatic configuration program work could take months I ordered earlier today the latest version of Red Hat - RH7.1. In the coming weeks I will be installing this on my system and if situation is normal I will probable encounter a number of difficulties. This is normal too. At that point I hope that members of the group will be as kind with their advice as they have been in the past. To conclude I apology for wasting people time with a setup that will not utilized after installation of the new version. Thanks Frank Greg Scmidt wrote: > > Regarding: > > > > >The third parameter is typically the type of filesystem on that device. > >You've put "supermount" here, but I have never seen anything like that > >before. Normally a CDROM is "iso9660". A regular hard drive would > >usually be something like "ext2". > > > > Me thinks that crusty old salts like Paul don't need no stinking > "supermount". It is supposed to make it easier to handle removable media. > > http://www.geocities.com/alexismikhailov/supermount.html has some info. > > I've had problems with supermount. I've usually overcome them by resorting > to the plain old mount and fstab. > > Just an idea. Hope it helps. > > Greg From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 10:16:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31038 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:16:20 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31035 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:16:19 -0400 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id KAA16268 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-013.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.13]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15957 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 07:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE58A85.E2882E0F@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:15:33 -0400 From: Frank Roberts X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en, es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mount point does not exist - 2 References: <20010423223000.A8973@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 07:47:02PM -0400, Greg Scmidt wrote: > > > > > Regarding: > > > > > > > >The third parameter is typically the type of filesystem on that device. > > >You've put "supermount" here, but I have never seen anything like that > > >before. Normally a CDROM is "iso9660". A regular hard drive would > > >usually be something like "ext2". > > > > > > > Me thinks that crusty old salts like Paul don't need no stinking > > "supermount". It is supposed to make it easier to handle removable media. > > > > http://www.geocities.com/alexismikhailov/supermount.html has some info. > > > > "Crusty old salt", eh? > > I never heard of supermount before until I followed your link. You're > right, though. Can't imagine why I'd want to use it. My wife (a > reluctant Windows user) rags on me about having to mount and unmount > things. But after using automount for a while, I prefer good old > mount/fstab. > > Aye lads, there's the life: cold sea spray, the wind at me back, and > Linux on me laptop. Har maties! > > Paul > I am with you there Paul. I have tried it and do not like it. It is one thing to try to remove a disk, realize you for got to unmount it, feel foolish, then unmount it , curse a little and proceed on and it is another thing to have a disk in the cdrom and be unable to remove it because of some auto mount provision and the set there and watch it reformat your hard drive. Thanks but no thanks to this automatic control. Frank From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 11:45:30 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31765 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:45:30 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31762 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:45:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE59F9A.2E2C63DD@illusionary.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:45:30 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) References: <20010423145326.QMNZ29862.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <20010423231525.B8990@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > > > Call your machine anything you like on your local network. My home > machines are rocky, peabody and gumby. My home network is mars (not > mars.com). If you're using a dynamic IP and local IP addresses behind > the router, you're fine. The internet can't reach these addresses, since > they're local. Since its not truly a Top-Level-Domain suffix, most of the people I work with set their home networks to .lan domains. So for instance, my home network is illusionary.lan, which helps keep it logically seperate from the machines that are really internet-routable on my illusionary.com domain. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 13:59:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00419 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:59:55 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00416 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:59:54 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f190.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.190]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id OAA17859 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:43:32 -0700 Received: from 64.132.126.98 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:43:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.132.126.98] From: "Julian Sasse" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Linux Games Interest Survey Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:43:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2001 17:43:32.0251 (UTC) FILETIME=[145C46B0:01C0CCE6] Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If you are at all interested in Linux games, then please take a moment to check out: http://www.circuitvision.com/surveys/loki.html I have created the above survey so that we can systematically gather enough interest (at least 10 per title) in order to get the 50% off and free shipping discount. If people actually use it then I will occasionally post a note to the list here about the current stats for each title. There are some fairly new games on there (like Tribes 2!) as well as older but still good games. Games that are not yet available for Linux but are listed as "coming soon" on the Loki site are towards the end of the list (i.e. Rune, Deus Ex, etc.). BTW I wouldn't mind if this got moved to the suncoastlug.org site, or linked from there, or changed in any way ... just drop me a note! Cheers, --Julian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 16:08:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01343 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:08:49 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01340 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:08:49 -0400 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id QAA18622 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cofa129-173.arts.usf.edu (HELO yahoo.com) (131.247.129.173) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2001 20:08:47 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AE5DCC2.458E345@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:06:26 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Thats it,, I have had it!! References: <3AE43E56.B7F31E59@yahoo.com> <3AE45F48.C69835AB@illusionary.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Derek Glidden wrote: > > http://www.compaq.com/products/software/linux/ > > So, ok, they actually have really really good support for their server > class machines, not so good for desktops, but who buys a Compaq desktop > to run Linux anyway? ;) That's actually what I was reffering to. And maybe not bought to RUN GNU/Linux, but to have bought the machine and then have seen the light? C'mon if I wanted to waste money on a new machine for an upgrade I'd'a bought a Mac. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 16:17:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01440 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:17:18 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01437 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:17:18 -0400 Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id QAA18659 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cofa129-173.arts.usf.edu (HELO yahoo.com) (131.247.129.173) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2001 20:17:16 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AE5DEBD.FC08095C@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:14:53 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Thats it,, I have had it!! References: <3AE43E56.B7F31E59@yahoo.com> <3AE45F48.C69835AB@illusionary.com> <3AE5DCC2.458E345@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > Derek Glidden wrote: > > > > > http://www.compaq.com/products/software/linux/ > > > > So, ok, they actually have really really good support for their server > > class machines, not so good for desktops, but who buys a Compaq desktop > > to run Linux anyway? ;) > > > That's actually what I was reffering to. And maybe not bought to RUN > GNU/Linux, but to have bought the machine and then have seen the light? > C'mon if I wanted to waste money on a new machine for an upgrade I'd'a > bought a Mac. > > Sorry, this sounded alot "nastier" than I intended (intended in good humor). Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 18:41:33 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02332 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:41:33 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02329 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:41:33 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA19585 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14sAdT-0002a3-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:46:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:46:15 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Website Going Down Message-ID: <20010424174615.D9866@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Don't get excited! The host that the SLUG website is on is being upgraded on Friday or Saturday, so it may be down for a while at that time. Just a heads up. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 18:44:41 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02351 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:44:41 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02348 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:44:40 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA19608 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14sAgU-0002aF-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:49:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:49:22 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Games Interest Survey Message-ID: <20010424174922.E9866@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from clientserver@hotmail.com on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 01:43:31PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 01:43:31PM -0400, Julian Sasse wrote: > If you are at all interested in Linux games, then please take a moment to > check out: > http://www.circuitvision.com/surveys/loki.html > > > BTW I wouldn't mind if this got moved to the suncoastlug.org site, or linked > from there, or changed in any way ... just drop me a note! > Outstanding. Very nicely done, and thanks for taking the initiative on this. I'd say keep it where it is for now. Everyone with interest, please check the site out. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 19:04:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02399 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:04:12 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02396 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:04:12 -0400 Received: from server3.safepages.com (server3.safepages.com [216.127.146.5]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA19711 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux (1Cust113.tnt19.clearwater.fl.da.uu.net [63.11.106.113]) by server3.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 06C0E6920 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:58:51 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Games Interest Survey Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:57:30 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042417573000.00252@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You'll probably want to re-do the survey pages to set all the values to 0 by default... one could easily screw up and indicate interest in something they don't care for. Glen On Tuesday 24 April 2001 13:43, you wrote: > If you are at all interested in Linux games, then please take a moment to > check out: > http://www.circuitvision.com/surveys/loki.html > > I have created the above survey so that we can systematically gather enough > interest (at least 10 per title) in order to get the 50% off and free > shipping discount. If people actually use it then I will occasionally post > a note to the list here about the current stats for each title. There are > some fairly new games on there (like Tribes 2!) as well as older but still > good games. Games that are not yet available for Linux but are listed as > "coming soon" on the Loki site are towards the end of the list (i.e. Rune, > Deus Ex, etc.). > > BTW I wouldn't mind if this got moved to the suncoastlug.org site, or > linked from there, or changed in any way ... just drop me a note! > > Cheers, > --Julian > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 19:10:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02429 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:10:12 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02426 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:10:12 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f20.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.20]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA19751 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:09:41 -0700 Received: from 24.28.62.204 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:09:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.28.62.204] From: "jason smith" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] help me please Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 23:09:41 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2001 23:09:41.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[A477C800:01C0CD13] Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ok i hope i replyed to the right place so that anyone and everyone gets this msg if not please forward this msg so all people can see help me out with this problem i am a new linux users and have been having great deals of trouble using ether net and my cable modem i have a hp pavillion and im runnin g SuSE 7.1 for it is the best i have found with options and so forth. i also have mandrake 7.2 the probles i seem to being having its its not recizing my ether net card it gives me a "'the device eth0 is not available at the moment when i have manuly configured the ether net card i will attend the next brandon meeting but i will be unable to bring my machine for it is a large desktop and the moniter is emence if you feel you know a good bit and can help me please email me at fear@jasonsmail.com and we will arange a meeting so you may work on my system or what needs to be done _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 19:31:51 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02512 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:31:51 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02509 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:31:50 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA19852 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14sBQ9-0002bE-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:36:33 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:36:33 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) Message-ID: <20010424183633.C9961@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20010423145326.QMNZ29862.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <20010423231525.B8990@quillandmouse.com> <3AE59F9A.2E2C63DD@illusionary.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AE59F9A.2E2C63DD@illusionary.com>; from dglidden@illusionary.com on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 11:45:30AM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 11:45:30AM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > > > Call your machine anything you like on your local network. My home > > machines are rocky, peabody and gumby. My home network is mars (not > > mars.com). If you're using a dynamic IP and local IP addresses behind > > the router, you're fine. The internet can't reach these addresses, since > > they're local. > > Since its not truly a Top-Level-Domain suffix, most of the people I work > with set their home networks to .lan domains. So for instance, my home > network is illusionary.lan, which helps keep it logically seperate from > the machines that are really internet-routable on my illusionary.com > domain. > This is an excellent suggestion. Heads up-- I'll be using this suggestion in the future. You don't have a software patent on it, do you? ;-} Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 20:56:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02741 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:56:22 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02738 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:56:21 -0400 From: Sammy3759@aol.com Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA20232 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sammy3759@aol.com by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.9.) id 4.4a.14cf563b (16788) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4a.14cf563b.28177a8d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:55:41 EDT Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4a.14cf563b.28177a8d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --part1_4a.14cf563b.28177a8d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my boxes are cleobis and daedalus --part1_4a.14cf563b.28177a8d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my boxes are cleobis and daedalus --part1_4a.14cf563b.28177a8d_boundary-- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 20:58:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02750 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:58:12 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02747 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:58:11 -0400 Received: from MailAndNews.com (MailAndNews.com [199.29.68.123] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA20253 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a105703 [24.26.106.35] (pwgrant@mailandnews.com) by MailAndNews.com; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:57:36 -0400 X-WM-Posted-At: MailAndNews.com; Tue, 24 Apr 01 20:57:36 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c0cd23$05385060$6601a8c0@vacationclub.com> From: "patrick grantham" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] help me please Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:59:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net what kind of nic is in the box? ----- Original Message ----- From: "jason smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 7:09 PM Subject: [SLUG] help me please > ok i hope i replyed to the right place so that anyone and everyone gets this > msg if not please forward this msg so all people can see help me out with > this problem > > i am a new linux users and have been having great deals of trouble using > ether net and my cable modem i have a hp pavillion and im runnin g SuSE 7.1 > for it is the best i have found with options and so forth. i also have > mandrake 7.2 > > the probles i seem to being having its its not recizing my ether net card it > gives me a "'the device eth0 is not available at the moment when i have > manuly configured the ether net card > > i will attend the next brandon meeting but i will be unable to bring my > machine for it is a large desktop and the moniter is emence > > if you feel you know a good bit and can help me please email me at > fear@jasonsmail.com and we will arange a meeting so you may work on my > system or what needs to be done > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 20:58:19 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02755 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:58:19 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02752 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:58:19 -0400 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA20257 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.33.36.97] (tamqfl1-ar1-036-097.elnk.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.36.97]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25504 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104250058.RAA25504@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:58:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> Since its not truly a Top-Level-Domain suffix, most of the people I work >> with set their home networks to .lan domains. So for instance, my home >> network is illusionary.lan, which helps keep it logically seperate from >> the machines that are really internet-routable on my illusionary.com >> domain. >> > >This is an excellent suggestion. Heads up-- I'll be using this >suggestion in the future. You don't have a software patent on it, do >you? ;-} > >Paul > That's the GNU part of Linux. It's either patented for everyone, or no one at all! :-)) Okay, so it's the GPL, but no one calls it GPL/Linux... ;-) Russell ____________________________________________________ _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Tue Apr 24 21:01:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02780 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:01:46 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02777 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:01:46 -0400 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA20276 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.33.36.97] (tamqfl1-ar1-036-097.elnk.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.36.97]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11098 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104250101.SAA11098@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:01:42 -0400 Subject: [SLUG] PPPoe and Lynx From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello everyone! I have a funny problem. I'm connected to the net via DSL through Earthlink, which requires PPPoe. (PPP Over Ethernet) I can access the net just fine using Netscape, or Ping, or whatever. Except for Lynx. Lynx doesn't seem to be able to find anything on the outside net. How odd! Any thoughts on that? Thanks! Russell ____________________________________________________ _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 01:01:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03357 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:01:08 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03354 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:01:08 -0400 Received: from smtp1.quixnet.net (psmtp1.array3.laserlink.net [63.65.123.51] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA21138 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home (24129149hfc50.tampabay.rr.com [24.129.149.50]) by smtp1.quixnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA22873 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 05:01:06 GMT From: "seth" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:02:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0CD23.5E977EB0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <4a.14cf563b.28177a8d@aol.com> Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0CD23.5E977EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >my boxes are cleobis and daedalus Cool! my laptop is Icarus :) Seth ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0CD23.5E977EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
>my boxes are cleobis and = daedalus 
 
 
 
Cool! my laptop is Icarus=20 :)
 
Seth
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0CD23.5E977EB0-- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 01:39:32 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03541 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:39:32 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03538 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:39:32 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA21310 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from y (2492162hfc127.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.162.127]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3P5dUO03781 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008501c0cd4a$144df060$6401a8c0@y> From: "Jim Lange" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] help me please Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:39:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'd try another NIC > > i am a new linux users and have been having great deals of trouble using > ether net and my cable modem i have a hp pavillion and im runnin g SuSE 7.1 > for it is the best i have found with options and so forth. i also have > mandrake 7.2 > > the probles i seem to being having its its not recizing my ether net card it > gives me a "'the device eth0 is not available at the moment when i have > manuly configured the ether net card > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 06:49:40 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04646 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:49:40 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04643 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:49:40 -0400 Received: from web219.mail.yahoo.com (web219.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.119]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id GAA22806 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010425104938.12949.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.84.253.16] by web219.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 03:49:38 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 03:49:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Manchester Subject: Re: [SLUG] PPPoe and Lynx To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200104250101.SAA11098@hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well back when I was using earthlink, before dropping them because they kept dropping me. I had installed PPPoe software from http://www.roaringpenguin.com/pppoe/ It worked OK for me. I just got tired of Earthlink dropping me for now reason about once a week. And I also got tired of the support people not supporting Linux. So everytime I had to check the connetion I had to boot into windows. I went with Rapdisys and a static IP no ppoe and my systems is not rock solid. In the 4 months I've been with Rapidsys I've only been dropped from the network once and it was a problem with the Verizons switch. Stepping down of the soap box. Hope this helps. Mike Manchester --- Russell Hires wrote: > Hello everyone! > > I have a funny problem. I'm connected to the net via > DSL through Earthlink, > which requires PPPoe. (PPP Over Ethernet) > I can access the net just fine using Netscape, or > Ping, or whatever. Except > for Lynx. Lynx doesn't seem to be able to find > anything on the outside net. > How odd! > > Any thoughts on that? > > Thanks! > > Russell > ____________________________________________________ > _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" > _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" ===== --------------------------------- The requirements said "Windows 95/98/NT or better" So I installed Linux --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 09:02:26 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05052 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:02:26 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05049 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:02:26 -0400 Received: from mail.catmktg.com ([198.199.226.43]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA23352 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.catmktg.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:01:56 -0400 Message-ID: <849CC29A6E5BD41196050008C786281B03203ADD@mail.catmktg.com> From: David Walter To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] help with Roadrunner Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:01:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks for everyone's advice. I was able to get PUMP to work with RoadRunner on RH7. I ran netconfig and set it to DHCP. After I closed it, I was able to ping the internet almost immediately. I don't know why Linuxconf didn't work for setting DHCP, but netconfig did the trick. David W. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Sanders [mailto:lsanders@flash.net] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 11:06 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] help with Roadrunner Just two weeks ago I replaced the modem in my firewall pc with a second nic card to connect to Roadrunner. I used netconfig to setup the card. The only thing I selected was the radio button to use dhcp and then supply the DNS name server addresses that Ed shared RR nameserver addresses 65.32.1.70 65.32.1.80 65.32.1.65 The process active currently is pump-0.7.8-1 which has been working fine. The firewall is a P133 32mb two 3c509 and running RH6.2 with new bind rpm. Larry :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek Glidden Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 12:30 PM > "warrior@sanynet.ne.jp" wrote: > > > > I have a Turbolinux 6.0 Workstation which has been connected to > > Roadrunner and running fine for some time. On a spare partition on the > > same box, I installed Red Hat 7.0. Although I have setup DHCP in > > linuxconf and also have tried to mimic the > > /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts files as they are setup in Turbolinux, I > > cannot get Redhat to recognize the Roadrunner network. > > > > I am wondering if there are any special settings that have to be made to > > allow for DHCP used with Roadrunner (is it different from DHCP used on a > > regular LAN), but I don't know where the DHCP config files are. I > > never set anything special on the Turbolinux system; it came up to the > > network automatically. > > My guess is that your TurboLinux box is using 'dhclient', which is the > 'official' ISC DHCP client code, while RedHat uses 'pump', which is a > very streamlined, stripped down DHCP client. I've never gotten 'pump' > to get an address from RoadRunner; I've always had to install > 'dhclient.' Dunno why, and I've heard from a couple other folks who say > they use 'pump' with no trouble, but it's never worked for me, > 'dhclient' always has. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 11:23:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05882 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:23:22 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05879 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:23:21 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE6EBE9.9299737E@illusionary.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:23:21 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Thats it,, I have had it!! References: <3AE43E56.B7F31E59@yahoo.com> <3AE45F48.C69835AB@illusionary.com> <3AE5DCC2.458E345@yahoo.com> <3AE5DEBD.FC08095C@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > > [...] > > That's actually what I was reffering to. And maybe not bought to RUN > > GNU/Linux, but to have bought the machine and then have seen the light? > > C'mon if I wanted to waste money on a new machine for an upgrade I'd'a > > bought a Mac. I've really had a lot of luck with Compaq desktops too. At least the more recent models. I think it all boils down to a) Compaq finally realizing that commodity components are cheaper and better in the long run than trying to build proprietary chips, and b) Linux hackers are finally catching up with all the "old" hardware that's out there and rabidly looking around for new chips to make Linux work with so there's just not much anymore that *doesn't* work under Linux. And my laptop is a Compaq Armada and if it ever dies, I will be extremely unhappy because I managed to buy it used from a friend of mine for way way less than it would have cost new, or even refurbished, and it's one of the nicest laptops for running Linux I've had the pleasure of using. > Sorry, this sounded alot "nastier" than I intended (intended in good > humor). No worries, I didn't feel any "nastiness" emanating from your original message. (He says as he slowly moves his finger away from the big, red button on his desk next to the keyboard labeled "Smite with extreme prejudice"....) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 11:31:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05953 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:31:55 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05950 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:31:54 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE6EDEA.23E02454@illusionary.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:31:54 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) References: <20010423145326.QMNZ29862.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <20010423231525.B8990@quillandmouse.com> <3AE59F9A.2E2C63DD@illusionary.com> <20010424183633.C9961@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 11:45:30AM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > > > Since its not truly a Top-Level-Domain suffix, most of the people I work > > with set their home networks to .lan domains. So for instance, my home > > network is illusionary.lan, which helps keep it logically seperate from > > the machines that are really internet-routable on my illusionary.com > > domain. > > > > This is an excellent suggestion. Heads up-- I'll be using this > suggestion in the future. You don't have a software patent on it, do > you? ;-} Uhh, I'm afraid I'm not authorized to discuss that at this time, however if you would like to work out licensing arrangements in advance, we can talk... ;) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 13:46:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06722 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:46:01 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06719 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:46:00 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f26.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.26]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA25277 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:45:29 -0700 Received: from 198.51.174.14 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:45:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.51.174.14] From: "Steven Johnson" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] $9.99 Linux Games Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:45:29 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2001 17:45:29.0407 (UTC) FILETIME=[849A9CF0:01C0CDAF] Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net EBgames.com has all their Linux games including Soldier of Fortune and Quake 3 for $9.95. Enter linux in the product search. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 17:25:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08264 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:25:18 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08261 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:25:17 -0400 Received: from smtppop2pub.verizon.net (smtppop2pub.gte.net [206.46.170.21]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id RAA26957 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (tamqfl1-ar5-193-137.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.193.137]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id QAA127136799 Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:10:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002801c0cdb1$f13ebce0$89c12904@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Chris Hornbrook" To: Subject: [SLUG] Xwindows Auto Login Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:02:49 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0CDA9.8F0C77E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0CDA9.8F0C77E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like auto start Xwindows without having to type in a user name = and password at the logon screen. 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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0CDA9.8F0C77E0-- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 17:47:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08411 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:47:49 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08408 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:47:49 -0400 Received: from fl-mta01.durocom.com (fl-mta01.durocom.com [216.53.195.242]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id RAA27128 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.111]) by fl-mta01.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010425215401.RDUR9707.fl-mta01@mpinet.net> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:54:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE744DF.6D6DE5D5@mpinet.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:42:55 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19-6.2.1 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xwindows Auto Login References: <002801c0cdb1$f13ebce0$89c12904@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Chris Hornbrook wrote: > > I would like auto start Xwindows without having to type in a user name > and password at the logon screen. Does any one know how to accomplish > this? > > Thanks I don't know exactly why you would want to do that as it is bad security. You could try single user mode. Smitty From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 18:03:33 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08537 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:03:33 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08534 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:03:32 -0400 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA27273 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-013.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.13]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26250 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE74988.963099ED@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:02:48 -0400 From: trunk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdksecure i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Eureka: RCD + RWCD + DHCP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eureka Don't know exactly how I did it but I achieved the goal of internet + read CD + Read Write CD and most marvelous of all - on the correct hard drive. Thanks for the help from all with my previous posts on fstap and mtap. Thanks Frank From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 18:05:51 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08549 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:05:51 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08546 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:05:50 -0400 Received: from smtppop2pub.verizon.net (smtppop2pub.gte.net [206.46.170.21]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA27286 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (tamqfl1-ar5-193-137.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.193.137]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id RAA131608066 Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:02:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007001c0cdb9$4114cd20$89c12904@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Chris Hornbrook" To: References: <002801c0cdb1$f13ebce0$89c12904@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3AE744DF.6D6DE5D5@mpinet.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xwindows Auto Login Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:55:10 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Unique situation. Security is not a issue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smitty" <76543a@mpinet.net> To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xwindows Auto Login > > Chris Hornbrook wrote: > > > > I would like auto start Xwindows without having to type in a user name > > and password at the logon screen. Does any one know how to accomplish > > this? > > > > Thanks > I don't know exactly why you would want to do that as it is bad > security. You could try single user mode. > Smitty > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 18:24:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08756 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:24:05 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08753 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:24:05 -0400 Received: from fl-mta01.durocom.com (fl-mta01.durocom.com [216.53.195.242]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA27449 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpinet.net ([216.53.218.111]) by fl-mta01.durocom.com with ESMTP id <20010425223017.RPUL9707.fl-mta01@mpinet.net> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:30:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE74D5E.340C6A0A@mpinet.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:19:10 -0400 From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net> Organization: Destroy All Spammers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19-6.2.1 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xwindows Auto Login References: <002801c0cdb1$f13ebce0$89c12904@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3AE744DF.6D6DE5D5@mpinet.net> <007001c0cdb9$4114cd20$89c12904@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, then try single user mode. That is your best best. Smitty Chris Hornbrook wrote: > > Unique situation. Security is not a issue. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Smitty" <76543a@mpinet.net> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 8:42 PM > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xwindows Auto Login > > > > Chris Hornbrook wrote: > > > > > > I would like auto start Xwindows without having to type in a user name > > > and password at the logon screen. Does any one know how to accomplish > > > this? > > > > > > Thanks > > I don't know exactly why you would want to do that as it is bad > > security. You could try single user mode. > > Smitty > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 18:45:51 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08848 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:45:51 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08845 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:45:50 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA27574 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([24.92.218.235]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with SMTP id <20010425224549.XPCC294.flmta01@localhost.localdomain> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:45:49 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Anthony To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xwindows Auto Login Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:45:49 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <002801c0cdb1$f13ebce0$89c12904@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3AE744DF.6D6DE5D5@mpinet.net> <007001c0cdb9$4114cd20$89c12904@vz.dsl.genuity.net> In-Reply-To: <007001c0cdb9$4114cd20$89c12904@vz.dsl.genuity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042518454901.01872@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mandrake has an option to do that, and I *think* it uses autologin to do it. The rpm page is here: http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/mandrake//8.0/i586/Mandrake/RPMS//autologin-1.0.0-4mdk.i586.html Hope that helps > > > I would like auto start Xwindows without having to type in a user name > > > and password at the logon screen. Does any one know how to accomplish > > > this? > > > > > > Thanks -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Press any key to continue, or any other key to quit. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 18:49:02 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08891 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:49:02 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08888 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:49:02 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA27599 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dt1d1neb.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.218.235]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3PMn0O01374 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Anthony To: Subject: [SLUG] Mandrake Sound Problems Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:48:55 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042518485502.01872@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I can't get sound to work on my fresh install of Mandrake 8.0. I'm using a SoundBlaster AWE64 sound card (ISA), which has worked just fine in every previous Mandrake version, but in 8.0 it won't. When I run sndconfig, it tells me that "No PnP or PCI sound cards were found in your system. Please select your card type from the following list." So then I pick it out, pick out the right detail stuff and all that, and then it says: The following error occurred running the modprobe program: /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/sound/sb.o.gz: init_module: No such device /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/sound/sb.o.gz: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/sound/sb.o.gz failed /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/sound/sb.o.gz: insmod sound-slot-0 failed And then I hit enter again and it jsut loops back to the "No PnP or PCI......" part. In all the past distributions it detected my card automatically and plays the sound sample with no problems. I also checked /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/kernel/drivers/sound/sb.o.gz and that file is there. HardDrake (Mandrake's hardware configuration tool) recognizes the card, however when I click "Run Configuration Tool" it tells me that "modprobe: Can't locate module isa-pnp" The sound card works just fine in Windows, and worked just fine in 7.2 before I installed 8.0. Does anyone have any idea what's wrong? -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Press any key to continue, or any other key to quit. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 21:08:16 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09196 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:08:16 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09193 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:08:16 -0400 Received: from server3.safepages.com (server3.safepages.com [216.127.146.5]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA28074 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux (1Cust45.tnt2.clearwater.fl.da.uu.net [63.23.190.45]) by server3.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 84F025D16 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 01:04:39 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:03:04 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042520030400.00341@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Groovy.. mine's name is bubbles :) Glen On Wednesday 25 April 2001 01:02, you wrote: > >my boxes are cleobis and daedalus > > Cool! my laptop is Icarus :) > > Seth From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 21:52:31 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09286 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:52:31 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09281 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:52:30 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA28231 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rr (242840hfc191.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.40.191]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3Q1qRO26629 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901c0cdf2$ea168ce0$0401a8c0@rr> From: "Todd" To: References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:47:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mine are Drizzt (older black sony vaio), Catti-brie (the wife's), Montolio, and when i get the file server built it will be Wulfgar. Todd > Groovy.. mine's name is bubbles :) > > Glen > > On Wednesday 25 April 2001 01:02, you wrote: > > >my boxes are cleobis and daedalus > > > > Cool! my laptop is Icarus :) > > > > Seth > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 22:21:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09373 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:21:20 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09370 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:21:20 -0400 Received: from harry.dnsq.org (2416457hfc156.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.57.156]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA28346 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from homer (homer [192.168.1.101]) by harry.dnsq.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA23118 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:21:00 -0400 Message-ID: <005201c0cdf7$52b3b8a0$6501a8c0@homer> From: "A. Harry Harrison" To: References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <000901c0cdf2$ea168ce0$0401a8c0@rr> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:19:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I guess you intellectual types go for the greek mythology and artsy-fartsy stuff... I personally have Homer, Bart, Lisa, Maggie, and Moe.... true Americanism :-) -------------------------------------------------------- A. Harry Harrison ----- Original Message ----- > > > >my boxes are cleobis and daedalus > > > > > > Cool! my laptop is Icarus :) > > > > > > Seth > > > > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Wed Apr 25 23:14:11 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09474 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:14:11 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA09471 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:14:10 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA28526 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.186.184]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with ESMTP id <20010426031407.BJNX294.flmta01@tampabay.rr.com> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:14:07 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE79327.95305DBE@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:16:55 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <000901c0cdf2$ea168ce0$0401a8c0@rr> <005201c0cdf7$52b3b8a0$6501a8c0@homer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Being born and raised in The South I gave my workstation the honorable name often bestowed on an older beloved brother by a young child -- Bubba. Ed. "A. Harry Harrison" wrote: > > I guess you intellectual types go for the greek mythology and artsy-fartsy > stuff... I personally have Homer, Bart, Lisa, Maggie, and Moe.... true > Americanism :-) > -------------------------------------------------------- > A. Harry Harrison > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >my boxes are cleobis and daedalus > > > > > > > > Cool! my laptop is Icarus :) > > > > > > > > Seth > > > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 05:55:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11144 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 05:55:55 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11141 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 05:55:55 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id GAA00788 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 06:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (24129177hfc02.tampabay.rr.com [24.129.177.2]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3Q9tsv00470 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 05:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AE7F06E.C9B9EA92@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 05:54:54 -0400 From: Anita X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <000901c0cdf2$ea168ce0$0401a8c0@rr> <005201c0cdf7$52b3b8a0$6501a8c0@homer> <3AE79327.95305DBE@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ed Centanni wrote: > Being born and raised in The South I gave my workstation the honorable > name often bestowed on an older beloved brother by a young child -- > Bubba. > > Ed. > Gee, then I guess I'm really original by calling my box Lennie, after a character on "Law & Order".....sheesh! Anita From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 09:23:38 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11743 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:23:38 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11740 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:23:38 -0400 Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA01566 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.29]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09893 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 06:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE7E8EF.57ADF976@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 05:22:55 -0400 From: Frank Roberts - SOLT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Participations References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Without starting a war what is the list's current thinking on participations. Currently I have this machine divided into 3 participations: Boot participation = Set by default (i.e. I forgot the exact size but it was around 1 MB) Swap = 64 MB Main participation = = 45 GB I am considering changing this to either 4 or 5 participations for my next installation. Added participation would be: /usr = 5GB /home = 40GB Thanks Frank From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 10:11:21 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12012 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:11:21 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12009 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:11:21 -0400 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id KAA01855 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc03.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.3) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 14:11:19 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AE82BB9.41669F2C@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:07:53 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xwindows Auto Login References: <002801c0cdb1$f13ebce0$89c12904@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Chris Hornbrook wrote: > > I would like auto start Xwindows without having to type in a user name > and password at the logon screen. Does any one know how to accomplish > this? > > Thanks If you have KDE2 or greater (I have 2.1.1), then you have a rather EASY way of doing this. Go to the control-center, then to "system" then to the "Login.." something or other (there's only 4 categories, so not very hard to find. It's Login Manager, I think). Go through the tabs (up at the top) and at the last tab you'll have the "convenience" options. There you'll have the options to have passwordless logins for certain users or completely automatic logins for users. NOTE: I'm not sure that if you do that, if it'll bring you straight into KDE or to the GUI you choose (I use GNOME with Enlightenment), so you'll hve to be your own guinea pig for this one. Hope this helps. Oh yeah, remember you have to be root to do all this. YOu can't handle Login options from a regular user mode. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 10:45:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12450 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:45:00 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12444 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:45:00 -0400 Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id KAA02138 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc03.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.3) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 14:44:58 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AE83391.BEE16C9C@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:41:21 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] X and videogames in full screem mode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey all, with all this talk about videogames as of late, I've decided that this little annoying problem has gone on long enough for me. Here's the deal: On my laptop, whenever I'm running X and decide to play a videogame that runs on X full screen (ie. S.M. Alpha Centauri, Pingus) the screen goes into some sort of hairy convulsion and splits the image in thirds (vertically). The left side and the right sides are fine, but the center third becomes a half mirror for the far left of the screen and a "see through" image, to the Desktop. This doesn't happen when I play Quake (SVGA mode), so I maybe it has something to do with my XF86 screen size setings, perhaps (1400x1050)? I'm not sure. I'm running an ATI Mobility M4. Thanks for any help. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 11:05:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12590 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:05:57 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12587 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:05:56 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f259.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.134]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA02268 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:05:25 -0700 Received: from 4.34.240.249 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:05:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.34.240.249] From: "Michael Major" To: slug@nks.net Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:05:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2001 15:05:25.0615 (UTC) FILETIME=[52B5FFF0:01C0CE62] Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am having a bit of difficulty getting SAMBA set up on my network!! I have been reading everything that can on the subject and following the instructions that are given in the manuals...but to no avail!! So I thought that I would toss it out to the user group and see if you can provide some insight. I have set up a network at my home that consists of a Dell desktop with Red Hat 7.0 which I am trying to network with my laptop which is a Sager NP2260V running WIN2000Pro. I am using a Linksys EtherFast Cable/DSL Router model BEFSR41, (the one with the 4 node HUB built into the unit...I would like to eventually hook the network up to the internet when I know a bit more about security!) I have the SAMBA RPM installed on the Red Hat machine and have been using SWAT to do my configuration file. So far I have not been able to get the WIN2000Pro to see the Linux machine!! I have tried using Network Places as well as Mapping the IP address as a drive...nothing seems to work!! I have been able to ping both machines with NO problems!! The router IP is 192.168.1.1 The Win2000Pro laptop is 192.168.1.100 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 And the Red Hat machine is 192.168.1.101 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 I don't have the version of SAMBA in front of me since the computer is at home, (I believe that it is 2.0.7)...but I can get that info if it will be helpful... As I understand it the DNS server should be the router IP address...(??) I have a login set up on the Linux machine with the Win2000Pro login info... What about the SAMBA Password file...I have set that up with SWAT. But I cannot seem to get a list of my users on the SWAT page...perhaps I am doing something wrong with regards to the password... I have tried encrypted passwords...as well as plain text passwords... I'm just missing something!!!!! I am using SAMS Teach Yourself SAMBA in 24 Hours as well as Red Hat Linux Bible as references... It all seems so easy when I read it...but it doesn't seem to work!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks in advance for your help... Dr. Michael Major www.major-chiro.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 11:29:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12874 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:29:05 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12871 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:29:04 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE83EC0.D313D464@illusionary.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:29:04 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <3AE7E8EF.57ADF976@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Frank Roberts - SOLT wrote: > > Without starting a war what is the list's current thinking on > participations. I think I'm very confused unless you mean "partition" ... ? :) > Currently I have this machine divided into 3 participations: > Boot participation = Set by default (i.e. I forgot the exact size but > it was around 1 MB) > Swap = 64 MB > Main participation = = 45 GB > > I am considering changing this to either 4 or 5 participations for my > next installation. > > Added participation would be: > /usr = 5GB > /home = 40GB Here's how I usually set them up: partition size / 256MB swap (2x RAM size) /var 512MB /usr 2-4GB /home 100MB (because even at home everything lives on the server) /opt remainder (yes, I'm an "/opt" person...) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 11:32:34 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12893 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:32:34 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12890 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:32:34 -0400 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id LAA02516 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8946 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2001 15:32:29 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 15:32:29 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([64.182.194.58]) by stewartsigns.com ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:32:20 -0500 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] RE: Samba setup Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:31:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Michael, I just finished getting Samba up and running on our office network. I also read and followed the Sams 24 hour instructions. Have you run testparm to check your smb.conf file? did you do all the diagnostics that the book referenced? If you have and you did not get any errors, can you post your smb.conf so I cn look at it? Or sent it ot me offline. We can go from there. Michael C. Rock > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Michael Major > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 11:05 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: > > > I am having a bit of difficulty getting SAMBA set up on my > network!! I have > been reading everything that can on the subject and following the > instructions that are given in the manuals...but to no avail!! > So I thought > that I would toss it out to the user group and see if you can > provide some > insight. > > I have set up a network at my home that consists of a Dell > desktop with Red > Hat 7.0 which I am trying to network with my laptop which is a > Sager NP2260V > running WIN2000Pro. > I am using a Linksys EtherFast Cable/DSL Router model BEFSR41, > (the one with > the 4 node HUB built into the unit...I would like to eventually hook the > network up to the internet when I know a bit more about security!) > I have the SAMBA RPM installed on the Red Hat machine and have been using > SWAT to do my configuration file. So far I have not been able to get the > WIN2000Pro to see the Linux machine!! I have tried using Network > Places as > well as Mapping the IP address as a drive...nothing seems to work!! > > I have been able to ping both machines with NO problems!! > > The router IP is 192.168.1.1 > The Win2000Pro laptop is 192.168.1.100 > Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 > And the Red Hat machine is 192.168.1.101 > Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 > I don't have the version of SAMBA in front of me since the computer is at > home, (I believe that it is 2.0.7)...but I can get that info if > it will be > helpful... > > As I understand it the DNS server should be the router IP address...(??) > > I have a login set up on the Linux machine with the Win2000Pro > login info... > What about the SAMBA Password file...I have set that up with SWAT. But I > cannot seem to get a list of my users on the SWAT page...perhaps > I am doing > something wrong with regards to the password... > I have tried encrypted passwords...as well as plain text passwords... > > I'm just missing something!!!!! > > I am using SAMS Teach Yourself SAMBA in 24 Hours as well as Red Hat Linux > Bible as references... > > It all seems so easy when I read it...but it doesn't seem to > work!!!!!!!!!!! > > Thanks in advance for your help... > > Dr. Michael Major > www.major-chiro.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 11:47:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13109 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:47:20 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13106 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:47:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE84308.EE9C0DC4@illusionary.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:47:20 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] X and videogames in full screem mode References: <3AE83391.BEE16C9C@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > (SVGA mode), so I maybe it has something to do with my XF86 screen size > setings, perhaps (1400x1050)? I'm not sure. I'm running an ATI Mobility > M4. Make sure you're using the _absolute latest_ version of XFree86 v4. Maybe even get and build it from CVS. Rage Mobility chipset support is very new and probably still has some bugs to be worked out. If you're using an older version of XFree86 v4, or XFree86 v3, you will have problems and there's not a lot you can do about it. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 11:59:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13205 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:59:59 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13202 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:59:58 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f150.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.150]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA02699 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:59:27 -0700 Received: from 64.132.126.98 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:59:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.132.126.98] From: "Julian Sasse" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Linux Games Survey Results 1 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:59:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2001 15:59:27.0829 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF389850:01C0CE69] Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Here are the results so far from the Linux Games Interest Survey at http://www.circuitvision.com/surveys/loki.html ( 8) - Quake III Arena ( 7) - Tribes 2 (new!) ( 5) - Descent 3 ( 5) - Heavy Gear II ( 4) - Rune (coming soon) ( 4) - Eric's Ultimate Solitaire ( 4) - SimCity 3000 ( 3) - Deus Ex (coming soon) ( 3) - Soldier of Fortune ( 2) - Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K.2 (coming soon) ( 2) - Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri + Expansion (new!) ( 2) - Civilization: Call to Power ( 2) - Heroes of Might and Magic III ( 2) - Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns (coming soon) ( 1) - MindRover (coming soon) ( 1) - Railroad Tycoon II ------------------------------------------------------- ( 55) - TOTAL (Results include 2 anonymous submissions) Basically, we only need 2 more people interested in Quake III Arena to order that at 50% off and free shipping, or 3 more people to order Tribes 2. The other titles have a little more to go. If you know of any friends or co-workers that might be interested, please pass on the URL to the survey: http://www.circuitvision.com/surveys/loki.html Cheers, --Julian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 12:08:06 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13266 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:08:06 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13263 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:08:06 -0400 Received: from dcomptech.com (server34.aitcom.net [208.234.0.51]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA02768 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HARRY1 (02-079.033.popsite.net [216.3.182.79]) by dcomptech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA02563 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:08:03 -0400 Message-ID: <004301c0ce6b$dbbb94a0$0200a8c0@artneedle.com> From: "A. Harry Harrison" To: References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <3AE7E8EF.57ADF976@earthlink.net> <3AE83EC0.D313D464@illusionary.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:13:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Is there some advantage to partioning a drive in this way? I get asked this all the time, and really don't understand it. I understand boot and swap, and/or partitoins of different types but what I don't understand are multiple partions of the same type (ie four ext2 partions of various sizes) I understand having seperate mount points for different subsystems (ie the /home directory may be on a different drive or even different machine, etc) but is there an advantage to having a /home directory mounted on a seperate partition on the same physical drive? Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Glidden" To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations > Here's how I usually set them up: > > partition size > / 256MB > swap (2x RAM size) > /var 512MB > /usr 2-4GB > /home 100MB (because even at home everything lives on the server) > /opt remainder (yes, I'm an "/opt" person...) 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------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0CE4C.37E0F560-- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 13:20:23 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13673 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:20:23 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13670 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:20:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE858D6.9539C167@illusionary.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:20:22 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <3AE7E8EF.57ADF976@earthlink.net> <3AE83EC0.D313D464@illusionary.com> <004301c0ce6b$dbbb94a0$0200a8c0@artneedle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net "A. Harry Harrison" wrote: > > Is there some advantage to partioning a drive in this way? I get asked this > all the time, and really don't understand it. I understand boot and swap, > and/or partitoins of different types but what I don't understand are > multiple partions of the same type (ie four ext2 partions of various sizes) > > I understand having seperate mount points for different subsystems (ie the > /home directory may be on a different drive or even different machine, etc) > but is there an advantage to having a /home directory mounted on a seperate > partition on the same physical drive? Many advantages. Take a deep breath and get ready to listen to experience my son... :) Having several partitions rather than one big one can vastly reduce mount time, and therefore time before the machine comes up and becomes usable. On some of our servers with 80GB+ partitions, it is a fairly noticable amount of time that the machine takes to mount a partition. If we had one of our huge file servers with 360GB all in one partition, and the machine needed to go into maintenaince mode, it could take quite some time (a couple minutes even) to reboot the machine and mount just the root partition (since it's just one partition) just to be able to go to single-user mode. It assists in ease of maintenance. Tools like "dump" and "restore" work at the filesystem, or partition level. If you have a single 80GB partition for everything, but all you want to "dump" is /home, you're SOL. Or, like you say, sometimes you can have partitions on mutiple drives. Let's say you have a single 60GB drive in your mail server. Your /var partition fills up. You can "dump" and "restore" that partition onto a new drive. (Yes you can do this with a single partition too, but it's not as easy to manage the data for a single subdirectory as it is a whole partition.) Related to ease-of-maintenance, it keeps things "logically" separated. It's easy for me as a sysadmin to log into a box and do "df -k" or "mount" and see where everything is and how much space is left. I *hate hate hate* logging into a box and doing "df -k" and seeing something like this: Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 9473132207 67547086 484878295 38% / Imagine the power going out, or the power cable getting knocked out of the wall, or for some reason your machine going down suddenly and unexpectedly. It's much better if just your "/usr" or "/home" partitions get munged up and have to be repaired than if you have one single partition and the whole thing needs to be repaired. This is something that just has to be experienced to be understood. (Like not doing regular backups.) The first time your machine goes down unexpectedly and your one great honking partition comes up during fsck with "/: Unexpected inconsistency, please run fsck manually" is one of the worst days of your life if there's something on there you absolutely cannot lose. However, if it says "/usr: Unexpected inconsistency, please run fsck manually" you say "fsck this", mount /home, copy the files you need onto another machine or onto tape or something, rebuild the machine, restore /home and you're back in business. (We have an automated installer that can reinstall a machine in about 5 minutes, so this is by far more efficient for us than trying to fix a corrupted filesystem.) The biggest advantage is with fsck times if your machine goes down unexpectedly, even if there are no problems with the filesystems. On all our machines we make /opt, which is always the largest partition, a reiserfs or some other journaling filesystem which alleviates this problem. But if you're not using journaled filesystems, ext2 is slow slow slow at doing fscks on big partitions with lots of files. If you ever get the chance, e2fsck a 60GB ext2 filesystem. It's not fun. It can easily take an hour or more depending on the number of files on it. Now take the same example of one of our 300GB+ fileservers and imagine fsck'ing one of those partitions. If that machine goes down unexpectedly, even for a power burp, it can be hours before it's available again if it has to fsck. Having multiple partitions reduces the amount of time to fsck the "system-critical" partitions such as "/", "/var" and "/usr" and leaves us with a great honking big partition that we can either check at our leisure once the machine is up, or like we do, make sure the great honking partition is using a journaled filesystem and not have to worry about kernel patches to make sure the system can boot off of a non-ext2 filesystem. Related, if you take it a step further and add an "/etc" partition, (or put your /etc in a ramdrive or something) you can get to the point where you can mount your / and /usr partitions read-only, which is another big advantage if your have power outages for any reason because read-only mounted partitions never need to be fsck'ed after an unexpected reboot. It also helps for security if files in / and /usr are not writable since most script-kiddie scripts don't include "mount -o remount,rw /" type things in them and assume they'll be able to write to the files they want to without fiddling with mounts. So there you have it. Many reasons why people who have to do a lot of sysadmining don't like one great big honking partition. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek Glidden" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations > > > Here's how I usually set them up: > > > > partition size > > / 256MB > > swap (2x RAM size) > > /var 512MB > > /usr 2-4GB > > /home 100MB (because even at home everything lives on the server) > > /opt remainder (yes, I'm an "/opt" person...) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 13:42:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13775 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:42:42 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13772 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:42:41 -0400 Received: from dcomptech.com (server34.aitcom.net [208.234.0.51]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA03399 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HARRY1 (02-079.033.popsite.net [216.3.182.79]) by dcomptech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA07468 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:42:38 -0400 Message-ID: <006101c0ce79$126ef480$0200a8c0@artneedle.com> From: "A. Harry Harrison" To: References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <3AE7E8EF.57ADF976@earthlink.net> <3AE83EC0.D313D464@illusionary.com> <004301c0ce6b$dbbb94a0$0200a8c0@artneedle.com> <3AE858D6.9539C167@illusionary.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partitions Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:48:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net OK, we'll at least I can say I understand it now :-) , but when dealing with small installations, on 4-10G drives, it is not as necessary as the cases you make for larger installations. Thanks for the reply! Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Glidden" To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations > Many advantages. Take a deep breath and get ready to listen to > experience my son... :) > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 14:25:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14143 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:25:18 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14140 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:25:18 -0400 Received: from web213.mail.yahoo.com (web213.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.113]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id OAA03744 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3931 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2001 18:25:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20010426182515.3930.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.84.253.16] by web213.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:25:15 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:25:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Manchester Subject: [SLUG] Mandrake or RedHat To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <006101c0ce79$126ef480$0200a8c0@artneedle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I've been using RedHat up to version 7.0 for a number of years and was wondering how much like RedHat Mandrake is ? It says on their page that it supports RPMS. What about configuration files and filesystem? Is it just like RedHat. ===== --------------------------------- The requirements said "Windows 95/98/NT or better" So I installed Linux --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 15:07:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14412 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:07:59 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14409 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:07:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE8720F.D4796385@illusionary.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:07:59 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partitions References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <3AE7E8EF.57ADF976@earthlink.net> <3AE83EC0.D313D464@illusionary.com> <004301c0ce6b$dbbb94a0$0200a8c0@artneedle.com> <3AE858D6.9539C167@illusionary.com> <006101c0ce79$126ef480$0200a8c0@artneedle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net "A. Harry Harrison" wrote: > > OK, we'll at least I can say I understand it now :-) , but when dealing with > small installations, on 4-10G drives, it is not as necessary as the cases > you make for larger installations. Not as necessary for certain aspects, but I would personally still feel much more comfortable knowing my /usr or /var could get hosed without affecting /home. > Thanks for the reply! Just preachin' the word, m'man. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 15:46:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14667 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:46:46 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14664 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:46:46 -0400 From: guinness@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id PAA04220 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3QJkYv14855 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200104261946.f3QJkYv14855@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:46:35 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net named mine Valen do not use the other enough to name. Sean From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 16:07:39 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14831 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:07:39 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14828 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:07:39 -0400 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id QAA04376 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cofa129-173.arts.usf.edu (HELO yahoo.com) (131.247.129.173) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 20:07:37 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AE87FA2.B97F8505@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:05:54 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake or RedHat References: <20010426182515.3930.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Michael Manchester wrote: > > I've been using RedHat up to version 7.0 for a number > of years and was wondering how much like RedHat > Mandrake is ? It says on their page that it supports > RPMS. What about configuration files and filesystem? > Is it just like RedHat. Here's the deal: It's 90% like Red Hat (give or take a few points). I mean, the placement of the configuration files is generally the same, which is what I guess you'd want (stuff is still placed in /usr/local/ as opposed to, say, SuSE which places things in /opt (usually really big programs like KDE or Bloatscape Communicator), and the config scripts are in the same place for stuff like XF86). In fact, it used to be that Mandrake was nothing more than Red Hat with a pretty dress (read - Mandrake 6.1, ancient). Now, note that the last version of Drake I used was 7.1 (7.2 was a personal dissaster and I've only used Red Hat and SuSE since), so my info IS probably a bit out of date. However, the differences between RH and Drake are mainly things like boot loaders (Drake, I believe, defaults to GRUB, but I'm unsure), and the actual File System (you can choose to go with ReiserFS or ext2 or both, though I think the new Drake also has support for ext3. RH is ext2 only, unless 7.1 offers something else). Other than that, the base setup is pretty simmilar. Well, except for the install. Moral of the story: You'll have to get used to some things, but not much. Drake and RH are pretty similar in most ways. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 16:12:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14871 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:12:58 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14868 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:12:58 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE8814A.7199E3A@illusionary.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:12:58 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <000901c0cdf2$ea168ce0$0401a8c0@rr> <005201c0cdf7$52b3b8a0$6501a8c0@homer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I had a little lab network set up for a while with systems named Byron, Carrera, Darrian, Jameson, Jeremy, Holmes and Lords. Believe it or not, nobody ever got the reference without my having to explain it. (And just for posterity, it all started when the machine to become Holmes was so named because the only power cord I could find for it at the time was an unusually long 12-foot cord. The rest just kind'a followed.) "A. Harry Harrison" wrote: > > I guess you intellectual types go for the greek mythology and artsy-fartsy > stuff... I personally have Homer, Bart, Lisa, Maggie, and Moe.... true > Americanism :-) > -------------------------------------------------------- > A. Harry Harrison > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >my boxes are cleobis and daedalus > > > > > > > > Cool! my laptop is Icarus :) > > > > > > > > Seth -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 16:37:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15018 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:37:47 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15015 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:37:46 -0400 Received: from web221.mail.yahoo.com (web221.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.121]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id QAA04554 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010426203744.81537.qmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.84.253.16] by web221.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:37:44 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:37:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Manchester Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake or RedHat To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3AE87FA2.B97F8505@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks Norb, That's what I was looking for. Mike Manchester --- Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Michael Manchester wrote: > > > > I've been using RedHat up to version 7.0 for a > number > > of years and was wondering how much like RedHat > > Mandrake is ? It says on their page that it > supports > > RPMS. What about configuration files and > filesystem? > > Is it just like RedHat. > > > Here's the deal: It's 90% like Red Hat (give or take > a few points). I > mean, the placement of the configuration files is > generally the same, > which is what I guess you'd want (stuff is still > placed in /usr/local/ > as opposed to, say, SuSE which places things in /opt > (usually really big > programs like KDE or Bloatscape Communicator), and > the config scripts > are in the same place for stuff like XF86). In fact, > it used to be that > Mandrake was nothing more than Red Hat with a pretty > dress (read - > Mandrake 6.1, ancient). Now, note that the last > version of Drake I used > was 7.1 (7.2 was a personal dissaster and I've only > used Red Hat and > SuSE since), so my info IS probably a bit out of > date. However, the > differences between RH and Drake are mainly things > like boot loaders > (Drake, I believe, defaults to GRUB, but I'm > unsure), and the actual > File System (you can choose to go with ReiserFS or > ext2 or both, though > I think the new Drake also has support for ext3. RH > is ext2 only, unless > 7.1 offers something else). Other than that, the > base setup is pretty > simmilar. Well, except for the install. > > Moral of the story: You'll have to get used to some > things, but not > much. Drake and RH are pretty similar in most ways. > > Norb > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ===== --------------------------------- The requirements said "Windows 95/98/NT or better" So I installed Linux --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 17:13:45 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15260 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:13:45 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15257 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:13:44 -0400 Received: from ba.tzo.com (IDENT:postfix@653229hfc61.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.29.61]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id RAA04810 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BALaptop (p40-148.tnt1.ij.net [209.4.40.148]) by ba.tzo.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C017B3B49F for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <029c01c0ce95$c4ed2a20$78821fac@BALaptop> From: "Brian S. Armstrong" To: References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <000901c0cdf2$ea168ce0$0401a8c0@rr> <005201c0cdf7$52b3b8a0$6501a8c0@homer> <3AE8814A.7199E3A@illusionary.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:13:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I've been using the caliber of firearms that I own to name my machines, 9mm, 380auto, 357mag... I'm waiting to build the mega-powerhouse machine so I can use 12gauge. -BA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Glidden" To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) > > I had a little lab network set up for a while with systems named Byron, > Carrera, Darrian, Jameson, Jeremy, Holmes and Lords. Believe it or not, > nobody ever got the reference without my having to explain it. > > (And just for posterity, it all started when the machine to become > Holmes was so named because the only power cord I could find for it at > the time was an unusually long 12-foot cord. The rest just kind'a > followed.) > > "A. Harry Harrison" wrote: > > > > I guess you intellectual types go for the greek mythology and artsy-fartsy > > stuff... I personally have Homer, Bart, Lisa, Maggie, and Moe.... true > > Americanism :-) > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > A. Harry Harrison > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >my boxes are cleobis and daedalus > > > > > > > > > > Cool! my laptop is Icarus :) > > > > > > > > > > Seth > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 18:18:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15710 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:18:49 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15707 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:18:49 -0400 Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA05266 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.29]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00210 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE8665E.F9B771D0@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:18:06 -0400 From: Frank Roberts - SOLT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake or RedHat References: <20010426182515.3930.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> <3AE87FA2.B97F8505@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > Michael Manchester wrote: > > > > I've been using RedHat up to version 7.0 for a number > > of years and was wondering how much like RedHat > > Mandrake is ? It says on their page that it supports > > RPMS. What about configuration files and filesystem? > > Is it just like RedHat. > > Here's the deal: It's 90% like Red Hat (give or take a few points). I > mean, the placement of the configuration files is generally the same, > which is what I guess you'd want (stuff is still placed in /usr/local/ > as opposed to, say, SuSE which places things in /opt (usually really big > programs like KDE or Bloatscape Communicator), and the config scripts > are in the same place for stuff like XF86). In fact, it used to be that > Mandrake was nothing more than Red Hat with a pretty dress (read - > Mandrake 6.1, ancient). Now, note that the last version of Drake I used > was 7.1 (7.2 was a personal dissaster and I've only used Red Hat and > SuSE since), so my info IS probably a bit out of date. However, the > differences between RH and Drake are mainly things like boot loaders > (Drake, I believe, defaults to GRUB, but I'm unsure), and the actual > File System (you can choose to go with ReiserFS or ext2 or both, though > I think the new Drake also has support for ext3. RH is ext2 only, unless > 7.1 offers something else). Other than that, the base setup is pretty > simmilar. Well, except for the install. > > Moral of the story: You'll have to get used to some things, but not > much. Drake and RH are pretty similar in most ways. > > Norb As I see it there is a good bit of difference in one aspect. Mandrake seems to be aimed more at the individual user while Red Hat appears to be aimed more at the corporate user. IBM is a big owner/investor in Red Hat so this distinction is understandable. At the current time this does not appear to effect the operation of either distribution but I would not bet on that as time passes. I am using Mandrake 7.1 to write this and I have RH 6.1 in another machine. Shortly in the next week or so RH 7.2 will be installed on this machine. I would have used Mandrake 8.0 but currently it is only available by download. Frank From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 18:32:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15792 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:32:18 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15789 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:32:17 -0400 Received: from web210.mail.yahoo.com (web210.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.110]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id SAA05370 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15301 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2001 22:32:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20010426223215.15300.qmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.84.253.16] by web210.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:32:15 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:32:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Manchester Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake or RedHat To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3AE8665E.F9B771D0@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Frank; Is there a new version of RH coming out? I just downloaded the 7.1 disks and was getting ready to install them, but if there is a 7.2 coming out I think I'll wait. Mike Manchester --- Frank Roberts - SOLT > I am using Mandrake 7.1 to write this and I have RH > 6.1 in another > machine. Shortly in the next week or so RH 7.2 will > be installed on this > machine. I would have used Mandrake 8.0 but > currently it is only > available by download. > > Frank > > ===== --------------------------------- The requirements said "Windows 95/98/NT or better" So I installed Linux --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 18:48:14 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15853 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:48:14 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15850 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:48:14 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA05455 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14sthX-0003FC-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:53:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:53:27 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations Message-ID: <20010426175327.A12468@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <3AE7E8EF.57ADF976@earthlink.net> <3AE83EC0.D313D464@illusionary.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AE83EC0.D313D464@illusionary.com>; from dglidden@illusionary.com on Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 11:29:04AM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 11:29:04AM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > Here's how I usually set them up: > > partition size > / 256MB > swap (2x RAM size) > /var 512MB > /usr 2-4GB > /home 100MB (because even at home everything lives on the server) > /opt remainder (yes, I'm an "/opt" person...) Opt is suggested by the FHS, so you can't really argue with it. How do you set up these partitions? As in primary, secondary, etc.? Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 18:52:34 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15905 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:52:34 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15902 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:52:34 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA05501 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14stlj-0003FJ-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:57:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:57:47 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Polo Shirt update Message-ID: <20010426175747.A12476@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Polo shirts are now on order. We needed to order in lots of 12, and there were 40 orders, so I ordered an extra 8 in various (popular) sizes and colors. Shirts should be ready in a couple of weeks. If you haven't sent your money, do so. I have only received maybe a quarter of the money needed. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 19:01:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15949 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:01:08 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15946 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:01:08 -0400 Received: from meowtown.com (mail7.burlee.com [199.93.70.138]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA05541 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:03:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200104261903.AA1119879400@meowtown.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "John Grealish" To: Subject: [SLUG] Webmin X-Mailer: Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I've be sitting back taking in some of the SLUG feedback on "Samba frustration." It seems that the responses are near to addressing my problems but I'm having trouble relating the information to the Webmin configuration tool. Has anybody had any experience setting up Samba or Apache with Webmin? I'm trying to get my Network Neighborhood/win98 box to see my Linux Samba server shares n visa versa. I won't even start on Apache till I can figure this one out. But, any info on either subject and Webmin is appreciated. Thanks in advance! John Grealish From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 19:02:32 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15963 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:02:32 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15960 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:02:32 -0400 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA05557 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.29]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07623 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE8709E.E8018EC5@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:01:50 -0400 From: Frank Roberts - SOLT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <3AE7E8EF.57ADF976@earthlink.net> <3AE83EC0.D313D464@illusionary.com> <20010426175327.A12468@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 11:29:04AM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > Here's how I usually set them up: > > > > partition size > > / 256MB > > swap (2x RAM size) > > /var 512MB > > /usr 2-4GB > > /home 100MB (because even at home everything lives on the server) > > /opt remainder (yes, I'm an "/opt" person...) > > Opt is suggested by the FHS, so you can't really argue with it. > > How do you set up these partitions? As in primary, secondary, etc.? > > Paul I second that and thanks Paul. Part of the above eludes me a wee bit. Which is your boot participation? Why is /var so much less than /usr? Approximately what size is /opt? If /opt is over 4 GB and this HD is larger than 10 GB for example a 40 GB drive would it not be better to put the remainder in /home. THat is of course assuming that you are not storing data on a server but have a stand alone machine. Thank Frank From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 19:07:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15979 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:07:12 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15976 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:07:12 -0400 Received: from asmodean.nks.net (asmodean.nks.net [216.139.201.16]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA05568 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by asmodean.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21460 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:06:41 -0400 Received: from Chris (tamqfl1-ar5-193-137.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.193.137]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id SAA4545358 Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:01:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001901c0ce8b$e15cb860$89c12904@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Chris" To: References: <002801c0cdb1$f13ebce0$89c12904@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <3AE744DF.6D6DE5D5@mpinet.net> <007001c0cdb9$4114cd20$89c12904@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <01042518454901.01872@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xwindows Auto Login Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:02:53 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The RPM Anthony recommended worked great. Thanks for the input. I'll give Norb's suggestion a try also. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xwindows Auto Login > Mandrake has an option to do that, and I *think* it uses autologin to do it. > The rpm page is here: > http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/mandrake//8.0/i586/Mandrake/RPMS//autologin-1.0 .0-4mdk.i586.html > > Hope that helps > > > > > I would like auto start Xwindows without having to type in a user name > > > > and password at the logon screen. Does any one know how to accomplish > > > > this? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > -- > Anthony > http://binaryfusion.net > Press any key to continue, or any other key to quit. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 19:07:32 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15989 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:07:32 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15986 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:07:32 -0400 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA05574 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.29]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24326 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE8717A.1D447966@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:05:30 -0400 From: Frank Roberts - SOLT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake or RedHat References: <20010426223215.15300.qmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Excuse the typing error. Red Hat 7.1 was officially placed on sale Monday 23 April 2001. Red Hat 7.2 will be out some time in 6 month or so maybe. My apologies Frank Michael Manchester wrote: > > Frank; > Is there a new version of RH coming out? I just > downloaded the 7.1 disks and was getting ready to > install them, but if there is a 7.2 coming out I think > I'll wait. > > Mike Manchester > > --- Frank Roberts - SOLT > > I am using Mandrake 7.1 to write this and I have RH > > 6.1 in another > > machine. Shortly in the next week or so RH 7.2 will > > be installed on this > > machine. I would have used Mandrake 8.0 but > > currently it is only > > available by download. > > > > Frank > > > > > > ===== > --------------------------------- > The requirements said > "Windows 95/98/NT or better" > So I installed Linux > --------------------------------- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 19:08:21 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16011 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:08:21 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16008 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:08:21 -0400 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA05590 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.29]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03813 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE871FA.6A5453EF@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:07:38 -0400 From: Frank Roberts - SOLT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Polo Shirt update References: <20010426175747.A12476@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I did not order one but I am curous how many $$$? Thanks Frank Paul M Foster wrote: > > Polo shirts are now on order. We needed to order in lots of 12, and > there were 40 orders, so I ordered an extra 8 in various (popular) sizes > and colors. Shirts should be ready in a couple of weeks. > > If you haven't sent your money, do so. I have only received maybe a > quarter of the money needed. > > Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 19:30:52 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16120 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:30:52 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16117 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:30:51 -0400 Received: from ritchie.acomp.usf.edu (root@ritchie.acomp.usf.edu [131.247.100.10]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA05703 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KCOUNTSWIN (cipher.acomp.usf.edu [131.247.96.21]) by ritchie.acomp.usf.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA15338 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <09e601c0cea8$ce9c9610$1560f783@KCOUNTSWIN> From: "Kevin Counts" To: References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <3AE7E8EF.57ADF976@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:29:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Frank, I would increase the size of your swap. Although I don't know your specific situation, in general I would recommend at least 256 or 384 MB swap w/ such a big hard drive (it never hurts to have extra swap) In certain instances you can think of partitions as compartments of a ship. If one compartment fills up, the partition keeps the overflow from affecting more critical areas. I would suggest also creating a partition for /var and one for /tmp to "water tighten" your host. If their are any other directory nodes that have a probability to fill up, move them off the root partition as well. Good luck. --\ Kevin Counts System Administrator Systems Group -- Academic Computing University of South Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Roberts - SOLT" To: Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 5:22 AM Subject: [SLUG] Participations > Without starting a war what is the list's current thinking on > participations. > > Currently I have this machine divided into 3 participations: > Boot participation = Set by default (i.e. I forgot the exact size but > it was around 1 MB) > Swap = 64 MB > Main participation = = 45 GB > > I am considering changing this to either 4 or 5 participations for my > next installation. > > Added participation would be: > /usr = 5GB > /home = 40GB > > Thanks > Frank > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 19:49:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16167 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:49:59 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16164 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:49:58 -0400 Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA05758 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.29]) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03796; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE87BB7.3A55A200@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:49:11 -0400 From: Frank Roberts - SOLT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net, Kevin Counts Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <3AE7E8EF.57ADF976@earthlink.net> <09e601c0cea8$ce9c9610$1560f783@KCOUNTSWIN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net What would you recommend for a small desk top work station with a 45GB HD? Thanks Frank Kevin Counts wrote: > > Frank, > > I would increase the size of your swap. Although I don't know your > specific situation, in general I would recommend at least 256 or 384 MB swap > w/ such > a big hard drive (it never hurts to have extra swap) > > In certain instances you can think of partitions as compartments > of a ship. If one compartment fills up, the partition keeps the overflow > from affecting more critical areas. > > I would suggest also creating a partition for /var and one for /tmp > to "water tighten" your host. > > If their are any other directory nodes that have a probability to > fill up, move them off the root partition as well. > > Good luck. > > --\ > > Kevin Counts > System Administrator > Systems Group -- Academic Computing > University of South Florida > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Roberts - SOLT" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 5:22 AM > Subject: [SLUG] Participations > > > Without starting a war what is the list's current thinking on > > participations. > > > > Currently I have this machine divided into 3 participations: > > Boot participation = Set by default (i.e. I forgot the exact size but > > it was around 1 MB) > > Swap = 64 MB > > Main participation = = 45 GB > > > > I am considering changing this to either 4 or 5 participations for my > > next installation. > > > > Added participation would be: > > /usr = 5GB > > /home = 40GB > > > > Thanks > > Frank > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 22:08:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16668 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:08:05 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16665 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:08:05 -0400 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA06355 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.33.36.220] (tamqfl1-ar1-036-220.elnk.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.36.220]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26902 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104270208.TAA26902@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:07:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, I don't know, I've got smurfs! Smurfette, Papa-smurf, Hefty, painter... Russell ____________________________________________________ _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" ---------- >From: Anita >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) >Date: Thu, Apr 26, 2001, 5:54 > > > >Ed Centanni wrote: > >> Being born and raised in The South I gave my workstation the honorable >> name often bestowed on an older beloved brother by a young child -- >> Bubba. >> >> Ed. >> > >Gee, then I guess I'm really original by calling my box Lennie, after a >character on "Law & Order".....sheesh! > >Anita > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 22:39:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16756 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:39:20 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16753 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:39:20 -0400 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA06459 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.33.36.220] (tamqfl1-ar1-036-220.elnk.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.36.220]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09819 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104270239.TAA09819@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:39:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net There is an excellent introduction to partitioning on the Debian website at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-partitioning.en.html This is a very good supplement to the thorough explanation from before. Russell ____________________________________________________ _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" ---------- >From: Frank Roberts - SOLT >To: slug@nks.net, Kevin Counts >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations >Date: Thu, Apr 26, 2001, 15:49 > >What would you recommend for a small desk top work station with a 45GB >HD? >Thanks >Frank > >Kevin Counts wrote: >> >> Frank, >> >> I would increase the size of your swap. Although I don't know your >> specific situation, in general I would recommend at least 256 or 384 MB swap >> w/ such >> a big hard drive (it never hurts to have extra swap) >> >> In certain instances you can think of partitions as compartments >> of a ship. If one compartment fills up, the partition keeps the overflow >> from affecting more critical areas. >> >> I would suggest also creating a partition for /var and one for /tmp >> to "water tighten" your host. >> >> If their are any other directory nodes that have a probability to >> fill up, move them off the root partition as well. >> >> Good luck. >> >> --\ >> >> Kevin Counts >> System Administrator >> Systems Group -- Academic Computing >> University of South Florida >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Frank Roberts - SOLT" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 5:22 AM >> Subject: [SLUG] Participations >> >> > Without starting a war what is the list's current thinking on >> > participations. >> > >> > Currently I have this machine divided into 3 participations: >> > Boot participation = Set by default (i.e. I forgot the exact size but >> > it was around 1 MB) >> > Swap = 64 MB >> > Main participation = = 45 GB >> > >> > I am considering changing this to either 4 or 5 participations for my >> > next installation. >> > >> > Added participation would be: >> > /usr = 5GB >> > /home = 40GB >> > >> > Thanks >> > Frank >> > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 22:42:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16779 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:42:08 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16776 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:42:08 -0400 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA06498 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.33.36.220] (tamqfl1-ar1-036-220.elnk.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.36.220]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20652 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104270242.TAA20652@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:41:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Polo Shirt update From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Where to send it? I just thought when I see you guys at the CTS I could pay then. But if earlier is better, let me know where to put my money (not where my mouth is?) Russell ____________________________________________________ _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" ---------- >From: Paul M Foster >To: SLUG List >Subject: [SLUG] Polo Shirt update >Date: Thu, Apr 26, 2001, 17:57 > >Polo shirts are now on order. We needed to order in lots of 12, and >there were 40 orders, so I ordered an extra 8 in various (popular) sizes >and colors. Shirts should be ready in a couple of weeks. > >If you haven't sent your money, do so. I have only received maybe a >quarter of the money needed. > >Paul > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 22:48:53 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16799 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:48:53 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16796 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:48:53 -0400 Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id WAA06519 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc13.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.13) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2001 02:48:52 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AE8DDB5.7128ADB4@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:47:17 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <000901c0cdf2$ea168ce0$0401a8c0@rr> <005201c0cdf7$52b3b8a0$6501a8c0@homer> <3AE8814A.7199E3A@illusionary.com> <029c01c0ce95$c4ed2a20$78821fac@BALaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net "Brian S. Armstrong" wrote: > > I've been using the caliber of firearms that I own to name my machines, 9mm, > 380auto, 357mag... I'm waiting to build the mega-powerhouse machine so I can > use 12gauge. > > -BA > > You know, in all this I've yet to see any dieties or philosophers mentioned (my systems are Don Quixote, Kierkegaard and my laptop is either Krsna or Cage, depending on what I'm doing with it and how I feel that day, usually Krsna). Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 22:49:30 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16809 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:49:30 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16806 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:49:30 -0400 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id WAA06525 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc13.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.13) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2001 02:49:28 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AE8DDDA.79B9E30F@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:47:54 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Polo Shirt update References: <20010426175747.A12476@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > > Polo shirts are now on order. We needed to order in lots of 12, and > there were 40 orders, so I ordered an extra 8 in various (popular) sizes > and colors. Shirts should be ready in a couple of weeks. > > If you haven't sent your money, do so. I have only received maybe a > quarter of the money needed. > > Paul Where do I send the mula to? Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 22:55:54 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16880 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:55:54 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16877 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:55:53 -0400 Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id XAA06572 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc13.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.13) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2001 02:55:52 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AE8DF57.FF8E596B@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:54:15 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Games Survey Results 1 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Julian Sasse wrote: > > Here are the results so far from the Linux Games Interest Survey at > http://www.circuitvision.com/surveys/loki.html > > ( 8) - Quake III Arena > ( 7) - Tribes 2 (new!) > ( 5) - Descent 3 > ( 5) - Heavy Gear II > ( 4) - Rune (coming soon) > ( 4) - Eric's Ultimate Solitaire > ( 4) - SimCity 3000 > ( 3) - Deus Ex (coming soon) > ( 3) - Soldier of Fortune > ( 2) - Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K.2 (coming soon) > ( 2) - Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri + Expansion (new!) > ( 2) - Civilization: Call to Power > ( 2) - Heroes of Might and Magic III > ( 2) - Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns (coming soon) > ( 1) - MindRover (coming soon) > ( 1) - Railroad Tycoon II > ------------------------------------------------------- > ( 55) - TOTAL > (Results include 2 anonymous submissions) > > Basically, we only need 2 more people interested in Quake III Arena to order > that at 50% off and free shipping, or 3 more people to order Tribes 2. The > other titles have a little more to go. > If you know of any friends or co-workers that might be interested, please > pass on the URL to the survey: > http://www.circuitvision.com/surveys/loki.html > > Cheers, > --Julian > _________________________________________________________________ C'mon, if you want Quake 3, go to www.ebgames.com, where it's $9.99. Tribes 2, however is not availableanywhere nearly that cheap (not legally, however). Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 23:16:43 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16948 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:16:43 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16945 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:16:42 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA06672 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14sxtN-0003HG-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:21:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:21:57 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Polo Shirt update Message-ID: <20010426222157.C12476@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20010426175747.A12476@quillandmouse.com> <3AE871FA.6A5453EF@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AE871FA.6A5453EF@earthlink.net>; from sotl155360@earthlink.net on Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 03:07:38PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 03:07:38PM -0400, Frank Roberts - SOLT wrote: > I did not order one but I am curous how many $$$? > $19 Paul > Thanks > Frank > > Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > Polo shirts are now on order. We needed to order in lots of 12, and > > there were 40 orders, so I ordered an extra 8 in various (popular) sizes > > and colors. Shirts should be ready in a couple of weeks. > > > > If you haven't sent your money, do so. I have only received maybe a > > quarter of the money needed. > > > > Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Thu Apr 26 23:17:50 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16958 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:17:50 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16955 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:17:50 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA06685 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14sxuU-0003HL-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:23:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:23:05 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Polo Shirt update Message-ID: <20010426222305.D12476@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20010426175747.A12476@quillandmouse.com> <3AE8DDDA.79B9E30F@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AE8DDDA.79B9E30F@yahoo.com>; from niccademous@yahoo.com on Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:47:54PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:47:54PM -0400, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > Polo shirts are now on order. We needed to order in lots of 12, and > > there were 40 orders, so I ordered an extra 8 in various (popular) sizes > > and colors. Shirts should be ready in a couple of weeks. > > > > If you haven't sent your money, do so. I have only received maybe a > > quarter of the money needed. > > > > Paul > > > Where do I send the mula to? > Norb > Make check payable to SLUG. Send to: Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) c/o Quill & Mouse Studios, Inc. 2165 Sunnydale Blvd Suite E Clearwater, FL 33765 Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 00:37:28 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17401 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:37:28 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17398 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:37:28 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA07187 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from y (2492162hfc127.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.162.127]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3R4bLO07828 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008201c0ced3$bc02df20$6401a8c0@y> From: "Jim Lange" To: References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <000901c0cdf2$ea168ce0$0401a8c0@rr> <005201c0cdf7$52b3b8a0$6501a8c0@homer> <3AE8814A.7199E3A@illusionary.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:37:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net So I guess naming my computers X, Y, & Z seems pretty dull. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 01:43:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17829 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:43:42 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17826 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:43:42 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA07618 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.localdomain ([24.129.149.50]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with SMTP id <20010427054341.ULPJ294.flmta01@home.localdomain> for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:43:41 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Seth To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Re:samba Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:44:52 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042701445200.02557@home.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net post your smb.conf file do you have your laptop added as auser on your linux box? and added to your smbpassword file? are passwords encrypted? Seth On Thursday 26 April 2001 11:05, you wrote: > I am having a bit of difficulty getting SAMBA set up on my network!! I > have been reading everything that can on the subject and following the > instructions that are given in the manuals...but to no avail!! So I > thought that I would toss it out to the user group and see if you can > provide some insight. > > I have set up a network at my home that consists of a Dell desktop with Red > Hat 7.0 which I am trying to network with my laptop which is a Sager > NP2260V running WIN2000Pro. > I am using a Linksys EtherFast Cable/DSL Router model BEFSR41, (the one > with the 4 node HUB built into the unit...I would like to eventually hook > the network up to the internet when I know a bit more about security!) I > have the SAMBA RPM installed on the Red Hat machine and have been using > SWAT to do my configuration file. So far I have not been able to get the > WIN2000Pro to see the Linux machine!! I have tried using Network Places as > well as Mapping the IP address as a drive...nothing seems to work!! > > I have been able to ping both machines with NO problems!! > > The router IP is 192.168.1.1 > The Win2000Pro laptop is 192.168.1.100 > Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 > And the Red Hat machine is 192.168.1.101 > Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 > I don't have the version of SAMBA in front of me since the computer is at > home, (I believe that it is 2.0.7)...but I can get that info if it will be > helpful... > > As I understand it the DNS server should be the router IP address...(??) > > I have a login set up on the Linux machine with the Win2000Pro login > info... What about the SAMBA Password file...I have set that up with SWAT. > But I cannot seem to get a list of my users on the SWAT page...perhaps I am > doing something wrong with regards to the password... > I have tried encrypted passwords...as well as plain text passwords... > > I'm just missing something!!!!! > > I am using SAMS Teach Yourself SAMBA in 24 Hours as well as Red Hat Linux > Bible as references... > > It all seems so easy when I read it...but it doesn't seem to > work!!!!!!!!!!! > > Thanks in advance for your help... > > Dr. Michael Major > www.major-chiro.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. Seth seth@hollen.org From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 01:45:35 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17842 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:45:35 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17839 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:45:35 -0400 Received: from server3.safepages.com (server3.safepages.com [216.127.146.5]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA07626 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux (1Cust68.tnt9.clearwater.fl.da.uu.net [63.24.115.68]) by server3.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AF06690A1 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:51:36 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:50:16 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <000901c0cdf2$ea168ce0$0401a8c0@rr> In-Reply-To: <000901c0cdf2$ea168ce0$0401a8c0@rr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042617501600.00252@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Gee.. I wonder who's heard of AD&D? Glen :) On Wednesday 25 April 2001 21:47, you wrote: > Mine are Drizzt (older black sony vaio), Catti-brie (the wife's), Montolio, > and when i get the file server built it will be Wulfgar. > > Todd > > > Groovy.. mine's name is bubbles :) > > > > Glen > > > > On Wednesday 25 April 2001 01:02, you wrote: > > > >my boxes are cleobis and daedalus > > > > > > Cool! my laptop is Icarus :) > > > > > > Seth From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 01:48:31 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA17862 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:48:31 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17859 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:48:31 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA07645 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athlon133 (653259hfc51.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.59.51]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3R5mTv08149 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:48:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul W Weinstein" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Polo Shirt update Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:48:45 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3AE8DDDA.79B9E30F@yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net did I put my name into the pool for one???? Paul Weinstein -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Norbert Cartagena Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 10:48 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Polo Shirt update Paul M Foster wrote: > > Polo shirts are now on order. We needed to order in lots of 12, and > there were 40 orders, so I ordered an extra 8 in various (popular) sizes > and colors. Shirts should be ready in a couple of weeks. > > If you haven't sent your money, do so. I have only received maybe a > quarter of the money needed. > > Paul Where do I send the mula to? Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 06:11:51 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19089 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:11:51 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19086 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:11:51 -0400 Received: from web220.mail.yahoo.com (web220.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.120]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id GAA09178 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010427101149.97921.qmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.84.253.16] by web220.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 03:11:49 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 03:11:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Manchester Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake or RedHat To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3AE8717A.1D447966@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net No problem Frank, I really didn't think RedHat would make another release so quick, but I had to check :) --- Frank Roberts - SOLT wrote: > > My apologies > Frank > ===== --------------------------------- The requirements said "Windows 95/98/NT or better" So I installed Linux --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 06:24:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19158 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:24:57 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19155 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:24:57 -0400 Received: from web213.mail.yahoo.com (web213.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.113]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id GAA09238 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22501 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2001 10:24:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20010427102453.22500.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.84.253.16] by web213.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 03:24:53 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 03:24:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Manchester Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <008201c0ced3$bc02df20$6401a8c0@y> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net OK here are mine: Cpt = Mine Fstmate = wifes dingy = laptop swabbie = sons And I was in the Army for 7 years :) Mike Manchester ===== --------------------------------- The requirements said "Windows 95/98/NT or better" So I installed Linux --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 06:32:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19270 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:32:00 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19267 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:32:00 -0400 Received: from web215.mail.yahoo.com (web215.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.115]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id GAA09324 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5715 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2001 10:31:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20010427103158.5714.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.84.253.16] by web215.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 03:31:58 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 03:31:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Manchester Subject: [SLUG] Help My Pipes are leaking ------ :) To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20010426222305.D12476@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I've been trying to make a backup of my system for last 4 days and can't. I'm using Flexbackup and have used this program in the past with no problem. But now I keep getting "Broken Pipe" errors. The exact message is. buffer (writer): write of data failed: No space left on device bytes to write=65536, bytes written=-1, total written 64K afio: "-": Broken pipe Does anyone have any idea what could be causing this? Again it (Flexbackup) has worked find in the past. Thanks for any help with this. Mike Manchester ===== --------------------------------- The requirements said "Windows 95/98/NT or better" So I installed Linux --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 07:26:10 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19523 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:26:10 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19520 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:26:09 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f222.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.222]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id HAA09605 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 04:25:38 -0700 Received: from 4.34.240.249 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:25:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.34.240.249] From: "Michael Major" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RE: Samba setup Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:25:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2001 11:25:38.0559 (UTC) FILETIME=[C906B0F0:01C0CF0C] Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I ran all the diagnostics and everything seemed to pass... I did get one error that I recall...something about the SSL...which I am looking into. I have my network setup at home and my e-mail is at the office...I will try to get you a copy of the conf file ASAP. I have used various conf files...each one simpler than the last, (I figured that less was better...less to screw up!!) I think that I will try to set up a linux box at work this weekend...I have the exact setup at work...except faster computers : - ) Michael >From: "Mikes work account" >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: >Subject: [SLUG] RE: Samba setup >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:31:39 -0400 > >Michael, > >I just finished getting Samba up and running on our office network. I also >read and followed the Sams 24 hour instructions. > >Have you run testparm to check your smb.conf file? > >did you do all the diagnostics that the book referenced? > >If you have and you did not get any errors, can you post your smb.conf so I >cn look at it? Or sent it ot me offline. > >We can go from there. > >Michael C. Rock > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Michael Major > > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 11:05 AM > > To: slug@nks.net > > Subject: > > > > > > I am having a bit of difficulty getting SAMBA set up on my > > network!! I have > > been reading everything that can on the subject and following the > > instructions that are given in the manuals...but to no avail!! > > So I thought > > that I would toss it out to the user group and see if you can > > provide some > > insight. > > > > I have set up a network at my home that consists of a Dell > > desktop with Red > > Hat 7.0 which I am trying to network with my laptop which is a > > Sager NP2260V > > running WIN2000Pro. > > I am using a Linksys EtherFast Cable/DSL Router model BEFSR41, > > (the one with > > the 4 node HUB built into the unit...I would like to eventually hook the > > network up to the internet when I know a bit more about security!) > > I have the SAMBA RPM installed on the Red Hat machine and have been >using > > SWAT to do my configuration file. So far I have not been able to get >the > > WIN2000Pro to see the Linux machine!! I have tried using Network > > Places as > > well as Mapping the IP address as a drive...nothing seems to work!! > > > > I have been able to ping both machines with NO problems!! > > > > The router IP is 192.168.1.1 > > The Win2000Pro laptop is 192.168.1.100 > > Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 > > And the Red Hat machine is 192.168.1.101 > > Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 > > I don't have the version of SAMBA in front of me since the computer is >at > > home, (I believe that it is 2.0.7)...but I can get that info if > > it will be > > helpful... > > > > As I understand it the DNS server should be the router IP address...(??) > > > > I have a login set up on the Linux machine with the Win2000Pro > > login info... > > What about the SAMBA Password file...I have set that up with SWAT. But >I > > cannot seem to get a list of my users on the SWAT page...perhaps > > I am doing > > something wrong with regards to the password... > > I have tried encrypted passwords...as well as plain text passwords... > > > > I'm just missing something!!!!! > > > > I am using SAMS Teach Yourself SAMBA in 24 Hours as well as Red Hat >Linux > > Bible as references... > > > > It all seems so easy when I read it...but it doesn't seem to > > work!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Thanks in advance for your help... > > > > Dr. Michael Major > > www.major-chiro.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 07:32:56 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19576 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:32:56 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19573 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:32:55 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f166.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.166]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id HAA09653 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 04:32:24 -0700 Received: from 4.34.240.249 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:32:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.34.240.249] From: "Michael Major" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re:samba Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:32:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2001 11:32:24.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAFB74E0:01C0CF0D] Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Will do... I have the network set up at home and my DSL account with e-mail is at the office...I am going to try to rectify that situation this weekend!! I have added an account with the same login and password to the Redhat box and, (I think) I have added the password to the smbpassword file...I have been trying to use the SWAT and sometimes the GUI is harder to figure out than going in and modifieing it with a text editor... I will try to get the conf file posted ASAP...and I will play more with the password stuff this weekend. Michael >From: Seth >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: [SLUG] Re:samba >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:44:52 -0400 > > >post your smb.conf file > >do you have your laptop added as auser on your linux box? >and added to your smbpassword file? >are passwords encrypted? > > >Seth > >On Thursday 26 April 2001 11:05, you wrote: > > I am having a bit of difficulty getting SAMBA set up on my network!! I > > have been reading everything that can on the subject and following the > > instructions that are given in the manuals...but to no avail!! So I > > thought that I would toss it out to the user group and see if you can > > provide some insight. > > > > I have set up a network at my home that consists of a Dell desktop with >Red > > Hat 7.0 which I am trying to network with my laptop which is a Sager > > NP2260V running WIN2000Pro. > > I am using a Linksys EtherFast Cable/DSL Router model BEFSR41, (the one > > with the 4 node HUB built into the unit...I would like to eventually >hook > > the network up to the internet when I know a bit more about security!) I > > have the SAMBA RPM installed on the Red Hat machine and have been using > > SWAT to do my configuration file. So far I have not been able to get >the > > WIN2000Pro to see the Linux machine!! I have tried using Network Places >as > > well as Mapping the IP address as a drive...nothing seems to work!! > > > > I have been able to ping both machines with NO problems!! > > > > The router IP is 192.168.1.1 > > The Win2000Pro laptop is 192.168.1.100 > > Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 > > And the Red Hat machine is 192.168.1.101 > > Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 > > I don't have the version of SAMBA in front of me since the computer is >at > > home, (I believe that it is 2.0.7)...but I can get that info if it will >be > > helpful... > > > > As I understand it the DNS server should be the router IP address...(??) > > > > I have a login set up on the Linux machine with the Win2000Pro login > > info... What about the SAMBA Password file...I have set that up with >SWAT. > > But I cannot seem to get a list of my users on the SWAT page...perhaps I >am > > doing something wrong with regards to the password... > > I have tried encrypted passwords...as well as plain text passwords... > > > > I'm just missing something!!!!! > > > > I am using SAMS Teach Yourself SAMBA in 24 Hours as well as Red Hat >Linux > > Bible as references... > > > > It all seems so easy when I read it...but it doesn't seem to > > work!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Thanks in advance for your help... > > > > Dr. Michael Major > > www.major-chiro.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >-- > >Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. >Seth >seth@hollen.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 08:28:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19797 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:28:29 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19794 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:28:29 -0400 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id IAA09899 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-043.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.43]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21462 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 05:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE92D84.A86EA56A@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 04:27:48 -0400 From: Frank Roberts - SOLT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations References: <200104270239.TAA09819@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks Russell Appreciate the help. Frank Russell Hires wrote: > > There is an excellent introduction to partitioning on the Debian website at > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-partitioning.en.html > > This is a very good supplement to the thorough explanation from before. > > Russell > ____________________________________________________ > _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" > _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" > > ---------- > >From: Frank Roberts - SOLT > >To: slug@nks.net, Kevin Counts > >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations > >Date: Thu, Apr 26, 2001, 15:49 > > > > >What would you recommend for a small desk top work station with a 45GB > >HD? > >Thanks > >Frank > > > >Kevin Counts wrote: > >> > >> Frank, > >> > >> I would increase the size of your swap. Although I don't know your > >> specific situation, in general I would recommend at least 256 or 384 MB swap > >> w/ such > >> a big hard drive (it never hurts to have extra swap) > >> > >> In certain instances you can think of partitions as compartments > >> of a ship. If one compartment fills up, the partition keeps the overflow > >> from affecting more critical areas. > >> > >> I would suggest also creating a partition for /var and one for /tmp > >> to "water tighten" your host. > >> > >> If their are any other directory nodes that have a probability to > >> fill up, move them off the root partition as well. > >> > >> Good luck. > >> > >> --\ > >> > >> Kevin Counts > >> System Administrator > >> Systems Group -- Academic Computing > >> University of South Florida > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Frank Roberts - SOLT" > >> To: > >> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 5:22 AM > >> Subject: [SLUG] Participations > >> > >> > Without starting a war what is the list's current thinking on > >> > participations. > >> > > >> > Currently I have this machine divided into 3 participations: > >> > Boot participation = Set by default (i.e. I forgot the exact size but > >> > it was around 1 MB) > >> > Swap = 64 MB > >> > Main participation = = 45 GB > >> > > >> > I am considering changing this to either 4 or 5 participations for my > >> > next installation. > >> > > >> > Added participation would be: > >> > /usr = 5GB > >> > /home = 40GB > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > Frank > >> > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 09:21:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19969 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:21:00 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19966 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:20:59 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA10140 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-043.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.43]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15498 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE939D2.C4223B25@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 05:20:18 -0400 From: Frank Roberts - SOLT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <3AE7E8EF.57ADF976@earthlink.net> <3AE83EC0.D313D464@illusionary.com> <004301c0ce6b$dbbb94a0$0200a8c0@artneedle.com> <3AE858D6.9539C167@illusionary.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Derek Glidden wrote: > > > Related, if you take it a step further and add an "/etc" partition, (or > put your /etc in a ramdrive or something) you can get to the point where > you can mount your / and /usr partitions read-only, which is another big > advantage if your have power outages for any reason because read-only > mounted partitions never need to be fsck'ed after an unexpected reboot. > It also helps for security if files in / and /usr are not writable since > most script-kiddie scripts don't include "mount -o remount,rw /" type > things in them and assume they'll be able to write to the files they > want to without fiddling with mounts. > >From Installing Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 For Intel x86 Chapter 4 Partitioning Your Hard Drive http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-partitioning.en.html ____________________________________Began Copied Text_________________ 4.1.1 The Directory Tree /: root represents the starting point of the directory hierarchy. It contains the essential programs that the computer can boot. This includes the kernel, system libraries, configuration files in /etc and various other needed files. Typically 30-50 MB are needed but this may vary. Note: do not partition /etc, /bin, /sbin, /lib or /dev as its own partition; you won't be able to boot. _____________________________________ End Copied Text_________________ I am not sure but I believe that you are recommending to do exactly what Debian is suggesting that you do not do that is participation /etc. Obviously you have overcame these limits but in your opinion would this be a course of action for a desktop workstation with a dsl line? Thanks Frank _____________________________ PS. I am curious. What is the following suppose to be? > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 09:36:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20071 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:36:29 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20068 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:36:29 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA10233 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-043.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.43]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA06057 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 06:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE93CCD.FECB2118@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 05:33:01 -0400 From: Frank Roberts - SOLT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <3AE7E8EF.57ADF976@earthlink.net> <3AE83EC0.D313D464@illusionary.com> <20010426175327.A12468@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi Derek, After reading the Debian information I am inclined to agree with your participation breakdown but not with the sizes especially if you have a large hard drive and no server. How do you feel about the following? partition size / 256MB swap (2x RAM size) /var 2-4GB /usr 2-4GB /home The Remainder (45 GB -{ / + swap + /var + /usr + /opt} /opt 2-4GB Thanks Frank Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 11:29:04AM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > Here's how I usually set them up: > > > > partition size > > / 256MB > > swap (2x RAM size) > > /var 512MB > > /usr 2-4GB > > /home 100MB (because even at home everything lives on the server) > > /opt remainder (yes, I'm an "/opt" person...) > > Opt is suggested by the FHS, so you can't really argue with it. > > How do you set up these partitions? As in primary, secondary, etc.? > > Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 09:48:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20183 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:48:58 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20180 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:48:58 -0400 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id JAA10307 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc13.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.13) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2001 13:48:57 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AE97821.E622A6C6@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:46:09 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] Upgrading X and special configuration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ok, taking Derek's advice, I've decided to move my system up to the barnd-spank'n newest version of XF86. Howevr, before I make the move, one question: Whne I installed SUSE on this system, I had to configure the /etc/X11/XF86Config file by hand so that it would handle a 1400x1050 setting without burning a hole in my LCD. When I upgrade, will I have to reconfigure the file by hand agaion, or will my configuration files stay pretty much put? Thnaks. Norb P.S. This is what I specifically had to add by hand: Modeline "1280x960" 111.82 1280 1296 1552 1736 960 960 970 1003 Modeline "1280x1024" 98.18 1280 1296 1552 1736 1024 1024 1033 1070 Modeline "1400x1050" 107.85 1400 1450 1500 1999 1050 1058 1070 1150 EndSection Section "Screen" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1400x1050" "640x480" ... EndSubSection Device "Device[0]" Identifier "Screen[0]" Monitor "Monitor[0]" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 09:53:32 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20243 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:53:32 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20240 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:53:32 -0400 Received: from knuth.bish.net (bish.net [208.139.225.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id KAA10338 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knuth.bish.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA06061 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:33:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:33:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help My Pipes are leaking ------ :) In-Reply-To: <20010427103158.5714.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The device you are backing up to is full. On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Michael Manchester wrote: > I've been trying to make a backup of my system for > last 4 days and can't. I'm using Flexbackup and have > used this program in the past with no problem. But now > I keep getting "Broken Pipe" errors. The exact message > is. > > buffer (writer): write of data failed: No space left > on device > bytes to write=65536, bytes written=-1, total written > 64K > afio: "-": Broken pipe > > Does anyone have any idea what could be causing this? > Again it (Flexbackup) has worked find in the past. > > Thanks for any help with this. > Mike Manchester > > > > ===== > --------------------------------- > The requirements said > "Windows 95/98/NT or better" > So I installed Linux > --------------------------------- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | | 813.258.2390 | Network Engineer | | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 10:02:45 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20346 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:02:45 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20343 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:02:45 -0400 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id KAA10409 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30521 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2001 14:02:40 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 27 Apr 2001 14:02:40 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([64.182.194.58]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:02:38 -0500 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re:samba, conf file Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:02:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have posted my smb.conf file below but it is large and I have tried to eliminated most of it for you. One important issue for me was the case sensitive = no; I had originally set it to yes. Then I had to put username level = 1 because we limit the number of upper case letters in the password to one. Linux goes through an algorthym changing one letter at a time to match upper and lower case passwords. The fewer uppercase the better. Some of these entries may not be necessary, but then I am a newcomer also and tend to over do it!! [global] workgroup = netbios name = server string = %h (Samba v%v) printcap name = /etc/printcap load printers = yes guest account = pcguest security = user encrypt passwords = yes smb passwd file = /etc/smbpasswd case sensitive = no preferred master = yes username level = 1 domain controller = wins server = 192.168.1.1 dns proxy = no [homes] comment = Home Directories browsable = no create mode = 0750 read only = no [printers] comment = All Printers path = /etc/printcap browsable = no printable = yes create mode = 0700 [share1] comment = my linux share path = /home/rock/share1/ public = no read only = no valid users = rock [public] comment = Public Stuff path = /public public = yes browsable = yes writable = yes create mode = 777 [tmp] comment = Temporary file space path = /tmp read only = yes public = yes Michael C. Rock From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 10:30:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20474 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:30:05 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20471 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:30:04 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f100.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.100]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id KAA10567 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:29:33 -0700 Received: from 4.34.240.249 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:29:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.34.240.249] From: "Michael Major" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re:samba, conf file Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:29:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2001 14:29:33.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A5D0FC0:01C0CF26] Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks... I am in the process of partitioning my drive so that I can get RedHat up on my office computer... Like I said the system here is a mirror of my home network...only faster. I am new to the system so the learning curve is BIG... I'll try a version of your confg file and see if I make any headway. will keep you posted... Thanks! Michael >From: "Mikes work account" >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: >Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re:samba, conf file >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:02:10 -0400 > > >I have posted my smb.conf file below but it is large and I have tried to >eliminated most of it for you. > >One important issue for me was the case sensitive = no; I had originally >set >it to yes. Then I had to put username level = 1 because we limit the >number >of upper case letters in the password to one. Linux goes through an >algorthym changing one letter at a time to match upper and lower case >passwords. The fewer uppercase the better. > >Some of these entries may not be necessary, but then I am a newcomer also >and tend to over do it!! > >[global] > workgroup = > netbios name = > server string = %h (Samba v%v) > printcap name = /etc/printcap > load printers = yes > guest account = pcguest > security = user > encrypt passwords = yes > smb passwd file = /etc/smbpasswd > case sensitive = no > preferred master = yes > username level = 1 > domain controller = > wins server = 192.168.1.1 > dns proxy = no > >[homes] > comment = Home Directories > browsable = no > create mode = 0750 > read only = no > >[printers] > comment = All Printers > path = /etc/printcap > browsable = no > printable = yes > create mode = 0700 > >[share1] > comment = my linux share > path = /home/rock/share1/ > public = no > read only = no > valid users = rock > >[public] > comment = Public Stuff > path = /public > public = yes > browsable = yes > writable = yes > create mode = 777 > > [tmp] > comment = Temporary file space > path = /tmp > read only = yes > public = yes > > > Michael C. Rock > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 10:53:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20649 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:53:04 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20646 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:53:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE987CE.E6464248@illusionary.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:53:02 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partitions References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <3AE7E8EF.57ADF976@earthlink.net> <3AE83EC0.D313D464@illusionary.com> <20010426175327.A12468@quillandmouse.com> <3AE8709E.E8018EC5@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Frank Roberts - SOLT wrote: > > Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 11:29:04AM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > > > Here's how I usually set them up: > > > > > > partition size > > > / 256MB > > > swap (2x RAM size) > > > /var 512MB > > > /usr 2-4GB > > > /home 100MB (because even at home everything lives on the server) > > > /opt remainder (yes, I'm an "/opt" person...) > > > > Opt is suggested by the FHS, so you can't really argue with it. > > > > How do you set up these partitions? As in primary, secondary, etc.? I'd have to go through and look at our setup scripts since that's all done automagically anymore. :) Usually though I think / and swap are primary and the rest are usually logical. There's no especial technical reason why any should be one way or another though. It's all legacy crap left over from the DOS days. The various BSDs actually handle it much more gracefully, IMHO, where they just have a single "legacy" partition and then manage "slices" of disk space with their own partition table format on that partition. > > Paul > > I second that and thanks Paul. > > Part of the above eludes me a wee bit. > > Which is your boot participation? Eh? Or partition? :) > Why is /var so much less than /usr? /var doesn't usually hold so much as /usr. RPM and DEB (depending on what distro, and there are certainly others with which I am not so familiar) usually install into /usr, and most packages you will build by default go into /usr/local/. /var is used mostly for system logs and stuff like that. I've got a machine at home that acts as my cablemodem firewall with a 64MB /var I believe and it's doing fine, even with firewall logs. 512MB is what I usually make them nowadays with hard drive sizes so large anyway because it's always better to be too big than too small. > Approximately what size is /opt? If /opt is over 4 GB and this HD is > larger than 10 GB for example a 40 GB drive would it not be better to > put the remainder in /home. THat is of course assuming that you are not > storing data on a server but have a stand alone machine. If you put lots of stuff in /home sure, it should be as big as you need it. Everywhere my machines live though have file servers available so I never need a lot of space. I don't like installing things into /home either, so the only things in my /home partition are things like login scripts, doc files, spreadsheets, etc, so I am never using more than a few tens of megs at most on any system I log into on a regular basis. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 11:12:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20821 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:12:09 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20818 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:12:08 -0400 From: guinness@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA10922 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3RFC7O14252 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200104271512.f3RFC7O14252@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Linux on Playstation 2 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:12:07 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/2001/16/ns-22480.htm Its a good read but Sony is only releaseing it in Japan right now. I sent an e- mail of to playstation US feedback asking to release it in the states. Sean From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 11:12:51 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20832 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:12:51 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20829 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:12:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE98C72.5B30EC65@illusionary.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:12:50 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <3AE7E8EF.57ADF976@earthlink.net> <3AE83EC0.D313D464@illusionary.com> <20010426175327.A12468@quillandmouse.com> <3AE93CCD.FECB2118@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Frank Roberts - SOLT wrote: > > Hi Derek, > > After reading the Debian information I am inclined to agree with your > participation breakdown but not with the sizes especially if you have a > large hard drive and no server. > > How do you feel about the following? I'd still put most of the disk space into /opt and just make /home larger than I normally would, like in the 10GB range. You *really don't* want to install stuff into /home. I mean, you can, and maybe you *do* want to, but "historically speaking", all /home is used for is to store users' login scripts and stuff like documents and local files. All software would get installed either into /usr or /opt. So for example, I wouldn't install Tribes 2 into /home/tribes2 - I'd put it in /opt/tribes2. And since Tribes 2 is probably pretty big, I'd fill up a 2GB /opt with just one software package. Although many many people would put it in /usr/local/. I just happen to be an /opt kind of guy. My rationale for /opt: anything that gets installed via whatever the system's package management tool, i.e. RPMs or DEBs, go under the /usr tree where they will get installed by default; anything I personally install and have control over where they go, like games, additional software packages compiled and installed by me, etc, goes in /opt. Why? If it's been installed by a package tool, I can use that package tool to manage it and its associated files, like remove it, upgrade it, etc. If I've installed it, I have to go to the directory under /opt where I've installed it to remove it, delete it, install a newer version, etc. And notice that I don't install stuff into /home, so I never need a very big home. If I download lots of files, I make "/opt/incoming" and make it writable by my login ID and put everything there. Likewise, I will have /opt/mp3 for my music, /opt/media for graphics and video, and so on. That keeps my /home partition clean and pristine. :) > partition size > / 256MB > swap (2x RAM size) > /var 2-4GB > /usr 2-4GB > /home The Remainder (45 GB -{ / + swap + /var + /usr + /opt} > /opt 2-4GB -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 11:16:54 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20882 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:16:54 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20879 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:16:54 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE98D66.90E18C8A@illusionary.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:16:54 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Upgrading X and special configuration References: <3AE97821.E622A6C6@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > Ok, taking Derek's advice, I've decided to move my system up to the > barnd-spank'n newest version of XF86. Howevr, before I make the move, > one question: > > Whne I installed SUSE on this system, I had to configure the > /etc/X11/XF86Config file by hand so that it would handle a 1400x1050 > setting without burning a hole in my LCD. When I upgrade, will I have to > reconfigure the file by hand agaion, or will my configuration files stay > pretty much put? The config file is significantly different, but significantly easier to work with. Keep a backup of your old one and refer to it while setting up the new one though. XFree86 4.0 knows a lot more about various "non-standard" monitor types and will probably detect everything correctly and automatically. It can tell with my laptop (and reports in the log file too) for example, if I'm using the internal LCD or if I've got an external monitor plugged in. It's a *significant* update and well worth the effort to get it working. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 12:00:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21188 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:00:59 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21185 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:00:59 -0400 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA11289 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (tamqfl1-ar1-128-043.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.128.43]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28734 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AE95F4A.1440EB0F@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:00:10 -0400 From: Frank Roberts - SOLT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <3AE7E8EF.57ADF976@earthlink.net> <3AE83EC0.D313D464@illusionary.com> <20010426175327.A12468@quillandmouse.com> <3AE93CCD.FECB2118@earthlink.net> <3AE98C72.5B30EC65@illusionary.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi Derek, If you had a machine in which a single user at /home 15 to 20 GB of data, not programs, but text data, under which directory would place the data. Thanks Frank Derek Glidden wrote: > > Frank Roberts - SOLT wrote: > > > > Hi Derek, > > > > After reading the Debian information I am inclined to agree with your > > participation breakdown but not with the sizes especially if you have a > > large hard drive and no server. > > > > How do you feel about the following? > > I'd still put most of the disk space into /opt and just make /home > larger than I normally would, like in the 10GB range. You *really > don't* want to install stuff into /home. I mean, you can, and maybe you > *do* want to, but "historically speaking", all /home is used for is to > store users' login scripts and stuff like documents and local files. > All software would get installed either into /usr or /opt. > > So for example, I wouldn't install Tribes 2 into /home/tribes2 - I'd put > it in /opt/tribes2. And since Tribes 2 is probably pretty big, I'd fill > up a 2GB /opt with just one software package. > > Although many many people would put it in /usr/local/. I just happen to > be an /opt kind of guy. > > My rationale for /opt: anything that gets installed via whatever the > system's package management tool, i.e. RPMs or DEBs, go under the /usr > tree where they will get installed by default; anything I personally > install and have control over where they go, like games, additional > software packages compiled and installed by me, etc, goes in /opt. > Why? If it's been installed by a package tool, I can use that package > tool to manage it and its associated files, like remove it, upgrade it, > etc. If I've installed it, I have to go to the directory under /opt > where I've installed it to remove it, delete it, install a newer > version, etc. > > And notice that I don't install stuff into /home, so I never need a very > big home. If I download lots of files, I make "/opt/incoming" and make > it writable by my login ID and put everything there. Likewise, I will > have /opt/mp3 for my music, /opt/media for graphics and video, and so > on. That keeps my /home partition clean and pristine. :) > > > partition size > > / 256MB > > swap (2x RAM size) > > /var 2-4GB > > /usr 2-4GB > > /home The Remainder (45 GB -{ / + swap + /var + /usr + /opt} > > /opt 2-4GB > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 12:12:34 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21366 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:12:34 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21363 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:12:34 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA11413 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from y (2492162hfc127.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.162.127]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3RGCXO21729 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000501c0cf34$d89a1700$6401a8c0@y> From: "Jim Lange" To: References: <200104271512.f3RFC7O14252@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Playstation 2 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:12:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You need to add an "L" to the end of that address like this: http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/2001/16/ns-22480.html Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 7:12 AM Subject: [SLUG] Linux on Playstation 2 > http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/2001/16/ns-22480.htm > > Its a good read but Sony is only releaseing it in Japan right now. I sent an e- > mail of to playstation US feedback asking to release it in the states. > > Sean > > > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 12:59:36 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21677 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:59:36 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21674 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:59:36 -0400 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA11734 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bpreece (user-33qtsen.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.241.215]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19393 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000301c0cf3b$8e700520$fa51090a@bpreece> From: "Bill Preece" To: Subject: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:00:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This was a story on Linuxtoday's web site. I thought that anyone wanting to try to build a cheap and cool Linux Box would want to read this story. http://www.signalground.com/article/3165805434 Basically for around $475.00 This guy built a good and cheap S.u.S.E. <--Smile Ed and Norb Linux Box how ever you should be able to use the same parts for just about any current Distro. How ever my self I would recommend the S.u.S.E. if you want a ton of cool apps already to install. 750mhz Duron with some good basic parts. Note if you look at thompsons web site open to public you can maybe find a better hard drive deal. www.tcwo.com Local distributor open to the public. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 15:05:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22596 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:05:08 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22588 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:05:07 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id PAA12599 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.localdomain (24129149hfc50.tampabay.rr.com [24.129.149.50]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3RJ55v12946 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Seth To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re:samba, conf file Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:06:11 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042715061100.03524@home.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > >[global] > > workgroup = > > netbios name = > > server string = %h (Samba v%v) > > printcap name = /etc/printcap > > load printers = yes > > guest account = pcguest > > security = user > > encrypt passwords = yes > > smb passwd file = /etc/smbpasswd might be /etc/samba/smbpasswd check your directory's in my redhat computer all samba files are in /etc/samba/file name try to trim your smb.conf file to only the bare minimum, get it working then add other settings a little at a time > > case sensitive = no > > preferred master = yes > > username level = 1 > > domain controller = > > wins server = 192.168.1.1 > > dns proxy = no > > > >[homes] > > comment = Home Directories > > browsable = no > > create mode = 0750 > > read only = no > > > >[printers] > > comment = All Printers > > path = /etc/printcap > > browsable = no > > printable = yes > > create mode = 0700 > > > >[share1] > > comment = my linux share > > path = /home/rock/share1/ > > public = no > > read only = no > > valid users = rock > > > >[public] > > comment = Public Stuff > > path = /public > > public = yes > > browsable = yes > > writable = yes > > create mode = 777 > > > > [tmp] > > comment = Temporary file space > > path = /tmp > > read only = yes > > public = yes > > > > > > Michael C. Rock > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. Seth seth@hollen.org From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 16:41:30 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23351 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:41:30 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23348 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:41:30 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id QAA13256 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14tECe-0003U7-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:46:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:46:56 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations Message-ID: <20010427154656.A12682@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <3AE7E8EF.57ADF976@earthlink.net> <3AE83EC0.D313D464@illusionary.com> <20010426175327.A12468@quillandmouse.com> <3AE93CCD.FECB2118@earthlink.net> <3AE98C72.5B30EC65@illusionary.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AE98C72.5B30EC65@illusionary.com>; from dglidden@illusionary.com on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:12:50AM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:12:50AM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > My rationale for /opt: anything that gets installed via whatever the > system's package management tool, i.e. RPMs or DEBs, go under the /usr > tree where they will get installed by default; anything I personally > install and have control over where they go, like games, additional > software packages compiled and installed by me, etc, goes in /opt. > Why? If it's been installed by a package tool, I can use that package > tool to manage it and its associated files, like remove it, upgrade it, > etc. If I've installed it, I have to go to the directory under /opt > where I've installed it to remove it, delete it, install a newer > version, etc. > > And notice that I don't install stuff into /home, so I never need a very > big home. If I download lots of files, I make "/opt/incoming" and make > it writable by my login ID and put everything there. Likewise, I will > have /opt/mp3 for my music, /opt/media for graphics and video, and so > on. That keeps my /home partition clean and pristine. :) > Here's where you vary from FHS. FHS specifies software packages for /opt, not music, media or other files. Those I would put in /home. I download a lot of software, but I put the tarballs in /home/paulf/download. I also have a /home/paulf/docs subdirectory which contains not only my misc spreadsheets and documents, but also hard-to-find documents on various subjects. That way, if when I upgrade or change distros, I just scoop up everything in /home/paulf and restore it after the upgrade. Likewise, I put software I install into /usr/local/bin, unless it's something huge like Star Office, Applix, etc. The FHS isn't clear on the difference between /opt and /usr/local, since in the former case it refers to "add on application software packages", and in the latter it is simply additional software the system administrator may install. Also, /opt directories generally aren't writable by regular users, where /home/whoever is. Note: except for my comments about the FHS above, everything else is my _opinion_. Yours may vary from mine, and no one is obligated to follow the FHS. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Fri Apr 27 17:12:28 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23629 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:12:28 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23626 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:12:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE9E0BC.6FF76538@illusionary.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:12:28 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <3AE7E8EF.57ADF976@earthlink.net> <3AE83EC0.D313D464@illusionary.com> <20010426175327.A12468@quillandmouse.com> <3AE93CCD.FECB2118@earthlink.net> <3AE98C72.5B30EC65@illusionary.com> <20010427154656.A12682@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > > [....] > > Note: except for my comments about the FHS above, everything else is my > _opinion_. Yours may vary from mine, and no one is obligated to follow > the FHS. Good god, man! You are honestly _admitting_ that you are stating an opinion and NOT presenting it as absolute fact!?! You've left me with no other choice. 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------ :) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:19:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Disposition-Notification-To: "patrick grantham" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net don't be vulgar, jerk! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help My Pipes are leaking ------ :) > backing up is unnecessary and completely useless. quit being a pussy and just have all of the software that you need lined up. the only thing that could be worth backing up are work related or secure files; just put those on a cd-rw. > > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 28 01:33:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26408 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:33:47 -0400 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AE9E0BC.6FF76538@illusionary.com>; from dglidden@illusionary.com on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:12:28PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:12:28PM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > [....] > > > > Note: except for my comments about the FHS above, everything else is my > > _opinion_. Yours may vary from mine, and no one is obligated to follow > > the FHS. > > Good god, man! You are honestly _admitting_ that you are stating an > opinion and NOT presenting it as absolute fact!?! > > You've left me with no other choice. Please turn in your "Snooty UNIX > Guy" propeller beanie at your earliest opportunity.... > I'll bring it to the next meeting. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 28 01:35:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26426 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:35:49 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26423 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:35:49 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA16359 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14tMXp-0003We-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:41:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:41:21 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Polo Shirt update Message-ID: <20010428004121.D12682@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <3AE8DDDA.79B9E30F@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from wstein@wstein.net on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 01:48:45AM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 01:48:45AM -0400, Paul W Weinstein wrote: > did I put my name into the pool for one???? > Yep. Paul > Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > Polo shirts are now on order. We needed to order in lots of 12, and > > there were 40 orders, so I ordered an extra 8 in various (popular) sizes > > and colors. Shirts should be ready in a couple of weeks. > > > > If you haven't sent your money, do so. I have only received maybe a > > quarter of the money needed. > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 28 08:17:06 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30990 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:17:06 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA30987 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:17:06 -0400 Received: from web210.mail.yahoo.com (web210.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.110]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id IAA19539 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26912 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2001 12:17:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20010428121701.26911.qmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.84.253.16] by web210.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 05:17:01 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 05:17:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Manchester Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help My Pipes are leaking ------ :) To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well I know that's what the message leads you to believe. But the question is why? Flexbackup is and has scanned multiple tapes in the past. So I'm not sure if it's the tape or the hard disk that is full? Though I can't believe that I done have enough room on my hard drives to backup a file with compression. Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hdb2 3.3G 1.7G 1.4G 55% / /dev/hdb3 1.9G 50M 1.8G 3% /62home /dev/hda2 3.1G 2.1G 943M 70% /62root /dev/hdb6 593M 2.9M 559M 1% /boot /dev/hda1 1.9G 1.4G 606M 70% /c /dev/hdb5 622M 486M 136M 79% /d /dev/hdb4 20G 2.7G 16G 14% /data /dev/hdb7 1.9G 71M 1.7G 4% /home /dev/sdb4 96M 11M 84M 12% /zip /dev/sda4 1021M 588M 433M 58% /jaz --- Mark wrote: > > > The device you are backing up to is full. > > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Michael Manchester wrote: > > > I've been trying to make a backup of my system for > > last 4 days and can't. I'm using Flexbackup and > have > > used this program in the past with no problem. But > now > > I keep getting "Broken Pipe" errors. The exact > message > > is. > > > > buffer (writer): write of data failed: No space > left > > on device > > bytes to write=65536, bytes written=-1, total > written > > 64K > > afio: "-": Broken pipe > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | > Computer Engineer | > | 813.258.2390 | > Network Engineer | > | http://bish.net | > Embedded Programmer | > ===== --------------------------------- The requirements said "Windows 95/98/NT or better" So I installed Linux --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 28 08:40:27 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31116 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:40:27 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31113 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:40:26 -0400 Received: from knuth.bish.net ([208.139.225.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id IAA19669 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knuth.bish.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id IAA06503 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:19:43 -0400 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:19:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help My Pipes are leaking ------ :) In-Reply-To: <20010428121701.26911.qmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If you want to backup make sure you are skipping over the /proc directory. On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Michael Manchester wrote: > Well I know that's what the message leads you to > believe. But the question is why? Flexbackup is and > has scanned multiple tapes in the past. So I'm not > sure if it's the tape or the hard disk that is full? > Though I can't believe that I done have enough room on > my hard drives to backup a file with compression. > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hdb2 3.3G 1.7G 1.4G 55% / > /dev/hdb3 1.9G 50M 1.8G 3% /62home > /dev/hda2 3.1G 2.1G 943M 70% /62root > /dev/hdb6 593M 2.9M 559M 1% /boot > /dev/hda1 1.9G 1.4G 606M 70% /c > /dev/hdb5 622M 486M 136M 79% /d > /dev/hdb4 20G 2.7G 16G 14% /data > /dev/hdb7 1.9G 71M 1.7G 4% /home > /dev/sdb4 96M 11M 84M 12% /zip > /dev/sda4 1021M 588M 433M 58% /jaz > > --- Mark wrote: > > > > > > The device you are backing up to is full. > > > > > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Michael Manchester wrote: > > > > > I've been trying to make a backup of my system for > > > last 4 days and can't. I'm using Flexbackup and > > have > > > used this program in the past with no problem. But > > now > > > I keep getting "Broken Pipe" errors. The exact > > message > > > is. > > > > > > buffer (writer): write of data failed: No space > > left > > > on device > > > bytes to write=65536, bytes written=-1, total > > written > > > 64K > > > afio: "-": Broken pipe > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | > > Computer Engineer | > > | 813.258.2390 | > > Network Engineer | > > | http://bish.net | > > Embedded Programmer | > > > > > ===== > --------------------------------- > The requirements said > "Windows 95/98/NT or better" > So I installed Linux > --------------------------------- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | | 813.258.2390 | Network Engineer | | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 28 09:01:50 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31311 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 09:01:50 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31308 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 09:01:49 -0400 Received: from web217.mail.yahoo.com (web217.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.117]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id JAA19808 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 09:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18027 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2001 13:01:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20010428130148.18026.qmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.84.253.16] by web217.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 06:01:48 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 06:01:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Manchester Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help My Pipes are leaking ------ :) To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mark Thanks for the helpful Info, unlike another responsive I received to my request for help. I sure hope that response wasn't the new direction this board is taking. I was only asking for help, not the merits of backups and such a rude respones. Again, Thanks I'll give this a try, as I wasn't skipping that directory. Mike Manchester --- Mark wrote: > > > If you want to backup make sure you are skipping > over the /proc directory. -------------------- > > > | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | > > > > Computer Engineer | > > > | 813.258.2390 | > > > > Network Engineer | > > > | http://bish.net | > > > > Embedded Programmer | > > > > > > > > > ===== > > --------------------------------- > > The requirements said > > "Windows 95/98/NT or better" > > So I installed Linux > > --------------------------------- > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | > Computer Engineer | > | 813.258.2390 | > Network Engineer | > | http://bish.net | > Embedded Programmer | > > > ===== --------------------------------- The requirements said "Windows 95/98/NT or better" So I installed Linux --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 28 10:59:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA32033 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:59:22 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32030 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:59:22 -0400 From: guinness@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA20503 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3SExBO08428 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200104281459.f3SExBO08428@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Playstation 2 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:59:11 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net DOH > You need to add an "L" to the end of that address like this: > http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/2001/16/ns-22480.html > Jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 7:12 AM > Subject: [SLUG] Linux on Playstation 2 > > > > http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/2001/16/ns-22480.htm > > > > Its a good read but Sony is only releaseing it in Japan right now. I sent > an e- > > mail of to playstation US feedback asking to release it in the states. > > > > Sean > > > > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 28 11:47:25 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32307 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:47:25 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32304 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:47:24 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f171.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.171]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA20771 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:46:53 -0700 Received: from 24.28.62.204 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:46:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.28.62.204] From: "jason smith" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:46:53 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2001 15:46:53.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[727C0D40:01C0CFFA] Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net

has anyone actually made this box that you know of or could anyone tell me a good place to find the parts neaded to build this box. i have been looking to buy a new one and this may be my chance any direction you caqn point me to is good

>From: "Bill Preece"
>Reply-To: slug@nks.net
>To:
>Subject: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box?????
>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:00:25 -0400
>
>This was a story on Linuxtoday's web site. I thought that anyone
>wanting to try to build a cheap and cool Linux Box would want to
>read this story.
>
>http://www.signalground.com/article/3165805434
>
>Basically for around $475.00 This guy built a good and cheap
>S.u.S.E. <--Smile Ed and Norb Linux Box how ever you should be
>able to use the same parts for just about any current Distro.
>
>How ever my self I would recommend the S.u.S.E. if you want a ton of
>cool apps already to install.
>
>750mhz Duron with some good basic parts.
>
>Note if you look at thompsons web site open to public you can
>maybe find a better hard drive deal.
>www.tcwo.com
>
>Local distributor open to the public.
>


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From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 28 13:36:24 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00565 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:36:24 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00562 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:36:23 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA21448 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newcomputer (653269hfc15.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.69.15]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3SHaMO18622 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000f01c0d009$743223e0$0f452041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:34:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0CFE7.ECF75100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0CFE7.ECF75100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jason , You can get the parts here in town and build almost same machine except = you can get a 20 gig hard drive and 52x cd rom and use a isa modem for = around 450.00 750 mhz duron , 8 meg ati card , 20 gig wd drive udma 66 <--New , 128 = meg pc 133 ram Biostar mother board that supports both duron and athlon = up to 1.3ghz 52 x cd rom isa 56 v.90 will work with all distro mother board has usb = and sound card , floppy case , surrond speaker key mouse , and this = place is on town open to public. do some checking not bad for the same = price you can go to a 950 mhz duron that would kick some serious A*$. I = priced it out , I would take the Isa modem over usb because you can get = 10 gig hard drive space and with Suse professional that would be a good = thing to have. web site for Thomsons is www.tcwo.com they are open on saturdays too. and take credit cards just don't tell = your girlfriend or wife that ;-} -----Original Message----- From: jason smith To: slug@nks.net Date: Saturday, April 28, 2001 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? =20 =20 has anyone actually made this box that you know of or could anyone = tell me a good place to find the parts neaded to build this box. i have = been looking to buy a new one and this may be my chance any direction = you caqn point me to is good =20 =20 >From: "Bill Preece"=20 >Reply-To: slug@nks.net=20 >To:=20 >Subject: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box?????=20 >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:00:25 -0400=20 >=20 >This was a story on Linuxtoday's web site. I thought that anyone=20 >wanting to try to build a cheap and cool Linux Box would want to=20 >read this story.=20 >=20 >http://www.signalground.com/article/3165805434=20 >=20 >Basically for around $475.00 This guy built a good and cheap=20 >S.u.S.E. <--Smile Ed and Norb Linux Box how ever you should be=20 >able to use the same parts for just about any current Distro.=20 >=20 >How ever my self I would recommend the S.u.S.E. if you want a ton = of=20 >cool apps already to install.=20 >=20 >750mhz Duron with some good basic parts.=20 >=20 >Note if you look at thompsons web site open to public you can=20 >maybe find a better hard drive deal.=20 >www.tcwo.com=20 >=20 >Local distributor open to the public.=20 >=20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- =20 Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0CFE7.ECF75100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jason ,
 
You can get the parts here in town and build almost = same=20 machine except you can get a 20 gig hard drive and 52x cd rom and use a = isa=20 modem for around 450.00
750 mhz duron = , 8 meg ati=20 card , 20 gig wd drive udma 66 <--New , 128 meg pc 133 ram Biostar = mother=20 board that supports both duron and athlon up to 1.3ghz
52 x cd rom = isa 56 v.90 will=20 work with all distro mother board has usb and sound card , floppy case , = surrond=20 speaker key mouse , and this place is on town open to public. do some = checking=20 not bad for the same price you can go to a 950 mhz duron that would kick = some=20 serious A*$. I priced it out , I would take the Isa modem over usb = because you=20 can get 10 gig hard drive space and with Suse professional  that = would be a=20 good thing to have. web site for Thomsons is www.tcwo.com
 
they are open on saturdays too. and = take credit=20 cards just don't tell your girlfriend or wife that ;-}
 
 
 
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 jason smith <kem1kal@hotmail.com>
To:= =20 slug@nks.net <slug@nks.net>
Date: = Saturday,=20 April 28, 2001 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Want a Cheap = Linux=20 Box?????

has anyone actually made this box that you know of or could = anyone tell=20 me a good place to find the parts neaded to build this box. i have = been=20 looking to buy a new one and this may be my chance any direction you = caqn=20 point me to is good

>From: "Bill = Preece"=20
>Reply-To: slug@nks.net=20
>To:=20
>Subject: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box?????=20
>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:00:25 -0400=20
>=20
>This was a story on Linuxtoday's web site. I thought = that=20 anyone=20
>wanting to try to build a cheap and cool Linux Box = would want=20 to=20
>read this story.=20
>=20
>http://www.signalground.com/article/3165805434=20
>=20
>Basically for around $475.00 This guy built a good = and cheap=20
>S.u.S.E. <--Smile Ed and Norb Linux Box how ever = you=20 should be=20
>able to use the same parts for just about any current = Distro.=20 =20
>=20
>How ever my self I would recommend the S.u.S.E. if = you want a=20 ton of=20
>cool apps already to install.=20
>=20
>750mhz Duron with some good basic parts.=20
>=20
>Note if you look at thompsons web site open to public = you can=20 =20
>maybe find a better hard drive deal.=20
>www.tcwo.com=20
>=20
>Local distributor open to the public.=20
>=20


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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0CFE7.ECF75100-- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 28 13:45:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00625 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:45:49 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00622 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:45:49 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA21519 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rr (242840hfc191.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.40.191]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3SHjmO20707 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01c0d00a$53d51de0$0401a8c0@rr> From: "Todd" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:40:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tigerdirect.com usually has good prices on mobo/processor combos and good prices on ram. They are average to high on almost everything else tho. http://www.computerheaven.com has good deals on case and also has some sweet looking custom type cases that arent too bad. for everything else try buy.com and atacom.com they have pretty good prices on somestuff.....you have to be careful tho and get the bulk of stuff at whereever has the best average price or shipping will eat you up. Todd >has anyone actually made this box that you know of or could anyone tell me a >good place to find the parts neaded to build this box. i have been looking to >buy a new one and this may be my chance any direction you caqn point me to >is good From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 28 13:53:30 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00695 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:53:30 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00692 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:53:30 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id OAA21563 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blitzk ([65.32.79.192]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with SMTP id <20010428175329.QECA294.flmta01@blitzk> for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:53:29 -0400 Message-ID: <009c01c0d00c$3bfcebb0$c04f2041@blitzk> From: "BlitzK" To: References: <000c01c0d00a$53d51de0$0401a8c0@rr> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:54:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Tigerdirect.com usually has good prices on mobo/processor combos and good > prices on ram. I wouldn't order from them.. If you need something locally I'd go with TCWO like suggested by someone else. If you don't mind ordering via mail-order (99% of the stuff I buy is from online stores) I'd check out http://www.pricewatch.com -BK From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 28 14:06:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00818 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:06:04 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00815 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:06:03 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id OAA21645 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newcomputer (653269hfc15.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.69.15]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3SI62O25343 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000b01c0d00d$99811620$0f452041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:03:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I do not know about most I do not buy stuff that I can not look at it and take it back to them if defective. Also you pay shipping that way. You will find if you look around our area you will usually find the best deals in places here in the Tampa Area. I know I use to build and sell systems. I did that for 3 years Tampa is one of the cheapest places you will find. You can get ram here without shipping. I can get pc 133 128meg dimms for $35.00 Micron at that . I would only use tiger or the others if i did not have shops around where I lived. Also if you get a defective part you have to rma and wait days to exchange and then hope it gets to you in one piece. -----Original Message----- From: Todd To: slug@nks.net Date: Saturday, April 28, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? >Tigerdirect.com usually has good prices on mobo/processor combos and good >prices on ram. They are average to high on almost everything else tho. >http://www.computerheaven.com has good deals on case and also has some sweet >looking custom type cases that arent too bad. for everything else try >buy.com and atacom.com they have pretty good prices on somestuff.....you >have to be careful tho and get the bulk of stuff at whereever has the best >average price or shipping will eat you up. > >Todd > >>has anyone actually made this box that you know of or could anyone tell me >a >>good place to find the parts neaded to build this box. i have been looking >to > >buy a new one and this may be my chance any direction you caqn point me to > >is good > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 28 14:13:15 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00863 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:13:15 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00860 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:13:14 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id OAA21683 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.localdomain ([24.129.149.50]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with SMTP id <20010428181313.QIDB294.flmta01@home.localdomain> for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:13:13 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Seth To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:14:26 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <000c01c0d00a$53d51de0$0401a8c0@rr> <009c01c0d00c$3bfcebb0$c04f2041@blitzk> In-Reply-To: <009c01c0d00c$3bfcebb0$c04f2041@blitzk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042814142602.01865@home.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I always like techbargains.com -- Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. Seth seth@hollen.org From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 28 18:18:53 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02543 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:18:53 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02540 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:18:53 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA23340 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athlon133 ([65.32.59.51]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with SMTP id <20010428221851.SKKO294.flmta01@athlon133> for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:18:51 -0400 From: "Paul W Weinstein" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:18:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C0D00F.B01D4910" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 In-Reply-To: <000f01c0d009$743223e0$0f452041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C0D00F.B01D4910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TCWO is one of the best places around for parts. They are cheap and they are local. The only other place that is cheaper here in Tampa as ASI but you have to be a business to purchase from them (that is where TCWO gets a lot of their stuff). Plus TCWO is pretty good about taking back defective merchandise. that is my 2 cents worth Paul W CCNA, MCSE, A+, Network+ -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Bpreece Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 1:34 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? Jason , You can get the parts here in town and build almost same machine except you can get a 20 gig hard drive and 52x cd rom and use a isa modem for around 450.00 750 mhz duron , 8 meg ati card , 20 gig wd drive udma 66 <--New , 128 meg pc 133 ram Biostar mother board that supports both duron and athlon up to 1.3ghz 52 x cd rom isa 56 v.90 will work with all distro mother board has usb and sound card , floppy case , surrond speaker key mouse , and this place is on town open to public. do some checking not bad for the same price you can go to a 950 mhz duron that would kick some serious A*$. I priced it out , I would take the Isa modem over usb because you can get 10 gig hard drive space and with Suse professional that would be a good thing to have. web site for Thomsons is www.tcwo.com they are open on saturdays too. and take credit cards just don't tell your girlfriend or wife that ;-} -----Original Message----- From: jason smith To: slug@nks.net Date: Saturday, April 28, 2001 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? has anyone actually made this box that you know of or could anyone tell me a good place to find the parts neaded to build this box. i have been looking to buy a new one and this may be my chance any direction you caqn point me to is good >From: "Bill Preece" >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: >Subject: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:00:25 -0400 > >This was a story on Linuxtoday's web site. I thought that anyone >wanting to try to build a cheap and cool Linux Box would want to >read this story. > >http://www.signalground.com/article/3165805434 > >Basically for around $475.00 This guy built a good and cheap >S.u.S.E. <--Smile Ed and Norb Linux Box how ever you should be >able to use the same parts for just about any current Distro. > >How ever my self I would recommend the S.u.S.E. if you want a ton of >cool apps already to install. > >750mhz Duron with some good basic parts. > >Note if you look at thompsons web site open to public you can >maybe find a better hard drive deal. >www.tcwo.com > >Local distributor open to the public. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C0D00F.B01D4910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
TCWO=20 is one of the best places around for parts.  They are cheap and = they are=20 local.  The only other place that is cheaper here in Tampa as ASI = but you=20 have to be a business to purchase from them (that is where TCWO gets a = lot of=20 their stuff).  Plus TCWO is pretty good about taking back defective = merchandise.
 
that=20 is my 2 cents worth
Paul=20 W
CCNA,=20 MCSE, A+, Network+
-----Original Message-----
From: slug@nks.net=20 [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Bpreece
Sent: = Saturday,=20 April 28, 2001 1:34 PM
To: slug@nks.net
Subject: = Re:=20 [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box?????

Jason ,
 
You can get the parts here in town and build = almost same=20 machine except you can get a 20 gig hard drive and 52x cd rom and use = a isa=20 modem for around 450.00
750 mhz = duron , 8 meg ati=20 card , 20 gig wd drive udma 66 <--New , 128 meg pc 133 ram Biostar = mother=20 board that supports both duron and athlon up to 1.3ghz
52 x cd rom = isa 56 v.90=20 will work with all distro mother board has usb and sound card , floppy = case ,=20 surrond speaker key mouse , and this place is on town open to public. = do some=20 checking not bad for the same price you can go to a 950 mhz duron that = would=20 kick some serious A*$. I priced it out , I would take the Isa modem = over usb=20 because you can get 10 gig hard drive space and with Suse = professional =20 that would be a good thing to have. web site for Thomsons is www.tcwo.com
 
they are open on saturdays too. = and take=20 credit cards just don't tell your girlfriend or wife that = ;-}
 
 
 
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 jason smith <kem1kal@hotmail.com>
To:= =20 slug@nks.net <slug@nks.net>
Date: = Saturday,=20 April 28, 2001 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Want a Cheap = Linux=20 Box?????

has anyone actually made this box that you know of or could = anyone tell=20 me a good place to find the parts neaded to build this box. i have = been=20 looking to buy a new one and this may be my chance any direction you = caqn=20 point me to is good

>From: "Bill Preece"=20
>Reply-To: slug@nks.net=20
>To:=20
>Subject: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box?????=20
>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:00:25 -0400=20
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>This was a story on Linuxtoday's web site. I thought = that=20 anyone=20
>wanting to try to build a cheap and cool Linux Box = would want=20 to=20
>read this story.=20
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>http://www.signalground.com/article/3165805434=20
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>Basically for around $475.00 This guy built a good = and cheap=20
>S.u.S.E. <--Smile Ed and Norb Linux Box how ever = you=20 should be=20
>able to use the same parts for just about any current = Distro.=20
>=20
>How ever my self I would recommend the S.u.S.E. if = you want a=20 ton of=20
>cool apps already to install.=20
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>750mhz Duron with some good basic parts.=20
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>Note if you look at thompsons web site open to public = you can=20
>maybe find a better hard drive deal.=20
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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C0D00F.B01D4910-- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 28 18:56:34 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02823 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:56:34 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02820 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:56:34 -0400 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA23584 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (dialup-63.208.29.124.Tampa1.Level3.net [63.208.29.124]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12383 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AEB4A8C.2F5EDD55@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:56:12 -0400 From: "sotl155360@earthlink.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, en-US, en-GB, es, es-ES, ex-MX, es-AR, es-CO MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Paul W Weinstein wrote: > > TCWO is one of the best places around for parts. They are cheap and > they are local. The only other place that is cheaper here in Tampa as > ASI but you have to be a business to purchase from them (that is where > TCWO gets a lot of their stuff). Does any one have a location or web site on ASI. Thanks Frank From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 28 22:17:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04001 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 22:17:58 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03998 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 22:17:58 -0400 Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA24673 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 22:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.33.36.22] (tamqfl1-ar1-036-022.elnk.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.36.22]) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25841 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104290217.TAA25841@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 22:17:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, I do appreciate all of this discussion on partitioning. I had sorta figured it out before, but now I have a completely new perspective. Maybe I can buy a propeller hat, too? Russell -- ____________________________________________________ _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" ---------- >From: Paul M Foster >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations >Date: Sat, Apr 28, 2001, 0:39 > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:12:28PM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > >> Paul M Foster wrote: >> > >> > [....] >> > >> > Note: except for my comments about the FHS above, everything else is my >> > _opinion_. Yours may vary from mine, and no one is obligated to follow >> > the FHS. >> >> Good god, man! You are honestly _admitting_ that you are stating an >> opinion and NOT presenting it as absolute fact!?! >> >> You've left me with no other choice. Please turn in your "Snooty UNIX >> Guy" propeller beanie at your earliest opportunity.... >> > > I'll bring it to the next meeting. > > Paul > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sat Apr 28 22:42:28 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04192 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 22:42:28 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04189 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 22:42:27 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA24866 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 22:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rr (242840hfc191.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.40.191]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3T2gQO12993 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 22:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001001c0d055$4882c0a0$0401a8c0@rr> From: "Todd" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 22:37:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net all you need to be a business is to go down to office depot, kinkos, or some place like that and have some business cards printed up and poof you are a business. Todd > TCWO is one of the best places around for parts. They are cheap and they > are local. The only other place that is cheaper here in Tampa as ASI but > you have to be a business to purchase from them (that is where TCWO gets a > lot of their stuff). Plus TCWO is pretty good about taking back defective > merchandise. > > that is my 2 cents worth > Paul W > CCNA, MCSE, A+, Network+ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 00:07:11 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04872 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:07:11 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04869 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:07:10 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA25536 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newcomputer (653269hfc15.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.69.15]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3T46xO01052 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801c0d061$8c541660$0f452041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:04:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Todd that is not always true most of the distributors ask for a tax id and a copy of your bussiness license. so it is not always that easy. Mb's you must provide proof in these forms. -----Original Message----- From: Todd To: slug@nks.net Date: Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? >all you need to be a business is to go down to office depot, kinkos, or some >place like that and have some business cards printed up and poof you are a >business. > >Todd > >> TCWO is one of the best places around for parts. They are cheap and they >> are local. The only other place that is cheaper here in Tampa as ASI but >> you have to be a business to purchase from them (that is where TCWO gets a >> lot of their stuff). Plus TCWO is pretty good about taking back defective >> merchandise. >> >> that is my 2 cents worth >> Paul W >> CCNA, MCSE, A+, Network+ > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 00:08:48 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04919 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:08:48 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04916 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:08:47 -0400 Received: from sigbus.com (c1519629-a.almda1.sfba.home.com [65.11.126.231]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA25558 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zinc-zag.com (cable8-143.gte.net [24.96.37.143]) by sigbus.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3T49Cn50824 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:09:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from groovus@zinc-zag.com) Message-ID: <3AEB90D2.361258D3@zinc-zag.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 23:56:02 -0400 From: TimG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] 20" Monitors References: <001001c0d055$4882c0a0$0401a8c0@rr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey guys, I have been lurking for a couple weeks'ish or so on the list. I am from the FreeBSD camp but have been playing with Linux a lot lately... So HELLO to you all! The reason for this post is that many of us went the OSS route to save a few bucks. Well recently I bought a 20" HP monitor from a guy in the Tampa paper. It was an HP A4033A and is great! It looked like it had a Sony Trinitron picture tube (and the Web confirmed this). I am pushing it at 1280x1024 but have read that it will do 1600x1200 too. Here is the best part, I paid $150.00 bucks for it and that included a new cable that has VGA on one end and what looks like five BNC connectors on the other that goes to the monitor. I am head over heals about this and went back and bought a second! ...and he has more... still has quite a few of them he says. If interested his number is (813) 899-9438. I do not remember his name (starts with an "R" I think). But if you just say "...calling about the monitors..." like I did on the second call they knew what I was talking about. Oh, one "bad" thing about them is they are kinda heavy. I'd guess around 70lbs... but that is SOOOOO minor considering the big picture (pun intended!!!). Sorry if this sounds like a push-- but it really is not, just an overly happy dual head Linux monitor user :) Man, don't know how I ever lived with a single display! Thanks all! And keep up the good topics-- I am trying to catalog it all in. /tg From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 00:56:25 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05447 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:56:25 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05444 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:56:24 -0400 Received: from asmodean.nks.net (asmodean.nks.net [216.139.201.16]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA25974 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 01:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop1pub.verizon.net (smtppop1pub.gte.net [206.46.170.20]) by asmodean.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32035 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:56:04 -0400 Received: from GTE.gte.net (1Cust254.tnt3.new-port-richey.fl.da.uu.net [63.11.38.254]) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id XAA92661582 Sat, 28 Apr 2001 23:48:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010429004306.00a58d30@mail.gte.net> X-Sender: GTE/vzn05pmh@mail.gte.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:52:06 -0400 To: slug@nks.net From: "Maureen L. Thomas" Subject: [SLUG] Cheap Box Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I just rebuilt my old PII 300, to a Duron 850. I bought a FIC motherboard for $99 and the Duron 850 processor with heat sink for $90, both from an auction house (Ubid.com). I then purchased a new power box $40, and a 256 MB 133MHz ram chip ($90 with rebate) from a local store. I used the same modem and video (Voodoo 3 3000). The mother board had a sound chip in it and since we don't do a lot of gaming that was OK. I can always disable the chip and put in a sound board at a later date. So for less than $400 dollars I now have a faster machine and can always upgrade the CPU to an Anthlon 1.2 GHz later. I bought the pieces as I could afford them so it took about 6 weeks. I did have to flash the BIOS because the motherboard had a VIA 686B southbridge, but I accomplished that (thankfully with help from everyone) and now I am running a dual boot with no problems at all. Oh, and I added a 40GB WD ATA100 drive and got rid of my 6.2 GB drive. Thanks for everyones help with the BIOS. It runs great now. Moe From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 02:22:31 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06448 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 02:22:31 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06445 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 02:22:31 -0400 Received: from web5407.mail.yahoo.com (web5407.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.199]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id CAA26992 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 02:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010429062230.88296.qmail@web5407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.8.228.146] by web5407.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 23:22:30 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 23:22:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Chabot Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Box To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010429004306.00a58d30@mail.gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1315634022-988525350=:87527" Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --0-1315634022-988525350=:87527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey Tom I'm new to SLUG and I'm just wondering whats all the hardware info for and why most email's don't involve helping newbie's w/ basic Linux problems that inevitably arise while trying to learn it. By the way I always check Tomshardware.com for the latest trends and reviews of everything related to hardware. He's very reliable and up-to-date concerning motherboards. See ya Brian "Maureen L. Thomas" wrote: I just rebuilt my old PII 300, to a Duron 850. I bought a FIC motherboard for $99 and the Duron 850 processor with heat sink for $90, both from an auction house (Ubid.com). I then purchased a new power box $40, and a 256 MB 133MHz ram chip ($90 with rebate) from a local store. I used the same modem and video (Voodoo 3 3000). The mother board had a sound chip in it and since we don't do a lot of gaming that was OK. I can always disable the chip and put in a sound board at a later date. So for less than $400 dollars I now have a faster machine and can always upgrade the CPU to an Anthlon 1.2 GHz later. I bought the pieces as I could afford them so it took about 6 weeks. I did have to flash the BIOS because the motherboard had a VIA 686B southbridge, but I accomplished that (thankfully with help from everyone) and now I am running a dual boot with no problems at all. Oh, and I added a 40GB WD ATA100 drive and got rid of my 6.2 GB drive. Thanks for everyones help with the BIOS. It runs great now. Moe --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices --0-1315634022-988525350=:87527 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


Hey Tom

I'm new to SLUG and I'm just wondering whats all the hardware info for and why most email's don't involve helping newbie's w/ basic Linux problems that inevitably arise while trying to learn it. By the way I always check Tomshardware.com for the latest trends and reviews of everything related to hardware.  He's very reliable and up-to-date concerning motherboards.  See ya Brian

  "Maureen L. Thomas" <elgato@gte.net> wrote:

I just rebuilt my old PII 300, to a Duron 850. I bought a FIC motherboard
for $99 and the Duron 850 processor with heat sink for $90, both from an
auction house (Ubid.com). I then purchased a new power box $40, and a 256
MB 133MHz ram chip ($90 with rebate) from a local store. I used the same
modem and video (Voodoo 3 3000). The mother board had a sound chip in it
and since we don't do a lot of gaming that was OK. I can always disable
the chip and put in a sound board at a later date. So for less than $400
dollars I now have a faster machine and can always upgrade the CPU to an
Anthlon 1.2 GHz later. I bought the pieces as I could afford them so it
took about 6 weeks.

I did have to flash the BIOS because the motherboard had a VIA 686B
southbridge, but I accomplished that (thankfully with help from everyone)
and now I am running a dual boot ! with no problems at all. Oh, and I added
a 40GB WD ATA100 drive and got rid of my 6.2 GB drive.

Thanks for everyones help with the BIOS. It runs great now.
Moe



Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices --0-1315634022-988525350=:87527-- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 03:12:45 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07114 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 03:12:45 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07111 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 03:12:44 -0400 Received: from operamail.com ([199.29.68.126]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id DAA27568 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 03:21:13 -0400 (EDT) X-WM-Posted-At: operamail.com; Fri, 27 Apr 01 13:06:48 -0400 X-WebMail-UserID: erler Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:06:48 -0400 From: Erle Robinson To: slug@nks.net X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00000000 Subject: [SLUG] Dunedin Meeting Message-ID: <3B271281@operamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.08 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi, Is there a meeting tomorrow in Dunedin? If yes, what time? Thank You Erle From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 03:49:02 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07397 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 03:49:02 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07394 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 03:49:01 -0400 Received: from web5409.mail.yahoo.com (web5409.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.201]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id DAA27827 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 03:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010429074900.55739.qmail@web5409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.8.228.146] by web5409.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:49:00 PDT Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:49:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Chabot Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dunedin Meeting To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3B271281@operamail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1091920569-988530540=:54923" Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --0-1091920569-988530540=:54923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't know sorry I live in NPRichey Erle Robinson wrote: Hi, Is there a meeting tomorrow in Dunedin? If yes, what time? Thank You Erle --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices --0-1091920569-988530540=:54923 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


I don't know sorry I live in NPRichey

  Erle Robinson <erler@operamail.com> wrote:

Hi,
Is there a meeting tomorrow in Dunedin?
If yes, what time?
Thank You
Erle



Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices --0-1091920569-988530540=:54923-- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 09:04:39 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09830 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:04:39 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09827 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:04:38 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA00160 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (dialup-63.208.206.115.Tampa1.Level3.net [63.208.206.115]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22887 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 06:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AEC1159.6E5F79C0@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:04:25 -0400 From: "sotl155360@earthlink.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, en-US, en-GB, es, es-ES, ex-MX, es-AR, es-CO MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations References: <200104290217.TAA25841@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Question how long (in days) should it take to format a 45 GB hard drive? 1, 2 4 , 10 et. Thanks Frank Russell Hires wrote: > > Well, I do appreciate all of this discussion on partitioning. I had sorta > figured it out before, but now I have a completely new perspective. Maybe I > can buy a propeller hat, too? > > Russell > -- > ____________________________________________________ > _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" > _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" > > ---------- > >From: Paul M Foster > >To: slug@nks.net > >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations > >Date: Sat, Apr 28, 2001, 0:39 > > > > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:12:28PM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > >> Paul M Foster wrote: > >> > > >> > [....] > >> > > >> > Note: except for my comments about the FHS above, everything else is my > >> > _opinion_. Yours may vary from mine, and no one is obligated to follow > >> > the FHS. > >> > >> Good god, man! You are honestly _admitting_ that you are stating an > >> opinion and NOT presenting it as absolute fact!?! > >> > >> You've left me with no other choice. Please turn in your "Snooty UNIX > >> Guy" propeller beanie at your earliest opportunity.... > >> > > > > I'll bring it to the next meeting. > > > > Paul > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 09:06:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09858 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:06:08 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09855 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:06:08 -0400 Received: from chaossolutions.org (server.chaossolutions.org [216.136.109.158] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA00176 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ChaosSolutions.org by chaossolutions.org with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.1.R) for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:03:22 -0400 From: Martin Randall To: slug@nks.net Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:05:04 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c0d055$4882c0a0$0401a8c0@rr> X-Mailer: YAM 2.2 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-2000 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Subject: [SLUG] Re: Want a Cheap Linux Box????? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Return-Path: marrandy@chaossolutions.org X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: slug@nks.net Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Todd On 28-Apr-01, you wrote: > all you need to be a business is to go down to office depot, kinkos, or > some place like that and have some business cards printed up and poof you > are a business. > > Todd You need a FEI (Federal tax number), a Fl sales tax number if you are selling hardware as opposed to service (which is what ASI is after) and in most cities, an occupational license. Regards...Martin -- --- Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about. -- Green's Law of Debate From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 09:36:48 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10067 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:36:48 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10060 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:36:48 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA00390 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rr (242840hfc191.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.40.191]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3TDalO14886 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701c0d0b0$adceb300$0401a8c0@rr> From: "Todd" To: Subject: [SLUG] KVM cables Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:31:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I just got a KVM off egghead and was wondering if anyone knew a cheap place to get all in one hi res cables. so far the cheapes i have found are on buy.com http://www.us.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10268745&hdwt=30506&loc=14577 if anyone knows of any cheaper ones let me know. Todd From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 09:58:43 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10178 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:58:43 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10175 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:58:43 -0400 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id KAA00513 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.33.36.115] (tamqfl1-ar1-036-115.elnk.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.36.115]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27290 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 06:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104291358.GAA27290@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:58:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hmmm...you mean you want to check for bad blocks on your drive? If so, probably 2-4 days. But with newer drives, you shouldn't have to. With the Debian install, for example, you can skip that all together. Partitioning just involves telling hard-drive/OS where everything is located on the drive, and the names of those locations. If you do that via pdisk/fdisk or other partition utility, the length of time it would take to format is about as long as it takes for you to figure out how big you want each partition, and then figuring out how to translate 512 byte block sizes into MB or GB (which I never do well with, even though I can do the math... ;-) I usually guesstimate, figuring that 2,000,000 512 byte blocks = 1 MB. I then check to see if I'm write/right, and if not, I start over for that partition till it's about right. Then I move on to the next until I'm done, or realize that I need more or less room...so I guess it's trial and error for me. HTH Russell ____________________________________________________ _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" ---------- >From: "sotl155360@earthlink.net" >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations >Date: Sun, Apr 29, 2001, 9:04 > > Question how long (in days) should it take to format a 45 GB hard drive? > 1, 2 4 , 10 et. > > Thanks > Frank > > > Russell Hires wrote: >> >> Well, I do appreciate all of this discussion on partitioning. I had sorta >> figured it out before, but now I have a completely new perspective. Maybe I >> can buy a propeller hat, too? >> >> Russell >> -- >> ____________________________________________________ >> _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" >> _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" >> >> ---------- >> >From: Paul M Foster >> >To: slug@nks.net >> >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations >> >Date: Sat, Apr 28, 2001, 0:39 >> > >> >> > On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:12:28PM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: >> > >> >> Paul M Foster wrote: >> >> > >> >> > [....] >> >> > >> >> > Note: except for my comments about the FHS above, everything else is my >> >> > _opinion_. Yours may vary from mine, and no one is obligated to follow >> >> > the FHS. >> >> >> >> Good god, man! You are honestly _admitting_ that you are stating an >> >> opinion and NOT presenting it as absolute fact!?! >> >> >> >> You've left me with no other choice. Please turn in your "Snooty UNIX >> >> Guy" propeller beanie at your earliest opportunity.... >> >> >> > >> > I'll bring it to the next meeting. >> > >> > Paul >> > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 10:30:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10383 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:30:44 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10380 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:30:44 -0400 Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id KAA00688 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (dialup-63.208.206.115.Tampa1.Level3.net [63.208.206.115]) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28029 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 07:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AEC2586.953F7563@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:30:30 -0400 From: "sotl155360@earthlink.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, en-US, en-GB, es, es-ES, ex-MX, es-AR, es-CO MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] partition References: <200104291358.GAA27290@scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Russell Hires wrote: > > Hmmm...you mean you want to check for bad blocks on your drive? If so, > probably 2-4 days. But with newer drives, you shouldn't have to. With > the Debian install, for example, you can skip that all together. > > Partitioning just involves telling hard-drive/OS where everything is > located on the drive, and the names of those locations. If you do that > via pdisk/fdisk or other partition utility, the length of time it would > take to format is about as long as it takes for you to figure out how > big you want each partition, and then figuring out how to translate 512 > byte block sizes into MB or GB (which I never do well with, even though > I can do the math... ;-) I usually guesstimate, figuring that 2,000,000 > 512 byte blocks = 1 MB. I then check to see if I'm write/right, and if > not, I start over for that partition till it's about right. Then I move > on to the next until I'm done, or realize that I need more or less > room...so I guess it's trial and error for me. > > HTH > > Russell Well not exactly. It appears that I pulled a goof. For RH setup the next screen after the partition screen ask if you want to format the sectors. Not wanting to format anything I checked no but the next screen says that you have to format one partition. Well the first two or three times I installed the system on this drive. This is my play drive where I a change things continuously just to play with the system. Anyway that last time i checked yes to formatting all the partition. That was on Friday afternoon. Formatting has not finished yet. In fact after 30 hours /home which is set at 20 GB had not finished formatting and /usr which is also set at 20 GB had not started so it looks like I am going to be out a computer until Tuesday or Wednesday. Thanks for the info. Frank From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 10:57:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10544 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:57:07 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10541 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:57:07 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA00850 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 11:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newcomputer (653269hfc15.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.69.15]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3TEv5O05422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002c01c0d0bc$5d7435e0$0f452041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Box and Brian's Question Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:55:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0D09A.D6271380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0D09A.D6271380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian , What started this was completely related to Linux. I posted a story on = building a Cheap Linux Box the article was on Linux Today. For $475.00 this guy built a Linux Box to run S.u.S.E. professionla on. = I then posted a link to a local distributor open to the=20 public so you could see for around $450.00 and you could give it more = bang for the buck.=20 Thanks Bill Preece Suncoast Linux Users Group -----Original Message----- From: Brian Chabot To: slug@nks.net Date: Sunday, April 29, 2001 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Box =20 =20 =20 Hey Tom=20 =20 I'm new to SLUG and I'm just wondering whats all the hardware info = for and why most email's don't involve helping newbie's w/ basic Linux = problems that inevitably arise while trying to learn it. By the way I = always check Tomshardware.com for the latest trends and reviews of = everything related to hardware. He's very reliable and up-to-date = concerning motherboards. See ya Brian=20 =20 "Maureen L. Thomas" wrote:=20 =20 =20 I just rebuilt my old PII 300, to a Duron 850. I bought a FIC = motherboard=20 for $99 and the Duron 850 processor with heat sink for $90, both = from an=20 auction house (Ubid.com). I then purchased a new power box $40, = and a 256=20 MB 133MHz ram chip ($90 with rebate) from a local store. I used = the same=20 modem and video (Voodoo 3 3000). The mother board had a sound = chip in it=20 and since we don't do a lot of gaming that was OK. I can always = disable=20 the chip and put in a sound board at a later date. So for less = than $400=20 dollars I now have a faster machine and can always upgrade the = CPU to an=20 Anthlon 1.2 GHz later. I bought the pieces as I could afford = them so it=20 took about 6 weeks. =20 I did have to flash the BIOS because the motherboard had a VIA = 686B=20 southbridge, but I accomplished that (thankfully with help from = everyone)=20 and now I am running a dual boo! t ! ! with no problems at all. = Oh, and I added=20 a 40GB WD ATA100 drive and got rid of my 6.2 GB drive. =20 Thanks for everyones help with the BIOS. It runs great now. Moe =20 =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- =20 Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0D09A.D6271380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Brian ,
 
What started this was completely related to Linux. I = posted a=20 story on building a Cheap Linux Box the article was on Linux = Today.
For $475.00 this guy built a Linux Box to run = S.u.S.E.=20 professionla on. I then posted a link to a local distributor open to the =
public so you could see for around $450.00 and you = could give=20 it more bang for the buck.
 
Thanks
Bill = Preece
Suncoast Linux Users Group
 
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Brian Chabot <tulambin@yahoo.com>
To: = slug@nks.net <slug@nks.net>
Date: = Sunday,=20 April 29, 2001 2:30 AM
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap=20 Box


Hey Tom

I'm new to SLUG and I'm just wondering whats all the = hardware=20 info for and why most email's don't involve helping = newbie's w/=20 basic Linux problems that inevitably arise while trying to = learn=20 it. By the way I always check Tomshardware.com for the latest trends = and=20 reviews of everything related to hardware.  He's=20 very reliable and up-to-date concerning motherboards.  See = ya=20 Brian

  "Maureen L. Thomas" = <elgato@gte.net>=20 wrote:

I=20 just rebuilt my old PII 300, to a Duron 850. I bought a FIC = motherboard=20
for $99 and the Duron 850 processor with heat sink for $90, = both=20 from an
auction house (Ubid.com). I then purchased a new = power box=20 $40, and a 256
MB 133MHz ram chip ($90 with rebate) from a = local=20 store. I used the same
modem and video (Voodoo 3 3000). The = mother=20 board had a sound chip in it
and since we don't do a lot of = gaming=20 that was OK. I can always disable
the chip and put in a = sound board=20 at a later date. So for less than $400
dollars I now have a = faster=20 machine and can always upgrade the CPU to an
Anthlon 1.2 GHz = later.=20 I bought the pieces as I could afford them so it
took about = 6=20 weeks.

I did have to flash the BIOS because the = motherboard had a=20 VIA 686B
southbridge, but I accomplished that (thankfully = with help=20 from everyone)
and now I am running a dual boo! t ! ! with = no=20 problems at all. Oh, and I added
a 40GB WD ATA100 drive and = got rid=20 of my 6.2 GB drive.

Thanks for everyones help with the = BIOS. It=20 runs great now.
Moe



Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo!=20 Auctions - buy the things you want at great=20 prices ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C0D09A.D6271380-- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 11:26:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10734 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 11:26:01 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10731 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 11:26:01 -0400 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id LAA01021 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 11:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc139.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.139) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2001 15:25:59 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEC313D.FE36C89F@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 11:20:29 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Box and Brian's Question References: <002c01c0d0bc$5d7435e0$0f452041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Hey Tom > > I'm new to SLUG and I'm just wondering whats all the > hardware info for and why most email's don't involve helping > newbie's w/ basic Linux problems that inevitably arise while > trying to learn it. By the way I always check > Tomshardware.com for the latest trends and reviews of > everything related to hardware. He's very reliable and > up-to-date concerning motherboards. See ya Brian > Well, do you have any newbie questions? And what do you define as a newbie question? "How do I set up KPPP?" is probably a good newbie question compared to most users. What about "How do I set up DRI?" Setting up your computer to handle 3D graphics, is that Newbie? Compared to someone like Ed or Derek, heck yeah. Compared to me, for example, it might be "the next project" or even "Hey, I just did that", so when a question comes up on it I either pay lots of attention or try to help. This floating standard then applies to other things like "I'm a newbie at GNU/Linux, but not to computers. I want to build a cheap GNU/Linux box < Note, I am a bit anal on the GNU/LINUX-propper name thing, so don't mind me.>. Where can I get some cheap parts?" Is this a newbie question? The truth is that to say that this list is ONLY answering questions to the Linux Newbie would entail us having a list on the Linux kernel - definitely NOT newbie material. Instead, this list is about a revolving set of issues in the GNU/Linux system., including everything from "Hey, how do I get Red Hat to work with Roadrunner" to "I'm having a problem with GTK+..." (yes, that last one is a newbie question, if you're new to GTK). to even "Hi. I've been on this list for a while. How do I recompile the kernel?" The point is that this list is NOT exclusively for newbies. It is actually for the increased flow and expansion of knowledge to and of all its members. A nice side effect is since that all of us have been newbies (except maybe for Ed, who keeps telling me his mom doesn't remember any computer manuals being there at birth, so I suppose even him), we can answer newbie questions (depending on what level of newbies we ourselves are), thereby allowing others who before had no previous knowledge to now begin on the path of attainment of knowledge with the available resource of years of actual human experience on the subject matter. I hope this helped you understand a bit why we discuss what we discuss :) Again, if you have any "newbie" questions, ask. We'll try to answer, or at least point you to the general direction of where you're get the information. P.S. Don't mind all the grammatical errors... I just woke up *yawn* Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 12:11:40 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11004 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 12:11:40 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11001 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 12:11:39 -0400 Received: from tampabaydsl.com (IDENT:root@[4.21.192.229]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id MAA01281 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 12:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.36.122.147] (HELO bumgak.mylan.int) by tampabaydsl.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with SMTP id 575143 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:22:37 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Douglas W Koobs Organization: Dimension Networks, Inc To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] iptables Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 12:10:44 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042912104402.01556@bumgak.mylan.int> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello everyone, I'm attempting to set up a firewall that follows the "deny everything, except what I specify" line of thinking. The specific issue I am working on now involves the FORWARD chain. I have set the default policy like this: iptables -P FORWARD DROP I then specifically DROP some items (ie, packets coming from the Internet with a source address of 192.168.0.0/16) Then, to allow me to browse Web pages, I put in 4 lines: iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -p udp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --sport 80 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -p udp --sport 80 -j ACCEPT This works, and I have done the same for POP and SMTP. However, I am sure there is a cleaner way to do it. I tried using the --port argument, but got error: unkown arg '--port' The --port argument is described in the man pages, as being part of a "multiport" module. Does this refer to an actual module that needs to be compiled into the kernel? And will it simplify the above rules to just 2 lines, one for tcp and one for udp? Once I get this forward chain working, I'm gonna begin work on the nat table, so let me know if you get tired of iptables questions :) Thanks, Doug From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 13:01:31 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11338 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:01:31 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11335 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:01:30 -0400 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA01593 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (dialup-63.215.218.144.Tampa1.Level3.net [63.215.218.144]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24271 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AEC48DD.B9F61BD7@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:01:17 -0400 From: "sotl155360@earthlink.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, en-US, en-GB, es, es-ES, ex-MX, es-AR, es-CO MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Box and Brian's Question References: <002c01c0d0bc$5d7435e0$0f452041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Maybe the problem is you do not recognize real help when it is on the list. One of the major problem some of us have had in the past is that our hardware and Linux were not compatible. The latest version of Linux has more compatible hardware than previous but even then I would not like to try to put Linux on another HP box. I would prefer to build a box that I know is compatible from the beginning. If you have not noticed there has been considerable traffic recently about partition of hard drives. Why? Because for some of us who have been around a while have discovered that if you want a Linux box to work correctly most likely you are going to have to build it yourself. There are a few places Xcomputing being one where you may buy a box built to your specifications and allegedly pre configured configured. I question that configuration but you can still get one that will do the job. Having the box work correctly - the hardware side is not the only story. You also have to have the software work correctly too. For a beginning understanding of the software you are simply going to have to bill the box yourself. There are just too many things that one can not understand until you try to make them work yourself and without building the box you do not get to experience these issues. Now building a box may sound simple. It is not. Recall that compatibility problem. Well you can go off and check the compatibility list and have everything fully lined out for your budget and guess what the hardware you buy may not be fully compatible. I did. Had to buy a new video card too. Hope the original one will work for RH7.1 but from what I have seen so far I do not believe it. Now you recall that Xcomputing well they list the hardware they use and my original video card is listed there too. But! It does not work for RH 6.1 or Mandrake 7.2. So, when some one puts together a linux box for less than $500 and it works correctly I am interested. Of course I interested because I want the most computer for the hardware but I am equally interested in the computability issue so that I do not have to buy double hardware. Thank Frank > Bpreece wrote: > > Brian , > > What started this was completely related to Linux. I posted a story on > building a Cheap Linux Box the article was on Linux Today. > For $475.00 this guy built a Linux Box to run S.u.S.E. professionla > on. I then posted a link to a local distributor open to the > public so you could see for around $450.00 and you could give it more > bang for the buck. > > Thanks > Bill Preece > Suncoast Linux Users Group > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Chabot > To: slug@nks.net > Date: Sunday, April 29, 2001 2:30 AM > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Box > > Hey Tom > > I'm new to SLUG and I'm just wondering whats all the > hardware info for and why most email's don't involve helping > newbie's w/ basic Linux problems that inevitably arise while > trying to learn it. By the way I always check > Tomshardware.com for the latest trends and reviews of > everything related to hardware. He's very reliable and > up-to-date concerning motherboards. See ya Brian > > "Maureen L. Thomas" wrote: > > I just rebuilt my old PII 300, to a Duron 850. I > bought a FIC motherboard > for $99 and the Duron 850 processor with heat sink > for $90, both from an > auction house (Ubid.com). I then purchased a new > power box $40, and a 256 > MB 133MHz ram chip ($90 with rebate) from a local > store. I used the same > modem and video (Voodoo 3 3000). The mother board > had a sound chip in it > and since we don't do a lot of gaming that was OK. > I can always disable > the chip and put in a sound board at a later date. > So for less than $400 > dollars I now have a faster machine and can always > upgrade the CPU to an > Anthlon 1.2 GHz later. I bought the pieces as I > could afford them so it > took about 6 weeks. > > I did have to flash the BIOS because the > motherboard had a VIA 686B > southbridge, but I accomplished that (thankfully > with help from everyone) > and now I am running a dual boo! t ! ! with no > problems at all. Oh, and I added > a 40GB WD ATA100 drive and got rid of my 6.2 GB > drive. > > Thanks for everyones help with the BIOS. It runs > great now. > Moe > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 13:10:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11393 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:10:55 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11390 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:10:55 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA01639 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14ttsQ-0005Ju-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 12:16:50 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 12:16:49 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Box Message-ID: <20010429121649.A14696@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010429004306.00a58d30@mail.gte.net> <20010429062230.88296.qmail@web5407.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20010429062230.88296.qmail@web5407.mail.yahoo.com>; from tulambin@yahoo.com on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 11:22:30PM -0700 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 11:22:30PM -0700, Brian Chabot wrote: > I'm new to SLUG and I'm just wondering whats all the hardware info for > and why most email's don't involve helping newbie's w/ basic Linux > problems that inevitably arise while trying to learn it. By the way I > always check Tomshardware.com for the latest trends and reviews of > everything related to hardware. He's very reliable and up-to-date > concerning motherboards. See ya Brian Like any email list, topics vary depending on the current interests of those subscribed. Just so happens that there's been a "cheap hardware" thread going on here for a while. Of course, that doesn't preclude anyone from asking basic questions and getting answers. It happens a lot. Stick around, you'll see. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 13:13:50 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11435 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:13:50 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11432 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:13:50 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA01660 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.localdomain (24129149hfc50.tampabay.rr.com [24.129.149.50]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3THDnO09362 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Seth To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Box Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:14:49 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010429004306.00a58d30@mail.gte.net> In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010429004306.00a58d30@mail.gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042913144900.09032@home.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Moe, does that via southbridge have ATA100 ide connectors that work in Linux? I want a board or add in card that will give me ATA100. Seth On Sunday 29 April 2001 00:52, you wrote: > I just rebuilt my old PII 300, to a Duron 850. I bought a FIC motherboard > for $99 and the Duron 850 processor with heat sink for $90, both from an > auction house (Ubid.com). I then purchased a new power box $40, and a 256 > MB 133MHz ram chip ($90 with rebate) from a local store. I used the same > modem and video (Voodoo 3 3000). The mother board had a sound chip in it > and since we don't do a lot of gaming that was OK. I can always disable > the chip and put in a sound board at a later date. So for less than $400 > dollars I now have a faster machine and can always upgrade the CPU to an > Anthlon 1.2 GHz later. I bought the pieces as I could afford them so it > took about 6 weeks. > > I did have to flash the BIOS because the motherboard had a VIA 686B > southbridge, but I accomplished that (thankfully with help from everyone) > and now I am running a dual boot with no problems at all. Oh, and I added > a 40GB WD ATA100 drive and got rid of my 6.2 GB drive. > > Thanks for everyones help with the BIOS. It runs great now. > Moe -- Seth seth@hollen.org Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 13:15:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11445 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:15:00 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11442 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:14:59 -0400 Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id NAA01671 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc139.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.139) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2001 17:14:58 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEC4AA3.B0251D5A@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:08:51 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] wine and libntdll.so Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey all. I just installed Codeweaver's Wine (codeweavers.com). I went through the configurations that I had to and (I thought) set it up as I was supposed to. Unfortunatelly, when I try to run an .exe to test it, I get this message: norb@linux:~ > wine /cdrom/AUTORUN.EXE wine: error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Now, I did a locate on libntdll.so and go this: norb@linux:~ > locate libntdll.so /home/norb/mmjb/wine/lib/libntdll.so /opt/wine/lib/libntdll.so Can anyone tell me how to fix the problem? (no jokes on that one, please). Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 13:48:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11630 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:48:22 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11627 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:48:21 -0400 Received: from what.ifelse.org (what.ifelse.org [208.171.40.202]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id NAA01872 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zaius.poa (2416419hfc44.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.19.44]) by what.ifelse.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA20344 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:48:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: what.ifelse.org: Host 2416419hfc44.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.19.44] claimed to be zaius.poa Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 12:48:02 -0500 (EST) From: bill X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables In-Reply-To: <01042912104402.01556@bumgak.mylan.int> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Douglas W Koobs wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'm attempting to set up a firewall that follows the "deny everything, except > what I specify" line of thinking. The specific issue I am working on now > involves the FORWARD chain. I have set the default policy like this: > > iptables -P FORWARD DROP i don't know why i do this, but instead of setting policies for rules, i have started letting the policies stay ACCEPT, but the last rule in each chain is a -j DROP to catch anything that isn't explicitly ACCEPTED by prev. rules. I like this because since it is a rule and not a policy, i get to see the counters increment on the drop rule. > I then specifically DROP some items (ie, packets coming from the Internet > with a source address of 192.168.0.0/16) Then, to allow me to browse Web > pages, I put in 4 lines: > > iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT > iptables -A FORWARD -p udp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT > iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --sport 80 -j ACCEPT > iptables -A FORWARD -p udp --sport 80 -j ACCEPT i might be wrong, but i don't think you need udp port 80 for web surfing, just tcp. also check into the -m state --state ESTABLISHED option. that may shorten up the rules a little. > > This works, and I have done the same for POP and SMTP. However, I am sure > there is a cleaner way to do it. I tried using the --port argument, but got error: > > unkown arg '--port' > > The --port argument is described in the man pages, as being part of a > "multiport" module. Does this refer to an actual module that needs to be > compiled into the kernel? And will it simplify the above rules to just 2 > lines, one for tcp and one for udp? try adding '-m multiport' before the -p tcp and it should work. g'luck From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 13:53:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11650 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:53:08 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11647 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:53:08 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id OAA01897 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.localdomain ([24.129.149.50]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with SMTP id <20010429175307.LBS294.flmta01@home.localdomain> for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:53:07 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Seth To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] debian user out there? Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:54:12 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3AEC4AA3.B0251D5A@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3AEC4AA3.B0251D5A@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042913541201.09032@home.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I was playing with debian last night, and must say I was very iimpresses with it. However I can't get X working, I have a geforce2MX vid card , and debian came with Xfree86 3.3.6 I need to apparently install the X svga package but can't figure out how to do it via apt-get. Ideally I wan't to get X 4.0.x but would settle for any type of graphical display whenever I try the command "apt-get install XXXXX" it just seems to sys with a mirror and tell me the list is up to date Seth seth@hollen.org Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 14:06:32 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11765 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:06:32 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11762 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:06:31 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (oe39.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.34]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id OAA01991 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 11:06:00 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [65.32.47.86] From: "Julian Sasse" To: References: <01042912104402.01556@bumgak.mylan.int> Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:12:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2001 18:06:00.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C435820:01C0D0D7] Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sorry, I know this doesn't answer your questions (I have yet to set up iptables myself -- I am still using 2.2.19 until a fixed 2.4 version comes out) but you should definitely consider these when writing your iptables rules: http://www.tempest.com.br/advisories/01-2001.html (*ALL* 2.4-based Linux distros) http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2001-052.html (Redhat summary of the above - no fix yet) The implication of this advisory is that anyone with any ftp client can easily make your firewall (practically) useless, and it even provides a handy Perl script exploit for those script kiddies that are too stupid to use command-line ftp. Basically you want to either get the patch (for the 2.4.3 kernel) at http://netfilter.samba.org/security-fix/ and recompile and/or do NOT use the following common rule: iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED, RELATED -j ACCEPT To avoid the rather serious security issue listed in the above advisories, you have to be a lot more restrictive about the "RELATED" connections you allow (i.e. only to/from specific IPs, ports, etc.) if you don't have the patched kernel. Cheers, --Julian From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 15:41:52 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12351 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:41:52 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12348 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:41:52 -0400 Received: from tampabaydsl.com (IDENT:root@[4.21.192.229]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id PAA02609 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.36.122.147] (HELO bumgak.mylan.int) by tampabaydsl.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with SMTP id 575190 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:52:51 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Douglas W Koobs Organization: Dimension Networks, Inc To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:40:57 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01042912104402.01556@bumgak.mylan.int> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042915405703.01556@bumgak.mylan.int> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks for the info. Actually, I'm running the 2.4.4 kernel, and not allowing FTP at all. I am assuming that the 2.4.4 kernel will not need the patch? Thanks, Doug On Sunday 29 April 2001 14:12, you wrote: > Sorry, I know this doesn't answer your questions (I have yet to set up > iptables myself -- I am still using 2.2.19 until a fixed 2.4 version comes > out) but you should definitely consider these when writing your iptables > rules: > http://www.tempest.com.br/advisories/01-2001.html (*ALL* 2.4-based Linux > distros) > http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2001-052.html (Redhat summary of > the above - no fix yet) > The implication of this advisory is that anyone with any ftp client can > easily make your firewall (practically) useless, and it even provides a > handy Perl script exploit for those script kiddies that are too stupid to > use command-line ftp. > > Basically you want to either get the patch (for the 2.4.3 kernel) at > http://netfilter.samba.org/security-fix/ and recompile and/or do NOT use > the following common rule: > iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED, RELATED -j ACCEPT > To avoid the rather serious security issue listed in the above advisories, > you have to be a lot more restrictive about the "RELATED" connections you > allow (i.e. only to/from specific IPs, ports, etc.) if you don't have the > patched kernel. > > Cheers, > --Julian From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 16:08:36 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12572 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:08:36 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12569 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:08:36 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id QAA02790 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3TK8ZO01164 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AEC757B.FF4D83A2@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:11:39 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "[SLUG]" Subject: [SLUG] Wacom Graphire Pen tablet configuration (XFree86 3.3.x) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Someone was asking me to tell how installing the Wacom pen tablet on my wife's new Linux system went. I got it working and if more than one person is interested in the details I'll post it here, otherwise I'll respond off list. The Wacom Howto config example didn't work for me and I came up with some workaround some tricks that probably aren't well known. I least I couldn't find them on the web anywhere. The Gimp is real cool with a pressure sensitive pen pointing device. Ed. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 16:10:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12600 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:10:12 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12597 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:10:12 -0400 Received: from mail.citicom.com (citicom.com [64.58.200.1]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id QAA02807 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from desktop1 (dyn152.rio.citicom.com [64.58.192.152]) by mail.citicom.com (MX-CITI/4b) with SMTP id f3TK9wO18854 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:09:59 -0400 Message-ID: <010301c0d0e7$f6370e80$1ac03a40@desktop1> From: "edoc" To: References: <200104290217.TAA25841@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> <3AEC1159.6E5F79C0@earthlink.net> Subject: [SLUG] Newbie Questions & Next NPR Meeting Questions Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:48:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Disposition-Notification-To: "edoc" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am planning to attend the SLUG meeting May 5th. (May try to make one prior to that but it is unlikely.) I have Stormix loaded on a laptop and a desktop (the latter destined to be a server). Besides being saddened to hear of the apparent demise of Stormix I have a variety of needs in getting off the ground as a Linux-Debian-Stormix newbie (including exploring an alternative when such becomes necessary). I tried to E-mail Henry and RJ at the E-mails posted on the SLUG web site but both were returned as undeliverable. I am hoping to find help with the following: 1. Getting Linux to recognize my IBM pc-card modem. 2. Discovering how to address the floppy drive from Linux. 3. Getting connected to the Internet from my laptop so I may use apt-get. 4. Checking that my network settings are correct on my laptop. 5. Other basic Linux-newbie questions. I also have a need to get the server running and possibly an old IBM ThinkPad 360cse ... but will probably hold those for a future meeting -- perhaps what I learn through the laptop will help me to handle those OK. Look forward to meeting you all May 5th ... if I cannot find my way to a meeting before then. Thanks! Doc (in Hudson, FL) From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 16:27:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12694 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:27:22 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12691 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:27:22 -0400 Received: from server5.safepages.com (server5.safepages.com [216.127.146.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id QAA02926 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux (1Cust157.tnt3.clearwater.fl.da.uu.net [63.23.192.157]) by server5.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C71570D0D for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:22:52 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:21:37 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200104290217.TAA25841@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> <3AEC1159.6E5F79C0@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3AEC1159.6E5F79C0@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042915213702.00284@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 29 April 2001 09:04, you wrote: > Question how long (in days) should it take to format a 45 GB hard drive? > 1, 2 4 , 10 et. If you spend more than 20 minutes on this, I'll be surprised. Glen From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 16:49:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12919 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:49:18 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12916 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:49:18 -0400 Received: from tampabaydsl.com (IDENT:root@[4.21.192.229]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id QAA03112 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.36.122.147] (HELO bumgak.mylan.int) by tampabaydsl.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with SMTP id 575222 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:00:17 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Douglas W Koobs Organization: Dimension Networks, Inc To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:48:23 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042916482304.01556@bumgak.mylan.int> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks!! The -m multiport did the trick, the script is mush shorter now:) I commented out the line for -p udp on port 80, and can still surf, too. Jeez, how did I get along without SLUG? More questions on the way... Doug On Sunday 29 April 2001 13:48, you wrote: > On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Douglas W Koobs wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > I'm attempting to set up a firewall that follows the "deny everything, > > except what I specify" line of thinking. The specific issue I am working > > on now involves the FORWARD chain. I have set the default policy like > > this: > > > > iptables -P FORWARD DROP > > i don't know why i do this, but instead of setting policies for rules, i > have started letting the policies stay ACCEPT, but the last rule in each > chain is a -j DROP to catch anything that isn't explicitly ACCEPTED by > prev. rules. I like this because since it is a rule and not a policy, i > get to see the counters increment on the drop rule. > > > I then specifically DROP some items (ie, packets coming from the > > Internet with a source address of 192.168.0.0/16) Then, to allow me to > > browse Web pages, I put in 4 lines: > > > > iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT > > iptables -A FORWARD -p udp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT > > iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --sport 80 -j ACCEPT > > iptables -A FORWARD -p udp --sport 80 -j ACCEPT > > i might be wrong, but i don't think you need udp port 80 for web surfing, > just tcp. > > also check into the -m state --state ESTABLISHED option. that may shorten > up the rules a little. > > > This works, and I have done the same for POP and SMTP. However, I am sure > > there is a cleaner way to do it. I tried using the --port argument, but > > got error: > > > > unkown arg '--port' > > > > The --port argument is described in the man pages, as being part of a > > "multiport" module. Does this refer to an actual module that needs to be > > compiled into the kernel? And will it simplify the above rules to just 2 > > lines, one for tcp and one for udp? > > try adding '-m multiport' before the -p tcp and it should work. > > g'luck From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 16:55:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12962 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:55:22 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12959 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:55:22 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id RAA03167 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from y ([24.92.162.127]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with SMTP id <20010429205521.BZFB294.flmta01@y> for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:55:21 -0400 Message-ID: <00af01c0d0ee$b023bd60$6401a8c0@y> From: "Jim Lange" To: References: <3AEB4A8C.2F5EDD55@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Want a Cheap Linux Box????? Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:55:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net www.asi2000.com > > Paul W Weinstein wrote: > > > > TCWO is one of the best places around for parts. They are cheap and > > they are local. The only other place that is cheaper here in Tampa as > > ASI but you have to be a business to purchase from them (that is where > > TCWO gets a lot of their stuff). > > Does any one have a location or web site on ASI. > > Thanks > Frank From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 19:51:27 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14156 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:51:27 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14153 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:51:26 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA04248 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newcomputer (653270hfc227.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.70.227]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3TNpPO08096 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003001c0d107$0216d180$e3462041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Newbie Questions & Next NPR Meeting Questions Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:49:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net While it is sad we lost Stormix we can still use it for a while. However we would like to have you come out and bring your laptop. Thanks Bill Preece -----Original Message----- From: edoc To: slug@nks.net Date: Sunday, April 29, 2001 4:10 PM Subject: [SLUG] Newbie Questions & Next NPR Meeting Questions >I am planning to attend the SLUG meeting May 5th. (May try to make one >prior to that but it is unlikely.) > >I have Stormix loaded on a laptop and a desktop (the latter destined to be a >server). > >Besides being saddened to hear of the apparent demise of Stormix I have a >variety of needs in getting off the ground as a Linux-Debian-Stormix newbie >(including exploring an alternative when such becomes necessary). > >I tried to E-mail Henry and RJ at the E-mails posted on the SLUG web site >but both were returned as undeliverable. > >I am hoping to find help with the following: > >1. Getting Linux to recognize my IBM pc-card modem. >2. Discovering how to address the floppy drive from Linux. >3. Getting connected to the Internet from my laptop so I may use apt-get. >4. Checking that my network settings are correct on my laptop. >5. Other basic Linux-newbie questions. > >I also have a need to get the server running and possibly an old >IBM ThinkPad 360cse ... but will probably hold those for a future >meeting -- perhaps what I learn through the laptop will help me >to handle those OK. > >Look forward to meeting you all May 5th ... if I cannot find my way >to a meeting before then. > >Thanks! Doc (in Hudson, FL) > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 20:41:38 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14516 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:41:38 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14513 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:41:38 -0400 Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA04557 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (dialup-63.208.205.228.Tampa1.Level3.net [63.208.205.228]) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08904 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AECB4B6.D363097D@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:41:26 -0400 From: "sotl155360@earthlink.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, en-US, en-GB, es, es-ES, ex-MX, es-AR, es-CO MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations References: <200104290217.TAA25841@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> <3AEC1159.6E5F79C0@earthlink.net> <01042915213702.00284@linux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Glen Canaday wrote: > > On Sunday 29 April 2001 09:04, you wrote: > > Question how long (in days) should it take to format a 45 GB hard drive? > > 1, 2 4 , 10 et. > > If you spend more than 20 minutes on this, I'll be surprised. > > Glen So far I have 39 Hours in it and the last time I looked it was still formatting /home at 29 GB with /usr at 20 GB yet to go. Personally this just does not seem right to me but I have no idea of how to do it differently now. If I was starting over I would not check format for any reason. Nor would I use RH setup to partition a drive. The question now is how do I get out of this with out trashing a drive? Thanks Frank From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 21:45:15 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15253 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:45:15 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15250 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:45:15 -0400 Received: from what.ifelse.org (what.ifelse.org [208.171.40.202]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA05105 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zaius.poa (2416419hfc44.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.19.44]) by what.ifelse.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA21054 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:44:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: what.ifelse.org: Host 2416419hfc44.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.19.44] claimed to be zaius.poa Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:44:54 -0500 (EST) From: bill X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations In-Reply-To: <3AECB4B6.D363097D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, sotl155360@earthlink.net wrote: > Glen Canaday wrote: > > > > On Sunday 29 April 2001 09:04, you wrote: > > > Question how long (in days) should it take to format a 45 GB hard drive? > > > 1, 2 4 , 10 et. > > > > If you spend more than 20 minutes on this, I'll be surprised. > > > > Glen > > So far I have 39 Hours in it and the last time I looked it was still > formatting /home at 29 GB with /usr at 20 GB yet to go. > > Personally this just does not seem right to me but I have no idea of how > to do it differently now. If I was starting over I would not check > format for any reason. Nor would I use RH setup to partition a drive. > > The question now is how do I get out of this with out trashing a drive? um, i have not installed redhat in a while but before you kill it, maybe try switching ttys to see if there is an error message somewhere. if you're doing the xwindows install, then try CTL-ATL-F1 or F2. if it is the text install, just a ALT-F1 or F2 should do it. maybe there is a module problem or something. if you can't switch at all, then it might have crashed alltogether. just an idea... > > Thanks > Frank > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 22:04:43 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15352 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:04:43 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15349 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:04:42 -0400 Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA05276 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.33.36.115] (tamqfl1-ar1-036-115.elnk.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.36.115]) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10138 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104300204.TAA10138@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:04:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] debian user out there? From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Exactly my problem, too. I guess you could manually download the svga server package...OTOH, you could run anXious (note the capitalization) and perhaps it will get you going. Of course, that hasn't worked for me, either. As for X 4.0, you could add this line to your apt.sources list: deb http://people.debian.org/%7Ebranden/ woody/$(ARCH)/ This I got from http://people.debian.org/~branden there's a line for potato, if it ever gets approved for it. Good luck! Russell PS I have to reinstall because my /usr partition is too small and since the latest discussions about partitioning my HD... ____________________________________________________ _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" ---------- >From: Seth >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: [SLUG] debian user out there? >Date: Sun, Apr 29, 2001, 13:54 > > I was playing with debian last night, and must say I was very iimpresses with > it. However I can't get X working, I have a geforce2MX vid card , and debian > came with Xfree86 3.3.6 I need to apparently install the X svga package but > can't figure out how to do it via apt-get. Ideally I wan't to get X 4.0.x but > would settle for any type of graphical display > > whenever I try the command "apt-get install XXXXX" it just seems to sys with > a mirror and tell me the list is up to date > > Seth > seth@hollen.org > > Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 22:06:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15371 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:06:42 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15368 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:06:42 -0400 Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA05315 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.33.36.115] (tamqfl1-ar1-036-115.elnk.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.36.115]) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18639 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104300206.TAA18639@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:06:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wacom Graphire Pen tablet configuration (XFree86 3.3.x) From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, it'll be good for the archive. Good details become good docs! Russell ____________________________________________________ _its_ (no apostrophe) means "the thing that it owns" _it's_ (with apostrophe) means "it is" ---------- >From: Ed Centanni >To: "[SLUG]" >Subject: [SLUG] Wacom Graphire Pen tablet configuration (XFree86 3.3.x) >Date: Sun, Apr 29, 2001, 16:11 > > Someone was asking me to tell how installing the Wacom pen tablet on my > wife's new Linux system went. I got it working and if more than one > person is interested in the details I'll post it here, otherwise I'll > respond off list. The Wacom Howto config example didn't work for me and > I came up with some workaround some tricks that probably aren't well > known. I least I couldn't find them on the web anywhere. > > The Gimp is real cool with a pressure sensitive pen pointing device. > > Ed. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 22:40:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15621 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:40:04 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15618 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:40:03 -0400 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA05543 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.33.36.115] (tamqfl1-ar1-036-115.elnk.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.36.115]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00469 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104300239.TAA00469@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:39:59 -0400 Subject: [SLUG] System.map name? From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey all, Ya know how when you're compiling a kernel, it "knows" what version it is, and it creates the System.map and the vmlinux file (aka the actual kernel)? And then you "make modules" and "make modules_install"? And you realize that whatever the kernel version, the modules always get put into a directory of ? What if I wanted to tag a name to the System.map file and the vmlinux file so that all three match? Something like -System.map (or reversed) and vmlinux-. How would I go about this? I mainly want to know since I tend to use several different kernels from one time to the next, and if I overwrite the System.map, and my new kernel doesn't work, then the System.map doesn't match the older kernel... Thanks! Russell ----------------------- I don't care if you're going nowhere, Just take good care of the world. -- Depeche Mode From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 22:46:37 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15646 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:46:37 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15643 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:46:36 -0400 Received: from tampabaydsl.com (IDENT:root@[4.21.192.229]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA05599 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.36.122.147] (HELO bumgak.mylan.int) by tampabaydsl.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with SMTP id 575370 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:57:37 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Douglas W Koobs Organization: Dimension Networks, Inc To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Banshee card and xfree86 4.0.3 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:45:41 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042922454106.01556@bumgak.mylan.int> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello, I have a Diamond Monster Fusion Video card (VooDoo Banshee chip) and a Phillips 107S monitor. I have tried getting XFree86 4.0.3 to work in both Redhat 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 clean installs with the same results in both. Both the card and the monitor are found correctly by the install. However, when I try to startx, things get weird (using KDE). Hard to explain exactly, but here goes: X starts, but everything is extremely grainy, the background, icons, everything. The cursor looks like a fuzzy rectangle. The K menu is about 1/8" wide, and all icons in it (and on the desktop) are unreadable. I use the cntrl-alt-backspace to get back to a command prompt, and I think it does... but the screen is now a jumble of many colors. Pressing alt+F2 through alt+F6 reveals that all terminals look the same way. But commands are accepted... So, I use cntrl-alt-del to reboot. I have tried Xconfigurator, and I have manually edited the XF86Config file, and even tried the xfree86config (sp?) tool, all to no avail. Thanks for any help! Douglas W Koobs MCSE Network Engineer Dimension Networks, Inc From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 23:03:10 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15720 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:03:10 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15717 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:03:09 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA05694 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp2.llc.net [209.136.17.195]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA32572 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:02:32 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Banshee card and xfree86 4.0.3 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:56:35 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01042922454106.01556@bumgak.mylan.int> In-Reply-To: <01042922454106.01556@bumgak.mylan.int> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042922563500.02089@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 29 April 2001 22:45, you wrote: > Hello, > > I have a Diamond Monster Fusion Video card (VooDoo Banshee > chip) and a Phillips 107S monitor. I have tried getting > XFree86 4.0.3 to work in both Redhat 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 > clean installs with the same results in both. Both the card > and the monitor are found correctly by the install. However, > when I try to startx, things get weird (using KDE). Hard to > explain exactly, but here goes: X starts, but everything is > extremely grainy, the background, icons, everything. The > cursor looks like a fuzzy rectangle. The K menu is about > 1/8" wide, and all icons in it (and on the desktop) are > unreadable. I use the cntrl-alt-backspace to get back to a > command prompt, and I think it does... but the screen is now > a jumble of many colors. Pressing alt+F2 through alt+F6 > reveals that all terminals look the same way. But commands > are accepted... So, I use cntrl-alt-del to reboot. > I have tried Xconfigurator, and I have manually edited the > XF86Config file, and even tried the xfree86config (sp?) > tool, all to no avail. Thanks for any help! > i have never heard of your problem. check your bios. make sure its set right. maybe u have some bad hardware ? > > Douglas W Koobs MCSE > Network Engineer > Dimension Networks, Inc From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 23:07:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15766 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:07:55 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15763 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:07:54 -0400 Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA05739 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from louise (ip198.tampa7.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.6.198]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3U37gF135440 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:07:42 -0400 Message-ID: <018701c0d122$e614f400$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <01042520030400.00341@linux> <000901c0cdf2$ea168ce0$0401a8c0@rr> <005201c0cdf7$52b3b8a0$6501a8c0@homer> <3AE8814A.7199E3A@illusionary.com> <008201c0ced3$bc02df20$6401a8c0@y> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Misc. Annoyances (Hostname/DNS, Samba and Gnome) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:40:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dull? I don't know. Are they unknowns or just variables? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Lange Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 12:37 AM > So I guess naming my computers X, Y, & Z seems pretty dull. > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 23:08:06 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15776 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:08:06 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15773 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:08:06 -0400 Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA05743 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from louise (ip198.tampa7.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.6.198]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3U383F182172 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:08:04 -0400 Message-ID: <018d01c0d122$f2bf7220$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <01042916482304.01556@bumgak.mylan.int> Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:50:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Could you please post your full configuration file for iptables? And hopefully any comments. Thanks. I just received my box set of RH7.1 and want to use it. Larry :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas W Koobs To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables > Thanks!! The -m multiport did the trick, the script is mush shorter now:) > I commented out the line for -p udp on port 80, and can still surf, too. > Jeez, how did I get along without SLUG? More questions on the way... > > Doug > > On Sunday 29 April 2001 13:48, you wrote: > > On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Douglas W Koobs wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > I'm attempting to set up a firewall that follows the "deny everything, > > > except what I specify" line of thinking. The specific issue I am working > > > on now involves the FORWARD chain. I have set the default policy like > > > this: > > > > > > iptables -P FORWARD DROP > > > > i don't know why i do this, but instead of setting policies for rules, i > > have started letting the policies stay ACCEPT, but the last rule in each > > chain is a -j DROP to catch anything that isn't explicitly ACCEPTED by > > prev. rules. I like this because since it is a rule and not a policy, i > > get to see the counters increment on the drop rule. > > > > > I then specifically DROP some items (ie, packets coming from the > > > Internet with a source address of 192.168.0.0/16) Then, to allow me to > > > browse Web pages, I put in 4 lines: > > > > > > iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT > > > iptables -A FORWARD -p udp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT > > > iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --sport 80 -j ACCEPT > > > iptables -A FORWARD -p udp --sport 80 -j ACCEPT > > > > i might be wrong, but i don't think you need udp port 80 for web surfing, > > just tcp. > > > > also check into the -m state --state ESTABLISHED option. that may shorten > > up the rules a little. > > > > > This works, and I have done the same for POP and SMTP. However, I am sure > > > there is a cleaner way to do it. I tried using the --port argument, but > > > got error: > > > > > > unkown arg '--port' > > > > > > The --port argument is described in the man pages, as being part of a > > > "multiport" module. Does this refer to an actual module that needs to be > > > compiled into the kernel? And will it simplify the above rules to just 2 > > > lines, one for tcp and one for udp? > > > > try adding '-m multiport' before the -p tcp and it should work. > > > > g'luck From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 23:08:19 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15786 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:08:19 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15783 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:08:19 -0400 Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA05747 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from louise (ip198.tampa7.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.6.198]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3U38GF136544 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:08:17 -0400 Message-ID: <019101c0d122$fa683340$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <200104290217.TAA25841@gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net> <3AEC1159.6E5F79C0@earthlink.net> <01042915213702.00284@linux> <3AECB4B6.D363097D@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:05:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have used RH6.0, 6.2, 7.0 and soon 7.1 with no problems in partitioning I agree that if you select to have the partitions tested they take longer. For a 7.0 setup on a 4G drive the entire drive was partitioned and tested in about 2 hours (about the same time as Fdisk and Format C: combined). I think your install is hung. I know that there is a way to partition the disk and not do the drive test. Larry :-) I would have answered sooner but I've been gone 4 days. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Participations > Glen Canaday wrote: > > > > On Sunday 29 April 2001 09:04, you wrote: > > > Question how long (in days) should it take to format a 45 GB hard drive? > > > 1, 2 4 , 10 et. > > > > If you spend more than 20 minutes on this, I'll be surprised. > > > > Glen > > So far I have 39 Hours in it and the last time I looked it was still > formatting /home at 29 GB with /usr at 20 GB yet to go. > > Personally this just does not seem right to me but I have no idea of how > to do it differently now. If I was starting over I would not check > format for any reason. Nor would I use RH setup to partition a drive. > > The question now is how do I get out of this with out trashing a drive? > > Thanks > Frank From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 23:20:48 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15834 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:20:48 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15831 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:20:47 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA05844 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cipher (24161244hfc54.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.244.54]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3U3Kav13292 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003701c0d124$ffe772c0$fe0864cf@digicat.org> From: "Kevin Counts" To: References: Subject: [SLUG] redhat on fast roadrunner connection Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:24:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net FYI: USF Academic Computing has a 45Mbps link to Time Warner Roadrunner and a redhat mirror. ftp.net.usf.edu/pub/redhat/ --/ Kevin Counts System Administrator Systems Group - Academic Computing University of South Florida From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 23:20:56 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15844 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:20:56 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15841 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:20:56 -0400 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id XAA05848 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200104300329.XAA05848@cloven.nks.net> Received: from 24288hfc36.tampabay.rr.com (HELO pc-00065.firewall.tampabay.rr.com) (24.28.8.36) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 03:20:52 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Subject: [SLUG] Im still amazed From: Jeff Skube To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution (0.9 - Preview Release) Date: 29 Apr 2001 23:21:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Today I honestly saw something that amazed me on a linux install. I was installin Mandrake 8 on a friends computer. ( Kevin so you know Norb. I finally got him to switch ) Well all of his hardware was detected and setup right. That doesnt sound all amazing in it self but he has one of those darned USB cd burners and all I can say is it found it did its little setup thing and it burns like a charm. Damn the 2.4 kernel r0cks. I thought I'd share the great news. Jeff "Your Mom Is So Fat She Makes Emacs Look Like Pico" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 23:23:03 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15854 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:23:03 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15851 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:23:03 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA05866 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp2.llc.net [209.136.17.195]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA00443 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:22:36 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:16:40 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042923164001.02089@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net has anybody tried out the new Mandrake 8. yet. i've got it and its the only game in town. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 23:35:54 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15924 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:35:54 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15921 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:35:53 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA05980 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp2.llc.net [209.136.17.195]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA00615 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:35:26 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Im still amazed Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:29:30 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200104300329.XAA05848@cloven.nks.net> In-Reply-To: <200104300329.XAA05848@cloven.nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042923293002.02089@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 29 April 2001 23:21, you wrote: > Today I honestly saw something that amazed me on a linux install. I > was installin Mandrake 8 on a friends computer. ( Kevin so you know > Norb. I finally got him to switch ) Well all of his hardware was > detected and setup right. That doesnt sound all amazing in it self > but he has one of those darned USB cd burners and all I can say is > it found it did its little setup thing and it burns like a charm. > Damn the 2.4 kernel r0cks. I thought I'd share the great news. > > Jeff > > "Your Mom Is So Fat She Makes Emacs Look Like Pico" Mandrake and KDE is the future of Linux :) it really is u know > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Sun Apr 29 23:48:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15993 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:48:09 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15990 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:48:08 -0400 Received: from asmodean.nks.net (asmodean.nks.net [216.139.201.16]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA06054 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by asmodean.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08898 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:47:38 -0400 Received: from David (tamqfl1-ar1-240-111.dsl.gtei.net [4.34.240.111]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id WAA5753621 Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:42:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000701c0d128$577a3e20$6ff02204@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "David" To: References: <01042923164001.02089@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:47:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net just got it downloaded...going to install soon:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "patrick" To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:16 PM Subject: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 > > > has anybody tried out the new Mandrake 8. yet. > i've got it and its the only game in town. > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 00:19:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16146 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:19:29 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16143 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:19:28 -0400 Received: from asmodean.nks.net (asmodean.nks.net [216.139.201.16]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA06218 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by asmodean.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08979 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:18:58 -0400 Received: from gte.net (tamqfl1-ar3-104-127.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.104.127]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id XAA6030102 Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:13:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3AECE831.19A91809@gte.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:21:05 -0400 From: Robert M Mulroy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.1-0.1.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 References: <01042923164001.02089@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net patrick wrote: > has anybody tried out the new Mandrake 8. yet. > i've got it and its the only game in town. I just installed it on my sons e-machine and your right the smoothest install I ever had. A well thought out distro. Bob From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 00:35:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16230 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:35:22 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16227 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:35:22 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA06339 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14u4Yp-0005PN-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:41:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:41:19 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Banshee card and xfree86 4.0.3 Message-ID: <20010429234119.A20464@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <01042922454106.01556@bumgak.mylan.int> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <01042922454106.01556@bumgak.mylan.int>; from dkoobs@tampabaydsl.com on Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:45:41PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:45:41PM -0400, Douglas W Koobs wrote: > Hello, > > I have a Diamond Monster Fusion Video card (VooDoo Banshee > chip) and a Phillips 107S monitor. I have tried getting > XFree86 4.0.3 to work in both Redhat 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 > clean installs with the same results in both. Both the card > and the monitor are found correctly by the install. However, > when I try to startx, things get weird (using KDE). Hard to > explain exactly, but here goes: X starts, but everything is > extremely grainy, the background, icons, everything. The > cursor looks like a fuzzy rectangle. The K menu is about > 1/8" wide, and all icons in it (and on the desktop) are > unreadable. I use the cntrl-alt-backspace to get back to a > command prompt, and I think it does... but the screen is now > a jumble of many colors. Pressing alt+F2 through alt+F6 > reveals that all terminals look the same way. But commands > are accepted... So, I use cntrl-alt-del to reboot. > I have tried Xconfigurator, and I have manually edited the > XF86Config file, and even tried the xfree86config (sp?) > tool, all to no avail. Thanks for any help! > I've only ever heard of this (and experienced it) where support for the video card was spotty or buggy. That may not be the problem here, but this was my experience. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 01:18:45 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16497 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:18:45 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16494 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:18:44 -0400 Received: from tampabaydsl.com (IDENT:root@[4.21.192.229]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA06734 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.36.122.147] (HELO bumgak.mylan.int) by tampabaydsl.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with SMTP id 575462 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:29:46 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Douglas W Koobs Organization: Dimension Networks, Inc To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Banshee card and xfree86 4.0.3 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:17:50 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01042922454106.01556@bumgak.mylan.int> <01042922563500.02089@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <01042922563500.02089@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043001175000.10273@bumgak.mylan.int> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I think the hardware is fine, as Xfree86 3.3.6 works fine, and so does Windows...I have heard from at least one other who has a Banshee card, and he had no problems... Doug On Sunday 29 April 2001 22:56, you wrote: > On Sunday 29 April 2001 22:45, you wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have a Diamond Monster Fusion Video card (VooDoo Banshee > > chip) and a Phillips 107S monitor. I have tried getting > > XFree86 4.0.3 to work in both Redhat 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 > > clean installs with the same results in both. Both the card > > and the monitor are found correctly by the install. However, > > when I try to startx, things get weird (using KDE). Hard to > > explain exactly, but here goes: X starts, but everything is > > extremely grainy, the background, icons, everything. The > > cursor looks like a fuzzy rectangle. The K menu is about > > 1/8" wide, and all icons in it (and on the desktop) are > > unreadable. I use the cntrl-alt-backspace to get back to a > > command prompt, and I think it does... but the screen is now > > a jumble of many colors. Pressing alt+F2 through alt+F6 > > reveals that all terminals look the same way. But commands > > are accepted... So, I use cntrl-alt-del to reboot. > > I have tried Xconfigurator, and I have manually edited the > > XF86Config file, and even tried the xfree86config (sp?) > > tool, all to no avail. Thanks for any help! > > i have never heard of your problem. check your bios. make sure > its set right. maybe u have some bad hardware ? > > > Douglas W Koobs MCSE > > Network Engineer > > Dimension Networks, Inc -- Douglas W Koobs MCSE Network Engineer Dimension Networks, Inc From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 01:22:06 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16517 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:22:06 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16514 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:22:06 -0400 Received: from tampabaydsl.com (IDENT:root@[4.21.192.229]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA06762 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.36.122.147] (HELO bumgak.mylan.int) by tampabaydsl.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with SMTP id 575464 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:33:08 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Douglas W Koobs Organization: Dimension Networks, Inc To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:21:12 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01042923164001.02089@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <01042923164001.02089@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043001211201.10273@bumgak.mylan.int> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am using mandrake 8 right now as a workstation, haven't found any problems yet, but a couple of quirks: After booting up, and getting prompted for login (at the shell, not X) I continue to get some messages from the boot process... Haven't taken time to look into it yet, and I can login with no problem. Also, I like Mandrakes old Software Update utility better tham the new one, but haven't really played with it yet... On Sunday 29 April 2001 23:16, you wrote: > has anybody tried out the new Mandrake 8. yet. > i've got it and its the only game in town. -- Douglas W Koobs MCSE Network Engineer Dimension Networks, Inc From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 01:45:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16641 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:45:05 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16638 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:45:05 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA06888 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.localdomain ([24.129.149.50]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with SMTP id <20010430054504.GVIJ294.flmta01@home.localdomain> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:45:04 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Seth To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Banshee card and xfree86 4.0.3 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:46:10 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01042922454106.01556@bumgak.mylan.int> <01042922563500.02089@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <01042922563500.02089@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043001461000.03500@home.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hmm I had a banshee card till a month ago, it worked great and worked in X 3.3.x and up, I'd guess hardware. Do you still boot windows?, if so does the card work in that? -- Seth seth@hollen.org Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 01:46:33 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16663 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:46:33 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16660 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:46:33 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id BAA06910 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.localdomain (24129149hfc50.tampabay.rr.com [24.129.149.50]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3U5kVO28427 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Seth To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:47:33 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01042923164001.02089@localhost.localdomain> <01043001211201.10273@bumgak.mylan.int> In-Reply-To: <01043001211201.10273@bumgak.mylan.int> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043001473301.03500@home.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net another thumbs up on mandrake 8. I switched back too KDE because of these great Anti-aliased fonts!!!!! On Monday 30 April 2001 01:21, you wrote: > I am using mandrake 8 right now as a workstation, haven't found any > problems yet, but a couple of quirks: > > After booting up, and getting prompted for login (at the shell, not X) I > continue to get some messages from the boot process... Haven't taken time > to look into it yet, and I can login with no problem. > > Also, I like Mandrakes old Software Update utility better tham the new one, > but haven't really played with it yet... > > On Sunday 29 April 2001 23:16, you wrote: > > has anybody tried out the new Mandrake 8. yet. > > i've got it and its the only game in town. -- Seth seth@hollen.org Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 01:46:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16675 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:46:46 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16672 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:46:46 -0400 Received: from web5408.mail.yahoo.com (web5408.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.200]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id BAA06914 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010430054644.12624.qmail@web5408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.8.228.146] by web5408.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:46:44 PDT Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:46:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Chabot Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Box and Brian's Question To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3AEC313D.FE36C89F@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1827778295-988609604=:12514" Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --0-1827778295-988609604=:12514 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey thanks Norb Guess I'm just anctious to learn my way around Linux as compared to Windows. I just thought of a question!! Of course the material for learning Linux on the net is extensive but, what I have the most difficulty learning is after I've installed a particular Linux ver. (RH seems to be the most documented and exclusively used by many) is simply getting around and knowing where to find files, peripherals, etc. I guess my question is what should someone thats starting to learn Linux learn first. Ex: how to program in C language, or Unix, or how the Kernel works, etc... PS in guess my epiphany w/ MS windows was learning windows explorer and what file ext. meant. .exe or .com or .mp3 or .txt and how they apply. Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Hey Tom > > I'm new to SLUG and I'm just wondering whats all the > hardware info for and why most email's don't involve helping > newbie's w/ basic Linux problems that inevitably arise while > trying to learn it. By the way I always check > Tomshardware.com for the latest trends and reviews of > everything related to hardware. He's very reliable and > up-to-date concerning motherboards. See ya Brian > Well, do you have any newbie questions? And what do you define as a newbie question? "How do I set up KPPP?" is probably a good newbie question compared to most users. What about "How do I set up DRI?" Setting up your computer to handle 3D graphics, is that Newbie? Compared to someone like Ed or Derek, heck yeah. Compared to me, for example, it might be "the next project" or even "Hey, I just did that", so when a question comes up on it I either pay lots of attention or try to help. This floating standard then applies to other things like "I'm a newbie at GNU/Linux, but not to computers. I want to build a cheap GNU/Linux box < Note, I am a bit anal on the GNU/LINUX-propper name thing, so don't mind me.>. Where can I get some cheap parts?" Is this a newbie question? The truth is that to say that this list is ONLY answering questions to the Linux Newbie would entail us having a list on the Linux kernel - definitely NOT newbie material. Instead, this list is about a revolving set of issues in the GNU/Linux system., including everything from "Hey, how do I get Red Hat to work with Roadrunner" to "I'm having a problem with GTK+..." (yes, that last one is a newbie question, if you're new to GTK). to even "Hi. I've been on this list for a while. How do I recompile the kernel?" The point is that this list is NOT exclusively for newbies. It is actually for the increased flow and expansion of knowledge to and of all its members. A nice side effect is since that all of us have been newbies (except maybe for Ed, who keeps telling me his mom doesn't remember any computer manuals being there at birth, so I suppose even him), we can answer newbie questions (depending on what level of newbies we ourselves are), thereby allowing others who before had no previous knowledge to now begin on the path of attainment of knowledge with the available resource of years of actual human experience on the subject matter. I hope this helped you understand a bit why we discuss what we discuss :) Again, if you have any "newbie" questions, ask. We'll try to answer, or at least point you to the general direction of where you're get the information. P.S. Don't mind all the grammatical errors... I just woke up *yawn* Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Hey thanks Norb

Guess I'm just anctious to learn my way around Linux as compared to Windows.

I just thought of a question!!  Of course the material for learning Linux on the net is extensive but, what I have the most difficulty learning is after I've installed a particular Linux ver. (RH seems to be the most documented and exclusively used by many) is simply getting around and knowing where to find files, peripherals, etc.  I guess my question is what should someone thats starting to learn Linux learn first.  Ex: how to program in C language, or Unix, or how the Kernel works, etc...

PS in guess my epiphany w/ MS windows was learning windows explorer and what file ext. meant.  .exe or .com or .mp3 or .txt and how they apply.

  Norbert Cartagena <niccademous@yahoo.com> wrote:


> Hey Tom
>
> I'm new to SLUG and I'm just wondering whats all the
> hardware info for and why most email's don't involve helping
> newbie's w/ basic Linux problems that inevitably arise while
> trying to learn it. By the way I always check
> Tomshardware.com for the latest trends and reviews of
> everything related to hardware. He's very reliable and
> up-to-date concerning motherboards. See ya Brian
>


Well, do you have any newbie questions? And what do you define as a
newbie question? "How do I set up KPPP?" is probably a good newbie
question compared to most users. What about "How do I set up DRI?"
Setting up your computer to handle 3D graphics, is that Newbie? Compared
to someone like Ed or Derek, heck yeah. Compared to me, for example, it
might be "the next project" or even "Hey, I just did that", ! so when a
question comes up on it I either pay lots of attention or try to help.
This floating standard then applies to other things like "I'm a newbie
at GNU/Linux, but not to computers. I want to build a cheap GNU/Linux
box < Note, I am a bit anal on the GNU/LINUX-propper name thing, so
don't mind me.>. Where can I get some cheap parts?" Is this a newbie
question?
The truth is that to say that this list is ONLY answering questions to
the Linux Newbie would entail us having a list on the Linux kernel -
definitely NOT newbie material. Instead, this list is about a revolving
set of issues in the GNU/Linux system., including everything from "Hey,
how do I get Red Hat to work with Roadrunner" to "I'm having a problem
with GTK+..." (yes, that last one is a newbie question, if you're new to
GTK). to even "Hi. I've been on this list for a while. How do I
recompile the kernel?"
The point is that this list is NOT exclusively for newb! ies. It is
actually for the increased flow and expansion of knowledge to and of all
its members. A nice side effect is since that all of us have been
newbies (except maybe for Ed, who keeps telling me his mom doesn't
remember any computer manuals being there at birth, so I suppose even
him), we can answer newbie questions (depending on what level of newbies
we ourselves are), thereby allowing others who before had no previous
knowledge to now begin on the path of attainment of knowledge with the
available resource of years of actual human experience on the subject
matter.

I hope this helped you understand a bit why we discuss what we discuss
:)

Again, if you have any "newbie" questions, ask. We'll try to answer, or
at least point you to the general direction of where you're get the
information.

P.S.
Don't mind all the grammatical errors... I just woke up *yawn*


Norb

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Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices --0-1827778295-988609604=:12514-- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 02:56:10 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17035 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:56:10 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17032 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:56:10 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id DAA07437 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 03:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14u6lC-0005W6-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:02:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:02:13 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] CVS Question Message-ID: <20010430020213.A21201@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You've got a working directory where your code is. You've added some files since the last CVS commit. But you don't know which ones. You want to add and commit them. Is there a simple way to tell which files from the working directory are in the archive and which aren't? Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 06:16:13 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA02760 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 06:16:13 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02757 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 06:16:12 -0400 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id HAA00882 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micro.hef (user-33qts3e.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.240.110]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA27658 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8587 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 10:28:12 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO iname.com) (ronan@133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 10:28:12 -0000 Message-ID: <3AED2E92.F836680B@iname.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 05:21:22 -0400 From: Ronan Heffernan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CVS Question References: <20010430020213.A21201@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > You've got a working directory where your code is. You've added some > files since the last CVS commit. But you don't know which ones. You want > to add and commit them. Is there a simple way to tell which files from > the working directory are in the archive and which aren't? > > Paul If you go into your working directory and type 'cvs update', CVS will say that it is examining directories. Any files that are in the working directory but not in the CVS repository will be displayed, with a question mark next to them (and any new versions in the CVS repository will be merged into your working copy, of course). If you have files that you want to exist in the working directory, do not want in the tree, but do not want to show up with question marks on every update, you can create a file called ".cvsignore" in each working directory. That file contains names/wildcards of files that CVS should not complain about (for C/C++ programmers, we often end up with a .o file for each .c file, but we never want to check-in the .o files). Don't forget to add the .cvsignore file to your repository (esp. if you use multiple working copies) Example .cvsignore: *.o *.swp untrustworthy.cxx core --ronan From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 07:59:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03569 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:59:57 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03566 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:59:56 -0400 Received: from knuth.bish.net ([208.139.225.12]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id JAA01468 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knuth.bish.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id IAA07382 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:39:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:39:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] debian user out there? In-Reply-To: <01042913541201.09032@home.localdomain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Before you start playing with apt-get, which is a great tool, try dselect. It is a terminal front-end (you don't need X to use it) It is a little rough but read the help and the keystroke guide to search for the X server you need and it will download it and install it for you. On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Seth wrote: > I was playing with debian last night, and must say I was very iimpresses with > it. However I can't get X working, I have a geforce2MX vid card , and debian > came with Xfree86 3.3.6 I need to apparently install the X svga package but > can't figure out how to do it via apt-get. Ideally I wan't to get X 4.0.x but > would settle for any type of graphical display > > whenever I try the command "apt-get install XXXXX" it just seems to sys with > a mirror and tell me the list is up to date > > Seth > seth@hollen.org > > Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | | 813.258.2390 | Network Engineer | | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 09:36:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04403 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:36:59 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04400 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:36:59 -0400 Received: from tango.SoftHome.net (tango.SoftHome.net [204.144.231.49]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id KAA02067 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25740 invoked by uid 417); 30 Apr 2001 14:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO behlert) (198.252.39.162) by i-softhome-tango with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 14:37:04 -0000 Message-ID: <012e01c0d183$07a44160$2001a8c0@cme> From: "Bill Ehlert" To: References: <3AEC757B.FF4D83A2@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wacom Graphire Pen tablet configuration (XFree86 3.3.x) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:37:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ed, please tell us all about the Wacom install. What model do you recommend? I am thinking of getting one for GIMP. Thanks, Mr. Bill | Someone was asking me to tell how installing the Wacom pen tablet on my | wife's new Linux system went. I got it working and if more than one | person is interested in the details I'll post it here, otherwise I'll | respond off list. The Wacom Howto config example didn't work for me and | I came up with some workaround some tricks that probably aren't well | known. I least I couldn't find them on the web anywhere. | | The Gimp is real cool with a pressure sensitive pen pointing device. | | Ed. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 09:57:32 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04539 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:57:32 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04536 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:57:31 -0400 Received: from bubba.innet.com (tampa-48.innet.com [63.144.204.48] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id LAA02183 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bubba (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bubba.innet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with SMTP id f3UEghg01298 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:42:43 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob File To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wacom Graphire Pen tablet configuration (XFree86 3.3.x) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:42:43 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3AEC757B.FF4D83A2@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3AEC757B.FF4D83A2@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043010424300.01239@bubba> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 29 April 2001 16:11, Ed wrote: > Someone was asking me to tell how installing the Wacom pen tablet on my Yes I think that was me. I don't have a tablet right now, but if I get one I'll know who to bother. ;-} thanks for the report From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 10:06:43 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04647 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:06:43 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04644 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:06:42 -0400 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id LAA02238 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2578 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 15:06:59 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 15:06:59 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([64.182.194.58]) by stewartsigns.com ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:06:56 -0500 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Wacom Graphire Pen tablet configuration (XFree86 3.3.x) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:07:07 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3AEC757B.FF4D83A2@tampabay.rr.com> Importance: Normal Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ed, I would love to have those details on the Wacom tablets. That is one device that I need to be able to use If I ever expect to convert our wind_nos boxes over to Linux. Michael C. Rock mrock@stewartsigns.com > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Ed Centanni > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 4:12 PM > To: [SLUG] > Subject: [SLUG] Wacom Graphire Pen tablet configuration (XFree86 3.3.x) > > > Someone was asking me to tell how installing the Wacom pen tablet on my > wife's new Linux system went. I got it working and if more than one > person is interested in the details I'll post it here, otherwise I'll > respond off list. The Wacom Howto config example didn't work for me and > I came up with some workaround some tricks that probably aren't well > known. I least I couldn't find them on the web anywhere. > > The Gimp is real cool with a pressure sensitive pen pointing device. > > Ed. > > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 14:02:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07399 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:02:22 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07396 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:02:22 -0400 Received: from web219.mail.yahoo.com (web219.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.119]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id PAA01845 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.84.253.16] by web219.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:02:35 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:02:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Manchester Subject: [SLUG] RedHat 7.1 Install fails To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <01042715061100.03524@home.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Has anyone installed RedHat 7.1? I just tried to install it and after booting from my RH 7.1 CD (which has installed all versions of RH since 6.0) The install says it can't find a RH install CD. It then told me to place a RH 7.1 install CD in the CD-Rom, all well and good. But I can't open the CD-Rom as the install has it locked. I then tried Mandrake 8.0 and it had no problems with the CD. Anyone have any ideas? I was thinking maybe a bad burn but I was able to boot from the RH CD. Maybe it's just time to switch to Mandrake :) Thanks Mike Manchester ===== --------------------------------- The requirements said "Windows 95/98/NT or better" So I installed Linux --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 14:03:53 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07461 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:03:53 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07458 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:03:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3AEDB72E.8DC5C3BB@illusionary.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:04:14 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables References: <01042916482304.01556@bumgak.mylan.int> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Douglas W Koobs wrote: > > Thanks!! The -m multiport did the trick, the script is mush shorter now:) > I commented out the line for -p udp on port 80, and can still surf, too. > Jeez, how did I get along without SLUG? More questions on the way... > > Doug I noticed in your last email that you haven't set up NAT rules yet? How are your inside boxes getting out? I hope you're not using routable addresses behind your firewall! Also, simply saying "Allow port 80" has the probably unintended side effect of allowing port 80 *into* your network from the outside, which you probably don't want. Here is an excerpt of the importants parts of the script I use at home that sets up my iptables for me with commentary: Note that my firewall uses "eth0" as the "inside" port and "eth1" as the "outside" port. ---- >8 snip ----- #!/bin/sh ## Disable routing while we update tables echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ## Flush all existing rules iptables -F iptables -X iptables -t nat -F iptables -t nat -X ## Set up IP Masquerading for internal network iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j MASQUERADE ## Setup INPUT rules - allow anything from inside network, and loopback. ## Only allow DHCP, ICMP and SSH into box from outside. ## Allow established sessions to return packets. ## Log new sessions from outside. iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -i lo -s 127.0.0.1 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -m state --state NEW -j LOG --log-level info --log-prefix "NEW INPUT: " iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -p icmp -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -j LOG --log-prefix "DROP INPUT: " iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -j DROP ## Allow traffic from inside network to go out unrestricted except for ## web traffic which only comes from my junkbuster proxy IP. ## Log new sessions so I can keep track of what's going out. iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -s ! 192.168.1.4 -p tcp --dport 80 -j LOG --log-prefix "DROP FORWARD: " iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -s ! 192.168.1.4 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DROP iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -s ! 192.168.1.4 -p tcp --dport 443 -j LOG --log-prefix "DROP FORWARD: " iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -s ! 192.168.1.4 -d ! 216.139.201.102 -p tcp --dport 443 -j DROP iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state NEW -j LOG --log-level info --log-prefix "NEW FORWARD: " iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -j LOG --log-prefix "DROP FORWARD: " iptables -A FORWARD -j DROP ## Reenable routing now we're done changing things echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 14:05:02 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07481 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:05:02 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07478 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:05:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3AEDB773.C85F341C@illusionary.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:05:23 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] iptables Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I've seen a couple of remarks going across the list about ipchains and iptables so if SLUG is in need of presentations at the next Tampa meeting, I'd be able to give a presentation on ipchains/iptables and setting up a little home firewall for DSL or cable, for example, if people are interested. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 14:08:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07507 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:08:59 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07504 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:08:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3AEDB860.37CF8C8C@illusionary.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:09:20 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CVS Question References: <20010430020213.A21201@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > > You've got a working directory where your code is. You've added some > files since the last CVS commit. But you don't know which ones. You want > to add and commit them. Is there a simple way to tell which files from > the working directory are in the archive and which aren't? cvs update will show '?' next to files that are not in the repository. cvs commit will also skip files that are not in the repository, after which you can scroll back and add the files it reports as skipped. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 14:17:13 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07676 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:17:13 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07673 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:17:13 -0400 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id PAA01956 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 19:17:32 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEDB8CF.CDBC1EDF@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:11:11 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables References: <3AEDB773.C85F341C@illusionary.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Derek Glidden wrote: > > I've seen a couple of remarks going across the list about ipchains and > iptables so if SLUG is in need of presentations at the next Tampa > meeting, I'd be able to give a presentation on ipchains/iptables and > setting up a little home firewall for DSL or cable, for example, if > people are interested. > > -- That would rawk. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 14:22:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07758 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:22:09 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07755 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:22:09 -0400 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id PAA01987 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.140.159.66] by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id oa175358 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:23:12 -0400 Message-ID: <01aa01c0d1ab$779a0810$3a01a8c0@hal> From: "patrick grantham" To: Cc: References: <3AEDB773.C85F341C@illusionary.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:23:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm instrested ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Glidden" To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: [SLUG] iptables > > I've seen a couple of remarks going across the list about ipchains and > iptables so if SLUG is in need of presentations at the next Tampa > meeting, I'd be able to give a presentation on ipchains/iptables and > setting up a little home firewall for DSL or cable, for example, if > people are interested. > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 14:35:31 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07983 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:35:31 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07980 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:35:31 -0400 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id PAA02126 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [205.140.159.66] by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ra175361 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:36:45 -0400 Message-ID: <01b801c0d1ad$5c32e2c0$3a01a8c0@hal> From: "patrick grantham" To: Cc: References: <3AEDB773.C85F341C@illusionary.com> <3AEDB8CF.CDBC1EDF@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:40:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net when/where is the next mtg in tampa? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norbert Cartagena" To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables > Derek Glidden wrote: > > > > I've seen a couple of remarks going across the list about ipchains and > > iptables so if SLUG is in need of presentations at the next Tampa > > meeting, I'd be able to give a presentation on ipchains/iptables and > > setting up a little home firewall for DSL or cable, for example, if > > people are interested. > > > > -- > > > That would rawk. > > > Norb > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 15:23:03 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08764 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:23:03 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08761 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:23:02 -0400 Received: from tango.SoftHome.net (tango.SoftHome.net [204.144.231.49]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id QAA02595 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19705 invoked by uid 417); 30 Apr 2001 20:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO behlert) (198.252.39.162) by i-softhome-tango with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 20:23:14 -0000 Message-ID: <002901c0d1b3$6284dec0$2001a8c0@cme> From: "Bill Ehlert" To: References: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] RedHat 7.1 Install fails Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:23:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mike, I installed 7.1 last night and had the 2nd CD issue read errors about mid-way through. It gave me an option to retry - and it worked the second time. Could be you and I have marginal CD's. Try installing again or try reading the CD using GMC or Explorer if you can. You may have a bad CD from Red Hat. Good Luck, Mr. Bill | Has anyone installed RedHat 7.1? I just tried to | install it and after booting from my RH 7.1 CD (which | has installed all versions of RH since 6.0) The | install says it can't find a RH install CD. It then | told me to place a RH 7.1 install CD in the CD-Rom, | all well and good. But I can't open the CD-Rom as the | install has it locked. | | I then tried Mandrake 8.0 and it had no problems with | the CD. | | Anyone have any ideas? I was thinking maybe a bad burn | but I was able to boot from the RH CD. | | Maybe it's just time to switch to Mandrake :) | | Thanks | Mike Manchester From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 15:49:15 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09187 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:49:15 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09184 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:49:15 -0400 Received: from asmodean.nks.net (asmodean.nks.net [216.139.201.16]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id QAA02817 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by asmodean.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14103 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:49:05 -0400 Received: from gte.net (tamqfl1-ar3-104-127.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.104.127]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id PAA6413616 Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:43:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3AEDD048.AFDB8845@gte.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:51:20 -0400 From: Robert M Mulroy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.1-0.1.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables References: <3AEDB773.C85F341C@illusionary.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Derek Glidden wrote: > I've seen a couple of remarks going across the list about ipchains and > iptables so if SLUG is in need of presentations at the next Tampa > meeting, I'd be able to give a presentation on ipchains/iptables and > setting up a little home firewall for DSL or cable, for example, if > people are interested. > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ I would definitely be interested in that presentation Bob From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 16:06:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09367 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:06:22 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09364 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:06:21 -0400 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id RAA02938 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (dialup-63.215.221.123.Tampa1.Level3.net [63.215.221.123]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20523 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AEDD3D1.606B0986@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:06:25 -0400 From: "sotl155360@earthlink.net" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, en-US, en-GB, es, es-ES, ex-MX, es-AR, es-CO MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Box and Brian's Question References: <20010430054644.12624.qmail@web5408.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If you have linux installed then start with Tom's recovery disk and learn it. That will give you the basics. Thank Frank Brian Chabot wrote: > > Hey thanks Norb > > Guess I'm just anctious to learn my way around Linux as compared to > Windows. > > I just thought of a question!! Of course the material for learning > Linux on the net is extensive but, what I have the most difficulty > learning is after I've installed a particular Linux ver. (RH seems to > be the most documented and exclusively used by many) is simply getting > around and knowing where to find files, peripherals, etc. I guess my > question is what should someone thats starting to learn Linux learn > first. Ex: how to program in C language, or Unix, or how the Kernel > works, etc... > > PS in guess my epiphany w/ MS windows was learning windows explorer > and what file ext. meant. .exe or .com or .mp3 or .txt and how they > apply. > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > Hey Tom > > > > I'm new to SLUG and I'm just wondering whats all the > > hardware info for and why most email's don't involve > helping > > newbie's w/ basic Linux problems that inevitably arise > while > > trying to learn it. By the way I always check > > Tomshardware.com for the latest trends and reviews of > > everything related to hardware. He's very reliable and > > up-to-date concerning motherboards. See ya Brian > > > > Well, do you have any newbie questions? And what do you > define as a > newbie question? "How do I set up KPPP?" is probably a good > newbie > question compared to most users. What about "How do I set up > DRI?" > Setting up your computer to handle 3D graphics, is that > Newbie? Compared > to someone like Ed or Derek, heck yeah. Compared to me, for > example, it > might be "the next project" or even "Hey, I just did that", > ! ! so when a > question comes up on it I either pay lots of attention or > try to help. > This floating standard then applies to other things like > "I'm a newbie > at GNU/Linux, but not to computers. I want to build a cheap > GNU/Linux > box < Note, I am a bit anal on the GNU/LINUX-propper name > thing, so > don't mind me.>. Where can I get some cheap parts?" Is this > a newbie > question? > The truth is that to say that this list is ONLY answering > questions to > the Linux Newbie would entail us having a list on the Linux > kernel - > definitely NOT newbie material. Instead, this list is about > a revolving > set of issues in the GNU/Linux system., including everything > from "Hey, > how do I get Red Hat to work with Roadrunner" to "I'm having > a problem > with GTK+..." (yes, that last one is a newbie question, if > you're new to > GTK). to even "Hi. I've been on this list for a while. How > do I > recompile the kernel?" > The point is that this list is NOT exclusively for newb! ! > ies. It is > actually for the increased flow and expansion of knowledge > to and of all > its members. A nice side effect is since that all of us have > been > newbies (except maybe for Ed, who keeps telling me his mom > doesn't > remember any computer manuals being there at birth, so I > suppose even > him), we can answer newbie questions (depending on what > level of newbies > we ourselves are), thereby allowing others who before had no > previous > knowledge to now begin on the path of attainment of > knowledge with the > available resource of years of actual human experience on > the subject > matter. > > I hope this helped you understand a bit why we discuss what > we discuss > :) > > Again, if you have any "newbie" questions, ask. We'll try to > answer, or > at least point you to the general direction of where you're > get the > information. > > P.S. > Don't mind all the grammatical errors... I just woke up > *yawn* > > Norb > > __________________________________! ! > _______________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 16:10:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09416 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:10:20 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09413 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:10:20 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id RAA02973 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA06492 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:10:09 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RedHat 7.1 Install fails Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:04:25 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043017042500.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 03:02 pm, you wrote: > Has anyone installed RedHat 7.1? I just tried to > install it and after booting from my RH 7.1 CD (which > has installed all versions of RH since 6.0) The > install says it can't find a RH install CD. It then > told me to place a RH 7.1 install CD in the CD-Rom, > all well and good. But I can't open the CD-Rom as the > install has it locked. > > I then tried Mandrake 8.0 and it had no problems with > the CD. > > Anyone have any ideas? I was thinking maybe a bad burn > but I was able to boot from the RH CD. > > Maybe it's just time to switch to Mandrake :) > > Thanks > Mike Manchester > we all need to stay wit Mandrake > ===== > --------------------------------- > The requirements said > "Windows 95/98/NT or better" > So I installed Linux > --------------------------------- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 16:41:41 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09832 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:41:41 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09829 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:41:40 -0400 Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id RAA03202 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 21:42:00 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEDDA75.2AD09A7E@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:34:45 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RedHat 7.1 Install fails References: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <01043017042500.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net patrick wrote: > > On Monday 30 April 2001 03:02 pm, you wrote: > > Has anyone installed RedHat 7.1? I just tried to > > install it and after booting from my RH 7.1 CD (which > > has installed all versions of RH since 6.0) The > > install says it can't find a RH install CD. It then > > told me to place a RH 7.1 install CD in the CD-Rom, > > all well and good. But I can't open the CD-Rom as the > > install has it locked. > > > > I then tried Mandrake 8.0 and it had no problems with > > the CD. > > > > Anyone have any ideas? I was thinking maybe a bad burn > > but I was able to boot from the RH CD. > > > > Maybe it's just time to switch to Mandrake :) > > > > Thanks > > Mike Manchester > > > > we all need to stay wit Mandrake > That's the wonderful thing about GNU/Linux.. you have a choice (such as my choosing SuSE rather than Mandrake... An yes, I've tried them both ;) P.S. I tend to be a pacifist about this one (because they all have their goods and bads) but if you want to (just for kicks!!), may the holy wars begin *hee hee hee*. First a comment on a GUI ("Mandrake and KDE.. the future of Linux.... it really is..."), then on a Distro... oh yeah... it's-a-brewin'... Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 17:02:31 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10149 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:02:31 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10146 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:02:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3AEDE10B.FFBC62CC@illusionary.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:02:51 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RedHat 7.1 Install fails References: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <01043017042500.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEDDA75.2AD09A7E@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > patrick wrote: > > > > > [....] > > > Maybe it's just time to switch to Mandrake :) > > > > > > Thanks > > > Mike Manchester > > > > > > > we all need to stay wit Mandrake > > > > That's the wonderful thing about GNU/Linux.. you have a choice (such as > my choosing SuSE rather than Mandrake... An yes, I've tried them both ;) > > P.S. > I tend to be a pacifist about this one (because they all have their > goods and bads) but if you want to (just for kicks!!), may the holy wars > begin *hee hee hee*. First a comment on a GUI ("Mandrake and KDE.. the > future of Linux.... it really is..."), then on a Distro... oh yeah... > it's-a-brewin'... Dunno what you're talking about. I mean, I don't understand how there could *be* any kind of holy wars about distributions when it's so completely obvious that Debian is the best of the bunch... (and if my statement might have sounded slightly muffled that's because of the asbestos bodysuit I just put on... :) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 17:03:25 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10191 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:03:25 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10188 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:03:25 -0400 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id SAA03384 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 22:03:44 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEDDF84.67B2A5E8@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:56:20 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Box and Brian's Question References: <20010430054644.12624.qmail@web5408.mail.yahoo.com> <3AEDD3D1.606B0986@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Hey thanks Norb > > Guess I'm just anctious to learn my way around Linux as compared to > Windows. > > I just thought of a question!! Of course the material for learning > Linux on the net is extensive but, what I have the most difficulty > learning is after I've installed a particular Linux ver. (RH seems to > be the most documented and exclusively used by many) is simply getting > around and knowing where to find files, peripherals, etc. I guess my > question is what should someone thats starting to learn Linux learn > first. Ex: how to program in C language, or Unix, or how the Kernel > works, etc... Though Red Hat is the version most extensivelly covered by third parties in the US, there is alot to be said for a distro that includes documentation so good that you don't feel the need to purchase any extra (read, SuSE). That being said, Red Hat IS the version used by most businesses, at least in the US (I'm not quite sure, but I thought that Turbo was really popular in the Asian realm and SuSE in Europe. Again, I might be wrong - this is stuff I heard through the Grape Vine Phone Co, a Baby Bell). If you need to find a good guide to find where you find certain files and peripherals, then you might just want to wonder over to your local Barnes and NOble or Borders or Whatever and sit down for a while with something simple, like "Linux for Dummies" (the newest version is NOT writen by Maddog, unfortunatelly). YOu might also want to try something a bit (a helluvalot) more extensive, like Mueller's "Upgrading and Repairing PCs, Linux Edition" Published by QUE. You can also try checking out McGraw Hill's "The Complete refference: Red Hat Linux", or O'Reilly's "Running Linux". That ought to give you a pretty good idea of what kind of files you can find where. P.S. to all interested, at the Barnes and Noble in Brandon there are a BUNCH of GNU/Linux books - somewhat out of date, but great if you want the book, are strapped for cash and just want to learn. P.P.S. You might want to take a look at the RHCE study guide, by SYBEX. The book itself is ok (though the cd is nothign but a bunch of exe files... DAMN THEM!), but more importantly, it has a section that tells you what goes where and why and ever tells you things like "these directories should NEVER be in a partition separate from one another...") Hope that helped a bit. Note that I dont' suggest your buy them unless you REALLY REALLYT want them, but don't worry. People at bookstores don't get mad when you read their books... they just get mad when you make a huge mess and don't clean it up. I know.. I've worked in bookstores for 3 years... Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 17:07:40 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10276 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:07:40 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10273 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:07:39 -0400 Received: from mail.citicom.com (citicom.com [64.58.200.1]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA03431 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from desktop1 (dyn126.rio.citicom.com [64.58.192.126]) by mail.citicom.com (MX-CITI/4b) with SMTP id f3UM7JO03646 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:07:58 -0400 Message-ID: <027401c0d1c1$9694c780$5ac03a40@desktop1> From: "edoc" To: References: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <01043017042500.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEDDA75.2AD09A7E@yahoo.com> Subject: [SLUG] Choosing a Distro to Replace Stormix Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:04:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Disposition-Notification-To: "edoc" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > That's the wonderful thing about GNU/Linux.. you have a choice (such as > my choosing SuSE rather than Mandrake... An yes, I've tried them both ;) > > P.S. > I tend to be a pacifist about this one (because they all have their > goods and bads) but if you want to (just for kicks!!), may the holy wars > begin *hee hee hee*. First a comment on a GUI ("Mandrake and KDE.. the > future of Linux.... it really is..."), then on a Distro... oh yeah... > it's-a-brewin'... > > Norb I chose Stormix because it is Debian-based, now Progeny is being touted as the replacement-du-jour for Stormix. Most of the claims for Mandrake 8 were made for Stormix (though their last release used some older Debian stuff) ... and are now being made for Progeny. Why would I choose Mandrake 8 over the current release of Progeny, please? Would it make sense for me to load Mandrake 7.1 (because I have it) or to just get a Mandrake 8 CD and load that ... that is should I choose to move to Mandrake vs Progeny and abandon the orphaned Stormix. Thanks! Doc From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 17:17:19 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10465 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:17:19 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10462 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:17:19 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA03536 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14uL97-0005j5-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:23:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:23:53 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Box and Brian's Question Message-ID: <20010430172353.B21201@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <3AEC313D.FE36C89F@yahoo.com> <20010430054644.12624.qmail@web5408.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20010430054644.12624.qmail@web5408.mail.yahoo.com>; from tulambin@yahoo.com on Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:46:44PM -0700 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:46:44PM -0700, Brian Chabot wrote: > I just thought of a question!! Of course the material for learning > Linux on the net is extensive but, what I have the most difficulty > learning is after I've installed a particular Linux ver. (RH seems to > be > the most documented and exclusively used by many) is simply getting > around and knowing where to find files, peripherals, etc. I guess my > question is what should someone thats starting to learn Linux learn > first. Ex: how to program in C language, or Unix, or how the Kernel > works, etc... You _don't_ need to learn to program to use Linux, nor do you need to know how the kernel works. First thing's first, unless you have specific questions, is to learn where things are on your filesystems. What each directory is for, what kind of files are there. In particular, pay attention to what's in the /etc directory, since most of the major config files are in that directory or its subdirectories. You can also go on the website http://www.suncoastlug.org/faq.html One of the FAQs is about how DOS commands compare to Linux commands. Learn to use those commands, read the man pages on them. ("Read the man pages" = man cp if the command you're interested in is "cp".) Also, take a look for any newbie stuff on the net. You can check out linux.com, linux.org and such. And of course, buy a book like "Running Linux" to read when you're in the bathroom and can't use your computer. ;-} Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 17:18:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10475 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:18:01 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10472 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:18:01 -0400 Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id SAA03540 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 22:18:20 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEDE2EA.4A0D7D89@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:10:50 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RedHat 7.1 Install fails References: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <01043017042500.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEDDA75.2AD09A7E@yahoo.com> <3AEDE10B.FFBC62CC@illusionary.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Derek Glidden wrote: > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > > patrick wrote: > > > > > > > [....] > > > > Maybe it's just time to switch to Mandrake :) > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike Manchester > > > > > > > > > > we all need to stay wit Mandrake > > > > > > > That's the wonderful thing about GNU/Linux.. you have a choice (such as > > my choosing SuSE rather than Mandrake... An yes, I've tried them both ;) > > > > P.S. > > I tend to be a pacifist about this one (because they all have their > > goods and bads) but if you want to (just for kicks!!), may the holy wars > > begin *hee hee hee*. First a comment on a GUI ("Mandrake and KDE.. the > > future of Linux.... it really is..."), then on a Distro... oh yeah... > > it's-a-brewin'... > > Dunno what you're talking about. I mean, I don't understand how there > could *be* any kind of holy wars about distributions when it's so > completely obvious that Debian is the best of the bunch... > Yeah, sure, if you like draconian installs and NO documentation outside of the internet. Lets face it: if you want a trully complete distro, you go with SuSE. You want good customer support, you go with SuSE (in addition to the wonderful community, of course). You want a simple distro, you go with SuSE, and of you want something that's known for how quickly it takes new hardware, you go with SuSE. Now, if you want apt-get.... hey, SuSE has a version of that, too! In short, if you need it to work and work well and consistently, you go with SuSE. (P.S. I could make arguments for other distros, but there's a good reason why all the computers in my house are running SuSE... 'cause mandrake 7.2 spewed chunks, RedHat7.0 was bug city, Corel... well, just didn't work with my hardware, Stormix is dead, and Debian still needs to learn that eye candy is a good thing. Then again, I might change my mind, but hell, this is why it's fun ;). Hands down, best out there. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 17:19:35 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10517 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:19:35 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10514 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:19:35 -0400 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id SAA03561 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 22:19:54 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEDE347.B4066E24@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:12:23 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Choosing a Distro to Replace Stormix References: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <01043017042500.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEDDA75.2AD09A7E@yahoo.com> <027401c0d1c1$9694c780$5ac03a40@desktop1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Would it make sense for me to load Mandrake 7.1 (because I have it) or to > just get a Mandrake 8 CD and load that ... that is should I choose to move > to > Mandrake vs Progeny and abandon the orphaned Stormix. > Ever thought of trying Libranet? http://www.libranet.com (I believe it's version 1.9) Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 17:28:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10637 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:28:29 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10634 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:28:29 -0400 Received: from mail.citicom.com (citicom.com [64.58.200.1]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA03643 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from desktop1 (dyn126.rio.citicom.com [64.58.192.126]) by mail.citicom.com (MX-CITI/4b) with SMTP id f3UMSmO04708 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:28:49 -0400 Message-ID: <02c401c0d1c4$7f1d5d80$5ac03a40@desktop1> From: "edoc" To: References: <003001c0d107$0216d180$e3462041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Newbie Questions & Next NPR Meeting Questions Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:25:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Disposition-Notification-To: "edoc" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > While it is sad we lost Stormix we can still use it for a while. > However we would like to have you come out and bring your laptop. > > Thanks > Bill Preece Thanks for the encouragement, will do for sure! Would you recommend that I consider acquiring Progeny or Mandrake 8 as a replacement or just keep Stormix and use apt-get to keep it up to date via Debian from now on? I'm not clear as to why I'd ever need to dump Stormix since I understand that Debian developers will replace/update anything that needs to change. (Is that true or are there pieces of Stormix that will eventually get in the way?) I was also reminded at the Mandrake site that I would be abandoning Debian for the RH distro were I to abandon Stormix and not migrate to Progeny vs Mandrake. Decisions and consequences, the constant challenge of human existence! See you all May 5th! Thanks! Doc ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has powerful muscles, but no personality." Einstein ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 17:28:28 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10632 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:28:28 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10629 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:28:27 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA03637 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09333 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:28:16 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Box and Brian's Question Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:22:33 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20010430054644.12624.qmail@web5408.mail.yahoo.com> <3AEDD3D1.606B0986@earthlink.net> <3AEDDF84.67B2A5E8@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3AEDDF84.67B2A5E8@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043018223301.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 05:56 pm, you wrote: > > Hey thanks Norb > > > > Guess I'm just anctious to learn my way around Linux as compared to > > Windows. > > > > I just thought of a question!! Of course the material for learning > > Linux on the net is extensive but, what I have the most difficulty > > learning is after I've installed a particular Linux ver. (RH seems to > > be the most documented and exclusively used by many) is simply getting > > around and knowing where to find files, peripherals, etc. I guess my > > question is what should someone thats starting to learn Linux learn > > first. Ex: how to program in C language, or Unix, or how the Kernel > > works, etc... > > Though Red Hat is the version most extensivelly covered by third parties > in the US, there is alot to be said for a distro that includes > documentation so good that you don't feel the need to purchase any extra > (read, SuSE). That being said, Red Hat IS the version used by most > businesses, at least in the US (I'm not quite sure, but I thought that > Turbo was really popular in the Asian realm and SuSE in Europe. Again, I > might be wrong - this is stuff I heard through the Grape Vine Phone Co, > a Baby Bell). If you need to find a good guide to find where you find > certain files and peripherals, then you might just want to wonder over > to your local Barnes and NOble or Borders or Whatever and sit down for a > while with something simple, like "Linux for Dummies" (the newest > version is NOT writen by Maddog, unfortunatelly). YOu might also want to > try something a bit (a helluvalot) more extensive, like Mueller's > "Upgrading and Repairing PCs, Linux Edition" Published by QUE. You can > also try checking out McGraw Hill's "The Complete refference: Red Hat > Linux", or O'Reilly's "Running Linux". That ought to give you a pretty > good idea of what kind of files you can find where. > > > P.S. to all interested, at the Barnes and Noble in Brandon there are a > BUNCH of GNU/Linux books - somewhat out of date, but great if you want > the book, are strapped for cash and just want to learn. > > P.P.S. > You might want to take a look at the RHCE study guide, by SYBEX. The > book itself is ok (though the cd is nothign but a bunch of exe files... > DAMN THEM!), but more importantly, it has a section that tells you what > goes where and why and ever tells you things like "these directories > should NEVER be in a partition separate from one another...") > > > Hope that helped a bit. Note that I dont' suggest your buy them unless > you REALLY REALLYT want them, but don't worry. People at bookstores > don't get mad when you read their books... they just get mad when you > make a huge mess and don't clean it up. I know.. I've worked in > bookstores for 3 years... > > Norb another thing u could do is to buy Mandrake 8.0 and for the most part u wont need to learn much. i can reinstall Mandrake 8 in less than 30 minutes including setting up the kpp and be on the internet. i would suggest that if someone does that and then spend a few hours just browsing the kde interface. linux is moving more to easy installs and less for the need to learn specifics. i would also incourage people to learn all u want too also. my brand of linux is the easy stuff. Mandrake fulfills this. if u have children get them Mandrake and then cut them loose. whos knows what they might do or get into. Mandrake is the only distro > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 17:31:21 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10689 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:31:21 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10686 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:31:21 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA03671 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09408 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:31:10 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RedHat 7.1 Install fails Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:25:27 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <01043017042500.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEDDA75.2AD09A7E@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3AEDDA75.2AD09A7E@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043018252702.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 05:34 pm, you wrote: > patrick wrote: > > On Monday 30 April 2001 03:02 pm, you wrote: > > > Has anyone installed RedHat 7.1? I just tried to > > > install it and after booting from my RH 7.1 CD (which > > > has installed all versions of RH since 6.0) The > > > install says it can't find a RH install CD. It then > > > told me to place a RH 7.1 install CD in the CD-Rom, > > > all well and good. But I can't open the CD-Rom as the > > > install has it locked. > > > > > > I then tried Mandrake 8.0 and it had no problems with > > > the CD. > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas? I was thinking maybe a bad burn > > > but I was able to boot from the RH CD. > > > > > > Maybe it's just time to switch to Mandrake :) > > > > > > Thanks > > > Mike Manchester > > > > we all need to stay wit Mandrake > > That's the wonderful thing about GNU/Linux.. you have a choice (such as > my choosing SuSE rather than Mandrake... An yes, I've tried them both ;) > u obviously havent tried Mandrake 8.0 :) because if had u would think just like me. oh yea :) > P.S. > I tend to be a pacifist about this one (because they all have their > goods and bads) but if you want to (just for kicks!!), may the holy wars > begin *hee hee hee*. First a comment on a GUI ("Mandrake and KDE.. the > future of Linux.... it really is..."), then on a Distro... oh yeah... > it's-a-brewin'... > > Norb there really shouldnt be any distro wars. if would read all over the internet the distro wars are over silly. its mandrake. :) > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 17:31:34 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10699 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:31:34 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10696 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:31:33 -0400 Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id SAA03682 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 22:31:53 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEDE611.A903372B@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:24:17 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Box and Brian's Question References: <3AEC313D.FE36C89F@yahoo.com> <20010430054644.12624.qmail@web5408.mail.yahoo.com> <20010430172353.B21201@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Also, take a look for any newbie stuff on the net. You can check out > linux.com, linux.org and such. And of course, buy a book like "Running > Linux" to read when you're in the bathroom and can't use your computer. > ;-} > That's why you get a cheap laptop. *hee hee hee* Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 17:32:45 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10761 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:32:45 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10755 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:32:44 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA03700 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09443 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:32:34 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RedHat 7.1 Install fails Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:26:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <3AEDDA75.2AD09A7E@yahoo.com> <3AEDE10B.FFBC62CC@illusionary.com> In-Reply-To: <3AEDE10B.FFBC62CC@illusionary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043018265103.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 06:02 pm, you wrote: > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > patrick wrote: > > > > [....] > > > > Maybe it's just time to switch to Mandrake :) > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike Manchester > > > > > > we all need to stay wit Mandrake > > > > That's the wonderful thing about GNU/Linux.. you have a choice (such as > > my choosing SuSE rather than Mandrake... An yes, I've tried them both ;) > > > > P.S. > > I tend to be a pacifist about this one (because they all have their > > goods and bads) but if you want to (just for kicks!!), may the holy wars > > begin *hee hee hee*. First a comment on a GUI ("Mandrake and KDE.. the > > future of Linux.... it really is..."), then on a Distro... oh yeah... > > it's-a-brewin'... > > Dunno what you're talking about. I mean, I don't understand how there > could *be* any kind of holy wars about distributions when it's so > completely obvious that Debian is the best of the bunch... > > (and if my statement might have sounded slightly muffled that's because > of the asbestos bodysuit I just put on... :) u obviously havent got your mandrake 8.0 either. now go out and get it, install it and then let me know From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 17:33:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10813 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:33:58 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10810 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:33:58 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA03719 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09484 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:33:47 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RedHat 7.1 Install fails Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:28:05 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <3AEDE10B.FFBC62CC@illusionary.com> <3AEDE2EA.4A0D7D89@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3AEDE2EA.4A0D7D89@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043018280504.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 06:10 pm, you wrote: > Derek Glidden wrote: > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > patrick wrote: > > > > > [....] > > > > > Maybe it's just time to switch to Mandrake :) > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Mike Manchester > > > > > > > > we all need to stay wit Mandrake > > > > > > That's the wonderful thing about GNU/Linux.. you have a choice (such as > > > my choosing SuSE rather than Mandrake... An yes, I've tried them both > > > ;) > > > > > > P.S. > > > I tend to be a pacifist about this one (because they all have their > > > goods and bads) but if you want to (just for kicks!!), may the holy > > > wars begin *hee hee hee*. First a comment on a GUI ("Mandrake and KDE.. > > > the future of Linux.... it really is..."), then on a Distro... oh > > > yeah... it's-a-brewin'... > > > > Dunno what you're talking about. I mean, I don't understand how there > > could *be* any kind of holy wars about distributions when it's so > > completely obvious that Debian is the best of the bunch... > > Yeah, sure, if you like draconian installs and NO documentation outside > of the internet. Lets face it: if you want a trully complete distro, you > go with SuSE. You want good customer support, you go with SuSE (in > addition to the wonderful community, of course). You want a simple > distro, you go with SuSE, and of you want something that's known for how > quickly it takes new hardware, you go with SuSE. > Now, if you want apt-get.... hey, SuSE has a version of that, too! In > short, if you need it to work and work well and consistently, you go > with SuSE. > > (P.S. I could make arguments for other distros, but there's a good > reason why all the computers in my house are running SuSE... 'cause > mandrake 7.2 spewed chunks, RedHat7.0 was bug city, Corel... well, just > didn't work with my hardware, Stormix is dead, and Debian still needs to > learn that eye candy is a good thing. Then again, I might change my > mind, but hell, this is why it's fun ;). > > Hands down, best out there. like i said install mandrake 8. the wars are over guys. > > Norb > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 17:34:33 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10825 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:34:33 -0400 Received: from illusionary.com (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10822 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:34:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3AEDE88E.5E2B8D89@illusionary.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:34:54 -0400 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RedHat 7.1 Install fails References: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <01043017042500.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEDDA75.2AD09A7E@yahoo.com> <3AEDE10B.FFBC62CC@illusionary.com> <3AEDE2EA.4A0D7D89@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > [....] > (P.S. I could make arguments for other distros, but there's a good > reason why all the computers in my house are running SuSE... 'cause > mandrake 7.2 spewed chunks, RedHat7.0 was bug city, Corel... well, just > didn't work with my hardware, Stormix is dead, and Debian still needs to > learn that eye candy is a good thing. Then again, I might change my > mind, but hell, this is why it's fun ;). > > Hands down, best out there. Short of a good Debian setup you mean... ;) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.eff.org/ http://www.opendvd.org/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 17:37:33 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10840 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:37:33 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10837 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:37:33 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA03748 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14uLSf-0005jP-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:44:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:44:05 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables Message-ID: <20010430174405.E21201@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <3AEDB773.C85F341C@illusionary.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AEDB773.C85F341C@illusionary.com>; from dglidden@illusionary.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:05:23PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:05:23PM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > > I've seen a couple of remarks going across the list about ipchains and > iptables so if SLUG is in need of presentations at the next Tampa > meeting, I'd be able to give a presentation on ipchains/iptables and > setting up a little home firewall for DSL or cable, for example, if > people are interested. > I believe next meeting we have the IBM presentation. But this would be outstanding for the following meeting. Next Tampa meeting should be May 9th. I just sent out an announcement about this. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 17:37:48 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10856 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:37:48 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10852 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:37:48 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA03758 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09608 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:37:38 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:31:55 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3AEDB773.C85F341C@illusionary.com> <01aa01c0d1ab$779a0810$3a01a8c0@hal> In-Reply-To: <01aa01c0d1ab$779a0810$3a01a8c0@hal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043018315505.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net i wanted to mention when u get your Mandrake 8.0 be sure to turn on the antialiasing. it really makes a wonderful difference how your Linux appears :) From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 17:46:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11034 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:46:08 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11031 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:46:07 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA03845 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09869 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:45:57 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Newbie Questions & Next NPR Meeting Questions Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:40:14 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <003001c0d107$0216d180$e3462041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> <02c401c0d1c4$7f1d5d80$5ac03a40@desktop1> In-Reply-To: <02c401c0d1c4$7f1d5d80$5ac03a40@desktop1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043018401406.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 06:25 pm, you wrote: > > While it is sad we lost Stormix we can still use it for a while. > > However we would like to have you come out and bring your laptop. > > > > Thanks > > Bill Preece > > Thanks for the encouragement, will do for sure! > > Would you recommend that I consider acquiring Progeny or Mandrake 8 > as a replacement or just keep Stormix and use apt-get to keep it up to date > via Debian from now on? > > I'm not clear as to why I'd ever need to dump Stormix since I understand > that Debian developers will replace/update anything that needs to change. > (Is that true or are there pieces of Stormix that will eventually get in > the way?) > > I was also reminded at the Mandrake site that I would be abandoning Debian > for the RH distro were I to abandon Stormix and not migrate to Progeny vs > Mandrake. Decisions and consequences, the constant challenge of human > existence! > > See you all May 5th! > > Thanks! Doc > if i can i'll be there. i'll bring my mandrake 8 and we can all party.. btw is there any other distro that has antialiasing in their distro ? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "We should take care not to make the intellect our god; > it has powerful muscles, but no personality." Einstein > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 17:53:03 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11110 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:53:03 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11107 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:53:03 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id SAA03898 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA10056 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:52:52 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:47:09 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3AEDB773.C85F341C@illusionary.com> <20010430174405.E21201@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20010430174405.E21201@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043018470907.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 05:44 pm, you wrote: > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:05:23PM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > > I've seen a couple of remarks going across the list about ipchains and > > iptables so if SLUG is in need of presentations at the next Tampa > > meeting, I'd be able to give a presentation on ipchains/iptables and > > setting up a little home firewall for DSL or cable, for example, if > > people are interested. > > I believe next meeting we have the IBM presentation. But this would be > outstanding for the following meeting. > > Next Tampa meeting should be May 9th. I just sent out an announcement > about this. > > Paul thought i'd mention Mandrake 8.0 has firewall built in it takes about 30 seconds to answer the questions and its running i have read some comments on mandrakes pages how some guy cant even see the machine from the internet. check it out From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 18:01:19 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11183 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:01:19 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11180 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:01:19 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA03944 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newcomputer ([65.32.70.210]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with SMTP id <20010430230139.SCYB294.flmta01@newcomputer> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:01:39 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01c0d1c9$373f4960$d2462041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Choosing a Distro to Replace Stormix Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:59:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well first of all if it works why replace it???? You can always update the pieces and heck with a litte change here and there you could build your own distro based off Stormix. This is the beauty of Linux. -----Original Message----- From: edoc To: slug@nks.net Date: Monday, April 30, 2001 6:14 PM Subject: [SLUG] Choosing a Distro to Replace Stormix >> That's the wonderful thing about GNU/Linux.. you have a choice (such as >> my choosing SuSE rather than Mandrake... An yes, I've tried them both ;) >> >> P.S. >> I tend to be a pacifist about this one (because they all have their >> goods and bads) but if you want to (just for kicks!!), may the holy wars >> begin *hee hee hee*. First a comment on a GUI ("Mandrake and KDE.. the >> future of Linux.... it really is..."), then on a Distro... oh yeah... >> it's-a-brewin'... >> >> Norb > >I chose Stormix because it is Debian-based, now Progeny is being touted as >the replacement-du-jour for Stormix. Most of the claims for Mandrake 8 were >made for Stormix (though their last release used some older Debian stuff) >... >and are now being made for Progeny. > >Why would I choose Mandrake 8 over the current release of Progeny, please? > >Would it make sense for me to load Mandrake 7.1 (because I have it) or to >just get a Mandrake 8 CD and load that ... that is should I choose to move >to >Mandrake vs Progeny and abandon the orphaned Stormix. > >Thanks! Doc > > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 18:07:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11287 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:07:22 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11284 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:07:22 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA03983 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com ([24.164.40.242]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with ESMTP id <20010430230742.SEVI294.flmta01@tampabay.rr.com> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:07:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3AEDF03A.D3AC3BEF@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:07:38 -0400 From: "Michael F. Richards" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 References: <01042923164001.02089@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net patrick wrote: > has anybody tried out the new Mandrake 8. yet. > i've got it and its the only game in town. I downloaded it last week and have it installed on a 450 MHz AMD K6-2 . It is the first Linux version to work with my onboard Audio. It also works pretty well with the onboard video. I am disappointed in the fact that I haven't been able to mount a floppy device though and mounting of a CD-ROM is flaky at best. I had tried Mandrake 8.0 beta 1 and I had no problem with Floppy or CD-ROM mounts, (Beta 1 had plenty other bugs though). Mandrake uses supermount to auto mount the Floppy and CD-ROM. Strange thing is that the mandrake RPM management tool mounts the CD-ROM but I can't mount it as a user or as root. I've checked the all the /dev/* file privileges and added myself and root to the Floppy and CD-ROM groups. No luck and documentation on supermount and Mandrake security is pretty sparse. I can't say that it is the only game in town if basic functions that worked on earlier releases no longer work, even if they have added a pretty install and new functionality. -- Mike Richards mrichard@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 18:22:06 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11474 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:22:06 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11471 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:22:06 -0400 Received: from mail.citicom.com (citicom.com [64.58.200.1]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA04093 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from desktop1 (dyn126.rio.citicom.com [64.58.192.126]) by mail.citicom.com (MX-CITI/4b) with SMTP id f3UNMPO06945 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:22:25 -0400 Message-ID: <034c01c0d1cb$f87ece00$5ac03a40@desktop1> From: "edoc" To: References: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <01043017042500.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEDDA75.2AD09A7E@yahoo.com> <027401c0d1c1$9694c780$5ac03a40@desktop1> <3AEDE347.B4066E24@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Choosing a Distro to Replace Stormix Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:19:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Disposition-Notification-To: "edoc" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Ever thought of trying Libranet? > > http://www.libranet.com (I believe it's version 1.9) > > > Norb I looked at it just now, I recall hearing the name before. I'm not sure I see what Libranet offers that Stormix via apt-get Debian updates. Once Stormix is fully functional and updated as appropriate will I really see a meaningful difference between it and Libranet? As a point of interest I have observed that Libranet (Canadian company) is $20. vs Progeny (Americamn company) $40. Stormix was less expensive than Progeny as well but they went broke. Is there a linkage there anywhere? Thanks for the suggestion ... Doc From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 18:22:54 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11489 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:22:54 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11486 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:22:54 -0400 Received: from mail.citicom.com (citicom.com [64.58.200.1]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA04103 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from desktop1 (dyn126.rio.citicom.com [64.58.192.126]) by mail.citicom.com (MX-CITI/4b) with SMTP id f3UNNDO06973 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:23:13 -0400 Message-ID: <034f01c0d1cc$1534f6a0$5ac03a40@desktop1> From: "edoc" To: References: <006b01c0d1c9$373f4960$d2462041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Choosing a Distro to Replace Stormix Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:19:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Disposition-Notification-To: "edoc" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net From: "Bpreece" > Well first of all if it works why replace it???? You can always update the > pieces and heck with a litte change > here and there you could build your own distro based off Stormix. > > This is the beauty of Linux. It's not working fully yet ... which is why I am bring my laptop to the May 5th meeting. If everything is rendered OK at that point then I would be reluctant to change ... but will listen closely to arguments in favor of other distros. BTW: I have observed that both Stormix and Libranet are Canadian, is there a special Debian relationship to Canada or mere coincidence? Thanks! Doc From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 18:42:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11735 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:42:49 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11732 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:42:49 -0400 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id TAA04262 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 23:43:08 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEDF6A7.E44BFBD@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:35:03 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RedHat 7.1 Install fails References: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <3AEDE10B.FFBC62CC@illusionary.com> <3AEDE2EA.4A0D7D89@yahoo.com> <01043018280504.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > like i said install mandrake 8. the wars are over guys. > Sure, if you never have to deal with ANY configuration files (not very likely). Unfortunatelly, though Mandrake is very user friendly, it's simply sloppy (compare its fstab files to something like SuSE's fstab file or the lilo.conf file and you'll see why I say that), and deffinitelly NOT user friendly to anyone more advanced than point and click. Also, the pittance they give for documentation is simply a sign of "rushing a product out." Sloppy sloppy sloppy. Now, of course, you can have your point 'n click and config too, with something like SuSE. Great developement environment, easy to set up, fast to configure and simple to upkeep. Best of all worlds. Good for the developer, good for the administrator, good for the home user, good for the gamer and - most importantly - good for me. And as for the Debian crowd, I won't argue, if you can it is as comfortable as Stormix. Great distro, great config tools, great package management and well thought out... if you can live without documentation (sorry, Derek, not all of us are "gods" ;) Quoth the Norbert, *smirk some more* _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 18:43:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11745 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:43:49 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11742 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:43:49 -0400 Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id TAA04268 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 23:44:08 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEDF6E3.394AC254@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:36:03 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables References: <3AEDB773.C85F341C@illusionary.com> <20010430174405.E21201@quillandmouse.com> <01043018470907.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net patrick wrote: > > On Monday 30 April 2001 05:44 pm, you wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:05:23PM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > I've seen a couple of remarks going across the list about ipchains and > > > iptables so if SLUG is in need of presentations at the next Tampa > > > meeting, I'd be able to give a presentation on ipchains/iptables and > > > setting up a little home firewall for DSL or cable, for example, if > > > people are interested. > > > > I believe next meeting we have the IBM presentation. But this would be > > outstanding for the following meeting. > > > > Next Tampa meeting should be May 9th. I just sent out an announcement > > about this. > > > > Paul > > thought i'd mention Mandrake 8.0 has firewall built in SuSE Beat them to the punch. *mwahahaha* Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 18:44:27 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11758 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:44:27 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11755 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:44:27 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id TAA04274 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newcomputer ([65.32.70.210]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with SMTP id <20010430234447.SUVM294.flmta01@newcomputer> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:44:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c0d1cf$3dbce940$d2462041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Choosing a Distro to Replace Stormix Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:42:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Good Question >BTW: I have observed that both Stormix and Libranet are Canadian, is there >a special Debian relationship to Canada or mere coincidence? > >Thanks! Doc > Corel , Stormix , Libranet hmmmmmm?????? Could be something in the water perhaps. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 18:53:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11877 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:53:49 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11874 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:53:49 -0400 Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id TAA04361 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 23:54:08 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEDF936.D8E636B7@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:45:58 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Choosing a Distro to Replace Stormix References: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <01043017042500.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEDDA75.2AD09A7E@yahoo.com> <027401c0d1c1$9694c780$5ac03a40@desktop1> <3AEDE347.B4066E24@yahoo.com> <034c01c0d1cb$f87ece00$5ac03a40@desktop1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net edoc wrote: > > > Ever thought of trying Libranet? > > > > http://www.libranet.com (I believe it's version 1.9) > > > > > > Norb > > I looked at it just now, I recall hearing the name before. > I'm not sure I see what Libranet offers that Stormix via > apt-get Debian updates. Once Stormix is fully functional > and updated as appropriate will I really see a meaningful > difference between it and Libranet? > >From what I can tell (I've been strapped for cash as of late), the beauty about Libranet is complete graphiocal tools for everythign, INCLUDING a utility that easily recompiles your kernel (look at the screenshots). It really does look very good, but I hear there are some bugs with it and KDE. I'm now quite sure, but it was something in the version of KOffice they use. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 18:58:02 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11919 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:58:02 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11916 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:58:02 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA04390 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11950 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:57:51 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Choosing a Distro to Replace Stormix Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:52:09 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <006b01c0d1c9$373f4960$d2462041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> <034f01c0d1cc$1534f6a0$5ac03a40@desktop1> In-Reply-To: <034f01c0d1cc$1534f6a0$5ac03a40@desktop1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043019520908.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 07:19 pm, you wrote: > From: "Bpreece" > > > Well first of all if it works why replace it???? You can always update > > the pieces and heck with a litte change > > here and there you could build your own distro based off Stormix. > > > > This is the beauty of Linux. > > It's not working fully yet ... which is why I am bring my laptop to the May > 5th > meeting. If everything is rendered OK at that point then I would be > reluctant > to change ... but will listen closely to arguments in favor of other > distros. i can talk u into anything. but i dont need to:) Mandrake is now in your mind. check it out at mandrakes web site. check out kde.org and kde.com. and considering that mandrake has moved well beyond any of the other distros if u do decide to update why do it with the best distro :) > > BTW: I have observed that both Stormix and Libranet are Canadian, is there > a special Debian relationship to Canada or mere coincidence? > > Thanks! Doc From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 19:01:10 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11943 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:01:10 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11940 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:01:09 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA04406 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA12037 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:00:59 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:55:17 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01042923164001.02089@localhost.localdomain> <3AEDF03A.D3AC3BEF@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3AEDF03A.D3AC3BEF@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043019551709.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 07:07 pm, you wrote: > patrick wrote: > > has anybody tried out the new Mandrake 8. yet. > > i've got it and its the only game in town. > > I downloaded it last week and have it installed on a 450 MHz AMD K6-2 . > It is the first Linux version to work with my onboard Audio. It also > works pretty well with the onboard video. I am disappointed in the > fact that I haven't been able to mount a floppy device though and > mounting of a CD-ROM is flaky at best. I had tried Mandrake 8.0 beta 1 > and I had no problem with Floppy or CD-ROM mounts, (Beta 1 had plenty > other bugs though). Mandrake uses supermount to auto mount the Floppy > and CD-ROM. Strange thing is that the mandrake RPM management tool > mounts the CD-ROM but I can't mount it as a user or as root. I've > checked the all the /dev/* file privileges and added myself and root to > the Floppy and CD-ROM groups. No luck and documentation on supermount > and Mandrake security is pretty sparse. > > I can't say that it is the only game in town if basic functions that > worked on earlier releases no longer work, even if they have added a > pretty install and new functionality. i dont any of the problem u are talking about but if there are fixes to be made they will make them. i think anti alising is awesome. i think the distro is the best just for this. have u checked out the mandrake control panel. ? > > > > -- > Mike Richards > mrichard@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 19:08:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12074 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:08:18 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12071 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:08:18 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA04464 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA12228 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:08:07 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RedHat 7.1 Install fails Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:02:25 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <01043018280504.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEDF6A7.E44BFBD@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3AEDF6A7.E44BFBD@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0104302002250A.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 07:35 pm, you wrote: > > like i said install mandrake 8. the wars are over guys. > > Sure, if you never have to deal with ANY configuration files (not very > likely). Unfortunatelly, though Mandrake is very user friendly, it's > simply sloppy (compare its fstab files to something like SuSE's fstab > file or the lilo.conf file and you'll see why I say that), and > deffinitelly NOT user friendly to anyone more advanced than point and > click. Also, the pittance they give for documentation is simply a sign > of "rushing a product out." Sloppy sloppy sloppy. Now, of course, you > can have your point 'n click and config too, with something like SuSE. > Great developement environment, easy to set up, fast to configure and > simple to upkeep. Best of all worlds. Good for the developer, good for > the administrator, good for the home user, good for the gamer and - most > importantly - good for me. > > And as for the Debian crowd, I won't argue, if you can it is as > comfortable as Stormix. Great distro, great config tools, great package > management and well thought out... if you can live without documentation > (sorry, Derek, not all of us are "gods" ;) > well, there is the new mandrake expert and newbie pages at mandrake. all of your questions could be dealt with there. and there is the mandrake update which i used earlier today to take care of a security problem. i just pointed and clicked it in. and ther are all those terminals u can use. i believe documentation is on the internet. and also the mandrake group at deja is quite talented. its all there. we need to come together and support one distro with kde. the sooner we do this the more united we become. i have used stormix , suse, mandrke and corel. corel and stormix are gone. suse is quite good. i have not used red hat. i have read that as far of ease of use its not inthe ballpark as suse and mandrake. lets see what happens, i believe Mandrake will take over Linux. i believe more and more people will join in with mandrake. if u have any complaints on mandrake u can join in and fix any problems u see. isnt that what linux is all about > Quoth the Norbert, > *smirk some more* > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 19:09:17 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12086 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:09:17 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12083 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:09:17 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA04475 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA12258 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:09:07 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Choosing a Distro to Replace Stormix Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:03:25 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <000601c0d1cf$3dbce940$d2462041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <000601c0d1cf$3dbce940$d2462041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0104302003250B.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 07:42 pm, you wrote: > Good Question > > >BTW: I have observed that both Stormix and Libranet are Canadian, is there > >a special Debian relationship to Canada or mere coincidence? > > > >Thanks! Doc > > Corel , Stormix , Libranet hmmmmmm?????? > > Could be something in the water perhaps. perhaps From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 19:11:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12102 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:11:04 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12099 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:11:04 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA04487 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA12335 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:10:53 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:05:11 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3AEDB773.C85F341C@illusionary.com> <01043018470907.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEDF6E3.394AC254@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3AEDF6E3.394AC254@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0104302005110C.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 07:36 pm, you wrote: > patrick wrote: > > On Monday 30 April 2001 05:44 pm, you wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:05:23PM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > > I've seen a couple of remarks going across the list about ipchains > > > > and iptables so if SLUG is in need of presentations at the next Tampa > > > > meeting, I'd be able to give a presentation on ipchains/iptables and > > > > setting up a little home firewall for DSL or cable, for example, if > > > > people are interested. > > > > > > I believe next meeting we have the IBM presentation. But this would be > > > outstanding for the following meeting. > > > > > > Next Tampa meeting should be May 9th. I just sent out an announcement > > > about this. > > > > > > Paul > > > > thought i'd mention Mandrake 8.0 has firewall built in > > SuSE Beat them to the punch. *mwahahaha* > > Norb but did they beat them to the punch with antialising. and surely they dont have mandrake update. and by the way mandrake has a larger share of the market. we need to come together and support one distro now. > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 19:15:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12187 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:15:00 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12182 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:14:57 -0400 From: Sammy3759@aol.com Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA04520 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sammy3759@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.10.) id 4.f9.9a732a0 (4332) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:14:42 EDT Subject: Re: [SLUG] RedHat 7.1 Install fails To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f9.9a732a0.281f59f2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --part1_f9.9a732a0.281f59f2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit redhat 7.1 has been up on my box for about 3 days with no trouble. you were probably right assuming you had a bad burn. I prefer redhat to mandrake. --part1_f9.9a732a0.281f59f2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit redhat 7.1 has been up on my box for about 3 days with no trouble. you were
probably right assuming you had a bad burn.

I prefer redhat to mandrake.
--part1_f9.9a732a0.281f59f2_boundary-- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 19:19:48 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12241 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:19:48 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12238 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:19:48 -0400 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA04555 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt121nb8.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.186.184]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f410K8v00399 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AEE01F6.4C701157@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:23:18 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "[SLUG]" Subject: [Fwd: Re: [SLUG] Wacom Graphire Pen tablet configuration (XFree86 3.3.x)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ok, since we got ourselves a convoy here's the details. Ed. R P Herrold wrote: > > I am interested -- details plase -- Russ Herrold > > (clip) OK. I started with the howto on the developer's web page: http://lepied.com/xfree86/ copied the latest driver into /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input, pasted the "Module" and "XInput" sections from the web site into /etc/XF86Config, changed the "/dev/ttyS3" to "/dev/ttyS0" and *probably* on any other hardware but mine that would have been the end of it. I am using a serial Wacom tablet. It has two connectors -- one for the serial port (I use ttyS0) and one for the ps/2 port. It needs both. I had used a ps/2 mouse to install everything with and since the wacom tablet is specified to become the "CorePointer" the ps/2 mouse Section "Pointer" shouldn't matter. and the Section "ServerFlags" has "AllowMouseOpenFail" specified. Well I cranked up X and sure enough the tablet was working great -- But the keyboard was DEAD. Not even a numlock light. Had to reboot with the reset button and go through the fsck -- and it's a BIG drive too! I checked the developer mailing list archives linked on the site -- nothing. I did a search on the web for "Linux wacom keyboard" -- nothing. It looked like I as on my own. After many reboots and tests I determined the no matter what the XF86Config says -- with and without the Wacom entries -- the keyboard will not work after starting X with the Wacom plugged. Only by physically unplugging the Wacom would my keyboard work under X. The keyboard is a standard PC AT keyboard and NOT a ps/2 so I was very mystified. The ps/2 connector is specifically called a ps/2 MOUSE connector in the MOBO manual and says specifically that the ps/2 KEYBOARD connector will not be present if the AT keyboard connector in installed on the MOBO at the factory. Anyway I fantasized that MAYBE X is thinking (without even loading the driver!) that the Wacom ps/2 connection is somehow passing through the ps/2 keyboard (or is looking like a ps/2 keyboard) that *isn't* specified in the config file and is trying to get the keyboard input from the wacom instead of the nice "old as the hills" standard keyboard connector so clearly specified in the config. No I wasn't drinking! Anyway I started playing around with the original ps/2 mouse specification in the Section "Pointer" (changing anything else didn't make a bit of difference) to fake out X into taking the standard keyboard. What I found to work was setting "Pointer" section to an unused serial device and letting the X server fail to detect it. That solved everything. I guess I'll find out someday if attempting to use that port for something else is going to be uh....*interesting*. Here's my config file that worked: # # Copyright (c) 1996 SuSE. GmbH Fuerth, Germany. All rights reserved # # Author : Marcus Schaefer , 1999 # # SaX autogenerated XF86Config file # Version : 1.2 (second release) # Server "XF86_SVGA" # MaxDAC 80-300 # Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/URW" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/PEX" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/misc" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/75dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/100dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin7/75dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/kwintv" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/uni" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ucs/misc" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ucs/75dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ucs/100dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/misc" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/75dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/100dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/hellas/Type1" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/xtest" ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" AllowMouseOpenFail EndSection Section "Keyboard" XkbModel "pc104" # pc101 whatever -- didn't matter XkbLayout "us" # this and the next line went in and out -- didn't matter XkbRules "xfree86" Protocol "Standard" # CoreKeyboard "on" # didn't work # AlwaysCore # didn't work EndSection # tried taking the next two sections in and out -- didn't matter. Section "Module" Load "xf86Wacom.so" EndSection # Configure the XInput devices Section "XInput" SubSection "WacomStylus" Port "/dev/ttyS0" DeviceName "Pen1" # DebugLevel 6 Mode Absolute HistorySize 200 AlwaysCore EndSubsection SubSection "WacomEraser" Port "/dev/ttyS0" DeviceName "Eraser1" AlwaysCore Mode Absolute EndSubsection SubSection "WacomCursor" Port "/dev/ttyS0" Mode Absolute AlwaysCore EndSubsection EndSection Section "Pointer" # Device "/dev/psaux" Device "/dev/ttyS1" #unused for now -- heh, heh... # Emulate3Buttons # Protocol "ps/2" Protocol "Microsoft" EndSection The rest is your standard "Monitor" "Device" "Screen" sections not related to pointers and keyboards. ... FYI. Some other possible options for the Wacom subsections are: Suppress don't report movement if it is a shift of more than NUM units -- filters out movement noise. Tiltmode enable tilt report when supported in tablet TopX Top X coordinate of the active input zone TopY Top X coordinate of the active input zone BottomX Bottom X coordinate of the active input zone BottomY Bottom X coordinate of the active input zone KeepShape Flag that uses TopX, TopY to calculate the bottom values by maintaining the aspect ratio of the input area with respect to the display area. Bottom line: there's some goofy interaction with X, a serial wacom, a ps/2 mouse port, and a standard AT keyboard. Ed. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 19:33:35 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12403 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:33:35 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12400 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:33:35 -0400 Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA04642 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-096-103.columbus.rr.com [65.24.96.103]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f410UvL23303 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AEE0439.F0D12271@columbus.rr.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:32:57 -0400 From: Paul Hostetler Organization: authoritative.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables References: <3AEDB773.C85F341C@illusionary.com> <01043018470907.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEDF6E3.394AC254@yahoo.com> <0104302005110C.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net patrick wrote: [chop] > they dont have mandrake update. and by the way mandrake has > a larger share of the market. we need to come together > and support one distro now. Support only one distribution? Hooey! From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 19:39:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12464 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:39:07 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12461 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:39:06 -0400 Received: from mail.citicom.com (citicom.com [64.58.200.1]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA04687 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from desktop1 (dyn126.rio.citicom.com [64.58.192.126]) by mail.citicom.com (MX-CITI/4b) with SMTP id f410dPO10241 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:39:26 -0400 Message-ID: <047501c0d1d6$b43d59e0$5ac03a40@desktop1> From: "edoc" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] RedHat 7.1 Install fails Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:36:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_046E_01C0D1B5.2B6FB200" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Disposition-Notification-To: "edoc" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_046E_01C0D1B5.2B6FB200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No fair ... please say why so the rest of us may learn ... seriously. Thanks! Doc ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sammy3759@aol.com=20 redhat 7.1 has been up on my box for about 3 days with no trouble. you = were=20 probably right assuming you had a bad burn.=20 I prefer redhat to mandrake.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_046E_01C0D1B5.2B6FB200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No fair ... please say why so the rest = of us may=20 learn ... seriously.
 
Thanks!  Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sammy3759@aol.com

redhat 7.1 has been up on my box for about 3 days with no = trouble. you=20 were
probably right assuming you had a bad burn.

I prefer = redhat=20 to mandrake.
------=_NextPart_000_046E_01C0D1B5.2B6FB200-- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 19:40:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12481 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:40:01 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12478 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:40:01 -0400 Received: from server3.safepages.com (server3.safepages.com [216.127.146.5]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA04695 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux (1Cust163.tnt3.clearwater.fl.da.uu.net [63.23.192.163]) by server3.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D49F5D9D for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 00:33:30 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Banshee card and xfree86 4.0.3 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:32:09 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01042922454106.01556@bumgak.mylan.int> In-Reply-To: <01042922454106.01556@bumgak.mylan.int> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043019320900.00264@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sounds like you are using the framebuffer driver in the kernel. This is bad, as those things tend to get flakey with X and vice versa. When X is running, it'll screw up the console display and sometimes they won't fix after X is killed. I follow Paul Foster's credo concerning framebuffer drivers: don't use them. I have a voodoo3 3000 (same chipset as the banshee), and it works great. (I've ogl framerates OVER 240fps in tests). I put my XF86Config file at http://members.acer-access.com/gurensan. I've changed monitors since then, but this file should drop right in. Glen On Sunday 29 April 2001 22:45, you wrote: > Hello, > > I have a Diamond Monster Fusion Video card (VooDoo Banshee > chip) and a Phillips 107S monitor. I have tried getting > XFree86 4.0.3 to work in both Redhat 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 > clean installs with the same results in both. Both the card > and the monitor are found correctly by the install. However, > when I try to startx, things get weird (using KDE). Hard to > explain exactly, but here goes: X starts, but everything is > extremely grainy, the background, icons, everything. The > cursor looks like a fuzzy rectangle. The K menu is about > 1/8" wide, and all icons in it (and on the desktop) are > unreadable. I use the cntrl-alt-backspace to get back to a > command prompt, and I think it does... but the screen is now > a jumble of many colors. Pressing alt+F2 through alt+F6 > reveals that all terminals look the same way. But commands > are accepted... So, I use cntrl-alt-del to reboot. > I have tried Xconfigurator, and I have manually edited the > XF86Config file, and even tried the xfree86config (sp?) > tool, all to no avail. Thanks for any help! > > > Douglas W Koobs MCSE > Network Engineer > Dimension Networks, Inc From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 19:40:41 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12493 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:40:41 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12490 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:40:41 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA04699 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA13278 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:40:31 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] if u have the time Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:34:49 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0104302034490D.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 19:42:32 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12551 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:42:32 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12548 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:42:32 -0400 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id UAA04719 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2001 00:42:51 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEE048D.37D3880E@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:34:22 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables References: <3AEDB773.C85F341C@illusionary.com> <01043018470907.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEDF6E3.394AC254@yahoo.com> <0104302005110C.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net patrick wrote: > > On Monday 30 April 2001 07:36 pm, you wrote: > > patrick wrote: > > > On Monday 30 April 2001 05:44 pm, you wrote: > > > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:05:23PM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > > > I've seen a couple of remarks going across the list about ipchains > > > > > and iptables so if SLUG is in need of presentations at the next Tampa > > > > > meeting, I'd be able to give a presentation on ipchains/iptables and > > > > > setting up a little home firewall for DSL or cable, for example, if > > > > > people are interested. > > > > > > > > I believe next meeting we have the IBM presentation. But this would be > > > > outstanding for the following meeting. > > > > > > > > Next Tampa meeting should be May 9th. I just sent out an announcement > > > > about this. > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > thought i'd mention Mandrake 8.0 has firewall built in > > > > SuSE Beat them to the punch. *mwahahaha* > > > > Norb > > but did they beat them to the punch with antialising. and surely > they dont have mandrake update. Yes they did and they have YaST, which also does the same thing, but better :) (it does FULL dependencies checks, not partial ones that fforget to tell you something is wrong until you've began to download) > and by the way mandrake has > a larger share of the market. we need to come together > and support one distro now. > 1)Where are you getting your info? 2)IF we do, it needs to be part of the open comunity and not just one company. If I wanted to be held to one company as controler for the distro I'd be using FreeBSD and be a slave - err loyalist - to BSDi or whatever it just became (Wind River, River Wind... I forget which is the company and which is the Dragonlance character). Sorry, but I kind of LIKE the ability to argue for who's the best. If we all went to one, Debian would probably have to be it, philosophically speaking.But then again, if I was arguing philosophy, I'd also argue that all these efforts are unethical to be done for profit unless all the money made would be spread proportionally to all the developers involved. (except the guy who invented ping, 'cause he's passed on to the big /etc/hosts file in the sky). 3)I'm thinking this discussion should either go private or go to slug politics. It's fun, but it's aboviously reaching the Jihad level I anticipated. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 19:45:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12599 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:45:18 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12596 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:45:17 -0400 Received: from mail.citicom.com (citicom.com [64.58.200.1]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA04743 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from desktop1 (dyn126.rio.citicom.com [64.58.192.126]) by mail.citicom.com (MX-CITI/4b) with SMTP id f410jaO10559 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:45:36 -0400 Message-ID: <048101c0d1d7$90991820$5ac03a40@desktop1> From: "edoc" To: References: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <01043018280504.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEDF6A7.E44BFBD@yahoo.com> <0104302002250A.01182@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: [SLUG] RedHat 7.1 Install fails Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:42:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Disposition-Notification-To: "edoc" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I believe Mandrake will take over Linux. > i believe more and more people will join in with mandrake. > if u have any complaints on mandrake u can join in and fix > any problems u see. isnt that what linux is all about Who is (are?) the driving force(s) behind Mandrake, please? Besides the perception by some of a momentary advantage in certain features and market share what are the reasons to presume a higher likelihood of survivability ... especially considering that Mandrake is going head-to-head with RH? If two or three of the Debian distros were to merge what then would the picture of their long-term survivability look like? The Linux world seems a little more difficult to predict given the nature of many of its adherents. There also seems to be a drift by some towards BSD ... what's up with that in the long term? Just curious ... Doc From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 19:51:43 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12684 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:51:43 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12681 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:51:42 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA04795 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA13589 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:51:32 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:45:50 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3AEDB773.C85F341C@illusionary.com> <0104302005110C.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEE0439.F0D12271@columbus.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3AEE0439.F0D12271@columbus.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0104302045500E.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 08:32 pm, you wrote: > patrick wrote: > [chop] > > > they dont have mandrake update. and by the way mandrake has > > a larger share of the market. we need to come together > > and support one distro now. > > Support only one distribution? Hooey! no we need to. with microsoft about to launch their new os we now have a wonderful chance to take away the desktop. with the evil gates doing whatever it takes to ruin anyone else that gets in his way, the time has come for us to come together. imagine if u will (for the desktop) that we all combine all of our talents and energies to work together to make one super distro instead of so many smaller ones. imagine just a couple of (easy) ways to install software. and by the way mandrake has rpm mandrake which is 100 percent compatible with red had 4.0 rpm. again its just point and click. for those of u that want to do more than point and click its there. for most of us that dont well one big distro would bring us together. just one rpm format. maybe just one tar gz. i can never get tar gz files to work properly, i dont know why, but i have install several rpms in my mandrake and they worked. good for me. there will still be many ways to implement the desktop. i prefer kde. its the most polished and its growing at an incredible pace. lets discuss this further. thanks From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 19:51:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12694 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:51:44 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12691 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:51:44 -0400 Received: from server1.safepages.com (server1.safepages.com [216.127.146.3]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id UAA04799 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux (2Cust16.tnt11.clearwater.fl.da.uu.net [63.11.127.16]) by server1.safepages.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A5275D7F for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 00:52:02 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:50:42 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3AEDB773.C85F341C@illusionary.com> <20010430174405.E21201@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20010430174405.E21201@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043019504201.00264@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net :(. I can't make Tampa, no matter how I slice it. Is there any chance of having another presentation in Dunedin? It seems like most of the people who do the presentations just skip this meeting. I'm interested in any presentation, really. At Dunedin, unless I've missed something, we've had a total of two of them in the past year, plus a swap meet thing. Glen On Monday 30 April 2001 17:44, you wrote: > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:05:23PM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > > I've seen a couple of remarks going across the list about ipchains and > > iptables so if SLUG is in need of presentations at the next Tampa > > meeting, I'd be able to give a presentation on ipchains/iptables and > > setting up a little home firewall for DSL or cable, for example, if > > people are interested. > > I believe next meeting we have the IBM presentation. But this would be > outstanding for the following meeting. > > Next Tampa meeting should be May 9th. I just sent out an announcement > about this. > > Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 19:55:50 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12709 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:55:50 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12706 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:55:50 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA04818 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA13772 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:55:39 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RedHat 7.1 Install fails Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:49:58 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <047501c0d1d6$b43d59e0$5ac03a40@desktop1> In-Reply-To: <047501c0d1d6$b43d59e0$5ac03a40@desktop1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0104302049580F.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 08:36 pm, you wrote: > No fair ... please say why so the rest of us may learn ... seriously. > > Thanks! Doc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sammy3759@aol.com > > > redhat 7.1 has been up on my box for about 3 days with no trouble. you > were probably right assuming you had a bad burn. > > I prefer redhat to mandrake. i prefer mandrake to red hat and i havent ever used red hat. i have read many article and red had is just not the easies to install and thats what computers are all about. i have used suse which i liked a lot. i tried stormix once before they supported agp video cards and i didnt know they didnt support agp till i finished my install and screen went crazy. corel to me wasnt bad but they seemd to want to be microsoft. the time has come for us to get together. i was actually thinking a while back that it would be great for suse to combine with mandrake. imagine the powerhouse red hat seems to have its success with servers and with the talented gurus of tech. mandrake is for all the rest of us. ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 19:58:27 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12737 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:58:27 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12734 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:58:27 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA04837 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA13826 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:58:16 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:52:34 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3AEDB773.C85F341C@illusionary.com> <0104302005110C.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEE048D.37D3880E@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3AEE048D.37D3880E@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0104302052340G.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 08:34 pm, you wrote: > patrick wrote: > > On Monday 30 April 2001 07:36 pm, you wrote: > > > patrick wrote: > > > > On Monday 30 April 2001 05:44 pm, you wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:05:23PM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > > > > I've seen a couple of remarks going across the list about > > > > > > ipchains and iptables so if SLUG is in need of presentations at > > > > > > the next Tampa meeting, I'd be able to give a presentation on > > > > > > ipchains/iptables and setting up a little home firewall for DSL > > > > > > or cable, for example, if people are interested. > > > > > > > > > > I believe next meeting we have the IBM presentation. But this would > > > > > be outstanding for the following meeting. > > > > > > > > > > Next Tampa meeting should be May 9th. I just sent out an > > > > > announcement about this. > > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > thought i'd mention Mandrake 8.0 has firewall built in > > > > > > SuSE Beat them to the punch. *mwahahaha* > > > > > > Norb > > > > but did they beat them to the punch with antialising. and surely > > they dont have mandrake update. > > Yes they did and they have YaST, which also does the same thing, but > better :) (it does FULL dependencies checks, not partial ones that > fforget to tell you something is wrong until you've began to download) > > > and by the way mandrake has > > a larger share of the market. we need to come together > > and support one distro now. > > 1)Where are you getting your info? > 2)IF we do, it needs to be part of the open comunity and not just one > company. If I wanted to be held to one company as controler for the > distro I'd be using FreeBSD and be a slave - err loyalist - to BSDi or > whatever it just became (Wind River, River Wind... I forget which is the > company and which is the Dragonlance character). Sorry, but I kind of > LIKE the ability to argue for who's the best. If we all went to one, > Debian would probably have to be it, philosophically speaking.But then > again, if I was arguing philosophy, I'd also argue that all these > efforts are unethical to be done for profit unless all the money made > would be spread proportionally to all the developers involved. (except > the guy who invented ping, 'cause he's passed on to the big /etc/hosts > file in the sky). > 3)I'm thinking this discussion should either go private or go to slug > politics. It's fun, but it's aboviously reaching the Jihad level I > anticipated. > > Norb i think the public will decide. lets see what happens > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 20:00:23 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12770 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:00:23 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12767 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:00:22 -0400 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id VAA04856 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2001 01:00:42 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEE08B6.FB43D42C@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:52:06 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] if u have the time References: <0104302034490D.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net patrick wrote: > > http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ YOu'll have to do better than that. Couldn't find it (and no, I don't have the time. can you gimme an exact link?). In fact, last number I heard SuSE had 40+% maket share. Nevertheless, you can't really track marketshare with GNU/Linux because you can download it for free and install it on multiple computers. From what I've seen, Red Hat has the biggest market share, followed by Zogby-only-knows what (actuallyu I'm not even sure he knows). And besides, we use what we like, not what marketshare dictates. P.S. 1 distro? *LOL* Yeah, right! That's how you slow down developement. I mean, look at FreeBSD and Windows... Slllooooowwwwww developement. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 20:01:54 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12784 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:01:54 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12781 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:01:54 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA04863 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA13938 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:01:43 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RedHat 7.1 Install fails Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:56:02 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20010430190235.57464.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> <0104302002250A.01182@localhost.localdomain> <048101c0d1d7$90991820$5ac03a40@desktop1> In-Reply-To: <048101c0d1d7$90991820$5ac03a40@desktop1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0104302056020H.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 08:42 pm, you wrote: > > I believe Mandrake will take over Linux. > > i believe more and more people will join in with mandrake. > > if u have any complaints on mandrake u can join in and fix > > any problems u see. isnt that what linux is all about > > Who is (are?) the driving force(s) behind Mandrake, please? the people. regular people that want ease of use for thier computers. > > Besides the perception by some of a momentary advantage in > certain features and market share what are the reasons to presume > a higher likelihood of survivability ... especially considering that > Mandrake is going head-to-head with RH? the people want mandrake. most people want an easy to use full featured distro. > > If two or three of the Debian distros were to merge what then would > the picture of their long-term survivability look like? fascinating to say the least. imagine the easy of mandrake the brains of suse and business expertise of red hat. > > The Linux world seems a little more difficult to predict given the > nature of many of its adherents. There also seems to be a drift by > some towards BSD ... what's up with that in the long term? i dont have a clue. i have read this also. some are moving to bsd. > > Just curious ... Doc From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 20:05:24 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12891 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:05:24 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12835; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:03:08 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA04891; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.186.184]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with ESMTP id <20010501010328.TZGE294.flmta01@tampabay.rr.com>; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:03:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3AEE0C24.2E3FA0B4@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:06:44 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "[SLUG]" , "[SLUG]Slug Announce" CC: "[SLUG]linux-announce@news.ornl.gov" Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meeting Announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net WHEN AND WHERE: 3 May 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL Take I-4 East to I-75 South. Go south on 75 to the second exit (Hwy 60, Exit 53). Head left (east) under the overpass, and make sure you're in the right lane. When you go to the entrance for Brandon Town Center, you'll see Barnes & Noble on your immediate right. 5 May 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey See the SLUG website (www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) for directions. !!! *** Special Presentation. See details below *** !!! 9 May 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd Lakepointe I Building Tampa, FL 33607 See the SLUG website (www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) for directions. 17 May 19:00-21:00 Brandon II (third Thursday of each month) Computer Advantage Store 217 Brandon Town Center Drive Brandon, FL Across the street from Barnes & Noble, next to Target and Honey Baked Hams. See the SLUG website (www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) for directions. 26 May 09:30-12:00 Dunedin NOT HELD in May. Dunedin meetings WILL resume in June. ACTIVITIES: Special Presentation at the Tampa meeting!! James Cooley, IBM Linux Sales Specialist, will be giving a presentation on IBM's Linux initiative. Remember May 9 Tampa. Don't miss it!! Other meetings include: 1) Preparation, planning and announcements for CTS Show 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) FOLLOWING MEETINGS: 2 June 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) 7 June 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) 13 June 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) 21 June 19:00-21:00 Brandon II (third Thursday of each month) 23 June 09:30-12:00 Dunedin (fourth Saturday of each month) From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 20:22:35 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13127 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:22:35 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13124 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:22:35 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA05043 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13.llc.net [209.136.17.206]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA14521 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:22:24 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] if u have the time Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:16:43 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0104302034490D.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEE08B6.FB43D42C@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3AEE08B6.FB43D42C@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0104302116430I.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 08:52 pm, you wrote: > patrick wrote: > > http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ > > YOu'll have to do better than that. Couldn't find it (and no, I don't > have the time. can you gimme an exact link?). im sorry, i was not addressing your question. i was putting out a link for people to visit. > In fact, last number I heard SuSE had 40+% maket share. Nevertheless, > you can't really track marketshare with GNU/Linux because you can > download it for free and install it on multiple computers. that is true. mandrake and its mirrors got worked to the point of uslessness when they released 8.0 >From what > I've seen, Red Hat has the biggest market share, followed by > Zogby-only-knows what (actuallyu I'm not even sure he knows). > > And besides, we use what we like, not what marketshare dictates. > > P.S. > 1 distro? *LOL* Yeah, right! That's how you slow down developement. I > mean, look at FreeBSD and Windows... Slllooooowwwwww developement. > > Norb linux is not bsd or windows. linux in my opinion is the up and coming (desktop) and i am talking here not anything else. one big distro would give linux a standard. maybe a stand could be implemented for all the distros before the other ones lose so much market share they dont make it. what if suse were to implement mandrakes updater and install feature and red hat too. i realize mandrake started out to be like red hat but now they are even better for MOST OF US. thanks > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? nope :) > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 20:36:45 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13270 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:36:45 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13267 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:36:45 -0400 Received: from asmodean.nks.net (asmodean.nks.net [216.139.201.16]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id VAA05124 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop2pub.verizon.net (smtppop2pub.gte.net [206.46.170.21]) by asmodean.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15456 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:36:46 -0400 Received: from gte.net (tamqfl1-ar3-104-127.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.104.127]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id UAA130624692 Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:41:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3AEE13B6.910B0845@gte.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:39:02 -0400 From: Robert M Mulroy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.1-0.1.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Redhat vs Mandrake Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Just a quick question... I was told once that Redhat owned Mandrake, and that Mandrake was used for development and testing. Does anyone know if that is true? Bob From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 20:36:54 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13280 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:36:54 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13277 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:36:54 -0400 Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id VAA05130 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2001 01:37:13 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEE1136.A258E000@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:28:22 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] if u have the time References: <0104302034490D.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEE08B6.FB43D42C@yahoo.com> <0104302116430I.01182@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > linux is not bsd or windows. linux in my opinion is the up > and coming (desktop) and i am talking here not anything else. > one big distro would give linux a standard. maybe a stand > could be implemented for all the distros before the other > ones lose so much market share they dont make it. what > if suse were to implement mandrakes updater Ever heard of YaST2??? and install > feature and red hat too. Or The Red Hat Network??? i realize mandrake started out > to be like red hat but now they are even better for MOST > OF US. Save for SuSE ;-} *hee hee hee* Desktop and all. (I use Gnome). Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 20:49:35 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13451 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:49:35 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13448 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:49:35 -0400 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id VAA05213 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2001 01:49:54 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEE142B.EE0CD4D8@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:40:59 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] [Fwd: PLease tell me there's a law against this...] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://www.aaxnet.com/news/M010425.html _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 20:59:11 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13538 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:59:11 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13535 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:59:11 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA05259 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp29.llc.net [209.136.17.222]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA15674 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:59:00 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] if u have the time Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:53:19 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0104302034490D.01182@localhost.localdomain> <0104302116430I.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEE1136.A258E000@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3AEE1136.A258E000@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043021531900.03858@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 09:28 pm, you wrote: > > linux is not bsd or windows. linux in my opinion is the up > > and coming (desktop) and i am talking here not anything else. > > one big distro would give linux a standard. maybe a stand > > could be implemented for all the distros before the other > > ones lose so much market share they dont make it. what > > if suse were to implement mandrakes updater > > Ever heard of YaST2??? we dont need 2 of em > > > and install > > > feature and red hat too. > > Or The Red Hat Network??? > > i realize mandrake started out > > > to be like red hat but now they are even better for MOST > > OF US. > > Save for SuSE ;-} *hee hee hee* Desktop and all. (I use Gnome). oh noooo. oh well :) do u mind if i ask why :) > > Norb > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 21:00:41 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13574 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:00:41 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13571 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:00:41 -0400 Received: from flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (flmta01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.2.48]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA05275 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.186.184]) by flmta01.tampabay.rr.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license 541af9c8d43ceece5580e1c94f6d0eb3) with ESMTP id <20010501020101.UVBS294.flmta01@tampabay.rr.com> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:01:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3AEE19A1.234A281D@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:04:17 -0400 From: Ed Centanni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "[SLUG]" Subject: [SLUG] SLUG on Linux Today Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net In case anyone hasn't noticed already, SLUG is mentioned on LinuxToday. Thanks Norb for the great writeup! Ed. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-04-29-012-20-PR From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 21:03:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13628 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:03:04 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13625 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:03:04 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA05308 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp29.llc.net [209.136.17.222]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA15779 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:02:53 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: PLease tell me there's a law against this...] Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:57:12 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3AEE142B.EE0CD4D8@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3AEE142B.EE0CD4D8@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043021571201.03858@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 09:40 pm, you wrote: > http://www.aaxnet.com/news/M010425.html i read this earlier today. found it fascinating. gates will do anything to get his way. just another reason we need one distro for the desktop., in my opinion > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 21:22:52 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13862 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:22:52 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13859 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:22:52 -0400 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id WAA05424 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2001 02:23:11 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEE1BEC.8851C4AB@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:14:04 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] if u have the time References: <0104302034490D.01182@localhost.localdomain> <0104302116430I.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEE1136.A258E000@yahoo.com> <01043021531900.03858@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > OF US. > > > > Save for SuSE ;-} *hee hee hee* Desktop and all. (I use Gnome). > > oh noooo. oh well :) > > do u mind if i ask why :) > I can configure it up the kalamazoo by the river wazoo. I've used KDE long enough to know it can't be configured nearly as much as Gnome. And I don't mean emulating Windows or KDE. I've done enough with Gnome to put pretty much all other GUIs to shame (save for maybe Enlightenment, which I use with Gnome :) KDE has its strong points, but it's nowhere near as flexible as Gnome. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 21:23:53 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13878 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:23:53 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13875 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:23:53 -0400 Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id WAA05436 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2001 02:24:12 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEE1C28.22878E48@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:15:04 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: PLease tell me there's a law against this...] References: <3AEE142B.EE0CD4D8@yahoo.com> <01043021571201.03858@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net patrick wrote: > > On Monday 30 April 2001 09:40 pm, you wrote: > > http://www.aaxnet.com/news/M010425.html > > i read this earlier today. found it fascinating. gates will do anything > to get his way. just another reason we need one distro for the > desktop., in my opinion > And how many Distros of Windows have you seen out there? All the more reason to support having MULTIPLE distros. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 21:26:21 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13890 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:26:21 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13887 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:26:21 -0400 Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id WAA05454 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2001 02:26:40 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEE1CBB.99371E54@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:17:31 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG on Linux Today References: <3AEE19A1.234A281D@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ed Centanni wrote: > > In case anyone hasn't noticed already, SLUG is mentioned on LinuxToday. > Thanks Norb for the great writeup! > > Ed. > > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-04-29-012-20-PR Thanks to Tina and Paul. I just wrote the "rough draft." They were the ones to create David from a block of marble. Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 21:35:43 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14009 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:35:43 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14006 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:35:42 -0400 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA05521 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.localdomain (24129149hfc50.tampabay.rr.com [24.129.149.50]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f412a1O03149 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Seth To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Redhat vs Mandrake Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:37:04 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3AEE13B6.910B0845@gte.net> In-Reply-To: <3AEE13B6.910B0845@gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043022370400.01374@home.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I never heard that one, mandrake is a french company the only connection to redhat is that it is (was?) based on it. at least that's what I understand On Monday 30 April 2001 21:39, you wrote: > Just a quick question... I was told once that Redhat owned Mandrake, and > that Mandrake was used for development and testing. Does anyone know if > that is true? > > Bob -- Seth seth@hollen.org Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 21:36:52 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14036 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:36:52 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14033 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:36:52 -0400 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id WAA05537 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2001 02:37:11 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEE1F2E.B41EC3D3@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:27:58 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] if u have the time References: <0104302034490D.01182@localhost.localdomain> <0104302116430I.01182@localhost.localdomain> <3AEE1136.A258E000@yahoo.com> <01043021531900.03858@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net patrick wrote: > > On Monday 30 April 2001 09:28 pm, you wrote: > > > linux is not bsd or windows. linux in my opinion is the up > > > and coming (desktop) and i am talking here not anything else. > > > one big distro would give linux a standard. maybe a stand > > > could be implemented for all the distros before the other > > > ones lose so much market share they dont make it. what > > > if suse were to implement mandrakes updater > > > > Ever heard of YaST2??? > > we dont need 2 of em That's why YaST2 (as well as its text based parent, YaST) Does SO MuCH MORE! Update software and system maintenance, including hardware, security, booting and on and on and on... Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 21:50:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14212 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:50:12 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14209 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:50:11 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id WAA05638 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp29.llc.net [209.136.17.222]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17286 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:50:00 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: PLease tell me there's a law against this...] Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:44:18 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3AEE142B.EE0CD4D8@yahoo.com> <01043021571201.03858@localhost.localdomain> <3AEE1C28.22878E48@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3AEE1C28.22878E48@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043022441802.03858@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 10:15 pm, you wrote: > patrick wrote: > > On Monday 30 April 2001 09:40 pm, you wrote: > > > http://www.aaxnet.com/news/M010425.html > > > > i read this earlier today. found it fascinating. gates will do anything > > to get his way. just another reason we need one distro for the > > desktop., in my opinion > > And how many Distros of Windows have you seen out there? > > All the more reason to support having MULTIPLE distros. multiple distros only if they are all compatible with mandrake. > > Norb > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 21:57:17 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14261 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:57:17 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14258 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:57:17 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA05679 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp29.llc.net [209.136.17.222]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17493 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:57:05 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] if u have the time Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:51:25 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0104302034490D.01182@localhost.localdomain> <01043021531900.03858@localhost.localdomain> <3AEE1F2E.B41EC3D3@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3AEE1F2E.B41EC3D3@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043022512503.03858@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 10:27 pm, you wrote: > patrick wrote: > > On Monday 30 April 2001 09:28 pm, you wrote: > > > > linux is not bsd or windows. linux in my opinion is the up > > > > and coming (desktop) and i am talking here not anything else. > > > > one big distro would give linux a standard. maybe a stand > > > > could be implemented for all the distros before the other > > > > ones lose so much market share they dont make it. what > > > > if suse were to implement mandrakes updater > > > > > > Ever heard of YaST2??? > > > > we dont need 2 of em > > That's why YaST2 (as well as its text based parent, YaST) Does SO MuCH > MORE! Update software and system maintenance, including hardware, > security, booting and on and on and on... that may well be true. from what i have read on the internet yast 2 still needs lots of work for regular people to use. i dont consider u to be one by the way. u seem to be much more intelligent than the rest of us. a little joke now here we are discussing the benefits or not of one distro and we come to the realize that even suse has 2 yasts instead of one :) go figure > > Norb > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 21:59:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14287 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:59:01 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14284 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:59:01 -0400 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA05691 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.33.36.116] (tamqfl1-ar1-036-116.elnk.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.36.116]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19682 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105010259.TAA19682@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:59:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Choosing a Distro to Replace Stormix From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I think that for stormix you just have to change your apt.sources list away from the (dead) stormix and point them at Debian's (or a clone's) sources. There was something about this, just very vaguely mentioned, in a recent Linux Magazine... Russell ----------------------- I don't care if you're going nowhere, Just take good care of the world. -- Depeche Mode ---------- >From: Norbert Cartagena >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Choosing a Distro to Replace Stormix >Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2001, 19:45 > > edoc wrote: >> >> > Ever thought of trying Libranet? >> > >> > http://www.libranet.com (I believe it's version 1.9) >> > >> > >> > Norb >> >> I looked at it just now, I recall hearing the name before. >> I'm not sure I see what Libranet offers that Stormix via >> apt-get Debian updates. Once Stormix is fully functional >> and updated as appropriate will I really see a meaningful >> difference between it and Libranet? >> > > From what I can tell (I've been strapped for cash as of late), the > beauty about Libranet is complete graphiocal tools for everythign, > INCLUDING a utility that easily recompiles your kernel (look at the > screenshots). It really does look very good, but I hear there are some > bugs with it and KDE. I'm now quite sure, but it was something in the > version of KOffice they use. > > Norb > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 22:12:14 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14430 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:12:14 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14427 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:12:13 -0400 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA05778 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [4.33.36.116] (tamqfl1-ar1-036-116.elnk.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.36.116]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22330 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105010312.UAA22330@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:12:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: PLease tell me there's a law against this...] From: "Russell Hires" To: slug@nks.net Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3071517147_196288_MIME_Part" Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3071517147_196288_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Of course, we have the obvious question: what if someone buys a volume of PC's with GNU/Linux on them? Then what? What sort of punitive action will M$ take on the company that made the sale? The question is also whether M$ can show up at your door and have you perform an audit even though there is no claim on having _any_ M$ products on any machines (except for WINE, but does that count?) Do you think they would sue? Can they sue you for _not_ having Windows on your computer? That's how this is coming across... Russell ----------------------- I don't care if you're going nowhere, Just take good care of the world. -- Depeche Mode ---------- From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: PLease tell me there's a law against this...] Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2001, 21:57 On Monday 30 April 2001 09:40 pm, you wrote: > http://www.aaxnet.com/news/M010425.html i read this earlier today. found it fascinating. gates will do anything to get his way. just another reason we need one distro for the desktop., in my opinion > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --MS_Mac_OE_3071517147_196288_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: PLease tell me there's a law against this...]</TITL= E> </HEAD> <BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#FFFFFF"> <FONT FACE=3D"Times">Of course, we have the obvious question: what if someone= buys a volume of PC's with GNU/Linux on them? Then what? What sort of punit= ive action will M$ take on the company that made the sale? The question is a= lso whether M$ can show up at your door and have you perform an audit even t= hough there is no claim on having _any_ M$ products on any machines (except = for WINE, but does that count?) Do you think they would sue? Can they sue yo= u for _not_ having Windows on your computer? That's how this is coming acros= s...<BR> <BR> Russell<BR> <BR> -----------------------<BR> I don't care if you're going nowhere, <BR> Just take good care of the world.<BR>     -- Depeche Mode<BR> <BR> ----------<BR> From: patrick <patrick@llc.net><BR> To: slug@nks.net<BR> Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: PLease tell me there's a law against this...]<BR> Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2001, 21:57<BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT><TT>On Monday 30 April 2001 09:40 pm, you wrote:<BR> >  <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>http://www.aaxnet.com/news/M010425.html= <BR> </U></FONT><BR> <BR> i read this earlier today. found it fascinating. gates will do anything<BR> to get his way. just another reason we need one distro for the<BR> desktop., in my opinion<BR> ><BR> > _________________________________________________________<BR> > Do You Yahoo!?<BR> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>http://ma= il.yahoo.com<BR> </U></FONT><BR> </TT> </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3071517147_196288_MIME_Part-- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 22:24:16 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14600 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:24:16 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14597 for <slug@nks.net>; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:24:16 -0400 Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA05863 for <slug@nks.net>; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from louise (ip40.tampa7.fl.pub-ip.psi.net [38.37.6.40]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f413OXv118212 for <slug@nks.net>; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:24:33 -0400 Message-ID: <010b01c0d1ee$86bc8fa0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" <lsanders@flash.net> To: <slug@nks.net> References: <3AEC313D.FE36C89F@yahoo.com> <20010430054644.12624.qmail@web5408.mail.yahoo.com> <20010430172353.B21201@quillandmouse.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Box and Brian's Question Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:09:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I think Paul and Norb are right. Books like "Running Linux" and sites like www.linuxnewbie.org are great sources. Ask 'What is it I want to do?" (music, home lans, code development?) and then read the HOWTOs on that subject. Use your project as an excuse to learn more. Larry ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse.com> To: <slug@nks.net> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Box and Brian's Question > On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:46:44PM -0700, Brian Chabot wrote: > > > I just thought of a question!! Of course the material for learning > > Linux on the net is extensive but, what I have the most difficulty > > learning is after I've installed a particular Linux ver. (RH seems to > > be > > the most documented and exclusively used by many) is simply getting > > around and knowing where to find files, peripherals, etc. I guess my > > question is what should someone thats starting to learn Linux learn > > first. Ex: how to program in C language, or Unix, or how the Kernel > > works, etc... > > You _don't_ need to learn to program to use Linux, nor do you need to > know how the kernel works. > > First thing's first, unless you have specific questions, is to learn > where things are on your filesystems. What each directory is for, what > kind of files are there. In particular, pay attention to what's in the > /etc directory, since most of the major config files are in that > directory or its subdirectories. > > You can also go on the website http://www.suncoastlug.org/faq.html > One of the FAQs is about how DOS commands compare to Linux commands. > Learn to use those commands, read the man pages on them. ("Read the man > pages" = man cp if the command you're interested in is "cp".) > > Also, take a look for any newbie stuff on the net. You can check out > linux.com, linux.org and such. And of course, buy a book like "Running > Linux" to read when you're in the bathroom and can't use your computer. > ;-} > > Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 22:51:06 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14899 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:51:06 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14896 for <slug@nks.net>; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:51:06 -0400 Received: from mail.citicom.com (citicom.com [64.58.200.1]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA06008 for <slug@nks.net>; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from desktop1 (dyn205.rio.citicom.com [64.58.192.205]) by mail.citicom.com (MX-CITI/4b) with SMTP id f413pPO17614 for <slug@nks.net>; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:51:25 -0400 Message-ID: <067d01c0d1f1$70257380$5ac03a40@desktop1> From: "edoc" <kd4e@arrl.net> To: <slug@nks.net> References: <200105010312.UAA22330@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: PLease tell me there's a law against this...] Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:47:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_067A_01C0D1CF.E85CB880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Disposition-Notification-To: "edoc" <kd4e@arrl.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_067A_01C0D1CF.E85CB880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: PLease tell me there's a law against this...]The simple = solution is for all vendors to ship with a Free copy of Linux. The MS statement says "operating system" not "Microsoft operating=20 system". Even better, make sure that the Linux os is from IBM ... and dare MS to = go=20 after them and claim that their os is grounds to sue anyone ... won't = happen. MS may have just provided the incentive millions of PC builders need to=20 sell UP to Linux from MS! :-) Doc Of course, we have the obvious question: what if someone buys a volume = of PC's with GNU/Linux on them? Then what? What sort of punitive action = will M$ take on the company that made the sale? The question is also = whether M$ can show up at your door and have you perform an audit even = though there is no claim on having _any_ M$ products on any machines = (except for WINE, but does that count?) Do you think they would sue? Can = they sue you for _not_ having Windows on your computer? That's how this = is coming across... Russell On Monday 30 April 2001 09:40 pm, you wrote: > http://www.aaxnet.com/news/M010425.html i read this earlier today. found it fascinating. gates will do = anything to get his way. just another reason we need one distro for the desktop., in my opinion ------=_NextPart_000_067A_01C0D1CF.E85CB880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: PLease tell me there's a law against = this...]
The simple solution is for all vendors = to ship with=20 a Free copy of Linux.
The MS statement says "operating = system" not=20 "Microsoft operating
system".
 
Even better, make sure that the Linux = os is from=20 IBM ... and dare MS to go
after them and claim that their os is = grounds to=20 sue anyone ... won't happen.
 
MS may have just provided the incentive = millions of=20 PC builders need to
sell UP to Linux from MS!
 
:-)  Doc
 

Of course, we=20 have the obvious question: what if someone buys a volume of PC's with=20 GNU/Linux on them? Then what? What sort of punitive action will M$ = take on the=20 company that made the sale? The question is also whether M$ can show = up at=20 your door and have you perform an audit even though there is no claim = on=20 having _any_ M$ products on any machines (except for WINE, but does = that=20 count?) Do you think they would sue? Can they sue you for _not_ having = Windows=20 on your computer? That's how this is coming=20 across...

Russell


On Monday 30 April 2001 = 09:40=20 pm, you wrote:
>  http://www.aaxnet.com/news/M010425.html
=

i=20 read this earlier today. found it fascinating. gates will do = anything
to=20 get his way. just another reason we need one distro for = the
desktop., in my=20 opinion
------=_NextPart_000_067A_01C0D1CF.E85CB880-- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 22:53:31 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14960 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:53:31 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14957 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:53:30 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id XAA06044 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14uQOX-0005mH-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:00:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:00:08 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables Message-ID: <20010430230008.G21201@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <3AEDB773.C85F341C@illusionary.com> <20010430174405.E21201@quillandmouse.com> <01043019504201.00264@linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <01043019504201.00264@linux>; from tuck@acer-access.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 07:50:42PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 07:50:42PM -0400, Glen Canaday wrote: > :(. I can't make Tampa, no matter how I slice it. Is there any chance of > having another presentation in Dunedin? It seems like most of the people who > do the presentations just skip this meeting. I'm interested in any > presentation, really. At Dunedin, unless I've missed something, we've had a > total of two of them in the past year, plus a swap meet thing. > If all goes well, I'll do a presentation on procmail at the next Dunedin meeting. Yeah, I know it's not as good as IBM/Linux and home networking, but it's better than nothing. That is, unless someone else wants to do a different presentation for that meeting.... ;-} Paul > Glen > > On Monday 30 April 2001 17:44, you wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:05:23PM -0400, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > I've seen a couple of remarks going across the list about ipchains and > > > iptables so if SLUG is in need of presentations at the next Tampa > > > meeting, I'd be able to give a presentation on ipchains/iptables and > > > setting up a little home firewall for DSL or cable, for example, if > > > people are interested. > > > > I believe next meeting we have the IBM presentation. But this would be > > outstanding for the following meeting. > > > > Next Tampa meeting should be May 9th. I just sent out an announcement > > about this. > > > > Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 23:25:31 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15297 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:25:31 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15294 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:25:30 -0400 Received: from storm.llc.net (root@storm.llc.net [209.136.17.2]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA06260 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 00:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp4.llc.net [209.136.17.197]) by storm.llc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA20037 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:25:19 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" From: patrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: PLease tell me there's a law against this...] Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 00:19:40 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200105010312.UAA22330@snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net> <067d01c0d1f1$70257380$5ac03a40@desktop1> In-Reply-To: <067d01c0d1f1$70257380$5ac03a40@desktop1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01050100194000.04459@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 April 2001 11:47 pm, you wrote: > Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: PLease tell me there's a law against this...]The simple > solution is for all vendors to ship with a Free copy of Linux. The MS > statement says "operating system" not "Microsoft operating > system". > > Even better, make sure that the Linux os is from IBM ... and dare MS to go > after them and claim that their os is grounds to sue anyone ... won't > happen. > > MS may have just provided the incentive millions of PC builders need to > sell UP to Linux from MS! > > :-) Doc > > Of course, we have the obvious question: what if someone buys a volume of > PC's with GNU/Linux on them? Then what? What sort of punitive action will > M$ take on the company that made the sale? gates will of course be gates and do whatever he pleases. i believe in the u s the political (thinking) in place now would allow him to do this. The question is also whether M$ > can show up at your door and have you perform an audit even though there is > no claim on having _any_ M$ products on any machines (except for WINE, but > does that count?) Do you think they would sue? Can they sue you for _not_ > having Windows on your computer? That's how this is coming across... > > Russell > > On Monday 30 April 2001 09:40 pm, you wrote: > > http://www.aaxnet.com/news/M010425.html > > i read this earlier today. found it fascinating. gates will do anything > to get his way. just another reason we need one distro for the > desktop., in my opinion ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 23:45:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15552 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:45:59 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15549 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:45:59 -0400 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by cloven.nks.net with ESMTP id AAA06428 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 00:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14uRDJ-0007PN-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:52:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:52:36 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Banshee card and xfree86 4.0.3 Message-ID: <20010430235236.I21201@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <01042922454106.01556@bumgak.mylan.int> <01043019320900.00264@linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <01043019320900.00264@linux>; from tuck@acer-access.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 07:32:09PM -0400 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 07:32:09PM -0400, Glen Canaday wrote: > Sounds like you are using the framebuffer driver in the kernel. This is bad, > as those things tend to get flakey with X and vice versa. When X is running, > it'll screw up the console display and sometimes they won't fix after X is > killed. I follow Paul Foster's credo concerning framebuffer drivers: don't > use them. I haven't checked out a framebuffer server in a year or two. My experience at the time was that it was buggy and didn't take advantage of the standard character set available on all PCs and monitors. That made it slower, and it required adjustment not normally necessary on PCs. Has that changed in the last couple of years? I dunno, since I haven't looked. And just for the record, my main machines (not the servers) are Pentium 133/166's, with 32 or 48 meg of memory and Diamond Stealth 2000 cards. No sound cards, since I don't like my computer doing anything but beeping at me. They play a passable game of Quake or Quake II, and do anything else I need. (The servers don't have enough memory or strong enough video cards to run even a passable X server.) Some day, I'll upgrade. But as long as my hardware does what I need, I don't really care to spend the money. Besides, I spend plenty enough regularly upgrading my wife's machines so she can run Windows software. Point here is that while a really current machine can make Linux sing, you can get an awful lot of actual work done on a machine that's a couple of generations back. As for servers, even 486's are more than adequate in most cases. Linux is a beautiful thing. Paul From owner-slug-track29@homer.mkintl.com Mon Apr 30 23:48:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15615 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:48:42 -0400 Received: from cloven.nks.net (cloven-i-0.nks.net [192.168.1.252] (may be forged)) by homer.mkintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15612 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:48:42 -0400 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by cloven.nks.net with SMTP id AAA06459 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 00:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 653268hfc60.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.68.60) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2001 04:49:01 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3AEE3DDE.630DAF93@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 00:38:54 -0400 From: Norbert Cartagena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-4GB i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: PLease tell me there's a law against this...] References: <3AEE142B.EE0CD4D8@yahoo.com> <01043021571201.03858@localhost.localdomain> <3AEE1C28.22878E48@yahoo.com> <01043022441802.03858@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net patrick wrote: > > On Monday 30 April 2001 10:15 pm, you wrote: > > patrick wrote: > > > On Monday 30 April 2001 09:40 pm, you wrote: > > > > http://www.aaxnet.com/news/M010425.html > > > > > > i read this earlier today. found it fascinating. gates will do anything > > > to get his way. just another reason we need one distro for the > > > desktop., in my opinion > > > > And how many Distros of Windows have you seen out there? > > > > All the more reason to support having MULTIPLE distros. > > multiple distros only if they are all compatible with mandrake. > Actually, all distros should be compatible with all distros. This is one of the main reasons for open-sourcing stuff, so you don't deal with compatability issues. Now, if Mandrake could just work a bit on their printed docs, maybe they'd be a bit more compatible with the average Adeer Doe. SuSE on the other hand (and Red Hat, from third parties...) Norb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com