From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 1 01:20:17 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA20394 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:20:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA20391 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:20:17 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01150 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:20:16 -0500 Received: from progeny (653487hfc103.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.87.103]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fB16Jkp10537 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:19:46 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: james martinez To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sharp PDA Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 20:20:28 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200112010334.fB13YQp10271@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200112010334.fB13YQp10271@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01113020202800.00537@progeny> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have been waiting for this to come out. And just as soon as I can justify buying one I will. On Friday 30 November 2001 22:34, you wrote: > Hi > I was just wondering if anyone on the list was planning on buying the Sharp > Zaurus SL-5000D that just came out? > > thanks Jim From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 1 00:56:11 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA20371 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:56:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA20368 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:56:10 -0500 Received: from goliath.cnchost.com (goliath.cnchost.com [207.155.252.47]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01082 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:56:10 -0500 From: paulf@quillandmouse.com Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by goliath.cnchost.com id AAA08172; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:55:38 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16A3Cz-0000XQ-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 01:01:05 -0500 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Mailing List Policies Message-Id: Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 01:01:05 -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug (This is a regular posting of the charter for the SLUG email list.) 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 1 00:58:35 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA20376 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:58:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA20373 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:58:35 -0500 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA01085 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:58:34 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2001 05:58:03 -0000 Message-ID: <3C07DE34.50103@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:29:56 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sharp PDA References: <200112010334.fB13YQp10271@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Jim wrote: > Hi > I was just wondering if anyone on the list was planning on buying the Sharp > Zaurus SL-5000D that just came out? > > thanks Jim > > I'm thinking about it, once it's in production. Right now, though, it just looks like the latest and greatest Universal remote. Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 1 01:01:23 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA20381 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:01:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA20378 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:01:22 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01097 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:01:22 -0500 Received: from midas.lan (6535199hfc149.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.199.149]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id fB160aA02986 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 01:00:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sharp PDA From: Seth Hollen To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200112010334.fB13YQp10271@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200112010334.fB13YQp10271@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/0.99.2 (Preview Release) Date: 01 Dec 2001 00:57:41 -0500 Message-Id: <1007186277.5498.0.camel@midas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I like the looks of it but haven't heard of a price yet, anyone know? Seth On Fri, 2001-11-30 at 22:34, Jim wrote: > Hi > I was just wondering if anyone on the list was planning on buying the Sharp > Zaurus SL-5000D that just came out? > > thanks Jim > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 1 04:14:50 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA20502 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 04:14:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA20499 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 04:14:49 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01688 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 04:14:49 -0500 Received: from there (242857hfc125.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.57.125]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fB19EIZ08685 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 04:14:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200112010914.fB19EIZ08685@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Jim To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sharp PDA Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 04:14:40 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <200112010334.fB13YQp10271@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> <1007186277.5498.0.camel@midas> In-Reply-To: <1007186277.5498.0.camel@midas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I believe the price is $399. You have to sign up as a developer on their website: http://developer.sharpsec.com/ Jim On Saturday 01 December 2001 12:57 am, you wrote: > I like the looks of it but haven't heard of a price yet, anyone know? > > Seth > > On Fri, 2001-11-30 at 22:34, Jim wrote: > > Hi > > I was just wondering if anyone on the list was planning on buying the > > Sharp Zaurus SL-5000D that just came out? > > > > thanks Jim From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 1 16:32:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA21064 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:32:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA21061 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:32:59 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03296 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:32:59 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fB1LWSS21664 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:32:28 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C07DFDF.5060807@ij.net> References: <01112401012800.01752@linux> <01112500425100.00606@linux> <01112503071502.31612@a.genesis.com> <01113001313300.00606@linux> <3C07DFDF.5060807@ij.net> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:26:03 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian and Window Managers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yes, Scott. That was me. All I want to do is use a CAD program in Debian Sparc, yet the upgrade to Woody has messed my former X configuration. I guess I'll have to try more options under update-alternatives. I'll try the --display option next. Mario >Mario, I can't remember if you were the one having trouble with >Debian and Window managers, but here's something that may help >whoever it was. > >I would try using the middle, left, and right mouse buttons to see >if you can get some type of menu when you are in X. I know the >window manager sawfish doesn't give you much of anything on the >screen. > >Also, I would get a virtual terminal with ctrl-alt-F2 and then do a >ps aux to see what processes are running, and what window manager if >any. > >Thirdly, it almost seems like you have some type of X session >manager running. I think xdm gives a small xterm window when it >starts X. Try update-alternatives --display x-session-manager to >see if anything is pointed to. > > > > scott -- From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 1 21:10:13 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA21184 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:10:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA21181 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:10:12 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03672 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:10:12 -0500 Received: from midas.lan (6535199hfc149.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.199.149]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id fB229fA18441 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:09:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sharp PDA From: Seth Hollen To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200112010914.fB19EIZ08685@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200112010334.fB13YQp10271@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> <1007186277.5498.0.camel@midas> <200112010914.fB19EIZ08685@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/0.99.2 (Preview Release) Date: 01 Dec 2001 21:07:01 -0500 Message-Id: <1007258822.2530.0.camel@midas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Well I'll get two then ;) just kidding , but they do look nice Seth On Sat, 2001-12-01 at 04:14, Jim wrote: > I believe the price is $399. You have to sign up as a developer on their > website: > http://developer.sharpsec.com/ > Jim > > On Saturday 01 December 2001 12:57 am, you wrote: > > I like the looks of it but haven't heard of a price yet, anyone know? > > > > Seth > > > > On Fri, 2001-11-30 at 22:34, Jim wrote: > > > Hi > > > I was just wondering if anyone on the list was planning on buying the > > > Sharp Zaurus SL-5000D that just came out? > > > > > > thanks Jim > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 1 21:24:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA21199 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:24:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA21196 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:24:08 -0500 Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03696 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:24:08 -0500 Received: from sdn-ar-006fltampp217.dialsprint.net ([63.178.181.233] helo=noname.nodomain.nowhere) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AMI5-0005Mg-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 21:23:37 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Tim Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Network Port Hosed - Webmin? Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:26:43 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120121264300.01298@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Now I've gone and done it. I was using Webmin yesterday to tweak some disk drive settings and work a directories permissions problem. When I tried getting back into Webmin to fix something I broke on my printer driver, Konqueror tells me the Localhost port is not available "Could not connect to host Localhost (port 1000)." Netscape gives me a bunch of doubletalk about not finding the server "keyword.netscape.com" then an error message about the SOCKS pointer. I'm using Caldera eDesktop 2.4, and Webmin goes in through port 1000. I nosed around to see if something else has latched onto Port 1000 and can't see anything with "ps -e" (probably the wrong command). Shutting down and rebooting didn't change anything. So what do I do now to fix it? From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 1 22:24:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA21236 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:24:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA21233 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:24:28 -0500 Received: from femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.88]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03771 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:24:27 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011202032357.EAHR10073.femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:23:57 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Network Port Hosed - Webmin? Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:24:38 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01120121264300.01298@noname.nodomain.nowhere> In-Reply-To: <01120121264300.01298@noname.nodomain.nowhere> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120122243805.13955@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 01 December 2001 21:26, you wrote: > I'm using Caldera eDesktop 2.4, and Webmin goes in through port > 1000. I nosed around to see if something else has latched onto Port > 1000 and can't see anything with "ps -e" (probably the wrong > command). > > Shutting down and rebooting didn't change anything. So what do I do > now to fix it? Try port 10000 (10,000) -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 990496 554856 0 338292 336592 Swap: 401584 0 401584 Total: 1946936 990496 956440 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 10:24pmup 20:30, 2 users, load average: 0.35, 0.17, 0.09 From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 2 00:06:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA21348 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:06:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA21345 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:06:17 -0500 Received: from mtapop4pub.verizon.net (mtapop4pub.gte.net [206.46.170.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04034 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:06:17 -0500 Received: from desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-022.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.22]) by mtapop4pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id XAA12020462 Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:05:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <011201c17aee$f6e20fe0$6b35fea9@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc - KD4E" To: References: <200112010502.fB152jv04968@xlate2.corplink.net> Subject: [SLUG] MISSED OPPORTUNITY AT TAMPA FEST Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:05:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I attended the annual Tampa Fest at the Manatee Convention Center today. It was bigger and better than 2000! Everywhere I went I asked about Linux and there was more interest than in 2000 -- but Linux was nealy non-existent but for one person using it to run a wireless link 3 miles to a government facility. A SLUG table where copies of Linux CDs are offered at cost, where Linux demos are presented, and where Linux questions are answered would make a huge splash. The Amateur Radio community is a natural for Linux and the Tampa Fest seems to draw a larger-than-usual population of technologically proficient and serious Amateur Radio operators. The fest continues tomorrow so anyone interested in seeing this first hand may still do so, though I don't know if the attendance will be as high -- I never attend on Sundays. doc From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 2 00:26:14 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA21451 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:26:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA21448 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:26:13 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04157 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:26:12 -0500 Received: from linux ([64.58.217.28]) by SANCTUM.COM with SMTP (IOA-IPAD 2.70d/96) id 2484900; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 00:27:11 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 5th of a dozen questions - No luck Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:27:18 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <01112401012800.01752@linux> <01113001313300.00606@linux> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120200271800.00777@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id AAA21449 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Friday 30 November 2001 12:36 pm, you all wrote: Mario wrote: > Bob, I'll try to help you. It has been a while since I've burned > a CD. > > Steps #1, #2, and #3 are fine. > > I don't believe the mount command can accept anything short of a > real /DEVice. In other words, you can't use a softlink here--which > is why you got "/dev/cdrecorder:unknown device." Secondly, and for > that reason, you must use a real device (/dev/scd0) in /etc/fstab. > Knowing this, remove /dev/cdrecorder in your /etc/fstab and replace > it with /dev/scd0 since this was your original target. When you're > out of editing fstab, make sure you create a directory where > /dev/scd0 can exist; do a mkdir /cdrecorder. Your fstab will be > complaint with the mount command. OK, Did as suggested and changed /dev/cdrecorder to /dev/scd0. There already was a directory , /media/cdrecorder as was suggested by Suse and is in the fstab file as the mount prompt. Now when I do a "mount /dev/scdo or a mount /media/cdrecorder" I get the same result with differnt words: "mount: /dev/scd0 unknown device" > > About the actual CD burning software, the only reason I can see you > wanted to use /dev/cdrecorder is if your software incessantly wants > to hit the device directly and doesn't know of another you can > select--In this case, /dev/cdrecorder. Can't get that far. "cdrecord -scanbus" produces a "No such file or directory. Cannot open scsi driver" Although this is what I want to do, I am trying to mount it to make sure it is recognized and to be able to read from the drive. > > In reply, could you post your entire /etc/fstab? I really hope > this works for you. Sorry I was so lengthy. Don't be sorry about being lengthy. Need any and all help I can get. Here is the fstab composed as you have suggested. Doesn't make any difference as stated earlier: /dev/hdb1 / ext2 defaults 1 1 /dev/scd0 /media/cdrecorder auto defaults,noauto,user,exec 0 0 /dev/cdrom /cdrom auto ro,noauto,user,exec 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0 /dev/fd0 /floppy auto noauto,user 0 0 proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hdb3 /usr ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda2 /windows/C vfat noauto,user 0 0 /dev/hda3 /windows/D vfat noauto,user 0 0 /dev/hda5 /windows/E vfat noauto,user 0 0 /dev/hda6 /windows/F vfat noauto,user 0 0 /dev/hdb5 /windows/G vfat noauto,user 0 0 /dev/hdb4 swap swap defaults 0 2 /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbhd auto defaults,user,noauto 0 0 ------------------------------------------------------ Scott wrote: >are you sure that you have a device cdrecorder in /dev  ?  It seems >to me that's the problem, but then I could  be wrong. Thanks, but no. Definitely have a "cdrecorder" in the /dev file. ------------------------------------------------------- Bill wrote: >For burning, you should only need the ide-scsi and sg modules. >When you modprobe ide-scsi, there should be a message either at the >console or appended to dmesg. Here's what I get: >scsi1 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices >  Vendor: MITSUMI   Model: CR-4804TE         Rev: 3.0D >  Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 02 OK, I am loading sg and ide-scsi at boot time in /rc.d/local A cat /proc/modules shows both of them loaded. >first, get the device id from cdrecord -scanbus: >$ cdrecord -scanbus A cdrecord -scanbus returns with a no devices reply, unless I turn on my usb camera and then it shows the module sda and and sg and then identifies the camera. >You mention 'mounting' the drive. As you can see from the above, >mounting is not really necessary. If you wanted to read a cdrom, then >you'd need to mount it first. For that you'll need another module >named 'sr_mod.o'. >oading that, modprobe sr_mod (with the ide-scsi module also loaded), >gives the message: Don't seem to have a module sr_mod. At least modprobe cannot find it. >This is where the problem is. If ide-scsi is loaded, that should be >enough to register a listing in /proc/scsi/scsi. Perhaps the append >line is not working out. Use the output of dmesg to check if the boot >process is going as planned. Post the dmesg output... maybe one of us >can find a clue. I think that you are probably correct. I don't see anything in dmesg that describes hdc as a scsi drive. I have tried every possible location and syntax for the append line in lilo.config. And yes, I ran a lilo each time. Here is partial of dmesg starting where the drives are described: hda: Maxtor 86480D6, ATA DISK drive hdb: WDC WD300BB-00AUA1, ATA DISK drive hdc: WPI CDRW-4424, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive hdd: MATSHITA CR-585, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 hda: 12658776 sectors (6481 MB) w/256KiB Cache, CHS=787/255/63, UDMA(33) hdb: 58633344 sectors (30020 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=3649/255/63, UDMA(33) hdc: ATAPI 24X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, DMA Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12 hdd: ATAPI 24X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache, DMA Partition check: hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 < hda5 hda6 > hdb: hdb1 hdb2 < hdb5 > hdb3 hdb4 Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 loop: loaded (max 8 devices) SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 request_module[scsi_hostadapter]: Root fs not mounted request_module[scsi_hostadapter]: Root fs not mounted NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP IP: routing cache hash table of 512 buckets, 4Kbytes TCP: Hash tables configured (established 8192 bind 8192) Linux IP multicast router 0.06 plus PIM-SM NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0. RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 Uncompressing...............................................................................done. Freeing initrd memory: 438k freed VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. change_root: old root has d_count=2 Trying to unmount old root ... okay Freeing unused kernel memory: 108k freed Adding Swap: 240964k swap-space (priority -1) scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs usb.c: registered new driver hub Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage USB Mass Storage support registered. PCI: Found IRQ 5 for device 00:09.0 IPv6 v0.8 for NET4.0 IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver usb-uhci.c: $Revision: 1.259 $ time 16:00:47 Jul 24 2001 usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xd400, IRQ 11 usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 2 ports detected usb-uhci.c: v1.251:USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver usb.c: registered new driver hid hid.c: v1.16:USB HID support drivers mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice [drm] Initialized tdfx 1.0.0 20000928 on minor 63 paride: version 1.06 installed (parport) pg: pg version 1.02, major 97 pg0: Autoprobe failed pg: No ATAPI device detected paride: version 1.06 installed (parport) pg: pg version 1.02, major 97 pg0: Autoprobe failed pg: No ATAPI device detected paride: version 1.06 installed (parport) pg: pg version 1.02, major 97 pg0: Autoprobe failed pg: No ATAPI device detected paride: version 1.06 installed (parport) pg: pg version 1.02, major 97 pg0: Autoprobe failed pg: No ATAPI device detected paride: version 1.06 installed (parport) pg: pg version 1.02, major 97 pg0: Autoprobe failed pg: No ATAPI device detected paride: version 1.06 installed (parport) pg: pg version 1.02, major 97 pg0: Autoprobe failed pg: No ATAPI device detected paride: version 1.06 installed (parport) pg: pg version 1.02, major 97 pg0: Autoprobe failed pg: No ATAPI device detected paride: version 1.06 installed (parport) pg: pg version 1.02, major 97 pg0: Autoprobe failed pg: No ATAPI device detected scsi : 0 hosts left. scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices root@linux:/ > Bill also wrote: >Fiddling around, I got the following error msg.: >[bill@a bill]$ mount /dev/cdrom2 >mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom2,        or too many mounted file systems        (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use        ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) >Just a shot in the dark, but are you linking to the right device? I really don't know at this point. If you are asking whether I have a cdrom 2 or not, the answer is no. I have one /dev/cdrecorder (hdc) and one /dev/cdrom (hdd) Bob S. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 2 02:29:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA21615 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 02:29:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA21612 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 02:29:55 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04488 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 02:29:49 -0500 Received: from linux ([64.58.217.21]) by SANCTUM.COM with SMTP (IOA-IPAD 2.70d/96) id 2516600; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 02:30:49 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 5th of a dozen questions - Solved Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 02:30:53 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <01112401012800.01752@linux> In-Reply-To: <01112401012800.01752@linux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120202305301.00777@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id CAA21613 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hello sluggers, I am sure that all of the sluggers have been following the unfolding drama re: "5th of a dozen questions scsi-emulation" as the pages unfolded here over the past week. Welllll.....I am feeling pretty dumb right about now. No, seriously, I wish to thank all of the kind and helpful folks who attempted to help me with this problem. This is a great list and I appreciate your efforts as I am sure most on this list do. Now, I suppose I have to confess as to what the problem was: Really dumb mistake. I have two kernels in my lilo. I put the append line hdc=ide-scsi in the wrong place!!!!! Anyway, after causing myself and others a lot of extra work it is finally working. I am embarrassed but happy now. Maybe this exchange will help others in the future to not do the same dumb thing. Bob S. PS Stay tuned for the 6th of this series in the not too distant future. :<) From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 2 08:38:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA26808 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 08:38:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA26805 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 08:38:57 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (242829hfc118.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.29.118]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05752 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 08:38:56 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (localhost.mat [127.0.0.1]) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id fB2DboB2018708 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 08:37:50 -0500 Received: (from billt@localhost) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) id fB2DboBQ018706 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 08:37:50 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 08:37:50 -0500 From: Bill Triplett To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 5th of a dozen questions - Solved Message-ID: <20011202083750.A18528@fourier.mat> References: <01112401012800.01752@linux> <01120202305301.00777@linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01120202305301.00777@linux> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 02:30:53AM -0500, Bob Stia wrote: > Hello sluggers, > > Now, I suppose I have to confess as to what the problem was: > Really dumb mistake. I have two kernels in my lilo. I put the append > line hdc=ide-scsi in the wrong place!!!!! Gack! :) About the sr_mod module, in the kernel's make menuconfig, it is found in: SCSI support => SCSI CD-ROM Support. In make config it is: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 2 09:40:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA26845 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:40:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA26842 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:40:05 -0500 Received: from web12508.mail.yahoo.com (web12508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.200]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA05842 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:40:04 -0500 Message-ID: <20011202143933.73304.qmail@web12508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.35.252.12] by web12508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 06:39:33 PST Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 06:39:33 -0800 (PST) From: ter swartz Subject: [SLUG] Wu-Ftpd Security flaw To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <01120122243805.13955@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/242750 Summary: -Wu-Ftpd contains a remotely exploitable heap corruption bug. -Impact: A remote attacker may execute arbitrary code on the vulnerable server. Pete __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 2 09:29:14 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA26835 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:29:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA26832 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:29:13 -0500 Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05820 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:29:13 -0500 Received: from pool-63.49.80.172.tmpa.grid.net ([63.49.80.172] helo=michael) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AXbm-0003ID-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 09:28:43 -0500 From: "Michael C. Rock" To: Subject: [SLUG] Evolution,, problem loading Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:36:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c17b3e$ade8f9c0$b1d9fea9@michael> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have a new server set up( or nearly) and I have downloaded Evolution and whe I try to load one of the modules (and I am doing it is the order prescribed) I get an error saying that OAF is either not loader or too old to be of use to Evolution. I looked and cannot find it anywhere on my server. Not only that but I searched RedHat's site and Google and cannot find it there either. There are mentions of the program but no where can I find how to download it. Any suggestions. I know this version of Evolution is beta but the last time I loaded it I had no problems. Michael C. Rock From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 2 10:22:56 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA26910 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:22:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA26907 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:22:56 -0500 Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05923 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:22:55 -0500 From: Doumbeck1@aol.com Received: from Doumbeck1@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 4.22.1fcd88ff (4588) for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:22:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <22.1fcd88ff.293ba12c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:22:20 EST Subject: Re: [SLUG] Evolution,, problem loading To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug you get oaf at: ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/stable/sources/oaf Scot From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 2 11:10:14 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA26969 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:10:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA26966 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:10:09 -0500 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA06002 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:10:08 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2001 16:09:37 -0000 Message-ID: <3C09BC93.3010101@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 00:30:59 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Evolution,, problem loading References: <000401c17b3e$ade8f9c0$b1d9fea9@michael> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Michael C. Rock wrote: > I have a new server set up( or nearly) and I have downloaded Evolution and > whe I try to load one of the modules (and I am doing it is the order > prescribed) I get an error saying that OAF is either not loader or too old > to be of use to Evolution. I looked and cannot find it anywhere on my > server. Not only that but I searched RedHat's site and Google and cannot > find it there either. There are mentions of the program but no where can I > find how to download it. > > Any suggestions. I know this version of Evolution is beta but the last time > I loaded it I had no problems. > Are you using Ximian? If so, then run red-carpet, go to the "Subsscribed Channels page (provided that you're subscribed to the Ximian channel), click on the Ximian link, then on the insall page link. You should see your new version there. If you're NOT using Evolution, then you might want to go to http://www.rpmfind.net and look for oaf. You'll find it there. 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 2 12:01:54 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA27016 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:01:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA27011 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:01:53 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06137; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:01:53 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc252.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.252]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fB2H1Lp29378; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:01:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C0A5E6C.3060704@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:01:32 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "[SLUG]" , "[SLUG]Slug Announce" CC: "[SLUG]linux-announce@news.ornl.gov" Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meeting Announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug WHEN AND WHERE: 6 December 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL Take I-4 East to I-75 South. Go south on 75 to the second exit (Hwy 60, Exit 53). Head left (east) under the overpass, and make sure you're in the right lane. When you go to the entrance for Brandon Town Center, you'll see Barnes & Noble on your immediate right. 12 December 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd Lakepointe I Building Tampa, FL 33607 See the SLUG website (www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) for directions. 20 December 19:00-21:00 Brandon II (third Thursday of each month) 217 Brandon Town Center Drive Brandon, FL Across the street from Barnes & Noble, next to Target and Honey Baked Hams. See the SLUG website ww.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) for directions. 22 December 09:30-12:00 Dunedin (fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library, 223 Douglas Ave., Community Room A. Dunedin 3 January 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL Take I-4 East to I-75 South. Go south on 75 to the second exit (Hwy 60, Exit 53). Head left (east) under the overpass, and make sure you're in the right lane. When you go to the entrance for Brandon Town Center, you'll see Barnes & Noble on your immediate right. 5 January 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentations: to be announced 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) FOLLOWING MEETINGS: 9 January 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) 17 January 19:00-21:00 Brandon II (third Thursday of each month) 22 January 19:00-21:00 Sarasota (fourth Tuesday of each month) 26 January 09:30-12:00 Dunedin (fourth Saturday of each month) 2 February 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) 7 February 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 2 12:35:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA27061 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:35:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA27058 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:35:28 -0500 Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06227 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:35:28 -0500 Received: from sdn-ar-003fltampp297.dialsprint.net ([158.252.77.35] helo=noname.nodomain.nowhere) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AaW2-0003C9-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:34:58 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Tim Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Network Port Hosed - Webmin? Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:37:56 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01120121264300.01298@noname.nodomain.nowhere> <01120122243805.13955@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: <01120122243805.13955@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120212375602.01298@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 01 December 2001 22:24, Bill wrote: > On Saturday 01 December 2001 21:26, you wrote: > > I'm using Caldera eDesktop 2.4, and Webmin goes in through port > > 1000. I nosed around to see if something else has latched onto Port > > 1000 and can't see anything with "ps -e" (probably the wrong > > command). > > > > Shutting down and rebooting didn't change anything. So what do I do > > now to fix it? > > Try port 10000 (10,000) Tried it. No good. With port 10000 (localhost:10000) I still get the same Netscape error message: "Unable to locate the server keyword.netscape.com" along with a second message: "The following hosts are unknown home.netscape.com home6.netscape.com internic.net" then it goes on about the $SOCKS_NS environment variable possibly not pointing at the right name server. Konqueror gives me the same "could not connect to host localhost..." message. I'm going to try using Caldera Open Administration System in my KDE1 to see if anything turns up. Looks like my internal network has a problem or something. With two years exposure to Linux, I now know just enough to be dangerous. Meanwhile, if anybody has any ideas what's broke and how I can correct it, please drop me a hint. I'm kind of fumbling around in the dark. Thanks. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 2 14:13:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA27187 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:13:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA27184 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:13:47 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06457 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:13:43 -0500 Received: from spock (653227hfc210.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.27.210]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fB2JDCS16081 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:13:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeff Barriault" To: Subject: [SLUG] VNC Question Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:07:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I was wondering if anyone had any experience using VNC with RedHat 7.1? I have a RedHat 7.1 server on my home network that I'd like to be able to access remotely. I installed VNC on it, and can log into the system without any problems, but the X session it starts uses TWM. How do I configure it to use whatever my default window manager/desktop is (Gnome or KDE)? Thanks. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 2 17:37:28 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA27399 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:37:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA27396 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:37:27 -0500 Received: from omta04.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06887 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:37:26 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta04.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46514FC96; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:36:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 9C28436F9; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:36:55 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:36:55 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: hillc@acm.org, chkolb@ticnet.com, scott.rife@tavve.com, slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/business/1153593 X-Originating-Ip: [209.4.17.175] Message-Id: <20011202223655.9C28436F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I thought this might be of interest Carson Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 2 17:55:45 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA27429 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:55:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA27426 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:55:44 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06908 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:55:44 -0500 Received: from aeon.vmlinux.com (653293hfc166.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.93.166]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fB2Mt9Z20208 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:55:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:55:09 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Braman X-Sender: aeon@aeon.vmlinux.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/business/1153593 In-Reply-To: <20011202223655.9C28436F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, 2 Dec 2001, Carson Wilcox wrote: > I thought this might be of interest Yeah? Why's that. What is it? Paul Braman aeon@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 2 19:51:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA27551 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:51:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA27548 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:51:06 -0500 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07060 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:51:06 -0500 Received: from pool-63.49.65.47.tmpa.grid.net ([63.49.65.47] helo=michael) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AhJb-0006yT-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:50:36 -0500 From: "Michael C. Rock" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Evolution,, problem loading Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:57:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c17b95$886a5ca0$b1d9fea9@michael> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3C09BC93.3010101@yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I was able to get and install OAF, thanks to all. But,, and this is a big but, I cannot get Bonobo.conf.0-14 to load. When I do ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var/lib I get an error when it tries to run the test on OAF from within the bonobo load: Says it cannot find OAF to run the test, and suggests that I load the program path in the /etc/ld.so.conf file,,which I have done and/or set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable, which I have also done. What is confusing me is that I did this a few months ago with out having any difficulties at all,,?? But as Norbert has mentioned I may have used red carpet or may have loaded the 'new' gnome. So many loads ago that I cannot remember. Anyone encounter the same problem? Michael C. Rock > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Norbert > Cartagena > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 12:31 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Evolution,, problem loading > > > > > Michael C. Rock wrote: > > > I have a new server set up( or nearly) and I have downloaded > Evolution and > > whe I try to load one of the modules (and I am doing it is the order > > prescribed) I get an error saying that OAF is either not loader > or too old > > to be of use to Evolution. I looked and cannot find it anywhere on my > > server. Not only that but I searched RedHat's site and Google > and cannot > > find it there either. There are mentions of the program but no > where can I > > find how to download it. > > > > Any suggestions. I know this version of Evolution is beta but > the last time > > I loaded it I had no problems. > > > > > Are you using Ximian? If so, then run red-carpet, go to the "Subsscribed > Channels page (provided that you're subscribed to the Ximian channel), > click on the Ximian link, then on the insall page link. You should see > your new version there. If you're NOT using Evolution, then you might > want to go to http://www.rpmfind.net and look for oaf. You'll > find it there. > > Gnorb > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 2 20:31:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA27594 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:31:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA27591 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:31:58 -0500 Received: from out002pub.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.102]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07122 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:31:58 -0500 Received: from desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-022.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.22]) by out002pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id fB31WN506557 Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:32:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <02be01c17b9a$2ecf4480$6b35fea9@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc - KD4E" To: Subject: [SLUG] 3Com 3C575-TX in Older Laptops? Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:31:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I discovered on the 'Net that the 3Com PCMCIA 3C575-TX Fast Etherlink XL 32-bit 10/100BASE-TX with dongle is only $45. Anyone know if I would need to use the 16-bit model in my ancient IBM ThinkPad 360cse? (Need a pair of matching PCMCIA nics for the firewall app and figured I might as well go with 10/100s.) May have to part with my 3Com 3C589C and Xircom CE-2 nics, as well as my Win95 floppy set and a couple of Win95 CD's to pay for three of the 3C375's! BTW: Anyone out there using a REX or Franklin PCMCIA PDA? I have a couple of new docking stations I need to part with. Thanks! Doc From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 2 19:53:26 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA27556 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:53:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA27553 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:53:25 -0500 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07066 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:53:25 -0500 Received: from pool-63.49.65.47.tmpa.grid.net ([63.49.65.47] helo=michael) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16AhLq-00008E-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:52:54 -0500 From: "Michael C. Rock" To: Subject: [SLUG] Sarasota SLUG meeting Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:00:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c17b95$db1c67e0$b1d9fea9@michael> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3C0A5E6C.3060704@tampabay.rr.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Just a reminder: This month only the meetoing in Sarasota will be on the third tuesday and NOT the fourth tuesday of December. > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Ed > Centanni > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 12:02 PM > To: [SLUG]; [SLUG]Slug Announce > Cc: [SLUG]linux-announce@news.ornl.gov > Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meeting Announcement > > > WHEN AND WHERE: > > 6 December 20:00-22:00 Brandon > (first Thursday of each month) > Brandon Barnes & Noble > Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL > Take I-4 East to I-75 South. Go south on 75 to the second exit > (Hwy 60, Exit 53). Head left (east) under the overpass, and > make sure you're in the right lane. When you go to the > entrance for Brandon Town Center, you'll see Barnes & Noble > on your immediate right. > > 12 December 19:00-21:00 Tampa > (second Wednesday of each month) > PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 > 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd > Lakepointe I Building > Tampa, FL 33607 > > See the SLUG website (www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) for > directions. > > 20 December 19:00-21:00 Brandon II > (third Thursday of each month) > 217 Brandon Town Center Drive > Brandon, FL > > Across the street from Barnes & Noble, next to Target and Honey > Baked Hams. See the SLUG website ww.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) > for directions. > > 22 December 09:30-12:00 Dunedin > (fourth Saturday of each month) > Dunedin Public Library, > 223 Douglas Ave., > Community Room A. > Dunedin > > 3 January 20:00-22:00 Brandon > (first Thursday of each month) > Brandon Barnes & Noble > Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL > Take I-4 East to I-75 South. Go south on 75 to the second exit > (Hwy 60, Exit 53). Head left (east) under the overpass, and > make sure you're in the right lane. When you go to the > entrance for Brandon Town Center, you'll see Barnes & Noble > on your immediate right. > > 5 January 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey > (first Saturday of each month) > New Port Richey Public Library > (second level meeting rooms) > 5939 Main St. > New Port Richey > > ACTIVITIES: > > Meetings include: > 1) Presentations: to be announced > > 2) Question & Answer Session. > > 3) Raffle and free stuff! > > Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! > (And don't forget to start your installs early!) > > FOLLOWING MEETINGS: > > 9 January 19:00-21:00 Tampa > (second Wednesday of each month) > > 17 January 19:00-21:00 Brandon II > (third Thursday of each month) > > 22 January 19:00-21:00 Sarasota > (fourth Tuesday of each month) > > 26 January 09:30-12:00 Dunedin > (fourth Saturday of each month) > > 2 February 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey > (first Saturday of each month) > > 7 February 20:00-22:00 Brandon > (first Thursday of each month) > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 2 21:26:16 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA27674 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:26:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA27671 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:26:15 -0500 Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07208 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:26:15 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-168.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.168] helo=localhost) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Aing-0003s2-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 18:25:44 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 16Aine-0001J9-00 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 21:25:42 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] VNC Question Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:25:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug No, not on RedHat, but it shouldn't matter. But, I do have to say this: What a pain! (okay, I feel better) You should make sure that you have your VNC connection go through ssh, as it is otherwise absolutely not secure! For more info, you could go to the VNC website at...http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ Actually, a quick check of freshmeat.net shows this little nugget: http://freshmeat.net/projects/kvncviewer/ HTH Russell On Sunday 02 December 2001 02:07 pm, you wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had any experience using VNC with RedHat 7.1? I > have a RedHat 7.1 server on my home network that I'd like to be able to > access remotely. I installed VNC on it, and can log into the system without > any problems, but the X session it starts uses TWM. How do I configure it > to use whatever my default window manager/desktop is (Gnome or KDE)? > Thanks. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 3 08:50:31 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA28670 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:50:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA28667 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:50:27 -0500 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA09076 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:50:27 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 13:49:55 -0000 Message-ID: <3C0B8538.1A03B29@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 08:59:20 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] VNC Question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Jeff I have it running on Redhat 7.1 with gnome. Here's my .vnc/xstartup file xrdb $HOME/.Xresources xsetroot -solid grey xterm -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" & sawmill & Jeff Barriault wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had any experience using VNC with RedHat 7.1? I > have a RedHat 7.1 server on my home network that I'd like to be able to > access remotely. I installed VNC on it, and can log into the system without > any problems, but the X session it starts uses TWM. How do I configure it to > use whatever my default window manager/desktop is (Gnome or KDE)? Thanks. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 3 08:59:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA28681 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:59:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA28678 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:59:28 -0500 Received: from c011.snv.cp.net (c011-h004.c011.snv.cp.net [209.228.34.217]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA09090 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:59:28 -0500 Received: (cpmta 2122 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2001 05:58:56 -0800 Received: from 4.61.13.163 (HELO dustyoffice) by smtp.namezero.com (209.228.34.217) with SMTP; 3 Dec 2001 05:58:56 -0800 X-Sent: 3 Dec 2001 13:58:56 GMT From: "Dusty Trisch" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] 3Com 3C575-TX in Older Laptops? Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 08:59:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c17c02$b5a67b50$3201a8c0@dustyoffice> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <02be01c17b9a$2ecf4480$6b35fea9@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Importance: Normal Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have an old stinkpad (ThinkPad) and the newer PCMCIA networks card work with mine I have a netgear and a kdm 10/100 both works dusty -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Doc - KD4E Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 8:31 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] 3Com 3C575-TX in Older Laptops? I discovered on the 'Net that the 3Com PCMCIA 3C575-TX Fast Etherlink XL 32-bit 10/100BASE-TX with dongle is only $45. Anyone know if I would need to use the 16-bit model in my ancient IBM ThinkPad 360cse? (Need a pair of matching PCMCIA nics for the firewall app and figured I might as well go with 10/100s.) May have to part with my 3Com 3C589C and Xircom CE-2 nics, as well as my Win95 floppy set and a couple of Win95 CD's to pay for three of the 3C375's! BTW: Anyone out there using a REX or Franklin PCMCIA PDA? I have a couple of new docking stations I need to part with. Thanks! Doc From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 3 09:05:16 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28695 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:05:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA28692 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:05:15 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09112 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:05:15 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fB3E6LQ31735 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:06:21 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:03:50 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:03:40 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] VNC Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id JAA28693 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Edit your ~/.vnc/xstartup file and remove everything after #!/bin/sh and add "startkde &" without quotes. I'm not sure what you would use for Gnome but KDE works fine this way for me. Brett >>> jeffbarr@tampabay.rr.com 12/02/01 02:07PM >>> I was wondering if anyone had any experience using VNC with RedHat 7.1? I have a RedHat 7.1 server on my home network that I'd like to be able to access remotely. I installed VNC on it, and can log into the system without any problems, but the X session it starts uses TWM. How do I configure it to use whatever my default window manager/desktop is (Gnome or KDE)? Thanks. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 3 09:46:41 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28812 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:46:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA28807 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:46:14 -0500 Received: from snoopy.tblc.org (snoopy.tblc.lib.fl.us [206.72.132.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09264 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:45:45 -0500 Received: from bernie.tblc.org (bernie.tblc.org [206.72.132.8]) by snoopy.tblc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E981E2002C0 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:49:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/business/1153593 From: Ben Ostrowsky To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/0.99.1+cvs.2001.11.07.16.47 (Preview Release) Date: 03 Dec 2001 09:48:51 -0500 Message-Id: <1007390931.9687.8.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > I thought this might be of interest > Yeah? Why's that. What is it? Nations lean toward Linux OS for security Associated Press NEW YORK -- For reasons of national security and national pride, government officials in countries like China, France and Germany are increasingly adopting the free, open-source computer operating system known as Linux. In some cases they are replacing software produced by the Microsoft Corp., which users say is more prone to viruses and hackers. "A lot of countries feel uncomfortable having the fate of their computer infrastructure in the hands of a large American software company," said Eric Raymond of the Open Source Initiative, an advocacy group. In China, the government is prodding its ministries toward homegrown versions of Linux, which unlike Microsoft's operating system doesn't keep secret its source code. The Chinese information and science ministries are investing in a version called Red Flag Linux "to pry the computer industry from the grip of operating systems giants like Microsoft," the official People's Daily newspaper reported last spring. Security experts tend to agree that computers are less prone to hacking and viruses when running open-source software like Linux or the Web server Apache. When vulnerabilities are found, programmers can fix them by tinkering with the code and publishing the results. In France, the ministries of culture, defense and education have switched to Linux for reasons of security and uniformity, dropping programs from Microsoft, Sun and Lotus, a Public Works Ministry spokesman said. Germany's minister for economy and technology, Margareta Wolf, has urged use of Linux in "security relevant" computer servers and says the government, currently overwhelmingly dependent on Microsoft, is looking into ways to convert other ministries. Another rallying point for Europeans is the fact that Linus Torvalds, the programmer known as the father of Linux, is a native of Finland. In China, as well, software is a matter of national pride. The Chinese are keen to use their enormous market potential to boost Chinese products rather than foreign ones, said Li Gong, Sun Microsystems' chief representative in China. There are also unproven fears of "back doors" in proprietary operating systems like Microsoft's Windows. Some governments fear they could be spied on by U.S. intelligence through a built-in secret channel. Despite Microsoft's vigorous denials of their existence, the fear of back doors is particularly acute in China, where the government worries that the U.S. military could tap into and shut down its military command networks. In March, a report in the respected German news magazine Der Spiegel claimed that country's defense ministry had banned Microsoft products because of an alleged back door. The ministry later denied the claim. Microsoft's director of security assurance Steve Lipner calls the back door references a persistent, baseless rumor. The criticisms over security are tougher to dismiss. Microsoft Web server software powers about 30 percent of the world's Web sites and 62 percent of the sites that have been hacked, according to data collected by two Internet sites, Netcraft's Web Server Survey and the Alldas Defacement Archive. Microsoft is also the prime target of virus writers. But that fact owes more to Microsoft's dominance in PC software than any particular vulnerabilities, said security consultant Chris Wysopal of @stake Inc. Microsoft's Lipner said the company is now releasing lockdown tools to deal with the problem and is no longer leaving entry port settings open by default on server software. Even in the United States, where Microsoft dominates government computers, agencies such as the Department of Defense and the National Security Agency are experimenting with Linux. IBM Corp. reports increasing sales of Linux systems to the federal government, along with a recent sale to the Chinese postal service. The intelligence agency, charged with eavesdropping and code-breaking, has even developed its own version, called Security-Enhanced Linux, available for free on its Web site. Frustrated by the lack of success and concerned about the protection of the country's computer infrastructure, the agency decided to create its own, said Tom Haigh, chief technical officer of San Jose, Calif.-based Secure Computing Corp. "NSA feels it has a responsibility in that area," Haigh said. "They understand better than anybody in the world the deficiencies of operating systems." From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 3 09:48:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28826 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:48:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA28823 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:48:07 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA09274 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:48:07 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id xa193203 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:49:40 -0500 Message-ID: <003801c17c09$dcf295c0$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <01120121264300.01298@noname.nodomain.nowhere> <01120122243805.13955@a.genesis.com> <01120212375602.01298@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Network Port Hosed - Webmin? Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:50:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug >From the console of the linux box, try http://localhost:10000/ or http://127.0.0.1:10000/ Still get the same error? Try reinstalling the with the latest version. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Wright" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Network Port Hosed - Webmin? > On Saturday 01 December 2001 22:24, Bill wrote: > > On Saturday 01 December 2001 21:26, you wrote: > > > I'm using Caldera eDesktop 2.4, and Webmin goes in through port > > > 1000. I nosed around to see if something else has latched onto Port > > > 1000 and can't see anything with "ps -e" (probably the wrong > > > command). > > > > > > Shutting down and rebooting didn't change anything. So what do I do > > > now to fix it? > > > > Try port 10000 (10,000) > > Tried it. No good. > > With port 10000 (localhost:10000) I still get the same Netscape error > message: "Unable to locate the server keyword.netscape.com" along with a > second message: "The following hosts are unknown home.netscape.com > home6.netscape.com internic.net" then it goes on about the $SOCKS_NS > environment variable possibly not pointing at the right name server. > > Konqueror gives me the same "could not connect to host localhost..." message. > > I'm going to try using Caldera Open Administration System in my KDE1 to see > if anything turns up. Looks like my internal network has a problem or > something. With two years exposure to Linux, I now know just enough to be > dangerous. > > Meanwhile, if anybody has any ideas what's broke and how I can correct it, > please drop me a hint. I'm kind of fumbling around in the dark. Thanks. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 3 09:49:36 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28831 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:49:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA28828 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:49:35 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA09280 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:49:35 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ya193204 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:51:23 -0500 Message-ID: <004201c17c0a$1a39b030$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: Subject: [SLUG] samba Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:52:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug What does anyone know about samba either inegrating into the MS Active Directory scheme or samba support for creating the MS Active Directory? From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 3 13:00:23 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA29054 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:00:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA29051 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:00:22 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09744 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:00:22 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fB3Hxpp06785 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:59:52 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 5th of a dozen questions - No luck Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:03:06 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01112401012800.01752@linux> <01120200271800.00777@linux> In-Reply-To: <01120200271800.00777@linux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120313030600.01184@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If cdrecord -scanbus does not find a scsi device, then the ide-scsi module is not loaded. Try modprobe ide-scsi first, then run the cdrecord -scanbus. It should find a device on LUN 0,0,0. Glen On Sunday 02 December 2001 00:27, you wrote: > On Friday 30 November 2001 12:36 pm, you all wrote: > > Mario wrote: > > Bob, I'll try to help you. It has been a while since I've burned > > a CD. > > > > Steps #1, #2, and #3 are fine. > > > > I don't believe the mount command can accept anything short of a > > real /DEVice. In other words, you can't use a softlink here--which > > is why you got "/dev/cdrecorder:unknown device." Secondly, and for > > that reason, you must use a real device (/dev/scd0) in /etc/fstab. > > Knowing this, remove /dev/cdrecorder in your /etc/fstab and replace > > it with /dev/scd0 since this was your original target. When you're > > out of editing fstab, make sure you create a directory where > > /dev/scd0 can exist; do a mkdir /cdrecorder. Your fstab will be > > complaint with the mount command. > > OK, Did as suggested and changed /dev/cdrecorder to /dev/scd0. > There already was a directory , /media/cdrecorder as was suggested by > Suse and is in the fstab file as the mount prompt. Now when I do a > "mount /dev/scdo or a mount /media/cdrecorder" I get the same result > with differnt words: "mount: /dev/scd0 unknown device" > > > About the actual CD burning software, the only reason I can see you > > wanted to use /dev/cdrecorder is if your software incessantly wants > > to hit the device directly and doesn't know of another you can > > select--In this case, /dev/cdrecorder. > > Can't get that far. "cdrecord -scanbus" produces a "No such file or > directory. Cannot open scsi driver" Although this is what I want to > do, I am trying to mount it to make sure it is recognized and to be > able to read from the drive. > > > In reply, could you post your entire /etc/fstab? I really hope > > this works for you. Sorry I was so lengthy. > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 3 13:03:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA29059 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:03:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA29056 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:03:28 -0500 Received: from dt2.gschmidt.net (6535219hfc223.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.219.223]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09758 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:03:28 -0500 Received: from there (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 487B32AE72 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:02:02 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Greg Schmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] VNC Question Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:02:02 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20011203180202.487B32AE72@dt2.gschmidt.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug My original ~.vnc/xstartup looks like this: ~/.vnc/startup.old: #!/bin/sh xrdb $HOME/.Xresources xsetroot -solid grey xterm -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" & twm & The one I use now looks like this: ~/.vncstartup #!/bin/sh startkde & (It's shorter.) It runs KDE fine. I cut the screen resolution back to 800x600 from the default 1024x768 when I start it with vncserver -geometry 800x600. They use twm because it can be found on just about anything. On Sunday 02 December 2001 02:07 pm, you wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had any experience using VNC with RedHat 7.1? I > have a RedHat 7.1 server on my home network that I'd like to be able to > access remotely. I installed VNC on it, and can log into the system without > any problems, but the X session it starts uses TWM. How do I configure it > to use whatever my default window manager/desktop is (Gnome or KDE)? > Thanks. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 3 17:51:39 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA29684 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:51:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA29681 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:51:38 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10845 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:51:33 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fB3Mp2p13466 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:51:03 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 5th of a dozen questions - No luck Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:54:17 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01112401012800.01752@linux> <01120200271800.00777@linux> <01120313030600.01184@24285hfc17> In-Reply-To: <01120313030600.01184@24285hfc17> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120317541700.01184@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hahaha...a little late, but right ! ;) Glen On Monday 03 December 2001 13:03, you wrote: > If cdrecord -scanbus does not find a scsi device, then the ide-scsi module > is not loaded. Try modprobe ide-scsi first, then run the cdrecord -scanbus. > It should find a device on LUN 0,0,0. > > Glen > > On Sunday 02 December 2001 00:27, you wrote: > > On Friday 30 November 2001 12:36 pm, you all wrote: > > > > Mario wrote: > > > Bob, I'll try to help you. It has been a while since I've burned > > > a CD. > > > > > > Steps #1, #2, and #3 are fine. > > > > > > I don't believe the mount command can accept anything short of a > > > real /DEVice. In other words, you can't use a softlink here--which > > > is why you got "/dev/cdrecorder:unknown device." Secondly, and for > > > that reason, you must use a real device (/dev/scd0) in /etc/fstab. > > > Knowing this, remove /dev/cdrecorder in your /etc/fstab and replace > > > it with /dev/scd0 since this was your original target. When you're > > > out of editing fstab, make sure you create a directory where > > > /dev/scd0 can exist; do a mkdir /cdrecorder. Your fstab will be > > > complaint with the mount command. > > > > OK, Did as suggested and changed /dev/cdrecorder to /dev/scd0. > > There already was a directory , /media/cdrecorder as was suggested by > > Suse and is in the fstab file as the mount prompt. Now when I do a > > "mount /dev/scdo or a mount /media/cdrecorder" I get the same result > > with differnt words: "mount: /dev/scd0 unknown device" > > > > > About the actual CD burning software, the only reason I can see you > > > wanted to use /dev/cdrecorder is if your software incessantly wants > > > to hit the device directly and doesn't know of another you can > > > select--In this case, /dev/cdrecorder. > > > > Can't get that far. "cdrecord -scanbus" produces a "No such file or > > directory. Cannot open scsi driver" Although this is what I want to > > do, I am trying to mount it to make sure it is recognized and to be > > able to read from the drive. > > > > > In reply, could you post your entire /etc/fstab? I really hope > > > this works for you. Sorry I was so lengthy. > > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 3 20:57:26 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA29797 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:57:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA29794 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:57:25 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11487 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:57:24 -0500 Received: from obwan (6532163hfc129.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.163.129]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fB41usS12823 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:56:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003501c17c66$f5f07710$17010a0a@obwan> From: "Andrew Wyatt" To: Subject: [SLUG] Up for grabs, integrate.cx domain name! Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:56:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug All, I'm considering offers for the intergate.cx domain. I currently own intergate.cx until Feb 2005. If you are interested in acquiring intergate.cx please send an offer by email or by IM. Payment must be made in advance by money order drawn on US funds only. intergate.cx was established February 1999, and upon closing doors January 2001 the www.intergate.cx website had maintained approximately 20,000 hits per month. www.intergate.cx is currently registered with ALL major search engines, and can only provide value to beginning webmasters, or as a forward to veteran websites. Please, serious inquiries only. The intergate.cx domain (name only) will go to the individual with the highest offer. The decision will be made on Dec 14th 2001. Andrew Wyatt Owner, intergate.cx Email: awyatt@intergate.cx UIN: 3947763 Yahoo: andrew7005 AOL: andrew7005 Slug: This message concerning sale of the intergate.cx domain is relevant to SLUG members, as it was a Linux software development website. It will only be posted to SLUG lists once in accordance to SLUG rules. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 3 20:31:56 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA29778 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:31:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA29775 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:31:55 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11330 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:31:55 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fB41VLO12302 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:31:21 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <02be01c17b9a$2ecf4480$6b35fea9@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <02be01c17b9a$2ecf4480$6b35fea9@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:18:47 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] 3Com 3C575-TX in Older Laptops? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I used to wrestle with a 575 on my old Dell CP. Here's the 'tell all' website you should be reading: http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ It has a write up of the PCMCIA chipsets and card support. Mario >I discovered on the 'Net that the 3Com PCMCIA 3C575-TX Fast >Etherlink XL 32-bit 10/100BASE-TX with dongle is only $45. > >Anyone know if I would need to use the 16-bit model in my ancient >IBM ThinkPad 360cse? (Need a pair of matching PCMCIA nics >for the firewall app and figured I might as well go with 10/100s.) > >May have to part with my 3Com 3C589C and Xircom CE-2 nics, >as well as my Win95 floppy set and a couple of Win95 CD's to >pay for three of the 3C375's! > >BTW: Anyone out there using a REX or Franklin PCMCIA PDA? >I have a couple of new docking stations I need to part with. > >Thanks! Doc -- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 3 20:31:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA29783 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:31:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA29780 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:31:56 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11332 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:31:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fB41VKO12287 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:31:20 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20011202223655.9C28436F9@sitemail.everyone.net> References: <20011202223655.9C28436F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:15:20 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/business/1153593 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I read the article. What's better is that the AP wrote it. I'm going to file this in my nifty sales pitch archives :^) Mario >I thought this might be of interest > >Carson > >Carson R. Wilcox >Senior Consultant >DMR Consulting >Tampa, FL USA > >_____________________________________________________________ >Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net -- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 3 21:42:27 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA29837 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:42:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA29834 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:42:27 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11673 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:42:26 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([12.77.143.50]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20011204024136.FVEK13869.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@localhost.localdomain> for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 02:41:36 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Andy Woeber To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 5th of a dozen questions - Solved Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:40:50 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01112401012800.01752@linux> <01120202305301.00777@linux> In-Reply-To: <01120202305301.00777@linux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120321405000.01245@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I lost my RH 7.1 setup due to a partitioning problem. Now thats dumb! On Sunday 02 December 2001 02:30 am, you wrote: > Hello sluggers, > > I am sure that all of the sluggers have been following the unfolding > drama re: "5th of a dozen questions scsi-emulation" as the pages > unfolded here over the past week. Welllll.....I am feeling pretty > dumb right about now. > > No, seriously, I wish to thank all of the kind and helpful folks who > attempted to help me with this problem. This is a great list and I > appreciate your efforts as I am sure most on this list do. > > Now, I suppose I have to confess as to what the problem was: > Really dumb mistake. I have two kernels in my lilo. I put the append > line hdc=ide-scsi in the wrong place!!!!! > > Anyway, after causing myself and others a lot of extra work it is > finally working. I am embarrassed but happy now. Maybe this exchange > will help others in the future to not do the same dumb thing. > > Bob S. > > PS Stay tuned for the 6th of this series in the not too distant > future. :<) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 3 23:03:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA29970 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:03:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA29967 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:03:52 -0500 Received: from femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.19]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12068 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:03:52 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011204040311.OZCN2988.femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:03:11 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] VNC ANSWER! Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:03:46 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20011203180202.487B32AE72@dt2.gschmidt.net> In-Reply-To: <20011203180202.487B32AE72@dt2.gschmidt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120323034603.22406@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug (Discussion about VNC settings clipped) The sysad at school said he couldn't spare the ram to run X on the school Linux server (386-25 with 16M ram) but suggested I might like using VNC to run my home box from school. Woooohooooo! Was he ever right! I still am not clear how to tunnel it through ssh ... but I certainly had a blast running my home box from school in graphics mode even though restricted to twm as my GUI. Tomorrow, I should be running KDE, instead, and hopefully I will have access to the icons on my desktop since it is a royal pain putting stuff in the menus. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1190312 355040 0 340020 572940 Swap: 401584 0 401584 Total: 1946936 1190312 756624 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 10:53pmup 2 days, 20:59, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.03, 0.00 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 3 23:58:24 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA30018 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:58:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA30015 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:58:24 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12182 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:58:20 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fB44vnS22115 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:57:49 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 5th of a dozen questions - Solved Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 00:01:07 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01112401012800.01752@linux> <01120202305301.00777@linux> <01120321405000.01245@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <01120321405000.01245@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120400010700.01513@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Well, now ya don't have to worry about that ide-scsi thing... ;) Glen On Monday 03 December 2001 21:40, you wrote: > I lost my RH 7.1 setup due to a partitioning problem. > Now thats dumb! > > On Sunday 02 December 2001 02:30 am, you wrote: > > Hello sluggers, > > > > I am sure that all of the sluggers have been following the unfolding > > drama re: "5th of a dozen questions scsi-emulation" as the pages > > unfolded here over the past week. Welllll.....I am feeling pretty > > dumb right about now. > > > > No, seriously, I wish to thank all of the kind and helpful folks who > > attempted to help me with this problem. This is a great list and I > > appreciate your efforts as I am sure most on this list do. > > > > Now, I suppose I have to confess as to what the problem was: > > Really dumb mistake. I have two kernels in my lilo. I put the append > > line hdc=ide-scsi in the wrong place!!!!! > > > > Anyway, after causing myself and others a lot of extra work it is > > finally working. I am embarrassed but happy now. Maybe this exchange > > will help others in the future to not do the same dumb thing. > > > > Bob S. > > > > PS Stay tuned for the 6th of this series in the not too distant > > future. :<) From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 4 09:45:06 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA30810 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:45:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA30807 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:45:05 -0500 Received: from out003pub.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13974 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:45:05 -0500 Received: from desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-022.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.22]) by out003pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id fB4EdwP14259 Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:39:58 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00d601c17cd2$24133720$6b35fea9@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc - KD4E" To: References: <02be01c17b9a$2ecf4480$6b35fea9@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] 3Com 3C575-TX in Older Laptops? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 09:44:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug It is on the Sourceforge list, but of course not laptop-specific. What I was interested in learning was if an older laptop such as my ThinkPad 360cse might have problems with the 10/100 speed for any reason. I seem to recall that the early implementations of PCMCIA were rife with inconsistencies and that sometimes what worked on one laptop would not on another. Dusty seems to have found success with his vintage TP so I will work with the assumption that a 10/100 nic will also work with mine. BTW: Anyone know of a good (read: cheap) source of a memory upgrade for my ThinkPad? I need to replace the 8m chip with at least a 12m one. Thanks! doc > I used to wrestle with a 575 on my old Dell CP. Here's the 'tell > all' website you should be reading: > http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ > It has a write up of the PCMCIA chipsets and card support. > Mario From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 4 10:33:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA30835 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:33:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA30832 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:33:00 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14176 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:33:00 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fB4FYDQ03724 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:34:13 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 10:31:38 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 10:31:26 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Document imaging software. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id KAA30833 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Were would I find ht/dig? I was looking at wordindex at http://wordindex.sourceforge.net/ and it says it can index just about any file. It is considered beta though. Brett Simpson Internet Administrator for Hillsborough County (813) 301-7144 simpsonb@hillsboroughcounty.org >>> herrold@owlriver.com 11/30/01 09:46PM >>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Ronan Heffernan wrote: > Brett Simpson wrote: > Does anyone know of any Open Source Document imaging > software that has the following capabilities? > Full text search of PDF files. ht/dig will index and provide a search interface for the fulltext of well-formed PDF's > Web based document management. Feature set becomes an issue -it is too easy to extend it without limit or prioritization. - Without more details, it is hard to scale the Needs/Requirements the questioner has in mind; The Cobalt Qube's do some of this in Linux -- but not some things easy and harder I might think of including: 1. Assign a unique permanent ID number to a document 2. Retain a permanent changelog of everyone who has viewed a document, and implement an electronic filing cabinent 3. Enforce ACL's on index results display (implies an ACL system -- see last para on this topic) 4. Configure and apply a documents retention policy against each document 5. Replicate the documents database (on demand or en toto) between multiple servers, potentially at multiple sites 6. Add scanner, and fax, and 'directory watcher' acquire and resend interfaces 7. Add an OCR initial decode, and proofread scheduling, annotation, markup and final release system 8. With a web, and X and text, and command line interface, permitting scripting ... It might be fun to get YOUR feature list -- where YOU is every group member, and decompose and implement them as a collaborative project. -------------------- 9 A submission/voting/comment system set of PHP webpages, assgning and maintaining ech participant or commenter's identity credentials, and a database backend can be made available of someone wants to step up to spearheading the task (including writing at least working drafts of those tools mentioned in this paragraph). Contact me offlist if interested -- Russ Herrold From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 4 11:22:24 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA30891 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:22:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA30888 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:22:24 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14314 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:22:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fB4GLpY11650 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:21:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:21:51 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Document imaging software. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Brett Simpson wrote: > Were would I find ht/dig? I was looking at wordindex at > http://wordindex.sourceforge.net/ and it says it can index > just about any file. It is considered beta though. hunh .... it has been production for years ... the NEW 3.2 is in beta ... but it is fully ready for prime time http://www.htdig.org/ Run a sample query at: http://www.colug.net/cgi-bin/htsearch for a linux related argument From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 4 12:51:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA31002 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:51:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30999 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:51:09 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14730 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:51:08 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fB4HqVQ13082 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:52:31 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 12:49:57 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 12:49:53 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Document imaging software. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id MAA31000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks. I'm downloading the latest version and I'm going to give it a try. Brett Simpson Internet Administrator for Hillsborough County (813) 301-7144 simpsonb@hillsboroughcounty.org >>> herrold@owlriver.com 12/04/01 11:21AM >>> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Brett Simpson wrote: > Were would I find ht/dig? I was looking at wordindex at > http://wordindex.sourceforge.net/ and it says it can index > just about any file. It is considered beta though. hunh .... it has been production for years ... the NEW 3.2 is in beta ... but it is fully ready for prime time http://www.htdig.org/ Run a sample query at: http://www.colug.net/cgi-bin/htsearch for a linux related argument From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 4 14:15:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA31038 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:15:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA31035 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:15:17 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15064 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:15:17 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fB4JGdQ18277 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:16:40 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:14:05 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:13:56 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Document imaging software. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id OAA31036 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I used the conv_doc.pl program within htdig to search pdf files. Works great once I changed it from /usr/local/bin/perl to /usr/bin/perl. >>> Simpsonb@hillsboroughcounty.org 12/04/01 12:49PM >>> Thanks. I'm downloading the latest version and I'm going to give it a try. Brett Simpson Internet Administrator for Hillsborough County (813) 301-7144 simpsonb@hillsboroughcounty.org >>> herrold@owlriver.com 12/04/01 11:21AM >>> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Brett Simpson wrote: > Were would I find ht/dig? I was looking at wordindex at > http://wordindex.sourceforge.net/ and it says it can index > just about any file. It is considered beta though. hunh .... it has been production for years ... the NEW 3.2 is in beta ... but it is fully ready for prime time http://www.htdig.org/ Run a sample query at: http://www.colug.net/cgi-bin/htsearch for a linux related argument From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 4 14:32:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA31058 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:32:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA31055 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:32:19 -0500 Received: from filter.oasis.net ([64.156.28.16]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA15138 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:32:18 -0500 Received: from menix (63.150.250.34) by FILTER (MailMax 4. 8. 2. 1) with ESMTP id 42541708 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:30:55 -0500 EST Subject: Re: [SLUG] VNC ANSWER! From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <01120323034603.22406@a.genesis.com> References: <20011203180202.487B32AE72@dt2.gschmidt.net> <01120323034603.22406@a.genesis.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/0.99.2 (Preview Release) Date: 04 Dec 2001 14:30:54 -0500 Message-Id: <1007494255.1792.14.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 23:03, Bill wrote: > (Discussion about VNC settings clipped) > > The sysad at school said he couldn't spare the ram to run X on the > school Linux server (386-25 with 16M ram) but suggested I might like > using VNC to run my home box from school. > > Woooohooooo! Was he ever right! > > I still am not clear how to tunnel it through ssh ... http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/sshvnc.html From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 4 15:29:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA31091 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:29:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA31088 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:29:22 -0500 Received: from femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.26]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15359 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:29:21 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011204202850.KGKR3219.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:28:50 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] VNC ANSWER! Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:29:23 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01120323034603.22406@a.genesis.com> <1007494255.1792.14.camel@menix> In-Reply-To: <1007494255.1792.14.camel@menix> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120415292300.30242@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 04 December 2001 14:30, you wrote: > On Mon, 2001-12-03 at 23:03, Bill wrote: > > (Discussion about VNC settings clipped) > > > > I still am not clear how to tunnel it through ssh ... > > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/sshvnc.html You know what? I read that and it just didn't click. Thanks for pointing me back to it. I guess I must have skipped a word or two on the first reading and missed a key point about how things get called. I'm printing it now so I'll have a copy handy when I next login from school. Yer a champ! Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1255828 289524 0 340304 593092 Swap: 401584 0 401584 Total: 1946936 1255828 691108 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 3:23pm up 3 days, 13:29, 4 users, load average: 0.06, 0.06, 0.06 From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 4 17:05:11 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA31195 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:05:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31192 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:05:11 -0500 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA15796 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:05:10 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 22:04:40 -0000 Message-ID: <3C0CAFC7.3090509@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 06:13:11 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Just wanted to know what you guys thought? http://www.designtechnica.com/article.php?sid=750 Looks like an E=machine with less features - but could be fun at a LAN party. Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 4 18:24:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA31265 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:24:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA31262 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:24:58 -0500 Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16054 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:24:57 -0500 Received: from prometheus.gte.net (6534103hfc75.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.103.75]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id RAA72493458 Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:24:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011204182403.00bd6b60@mail.gte.net> X-Sender: vt1@mail.gte.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:24:25 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: VT Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? In-Reply-To: <3C0CAFC7.3090509@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug At 06:13 AM 12/4/01 -0500, you wrote: >Just wanted to know what you guys thought? > >http://www.designtechnica.com/article.php?sid=750 > >Looks like an E=machine with less features - but could be fun at a LAN party. > >Gnorb Tandy EX rides again... VT From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 4 17:57:56 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA31243 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:57:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31240 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:57:56 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15950 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:57:56 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA04981 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:57:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C0CAFC7.3090509@yahoo.com> References: <3C0CAFC7.3090509@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 04 Dec 2001 17:57:26 -0500 Message-Id: <1007506646.568.6.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 06:13, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Just wanted to know what you guys thought? > > http://www.designtechnica.com/article.php?sid=750 > > Looks like an E=machine with less features - but could be fun at a LAN > party. Oh .. my ... god ... It's a C64... -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 4 19:49:06 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA31336 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:49:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA31333 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:49:05 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16282 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:49:05 -0500 Received: from obwan (6532163hfc129.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.163.129]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fB50mYO13956 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:48:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301c17d26$9488d830$17010a0a@obwan> From: "Andrew Wyatt" To: References: <3C0CAFC7.3090509@yahoo.com> <1007506646.568.6.camel@two> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:48:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Glidden" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? > On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 06:13, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > Just wanted to know what you guys thought? > > > > http://www.designtechnica.com/article.php?sid=750 > > > > Looks like an E=machine with less features - but could be fun at a LAN > > party. > > Oh .. my ... god ... > > It's a C64... My thoughts exactly :-) > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ > http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ > > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 4 20:16:36 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA31393 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:16:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA31390 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:16:36 -0500 Received: from femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.24]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16384 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:16:36 -0500 Received: from Maria.local ([67.162.169.156]) by femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011205011603.VEUY5188.femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Maria.local> for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:16:03 -0800 Subject: [SLUG] Quite possibly, I am a moron... From: Logan To: SLUG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 04 Dec 2001 20:17:17 -0500 Message-Id: <1007515048.22747.4.camel@Maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hello all, I have been using linux since 1996. I just used Ximian to install Gnome on top of SawFish, but, when I print from Evolution, I only get the first page. I will readily admit, and take all abuse, for not RTFMing Evolution, but I thought it would be pretty cut and dry, since it is so vilely (is that a word?) pointy and clicky. Logan -- 8:10pm up 11 days, 13:29, 0 users, load average: 0.01, 0.19, 0.14 "Irrationality is the square root of all evil" -- Douglas Hofstadter From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 4 21:51:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA31492 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:51:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA31489 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:51:29 -0500 Received: from devonshire.cnchost.com (devonshire.concentric.net [207.155.248.12]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16623 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:51:28 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by devonshire.cnchost.com id VAA23266; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:50:57 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16BSFQ-0005GQ-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 21:57:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:57:19 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] Quite possibly, I am a moron... Message-ID: <20011204215719.A20186@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , SLUG References: <1007515048.22747.4.camel@Maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1007515048.22747.4.camel@Maria>; from logan1304@home.net on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 08:17:17PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 08:17:17PM -0500, Logan wrote: > I just used Ximian to install > Gnome on top of SawFish, but, when I print from Evolution, I only get > the first page. Somehow that sentence just makes me laugh. Reminds me of saying something like, "I just used a spanner to install the loo on top of the lorry, but when I print from my flat..." Yeah, okay, only three people will get the joke. This may hurt, but have you checked the command line? As in: lpq If your jobs aren't wedged in the queue, try: ls | lpr and see if you get a printout of your directory (you may have to manually formfeed). If you, maybe it's in your filtering plumbing. Do you have apsfilter, magicfilter, what? Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 4 21:12:02 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA31425 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:12:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA31422 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:12:01 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16537 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:11:56 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fB52BPS01487 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:11:25 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Quite possibly, I am a moron... Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:14:45 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <1007515048.22747.4.camel@Maria> In-Reply-To: <1007515048.22747.4.camel@Maria> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120421144500.01528@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Awww, man... let's not even go there.... >;) Glen On Tuesday 04 December 2001 20:17, you wrote: > Hello all, > I have been using linux since 1996. I just used Ximian to install > Gnome on top of SawFish, but, when I print from Evolution, I only get > the first page. I will readily admit, and take all abuse, for not > RTFMing Evolution, but I thought it would be pretty cut and dry, since > it is so vilely (is that a word?) pointy and clicky. > > > Logan From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 4 22:44:03 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA31528 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:44:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA31525 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:44:03 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16749 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:44:02 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fB53jQQ12062 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:45:26 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 22:42:50 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 22:42:44 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id WAA31526 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Kind of looks like an old Atari. It had a 40? baud modem. Chopper command and BBS sites were lots of fun! Although mine didn't have a hardrive. I booted off the ROM and I used a bulky 5 and a quarter inch floppy drive to store stuff. Text adventures were the best! Brett >>> niccademous@yahoo.com 12/04/01 17:52 PM >>> Just wanted to know what you guys thought? http://www.designtechnica.com/article.php?sid=750 Looks like an E=machine with less features - but could be fun at a LAN party. Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 4 22:57:25 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA31544 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:57:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA31541 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:57:25 -0500 Received: from out004pub.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.104]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16762 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:57:20 -0500 Received: from gte.net (tamqfl1-ar3-107-200.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.107.200]) by out004pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id fB53wHU02004 Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:58:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3C0D99FC.2050808@gte.net> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 22:52:28 -0500 From: Robert M Mulroy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2.1) Gecko/20010901 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? References: <3C0CAFC7.3090509@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Just wanted to know what you guys thought? > > http://www.designtechnica.com/article.php?sid=750 > > Looks like an E=machine with less features - but could be fun at a LAN > party. > > Gnorb > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > looks like the old Amiga 500, for those of use that remember them From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 4 23:35:31 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA31572 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:35:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA31569 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:35:31 -0500 Received: from blue01.bluecrabtech.com (bdsl.66.12.50.54.gte.net [66.12.50.54]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16864 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:35:30 -0500 Received: from blue04 ([192.168.1.100]) by blue01.bluecrabtech.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fB54YOO19911 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:34:24 -0500 From: "Michael K. Dittmeier" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:34:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3C0D99FC.2050808@gte.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug wish I still had my amiga 500 and 3000! -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Robert M Mulroy Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:52 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Just wanted to know what you guys thought? > > http://www.designtechnica.com/article.php?sid=750 > > Looks like an E=machine with less features - but could be fun at a LAN > party. > > Gnorb > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > looks like the old Amiga 500, for those of use that remember them From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 01:56:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA31655 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:56:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA31652 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:56:47 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17238 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:56:46 -0500 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.143.118]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011205065615.RCCX7926.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net> for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 06:56:15 +0000 Message-ID: <3C0DC5D0.37DFB977@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 01:59:28 -0500 From: "Maureen L. Thomas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.8-34.1mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] RE: CAD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I work for Pasco county in the 911 call taker/fire rescue dispatch. We are using windows 98SE (networked with the Sherrif's office). It crashes, it's slow as hell. I was just informed that they are looking for a new (computer aided dispatch) software. I would love to be able to present them with some information regarding Linux CAD programs but have been unable to locate any agency or group who already has a Linux CAD system. Do any of you know of this type of program, or someone who might have one already to be installed. Verizon just put in there new 911 CAD system for us based on windows 2000. It is just as bad as our dispatch software on 98SE, maybe even worse. But they will be keeping that. Our radio CAD system is at least based on winNT. So far it's OK. I know apache is used between windows and linux so if I can get them to get some really good solid linux software maybe they will change all the systems over to Linux. I dream big. Maureen From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 02:13:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA31668 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:13:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA31665 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:13:56 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17290 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:13:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fB57DPY30035 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:13:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:13:25 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] RE: CAD In-Reply-To: <3C0DC5D0.37DFB977@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug CAD usually connotes Computer Aided Design -- but the trade for another 'CAD" exists, in doing a Google search On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Maureen L. Thomas wrote: > I work for Pasco county in the 911 call taker/fire rescue dispatch. We Interesting: L A County has theirs on line seemingly in real time: http://cad.chp.ca.gov/ The market is characterized as 'fiercely competetive' by one vendor: http://www.intergraph.com/pubsafety/ I was collaterally involved with a Apache/PHP/MySQL Linux back end for a rural county Sheriff's office -- but it was in no way real time, or even near real time. It would seem that significant liability issues for outages and errors exist, and a vendor could look forward to significant liability insurance expenses (and of course, qualification of the product to GET the insurance issued). Cross ties to NCIC and state and surronding jurisdiction data usually have certain encryption and security standards ... and 'qualifying' a system could be pricey. > to present them with some information regarding Linux CAD programs but > have been unable to locate any agency or group who already has a Linux > CAD system. Do any of you know of this type of program, or someone who > might have one already to be installed. For the foregoing reasons, it seems unlikely that a general comercial system exists -- the vertical market slice is too slim and the development costs too high to limit to a Linux solution -- A 'big iron' Unix system would not surprise me, though ... the reliability and easier record locking would greatly simplify impelmentation -- I'll quote a custom interface on Time and Materials against a Requirements docuemnt or fair (non-vendor tilted) RFP... but it won't be cheap . -- Russ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 04:52:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA31770 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 04:52:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA31767 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 04:52:19 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA17715 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 04:52:19 -0500 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.143.118]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011205095143.CCJX5540.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net> for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:51:43 +0000 Message-ID: <3C0DEEF0.8517B61B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 04:54:56 -0500 From: "Maureen L. Thomas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.8-34.1mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RE: CAD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug We don't use NCIC, all we do is take 911 calls. If they are SO related they get transferred to the sO dispatch, if they are medical or fire related we keep them and dispatch the needed units. What they have done before is purchase the software outright with a contract for updates. There usually is a 6 month period to see if it is usable for our needs. The last one we got from IBM. The only problems were, win 98SE, and who ever wrote the code messed it up pretty bad, and IBM stated they would not work on the code for the needed changes. Something like that, anyway. No insurance is needed by the vendor selling the software. The liability is stricly ours, the call takers and the dispatchers. We are suppose to be able to do our job with or without the software. Most of us have been there before CAD so we can operate without it. We also have a huge backup generator and UPS on all the stations. I was just hoping that someone knew about a CAD in Linux. I'll just keep looking. Too bad I wasn't a programmer, I'd write one myself. But thanks anyway. Maureen R P Herrold wrote: > > CAD usually connotes Computer Aided Design -- but the trade > for another 'CAD" exists, in doing a Google search > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Maureen L. Thomas wrote: > > > I work for Pasco county in the 911 call taker/fire rescue dispatch. We > > Interesting: L A County has theirs on line seemingly in real > time: > http://cad.chp.ca.gov/ > > The market is characterized as 'fiercely competetive' by one > vendor: > http://www.intergraph.com/pubsafety/ > > I was collaterally involved with a Apache/PHP/MySQL Linux back > end for a rural county Sheriff's office -- but it was in no > way real time, or even near real time. > > It would seem that significant liability issues for outages > and errors exist, and a vendor could look forward to > significant liability insurance expenses (and of course, > qualification of the product to GET the insurance issued). > > Cross ties to NCIC and state and surronding jurisdiction data > usually have certain encryption and security standards ... and > 'qualifying' a system could be pricey. > > > to present them with some information regarding Linux CAD programs but > > have been unable to locate any agency or group who already has a Linux > > CAD system. Do any of you know of this type of program, or someone who > > might have one already to be installed. > > For the foregoing reasons, it seems unlikely that a general > comercial system exists -- the vertical market slice is too > slim and the development costs too high to limit to a Linux > solution -- A 'big iron' Unix system would not surprise me, > though ... the reliability and easier record locking would > greatly simplify impelmentation > > -- I'll quote a custom interface on Time and Materials against > a Requirements docuemnt or fair (non-vendor tilted) RFP... but > it won't be cheap . > > -- Russ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 05:57:32 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA31817 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 05:57:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA31814 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 05:57:31 -0500 Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17862 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 05:57:31 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011205105700.WDGQ10265.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:57:00 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Network Port Hosed - Webmin? Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 05:57:31 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01120121264300.01298@noname.nodomain.nowhere> <01120212375602.01298@noname.nodomain.nowhere> <003801c17c09$dcf295c0$4401a8c0@patrick> In-Reply-To: <003801c17c09$dcf295c0$4401a8c0@patrick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120505573100.16873@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 03 December 2001 09:50, you wrote: > From the console of the linux box, try http://localhost:10000/ or > http://127.0.0.1:10000/ Still get the same error? Try > reinstalling the with the latest version. Tim, This is probably too late to save you from putting out a whole lot of effort ... but here's a little tid-bit I just ran across in the rpm for Webmin: PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS VERSION NOW USES SECURE WEB TRANSACTIONS: YOU HAVE TO LOGIN TO "https://localhost:10000/" AND NOT "http://localhost:10000/". Note ... https(ecure)://localhost:10000/ The "s" is the critical detail we have been missing ... and no one else on the list seemed to know about either! :-) I was getting ready to follow Patricks advice myself when I noticed that becuase MY copy of Webmin was acting like yours. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1539496 5856 0 266576 957680 Swap: 401584 356 401228 Total: 1946936 1539852 407084 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 5:53am up 4 days, 3:59, 4 users, load average: 0.66, 0.70, 0.63 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 06:21:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA31833 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 06:21:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA31830 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 06:21:54 -0500 Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA17939 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 06:21:54 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 11:21:23 -0000 Message-ID: <3C0E056F.5B042B58@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 06:30:55 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-6 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] Redhat 7.2 install problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Has anyone installed RedHat 7.2 on an IBM ThinkPad or for that matter an older laptop? I just installed it on an IBM 760 and though 7.1 works great on this Thinkpad. 7.2 won't see my pcmcia card. Which is a 3com Etherlink III lan/modem pcmcia card. I'm thinking of reinstalling 7.1 and then try to do a upgrade vs a complete install of 7.2 Mike M. -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 06:42:40 -0500 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA18199 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 06:42:40 -0500 Received: from user-2ivek5j.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.80.179] helo=roblimo.com) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16BaRE-00011Y-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 06:42:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3C0E079E.9080304@roblimo.com> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 06:40:14 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RE: CAD References: <3C0DEEF0.8517B61B@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > I was just > hoping that someone knew about a CAD in Linux. I'll just keep looking. > Too bad I wasn't a programmer, I'd write one myself. But thanks anyway. > Maureen Here's a European country that sells a Linux-based dispatch system: http://www.systor.com/core/emergency/pfeil/index_e.html A couple of years back I wrote a piece on Slashdot about a cop in the town of St. George UT who wrote a Linux CAD program out there after they got tired of Windows crashes/costs: http://slashdot.org/articles/99/08/27/1641223.shtml People are doing this, but there doesn't seem to be much organized information about it. One of the Linux-oriented news Web sites ought to do some research, write a story about Linux in 911 call centers... - Robin "Roblimo" Miller From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 08:00:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA32093 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 08:00:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA32090 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 08:00:46 -0500 Received: from femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.129]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18339 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 08:00:46 -0500 Received: from Maria.local ([67.162.169.156]) by femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011205130014.FVCD18964.femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Maria.local> for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 05:00:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Quite possibly, I am a moron... From: Logan To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <20011204215719.A20186@quillandmouse.com> References: <1007515048.22747.4.camel@Maria> <20011204215719.A20186@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 05 Dec 2001 08:01:37 -0500 Message-Id: <1007557297.906.0.camel@Maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 21:57, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 08:17:17PM -0500, Logan wrote: > > > I just used Ximian to install > > Gnome on top of SawFish, but, when I print from Evolution, I only get > > the first page. > > Somehow that sentence just makes me laugh. Reminds me of saying > something like, "I just used a spanner to install the loo on top of the > lorry, but when I print from my flat..." Yeah, okay, only three people > will get the joke. > > This may hurt, but have you checked the command line? As in: > > lpq > > If your jobs aren't wedged in the queue, try: > > ls | lpr > > and see if you get a printout of your directory (you may have to > manually formfeed). If you, maybe it's in your filtering plumbing. Do > you have apsfilter, magicfilter, what? > > Paul A wrench to put a toilet on a truck? Heh. Everything prints perfectly with the exception of Evolution. I am using apsfilter. I will check out the Ximian page to see what is what. Logan -- 7:55am up 12 days, 1:14, 1 users, load average: 0.00, 0.18, 0.54 Paranoids are people, too; they have their own problems. It's easy to criticize, but if everybody hated you, you'd be paranoid too. -- D. J. Hicks From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 09:50:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA32175 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:50:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA32172 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:50:07 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA18605 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:50:07 -0500 Received: (qmail 29666 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 14:49:36 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 14:49:36 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 08:49:33 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 09:50:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Get ready for this: We have one of these things and use it when our consultants go to conventions or as a standin unit when one our desktop units fails. It is easy to transport and functions quite well. The old commodore 64 rides again! Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Michael K. Dittmeier Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:34 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? wish I still had my amiga 500 and 3000! -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Robert M Mulroy Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:52 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Just wanted to know what you guys thought? > > http://www.designtechnica.com/article.php?sid=750 > > Looks like an E=machine with less features - but could be fun at a LAN > party. > > Gnorb > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > looks like the old Amiga 500, for those of use that remember them From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 10:37:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA32244 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:37:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA32241 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:37:05 -0500 Received: from web20407.mail.yahoo.com (web20407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.126]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18760 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:37:04 -0500 Message-ID: <20011205153634.91496.qmail@web20407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.220.114.206] by web20407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 07:36:34 PST Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:36:34 -0800 (PST) From: Rodney Phillips Subject: [SLUG] disabling window placement under KDE To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug KDE's default window manager, kwm, offers only 3 choices for how to handle window placement: smart, random, or cascade (at least that's all that's in the GUI config tool, KDE Control Panel or whatever they call it). What I need is to tell KDE to let programs handle their own window placement (at least for certain programs that have their own placement instructions). We have done this in fvwm2 in the past by commenting out Style * NoPPosition in system.fvwm2rc, but fvwm2 has a lousy interface. We have done it in Gnome by choosing "Method of placing windows: none" for sawfish (Gnome's default window manager). But I never got Gnome to work without crashing on a multi-headed (i.e., multi-monitor) system. So can anyone help make Gnome multi-headed, or make KDE allow programs to place themselves? I'm willing to try other window managers with KDE, if needed. This is for a kiosk-like application using X Window/Motif. In other words, while the software is running, users should not be able to get to the desktop or any other software on the machine, the app's windows take over whole screen and can't be minimized. When the software is not running, you want a nice interface to work with while doing other tasks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 11:38:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA32297 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:38:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA32294 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:38:48 -0500 Received: from mail.intergate.cx (imail.fament.com [208.189.26.51]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19001 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:38:48 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:39:34 -0600 Message-Id: <200112051039.AA419627318@mail.intergate.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Andrew Wyatt" X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] disabling window placement under KDE X-Mailer: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Just run it without a window manager? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Rodney Phillips Reply-To: slug@nks.net Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:36:34 -0800 (PST) >KDE's default window manager, kwm, offers only 3 >choices for how to handle window placement: smart, >random, or cascade (at least that's all that's in the >GUI config tool, KDE Control Panel or whatever they >call it). What I need is to tell KDE to let programs >handle their own window placement (at least for >certain programs that have their own placement >instructions). We have done this in fvwm2 in the past >by commenting out >Style * NoPPosition >in system.fvwm2rc, but fvwm2 has a lousy interface. >We have done it in Gnome by choosing "Method of >placing windows: none" for sawfish (Gnome's default >window manager). But I never got Gnome to work >without crashing on a multi-headed (i.e., >multi-monitor) system. >So can anyone help make Gnome multi-headed, or make >KDE allow programs to place themselves? I'm willing >to try other window managers with KDE, if needed. > >This is for a kiosk-like application using X >Window/Motif. In other words, while the software is >running, users should not be able to get to the >desktop or any other software on the machine, the >app's windows take over whole screen and can't be >minimized. When the software is not running, you want >a nice interface to work with while doing other tasks. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. >http://shopping.yahoo.com > -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GAT d+@ s+ a- C++++ ULBH++++$ P++++$ L++++$ E--- W+++ N+++ o+++ K- w---$ O M+ V- PS-- PE+ Y- PGP- t+++@ 5- X++ R* tv-- b++++ DI+++ D++ G++ e* h++ r+++ z** ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 15:22:10 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA32633 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:22:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA32630 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:22:09 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00755 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:22:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fB5KLaY04624 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:21:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:21:36 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] Tampa Linux VNC's Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Anyone on the listfamiliar with: http://www.axel.com/ ? The US distributor of this Linux based VNC unit appears to be in Tampa. http://www.axel.com/uk/partners.html -- Russ Herrold From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 15:24:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA32638 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:24:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA32635 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:24:54 -0500 Received: from blue01.bluecrabtech.com (bdsl.66.12.50.54.gte.net [66.12.50.54]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00763 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:24:54 -0500 Received: from blue04 ([192.168.1.100]) by blue01.bluecrabtech.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id fB5KNhO08443 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:23:43 -0500 From: "Michael K. Dittmeier" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:23:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug how does it woork with RedHat? That's the 64 million dollar question... -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Mikes work account Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:50 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? Get ready for this: We have one of these things and use it when our consultants go to conventions or as a standin unit when one our desktop units fails. It is easy to transport and functions quite well. The old commodore 64 rides again! Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Michael K. Dittmeier Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:34 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? wish I still had my amiga 500 and 3000! -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Robert M Mulroy Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:52 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Just wanted to know what you guys thought? > > http://www.designtechnica.com/article.php?sid=750 > > Looks like an E=machine with less features - but could be fun at a LAN > party. > > Gnorb > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > looks like the old Amiga 500, for those of use that remember them From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 15:25:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA32643 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:25:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA32640 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:25:20 -0500 Received: from snoopy.tblc.org (snoopy.tblc.lib.fl.us [206.72.132.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00765 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:25:20 -0500 Received: from bernie.tblc.org (bernie.tblc.org [206.72.132.8]) by snoopy.tblc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97182002BE for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 15:28:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] Does Partition Magic alter /etc/mtab? From: Ben Ostrowsky To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 05 Dec 2001 15:28:15 -0500 Message-Id: <1007584095.24524.20.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I think I might be going crazy. Does Partition Magic alter /etc/mtab? Last week, I had / on hda and /usr on /hdb. I used Partition Magic 5.x to copy that /usr partition to hda, expecting that I would have to go back into Linux and make sure I could mount the new copy. Well, when I rebooted, I saw that /etc/mtab already listed /usr as being on something like hda6 (which would be about right; there are plenty of partitions on that drive)! (Sadly, I used pico instead of more, so the timestamp isn't helpful in figuring out whether Partition Magic did this.) Am I going crazy here or what? I guess I could remove hdb and see if Linux can find /usr... ;) Gotta say though, if it DID do that, it's nifty (but a bit creepy)... Ben From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 16:15:56 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA32726 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:15:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA32723 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:15:55 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA01046 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:15:55 -0500 Received: (qmail 10191 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 21:15:26 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 21:15:26 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 15:15:22 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:15:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Mike, If I can get my supervisor to let me play with it, I will tell you. Right now it is NT only, but I might be able to get it to dual boot, now that would be keen eh? Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Michael K. Dittmeier Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:24 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? how does it woork with RedHat? That's the 64 million dollar question... -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Mikes work account Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:50 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? Get ready for this: We have one of these things and use it when our consultants go to conventions or as a standin unit when one our desktop units fails. It is easy to transport and functions quite well. The old commodore 64 rides again! Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Michael K. Dittmeier Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:34 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? wish I still had my amiga 500 and 3000! -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Robert M Mulroy Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:52 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zero footprint computer? Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Just wanted to know what you guys thought? > > http://www.designtechnica.com/article.php?sid=750 > > Looks like an E=machine with less features - but could be fun at a LAN > party. > > Gnorb > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > looks like the old Amiga 500, for those of use that remember them From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 16:30:24 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA32753 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:30:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA32750 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:30:23 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA01111 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:30:23 -0500 Received: (qmail 25532 invoked by uid 508); 5 Dec 2001 21:29:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (24.164.21.236) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 21:29:36 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=jcopenha) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16BjSw-0007nG-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 16:20:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:20:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] disabling window placement under KDE In-Reply-To: <200112051039.AA419627318@mail.intergate.cx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I don't think that is possible with KDE.. They don't seem to let you use a window manager other than KWM. On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > Just run it without a window manager? > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Rodney Phillips > Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:36:34 -0800 (PST) > > >KDE's default window manager, kwm, offers only 3 > >choices for how to handle window placement: smart, > >random, or cascade (at least that's all that's in the From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 17:32:40 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA00454 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:32:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA00451 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:32:40 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01483 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:32:39 -0500 Received: from obwan (6532163hfc129.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.163.129]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fB5MW9Z05868 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:32:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001701c17ddc$afe879d0$17010a0a@obwan> From: "Andrew Wyatt" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] disabling window placement under KDE Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:32:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug No, that's not the case, I use KDE apps with WindowMaker all the time.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Copenhaver" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] disabling window placement under KDE > > I don't think that is possible with KDE.. They don't seem to let you use a > window manager other than KWM. > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > > > Just run it without a window manager? > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: Rodney Phillips > > Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:36:34 -0800 (PST) > > > > >KDE's default window manager, kwm, offers only 3 > > >choices for how to handle window placement: smart, > > >random, or cascade (at least that's all that's in the > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 18:07:50 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA00557 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:07:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA00554 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:07:50 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA01656 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:07:50 -0500 Received: (qmail 16891 invoked by uid 508); 5 Dec 2001 23:07:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (24.164.21.236) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 23:07:17 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.25] (helo=adonix ident=divert) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16BkzU-00002y-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 17:58:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 18:07:21 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] disabling window placement under KDE In-Reply-To: <001701c17ddc$afe879d0$17010a0a@obwan> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug yeah. .I guess your right.. I don't know what I was thinking =) On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > No, that's not the case, I use KDE apps with WindowMaker all the time.. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Copenhaver" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: [SLUG] disabling window placement under KDE > > > > > > I don't think that is possible with KDE.. They don't seem to let you use a > > window manager other than KWM. > > > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > > > > > Just run it without a window manager? > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > > From: Rodney Phillips > > > Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:36:34 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > >KDE's default window manager, kwm, offers only 3 > > > >choices for how to handle window placement: smart, > > > >random, or cascade (at least that's all that's in the > > > > > > > > > > > -- "Without documentation you can never know what the code was meant to do, only what it does" -- Rik van Riel (#kernelnewbies) From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 19:07:11 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA00722 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:07:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA00719 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:07:11 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01908 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:07:11 -0500 Received: from obwan (6532163hfc129.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.163.129]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fB606eZ14401 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:06:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003701c17de9$e43ed6e0$17010a0a@obwan> From: "Andrew Wyatt" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] disabling window placement under KDE Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:06:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have those moments 1440 times a day. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Copenhaver" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] disabling window placement under KDE > yeah. .I guess your right.. I don't know what I was thinking =) > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > > > No, that's not the case, I use KDE apps with WindowMaker all the time.. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jason Copenhaver" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 4:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] disabling window placement under KDE > > > > > > > > > > I don't think that is possible with KDE.. They don't seem to let you use a > > > window manager other than KWM. > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > > > > > > > Just run it without a window manager? > > > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > > > From: Rodney Phillips > > > > Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:36:34 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > >KDE's default window manager, kwm, offers only 3 > > > > >choices for how to handle window placement: smart, > > > > >random, or cascade (at least that's all that's in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > "Without documentation you can never know what the code was meant to do, > only what it does" > -- Rik van Riel (#kernelnewbies) > > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 5 19:27:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA00807 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:27:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA00804 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:27:43 -0500 Received: from web20406.mail.yahoo.com (web20406.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.125]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA02012 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:27:43 -0500 Message-ID: <20011206002712.77080.qmail@web20406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.220.114.206] by web20406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 16:27:12 PST Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 16:27:12 -0800 (PST) From: Rodney Phillips Subject: Re: [SLUG] disabling window placement under KDE To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <001701c17ddc$afe879d0$17010a0a@obwan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks for the input. I need some window manager for certain features of the app. Can WindowMaker be told to let apps place their own windows? --- Andrew Wyatt wrote: > No, that's not the case, I use KDE apps with > WindowMaker all the time.. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Copenhaver" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: [SLUG] disabling window placement under > KDE > > > > > > I don't think that is possible with KDE.. They > don't seem to let you use a > > window manager other than KWM. > > > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > > > > > Just run it without a window manager? > > > > > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > > > From: Rodney Phillips > > > > Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:36:34 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > >KDE's default window manager, kwm, offers only > 3 > > > >choices for how to handle window placement: > smart, > > > >random, or cascade (at least that's all that's > in the > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 6 02:48:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA01266 for slug-track29; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 02:48:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA01263 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 02:48:00 -0500 Received: from femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03336 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 02:47:59 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011206074728.RLZI19917.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:47:28 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: SUNCOAST LUG Subject: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] From you friendly Microsoft rep Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 02:47:57 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120602475700.30475@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey Tina, Rob (all others, too!) ... have a field day with this one :-) Read the enclosure then come back and read the cited references. I think you'll find the forwarded email very enlightening. googling for wu-ftp, CERT, NIPC, Core and Bindview Corporation reveals: http://www.wu-ftpd.org/ http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-33.html http://www.nipc.gov/ http://www.core-sdi.com/pressroom/pop_nota.php?idx=172 http://www.bindview.com/ Pay close attention to dates. It took 6 months to find the actual exploit; 2 weeks to fix it. Code Red got rolling in March. The "iffy" code in wu-ftp was spotted 2 months later. Nov. 14 it was developed into a full tilt exploit. Nov. 28 a distribution specific upgrade became available from RedHat. By Dec. 3 (not quite 3 weeks) all major distros had patched upgrades available. Meanwhile, I still get hit with over 1,400 Nimda attempts a day. And the Gartner Group has advised corporations to pull IIS as being not worth fixing and a risk to the continuation of business. If you read between the lines, I think you will agree somebody wanted these exploits exposed. Core appears to have released the exploit code the same day it announced the vulnerability. Question how many copies of wu-ftp are still in use. Question the reference to Grannie ... and whether I would be getting hit 1,400 times a day if she could apply a MSFT service pack. The difference is, any Linux Grannie running an FTP server knows it. Most Windows people have no idea what is actually running on their machines. Wu-ftp ships with a lot of distributions. It is not enabled by default in any of them that I know of. AFAIK, ProFTP is generally the favored form of FTP for those running Linux-based FTP servers. To get a real feel for the threat to the public from breached wu-ftp servers, consider that all five of these conditions must be true. 1) Must be exposed to the internet --> 2) must run Linux --> 3) must run an FTP server --> 4) must have chosen wu-ftp --> 5) has not applied a single package upgrade. Think hard about the wet-noodle line. Isn't the customary MSFT defense to whine that it is made a target because it has so many copies installed? Linux didn't cop that plea ... Linux fixed the problem. So nearly as I can tell, the "patches are imminent" line is a definite and verifiable falsehood. The patches were available two days before the email was sent. If the original author of the email was as well versed in the matter as he presented himself as being, he could be reasonably expected to know he was lying. Bill ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [MDLUG] From you friendly Microsoft rep Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 10:24:55 EST From: Ray Hernandez To: mdlug@radiusnet.net This was a warning sent out by my company's Microsoft rep: Just in case you know someone running Linux... FBI Warns: Turn Off Your Linux FTP Servers The FBI, following the premature, accidental disclosure of a massive security hole by Red Hat, has issued an alert advising all web sites running Linux- based FTP servers to shut down immediately - or at a minimum disable anonymous guest login and strictly enforce password security. The security problem is believed to affect most FTP servers in the world. Patches are imminent - and some may be available by the time this story is read. Anyone who doesn't patch risks the consequences. The hole isn't in Linux itself, but in the wu-FTPd program, written at Washington University, that ships with the most copies of Linux. Some folks describe wu-FTPd as "ubiquitous." The flaw, known by the unlovely name "wu-FTP Globbing Heap Corruption Vulnerability," lets a hacker who knows how access every single file on the server. Those tricks were unknown until Red Hat accidentally revealed the problem on Tuesday by issuing an alert and saying it had a fix - for Red Hat Linux only. Once hackers knew the hole existed it was apparently simple to write an "exploit" to take advantage of it. "It is believed that an exploit, leveraging this vulnerability for Linux system, is already circulating in the hacker community," the FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Center warned Wednesday. The emergency problem was created when Red Hat accidentally violated an understanding, coordinated by the US government-funded Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT), under which the major Linux vendors agreed not to reveal the problem until December 3. By then a patch was supposed to be ready for all affected Linux distributions, a list that includes Caldera, Sun/Cobalt, Connectiva, MandrakeSoft, TurboLinux, Wirex, Debian and SuSE in addition to Red Hat. The list of which versions of each distribution are affected is pages long. A red-faced Red Hat admitted it goofed. It said it finished work on its own fix early. The security alert was written and wasn't supposed to go out until December 3, but slipped out along with some other unrelated software updates. The problem was that there was no patch ready for anyone else's distribution. Hmmm. Red Hat apologized to the industry and said that it's changing its release process to prevent such a thing from happening again, but the damage was done. According to the FBI, the security problem was actually discovered more than six months ago by Bindview. Nobody in the Linux community did anything about it for all that time based on a belief, proven erroneous on November 14 by Core Security Technologies, that the vulnerability could not be exploited. Linux security folks began patching Globbing Heap but, according to some reports, they were working at a leisurely pace, figuring they had until December 3 to finish. After all, why bolt down a few gulps of Thanksgiving turkey and ruin the holiday weekend by rushing back to work. If such a tale had been told about a Windows security vulnerability, Microsoft would have been publicly hung by the thumbs and flogged with a wet noodle until it cried for mercy. That's not to say that Microsoft hasn't faced equally horrendous security problems, Nimda and Code Red just to name the most recent headline grabbers. This problem may, though, be even greater in scale because there are believed to be far more Linux-powered ftp sites on the Internet than Windows-powered sites. Nobody has an accurate count. According to the FBI the greatest danger is to web sites that let anyone access the files in a given directory on their server - the so-called anonymous or guest login. The practice of letting guests log-in is widespread. Anyone who's ever downloaded a piece of free software, a free music file or even a text file has probably used such a login, even if they didn't realize they were doing it. The vulnerability also exists on sites that are password protected. Anyone with a legitimate password providing access to even a single directory can apparently misuse the right and penetrate a server down to the root. At press time, the wu-FTP group had posted what appears to be a patch, though it's not clear that it works with all Linux distributions. The patch was said to protect only wu-FTP 2.6.1. Users of earlier versions have to upgrade and then apply several patches. This isn't, by the way, a job for grandma. The patch is raw source code. When the various distributions release finished patches they should be usable by normal human beings, or as close to normal as anyone who's in charge of a web server ever gets. There's also another problem. The Washington University crew warns that some pre-released Linux distributions include the beta version of a new cut of wu-FTP. The beta of the new version, currently identified as version 2.7 but scheduled for eventual release as version 2.8, is vulnerable. The patch won't fix it. - SZ ------------------------------------------------------- -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1463748 81604 0 311936 794256 Swap: 401584 12 401572 Total: 1946936 1463760 483176 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 1:56am up 5 days, 2 min, 5 users, load average: 0.03, 0.08, 0.07 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 6 07:33:30 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA23128 for slug-track29; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 07:33:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA23117 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 07:33:29 -0500 Received: from snoopy.tblc.org (snoopy.tblc.lib.fl.us [206.72.132.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13531 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 07:33:29 -0500 Received: from bernie.tblc.org (bernie.tblc.org [206.72.132.8]) by snoopy.tblc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F798200204 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 07:37:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Does Partition Magic alter /etc/mtab? From: Ben Ostrowsky To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1007584095.24524.20.camel@bernie.tblc.org> References: <1007584095.24524.20.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 06 Dec 2001 07:36:21 -0500 Message-Id: <1007642182.28143.0.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Am I going crazy here or what? I guess I could remove hdb and see if > Linux can find /usr... ;) That's what I did last night: yup, PM5 seems to have altered /etc/mtab! Handy dandy... Ben From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 6 08:40:48 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA14114 for slug-track29; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:40:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA14104 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:40:46 -0500 Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05167 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:40:41 -0500 Received: from user-2iveliu.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.86.94] helo=roblimo.com) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Byl0-000127-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 08:40:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3C0F74C6.4030402@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 08:38:14 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] From you friendly Microsoft rep References: <01120602475700.30475@a.genesis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Bill wrote: > Hey Tina, Rob (all others, too!) ... have a field day with this one > :-) The wu-ftp xploit is old news. If you checked NewsForge regularly (or better yet, subscribed to the NewsForge daily headline email) you'd have know about it two weeks ago. :) - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 6 08:10:51 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA21945 for slug-track29; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:10:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA21932 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:10:50 -0500 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27026 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:10:49 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-035.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.35] helo=localhost) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ByI1-0004O6-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 05:10:13 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 16ByHv-0000UT-00 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 08:10:07 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] From you friendly Microsoft rep Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 08:10:06 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <01120602475700.30475@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: <01120602475700.30475@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Pay close attention to dates. It took 6 months to find the actual > exploit; 2 weeks to fix it. Code Red got rolling in March. The "iffy" > code in wu-ftp was spotted 2 months later. Nov. 14 it was developed > into a full tilt exploit. Nov. 28 a distribution specific upgrade > became available from RedHat. By Dec. 3 (not quite 3 weeks) all major > distros had patched upgrades available. Not to defend M$, but to be fair, they did have a patch available relatively quickly for Nimda, IIRC. Obviously people aren't applying it, though, since you're still getting hit. Now imagine if Linux were as widespread as Windows. Would there be the same non-patch problem? > Meanwhile, I still get hit > with over 1,400 Nimda attempts a day. > Question how many copies of wu-ftp are still in use. Question the > reference to Grannie ... and whether I would be getting hit 1,400 > times a day if she could apply a MSFT service pack. Could Grannie (not the savvy Grannie, mind you) apply a patch from RedHat? Or from any other distro? I know Debian, so I'll reference it here: security updates can be made automatic by Debian's apt-get utility. I don't think they are automatic by default, though. > Most Windows > people have no idea what is actually running on their machines. I don't think this is a fair statement. If you replace "Windows" with "Linux" and by extension Linux were as widespread, that statement would still apply. All I'm trying to say here is that the Linux Community needs to attempt to be fair about the way its criticism of M$ is bandied about. We need to be better than they are. We can be. Yes, Linux may have fixed the problem. Yes, Linux may have done it in a short period of time. However, Linux needs to be "idiot-proof." Because it's still mostly within the hackers' realm, it will continue to get more and more idiot-proof. Once it gets into the hands of "lusers", it will be a different story. Hopefully all of the things that we criticize M$ for will be taken care of by the various distros, and be done in a better, more comprehensive way that makes us look good, and not like them. Russell From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 10:26:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14493 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:26:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14453 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:26:55 -0500 Received: from miva03.hispeedhosting.com (miva03.hispeedhosting.com [216.109.137.5]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15081 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:46:24 -0500 Received: from diamondwrite.com (tamqfl1-ar1-011-023.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.11.23]) (authenticated) by [216.109.147.30] (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id fB6Mjo029709 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:45:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3C0FF4A8.3030604@diamondwrite.com> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:43:52 -0500 From: David Levi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.6+) Gecko/20011201 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Cases References: <000301c17b95$db1c67e0$b1d9fea9@michael> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have half a dozen cases with misc. parts in them. All are pre-ATX. Does anyone in Tampa want them? If so, email me off-list. David Levi From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 10:26:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14356 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:26:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14326 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:26:46 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA15937 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:38:36 -0500 Received: from 24.95.237.134.bvl-ubr-a.cfl.rr.com by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ga193394 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:40:08 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c17eda$495593c0$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <01120602475700.30475@a.genesis.com> <3C0F74C6.4030402@roblimo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] From you friendly Microsoft rep Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:47:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug How do I set default file permission? I to set a folder's right to g+rwx for a web development project. New files created need to inherit the right of the group and not the right of the creator. What do I do? The man pages give such a wealth of info and I'm sure answer this, but it's not clear to me. Patrick From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 10:26:43 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14271 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:26:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14236 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:26:39 -0500 Received: from smtp003pub.verizon.net (smtp003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.182]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18025 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:02:24 -0500 Received: from there (tamqfl1-ar5-073-205.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.42.73.205]) by smtp003pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id fB7F1rX20415 Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:01:53 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200112071501.fB7F1rX20415@smtp003pub.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "R.G. Mayhue" To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Fwd: Open GL Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:01:33 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This was sent to me yesterday. If anyone is interested please contact *HIM* off list. I know nothing more then you see below. -- R.G. Mayhue r.g.mayhue@verizon.net ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Open GL Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 00:22:02 -0500 From: "Eric Thompson" To: Mr. Mayhue, I am currently looking for someone with strong experience with Open GL. Do you happen to know of anyone that you can recommend within your group. Regards, Eric Thompson (813)269-9311 ------------------------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 10:26:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14361 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:26:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14316 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:26:46 -0500 Received: from femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.38]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16269 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 01:22:57 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011207062226.DVTE8659.femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:22:26 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] From you friendly Microsoft rep Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 01:22:52 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01120602475700.30475@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120701225203.30475@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 06 December 2001 08:10, you wrote: > > Question how many copies of wu-ftp are still in use. Question the > > reference to Grannie ... and whether I would be getting hit 1,400 > > times a day if she could apply a MSFT service pack. > > Could Grannie (not the savvy Grannie, mind you) apply a patch from > RedHat? Or from any other distro? I know Debian, so I'll reference > it here: security updates can be made automatic by Debian's apt-get > utility. I don't think they are automatic by default, though. > Russ ... the reference to Grannie came from the MSFT rep. I certainly don't think there are very many Grannies running any version of FTP ... on any platfom. The MS rep. introduced an absurdity ... the issue of unskilled users being unable to patch a system they can not install to begin with ... and I questioned it. His purpose was to ridicule Linux as being too complex to use and my purpose is to return the ridicule. I have yet to install a software patch. One of these days I should probably try it, eh? I don't know if the mass user mediocrity problem that afflicts MSFT would also afflict Linux in the same way. At best, there can only be conjecture on the topic. That whole question gets over into the philosophical contemplations as to how easy Linux -should- be to operate. Frankly, I think it should not be made much easier to use ... if that were even possible ... than it is today. I am (currently) familiar with only Mandrake. Mandrake is probably easier to install and use on a desktop machine than Windows ... but I'd just as soon that didn't become common knowledge. I would rather newbies didn't migrate to Linux until they were ready for a technical challenge ... that of keeping a system secured from commonly known threats. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1459984 85368 0 318792 804404 Swap: 401584 12 401572 Total: 1946936 1459996 486940 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 12:08amup 5 days, 22:14, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.07 From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 10:26:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14487 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:26:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14414 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:26:53 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15329 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:57:15 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fB6Nw7Y21257 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 18:58:07 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:55:47 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:55:37 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] From you friendly Microsoft rep Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id KAA14433 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The only issues I would have is that patching linux doesn't require a reboot unless you update the kernel. Having to reboot causes downtime and also forces administrators to go through the internal change mangement process. For me I can just patch my linux servers at any time but the windows stuff hast to go through our management for approval. That takes a week unless it's an emergency. Trying to explain why we need to do an emergency patch is a pain especially when everyone starts to wonder why were doing so much. Also M$ has a history of providing buggy patchs that blow up a machine. >>> rhires@earthlink.net 12/06/01 09:40 AM >>> > Pay close attention to dates. It took 6 months to find the actual > exploit; 2 weeks to fix it. Code Red got rolling in March. The "iffy" > code in wu-ftp was spotted 2 months later. Nov. 14 it was developed > into a full tilt exploit. Nov. 28 a distribution specific upgrade > became available from RedHat. By Dec. 3 (not quite 3 weeks) all major > distros had patched upgrades available. Not to defend M$, but to be fair, they did have a patch available relatively quickly for Nimda, IIRC. Obviously people aren't applying it, though, since you're still getting hit. Now imagine if Linux were as widespread as Windows. Would there be the same non-patch problem? > Meanwhile, I still get hit > with over 1,400 Nimda attempts a day. > Question how many copies of wu-ftp are still in use. Question the > reference to Grannie ... and whether I would be getting hit 1,400 > times a day if she could apply a MSFT service pack. Could Grannie (not the savvy Grannie, mind you) apply a patch from RedHat? Or from any other distro? I know Debian, so I'll reference it here: security updates can be made automatic by Debin's apt-get utility. I don't think they are automatic by default, though. > Most Windows > people have no idea what is actually running on their machines. I don't think this is a fair statement. If you replace "Windows" with "Linux" and by extension Linux were as widespread, that statement would still apply. All I'm trying to say here is that the Linux Community needs to attempt to be fair about the way its criticism of M$ is bandied about. We need to be better than they are. We can be. Yes, Linux may have fixed the problem. Yes, Linux may have done it in a short period of time. However, Linux needs to be "idiot-proof." Because it's still mostly within the hackers' realm, it will continue to get more and more idiot-proof. Once it gets into the hands of "lusers", it will be a different story. Hopefully all of the things that we criticize M$ for will be taken care of by the various distros, and be done in a better, more comprehensive way that makes us look good, and not like them. Russell From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 10:26:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14318 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:26:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14261 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:26:41 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17512 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 07:21:01 -0500 Received: from midas.lan (6535199hfc149.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.199.149]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id fB7CKGU02285 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 07:20:16 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] test From: Seth Hollen To: slug Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.0.99+cvs.2001.12.06.08.57 (Preview Release) Date: 07 Dec 2001 07:17:46 -0500 Message-Id: <1007727467.1959.2.camel@midas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug is this thing on? From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 10:26:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14358 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:26:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14308 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:26:45 -0500 Received: from femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.40]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16221 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 01:04:35 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011207060405.FDEK10319.femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:04:05 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] From you friendly Microsoft rep Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 01:04:31 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01120602475700.30475@a.genesis.com> <3C0F74C6.4030402@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C0F74C6.4030402@roblimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120701043102.30475@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 06 December 2001 08:38, you wrote: > > The wu-ftp xploit is old news. If you checked NewsForge regularly > (or better yet, subscribed to the NewsForge daily headline email) > you'd have know about it two weeks ago. :) > > - Robin It's the MSFT email that's fresh. That, not the exploit, was the intended focus of my posting. I apologize for having not expressed that clearly enough. The CORE website has example exploit code and the bindview site has software to locate vulnerable copies of wu-ftp on RH servers. All that seems to be missing is the announcement of a corporate sponsor for the cracking contest. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1473936 71416 0 318832 804796 Swap: 401584 12 401572 Total: 1946936 1473948 472988 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 12:42am up 5 days, 22:48, 5 users, load average: 1.22, 0.95, 0.48 From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 11:26:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA18005 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:26:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17994 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:25:59 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19967 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:25:59 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fB7GR7Y18158 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:27:07 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 11:24:44 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 11:24:35 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] From you friendly Microsoft rep Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id LAA17995 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Use "man chmod" to see the man page discribing all the permission details. chmod - Used for changing permissions chown - Used to change the user chgrp - Used to change to group >>> pwgrant@yahoo.com 12/06/01 11:47PM >>> How do I set default file permission? I to set a folder's right to g+rwx for a web development project. New files created need to inherit the right of the group and not the right of the creator. What do I do? The man pages give such a wealth of info and I'm sure answer this, but it's not clear to me. Patrick From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 12:49:54 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA22909 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:49:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA22902 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:49:53 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17812 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:49:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fB7HnKB05414 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:49:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:49:20 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] From you friendly Microsoft rep In-Reply-To: <01120701225203.30475@a.genesis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Bill wrote: > On Thursday 06 December 2001 08:10, you wrote: > > > > Question how many copies of wu-ftp are still in use. Question the > > > reference to Grannie ... and whether I would be getting hit 1,400 > > > times a day if she could apply a MSFT service pack. > > > > Could Grannie (not the savvy Grannie, mind you) apply a patch from > > RedHat? Or from any other distro? I know Debian, so I'll reference > > it here: security updates can be made automatic by Debian's apt-get > > utility. I don't think they are automatic by default, though. > > > Russ ... the reference to Grannie came from the MSFT rep. I certainly ... not my reply about Grannie -- but my mother, born before 1930, and my father, older still, are the target I want to be able to just sit down at a Linux box, and not notice the OS -- it needs to 'just work' and do everything they want. It already does for my teenaged children. -- I can (through my management tools) keep it safe and current without conscious involvement in the process So all I have left to support in person is the Application layer -- and as I implied in the first para., that is my goal. -- Russ From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 14:03:32 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA18683 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:03:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA18680 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:03:32 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA30203 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:03:31 -0500 Received: (qmail 29907 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 19:03:00 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 19:03:00 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 13:02:58 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] rsync Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:03:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have tried every possible combination of options for rsync and still am not able to transfer owner and group to the new location. The files and directories move and they do that correctly as far as size is concerned. >From out of nowhere I get a user on the system as the new owner of one of the transferred directories and all of the files in that directory. No where does this person have any permissions or ownerships, not the files or rsync or the conf file,,, nothing. Could this be pre holiday stress manisfesting it self?? Does anyone have any clues as to what I need to do to maintain the owner and group for the transferred files? Michael C. Rock From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 14:27:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA18756 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:27:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA18753 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:27:49 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30321 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:27:49 -0500 Received: from midas.lan (6535194hfc119.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.194.119]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id fB7JRIU29019 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:27:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] rsync From: Seth Hollen To: slug In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.0.99+cvs.2001.12.06.08.57 (Preview Release) Date: 07 Dec 2001 14:24:49 -0500 Message-Id: <1007753090.3211.1.camel@midas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug What commands are you using? I believe if you use archive mode (-a) it preserves everything. also -L, --copy-links treat soft links like regular files --copy-unsafe-links copy links outside the source tree --safe-links ignore links outside the destination tree -H, --hard-links preserve hard links -p, --perms preserve permissions -o, --owner preserve owner (root only) -g, --group preserve group -D, --devices preserve devices (root only) -t, --times preserve times from man rsync seth On Fri, 2001-12-07 at 14:03, Mikes work account wrote: > > I have tried every possible combination of options for rsync and still am > not able to transfer owner and group to the new location. > > The files and directories move and they do that correctly as far as size is > concerned. > > >From out of nowhere I get a user on the system as the new owner of one of > the transferred directories and all of the files in that directory. No > where does this person have any permissions or ownerships, not the files or > rsync or the conf file,,, nothing. > > > > Could this be pre holiday stress manisfesting it self?? > > Does anyone have any clues as to what I need to do to maintain the owner and > group for the transferred files? > > Michael C. Rock > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 14:47:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA18820 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:47:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA18817 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:47:17 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA30392 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:47:17 -0500 Received: (qmail 14552 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 19:46:47 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 19:46:47 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 13:46:41 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] rsync Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:47:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1007753090.3211.1.camel@midas> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug >From my client I enter " rsync -avz :: " The a option is not perserving the owner or group. It keeps what ever is there on the client only. In this case I am 'pulling' the files onto the client, should I be pushing them from the server?? Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Seth Hollen Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 2:25 PM To: slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] rsync What commands are you using? I believe if you use archive mode (-a) it preserves everything. also -L, --copy-links treat soft links like regular files --copy-unsafe-links copy links outside the source tree --safe-links ignore links outside the destination tree -H, --hard-links preserve hard links -p, --perms preserve permissions -o, --owner preserve owner (root only) -g, --group preserve group -D, --devices preserve devices (root only) -t, --times preserve times from man rsync seth On Fri, 2001-12-07 at 14:03, Mikes work account wrote: > > I have tried every possible combination of options for rsync and still am > not able to transfer owner and group to the new location. > > The files and directories move and they do that correctly as far as size is > concerned. > > >From out of nowhere I get a user on the system as the new owner of one of > the transferred directories and all of the files in that directory. No > where does this person have any permissions or ownerships, not the files or > rsync or the conf file,,, nothing. > > > > Could this be pre holiday stress manisfesting it self?? > > Does anyone have any clues as to what I need to do to maintain the owner and > group for the transferred files? > > Michael C. Rock > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 15:15:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA18890 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:15:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA18887 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:15:07 -0500 Received: from femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.31]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30495 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:15:07 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011207201436.QFRA5816.femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:14:36 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] From you friendly Microsoft rep Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:15:00 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120715150001.21363@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Friday 07 December 2001 12:49, you wrote: > ... not my reply about Grannie -- but my mother, born before > 1930, and my father, older still, are the target I want to be > able to just sit down at a Linux box, and not notice the OS -- > it needs to 'just work' and do everything they want. It > already does for my teenaged children. Sorry Russ ... don't know why your name came to mind. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1531380 13972 0 314552 892056 Swap: 401584 1804 399780 Total: 1946936 1533184 413752 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 3:14pm up 6 days, 13:20, 6 users, load average: 3.04, 2.45, 1.82 From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 15:15:48 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA18901 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:15:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA18898 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:15:48 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30499 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:15:47 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fB7KGuY31655 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:16:56 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 15:14:34 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 15:14:22 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] rsync Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id PAA18899 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug You need to add a "p" to it in order to preserver the permissions. That was listed in the man page for rsync. In other words rsync -apvz :: Brett Simpson Internet Administrator for Hillsborough County (813) 301-7144 simpsonb@hillsboroughcounty.org >>> mrock@stewartsigns.com 12/07/01 02:47PM >>> >From my client I enter " rsync -avz :: " The a option is not perserving the owner or group. It keeps what ever is there on the client only. In this case I am 'pulling' the files onto the client, should I be pushing them from the server?? Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Seth Hollen Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 2:25 PM To: slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] rsync What commands are you using? I believe if you use archive mode (-a) it preserves everything. also -L, --copy-links treat soft links like regular files --copy-unsafe-links copy links outside the source tree --safe-links ignore links outside the destination tree -H, --hard-links preserve hard links -p, --perms preserve permissions -o, --owner preserve owner (root only) -g, --group preserve group -D, --devices preserve devices (root only) -t, --times preserve times from man rsync seth On Fri, 2001-12-07 at 14:03, Mikes work account wrote: > > I have tried every possible combination of options for rsync and still am > not able to transfer owner and group to the new location. > > The files and directories move and they do that correctly as far as size is > concerned. > > >From out of nowhere I get a user on the system as the new owner of one of > the transferred directories and all of the files in that directory. No > where does this person have any permissions or ownerships, not the files or > rsync or the conf file,,, nothing. > > > > Could this be pre holiday stress manisfesting it self?? > > Does anyone have any clues as to what I need to do to maintain the owner and > group for the transferred files? > > Michael C. Rock > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 15:25:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA18930 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:25:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA18927 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:25:41 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30524 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:25:41 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA24756 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:25:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] rsync From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 07 Dec 2001 15:25:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1007756711.7429.4.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 2001-12-07 at 14:03, Mikes work account wrote: > > I have tried every possible combination of options for rsync and still am > not able to transfer owner and group to the new location. Here's how I typically move stuff from one box to another: rsync -avx --partial --numeric-ids -e ssh root@host:/path/ /local/path -a means "copy all relevant file attributes like mod-date, owner, file perms, etc" -x means "copy from a single partition - don't drill down into other mounted partitions under this path" --partial means "keep partially copied files" rather than delete them if the rsync is interrupted as is the default --numeric-ids means "keep the original uid/gid". If you leave off this option, rsync will try to map remote username and group to a local matching username and group *either of which might be a different uid/gid* rather than keeping the same uid/gid as on the remote box. It sounds like you either need to use this last option, or are using and shouldn't be. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 15:42:13 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA19013 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:42:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA19010 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:42:12 -0500 Received: from filter.oasis.net ([64.156.28.16]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA30610 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:42:11 -0500 Received: from menix (63.150.250.34) by FILTER (MailMax 4. 8. 2. 1) with ESMTP id 76892060 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 15:41:30 -0500 EST Subject: RE: [SLUG] rsync From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 07 Dec 2001 15:41:29 -0500 Message-Id: <1007757690.17155.1.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 2001-12-07 at 14:47, Mikes work account wrote: > > > >From my client I enter " rsync -avz :: to put files>" > > The a option is not perserving the owner or group. It keeps what ever is > there on the client only. In this case I am 'pulling' the files onto the > client, should I be pushing them from the server?? > > Michael C. Rock I don't have a lot of experience with rsync, but have you tried piping tar into ssh (using pubkey authentication): tar cf - ./directory_and_or_files(s) | ssh -l username "cd /path_to_untar; tar xf -" From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 16:08:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA19086 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:08:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA19083 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:08:07 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30746 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:08:07 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA25129 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:07:37 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] rsync From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 07 Dec 2001 16:07:37 -0500 Message-Id: <1007759257.7429.6.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 2001-12-07 at 15:14, Brett Simpson wrote: > You need to add a "p" to it in order to preserver the permissions. That was listed in the man page for rsync. In other words > > rsync -apvz :: to put files> My rsync manpage says: -a, --archive This is equivalent to -rlptg. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 18:36:56 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA19608 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:36:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA19605 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:36:56 -0500 Received: from out007pub.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31408 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:36:55 -0500 Received: from desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-022.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.22]) by out007pub.verizon.net with SMTP ; id fB7NcEN10022 Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:38:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <01fd01c17f77$ef0061e0$6b35fea9@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc - KD4E" To: , Subject: [SLUG] Sounds As Our Govt. Needs Some Help From Linux! Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:36:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Pretty pitiful if the lack of basic security at the DOI is accurately described. What sort of hardware under Linux could handle the minimal firewall task to keep out most intruders? Perhaps some Geeks or SLUG members could offer to fix the problem for them as a public service project? Giggle ... doc ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40340,00.html Interior Dept. Blacks Out Web Sites Following Court Order Friday, December 07, 2001 By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos WASHINGTON - If you're planning a trip to one of America's national parks soon and browsing the Web for information, don't bother going to the National Park Service's official sites. They're all down. They, along with the entire network of Web sites operated by the U.S. Department of Interior, were inaccessible Friday following an order by a U.S. District judge who feared flimsy security might have contributed to the loss of billions of Native American Indian trust monies. Employees with agencies in the department were notified of the shutdown Thursday. E-mail operations are also interrupted. It is unclear how long the blackout will last. Judge Royce C. Lamberth ordered Department Secretary Gail Norton late Wednesday to immediately shut down Internet access from any computer, server and system in the department that has access to individual Indian trust data. In response to the order, the department has shut down its e-mail and more than 100 Web sites including those for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the National Park Service, and the Bureau of Land Management. None of the sites were accessible Friday. BLM spokeswoman Celia Boddington said she could send e-mail to other BLM employees, but could not contact anyone outside the bureau. Lamberth, who has presided over a long-running lawsuit accusing the federal government of losing more than $10 billion in Indian trust money over the last century, ordered the shutdown after a hacker hired by a court-appointed investigator broke into the trust fund twice without much effort. "Without such direct oversight, the threat to records crucial to the welfare of hundreds of thousands of (Indian) beneficiaries will continue unchecked," investigator Alan Balaran wrote in a statement to Judge Lamberth. The computer system currently tracks $500 million a year in royalties, rents and other income from 54 acres of land held in trust by the DOI and its Bureau of Indian Affairs since 1887. That money is supposed to be doled out methodically to Indian beneficiaries, but as the lawsuit contends, much has been mismanaged, lost or downright stolen over the decades. Balaran said his hacker merely used a normal Internet connection and free software to get into the system. Once inside, he said, there were no firewalls and or anything installed to detect intruders. Another hacker hired by the DOI found the same shortcomings in the system. Dennis Gingold, the attorney who asked the judge for the order, said Interior didn't need to take such a sweeping approach to comply with the judge's order. "This just shows you how inept they are," he said. "They don't even understand how these systems relate to each other so they just pull the plug on the entire system." Secretary Norton, who inherited the lawsuit initiated during the Clinton administration, is expected back in court Dec. 10 to defend her office against contempt of court allegations. She is charged with showing that her office complied with Lamberth's 1999 order that the Interior Department piece together how much is owed to 300,000 Indians who sued the agency. Norton also must prove that she did not file false or misleading reports about the status of the accounting and the department's current system of tracking the Indian royalties. In 1999, Lamberth held former Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt and former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin in contempt and fined them $600,000 for failing to produce documents in the case. He also ordered Interior to fix the system and account for the lost money, but so far the department has failed to do either despite spending $614 million on the effort, according to reports by court-appointed watchdogs. At an Oct. 30 hearing, Lamberth scolded the Interior Department's lawyer and advised the lawyer to "throw yourself on the mercy of the court," rather than defending conduct he called "so clearly contemptuous." The Associated Press contributed to this report From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 7 20:31:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA19960 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:31:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA19957 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:31:46 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31710 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:31:42 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fB81VBS10269 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:31:11 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sounds As Our Govt. Needs Some Help From Linux! Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:34:37 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01fd01c17f77$ef0061e0$6b35fea9@vz.dsl.genuity.net> In-Reply-To: <01fd01c17f77$ef0061e0$6b35fea9@vz.dsl.genuity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120720343700.01371@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Were they running Wu-ftpd or IIS? Glen On Friday 07 December 2001 18:36, you wrote: > Pretty pitiful if the lack of basic security at the DOI is accurately > described. What sort of hardware under Linux could handle the > minimal firewall task to keep out most intruders? > > Perhaps some Geeks or SLUG members could offer to fix the > problem for them as a public service project? > > Giggle ... doc > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40340,00.html > > Interior Dept. Blacks Out Web Sites Following Court Order > > Friday, December 07, 2001 > By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos > > WASHINGTON - If you're planning a trip to one of America's national parks > soon and browsing the Web for information, don't bother going to the > National Park Service's official sites. They're all down. > > They, along with the entire network of Web sites operated by the U.S. > Department of Interior, were inaccessible Friday following an order by a > U.S. District judge who feared flimsy security might have contributed to > the loss of billions of Native American Indian trust monies. > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 8 02:42:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA21297 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 02:42:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA21294 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 02:42:58 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00594 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 02:42:57 -0500 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.144.65]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011208074226.JYDG15547.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net> for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 07:42:26 +0000 Message-ID: <3C11C537.CE652AF9@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 02:45:59 -0500 From: "Maureen L. Thomas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.8-34.1mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RE: CAD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug R P Herrold wrote: > > > -- I'll quote a custom interface on Time and Materials against > a Requirements docuemnt or fair (non-vendor tilted) RFP... but > it won't be cheap . > > -- Russ I would really appreciate it. Any quote you come up with will still be less than any other vendor pushing windows. I am preparing a package to present to my boss that would give a rough estimate as far as our problems with the current system vs a more stable linux one. I will add your information and name, contact info etc to it. I have also emailed Officer Sherman Stebbins, St. George Police Department, in Utah regarding information on the Linux system they use. Hopefully I will be able to show them the great advantages of linux over microsoft and cure some of my own headaches (at work) too. Thanks. Maureen From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 8 08:05:03 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA22321 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 08:05:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA22318 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 08:05:02 -0500 Received: from out001pub.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.101]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01677 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 08:05:02 -0500 Received: from there (tamqfl1-ar5-073-205.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.42.73.205]) by out001pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id fB8D5FZf011255 Sat, 8 Dec 2001 07:05:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200112081305.fB8D5FZf011255@out001pub.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "R.G. Mayhue" To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Fwd: Re: Open GL Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 08:04:10 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Here is a follow up on the post I made yesterday. This may provide a little more info for anyone interrested in these jobs. I don't personally know this gentleman. He must have got my name and email address from the SLUG site and being that they are Linux related jobs I informed him that I would pass it on to the list. If anyone is interrested please contact Eric Thompson at the address below. Thanks! ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: Open GL Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:20:34 -0500 From: "Eric Thompson" To: "R.G. Mayhue" Mr. Mayhue, Thank you for your help. To let you know what is going on...I am the President of the Tampa Bay Java Users Group and have recently finished up a contract. One of the consulting companies that supports our meetings (i.e.. pays for the location and food) has asked if I might be able to help them find some people for projects...I have two other openings listed below that might be of interest to members of your group: Systems Engineer (Very Hardware Focused) Duties: Responsible for understanding of complex electronic systems. Responsible for development of new systems and redesign of existing systems to improve system performance, to include software, hardware and supporting documentation. Ability to troubleshoot and repair system in development and the field. Ability to provide clear technical direction to assist in training and required support for system development and issue resolution. Ability to interface with customers and resolve technical issues effectively. Requirements: BS, MS, or PhD in Engineering and/or equivalent experience. A minimum of 5 years experience required. Ability to understand software, electronic, electrical and mechanical assemblies, and interfaces. Must have strong background in real time programming in C / C++ under UNIX/LINUX platforms and their associated interfaces. Excellent verbal and written communication skills required. Cheers, E/T ------------------------------------------------------- -- R.G. Mayhue r.g.mayhue@verizon.net From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 8 09:11:11 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA22486 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:11:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA22483 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:11:10 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01838 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:11:10 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fB8ECJY19266 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:12:19 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 09:09:56 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 09:09:49 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: Re: RE: [SLUG] rsync Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id JAA22484 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Your right. I didn't notice that. >>> dglidden@illusionary.com 12/07/01 16:55 PM >>> On Fri, 2001-12-07 at 15:14, Brett Simpson wrote: > You need to add a "p" to it in order to preserver the permissions. That was listed in the man page for rsync. In other words > > rsync -apvz :: to put files> My rsync manpage says: -a, --archive This is equivalent to -rlptg. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 8 10:09:28 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA22629 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:09:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA22626 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:09:27 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01933 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:09:27 -0500 Received: from newcomputer (653266hfc227.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.66.227]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fB8F8uO25701 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:08:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001901c17ffa$58f83e60$02000003@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cases Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:09:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug David I am intrested but your email address was not working to contact you yesterday! Thanks Bill Preece bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: David Levi To: slug@nks.net Date: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: [SLUG] Cases > >I have half a dozen cases with misc. parts in them. All are pre-ATX. >Does anyone in Tampa want them? If so, email me off-list. > >David Levi > > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 8 11:07:30 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA22771 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:07:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA22768 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:07:30 -0500 Received: from miva03.hispeedhosting.com (miva03.hispeedhosting.com [216.109.137.5]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02036 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:07:30 -0500 Received: from diamondwrite.com (tamqfl1-ar1-011-023.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.11.23]) (authenticated) by [216.109.147.30] (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id fB8G6vl29582 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:06:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3C123A27.3000802@diamondwrite.com> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:04:55 -0500 From: David Levi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.6+) Gecko/20011201 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cases References: <001901c17ffa$58f83e60$02000003@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Bpreece wrote: > David I am intrested but your email address was not working to contact you > yesterday! > Thanks > Bill Preece Alas, I've already parted with them. Several people wanted them, right away. David Levi From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 9 09:38:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA30929 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 09:38:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA30924 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 09:38:00 -0500 Received: from omta04.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05306 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 09:38:00 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta04.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2F04F533; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 06:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 0CCBD36F9; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 06:37:18 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1007908637-22754-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 06:37:17 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: chkolb@ticnet.com, scott.rife@tavve.com, slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Fwd: Microsoft Antitrust ruling - send your opinion X-Originating-Ip: [209.4.40.65] Message-Id: <20011209143718.0CCBD36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1007908637-22754-0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** There is an attachment in this mail. *** _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net ------------=_1007908637-22754-0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by imta12.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D006B4AC0E for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:18:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from huma (653252hfc12.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.52.12]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fB8KIGZ10794; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:18:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002101c18025$a6131be0$6501a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Chuck Hill" To: "Deniz Franck" , Subject: Microsoft Antitrust ruling - send your opinion Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:19:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 FYI. If you want to make your opinion known on Microsoft's sweetheart deal with the DOJ, the DOJ is accepting opinions at this address: microsoft.atr@usdoj.gov . Here's the article I read that talks a little more about it. If enough of us speak out, maybe the Bushies will hear... Chuck ========================================================= RED HAT RESPONDS TO MICROSOFT ANTITRUST, CLASS-ACTION SETTLEMENTS November was a busy month for Microsoft and the US judicial system. It began when the Department of Justice announced it had reached a settlement of the antitrust suit against the company. The DOJ had previously found Microsoft to be a monopolist, but the settlement included no punishment for past actions and left doubt as to its protections against future monopolistic practices. The DOJ is collecting your letters about the settlement via email. We encourage you to share your opinions. send your letters to: microsoft.atr@usdoj.gov Not long after the DOJ settlement, Microsoft announced it had agreed to another settlement regarding a separate class-action suit brought against the company by numerous parties that alleged overpricing of Microsoft products. The settlement forces Microsoft to donate software, hardware, and services to America's poorest schools. Red Hat responded to the proposed settlement, pointing out that the settlement could simply introduce Microsoft to a market where they could further extend their monopoly. In its counter-proposal, Red Hat offered to provide free software to every school in America if Microsoft provided the value of its donation in hardware costs rather than its own software. ------------=_1007908637-22754-0-- From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 9 15:29:26 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA31937 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:29:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA31934 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:29:25 -0500 Received: from web20403.mail.yahoo.com (web20403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.122]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA06000 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:29:24 -0500 Message-ID: <20011209202854.83116.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [131.247.167.42] by web20403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:28:54 PST Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:28:54 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Keyes Subject: [SLUG] performance of linux vs windows nt/2000 To: "PC_Support@matrixlist.com" , slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug hey folks... i've read about 4 sites and seen some graphs . the last site (admittedly pro-linux), http://www.jimmo.com/Linux-NT_Debate/ said that once windows was tweaked positively and linux tweaked negatively, windows was, in benchmarks, 1.5 better than linux. One site showed many different tests between linux and nt (one being the mindcraft test), and showed that windows served many more pages per second than linux as a web server. Another site--a linux gaming site http://linuxgames.com/articles/comparison/ -- rated the frames per second served by 3 different video cards under linux vs. windows; linux was significantly lower than windows with every card (even when the company had special drivers for linux)! I know this is an extremely vague question, but does hardware perform better under linux or windows?!! sorry in advance.... hehehe.... :-/ ===== ________________ Justin Keyes m9u35@yahoo.com ________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 9 16:01:21 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA32036 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:01:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA32033 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:01:21 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06057 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:01:17 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fB9L0kZ23300 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:00:46 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] performance of linux vs windows nt/2000 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:04:21 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20011209202854.83116.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20011209202854.83116.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120916042100.06857@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Well, in the immortal words of Yours Truly(r), 'A strong bias doth not a strong case make'. Personally, with dri enabled with my voodoo3, I can get up to 260fps depending the app. The lowest I have seen from any app with dri is about 35fps. Very acceptable to me, I think. *Most* hardware runs faster under Linux. Video cards are still in the realm of stingy docs, so they are the worst fardware to try to benchmark under Linux - we have to figure them out on our own. Let's see MS do that and get benchmarks like we do. Glen On Sunday 09 December 2001 15:28, you wrote: > hey folks... i've read about 4 sites and seen some graphs . > the last site (admittedly pro-linux), http://www.jimmo.com/Linux-NT_Debate/ > said that once windows was tweaked positively and linux tweaked negatively, > windows was, in benchmarks, 1.5 better than linux. > One site showed many different tests between linux and nt (one being the > mindcraft test), and showed that windows served many more pages per second > than linux as a web server. Another site--a linux gaming site > http://linuxgames.com/articles/comparison/ -- rated the frames per second > served by 3 different > video cards under linux vs. windows; linux was significantly lower than > windows with every card (even when the company had special drivers for > linux)! > I know this is an extremely > vague question, but does hardware perform better under linux or windows?!! > > sorry in advance.... hehehe.... :-/ > > ===== > ________________ > > Justin Keyes > m9u35@yahoo.com > ________________ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 9 18:59:19 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA32452 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:59:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA32449 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:59:18 -0500 Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06433 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:59:18 -0500 From: Doumbeck1@aol.com Received: from Doumbeck1@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 4.13.31e54b8 (3996) for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:58:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <13.31e54b8.294554b2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:58:42 EST Subject: Re: [SLUG] performance of linux vs windows nt/2000 To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Strictly speaking, hardware doesn't perform better or worse for either system. It is the software which is really being benchmarked. Depending on the hardware and software involved performance may vary even for like models running the "same" OS. Things that deal with actual CPU cycles and infrastructure related stuff, linux uses the hardware more efficiently/effectively than Windows...On the other hand, for many multimedia applications, Windows seems to outpace linux often by a long shot. The reason is because although linux is a suitable platform for multimedia, the software written for the w32 codebase has had much more experience in development for these applications. It will take some time for the opensource community to really take hold and understand good codewritting for multimedia. One of the ways this could be helped would be by having a unified library base for multimedia similarly to the way we have a glibc, which is an extension and continuation of the unix libc libraries. There are too many libraries being developed and used only for one app, even though the authors intent on creating such a library is so that others can use the code in their apps too. What we see is libs that are used for 1 and 2 apps and that's it. If there was a unified multimedia lib base that was aggressively developed and improved by the open source community, within 3 years I would be willing to bet that multimedia as a whole runs better under linux. Linus and friends have already taken the cue and have integrated code and devices into the kernel to take advantage of newer multimedia platform hardware, its up to the community to unify the effort in the style of GNU glibc. Perhaps the project managers of the existing multimdia library code base could get together and merge their code effectively. disclaimer...I am not a GNU fan, infact at the moment I am not pleased with RMS, but the glibc project is one of the best managed open source projects yet. Scot Mc Pherson From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 9 21:39:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA00371 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:39:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA00368 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:39:18 -0500 Received: from femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06736 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:39:17 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011210023846.LEHX2379.femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:38:46 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] performance of linux vs windows nt/2000 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:39:09 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20011209202854.83116.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> <01120916042100.06857@24285hfc17> In-Reply-To: <01120916042100.06857@24285hfc17> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120921390900.21428@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sunday 09 December 2001 16:04, you wrote: > *Most* hardware runs faster under Linux. Video cards are still in > the realm of stingy docs, so they are the worst hardware to try to > benchmark under Linux - we have to figure them out on our own. > Let's see MS do that and get benchmarks like we do. > > Glen > As another writer has mentioned, if a piece of hardware gets a series of bits through its wiring, it can't tell if the pulses come from Windows or Linux and will handle them the same. The rub is getting the right pulses to the right connectors in the right order in a big hurry ... that is the work assigned drivers and is a software issue. I did my own benchmark that, while far from exhaustive, seemed conclusive to me ... and strongly influenced my decision to learn how to use Linux exclusively. Here's how I did it. It's fiendishly easy to duplicate, localized for your own hardware. I set my computer up to dual boot Windows 98 and Mandrake 7.2 , making sure I installed 'tree' in Mandrake. Windows still includes it in the "olddos" directory of your install CD. Just copy it to somewhere on your path. C:\ is as good a place as any. Get a stopwatch and calculator. Boot to one of the OS's. Fire up a GUI (your choice) in Linux, open a terminal session and fire up tree against the root directory. Calculate the number of files that hit the screen per second by adding the number of directories found (they are actually files) to the number of regular files found and dividing by the elapsed time. Using the command of "$time tree" against a ReiserFS, my own numbers are : 1724 directories, 20795 files 0.52user 0.41system 0:04.85elapsed 19%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (130major+1823minor)pagefaults 0swaps YMMV, but this gives me a total of 22,519 files divided by 4.85 seconds for a final number of 4,643 files to the screen per second. Now, do the same in Windows by opening a window to an MS-DOS prompt and running the identical program (tree). Using a stopwatch is probably not as precise as using the Linux "time" command, but the difference is probably going to be so glaring as to render slight imprecision in stopping / starting the watch moot. I consider the processing overhead of running "time" to be lost in the larger error of using a stopwatch to time Windows. I no longer have a copy of Windows with tree installed, but when I did, Linux had a >3:1 advantage. It whupped Windows rather handily. Now Win98 is just one more program on my hard drive. It runs in VMware and interferes with printing from Linux so I don't leave it loaded. It is possible to define an outcome and then create a benchmark to meet that outcome. Be VERY cautious about online benchmarks. There are lots of ways to jiggle the numbers. The simple test I did on my home computer was compelling to me in that I KNEW that both OS's were running stock off the install CD and that they were absolutely accessing the identical hardware. (Also stock, but different file systems. Although Linux could have dealt with vfat95, Windows couldn't have handled ext2fs. I gave each their own.) Run your own tests on your own equipment. FPS is a good measure of vid card speed ... but did you notice that Glen did not tell you the size / resolution of the screen he was running ? A couple hundred fps in a 2"/2" window running an 8 color palette at low resolution is not especially encouraging. It's only nice if you just want to run test patterns. :-) I don't think Glen did this ... not at all ... but my point is that he did not document the exact circumstances at which he got a very favorable frame rate. I have found that Linux either does a good job supporting a piece of hardware or else declares its support to be either "iffy" or non-existent. If Linux, absolutely and without further qualification, says it supports a vid card and you are getting rotten numbers on it, quite likely you have an error in your setup ... possibly going all the way back to the kernel or your X server. Even if it says the support is "iffy", there is a very real chance that all the major components of it are running and, unless you press it very hard, you may never find the point of failure. My ATI Rage 128 (16 meg) is well supported. I don't even try gaming (lack of interest) so frame rate is not a critical number for me. But I do push 1600 x 1200 x 24 bpp (iirc) into a 19" monitor and have never noticed a lag in screen re-draw. Since this is a user interface issue, if I can't detect it, it effectively doesn't exist. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 957360 587992 0 315336 402612 Swap: 401584 0 401584 Total: 1946936 957360 989576 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 7:17pm up 20:31, 2 users, load average: 0.12, 0.25, 0.59 From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 9 21:51:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA00413 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:51:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA00410 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:51:44 -0500 Received: from devonshire.cnchost.com (devonshire.concentric.net [207.155.248.12]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06765 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:51:43 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by devonshire.cnchost.com id VAA07084; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:51:11 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16DGed-0007dB-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 21:58:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:58:49 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Re: performance of linux vs windows nt/2000 Message-ID: <20011209215849.A28863@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Justin posted this question to another list, and Bryan TheBS Smith answered it there. This was his answer. (Hope he doesn't mind me quoting him. ;-) ----- Forwarded message from slug@lists.nks.net ----- Justin Keyes wrote: > One site showed many different tests between linux and nt (one > being the mindcraft test), and showed that windows served many > more pages per second than linux as a web server. Yes, because IIS is an NT _kernel_-based web server and Apache is an user-space (i.e. regular, protected program) web server. As such, Tux, a Linux _kernel_-based web server, was born out of this contest. Webspec performance of Tux is 3x that of IIS. But I do *NOT* advocate running a kernel-based web server for reliability reasons. The contest also used quite unrealistic system configurations. From the hardware, to only serving static web pages. It also didn't show where Apache absolutely rules, _dynamic_content_, which is what 98% of the major sites use. In comparison to Apache modulararchitecture, IIS' VB/ASP just cannot keep up. > Another site--a linux gaming site http://linuxgames.com/articles/ > comparison/ -- rated the frames per second served by 3 different > video cards under linux vs. windows; linux was significantly > lower than windows with every card (even when the company had > special drivers for linux)! I know this is an extremely > vague question, but does hardware perform better under linux or > windows?!! _Only_nVidia_ (hopefully ATI soon) produces Linux and Windows drivers from the same codebase. All other vendors either get theirs from 3rd party efforts (the majority), or post-hacked configuration (e.g., Matrox). In the case of nVidia's drivers, they are purposely tweaked for reliability on Linux, and disable various features (like Sideband Addressing, Fast Writes, etc...). With those features enabled, Linux can "hold its own" against 2000/XP at OpenGL and wins many, and both blow Windows 9x away. The bottom line is that when it comes to 3D performance, the underlying OS doesn't matter. It's the maturity of the hardware and the drivers. I'll gladly take a 5-10% performance hit in Linux for increased reliability. I like running for months switching between games, surfing and working. -- TheBS -- Bryan "TheBS" Smith mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org chat:thebs413 Engineer AbsoluteValue Systems, Inc. http://www.linux-wlan.org President SmithConcepts, Inc. http://www.SmithConcepts.com ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 9 22:27:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA00506 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:27:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA00503 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:27:58 -0500 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA06831 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:27:58 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 03:27:27 -0000 Message-ID: <3C138C38.7050901@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 11:07:20 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: Microsoft Antitrust ruling - send your opinion References: <20011209143718.0CCBD36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is the letter I wrote to microsoft.atr@usdoj.gov . I encourage all of you to do the same. Gnorb ----- To who it may concern; Since when is the United States in the habit of rewarding Monopolists by allowing them to extend their sphere of influence? Microsoft offers to settle by giving under powered computers to schools, loaded with their over-priced software. In this case, even valuing the software at $.01 is over-priced. This is tantamount to letting a criminal value the worth of his own dollar in a cash settlement ("Yes, this dollar should be valued in 1951 standards..."). Furthermore, what has been offered is the equivalent of having told a Gasoline monopolist that their punishment is to put MORE gas stations up in neighborhoods where they don't hold a monopoly. In this case, however, when you put their gasoline in your car you could put no other products other than theirs - gas, oil, transmission fluid, etc. - or those approved by them. I believe the reasoning behind your decision is based on your lack of knowledge of the REAL issue at hand. Microsoft has never been a monopoly because of their Internet browser. So what if they've endowed their Operating System (OS) with web browsing capabilities? Unix has had the same abilities for over 30 years! The problem is their licensing agreements with computer manufacturers, which state that any company that distributes Windows with their computers is NOT ALLOWED to display support for ANY other OS. How do you justify one company controlling the policies of another separate and private entity? Whatever happened to an open economic system? If you truly want to punish them for their monopolistic practices, you will do the following: 1) Agree to the Red Hat proposition which would force Microsoft to buy 1,000,000 computers instead of 200,000. Red Hat has agreed to install their industry standard Operating System, Linux, for free on all 1,000,000 computers, complete with all source code (something which you are now battling Microsoft to open up). If you feel uncomfortable with one company installing their own operating system on all systems, then you can also enlist the help of various other Linux companies, such as SuSE A.G., MandrakeSoft, TurboLinux, eSmith, as well as Non corporate entities, such as the Debian Linux Project and the Free Software Foundation. All with full source code, all with open standards, all who work with the air of cooperation in their business dealings. This would, of course, include the support of Linux's creator, Linux Torvalds, of Transmeta, Inc. 2) Force them to open up their File Format standards and specifications (this is the extension on your documents, such as .doc for a MS Word Document and .xls for an Excel style sheet). This would force the company's products to compete in an equal playing field with other office suites, such as Corel's WordPerfect and Sun's StarOffice, as well as non corporate entities such as the Open Office project and AbiSource, instead of cornering and forcing customers into using their products. 3) Force the company to recant all licensing stipulations which call for their products to have a place of exclusivity on any other company's distributed system. Directly, DO NOT allow them to "own" the boot sector of any machine in which their Operating system is installed. This would allow Hardware companies such as Dell and Compaq to pre install other Operating systems, such as Linux and BeOS (as well as any new operating system which might appear) and give them equal prominence in a system, allowing the end consumer to make the decision, thereby allowing a truly open and free market to balance itself out. Thank you for your time and may God grant you the wisdom to do the right thing. Sincerely, Norbert Omar Cartagena Voter _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 9 22:54:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA00619 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:54:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA00616 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:54:55 -0500 Received: from femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06905 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:54:55 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011210035424.NAWC2379.femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com>; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 19:54:24 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: microsoft.atr@usdoj.gov Subject: [SLUG] Public comment Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:54:46 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: KLUG , LUGWASH , Metro Detroit Linux Users Group , SUNCOAST LUG MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120922544601.21428@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug It is my belief that the proposed antitrust settlement with Microsoft Corporation is not in the best interests of the American people. It does not protect against future abuses and in fact encourages the spread of the Microsoft software monopoly by training a vast army of young people to use their operating system and attendant application programs to the exclusion of very viable software alternatives. America is based on freedom of choice; but students in Americas' public schools can only learn to use computers, an essential skill for the coming generation of employees, on the products provided to them. Today, the Dept. of Justice has an opportunity to broaden the scope of that choice and thus empower generations yet unborn. It also has the opportunity to cavill to Bill Gates and thus must choose between greatness and ignominy. The Northern Territories school district in Australia, with a population of just over 200,000, finds that it saved $1,000,000 in the first year alone by using Linux alongside Microsoft products to provide computer education at all grade levels. This was enough to allow the school district to purchase an additional 1,000 computers for distribution in the schools and as loaner units for students (and their parents) to use at home. In a few short years their children will be competing, very effectively, on the worldwide intellectual marketplace against American children whose access to hardware was hampered by the prohibitive cost imposed by the practice of using Microsoft products all but exclusively in the public schools. The Australian experience could have been dramatically more productive had they used Linux as the operating system on all their computers but it was a good initial step. The present savings represent its use in their servers only. http://opensourceschools.org/article.php?story=20011207001012102 I support the notion that Microsoft should pay its fine in hardware donations only. It has been brought to my attention that Red Hat Software of Research Triangle Park, NC, (near Durham, NC) has offered to provide pro-bono copies of the Linux operating system corresponding to a Microsoft donation of hardware. It is my desire that any donation of software that Microsoft might choose to make would not be included in the proposed settlement but must also be a pro-bono gesture corresponding to the Red Hat Software offer. Moreover, any copies of software Microsoft might donate should require no payment of any sort by the schools at any forward point in time. It must be a true donation of indefinite duration, just as the Red Hat offer is. Otherwise, if required to pay, the schools would eventually have to abandon their training programs for lack of funds to re-license / upgrade their software. http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/011120/202744_1.html While Microsoft Corporation should not be excluded from expressing generosity, such generosity, expressed as software gifts, only furthers their ability to monopolize the marketplace and should not be permitted as a part of the penalty for having followed illegal practices in the establishment of their dominance in the software market. Microsoft has painted itself the champion of choice and freewill while villifying open-source software as being un-American. I think it is time for their actions, public and private, to match their very public words. Software donations should be no part of the proposed settlement. Sincerely William G. Canaday Detroit, MI. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 9 23:31:41 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA00711 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 23:31:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA00708 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 23:31:40 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06968 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 23:31:40 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBA4V9O19617 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 23:31:09 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] performance of linux vs windows nt/2000 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 23:34:47 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20011209202854.83116.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> <01120916042100.06857@24285hfc17> <01120921390900.21428@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: <01120921390900.21428@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01120923344700.09119@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ok. 19" screen, 1200x1024 resolution, 16bpp I ran (I believe) a mesa demo called tunnel(?) that scored my fps at almost 300 because it really wasn't doing much, and was probably using display lists to speed up performance. I'm not sure which game it was that I was running that gave me a 35fps score, but I believe it was Soldier of Fortune set on one of the insane 'everybody comes back from the dead to shoot at you again' settings. Again, it's a Voodoo3 3000 with XF86 ver. 4.1.0 on dual celeron 433 with 512M ram. Same resolution and as full a screen I could get on both apps. What I really meant to get at was that Linux is a little more efficient with most hardware, but when it comes to things like video cards, even the companies that make them tend to fudge the drivers a bit. Look at older NVidia drivers for an indication of this (these have improved). You can't really base any buying decisions on benchmarks alone. My Voodoo3 is good enough for me, and runs accelerated OGL just fine. A G-Force 3 might have better overall performance but it's not better enough to warrant going out an buying a new card. That's pretty much all I meant. Just don't make cash decisions based on benchmarks unless you do them yourself. Glen On Sunday 09 December 2001 21:39, you wrote: > On Sunday 09 December 2001 16:04, you wrote: > > *Most* hardware runs faster under Linux. Video cards are still in > > the realm of stingy docs, so they are the worst hardware to try to > > benchmark under Linux - we have to figure them out on our own. > > Let's see MS do that and get benchmarks like we do. > > > > Glen > > As another writer has mentioned, if a piece of hardware gets a series > of bits through its wiring, it can't tell if the pulses come from > Windows or Linux and will handle them the same. The rub is getting > the right pulses to the right connectors in the right order in a big > hurry ... that is the work assigned drivers and is a software issue. > > I did my own benchmark that, while far from exhaustive, seemed > conclusive to me ... and strongly influenced my decision to learn how > to use Linux exclusively. > > Here's how I did it. It's fiendishly easy to duplicate, localized for > your own hardware. > > I set my computer up to dual boot Windows 98 and Mandrake 7.2 , > making sure I installed 'tree' in Mandrake. Windows still includes it > in the "olddos" directory of your install CD. Just copy it to > somewhere on your path. C:\ is as good a place as any. > > Get a stopwatch and calculator. Boot to one of the OS's. Fire up a > GUI (your choice) in Linux, open a terminal session and fire up tree > against the root directory. Calculate the number of files that hit > the screen per second by adding the number of directories found (they > are actually files) to the number of regular files found and dividing > by the elapsed time. > > Using the command of "$time tree" against a ReiserFS, my own numbers > are : > 1724 directories, 20795 files > 0.52user 0.41system 0:04.85elapsed 19%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata > 0maxresident)k > 0inputs+0outputs (130major+1823minor)pagefaults 0swaps > > YMMV, but this gives me a total of 22,519 files divided by 4.85 > seconds for a final number of 4,643 files to the screen per second. > > Now, do the same in Windows by opening a window to an MS-DOS prompt > and running the identical program (tree). Using a stopwatch is > probably not as precise as using the Linux "time" command, but the > difference is probably going to be so glaring as to render slight > imprecision in stopping / starting the watch moot. I consider the > processing overhead of running "time" to be lost in the larger error > of using a stopwatch to time Windows. > > I no longer have a copy of Windows with tree installed, but when I > did, Linux had a >3:1 advantage. It whupped Windows rather handily. > Now Win98 is just one more program on my hard drive. It runs in > VMware and interferes with printing from Linux so I don't leave it > loaded. > > It is possible to define an outcome and then create a benchmark to > meet that outcome. Be VERY cautious about online benchmarks. There > are lots of ways to jiggle the numbers. The simple test I did on my > home computer was compelling to me in that I KNEW that both OS's were > running stock off the install CD and that they were absolutely > accessing the identical hardware. (Also stock, but different file > systems. Although Linux could have dealt with vfat95, Windows > couldn't have handled ext2fs. I gave each their own.) > > Run your own tests on your own equipment. FPS is a good measure of > vid card speed ... but did you notice that Glen did not tell you the > size / resolution of the screen he was running ? A couple hundred fps > in a 2"/2" window running an 8 color palette at low resolution is not > especially encouraging. It's only nice if you just want to run test > patterns. :-) > > I don't think Glen did this ... not at all ... but my point is that > he did not document the exact circumstances at which he got a very > favorable frame rate. > > I have found that Linux either does a good job supporting a piece of > hardware or else declares its support to be either "iffy" or > non-existent. If Linux, absolutely and without further qualification, > says it supports a vid card and you are getting rotten numbers on it, > quite likely you have an error in your setup ... possibly going all > the way back to the kernel or your X server. > > Even if it says the support is "iffy", there is a very real chance > that all the major components of it are running and, unless you press > it very hard, you may never find the point of failure. > > My ATI Rage 128 (16 meg) is well supported. I don't even try gaming > (lack of interest) so frame rate is not a critical number for me. But > I do push 1600 x 1200 x 24 bpp (iirc) into a 19" monitor and have > never noticed a lag in screen re-draw. Since this is a user interface > issue, if I can't detect it, it effectively doesn't exist. > > Bill From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 01:07:52 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA00968 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 01:07:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA00965 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 01:07:51 -0500 Received: from femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.33]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07256 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 01:07:51 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011210060716.JLUS12781.femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:07:16 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: SUNCOAST LUG Subject: [SLUG] Public Comment (Open letter to the DOJ) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 01:07:38 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121001073800.24567@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is what I sent the DOJ at 22:54, December 9. I cc'd a copy to SLUG but apparently it died enroute. microsoft.atr@usdoj.gov I wanted to mention the possibility of requiring a change in the Microsoft licensing program to permit the co-installation of additional operating systems by OEM's to a new hard drive but felt it better to restrain myself to a single point and to make that particular point as well as I could with arguments both brief and well-fleshed out. This could probably have been better written but that would have required someone else to write it. Feel free to post it intact or to modify and forward it as you see fit. Please do not add my full name (if you know it) to forwarded copies. I don't need 3,000,000+ people able to cross reference my full name with my email address. As surely as electrons dance, at least one of them will be a spammer. Bill ___________________________________________________ It is my belief that the proposed antitrust settlement with Microsoft Corporation is not in the best interests of the American people. It does not protect against future abuses and in fact encourages the spread of the Microsoft software monopoly by training a vast army of young people to use their operating system and attendant application programs to the exclusion of very viable software alternatives. America is based on freedom of choice; but students in Americas' public schools can only learn to use computers, an essential skill for the coming generation of employees, on the products provided to them. Today, the Dept. of Justice has an opportunity to broaden the scope of that choice and thus empower generations yet unborn. It also has the opportunity to cave in to the personal ambitions of Bill Gates and thus must choose between greatness and ignominy. The Northern Territories school district in Australia, with a population of just over 200,000, finds that it saved $1,000,000 in the first year alone by using Linux alongside Microsoft products to provide computer education at all grade levels. This was enough to allow the school district to purchase an additional 1,000 computers   for distribution in the schools and as loaner units for students (and their parents) to use at home. In a few short years their children will be competing, very effectively, on the worldwide intellectual marketplace against American children whose access to hardware was hampered by the prohibitive cost imposed by the practice of using Microsoft products all but exclusively in the public schools. The Australian experience could have been dramatically more productive had they used Linux as the operating system on all their computers but it was a good initial step. The present savings represent its use in their servers only. http://opensourceschools.org/article.php?story=20011207001012102 I support the notion that Microsoft should pay its fine in hardware donations only. It has been brought to my attention that Red Hat Software of Research Triangle Park, NC, (near Durham, NC) has offered to provide pro-bono copies of the Linux operating system corresponding to a Microsoft donation of hardware. It is my desire that any donation of software that Microsoft might choose to make would not be included in the proposed settlement but must also be a pro-bono gesture corresponding to the Red Hat Software offer. Moreover, any copies of software Microsoft might donate should require no payment of any sort by the schools at any forward point in time. It must be a true donation of indefinite duration, just as the Red Hat offer is. Otherwise, if required to pay, the schools would eventually have to abandon their training programs for lack of funds to re-license / upgrade their software. http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/011120/202744_1.html While Microsoft Corporation should not be excluded from expressing generosity, such generosity, when expressed as software gifts, only extends their ability to monopolize the marketplace and should not, therefore, be permitted as a part of the penalty for having followed illegal practices in establishing the base monopoly. The Department of Justice did not give Willie Sutton the keys to banks and it should not give Microsoft Corporation free access to the minds of Americas children. Microsoft has painted itself the champion of choice and freewill while villifying open-source software as being un-American. I think it is time for their actions, public and private, to match their very public words. Software donations should be no part of the proposed settlement. Sincerely Name withheld to protect the guilty Detroit, MI. -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1120716 424636 0 318244 538880 Swap: 401584 0 401584 Total: 1946936 1120716 826220 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 12:35amup 1 day, 1:49, 2 users, load average: 0.13, 0.20, 0.24 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 01:10:02 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA00980 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 01:10:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA00977 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 01:10:01 -0500 Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07265 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 01:10:01 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011210060930.HDVS10647.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:09:30 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] performance of linux vs windows nt/2000 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 01:09:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20011209202854.83116.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> <01120921390900.21428@a.genesis.com> <01120923344700.09119@24285hfc17> In-Reply-To: <01120923344700.09119@24285hfc17> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121001095101.24567@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sunday 09 December 2001 23:34, you wrote: > Ok. 19" screen, 1200x1024 resolution, 16bpp I ran (I believe) a > mesa demo called tunnel(?) Clipped > > What I really meant to get at was that Linux is a little more > efficient with most hardware, but when it comes to things like > video cards, even the companies that make them tend to fudge the > drivers a bit. Clipped > > Just don't make cash decisions based on benchmarks unless you do > them yourself. > > Glen I concur ... completely ... as evidenced by my original post. Clipped > > > > Run your own tests on your own equipment. FPS is a good measure > > of vid card speed ... but did you notice that Glen did not tell > > you the size / resolution of the screen he was running ? A couple > > hundred fps in a 2"/2" window running an 8 color palette at low > > resolution is not especially encouraging. It's only nice if you > > just want to run test patterns. :-) > > > > I don't think Glen did this ... not at all ... but my point is > > that he did not document the exact circumstances at which he got > > a very favorable frame rate. > > By which I intended to point out that any comparison he might make based on your experience would be very subjective unless he could duplicate its circumstances. If he is running identical hardware & software, then a benchmark becomes useful. But if he is running something that differs in even a tiny-seeming detail (8m of video ram instead 16, for instance) someone else's benchmark is nothing more than a vague quideline. People who believe what they read on the outside of software / hardware packages are the lawful prey of the fiction writers the world over. Perhaps I did not explain myself clearly the first time. I hope this post remedies that. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1120752 424600 0 318240 538856 Swap: 401584 0 401584 Total: 1946936 1120752 826184 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 12:21amup 1 day, 1:35, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.29, 0.25 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 06:05:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA01784 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 06:05:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA01781 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 06:05:44 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA08224 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 06:05:40 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt0a2n0b.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.25.11]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBAB5Aa26100 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 06:05:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C149A81.8828F4BB@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 06:20:33 -0500 From: Anita Pesola X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: Microsoft Antitrust ruling - send your opinion References: <20011209143718.0CCBD36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> <3C138C38.7050901@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Very good and impressive letter, Gnorb....let's hope that saner heads at the DOJ will prevail...Of course, I *AM* a pipe-dreamer......LOL Anita Norbert Cartagena wrote: > This is the letter I wrote to microsoft.atr@usdoj.gov . I encourage all > of you to do the same. > > Gnorb > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 09:39:56 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA02595 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:39:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA02592 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:39:56 -0500 Received: from snoopy.tblc.org (snoopy.tblc.lib.fl.us [206.72.132.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09060 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:39:55 -0500 Received: from bernie.tblc.org (bernie.tblc.org [206.72.132.8]) by snoopy.tblc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D6C2002C0 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:43:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] SuSE 7.3 Professional: A Newbie's First Impression From: Ben Ostrowsky To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 10 Dec 2001 09:42:24 -0500 Message-Id: <1007995344.3681.2.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug My girlfriend, who had learned enough to shut down my Red Hat 7.2 machine and reboot it into Windows, recently saw my new installation of SuSE 7.3 Pro. Her comment: "It looks much better. It's like Linux 2000." >From what I've seen so far, I'd have to agree. It's only a shame that it didn't ship with a VMware demo... but that's what a modem's for, I guess. Ben From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 09:55:40 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA02640 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:55:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA02637 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:55:39 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA09118 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:55:39 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ya193438 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:57:13 -0500 Message-ID: <003e01c1818b$14d19000$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <1007995344.3681.2.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 7.3 Professional: A Newbie's First Impression Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:58:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I just did a virgin install of suse's 7.3 distro of linux. I was very impressed, but I still like mandrakes partitioning automatic feature. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Ostrowsky" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: [SLUG] SuSE 7.3 Professional: A Newbie's First Impression > My girlfriend, who had learned enough to shut down my Red Hat 7.2 > machine and reboot it into Windows, recently saw my new installation of > SuSE 7.3 Pro. > > Her comment: "It looks much better. It's like Linux 2000." > > From what I've seen so far, I'd have to agree. It's only a shame that > it didn't ship with a VMware demo... but that's what a modem's for, I > guess. > > Ben From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 10:17:34 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA02709 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:17:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA02706 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:17:34 -0500 Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA09172 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:17:33 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 15:17:00 -0000 Message-ID: <3C1431AE.9090701@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 22:53:18 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 7.3 Professional: A Newbie's First Impression References: <1007995344.3681.2.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ben Ostrowsky wrote: > My girlfriend, who had learned enough to shut down my Red Hat 7.2 > machine and reboot it into Windows, recently saw my new installation of > SuSE 7.3 Pro. > > Her comment: "It looks much better. It's like Linux 2000." > Actually, that would be Storm Linux (They had a version called Storm Linux 2000). And what the heck?! You mean it's STILL not good enough to be with the times? It's almost 2002, after all... (*hint: not to be taken seriously) Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 10:42:25 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA02789 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:42:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA02786 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:42:24 -0500 Received: from snoopy.tblc.org (snoopy.tblc.lib.fl.us [206.72.132.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09255 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:42:24 -0500 Received: from bernie.tblc.org (bernie.tblc.org [206.72.132.8]) by snoopy.tblc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03E12002BE for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:46:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 7.3 Professional: A Newbie's First Impression From: Ben Ostrowsky To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C1431AE.9090701@yahoo.com> References: <1007995344.3681.2.camel@bernie.tblc.org> <3C1431AE.9090701@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 10 Dec 2001 10:44:51 -0500 Message-Id: <1007999091.3681.14.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > And what the heck?! You mean it's STILL not good enough to be with the > times? It's almost 2002, after all... (*hint: not to be taken seriously) Well, I think she meant it as a compliment to compare it to W2K. What can I say, she's been under a lot of stress recently. :) If anyone cares to send positive vibes our way (light candles, sacrifice small animals, whatever you do), please join me in wishing her good luck on Tuesday night's final exam. We're hoping it'll be the first time she ever passes a math class on the first try, and she's been working at least 40 hours a week *just studying*. And hey, maybe next semester I'll be able to get to the Brandon meetings on time... ;) Ben From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 13:09:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA03219 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:09:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA03216 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:09:43 -0500 Received: from out001pub.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.101]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09804 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:09:43 -0500 Received: from desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-022.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.22]) by out001pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id fBAI9uZf018458 Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:09:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <01cf01c181a5$b8a51ca0$6b35fea9@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc - KD4E" To: Subject: [SLUG] Fw: Ellison Hammers M$ vs UNIX & Need Laptop Memory Source ? Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:08:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Don't see the sense in encouraging bad behavior but always happy to read someone else pointing out M$'s flaws and hypocrisy (below). I am still looking for a local source of a used 12 or 16meg memory module for my old IBM ThinkPad 360cse (prefer to buy local and support our FL economy in a small way). Anyone seen such a critter or can suggest a source? So far Internet searches only turn up $79. - $89. new modules ... way too pricey for such an old laptop. Thanks! doc > ORACLE'S BRASH AD CAMPAIGN SEEMS TO BE DOING ITS JOB > Oracle's new "Unbreakable" ad campaign -- challenging hackers > everywhere to try to break into the company's servers -- has increased > by tenfold the number of break-in attempts, which are now in the > range of 30,000 a week, most of them naively hoping to exploit a hole in > Microsoft's Windows NT operating system (which Oracle doesn't use). > Oracle chief executive Larry Ellison boasts: "People are sending attacks to > Oracle.com to try to find the NT bugs, but sadly it's like a fly hitting a wind > screen. The wind screen doesn't budge. Microsoft doesn't even use NT on > their own Web site. They use Unix. It's rather ironic." Microsoft executives > were unavailable for comment. (Reuters/USA Today 10 Dec 2001) > http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2001/12/10/oracle-hackers-challenge. htm From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 14:58:14 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA03533 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:58:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA03530 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:58:14 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10207 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:58:13 -0500 Received: from newcomputer (653266hfc227.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.66.227]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBAJvgO09781 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:57:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000401c181b5$054ed280$02000003@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fw: Ellison Hammers M$ vs UNIX & Need Laptop Memory Source ? Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:58:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug First of all because it is for a older machine they will charge you more.. The other thing is because it is for a older IBM they are going to be hard to find. The other thing again memory prices are going back up. Finding it local will be hard. The only place I can think of is Microstar. He has a store that sells used laptops as well.However for the memory being for a Laptop he is going to be ridiculous on it. He is trying to sell a Pentium 120 laptop for $390.00. He was also selling a 200 pentium laptop for $500.00 so that should give you an ideal of what he would charge. I would check price watch and e-bay. Good Luck Bill Preece P.S. also Try Computer Renaissance -----Original Message----- From: Doc - KD4E To: slug@nks.net Date: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:12 PM Subject: [SLUG] Fw: Ellison Hammers M$ vs UNIX & Need Laptop Memory Source ? >Don't see the sense in encouraging bad behavior but always happy >to read someone else pointing out M$'s flaws and hypocrisy (below). > >I am still looking for a local source of a used 12 or 16meg memory >module for my old IBM ThinkPad 360cse (prefer to buy local and >support our FL economy in a small way). > >Anyone seen such a critter or can suggest a source? So far Internet >searches only turn up $79. - $89. new modules ... way too pricey for >such an old laptop. > >Thanks! doc > >> ORACLE'S BRASH AD CAMPAIGN SEEMS TO BE DOING ITS JOB >> Oracle's new "Unbreakable" ad campaign -- challenging hackers >> everywhere to try to break into the company's servers -- has increased >> by tenfold the number of break-in attempts, which are now in the >> range of 30,000 a week, most of them naively hoping to exploit a hole in >> Microsoft's Windows NT operating system (which Oracle doesn't use). >> Oracle chief executive Larry Ellison boasts: "People are sending attacks >to >> Oracle.com to try to find the NT bugs, but sadly it's like a fly hitting a >wind >> screen. The wind screen doesn't budge. Microsoft doesn't even use NT on >> their own Web site. They use Unix. It's rather ironic." Microsoft >executives >> were unavailable for comment. (Reuters/USA Today 10 Dec 2001) >> >http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2001/12/10/oracle-hackers-challenge . >htm > > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 15:15:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03579 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:15:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA03576 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:15:08 -0500 Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10287 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:15:08 -0500 Received: from user-2ivemgi.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.90.18] helo=roblimo.com) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16DWon-0001dP-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:14:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3C15171D.2050404@roblimo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:12:13 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fw: Ellison Hammers M$ vs UNIX & Need Laptop Memory Source ? References: <000401c181b5$054ed280$02000003@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > He is trying to sell a Pentium 120 laptop for $390.00. > > He was also selling a 200 pentium laptop for $500.00 > so that should give you an ideal of what he would charge. Used laptop prices are generally silly from *all* local resale shops everywhere -- and they get those prices, too. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 16:18:14 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA03751 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:18:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA03748 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:18:14 -0500 Received: from snoopy.tblc.org (snoopy.tblc.lib.fl.us [206.72.132.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10527 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:18:13 -0500 Received: from bernie.tblc.org (bernie.tblc.org [206.72.132.8]) by snoopy.tblc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3334020026C for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:21:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fw: Ellison Hammers M$ vs UNIX & Need Laptop Memory Source ? From: Ben Ostrowsky To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C15171D.2050404@roblimo.com> References: <000401c181b5$054ed280$02000003@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> <3C15171D.2050404@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 10 Dec 2001 16:20:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1008019238.3686.33.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Used laptop prices are generally silly from *all* local resale shops > everywhere -- and they get those prices, too. Hmm. Where's a good place to buy a sub-$200 laptop that will probably have Linux-compatible hardware, then? Ben new to all this laptop hardware business From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 16:19:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA03758 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:19:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA03755 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:19:17 -0500 Received: from ns.tbi.net (ns.tbi.net [209.141.252.3]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10531 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:19:16 -0500 Received: from tbi.net (dsl-149.tbi.net [207.204.243.149]) by ns.tbi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29300 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:18:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C147DF1.5656208B@tbi.net> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 04:18:41 -0500 From: Rusty X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "[SLUG]" Subject: [SLUG] New memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey gang, Check out this new memory. "The equivalent of 400,000 CD's or 60,000 DVD's or 126 years of MPG music may be stored on a polymer memory chip the size of a credit card." http://www.thinfilm.se/index2.htm Rusty From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 18:42:39 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA04151 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:42:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA04148 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:42:38 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10928 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:42:38 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt0a2n0b.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.25.11]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBANg8W14808 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:42:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C154BF3.D0D23DD6@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:57:39 -0500 From: Anita Pesola X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fw: Ellison Hammers M$ vs UNIX & Need Laptop Memory Source ? References: <000401c181b5$054ed280$02000003@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> <3C15171D.2050404@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Isn't that because they *THINK* they have "GOLD" in a used laptop, and people are just too stupid to realize that they don't? :-) Anita "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" wrote: > > He is trying to sell a Pentium 120 laptop for $390.00. > > > > He was also selling a 200 pentium laptop for $500.00 > > so that should give you an ideal of what he would charge. > > Used laptop prices are generally silly from *all* local resale shops > everywhere -- and they get those prices, too. > > - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 18:08:41 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA04052 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:08:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA04049 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:08:41 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10840 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:08:37 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fBAN9eY23601 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:09:40 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:07:12 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:07:06 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] New memory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id SAA04050 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug That's some cool stuff. It could even be used as a harddrive and would be faster than normal Ram. >>> irisinc@tbi.net 12/10/01 04:18AM >>> Hey gang, Check out this new memory. "The equivalent of 400,000 CD's or 60,000 DVD's or 126 years of MPG music may be stored on a polymer memory chip the size of a credit card." http://www.thinfilm.se/index2.htm Rusty From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 18:08:13 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA04046 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:08:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA04043 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:08:12 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10838 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:08:12 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBAN7f323560 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:07:41 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] New memory Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:11:21 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C147DF1.5656208B@tbi.net> In-Reply-To: <3C147DF1.5656208B@tbi.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121018112100.01904@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Oh Joy. The whole site's in flash. Glen On Monday 10 December 2001 04:18, you wrote: > Hey gang, Check out this new memory. > > "The equivalent of 400,000 CD's or 60,000 DVD's or 126 years of MPG > music may be stored on a polymer memory chip the size of a credit card." > > http://www.thinfilm.se/index2.htm > > Rusty From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 19:02:21 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA04218 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:02:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA04215 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:02:20 -0500 Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10974 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:02:20 -0500 Received: from user-2ivemgi.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.90.18] helo=roblimo.com) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16DaMn-0000Yr-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:01:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3C154C69.9000507@roblimo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:59:37 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fw: Ellison Hammers M$ vs UNIX & Need Laptop Memory Source ? References: <000401c181b5$054ed280$02000003@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> <3C15171D.2050404@roblimo.com> <3C154BF3.D0D23DD6@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Anita Pesola wrote: > Isn't that because they *THINK* they have "GOLD" in a used laptop, and > people are just too stupid to realize that they don't? :-) Likely. The supply/demand equation for used laptops is kind of screwy, and has been since I was writing "Cheap Computing" for Andover News and even back when I was writing "This Old PC" for Time Digital back in 1996/1997. The idea of a decent sub-$200 laptop from a dealer is a crack dream. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 19:03:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA04225 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:03:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA04222 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:03:17 -0500 Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10983 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:03:17 -0500 Received: from user-2ivemgi.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.90.18] helo=roblimo.com) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16DaNi-0006RS-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:02:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3C154CA2.7010802@roblimo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:00:34 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Re: References: <000401c181b5$054ed280$02000003@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> <3C15171D.2050404@roblimo.com> <3C154BF3.D0D23DD6@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi, this is the latest virus for Linux users. Here is how it works: 1) log in as root. 2) open file /boot/config in your favorite text editor. 3) delete contents of /boot/config, then type, "this computer has been attacked by the NEFARIOUS LINUX VIRUS." 4) Save and exit file. 5) Mail these instructions to everyone you know who uses Linux and ask them politely to follow all steps, in order. 6) Reboot computer -- and watch it fail to boot! - Robin Miller (I wrote this virus myself! I am now 1337 h4x0r d00d!!!) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 20:13:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA04480 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:13:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA04477 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:13:18 -0500 Received: from wellington.cnchost.com (wellington.concentric.net [207.155.252.14]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11203 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:13:17 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by wellington.cnchost.com id UAA27069; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:12:45 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16Dbb9-0000mZ-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:20:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:20:37 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] KVM switches Message-ID: <20011210202037.C30415@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have an application that could use a KVM switch. I've never used one before, and apparently they come in two flavors: the rotary switch kind (much cheaper) and the other kind, with push-button switches. Now, I used to have a machine running RH6.2 that had a keylock on it. At certain times, when I'd lock the machine with the key, come back and unlock it, Linux would be completely frozen. I'd unlock the machine and neither the keyboard nor the machine would respond to anything. I have some concern that a KVM switch would do the same thing. Anyone have any experience with KVM's and Linux, and whether it matters if it's a rotary dial or push-button switch? Paul From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 20:27:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA04547 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:27:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA04544 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:27:04 -0500 Received: from femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.16]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11239 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:27:03 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011211012633.ZVAN2493.femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:26:33 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KVM switches Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:26:52 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20011210202037.C30415@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20011210202037.C30415@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121020265204.05484@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 10 December 2001 20:20, you wrote: > Now, I used to have a machine running RH6.2 that had a keylock on > it. At certain times, when I'd lock the machine with the key, come > back and unlock it, Linux would be completely frozen. I'd unlock > the machine and neither the keyboard nor the machine would respond > to anything. I have some concern that a KVM switch would do the > same thing. > > Anyone have any experience with KVM's and Linux, and whether it > matters if it's a rotary dial or push-button switch? > > Paul I use a rotary (el-cheapo) kvm and it was trashing the mouse upon my return until I learned to only switch it while I was at a tty ... (ctrl+alt+Fn keys). If I remember to pop over to a tty before switching, I sidestep the problem with the mouse altogether. I use KDE on kernel 2.4.14 in a Mandrake 8.0 install with all software upgraded on a regular basis. Regular ... as in 4 am today. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1459596 85756 0 320800 868412 Swap: 401584 0 401584 Total: 1946936 1459596 487340 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 8:21pm up 1 day, 21:35, 4 users, load average: 0.06, 0.08, 0.09 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 20:53:52 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA04611 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:53:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA04608 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:53:51 -0500 Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11282 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:53:51 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011211015317.MQI19288.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com>; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:53:17 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: LUGWASH , Metro Detroit Linux Users Group , SUNCOAST LUG Subject: [SLUG] Fwd: Re: [seul-edu] [Fwd: Fwd: Public comment] Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:53:36 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121020533605.05484@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I hate to post this ... but I'd better lest my mistake be amplified many times over. Most especially, I want to urge those who posted my original email to their web sites to edit my original material or to at least publish the correct address ahead of the balance of my essay. I got the addresses / issues mixed up on my earlier "public comment" posting. Here is some corrected information for anyone who is thinking about speaking out in their own behalf. I am not so gullible as to think that my piddly little voice is going to change the stream of things, but I do have hopes that a flood of well-reasoned commentary in opposition to these proposed agreements could maybe stem the worst of the damage. Bill PS, for the record, Andrew B. of the Metro Detroit Linux Users Group was the first to comment (politely, I might add) on my error while Phil C. actually provided needed clarification and correct addresses. I am indebted to both. It is a pleasure to work with you. BC ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: [seul-edu] [Fwd: Fwd: Public comment] Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:13:47 -0800 (PST) From: Phil C To: seul-edu@seul.org FAX comments on the school oriented Microsoft private antitrust settlement to Judge Motz at (410) 962-7574. Bill's message is appropriate for the private case settlement, but e-mail addressed to the public case settlement e-mail address. Please note that there are two (2) main antitrust settlements, private and public, pending against Microsoft. 1) About 100 private antitrust suits are consolidated in US Ditrict Court before Judge Motz in Baltimore, fax comments to (410) 962-7574 heading Microsoft Private Settlement. [This is the proposed settlement for the schools, for which Red Hat made a proposal. Comments about money for schools should be faxed to Baltimore. Governments, whether federal or state, are not party to the private case settlement. See recent developments at: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5100487,00.html?chkpt=z dnnh121001 cited in [seul-edu] the microsoft appeasment on the the settlement and 2) The public antitrust suit by the US Deparment of Justice and state attorneys general is in the U.S. District Court in Washington, DC. Send comments on the public settlement to microsoft.atr@usdoj.gov In the subject line of the e-mail, type "Microsoft Settlement". (clipped) -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1460432 84920 0 320800 869048 Swap: 401584 0 401584 Total: 1946936 1460432 486504 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 8:34pm up 1 day, 21:48, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.02 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 20:20:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA04527 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:20:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA04524 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:20:45 -0500 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11224 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:20:45 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2001 01:20:14 -0000 Message-ID: <3C15163C.3080909@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:08:28 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] New memory References: <3C147DF1.5656208B@tbi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Rusty wrote: > Hey gang, Check out this new memory. > > "The equivalent of 400,000 CD's or 60,000 DVD's or 126 years of MPG > music may be stored on a polymer memory chip the size of a credit card." > > http://www.thinfilm.se/index2.htm > > Rusty > > Man, is the RIAA gonna be mad.... However, think how much bigger videogames will get - this is a boon for the Video Card makers!!! Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 21:52:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA04792 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:52:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA04789 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:52:22 -0500 Received: from web13709.mail.yahoo.com (web13709.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.251]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA11391 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:52:21 -0500 Message-ID: <20011211025142.86070.qmail@web13709.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.62.208.213] by web13709.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:51:42 PST Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:51:42 -0800 (PST) From: DaLe aTchiSon Subject: Re: [SLUG] KVM switches To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20011210202037.C30415@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Paul, I have exactly "zero" experience with Linux and KVM's, burt I've used them extensively in DOS and Windows. The pushbutton kind will last longer, because the switch contacts self-wipe with each activation. (The inner contacts on the rotary kind also self-wipe, thought not as effectively, and the two extreme positions of the switch, being at the end of the travel, don't wipe at all.) Like I said, I don't know from nothin' 'bout Linux and KVM's, but the problem you described sounded a lot like what you get if you tell your CMOS setup program there's a keyboard installed. Try telling it "Not Installed", and see if it don't stay awake longer... DaLe --- Paul M Foster wrote: > I have an application that could use a KVM switch. I've never used > one > before, and apparently they come in two flavors: the rotary switch > kind > (much cheaper) and the other kind, with push-button switches. > > Now, I used to have a machine running RH6.2 that had a keylock on it. > At > certain times, when I'd lock the machine with the key, come back and > unlock it, Linux would be completely frozen. I'd unlock the machine > and > neither the keyboard nor the machine would respond to anything. I > have > some concern that a KVM switch would do the same thing. > > Anyone have any experience with KVM's and Linux, and whether it > matters > if it's a rotary dial or push-button switch? > > Paul > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 21:25:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA04719 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:25:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA04716 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:25:57 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11362 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:25:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBB2POo05511 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:25:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:25:24 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: Slug List Subject: Re: [SLUG] KVM switches In-Reply-To: <01121020265204.05484@a.genesis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Bill wrote: > On Monday 10 December 2001 20:20, you wrote: > > Anyone have any experience with KVM's and Linux, and whether it > > matters if it's a rotary dial or push-button switch? > I use a rotary (el-cheapo) kvm and it was trashing the mouse upon my > return until I learned to only switch it while I was at a tty ... hmmm ... I have the electronic from LinkSys -- $54 at Buy.com, WITH cables, when I bought it. Remember to quote apples to apples when you shop -- it seems to be cheaper to buy a set with the proper cables ... I solve the mouse issue by not using the mouse part -- I have two mice (30button illuminated for Linux, two button MS House shaped for Win'95), and switch by touch without taking my eyes off the screen I tap-tap Ctrl, and it switches; the 4 port ones, you tap-tap Ctrl then {A|B|C|D} ... and it switches... And this is a real benefit -- I had the mechanical rotary type, and it was much more disruptive. Electronic holds keyboard detection through reboots, too. -- Russ Herrold From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 22:21:34 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA04886 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:21:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA04883 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:21:33 -0500 Received: from cyberduct.paknam.ac.th (dialup155.net37.samart.co.th [203.149.37.155]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11447 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:21:31 -0500 Received: from there (palo.paknam.ac.th [192.168.168.1]) by cyberduct.paknam.ac.th (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA30400 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:20:41 +0700 Message-Id: <200112110320.KAA30400@cyberduct.paknam.ac.th> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Neil Kittipalo Organization: Wat Paknam Bhasicharoen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KVM switches Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:20:41 +0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I've been using a four-to-one switch made in Taiwan called Aten. Pretty good. Newer models look much nicer but I don't no of other differences. I have very occasionally lost my mouse. Once or twice I found it rather stubborn and even switching the Aten on and off did not help. Then unplugging the DC psu and sticking it back in again did the trick. Sometimes if the keyboard was okay switching to a console and back did the trick. I emphasize that the problem not common - maybe once every couple of months maybe? Neil -- 9:17am up 323 days, 14:37, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.03, 0.01 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 21:56:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA04810 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:56:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA04807 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:56:07 -0500 Received: from web13704.mail.yahoo.com (web13704.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.137]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA11398 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:56:06 -0500 Message-ID: <20011211025536.95989.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.62.208.213] by web13704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:55:36 PST Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 18:55:36 -0800 (PST) From: DaLe aTchiSon Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fw: Ellison Hammers M$ vs UNIX & Need Laptop Memory Source ? To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <01cf01c181a5$b8a51ca0$6b35fea9@vz.dsl.genuity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Doc, Didja look at www.computersurplusoutlet.com ? I was checking out memory modules for my Dell and they were only $20 ('course I don't even have $20, so I passed for now). DaLe --- Doc - KD4E wrote: > Don't see the sense in encouraging bad behavior but always happy > to read someone else pointing out M$'s flaws and hypocrisy (below). > > I am still looking for a local source of a used 12 or 16meg memory > module for my old IBM ThinkPad 360cse (prefer to buy local and > support our FL economy in a small way). > > Anyone seen such a critter or can suggest a source? So far Internet > searches only turn up $79. - $89. new modules ... way too pricey for > such an old laptop. > > Thanks! doc > > > ORACLE'S BRASH AD CAMPAIGN SEEMS TO BE DOING ITS JOB > > Oracle's new "Unbreakable" ad campaign -- challenging hackers > > everywhere to try to break into the company's servers -- has > increased > > by tenfold the number of break-in attempts, which are now in the > > range of 30,000 a week, most of them naively hoping to exploit a > hole in > > Microsoft's Windows NT operating system (which Oracle doesn't use). > > Oracle chief executive Larry Ellison boasts: "People are sending > attacks > to > > Oracle.com to try to find the NT bugs, but sadly it's like a fly > hitting a > wind > > screen. The wind screen doesn't budge. Microsoft doesn't even use > NT on > > their own Web site. They use Unix. It's rather ironic." Microsoft > executives > > were unavailable for comment. (Reuters/USA Today 10 Dec 2001) > > > http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2001/12/10/oracle-hackers-challenge. > htm > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 23:31:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA05110 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:31:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA05107 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:31:44 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11622 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:31:43 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBB4VDO03935 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:31:13 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:30:53 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] KVM switches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I had a rotary kind. I never had problems with the mouse though; just during boot up with the keyboard. I would invest in a KVM to respond to keyboard sequences rather than rotary switches. Also, it's true the cables certainly add up if you're not careful. I think all of mine cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $60 for four ports. Now, I don't use them. I think my next one may be a Raritan, Cybex, or Lightwave. I see their ads in the Processor rag every month, and they look pretty good. I called Cybex last year, and they told me all of theirs are made in the USA. I never buy crucial hardware made in China or Taiwan--the quality and reliability simply isn't there. If you can afford it, see what sysadmins use in production. You'll find some of the bigger pricey brand names. I know some units from the three makers above can haul everything (even sound) over a proprietary protocol over CAT5 up to 1000 feet. Not to sound or be confused with X. Mario >On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Bill wrote: > >> On Monday 10 December 2001 20:20, you wrote: >> > Anyone have any experience with KVM's and Linux, and whether it >> > matters if it's a rotary dial or push-button switch? > >> I use a rotary (el-cheapo) kvm and it was trashing the mouse upon my >> return until I learned to only switch it while I was at a tty ... > >hmmm ... I have the electronic from LinkSys -- $54 at Buy.com, >WITH cables, when I bought it. Remember to quote apples to >apples when you shop -- it seems to be cheaper to buy a set >with the proper cables ... > >I solve the mouse issue by not using the mouse part -- I have >two mice (30button illuminated for Linux, two button MS >House shaped for Win'95), and switch by touch without taking >my eyes off the screen > >I tap-tap Ctrl, and it switches; the 4 port ones, you tap-tap >Ctrl then {A|B|C|D} ... and it switches... > >And this is a real benefit -- I had the mechanical rotary >type, and it was much more disruptive. Electronic holds >keyboard detection through reboots, too. > >-- Russ Herrold -- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 22:54:23 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA04976 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:54:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA04973 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:54:23 -0500 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11518 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:54:22 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2001 03:53:45 -0000 Message-ID: <3C1539DA.7040609@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:40:26 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: Microsoft Antitrust ruling - send your opinion References: <20011209143718.0CCBD36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> <3C138C38.7050901@yahoo.com> <3C149A81.8828F4BB@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Anita Pesola wrote: > Very good and impressive letter, Gnorb....let's hope that saner heads at the > DOJ will prevail...Of course, I *AM* a pipe-dreamer......LOL > Thanks. I thought it was kinda sloppy, but it was one of those "in the heat of the moment" kinda deals. Again, thanks. Gnorb > Anita > > > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > >>This is the letter I wrote to microsoft.atr@usdoj.gov . I encourage all >>of you to do the same. >> >>Gnorb >> >> > > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 10 22:26:02 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA04900 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:26:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA04897 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:26:01 -0500 Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11462 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:26:01 -0500 Received: from sdn-ar-004fltampp211.dialsprint.net ([158.252.76.155] helo=noname.nodomain.nowhere) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16DdXe-00024A-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:25:15 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Tim Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Fwd: Microsoft Judgement Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:54:07 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121014524509.01107@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug My two cents' worth to the Department of Justice. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Microsoft Judgement Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:49:13 -0500 From: Tim Wright To: microsoft.atr@usdoj.gov Any settlement with Microsoft must include remedies to correct Microsoft's abuse of its monopoly position as well as sanctions to prevent future violations of antitrust law. End users suffer injury from the existing monopoly because of Microsoft's effort to exclude competition of any kind in the software business. Competition is essential in any non-regulated business to provide the best quality products at the lowest prices to the end user. Microsoft's current position in software is not that much different than the position Standard Oil Company held at the turn of the 20th century. Any settlement with Microsoft must include measures to allow competition in the software business. These measures should include allowing computer manufacturers and distributors to load other operating systems alongside MS-Windows to provide the end user with a choice. Current licensing restrictions from Microsoft prohibit this, and for anticompetitive reasons, these and similar restrictions must be struck down as unlawful. Microsoft's offer to give away their software products to schools will actually spread the same monopoly that brought about legal action in the first case. A more appropriate action would be Microsoft providing the funding for schools to buy software of their choice. Microsoft already has a monopoly position in business application software, and allowing it to build a monopoly in the educational market will do great harm in a sector already strapped for funding. If the Court does not break up Microsoft in the same fashion that Standard Oil and AT&T-Bell System were broken up, then other measures must be taken to allow competition back into this marketplace. The end user has been robbed of his freedom of choice, and the Court must restore freedom of choice to the software market, especially in light of the fact that the Court has established that Microsoft operates as a monopoly, and it has operated unlawfully to maintain its monopoly position. This monopoly must either be broken up like the Standard Oil and Bell System monopolies, or regulated in the same fashion as a public utility. History has shown that the public benefited highly from breaking up monopolistic firms. The telecommunications boom would not have occurred under the old Bell System, and the energy market would be very different had Standard Oil been left intact. Evidence exists to show that significant innovation in software products has been stifled and suppressed by Microsoft. There is currently no indication that this will stop, and for that reason, Microsoft should be split into two or three companies: an operating system company, an applications software company, and an Internet software company. Collecting fines and compulsory donations to schools and charities has no deterrent effect against Microsoft continuing to violate the law and abuse its monopoly position. Regards, William T. Wright ------------------------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 00:50:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA05333 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:50:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA05328 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:50:11 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11837; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:50:11 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc252.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.252]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBB5ne329342; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:49:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C159EAD.5040603@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:50:37 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "[SLUG]" , "[SLUG]Slug Announce" CC: "[SLUG]linux-announce@news.ornl.gov" Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meeting Announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug WHEN AND WHERE: 12 December 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd Lakepointe I Building Tampa, FL 33607 See the SLUG website (www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) for directions. !! Special meeting time this month only!! 18 December 19:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of this month) Certification, Inc. 2033 Wood Street Suite 220 Sarasota, FL 34237 See the SLUG website (www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) for directions. 20 December 19:00-21:00 Brandon II (third Thursday of each month) 217 Brandon Town Center Drive Brandon, FL Across the street from Barnes & Noble, next to Target and Honey Baked Hams. See the SLUG website w.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) for directions. 22 December 09:30-12:00 Dunedin (fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library, 223 Douglas Ave., Community Room A. Dunedin 3 January 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL Take I-4 East to I-75 South. Go south on 75 to the second exit (Hwy 60, Exit 53). Head left (east) under the overpass, and make sure you're in the right lane. When you go to the entrance for Brandon Town Center, you'll see Barnes & Noble on your immediate right. 5 January 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentations: to be announced 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) FOLLOWING MEETINGS: 9 January 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) 17 January 19:00-21:00 Brandon II (third Thursday of each month) 22 January 19:00-21:00 Sarasota (fourth Tuesday of each month) 26 January 09:30-12:00 Dunedin (fourth Saturday of each month) 2 February 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) 7 February 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 01:30:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA05454 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:30:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA05451 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:30:48 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11942 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:30:48 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBB6UHO01479 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:30:17 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1008019238.3686.33.camel@bernie.tblc.org> References: <000401c181b5$054ed280$02000003@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> <3C15171D.2050404@roblimo.com> <1008019238.3686.33.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:24:27 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fw: Ellison Hammers M$ vs UNIX & Need Laptop Memory Source ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I went to the computer show in November http://www.marketplaceshows.com (next one in January) and got two Toshiba Satellite Pro T2400CS for $75. They're 80486, but they've got SCSI-II and dual PCMCIA ports type III and II built in. I want to make a portable CD tower burner/ripper. I figure when I get it finished, I can bring it to the meetings, so people can convert their CDs to MP3 and burn their favorite distros too (as if we don't get enough distro donations). I'll try to dig out the receipt. If you're interested in getting their number, email me offline. I think they're in Orlando. Mario > > Used laptop prices are generally silly from *all* local resale shops >> everywhere -- and they get those prices, too. > >Hmm. Where's a good place to buy a sub-$200 laptop that will probably >have Linux-compatible hardware, then? > >Ben >new to all this laptop hardware business -- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 09:34:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA06974 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:34:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA06971 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:34:01 -0500 Received: from wizard.firn.edu (wizard.firn.edu [150.176.12.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13539 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:33:57 -0500 Received: from ch1 ([168.254.225.136]) by WIZARD.FIRN.EDU (PMDF V5.2-33 #33499) with SMTP id <01KBQJW08XJ000331T@WIZARD.FIRN.EDU> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:35:44 EDT Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:34:06 -0500 From: H Sutter Subject: RE: [SLUG] KVM switches In-reply-to: <20011210202037.C30415@quillandmouse.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Don't buy the mechanical switches, haven't found any that at best weren't a POS. The KVM's that have been working for me are sold by Belkin and called OmniView's. They will work with Linux, M$, Mac, Sun etc..... They make them in a few flavors big things to look out for are 1. Make sure it supports ps2 mice and serial mice at the same time. 2. Find out what is the max video freq/res the KVM switch will allow. 3. If your gaming at hi-rez buy the Gold series cables. (std cables work just fine on the server farm) or you will get ghosting images. I use the OmniView Pro at home and OmniView SE's at work on the servers. Tony Henry A. Sutter Hillsborough County Schools Title 1 901 E. Kennedy Blvd. Tampa, Florida, 33602 Ph# 813.272.4613 Fx# 813.272.4434 sutter_h@popmail.firn.edu "You expect me to build a mnemonic memory device with ..stone knives and bearskins" SPOCK Join the Electronic Frontier Foundation http://www.eff.org/ -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Paul M Foster Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:21 PM To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] KVM switches I have an application that could use a KVM switch. I've never used one before, and apparently they come in two flavors: the rotary switch kind (much cheaper) and the other kind, with push-button switches. Now, I used to have a machine running RH6.2 that had a keylock on it. At certain times, when I'd lock the machine with the key, come back and unlock it, Linux would be completely frozen. I'd unlock the machine and neither the keyboard nor the machine would respond to anything. I have some concern that a KVM switch would do the same thing. Anyone have any experience with KVM's and Linux, and whether it matters if it's a rotary dial or push-button switch? Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 09:12:38 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA06922 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:12:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA06919 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:12:38 -0500 Received: from ns.tbi.net (ns.tbi.net [209.141.252.3]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13486 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:12:37 -0500 Received: from tbi.net (dsl-149.tbi.net [207.204.243.149]) by ns.tbi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10564 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:12:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C156B73.8A918E03@tbi.net> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:12:03 -0500 From: Rusty X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fw: Ellison Hammers M$ vs UNIX & Need Laptop Memory Source ? References: <20011211025536.95989.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I had never heard of this computersurplusoutlet before so I went to the sight. What a rip-off. These guys are selling hard drives at prices higher that you can buy them on www.pricewatch.com, neverless ebay. Rusty DaLe aTchiSon wrote: > > Doc, > > Didja look at www.computersurplusoutlet.com ? I was checking out > memory modules for my Dell and they were only $20 ('course I don't even > have $20, so I passed for now). > > DaLe > > --- Doc - KD4E wrote: > > Don't see the sense in encouraging bad behavior but always happy > > to read someone else pointing out M$'s flaws and hypocrisy (below). > > > > I am still looking for a local source of a used 12 or 16meg memory > > module for my old IBM ThinkPad 360cse (prefer to buy local and > > support our FL economy in a small way). > > > > Anyone seen such a critter or can suggest a source? So far Internet > > searches only turn up $79. - $89. new modules ... way too pricey for > > such an old laptop. > > > > Thanks! doc > > > > > ORACLE'S BRASH AD CAMPAIGN SEEMS TO BE DOING ITS JOB > > > Oracle's new "Unbreakable" ad campaign -- challenging hackers > > > everywhere to try to break into the company's servers -- has > > increased > > > by tenfold the number of break-in attempts, which are now in the > > > range of 30,000 a week, most of them naively hoping to exploit a > > hole in > > > Microsoft's Windows NT operating system (which Oracle doesn't use). > > > Oracle chief executive Larry Ellison boasts: "People are sending > > attacks > > to > > > Oracle.com to try to find the NT bugs, but sadly it's like a fly > > hitting a > > wind > > > screen. The wind screen doesn't budge. Microsoft doesn't even use > > NT on > > > their own Web site. They use Unix. It's rather ironic." Microsoft > > executives > > > were unavailable for comment. (Reuters/USA Today 10 Dec 2001) > > > > > > http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2001/12/10/oracle-hackers-challenge. > > htm > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 10:15:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA07079 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:15:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07076 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:15:12 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13625 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:15:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBBFEdo05816 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:14:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:14:39 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] KVM switches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, H Sutter wrote: > The KVM's that have been working for me are sold by Belkin and called > OmniView's. They will work with Linux, M$, Mac, Sun etc..... They make them Thanks for the reminder -- at an office I admin for, they use Cybex Switchviews -- a very nice electronic KVM -- bought thru TechData; The Belkin's are nice, too. -- Russ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 11:08:28 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA07217 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:08:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA07214 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:08:27 -0500 Received: from pandora.nks.net (pandora.nks.net [216.139.201.9]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13817 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:08:27 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f45.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.45]) by pandora.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30952 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:46:47 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:24:42 -0800 Received: from 198.51.174.14 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:24:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.51.174.14] From: "Steven Johnson" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KVM switches Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:24:39 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2001 15:24:42.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4A95BF0:01C18257] Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ----Original Message Follows---- >I have an application that could use a KVM switch. I've never used one >before, and apparently they come in two flavors: the rotary switch kind >(much cheaper) and the other kind, with push-button switches. Believe it or not, they come in more than two distinct flavors. As someone already hinted, you can transmit KVM signals over greater distances with Cat5e cable :) Cybex sells a KVM over IP device that is not PcAnywhere. I have worked with about a dozen different KVM devices. I have owned three KVM devices. My first KVM was a rotary dial. I was so thoroughly disgusted with that I threw it out after a few months. I was even too ashamed to give it to Goodwill. The video quality will never be as good as an electronic and it is abysmally lacking in features that even the most basic electronic KVM has. I still feel dirty that my house and home was fouled by the presence of a rotary KVM. In case my meaning was lost in the subtlety: DON'T EVER BUY A ROTARY KVM. Electronic KVMs are so affordable now that it does not make much sense to buy a rotary. Remember that your vision is one of your most important senses. Saving $20 is not worth the eye strain. I then upgraded to a low end Rose Electronics KVM. Great little device with KVM resets of mouse and keyboard, which is a feature that you may want given your particular issue. It suffered a horrible death involving lightning. The Rose KVM begat the Cybex. I cannot say enough good things about the Cybex. It is made in America. It does not require a power supply unit but does support the option. Software resets of mouse and keyboard are a big plus. The quality of cables is superior to EVERY OTHER BRAND of cables that I have used. Believe it or not, cable quality will affect your display probably more so than the KVM itself. If you are going to get a cheaper KVM I strongly encourage you to buy superior Cybex KVM cables with it. Your eyes will thank you for it. Be sure to get the single molded cable to save cable clutter. Some other things to look for: 1. USB support can vary. Some offer PS/2 to USB Adapters for mouse and keyboard; Some offer USB support only; Some even allow you to plug your USB scanner and share it across multiple computers. 2. speaker support. Plug in one set of speakers to share across four systems. OmniView offers at least one model. 3. Cable management. As stated before, buy the single molded Cybex Cable. One solid cable is better than three flimsy cables. 4. Check out the maximum video resolution. This can vary widely between brands. 5. Some do not include the costs of cables, some do. Compare apples to apples. 6. Get the four port switch instead of the two port if you can afford it. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 11:39:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA07318 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:39:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA07315 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:39:20 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13934 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:39:19 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25761 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:38:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] New memory From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C147DF1.5656208B@tbi.net> References: <3C147DF1.5656208B@tbi.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 11 Dec 2001 11:38:49 -0500 Message-Id: <1008088729.611.17.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 2001-12-10 at 04:18, Rusty wrote: > Hey gang, Check out this new memory. > > "The equivalent of 400,000 CD's or 60,000 DVD's or 126 years of MPG > music may be stored on a polymer memory chip the size of a credit card." > > http://www.thinfilm.se/index2.htm All I get from that page is a window that comes up trying to get me to download a flash plugin... I don't like Flash. I effing HATE people who write webpages using _only_ Flash. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 11:58:38 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA07368 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:58:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA07365 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:58:37 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14001 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:58:37 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25888 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:58:07 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] List-Id mail header From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 11 Dec 2001 11:58:07 -0500 Message-Id: <1008089887.649.20.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Any chance of getting the 'List-Id' mail header turned on on this list? I've been using Evolution lately as my email client and it allows for building filters based on the 'List-Id' header to identify the mailing list. I'd like to use that for this list. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 12:59:39 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA07526 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:59:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA07523 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:59:39 -0500 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14192 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:59:39 -0500 Received: from user-2iverbe.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.109.110] helo=roblimo.com) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16DrBM-0000CB-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:59:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3C1648E4.3050903@roblimo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:56:52 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] New memory References: <3C147DF1.5656208B@tbi.net> <1008088729.611.17.camel@two> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > All I get from that page is a window that comes up trying to get me to > download a flash plugin... > > I don't like Flash. I effing HATE people who write webpages using > _only_ Flash. Get used to it. I remember complaining about pages that couldn't be navigated without displaying images. I was happy running linx and pine through a shell account on my 286 with a monochrome monitor in DOS over a 2400 baud connection. You think I tried that Windows thing, then went through all this sweat over Linux by choice? I was happy with DOS, and was okay with CP/M before it. So now it's Flash. Next it'll be something else. And someone will complain about every change. Might even be me now and then. :) - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 14:04:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA07681 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:04:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA07678 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:04:04 -0500 Received: from web13702.mail.yahoo.com (web13702.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.135]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA14362 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:04:04 -0500 Message-ID: <20011211190333.63391.qmail@web13702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.94.156.67] by web13702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:03:33 PST Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:03:33 -0800 (PST) From: DaLe aTchiSon Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fw: Ellison Hammers M$ vs UNIX & Need Laptop Memory Source ? To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20011211025536.95989.qmail@web13704.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Doc, Sorry I fogot about Consignment Computers on East Bay when I responded to your original posting. The have all thingslaptop, and some fairly reasonable prices. DaLe > > I am still looking for a local source of a used 12 or 16meg memory > > module for my old IBM ThinkPad 360cse (prefer to buy local and > > support our FL economy in a small way). > > > > Anyone seen such a critter or can suggest a source? So far > Internet > > searches only turn up $79. - $89. new modules ... way too pricey > for > > such an old laptop. > > > > Thanks! doc > > > > > ORACLE'S BRASH AD CAMPAIGN SEEMS TO BE DOING ITS JOB > > > Oracle's new "Unbreakable" ad campaign -- challenging hackers > > > everywhere to try to break into the company's servers -- has > > increased > > > by tenfold the number of break-in attempts, which are now in the > > > range of 30,000 a week, most of them naively hoping to exploit a > > hole in > > > Microsoft's Windows NT operating system (which Oracle doesn't > use). > > > Oracle chief executive Larry Ellison boasts: "People are sending > > attacks > > to > > > Oracle.com to try to find the NT bugs, but sadly it's like a fly > > hitting a > > wind > > > screen. The wind screen doesn't budge. Microsoft doesn't even use > > NT on > > > their own Web site. They use Unix. It's rather ironic." Microsoft > > executives > > > were unavailable for comment. (Reuters/USA Today 10 Dec 2001) > > > > > > http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2001/12/10/oracle-hackers-challenge. > > htm > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 16:37:27 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA08053 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:37:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA08050 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:37:26 -0500 Received: from web20405.mail.yahoo.com (web20405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.124]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA14967 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:37:26 -0500 Message-ID: <20011211213655.25229.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [131.247.166.78] by web20405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:36:55 PST Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:36:55 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Keyes To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I am running blackbox on a dual-headed display. I don't like how xinerama works, so I use the option to have 2 "separate" desktops (one for each display). When I startx, bbkeys runs on the first display because I have bbkeys & in ~/.xinitrc But on the second display, bbkeys won't pick up my keyboard commands because of the above "separate desktops" option (which I guess means I am running two blackboxs and even 2 separate x sessions--although I am not sure because I simply chose the option in SuSE's "sax2" X configuration program, which doesn't let me in on its inner workings [see, another problem with GUI front-ends!]). So I have to run another bbkeys on that second desktop/display/head. My question: How do I get bbkeys to start automatically on the _second_ display/desktop (as I have done with the first via ~/.xinitrc)? Thank you very much for your time! ===== ________________ Justin Keyes m9u35@yahoo.com ________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 18:25:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA08316 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:25:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA08313 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:25:07 -0500 Received: from ajax.cnchost.com (ajax.cnchost.com [207.155.248.31]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15291 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:25:06 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by ajax.cnchost.com id SAA00334; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:24:34 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16DwOF-0002Pg-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:32:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:32:42 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] New memory Message-ID: <20011211183242.A9237@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <3C147DF1.5656208B@tbi.net> <1008088729.611.17.camel@two> <3C1648E4.3050903@roblimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C1648E4.3050903@roblimo.com>; from robin@roblimo.com on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 12:56:52PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 12:56:52PM -0500, Robin (Roblimo) Miller wrote: > > > All I get from that page is a window that comes up trying to get me to > > download a flash plugin... > > > > I don't like Flash. I effing HATE people who write webpages using > > _only_ Flash. > > > Get used to it. I remember complaining about pages that couldn't be > navigated without displaying images. I was happy running linx and pine > through a shell account on my 286 with a monochrome monitor in DOS over > a 2400 baud connection. > > You think I tried that Windows thing, then went through all this sweat > over Linux by choice? I was happy with DOS, and was okay with CP/M > before it. > > So now it's Flash. Next it'll be something else. And someone will > complain about every change. Might even be me now and then. :) Flash won't take over the world by any stretch. The HTML Writers Guild list is divided on the issue. I agree with you, though, Rob. I used to program in BASIC on a teletype hooked via an acoustic modem to a mainframe across the street before the CP/M days. I was a batch file wizard in DOS before Windows came along. I never liked Windows and I'm not a fan of X. Unfortunately, it's much easier to pick the information you want off of a web page via a graphical browser than Lynx. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 19:21:51 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA08466 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:21:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA08463 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:21:50 -0500 Received: from femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.32]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15507 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:21:50 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011212002114.JZZQ16381.femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:21:14 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: SUNCOAST LUG Subject: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:21:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121119213006.28595@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi all ... in another moment of insanity I have decided to try my hand at putting up a smallish web server. I have a p-200 with 192 m ram and about 12 g of HD with a fairly fast cable modem hooked to it. Primarily I want to run http serving dynamic pages via PHP. Firewalling is provided by my router. I want SSH / VNC available so I can manage the machine in a headless state remotely / securely (more or less). I have a cable modem connection so I have to keep my traffic load down. What I am looking for are software / partitioning recommendations ... especially from those who may have set up similar systems. The principle function of this server is to train me ... the secondary function will be to serve up mildly interesting pages to the dull and boring urban organic gardeners such as myself while meeting the design requirements of an html class requiring HTML, DHTML, CSS and some XML Let me know your thoughts, if you would. I am especially foggy about how much (little) I need to install to have remote X capabilities. Or if I even need X on the server box at all. The little voices in my head tell me I don't. I will not be creating the pages on this machine but will ftp them from my main box just as I would to a commercially hosted account. TIA, Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1513520 31832 0 152824 1079624 Swap: 401584 1532 400052 Total: 1946936 1515052 431884 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 7:17pm up 2 days, 20:31, 4 users, load average: 0.54, 0.38, 0.38 From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 20:08:37 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA08597 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:08:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA08594 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:08:36 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15646 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:08:36 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBC185W13073 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:08:05 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Re: dual head Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:11:49 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20011211213655.25229.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20011211213655.25229.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121120114902.01338@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Something to do with the $DISPLAY env variable? It sounds like it is picking up 0:0. Can you pass another to a second bbkeys &? Glen On Tuesday 11 December 2001 16:36, you wrote: > I am running blackbox on a dual-headed display. I don't like how > xinerama works, so I use the option to have 2 "separate" desktops (one > for each display). When I startx, bbkeys runs on the first display > because I have > bbkeys & > in ~/.xinitrc > But on the second display, bbkeys won't pick up my keyboard commands > because of the above "separate desktops" option (which I guess means I > am > running two blackboxs and even 2 separate x sessions--although I am not > sure because I simply chose the option in SuSE's "sax2" X configuration > program, which doesn't let me in on its inner workings [see, another > problem with GUI > front-ends!]). So I have to run another bbkeys on that second > desktop/display/head. > My question: > How do I get bbkeys to start automatically on the _second_ > display/desktop (as > I have done with the first via ~/.xinitrc)? Thank you very much for your > time! > > ===== > ________________ > > Justin Keyes > m9u35@yahoo.com > ________________ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 19:44:26 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA08519 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:44:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA08516 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:44:25 -0500 Received: from femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.20]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15569 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:44:25 -0500 Received: from Maria.local ([67.162.169.156]) by femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011212004354.JNFT26611.femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Maria.local> for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:43:54 -0800 Subject: [SLUG] 100k files in one directory From: Logan To: SLUG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 11 Dec 2001 19:46:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1008117965.20026.0.camel@Maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Various folks in my office dumped just shy of 100K files to a linux file server I made for back ups. But, they dumped them all into one directory. There are so many files there that ls times out. I think the cure would be to recompile a kernel, editing /usr/src/linux/include/linux/fs.h to change the NR_FILE variable from 8192 to 8192*10 or even 8192*100. I think this would allow things like ls and rm to work. Or am I barking up the wrong tree? Has anyone else had any experience like this? I know I can also cure it by making more subdirectories and force them to put there files in the subdirectories. But chiding from the Windoze users stirs me to try to let them leave their crap all in one big heap. Logan -- 7:30pm up 5 days, 12:13, 2 users, load average: 0.25, 0.21, 0.48 "What's the use of a good quotation if you can't change it?" -- The Doctor From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 20:05:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA08584 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:05:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA08581 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:05:42 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15636 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:05:41 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBC15BZ07736 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:05:11 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Flash (was Re: [SLUG] New memory) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:08:55 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C147DF1.5656208B@tbi.net> <3C1648E4.3050903@roblimo.com> <20011211183242.A9237@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20011211183242.A9237@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121120085501.01338@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I agree. However, if anyone remembers my dead laptop display from the 10 year picnic, it works under X very well. Very well. Extremely few screen artifacts, reasonable performance. The display is totally unusable at the console and windows wasn't much better. I'll accept a readable xterm in lieu of a nasty console any day. Maybe X is making better use of the memory than windows was? Glen > I agree with you, though, Rob. I used to program in BASIC on a teletype > hooked via an acoustic modem to a mainframe across the street before the > CP/M days. I was a batch file wizard in DOS before Windows came along. > I never liked Windows and I'm not a fan of X. Unfortunately, it's much > easier to pick the information you want off of a web page via a > graphical browser than Lynx. > > Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 20:39:53 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA08702 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:39:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA08699 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:39:52 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA15728 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:39:52 -0500 Received: (qmail 8716 invoked by uid 508); 12 Dec 2001 01:26:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (24.164.21.236) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 01:26:34 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.25] (helo=adonix ident=divert) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16Dy0y-0002MK-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:16:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:26:39 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-X-Sender: To: SUNCOAST LUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help In-Reply-To: <01121119213006.28595@a.genesis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Bill wrote: > Hi all ... in another moment of insanity I have decided to try my > hand at putting up a smallish web server. I have a p-200 with 192 m > ram and about 12 g of HD with a fairly fast cable modem hooked to it. > > Primarily I want to run http serving dynamic pages via PHP. > Firewalling is provided by my router. I want SSH / VNC available so I > can manage the machine in a headless state remotely / securely (more > or less). I have a cable modem connection so I have to keep my > traffic load down. > > Let me know your thoughts, if you would. I am especially foggy about > how much (little) I need to install to have remote X capabilities. Or > if I even need X on the server box at all. The little voices in my > head tell me I don't. > my recommendation would be to not bother with X .. you should be able to do any maintenance you need through ssh.. and ftp or scp your files over.. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 20:47:40 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA08734 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:47:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA08731 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:47:40 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA15741 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:47:40 -0500 Received: (qmail 12736 invoked by uid 508); 12 Dec 2001 01:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (24.164.21.236) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 01:47:06 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.25] (helo=adonix ident=divert) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16DyKq-0002Mp-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:37:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:47:11 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-X-Sender: To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] 100k files in one directory In-Reply-To: <1008117965.20026.0.camel@Maria> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug you might not have to recompile.. I'm not sure.. but I think you can do something like cat 100000 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max maybe.. =) On 11 Dec 2001, Logan wrote: > Various folks in my office dumped just shy of 100K files to a linux > file server I made for back ups. But, they dumped them all into one > directory. There are so many files there that ls times out. > I think the cure would be to recompile a kernel, editing > /usr/src/linux/include/linux/fs.h to change the NR_FILE variable from > 8192 to 8192*10 or even 8192*100. I think this would allow things like > ls and rm to work. Or am I barking up the wrong tree? > Has anyone else had any experience like this? I know I can also cure > it by making more subdirectories and force them to put there files in > the subdirectories. But chiding from the Windoze users stirs me to try > to let them leave their crap all in one big heap. > > Logan > -- "Without documentation you can never know what the code was meant to do, only what it does" -- Rik van Riel (#kernelnewbies) From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 21:37:51 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA08957 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:37:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA08954 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:37:50 -0500 Received: from web12507.mail.yahoo.com (web12507.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.199]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA15912 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:37:50 -0500 Message-ID: <20011212023719.86712.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.35.252.12] by web12507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:37:19 PST Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:37:19 -0800 (PST) From: ter swartz Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug http://www.no-ip.com/ Since you are using a cable modem...most likely uses a dynamic ip (from cable ISP DHCP server). Mine has a 2 hour lease...and they change the scope about every 2 weeks. When you feel that your WWW server is ready for the web, check out this web site. Course, server you will be looking at will be Apache, on a Linux box. Pete. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 21:46:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA08987 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:46:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA08984 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:46:57 -0500 Received: from bish.net (unknown.Level3.net [64.156.114.22] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15929 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:46:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bish.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA08414 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:38:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:38:14 -0500 (EST) From: Mark To: SUNCOAST LUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help In-Reply-To: <01121119213006.28595@a.genesis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Just something to note: Some cable providers are now blocking ports due to the rash of virii out there. Check to make sure that your's isn't one of them. On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Bill wrote: > Hi all ... in another moment of insanity I have decided to try my > hand at putting up a smallish web server. I have a p-200 with 192 m > ram and about 12 g of HD with a fairly fast cable modem hooked to it. > > Primarily I want to run http serving dynamic pages via PHP. > Firewalling is provided by my router. I want SSH / VNC available so I > can manage the machine in a headless state remotely / securely (more > or less). I have a cable modem connection so I have to keep my > traffic load down. > > What I am looking for are software / partitioning recommendations ... > especially from those who may have set up similar systems. The > principle function of this server is to train me ... the secondary > function will be to serve up mildly interesting pages to the dull and > boring urban organic gardeners such as myself while meeting the > design requirements of an html class requiring HTML, DHTML, CSS and > some XML > > Let me know your thoughts, if you would. I am especially foggy about > how much (little) I need to install to have remote X capabilities. Or > if I even need X on the server box at all. The little voices in my > head tell me I don't. > > I will not be creating the pages on this machine but will ftp them > from my main box just as I would to a commercially hosted account. > > TIA, > Bill > -- > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 1545352 1513520 31832 0 152824 1079624 > Swap: 401584 1532 400052 > Total: 1946936 1515052 431884 > Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz > 7:17pm up 2 days, 20:31, 4 users, load average: 0.54, 0.38, 0.38 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | | 813-253-2197 | Network Engineer | | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 22:20:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA09073 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:20:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09069 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:20:54 -0500 Received: from femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.146]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16012 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:20:54 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011212032023.RCXY14336.femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:20:23 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 100k files in one directory Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:20:38 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121122203805.30754@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 11 December 2001 20:47, you wrote: > you might not have to recompile.. I'm not sure.. but I think you > can do something like cat 100000 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max > > maybe.. =) > > On 11 Dec 2001, Logan wrote: > > Various folks in my office dumped just shy of 100K files to a > > linux file server I made for back ups. But, they dumped them all > > into one directory. Clipped But chiding from the Windoze users > > stirs me to try to let them leave their crap all in one big heap. > > > > Logan Windows users? Good gravy ... they're worse than Jehovah's Witnesses! :-) Why not write a script to break up the files into individual directories (sorted however), do your backup magic and the dump all the crud back into the original directory? They'll never know what hit 'em :-) In fact, you should accidentally mirror the munged directory to their hard drives, too. Maybe dir can handle more files than ls? :-) What would life be without an occaisional accident? Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1500812 44540 0 150428 1114132 Swap: 401584 2372 399212 Total: 1946936 1503184 443752 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 10:09pmup 2 days, 23:23, 4 users, load average: 0.69, 0.69, 0.67 From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 22:30:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA09101 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:30:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09098 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:30:12 -0500 Received: from miva03.hispeedhosting.com (miva03.hispeedhosting.com [216.109.137.5]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16034 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:30:12 -0500 Received: from diamondwrite.com (tamqfl1-ar1-011-023.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.11.23]) (authenticated) by [216.109.147.30] (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id fBC3Tb101445 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:29:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3C16CEB1.1090604@diamondwrite.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:27:45 -0500 From: David Levi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.6+) Gecko/20011201 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help References: <01121119213006.28595@a.genesis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Bill wrote: > What I am looking for are software / partitioning recommendations ... > especially from those who may have set up similar systems. The > principle function of this server is to train me ... the secondary > function will be to serve up mildly interesting pages to the dull and > boring urban organic gardeners such as myself while meeting the > design requirements of an html class requiring HTML, DHTML, CSS and > some XML > > Let me know your thoughts, if you would. I am especially foggy about > how much (little) I need to install to have remote X capabilities. Or > if I even need X on the server box at all. The little voices in my > head tell me I don't. > > I will not be creating the pages on this machine but will ftp them > from my main box just as I would to a commercially hosted account. Another gardener! I will happily help you with the Web details when you get that far. As for the server, X is irrelevant. SSH for management, FTP for uploading, and Apache for the serving are pretty much it. If you want it to double as an email server, you'll need a bit more. As for PHP, Apache *loves* Perl and PHP, so no fancy stuff there. Obviously development is a different story. David Levi From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 22:47:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA09150 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:47:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09147 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:47:58 -0500 Received: from femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.19]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16059 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:47:53 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011212034722.KMQT2988.femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:47:22 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:47:38 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20011212023719.86712.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20011212023719.86712.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121122473806.30754@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 11 December 2001 21:37, you wrote: > http://www.no-ip.com/ (clipped) > Pete. > Thanks for the link, Pete. I do have a static IP. That was really important to me because I wanted to be able to SSH /VNC from the school lab. I will keep the link, though. As much as the cable industry is getting shaken up, it's difficult to know what the next AUP will look like. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1393916 151436 0 146692 1011788 Swap: 401584 2372 399212 Total: 1946936 1396288 550648 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 10:44pmup 2 days, 23:58, 4 users, load average: 0.42, 0.36, 0.49 From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 11 22:51:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA09161 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:51:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09158 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:51:03 -0500 Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16066 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:51:03 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011212035032.QOUO16198.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:50:32 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:50:49 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121122504907.30754@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 11 December 2001 21:38, you wrote: > Just something to note: Some cable providers are now blocking > ports due to the rash of virii out there. Check to make sure that > your's isn't one of them. > Being somewhat on the cautious side, let's just say "so far, so good". :-) So far, all ports, most expecially ports 80 / 8080, 22 and 5800 / 5900 all work Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1393576 151776 0 146896 1012024 Swap: 401584 2372 399212 Total: 1946936 1395948 550988 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 10:47pmup 3 days, 1 min, 4 users, load average: 0.11, 0.32, 0.45 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 03:12:45 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id DAA09827 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:12:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA09824 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:12:44 -0500 Received: from femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.22]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16775 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:12:44 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011212081213.VXXV9385.femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:12:13 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:12:29 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01121119213006.28595@a.genesis.com> <3C16CEB1.1090604@diamondwrite.com> In-Reply-To: <3C16CEB1.1090604@diamondwrite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121203122900.01709@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 11 December 2001 22:27, you wrote: > Another gardener! I will happily help you with the Web details when > you get that far. As for the server, X is irrelevant. SSH for > management, FTP for uploading, and Apache for the serving are > pretty much it. If you want it to double as an email server, > you'll need a bit more. As for PHP, Apache *loves* Perl and PHP, > so no fancy stuff there. Obviously development is a different > story. > > David Levi You gots organic? What part of the country? Pics & such would be especially valuable from different parts of the country ... the focus will be on organic gardening in the city. I have the OS installed and grabbing updates now. I am just KVM hopping back & forth. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1349020 196332 0 150244 967408 Swap: 401584 2372 399212 Total: 1946936 1351392 595544 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 3:09am up 3 days, 4:23, 4 users, load average: 0.13, 0.15, 0.15 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 10:37:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA11293 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:37:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA11290 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:37:19 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18329 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:37:19 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fBCFcTY06979 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:38:29 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:35:57 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:35:44 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: [SLUG] Using tar with a tape drive. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id KAA11291 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Is there a way to use tar with a tape drive as an unprivileged user? As root I can do a backup using "tar -vclpf /dev/st0 /export/data" and a restore using "tar -vxpf /dev/st0". The goal is to be able to do a restore or backup as non-root but to not be able to overwrite any files that a non privileged user wouldn't have rights to. So I don't want to make tar setuid. Maybe set broader rights to /dev/st0? Brett Simpson Internet Administrator for Hillsborough County (813) 301-7144 simpsonb@hillsboroughcounty.org From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 10:45:52 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA11322 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:45:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA11319 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:45:52 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18353 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:45:51 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ua193590 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:47:25 -0500 Message-ID: <01ad01c18323$9f409b70$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:42:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I don't think cable hook providers are blocking anything. My log files are littered with nimba, code-red and other hits. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: "SUNCOAST LUG" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help > > > Just something to note: Some cable providers are now blocking ports due > to the rash of virii out there. Check to make sure that your's isn't one > of them. > > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Bill wrote: > > > Hi all ... in another moment of insanity I have decided to try my > > hand at putting up a smallish web server. I have a p-200 with 192 m > > ram and about 12 g of HD with a fairly fast cable modem hooked to it. > > > > Primarily I want to run http serving dynamic pages via PHP. > > Firewalling is provided by my router. I want SSH / VNC available so I > > can manage the machine in a headless state remotely / securely (more > > or less). I have a cable modem connection so I have to keep my > > traffic load down. > > > > What I am looking for are software / partitioning recommendations ... > > especially from those who may have set up similar systems. The > > principle function of this server is to train me ... the secondary > > function will be to serve up mildly interesting pages to the dull and > > boring urban organic gardeners such as myself while meeting the > > design requirements of an html class requiring HTML, DHTML, CSS and > > some XML > > > > Let me know your thoughts, if you would. I am especially foggy about > > how much (little) I need to install to have remote X capabilities. Or > > if I even need X on the server box at all. The little voices in my > > head tell me I don't. > > > > I will not be creating the pages on this machine but will ftp them > > from my main box just as I would to a commercially hosted account. > > > > TIA, > > Bill > > -- > > total used free shared buffers cached > > Mem: 1545352 1513520 31832 0 152824 1079624 > > Swap: 401584 1532 400052 > > Total: 1946936 1515052 431884 > > Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz > > 7:17pm up 2 days, 20:31, 4 users, load average: 0.54, 0.38, 0.38 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | > | 813-253-2197 | Network Engineer | > | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 10:54:54 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA11350 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:54:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA11347 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:54:54 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18388 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:54:53 -0500 Received: (qmail 18685 invoked by uid 508); 12 Dec 2001 15:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (24.164.21.236) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 15:54:18 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=jcopenha) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16EBYg-0002ed-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:44:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:44:34 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Using tar with a tape drive. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug yeah.. you need to change the rights on /dev/st0 so that everyone can write to it.. Jason On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Brett Simpson wrote: > Is there a way to use tar with a tape drive as an unprivileged user? As root I can do a backup using "tar -vclpf /dev/st0 /export/data" and a restore using "tar -vxpf /dev/st0". The goal is to be able to do a restore or backup as non-root but to not be able to overwrite any files that a non privileged user wouldn't have rights to. So I don't want to make tar setuid. Maybe set broader rights to /dev/st0? > > Brett Simpson > Internet Administrator for Hillsborough County > (813) 301-7144 > simpsonb@hillsboroughcounty.org > > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 12:06:19 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA11564 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:06:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA11561 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:06:18 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18618 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:06:18 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fBCH7XY12784 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:07:33 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:05:01 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:04:52 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Using tar with a tape drive. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id MAA11562 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug That works. Thanks. >>> jcopenha@typedef.org 12/12/01 10:44AM >>> yeah.. you need to change the rights on /dev/st0 so that everyone can write to it.. Jason On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Brett Simpson wrote: > Is there a way to use tar with a tape drive as an unprivileged user? As root I can do a backup using "tar -vclpf /dev/st0 /export/data" and a restore using "tar -vxpf /dev/st0". The goal is to be able to do a restore or backup as non-root but to not be able to overwrite any files that a non privileged user wouldn't have rights to. So I don't want to make tar setuid. Maybe set broader rights to /dev/st0? > > Brett Simpson > Internet Administrator for Hillsborough County > (813) 301-7144 > simpsonb@hillsboroughcounty.org > > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 12:12:15 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA11583 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:12:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA11580 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:12:15 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18649 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:12:15 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA01608 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:11:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] 100k files in one directory From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1008117965.20026.0.camel@Maria> References: <1008117965.20026.0.camel@Maria> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 12 Dec 2001 12:11:44 -0500 Message-Id: <1008177105.5012.0.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 19:46, Logan wrote: > Various folks in my office dumped just shy of 100K files to a linux > file server I made for back ups. But, they dumped them all into one > directory. There are so many files there that ls times out. > I think the cure would be to recompile a kernel, editing > /usr/src/linux/include/linux/fs.h to change the NR_FILE variable from > 8192 to 8192*10 or even 8192*100. I think this would allow things like > ls and rm to work. Or am I barking up the wrong tree? > Has anyone else had any experience like this? I know I can also cure > it by making more subdirectories and force them to put there files in > the subdirectories. But chiding from the Windoze users stirs me to try > to let them leave their crap all in one big heap. What filesystem are you using? If ext2, there are some patches floating around that dramatically increase the speed of file I/O against directories with lots of files. You'll have to either ask on lkml or check Kernel-Traffic to find the source of them, though, because I don't remember where they are. ReiserFS really should be able to handle it without much trouble. XFS and JFS I'm not so sure of, although I use XFS virtually everywhere nowadays and have no problems with it, and have a server at home with some "junk" directories that get thousands of files dumped into them and have never had issues. Also, how much RAM and what CPU are in that server? Adding more RAM will help the system cache filesystem ops better. If your Windows people are hassling you, you can just come back with "So, what do you do if NTFS falls over on something? What other filesystems can you use? FAT32?" and then laugh. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 12:13:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA11591 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:13:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA11588 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:13:41 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18658 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:13:41 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA01616 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:13:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] 100k files in one directory From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 12 Dec 2001 12:13:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1008177191.5012.2.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 20:47, Jason Copenhaver wrote: > you might not have to recompile.. I'm not sure.. but I think you can do > something like cat 100000 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max That is only the value for the maximum number of file handles the kernel can have open at any one time. Opening a directory with 100K files isn't the same as having 100K file handles in use. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 12:17:41 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA11617 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:17:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA11614 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:17:41 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18672 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:17:41 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA01675 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:17:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Using tar with a tape drive. From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 12 Dec 2001 12:17:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1008177431.5151.6.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 10:35, Brett Simpson wrote: > Is there a way to use tar with a tape drive as an unprivileged user? As root I can do a backup using "tar -vclpf /dev/st0 /export/data" and a restore using "tar -vxpf /dev/st0". The goal is to be able to do a restore or backup as non-root but to not be able to overwrite any files that a non privileged user wouldn't have rights to. So I don't want to make tar setuid. Maybe set broader rights to /dev/st0? That's exactly it. Making tar setuid-root would allow anyone to use tar to overwrite any file on the system as if they were root. You probably don't want that. :) Make a group called "backup" and 'chgrp backup /dev/st0' and 'chmod g+rw /dev/st0' then put the users you want to be able to take backups into the 'backup' group. Like magic. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 15:13:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA12178 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:13:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA12170 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:13:06 -0500 Received: from dt2.gschmidt.net (6535219hfc223.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.219.223]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19240 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:13:05 -0500 Received: from there (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 52E242AE75 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:11:24 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Greg Schmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] How do I see iptables NAT table? Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:11:24 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20011212201124.52E242AE75@dt2.gschmidt.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Couldn't find this in any docs. I want to see the NAT table. See what addys/ports are mapped to what addys/ports so netfilter can keep track of how to mangle the IP headers. iptables -L -v only lists the rule set. The SNAT is working, so that info has to be somewhere inside of that stupid, plastic box. How do I tell it to show me what it is? Thanks, Greg From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 15:36:37 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA12252 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:36:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA12249 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:36:36 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19316 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:36:36 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA03214 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:36:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] How do I see iptables NAT table? From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20011212201124.52E242AE75@dt2.gschmidt.net> References: <20011212201124.52E242AE75@dt2.gschmidt.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 12 Dec 2001 15:36:06 -0500 Message-Id: <1008189366.527.0.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 15:11, Greg Schmidt wrote: > Couldn't find this in any docs. I want to see the NAT table. See what > addys/ports are mapped to what addys/ports so netfilter can keep track of how > to mangle the IP headers. iptables -L -v only lists the rule set. The SNAT > is working, so that info has to be somewhere inside of that stupid, plastic > box. How do I tell it to show me what it is? iptables -t nat -vnL The default 'filter' table is viewed if you don't specify what table you want to see with the '-t' option. So: iptables -vnL is the same as iptables -t filter -vnL There is also a 'mangle' table, but you're unlikely to use that one in day-to-day use. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 16:27:38 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA12469 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:27:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA12466 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:27:37 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19585 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:27:37 -0500 Received: from espresso (6535245hfc180.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.245.180]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBCLR7W06808 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:27:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken Billings" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:27:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <01121122473806.30754@a.genesis.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi! I'm new to the list (about 3 weeks), and to linux in general, so I'd like to say hello to everyone here. I wish I had known about the group a year ago! I'm going to try and make it to the Tampa meeting this evening to see what it's all about. I don't ask for help on things very often, since I find I can almost always work things out if I smack my head against it hard enough. There are a few things I'll be asking about soon, however. Stay tuned! :) Anyway, to get to the point... Bill, what company are you getting cable access from? I thought TW/Roadrunner had things pretty much wrapped up in the greater Tampa Bay area. I'd love to have a static IP, but as far as I can tell, you have to have a business account to get one here (St. Pete). Prices for that start at $80+ and go up from there. I've been wanting a few additional IP addresses as well, but at 10 bucks a pop, I think I'll stick with NAT. :) On the dynamic IP/domain name issue: I've been using zoneedit.com for a while, and have been VERY happy with the service. They'll host DNS for up to 5 domains for free, with a fairly low cost above that. Now that I've gotten my linux machine running and halfway up to speed, I'll probably be switching to just secondary DNS with them. I don't use their dynamic IP service since my address has changed only once in the last year, but from what I can tell they are set up to be very linux friendly on that front. I also have a question about the SLUG meetings. Since my box is dedicated as a server/firewall/etc, bringing it is pretty much out. Is there internet access at the meeting location for remote X/VNC/SSH/etc? I'm pretty good about having details already when I need help, but sometimes having that prompt is the only way... -Ken ---- If this message is a duplicate, I apologize. Since I wasn't seeing my post, I reasoned out that it won't allow me to send from a different email address. Hopefully this one will work. :) -----Original Message----- > http://www.no-ip.com/ (clipped) > Pete. > Thanks for the link, Pete. I do have a static IP. That was really important to me because I wanted to be able to SSH /VNC from the school lab. I will keep the link, though. As much as the cable industry is getting shaken up, it's difficult to know what the next AUP will look like. Bill From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 16:35:50 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA12495 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:35:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA12492 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:35:50 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA19623 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:35:49 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ra193613 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:37:24 -0500 Message-ID: <01bb01c18354$802a9390$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:32:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug In orlando, my IP hasn't changed in at least 4 months. Actually I don't remember when it last changed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Billings" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 4:27 PM Subject: RE: [SLUG] Web server setup help > Hi! I'm new to the list (about 3 weeks), and to linux in general, so I'd > like to say hello to everyone here. I wish I had known about the group a > year ago! I'm going to try and make it to the Tampa meeting this evening to > see what it's all about. I don't ask for help on things very often, since I > find I can almost always work things out if I smack my head against it hard > enough. There are a few things I'll be asking about soon, however. Stay > tuned! :) > > Anyway, to get to the point... > Bill, what company are you getting cable access from? I thought > TW/Roadrunner had things pretty much wrapped up in the greater Tampa Bay > area. I'd love to have a static IP, but as far as I can tell, you have to > have a business account to get one here (St. Pete). Prices for that start > at $80+ and go up from there. I've been wanting a few additional IP > addresses as well, but at 10 bucks a pop, I think I'll stick with NAT. :) > > On the dynamic IP/domain name issue: I've been using zoneedit.com for a > while, and have been VERY happy with the service. They'll host DNS for up > to 5 domains for free, with a fairly low cost above that. Now that I've > gotten my linux machine running and halfway up to speed, I'll probably be > switching to just secondary DNS with them. I don't use their dynamic IP > service since my address has changed only once in the last year, but from > what I can tell they are set up to be very linux friendly on that front. > > I also have a question about the SLUG meetings. Since my box is dedicated > as a server/firewall/etc, bringing it is pretty much out. Is there internet > access at the meeting location for remote X/VNC/SSH/etc? I'm pretty good > about having details already when I need help, but sometimes having that > prompt is the only way... > > -Ken > > ---- If this message is a duplicate, I apologize. Since I wasn't seeing my > post, I reasoned out that it won't allow me to send from a different email > address. Hopefully this one will work. :) > > > -----Original Message----- > > > http://www.no-ip.com/ > (clipped) > > Pete. > > > > Thanks for the link, Pete. I do have a static IP. That was really > important to me because I wanted to be able to SSH /VNC from the > school lab. > > I will keep the link, though. As much as the cable industry is > getting shaken up, it's difficult to know what the next AUP will look > like. > > Bill From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 17:34:30 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA12652 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:34:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA12649 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:34:30 -0500 Received: from smtp003pub.verizon.net (smtp003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.182]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19814 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:34:29 -0500 Received: from there (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by smtp003pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id fBCMXx815992 Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:33:59 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200112122233.fBCMXx815992@smtp003pub.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:32:22 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <01bb01c18354$802a9390$4401a8c0@patrick> In-Reply-To: <01bb01c18354$802a9390$4401a8c0@patrick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 December 2001 16:32, you wrote: > In orlando, my IP hasn't changed in at least 4 months. Actually I don't > remember when it last changed. > > Bill, what company are you getting cable access from? I thought > > TW/Roadrunner had things pretty much wrapped up in the greater Tampa Bay > > area. I'd love to have a static IP, but as far as I can tell, you have > > to have a business account to get one here (St. Pete). Prices for that > > start at $80+ and go up from there. Im in Clearwater and have static---have had for the entire time with GTE (verizon) they now have 2 diff cable modems for new installs one with static and one dhcp---you can request static at no charge. Their price is comp to RR (40 bucks a month) and I have had zero major probs with them. If you can get GTE thats the way to fly for static--and my 2 cents worth!! AJ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8F9r6xz7sWGFN55sRAgJ0AJ9tbGEYBfU1ThCPcWYHvi8kstEZpgCfT/+r eEQ/FaIN8GGukuhej1zUeiA= =O1kJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 17:42:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA12711 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:42:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA12708 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:42:04 -0500 Received: from lucky.innet.com (lucky.innet.com [63.144.204.1]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19855 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:42:03 -0500 Received: from innet.com (lucky.innet.com [63.144.204.1]) by lucky.innet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA28005; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:40:56 -0500 From: "Bob File" To: slug@nks.net X-CC-Sender: rfile@innet.com Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:40:56 GMT Subject: [SLUG] test from webmail X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.5e, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3c17dcf8.6d60.0@innet.com> X-User-Info: 64.132.158.138 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug can't seem to reach list... Please excuse test made from webmail (not .local) From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 18:12:41 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA12785 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:12:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA12782 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:12:41 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com ([63.150.250.40]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19944 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:12:41 -0500 Received: from menix (mmiller1@menix [10.0.200.254]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA02441 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:12:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help From: Matt To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <200112122233.fBCMXx815992@smtp003pub.verizon.net> References: <01bb01c18354$802a9390$4401a8c0@patrick> <200112122233.fBCMXx815992@smtp003pub.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 12 Dec 2001 18:12:10 -0500 Message-Id: <1008198730.3351.27.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 17:32, A2L1 wrote: > Im in Clearwater and have static---have had for the entire time with GTE > (verizon) they now have 2 diff cable modems for new installs one with static > and one dhcp---you can request static at no charge. Their price is comp to RR > (40 bucks a month) and I have had zero major probs with them. If you can get > GTE thats the way to fly for static--and my 2 cents worth!! > Verizon offers cable modem access? I thought they only provided dsl...? Any info on this would be appreciated. Thanks. Matt From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 19:55:06 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA13032 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:55:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA13029 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:55:05 -0500 Received: from femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.146]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20257 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:55:05 -0500 Received: from Maria.local ([67.162.169.156]) by femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011213005434.ZUCP14336.femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Maria.local> for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:54:34 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] 100k files in one directory From: Logan To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1008177105.5012.0.camel@two> References: <1008117965.20026.0.camel@Maria> <1008177105.5012.0.camel@two> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 12 Dec 2001 19:56:40 -0500 Message-Id: <1008205001.9465.0.camel@Maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I am using ext2. How many files can reiserFS handle in one directory? Or does it matter since it writes a journal? On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 12:11, Derek Glidden wrote: > On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 19:46, Logan wrote: > > Various folks in my office dumped just shy of 100K files to a linux > > file server I made for back ups. But, they dumped them all into one > > directory. There are so many files there that ls times out. > > I think the cure would be to recompile a kernel, editing > > /usr/src/linux/include/linux/fs.h to change the NR_FILE variable from > > 8192 to 8192*10 or even 8192*100. I think this would allow things like > > ls and rm to work. Or am I barking up the wrong tree? > > Has anyone else had any experience like this? I know I can also cure > > it by making more subdirectories and force them to put there files in > > the subdirectories. But chiding from the Windoze users stirs me to try > > to let them leave their crap all in one big heap. > > What filesystem are you using? > > If ext2, there are some patches floating around that dramatically > increase the speed of file I/O against directories with lots of files. > You'll have to either ask on lkml or check Kernel-Traffic to find the > source of them, though, because I don't remember where they are. > > ReiserFS really should be able to handle it without much trouble. > > XFS and JFS I'm not so sure of, although I use XFS virtually everywhere > nowadays and have no problems with it, and have a server at home with > some "junk" directories that get thousands of files dumped into them and > have never had issues. > > Also, how much RAM and what CPU are in that server? Adding more RAM > will help the system cache filesystem ops better. > > If your Windows people are hassling you, you can just come back with > "So, what do you do if NTFS falls over on something? What other > filesystems can you use? FAT32?" and then laugh. > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ > http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ -- 7:50pm up 6 days, 12:33, 1 user, load average: 0.79, 0.41, 0.42 Frisbeetarianism, n.: The belief that when you die, your soul goes up the on roof and gets stuck. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 19:17:21 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA12945 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:17:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA12942 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:17:21 -0500 Received: from out001pub.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.101]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20158 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:17:20 -0500 Received: from there (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by out001pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id fBD0HTZf001723 Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:17:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200112130017.fBD0HTZf001723@out001pub.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:16:48 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <200112122233.fBCMXx815992@smtp003pub.verizon.net> <1008198730.3351.27.camel@menix> In-Reply-To: <1008198730.3351.27.camel@menix> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 12 December 2001 18:12, you wrote: > Verizon offers cable modem access? I thought they only provided dsl...? > Any info on this would be appreciated. Thanks. > Matt Ive been using them for years---just call and ask about cable modems(think its called whirlwind). We just had another (Linda's private---dont ask!!) drop for another cable modem installed---now have 2 cable modems(both static) and they are doing better than 750 on download--- I just dropped verison DSL because the service was garbage---they kept dropping internet and email access for hours/days at a time---blamed it on the servers---I just was fed up so we now have 2 cable drops and both are workin just fine -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8F/Nwxz7sWGFN55sRAvg1AJ949xgmSmsiREJeBcMywtZ2r/KWDgCfYt0r LU1+DXFzdSqtDUHUlXMF+8w= =8iD/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 20:36:10 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA13148 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:36:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA13145 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:36:10 -0500 Received: from femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.148]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20397 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:36:09 -0500 Received: from Maria.local ([67.162.169.156]) by femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011213013539.IURR11490.femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Maria.local> for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:35:39 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] 100k files in one directory From: Logan To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1008205001.9465.0.camel@Maria> References: <1008117965.20026.0.camel@Maria> <1008177105.5012.0.camel@two> <1008205001.9465.0.camel@Maria> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 12 Dec 2001 20:37:45 -0500 Message-Id: <1008207466.9465.8.camel@Maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Oh, I forgot to mention I have 512Mb RAM and a PIII 750 in the server. On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 19:56, Logan wrote: > I am using ext2. How many files can reiserFS handle in one directory? > Or does it matter since it writes a journal? > > On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 12:11, Derek Glidden wrote: > > On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 19:46, Logan wrote: > > > Various folks in my office dumped just shy of 100K files to a linux > > > file server I made for back ups. But, they dumped them all into one > > > directory. There are so many files there that ls times out. > > > I think the cure would be to recompile a kernel, editing > > > /usr/src/linux/include/linux/fs.h to change the NR_FILE variable from > > > 8192 to 8192*10 or even 8192*100. I think this would allow things like > > > ls and rm to work. Or am I barking up the wrong tree? > > > Has anyone else had any experience like this? I know I can also cure > > > it by making more subdirectories and force them to put there files in > > > the subdirectories. But chiding from the Windoze users stirs me to try > > > to let them leave their crap all in one big heap. > > > > What filesystem are you using? > > > > If ext2, there are some patches floating around that dramatically > > increase the speed of file I/O against directories with lots of files. > > You'll have to either ask on lkml or check Kernel-Traffic to find the > > source of them, though, because I don't remember where they are. > > > > ReiserFS really should be able to handle it without much trouble. > > > > XFS and JFS I'm not so sure of, although I use XFS virtually everywhere > > nowadays and have no problems with it, and have a server at home with > > some "junk" directories that get thousands of files dumped into them and > > have never had issues. > > > > Also, how much RAM and what CPU are in that server? Adding more RAM > > will help the system cache filesystem ops better. > > > > If your Windows people are hassling you, you can just come back with > > "So, what do you do if NTFS falls over on something? What other > > filesystems can you use? FAT32?" and then laugh. > > > > -- > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ > > http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ > -- > 7:50pm up 6 days, 12:33, 1 user, load average: 0.79, 0.41, 0.42 > Frisbeetarianism, n.: The belief that when you die, your soul goes up > the on roof and gets stuck. > -- 8:35pm up 6 days, 13:18, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.05 "It's bad luck to be superstitious." -- Andrew W. Mathis From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 22:09:35 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA13423 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:09:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA13420 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:09:34 -0500 Received: from repulse.cnchost.com (repulse.concentric.net [207.155.248.4]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20662 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:09:34 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by repulse.cnchost.com id WAA19523; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:08:58 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16EMNH-0004Hk-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:17:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:17:21 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help Message-ID: <20011212221721.A11266@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <01121122473806.30754@a.genesis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from mrcoffee69@email.com on Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 04:27:07PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 04:27:07PM -0500, Ken Billings wrote: > I also have a question about the SLUG meetings. Since my box is dedicated > as a server/firewall/etc, bringing it is pretty much out. Is there internet > access at the meeting location for remote X/VNC/SSH/etc? I'm pretty good > about having details already when I need help, but sometimes having that > prompt is the only way... > You probably made it to the meeting. But from what I understand, there is internet access in Tampa. No guarantees at other meetings. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 23:17:52 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA13612 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:17:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA13609 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:17:52 -0500 Received: from bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.72]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20865 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:17:51 -0500 Received: from louise (24161253hfc11.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.253.11]) by bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id fBD4GBH06304 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:16:11 -0500 Message-ID: <004201c1838d$5a66d2c0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <20011212201124.52E242AE75@dt2.gschmidt.net> <1008189366.527.0.camel@two> Subject: [SLUG] IPtables drops all Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:18:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug At the meeting tonight, thanks to Mat and Greg, we proved that iptables is working so well that nothing was getting in from ppp0. In a P75 w/24mb ram and two ne2000 nics, we could login to an ISP with the modem, and traffic was sent and received then dropped. Here is the shell used to setup the rules, the listing, and the log. <> (this is Derek's rules with two nics) # rc.firewall iptables to protect internal network # by Derek Glidden at www.nks.net - July 2001 # add eth1 by Larry Sanders, Dec 2001 # # turn forwarding off while vulnerable echo "0" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward # /sbin/iptables -F # flush all rules # rule to nat if from inside going out /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 \ -s 192.168.27.0/24 -j MASQUERADE /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 \ -s 192.168.127.0/24 -j MASQUERADE # rule to accept if from inside with good ip /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -s 192.168.27.0/24 -o ppp0 -j ACCEPT /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -s 192.168.127.0/24 -o ppp0 -j ACCEPT # rule to log any not accepted /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -j LOG --log-prefix="FORWARD DROP:" # rule to drop any not accepted /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -j DROP # # rule to accept input from internal lan # /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -s 192.168.27.0/24 -j ACCEPT /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -s 192.168.127.0/24 -j ACCEPT # rule to explicitly log and drop all others # /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -j LOG --log-prefix="INPUT DROP:" /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -j DROP # # turn on forwarding with wall constucted echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward echo iptables set for firewall in file rc.firewall # end of firewall ====================================================== Then here is the listing from: iptables -L -v Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 0 0 ACCEPT all -- eth1 any 192.168.127.0/24 anywhere 0 0 DROP all -- any any anywhere anywhere Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 0 0 ACCEPT all -- eth0 ppp0 192.168.27.0/24 anywhere 0 0 ACCEPT all -- eth1 ppp0 192.168.127.0/24 anywhere 0 0 LOG all -- any any anywhere anywhere LOG level warning prefix `FORWARD DROP:' 0 0 DROP all -- any any anywhere anywhere Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 24 packets, 2016 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination ====================================================== And here is the entry in the /var/log/messages from when a user on the trusted network (192.168.127.2) pinged the name server for the ISP. Dec 12 20:37:57 gate kernel: FORWARD DROP:IN=ppp0 OUT=eth1 SRC=207.115.59.241 DST=192.168.127.2 LEN=140 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=11 ID=34185 PROTO=UDP SPT=53 DPT=1521 LEN=120 Why is this packet, comming in on ppp0, dropped?? Why is this anser to a ping not being recognized as an answer to this ping? Derek, Thanks in advance. Larry S. :-) From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 23:29:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA13648 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:29:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA13645 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:29:46 -0500 Received: from femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.87]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20898 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:29:46 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011213042915.GYJK29545.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:29:15 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:29:28 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121223292802.12085@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wednesday 12 December 2001 16:27, you wrote: Welcome! > Anyway, to get to the point... > Bill, what company are you getting cable access from? I thought > TW/Roadrunner had things pretty much wrapped up in the greater > Tampa Bay area. They probably do ... but I live in Detroit. Comcast@home provides the ONLY broadband service to my neighborhood. Ameritech COULD bring DSL but have dragged their feet for at least 3 years now. They did offer me idsl for $129 / month. No server, of course. But who would want to run a server on idsl if there was an alternative? In a way, I wish I had your deal. Comcast doesn't offer commercial cable modem service. Their comcast@work arrangement is for a T1 or better line and starts at too much money and goes way up. I would willingly pay $80 a month for my current connectivity AND the right to run a simple http server. It just isn't available. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1454212 91140 0 212380 969600 Swap: 401584 2372 399212 Total: 1946936 1456584 490352 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 10:46pmup 4 days, 0 min, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.07 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 12 23:34:35 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA13663 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:34:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA13660 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:34:34 -0500 Received: from femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.19]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20908 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:34:34 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011213043403.XSOE2988.femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:34:03 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:34:16 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01ad01c18323$9f409b70$4401a8c0@patrick> In-Reply-To: <01ad01c18323$9f409b70$4401a8c0@patrick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121223341603.12085@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wednesday 12 December 2001 10:42, you wrote: > I don't think cable hook providers are blocking anything. My log > files are littered with nimba, code-red and other hits. > > I'll second that. I left port 80 open for 29 hours. I got 1,499 hits, 1,480 of them were nimda, all but two of the others were misc. Winders virii. Two, however, came knocking on the door wanting Gnome to come out and play. Fortunately for me, Gnome wasn't installed on that box. I haven't seen anything about a Gnome attack ... but there it was. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1454412 90940 0 212380 969748 Swap: 401584 2372 399212 Total: 1946936 1456784 490152 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 11:31pmup 4 days, 45 min, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 01:45:37 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA14004 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:45:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA14001 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:45:36 -0500 Received: from repulse.cnchost.com (repulse.concentric.net [207.155.248.4]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21363 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:45:36 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by repulse.cnchost.com id BAA16490; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:45:02 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16EPkP-0004aT-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:53:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:53:32 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IPtables drops all Message-ID: <20011213015332.A17492@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <20011212201124.52E242AE75@dt2.gschmidt.net> <1008189366.527.0.camel@two> <004201c1838d$5a66d2c0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <004201c1838d$5a66d2c0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders>; from lsanders@flash.net on Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 11:18:51PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 11:18:51PM -0500, Larry Sanders wrote: > > Then here is the listing from: iptables -L -v > Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > destination > 0 0 ACCEPT all -- eth1 any 192.168.127.0/24 anywhere > 0 0 DROP all -- any any anywhere anywhere > > Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > destination > 0 0 ACCEPT all -- eth0 ppp0 192.168.27.0/24 anywhere > 0 0 ACCEPT all -- eth1 ppp0 192.168.127.0/24 anywhere > 0 0 LOG all -- any any anywhere anywhere > LOG level warning prefix `FORWARD DROP:' > 0 0 DROP all -- any any anywhere anywhere > > Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 24 packets, 2016 bytes) > pkts bytes target prot opt in out source > destination > > ====================================================== > > And here is the entry in the /var/log/messages from when a user on the > trusted > network (192.168.127.2) pinged the name server for the ISP. > > Dec 12 20:37:57 gate kernel: FORWARD DROP:IN=ppp0 OUT=eth1 > SRC=207.115.59.241 DST=192.168.127.2 LEN=140 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 > TTL=11 ID=34185 PROTO=UDP SPT=53 DPT=1521 LEN=120 > > Why is this packet, comming in on ppp0, dropped?? Why is this anser to a > ping not > being recognized as an answer to this ping? > Derek, Thanks in advance. > Larry S. > :-) (Standing in for Derek until he gets around to it.) I'm more familiar with ipchains than iptables. I think iptables changed the definitions of "input", "output" and "forward" slightly, which confuses me. But... Here's what I see as a non-expert looking at the obvious. A packet from 207.115.59.241 to your ppp0 interface was dropped (according to your log). I assume that was the _answer_ from your ISP. If you look at the "in" column in ipchains -L -v above, you don't see ppp0 in that column anywhere. What you do see is eth0 and eth1. The log appears to say that iptables was using the FORWARD chain to route this packet. This is reinforced by the fact that the packet was logged; no other chain has a logging target. Your FORWARD chain (according to ipchains -L -v) says that it will accept packets from eth0 or eth1 going to ppp0, but it will drop and log anything else, which is what it did here. So I'd say that you can ping all you like, but if the answer is coming back on ppp0, it's just going to drop and log. You need to add a rule about accepting inbound traffic on ppp0. However, from what I understand, iptables introduced the concept of "stateful" inspection and routing. I believe this means that iptables can keep track of "conversations", rather than just packets. That is, it can monitor outbound traffic and keep track of whether an inbound packet is in answer to a previous outbound one. I believe it can do this with a greater economy of rules than on ipchains, which couldn't track "conversations" at all. So it may be that a simple tweak of the rules can resolve the problem, rather than adding a lot of new rules to compensate, the way you have to with ipchains. (If any of this is wrong or inaccurate, please correct me.) Paul From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 05:35:26 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA14684 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 05:35:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA14681 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 05:35:25 -0500 Received: from dt2.gschmidt.net (6535219hfc223.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.219.223]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA22207 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 05:35:25 -0500 Received: from there (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 65FB22AE75 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 05:33:43 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Greg Schmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] How do I see iptables NAT table? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 05:33:43 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <20011212201124.52E242AE75@dt2.gschmidt.net> <1008189366.527.0.camel@two> In-Reply-To: <1008189366.527.0.camel@two> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20011213103343.65FB22AE75@dt2.gschmidt.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug You answered the question I asked. That is indeed how to see the nat table, but I asked the wrong question. Let me try again. For instance, on a Cisco router I can type "sh ip nat tr" for "SHow me the IP NAT TRanslation table" (more generic use of the word table), and it spits to the console something like: Pro Inside global Inside local Outside local Outside global tcp 65.35.x.x:2679 192.168.250.33:2624 207.46.x.x:80 207.46.x.x:80 udp 65.35.x.x:64012 192.168.250.20:64012 192.112.x.x:53 192.112.x.x:53 The above list can get pretty long, not just two lines. But it shows the "table" of translations, addy for addy, port for port, that it is making to be able to do NAT. Can I get similar information out of my Linux box? On Wednesday 12 December 2001 03:36 pm, you wrote: > On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 15:11, Greg Schmidt wrote: > > Couldn't find this in any docs. I want to see the NAT table. See what > > addys/ports are mapped to what addys/ports so netfilter can keep track of > > how to mangle the IP headers. iptables -L -v only lists the rule set. > > The SNAT is working, so that info has to be somewhere inside of that > > stupid, plastic box. How do I tell it to show me what it is? > > iptables -t nat -vnL > > The default 'filter' table is viewed if you don't specify what table you > want to see with the '-t' option. So: > > iptables -vnL > > is the same as > > iptables -t filter -vnL > > There is also a 'mangle' table, but you're unlikely to use that one in > day-to-day use. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 06:43:14 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA15239 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:43:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA15236 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:43:14 -0500 Received: from omta05.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22836 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:43:13 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta05.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00302497C2; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 03:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 8D26936F9; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 03:42:42 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 03:42:42 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Just came accross this X-Originating-Ip: [192.76.86.65] Message-Id: <20011213114242.8D26936F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO66557,00.html Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 07:51:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA15418 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:51:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA15409 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:51:03 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23000 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:51:02 -0500 Received: from espresso (6535245hfc180.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.245.180]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBDCoWW18287 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:50:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken Billings" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] IPtables drops all Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:50:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <004201c1838d$5a66d2c0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Dammit... I REALLY need to remember to send to the list from the right address. I originally sent this last night: --------- Man, I wish I had paid more attention to you guys at the meeting. I came over almost at the end and didn't get a chance to really look at it. The answer (I hope!) is adding this line: $IPT -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT iptables was doing exactly what it was told to do. A ping got received from the internal net, hit the FORWARD chain and got accepted by the second rule. It went on to the POSTROUTING chain and was correctly masqueraded, and left on it's journey across the net. The response, unfortunately, didn't fare so well. It was automatically demasqed (unmasqed? :) when it arrived in the IP stack, but when it hit the FORWARD chain it died since there was no rule that it matched. The only automatic part about masquerading is the corresponding demasquerading when a related packet comes in. For every single packet, somewhere in the series of chains there has to be a rule that matches and accepts it. In fact, if you want to be able to connect to anything on the internet, you need to add a rule like this also: $IPT -A INPUT -i ppp0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT The OUTPUT chain's default policy is ACCEPT, so anything coming straight from the firewall box will go out just fine, but any response will be dropped without the state match. There's a pretty good HOWTO by Rusty Russell, one of the core netfilter devel guys. http://netfilter.filewatcher.org/unreliable-guides/index.html There's also some good stuff at http://www.e-infomax.com/ipmasq/ Also, on a minor note, you don't need to specify those final -j DROP rules if you change the policy to DROP on the INPUT, OUTPUT, and FORWARD chains. If you are planning to use active ftp or IRC, you might want to modprobe the relevant modules at the beginning of the script. Those are the only 2 protocol helper modules in the stock kernel. I'm not sure it's 100% necessary to manually modprobe these, but I know it works. :) Without these irc breaks in wierd ways, and active mode ftp is flat impossible. /sbin/modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp /sbin/modprobe ip_conntrack_irc /sbin/modprobe ip_nat_ftp /sbin/modprobe ip_nat_irc As usual, my answer is surely a lot longer than you needed, but I hope it helped you. :) -Ken -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Larry Sanders Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:19 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] IPtables drops all At the meeting tonight, thanks to Mat and Greg, we proved that iptables is working so well that nothing was getting in from ppp0. In a P75 w/24mb ram and two ne2000 nics, we could login to an ISP with the modem, and traffic was sent and received then dropped. Here is the shell used to setup the rules, the listing, and the log. <> (this is Derek's rules with two nics) # rc.firewall iptables to protect internal network # by Derek Glidden at www.nks.net - July 2001 # add eth1 by Larry Sanders, Dec 2001 # # turn forwarding off while vulnerable echo "0" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward # /sbin/iptables -F # flush all rules # rule to nat if from inside going out /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 \ -s 192.168.27.0/24 -j MASQUERADE /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 \ -s 192.168.127.0/24 -j MASQUERADE # rule to accept if from inside with good ip /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -s 192.168.27.0/24 -o ppp0 -j ACCEPT /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -s 192.168.127.0/24 -o ppp0 -j ACCEPT # rule to log any not accepted /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -j LOG --log-prefix="FORWARD DROP:" # rule to drop any not accepted /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -j DROP # # rule to accept input from internal lan # /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -s 192.168.27.0/24 -j ACCEPT /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -s 192.168.127.0/24 -j ACCEPT # rule to explicitly log and drop all others # /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -j LOG --log-prefix="INPUT DROP:" /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -j DROP # # turn on forwarding with wall constucted echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward echo iptables set for firewall in file rc.firewall # end of firewall ====================================================== Then here is the listing from: iptables -L -v Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 0 0 ACCEPT all -- eth1 any 192.168.127.0/24 anywhere 0 0 DROP all -- any any anywhere anywhere Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 0 0 ACCEPT all -- eth0 ppp0 192.168.27.0/24 anywhere 0 0 ACCEPT all -- eth1 ppp0 192.168.127.0/24 anywhere 0 0 LOG all -- any any anywhere anywhere LOG level warning prefix `FORWARD DROP:' 0 0 DROP all -- any any anywhere anywhere Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 24 packets, 2016 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination ====================================================== And here is the entry in the /var/log/messages from when a user on the trusted network (192.168.127.2) pinged the name server for the ISP. Dec 12 20:37:57 gate kernel: FORWARD DROP:IN=ppp0 OUT=eth1 SRC=207.115.59.241 DST=192.168.127.2 LEN=140 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=11 ID=34185 PROTO=UDP SPT=53 DPT=1521 LEN=120 Why is this packet, comming in on ppp0, dropped?? Why is this anser to a ping not being recognized as an answer to this ping? Derek, Thanks in advance. Larry S. :-) From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 07:51:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA15421 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:51:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA15413 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:51:03 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23001 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:51:03 -0500 Received: from espresso (6535245hfc180.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.245.180]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBDCoWW18293 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:50:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken Billings" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:50:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200112130017.fBD0HTZf001723@out001pub.verizon.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hmm... I'll have to look into that. I've been thinking about getting DSL, but I hear too many horror stories and not enough satisfied stories. I've been happy with roadrunner in Tampa and St. Pete for about 2 years. If they start blocking port 80, though, I'll have to move on. One question... when you say "750 on download", do you mean bits or bytes per second? :) -Ken -----Original Message----- > Verizon offers cable modem access? I thought they only provided dsl...? > Any info on this would be appreciated. Thanks. > Matt Ive been using them for years---just call and ask about cable modems(think its called whirlwind). We just had another (Linda's private---dont ask!!) drop for another cable modem installed---now have 2 cable modems(both static) and they are doing better than 750 on download--- I just dropped verison DSL because the service was garbage---they kept dropping internet and email access for hours/days at a time---blamed it on the servers---I just was fed up so we now have 2 cable drops and both are workin just fine From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 07:51:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA15422 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:51:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA15417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:51:03 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23004 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:51:03 -0500 Received: from espresso (6535245hfc180.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.245.180]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBDCoXW18304 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:50:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken Billings" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:50:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <01121223292802.12085@a.genesis.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Doh! Like I said, I'm new here, and judging by your activity I ASSumed you lived in the area. Silly me. :) I wouldn't be too jealous of the deal here. The basic (and I do mean _basic_) business class account starts around $80. It's pretty much the same as the home game, except you get to pay more because you're a business. Nice, huh? I'm not sure what the exact pricing for the static IP option is (no dollar amounts listed on the website), but even with that you aren't "allowed" to run a web server. A friend of mine priced a connection with them, and for a couple static IP numbers and http allowed it came to over 400 bucks. Too bad it doesn't go any faster than the el cheapo model... :P -Ken -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:29 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help On Wednesday 12 December 2001 16:27, you wrote: Welcome! > Anyway, to get to the point... > Bill, what company are you getting cable access from? I thought > TW/Roadrunner had things pretty much wrapped up in the greater > Tampa Bay area. They probably do ... but I live in Detroit. Comcast@home provides the ONLY broadband service to my neighborhood. Ameritech COULD bring DSL but have dragged their feet for at least 3 years now. They did offer me idsl for $129 / month. No server, of course. But who would want to run a server on idsl if there was an alternative? In a way, I wish I had your deal. Comcast doesn't offer commercial cable modem service. Their comcast@work arrangement is for a T1 or better line and starts at too much money and goes way up. I would willingly pay $80 a month for my current connectivity AND the right to run a simple http server. It just isn't available. Bill -- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 08:45:50 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA15564 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:45:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA15561 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:45:49 -0500 Received: from bish.net (unknown.Level3.net [64.156.114.22] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23134 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:45:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bish.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA10245 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:36:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:36:54 -0500 (EST) From: Mark To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help In-Reply-To: <200112122233.fBCMXx815992@smtp003pub.verizon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug So you mean DSL then? On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, A2L1 wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 12 December 2001 16:32, you wrote: > > In orlando, my IP hasn't changed in at least 4 months. Actually I don't > > remember when it last changed. > > > > Bill, what company are you getting cable access from? I thought > > > TW/Roadrunner had things pretty much wrapped up in the greater Tampa Bay > > > area. I'd love to have a static IP, but as far as I can tell, you have > > > to have a business account to get one here (St. Pete). Prices for that > > > start at $80+ and go up from there. > > > Im in Clearwater and have static---have had for the entire time with GTE > (verizon) they now have 2 diff cable modems for new installs one with static > and one dhcp---you can request static at no charge. Their price is comp to RR > (40 bucks a month) and I have had zero major probs with them. If you can get > GTE thats the way to fly for static--and my 2 cents worth!! > > AJ > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE8F9r6xz7sWGFN55sRAgJ0AJ9tbGEYBfU1ThCPcWYHvi8kstEZpgCfT/+r > eEQ/FaIN8GGukuhej1zUeiA= > =O1kJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | | 813-253-2197 | Network Engineer | | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 08:15:38 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA15493 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:15:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA15490 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:15:37 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23062 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:15:37 -0500 Received: from espresso (6535245hfc180.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.245.180]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBDDF7W05994 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:15:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken Billings" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] How do I see iptables NAT table? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:15:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20011213103343.65FB22AE75@dt2.gschmidt.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug LOL, I answered your question in the same way yesterday, before I realized what you were really asking. Too bad both of my messages came from the wrong account. If you have the /proc filesystem enabled, the file /proc/net/ip_conntrack is what you're looking for. Keep in mind that this file shows all tracked connections, not just the NATed ones. The address list is quite different from the Cisco one you have. The first src/dst address pair are the original request (no NAT addresses), and the second is where the expected future connections will go (after NAT). Here's a snip from a connection someone made to my internal webserver. This is all one line: tcp 6 262996 ESTABLISHED src=208.238.142.23 dst=65.35.xx.xx sport=1987 dport=80 / src=192.168.xx.xx dst=208.238.142.23 sport=80 dport=1987 [ASSURED] use=1 Note that the file has no concept of "internal" or "external". The original connection comes first, and the original reply second; i.e. for TCP, the is first, and the is listed second. From that point on, any communication on that established connection is tracked and NATed based on the single listing above. Am I making any sense? It's too early in the morning for me. :) -Ken -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Greg Schmidt Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 05:34 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] How do I see iptables NAT table? You answered the question I asked. That is indeed how to see the nat table, but I asked the wrong question. Let me try again. For instance, on a Cisco router I can type "sh ip nat tr" for "SHow me the IP NAT TRanslation table" (more generic use of the word table), and it spits to the console something like: Pro Inside global Inside local Outside local Outside global tcp 65.35.x.x:2679 192.168.250.33:2624 207.46.x.x:80 207.46.x.x:80 udp 65.35.x.x:64012 192.168.250.20:64012 192.112.x.x:53 192.112.x.x:53 The above list can get pretty long, not just two lines. But it shows the "table" of translations, addy for addy, port for port, that it is making to be able to do NAT. Can I get similar information out of my Linux box? From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 08:55:35 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA15605 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:55:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA15602 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:55:34 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA23161 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:55:34 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ea193626 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:57:23 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c183de$4afb3500$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:58:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug sorry, no; twc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help > > > So you mean DSL then? > > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, A2L1 wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Wednesday 12 December 2001 16:32, you wrote: > > > In orlando, my IP hasn't changed in at least 4 months. Actually I don't > > > remember when it last changed. > > > > > > Bill, what company are you getting cable access from? I thought > > > > TW/Roadrunner had things pretty much wrapped up in the greater Tampa Bay > > > > area. I'd love to have a static IP, but as far as I can tell, you have > > > > to have a business account to get one here (St. Pete). Prices for that > > > > start at $80+ and go up from there. > > > > > > Im in Clearwater and have static---have had for the entire time with GTE > > (verizon) they now have 2 diff cable modems for new installs one with static > > and one dhcp---you can request static at no charge. Their price is comp to RR > > (40 bucks a month) and I have had zero major probs with them. If you can get > > GTE thats the way to fly for static--and my 2 cents worth!! > > > > AJ > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > > iD8DBQE8F9r6xz7sWGFN55sRAgJ0AJ9tbGEYBfU1ThCPcWYHvi8kstEZpgCfT/+r > > eEQ/FaIN8GGukuhej1zUeiA= > > =O1kJ > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | > | 813-253-2197 | Network Engineer | > | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 11:35:31 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA16026 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:35:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA16023 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:35:31 -0500 Received: from bogon.blenke.com (653225hfc139.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.25.139]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23634 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:35:30 -0500 Received: (from icblenke@localhost) by bogon.blenke.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA25843 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:35:00 -0500 From: "Ian C. Blenke" Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:35:00 -0500 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Re: your mail Message-ID: <20011213113459.A22257@blenke.com> References: <20011211213655.25229.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011211213655.25229.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.18i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug There are two ways of defining an X11 screen for Unix applications linked against Xlib: $ DISPLAY=:0.0; export DISPLAY # Bourne shells $ setenv DISPLAY :0.0 # C shells and $ command -display :0.0 You export/setenv the DISPLAY variable so that child applications spawned from your shell inherit those variables in their environment. The key is using the other "screen", by appending a dot and a number to the display number, ie: $ bbkeys -display :0.0 & $ bbkeys -display :0.1 & The colon denotes the beginning of an X11 display.screen declaration. You can have one display with dozens of screens. The downside to this, of course, is that you need a window manager that can handle/manage multiple screens. Another big gotcha is that you can't move windows from one screen to another (unless, of course, the application is multi-screen aware). If you omit the .screen portion, .0 is assumed (the first screen). So, the following are *exactly* the same thing: $ bbkeys -display :0 and $ bbkeys -display :0.0 When you use a hostname in front of the colon, you are using TCP sockets for the X11 connection instead of a local Unix Domain Socket: $ bbkeys -display localhost:0 This tells Xlib to establish a TCP socket to X11 display zero, which is TCP port 6000 (X11 uses TCP 6000 + display number). If you have an X11 app that is *very* bandwidth intensive, it is good to make sure you're using a Unix Domain socket for your X11 sessions. Just make sure that there is no "host" portion in front of the colon (":"). Xinerama joins multiple screens into one large virtual screen, so you only have one screen running on one X11 display. If you have two X11 screens running at 1024x768 as :0.0 and :0.1 for example, running in Xinerama with the screens located to the left and right of one another would result in one screen :0.0 that is 2048x768 resolution. - Ian C. Blenke On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 01:36:55PM -0800, Justin Keyes wrote: > I am running blackbox on a dual-headed display. I don't like how > xinerama works, so I use the option to have 2 "separate" desktops (one > for each display). When I startx, bbkeys runs on the first display > because I have > bbkeys & > in ~/.xinitrc > But on the second display, bbkeys won't pick up my keyboard commands > because of the above "separate desktops" option (which I guess means I > am > running two blackboxs and even 2 separate x sessions--although I am not > sure because I simply chose the option in SuSE's "sax2" X configuration > program, which doesn't let me in on its inner workings [see, another > problem with GUI > front-ends!]). So I have to run another bbkeys on that second > desktop/display/head. > My question: > How do I get bbkeys to start automatically on the _second_ > display/desktop (as > I have done with the first via ~/.xinitrc)? Thank you very much for your time! > > ===== > ________________ > > Justin Keyes > m9u35@yahoo.com > ________________ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com -- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 10:57:10 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA15902 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:57:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA15899 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:57:09 -0500 Received: from ww03.jatek.com (ww03.hostica.com [216.116.124.106]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA23475 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:57:08 -0500 Received: (qmail 8120 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 17:46:36 -0000 Received: from dt142nf5.tampabay.rr.com (HELO gtm1) (24.92.194.245) by ww03.hostica.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 17:46:36 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glenn Meyer Organization: Glenn Meyer To: "Slug" Subject: [SLUG] dhcpd.conf Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:51:54 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121310515500.02094@gtm1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug How can I set up my dhcpd.conf file to.... 1.) Pass more than one DNS server IP to the clients - and - 2.) Pass the WINS server IP (in this case my Samba server running WINS) to the windows clients? I don't see either of these in the man pages. I am using RedHat 7.1 with DHCP server 2.0p15 Here is my current dhcpd.conf file.... option routers 192.168.0.1; # local gateway option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; # local subnet mask option domain-name "meyer.yi.org"; # domain name given to clients option domain-name-servers 65.32.2.130; default-lease-time 43200; # seconds till expire max-lease-time 86400; # maximum lease time subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range 192.168.0.3 192.168.0.20; } Thanks for your help!! Glenn. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 11:10:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA15938 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:10:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA15935 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:10:29 -0500 Received: from smtp004pub.verizon.net (smtp004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.183]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23527 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:10:24 -0500 Received: from there (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by smtp004pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id fBDG9kJ15078 Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:09:46 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200112131609.fBDG9kJ15078@smtp004pub.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:09:37 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 December 2001 08:36, you wrote: > So you mean DSL then? Sorry if it was confusing---I Have cable now---had DSL and was more than just unsatisfied with the service and speed (was down alot) so now have dual cable---one modem at each end of the house. According to the test site(roast) I have 750+ bytes(Mb) A J > On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, A2L1 wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Im in Clearwater and have static---have had for the entire time with GTE > > (verizon) they now have 2 diff cable modems for new installs one with > > static and one dhcp---you can request static at no charge. Their price is > > comp to RR (40 bucks a month) and I have had zero major probs with them. > > If you can get GTE thats the way to fly for static--and my 2 cents > > worth!! > > > > AJ > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > > iD8DBQE8F9r6xz7sWGFN55sRAgJ0AJ9tbGEYBfU1ThCPcWYHvi8kstEZpgCfT/+r > > eEQ/FaIN8GGukuhej1zUeiA= > > =O1kJ > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | > | 813-253-2197 | Network Engineer | > | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8GNLBxz7sWGFN55sRAhjlAJ91xELy5oZ94IEDMSJi3H0XLe07NgCggnf5 xGNjnCITuMLKNLhtm/cgxUo= =E3VK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 12:07:30 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA16130 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:07:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA16127 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:07:29 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23734 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:07:29 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10741 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:06:59 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] How do I see iptables NAT table? From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 13 Dec 2001 12:06:59 -0500 Message-Id: <1008263219.2292.6.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2001-12-13 at 08:15, Ken Billings wrote: > LOL, I answered your question in the same way yesterday, before I realized > what you were really asking. Too bad both of my messages came from the > wrong account. > > If you have the /proc filesystem enabled, the file /proc/net/ip_conntrack is > what you're looking for. Keep in mind that this file shows all tracked > connections, not just the NATed ones. The address list is quite different > from the Cisco one you have. The first src/dst address pair are the > original request (no NAT addresses), and the second is where the expected > future connections will go (after NAT). Here's a snip from a connection > someone made to my internal webserver. This is all one line: > > tcp 6 262996 ESTABLISHED src=208.238.142.23 dst=65.35.xx.xx sport=1987 > dport=80 / > src=192.168.xx.xx dst=208.238.142.23 sport=80 dport=1987 [ASSURED] use=1 > > Note that the file has no concept of "internal" or "external". The original > connection comes first, and the original reply second; i.e. for TCP, the > is first, and the is listed second. From that point on, any > communication on that established connection is tracked and NATed based on > the single listing above. Am I making any sense? It's too early in the > morning for me. :) Ah, oh, I understand now. (I didn't see any difference between his first and second phrasings of the question... too early for me too. :) There are a few nifty files scattered around in /proc that show all kinds of neat things about the iptables stuff. Poke around, there are more. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 11:52:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA16087 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:52:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA16084 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:52:57 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23678 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:52:57 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA10642 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:52:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] IPtables drops all From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <004201c1838d$5a66d2c0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> References: <20011212201124.52E242AE75@dt2.gschmidt.net> <1008189366.527.0.camel@two> <004201c1838d$5a66d2c0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 13 Dec 2001 11:52:27 -0500 Message-Id: <1008262347.2332.2.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 23:18, Larry Sanders wrote: > Why is this packet, comming in on ppp0, dropped?? Why is this anser to a > ping not > being recognized as an answer to this ping? > Derek, Thanks in advance. You're welcome. :) It looks like you're not allowing packets back into your network. If you're using IPtables, then you can use stateful inspection to allow "RELATED,ESTABLISHED" back in: # Insert this line here to allow packets from # established sessions back in /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT # rule to log any not accepted /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -j LOG --log-prefix="FORWARD DROP:"# rule to drop any not accepted /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -j DROP You'll probably want to add a similar rule to your "INPUT" table, else your firewall will never receive responses to things like DNS lookups and so on. If you make the 'state' check rule the first one in the chain, you save a meager amount of processing power since most packets will be part of an established session (it only takes three packets to set up a TCP session...) and the IPtables won't have to pass that packet through all intervening rules first. Here is your modified ruleset: # rc.firewall iptables to protect internal network # by Derek Glidden at www.nks.net - July 2001 # add eth1 by Larry Sanders, Dec 2001 # # turn forwarding off while vulnerable echo "0" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward # /sbin/iptables -F # flush all rules # rule to nat if from inside going out /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 \ -s 192.168.27.0/24 -j MASQUERADE /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 \ -s 192.168.127.0/24 -j MASQUERADE # allow session-related packets through /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED \ -j ACCEPT # rule to accept if from inside with good ip /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -s 192.168.27.0/24 -o ppp0 -j ACCEPT /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -s 192.168.127.0/24 -o ppp0 -j ACCEPT # rule to log any not accepted /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -j LOG --log-prefix="FORWARD DROP:" # rule to drop any not accepted /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -j DROP # # allow session-related packets back into the firewall /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED \ -j ACCEPT # rule to accept input from internal lan # /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -s 192.168.27.0/24 -j ACCEPT /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -s 192.168.127.0/24 -j ACCEPT # rule to explicitly log and drop all others # /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -j LOG --log-prefix="INPUT DROP:" /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -j DROP # # turn on forwarding with wall constucted echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward echo iptables set for firewall in file rc.firewall # end of firewall -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 13:16:23 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA16372 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:16:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA16369 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:16:23 -0500 Received: from gandalf.mptotalcare.com ([63.150.250.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23988 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:16:22 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (root@reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.20]) by gandalf.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA04506 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:15:52 -0500 Received: from menix (mmiller1@menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA04632 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:15:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host mmiller1@menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] dhcpd.conf From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <01121310515500.02094@gtm1> References: <01121310515500.02094@gtm1> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 13 Dec 2001 13:15:51 -0500 Message-Id: <1008267352.3351.39.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2001-12-13 at 10:51, Glenn Meyer wrote: > How can I set up my dhcpd.conf file to.... > 1.) Pass more than one DNS server IP to the clients - and - Add: option netbios-name-servers x.x.x.x; > 2.) Pass the WINS server IP (in this case my Samba server running WINS) to > the windows clients? comma separate dns: option domain-name-servers x.x.x.x, x.x.x.x; Matt From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 13:18:31 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA16391 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:18:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA16388 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:18:30 -0500 Received: from gandalf.mptotalcare.com ([63.150.250.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23997 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:18:30 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (root@reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.20]) by gandalf.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA04527 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:18:00 -0500 Received: from menix (mmiller1@menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA04644 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:18:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host mmiller1@menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] dhcpd.conf From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <01121310515500.02094@gtm1> References: <01121310515500.02094@gtm1> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 13 Dec 2001 13:17:59 -0500 Message-Id: <1008267480.3351.41.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2001-12-13 at 10:51, Glenn Meyer wrote: > How can I set up my dhcpd.conf file to.... > 1.) Pass more than one DNS server IP to the clients - and - comma separate dns: option domain-name-servers x.x.x.x, x.x.x.x; > 2.) Pass the WINS server IP (in this case my Samba server running WINS) to > the windows clients? Add: option netbios-name-servers x.x.x.x; Matt From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 13:59:03 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA16515 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:59:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA16512 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:59:02 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24160 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:59:02 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBDIwVZ26240 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:58:31 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:58:07 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: [SLUG] Mailing w/ different FROM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Sometimes when I'm logged in as root, I want to send output to the SLUG or Debian lists, but I don't want my email to read root@(whatever.??). How do I use or setup 'mail' to look like, let's say, mario@alienscience.com sent the email. I don't want to use the REPLY-TO field. I actually want it to be in the FROM field? Mario From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 14:47:24 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA16723 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:47:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA16720 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:47:23 -0500 Received: from ww03.jatek.com (ww03.hostica.com [216.116.124.106]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA24448 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:47:22 -0500 Received: (qmail 21171 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 21:36:34 -0000 Received: from dt142nf5.tampabay.rr.com (HELO gtm1) (24.92.194.245) by ww03.hostica.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 21:36:34 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glenn Meyer Organization: Glenn Meyer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dhcpd.conf Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:42:50 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01121310515500.02094@gtm1> <1008267480.3351.41.camel@menix> In-Reply-To: <1008267480.3351.41.camel@menix> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121314425002.02094@gtm1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thank you, Matt. Works perfectly!! On Thursday 13 December 2001 01:17 pm, you wrote: > On Thu, 2001-12-13 at 10:51, Glenn Meyer wrote: > > How can I set up my dhcpd.conf file to.... > > 1.) Pass more than one DNS server IP to the clients - and - > > comma separate dns: > > option domain-name-servers x.x.x.x, x.x.x.x; > > > 2.) Pass the WINS server IP (in this case my Samba server running > > WINS) to > > > the windows clients? > > Add: > > option netbios-name-servers x.x.x.x; > > Matt From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 17:08:40 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA17082 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:08:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA17079 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:08:40 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24989 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:08:39 -0500 Received: from espresso (6535245hfc180.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.245.180]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBDM89Z15247 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:08:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken Billings" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:08:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200112131609.fBDG9kJ15078@smtp004pub.verizon.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Is this test site internal or external to their cable network? If it's out on the internet somewhere, ---Where do I sign up?--- What sort of real-world transfer rates do you get at major sites like microsoft or _insert high-speed site here_? -Ken -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of A2L1 Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:10 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help Sorry if it was confusing---I Have cable now---had DSL and was more than just unsatisfied with the service and speed (was down alot) so now have dual cable---one modem at each end of the house. According to the test site(roast) I have 750+ bytes(Mb) From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 18:51:51 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA17691 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:51:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA17688 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:51:50 -0500 Received: from smtp001pub.verizon.net (smtp001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25508 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:51:45 -0500 Received: from there (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by smtp001pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id fBDNpEI16233 Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:51:14 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200112132351.fBDNpEI16233@smtp001pub.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:51:04 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 December 2001 17:08, you wrote: > Is this test site internal or external to their cable network? If it's out > on the internet somewhere, ---Where do I sign up?--- > What sort of real-world transfer rates do you get at major sites like > microsoft or _insert high-speed site here_? > > -Ken this is one of my test results--- Your line speed: 4434.8Kbps document.write(kbps); 4434.8 Kbps 543.5 Kbytes/sec use the following url there are many test pages just scroll down since I dont use microsoft I cant say anything bout that but I can say the test results seem to vary depending on the time of day or the test site---. I am consistently within 250 or so of the above (500 to 750 ). These are all external to Verzion and have no connection with any company that I am aware of.When you visit the site you will see there are multiple test sites etc. all I can say is that I am more than happy with my speed on both Dl and Uploads--- On the site below you can even select sites in the UK etc to test DLs---one of the favorite test sites is(http://www.testmy.net) in any case you can test speeds--thruput etc at the following http://home.cfl.rr.com/eaa/Bandwidth.htm A J > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of A2L1 > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:10 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help > > Sorry if it was confusing---I Have cable now---had DSL and was more than > just > unsatisfied with the service and speed (was down alot) so now have dual > cable---one modem at each end of the house. > According to the test site(roast) I have 750+ bytes(Mb) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8GT7pxz7sWGFN55sRAmBWAJ4pegYgB4q39Hg3CQCgbqKc3fS1BACfbIrz XE6a7/wAlbrBh6PZG37PKtA= =5hj5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 19:04:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA17726 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:04:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA17723 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:04:00 -0500 Received: from femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25544 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:04:00 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011214000323.LMOC4235.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:03:23 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:03:34 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121319033401.25394@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 13 December 2001 17:08, you wrote: > Is this test site internal or external to their cable network? If > it's out on the internet somewhere, ---Where do I sign up?--- > What sort of real-world transfer rates do you get at major sites > like microsoft or _insert high-speed site here_? > > -Ken > > 750 Mb/s is astounding. Sure it wasn't 750 Kb/s? I often get >2Mb/s off kernel.org. Most sites hit me with anywhere from about 24Kb/s to 8-900 Kb/s. The output from my cable modem to my LAN is 10mhz ... 10 base T ethernet speed. That is a physical limit on the process. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1424676 120676 0 210344 961828 Swap: 401584 4192 397392 Total: 1946936 1428868 518068 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 6:59pm up 4 days, 20:13, 4 users, load average: 0.12, 0.03, 0.01 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 20:02:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA18032 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:02:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA18029 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:02:59 -0500 Received: from smtp005pub.verizon.net (smtp005pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.184]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25787 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:02:58 -0500 Received: from there (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by smtp005pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id fBE12HY27368 Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:02:17 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200112140102.fBE12HY27368@smtp005pub.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:02:18 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <01121319033401.25394@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: <01121319033401.25394@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 December 2001 19:03, you wrote: > On Thursday 13 December 2001 17:08, you wrote: > > Is this test site internal or external to their cable network? If > > it's out on the internet somewhere, ---Where do I sign up?--- > > What sort of real-world transfer rates do you get at major sites > > like microsoft or _insert high-speed site here_? > > > > -Ken > > 750 Mb/s is astounding. Sure it wasn't 750 Kb/s? > > I often get >2Mb/s off kernel.org. Most sites hit me with anywhere > from about 24Kb/s to 8-900 Kb/s. > > The output from my cable modem to my LAN is 10mhz ... 10 base T > ethernet speed. That is a physical limit on the process. > > Bill My error---sorry Kbs sometimes my brain is sleeping!! AJ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8GU+bxz7sWGFN55sRAkqPAJ0QC/1jsQj6P52BF9N43Nr/a+1MGwCdFOTm TDGVAHcb74UW2e6ShNkxaig= =r/wV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 20:04:51 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA18040 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:04:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA18037 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:04:50 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25790 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:04:50 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc252.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.252]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBE14I308410 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:04:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C19505B.6020700@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:05:31 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 100k files in one directory References: <1008117965.20026.0.camel@Maria> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is a a user education issue not a technical one. I suggest you move all the files to a non-shared directory then create a separate directory for each user in the shared area. When the users ask where their files went tell them that if they'll provide a list of the files they want (in a text file so you can automate the transfer), you'll place them IN THEIR ASSIGNED directory. Tell them that in the future any files found OUTSIDE of their directory will be erased. If they need to share files then make a special shared subdirectory where they can place a COPY of their files, but inform them all that this area is a temporary share area and that it's contents will be erased on a regular published and announced schedule and then DO IT! Explain to the users the problem that lead to these measures and positively ask for their cooperation, emphasizing that this will make life easier for all. If management will not support you in this then look for another job because these un-disciplined louts will make your life hell. Ed. Logan wrote: > Various folks in my office dumped just shy of 100K files to a linux > file server I made for back ups. But, they dumped them all into one > directory. There are so many files there that ls times out. > I think the cure would be to recompile a kernel, editing > /usr/src/linux/include/linux/fs.h to change the NR_FILE variable from > 8192 to 8192*10 or even 8192*100. I think this would allow things like > ls and rm to work. Or am I barking up the wrong tree? > Has anyone else had any experience like this? I know I can also cure > it by making more subdirectories and force them to put there files in > the subdirectories. But chiding from the Windoze users stirs me to try > to let them leave their crap all in one big heap. > > Logan > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 20:28:40 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA18099 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:28:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA18096 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:28:39 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25851 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:28:39 -0500 Received: from earth (6535200hfc175.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.200.175]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBE1S5W05591 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:28:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000401c1843f$6b318ca0$afc82341@earth.tampabay.rr.com> From: "RH" To: Subject: [SLUG] Need help with serial port Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:34:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does anybody know how to capture and/or monitor data coming in off the serial port? Do you open one of the /dev/tty nodes or is there a /proc file somewhere? Thanks in advance! Rich H. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 21:19:02 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA18250 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:19:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA18247 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:19:01 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (242829hfc118.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.29.118]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26025 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:19:01 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (localhost.mat [127.0.0.1]) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id fBE2Hn7f001457 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:17:49 -0500 Received: (from billt@localhost) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) id fBE2HnVh001455 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:17:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:17:49 -0500 From: Bill Triplett To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mailing w/ different FROM Message-ID: <20011214021749.GA1299@fourier.mat> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 01:58:07PM -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > Sometimes when I'm logged in as root, I want to send output to the > SLUG or Debian lists, but I don't want my email to read > root@(whatever.??). > > How do I use or setup 'mail' to look like, let's say, > mario@alienscience.com sent the email. I don't want to use the > REPLY-TO field. I actually want it to be in the FROM field? With sendmail, check into the genericstable feature. It maps local usernames to outgoing email addresses. There is sure to be a way with other MTAs like postfix and qmail, but I don't know how with those. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 21:37:53 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA18297 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:37:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA18293 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:37:52 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26058 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:37:52 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fBE2cxY28564 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:38:59 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:36:24 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:36:17 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need help with serial port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id VAA18294 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This link has a section in it on using the serial port with a null cable. http://www.linux-ha.org/download/GettingStarted.html >>> rhorner@tampabay.rr.com 12/13/01 21:16 PM >>> Does anybody know how to capture and/or monitor data coming in off the serial port? Do you open one of the /dev/tty nodes or is there a /proc file somewhere? Thanks in advance! Rich H. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 21:37:52 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA18295 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:37:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA18289 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:37:52 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26057 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:37:51 -0500 Received: from aeon.vmlinux.com (653293hfc166.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.93.166]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBE2bLZ22236 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:37:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:37:20 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Braman X-Sender: aeon@aeon.vmlinux.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need help with serial port In-Reply-To: <000401c1843f$6b318ca0$afc82341@earth.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, RH wrote: > Does anybody know how to capture and/or monitor data coming in off the > serial port? Do you open one of the /dev/tty nodes or is there a > /proc file somewhere? Thanks in advance! Heh...Rich, talk to me tomorrow at work and we'll figure it out. :) Paul Braman aeon@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 13 22:46:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA18491 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:46:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA18488 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:46:59 -0500 Received: from femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.26]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26178 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:46:58 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011214034627.KIVN21916.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:46:27 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web server setup help Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:46:38 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01121319033401.25394@a.genesis.com> <200112140102.fBE12HY27368@smtp005pub.verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200112140102.fBE12HY27368@smtp005pub.verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121322463802.25394@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 13 December 2001 20:02, you wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > My error---sorry Kbs sometimes my brain is sleeping!! > > AJ Darn ... now I gotta go tell the wife we aren't moving to Florida after all. She's gonna be SOOOO bummed! :-) Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1426260 119092 0 210348 962336 Swap: 401584 4192 397392 Total: 1946936 1430452 516484 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 10:45pmup 4 days, 23:59, 4 users, load average: 0.15, 0.38, 0.43 From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 14 01:06:23 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA18906 for slug-track29; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:06:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA18903 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:06:23 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26538 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:06:22 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBE65oZ27093 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:05:50 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20011214021749.GA1299@fourier.mat> References: <20011214021749.GA1299@fourier.mat> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 00:48:33 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mailing w/ different FROM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm using sendmail. Where is the genericstable located? >On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 01:58:07PM -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: >> Sometimes when I'm logged in as root, I want to send output to the >> SLUG or Debian lists, but I don't want my email to read >> root@(whatever.??). >> >> How do I use or setup 'mail' to look like, let's say, >> mario@alienscience.com sent the email. I don't want to use the >> REPLY-TO field. I actually want it to be in the FROM field? > >With sendmail, check into the genericstable feature. It maps local >usernames to outgoing email addresses. There is sure to be a way with >other MTAs like postfix and qmail, but I don't know how with those. -- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 14 03:31:27 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id DAA19278 for slug-track29; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 03:31:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA19275 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 03:31:27 -0500 Received: from femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.83]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA26860 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 03:31:26 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011214083051.VQWF6278.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 00:30:51 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: SUNCOAST LUG Subject: [SLUG] School Web Project Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 03:31:00 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121403310003.30553@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I am looking for material for a school web project. I have decided to focus on the topic of urban organic gardening and am soliciting photos of organically grown gardens / produce / methodology. I especially want pics from urban organic gardens in various areas of the country because methodologies tend to be strongly influenced by locale. The site is hosted on a Linux server and I will be using Linux tools to create it. I guess that's about the only thing that keeps this post from being pure spam. :-) Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1421324 124028 0 210356 963204 Swap: 401584 4192 397392 Total: 1946936 1425516 521420 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 3:29am up 5 days, 4:43, 4 users, load average: 0.28, 0.09, 0.02 From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 14 05:57:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA19695 for slug-track29; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 05:57:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA19692 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 05:57:47 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (242829hfc118.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.29.118]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA27314 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 05:57:46 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (localhost.mat [127.0.0.1]) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id fBEAuc7f002507 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 05:56:38 -0500 Received: (from billt@localhost) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) id fBEAucAM002505 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 05:56:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 05:56:38 -0500 From: Bill Triplett To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mailing w/ different FROM Message-ID: <20011214105638.GA2298@fourier.mat> References: <20011214021749.GA1299@fourier.mat> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 12:48:33AM -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > I'm using sendmail. Where is the genericstable located? Check: http://www.sendmail.org/m4/features.html#genericstable In /etc/mail/sendmail.mc: FEATURE(`genericstable',`hash /etc/mail/genericstable')dnl GENERICS_DOMAIN(domain.name.to.remap)dnl In /etc/mail/genericstable: root new@somewhere.com then in /etc/mail type 'make genericstable.db', restart sendmail and give it a whirl... Good luck. > >On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 01:58:07PM -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > >> Sometimes when I'm logged in as root, I want to send output to the > >> SLUG or Debian lists, but I don't want my email to read > >> root@(whatever.??). > >> > >> How do I use or setup 'mail' to look like, let's say, > >> mario@alienscience.com sent the email. I don't want to use the > >> REPLY-TO field. I actually want it to be in the FROM field? > > > >With sendmail, check into the genericstable feature. It maps local > >usernames to outgoing email addresses. There is sure to be a way with > >other MTAs like postfix and qmail, but I don't know how with those. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 14 08:33:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA20316 for slug-track29; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:33:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA20313 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:33:20 -0500 Received: from bish.net (unknown.Level3.net [64.156.114.22] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27877 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:33:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bish.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA11429 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:24:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:24:20 -0500 (EST) From: Mark To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need help with serial port In-Reply-To: <000401c1843f$6b318ca0$afc82341@earth.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug You would open() a /dev/ttySXX Get familiar with the struct termios, tcsetattr() Also, is the data going to be asynchronous or synchronous? On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, RH wrote: > Does anybody know how to capture and/or monitor data coming in off the > serial port? Do you open one of the /dev/tty nodes or is there a /proc file > somewhere? Thanks in advance! > > Rich H. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | | 813-253-2197 | Network Engineer | | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 14 08:35:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA20325 for slug-track29; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:35:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA20322 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:35:01 -0500 Received: from bish.net (unknown.Level3.net [64.156.114.22] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27887 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:34:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bish.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA11434 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:25:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:25:53 -0500 (EST) From: Mark To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mailing w/ different FROM In-Reply-To: <20011214021749.GA1299@fourier.mat> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug It can also be set in the client - depending on which client you are using. Pine 3.XX allowed you to explicity edit the From: line while Pine 4.XX allows you to setup what they call "Roles" to mangle the From: line. On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Bill Triplett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 01:58:07PM -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > > Sometimes when I'm logged in as root, I want to send output to the > > SLUG or Debian lists, but I don't want my email to read > > root@(whatever.??). > > > > How do I use or setup 'mail' to look like, let's say, > > mario@alienscience.com sent the email. I don't want to use the > > REPLY-TO field. I actually want it to be in the FROM field? > > With sendmail, check into the genericstable feature. It maps local > usernames to outgoing email addresses. There is sure to be a way with > other MTAs like postfix and qmail, but I don't know how with those. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | | 813-253-2197 | Network Engineer | | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 14 12:20:45 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA20917 for slug-track29; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:20:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA20914 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:20:45 -0500 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28500 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:20:44 -0500 Received: from sdn-ar-001txfworp097.dialsprint.net ([168.191.159.57] helo=newross.rossberry.private) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Ew0K-00038W-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:20:13 -0800 Received: from localhost (jawildman@localhost) by newross.rossberry.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBEHJEk02883 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:19:16 -0600 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:19:14 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Wildman To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mailing w/ different FROM In-Reply-To: <20011214105638.GA2298@fourier.mat> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I just got this working myself. I used makemap hash genericstable < genericstable (yes, it works. The makemap's output file is genericstable.db) To create the database. You can test your mapping by sendmail -bt /map generics
It should return the appropriate line from the genericstable file. If this post works, then I've got it working, since I'm subscribed as jim@rossberry.com but that is not my local user name. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP jim@rossberry.com 817-308-3868 http://www.rossberry.com On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Bill Triplett wrote: > In /etc/mail/genericstable: > > root new@somewhere.com > > then in /etc/mail type 'make genericstable.db', restart sendmail and > give it a whirl... > > Good luck. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 14 12:54:35 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA21012 for slug-track29; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:54:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA21009 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:54:35 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28588 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:54:35 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA20804 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:54:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] 100k files in one directory From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C19505B.6020700@tampabay.rr.com> References: <1008117965.20026.0.camel@Maria> <3C19505B.6020700@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 14 Dec 2001 12:54:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1008352445.4541.5.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2001-12-13 at 20:05, Ed Centanni wrote: > This is a a user education issue not a technical one. I agree, but I've also had many many occasions where the response to that statement has been, "Yes, but it's a management decision to fix it with technology, not education." *sigh* FWIW - I made a spare partition on my server (with LVM) and formatted it ext2, reiserfs and XFS and made 100K files on it. Making the files took forever on ext2, but doing an "ls" on the directory was quite fast. (of course, it hadn't had time to fragment its directory inodes so much...) I think if I had waited for it to "rm -rf" all those files, it might have taken until the heat-death of the Universe though... :) ReiserFS and XFS were both snappy at making and "ls'ing" the files, but XFS still does "rm" synchronously, so that took forever as well. ReiserFS on the other hand, is remarkably fast at doing "rm" on 100K files since it tends to buffer meta-data type operations as well. I would highly suggest converting that partition to ReiserFS. (Or XFS, but you'll have to have a system supporting the 2.4 series of kernels for that, while there are ReiserFS patches for 2.2.) If nothing else, at least you'll have journalling protection for those 100K+, assumably "important" work files - and remember, e2fsck takes proportionately long as the size of the filesystem plus the number of files on that filesystem. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 14 18:33:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA22297 for slug-track29; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:33:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA22294 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:33:42 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29813 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:33:41 -0500 Received: from obwan (6532163hfc129.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.163.129]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBENXB306887 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:33:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00a801c184f7$b438e2a0$17010a0a@obwan> From: "Andrew Wyatt" To: Subject: [SLUG] test Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:33:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Don't mind me, just testing email from the new domain ;-) From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 15 22:39:06 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA26822 for slug-track29; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:39:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA26819 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:39:05 -0500 Received: from ns.tbi.net (ns.tbi.net [209.141.252.3]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00644 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:39:04 -0500 Received: from tbi.net (dsl-149.tbi.net [207.204.243.149]) by ns.tbi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17561 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:38:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C1C2531.7B3E8F29@tbi.net> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:38:09 -0500 From: Rusty X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "[SLUG]" Subject: [SLUG] SCSI Terminator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does anyone have a 50 pin SCSI terminator block they would like to sell and if so, how much? Please reply off list. Thanks, Rusty From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 16 17:32:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA02163 for slug-track29; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:32:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA02160 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:32:59 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03358 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:32:58 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBGMWS326573 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:32:28 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:31:33 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mailing w/ different FROM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Sorry, folks. Thanks for all of the help, but I made a mistake. I thought I was running sendmail because I use the 'mail' command to send and look at mail. I guess one has nothing to do with the other. I found that I was actually sending using Exim? I'm fixed now. Here's how I did it and how I stumbled onto it. I saw an email fail in verbose mode 'mail -v whoever@blah.com' and noticed that 'exim' was doing something. I knew that lots of configurations are held in the /etc directory, so I used 'mc' and surfed around to find /etc/exim I read exim.conf and noticed the top paragraph mentions that the configuration was automatically created by eximconfig. Since I felt my mail wasn't configured as correctly as I liked, I thought I'd run it. The last question eximconfig asked me also mentioned the thing I wanted to do (map root > mario@alienscience.com) was held in /etc/email-addresses. I read /etc/email-addresses to find a very nice example, so I populated an additional line (without the comment symbols of course). root: mario@alienscience.com ...and that's it! The less painless (shame on me) route would've have been to RTFM /usr/share/doc/exim/ Oh well. I thought I'd be thorough for anybody searching our archives wanting to do this. Mario >I just got this working myself. >I used > >makemap hash genericstable < genericstable >(yes, it works. The makemap's output file is genericstable.db) > >To create the database. You can test your mapping by > >sendmail -bt >/map generics
> >It should return the appropriate line from the genericstable file. > >If this post works, then I've got it working, since I'm subscribed as >jim@rossberry.com but that is not my local user name. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Jim Wildman, CISSP jim@rossberry.com >817-308-3868 http://www.rossberry.com > >On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Bill Triplett wrote: > >> In /etc/mail/genericstable: >> >> root new@somewhere.com >> >> then in /etc/mail type 'make genericstable.db', restart sendmail and > > give it a whirl... > > > > Good luck. -- From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 16 17:46:27 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA02208 for slug-track29; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:46:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA02205 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:46:27 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03379 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:46:26 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBGMju305459 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:45:56 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:45:11 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: [SLUG] Adding a driver module Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Using RedHat 7 out of the box, I'm trying to get it to load a RealTek RTL8019AS chipset on an ISA network card. This computer has no PCI bus. I've looked at the man pages for depmod, modprobe, modprobe.conf, insmod, and lsmod. Right now, I'm using the manual method. This card uses the NE2000 NIC driver. modprobe ne io=0x300 irq=10 I can't seem to figure out the exact syntax to load the driver automatically. Anybody know? Mario From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 16 17:52:38 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA02225 for slug-track29; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:52:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA02222 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:52:37 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03390 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:52:37 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBGMq6309323 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:52:06 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C1C2531.7B3E8F29@tbi.net> References: <3C1C2531.7B3E8F29@tbi.net> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:51:21 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] SCSI Terminator Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Rusty, I don't think I have one to give up, but I'll look. I think it would help others if you told us whether it's a Centronics 50 or a compressed HPDP50. Regardless, I imagine it's a male, and you probably want an active terminator? If it helps at all, most devices nowadays have a jumper you can cross to establish active termination. Of course in a computer case, that's sort of difficult to get to when you want to add a device externally. Mario >Does anyone have a 50 pin SCSI terminator block they would like to sell >and if so, how much? Please reply off list. > >Thanks, > >Rusty -- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 17 07:25:36 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA04401 for slug-track29; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 07:25:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA04396 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 07:25:35 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05442; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 07:25:34 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc252.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.252]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBHCP3310498; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 07:25:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C1DE47B.2050504@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 07:26:35 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "[SLUG]" , "[SLUG]Slug Announce" CC: "[SLUG]linux-announce@news.ornl.gov" Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meeting Announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug WHEN AND WHERE: !! Special meeting time this month only!! 18 December 19:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of this month) Certification, Inc. 2033 Wood Street Suite 220 Sarasota, FL 34237 See the SLUG website (www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) for directions. 20 December 19:00-21:00 Brandon II (third Thursday of each month) 217 Brandon Town Center Drive Brandon, FL Across the street from Barnes & Noble, next to Target and Honey Baked Hams. See the SLUG website suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) for directions. 22 December 09:30-12:00 Dunedin (fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library, 223 Douglas Ave., Community Room A. Dunedin 3 January 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL Take I-4 East to I-75 South. Go south on 75 to the second exit (Hwy 60, Exit 53). Head left (east) under the overpass, and make sure you're in the right lane. When you go to the entrance for Brandon Town Center, you'll see Barnes & Noble on your immediate right. 5 January 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey 9 January 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd Lakepointe I Building Tampa, FL 33607 See the SLUG website (www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) for directions. ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentations: to be announced 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) FOLLOWING MEETINGS: 17 January 19:00-21:00 Brandon II (third Thursday of each month) 22 January 19:00-21:00 Sarasota (fourth Tuesday of each month) 26 January 09:30-12:00 Dunedin (fourth Saturday of each month) 2 February 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) 7 February 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) 13 February 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 17 21:09:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA06826 for slug-track29; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:09:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA06823 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:08:59 -0500 Received: from lucky.innet.com (lucky.innet.com [63.144.204.1]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08007 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:08:59 -0500 Received: from there ([64.132.158.149]) by lucky.innet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA15292 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:07:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200112180207.VAA15292@lucky.innet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob File Organization: What Now Enterprises To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] newgear Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:07:55 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Well things be workin pretty good, but as usual I had to go mucking about and I think I hosed sendmail. Will soon find out. I bought myself some new hardware with a year end bonus I got. I bought from TCWO after seeing them recomended on this list. I got a Soyo Dragon Plus motherboard and SuSE (Linux 7.3 Pro) found all the goodies on it but the card reader with no fiddling on my part. Seems to be a nice board. Well, let's see if this makes it to the list.... From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 17 23:28:23 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA07166 for slug-track29; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:28:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA07163 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:28:22 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08266 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:28:22 -0500 Received: from linux ([64.58.217.39]) by SANCTUM.COM with SMTP (IOA-IPAD 2.70e/96) id 4776000; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:29:21 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] 6th of a dozen questions Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:30:10 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121723301000.01247@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id XAA07164 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hello Sluggers, First of all let me wish you all a great holiday season. I hope that you will be with family and loved ones during this special time of the year. I will have children and grandchildren visiting from far-away places this Christmas. Anyway, I know you all have been waiting patiently and with great expectation for the 6th in this series of puzzling and baffling problems in need of solutions. Your great experience and knowledge is set to the challenge. Hmmmm....Maybe we ought to have a Sluggers Jeopardy or something :) Anyway, here it is : Been struggling for months now trying to make my scanner work. An Artec A6000 Plus. Supported. Couldn't make the Artec supplied scsi card be recognized. Changed it out for an Adaptec 152x. That is now recognized. The low level and high level modules are being loaded. A check in the "dev" directory shows that a device "scanner" has been created. It has a symlink to /dev/sg1 Ex: lsmod shows the aha152x loaded after boot. A "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" shows the scanner being there with an id of 5 and luns 1 thru 7. If I do an "xscanimage" or a "scanimage --device" or an "xsane" I get the following message. root@linux:/ > xsane Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 Going back and checking "lsmod" I see that now the high level module "sg" has also been loaded as a result of that command. I have done a "chmod a+rw /dev/scanner" also thinking that this message may have something to do with permissions, Sooooo......What am I doing wrong here???? Bob S. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 17 23:47:11 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA07284 for slug-track29; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:47:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA07281 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:47:11 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08338 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:47:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBI4kdV02577 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:46:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:46:39 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] 6th of a dozen questions In-Reply-To: <01121723301000.01247@linux> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Bob Stia wrote: > root@linux:/ > xsane > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server > > Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 > this message may have something to do with permissions, right issue -- wrong resource I note that you are in the / directory, show as user root, but have a differnt that conventional prompt. This indicates you may have changed root's shell, or posibly came in in another userid. The unserid you came in as 'owns' rights to place content on the X display; root does not. Please, let's do this cleanly; reboot; log in and start X as an end user; open a console, and if you are running SSHD, please run: ssh root@localhost [This approach gives root the needed access to the display.] (Alternatively; if you are NOT running an sshd, just log in as root, and startx as root, as well. Then open a console ) And then run the xsane program as root. If it is necessary to insmod sg you may do so as root, and then fire up the scanner program in that console. -- Russ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 00:42:10 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA07582 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:42:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA07579 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:42:10 -0500 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA08655 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:42:09 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 05:41:39 -0000 Message-ID: <3C1E8ABA.3090609@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:15:54 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Unrecognized file-types and Netscape 6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey guys; In Netscape 6 and Mozilla, when you run across a file type which the program doesn't recognoze, it asks you to eihter save it or define an application to open it. I *just* today figured out that if you hit the "advanced" button at the bottom of the pop-up window, you get the choice of permanently chosing an app to handle certain files (ex: *.mp3, *.doc, *.pdf...). Well, a while back I had *stupidly* told netscape NOT to ask me any more with MP3 files, thinking it would memorize the last app I used to open files of that type. Well, instead, now it just goes into the "where would you like to download this to" dialog that comes AFTER that screen where you choose whether to use an app or save. Now that I've thoroughly confused you, here's my Q: Can I somehow revert my choice of it not asking me again, so that I may define the app that I wish to use for certain extensions? Thanks, Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 00:48:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA07609 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:48:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA07606 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:48:43 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08677 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:48:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBI5mBV18974 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:48:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:48:11 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Unrecognized file-types and Netscape 6 In-Reply-To: <3C1E8ABA.3090609@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Now that I've thoroughly confused you, here's my Q: Can I somehow revert > my choice of it not asking me again, so that I may define the app that > I wish to use for certain extensions? There is an option to remove the custom plug in on that same page in the 4.x series. -- Russ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 00:51:16 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA07619 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:51:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA07616 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:51:16 -0500 Received: from wellington.cnchost.com (wellington.concentric.net [207.155.252.14]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08686 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:51:15 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by wellington.cnchost.com id AAA26331; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:50:44 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16GDIn-00067E-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:00:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:00:29 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Dunedin Meeting Message-ID: <20011218010029.A23490@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug SLUGs: For you die-hard geeks, there _is_ a Dunedin meeting this Saturday. At least one person is bringing swap meet type stuff, so if you're interested you can bring your stuff as well. Why go Christmas shopping when you can come to a SLUG meeting, right? ;-} Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 00:57:36 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA07637 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:57:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA07634 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:57:35 -0500 Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.84]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08701 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:57:35 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011218055659.SKEW1739.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:56:59 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] newgear Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:56:46 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200112180207.VAA15292@lucky.innet.com> In-Reply-To: <200112180207.VAA15292@lucky.innet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121800564606.11172@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 17 December 2001 21:07, you wrote: > Well things be workin pretty good, but as usual I had to go mucking > about and I think I hosed sendmail. Will soon find out. Bob ... you and I must be twins!!!!!!! WAAAY too tired yesterday, I hosed my /tmp file with a quick # rm -fr /tmp I should probably put a timer on my computer that will simply turn the keyboard and mouse off after 5-6 hours of use ... or anytime after 4 am. I lost Evolution and VMware. Got VMware back today. Still flailing away at Evolution (non-essential, but very nice, program) Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 763212 782140 0 158008 440868 Swap: 401584 0 401584 Total: 1946936 763212 1183724 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 12:53amup 16:28, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.02 From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 01:00:10 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA07647 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:00:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA07644 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:00:09 -0500 Received: from bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.72]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08718 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:00:09 -0500 Received: from louise (A020-0937.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.85.175]) by bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id fBI5w5h16218 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:58:05 -0500 Message-ID: <00ec01c18789$7ada9820$021ba8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Adding a driver module Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:58:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug In my pc running RH 7.1 with NE2000 nics here is the file: /etc/modules.conf alias eth0 ne options ne io=0x300 irq=10 Then you can observe the results with the command dmesg Larry :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mario Lombardo Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: [SLUG] Adding a driver module > Using RedHat 7 out of the box, > This card uses the NE2000 NIC driver. > > Mario From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 01:05:11 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA07662 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:05:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA07659 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:05:10 -0500 Received: from bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.72]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08740 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:05:10 -0500 Received: from louise (A020-0937.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.85.175]) by bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id fBI639h15266 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:03:09 -0500 Message-ID: <00ed01c1878a$2feecba0$021ba8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <20011212201124.52E242AE75@dt2.gschmidt.net><1008189366.527.0.camel@two> <004201c1838d$5a66d2c0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> <1008262347.2332.2.camel@two> Subject: Re: [SLUG] IPtables drops all Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:06:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug IT WORKED! Thanks to Derek, Matt and Greg. If I use kppp to manually connect then everything is great. Using the Linux PPP HOW TO, Chapter 18, I'm trying to use a command line script for pppd. It appears to fail on the chap-secrets or pap-secrets storing the accounts/domains/passwords. What's the secret? ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek Glidden Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] IPtables drops all > On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 23:18, Larry Sanders wrote: > > Why is this packet, comming in on ppp0, dropped?? > > It looks like you're not allowing packets back into your network. If > you're using IPtables, then you can use stateful inspection to allow > "RELATED,ESTABLISHED" back in: > # established sessions back in > /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT > > You'll probably want to add a similar rule to your "INPUT" table, else > your firewall will never receive responses to things like DNS lookups > and so on. > > If you make the 'state' check rule the first one in the chain, you save > a meager amount of processing power since most packets will be part of > an established session (it only takes three packets to set up a TCP > session...) and the IPtables won't have to pass that packet through all > intervening rules first. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 05:38:14 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA08395 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:38:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA08392 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:38:13 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA09518 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:38:13 -0500 Received: from obwan (6532163hfc129.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.163.129]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBIAbcO22863 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:37:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001b01c187b0$06a7ab10$17010a0a@obwan> From: "Andrew Wyatt" To: References: <01121723301000.01247@linux> Subject: Re: [SLUG] 6th of a dozen questions Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:37:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > root@linux:/ > xsane > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server > > Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 > > Going back and checking "lsmod" I see that now the high level module > "sg" has also been loaded as a result of that command. I have done a > "chmod a+rw /dev/scanner" also thinking that this message may have > something to do with permissions, > I'm going to guess that you did a su before you ran xsane. before you su tell X "cd;xhost +" then su (if you aren't suing, you still may need to do that, as xsane may run as root. Andrew From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 05:50:17 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA08433 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:50:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA08430 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:50:17 -0500 Received: from femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.145]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA09533 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:50:16 -0500 Received: from Maria.local ([67.162.169.156]) by femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011218104945.CCBF20139.femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Maria.local> for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 02:49:45 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] 6th of a dozen questions From: Logan To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <01121723301000.01247@linux> References: <01121723301000.01247@linux> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 18 Dec 2001 05:51:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1008672693.30238.0.camel@Maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 2001-12-17 at 23:30, Bob Stia wrote: > root@linux:/ > xsane > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server > > Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 > When you startx, you can as a regular user, type "xhost +root" at your xterm (giving root permission to use your display.) Then run xsane. Logan -- 5:45am up 11 days, 22:28, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.06, 0.37 It's raisins that make Post Raisin Bran so raisiny ... From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 06:35:06 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA08758 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 06:35:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA08755 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 06:35:06 -0500 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09859 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 06:35:05 -0500 Received: from sdn-ar-002txfworp041.dialsprint.net ([168.191.159.153] helo=newross.rossberry.private) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16GIW2-00038J-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 03:34:34 -0800 Received: from localhost (jawildman@localhost) by newross.rossberry.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBIBXK008658 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:33:21 -0600 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:33:20 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Wildman To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] 6th of a dozen questions In-Reply-To: <01121723301000.01247@linux> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is an X windows problem unrelated to your scanner. Whatever user you logged into X as 'owns' the desktop. Your snippet shows that you are trying to run xsane as root. The 'server' referred to is the X server generating your display. The "0:0" nomenclature means the first display on the first monitor (or vice versa). There are 2 ways to fix this, each with different implications. 1) login as root. I don't like this because it is easy to forget and start browsing as root. 2) grant root access to the display. The traditional way is with the use of the xhost command. The problem with xhost is that it is easy to give lots of people access to your display. For instance xhost + means anyone, anywhere who can get to your IP:6000 can put stuff on your desktop. Not good xhost +localhost will allow anyone on your box to do the same. Obviously a bit safer. xhost +root@localhost restricts it to just root. There are other security implications as well. Russ's idea is clever too, since ssh usually takes care of the xhost part in its own way. And it will cover all the security bases quite nicely. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP jim@rossberry.com 817-308-3868 http://www.rossberry.com On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Bob Stia wrote: > root@linux:/ > xsane > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server > > Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 07:34:30 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA08905 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:34:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA08902 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:34:30 -0500 Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA10011 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:34:29 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 12:33:58 -0000 Message-ID: <3C1F39DA.E6229BC7@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:43:06 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] How to increase you Sytem Power by a 10x factor. ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:28:43 -0500 Received: from smtp006pub.verizon.net (smtp006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.185]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10553 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:28:42 -0500 Received: from Desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-188.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.188]) by smtp006pub.verizon.net with SMTP ; id fBIFSAd27969 Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:28:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00c801c187d8$81f3aa80$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: Cc: Subject: [SLUG] The Matrix Binary Watch for Christmas? Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:27:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The Matrix Binary Watch http://home.online.no/~terje-ss/rsi/bin_w.htm Anyone ordered one of these yet? The all-black looks neat but I worry about readability in either very bright or dim light and about the paint scratching or chipping. The silver with red letters is also cool and appears to be less vulnerable -- though the red might be a little tough in dim light. Hmmm ... doc From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 10:52:38 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA09467 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:52:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA09464 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:52:37 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10656 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:52:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBIFq5V26795 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:52:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:52:05 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] 6th of a dozen questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Jim Wildman wrote: > This is an X windows problem unrelated to your scanner. > > Russ's idea is clever too, since ssh usually takes care of the xhost > part in its own way. And it will cover all the security bases quite > nicely. Not just clever; This is a design feature of ssh (to fix the broken 'xhosts +' rsh legacy model). It 'cleans up' after itself when it tears the connection down, revoking the temporary access. -- Russ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 12:16:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA09878 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:16:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA09875 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:16:46 -0500 Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA11110 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:16:46 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 17:15:20 -0000 Message-ID: <3C1F2C82.9010504@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 06:46:10 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Unrecognized file-types and Netscape 6 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug R P Herrold wrote: > On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > >>Now that I've thoroughly confused you, here's my Q: Can I somehow revert >> my choice of it not asking me again, so that I may define the app that >>I wish to use for certain extensions? >> > > There is an option to remove the custom plug in on that same > page in the 4.x series. > Uhmm... huh? I did this through the dialog that pops up when you want to save something / run something off the net in Netscape6. What page are you talking about? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 12:31:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA09921 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:31:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA09918 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:31:11 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11206 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:31:11 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA21446 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:30:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] 6th of a dozen questions From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <01121723301000.01247@linux> References: <01121723301000.01247@linux> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 18 Dec 2001 12:30:41 -0500 Message-Id: <1008696641.21549.0.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 2001-12-17 at 23:30, Bob Stia wrote: > Been struggling for months now trying to make my scanner work. An > Artec A6000 Plus. Supported. Couldn't make the Artec supplied scsi You should have already gotten a solution to your actual problem, but I'm going to suggest heresy here and recommend a piece of commercial software to drive your scanner: http://www.hamrick.com/ Buy a copy of "viewscan" for, I believe $40. It is absolutely the BEST scanning software I've ever used, supports a HUGE number of scanners and best of all, is cross-platform between Windows, Mac and LINUX! Plus once you buy the key, it works on ALL subsequent releases of the software. And he updates it quite frequently with new scanner support and new features. I've tried getting SANE to work with my scanner (HP Photosmart photo scanner) and the time I spent just getting SANE to completely fail to do anything at all would have been worth the $40 if I had just paid it up front... The fellow writing it is a pro-mateur photographer and software developer, so it's explicitly designed as a tool for photographers. If you're just trying to scan polaroids, it may not really be worth the money, but if you want the highest-quality scans possible, with automatic adjustments of all kinds of image quality parameters (but with the ability to go in and manually fine-tune) then this is the software for you! My favorite features are the bulk scanning (my scanner is a photo scanner with the ability to scan negatives - Viewscan will let me scan the entire strip all at once) and the "save raw scan" functionality which is a bit odd, but very cool. If your scanner supports, say 32-bit or 36-bit scanning modes, as most do nowadays, the output image still needs to be 24-bits, so those 32 or 36 bits need to be filtered down to 24 before the image gets saved. Most scanner software does this automatically and you have only a little choice in how that bit-reduction happens. With Viewscan, you have the ability to save those "raw" scan bits to your hard drive, and then treat that "raw" file as a new scan over and over. So if you don't like the settings for the first time you do the scan, change the settings and point the software at the "raw" scan file and it acts like it re-scans the image and outputs the new 24-bit file with the new settings. It's hard to explain but incredibly useful. I'm not related to Mr. Hamrick in any way other than I'm really impressed with the software. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 12:57:30 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA10143 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:57:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10140 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:57:30 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA11396 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:57:29 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id sa193874 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:59:05 -0500 Message-ID: <004a01c187ed$db29c070$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <20011218010029.A23490@quillandmouse.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dunedin Meeting Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:00:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug anyone familiar with LTSP? And could demonstrate the setup? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul M Foster" To: "SLUG List" Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 1:00 AM Subject: [SLUG] Dunedin Meeting > SLUGs: > > For you die-hard geeks, there _is_ a Dunedin meeting this Saturday. At > least one person is bringing swap meet type stuff, so if you're > interested you can bring your stuff as well. > > Why go Christmas shopping when you can come to a SLUG meeting, right? > ;-} > > Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 13:39:17 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA10304 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:39:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA10301 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:39:16 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11614 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:39:16 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA22473 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:38:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Unrecognized file-types and Netscape 6 From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C1F2C82.9010504@yahoo.com> References: <3C1F2C82.9010504@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 18 Dec 2001 13:38:46 -0500 Message-Id: <1008700726.21550.8.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2001-12-18 at 06:46, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > Uhmm... huh? I did this through the dialog that pops up when you want to > save something / run something off the net in Netscape6. What page are > you talking about? In my copy of Mozilla (0.9.5) there is a "reset" button on the "Helper Applications" screen. Unfortunately, I'm guessing it resets ALL the helper applications you've already picked. Alternately, you could go into your .mozilla directory and poke around the config files and delete a line or two where appropriate. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 14:01:08 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA10405 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:01:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA10402 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:01:07 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11755 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:01:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBIJ0ZK15474 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:00:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:00:35 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Unrecognized file-types and Netscape 6 In-Reply-To: <3C1F2C82.9010504@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > There is an option to remove the custom plug in on that same > > page in the 4.x series. > > Uhmm... huh? I did this through the dialog that pops up when you want to > save something / run something off the net in Netscape6. What page are > you talking about? In netscape: Edit | Preferences | +Navigator | +Applications | highlight unwanted | Delete | OK -- Russ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 15:30:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA10671 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:30:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA10668 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:30:22 -0500 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA12174 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:30:21 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2001 20:29:51 -0000 Message-ID: <3C1F59D7.9000600@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:59:35 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Unrecognized file-types and Netscape 6 References: <3C1F2C82.9010504@yahoo.com> <1008700726.21550.8.camel@two> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > In my copy of Mozilla (0.9.5) there is a "reset" button on the "Helper > Applications" screen. Unfortunately, I'm guessing it resets ALL the > helper applications you've already picked. > Found the reset button just as I shot off my last mail. D'OH!! Thanks for all your help. Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 18:19:02 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA11151 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:19:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA11148 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:19:02 -0500 Received: from valiant.cnchost.com (valiant.concentric.net [207.155.252.9]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12706 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:19:01 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by valiant.cnchost.com id SAA27393; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:18:29 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16GTew-0007Je-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:28:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:28:24 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IPtables drops all Message-ID: <20011218182823.A28115@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <20011212201124.52E242AE75@dt2.gschmidt.net><1008189366.527.0.camel@two> <004201c1838d$5a66d2c0$0231a8c0@sanders.sanders> <1008262347.2332.2.camel@two> <00ed01c1878a$2feecba0$021ba8c0@sanders.sanders> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <00ed01c1878a$2feecba0$021ba8c0@sanders.sanders>; from lsanders@flash.net on Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 01:06:48AM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 01:06:48AM -0500, Larry Sanders wrote: > IT WORKED! Thanks to Derek, Matt and Greg. > If I use kppp to manually connect then everything is great. > Using the Linux PPP HOW TO, Chapter 18, I'm trying to > use a command line script for pppd. > It appears to fail on the chap-secrets or pap-secrets > storing the accounts/domains/passwords. What's the secret? There's an FAQ on this on the SLUG site. Try that. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 18 22:35:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA11850 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:35:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA11847 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:35:43 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13133 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:35:43 -0500 Received: from linux ([64.58.217.59]) by SANCTUM.COM with SMTP (IOA-IPAD 2.70e/96) id 5693800; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:36:36 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 6th of a dozen questions Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:37:25 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <01121723301000.01247@linux> <1008696641.21549.0.camel@two> In-Reply-To: <1008696641.21549.0.camel@two> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121822372501.01478@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id WAA11848 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 18 December 2001 12:30 pm, you wrote: > On Mon, 2001-12-17 at 23:30, Bob Stia wrote: > > Been struggling for months now trying to make my scanner work. An > > Artec A6000 Plus. Supported. Couldn't make the Artec supplied > > scsi > > You should have already gotten a solution to your actual problem, > but I'm going to suggest heresy here and recommend a piece of > commercial software to drive your scanner: > > http://www.hamrick.com/ > ............................................. Russ, Andrew, Logan, Jim, & Derek. Yes of course......You are right.......Seems I am learning something new everyday.. I had done an su from my user desktop, to check lsmod, etc. to see what I had before invoking xsane. Now I know. Thanks again for all of your kind and prompt replies. Derek, Think I will try what you suggest. I am familiar with Hamrick. I have been using Vueprint for many years in Windoze and I absolutely love it. Wish I could use it in Linux. Gonna go check it out. Bob S. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 19 04:49:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA12858 for slug-track29; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 04:49:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA12855 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 04:49:07 -0500 Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14050 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 04:49:06 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011219094836.MKQV23280.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 01:48:36 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 6th of a dozen questions Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 04:48:18 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01121723301000.01247@linux> <1008696641.21549.0.camel@two> <01121822372501.01478@linux> In-Reply-To: <01121822372501.01478@linux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121904481801.28634@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 18 December 2001 22:37, you wrote: > > You should have already gotten a solution to your actual problem, > > but I'm going to suggest heresy here and recommend a piece of > > commercial software to drive your scanner: > > > > http://www.hamrick.com/ I couldn't find anything on the site that mentioned Linux. Does it run on Linux? Bill ____ total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 954944 590408 0 245656 409784 Swap: 401584 9640 391944 Total: 1946936 964584 982352 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 4:32am up 1 day, 20:07, 2 users, load average: 0.12, 0.11, 0.11 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 19 08:13:06 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA13581 for slug-track29; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:13:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA13578 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:13:05 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14774 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:13:05 -0500 Received: from espresso (6535245hfc180.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.245.180]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBJDCY326021 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:12:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken Billings" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] 6th of a dozen questions Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:12:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01121904481801.28634@a.genesis.com> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug All the good info is on this page: http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm It looks like a pretty nice piece of software. I could _really_ use it to replace the crap driver I have to use. Too bad it doesn't support my scanner. :( If you want to skip to the download page, it's right here: http://www.hamrick.com/vsm.html -Ken -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 04:48 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 6th of a dozen questions On Tuesday 18 December 2001 22:37, you wrote: > > You should have already gotten a solution to your actual problem, > > but I'm going to suggest heresy here and recommend a piece of > > commercial software to drive your scanner: > > > > http://www.hamrick.com/ I couldn't find anything on the site that mentioned Linux. Does it run on Linux? Bill From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 19 08:57:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA13690 for slug-track29; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:57:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA13687 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:57:46 -0500 Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14876 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:57:45 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-107.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.107] helo=localhost) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16GhDe-0002ZI-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:57:15 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 16GhDc-0000Te-00 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:57:12 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] DSL Masq Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:57:11 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey everyone, I'm going through the NAG, attempting to get my zoo connected to the outside world. First, I've got poet (my computers are named after smurfs), that has two ethernet cards, one attached to my dsl modem, and the other attached to a hub I got dirt cheap. Vanity (my computer on the internal network) is attached to this same hub. They can see each other just fine (ping...ping.....ping.....ping.....) but getting the NAT/MASQ working doesn't have an example in the NAG. The problem is that I have to PPPoE (ppp over ethernet) to connect ot the internet, which creates 1.) a ppp0 device which has the IP address, and 2.) the IP address isn't static. I do have, therefore, four devices: eth0, eth1, ppp0, and lo. eth1 is set to 192.168.1.1, and eth0 doesn't have an IP number, I guess because of the way the PPPoE works. How can I get vanity to see the outside world? Thanks for your help! Russell From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 19 09:10:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA13738 for slug-track29; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:10:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA13735 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:10:57 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA14908 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:10:57 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id sa193900 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:12:48 -0500 Message-ID: <009401c18897$5dd71320$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] DSL Masq Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:13:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug can anyone read this? Are my posts making it to the list? Am I just asking bad questions? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Hires" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: [SLUG] DSL Masq > Hey everyone, > > I'm going through the NAG, attempting to get my zoo connected to the outside > world. First, I've got poet (my computers are named after smurfs), that has > two ethernet cards, one attached to my dsl modem, and the other attached to a > hub I got dirt cheap. Vanity (my computer on the internal network) is > attached to this same hub. They can see each other just fine > (ping...ping.....ping.....ping.....) but getting the NAT/MASQ working doesn't > have an example in the NAG. The problem is that I have to PPPoE (ppp over > ethernet) to connect ot the internet, which creates 1.) a ppp0 device which > has the IP address, and 2.) the IP address isn't static. I do have, > therefore, four devices: eth0, eth1, ppp0, and lo. eth1 is set to > 192.168.1.1, and eth0 doesn't have an IP number, I guess because of the way > the PPPoE works. > > How can I get vanity to see the outside world? > > Thanks for your help! > > Russell From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 19 09:57:06 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA13863 for slug-track29; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:57:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA13860 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:57:05 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14981 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:57:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBJEuYK31885 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:56:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:56:34 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DSL Masq In-Reply-To: <009401c18897$5dd71320$4401a8c0@patrick> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Patrick Grantham wrote: > can anyone read this? Are my posts making it to the list? Am I just asking > bad questions? I see this ... you are hitting the outside ... -- Russ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 19 10:11:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA13903 for slug-track29; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:11:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA13900 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:10:59 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15017 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:10:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBJFARK10584 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:10:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:10:27 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DSL Masq In-Reply-To: <009401c18897$5dd71320$4401a8c0@patrick> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Patrick Grantham wrote: > > have an example in the NAG. The problem is that I have to PPPoE (ppp over > > ethernet) to connect ot the internet, which creates 1.) a ppp0 device which > > has the IP address, and 2.) the IP address isn't static. I do have, > > therefore, four devices: eth0, eth1, ppp0, and lo. eth1 is set to > > 192.168.1.1, and eth0 doesn't have an IP number, I guess because of the way > > the PPPoE works. ... you do not mention ipchains - or iptables - or old ipfwadm as the NATting method. Which are you using? -- Russ herrold From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 19 11:01:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA14095 for slug-track29; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:01:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14092 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:01:06 -0500 Received: from m22.jersey.juno.com (m22.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.85]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15202 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:01:06 -0500 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"kuprwhEVKhR/+02AF+sDxsLjj5y6blk+j4YMKnJb9O9KsicycrL83w=="> Received: (from rsouto@juno.com) by m22.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GN2LCFF5; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:59:55 EST To: slug@nks.net Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:58:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] DSL Masq Message-ID: <20011219.105841.-48892095.1.rsouto@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-7,9-15,17-65 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: ramiro souto Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug can anyone read this? Actually no, you must have the gift of sight in order to be able to see this. Are my posts making it to the list? This one did. Am I just asking bad questions? No, your questions are just too blue (smurfs that is) and they are very good compared to my questions. ; ) Ramiro On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:13:43 -0500 "Patrick Grantham" writes: > can anyone read this? Are my posts making it to the list? Am I just > asking > bad questions? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russell Hires" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 8:57 AM > Subject: [SLUG] DSL Masq > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > I'm going through the NAG, attempting to get my zoo connected to > the > outside > > world. First, I've got poet (my computers are named after smurfs), > that > has > > two ethernet cards, one attached to my dsl modem, and the other > attached > to a > > hub I got dirt cheap. Vanity (my computer on the internal network) > is > > attached to this same hub. They can see each other just fine > > (ping...ping.....ping.....ping.....) but getting the NAT/MASQ > working > doesn't > > have an example in the NAG. The problem is that I have to PPPoE > (ppp over > > ethernet) to connect ot the internet, which creates 1.) a ppp0 > device > which > > has the IP address, and 2.) the IP address isn't static. I do > have, > > therefore, four devices: eth0, eth1, ppp0, and lo. eth1 is set to > > 192.168.1.1, and eth0 doesn't have an IP number, I guess because > of the > way > > the PPPoE works. > > > > How can I get vanity to see the outside world? > > > > Thanks for your help! > > > > Russell > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 19 11:38:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA14228 for slug-track29; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:38:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14225 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:38:46 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15390 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:38:46 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA29685 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:38:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] 6th of a dozen questions From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <01121822372501.01478@linux> References: <01121723301000.01247@linux> <1008696641.21549.0.camel@two> <01121822372501.01478@linux> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 19 Dec 2001 11:38:15 -0500 Message-Id: <1008779896.24662.2.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2001-12-18 at 22:37, Bob Stia wrote: > Derek, > > Think I will try what you suggest. I am familiar with Hamrick. I have > been using Vueprint for many years in Windoze and I absolutely love > it. Wish I could use it in Linux. Gonna go check it out. I've never used it much, since I didn't discover his stuff until I was firmly entrenched in the Linux world. So I can't really say how exactly it compares to Vueprint, but I've been using Compupic (www.compupic.com) for some time now and find it to be an excellent image viewing/management tool. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 19 11:39:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA14236 for slug-track29; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:39:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14233 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:39:57 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15401 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:39:57 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA29701 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:39:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] 6th of a dozen questions From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <01121904481801.28634@a.genesis.com> References: <01121723301000.01247@linux> <1008696641.21549.0.camel@two> <01121822372501.01478@linux> <01121904481801.28634@a.genesis.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 19 Dec 2001 11:39:27 -0500 Message-Id: <1008779967.24662.4.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 04:48, Bill wrote: > On Tuesday 18 December 2001 22:37, you wrote: > > > > You should have already gotten a solution to your actual problem, > > > but I'm going to suggest heresy here and recommend a piece of > > > commercial software to drive your scanner: > > > > > > http://www.hamrick.com/ > > I couldn't find anything on the site that mentioned Linux. Does it > run on Linux? Absolutely. http://www.hamrick.com/vsm.html Big link on that page "Viewscan 7.3.6 for Linux" that leads to the download. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 19 12:00:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA14290 for slug-track29; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:00:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA14287 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:00:03 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15460 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:00:03 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA29824 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:59:33 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] 6th of a dozen questions From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 19 Dec 2001 11:59:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1008781173.24662.6.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 2001-12-19 at 08:12, Ken Billings wrote: > All the good info is on this page: > http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm > > It looks like a pretty nice piece of software. I could _really_ use it to > replace the crap driver I have to use. Too bad it doesn't support my > scanner. :( What model scanner do you have? If it's something that's actually supported under Linux at all, I'm sure it will come along soon enough. The version of Vuescan I've been using doesn't have support for USB scanners under Linux, but now I see that support for at least a few have been added to the latest version. Unfortunately, scanners are one of those pieces of hardware that can either conform to a standard or be completely proprietary. If the former, support will eventually come along, if the latter, it's not likely to ever be supported except in the big mainstream OS. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 19 19:19:52 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA15441 for slug-track29; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:19:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA15438 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:19:51 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16719 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:19:51 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBK0JKZ12594 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:19:20 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00ec01c18789$7ada9820$021ba8c0@sanders.sanders> References: <00ec01c18789$7ada9820$021ba8c0@sanders.sanders> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:18:25 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] Adding a driver module Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks, Larry, but when I tried it, it didn't work. Why? Yet when I do a: modprobe ne io=0x300 irq=10 it gives a positive status and then I see NE2000 in /proc/interrupts and /proc/ioports What's going on? Mario >In my pc running RH 7.1 with NE2000 nics here is the >file: /etc/modules.conf >alias eth0 ne >options ne io=0x300 irq=10 > >Then you can observe the results with the command dmesg >Larry :-) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mario Lombardo Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 5:45 PM >Subject: [SLUG] Adding a driver module > > >> Using RedHat 7 out of the box, > > This card uses the NE2000 NIC driver. > > > > Mario -- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 19 20:36:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA15629 for slug-track29; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:36:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA15626 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:36:45 -0500 Received: from femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.25]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16922 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:36:45 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011220013614.LHWZ16707.femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:36:14 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 6th of a dozen questions Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:35:55 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121920355505.07841@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wednesday 19 December 2001 08:12, you wrote: > All the good info is on this page: > http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm > > It looks like a pretty nice piece of software. I could _really_ > use it to replace the crap driver I have to use. Too bad it > doesn't support my scanner. :( > > If you want to skip to the download page, it's right here: > http://www.hamrick.com/vsm.html > > -Ken > Thanks ... guess I didn't dig deeply enough. My scanner, an Optic Pro 9630, isn't mentioned on the site at all so I downloaded the software to give it a try. If it works (well) I'll also upload some money. If it looks pretty but can't handle my scanner, I'll keep the supported list in mind when I upgrade next. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 995524 549828 0 310328 423080 Swap: 401584 6172 395412 Total: 1946936 1001696 945240 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 8:33pm up 2 days, 12:08, 2 users, load average: 0.35, 0.14, 0.04 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 20 07:48:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA17633 for slug-track29; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:48:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA17630 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:48:47 -0500 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19088 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:48:46 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-069.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.69] helo=localhost) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16H2cR-0000Ya-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 04:48:16 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 16H2cO-0000Er-00 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:48:12 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DSL Masq Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:48:10 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yes, I'm using ipchains. Sorry, I knew I left out at least one important detail. The problem though is that the routes would normally go through eth1 to eth0 (eth0 being the outside world). But in my case, would I have the routes go through ppp0? This is where I think I'm lost... Russell Hires On Wednesday 19 December 2001 10:10 am, you wrote: > On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Patrick Grantham wrote: > > > have an example in the NAG. The problem is that I have to PPPoE (ppp > > > over ethernet) to connect ot the internet, which creates 1.) a ppp0 > > > device which has the IP address, and 2.) the IP address isn't static. I > > > do have, therefore, four devices: eth0, eth1, ppp0, and lo. eth1 is set > > > to 192.168.1.1, and eth0 doesn't have an IP number, I guess because of > > > the way the PPPoE works. > > ... you do not mention ipchains - or iptables - or old ipfwadm > as the NATting method. Which are you using? > > -- Russ herrold From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 20 11:58:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA18260 for slug-track29; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:58:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA18257 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:58:48 -0500 Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19671 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:58:48 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8571C4F0E; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:58:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 72E6C3ED3; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:58:17 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:58:17 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: "Chuck Hill" , "John King" , "Scott Rife" , SLUG Subject: [SLUG] respose to M$ from Lineo X-Originating-Ip: [192.76.86.65] Message-Id: <20011220165817.72E6C3ED3@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4352970066.html Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 20 22:43:03 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA20127 for slug-track29; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:43:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA20124 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:43:02 -0500 Received: from bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.72]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21538 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:43:02 -0500 Received: from louise (A020-0925.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.85.163]) by bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id fBL3fjh16966 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:41:45 -0500 Message-ID: <00c801c189d1$f76758c0$021ba8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <00ec01c18789$7ada9820$021ba8c0@sanders.sanders> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Adding a driver module Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:36:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have found the best results using netcfg to configure network cards. At a command line type: netcfg & This utility will set all the configuration file entries and restart any services needed. What is the results of the commands: ifconfig and route ? Larry :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mario Lombardo Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2001 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Adding a driver module > Thanks, Larry, but when I tried it, it didn't work. Why? > Yet when I do a: modprobe ne io=0x300 irq=10 > it gives a positive status and then I see NE2000 in /proc/interrupts > and /proc/ioports > What's going on? > Mario > > > >In my pc running RH 7.1 with NE2000 nics here is the > >file: /etc/modules.conf > >alias eth0 ne > >options ne io=0x300 irq=10 > > > >Then you can observe the results with the command dmesg > >Larry :-) > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Mario Lombardo Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 5:45 PM > >Subject: [SLUG] Adding a driver module > > > > > >> Using RedHat 7 out of the box, > > > This card uses the NE2000 NIC driver. > > > > > > Mario > > > -- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 21 02:36:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA20739 for slug-track29; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:36:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA20736 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:36:56 -0500 Received: from smtp001pub.verizon.net (smtp001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22011 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:36:56 -0500 Received: from there (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by smtp001pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id fBL7aPp11112 Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:36:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200112210736.fBL7aPp11112@smtp001pub.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: A2L1 To: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 02:36:46 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [SLUG] Dunedin meeting Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Im going to bring a working 486 to the Dunedin---its up for grabs to anyone that wants/needs it AJ From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 21 09:29:28 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA22033 for slug-track29; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:29:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA22030 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:29:27 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23198 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:29:27 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBLESpZ15005 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:28:51 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200112210736.fBL7aPp11112@smtp001pub.verizon.net> References: <200112210736.fBL7aPp11112@smtp001pub.verizon.net> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:27:36 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dunedin meeting Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm not sure what I'm bringing (sounds like a potluck dinner :^), but I'm looking forward to it. I missed the Tampa meeting :^((( >Im going to bring a working 486 to the Dunedin---its up for grabs >to anyone that wants/needs it > > > AJ -- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 21 10:20:32 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA22254 for slug-track29; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:20:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA22251 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:20:31 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23378 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:20:31 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBLFK0O03663 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:20:00 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c801c189d1$f76758c0$021ba8c0@sanders.sanders> References: <00ec01c18789$7ada9820$021ba8c0@sand ers.sanders> <00c801c189d1$f76758c0$021ba8c0@sanders.sanders> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:18:45 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] Adding a driver module Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks again, Larry. I'm not sure what's going on, but it just started working. I'm afraid there's something with the bus or card. I tried netcfg before discovering my computer was working. It wasn't installed, so is this an X app? If it is, I don't plan on installing any kind of X server; client is ok. What about a text or ncurses version of a network configuration tool on RedHat? Mario >I have found the best results using netcfg >to configure network cards. At a command line type: netcfg & >This utility will set all the configuration file entries and restart >any services needed. What is the results of the commands: >ifconfig and route ? >Larry :-) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mario Lombardo Sent: Wed, Dec 19, 2001 7:18 PM >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Adding a driver module > > >> Thanks, Larry, but when I tried it, it didn't work. Why? >> Yet when I do a: modprobe ne io=0x300 irq=10 >> it gives a positive status and then I see NE2000 in /proc/interrupts >> and /proc/ioports >> What's going on? >> Mario >> >> >> >In my pc running RH 7.1 with NE2000 nics here is the >> >file: /etc/modules.conf >> >alias eth0 ne >> >options ne io=0x300 irq=10 >> > >> >Then you can observe the results with the command dmesg >> >Larry :-) >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: Mario Lombardo Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 5:45 PM >> >Subject: [SLUG] Adding a driver module >> > >> > >> >> Using RedHat 7 out of the box, > > > > This card uses the NE2000 NIC driver. > > > > > > > > Mario > > > > > > -- -- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 21 12:43:45 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA22724 for slug-track29; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:43:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA22721 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:43:44 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23860 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:43:44 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBLHhDW28793 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:43:13 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dunedin meeting Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:47:23 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200112210736.fBL7aPp11112@smtp001pub.verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200112210736.fBL7aPp11112@smtp001pub.verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01122112472301.01571@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey.. I'll snag that if no one gets it first. I need to run a low-end devel system to make sure I've got as low a possible target machine as possible. Glen On Friday 21 December 2001 02:36, you wrote: > Im going to bring a working 486 to the Dunedin---its up for grabs > to anyone that wants/needs it > > > AJ From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 22 18:42:19 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA28599 for slug-track29; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:42:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA28596 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:42:18 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28600 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:42:18 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBMNflZ09490 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:41:47 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dunedin meeting Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:46:04 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200112210736.fBL7aPp11112@smtp001pub.verizon.net> <01122112472301.01571@24285hfc17> In-Reply-To: <01122112472301.01571@24285hfc17> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01122218460401.01185@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Woops... I was going to be there but Lord of the Rings happened. I can't believe I completely forgot about the meeting... Glen On Friday 21 December 2001 12:47, you wrote: > Hey.. I'll snag that if no one gets it first. I need to run a low-end devel > system to make sure I've got as low a possible target machine as possible. > > Glen > > On Friday 21 December 2001 02:36, you wrote: > > Im going to bring a working 486 to the Dunedin---its up for grabs > > to anyone that wants/needs it > > > > > > AJ From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 23 16:42:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA04194 for slug-track29; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:42:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA04191 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:42:12 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31391 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:42:11 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBNLfYW07891 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:41:34 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] No messages? Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:45:50 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01122316455000.01183@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I guess everyone's busy. I need to find a local source for slockets that can handle a flipchip. Anybody know of one? I got lucky for christmas and can replace my dual celerons with P3s :D Glen From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 23 21:09:03 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA04823 for slug-track29; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:09:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA04820 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:09:03 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31746 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:09:02 -0500 Received: from newcomputer (653266hfc227.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.66.227]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBO28WO08509 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:08:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801c18c20$0c7ac8a0$e3422041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] No messages? Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:09:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug What are you going to do with the older celery's? if you don't want to much I may be interested in the old CPU's just let me know the speed of them and price. Ps. Merry Christmas to everyone If you do not celebrate Christmas then Happy Holidays 8-) -----Original Message----- From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Date: Sunday, December 23, 2001 4:44 PM Subject: [SLUG] No messages? >I guess everyone's busy. > >I need to find a local source for slockets that can handle a flipchip. >Anybody know of one? > >I got lucky for Christmas and can replace my dual celerons with P3s :D > > Glen > From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 23 21:18:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA04858 for slug-track29; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:18:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA04855 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:18:17 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA31768 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:18:17 -0500 Received: from 24.95.237.134.bvl-ubr-a.cfl.rr.com by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ha194045 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:19:48 -0500 Message-ID: <005f01c18c21$233352a0$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <000801c18c20$0c7ac8a0$e3422041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> Subject: [SLUG] The infamous test msg (is this getting to the list? Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:17:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Please reply? From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 23 22:01:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA04976 for slug-track29; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:01:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA04973 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:01:59 -0500 Received: from zorak.illusionary.lan (653229hfc141.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.29.141]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31835 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:01:58 -0500 Received: from illusionary.com (wraith [192.168.10.10]) by zorak.illusionary.lan (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA12259 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:01:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: zorak.illusionary.lan: Host wraith [192.168.10.10] claimed to be illusionary.com Message-ID: <3C269A7C.2040507@illusionary.com> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:01:16 -0500 From: Derek Glidden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.5) Gecko/20011014 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Empeg prices slashed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I know some of you have drooled over my empeg (car mp3 player) when I've brought it to SLUg meetings, or to the expos we've done, so I thought I'd let you know that Sonicblue has slashed the priced amazingly in attempt to clear stock of empegs. The 10GB unit normally priced $899, then dropped to $699 was slashed to $199. Alas, the 10GB units are out of stock, but 20GB units are only $299 (from $899) and as of at least an hour or so ago, still showing as in-stock. 30GB units are $399 (from $1099) and 60GB units are $499 (from $1399). http://store.sonicblue.com/ Sonicblue, when they acquired Empeg Ltd., UK, totally buried the product and ticked off a whole lot of loyal Empeg users. (They acquired the company for the engineers and then buried the product they brought with them.) Sonicblue loses boatloads on each one of these they sell - I understand that the basic unit, sans hard drive, costs about $500 or so to build, from the really high-end components they use, the labor for building and Q&A'ing them, and overhead of bringing up the line to build the circuit boards, then add the cost of the drive - it's essentially a "fire sale" so I'd really love it if everyone told as many people who might be interested as they could find, so that the whole stock went out. The harder Sonicblue gets reamed for the treatment they gave to the Empeg guys they bought out, and the users they've been screwing over, the happier I'll be... so there's an idea for those of you who don't get what they want this holiday season, or for those who get money. :) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- With Microsoft products, failure is not an option -- it's a standard component. Choose your life. Choose your future. Derek Glidden Choose Linux. http://www.illusionary.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 23 22:17:15 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA05017 for slug-track29; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:17:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA05014 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:17:15 -0500 Received: from glennmeyer.com (dt142nf5.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.194.245]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31857 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:17:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by glennmeyer.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBO3GmW29339 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:16:48 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glenn Meyer Organization: Glenn Meyer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] The infamous test msg (is this getting to the list? Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:16:46 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <000801c18c20$0c7ac8a0$e3422041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> <005f01c18c21$233352a0$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> In-Reply-To: <005f01c18c21$233352a0$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01122322164607.19143@gtm1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug yes On Sunday 23 December 2001 09:17 pm, you wrote: > Please reply? From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 23 22:18:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA05024 for slug-track29; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:18:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA05021 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:18:00 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31861 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:18:00 -0500 Received: from obwan (6532163hfc129.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.163.129]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBO3HPO19988 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:17:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000501c18c29$85ef8820$17010a0a@obwan> From: "Andrew Wyatt" To: References: <000801c18c20$0c7ac8a0$e3422041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> <005f01c18c21$233352a0$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] The infamous test msg (is this getting to the list? Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:17:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug reply, thanks. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Grantham" To: Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 9:17 PM Subject: [SLUG] The infamous test msg (is this getting to the list? > Please reply? > > From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 23 22:18:24 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA05030 for slug-track29; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:18:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA05026 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:18:23 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31863 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:18:23 -0500 Received: from obwan (6532163hfc129.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.163.129]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBO3HqO20371 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:17:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000b01c18c29$961e23f0$17010a0a@obwan> From: "Andrew Wyatt" To: Subject: [SLUG] MERRY CHRISTMAS Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:17:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Merry Christmas to all! -AW From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 23 23:23:40 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA05209 for slug-track29; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:23:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA05206 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:23:39 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA31994 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:23:39 -0500 Received: from 24.95.237.134.bvl-ubr-a.cfl.rr.com by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id la194049 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:25:28 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c18c32$b155d3d0$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <000801c18c20$0c7ac8a0$e3422041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> <005f01c18c21$233352a0$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> <000501c18c29$85ef8820$17010a0a@obwan> Subject: Re: [SLUG] The infamous test msg (is this getting to the list? Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:23:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I've set up a suse-Linux box as a web server. Problem is new files that are created do not have proper rights properties to served why the apache unless manually set via a telnet session. How can I set the default rights for "all" users to rx (read and execute) and group rights for rwx for NEW files automatically? I've been searching through man pages, but can seem to find it. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 24 01:55:43 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA05579 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 01:55:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA05576 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 01:55:42 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA32302 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 01:55:42 -0500 Received: from newcomputer (653266hfc227.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.66.227]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBO6tBW07631 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 01:55:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000e01c18c48$171e9a20$e3422041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Empeg prices slashed Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 01:56:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug To bad my old employer cut me and two others. 8-( I would jump on one of these for sure other wise. -----Original Message----- From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net Date: Sunday, December 23, 2001 10:01 PM Subject: [SLUG] Empeg prices slashed > >I know some of you have drooled over my empeg (car mp3 player) when I've >brought it to SLUg meetings, or to the expos we've done, so I thought >I'd let you know that Sonicblue has slashed the priced amazingly in >attempt to clear stock of empegs. The 10GB unit normally priced $899, >then dropped to $699 was slashed to $199. Alas, the 10GB units are out >of stock, but 20GB units are only $299 (from $899) and as of at least an >hour or so ago, still showing as in-stock. 30GB units are $399 (from >$1099) and 60GB units are $499 (from $1399). > >http://store.sonicblue.com/ > >Sonicblue, when they acquired Empeg Ltd., UK, totally buried the product >and ticked off a whole lot of loyal Empeg users. (They acquired the >company for the engineers and then buried the product they brought with >them.) Sonicblue loses boatloads on each one of these they sell - I >understand that the basic unit, sans hard drive, costs about $500 or so >to build, from the really high-end components they use, the labor for >building and Q&A'ing them, and overhead of bringing up the line to build >the circuit boards, then add the cost of the drive - it's essentially a >"fire sale" so I'd really love it if everyone told as many people who >might be interested as they could find, so that the whole stock went >out. The harder Sonicblue gets reamed for the treatment they gave to the >Empeg guys they bought out, and the users they've been screwing over, >the happier I'll be... > >so there's an idea for those of you who don't get what they want this >holiday season, or for those who get money. :) > >-- >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >With Microsoft products, failure is not an option -- > it's a standard component. >Choose your life. Choose your future. Derek Glidden > Choose Linux. http://www.illusionary.com/ > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 24 07:06:36 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA06547 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:06:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA06544 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:06:35 -0500 Received: from ns1.socaldns.com ([216.240.135.106]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00735 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:06:34 -0500 Received: from there (242820hfc155.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.20.155]) by ns1.socaldns.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA15219 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 04:04:39 -0800 Message-Id: <200112241204.EAA15219@ns1.socaldns.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] The infamous test msg (is this getting to the list? Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:08:35 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <000801c18c20$0c7ac8a0$e3422041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> <000501c18c29$85ef8820$17010a0a@obwan> <001d01c18c32$b155d3d0$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> In-Reply-To: <001d01c18c32$b155d3d0$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sunday 23 December 2001 11:23 pm, you wrote: > I've set up a suse-Linux box as a web server. Problem is new files that > are created do not have proper rights properties to served why the apache > unless manually set via a telnet session. How can I set the default rights > for "all" users to rx (read and execute) and group rights for rwx for NEW > files automatically? I've been searching through man pages, but can seem > to find it. Why would you want html files to be executable? They are read by apache, not executed by bash. Though a directory needs x to grant access. Just a quick note on Apache... I've never had a rpm version work as needed so I've always ended up compiling it. Actually not hard and you get just the right. Next I also end up using shell scripts to automate things. This way I can have my servers work just the way I like it. As far as rights you can set the default new user settings by configure /etc/default/useradd /etc/security/(files) /etc/skel /etc/pam.d and so on Go through /etc/rc.config as many things are set in here on SuSE. It all depends on what you are doing with that box. How it will be used. The effort of customizing in some way makes it harder to use in some other way. I first sit down and figure out my use and what type of setup will be the best way to go. It laso has a lot to do about what kind of security is needed. As /usr/share/doc/howto/en/html_single/Config-HOWTO.html says "security is a vast subject". Also very important. Stop using telnet. Disable it on ALL servers. Change to ssh. It also replaces ftp. As you probably know mail, telnet and ftp all send the password in clear text. VERY easy to steal. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 24 08:13:39 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA06744 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:13:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA06741 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:13:39 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA00873 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:13:38 -0500 Received: from 24.95.237.134.bvl-ubr-a.cfl.rr.com by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id va194059 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:15:25 -0500 Message-ID: <004101c18c7c$bae9ea90$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <000801c18c20$0c7ac8a0$e3422041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> <000501c18c29$85ef8820$17010a0a@obwan> <001d01c18c32$b155d3d0$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> <200112241204.EAA15219@ns1.socaldns.com> Subject: [SLUG] Default access rights.... (questions from a newbie - continued) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:13:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks this will give good information on direction. What about .jsp or .php should they be granted execute rights? I am a bit embarrassed to admit that I don't fully understand Unix implementation of file security. I understand the basic (how to read it ls -lF, just not the affects of file security on other apps , such as apache.) I presume that server-side scripting would need "x" rights. Thanks for reference to the "Howto" ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] The infamous test msg (is this getting to the list? > On Sunday 23 December 2001 11:23 pm, you wrote: > > I've set up a suse-Linux box as a web server. Problem is new files that > > are created do not have proper rights properties to served why the apache > > unless manually set via a telnet session. How can I set the default rights > > for "all" users to rx (read and execute) and group rights for rwx for NEW > > files automatically? I've been searching through man pages, but can seem > > to find it. > > Why would you want html files to be executable? They are read by apache, not > executed by bash. Though a directory needs x to grant access. > > Just a quick note on Apache... > > I've never had a rpm version work as needed so I've always ended up compiling > it. Actually not hard and you get just the right. > > Next I also end up using shell scripts to automate things. This way I can > have my servers work just the way I like it. > > As far as rights you can set the default new user settings by configure > /etc/default/useradd > /etc/security/(files) > /etc/skel > /etc/pam.d > and so on > Go through /etc/rc.config as many things are set in here on SuSE. > > It all depends on what you are doing with that box. How it will be used. The > effort of customizing in some way makes it harder to use in some other way. > I first sit down and figure out my use and what type of setup will be the > best way to go. It laso has a lot to do about what kind of security is > needed. As /usr/share/doc/howto/en/html_single/Config-HOWTO.html says > "security is a vast subject". > > Also very important. Stop using telnet. Disable it on ALL servers. Change to > ssh. It also replaces ftp. As you probably know mail, telnet and ftp all send > the password in clear text. VERY easy to steal. > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 24 08:16:03 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA06766 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:16:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA06763 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:16:02 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00884 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:16:02 -0500 Received: from there (242855hfc23.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.55.23]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBODFRZ20985 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:15:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200112241315.fBODFRZ20985@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Porting VB to ansi C++ Your thoughts? Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:18:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi All I'm just getting started on a personal project to port a VB application to C++ or maybe Java. I have a simple app I developed a few years back that basically keeps track of people's name and address and then how much they donated to the charity. pretty simple one to many stuff with a few reports. Well, as a learning experience I want to port or recreate the app under linux. I've even considered asking the SLUG community if they would like to get involved. No pay but this is an incorporated charity that can provide a letter for the tax deduction of work/service donated. So let me know if you might be interested in helping. Here are some of the challenges I see I'd appreciate any input y'all have on solutions: 1. Database. - currently the app uses an MS Access mdb file. I don't know of any equivalent product under linux. Does anyone? I looked at PostgreSQL and MySql but they are too big for this app. 2. interface - I am going to have to learn how to port the interface to Qt or some other style. 3. Reports. Currently the reports are Crystal Reports. I'll need to find a report tool for linux. So let me know what you think, is there anything I missed? What other pitfalls should I look for? Regards Russ W From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 24 08:17:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA06779 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:17:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA06772 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:17:06 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00890; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:17:06 -0500 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.144.20]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011224131635.GZCX13869.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:16:35 +0000 Message-ID: <3C272BDF.EF4EDBC@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:21:35 -0500 From: "Maureen L. Thomas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.8-34.1mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SLUG , Slug_Politics Subject: [SLUG] Merry Christmas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I hope everyone has a Very Loving, Happy, Peacefull Christmas. Maureen From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 24 09:20:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA06958 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:20:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA06955 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:20:00 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com ([63.150.250.40]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01012 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:19:59 -0500 Received: from web1.mptotalcare.com (web1.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.12]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA01566 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:19:29 -0500 Received: by web1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:19:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3737B95B3158D411B9B900D0B79117B83FF937@web1> From: Matt Miller To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] Default access rights.... (questions from a newbie - c ontinued) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:19:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Grantham [mailto:pwgrant@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 8:13 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] Default access rights.... (questions from a newbie - > continued) > > Thanks this will give good information on direction. What about .jsp or > .php should they be granted execute rights? I am a bit embarrassed to > admit > that I don't fully understand Unix implementation of file security. I > understand the basic (how to read it ls -lF, just not the affects of file > security on other apps , such as apache.) I presume that server-side > scripting would need "x" rights. > > Thanks for reference to the "Howto" > as per your original question about default permissions assigned to files or folders... $ man umask From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 24 10:16:32 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA07105 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:16:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07102 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:16:31 -0500 Received: from mp3.lenseinc.com (242819hfc177.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.19.177]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01085 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:16:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (kai@localhost) by mp3.lenseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13389 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:15:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mp3.lenseinc.com: kai owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:15:51 -0500 (EST) From: Kai Lien X-Sender: kai@mp3.lenseinc.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Porting VB to ansi C++ Your thoughts? In-Reply-To: <200112241315.fBODFRZ20985@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Porting the VB App would be a great exercise. However, my suggestion would be "LAMP" since it sounds like you are going the Linux route. L == Linux A == Apache M == MySQL P == PHP The above works great with the three criteria you mentioned: database, interface, and reporting. Althought the learning curve and time maybe longer than just porting the VB app, the end result would be a great system that can be accessed from any terminal with a browser. I am willing to volunteer my time on developing such a system. Kai On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Russ Wright wrote: > Hi All > > I'm just getting started on a personal project to port a VB application to > C++ or maybe Java. > > I have a simple app I developed a few years back that basically keeps track > of people's name and address and then how much they donated to the charity. > pretty simple one to many stuff with a few reports. Well, as a learning > experience I want to port or recreate the app under linux. > > I've even considered asking the SLUG community if they would like to get > involved. No pay but this is an incorporated charity that can provide a > letter for the tax deduction of work/service donated. So let me know if you > might be interested in helping. > > Here are some of the challenges I see I'd appreciate any input y'all have on > solutions: > > 1. Database. - currently the app uses an MS Access mdb file. I don't know of > any equivalent product under linux. Does anyone? I looked at PostgreSQL and > MySql but they are too big for this app. > > 2. interface - I am going to have to learn how to port the interface to Qt or > some other style. > > 3. Reports. Currently the reports are Crystal Reports. I'll need to find a > report tool for linux. > > > So let me know what you think, is there anything I missed? 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Fortune Cookie of the Day: Two wrongs don't make a right, but they make a good excuse. -- Thomas Szasz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8J0aqztiWgzm9RMARAmuSAJ42/qAy2K2QaBRj+XRgB8XALqY9VwCgjVzf 82KeA+1Q0OP8AKV5WN/Fsog= =BLJO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 24 10:38:47 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA07158 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:38:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07155 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:38:47 -0500 Received: from ns1.socaldns.com ([216.240.135.106]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01103 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:38:46 -0500 Received: from there (242820hfc155.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.20.155]) by ns1.socaldns.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA17798 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:37:05 -0800 Message-Id: <200112241537.HAA17798@ns1.socaldns.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Default access rights.... (questions from a newbie - continued) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:41:02 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <000801c18c20$0c7ac8a0$e3422041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> <200112241204.EAA15219@ns1.socaldns.com> <004101c18c7c$bae9ea90$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> In-Reply-To: <004101c18c7c$bae9ea90$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 24 December 2001 08:13 am, you wrote: > Thanks this will give good information on direction. What about .jsp or > .php should they be granted execute rights? I am a bit embarrassed to > admit that I don't fully understand Unix implementation of file security. > I understand the basic (how to read it ls -lF, just not the affects of file > security on other apps , such as apache.) I presume that server-side > scripting would need "x" rights. > > Thanks for reference to the "Howto" > This is how you tell. What is using the file? Is it a script? If so it would have the first line; #!/bin/sh or similar, or #!/usr/bin/perl f. ex. That is saying execute with the above. Now, if you have a server that is reading your instructions, like apache, it is doing the executing. Notice a html file does not start with #!. Nor does php or jsp. Apache has the modules to know how to deal with them. It then creates web pages that are returned to the browser on the other end. Unix was intended to be open. Everything is a file. Thus allowing anything talk to anything. You can pipe the output from one into another. Basically the idea was that you'd write small programs good at doing one thing. Then take the output from that and send it to the next as needed. Basically it works except some programs can be "violated" because they have design flaws that allows others to take advantage of them and gain access not intended. F. ex. sendmail was never intended to be a anything but a proof of concept for smtp. Turns out it stuck. Quite popular. (Also long before criminals got online.) So you have this program, not really written to be used in a production environment. Which has grown and grown with many new features. Meanwhile it had internal flaws that allowed someone to gain root access through it, as sendmail was running as root. (There is a feature that allows a file (program) to be owned by one normal user but execute as root, called setuid or set user id.) The beauty with unix is that you cannot gain access unless something is listening to a port. Like Apache on port 80. It sits there waiting for a request (it can recognize) to come in on port 80. If it does - it replies. Now the more ports you listen through with different services (like ftp, telnet, mail etc.) the more programs you need to keep an eye out on in case there's a design flaw that can let a cracker (criminal hacker) through. Since that is pretty hard work you limit a server to only listen to what you need. Remember, with all the nice features you find in MS Outlook - it is a security nightmare. Too powerful. It will run all sorts of things that is being used by crackers to do ANYTHING they want to. Sorry, but HTML does not belong in e-mail due to this. It's really neat to have a program pop up and play you a video greeting or some programs you have on your harddisk through e-mail. Surprise your wife or girlfriend, or customers. But beware, it also let's most viral s/w in. Take ICQ. Great tool. Very insecure! So only allow what you can manage. Security is not understood by many. They will tell you: What do I have that they could be interested in? I don't care I have no secrets! We all have something every cracker out there wants, an identity other than his! Something to use to break into someone elses computer with. Especially those of us with permanent connections. Sitting ducks we are unless properly defended. One of the popular things to do is to leave "tools of the trade" on our computers for later use. Or a pgm set to attack (en masse) someone. This is why I NEVER EVER will support the use of MS products on the Internet. No win O/S can be defended against a man in the middle attack. (I have not tested XP yet.) When you communicate between two computers it is generally described to be a number of packets that are sent between the two. A packet is like a truck. Up front is the driver with a paper that says where he's coming from and where he's going. It also says what he is carrying. These packets has to be assembled in the proper sequence. To accomplish this a sequence number is used. It is supposed to be random so that it cannot be guessed. I tested w98, NT and W2K. They came up with a random number that went from just above 10 to around 24. On an old Linux kernel it was some 500,000. Current ones are in the millions. Try guessing that! Now once you've guessed it you can steal the traffic by pretending to be the recipient. You could simply "listen in" and forward all communication in interrupted. Or take over as the other server. Anything you typed would be known. Unless you used encryption. And the "man-in-th-middle did not know how to unravel it. Scared enough? I saw a win98se box with the latest antivirus s/w let a virus damage a computer before it was stopped. Even though it had the "correct" version to handle that virus. Unix does not let a virus damage something a user does not have the rights to. It is easier to defend and maintain due to the active community we have. That is why you always run as a user and not root for your day to day activities. Well that's a whole lot more than I intended but you kinda get going as so many things tie in, and the better concept you have the easier it is to work with it. When a great new program comes out I always find out where it's security allows it to be used. Anyho, dive into the HOWTO's and if you have any specifics I'll try to answer you. Steve From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 24 11:31:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA07306 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:31:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA07303 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:31:03 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01185 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:31:03 -0500 Received: from there (242855hfc23.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.55.23]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBOGUWW10885; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:30:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200112241630.fBOGUWW10885@smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net, Kai Lien Subject: Re: [SLUG] Porting VB to ansi C++ Your thoughts? Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:33:46 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Kai Thanks for your input. I would appreciate the help. One thing, this is a stand alone app run on 1 or maybe 2 computers, not a lot of volume. The web interface sounds good, however, will this be too big for just a couple of "home" users on a simple peer to peer network? Regards Russ W On Monday 24 December 2001 10:15, Kai Lien wrote: > Porting the VB App would be a great exercise. However, my suggestion would > be "LAMP" since it sounds like you are going the Linux route. > > L == Linux > A == Apache > M == MySQL > P == PHP > > The above works great with the three criteria you mentioned: database, > interface, and reporting. Althought the learning curve and time maybe > longer than just porting the VB app, the end result would be a great > system that can be accessed from any terminal with a browser. > > I am willing to volunteer my time on developing such a system. > > Kai > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 24 10:52:15 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA07196 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:52:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07193 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:52:14 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01126 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:52:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBOFpls03421 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:51:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:51:42 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Porting VB to ansi C++ Your thoughts? In-Reply-To: <200112241315.fBODFRZ20985@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Russ Wright wrote: > I'm just getting started on a personal project to port a VB application to > C++ or maybe Java. ... you _really_ need to look at and use the 'glade' package -- it is VB devel environment, for the glib/gtk++ toolkit (which is essentially an open source VB) already mature and running. -- Russ Herrold From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 24 10:52:24 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA07202 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:52:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07198 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:52:24 -0500 Received: from glennmeyer.com (dt142nf5.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.194.245]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01125 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:52:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by glennmeyer.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBOFphP30240 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:51:43 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glenn Meyer Organization: Glenn Meyer To: "Slug" Subject: [SLUG] Easier Reading of Linux Firewall Logs Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:42:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01122410423008.19143@gtm1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I am trying to build a simple Perl script to make my firewall logs easier to read. In doing so, I realized that I really don't understand the information in the log very well. I am hoping someone can point me to a reference or perhaps give a simple explanation of either what I am seeing or what I need to watch out for. For example... I am using IPTables on RH7.1 kernel 2.4.3-12 and block/log all incoming/outside-initiated connections except ports 22, 25, and 80. I am seeing log data like this... Dec 23 04:07:03 fire kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:a0:cc:51:a5:c9:08:00:3e:13:19:ab:08:00 SRC=24.92.216.37 DST=24.92.194.245 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=123 ID=23966 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=21560 DPT=139 WINDOW=16384 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 Dec 23 06:56:46 fire kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:a0:cc:51:a5:c9:08:00:3e:13:19:ab:08:00 SRC=65.32.1.66 DST=24.92.194.245 LEN=329 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=251 ID=61735 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=67 DPT=68 LEN=309 We can skip the Date, Time, Hostname (fire), Source (kernel), IN=eth0, OUT= .... I understand those alright. MAC=00:a0:cc:51:a5:c9:08:00:3e:13:19:ab:08:00 is always the same and the first 12 digits do match my card's Mac - but what are all of the trailing digits (16 of them)? SRC=Source IP Address. DST=My IP Address. SPT=Source Port. DPT=Destination Port. PROTO=TCP, UDP or ICMP. Those I understand. Here is the parts I DON'T understand... LEN=somenumber - assume it is packet length?? Changes. TOS=0x00 - not a clue - almost always the same - rarely changes PREC=0x00 - not a clue - almost always the same - rarely changes TTL=251 - I'm assuming this is a Time to Live number, but how is it helpful? ID=61735 - not a clue - looks like it is never the same. Thanks for your info. Learning more everyday. Glenn. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 24 12:37:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA07530 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:37:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA07527 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:37:29 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01359 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:37:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBOHb1s26814 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:37:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:36:56 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: Slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] Easier Reading of Linux Firewall Logs In-Reply-To: <01122410423008.19143@gtm1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug see: logwatch http://www.kaybee.org/~kirk/html/linux.html all you need do is update the filters... On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Glenn Meyer wrote: > I am trying to build a simple Perl script to make my firewall logs easier to > read. In doing so, I realized that I really don't understand the information From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 24 12:05:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA07446 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:05:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA07443 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:05:48 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01313 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:05:48 -0500 Received: from there (242855hfc23.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.55.23]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBOH5HZ02374; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:05:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200112241705.fBOH5HZ02374@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net, R P Herrold Subject: Re: [SLUG] Porting VB to ansi C++ Your thoughts? Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:08:31 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Russ H Hi I looked at the Glade and yes it does look alot like good ol' VB3. However it also looks like the development language is C. WOuld I be limiting myself by using C instead of C++? Have you ever used GLADE? Russ W On Monday 24 December 2001 10:51, R P Herrold wrote: > On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Russ Wright wrote: > > I'm just getting started on a personal project to port a VB application > > to C++ or maybe Java. > > ... you _really_ need to look at and use the 'glade' package > -- it is VB devel environment, for the glib/gtk++ toolkit > (which is essentially an open source VB) already mature and > running. > > -- Russ Herrold From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 24 12:57:11 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA07596 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:57:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA07593 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:57:10 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01387 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:57:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBOHufs29090; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:56:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:56:36 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: Russ Wright cc: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Porting VB to ansi C++ Your thoughts? In-Reply-To: <200112241705.fBOH5HZ02374@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Russ Wright wrote: > Hi I looked at the Glade and yes it does look alot like good ol' VB3. > However it also looks like the development language is C. WOuld I be > limiting myself by using C instead of C++? Have you ever used GLADE? No. The hooks on the GTK api are C++ as well, and Python and perl -- callbacks are used extensively, as in OO design -- inheritence, encapsulation, and so on. The code is autoconf/ automake/ libtool ready. Yes. Slicker than snot ... lightning fast prototyping. Every think VB promised, but got bogged down in supporting the Windows construct. see also: If these links don't make you fire up X and try a test drive in glade, I don;t know what will ... http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/gnome-glade/ http://www.ofset.org/projects/doc/doc.html and http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/July2000/article160.shtml -------------------------- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 24 13:14:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA07640 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:14:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA07637 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:14:45 -0500 Received: from marlborough.cnchost.com (marlborough.concentric.net [207.155.248.14]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01431 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:14:44 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by marlborough.cnchost.com id NAA28613; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:14:13 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16IZnD-0002e3-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:25:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:25:32 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Porting VB to ansi C++ Your thoughts? Message-ID: <20011224132532.A9842@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <200112241315.fBODFRZ20985@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200112241315.fBODFRZ20985@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com>; from rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com on Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 08:18:41AM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 08:18:41AM -0500, Russ Wright wrote: > > 1. Database. - currently the app uses an MS Access mdb file. I don't know of > any equivalent product under linux. Does anyone? I looked at PostgreSQL and > MySql but they are too big for this app. > Although you probably won't go this way, I'll point out some lightweight database products. All are free (beer). 1. db. This is the Sleepycat product, very mature, widely used, stable and currently under development. It doesn't care what you put in your records, so when you get the data out of the database, you have to interpret it yourself; to db, a record is just a featureless chunk of data. 2. xBase. This is a fairly mature product on SourceForge that emulates dBase/Clipper/FoxPro functionality, without having to use those programs. This is a C library, so you have to build C code around it. 3. Typhoon. Stable, but no longer in active development. Data files with your choice of C datatypes, and separate index files. The functions that come with Typhoon are similar in flavor to what you'd get in an xBase product. That is, it is _not_ SQL. I don't know how good Typhoon is with multi-user scenarios. 4. NoSQL. This is a sort of clone of the /rdb product. RDB is written in Perl. The guy who wrote NoSQL rewrote a lot of the /rdb programs in sed and awk to make them more lightweight. He also slightly changed the structure of /rdb files. This is an actively developed product that uses pipes and I/O redirection to manipulate data. The data is in flat text files with tab-delimited variable-length records and a header. Index files are available as needed. Of course, as the name implies, this is _not_ a SQL product. 5. SQLite. This _is_ a SQL product that stores all data from various tables in one file, with any indexing information. It has C hooks, and is similar to interfacing with PostgreSQL and MySQL in programs. It is not, to my knowledge, client-server, so I don't know how well it does with multi-user. Also has command line utility similar to PostgreSQL's psql. As regards getting the data out of mdb and into something else, you should be able to export it as comma- or tab-delimited, and then suck it up using something else. PostgreSQL will eat this data with little massaging, I believe. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 24 14:04:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA07772 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:04:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA07769 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:04:04 -0500 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01528 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:04:04 -0500 Received: from user-33qts45.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.240.133] helo=localhost.localdomain) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16IaNl-0004Jv-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:03:29 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: diane To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Merry Christmas Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 02:08:16 -0900 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01122402081600.01231@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year To all I hope 2002 is a better one then this year was lol Have a great Christmas and Bill and myself we see you all next year. Diana From owner-slug-track29 Tue Dec 25 13:01:27 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA11231 for slug-track29; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:01:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA11228 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:01:27 -0500 Received: from ns1.socaldns.com ([216.240.135.106]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03601 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:01:26 -0500 Received: from there (242820hfc155.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.20.155]) by ns1.socaldns.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA06300 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:59:45 -0800 Message-Id: <200112251759.JAA06300@ns1.socaldns.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Default access rights.... (questions from a newbie - continued) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:03:45 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <000801c18c20$0c7ac8a0$e3422041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> <200112241204.EAA15219@ns1.socaldns.com> <004101c18c7c$bae9ea90$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> In-Reply-To: <004101c18c7c$bae9ea90$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 24 December 2001 08:13 am, you wrote: > Thanks this will give good information on direction. What about .jsp or > .php should they be granted execute rights? I am a bit embarrassed to > admit that I don't fully understand Unix implementation of file security. > I understand the basic (how to read it ls -lF, just not the affects of file > security on other apps , such as apache.) I presume that server-side > scripting would need "x" rights. > Looking through apache from SuSE I noticed that you also need to turn of SSI by commenting out the lines 504 - 506 in: /etc/httpd/httpd.conf These are turned on for the demo pages but should be off (unless you need SSI, which is not recommended on a public server for security reasons). Steve P.S. Thanks Matt, for umask which I missed to answer! : ) From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 26 09:39:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA14371 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:39:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA14368 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:39:58 -0500 Received: from web12504.mail.yahoo.com (web12504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.196]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA05418 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:39:58 -0500 Message-ID: <20011226143927.12250.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.35.252.12] by web12504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 06:39:27 PST Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 06:39:27 -0800 (PST) From: ter swartz Subject: Re: [SLUG] Easier Reading of Linux Firewall Logs To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <01122410423008.19143@gtm1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Only one I am certain of is TTL..Time to live. Purpose is so that packets that do not have a proper destination "die". http://www.webopedia.com/Networks/ Sometimes helps. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 26 10:45:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14544 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:45:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14541 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:45:54 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05518 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:45:54 -0500 Received: (qmail 15725 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 15:45:23 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 15:45:23 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:45:20 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] NTP problems Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:46:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200112251759.JAA06300@ns1.socaldns.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Gotta be a reason that I am being plagued with NTP problems. It is not keeping my time on my server up to date!! I have my ntp.conf file with the following: server 192.168.x.x:8000 (firewall) driftfile /etc/ntp/ntp.drift In my drift file all I have is one line: 0.000 my permissions on the drift file are 644. root access only. Shouldn't ntp be updating the drift file to keep the clock in sync with the firewall? The drift file never changes from 0.000 and the clock needs to be reset every few days as it looses about a minute a day. Michael C Rock From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 26 11:04:43 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA14621 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:04:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14618 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:04:42 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05577 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:04:42 -0500 Received: from aeon.vmlinux.com (653293hfc166.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.93.166]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBQG4BW01926 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:04:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:04:11 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Braman X-Sender: aeon@aeon.vmlinux.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] NTP problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Mikes work account wrote: > Shouldn't ntp be updating the drift file to keep the clock in sync > with the firewall? The drift file never changes from 0.000 and the > clock needs to be reset every few days as it looses about a minute a > day. The NTP server (assuming you are using xntpd) won't monitor the clock unless it's within a few seconds already. If the server starts and the clock is already too far out of sync it won't work at all regardless of what you do afterwards. Best bet is to run ntpdate to sync it once then start the server. After a few minutes (give it 5 or so) you can run "/usr/sbin/ntpq -n" and type in the commands "pe" and "as" to see what's going on. You should see that it can contact the firewall and acknowledges that it's a peer if everything's working okay. Remember... /etc/rc.d/init.d/xntpd stop /usr/sbin/ntpdate (firewall IP) /etc/rc.d/init.d/xntpd start (wait a few minutes) /usr/sbin/ntpq -n (type in both "pe" and "as") (CTRL-D to exit) You should see something like... ntpq> pe remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset disp ==================================================================== *192.168.13.1 130.207.244.240 2 u 20 64 377 0.46 1.089 2.70 ntpq> as ind assID status conf reach auth condition last_event cnt =========================================================== 1 58108 96f4 yes yes none sys.peer reachable 15 ntpq> ...if everything's working well. Paul Braman aeon@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 26 13:34:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA14962 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:34:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14959 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:34:20 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA06298 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:34:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 21700 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 18:33:48 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 18:33:48 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:33:47 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] NTP problems Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:34:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Paul: all I get when I enter pe is: No associated ID's found. the docs I have on ntp are shetchy. there are not man or info pages available. I will try google and see if I can get more information. Michael Michael -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Paul Braman Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 11:04 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] NTP problems On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Mikes work account wrote: > Shouldn't ntp be updating the drift file to keep the clock in sync > with the firewall? The drift file never changes from 0.000 and the > clock needs to be reset every few days as it looses about a minute a > day. The NTP server (assuming you are using xntpd) won't monitor the clock unless it's within a few seconds already. If the server starts and the clock is already too far out of sync it won't work at all regardless of what you do afterwards. Best bet is to run ntpdate to sync it once then start the server. After a few minutes (give it 5 or so) you can run "/usr/sbin/ntpq -n" and type in the commands "pe" and "as" to see what's going on. You should see that it can contact the firewall and acknowledges that it's a peer if everything's working okay. Remember... /etc/rc.d/init.d/xntpd stop /usr/sbin/ntpdate (firewall IP) /etc/rc.d/init.d/xntpd start (wait a few minutes) /usr/sbin/ntpq -n (type in both "pe" and "as") (CTRL-D to exit) You should see something like... ntpq> pe remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset disp ==================================================================== *192.168.13.1 130.207.244.240 2 u 20 64 377 0.46 1.089 2.70 ntpq> as ind assID status conf reach auth condition last_event cnt =========================================================== 1 58108 96f4 yes yes none sys.peer reachable 15 ntpq> ....if everything's working well. Paul Braman aeon@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 26 14:23:54 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA15097 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:23:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA15094 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:23:53 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06743 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:23:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBQJNRs13719 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:23:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:23:22 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] NTP problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Mikes work account wrote: > Paul: > > all I get when I enter pe is: No associated ID's found. > > the docs I have on ntp are shetchy. there are not man or info pages > available. I will try google and see if I can get more information. ??? which distribution ? The udel site is comprehensive, and they include full docs (now in HTML form) with the package? http://www.cis.udel.edu/~ntp -- Russ Herrold From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 26 14:42:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA15142 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:42:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA15139 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:42:46 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06773 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:42:45 -0500 Received: from aeon.vmlinux.com (653293hfc166.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.93.166]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBQJgF214659 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:42:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:42:14 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Braman X-Sender: aeon@aeon.vmlinux.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] NTP problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Mikes work account wrote: > all I get when I enter pe is: No associated ID's found. > > the docs I have on ntp are shetchy. there are not man or info pages > available. I will try google and see if I can get more information. This usually means you have a configuration problem. Consider, the "server" line usually takes a name instead of an IP. If your firewall's hostname is, say, "firewall-a": server firewall-a instead of server Try this change and see what happens. I'm almost certain xntpd will spew some messages to /var/log/messages when it comes up. Look in there and see if you spot an error. Paul Braman aeon@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 26 15:30:50 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA15280 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:30:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA15277 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:30:50 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA07025 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:30:49 -0500 Received: (qmail 4395 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2001 20:30:18 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2001 20:30:18 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:30:15 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] NTP problems Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:30:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does the fact that I am using ntpd and not xntpd make a difference? Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Paul Braman Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 2:42 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] NTP problems On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Mikes work account wrote: > all I get when I enter pe is: No associated ID's found. > > the docs I have on ntp are shetchy. there are not man or info pages > available. I will try google and see if I can get more information. This usually means you have a configuration problem. Consider, the "server" line usually takes a name instead of an IP. If your firewall's hostname is, say, "firewall-a": server firewall-a instead of server Try this change and see what happens. I'm almost certain xntpd will spew some messages to /var/log/messages when it comes up. Look in there and see if you spot an error. Paul Braman aeon@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29 Wed Dec 26 16:30:09 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA15417 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:30:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA15414 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:30:09 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09634 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:30:08 -0500 Received: from aeon.vmlinux.com (653293hfc166.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.93.166]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBQLTW304473 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:29:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:29:32 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Braman X-Sender: aeon@aeon.vmlinux.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] NTP problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Mikes work account wrote: > Does the fact that I am using ntpd and not xntpd make a difference? It might. I can't honestly say what might be the difference. You can check /usr/doc for any documentation that might have been installed with the software. Maybe that can point you at the best information. (Remember to check /var/log/messages and see if there's any hints there.) Paul Braman aeon@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 27 04:07:10 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA17299 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 04:07:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA17296 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 04:07:09 -0500 Received: from femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.22]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA11180 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 04:07:09 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011227090638.OTPC2213.femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 01:06:38 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Easier Reading of Linux Firewall Logs Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 04:05:59 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01122410423008.19143@gtm1> In-Reply-To: <01122410423008.19143@gtm1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0112270405590A.10214@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 24 December 2001 10:42, you wrote: > ID=61735 - not a clue - looks like it is never the same. > > Thanks for your info. Learning more everyday. > Glenn. Packet ID for reassembly? (don't shoot!, don't shoot! ... it's only a guess!) Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1187256 358096 0 349820 551332 Swap: 401584 0 401584 Total: 1946936 1187256 759680 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 4:04am up 7 days, 2:07, 2 users, load average: 0.20, 0.19, 0.08 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 27 08:53:24 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA18236 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:53:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA18232 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:53:24 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (242829hfc118.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.29.118]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11997 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:53:23 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (localhost.mat [127.0.0.1]) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id fBRDoEKv006554 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:50:14 -0500 Received: (from billt@localhost) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) id fBRDoE0i006552 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:50:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:50:14 -0500 From: Bill Triplett To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Easier Reading of Linux Firewall Logs Message-ID: <20011227135014.GA6470@fourier.mat> References: <01122410423008.19143@gtm1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01122410423008.19143@gtm1> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 10:42:30AM -0500, Glenn Meyer wrote: > I am trying to build a simple Perl script to make my firewall logs easier to > read. In doing so, I realized that I really don't understand the information > in the log very well. I am hoping someone can point me to a reference or > perhaps give a simple explanation of either what I am seeing or what I need > to watch out for. Here is some info about the log format: http://logi.cc/linux/netfilter-log-format.php3 Good luck... From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 27 09:40:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA18411 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:40:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA18408 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:40:46 -0500 Received: from viking.fortresstech.com (router.fortresstech.com [207.87.233.66] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12159 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:40:45 -0500 From: bfoxworth@fortresstech.com Received: by vikinga.fortresstech.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:43:28 -0500 Message-ID: <60C9F43DF275D51196F3000102550D5F017C86@vikinga.fortresstech.com> To: slug@nks.net Cc: bfoxworth@fortresstech.com Subject: RE: [SLUG] NTP problems Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:43:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On the ntp question, I sent a reply (which went to "slug@nks.net" ) but it never appeared back to me from the list server, yesterday about 4 pm. Usually when I send myself a :cc it gets posted. This time I did Not :cc myself. So I have to paraphrase it.. since I assume no one saw it. Murphy's law, etc Basically my question concerns the assumption that the client was trying to get ntp services from the firewall. That is how I read the original post. I never saw it mentioned that the firewall was running the ntp server process. To do this, it would have to be peered with a higher stratum server somewhere else. I believe generally it is not good policy to run other server daemons on firewalls, for vulnerability reasons (logging into or connecting to firewalls over a net conenction is not a great idea). You should run the ntp server on another machine, just behind the firewall so all your local clients can reach it, then just set the firewall to pass port 123. The only reason to have your own ntp server is when you have many clients in your shop, all of whom have to be sync'ed, and you don't want all these requests flooding out over your net connection. If you have just one or a few machines, choose a publicly-available ntp server like "ntp.css.gov" or "tick.usno.navy.mil" and get your service from him. All the literature at, I think it still is at "louie.udel.edu" should explain that. Someone mentoned that point yesterday. To get back to the original question here, (1) confirm that the firewall machine IS intended to offer ntp services to your requesting client, and (2) if so, that the server on your firewall (probably stratum-3) is correctly peering with a stratum-2 server somewhere else on the net. Get a network sniffer on your local machine connection and see if the request is going out, and to who, and see if it is being answered by anyone. Trying to debug this without a sniffer (ethereal, etc) is just insane. Bob F > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Braman [SMTP:aeon@tampabay.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 16:30 > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: RE: [SLUG] NTP problems > > > On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Mikes work account wrote: > > > Does the fact that I am using ntpd and not xntpd make a difference? > > It might. I can't honestly say what might be the difference. > > You can check /usr/doc for any documentation that might have been > installed with the software. Maybe that can point you at the best > information. (Remember to check /var/log/messages and see if there's any > hints there.) > > > Paul Braman > aeon@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 27 10:17:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA18514 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:17:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA18511 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:17:48 -0500 Received: from glennmeyer.com (dt142nf5.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.194.245]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12214 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:17:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by glennmeyer.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBRFHMp01766 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:17:22 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glenn Meyer Organization: Glenn Meyer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Easier Reading of Linux Firewall Logs Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:17:18 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01122410423008.19143@gtm1> <20011227135014.GA6470@fourier.mat> In-Reply-To: <20011227135014.GA6470@fourier.mat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01122710171800.00554@gtm1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thank you all for your responses. This one was especially helpful! > Here is some info about the log format: > > http://logi.cc/linux/netfilter-log-format.php3 > > Good luck... From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 27 15:54:26 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA19448 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:54:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA19445 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:54:25 -0500 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13174 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:54:24 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 20:53:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3C2B8CB2.EF13A777@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:03:46 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] Is it possible ? web site video viewer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Is it possible to get Linux with Netscape,Opera or Mozilla to play streaming video from a site that offers downloads in Realplayer,Quicktime or Windows media format? I can't seem to get the realplayer to work with Redhat 7.1 Damn I gave up Word to use Linux and now it looks like I may have to give up viewing streaming video also. :( Mike M. -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:26:23 -0500 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13274 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:26:22 -0500 Received: from user-2ivelqn.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.87.87] helo=roblimo.com) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Ji2B-0004Rl-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:25:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3C2B9120.9020705@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:22:40 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is it possible ? web site video viewer References: <3C2B8CB2.EF13A777@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Is it possible to get Linux with Netscape,Opera or Mozilla to play > streaming video from a site that offers downloads in > Realplayer,Quicktime or Windows media format? I can't seem to get the > realplayer to work with Redhat 7.1 I have Realplayer working fine with NN 4.78, Moz 9.4 and NN 6.2 in Mandrake, and have friends who have it working in RH. You can get a $20 Wine extension called "crossover" that'll play QT in Linux, too. And Shockwave -- beyond the standard Flash plugin. > Damn I gave up Word to use Linux and now it looks like I may have to > give up viewing streaming video also. :( Anybody in SLUG got openoffice or StarOffice 6 beta on CDs? I don't have a CD burner... Would like to move to one of them myself even though I have never had Word. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 27 16:33:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA19583 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:33:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA19580 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:33:55 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13323 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:33:54 -0500 Received: from newcomputer (653267hfc235.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.235]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBRLXOW06264 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:33:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000601c18f1e$4c8a2fc0$eb432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is it possible ? web site video viewer Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:34:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug You can use real player for linux, also you can play shock wave multimedia as well with plugins. The only thing I have not been able to get playing under linux for streaming is asf or asx which is Microsoft's streaming multimedia. Also I believe that apple is making a version of QuickTime player that will work under Linux. For playing Streaming Mp3 audio you can use Xmms Also there is plugins for XMMS to play mpg. There is also a version of Music Match for Linux which is the Windows version running under wine. Also if you are looking for something try sourceforge good place to look and as well as google. Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Manchester To: slug Date: Thursday, December 27, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: [SLUG] Is it possible ? web site video viewer >Is it possible to get Linux with Netscape,Opera or Mozilla to play >streaming video from a site that offers downloads in >Realplayer,Quicktime or Windows media format? I can't seem to get the >realplayer to work with Redhat 7.1 > >Damn I gave up Word to use Linux and now it looks like I may have to >give up viewing streaming video also. :( As for giving up word why not try to use star office, or open office? Also Abi Word is getting better and you can also use koffice. Look around you will find most stuff you do with windows has a linux and open source alternative! >Mike M. >-- >perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<c496e657870225f636b6371202d49636f62737f6664702355736b637 >12a0 >RM > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 27 16:27:23 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA19537 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:27:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA19534 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:27:22 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com ([63.150.250.40]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13281 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:27:22 -0500 Received: from rufus.mptotalcare.com (rufus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.21]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA04956 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:26:52 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by rufus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA21605 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:26:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rufus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is it possible ? web site video viewer From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <3C2B8CB2.EF13A777@yahoo.com> References: <3C2B8CB2.EF13A777@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 27 Dec 2001 16:26:51 -0500 Message-Id: <1009488411.1078.5.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2001-12-27 at 16:03, Mike Manchester wrote: > Is it possible to get Linux with Netscape,Opera or Mozilla to play > streaming video from a site that offers downloads in > Realplayer,Quicktime or Windows media format? I can't seem to get the > realplayer to work with Redhat 7.1 > > Damn I gave up Word to use Linux and now it looks like I may have to > give up viewing streaming video also. :( > > Mike M. Mike, You should see a pluginstall.sh file in the install directory of RealPlayer (for me it is located in ~/RealPlayer8/). By default running this script installs the plugin files in ~/.netscape/plugins/, but I since I am running Netscape 6.2, I manually copied the two files referenced in the script -- rpnp.so and raclass.zip -- to the /usr/local/bin/netscape/plugins directory. Works like a charm. In Opera, I believe there is a plugins' location option in the preferences where it allows you to add directories to search for plugins. I don't have Opera installed on this computer, so I can't direct you to the exact location. Matt From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 27 17:36:40 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA19811 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:36:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA19808 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:36:39 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13530 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:36:39 -0500 Received: from newcomputer (653267hfc235.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.235]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBRMa8325281 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:36:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000601c18f27$102f0ce0$eb432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is it possible ? web site video viewer Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:37:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey Rob, I can burn Star Office 6.0 on cd for you ! Will make a cd for you tonight. See Ya, Bill Preece -----Original Message----- From: Robin (Roblimo) Miller To: slug@nks.net Date: Thursday, December 27, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is it possible ? web site video viewer > > >> Is it possible to get Linux with Netscape,Opera or Mozilla to play >> streaming video from a site that offers downloads in >> Realplayer,Quicktime or Windows media format? I can't seem to get the >> realplayer to work with Redhat 7.1 > > >I have Realplayer working fine with NN 4.78, Moz 9.4 and NN 6.2 in >Mandrake, and have friends who have it working in RH. > >You can get a $20 Wine extension called "crossover" that'll play QT in >Linux, too. And Shockwave -- beyond the standard Flash plugin. > > >> Damn I gave up Word to use Linux and now it looks like I may have to >> give up viewing streaming video also. :( > > >Anybody in SLUG got openoffice or StarOffice 6 beta on CDs? I don't have >a CD burner... Would like to move to one of them myself even though I >have never had Word. > >- Robin > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 27 19:52:49 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA20274 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:52:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA20271 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:52:48 -0500 Received: from bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.72]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13858 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:52:48 -0500 Received: from louise (A020-0959.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.85.197]) by bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id fBS0pw916098 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:51:58 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c18f3a$7df57d00$021ba8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <000801c18c20$0c7ac8a0$e3422041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> <200112241204.EAA15219@ns1.socaldns.com> <004101c18c7c$bae9ea90$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> <200112251759.JAA06300@ns1.socaldns.com> Subject: [SLUG] Chap-Secrets Reject Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:54:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug After I found that the firewall was working so well we couldn't tell if it worked, then I have been able to use kppp to dial into an isp and it all works fine.... EXCEPT when following Chapters 15 to 18 to automate the connection. http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO/index.html Here is the chap-secrets file (with the names changed) # Secrets for authentication using CHAP # client server secret IP addresses "user@isp.net" * "Test$" So, here is the pppd.log when this is used. Notice the line (8) with: sent [LCP ConfRej ... the local system is rejecting? Serial connection established. using channel 2 Using interface ppp0 Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1 sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 ] rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 ] sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x1 ] rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x1] sent [LCP TermAck id=0x1] sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 ] sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 ] sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 ] Hangup (SIGHUP) Modem hangup Connection terminated. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 27 22:44:21 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA20735 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:44:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA20732 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:44:21 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14183 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:44:20 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBS3hnO01113 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:43:50 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:43:12 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: [SLUG] Mail FROM change Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm using Debian. When I mail something like this: mail john.doe@yahoo.com as root. It looks like this in receiver's box: FROM: root How do I make it say my name instead of root?. Like this: Mario Lombardo I know it's my mail setup because it happens with receiving accounts that aren't customized. My mail gets sent through exim, and that's all I know about mail stuff. Mario From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 27 22:44:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA20730 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:44:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA20727 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:44:17 -0500 Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14181 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:44:17 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-161.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.161] helo=localhost) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Jnvu-0005wj-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:43:46 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16Jnvr-0002Ib-00 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:43:43 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is it possible ? web site video viewer Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:43:43 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <000601c18f1e$4c8a2fc0$eb432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <000601c18f1e$4c8a2fc0$eb432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Real player works just fine for me on my PowerPC-debian distro. Interesting that Apple is working on a Linux version of Quicktime. That has got to be a rumor. Would be for PowerPC only? Certainly not for Intel. ;-) Russell Hires On Thursday 27 December 2001 04:34 pm, you wrote: > You can use real player for linux, also you can play shock wave multimedia > as well with plugins. > The only thing I have not been able to get playing under linux for > streaming is asf or asx which > is Microsoft's streaming multimedia. > > Also I believe that apple is making a version of QuickTime player that will > work > under Linux. > > For playing Streaming Mp3 audio you can use Xmms > Also there is plugins for XMMS to play mpg. > > There is also a version of Music Match for Linux which is the Windows > version running under wine. > > Also if you are looking for something try sourceforge good place to look > and as well as google. > > Hope this helps. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Manchester > To: slug > Date: Thursday, December 27, 2001 3:54 PM > Subject: [SLUG] Is it possible ? web site video viewer > > >Is it possible to get Linux with Netscape,Opera or Mozilla to play > >streaming video from a site that offers downloads in > >Realplayer,Quicktime or Windows media format? I can't seem to get the > >realplayer to work with Redhat 7.1 > > > >Damn I gave up Word to use Linux and now it looks like I may have to > >give up viewing streaming video also. :( > > As for giving up word why not try to use star office, or open office? > Also Abi Word is getting better and you can also use koffice. > > Look around you will find most stuff you do with windows has a linux and > open source alternative! > > >Mike M. > >-- > >perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'< >c496e657870225f636b6371202d49636f62737f6664702355736b637 > >12a0 > >RM > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 27 23:42:50 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA20884 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:42:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA20881 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:42:50 -0500 Received: from out007pub.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14272 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:42:50 -0500 Received: from prometheus.gte.net (6534103hfc75.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.103.75]) by out007pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id fBS4gJq10278 Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:42:19 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011227234051.0254c340@mail.gte.net> X-Sender: vt1@mail.gte.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:42:18 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: VT Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is it possible ? web site video viewer In-Reply-To: <3C2B9120.9020705@roblimo.com> References: <3C2B8CB2.EF13A777@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug At 04:22 PM 12/27/01 -0500, you wrote: >>Is it possible to get Linux with Netscape,Opera or Mozilla to play >>streaming video from a site that offers downloads in >>Realplayer,Quicktime or Windows media format? I can't seem to get the >>realplayer to work with Redhat 7.1 > > >I have Realplayer working fine with NN 4.78, Moz 9.4 and NN 6.2 in >Mandrake, and have friends who have it working in RH. > >You can get a $20 Wine extension called "crossover" that'll play QT in >Linux, too. And Shockwave -- beyond the standard Flash plugin. > > >>Damn I gave up Word to use Linux and now it looks like I may have to >>give up viewing streaming video also. :( > > >Anybody in SLUG got openoffice or StarOffice 6 beta on CDs? I don't have a >CD burner... Would like to move to one of them myself even though I have >never had Word. > >- Robin I just read that the newest version of MPlayer will run QT now. I unfortunatly don't have the article in front of me to offer the URL. VT From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 27 23:46:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA20906 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:46:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA20903 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:46:43 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14292 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:46:43 -0500 Received: from newcomputer (653267hfc235.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.235]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBS4kDW09916 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:46:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001e01c18f5a$c1d3db00$eb432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is it possible ? web site video viewer Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:47:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug russell well they make a quick time for windows on intel platform ? but who knows 8) -----Original Message----- From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Date: Thursday, December 27, 2001 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is it possible ? web site video viewer >Real player works just fine for me on my PowerPC-debian distro. Interesting >that Apple is working on a Linux version of Quicktime. That has got to be a >rumor. Would be for PowerPC only? Certainly not for Intel. ;-) > >Russell Hires >On Thursday 27 December 2001 04:34 pm, you wrote: >> You can use real player for linux, also you can play shock wave multimedia >> as well with plugins. >> The only thing I have not been able to get playing under linux for >> streaming is asf or asx which >> is Microsoft's streaming multimedia. >> >> Also I believe that apple is making a version of QuickTime player that will >> work >> under Linux. >> >> For playing Streaming Mp3 audio you can use Xmms >> Also there is plugins for XMMS to play mpg. >> >> There is also a version of Music Match for Linux which is the Windows >> version running under wine. >> >> Also if you are looking for something try sourceforge good place to look >> and as well as google. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mike Manchester >> To: slug >> Date: Thursday, December 27, 2001 3:54 PM >> Subject: [SLUG] Is it possible ? web site video viewer >> >> >Is it possible to get Linux with Netscape,Opera or Mozilla to play >> >streaming video from a site that offers downloads in >> >Realplayer,Quicktime or Windows media format? I can't seem to get the >> >realplayer to work with Redhat 7.1 >> > >> >Damn I gave up Word to use Linux and now it looks like I may have to >> >give up viewing streaming video also. :( >> >> As for giving up word why not try to use star office, or open office? >> Also Abi Word is getting better and you can also use koffice. >> >> Look around you will find most stuff you do with windows has a linux and >> open source alternative! >> >> >Mike M. >> >-- >> >perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<> >c496e657870225f636b6371202d49636f62737f6664702355736b637 >> >12a0 >> >RM >> > >> >_________________________________________________________ >> >Do You Yahoo!? >> >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Thu Dec 27 23:57:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA20939 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:57:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA20936 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:57:59 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14322 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:57:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBS4vYs06635 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:57:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:57:29 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: Slug List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is it possible ? web site video viewer In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011227234051.0254c340@mail.gte.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, VT wrote: > I just read that the newest version of MPlayer will run QT now. I > unfortunatly don't have the article in front of me to offer the URL. Joe Barr ran a column in the last couple of weeks. MPlayer builds fine on stock Red Hat 7.2 and KDE; gnome should make no difference -- I'll test in a moment -- and runs fine as well -- despite the author's venom to the contrary. See: http://www.herrold.com/snapshot7.png -- the clip running is from The Register's Salmon Days series. I've been dinking with xawtv -- I'll set up a screenshot in a moment. -- Russ Herrold From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 28 00:28:54 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA21037 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:28:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA21034 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:28:53 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14416 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:28:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBS5SSs14260 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:28:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:28:23 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: Slug List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is it possible ? web site video viewer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, R P Herrold wrote: > See: http://www.herrold.com/2001_12_28_001339_shot.jpg -- > this clip running is also from The Register's Salmon Days series. This is in a Gnome environment. Also running later was xawtv, with a feed of Letterman with Mayor Guliani a couple of minutes ago -- snapshot at: http://www.herrold.com/snapshot2.png -- Russ Herrold From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 28 00:38:16 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA21073 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:38:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA21070 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:38:15 -0500 Received: from sheffield.cnchost.com (sheffield.concentric.net [207.155.252.12]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14445 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:38:15 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by sheffield.cnchost.com id AAA08081; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:37:37 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16Jpi4-0008V1-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:37:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:37:26 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail FROM change Message-ID: <20011228003726.B32608@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from mario@alienscience.com on Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 10:43:12PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 10:43:12PM -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > I'm using Debian. When I mail something like this: mail john.doe@yahoo.com > > as root. It looks like this in receiver's box: FROM: root > > > How do I make it say my name instead of root?. > Like this: Mario Lombardo > > I know it's my mail setup because it happens with receiving accounts > that aren't customized. My mail gets sent through exim, and that's > all I know about mail stuff. > I could be wrong, but I believe you need to change this in your /etc/passwd file. As far as I know, MUA's suck up the name of the sender from their user record, which is in the /etc/passwd file, fifth field, if I'm not mistaken. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 28 07:35:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA22358 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:35:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA22355 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:35:42 -0500 Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15637 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:35:41 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096DC1C3ABD for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 04:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id D27983ECC; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 04:35:10 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 04:35:10 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] modems X-Originating-Ip: [192.76.86.65] Message-Id: <20011228123510.D27983ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Can anyone point me to a good place to buy a 'real' modem. I'd prefer on the Pinellas side of the bay, if possible. Thanks, Carson Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 28 07:53:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA22406 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:53:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA22403 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:53:58 -0500 Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h003.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.167]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA15676 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:53:57 -0500 Received: (cpmta 9730 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 04:53:26 -0800 Received: from 63.23.190.136 (HELO diana) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.167) with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 04:53:26 -0800 X-Sent: 28 Dec 2001 12:53:26 GMT Message-ID: <003d01c18f9f$88f64ee0$88be173f@diana> From: "DaLe aTchiSon" To: References: <01112401012800.01752@linux> <01112500425100.00606@linux> <01112503071502.31612@a.genesis.com> <01113001313300.00606@linux> Subject: [SLUG] Free to a Good Home Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:59:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Y'all: Hope this message isn't verboten. I have three dumb terminals to give away, 1 Digital VT-510 and 2 Digital VT-420's. Reply here or call me at 462-6113 or 443-4433. Thanks, we be gone now. DaLe From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 28 09:17:53 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA22624 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:17:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA22621 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:17:52 -0500 Received: from viking.fortresstech.com (router.fortresstech.com [207.87.233.66] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15933 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:17:52 -0500 From: bfoxworth@fortresstech.com Received: by vikinga.fortresstech.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:20:33 -0500 Message-ID: <60C9F43DF275D51196F3000102550D5F017C89@vikinga.fortresstech.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Free to a Good Home Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:20:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have a use for one of the 420. What is the max speed? Can they do 38400? Tnx Bob Foxworth > -----Original Message----- > From: DaLe aTchiSon [SMTP:atch1951@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 07:59 > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] Free to a Good Home > > Y'all: > > Hope this message isn't verboten. I have three dumb terminals to give > away, > 1 Digital VT-510 and 2 Digital VT-420's. Reply here or call me at > 462-6113 > or 443-4433. > > Thanks, we be gone now. > > DaLe > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 28 10:38:21 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA23105 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:38:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA23102 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:38:20 -0500 Received: from pop007pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.234]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16323 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:38:20 -0500 Received: from Desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-188.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.188]) by pop007pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id fBSFbr5X005200 Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:37:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005a01c18fb5$94979860$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: References: <20011228123510.D27983ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] modems Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:37:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Need anything specific? I may have an extra here as we have switched over to ADSL. Doc > Can anyone point me to a good place to buy a 'real' modem. I'd prefer on the Pinellas side of the bay, if possible. > > Thanks, > Carson > > Carson R. Wilcox > Senior Consultant > DMR Consulting > Tampa, FL USA > > _____________________________________________________________ > Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 28 10:57:01 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA23625 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:57:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA23622 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:57:00 -0500 Received: from omta05.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16700 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:57:00 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta05.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E7048574 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:56:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 762052755; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:56:29 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:56:29 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] modems X-Originating-Ip: [192.76.86.65] Message-Id: <20011228155629.762052755@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Not really, just looking for one that is not a winmodem and will work with linux. Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA --- "Doc" wrote: >Need anything specific? I may have an extra here as we >have switched over to ADSL. > >Doc > > >> Can anyone point me to a good place to buy a 'real' modem. I'd prefer on >the Pinellas side of the bay, if possible. >> >> Thanks, >> Carson >> >> Carson R. Wilcox >> Senior Consultant >> DMR Consulting >> Tampa, FL USA >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net >> _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 28 11:15:02 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA24807 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:15:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA24804 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:15:02 -0500 Received: from viking.fortresstech.com (router.fortresstech.com [207.87.233.66] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17612 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:15:02 -0500 From: bfoxworth@fortresstech.com Received: by vikinga.fortresstech.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:17:46 -0500 Message-ID: <60C9F43DF275D51196F3000102550D5F017C8C@vikinga.fortresstech.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] modems Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:17:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Another possibility (just that) - if you don't mind driving out to exit 4 on I-4 and heading to the Fla State Fairgrounds, the next time they have a computer fair - and paying $10 to get in (4 for parking and 6 for entry) - is, usually there is always someone there with a US Robotics or equivalent, external, new, for a good price. But no guarantees. I think the next show is on 5 and 6 January > > Can anyone point me to a good place to buy a 'real' modem. I'd prefer on > the Pinellas side of the bay, if possible. > > > > Thanks, > > Carson > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 28 11:19:36 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA24992 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:19:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA24989 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:19:35 -0500 Received: from pop007pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.234]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17789 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:19:35 -0500 Received: from there (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by pop007pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id fBSGJ45X015747 Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:19:04 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200112281619.fBSGJ45X015747@pop007pub.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] The Penguin Strikes Again Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:19:07 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In todays Tampa Trib ,in the Moneysense section, page 7, there is a good write-up about Linux---almost the entire lower 1/2. In any case just thought I would mention it should anyone want to read up. Pretty decent article and will prob get more people lookin at Linux. A J -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8LJuBxz7sWGFN55sRAmnOAJ49JAW9Xw7mY/mG4K0+in5uS+47vwCdEm+E MeYVNWlVIaXjKuZvHhiaQMI= =S1gH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 28 12:04:21 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA26188 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:04:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA26185 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:04:20 -0500 Received: from mp3.lenseinc.com (242819hfc177.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.19.177]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18764 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:04:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (kai@localhost) by mp3.lenseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18238 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:03:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mp3.lenseinc.com: kai owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:03:46 -0500 (EST) From: Kai Lien X-Sender: kai@mp3.lenseinc.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail FROM change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 First of all, you may not want to log in as root just to read emails or do any other stuff except admin. You want to use a regular user account. With that said, here is a solution for your problem: You may need to change your user info. Log in as root, then execute /usr/bin/chfn then, type in your real name, address, etc. Hope this will help Kai On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Mario Lombardo wrote: > I'm using Debian. When I mail something like this: mail john.doe@yahoo.com > > as root. It looks like this in receiver's box: FROM: root > > > How do I make it say my name instead of root?. > Like this: Mario Lombardo > > I know it's my mail setup because it happens with receiving accounts > that aren't customized. My mail gets sent through exim, and that's > all I know about mail stuff. > > Mario > - -- Kai Lien DSA key ID 39BD44C0 Lense Consulting Company www.lenseco.com _/I\_____________o______________o___/I\ l * / /_/ * __ ' .* l I"""_____________l______________l___"""I\ l *// _l__l_ . *. l [__][__][(******)__][__](******)[__][] \l l-\ ---//---*----(oo)----------l [][__][__(******)][__][_(******)_][__] l l \\ // ____ >-( )-< / l [__][__][_l l[__][__][l l][__][] l l \\)) ._****_.(......) .@@@:::l [][__][__]l .l_][__][__] .l__][__] l l ll _(o_o)_ (@*_*@ l [__][__][/ <_)[__][__]/ <_)][__][] l l ll ( / \ ) / / / ) l [][__][ /..,/][__][__][/..,/_][__][__] l l / \\ _\ \_ / _\_\ l [__][__(__/][__][__][_(__/_][__][__][] l l______________________________l [__][__]] l , , . [__][__][] l [][__][_] l . i. '/ , [][__][__] l /\**/\ season's [__][__]] l O .\ / /, O [__][__][] l ( o_o )_) greetings _[][__][_] l__l======='=l____[][__][__] l_______,(u u ,),__________________ [__][__]]/ /l\-------/l\ [__][__][]/ {}{}{}{}{}{} In Kai's house it is warm and toasty while fuzzies play in the snow outside. Fortune Cookie of the Day: God, I ask for patience -- and I want it right now! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8LKX1ztiWgzm9RMARAhg8AJ4qo1dhDuN8z0MPDk+g/Xh7X57z2wCggz2I qqPAMhgcQiieT7d0J3p3Gio= =G10Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 28 13:08:56 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA26470 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:08:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA26467 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:08:55 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19052 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:08:55 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBSI8O310764 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:08:24 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:07:19 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail FROM change Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug RESOLVED Thank you to Paul F. and Kai! Paul, you were exactly right about the 5th field for my name. After using the nifty tool Kai mentioned, it reads my full name. I could've used vi, but I was nervous about hacking the /etc/passwd file. Curious, how would one do this if they were running /etc/shadow? MD5? Kai, thank you for the advice about root. My intent is to send emails from my Linux station to Linux lists (SLUG) when I have problems as an admin. Sometimes, in order to send emails about issues, I had to type error messages verbatim on my Mac. That was getting annoying. Mario >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > >First of all, you may not want to log in as root just to read emails or do >any other stuff except admin. You want to use a regular user account. > >With that said, here is a solution for your problem: > >You may need to change your user info. > >Log in as root, then execute /usr/bin/chfn > >then, type in your real name, address, etc. > > >Hope this will help > > >Kai > >On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Mario Lombardo wrote: > >> I'm using Debian. When I mail something like this: mail john.doe@yahoo.com >> >> as root. It looks like this in receiver's box: FROM: root >> >> >> How do I make it say my name instead of root?. >> Like this: Mario Lombardo >> >> I know it's my mail setup because it happens with receiving accounts >> that aren't customized. My mail gets sent through exim, and that's >> all I know about mail stuff. >> >> Mario >> > >- -- > >Kai Lien > >DSA key ID 39BD44C0 > >Lense Consulting Company >www.lenseco.com > >_/I\_____________o______________o___/I\ l * / /_/ * __ ' .* l >I"""_____________l______________l___"""I\ l *// _l__l_ . *. l > [__][__][(******)__][__](******)[__][] \l l-\ ---//---*----(oo)----------l > [][__][__(******)][__][_(******)_][__] l l \\ // ____ >-( )-< / l > [__][__][_l l[__][__][l l][__][] l l \\)) ._****_.(......) .@@@:::l > [][__][__]l .l_][__][__] .l__][__] l l ll _(o_o)_ (@*_*@ l > [__][__][/ <_)[__][__]/ <_)][__][] l l ll ( / \ ) / / / ) l > [][__][ /..,/][__][__][/..,/_][__][__] l l / \\ _\ \_ / _\_\ l > [__][__(__/][__][__][_(__/_][__][__][] l l______________________________l > [__][__]] l , , . [__][__][] l > [][__][_] l . i. '/ , [][__][__] l /\**/\ season's > [__][__]] l O .\ / /, O [__][__][] l ( o_o )_) greetings >_[][__][_] l__l======='=l____[][__][__] l_______,(u u ,),__________________ > [__][__]]/ /l\-------/l\ [__][__][]/ {}{}{}{}{}{} > >In Kai's house it is warm and toasty while fuzzies play in the snow outside. > >Fortune Cookie of the Day: > >God, I ask for patience -- and I want it right now! > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > >iD8DBQE8LKX1ztiWgzm9RMARAhg8AJ4qo1dhDuN8z0MPDk+g/Xh7X57z2wCggz2I >qqPAMhgcQiieT7d0J3p3Gio= >=G10Q >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 28 13:12:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA26486 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:12:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA26483 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:12:18 -0500 Received: from web13701.mail.yahoo.com (web13701.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.134]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA19072 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:12:17 -0500 Message-ID: <20011228181143.38854.qmail@web13701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.62.208.213] by web13701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:11:43 PST Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:11:43 -0800 (PST) From: DaLe aTchiSon Subject: RE: [SLUG] Free to a Good Home To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <60C9F43DF275D51196F3000102550D5F017C89@vikinga.fortresstech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Bob, No idea. They were donated to us - the nice lady thought they were SVGA monitors. Thus, they are offered "AS IS", with no data or specs. Still interested? DaLe --- bfoxworth@fortresstech.com wrote: > I have a use for one of the 420. What is the max speed? Can they > do 38400? > > Tnx Bob Foxworth > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DaLe aTchiSon [SMTP:atch1951@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 07:59 > > To: slug@nks.net > > Subject: [SLUG] Free to a Good Home > > > > Y'all: > > > > Hope this message isn't verboten. I have three dumb terminals to > give > > away, > > 1 Digital VT-510 and 2 Digital VT-420's. Reply here or call me at > > 462-6113 > > or 443-4433. > > > > Thanks, we be gone now. > > > > DaLe > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 28 13:22:25 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA26525 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:22:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA26522 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:22:25 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19112 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:22:24 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBSILT206027 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:21:29 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:19:35 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: [SLUG] A "whatis" catalog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm using Debian. Somtimes I use the "whatis" command to find out what I program does. I understand it derives its information from the top line description of the man page of the particular command. I would like to peruse all of the commands in the whatis/man database in the whatis format, so I can find more neat programs. For example: prompt> whatis chfn chfn (1) - change user name and information How can I, script or otherwise, dump all of this information into a text catalog-like file so I can print it? Thanks, Mario From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 28 14:30:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA26729 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:30:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA26726 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:30:57 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19297 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:30:57 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA11131 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:30:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] A "whatis" catalog From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 28 Dec 2001 14:30:27 -0500 Message-Id: <1009567827.2443.0.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 2001-12-28 at 13:19, Mario Lombardo wrote: > I'm using Debian. Somtimes I use the "whatis" command to find out > what I program does. I understand it derives its information from > the top line description of the man page of the particular command. > How can I, script or otherwise, dump all of this information into a > text catalog-like file so I can print it? If you're running Debian, "dpkg -l" will list all installed packages and what they do. It's a little higher-level than per-command, as a single package may contain many commands. You could also do "man -k" to search for keywords. "man man" may show you a way to dump everything. :) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 28 15:08:00 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA26823 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:08:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA26820 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:08:00 -0500 Received: from bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.72]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19385 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:07:59 -0500 Received: from louise (A020-0942.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.85.180]) by bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id fBSK63916698 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:06:03 -0500 Message-ID: <004501c18fdb$055ee740$021ba8c0@sanders.sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <20011228123510.D27983ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] modems Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:59:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug At Thompson's - www.tcwo.com they have a hardware modem (USR V90 PCI) for $56 http://www.tcwo.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_prod.html?p_prodid=1005&sid=1gi2Ty0H YJumB69 Larry :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Carson Wilcox Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 7:35 AM Subject: [SLUG] modems > Can anyone point me to a good place to buy a 'real' modem. I'd prefer on the Pinellas side of the bay, if possible. > Thanks, > Carson From owner-slug-track29 Fri Dec 28 19:24:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA27475 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:24:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA27472 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:24:57 -0500 Received: from omta04.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20004 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:24:56 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta04.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007745030C for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:24:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id A1D9F2755; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:24:15 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:24:15 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] modems X-Originating-Ip: [209.4.43.203] Message-Id: <20011229002415.A1D9F2755@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Sorry I didn't mention, but I need an external modem, it's for my loptop. I'll check out the site you mentioned and see. Thanks, Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA --- "Larry Sanders" wrote: >At Thompson's - www.tcwo.com >they have a hardware modem (USR V90 PCI) for $56 >http://www.tcwo.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_prod.html?p_prodid=1005&sid=1gi2Ty0H >YJumB69 > >Larry :-) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Carson Wilcox Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 7:35 AM >Subject: [SLUG] modems > > >> Can anyone point me to a good place to buy a 'real' modem. I'd prefer on >the Pinellas side of the bay, if possible. >> Thanks, >> Carson _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 29 07:47:06 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA30845 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:47:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA30842 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:47:05 -0500 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA22810 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:47:04 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 12:46:33 -0000 Message-ID: <3C2DBD87.97F6608D@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:56:39 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Is it possible ? web site video viewer References: <3C2B8CB2.EF13A777@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I want to thank all that responded. I now have Realplayer working on my Linux box. Thanks again Mike M Mike Manchester wrote: > > Is it possible to get Linux with Netscape,Opera or Mozilla to play > streaming video from a site that offers downloads in > Realplayer,Quicktime or Windows media format? I can't seem to get the > realplayer to work with Redhat 7.1 > > Damn I gave up Word to use Linux and now it looks like I may have to > give up viewing streaming video also. :( > > Mike M. > -- > perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'< c496e657870225f636b6371202d49636f62737f6664702355736b637 > 12a0 > RM > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:26:27 -0500 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA22884 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:26:27 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2001 13:25:55 -0000 Message-ID: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:36:01 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] HELLLLLP Kernal panics - long post Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug After months of telling my Son how wonderful Linux is. He finally asked me to help him install it. We attempted to install it on his machine, yesterday. And know he thinks his Dad is crazy :( After a successful install of RedHat 7.2. The first time he opened Netscape the system froze. No keyboard nothing. It required a power off. Guess what his first response was. "I thought Linux did do that" :( After powering the machine off we tried to reboot and as soon as the kernel stated we kept getting kernel panics. I couldn't see all of the message, as some of it scrolled past the screen but it was something to do with the irq handler. So we reinstalled RH 7.2. This time I decided to make sure the network was up an running before stating netscape. I then tried netscape and it worked fine. Cool I thought maybe it was a bad install the first time. So then I tried to add a remote printer and bam, it locked up again. So this time I decided to install 7.1 as I've been running it for sometime with out problems. And maybe what he was seeing was related to 7.2. On the initial boot from the cdrom again another kernel panic. Part of which I captured and it said: Oops:0002 Kernel Panic: Attempted to kill the idle task in Idle task-not synching ide_dmaproc:chipset supported ide_dma_lostirq func 13 hdc lost interrupt. Note: the hdc on his machine is his cdrom reader. Tried to install 7.1 once more. This time it hang during the install. So I tried again after powering off. And installed 7.1 without any further problems. He ran this install for almost 4 hours, about 2 hours after installing all the updates from RedHat. It again locked up, and required the power off. Note that after every lock,power off the machine always gets kernel panics during the boot process. And only a fresh install will resolve the problem. It won't get as far as doing the hard drive check that Linux does when it's been powered off. So now his machine is at the point of getting Kernel panics when trying to load the installed/crashed Linux. I have now resigned to the fact he may have a Windows only machine. :( Can anyone shed some light on this problem? Where/what can we check, so some day he may join the racks of the free? Thanks Mike M. -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:07:34 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23183 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:07:33 -0500 Received: from there (242855hfc23.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.55.23]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBTH73O07710 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:07:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200112291707.fBTH73O07710@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Let your voice be heard! US vs. Microsoft Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:10:27 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <000801c18c20$0c7ac8a0$e3422041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> <200112251759.JAA06300@ns1.socaldns.com> <001c01c18f3a$7df57d00$021ba8c0@sanders.sanders> In-Reply-To: <001c01c18f3a$7df57d00$021ba8c0@sanders.sanders> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug All I encourage all of you to write the Department of Justice and share your views on the US vs Microsoft Case. Here is the correct information. Bear in mind that if you choose to comment -- and you should -- it must arrive before January 27. The correct e-mail address is microsoft.atr@usdoj.gov while the correct fax numbers are 1-202-307-1454 or 1-202-616-9937. Here is a link to the story on Linuxtoday: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-12-26-005-20-OP-MS From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 29 12:59:33 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA31572 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:59:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA31569 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:59:32 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23273 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:59:32 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBTHx1W15921 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:59:01 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HELLLLLP Kernal panics - long post Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:03:37 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01122913033700.01252@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug What's the system info - chipsets, processors, drives, etc - now's a good time to show him what kind of *support* we have! Glen On Saturday 29 December 2001 08:36, you wrote: > After months of telling my Son how wonderful Linux is. He finally asked > me to help him install it. We attempted to install it on his machine, > yesterday. And know he thinks his Dad is crazy :( From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 29 17:59:58 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA32273 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:59:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA32270 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:59:57 -0500 Received: from pop009pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.236]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23756 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:59:57 -0500 Received: from Desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-188.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.188]) by pop009pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id fBTMxTQ5029581 Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:59:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <026201c190bc$6adffc80$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: Subject: [SLUG] Swap 96megs for 16megs Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:59:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Anyone have a 12 or 16meg memory module for my old IBM ThinkPad 360CSE? I am willing to swap a 96meg module that fits a HP OmniBook 4100 (and I imagine many others) for a 16meg module for my TP 360cse. I might even consider a 12meg module ... with perhaps something else. Thanks! & 73, Doc KD4E From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 29 19:58:34 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA32555 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:58:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA32552 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:58:34 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24004 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:58:33 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc03.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.3]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBU0w2320106 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:58:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C2E66A1.1040405@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:58:09 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] A "whatis" catalog References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug try: apropos . > mycatalog.txt if you want the list in alphabetical order: apropos . | sort > mycatalog.txt Ed. Mario Lombardo wrote: > I'm using Debian. Somtimes I use the "whatis" command to find out what > I program does. I understand it derives its information from the top > line description of the man page of the particular command. > > I would like to peruse all of the commands in the whatis/man database in > the whatis format, so I can find more neat programs. For example: > > prompt> whatis chfn > chfn (1) - change user name and information > > How can I, script or otherwise, dump all of this information into a text > catalog-like file so I can print it? > > Thanks, > Mario > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Dec 29 23:12:46 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA00556 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:12:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA00553 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:12:46 -0500 Received: from femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.19]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24265 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:12:45 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011230041214.MNCB4569.femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:12:14 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HELLLLLP Kernal panics - long post Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:11:26 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01122923112609.27309@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 29 December 2001 08:36, you wrote: > After months of telling my Son how wonderful Linux is. He finally > asked me to help him install it. We attempted to install it on his > machine, yesterday. And know he thinks his Dad is crazy :( (Clipped) > Can anyone shed some light on this problem? Where/what can we > check, so some day he may join the racks of the free? > > Thanks > Mike M. Mike ... it sounds like time for a seance! 1) check the hardware how-to for his hard drive on the off chance he has a "known flaky" 2) suspect his ram and give it a thorough check out. There is a product on freshmeat.net that will do this. Please forgive me for teasing ... but I have forgotten its name. 3) what choices are you making in re the install ? 4) are his fans functioning? 5) what happens when you use a different browser? Older versions of NS were somewhat notorious for locking X up. Although the whole machine was NOT, in fact, down (did you try ctrl+alt+Fn? to get to a different terminal and just kill / restart X?) anything further on the original terminal was out of the question. 6) check that stuff out and also post "the vitals" next time. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1533860 11492 0 304192 878840 Swap: 401584 164 401420 Total: 1946936 1534024 412912 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 11:01pmup 9 days, 21:04, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 30 10:41:43 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA07138 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:41:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07135 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:41:43 -0500 Received: from ns1.socaldns.com ([216.240.135.106]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26083 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:41:42 -0500 Received: from there (242820hfc83.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.20.83]) by ns1.socaldns.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA24249 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 07:40:00 -0800 Message-Id: <200112301540.HAA24249@ns1.socaldns.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HELLLLLP Kernal panics - long post Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:44:10 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> <01122923112609.27309@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: <01122923112609.27309@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 29 December 2001 11:11 pm, you wrote: > On Saturday 29 December 2001 08:36, you wrote: > > After months of telling my Son how wonderful Linux is. He finally > > asked me to help him install it. We attempted to install it on his > > machine, yesterday. And know he thinks his Dad is crazy :( > > (Clipped) > > > Can anyone shed some light on this problem? Where/what can we > > check, so some day he may join the racks of the free? > > > > Thanks > > Mike M. > > Mike ... it sounds like time for a seance! I ditto this with one more angle. Try installing with only bare bones. Remove every card you don't need to install Linux. Do this After Bill's very correct suggestions. RAM was my first thought. A slow moving fan would not cool well, I've seen Linux lock up like clockwork because of that. Some chipsets don't work well with Linux. So check ALL hardware against list of supported h/w (on RedHat's website). > 1) check the hardware how-to for his hard drive on the off chance he > has a "known flaky" > 2) suspect his ram and give it a thorough check out. There is a > product on freshmeat.net that will do this. Please forgive me for > teasing ... but I have forgotten its name. > 3) what choices are you making in re the install ? > 4) are his fans functioning? > 5) what happens when you use a different browser? Older versions of > NS were somewhat notorious for locking X up. Although the whole > machine was NOT, in fact, down (did you try ctrl+alt+Fn? to get to a > different terminal and just kill / restart X?) anything further on > the original terminal was out of the question. > 6) check that stuff out and also post "the vitals" next time. > > Bill From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 30 11:49:26 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA07300 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:49:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA07297 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:49:25 -0500 Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26154 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:49:25 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-161.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.161] helo=localhost) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Kj8n-0001D2-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:48:54 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16Kj8b-0003c9-00 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:48:41 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HELLLLLP Kernal panics - long post Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:48:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> <01122923112609.27309@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: <01122923112609.27309@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Don't forget that Linux is much more sensitive to bad hardware. That is implicite here, but I thought I'd state it for the record. Linux doesn't crash. The hardware, though, is another story... Russell Hires On Saturday 29 December 2001 11:11 pm, you wrote: > On Saturday 29 December 2001 08:36, you wrote: > > After months of telling my Son how wonderful Linux is. He finally > > asked me to help him install it. We attempted to install it on his > > machine, yesterday. And know he thinks his Dad is crazy :( > > (Clipped) > > > Can anyone shed some light on this problem? Where/what can we > > check, so some day he may join the racks of the free? > > > > Thanks > > Mike M. > > Mike ... it sounds like time for a seance! > > 1) check the hardware how-to for his hard drive on the off chance he > has a "known flaky" > 2) suspect his ram and give it a thorough check out. There is a > product on freshmeat.net that will do this. Please forgive me for > teasing ... but I have forgotten its name. > 3) what choices are you making in re the install ? > 4) are his fans functioning? > 5) what happens when you use a different browser? Older versions of > NS were somewhat notorious for locking X up. Although the whole > machine was NOT, in fact, down (did you try ctrl+alt+Fn? to get to a > different terminal and just kill / restart X?) anything further on > the original terminal was out of the question. > 6) check that stuff out and also post "the vitals" next time. > > Bill From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 30 13:20:31 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA07530 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:20:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA07527 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:20:31 -0500 Received: from zorak.illusionary.lan (653229hfc141.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.29.141]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26279 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:20:29 -0500 Received: from illusionary.com (wraith [192.168.10.10]) by zorak.illusionary.lan (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA01905 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:19:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: zorak.illusionary.lan: Host wraith [192.168.10.10] claimed to be illusionary.com Message-ID: <3C2F5AC7.5A4B9DA7@illusionary.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:19:54 -0500 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.16-xfs i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HELLLLLP Kernal panics - long post References: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> <01122923112609.27309@a.genesis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Russell Hires wrote: > > Don't forget that Linux is much more sensitive to bad hardware. That is > implicite here, but I thought I'd state it for the record. Linux doesn't > crash. The hardware, though, is another story... Not just strictly "bad" hardware, but also "flaky" hardware. In cases where the hardware doesn't follow spec, or just doesn't work quite "correctly" Windows can often "give up" and work in some "least common denominator" type mode and ignore the bits that aren't really working properly, where Linux will attempt to do "the right thing" with what the hardware is _supposed_ to do, and break. (Look through the kernel source code for comments on workarounds for broken hardware, and also for comments on why certain extremely broken hardware just isn't worth the effort to make. Make sure there are no minors around in some cases. :) Err, I've forgotten who had the initial problem, but if you can get Linux on the box again, get a root login shell and run the commands 'lspci and 'dmesg' and post the outputs to the list. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- With Microsoft products, failure is not an option -- it's a standard component. Choose your life. Choose your future. Derek Glidden Choose Linux. http://www.illusionary.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 30 13:54:30 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA07620 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:54:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA07617 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:54:30 -0500 Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp1.ij.net [207.100.203.149]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA26317 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:54:29 -0500 Received: (qmail 90563 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2001 18:56:32 -0000 Received: from adsl-87-201.adsl.ij.net (HELO ij.net) (209.216.87.201) by smtp1-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2001 18:56:32 -0000 Message-ID: <3C2F6169.5010405@ij.net> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:48:09 -0500 From: Scott Piper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011202 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] A "whatis" catalog References: <1009567827.2443.0.camel@two> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug also, apt-cache will give you information on packages (all the available ones, not just the ones you have installed). For example, apt-cache search plot will return all the packages whose descriptions contain the word plot. Then you can look up info on one of the results with the show option for more detailed information. apt-cache show starplot scott Derek Glidden wrote: >On Fri, 2001-12-28 at 13:19, Mario Lombardo wrote: > >>I'm using Debian. Somtimes I use the "whatis" command to find out >>what I program does. I understand it derives its information from >>the top line description of the man page of the particular command. >> > > >>How can I, script or otherwise, dump all of this information into a >>text catalog-like file so I can print it? >> > >If you're running Debian, "dpkg -l" will list all installed packages and >what they do. It's a little higher-level than per-command, as a single >package may contain many commands. > >You could also do "man -k" to search for keywords. > >"man man" may show you a way to dump everything. :) > From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 30 17:31:42 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA08112 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:31:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA08109 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:31:42 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26593 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:31:42 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt0a2n0b.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.25.11]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBUMVBW21113 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:31:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C2F97A1.61C5149D@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:39:29 -0500 From: Anita Pesola X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: [SLUG] OLD hardware to give away!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi, I just acquired a verrrrry old IBM system--a PCXT with the 5 1/4" floppy, an unknown size HD with an extra unknown HD and two very wide dot-matrix printers with an original IBM color monitor. If anyone's interested, please email me off list. I think (but not really sure) that this would make a very good Linux box or, in any case, someone might want it for parts or something. I know *I* can't use it....:-) At the very least, the case itself would make a very good boat anchor :-). Anita From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 30 17:51:27 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA08168 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:51:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA08165 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:51:27 -0500 Received: from goliath.cnchost.com (goliath.cnchost.com [207.155.252.47]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26610 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:51:26 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by goliath.cnchost.com id RAA27912; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:50:55 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16Kon8-0006T5-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:50:54 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:50:50 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: Re: [SLUG] OLD hardware to give away!!! Message-ID: <20011230175050.C24466@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , "slug@nks.net" References: <3C2F97A1.61C5149D@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C2F97A1.61C5149D@tampabay.rr.com>; from jb2@tampabay.rr.com on Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 05:39:29PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 05:39:29PM -0500, Anita Pesola wrote: > Hi, > > I just acquired a verrrrry old IBM system--a PCXT with the 5 1/4" > floppy, an unknown size HD with an extra unknown HD and two very wide > dot-matrix printers with an original IBM color monitor. If anyone's > interested, please email me off list. I think (but not really sure) that > this would make a very good Linux box or, in any case, someone might > want it for parts or something. I know *I* can't use it....:-) At the > very least, the case itself would make a very good boat anchor :-). > > Anita Nope, this won't run Linux. XTs were based on 8088 or 8086 chips. Linux requires at least an 80386 chip to function. There was a prior discussion of some of the other OSes that could be used on machines like this. The case and printers might be worthwhile, though. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 30 20:03:16 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA08473 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:03:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA08470 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:03:16 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26771 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:03:15 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc03.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.3]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBV12iW17563 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:02:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C2FB941.5050207@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:02:57 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OLD hardware to give away!!! References: <3C2F97A1.61C5149D@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug My initial reaction was "surely Linux will not run on an old PC-XT", but I decided to make sure before replying. Glad I did. The ELKS (Embeddable Linux Kernel Subset http://elks.sourceforge.net/faq/english-faq.html#1.4) could probably be made to run but don't expect a point-and-click install or much functionality after booting up. Excerpts from the web site: "Are there any ready-to-run distributions of ELKS? Not yet. You need to use a standard Linux machine, download the sources, and cross-compile to generate the 8086 target code. Boot and root disk images are provided with the current version of ELKS, but all they do is act as a platform for testing the system, and very little can be done with them." "it is already able to boot, provide virtual consoles, mount a root minix filesystems floppy, provide basic serial and parallel I/O, connect to another computer over a null-modem SLIP link, and start various small programs. I'm starting to believe that Linux will run on a fence post! Ed. Anita Pesola wrote: > Hi, > > I just acquired a verrrrry old IBM system--a PCXT with the 5 1/4" > floppy, an unknown size HD with an extra unknown HD and two very wide > dot-matrix printers with an original IBM color monitor. If anyone's > interested, please email me off list. I think (but not really sure) that > this would make a very good Linux box or, in any case, someone might > want it for parts or something. I know *I* can't use it....:-) At the > very least, the case itself would make a very good boat anchor :-). > > Anita > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 30 21:21:13 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA08675 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:21:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA08672 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:21:13 -0500 Received: from m10.boston.juno.com (m10.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.73]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26867 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:21:12 -0500 From: dopler2@juno.com Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"ymRWzEMSjcpfo6tmb1Zhm+ltdvp5IraIc37tjh/82h9q2azSzud9Fw=="> Received: (from dopler2@juno.com) by m10.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GPXZ7WN6; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:20:05 EST To: slug@nks.net Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:20:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Let your voice be heard! US vs. Microsoft Message-ID: <20011230.212029.-734813.1.dopler2@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-7,12-17,19-36 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If you want to send a free fax, vs getting back an e-mail form letter, you can do it as e-mail with the following format in the To: field - remote-printer.DOJ@12023071454.iddd.tpc.int or: remote-printer.DOJ@12026169937.iddd.tpc.int More info is available at the tpc project website, which I think is something like www.tpcint.org, but you can find them with a good search engine. They enable free faxes to a lot of the world, but it would be a good idea to confirm an area code at their site. Washing D.C. has had coverage for a couple of years, now. Frank Starr On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:10:27 -0500 Russ Wright writes: > All > > I encourage all of you to write the Department of Justice and share > your > views on the US vs Microsoft Case. > > Here is the correct information. Bear in mind that if you choose to > comment > -- and you should -- it must arrive before January 27. The correct > e-mail > address is microsoft.atr@usdoj.gov while the correct fax numbers are > > 1-202-307-1454 or 1-202-616-9937. > > Here is a link to the story on Linuxtoday: > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-12-26-005-20-OP-MS > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 30 22:25:50 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA08837 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:25:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA08834 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:25:49 -0500 Received: from hank.mjudge.net (adsl-21-238-128.mco.bellsouth.net [66.21.238.128]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26943 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:25:49 -0500 Received: from beavis.mjudge.net (beavis.mjudge.net [192.168.1.2]) by hank.mjudge.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fBV3PIW23647 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:25:18 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian Coyle Organization: CHAOS -- That's a level of organization, isn't it? To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OLD hardware to give away!!! Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:25:04 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C2F97A1.61C5149D@tampabay.rr.com> <3C2FB941.5050207@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3C2FB941.5050207@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01123022250400.07379@beavis.mjudge.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 30 December 2001 20:02, Ed Centanni wrote: > My initial reaction was "surely Linux will not run on an old PC-XT", but > I decided to make sure before replying. Glad I did. > > The ELKS (Embeddable Linux Kernel Subset > http://elks.sourceforge.net/faq/english-faq.html#1.4) could probably be > made to run but don't expect a point-and-click install or much > functionality after booting up. I've toyed with ELKS off-and-on for the past several years. I have an ancient 286 laptop that would boot ELKS from floppy and occasionally run from the hard drive... Don't try this at home unless you _really_ want a challenge. You might consider the Linux From Scratch[1] project as an intro or prereq to ELKS... ;) [1] http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ - -- GPG Key fingerprint = AE1C 123A 1153 8A63 E8A9 FAEA 111D CCB8 7527 701B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8L9qdER3MuHUncBsRApGyAJ0SutNUgK4grJWWS4+MDL7FJSbHvQCfbQL9 utaBH5CvM8VRu+UCuiD+2s8= =SYbx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 30 23:08:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA08959 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:08:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA08952 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:08:56 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27017 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:08:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBV48P204843 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:08:25 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C2F6169.5010405@ij.net> References: <1009567827.2443.0.camel@two> <3C2F6169.5010405@ij.net> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:37:21 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] A "whatis" catalog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yes, I use "apt-cache search [...]" all the time, but it functions more like a the grep command than a package list. I think maybe Derek Glidden's approach works from the same database. dpkg -l Does apt use the same DB as dpkg? Mario >also, apt-cache will give you information on packages (all the >available ones, not just the ones you have installed). For example, > >apt-cache search plot >will return all the packages whose descriptions contain the word >plot. Then you can look up info on one of the results with the show >option for more detailed information. > >apt-cache show starplot > > > scott > >Derek Glidden wrote: > >>On Fri, 2001-12-28 at 13:19, Mario Lombardo wrote: >> >>>I'm using Debian. Somtimes I use the "whatis" command to find out >>>what I program does. I understand it derives its information from >>>the top line description of the man page of the particular command. >>> >> >> >>>How can I, script or otherwise, dump all of this information into >>>a text catalog-like file so I can print it? >>> >> >>If you're running Debian, "dpkg -l" will list all installed packages and >>what they do. It's a little higher-level than per-command, as a single >>package may contain many commands. >> >>You could also do "man -k" to search for keywords. >> >>"man man" may show you a way to dump everything. :) -- From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 30 23:08:57 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA08958 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:08:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA08953 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:08:56 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27018 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:08:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBV48P204849 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:08:25 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1009567827.2443.0.camel@two> References: <1009567827.2443.0.camel@two> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:01:24 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] A "whatis" catalog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug dpkg -l gets it data from the /var/lib/dpkg/available database. Although this isn't where the "whatis" gets its data, it's still a useful alternative. Since some applications do not use the packaging conventions of .rpm or .deb, this is where dpkg would miss them. On the contrary, some packages/installs do not have manuals. In this instance, apropos/whatis/man would miss them. Is this true? If so, then I suppose a compilation of the two databases, with the proper duplicate eliminations, would serve as the best short-description list of *installed* applications. Now I'm curious about dumping all .deb package information of both installed and NOT installed. How would one do that or where does it currently reside; since dselect is aware of both? Mario >On Fri, 2001-12-28 at 13:19, Mario Lombardo wrote: >> I'm using Debian. Somtimes I use the "whatis" command to find out >> what I program does. I understand it derives its information from >> the top line description of the man page of the particular command. > >> How can I, script or otherwise, dump all of this information into a >> text catalog-like file so I can print it? > >If you're running Debian, "dpkg -l" will list all installed packages and >what they do. It's a little higher-level than per-command, as a single >package may contain many commands. > >You could also do "man -k" to search for keywords. > >"man man" may show you a way to dump everything. :) > >-- >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >#!/usr/bin/perl -w >$_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map >{$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; >$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) >[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join >"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= >unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* >8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} >print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > >usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ >http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ -- From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 30 23:08:56 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA08949 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:08:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA08945 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:08:55 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27014 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:08:55 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBV48O204837 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:08:24 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:39:59 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: [SLUG] dot's function in *nix Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug In the thread subject 'A "whatis" catalog', I was once again mystified by the use of the dot in Unix-like systems. I originally thought the use of dot was merely to state "here" or "from here" as in the example of filesytems use: ls . sh ./myscript But the dot turned out to be more than that when I saw people using it in other ways; most recently from Ed Centanni's REply to my question with this as the best working model: apropos . | sort > mycatalog.txt versus... apropos * | sort > mycatalog.txt I don't understand the literal interpretation of the dot in this example versus using an asterisk. Actually, an asterisk doesn't discover as many commands as the dot. In fact, doing a search for the command chfn doesn't come up in the asterisk solution, yet it comes up in the dot solution. This seems opposite of what would work in the DOS world--which is my background. URL reading sources are fine. I just want to understand how to utilize this little gem in other ways...if there are any more. Thanks, Mario From owner-slug-track29 Sun Dec 30 23:08:55 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA08948 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:08:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA08941 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:08:55 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27013 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:08:54 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBV48O204831 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:08:24 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C2E66A1.1040405@tampabay.rr.com> References: <3C2E66A1.1040405@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:05:56 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] A "whatis" catalog Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug RESOLVED Thanks to everyone for the help. Ed Centanni's solution worked the best: apropos . | sort > mycatalog1.txt Derek Glidden had an alternative list approach: dpkg -l | sort > mycatalog2.txt Both work very well but are from different databases. Mario >try: > >apropos . > mycatalog.txt > >if you want the list in alphabetical order: > >apropos . | sort > mycatalog.txt > >Ed. > >Mario Lombardo wrote: > >>I'm using Debian. Somtimes I use the "whatis" command to find out >>what I program does. I understand it derives its information from >>the top line description of the man page of the particular command. >> >>I would like to peruse all of the commands in the whatis/man >>database in the whatis format, so I can find more neat programs. >>For example: >> >>prompt> whatis chfn >>chfn (1) - change user name and information >> >>How can I, script or otherwise, dump all of this information into a >>text catalog-like file so I can print it? >> >>Thanks, >>Mario -- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 00:41:36 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA09230 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:41:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA09227 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:41:36 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27243 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:41:35 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc03.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.3]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBV5f5221349 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:41:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C2FFA74.809@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:41:08 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dot's function in *nix References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug apropos (a.k.a. man -k) takes a regular expression (.) as an argument instead of a filename wildcard (*) since it is searching for a string match and not a filename match. Filename wildcards and regular expressions are not the same thing. The '.' in "./myscript" is a kind of shorthand for a bonafide directory name and is neither a wildcard nor regular expression. When you give the commmand "apropos *", you are actually feeding apropos a list of all the filenames in the current directory to be evaluated as regular expressions. That's why you get strange results. See the manual pages for grep (man grep) for more info on regular expressions. Ed. Mario Lombardo wrote: > In the thread subject 'A "whatis" catalog', I was once again mystified > by the use of the dot in Unix-like systems. I originally thought the > use of dot was merely to state "here" or "from here" as in the example > of filesytems use: > > ls . > sh ./myscript > > But the dot turned out to be more than that when I saw people using it > in other ways; most recently from Ed Centanni's REply to my question > with this as the best working model: > > apropos . | sort > mycatalog.txt > versus... > apropos * | sort > mycatalog.txt > > I don't understand the literal interpretation of the dot in this example > versus using an asterisk. Actually, an asterisk doesn't discover as > many commands as the dot. In fact, doing a search for the command chfn > doesn't come up in the asterisk solution, yet it comes up in the dot > solution. This seems opposite of what would work in the DOS > world--which is my background. > > URL reading sources are fine. I just want to understand how to utilize > this little gem in other ways...if there are any more. > > Thanks, > Mario > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 00:10:48 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA09155 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:10:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA09152 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:10:48 -0500 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27166 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:10:48 -0500 Received: from sdn-ar-003txfworp202.dialsprint.net ([158.252.142.114] helo=newross.rossberry.private) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16KuiA-0002vL-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:10:13 -0800 Received: from localhost (jawildman@localhost) by newross.rossberry.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBV57dp15775 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:07:39 -0600 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:07:38 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Wildman To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] dot's function in *nix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The difference is dot in a command shell context (ls . or ./myscript) where is means the current directory versus dot in a regulat expression context (apropos .) where it matches any single character. And of course it can also be used in filenames as a normal character.. try this mkdir tmp cd tmp touch t touch tt ls | grep "." ls | grep ".." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP jim@rossberry.com 817-308-3868 http://www.rossberry.com On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Mario Lombardo wrote: > In the thread subject 'A "whatis" catalog', I was once again > mystified by the use of the dot in Unix-like systems. I originally > thought the use of dot was merely to state "here" or "from here" as > in the example of filesytems use: > > ls . > sh ./myscript > > But the dot turned out to be more than that when I saw people using > it in other ways; most recently from Ed Centanni's REply to my > question with this as the best working model: > > apropos . | sort > mycatalog.txt > versus... > apropos * | sort > mycatalog.txt > > I don't understand the literal interpretation of the dot in this > example versus using an asterisk. Actually, an asterisk doesn't > discover as many commands as the dot. In fact, doing a search for > the command chfn doesn't come up in the asterisk solution, yet it > comes up in the dot solution. This seems opposite of what would work > in the DOS world--which is my background. > > URL reading sources are fine. I just want to understand how to > utilize this little gem in other ways...if there are any more. > > Thanks, > Mario > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 01:41:14 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA09387 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:41:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA09384 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:41:14 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27353 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:41:13 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBV6eg309981 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:40:42 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HELLLLLP Kernal panics - long post Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:45:20 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> <01122923112609.27309@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: <01122923112609.27309@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01123101452000.08711@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The memory tester is called memtest86. It requires that you boot it from a floppy (it comes as an image you can dd to a disk as well as source) because it has to run in x86 real mode - i.e. none of that 'memory segmentation or paging' shenanigans. It works, but make sure that you can leave it running overnight !! I tried it when I had 256M ram, and after 4 hours I decided that it had been long enough since I'd checked my email :) Of course, it could be that my memory bus has been running *really* slow... I get my slockets tomorrow... heh heh... Glen On Saturday 29 December 2001 23:11, you wrote: > On Saturday 29 December 2001 08:36, you wrote: > > After months of telling my Son how wonderful Linux is. He finally > > asked me to help him install it. We attempted to install it on his > > machine, yesterday. And know he thinks his Dad is crazy :( > > (Clipped) > > > Can anyone shed some light on this problem? Where/what can we > > check, so some day he may join the racks of the free? > > > > Thanks > > Mike M. > > Mike ... it sounds like time for a seance! > > 1) check the hardware how-to for his hard drive on the off chance he > has a "known flaky" > 2) suspect his ram and give it a thorough check out. There is a > product on freshmeat.net that will do this. Please forgive me for > teasing ... but I have forgotten its name. > 3) what choices are you making in re the install ? > 4) are his fans functioning? > 5) what happens when you use a different browser? Older versions of > NS were somewhat notorious for locking X up. Although the whole > machine was NOT, in fact, down (did you try ctrl+alt+Fn? to get to a > different terminal and just kill / restart X?) anything further on > the original terminal was out of the question. > 6) check that stuff out and also post "the vitals" next time. > > Bill From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 01:49:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA09421 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:49:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA09418 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:49:06 -0500 Received: from goliath.cnchost.com (goliath.cnchost.com [207.155.252.47]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27382 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:49:05 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by goliath.cnchost.com id BAA16141; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:48:32 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16KwFL-0007Ya-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:48:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:48:23 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dot's function in *nix Message-ID: <20011231014823.A26692@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from mario@alienscience.com on Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:39:59PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:39:59PM -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > In the thread subject 'A "whatis" catalog', I was once again > mystified by the use of the dot in Unix-like systems. I originally > thought the use of dot was merely to state "here" or "from here" as > in the example of filesytems use: > > ls . > sh ./myscript > > But the dot turned out to be more than that when I saw people using > it in other ways; most recently from Ed Centanni's REply to my > question with this as the best working model: > > apropos . | sort > mycatalog.txt > versus... > apropos * | sort > mycatalog.txt > > I don't understand the literal interpretation of the dot in this > example versus using an asterisk. Actually, an asterisk doesn't > discover as many commands as the dot. In fact, doing a search for > the command chfn doesn't come up in the asterisk solution, yet it > comes up in the dot solution. This seems opposite of what would work > in the DOS world--which is my background. > > URL reading sources are fine. I just want to understand how to > utilize this little gem in other ways...if there are any more. > > Thanks, > Mario The dot in front of a filename also signifies that the file is "hidden" from standard file-type commands like ls, cp and such. In the case above, this wouldn't apply, as the dot is _not_ part of the filename: ./myscript (the filename is myscript in the ./ [this] directory; if it were hidden, it would be ./.myscript). In that case, it's exactly what you said-- "here" or "this directory". To make a long story short, "apropos ." gives you everything in the whatis file, because it treats the dot as a regular expression for "any character". And the star [inadvertantly] gets expanded by the shell to be all the files in your current directory, so you get the output of apropos against _each_ filename in your current directory. For a more complete explanation, read on. The man pages don't shed any light on the use of the apropos command with the dot or the star. However, apropos is a shell script, so you can look at the source to determine what it's doing. Apropos runs against the whatis files, wherever they are. In the case of Red Hat, that's /var/cache/man/whatis, $manpath/whatis ($manpath will generally be various directories, like /usr/share/man), and /usr/lib/whatis. The whatis files are compiled by the makewhatis program, which often runs as a cron job periodically to rebuild the whatis files. Whatis files are basically the output of man against each command there's a man page for. You can run "less /var/cache/man/whatis" and you'll see what I mean. Apropos basically runs a grep command (twice) against the whatis files that it finds, looking for whatever you've given it. If you give it a 'z' (as in "apropos z") it will find every line in the whatis files that contains a 'z' and output them. >From some experimenting with star and dot, here is what I think is happening. With the dot (.), apropos (and grep) look for _anything_ in the whatis files. That is, it uses the dot as part of a regular expression. In that case, the dot would represent any character, so you'd get the whole contents of the whatis files. In the case of the star (*), I believe that before executing grep, the shell expands the star to include the filenames of all the files in the current directory. So what you get is something like: grep -ia thisfile thatfile theotherfile ... /var/cache/man/whatis assuming thisfile, thatfile, etc. are all files in your current directory. If your home directory is populated with a few files, you can test this by running apropos * > junk and then look at the junk file. You'll see that apropos attempted to run the grep against every file in your home directory. So, for example, if you have a "Mail" subdirectory in your home directory, you'll get the result of running "apropos mail" (apropos is case insensitive) along with similar output for each and every file in your home directory. (I don't really think apropos was intended to be run with the star. The behavior of the shell expanding the star prior to executing grep is inconsistent with the usual behavior of apropos. This may be material for a bug report.) All of this is based on experiments with the apropos command on a Red Hat 7.2 system (apropos from man 1.5i1), run from my home directory. If your apropos command is not the same as mine, YMMV. HTH, Paul From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 02:01:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA09469 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:01:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA09466 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:01:43 -0500 Received: from wellington.cnchost.com (wellington.concentric.net [207.155.252.14]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27433 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:01:42 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by wellington.cnchost.com id CAA04494; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:01:11 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16KwRa-0007Ze-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:01:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:00:50 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OLD hardware to give away!!! Message-ID: <20011231020050.B26692@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <3C2F97A1.61C5149D@tampabay.rr.com> <3C2FB941.5050207@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C2FB941.5050207@tampabay.rr.com>; from ecentan1@tampabay.rr.com on Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 08:02:57PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 08:02:57PM -0500, Ed Centanni wrote: > My initial reaction was "surely Linux will not run on an old PC-XT", but > I decided to make sure before replying. Glad I did. > > The ELKS (Embeddable Linux Kernel Subset > http://elks.sourceforge.net/faq/english-faq.html#1.4) could probably be > made to run but don't expect a point-and-click install or much > functionality after booting up. I stand corrected. This has come up before, and conventional wisdom was that it was only with the advent of the 80386 that the Intel CPUs were able to do the memory management necessary to run Linux. So the suggestion was always to run something else on 808Xs, like maybe Minix. Thanks to the man with the Vast Underground Cavern of Links, we now know that Anita can fire up her gcc cross-compiler and run a subset of Linux on her XT machine! Anita, we'll be waiting for a full report! ;-} Paul P.S. I believe that the GNU Project is currently working on the Fence Post Cross Compiler (FPCC), in case anyone has fence posts they'd like to run Linux on. I'm told it will be ready Real Soon Now (tm). From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 10:32:52 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA11008 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:32:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA11005 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:32:51 -0500 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA28858 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:32:51 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 15:32:19 -0000 Message-ID: <3C308769.CA81013B@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:42:33 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HELLLLLP Kernal panics - long post References: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> <01122913033700.01252@24285hfc17> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Glen; Bios: Award date 10/15/99 ver 4.51PG Processor AMD-K6 3D processor Creative Sound Blaster 16 plug and play Realtek RTL8029 PCI Ethernet NIC Trident Blade 3D PCI/AGP (v6.50.5452-46ICD VIA bus master PCI IDE controller (primary and secondary) Fixed disk 1 IBM 2 Gig Fixed disk 2 western digital 20 Gig CD-Rom 1 Memorex CRW-1622 CD-Rom 2 Memorex 40X cdrom monitor Samsung SyncMaster 17GLi Let me know if I'm missing something here. Thanks Mike M. Glen wrote: > > What's the system info - chipsets, processors, drives, etc - now's a good > time to show him what kind of *support* we have! > > Glen > > On Saturday 29 December 2001 08:36, you wrote: > > After months of telling my Son how wonderful Linux is. He finally asked > > me to help him install it. We attempted to install it on his machine, > > yesterday. And know he thinks his Dad is crazy :( -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:39:47 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29038 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:39:46 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBVGdG223733 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:39:16 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:02:19 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] dot's function in *nix Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug That's interesting! I touch-ed ttt and 'ls | grep ".."' found it, so I suppose it literally states "LiSt all and obtain(grep) any filename/directories with two characters or more", yet it missed the files beginning with a dot. However, with respect to Paul Foster's reply, I see why it did, so in doing a: ls -a | grep ".." it picks up *all* files/directories (including the hidden ones--ones beginning with a dot). I'll have to take Ed Centanni's advice and check out more in the man page for grep about these nifty regular expressions. My electronic organizer has a database of regular expressions although I could never figure out how to use them. Maybe now, I will. Mario >The difference is dot in a command shell context (ls . or ./myscript) >where is means the current directory versus dot in a regulat expression >context (apropos .) where it matches any single character. And of >course it can also be used in filenames as a normal character.. > >try this >mkdir tmp >cd tmp >touch t >touch tt >ls | grep "." >ls | grep ".." > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Jim Wildman, CISSP jim@rossberry.com >817-308-3868 http://www.rossberry.com > >On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Mario Lombardo wrote: > >> In the thread subject 'A "whatis" catalog', I was once again >> mystified by the use of the dot in Unix-like systems. I originally >> thought the use of dot was merely to state "here" or "from here" as >> in the example of filesytems use: >> >> ls . >> sh ./myscript >> >> But the dot turned out to be more than that when I saw people using >> it in other ways; most recently from Ed Centanni's REply to my >> question with this as the best working model: >> >> apropos . | sort > mycatalog.txt >> versus... >> apropos * | sort > mycatalog.txt >> >> I don't understand the literal interpretation of the dot in this >> example versus using an asterisk. Actually, an asterisk doesn't >> discover as many commands as the dot. In fact, doing a search for >> the command chfn doesn't come up in the asterisk solution, yet it >> comes up in the dot solution. This seems opposite of what would work >> in the DOS world--which is my background. >> >> URL reading sources are fine. I just want to understand how to > > utilize this little gem in other ways...if there are any more. > > > > Thanks, > > Mario > > -- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 11:39:48 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA11231 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:39:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11228 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:39:47 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29040 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:39:47 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBVGdH223746 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:39:17 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20011231014823.A26692@quillandmouse.com> References: <20011231014823.A26692@quillandmouse.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:35:34 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] dot's function in *nix Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Paul, I think Britanicca would appreciate your efforts almost as much as we do :'). Thanks! I have some reading to do. After all of the replies, I feel like I would enjoy taking a class on just regular expressions and shell programming, so if any of you have some books/references at the tip of your tongues (keyboards), fire away! Mario >On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 03:39:59PM -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > >> In the thread subject 'A "whatis" catalog', I was once again >> mystified by the use of the dot in Unix-like systems. I originally >> thought the use of dot was merely to state "here" or "from here" as >> in the example of filesytems use: >> >> ls . >> sh ./myscript >> >> But the dot turned out to be more than that when I saw people using >> it in other ways; most recently from Ed Centanni's REply to my >> question with this as the best working model: >> >> apropos . | sort > mycatalog.txt >> versus... >> apropos * | sort > mycatalog.txt >> >> I don't understand the literal interpretation of the dot in this >> example versus using an asterisk. Actually, an asterisk doesn't >> discover as many commands as the dot. In fact, doing a search for >> the command chfn doesn't come up in the asterisk solution, yet it >> comes up in the dot solution. This seems opposite of what would work >> in the DOS world--which is my background. >> >> URL reading sources are fine. I just want to understand how to >> utilize this little gem in other ways...if there are any more. >> >> Thanks, >> Mario > >The dot in front of a filename also signifies that the file is "hidden" >from standard file-type commands like ls, cp and such. In the case >above, this wouldn't apply, as the dot is _not_ part of the filename: >./myscript (the filename is myscript in the ./ [this] directory; if it >were hidden, it would be ./.myscript). In that case, it's exactly what >you said-- "here" or "this directory". > >To make a long story short, "apropos ." gives you everything in the >whatis file, because it treats the dot as a regular expression for "any >character". And the star [inadvertantly] gets expanded by the shell to >be all the files in your current directory, so you get the output of >apropos against _each_ filename in your current directory. For a more >complete explanation, read on. > >The man pages don't shed any light on the use of the apropos command >with the dot or the star. However, apropos is a shell script, so you can >look at the source to determine what it's doing. Apropos runs against >the whatis files, wherever they are. In the case of Red Hat, that's >/var/cache/man/whatis, $manpath/whatis ($manpath will generally be >various directories, like /usr/share/man), and /usr/lib/whatis. The >whatis files are compiled by the makewhatis program, which often runs >as a cron job periodically to rebuild the whatis files. Whatis files are >basically the output of man against each command there's a man page for. >You can run "less /var/cache/man/whatis" and you'll see what I mean. > >Apropos basically runs a grep command (twice) against the whatis files >that it finds, looking for whatever you've given it. If you give it a >'z' (as in "apropos z") it will find every line in the whatis files that >contains a 'z' and output them. > > >From some experimenting with star and dot, here is what I think is >happening. With the dot (.), apropos (and grep) look for _anything_ in >the whatis files. That is, it uses the dot as part of a regular >expression. In that case, the dot would represent any character, so >you'd get the whole contents of the whatis files. In the case of the >star (*), I believe that before executing grep, the shell expands the >star to include the filenames of all the files in the current directory. >So what you get is something like: > >grep -ia thisfile thatfile theotherfile ... /var/cache/man/whatis > >assuming thisfile, thatfile, etc. are all files in your current >directory. If your home directory is populated with a few files, you can >test this by running > >apropos * > junk > >and then look at the junk file. You'll see that apropos attempted to run >the grep against every file in your home directory. So, for example, if >you have a "Mail" subdirectory in your home directory, you'll get the >result of running "apropos mail" (apropos is case insensitive) along >with similar output for each and every file in your home directory. > >(I don't really think apropos was intended to be run with the star. The >behavior of the shell expanding the star prior to executing grep is >inconsistent with the usual behavior of apropos. This may be material >for a bug report.) > >All of this is based on experiments with the apropos command on a Red >Hat 7.2 system (apropos from man 1.5i1), run from my home directory. If >your apropos command is not the same as mine, YMMV. > >HTH, > >Paul -- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 11:15:29 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA11167 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:15:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11164 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:15:29 -0500 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA28985 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:15:28 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 16:14:57 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3090F8.8D6ABDBA@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:23:20 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HELLLLLP Kernal panics - long post References: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> <01122923112609.27309@a.genesis.com> <3C2F5AC7.5A4B9DA7@illusionary.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Derek; lspci output: 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C598 [Apollo MVP3] (rev 04) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C598/694x [Apollo MVP3/Pro133x AGP] 00:07.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586/A/B PCI-to-ISA [Apollo VP] (rev 47) 00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06) 00:07.3 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586B ACPI (rev 10) 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8029(AS) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems Blade 3D PCI/AGP (rev 3a Linux version 2.4.2-2 (root@porky.devel.redhat.com) (gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-79)) #1 Sun Apr 8 19:37:14 EDT 2001 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 @ 0000000000000000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 0000000000000400 @ 000000000009fc00 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0000000000010000 @ 00000000000f0000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0000000000010000 @ 00000000ffff0000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0000000003f00000 @ 0000000000100000 (usable) On node 0 totalpages: 16384 zone(0): 4096 pages. zone DMA has max 32 cached pages. zone(1): 12288 pages. zone Normal has max 96 cached pages. zone(2): 0 pages. zone HighMem has max 1 cached pages. Kernel command line: auto BOOT_IMAGE=linux ro root=343 BOOT_FILE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.2-2 hdd=ide-scsi ide_setup: hdd=ide-scsi Initializing CPU#0 Detected 501.143 MHz processor. Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 999.42 BogoMIPS Memory: 62052k/65536k available (1363k kernel code, 3096k reserved, 92k data, 232k init, 0k highmem) Dentry-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) Buffer-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 2, 16384 bytes) Page-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) Inode-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768 bytes) VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_6.5.0 initialized CPU: Before vendor init, caps: 008021bf 808029bf 00000000, vendor = 2 CPU: L1 I Cache: 32K (32 bytes/line), D cache 32K (32 bytes/line) CPU: After vendor init, caps: 008021bf 808029bf 00000000 00000002 CPU: After generic, caps: 008021bf 808029bf 00000000 00000002 CPU: Common caps: 008021bf 808029bf 00000000 00000002 CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor stepping 0c Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX mtrr: v1.37 (20001109) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au) mtrr: detected mtrr type: AMD K6 PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfb480, last bus=1 PCI: Using configuration type 1 PCI: Probing PCI hardware PCI: Disabled enhanced CPU to PCI posting #2 Unknown bridge resource 0: assuming transparent Unknown bridge resource 2: assuming transparent PCI: Using IRQ router VIA [1106/0586] at 00:07.0 Activating ISA DMA hang workarounds. isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards... isapnp: Calling quirk for 01:00 isapnp: SB audio device quirk - increasing port range isapnp: Card 'Creative ViBRA16X PnP' isapnp: 1 Plug & Play card detected total Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 Initializing RT netlink socket apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x07 (Driver version 1.14) Starting kswapd v1.8 pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured block: queued sectors max/low 41109kB/13703kB, 128 slots per queue RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024 blocksize Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 39 VP_IDE: chipset revision 6 VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later VP_IDE: VIA vt82c586b (rev 47) IDE UDMA33 controller on pci00:07.1 ide0: BM-DMA at 0xe000-0xe007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA ide1: BM-DMA at 0xe008-0xe00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA hda: IBM-DHEA-34330, ATA DISK drive hdb: WDC WD100EB-00BHF0, ATA DISK drive hdc: ATAPI 40X CDROM, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive hdd: Memorex CRW-1622, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 hda: 8249472 sectors (4224 MB) w/476KiB Cache, CHS=1023/128/63, UDMA(33) hdb: 19541088 sectors (10005 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=1216/255/63, UDMA(33) Partition check: hda: hda1 hdb: hdb1 hdb2 hdb3 hdb4 < hdb5 hdb6 > Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077 Serial driver version 5.02 (2000-08-09) with MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI ISAPNP enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A Real Time Clock Driver v1.10d md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27 md.c: sizeof(mdp_super_t) = 4096 autodetecting RAID arrays autorun ... ... autorun DONE. NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP IP: routing cache hash table of 512 buckets, 4Kbytes TCP: Hash tables configured (established 4096 bind 4096) Linux IP multicast router 0.06 plus PIM-SM NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0. VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. Freeing unused kernel memory: 232k freed Adding Swap: 265032k swap-space (priority -1) hdc: ATAPI 40X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache, UDMA(33) Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12 SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices Vendor: Memorex Model: CRW-1622 Rev: D4.0 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Winbond Super-IO detection, now testing ports 3F0,370,250,4E,2E ... Winbond chip at EFER=0x3f0 key=0x87 devid=fc devrev=ff oldid=1c Winbond chip type 83877TF SMSC Super-IO detection, now testing Ports 2F0, 370 ... parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP] parport0: cpp_mux: aa55f00f52ad51(3f) parport0: cpp_daisy: aa5500ff(38) parport0: assign_addrs: aa5500ff(38) parport0: cpp_mux: aa55f00f52ad51(3f) parport0: cpp_daisy: aa5500ff(38) parport0: assign_addrs: aa5500ff(38) parport1: PC-style at 0x278 [PCSPP,TRISTATE] parport1: cpp_mux: aa55f00f52ad51(86) parport1: cpp_daisy: aa5500ff(80) parport1: assign_addrs: aa5500ff(80) parport1: cpp_mux: aa55f00f52ad51(86) parport1: cpp_daisy: aa5500ff(80) parport1: assign_addrs: aa5500ff(80) ip_conntrack (512 buckets, 4096 max) ne2k-pci.c:v1.02 10/19/2000 D. Becker/P. Gortmaker http://www.scyld.com/network/ne2k-pci.html PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:09.0 eth0: RealTek RTL-8029 found at 0xe800, IRQ 10, 00:E0:29:72:A6:8E. Soundblaster audio driver Copyright (C) by Hannu Savolainen 1993-1996 sb: Creative ViBRA16X PnP detected sb: ISAPnP reports 'Creative ViBRA16X PnP' at i/o 0x220, irq 5, dma 1, 3 SB 4.16 detected OK (220) SB16: Bad or missing 16 bit DMA channel sb: 1 Soundblaster PnP card(s) found. Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 2x/6x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Thanks Mike M. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 12:20:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA11391 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:20:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA11388 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:20:04 -0500 Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29165 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:20:04 -0500 Received: from sdn-ar-002txfworp035.dialsprint.net ([168.191.159.147] helo=newross.rossberry.private) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16L661-0002t8-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:19:33 -0800 Received: from localhost (jawildman@localhost) by newross.rossberry.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBVHHEc20712 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:17:14 -0600 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:17:14 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Wildman To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] dot's function in *nix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug That's exactly right. The grep expression will match any filename with 2 or more characters in its name. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP jim@rossberry.com 817-308-3868 http://www.rossberry.com On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Mario Lombardo wrote: > That's interesting! I touch-ed ttt and 'ls | grep ".."' found it, so > I suppose it literally states "LiSt all and obtain(grep) any > filename/directories with two characters or more", yet it missed the > files beginning with a dot. > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 12:26:32 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA11409 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:26:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA11406 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:26:31 -0500 Received: from renown.cnchost.com (renown.concentric.net [207.155.248.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29179 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:26:31 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by renown.cnchost.com id MAA02153; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:25:59 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16L6CF-0008NF-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:25:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:25:51 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] KVMs Revisited Message-ID: <20011231122551.A32064@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug For those of you who had problems with KVMs, particularly with the loss of your mouse when switching between machines, there's a tech support answer in the current Linux Journal. To be brief, a PS/2 mouse has a configuration that is initialized during setup. The KVM is supposed to restore that config when you switch back to that machine. I suppose a bad or poorly designed KVM doesn't do this. This also explains why the KVM I bought wouldn't work with one of my mice. It was a serial mouse that I tried to use a PS/2 adapter on. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 14:30:14 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA11724 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:30:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA11721 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:30:13 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29430 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:30:13 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBVJTcW11806 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:29:38 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HELLLLLP Kernal panics - long post Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:34:11 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> <01122913033700.01252@24285hfc17> <3C308769.CA81013B@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C308769.CA81013B@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01123114341100.01252@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Everything on that computer is supported fully, no question. The RAM check is where I'd start. I had similar problems a while ago in that my computer would boot, but only if it were totally cold. A 'shutdown -r now' yielded an unbootable box. A friend gave me 2 256M ECC SDRAM sticks, and now all is well. It was the memory, after all. On a totally unrelated note: The slockets came. They're both defective !!! If you lock the ZIF sockets down, the pinholes completely close over the contacts and slide over the edges of the undercarriage - enough that if I were to close them with a processor in them, they would *shear off the pins*. Still looking for a source for good FCPGA slockets -- *sigh*. Brand name slockets are almost impossible to find now. A real shame 'cuz these are very solid, cleanly made parts. Glen On Monday 31 December 2001 10:42, you wrote: > Glen; > Bios: Award date 10/15/99 ver 4.51PG > Processor AMD-K6 3D processor > Creative Sound Blaster 16 plug and play > Realtek RTL8029 PCI Ethernet NIC > Trident Blade 3D PCI/AGP (v6.50.5452-46ICD > VIA bus master PCI IDE controller (primary and secondary) > Fixed disk 1 IBM 2 Gig > Fixed disk 2 western digital 20 Gig > CD-Rom 1 Memorex CRW-1622 > CD-Rom 2 Memorex 40X cdrom > monitor Samsung SyncMaster 17GLi > > Let me know if I'm missing something here. > Thanks > Mike M. > > Glen wrote: > > What's the system info - chipsets, processors, drives, etc - now's a good > > time to show him what kind of *support* we have! > > > > Glen > > > > On Saturday 29 December 2001 08:36, you wrote: > > > After months of telling my Son how wonderful Linux is. He finally asked > > > me to help him install it. We attempted to install it on his machine, > > > yesterday. And know he thinks his Dad is crazy :( From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 15:13:12 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA11861 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:13:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA11858 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:13:12 -0500 Received: from omta04.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29543 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:13:11 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta04.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CE450621 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:12:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id E599636F9; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:12:38 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:12:38 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] modem help X-Originating-Ip: [209.4.43.206] Message-Id: <20011231201238.E599636F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I hope someone can help me with this. I'm trying to get a US Robotics modem to work on my laptop with linux so I can pull M$ off of it completely. The problem I'm having probably isn't with the modem, I'm able to dial out and it appears to connect, but then pppd dies. The messages I'm seeing in the log are: ATZ OK ATM1L1 OK ATDT7278127000 CONNECT 31200/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS Than at the bottom "Starting pppd". It sits for awhile then I get a message that pppd has died. Can anyone point me in the right direction on this, if more info is needed please feel free to ask. Thanks, Carson Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 15:45:18 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA11968 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:45:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA11965 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:45:17 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29644 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:45:17 -0500 Received: from there (242855hfc23.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.55.23]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBVKik320680 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:44:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200112312044.fBVKik320680@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Sound problems Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:48:16 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug All I have some odd sounds problems. I love to play Unreal Tournament and Railroad tycoon 2 on my linux box. My sound seems to work if I reinstall the game, but it doesn't stick. I get an error message: Warning Unable to open Audio; Couldn't open audio device or ESD connection. So I'm guessing that esd is not running? How do I make sure it start every time? Russ W From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 15:52:15 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA12023 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:52:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA12020 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:52:14 -0500 Received: from femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.40]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29697 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:52:14 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011231205143.XWQA18975.femail46.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:51:43 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HELLLLLP Kernal panics - long post Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:50:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> <3C308769.CA81013B@yahoo.com> <01123114341100.01252@24285hfc17> In-Reply-To: <01123114341100.01252@24285hfc17> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01123115505103.12361@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 31 December 2001 14:34, you wrote: > On a totally unrelated note: > The slockets came. They're both defective !!! If you lock the ZIF > sockets down, the pinholes completely close over the contacts and > slide over the edges of the undercarriage - enough that if I were > to close them with a processor in them, they would *shear off the > pins*. Still looking for a source for good FCPGA slockets -- > *sigh*. Brand name slockets are almost impossible to find now. A > real shame 'cuz these are very solid, cleanly made parts. > > Glen It may well be that the contacts are spring-loaded. Try inserting a piece of bell wire in the hole (22 / 24 gauge, I would think) and closing it to see if it actually does shear the wire. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1504484 40868 0 337308 829704 Swap: 401584 972 400612 Total: 1946936 1505456 441480 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 3:48pm up 11 days, 13:51, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.12 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 15:53:56 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA12032 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:53:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA12029 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:53:55 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29710 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:53:55 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBVKrO327346 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:53:25 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] modem help Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:57:54 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20011231201238.E599636F9@sitemail.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20011231201238.E599636F9@sitemail.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01123115575400.01298@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug When I used to see this it was because I had the pppd timeout set too short, so it would make the connection and then wait for less than a second before killing pppd. Try setting it to 30 seconds or so. If I'm wrong, at least I tried :) Glen On Monday 31 December 2001 15:12, you wrote: > I hope someone can help me with this. I'm trying to get a US Robotics modem > to work on my laptop with linux so I can pull M$ off of it completely. > > The problem I'm having probably isn't with the modem, I'm able to dial out > and it appears to connect, but then pppd dies. > > The messages I'm seeing in the log are: > > ATZ > OK > ATM1L1 > OK > ATDT7278127000 > CONNECT 31200/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS > > Than at the bottom "Starting pppd". It sits for awhile then I get a message > that pppd has died. > > Can anyone point me in the right direction on this, if more info is needed > please feel free to ask. > > Thanks, > Carson > > Carson R. Wilcox > Senior Consultant > DMR Consulting > Tampa, FL USA > > _____________________________________________________________ > Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 16:00:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA12049 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:00:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA12046 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:00:22 -0500 Received: from femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29754 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:00:22 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011231205946.WZPS23819.femail43.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:59:46 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dot's function in *nix Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:58:53 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20011231014823.A26692@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01123115585304.12361@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 31 December 2001 11:35, you wrote: > Paul, I think Britanicca would appreciate your efforts almost as > much as we do :'). Thanks! I have some reading to do. After all > of the replies, I feel like I would enjoy taking a class on just > regular expressions and shell programming, so if any of you have > some books/references at the tip of your tongues (keyboards), fire > away! > > Mario I just finished such a class at a local community college. We used "Unix Shell Programming" by Kochan & Wood. It's "so-so". One local sysad in my local LUG suggested "Linux in a Nutshell" by O'Reilly as being somewhat better. I would be inclined to agree with him. Man grep, sed, awk, sort, ls, cut, cat (and so on) are your friends even though they are hardly great literature. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1504508 40844 0 337308 829720 Swap: 401584 972 400612 Total: 1946936 1505480 441456 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 3:54pm up 11 days, 13:57, 2 users, load average: 0.04, 0.04, 0.08 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 16:05:36 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA12083 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:05:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA12080 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:05:35 -0500 Received: from femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.19]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29789 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:05:35 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011231210504.XYID4569.femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:05:04 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KVMs Revisited Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:04:11 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20011231122551.A32064@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20011231122551.A32064@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01123116041105.12361@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 31 December 2001 12:25, you wrote: > For those of you who had problems with KVMs, particularly with the > loss of your mouse when switching between machines, there's a tech > support answer in the current Linux Journal. (clip) > This also explains why the KVM I bought wouldn't work with one of > my mice. It was a serial mouse that I tried to use a PS/2 adapter > on. > > Paul Paul, as a "poor man's kludge" do the "Ctrl+Alt+Fn" key thing to get out to a text terminal before flipping the KVM switch. Works just fine even if it isn't very pretty. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1504432 40920 0 337308 829728 Swap: 401584 972 400612 Total: 1946936 1505404 441532 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 4:00pm up 11 days, 14:03, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.06 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 16:11:34 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA12120 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:11:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA12117 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:11:33 -0500 Received: from femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29829 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:11:33 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011231211102.XTBW1086.femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:11:02 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] modem help Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:10:09 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20011231201238.E599636F9@sitemail.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20011231201238.E599636F9@sitemail.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01123116100906.12361@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 31 December 2001 15:12, you wrote: > The problem I'm having probably isn't with the modem, I'm able to > dial out and it appears to connect, but then pppd dies. (clip) > > Than at the bottom "Starting pppd". It sits for awhile then I get a > message that pppd has died. BTDT. Check your authentication script. You ARE connecting to the remote server but are failing to authenticate yourself properly. What comm software are you using? Wvdial? Minicomm? Kpppd? Some other? Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1504528 40824 0 337308 829732 Swap: 401584 972 400612 Total: 1946936 1505500 441436 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 4:04pm up 11 days, 14:07, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.06 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 15:48:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA11994 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:48:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA11991 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:48:58 -0500 Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA29662 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:48:58 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 20:48:27 -0000 Message-ID: <3C30D116.A9C5DF21@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:56:54 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HELLLLLP Kernal panics - long post References: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> <01122913033700.01252@24285hfc17> <3C308769.CA81013B@yahoo.com> <01123114341100.01252@24285hfc17> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks Glen; I'll him run the memory checker from freshmeat. The symptoms you hard are what he is seeing. We found the if you let the box set long enough, it will boot back up, without reinstalling Linux. So it looks like the memory may be where the problem is at. Thanks again for you help. Mike M. Glen wrote: > > Everything on that computer is supported fully, no question. The RAM check is > where I'd start. I had similar problems a while ago in that my computer would > boot, but only if it were totally cold. A 'shutdown -r now' yielded an > unbootable box. A friend gave me 2 256M ECC SDRAM sticks, and now all is > well. It was the memory, after all. > > On a totally unrelated note: > The slockets came. They're both defective !!! If you lock the ZIF sockets > down, the pinholes completely close over the contacts and slide over the > edges of the undercarriage - enough that if I were to close them with a > processor in them, they would *shear off the pins*. Still looking for a > source for good FCPGA slockets -- *sigh*. Brand name slockets are almost > impossible to find now. A real shame 'cuz these are very solid, cleanly made > parts. > > Glen > > > On Monday 31 December 2001 10:42, you wrote: > > Glen; > > Bios: Award date 10/15/99 ver 4.51PG > > Processor AMD-K6 3D processor > > Creative Sound Blaster 16 plug and play > > Realtek RTL8029 PCI Ethernet NIC > > Trident Blade 3D PCI/AGP (v6.50.5452-46ICD > > VIA bus master PCI IDE controller (primary and secondary) > > Fixed disk 1 IBM 2 Gig > > Fixed disk 2 western digital 20 Gig > > CD-Rom 1 Memorex CRW-1622 > > CD-Rom 2 Memorex 40X cdrom > > monitor Samsung SyncMaster 17GLi > > > > Let me know if I'm missing something here. > > Thanks > > Mike M. > > > > Glen wrote: > > > What's the system info - chipsets, processors, drives, etc - now's a good > > > time to show him what kind of *support* we have! > > > > > > Glen > > > > > > On Saturday 29 December 2001 08:36, you wrote: > > > > After months of telling my Son how wonderful Linux is. He finally asked > > > > me to help him install it. We attempted to install it on his machine, > > > > yesterday. And know he thinks his Dad is crazy :( -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:20:46 -0500 Received: from omta05.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30020 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:20:46 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta05.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C7649A6A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:20:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 8A72C2756; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:20:15 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:20:15 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] modem help X-Originating-Ip: [209.4.40.126] Message-Id: <20011231222015.8A72C2756@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I appriciate the try :}. The timeout was set to 30 seconds, I increased it to 60 with out success. Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA --- Glen wrote: > >When I used to see this it was because I had the pppd timeout set too short, >so it would make the connection and then wait for less than a second before >killing pppd. Try setting it to 30 seconds or so. If I'm wrong, at least I >tried :) > > Glen > >On Monday 31 December 2001 15:12, you wrote: >> I hope someone can help me with this. I'm trying to get a US Robotics modem >> to work on my laptop with linux so I can pull M$ off of it completely. >> >> The problem I'm having probably isn't with the modem, I'm able to dial out >> and it appears to connect, but then pppd dies. >> >> The messages I'm seeing in the log are: >> >> ATZ >> OK >> ATM1L1 >> OK >> ATDT7278127000 >> CONNECT 31200/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS >> >> Than at the bottom "Starting pppd". It sits for awhile then I get a message >> that pppd has died. >> >> Can anyone point me in the right direction on this, if more info is needed >> please feel free to ask. >> >> Thanks, >> Carson >> >> Carson R. Wilcox >> Senior Consultant >> DMR Consulting >> Tampa, FL USA >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 17:29:30 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA12356 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:29:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA12353 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:29:30 -0500 Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30043 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:29:29 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C201C51F7 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 260723ECC; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:28:59 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:28:59 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Modem help X-Originating-Ip: [209.4.40.126] Message-Id: <20011231222859.260723ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I was wondering if anyone had connected linux to Internet Junction and if so has their IP address, I doubt that I'll be able to reach anyone there before Wed. Thanks. Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 17:29:34 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA12361 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:29:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA12358 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:29:34 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30045 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:29:34 -0500 Received: from aeon.vmlinux.com (653293hfc166.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.93.166]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBVMSxO27314 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:28:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:28:58 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Braman X-Sender: aeon@aeon.vmlinux.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dot's function in *nix In-Reply-To: <01123115585304.12361@a.genesis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Bill wrote: > I just finished such a class at a local community college. We used > "Unix Shell Programming" by Kochan & Wood. It's "so-so". One local > sysad in my local LUG suggested "Linux in a Nutshell" by O'Reilly as > being somewhat better. I would be inclined to agree with him. > > Man grep, sed, awk, sort, ls, cut, cat (and so on) are your friends > even though they are hardly great literature. If you want "great literature" you should try UNIX Power Tools. It is the premiere book on learning the "ways of UNIX". Primarily, it's a collections of short articles on various tools tied together with enough wit and humor to make the experience enjoyable. In addition, it serves as a darned good reference on the tools of the trade. No Linux-specific book comes close, so don't get into the habit of focusing just on Linux. Paul Braman aeon@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 17:19:04 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA12320 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:19:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA12317 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:19:04 -0500 Received: from omta05.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30014 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:19:03 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta05.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E5749A6A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:18:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 075352757; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:18:33 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:18:32 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] modem help X-Originating-Ip: [209.4.40.126] Message-Id: <20011231221833.075352757@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm using Kpppd. I believe the login and password are set correctly, but I will check it. Thanks Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA --- Bill wrote: >On Monday 31 December 2001 15:12, you wrote: >> The problem I'm having probably isn't with the modem, I'm able to >> dial out and it appears to connect, but then pppd dies. >(clip) >> >> Than at the bottom "Starting pppd". It sits for awhile then I get a >> message that pppd has died. > >BTDT. Check your authentication script. You ARE connecting to the >remote server but are failing to authenticate yourself properly. What >comm software are you using? Wvdial? Minicomm? Kpppd? Some other? > >Bill >-- > total used free shared buffers cached >Mem: 1545352 1504528 40824 0 337308 829732 >Swap: 401584 972 400612 >Total: 1946936 1505500 441436 >Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz >4:04pm up 11 days, 14:07, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.06 _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 16:55:44 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA12257 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:55:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA12254 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:55:43 -0500 Received: from warspite.cnchost.com (warspite.concentric.net [207.155.248.9]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29961 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:55:42 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by warspite.cnchost.com id QAA25998; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:55:11 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16LAOk-0000F4-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:55:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:55:05 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dot's function in *nix Message-ID: <20011231165505.D754@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <20011231014823.A26692@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from mario@alienscience.com on Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 11:35:34AM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 11:35:34AM -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > Paul, I think Britanicca would appreciate your efforts almost as much > as we do :'). Are you saying my reply was _really long_ for such a simple question? Hey, what can I say? The question intrigued me and I've got the day off. (Of course, only a true geek would go to that much trouble trying to figure something like that out on his day off. ;-) > Thanks! I have some reading to do. After all of the > replies, I feel like I would enjoy taking a class on just regular > expressions and shell programming, so if any of you have some > books/references at the tip of your tongues (keyboards), fire away! > Don't expect a lot of help from the man pages. There are at least a couple of varieties of regexps, and sometimes the man pages lie about what a program expects in a regexp. A presentation on regexps would be a good idea. Any takers? Paul From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 17:45:59 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA12433 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:45:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA12430 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:45:59 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30095 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:45:58 -0500 Received: from newcomputer (653267hfc62.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.62]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBVMjSW28200 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:45:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000601c1924d$0dca8dc0$3e432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Modem help Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:46:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug try this url. http://www.ij.net/tech_support_FAQ.htm#faq6 hope that helps you out! -----Original Message----- From: Carson Wilcox To: slug@nks.net Date: Monday, December 31, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: [SLUG] Modem help >I was wondering if anyone had connected linux to Internet Junction and if so has their IP address, I doubt that I'll be able to reach anyone there before Wed. > >Thanks. > >Carson R. Wilcox >Senior Consultant >DMR Consulting >Tampa, FL USA > >_____________________________________________________________ >Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 18:27:23 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA12548 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:27:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA12545 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:27:22 -0500 Received: from wellington.cnchost.com (wellington.concentric.net [207.155.252.14]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30183 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:27:22 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by wellington.cnchost.com id SAA03380; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:26:50 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16LBpS-0000Mm-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:26:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:26:45 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KVMs Revisited Message-ID: <20011231182645.A936@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <20011231122551.A32064@quillandmouse.com> <01123116041105.12361@a.genesis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01123116041105.12361@a.genesis.com>; from selinux@home.com on Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 04:04:11PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 04:04:11PM -0500, Bill wrote: > On Monday 31 December 2001 12:25, you wrote: > > For those of you who had problems with KVMs, particularly with the > > loss of your mouse when switching between machines, there's a tech > > support answer in the current Linux Journal. > (clip) > > This also explains why the KVM I bought wouldn't work with one of > > my mice. It was a serial mouse that I tried to use a PS/2 adapter > > on. > > > > Paul > > Paul, as a "poor man's kludge" do the "Ctrl+Alt+Fn" key thing to get > out to a text terminal before flipping the KVM switch. Works just > fine even if it isn't very pretty. > You assume I was in X to begin with. Bad assumption. Bad, bad assumption. ;-} Linux doesn't recognize the existence of the mouse when you use a PS/2 to serial adapter this way, and the company that makes the KVM explicitly says they don't support it. However, my solution was to just have a separate mouse for each machine. I still share the monitor and keyboard through the KVM. Mice don't take up much desk space. ;-} Paul From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 19:07:45 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA12652 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:07:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA12649 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:07:45 -0500 Received: from omta05.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30249 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:07:44 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta05.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5564989F for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:07:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 0D6D836F9; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:07:14 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:07:13 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Modem help X-Originating-Ip: [209.4.17.176] Message-Id: <20020101000714.0D6D836F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks, but there don't seem to mention their DNS IP address so I'll have to give them a call on Wed. Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA --- "Bpreece" wrote: >try this url. >http://www.ij.net/tech_support_FAQ.htm#faq6 > >hope that helps you out! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Carson Wilcox >To: slug@nks.net >Date: Monday, December 31, 2001 5:29 PM >Subject: [SLUG] Modem help > > >>I was wondering if anyone had connected linux to Internet Junction and if >so has their IP address, I doubt that I'll be able to reach anyone there >before Wed. >> >>Thanks. >> >>Carson R. Wilcox >>Senior Consultant >>DMR Consulting >>Tampa, FL USA >> >>_____________________________________________________________ >>Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 19:12:34 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA12669 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:12:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA12666 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:12:33 -0500 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA30261 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:12:33 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2002 00:12:02 -0000 Message-ID: <3C30F62F.7060405@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:35:11 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sound problems References: <200112312044.fBVKik320680@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Russ Wright wrote: > All > I have some odd sounds problems. > > I love to play Unreal Tournament and Railroad tycoon 2 on my linux box. My > sound seems to work if I reinstall the game, but it doesn't stick. I get an > error message: > Warning Unable to open Audio; Couldn't open audio device or ESD connection. > > > So I'm guessing that esd is not running? How do I make sure it start every > time? > This might be an odd Q:, but what GUI are you running? Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 19:14:05 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA12677 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:14:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA12674 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:14:05 -0500 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA30268 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:14:05 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2002 00:13:34 -0000 Message-ID: <3C30F68E.20807@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:36:46 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Happy GNU Year Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Just thought I'd follow the tradition: Happy Gnu Year Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 20:07:22 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA12822 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:07:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA12819 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:07:22 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30347 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:07:21 -0500 Received: from newcomputer (653267hfc62.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.62]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0116pO10279 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:06:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000c01c19260$cd68d5c0$3e432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Modem help Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:08:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug They Did not mention the I.P. ? QUESTION: "What are the DNS numbers?" ANSWER: In most cases using Windows 95 or Windows 98, you will not need to enable DNS numbers. If you do require them however, the primary DNS numbers are 207.22.166.60 and the secondary DNS numbers are 207.22.166.61 -----Original Message----- From: Carson Wilcox To: slug@nks.net Date: Monday, December 31, 2001 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Modem help >Thanks, but there don't seem to mention their DNS IP address so I'll have to give them a call on Wed. > > >Carson R. Wilcox >Senior Consultant >DMR Consulting >Tampa, FL USA > > >--- "Bpreece" wrote: >>try this url. >>http://www.ij.net/tech_support_FAQ.htm#faq6 >> >>hope that helps you out! >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Carson Wilcox >>To: slug@nks.net >>Date: Monday, December 31, 2001 5:29 PM >>Subject: [SLUG] Modem help >> >> >>>I was wondering if anyone had connected linux to Internet Junction and if >>so has their IP address, I doubt that I'll be able to reach anyone there >>before Wed. >>> >>>Thanks. >>> >>>Carson R. Wilcox >>>Senior Consultant >>>DMR Consulting >>>Tampa, FL USA >>> >>>_____________________________________________________________ >>>Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net > >_____________________________________________________________ >Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 20:14:48 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA12844 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:14:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA12841 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:14:48 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30362 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:14:47 -0500 Received: from there (242855hfc23.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.55.23]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g011EHO15069; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:14:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201010114.g011EHO15069@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net, Norbert Cartagena Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sound problems Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:17:48 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200112312044.fBVKik320680@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> <3C30F62F.7060405@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C30F62F.7060405@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Good Question! I'm running KDE 2.2.2 on top of mandrake 8.1. After a little fiddling I discovered that the game unreal tounament uses /dev/dsp. In mandrake the path is /dev/sound/dsp so I created a dynamic link in /dev and set the properties to 666. I tried again and got a message saying that the device was busy. So I I've disabled the arts sound server. and right now it works.... however I don't know for sure if I got it all. Russ W On Monday 31 December 2001 18:35, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Russ Wright wrote: > > All > > I have some odd sounds problems. > > > > I love to play Unreal Tournament and Railroad tycoon 2 on my linux box. > > My sound seems to work if I reinstall the game, but it doesn't stick. I > > get an error message: > > Warning Unable to open Audio; Couldn't open audio device or ESD > > connection. > > > > > > So I'm guessing that esd is not running? How do I make sure it start > > every time? > > This might be an odd Q:, but what GUI are you running? > > > Gnorb > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 20:55:06 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA12974 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:55:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA12971 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:55:05 -0500 Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp1.ij.net [207.100.203.149]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA30443 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:55:05 -0500 Received: (qmail 61813 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2002 01:57:02 -0000 Received: from adsl-87-201.adsl.ij.net (HELO ij.net) (209.216.87.201) by smtp1-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2002 01:57:02 -0000 Message-ID: <3C311753.38BA2F87@ij.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:56:35 -0500 From: Scott Piper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18pre21 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Modem help References: <20011231222859.260723ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I connected for years by phone to Internet Junction. It works fine with Linux, uses PAP authentication, and really there is nothing special you have to do. If you mean DNS address, just set your dialer program to use peer dns (I dont' use kppp but I think there is an option for it) and you won't have to enter it manually. You can enter /sbin/route -n and get the ip numbers for your route after you connect. scott Carson Wilcox wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had connected linux to Internet Junction and if so has their IP address, I doubt that I'll be able to reach anyone there before Wed. > > Thanks. > > Carson R. Wilcox > Senior Consultant > DMR Consulting > Tampa, FL USA > > _____________________________________________________________ > Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 20:19:25 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA12863 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:19:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA12860 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:19:24 -0500 Received: from femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.16]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30369 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:19:24 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020101011853.BIMQ22317.femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:18:53 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KVMs Revisited Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:18:00 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20011231122551.A32064@quillandmouse.com> <01123116041105.12361@a.genesis.com> <20011231182645.A936@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20011231182645.A936@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01123120180008.12361@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 31 December 2001 18:26, you wrote: > > You assume I was in X to begin with. Bad assumption. Bad, bad > assumption. ;-} Busted!!! But then, a mouse is of limited value to me at the CLI. :-) > > Linux doesn't recognize the existence of the mouse when you use a > PS/2 to serial adapter this way, and the company that makes the KVM > explicitly says they don't support it. Okay ... ya got me. I am using a mouse > USB > PS-2 adapter > rotary KVM and a PS-2 output to the computer. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1475420 69932 0 337368 820724 Swap: 401584 972 400612 Total: 1946936 1476392 470544 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 8:13pm up 11 days, 18:16, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.04 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 20:26:20 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA12881 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:26:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA12878 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:26:19 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30385 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:26:19 -0500 Received: from there (242855hfc23.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.55.23]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g011PmO22410 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:25:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201010125.g011PmO22410@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sound problems Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:29:20 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200112312044.fBVKik320680@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200112312044.fBVKik320680@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug One more little tidbit.. I discovered that my application was looking fro /dev/dsp in Mandrake I see /dev/sound/dsp. So as root I created a symlink. I rebooted and came back in and my symlink was gone.... Uhhhh what's that all about? Russ On Monday 31 December 2001 15:48, you wrote: > All > I have some odd sounds problems. > > I love to play Unreal Tournament and Railroad tycoon 2 on my linux box. > My sound seems to work if I reinstall the game, but it doesn't stick. I > get an error message: > Warning Unable to open Audio; Couldn't open audio device or ESD connection. > > > So I'm guessing that esd is not running? How do I make sure it start every > time? > > Russ W From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 20:35:32 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA12914 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:35:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA12911 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:35:32 -0500 Received: from pop009pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.236]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30402 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:35:31 -0500 Received: from Desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-188.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.188]) by pop009pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g011Z4Q5014391 Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:35:05 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <050701c19264$77b7be80$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: Subject: [SLUG] Activating X-Windows from Debian 2.2._r4 Binary CD? Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:41:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ok, got the Debian Official Binary-i386 Version 2.2._r4 Disk 1 CD today and proceeded to load it up on my OmniBook. Everything seemed to go well and my pcmcia nic fired up and connected with my ADSL box. I also got the Binary-i386 3? Pre-BETA Disk one, in case I needed a newer driver or something. I have Progeny and Stormix, as well as a couple of CD's that came with Linux mags. QUESTION: How do I get KDE working, please? I tried "apt-get install kde" with "deb http://kde.tdyc.com/ stable kde2" in sources.list It grabbed some part of KDE and started to install it but then spit up due to the absence of the following: /usr/lib/libkhelpcenter.so.1 /usr/lib/libkrunapplet.so.1 /usr/lib/libnaughtyapplet.so.1 /usr/lib/libnsplugin.so.1 I don't have any sort of X-windows running yet. I am guessing I said no or yes or default to something in the setup that resulted in no X? Help? Thanks! Doc From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 21:15:13 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA13038 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 21:15:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA13035 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 21:15:13 -0500 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA30484 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 21:15:12 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2002 02:14:42 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3112CD.6070609@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:37:17 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sound problems References: <200112312044.fBVKik320680@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> <200201010125.g011PmO22410@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Russ Wright wrote: > One more little tidbit.. > > I discovered that my application was looking fro /dev/dsp in Mandrake I see > /dev/sound/dsp. So as root I created a symlink. I rebooted and came back in > and my symlink was gone.... Uhhhh what's that all about? > > Russ > Yeah, this happened to me too, but I was using Red Hat 7.1, which uses devfs - I think that's what Drake uses, too. Unfortunatelly, that's as much as I know about it. Sorry that I'm not able to be of any more help. Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 22:00:07 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA13155 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:00:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA13152 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:00:07 -0500 Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA30538 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:00:06 -0500 Received: from 242863hfc170.tampabay.rr.com (HELO ?192.168.0.66?) (24.28.63.170) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2002 02:59:36 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sound problems From: Jeff Skube To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200201010125.g011PmO22410@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200112312044.fBVKik320680@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> <200201010125.g011PmO22410@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 31 Dec 2001 21:59:35 -0500 Message-Id: <1009853976.27949.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Youve discovered the joys of DevFS =) I personally dislike DevFS because alot of modules still dont support like the NVidia drivers. A quick search on mandrake forum you should find your answers to make DevFS not delete or you can just disable it. I recommend the last one. Jeff On Mon, 2001-12-31 at 20:29, Russ Wright wrote: > One more little tidbit.. > > I discovered that my application was looking fro /dev/dsp in Mandrake I see > /dev/sound/dsp. So as root I created a symlink. I rebooted and came back in > and my symlink was gone.... Uhhhh what's that all about? > > Russ > > > On Monday 31 December 2001 15:48, you wrote: > > All > > I have some odd sounds problems. > > > > I love to play Unreal Tournament and Railroad tycoon 2 on my linux box. > > My sound seems to work if I reinstall the game, but it doesn't stick. I > > get an error message: > > Warning Unable to open Audio; Couldn't open audio device or ESD connection. > > > > > > So I'm guessing that esd is not running? How do I make sure it start every > > time? > > > > Russ W _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Dec 31 22:17:38 2001 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA13201 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:17:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA13198 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:17:37 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30569 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:17:37 -0500 Received: from there (242855hfc23.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.55.23]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g013H6207416 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:17:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201010317.g013H6207416@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sound problems Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:20:38 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200112312044.fBVKik320680@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> <200201010125.g011PmO22410@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200201010125.g011PmO22410@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I think I found the solution. The /dev/dsp is created when referenced. I load my sound as a module. I think if I compile it into the kernel it will be ther all the time. I'll keep ya posted. Russ On Monday 31 December 2001 20:29, you wrote: > One more little tidbit.. > > I discovered that my application was looking fro /dev/dsp in Mandrake I > see /dev/sound/dsp. So as root I created a symlink. I rebooted and came > back in and my symlink was gone.... Uhhhh what's that all about? > > Russ > > On Monday 31 December 2001 15:48, you wrote: > > All > > I have some odd sounds problems. > > > > I love to play Unreal Tournament and Railroad tycoon 2 on my linux box. > > My sound seems to work if I reinstall the game, but it doesn't stick. I > > get an error message: > > Warning Unable to open Audio; Couldn't open audio device or ESD > > connection. > > > > > > So I'm guessing that esd is not running? How do I make sure it start > > every time? > > > > Russ W