From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 01:01:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA13647 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:01:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA13644 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:01:43 -0500 Received: from agamemnon.cnchost.com (agamemnon.cnchost.com [207.155.252.31]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30978 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:01:42 -0500 From: paulf@quillandmouse.com Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by agamemnon.cnchost.com id BAA02932; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:01:11 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16LHz3-0000yd-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 01:01:09 -0500 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Mailing List Policies Message-Id: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 01:01:09 -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug (This is a regular posting of the charter for the SLUG email list.) MAILING LIST POLICIES ===================== CONTENT WE ACCEPT (IN ORDER OF DECREASING BANDWIDTH): ----------------------------------------------------- 1) Technical (Linux or computer-related) questions and answers. This is the primary reason for this list-- to provide mutual assistance to SLUG members with technical questions. 2) Announcements of upcoming SLUG events and summaries of recent events. Self-explanatory, though the SLUG Announce list is really the preferred forum for announcements. 3) Official communications from SLUG officers to members of SLUG. Self-explanatory. 4) Linux advocacy. Self-explanatory, but remember that bandwidth on the list should primarily be for #1 above. 5) Linux or computer related humor or news. Humor is acceptable, so long as it is tasteful and does not chew up too much bandwidth. Racial, religious, male- or female-chauvinist humor is not acceptable. 6) Commercial offerings. We are a "limited commercial interruptions" list. 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If you believe that they deserve your contempt, express your opinion and use the actual name of the company. 3) Pornography or advertisements for it. It's a family list, okay? 4) Politics/Religion While we don't want to restrain anyone's right to free speech, this isn't really the correct forum for political or religious discussion. 5) HTML email. It is established internet policy that HTML email is unacceptable. This is doubly true here, where our list is run by Majordomo, which "bounces" all HTML email off the list. ADMINISTRIVIA: -------------- Traditionally, internet list servers and admins are sensitive about useless waste of bandwidth. You can do your part by "trimming" text in replies that isn't pertinent to the point you wish to make. Likewise, the list server software adds a "brand" at the end of each post. Please trim this as well, and any sig lines not pertinent to your communication. This list is not "moderated". 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 02:26:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA13860 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:26:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA13854 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:26:21 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA31197; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:26:21 -0500 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.142.246]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020101072550.NUBC15547.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 07:25:50 +0000 Message-ID: <3C3165DE.2E8F242A@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 02:31:42 -0500 From: "Maureen L. Thomas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.8-34.1mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SLUG , Slug_Politics Subject: [SLUG] DOJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have already put my 2c worth in regarding the microsoft case. I really hope enough people follow through so that maybe the DOJ will see the error of his way. HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone!! From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 09:35:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA15090 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:35:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA15087 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:35:21 -0500 Received: from omta05.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32278 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:35:20 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta05.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761DF48888 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 484EF2756; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:34:50 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:34:50 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Modem help X-Originating-Ip: [209.4.43.254] Message-Id: <20020101143450.484EF2756@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Sorry, guess I missed that. Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA --- "Bpreece" wrote: >They Did not mention the I.P. ? QUESTION: "What are the DNS numbers?" > >ANSWER: In most cases using Windows 95 or Windows 98, you will not need to >enable DNS numbers. If you do require them however, the primary DNS numbers >are 207.22.166.60 and the secondary DNS numbers are 207.22.166.61 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Carson Wilcox >To: slug@nks.net >Date: Monday, December 31, 2001 7:07 PM >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Modem help > > >>Thanks, but there don't seem to mention their DNS IP address so I'll have >to give them a call on Wed. >> >> >>Carson R. Wilcox >>Senior Consultant >>DMR Consulting >>Tampa, FL USA >> >> >>--- "Bpreece" wrote: >>>try this url. >>>http://www.ij.net/tech_support_FAQ.htm#faq6 >>> >>>hope that helps you out! >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Carson Wilcox >>>To: slug@nks.net >>>Date: Monday, December 31, 2001 5:29 PM >>>Subject: [SLUG] Modem help >>> >>> >>>>I was wondering if anyone had connected linux to Internet Junction and if >>>so has their IP address, I doubt that I'll be able to reach anyone there >>>before Wed. >>>> >>>>Thanks. >>>> >>>>Carson R. Wilcox >>>>Senior Consultant >>>>DMR Consulting >>>>Tampa, FL USA >>>> >>>>_____________________________________________________________ >>>>Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net >> >>_____________________________________________________________ >>Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 11:23:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA15373 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:23:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA15368 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:23:05 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32404; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:23:04 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc03.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.3]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g01GMXO29796; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:22:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C31E25F.8070002@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:22:55 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "[SLUG]" , "[SLUG]Slug Announce" CC: "[SLUG]linux-announce@news.ornl.gov" Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meeting Announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug WHEN AND WHERE: 3 January 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL Take I-4 East to I-75 South. Go south on 75 to the second exit (Hwy 60, Exit 53). Head left (east) under the overpass, and make sure you're in the right lane. When you go to the entrance for Brandon Town Center, you'll see Barnes & Noble on your immediate right. 5 January 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey 9 January 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd Lakepointe I Building Tampa, FL 33607 See the SLUG website (www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) for directions. 17 January 19:00-21:00 Brandon II (third Thursday of each month) 217 Brandon Town Center Drive Brandon, FL Across the street from Barnes & Noble, next to Target and Honey Baked Hams. See the SLUG website suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) for directions. 22 January 19:00-21:00 Sarasota (fourth Tuesday of each month) Certification, Inc. 2033 Wood Street Suite 220 Sarasota, FL 34237 See the SLUG website (www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html) for directions 26 January 09:30-12:00 Dunedin (fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library, 223 Douglas Ave., Community Room A. Dunedin ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentations: to be announced 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) FOLLOWING MEETINGS: 2 February 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) 7 February 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) 13 February 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) 21 February 19:00-21:00 Brandon II (third Thursday of each month) 26 February 19:00-21:00 Sarasota (fourth Tuesday of each month) 23 February 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (fourth Saturday of each month) From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 11:48:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA15430 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:48:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA15427 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:48:18 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32424 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:48:18 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc03.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.3]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g01Gll315820 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:47:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C31E844.50202@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:48:04 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "[SLUG]" Subject: [SLUG] Free to a good home... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Linux Journal magazines from Feb 1996 to Dec 2000. I got the Linux Jounal CD for Christmas and since there's plenty of room in the Vast Underground Caverns(tm) for it, I decided to get rid of the print forest. Ed. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 12:59:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA15618 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:59:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA15615 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:59:40 -0500 Received: from femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.144]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32541 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:59:40 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020101175909.PHRO11330.femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com>; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:59:09 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill Subject: [SLUG] what's up with libperl.so ? Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:58:14 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201011256200D.12361@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: mdlug-tech@radiusnet.net, SUNCOAST LUG Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug [bill@a bill]$ vi vi: error while loading shared libraries: libperl.so: cannot load shared object file: No such file or directory [bill@a bill]$ locate libperl.so /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/CORE/libperl.so Okay ... until I get this sorted out, I have no vi and it appears I have no Mandrake Update, either. I DON'T wanna bounce the machine ... so what's the most direct and painless way of handling this? I've had my nose in a text book since 3 a.m. (when I woke up) and that was about 10 hours ago. It's 1 pm and my brain is already fried. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1389280 156072 0 267348 806196 Swap: 401584 2648 398936 Total: 1946936 1391928 555008 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 12:52pmup 12 days, 10:55, 2 users, load average: 0.05, 0.07, 0.15 From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 13:23:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA15683 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:23:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA15680 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:23:38 -0500 Received: from glatton.cnchost.com (glatton.cnchost.com [207.155.248.47]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32582 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:23:37 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by glatton.cnchost.com id NAA13832; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:23:03 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16LTZ0-0001pW-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 13:23:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:22:57 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Free to a good home... Message-ID: <20020101132257.A7025@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <3C31E844.50202@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C31E844.50202@tampabay.rr.com>; from ecentan1@tampabay.rr.com on Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:48:04AM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 11:48:04AM -0500, Ed Centanni wrote: > Linux Journal magazines from Feb 1996 to Dec 2000. I got the Linux > Jounal CD for Christmas and since there's plenty of room in the Vast > Underground Caverns(tm) for it, I decided to get rid of the print forest. > These seem to disappear fairly well at meetings.... Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 14:25:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA15901 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:25:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA15898 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:25:51 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32736 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:25:51 -0500 Received: from aeon.vmlinux.com (653293hfc166.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.93.166]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g01JPKW27883 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:25:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:25:20 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Braman X-Sender: aeon@aeon.vmlinux.com To: SUNCOAST LUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] what's up with libperl.so ? In-Reply-To: <0201011256200D.12361@a.genesis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Bill wrote: > [bill@a bill]$ vi > vi: error while loading shared libraries: libperl.so: cannot load > shared object file: No such file or directory > > [bill@a bill]$ locate libperl.so > /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/CORE/libperl.so > > Okay ... until I get this sorted out, I have no vi and it appears I > have no Mandrake Update, either. I DON'T wanna bounce the machine ... > so what's the most direct and painless way of handling this? I've had > my nose in a text book since 3 a.m. (when I woke up) and that was > about 10 hours ago. It's 1 pm and my brain is already fried. There could be several problems. Check your LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable to see if there is a path to libperl.so in there (like PATH for executables). You can also check the permissions on the file itself. The error "file does not exist" sometimes means it just can't be opened for one reason or another. That's just two things off the top of my head. Paul Braman aeon@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 15:00:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA15987 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:00:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA15984 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:00:25 -0500 Received: from zorak.illusionary.lan (653229hfc141.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.29.141]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00314 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:00:24 -0500 Received: from illusionary.com (wraith [192.168.10.10]) by zorak.illusionary.lan (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA05582 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:59:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: zorak.illusionary.lan: Host wraith [192.168.10.10] claimed to be illusionary.com Message-ID: <3C321537.7F97B615@illusionary.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:59:51 -0500 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.16-xfs i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HELLLLLP Kernal panics - long post References: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> <01122923112609.27309@a.genesis.com> <3C2F5AC7.5A4B9DA7@illusionary.com> <3C3090F8.8D6ABDBA@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Mike Manchester wrote: > > Derek; > lspci output: [etc] Hi Mike, The good news is that all that hardware looks like stuff that should work just fine under Linux. The bad news is that all that hardware looks like stuff that should work just fine under Linux... The only thing that looks iffy is I know there have been problems with Western Digital drives in the past. I would seriously consider possibly flaky CPU or memory. Try digging up a copy of memtest86 and running it overnight and see if it turns anything up. Unfortunately, I don't see anything blatant that could be causing the problems. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- With Microsoft products, failure is not an option -- it's a standard component. Choose your life. Choose your future. Derek Glidden Choose Linux. http://www.illusionary.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 15:09:42 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA16019 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:09:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA16016 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:09:41 -0500 Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00338 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:09:41 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-161.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.161] helo=localhost) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16LVDe-0004qy-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 12:09:07 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16LVDO-00056r-00 for ; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 15:08:50 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Activating X-Windows from Debian 2.2._r4 Binary CD? Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:08:50 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <050701c19264$77b7be80$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> In-Reply-To: <050701c19264$77b7be80$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I don't think potato has a default for kde, since at the time of potato the libs weren't completely "free". You could try apt-get install task-kde or something along this line. Another option is to check at the debian website under the "Debian Packages" link, or you could upgrade to woody, since it's getting real close to a freeze now (TM) and it does include kde stuff, along with XFree86 4.1.x. Hope this helps! Russell Hires On Monday 31 December 2001 07:41 pm, you wrote: > Ok, got the Debian Official Binary-i386 Version 2.2._r4 Disk 1 CD > today and proceeded to load it up on my OmniBook. > > Everything seemed to go well and my pcmcia nic fired up and connected > with my ADSL box. > > I also got the Binary-i386 3? Pre-BETA Disk one, in case I needed a > newer driver or something. I have Progeny and Stormix, as well as a > couple of CD's that came with Linux mags. > > QUESTION: How do I get KDE working, please? I tried "apt-get > install kde" with "deb http://kde.tdyc.com/ stable kde2" in sources.list > It grabbed some part of KDE and started to install it but then spit up > due to the absence of the following: > > /usr/lib/libkhelpcenter.so.1 > /usr/lib/libkrunapplet.so.1 > /usr/lib/libnaughtyapplet.so.1 > /usr/lib/libnsplugin.so.1 > > I don't have any sort of X-windows running yet. I am guessing I said > no or yes or default to something in the setup that resulted in no X? > > Help? > > Thanks! Doc From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 15:04:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA15999 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:04:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA15996 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:04:00 -0500 Received: from zorak.illusionary.lan (653229hfc141.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.29.141]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00328 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:03:59 -0500 Received: from illusionary.com (wraith [192.168.10.10]) by zorak.illusionary.lan (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA05589 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:03:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: zorak.illusionary.lan: Host wraith [192.168.10.10] claimed to be illusionary.com Message-ID: <3C32160F.3E5E4533@illusionary.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 15:03:27 -0500 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.16-xfs i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HELLLLLP Kernal panics - long post References: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> <01122913033700.01252@24285hfc17> <3C308769.CA81013B@yahoo.com> <01123114341100.01252@24285hfc17> <3C30D116.A9C5DF21@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Mike Manchester wrote: > > Thanks Glen; > I'll him run the memory checker from freshmeat. The symptoms you hard > are what he is seeing. We found the if you let the box set long enough, > it will boot back up, without reinstalling Linux. So it looks like the > memory may be where the problem is at. Hmmm, if there's a fan on the CPU heatsink, check that it's running. Otherwise, that sort of symptom really sounds like heat-related either memory or motherboard or CPU. memtest86 will crank everything up pretty hot, so see if the box can be stable running it for a few hours or so. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- With Microsoft products, failure is not an option -- it's a standard component. Choose your life. Choose your future. Derek Glidden Choose Linux. http://www.illusionary.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 16:06:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA16161 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:06:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA16158 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:06:24 -0500 Received: from web11001.mail.yahoo.com (web11001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.51]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA00425 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:06:23 -0500 Message-ID: <20020101210553.34856.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.156.220.228] by web11001.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 13:05:53 PST Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:05:53 -0800 (PST) From: Toby FreakSoft Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mailing List Policies To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Unsubscribe freaksoft@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 16:57:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA16293 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:57:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA16290 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:57:52 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00511 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:57:52 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g01LvLW03586 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:57:21 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] what's up with libperl.so ? Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:01:14 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0201011256200D.12361@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: <0201011256200D.12361@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010117011400.01245@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Looks like there's something wrong with your ld search path. Can you try: 'ldconfig -n /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/CORE/' -OR- make a soft link to it from /usr/lib, and run ldconfig. It sounds like it should be under /usr/lib but the link is gone.... ? Glen On Tuesday 01 January 2002 12:58, you wrote: > [bill@a bill]$ vi > vi: error while loading shared libraries: libperl.so: cannot load > shared object file: No such file or directory > > [bill@a bill]$ locate libperl.so > /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/CORE/libperl.so > > Okay ... until I get this sorted out, I have no vi and it appears I > have no Mandrake Update, either. I DON'T wanna bounce the machine ... > so what's the most direct and painless way of handling this? I've had > my nose in a text book since 3 a.m. (when I woke up) and that was > about 10 hours ago. It's 1 pm and my brain is already fried. > > Bill From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 17:06:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA16315 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:06:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA16312 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:06:14 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00518 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:06:14 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g01M5h329406 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:05:43 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: My slockets (was: Re: [SLUG] HELLLLLP Kernal panics - long post) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:09:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> <01123114341100.01252@24285hfc17> <01123115505103.12361@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: <01123115505103.12361@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010117094101.01245@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug As it turned out, I was just too chicken to put any real force behind it. Apparently, the better slockets appear to go too far so to cover the holes to keep dust out. Makes sense, especially after I opened the ZIF socket to see what was up. The cam attached to the lever will dig into the plastic if pushed too far when it can't go any further - like when there's a processor in it! Needless to say, I feel like a complete moron and desire to be given 1000 lashes with the wet noodle. So, after all was said and done, it turns out the motherboard can't do 800mhz chips. It'll boot only one at 600mhz. Now I need a new dual board. When will this ever end? Glen On Monday 31 December 2001 15:50, you wrote: > On Monday 31 December 2001 14:34, you wrote: > > On a totally unrelated note: > > The slockets came. They're both defective !!! If you lock the ZIF > > sockets down, the pinholes completely close over the contacts and > > slide over the edges of the undercarriage - enough that if I were > > to close them with a processor in them, they would *shear off the > > pins*. Still looking for a source for good FCPGA slockets -- > > *sigh*. Brand name slockets are almost impossible to find now. A > > real shame 'cuz these are very solid, cleanly made parts. > > > > Glen > > It may well be that the contacts are spring-loaded. Try inserting a > piece of bell wire in the hole (22 / 24 gauge, I would think) and > closing it to see if it actually does shear the wire. > > Bill From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 17:46:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA16420 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:46:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA16417 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:46:02 -0500 Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp1.ij.net [207.100.203.149]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA00586 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:46:02 -0500 Received: (qmail 33522 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2002 22:47:56 -0000 Received: from adsl-87-201.adsl.ij.net (HELO ij.net) (209.216.87.201) by smtp1-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2002 22:47:56 -0000 Message-ID: <3C323AAF.2040400@ij.net> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 17:39:43 -0500 From: Scott Piper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011202 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Activating X-Windows from Debian 2.2._r4 Binary CD? References: <050701c19264$77b7be80$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I looked at the site you mentioned for adding KDE to potato, and they said that the kde2 was for people who didn't want kde 2.1 but instead wanted the older version. Is that really what you wanted to install? Anyway, I also checked the packages.gz file in the kde2 directory from your apt source site, and it looked like you should use task-kde to install the system, as Russell suggested. You can also use apt-cache to see the kde stuff that the site has, as in apt-cache search kde | less scott Russell Hires wrote: >I don't think potato has a default for kde, since at the time of potato the >libs weren't completely "free". You could try apt-get install task-kde or >something along this line. Another option is to check at the debian website >under the "Debian Packages" link, or you could upgrade to woody, since it's >getting real close to a freeze now (TM) and it does include kde stuff, along >with XFree86 4.1.x. > >Hope this helps! > >Russell Hires >On Monday 31 December 2001 07:41 pm, you wrote: > >>Ok, got the Debian Official Binary-i386 Version 2.2._r4 Disk 1 CD >>today and proceeded to load it up on my OmniBook. >> >>Everything seemed to go well and my pcmcia nic fired up and connected >>with my ADSL box. >> >>I also got the Binary-i386 3? Pre-BETA Disk one, in case I needed a >>newer driver or something. I have Progeny and Stormix, as well as a >>couple of CD's that came with Linux mags. >> >>QUESTION: How do I get KDE working, please? I tried "apt-get >>install kde" with "deb http://kde.tdyc.com/ stable kde2" in sources.list >>It grabbed some part of KDE and started to install it but then spit up >>due to the absence of the following: >> >>/usr/lib/libkhelpcenter.so.1 >>/usr/lib/libkrunapplet.so.1 >>/usr/lib/libnaughtyapplet.so.1 >>/usr/lib/libnsplugin.so.1 >> >>I don't have any sort of X-windows running yet. I am guessing I said >>no or yes or default to something in the setup that resulted in no X? >> >>Help? >> >>Thanks! Doc >> > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 18:02:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA16467 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:02:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA16464 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:02:26 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00633 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:02:25 -0500 Received: from there (242855hfc23.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.55.23]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g01N1tW10601 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:01:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201012301.g01N1tW10601@smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sound problems Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:05:29 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200112312044.fBVKik320680@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200112312044.fBVKik320680@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Okay problem solved. It was devfs. I disabled it and all of a sudden it all worked. Seems the package is not entirely ready for the big time. Maybe by the next release more apps will be able to use it. Russ W On Monday 31 December 2001 15:48, you wrote: > All > I have some odd sounds problems. > > I love to play Unreal Tournament and Railroad tycoon 2 on my linux box. > My sound seems to work if I reinstall the game, but it doesn't stick. I > get an error message: > Warning Unable to open Audio; Couldn't open audio device or ESD connection. > > > So I'm guessing that esd is not running? How do I make sure it start every > time? > > Russ W From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 22:24:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA17121 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:24:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA17118 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:24:42 -0500 Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01120 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:24:42 -0500 From: Doumbeck1@aol.com Received: from Doumbeck1@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 4.22.2164e2b2 (3960) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:24:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <22.2164e2b2.2963d755@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:24:05 EST Subject: Re: [SLUG] dot's function in *nix To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug " . " just means "here" and is the same value returned by pwd. it is like an alias of sorts, and it and pwd and other system information gathering tools are supplied by the package sh-utils. Scot Mc Pherson From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 22:26:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA17134 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:26:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA17131 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:26:22 -0500 Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01134 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:26:22 -0500 From: Doumbeck1@aol.com Received: from Doumbeck1@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 4.a1.205f4bff (3960) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:25:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:25:46 EST Subject: Re: [SLUG] dot's function in *nix To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug shoot...sorry quick correction.. " . " does mean "here" but its a directory link structure and not supplied by sh-utils. Scot From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 22:27:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA17141 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:27:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA17138 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:27:18 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01138 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:27:17 -0500 Received: from newcomputer (653267hfc36.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.36]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g023Ql325702 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:26:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000b01c1933d$8656ad00$24432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: [SLUG] A funny note to start the NewYear on Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:28:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Well even though we have seen the Stormix Distro go it's Mail Server Still Lives on. Again today Diane and Myself received our Mailing list update message from Stormix mail server. This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your stormlinux.com mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such changes. For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of the list (for example, stormletters-partners-request@stormlinux.com) containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email message will be sent to you with instructions. I guess they forgot about a mailserver box setting somewhere? Anyways Happy New Year everyone! I hope this year we see more new faces as we still continue to grow and grow. Take Care Everyone From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 22:31:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA17156 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:31:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA17153 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:31:59 -0500 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01143 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:31:58 -0500 From: Doumbeck1@aol.com Received: from Doumbeck1@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 4.108.b12c1b8 (3960) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:31:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <108.b12c1b8.2963d90e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:31:26 EST Subject: Re: [SLUG] Modem help To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug you can get the necessary IP addresses from your windows desktop... win9x Start>Run...> winipcfg win2k Start>Run...> ipconfig From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 23:26:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA17313 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:26:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA17310 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:26:03 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01245 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:26:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g024Pds28894 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:25:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:25:34 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Modem help In-Reply-To: <108.b12c1b8.2963d90e@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 Doumbeck1@aol.com wrote: > win9x > Start>Run...> winipcfg > win2k > Start>Run...> ipconfig or on both in a shell (command prompt) box: route print and read the routing table see contra, in most every unix: netstat -rn From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 1 22:47:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA17194 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:47:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA17191 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:47:33 -0500 Received: from bish.net (unknown.Level3.net [64.156.114.22] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01167 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:47:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bish.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA30518 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:37:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:37:29 -0500 (EST) From: Mark To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] corruption in /var/run/utmp Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is on a debian system first of all. I have recently started having problems with 'top'. I would run 'top' and it would error out. I have 'strace'd it and here's what is stuffed at the end: read(5, "\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 56) = read(5, "\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., read(5, "\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 56) = read(5, "\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., read(5, "\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 56) = read(5, ")w\0\0\200\1772; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:31:48 -0500 Received: from femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01828 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:31:48 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020102073117.DKKS20568.femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:31:17 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: My slockets (was: Re: [SLUG] HELLLLLP Kernal panics - long post) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:30:20 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> <01123115505103.12361@a.genesis.com> <02010117094101.01245@24285hfc17> In-Reply-To: <02010117094101.01245@24285hfc17> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010202302009.06007@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 01 January 2002 17:09, you wrote: > So, after all was said and done, it turns out the motherboard can't > do 800mhz chips. It'll boot only one at 600mhz. Now I need a new > dual board. When will this ever end? > > Glen It doesn't. On the other hand, at least you aren't installing XP so any hardware changes you make will actually improve the speed you get ... rather than simply treading water while you wait for the guys from 2600 to arrive. :-) Dad. -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1431252 114100 0 275584 839756 Swap: 401584 1292 400292 Total: 1946936 1432544 514392 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 2:27am up 13 days, 30 min, 2 users, load average: 0.11, 0.07, 0.01 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 04:32:16 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA18181 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:32:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA18178 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:32:16 -0500 Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02155 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:32:15 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020102093144.MVLW27139.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:31:44 -0800 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; charset="iso-8859-1"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_B31BUTBB5GGMLOUZVVUS" From: Bill To: SUNCOAST LUG Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:30:47 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201020426560B.06007@a.genesis.com> Subject: [SLUG] GIMP help, please. 6k Graphic attached. Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --------------Boundary-00=_B31BUTBB5GGMLOUZVVUS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I posted this to another maillist and all I got out of it was a fire storm about compression methods. I don't care a fig for compression methods at the moment ... I just want to make the white corners of a green button transparent (using GIMP) for a class. My alternative is to fire up Photoshop or an old version of Corel Draw! and I am avoiding those like the plague. I am looking for recommendations for help using GIMP. Instructions for Photoshop basically litter the internet, but my chosen means of self-flaggelation is GIMP. I'd like to have a book on my desk that I can just grab, but my immediate challenge is to make 1) a white area on some pre-existing buttons transparent. (sample button attached) That's it. Anybody on this list know how to use GIMP for this simple chore? 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09:08:23 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Justin Keyes To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HELLLLLP Kernal panics - long post Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:13:00 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C2DC6C1.AF44298E@yahoo.com> <3C30D116.A9C5DF21@yahoo.com> <3C32160F.3E5E4533@illusionary.com> In-Reply-To: <3C32160F.3E5E4533@illusionary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010204130000.06511@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 01 January 2002 15:03, you wrote: > Mike Manchester wrote: > > Thanks Glen; > > I'll him run the memory checker from freshmeat. The symptoms you hard > > are what he is seeing. We found the if you let the box set long enough, > > it will boot back up, without reinstalling Linux. So it looks like the > > memory may be where the problem is at. > > Hmmm, if there's a fan on the CPU heatsink, check that it's running. > > Otherwise, that sort of symptom really sounds like heat-related either > memory or motherboard or CPU. memtest86 will crank everything up pretty > hot, so see if the box can be stable running it for a few hours or so. Can it run windows without the symptoms? Even windows can't overlook a hot cpu. Justin Keyes m9u35@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 06:38:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA18741 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:38:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA18738 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:37:59 -0500 Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02678 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:37:58 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434A71C4934 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 03:37:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 12C492757; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 03:37:28 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 03:37:28 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Modem help X-Originating-Ip: [192.76.82.65] Message-Id: <20020102113728.12C492757@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm not sure what that M$ crap is, I thought this was a Linux news group At any rate I am getting connected but my login fails and the connection drops. I've tried kpppd,pppd,ppp-on, and minicom, all with the same results? Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA --- R P Herrold wrote: >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 Doumbeck1@aol.com wrote: > >> win9x >> Start>Run...> winipcfg >> win2k >> Start>Run...> ipconfig > >or on both in a shell (command prompt) box: > > route print > >and read the routing table > >see contra, in most every unix: netstat -rn _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 07:37:42 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA18897 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:37:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA18894 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:37:41 -0500 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02827 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:37:41 -0500 Received: from user-33qts9u.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.241.62] helo=micro.hef) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Lkdh-0001Cz-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 07:37:01 -0500 Received: (qmail 2967 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 12:49:44 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO mindspring.com) (ronan@133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 12:49:44 -0000 Message-ID: <3C339A2E.8020908@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 18:39:26 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.5+) Gecko/20011022 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] GIMP help, please. 6k Graphic attached. References: <0201020426560B.06007@a.genesis.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010103000603010104090008" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010103000603010104090008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I'd like to have a book on my desk that I can just grab, but my >immediate challenge is to make >1) a white area on some pre-existing buttons transparent. >(sample button attached) >That's it. Anybody on this list know how to use GIMP for this simple >chore? I created a new layer (in Layers and Channels) that was transparent (this may have been unnecessary?). Use the "Magic Wand" selector to grab a white corner (it should automatically grab all contiguous white pixels), and hit Edit->Cut. That did it. 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HAA02755 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:03:09 -0500 Received: from Maria.local ([67.162.169.156]) by femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020102120239.GVLC4569.femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Maria.local> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:02:39 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] GIMP help, please. 6k Graphic attached. From: Logan To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <0201020426560B.06007@a.genesis.com> References: <0201020426560B.06007@a.genesis.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 02 Jan 2002 07:05:54 -0500 Message-Id: <1009973155.29415.0.camel@Maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Under "Dialogs" choose "Layers, Channels and Paths." Insert a new layer on top of your button and experiment. Remember you can always ^z an error to undo it. After you are finished with your changes, right click on the image, select "Layers" then "Flatten Image" then save the image. Conversely, if you don't like the changes you made, you can delete the layer and begin anew. To make sure you use the same color white on the image, you can use the eye dropper to suck the color off the picture. I hope this is a good start. I use the GIMP a great deal and the best piece of advice I can give is to actually purchase a GIMP manual. I bought a handy GIMP manual at Barnes and Noble for $20. Its not an O'Reilly book, but it is full of pictures and examples. Unfortunately, its in the office and I do not remember the author's name. I will post it later on today. Logan On Wed, 2002-01-02 at 04:30, Bill wrote: > I posted this to another maillist and all I got out of it was a fire > storm about compression methods. I don't care a fig for compression > methods at the moment ... I just want to make the white corners of a > green button transparent (using GIMP) for a class. My alternative is > to fire up Photoshop or an old version of Corel Draw! and I am > avoiding those like the plague. > > I am looking for recommendations for help using GIMP. Instructions > for Photoshop basically litter the internet, but my chosen means of > self-flaggelation is GIMP. > > I'd like to have a book on my desk that I can just grab, but my > immediate challenge is to make > > 1) a white area on some pre-existing buttons transparent. > (sample button attached) > > That's it. Anybody on this list know how to use GIMP for this simple > chore? > > TIA > > Bill > -- > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 1545352 1431180 114172 0 275596 839680 > Swap: 401584 1292 400292 > Total: 1946936 1432472 514464 > Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz > 2:32am up 13 days, 35 min, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.00 -- 6:50am up 1 day, 8:45, 0 users, load average: 0.07, 0.59, 0.84 Better dead than mellow. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 07:04:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA18814 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:04:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA18811 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:04:23 -0500 Received: from femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.128]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02758 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:04:23 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020102120352.WIMP2764.femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:03:52 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Modem help Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:02:54 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20020102113728.12C492757@sitemail.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20020102113728.12C492757@sitemail.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201020702540E.06007@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wednesday 02 January 2002 06:37, you wrote: > I'm not sure what that M$ crap is, I thought this was a Linux news > group >http://www.cio.com/archive/010102/shop_content.html The antidote. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1427028 118324 0 276392 841372 Swap: 401584 1292 400292 Total: 1946936 1428320 518616 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 7:01am up 13 days, 5:04, 2 users, load average: 0.04, 0.04, 0.06 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 07:07:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA18825 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:07:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA18822 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:07:08 -0500 Received: from femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02765 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:07:08 -0500 Received: from Maria.local ([67.162.169.156]) by femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020102120624.HDHN25038.femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Maria.local> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:06:24 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Modem help From: Logan To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <20020102113728.12C492757@sitemail.everyone.net> References: <20020102113728.12C492757@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 02 Jan 2002 07:09:39 -0500 Message-Id: <1009973380.29415.2.camel@Maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug What are the errors you get when you try logging in? What does tail -f /var/log/messages say as you are negotiating the connection? On Wed, 2002-01-02 at 06:37, Carson Wilcox wrote: > I'm not sure what that M$ crap is, I thought this was a Linux news group > At any rate I am getting connected but my login fails and the connection drops. I've tried kpppd,pppd,ppp-on, and minicom, all with the same results? > > > Carson R. Wilcox > Senior Consultant > DMR Consulting > Tampa, FL USA > > > --- R P Herrold wrote: > >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 Doumbeck1@aol.com wrote: > > > >> win9x > >> Start>Run...> winipcfg > >> win2k > >> Start>Run...> ipconfig > > > >or on both in a shell (command prompt) box: > > > > route print > > > >and read the routing table > > > >see contra, in most every unix: netstat -rn > > _____________________________________________________________ > Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net > -- 7:05am up 1 day, 9:00, 0 users, load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.32 "The C Programming Language -- A language which combines the flexibility of assembly language with the power of assembly language." From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 08:52:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA19099 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:52:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA19096 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:52:49 -0500 Received: from web11407.mail.yahoo.com (web11407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.237]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA03004 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:52:49 -0500 Message-ID: <20020102135218.2823.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.42.208.151] by web11407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 05:52:18 PST Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:52:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: Re: [SLUG] Free to a Good Home To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <003d01c18f9f$88f64ee0$88be173f@diana> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Dale, SOrry i missed you on new years even.. things got a bit crazy around my place.. I am still interested if you have them and let me know what your tests uncovered... THanks ! Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 08:16:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA19010 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:16:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA19007 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:16:34 -0500 Received: from femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.19]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02936 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:16:34 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020102131603.HTSR4569.femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:16:03 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] GIMP help, please. 6k Graphic attached. Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:15:06 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0201020426560B.06007@a.genesis.com> <3C339A2E.8020908@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <3C339A2E.8020908@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201020815060F.06007@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wednesday 02 January 2002 18:39, you wrote: > I created a new layer (in Layers and Channels) that was transparent > (this may have been unnecessary?). Use the "Magic Wand" selector > to grab a white corner (it should automatically grab all contiguous > white pixels), and hit Edit->Cut. That did it. I don't know if the > attached file will survive the SLUG list server, but hey, yours > did! --ronan It made it ... thanks! Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1410964 134388 0 276620 839404 Swap: 401584 1292 400292 Total: 1946936 1412256 534680 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 8:14am up 13 days, 6:17, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.03, 0.08 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 09:45:27 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA19237 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:45:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA19234 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:45:27 -0500 Received: from femail33.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail33.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.23]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03142 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:45:26 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail33.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020102144456.HQZJ12857.femail33.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:44:56 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] GIMP help, please. 6k Graphic attached. Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:43:58 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0201020426560B.06007@a.genesis.com> <1009973155.29415.0.camel@Maria> In-Reply-To: <1009973155.29415.0.camel@Maria> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010209435800.18607@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wednesday 02 January 2002 07:05, you wrote: > I use the GIMP a great deal and the best piece of advice I can give > is to actually purchase a GIMP manual. I bought a handy GIMP > manual at Barnes and Noble for $20. Its not an O'Reilly book, but > it is full of pictures and examples. Unfortunately, its in the > office and I do not remember the author's name. I will post it > later on today. > > Logan Thanks Logan! Thanks Ronan! This was a majorly important thing for me. I'm looking forward to the book suggestion. O'Reilly is a good publisher, but not the only one by any means. I am publisher agnostic ... although I will usually pick up the equivalent O'Reilly book for comparison. About 1/3 the time, I buy O'Reilly. But WROX, Sams, Petersen Tech. Reference, Prima Tech, Peachpit Press, IDG and others all have winners on their lists. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1412768 132584 0 278108 841012 Swap: 401584 1292 400292 Total: 1946936 1414060 532876 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 9:26am up 13 days, 7:29, 2 users, load average: 0.32, 0.22, 0.09 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 10:32:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA19382 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:32:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA19379 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:32:31 -0500 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03277 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:32:31 -0500 Received: from user-33qtt08.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.244.8] helo=micro.hef) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16LnN2-00012W-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 10:32:00 -0500 Received: (qmail 3060 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 15:44:44 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO mindspring.com) (ronan@133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 15:44:44 -0000 Message-ID: <3C33C331.7090803@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:34:25 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.5+) Gecko/20011022 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] SuSE 7.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does anyone have a copy of SuSE 7.3 (pro or personal) that I can borrow for a few days to do a couple of installs? I can make any meeting (or make housecalls) to get/return disks. After purchasing 5.2, 6.3, 6.4, and 7.1 (pro), I have paid SuSE ~$220 in the last 5 years. My parents are still using Windows95, is Linux really cheaper??? I am KIDDING, don't flame me! I have installed (legally!) 10+ machines with SuSE, so I am under $22 per machine. I do wish they would offer a subscription that lowered the cost of staying current, and didn't force-feed you 1,000 pages of dead-tree-ware. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 11:37:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA19551 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:37:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA19548 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:37:22 -0500 Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp1.ij.net [207.100.203.149]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03443 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:37:21 -0500 Received: (qmail 95080 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 16:39:12 -0000 Received: from adsl-87-201.adsl.ij.net (HELO ij.net) (209.216.87.201) by smtp1-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 16:39:12 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3335C6.5050004@ij.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:31:02 -0500 From: Scott Piper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011202 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Modem help References: <20020102113728.12C492757@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug well, have you tried something like pppconfig or wvdial? They set up the options for you. You could also do it manually, with the /etc/ppp/peers/[yourconnection_name] containing something like [replace the brackets and info inside with what is appropriate for you] hide-password noauth connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/[choose a name for your isp connection - see below]" debug [just until your connection works properly] /dev/ttyS[your modem serial port] 115200 defaultroute noipdefault user [your isp account name] usepeerdns [ if you don't want to enter the dns ip manually ] The /etc/chatscripts directory contains the file referenced above with the name of your choosing, and it shoud be something like ABORT BUSY ABORT 'NO CARRIER' ABORT VOICE ABORT 'NO DIALTONE' ABORT 'NO DIAL TONE' ABORT 'NO ANSWER' # modeminit '' ATZ # ispnumber OK-AT-OK ATDT[your isp phone number] # ispconnect CONNECT \d\c Your /etc/ppp/pap-secrets file needs a line down at the bottom with [your isp user account name] * [your account password] then you can make a connection with pppd call [your connection name] You do know that your account is just user and not user@ij.net? scott Carson Wilcox wrote: >I'm not sure what that M$ crap is, I thought this was a Linux news group >At any rate I am getting connected but my login fails and the connection drops. I've tried kpppd,pppd,ppp-on, and minicom, all with the same results? > > >Carson R. Wilcox >Senior Consultant >DMR Consulting >Tampa, FL USA > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 11:53:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA19595 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:53:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA19592 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:53:33 -0500 Received: from mail15b.boca15-verio.com (mail15b.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03480 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:53:32 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 079931755 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:51:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C333A0B.1040404@roblimo.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:49:15 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 7.3 References: <3C33C331.7090803@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ronan Heffernan wrote: > Does anyone have a copy of SuSE 7.3 (pro or personal) that I can borrow > for a few days to do a couple of installs? I can make any meeting (or > make housecalls) to get/return disks. ---------- I have SuSE 7.3 pro, Mandrake 8.1 and Red Hat 7.2 pro. Want me to bring them all to the Brandon meeting tomorrow night? Or would you rather stop by my place in Bradenton and pick up whichever one you want to borrow? - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 12:20:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA19665 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:20:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA19662 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:20:30 -0500 Received: from web10407.mail.yahoo.com (web10407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.99]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03534 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:20:29 -0500 Message-ID: <20020102171959.83420.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.32.44.189] by web10407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:19:59 PST Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:19:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tina Gasperson Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 7.3 To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C33C331.7090803@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The only thing you can't get for free is the .iso - it is possible (if not practical) to do a network install for free. Having said that, I have the SuSE 7.3 personal CD set and would be happy to share it; how close are you to Brandon? (and when is that Brandon meeting again?) Tina G. --- Ronan Heffernan wrote: > Does anyone have a copy of SuSE 7.3 (pro or > personal) that I can borrow > for a few days to do a couple of installs? I can > make any meeting (or > make housecalls) to get/return disks. > > After purchasing 5.2, 6.3, 6.4, and 7.1 (pro), I > have paid SuSE ~$220 in > the last 5 years. My parents are still using > Windows95, is Linux really > cheaper??? I am KIDDING, don't flame me! I have > installed (legally!) > 10+ machines with SuSE, so I am under $22 per > machine. I do wish they > would offer a subscription that lowered the cost of > staying current, and > didn't force-feed you 1,000 pages of dead-tree-ware. > > --ronan > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 12:38:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA19714 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:38:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA19711 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:38:23 -0500 Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03578 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:38:23 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F6F1C5C36 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:37:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id C4C0B2756; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:37:52 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:37:52 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Modem help X-Originating-Ip: [192.76.86.65] Message-Id: <20020102173752.C4C0B2756@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yup, tried all that. I did come across a couple things this morning that I'll try tonight Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA --- Scott Piper wrote: >well, have you tried something like pppconfig or wvdial? They set up >the options for you. You could also do it manually, with the >/etc/ppp/peers/[yourconnection_name] containing something like [replace >the brackets and info inside with what is appropriate for you] > >hide-password >noauth >connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/[choose a name for your >isp connection - see below]" >debug [just until your connection works properly] >/dev/ttyS[your modem serial port] >115200 >defaultroute >noipdefault >user [your isp account name] >usepeerdns [ if you don't want to enter the dns ip manually ] > > >The /etc/chatscripts directory contains the file referenced above with >the name of your choosing, and it shoud be something like > >ABORT BUSY ABORT 'NO CARRIER' ABORT VOICE ABORT 'NO DIALTONE' ABORT 'NO >DIAL TONE' ABORT 'NO ANSWER' ># modeminit >'' ATZ ># ispnumber >OK-AT-OK ATDT[your isp phone number] ># ispconnect >CONNECT \d\c > > >Your /etc/ppp/pap-secrets file needs a line down at the bottom with > >[your isp user account name] * [your account password] > > >then you can make a connection with > >pppd call [your connection name] > > >You do know that your account is just user and not user@ij.net? > > > scott > > >Carson Wilcox wrote: > >>I'm not sure what that M$ crap is, I thought this was a Linux news group >>At any rate I am getting connected but my login fails and the connection drops. I've tried kpppd,pppd,ppp-on, and minicom, all with the same results? >> >> >>Carson R. Wilcox >>Senior Consultant >>DMR Consulting >>Tampa, FL USA >> _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 13:41:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA19885 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:41:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA19882 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:41:28 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03815 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:41:28 -0500 Received: from newcomputer (653267hfc36.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.36]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g02Iev201498 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:40:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008101c193bd$3c48f1c0$24432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting reminder Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:42:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Tomorrow's Meeting. The first Meeting of the New Year will be in Brandon Barnes and Nobles Book Store. We will be Starting Around 20:00 hrs aka 8:PM for the non Military type 8-). Hope to see you all there and Remember you can bring your questions , Boxes , and your family and friends. If you are going to do a installation get there early to start please! If you are planning to do a install bring your disk machine cables keyboard mouse and Monitor! Bring the disk that you need! We hope to see you all there. On behalf of S.L.U.G. Thanks. Bill Preece Diana Lenko Norbert Cartegena From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 13:43:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA19893 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:43:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA19890 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:43:06 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03834 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:43:06 -0500 Received: from newcomputer (653267hfc36.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.36]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g02IgZ202822 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:42:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008401c193bd$76caf8c0$24432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 7.3 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:44:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug We will be meeting tomorrow at 8:00pm Branes and Nobles. 8-) -----Original Message----- From: Tina Gasperson To: slug@nks.net Date: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 7.3 >The only thing you can't get for free is the .iso - it >is possible (if not practical) to do a network install >for free. > >Having said that, I have the SuSE 7.3 personal CD set >and would be happy to share it; how close are you to >Brandon? (and when is that Brandon meeting again?) > >Tina G. >--- Ronan Heffernan >wrote: >> Does anyone have a copy of SuSE 7.3 (pro or >> personal) that I can borrow >> for a few days to do a couple of installs? I can >> make any meeting (or >> make housecalls) to get/return disks. >> >> After purchasing 5.2, 6.3, 6.4, and 7.1 (pro), I >> have paid SuSE ~$220 in >> the last 5 years. My parents are still using >> Windows95, is Linux really >> cheaper??? I am KIDDING, don't flame me! I have >> installed (legally!) >> 10+ machines with SuSE, so I am under $22 per >> machine. I do wish they >> would offer a subscription that lowered the cost of >> staying current, and >> didn't force-feed you 1,000 pages of dead-tree-ware. >> >> --ronan >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send your FREE holiday greetings online! >http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 16:42:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA20384 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:42:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA20381 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:42:50 -0500 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04423 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:42:49 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 21:42:18 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3380BB.CEE5ED9C@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 16:50:51 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] router help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ok here's the deal. I've been running an old 486 with the Freesco router for almost a year now. Well welcome to the new year. The company I work for now requires that I use IPSec to connect to their internal site. >From what I can find Freesco doesn't yet support IPSec. So my question is should/can I find a distro that will run on a 486 with 12 megs of memory that supports IPSec or should I just bite the bullet and get a commercial router like Linksys? If the later what is a good one that works well with a Linux network and is inexpensive, as only the one work machine is needing the IPSec behind the router. Any help with this would be appreciated. I did see something about patching Freesco to work with IPSec on Google but I couldn't find any info on how to or what to patch for Freesco to support IPSec. Mike M. -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:17:31 -0500 Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04546 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:17:30 -0500 Received: from user-33qtt08.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.244.8] helo=micro.hef) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Ltgw-0003nH-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:16:58 -0500 Received: (qmail 3558 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 22:29:45 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO mindspring.com) (ronan@133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 22:29:45 -0000 Message-ID: <3C342326.60304@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 04:23:50 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.5+) Gecko/20011022 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 7.3 References: <3C33C331.7090803@mindspring.com> <3C333A0B.1040404@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug >I have SuSE 7.3 pro, Mandrake 8.1 and Red Hat 7.2 pro. Want me to bring them all to the >Brandon meeting tomorrow night? Or would you rather stop by my place in Bradenton and pick >up whichever one you want to borrow? - Robin Robin- I will be at the Brandon meeting tomorrow; if you can make it, I would like to borrow your SuSE 7.3 disks (CDROM only, I don't have a DVD drive). It would be great if you could bring those to the meeting, and I can either give them back at the next meeting, or I can drop them off to you in Brandon some evening. Thanks for the offer, and I hope to see you there. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 17:27:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA20520 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:27:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA20517 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:27:57 -0500 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04607 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:27:57 -0500 Received: from user-33qtt08.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.244.8] helo=micro.hef) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Ltr3-0005J8-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:27:26 -0500 Received: (qmail 3568 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 22:40:12 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO mindspring.com) (ronan@133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 22:40:12 -0000 Message-ID: <3C34259A.1080409@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 04:34:18 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.5+) Gecko/20011022 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 7.3 References: <008401c193bd$76caf8c0$24432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Bill- Four people have offered to loan me their discs, but you never know who can make it. So, it would be nice if you could bring your SuSE 7.3 CDROMs (I don't have a DVD drive), just in case. My wife saw the SuSE 7.2 LiveEval at Christmas, and fell in love with the Freecell (Patience), which is much improved (visually and playably) over the Patience from SuSE 7.1; now she is agitating for an upgrade! Thanks, and I should see you tomorrow at the meeting. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 17:22:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA20503 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:22:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA20500 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:22:18 -0500 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04579 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:22:18 -0500 Received: from user-33qtt08.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.244.8] helo=micro.hef) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Ltla-00077i-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:21:46 -0500 Received: (qmail 3562 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 22:34:32 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO mindspring.com) (ronan@133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 22:34:32 -0000 Message-ID: <3C342445.7010107@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 04:28:37 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.5+) Gecko/20011022 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 7.3 References: <20020102171959.83420.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Tina Gasperson wrote: The only thing you can't get for free is the .iso - it is possible (if not practical) to do a network install for free. Having said that, I have the SuSE 7.3 personal CD set and would be happy to share it; how close are you to Brandon? (and when is that Brandon meeting again?) Tina G. Tina- Four people have offered to loan me their discs (including 2 people with the pro set), but if you are going to the meeting anyway, and it wouldn't be any trouble, could you bring your CDROMs just in case? The Brandon meeting is Thurday night (20:00-22:00) at the Barnes&Noble at Brandon Town Center. That info is from the announce email; I have never been to a Brandon meeting. Thanks for the loan offer, and I hope to see you at the meeting. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 18:15:04 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA20687 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:15:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA20684 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:15:03 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04866 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:15:03 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc03.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.3]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g02NEXO26857 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:14:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C33946A.7020203@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 18:14:50 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Free to a Good Home References: <20020102135218.2823.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Sorry all the mags are taken. Tests? Ed. Mark Banschbach wrote: > Dale, > > SOrry i missed you on new years even.. things got a > bit crazy around my place.. I am still interested if > you have them and let me know what your tests > uncovered... > > THanks ! > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 2 18:50:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA20789 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:50:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA20786 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:50:35 -0500 Received: from web12506.mail.yahoo.com (web12506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.198]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA05001 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:50:35 -0500 Message-ID: <20020102235003.56276.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.35.252.12] by web12506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:50:03 PST Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:50:03 -0800 (PST) From: ter swartz Subject: Re: [SLUG] router help To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C3380BB.CEE5ED9C@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug http://www.coyotelinux.com/ I currently use a "Acctron" router, but used to use this distro on a 486/33 with 16 megs of ram. Worked very well. Look through the "FAQ" to see if it will fit your bill. http://www.coyotelinux.com/ Pete __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 3 08:25:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA02798 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:25:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA02795 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:25:07 -0500 Received: from femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02940 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:24:57 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020103132434.CWVJ617.femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:24:34 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] router help Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:23:34 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C3380BB.CEE5ED9C@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C3380BB.CEE5ED9C@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201030823340A.18607@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wednesday 02 January 2002 16:50, you wrote: > should I just bite the bullet and get a commercial router like > Linksys? If the later what is a good one that works well with a > Linux network and is inexpensive, as only the one work machine is I have a Linksys BEFSR81 and it runs just fine. They also make a 4-holer (prolly BEFSR41) that you should be able to find <$100. Easy setup for forwarding, MAC cloning, etc. Consider bumping the ram on your box, though ... it's probably the cheapest way to nirvana on this one. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1284760 260592 0 274080 684508 Swap: 401584 1292 400292 Total: 1946936 1286052 660884 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 8:19am up 14 days, 6:22, 2 users, load average: 0.19, 0.07, 0.01 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 3 09:42:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA03083 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:42:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA03080 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:42:41 -0500 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03317 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:42:39 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-068.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.68] helo=localhost) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16M94K-0006ze-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 06:42:08 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16M94J-0000LC-00 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 09:42:07 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Screen Capture Utility? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:42:06 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey Guys and Gals! I have a problem where my X windows screen does funny things if I switch to a different console and then switch back. I have a terrible time describing what my screen looks like when I try to tell people about it, so I thought I'd send 'em a picture (you know, 1000 words and all that ;-). But I don't know how to get a shot of my screen...Can anyone help? Thanks! Russell From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 3 09:56:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA03116 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:56:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA03113 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:56:42 -0500 Received: from femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.144]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03363 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:56:41 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020103145610.LVRI11330.femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:56:10 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Screen Capture Utility? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:55:09 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201030955090I.18607@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 03 January 2002 09:42, you wrote: (Clipped ruthlessly) But I don't know how to get a > shot of my screen...Can anyone help? Look for Ksnapshot at fine software outlets in your neighborhood. :-) http://freshmeat.net/projects/ksnapshot/ Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1291700 253652 0 274132 686236 Swap: 401584 1292 400292 Total: 1946936 1292992 653944 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 9:51am up 14 days, 7:54, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 3 10:13:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA03179 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:13:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA03176 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:13:22 -0500 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03454 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:13:20 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-068.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.68] helo=localhost) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16M9Y1-0000AF-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 07:12:49 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16M9Y0-0000Ll-00 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:12:48 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Legitimate Linux! Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:12:48 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hello again... This is from the "Hey, it's finally getting good press!" file. I was looking through "Stores", which is a trade magazine for retail. There's an article about how server proliferation is causing electricity costs to increase. The overall gist of the article is consolidating from server farms to mainframes. Now the good part: Without any preamble or other explanation, came this quote: ' "By using Linux on the mainframe, we were able to consolidate 44 NT servers onto one mainframe," says an executive from a major retailer's IT department. "Consolidating has allowed us to save floor space, energy, and everything else." ' The article also mentions that Gap (clothing retailer) "reportedly expects to save $100,000 a year by replacing a mainframe that was only a year old." There's another mention later in the article that a retailer in the NorthEast called Boscov's is migrating to Linux. The article states without any hesitation: "Because Linux works efficiently with the Internet, Boscov's new mainframe can work as an Internet super-server." Now how about that! Hooray for Linux. It saves power, too! Russell Hires From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 3 10:22:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA03189 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:22:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA03186 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:22:28 -0500 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03492 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:22:27 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 15:21:55 -0000 Message-ID: <3C34791D.F0F44B1A@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:30:37 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] router help References: <3C3380BB.CEE5ED9C@yahoo.com> <0201030823340A.18607@a.genesis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Bill; Do you know if the BEFSR41 has an uplink port so I can connect it to my present hubs? I don't need windows to configure it do I? Thanks Mike M. Bill wrote: > > On Wednesday 02 January 2002 16:50, you wrote: > > > should I just bite the bullet and get a commercial router like > > Linksys? If the later what is a good one that works well with a > > Linux network and is inexpensive, as only the one work machine is > > I have a Linksys BEFSR81 and it runs just fine. They also make a > 4-holer (prolly BEFSR41) that you should be able to find <$100. Easy > setup for forwarding, MAC cloning, etc. > > Consider bumping the ram on your box, though ... it's probably the > cheapest way to nirvana on this one. > > Bill > > -- > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 1545352 1284760 260592 0 274080 684508 > Swap: 401584 1292 400292 > Total: 1946936 1286052 660884 > Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz > 8:19am up 14 days, 6:22, 2 users, load average: 0.19, 0.07, 0.01 -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:28:23 -0500 Received: from viking.fortresstech.com (router.fortresstech.com [207.87.233.66] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03506 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:28:21 -0500 From: bfoxworth@fortresstech.com Received: by vikinga.fortresstech.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:31:14 -0500 Message-ID: <60C9F43DF275D51196F3000102550D5F017CA6@vikinga.fortresstech.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Screen Capture Utility? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:31:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug [Bob Foxworth] Photograph it with a digital camera. Download it and send them a jpeg/paper print. You may have to take a few shots if the monitor vsync rate is not lined up with the camera exposure, there may be a dark area in the picture. Also if the screen image is changing rapidly the picture may appear blurry because of relatively long exposure time. > I have a terrible time describing > what my screen looks like when I try to tell people about it, so I thought > > I'd send 'em a picture (you know, 1000 words and all that ;-). But I > don't > know how to get a shot of my screen...Can anyone help? > > Thanks! > > Russell From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 3 11:44:04 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA03426 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:44:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA03423 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:44:03 -0500 Received: from femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.25]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03865 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:44:03 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020103164332.OTXM8351.femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:43:32 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] router help Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:42:31 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C3380BB.CEE5ED9C@yahoo.com> <0201030823340A.18607@a.genesis.com> <3C34791D.F0F44B1A@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C34791D.F0F44B1A@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201031142310L.18607@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 03 January 2002 10:30, you wrote: > Bill; > Do you know if the BEFSR41 has an uplink port so I can connect it > to my present hubs? > I don't need windows to configure it do I? > Thanks > Mike M. No Windows ... just a browser. Tech specs on the BEFSR41: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/electronics/B00004SB92/tech-data/ref=e_de_a_td/002-9839011-5248046 I notice that they have a model specifically for VPN, too. http://www.linksys.com/ Bill > > > > -- > > total used free shared buffers > > cached Mem: 1545352 1284760 260592 0 274080 > > 684508 Swap: 401584 1292 400292 > > Total: 1946936 1286052 660884 > > Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 > > 750MHz 8:19am up 14 days, 6:22, 2 users, load average: 0.19, > > 0.07, 0.01 -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1278760 266592 0 274204 681028 Swap: 401584 1292 400292 Total: 1946936 1280052 666884 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 11:34amup 14 days, 9:37, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 3 11:28:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA03399 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:28:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA03396 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:28:29 -0500 Received: from mail15a.boca15-verio.com (mail15a.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03819 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:28:28 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15a.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 092709648 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:26:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C3485AD.8060504@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:24:13 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Screen Capture Utility? References: <60C9F43DF275D51196F3000102550D5F017CA6@vikinga.fortresstech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Easier - "Ksnapshot" is part of recent KDE, does either full-screen or window where you have cursor. I use it like mad. Saves in PNG, but is easy to resave images in other formats with Gimp, StarOffice, etc. - Robin bfoxworth@fortresstech.com wrote: > [Bob Foxworth] Photograph it with a digital camera. Download it > and send them a jpeg/paper print. You may have to take a few > shots if the monitor vsync rate is not lined up with the camera > exposure, there may be a dark area in the picture. Also if the > screen image is changing rapidly the picture may appear blurry > because of relatively long exposure time. > > >> I have a terrible time describing >>what my screen looks like when I try to tell people about it, so I thought >> >>I'd send 'em a picture (you know, 1000 words and all that ;-). But I >>don't >>know how to get a shot of my screen...Can anyone help? >> >>Thanks! >> >>Russell >> > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 3 11:54:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA03450 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:54:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA03447 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:54:20 -0500 Received: from mp3.lenseinc.com (242819hfc177.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.19.177]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03910 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:54:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (kai@localhost) by mp3.lenseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29219 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:53:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mp3.lenseinc.com: kai owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:53:34 -0500 (EST) From: Kai Lien X-Sender: kai@mp3.lenseinc.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Screen Capture Utility? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Since I am more a console guy (either Aterm or Eterm), I will suggest a command-line command. import -window root filename.jpg Kai On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Russell Hires wrote: > Hey Guys and Gals! > > I have a problem where my X windows screen does funny things if I switch to a > different console and then switch back. I have a terrible time describing > what my screen looks like when I try to tell people about it, so I thought > I'd send 'em a picture (you know, 1000 words and all that ;-). But I don't > know how to get a shot of my screen...Can anyone help? > > Thanks! > > Russell > - -- Kai Lien DSA key ID 39BD44C0 Lense Consulting Company www.lenseco.com Fortune Cookie of the Day: If I have seen farther than others, it is because I was standing on the shoulders of giants. -- Isaac Newton In the sciences, we are now uniquely priviledged to sit side by side with the giants on whose shoulders we stand. -- Gerald Holton If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders. -- Hal Abelson Mathematicians stand on each other's shoulders. -- Gauss Mathemeticians stand on each other's shoulders while computer scientists stand on each other's toes. -- Richard Hamming It has been said that physicists stand on one another's shoulders. If this is the case, then programmers stand on one another's toes, and software engineers dig each other's graves. -- Unknown -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8NIyRztiWgzm9RMARAu58AJ9RGThNj7HvlU/FEqs+fNq77JkQaACfVoGr vRoRzxHw6Tpah7Td3m6U81Y= =2RvO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 3 15:28:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03843 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:28:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA03840 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:28:05 -0500 Received: from viking.fortresstech.com (router.fortresstech.com [207.87.233.66] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04656 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:28:05 -0500 From: bfoxworth@fortresstech.com Received: by vikinga.fortresstech.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:30:58 -0500 Message-ID: <60C9F43DF275D51196F3000102550D5F017CAA@vikinga.fortresstech.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Screen Capture Utility? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:30:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug [Bob Foxworth] Super. Thanks for posting. I had no idea this existed. -Bob (still in the stone age, I guess) > Easier - "Ksnapshot" is part of recent KDE, does either full-screen or > window where you have cursor. I use it like mad. Saves in PNG, but is > easy to resave images in other formats with Gimp, StarOffice, etc. > > - Robin > > bfoxworth@fortresstech.com wrote: > > > [Bob Foxworth] Photograph it with a digital camera. > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 3 18:22:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA04159 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:22:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA04156 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:22:18 -0500 Received: from goliath.cnchost.com (goliath.cnchost.com [207.155.252.47]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05338 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:22:17 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by goliath.cnchost.com id SAA24998; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:21:45 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16MHBj-0001nb-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:22:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:21:35 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] (FWD) Tampa Bay Computer Society | You are invited! | Tuesday, Jan 15th Message-ID: <20020103182135.B2601@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ----- Forwarded message from Dave Dockery ----- From: "Dave Dockery" Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:48:45 -0500 To: "Dave Dockery" Subject: Tampa Bay Computer Society | You are invited! | Tuesday, Jan 15th Message-ID: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Hello AGAIN User Group Presidents! Well I have the jump on all of you. I no longer have to wonder how soon I would make my first mistake of the new year - I did it with my previous message! The correct date for this event is Tuesday, January 15th NOT January 26th as in my previous message. Sorry for any confusion. The rest of the message is the same as before. It might also be helpful to let you know that our meetings last until 9 PM. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I haven't spammed you all for awhile, but I have an event that you and your members might be interested in. Dave Gussow, John Torro, and Jules Allen from the St. Pete Time's Tech Times magazine are going to be guests at our monthly meeting this month. We wanted to extend an invitation to you & your members to join us that evening for a technology roundtable. The meeting is free and open to the public The Time's Terrific Trio last honored us with their presence over a year ago, and it was one of the favorite presentations of TBCS members. The Tech Times is part of the Business Times that is included with the St. Pete Time's Monday edition. Dave Gussow is the editor, John Torro writes the "Solutions" column, and Jules Allen authors "Site Seeing". We put 'em under bright lights and grill 'em with computer questions until... well, it makes you wonder why they would bother to come back and put themselves through this again . The meeting starts at 6:45 on Tuesday, January 15th at Clearwater Central Catholic High School (map: www.tampa-bay.net/maps.htm). Please feel free to call (see below) or email me with any questions. I realize it's quite a trip for our friends in Tampa, but I'm hoping you'll consider dropping by for the evening anyway. ------------------ TBCS Update I also want to take this opportunity to introduce our new president at TBCS, Jim Boynton (jboynton@tampabay.rr.com). Jim took over the reins as of January 1st. I have become the Director of Education for our club. We are in the process of negotiating a new location for our Resource Center, and we plan on installing a hands-on computer lab so that we can supplement our SIGs with computer classes. I hope your clubs are all doing well! It's a different environment for computer user groups these days. I hope you are all adapting to the changing needs of your membership. If any of you would be interested in coming to our meeting early and sharing survival strategies with other group leaders, let me know and I will promote it. It would be nice to meet all of you face-to-face and chat about how we serve our memberships. Thanks, Doc (Dave Dockery) 727-785-2511 PS: I will send a reminder a couple of days before the meeting. ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 3 18:51:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA04227 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:51:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA04224 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:51:41 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05436 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:51:40 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g03Np9W22953 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:51:09 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Screen Capture Utility? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:55:10 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010318551000.01414@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug What version kernel / X ? When Xfree86 4 came out, there were 'issues' with the way that X and the kernel framebuffers talked to each other. If you're not running the latest & greatest X, I would consider that my first target to look into. Just my $.02 Glen On Thursday 03 January 2002 09:42, you wrote: > Hey Guys and Gals! > > I have a problem where my X windows screen does funny things if I switch to > a different console and then switch back. I have a terrible time describing > what my screen looks like when I try to tell people about it, so I thought > I'd send 'em a picture (you know, 1000 words and all that ;-). But I don't > know how to get a shot of my screen...Can anyone help? > > Thanks! > > Russell From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 3 19:22:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA04291 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:22:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA04288 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:22:26 -0500 Received: from femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.83]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05548 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:22:25 -0500 Received: from Maria.local ([67.162.169.156]) by femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020104002149.DAAM6581.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Maria.local> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:21:49 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Screen Capture Utility? From: Logan To: SLUG In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 03 Jan 2002 19:25:00 -0500 Message-Id: <1010103901.29460.2.camel@Maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The easiest way, no matter what desktop you use with linux is... The GIMP! Fire up the GIMP, click aquire... it will guide you through the rest. Logan On Thu, 2002-01-03 at 09:42, Russell Hires wrote: > Hey Guys and Gals! > > I have a problem where my X windows screen does funny things if I switch to a > different console and then switch back. I have a terrible time describing > what my screen looks like when I try to tell people about it, so I thought > I'd send 'em a picture (you know, 1000 words and all that ;-). But I don't > know how to get a shot of my screen...Can anyone help? > > Thanks! > > Russell -- 7:20pm up 2 days, 21:15, 0 users, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 Lackland's Laws: (1) Never be first. (2) Never be last. (3) Never volunteer for anything From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 3 19:24:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA04296 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:24:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA04293 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:24:52 -0500 Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05551 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:24:51 -0500 Received: from Maria.local ([67.162.169.156]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020104002420.MLPK27139.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Maria.local> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:24:20 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] router help From: Logan To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <3C34791D.F0F44B1A@yahoo.com> References: <3C3380BB.CEE5ED9C@yahoo.com> <0201030823340A.18607@a.genesis.com> <3C34791D.F0F44B1A@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 03 Jan 2002 19:27:31 -0500 Message-Id: <1010104051.29464.4.camel@Maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have the eight holer and it has an uplink port, so I imagine the four holer does too. All you need to configure it is a web browser. Logan On Thu, 2002-01-03 at 10:30, Mike Manchester wrote: > Bill; > Do you know if the BEFSR41 has an uplink port so I can connect it to my > present hubs? > I don't need windows to configure it do I? > Thanks > Mike M. > > Bill wrote: > > > > On Wednesday 02 January 2002 16:50, you wrote: > > > > > should I just bite the bullet and get a commercial router like > > > Linksys? If the later what is a good one that works well with a > > > Linux network and is inexpensive, as only the one work machine is > > > > I have a Linksys BEFSR81 and it runs just fine. They also make a > > 4-holer (prolly BEFSR41) that you should be able to find <$100. Easy > > setup for forwarding, MAC cloning, etc. > > > > Consider bumping the ram on your box, though ... it's probably the > > cheapest way to nirvana on this one. > > > > Bill > > > > -- > > total used free shared buffers cached > > Mem: 1545352 1284760 260592 0 274080 684508 > > Swap: 401584 1292 400292 > > Total: 1946936 1286052 660884 > > Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz > > 8:19am up 14 days, 6:22, 2 users, load average: 0.19, 0.07, 0.01 > > -- > perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'< c496e657870225f636b6371202d49636f62737f6664702355736b637 > 12a0 > RM > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- 7:25pm up 2 days, 21:20, 0 users, load average: 0.10, 0.51, 0.80 "Life to you is a bold and dashing responsibility" -- a Mary Chung's fortune cookie From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 3 21:19:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA04639 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:19:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA04636 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:19:12 -0500 Received: from femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.106]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05966 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:19:12 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020104021841.GMHB27979.femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:18:41 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Screen Capture Utility? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:17:39 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <1010103901.29460.2.camel@Maria> In-Reply-To: <1010103901.29460.2.camel@Maria> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010321173903.04882@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 03 January 2002 19:25, you wrote: > The easiest way, no matter what desktop you use with linux is... > The GIMP! Fire up the GIMP, click aquire... it will guide you > through the rest. > > Logan Good answer! Move to the head of the class (IF Russ's display will stay intact long enough to tolerate this). Glen's answer in re: versions of X is also worth a thought or two. Russ kept his version of X a secret so we may never know, eh? Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1536524 8828 0 268828 920500 Swap: 401584 1292 400292 Total: 1946936 1537816 409120 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 9:15pm up 14 days, 19:18, 2 users, load average: 0.42, 0.73, 0.81 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 3 21:23:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA04672 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:23:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA04669 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:23:29 -0500 Received: from femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.129]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06006 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:23:29 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020104022258.QWAV3327.femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:22:58 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Screen Capture Utility? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:21:56 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010321215604.04882@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 03 January 2002 09:42, you wrote: But I don't know how to get a > shot of my screen...Can anyone help? Okay Russ ... we gots 1) Ksnapshot 2) real snapshot with real camera 3) GIMP All that is left now might be to tape a piece of paper over the monitor and rub it with the side of a pencil or a piece of artists charcoal. This technique dates back to old CP/R(*) days. It's called screen rubbing and works when all other methods fail. :-) Bill CPR is correct. His display is dying. :-) -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1536456 8896 0 268828 920512 Swap: 401584 1292 400292 Total: 1946936 1537748 409188 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 9:18pm up 14 days, 19:21, 2 users, load average: 0.40, 0.57, 0.73 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 3 22:39:37 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA04817 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:39:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA04814 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:39:36 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06175 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:39:35 -0500 Received: from obwan (6532163hfc129.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.163.129]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g043d4W01945 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:39:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001701c194d1$5e3ff4d0$17010a0a@obwan> From: "Andrew Wyatt" To: References: <1010103901.29460.2.camel@Maria> <02010321173903.04882@a.genesis.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Screen Capture Utility? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:39:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug You could also try using xwd :-) xhost +localhost;sleep 5;xwd -display localhost:0 -root -out filename; (off the top of my head, the syntax may be incorrect.) Then you can xwdtopnm and pnmto whatever you want the image format to be (provided the support is installed.) Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Screen Capture Utility? > On Thursday 03 January 2002 19:25, you wrote: > > The easiest way, no matter what desktop you use with linux is... > > The GIMP! Fire up the GIMP, click aquire... it will guide you > > through the rest. > > > > Logan > > Good answer! Move to the head of the class (IF Russ's display will > stay intact long enough to tolerate this). > > Glen's answer in re: versions of X is also worth a thought or two. > Russ kept his version of X a secret so we may never know, eh? > > Bill > > -- > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 1545352 1536524 8828 0 268828 920500 > Swap: 401584 1292 400292 > Total: 1946936 1537816 409120 > Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz > 9:15pm up 14 days, 19:18, 2 users, load average: 0.42, 0.73, 0.81 > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 3 22:13:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA04758 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:13:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA04755 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:13:51 -0500 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06116 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:13:51 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-068.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.68] helo=localhost) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16MKnI-0005hj-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 19:13:20 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16MKnC-0000aS-00 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:13:14 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Screen Capture Utility? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:13:13 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <02010318551000.01414@24285hfc17> In-Reply-To: <02010318551000.01414@24285hfc17> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 03 January 2002 06:55 pm, you wrote: > What version kernel / X ? When Xfree86 4 came out, there were 'issues' with I'm running the latest XFree86 that comes with Woody. 4.1.x. The kernel doesn't matter too much, it's a patched 2.2.18 (for Voodoo3 on PPC), or 2.4.16/.17 ksnapshot did just the trick. Wanna see what I got? It's at http://home.earthlink.net/~rhires/snapshot1.png Thanks for all the help! Russell Hires From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 4 05:52:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA05578 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:52:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA05575 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:52:57 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA07727 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:52:57 -0500 Received: from there (242857hfc125.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.57.125]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g04AqQW28446 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:52:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201041052.g04AqQW28446@smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Jim To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Short term memory problem Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:48:14 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi, What was the name again (and website) of that distro you were loading at the Brandon meeting last night. thanks Jim From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 4 08:27:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA06163 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:27:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA06160 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:27:12 -0500 Received: from mail15a.boca15-verio.com (mail15a.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA08516 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:27:11 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15a.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 092944319 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:25:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C35ACB1.10707@roblimo.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 08:22:57 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Short term memory problem References: <200201041052.g04AqQW28446@smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > What was the name again (and website) of that distro you were loading at the > Brandon meeting last night. > thanks Jim It was/is ELX Linux, http://www.elxlinux.com/ I'm going to play with it a bit more before writing a review. So far, I'd say the install is pretty darn easy, comparable with Redmond Linux, but that it's not quite as "cute" in some ways. On the other hand, ELX has the only OpenOffice 641 (stable build) RPMs I've seen, and is the only distro I've seen that automatically installed and started the NeoMagic sound card that is a stumbling block in so many laptop Linux installs. On the gripping hand, ELX installs some things by default, like webmin, that open potential security holes, and I found the "select individual packages" screen pretty confusing and ended up sticking to the default package groups. ELX and Redmond both represent stunning advances in ease of install and menu simplification, and both have a little ways to go before they are as good as they could be, but the people behind both are aware of the deficiencies are working hard to overcome them. It's kind of exciting to see two separate groups, one in Washington State and one in Hyderbad, India, doing such excellent -- and similar -- work. What I would *really* like to see is a partnership between Redmond and ELX. They are very similar. Combine the best features of both and I think you'd have a distro that would dominate and increase the Linux desktop market. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 4 08:41:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA06195 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:41:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA06192 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:41:35 -0500 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA08582 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:41:34 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 13:41:03 -0000 Message-ID: <3C35B2FB.F066CC29@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 08:49:47 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] Can someone try this url? It won't work for me under Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Please try this url http://www.sevwc.com and let me know if the buttons on the right side of the page display. I've tried this page using Netscape 4.79,Mozilla 0.9.7, Opera and Konquer. In all cases after downloading the plugin, the page displays about 3 or 4 buttons and then crashes the browser. However this page works just fine from windows using Netscape 4.79. I think the problem may be the IBMJava that is installed with RedHat 7.1. If anyone should get it to work, can you please supply me with information such as which Java you are using IBM or Sun. Which browser and version and which distro. If I can get this narrowed then I can submit a problem report to the guilty party. Thanks very much in advance. Mike M. -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:43:02 -0500 Received: from pop007pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.234]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08585 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:43:01 -0500 Received: from Desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-188.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.188]) by pop007pub.verizon.net with SMTP ; id g04DgadI020118 Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:42:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000901c19525$9f6e0240$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: Subject: [SLUG] Another Reason For Linux? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:42:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Sure sounds like another basis from which Linux may be promoted. Doc http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,42143,00.html Faster Home Computers a Target of Hackers Friday, January 04, 2002 WASHINGTON - Computer hackers, once satisfied to test their skills on large companies, are turning their sights on home computers that are faster, more powerful and less secure than ever before. The hackers can steal your identity, destroy your data or use your computer to launch attacks on Web sites or your friends. "Home machines weren't very interesting targets a few years ago," said Mikko Hypponen of antivirus company F-Secure in Finland. "That's all changed now." From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 4 10:17:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA06359 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:17:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA06356 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:17:38 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA08895 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:17:37 -0500 Received: from 24.95.237.134.bvl-ubr-a.cfl.rr.com by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ma194388 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:19:14 -0500 Message-ID: <002401c19532$eb191ec0$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: Cc: References: <3C35B2FB.F066CC29@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Can someone try this url? It won't work for me under Linux Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:16:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug sorry, no buttons ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Manchester" To: "slug" Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: [SLUG] Can someone try this url? It won't work for me under Linux > Please try this url > http://www.sevwc.com > and let me know if the buttons on the right side of the page display. > I've tried this page using Netscape 4.79,Mozilla 0.9.7, Opera and > Konquer. In all cases after downloading the plugin, the page displays > about 3 or 4 buttons and then crashes the browser. However this page > works just fine from windows using Netscape 4.79. > I think the problem may be the IBMJava that is installed with RedHat > 7.1. > If anyone should get it to work, can you please supply me with > information such as which Java you are using IBM or Sun. Which browser > and version and which distro. If I can get this narrowed then I can > submit a problem report to the guilty party. > > Thanks very much in advance. > Mike M. > > -- > perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'< c496e657870225f636b6371202d49636f62737f6664702355736b637 > 12a0 > RM > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 4 10:19:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA06364 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:19:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA06361 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:19:03 -0500 Received: from pop012pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.239]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08898 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:19:02 -0500 Received: from Desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-188.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.188]) by pop012pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g04FIq9U026274 Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:18:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <024a01c19533$072c50a0$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: References: <3C35B2FB.F066CC29@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Can someone try this url? It won't work for me under Linux Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:18:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On the first page there are no buttons. On the second page there are buttons on the left -- they work fine. Don't see any buttons on the right. I am on my wife's Win98se PC w/generic IE 5.50 Doc > Please try this url > http://www.sevwc.com > and let me know if the buttons on the right side of the page display. > I've tried this page using Netscape 4.79,Mozilla 0.9.7, Opera and > Konquer. In all cases after downloading the plugin, the page displays > about 3 or 4 buttons and then crashes the browser. However this page > works just fine from windows using Netscape 4.79. > I think the problem may be the IBMJava that is installed with RedHat > 7.1. > If anyone should get it to work, can you please supply me with > information such as which Java you are using IBM or Sun. Which browser > and version and which distro. If I can get this narrowed then I can > submit a problem report to the guilty party. > > Thanks very much in advance. > Mike M. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 4 10:59:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA06442 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:59:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA06439 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:59:11 -0500 Received: from femail47.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail47.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09020 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:59:10 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail47.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020104155839.IXG23959.femail47.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:58:39 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Can someone try this url? It won't work for me under Linux Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:57:36 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C35B2FB.F066CC29@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C35B2FB.F066CC29@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201041057360A.04882@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Friday 04 January 2002 08:49, you wrote: > Please try this url > http://www.sevwc.com > and let me know if the buttons on the right side of the page > display. In Konqueror there are no buttons on the right of the page and the ones on the left side of the page die a horrible death. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1519688 25664 0 236792 924556 Swap: 401584 1292 400292 Total: 1946936 1520980 425956 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 10:56amup 15 days, 8:59, 2 users, load average: 0.29, 0.29, 0.27 From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 4 12:06:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA06598 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:06:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA06595 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:06:33 -0500 Received: from chuma.cas.usf.edu (chuma.cas.usf.edu [131.247.209.50]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09271 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:06:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (borgen@localhost) by chuma.cas.usf.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25309 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:06:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:06:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Mauricio Borgen (BIO)" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Another Reason For Linux? In-Reply-To: <000901c19525$9f6e0240$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug So it is safe to say if I install Linux I won't get hacked (cough)? -Mauricio On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Doc wrote: > Sure sounds like another basis from which Linux may be promoted. > > Doc > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,42143,00.html > > Faster Home Computers a Target of Hackers > > Friday, January 04, 2002 > > WASHINGTON - Computer hackers, once satisfied to test their skills on > large companies, are turning their sights on home computers that are faster, > more powerful and less secure than ever before. > > The hackers can steal your identity, destroy your data or use your computer > to > launch attacks on Web sites or your friends. > > "Home machines weren't very interesting targets a few years ago," said Mikko > Hypponen of antivirus company F-Secure in Finland. "That's all changed now." > > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 4 11:48:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA06533 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:48:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA06530 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:48:01 -0500 Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA09182 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:48:00 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 16:47:29 -0000 Message-ID: <3C35DEB1.6BCF6E61@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:56:17 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Can someone try this url? It won't work for me under Linux References: <3C35B2FB.F066CC29@yahoo.com> <0201041057360A.04882@a.genesis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks for all your feedback. I did say buttons on the right but I really ment the left ;) Anyway it looks like I need to send the person that maintains the page a note, though I doubt they will be to willing to fix to problem as it works with Windows and we all know that the world is Windows :( Anyway thanks again for all you help. Mike M. Bill wrote: > > On Friday 04 January 2002 08:49, you wrote: > > Please try this url > > http://www.sevwc.com > > and let me know if the buttons on the right side of the page > > display. > > In Konqueror there are no buttons on the right of the page and the > ones on the left side of the page die a horrible death. > > Bill > > -- > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 1545352 1519688 25664 0 236792 924556 > Swap: 401584 1292 400292 > Total: 1946936 1520980 425956 > Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz > 10:56amup 15 days, 8:59, 2 users, load average: 0.29, 0.29, 0.27 -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:19:33 -0500 Received: from pop012pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.239]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09512 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:19:32 -0500 Received: from Desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-188.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.188]) by pop012pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g04IJM9U023066 Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:19:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <03f701c1954c$39027500$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Another Reason For Linux? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:18:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > So it is safe to say if I install Linux I won't get hacked (cough)? > -Mauricio 100% safe, no, capable of avoiding and/or fending off the majority of the attempts, sure. Why would a malicious hacker waste time going after a well-defended Linux system when he/she can easily write apps to invade and capture M$ junk? I am, of course, assuming that you'd implement current-day security protocols ... even that won't save a M$ machine! IMHO, YMMV, etc ... Doc From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 4 19:33:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA07260 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:33:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA07257 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:33:32 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10967 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:33:32 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g050X0314837 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:33:00 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Screen Capture Utility? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:37:03 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <1010103901.29460.2.camel@Maria> <02010321173903.04882@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: <02010321173903.04882@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010419370300.01386@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I thought his problem was with screen artifacts in the virtual consoles when X was running... was I wrong? Glen On Thursday 03 January 2002 21:17, you wrote: > On Thursday 03 January 2002 19:25, you wrote: > > The easiest way, no matter what desktop you use with linux is... > > The GIMP! Fire up the GIMP, click aquire... it will guide you > > through the rest. > > > > Logan > > Good answer! Move to the head of the class (IF Russ's display will > stay intact long enough to tolerate this). > > Glen's answer in re: versions of X is also worth a thought or two. > Russ kept his version of X a secret so we may never know, eh? > > Bill From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 4 19:35:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA07274 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:35:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA07271 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:35:20 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10977 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:35:19 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g050YmO23860 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:34:49 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Screen Capture Utility? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:38:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <02010318551000.01414@24285hfc17> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010419385101.01386@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Woah. Kde issues :) Non-framebufferprobs. Glen On Thursday 03 January 2002 22:13, you wrote: > On Thursday 03 January 2002 06:55 pm, you wrote: > > What version kernel / X ? When Xfree86 4 came out, there were 'issues' > > with > > I'm running the latest XFree86 that comes with Woody. 4.1.x. The kernel > doesn't matter too much, it's a patched 2.2.18 (for Voodoo3 on PPC), or > 2.4.16/.17 > > > ksnapshot did just the trick. Wanna see what I got? It's at > http://home.earthlink.net/~rhires/snapshot1.png > > Thanks for all the help! > > Russell Hires From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 4 19:38:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA07281 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:38:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA07278 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:38:33 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10994 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:38:33 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g050c2318189 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:38:02 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Short term memory problem Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:42:10 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200201041052.g04AqQW28446@smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com> <3C35ACB1.10707@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C35ACB1.10707@roblimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010419421002.01386@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug About the Neomagic - Mandrake 8.0 did this too, as long as I was using Xfree 3.3.x. Once I tried to go to 4.x it refused to work. FreeBSD is the same way, if I used XF86 4.x it will not give me even the most basic screen and crashes. Maybe the driver maintainer took a really long holiday... ? ;) Glen On Friday 04 January 2002 08:22, you wrote: > > What was the name again (and website) of that distro you were loading at > > the Brandon meeting last night. > > thanks Jim > > It was/is ELX Linux, http://www.elxlinux.com/ > > I'm going to play with it a bit more before writing a review. So far, > I'd say the install is pretty darn easy, comparable with Redmond Linux, > but that it's not quite as "cute" in some ways. On the other hand, ELX > has the only OpenOffice 641 (stable build) RPMs I've seen, and is the > only distro I've seen that automatically installed and started the > NeoMagic sound card that is a stumbling block in so many laptop Linux > installs. On the gripping hand, ELX installs some things by default, > like webmin, that open potential security holes, and I found the "select > individual packages" screen pretty confusing and ended up sticking to > the default package groups. > > ELX and Redmond both represent stunning advances in ease of install and > menu simplification, and both have a little ways to go before they are > as good as they could be, but the people behind both are aware of the > deficiencies are working hard to overcome them. It's kind of exciting to > see two separate groups, one in Washington State and one in Hyderbad, > India, doing such excellent -- and similar -- work. > > What I would *really* like to see is a partnership between Redmond and > ELX. They are very similar. Combine the best features of both and I > think you'd have a distro that would dominate and increase the Linux > desktop market. > > - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 4 20:34:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA07384 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:34:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA07381 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:34:39 -0500 Received: from femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.38]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11164 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:34:39 -0500 Received: from Maria.local ([67.162.169.156]) by femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020105013408.DZBI15906.femail44.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Maria.local> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:34:08 -0800 Subject: [SLUG] Better mouse trap than VMWARE? From: Logan To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <02010419370300.01386@24285hfc17> References: <1010103901.29460.2.camel@Maria> <02010321173903.04882@a.genesis.com> <02010419370300.01386@24285hfc17> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 04 Jan 2002 20:37:36 -0500 Message-Id: <1010194656.1304.0.camel@Maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Please read the WHOLE thing before you reply... I don't know how many of you read /., but their current article about Lindows is interesting. When I first read about it, I thought, "Oh, yet another talking monkey..." But in reading today's article and after seeing the price is only 99 bucks... Hmmm much cheaper than VMware... and if it lets folks run their windoze apps, so be it... since it appears my company would only have to buy one copy and install it as many times as it likes... Not to quote Frank Zappa but, "Cheapness..." I only bring this up, as my company produces orthodontic software that runs on linux servers which we ssh out to dumb clients by the patient chairs in the operatories (long live IGEL and Realtronic! heh.) However, in receptionist areas running ancient DOS programs that have been collecting patient data for years, I encounter, with vmware, vnc, wine, etc. etc. blah blah... various b0rks with windoze print jobs and other things. I have to write multitudes of PERL scripts and smb.conf's to make our clients happy. Yes I am whining ;-) You are now asking yourself, "Geez Logan, what the h311 is your point?!!?" Its this: I was wondering if any of you are members of the "insider group," the Lindows site FAQ mentions and if Lindows supports things like ssh and remote X displays etc. If it does, it makes my monthly aspirin bill go down and eases the strain on the binding of my PERL Black Book. You can send replies to my e-mail address or respond to the group. Maybe you can elucidate us all, as I will cut and paste any useful responses to the mailing list. Logan P.S. If you notice my horrifically small uptime, it is because I have finally figured out the way to make gdm/kdm/xdm happy with Ximian Gnome and SuSE 7.2 ;-) Its all in the .xsession... its all in the .xsession... Ok, the Heineken is distorting me... -- 8:05pm up 18 min, 1 user, load average: 0.25, 0.25, 0.18 Those who express random thoughts to legislative committees are often surprised and appalled to find themselves the instigators of law. -- Mark B. Cohen From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 4 20:36:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA07394 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:36:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA07391 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:36:21 -0500 Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11176 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:36:21 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.215.218.145.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.215.218.145] helo=Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16MfkT-00034c-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 17:35:49 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Missing Libraries Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:32:02 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200201041052.g04AqQW28446@smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com> <3C35ACB1.10707@roblimo.com> <02010419421002.01386@24285hfc17> In-Reply-To: <02010419421002.01386@24285hfc17> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010420320201.01229@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Having slight problems with Koffice due to it being version 1.0 and the latest version being 1.1.1-1 I decided to solve my simple operation problems by installing the latest RPM. Down loading worked great but on attempts to install the computer says that I need libfam.so.0 and libkdeprint.so.0. I have looked for these libraries in all the usual places, sorce forge, rpm find, KDE etc.) but either their are not there or I am not looking straight. Does anyone have any idea what location I may download these libraries from. Thanks Frank From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 4 23:45:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA07619 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:45:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA07616 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:45:09 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11593 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:45:08 -0500 Received: from ragna2k ([24.161.255.81]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g054ic301258 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:44:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001601c195a3$adf05060$2801a8c0@ragna2k.com> From: "Matt" To: References: <200201041052.g04AqQW28446@smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com> <3C35ACB1.10707@roblimo.com> <02010419421002.01386@24285hfc17> <02010420320201.01229@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Missing Libraries Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:43:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Roberts - SOTL" To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: [SLUG] Missing Libraries > Having slight problems with Koffice due to it being version 1.0 and the > latest version being 1.1.1-1 I decided to solve my simple operation problems > by installing the latest RPM. > > Down loading worked great but on attempts to install the computer says that I > need libfam.so.0 and libkdeprint.so.0. > > I have looked for these libraries in all the usual places, sorce forge, rpm > find, KDE etc.) but either their are not there or I am not looking straight. > > Does anyone have any idea what location I may download these libraries from. > > Thanks > > Frank This may get you started in the right direction...never underestimate the power of the mighty google! http://www.google.com/search?q=%22libkdeprint.so.0%22 http://www.google.com/search?q=%22libfam.so.0%22 Matt From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 5 02:21:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA07847 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 02:21:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA07844 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 02:21:16 -0500 Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12165 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 02:21:16 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.208.205.243.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.208.205.243] helo=Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Ml8F-0006UG-00; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:20:44 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net, "Matt" Subject: Re: [SLUG] Missing Libraries Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 02:16:57 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200201041052.g04AqQW28446@smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com> <02010420320201.01229@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> <001601c195a3$adf05060$2801a8c0@ragna2k.com> In-Reply-To: <001601c195a3$adf05060$2801a8c0@ragna2k.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010502165700.01588@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks Matt I did not know that you could look for RPM packages by searching for them with Goggle. Thanks for that piece of information. I took a look at the packages and immediately realized that I was way over my head in which package from which build I want. I also found out something that I had suspected and that is when you up date files on your system Via RH update agent RH does not update the system to the latest version of RH. That is I installed RH 7.1 and have updated the system but the packages I want are standard with KDE 1.1.1 which is in RH 7.2. The fact that I need the packages says volumes about RH update practices. Thanks Frank On Friday 04 January 2002 11:43 pm, Matt wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Roberts - SOTL" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:32 PM > Subject: [SLUG] Missing Libraries > > > Having slight problems with Koffice due to it being version 1.0 and the > > latest version being 1.1.1-1 I decided to solve my simple operation > > problems > > > by installing the latest RPM. > > > > Down loading worked great but on attempts to install the computer says > > that I > > > need libfam.so.0 and libkdeprint.so.0. > > > > I have looked for these libraries in all the usual places, sorce forge, > > rpm > > > find, KDE etc.) but either their are not there or I am not looking > > straight. > > > Does anyone have any idea what location I may download these libraries > > from. > > > Thanks > > > > Frank > > This may get you started in the right direction...never underestimate the > power of the mighty google! > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22libkdeprint.so.0%22 > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22libfam.so.0%22 > > Matt From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 5 18:05:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA09174 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:05:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA09171 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:05:31 -0500 Received: from pop008pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.235]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14748 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:05:31 -0500 Received: from there (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by pop008pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g05N4uqK012506 Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:04:56 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200201052304.g05N4uqK012506@pop008pub.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Tampa computer show/sale Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:04:26 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just got back--nothing special but I did get 6 puters for 10 bucks. They were supposed to be 486s but there were a few pentium 133 mixed in. I got 2 133 and 4-486s all had memory and most of the cards(a couple were missing nics). Four had HDDs,and I figure at least 5 of them(maybe all) will fire up and be just fine. Mentioned this in case there is anyone looking for parts or some old puters for routers,etc. In lots of 6 they are 10 bucks or 2 bucks each. They had a box van outside with all them in there and when I was there(bout 4:30) there were about 25-30 left. The booth is on the back wall almost directly opp the entrance. The name of the place(booth) is TBMI computers, its a Tampa outfit on Bush Blvd. Anyway, figured Id post this in case anyone was/is interested. 5 bucks parking---6 bucks admission. A J -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8N4Z/xz7sWGFN55sRAvFhAJwJBqCrFswiATB1IypKWe0/6LEX/ACfYCGx /3ChIwssJ+Arj9Qt3/lGbpU= =SiU5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 5 18:15:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA09205 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:15:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA09202 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:15:00 -0500 Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14794 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:14:59 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.215.223.185.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.215.223.185] helo=Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16N01D-0001U0-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:14:28 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Tampa computer show/sale Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:10:44 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200201052304.g05N4uqK012506@pop008pub.verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200201052304.g05N4uqK012506@pop008pub.verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010518104401.01247@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 05 January 2002 06:04 pm, you wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Just got back--nothing special but I did get 6 puters for 10 bucks. They > were supposed to be 486s but there were a few pentium 133 mixed in. I got 2 > 133 and 4-486s all had memory and most of the cards(a couple were missing > nics). Four had HDDs,and I figure at least 5 of them(maybe all) will fire > up and be just fine. Mentioned this in case there is anyone looking for > parts or some old puters for routers,etc. In lots of 6 they are 10 bucks or > 2 bucks each. They had a box van outside with all them in there and when I > was there(bout 4:30) there were about 25-30 left. The booth is on the back > wall almost directly opp the entrance. The name of the place(booth) is > TBMI computers, its a Tampa outfit on Bush Blvd. Anyway, figured Id post > this in case anyone was/is interested. 5 bucks parking---6 bucks admission. > > A J Where is the show being held at? Thanks Frank From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 5 19:33:17 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA09317 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:33:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA09314 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:33:17 -0500 Received: from smtp003pub.verizon.net (smtp003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.182]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15018 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:33:16 -0500 Received: from Desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-188.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.188]) by smtp003pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g060WkB08080 Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:32:46 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <01fc01c19649$9e453800$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: References: <200201052304.g05N4uqK012506@pop008pub.verizon.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Tampa computer show/sale Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:32:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Bought a motherboard at that same booth -- hope it is Linux friendly! Asus A7V133. Also picked up another ATX box. Anyone know of a good source for used CPU's? I now need one for this motherboard. It supports Athlons and Durons. Don't need anything cutting edge -- 266 or faster would be just fine ... real cheap is key since the case and motherboard were not in the budget! Oh yeah, also need to acquire a piece of 128m DIMM. I did visit a vendor who buys and swaps memory and other stuff for laptops. They said they had 32meg modules for $35 for my ThinkPad ... shame I didn't have my 64meg HP and 8m ThinkPad modules with me, might have walked away with what I needed for next to nothing! Will have to drop by their shop next week. Doc > Just got back--nothing special but I did get 6 puters for 10 bucks. They were > supposed to be 486s but there were a few pentium 133 mixed in. I got 2 133 > and 4-486s all had memory and most of the cards(a couple were missing nics). > Four had HDDs,and I figure at least 5 of them(maybe all) will fire up and be > just fine. Mentioned this in case there is anyone looking for parts or some > old puters for routers,etc. In lots of 6 they are 10 bucks or 2 bucks each. > They had a box van outside with all them in there and when I was there(bout > 4:30) there were about 25-30 left. The booth is on the back wall almost > directly opp the entrance. The name of the place(booth) is TBMI computers, > its a Tampa outfit on Bush Blvd. Anyway, figured Id post this in case anyone > was/is interested. 5 bucks parking---6 bucks admission. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 5 19:36:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA09331 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:36:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA09328 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:36:57 -0500 Received: from out007pub.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15034 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:36:52 -0500 Received: from there (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by out007pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g060aLD06341 Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:36:22 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200201060036.g060aLD06341@out007pub.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Tampa computer show/sale Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:36:13 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200201052304.g05N4uqK012506@pop008pub.verizon.net> <02010518104401.01247@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> In-Reply-To: <02010518104401.01247@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 05 January 2002 18:10, you wrote: > > the place(booth) is TBMI computers, its a Tampa outfit on Bush Blvd. > > Anyway, figured Id post this in case anyone was/is interested. 5 bucks > > parking---6 bucks admission. > > > > A J > > Where is the show being held at? > > Thanks > > Frank Sorry Tampa(almost) ---- State Fairgrounds on 301 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8N5v9xz7sWGFN55sRAsrAAJ9gSnwp/Ft6OonBYA1HAc3atVrdFQCeP1AN +Z14SxaoboDDmU2IEchyf30= =CD9Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 5 20:54:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA09490 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:54:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA09487 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:54:40 -0500 Received: from out001pub.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.101]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15255 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:54:39 -0500 Received: from there (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by out001pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g061s87S001702 Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:54:09 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200201060154.g061s87S001702@out001pub.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Re: Tampa computer show/sale Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:53:44 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200201052304.g05N4uqK012506@pop008pub.verizon.net> <02010518104401.01247@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> In-Reply-To: <02010518104401.01247@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 05 January 2002 18:10, you wrote: > > Just got back--nothing special but I did get 6 puters for 10 bucks. They > > were supposed to be 486s but there were a few pentium 133 mixed in. I A J K I harvested the HDDs(214 mg almost not worth the time) and floppys--also took a few IDE cables but if anyone wants the 486 boxes--all desktop--you are welcome to them----Im just going to keep the 133s. So, mobo--processor case and power supply along with various assorted cards ---Im going to scrap them for screws etc if no-one wants them---just msg me and let me know--- offlist would prob be best A J -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8N64oxz7sWGFN55sRAmQlAJ9FQMsbK11wMRC0K2lDcp0NRGywYgCfd+9+ kHUG5UKgSfxalznXniROZy8= =sOxZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 7 01:12:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA17733 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:12:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA17730 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:12:31 -0500 Received: from bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.72]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20671 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:12:31 -0500 Received: from louise (A020-1276.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.87.6]) by bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g076B2807664 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:11:03 -0500 Message-ID: <024901c19742$24b40da0$021ba8c0@sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <20020102113728.12C492757@sitemail.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Modem help Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:07:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug First the M$ crap is someone who is willing to share knowledge so you can benifit. Second. The results will vary depending on the software used. Minicom is a good test to verify your hardware is connecting. kppp from the desktop will let you choose pap or chap authentication in the setup previously someone responded that pap is used by your ISP. if your using pppd, then the file /etc/ppp/pap-secrets will need to be edited like: userid * password * additionally the file /etc/ppp/options is very important. Find the answers in the manual pages for pppd In the authentication section is a comment about the user options on the command line for pppd. Larry :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Carson Wilcox Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:37 AM > I'm not sure what that M$ crap is, I thought this was a Linux news group > At any rate I am getting connected but my login fails and the connection drops. > I've tried kpppd,pppd,ppp-on, and minicom, all with the same results? > --- R P Herrold > >> win9x > >> Start>Run...> winipcfg > >> win2k > >> Start>Run...> ipconfig > >or on both in a shell (command prompt) box: > > route print > >and read the routing table > >see contra, in most every unix: netstat -rn From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 7 09:00:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA19038 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:00:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA19035 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:00:34 -0500 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA22599 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:00:34 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 13:59:59 -0000 Message-ID: <3C39ABFB.8494E7CD@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 09:08:59 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] need video editing software for Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm looking for software that allows one to combine video mpeg files to create one file that can be burnt to a cd using vcdimager. I looked at Broadcast 2000 but couldn't find a binary for Redhat 7.1 and didn't have any luck getting the source to compile. Any suggests on where to find information on doing this kind of thing or how to do it would be appricated. Thanks Mike M -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:27:32 -0500 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22705 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:27:32 -0500 Received: from user-33qts7f.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.240.239] helo=micro.hef) by smtp6.mindspring.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Najs-0008Oj-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 09:27:00 -0500 Received: (qmail 9727 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 14:40:29 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO mindspring.com) (ronan@133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 14:40:29 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3A4C8B.5020201@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:34:03 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.5+) Gecko/20011022 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] need video editing software for Linux References: <3C39ABFB.8494E7CD@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Mike Manchester wrote: I'm looking for software that allows one to combine video mpeg files to create one file that can be burnt to a cd using vcdimager. I looked at ... Mike- I have been using MainActor for a few years now. It is a great Non-Linear Editor. You can download the RPM from www.mainactor.com, but until you register ($50??), the words "Main Actor" will appear dead-center in any video that you output from MainActor. Aside from that, the "demo" is fully-functional. It has a ton of transition effects, and can maniuplate many video and audio tracks at once. BTW, MainActor is also available for Windows (looks like the same codebase), and when you register, you are buying a license that is valid for Linux and Windows. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 7 11:10:48 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA19501 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:10:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA19498 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:10:47 -0500 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA23197 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:10:47 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 16:10:14 -0000 Message-ID: <3C39CA83.3AB9AFF7@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:19:15 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] need video editing software for Linux References: <3C39ABFB.8494E7CD@yahoo.com> <3C3A4C8B.5020201@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks Ronan; But I was hoping for a GNU solution. But if I can't find on of those I'll check out mainactor. Ronan Heffernan wrote: > > Mike Manchester wrote: > > I'm looking for software that allows one to combine video mpeg files to > create one file that can be burnt to a cd using vcdimager. I looked at > ... > > Mike- > I have been using MainActor for a few years now. It is a great > Non-Linear Editor. You can download the RPM from www.mainactor.com, but > until you register ($50??), the words "Main Actor" will appear > dead-center in any video that you output from MainActor. Aside from > that, the "demo" is fully-functional. It has a ton of transition > effects, and can maniuplate many video and audio tracks at once. BTW, > MainActor is also available for Windows (looks like the same codebase), > and when you register, you are buying a license that is valid for Linux > and Windows. --ronan -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:08:10 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23998 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:08:08 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA23759 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:07:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Better mouse trap than VMWARE? From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1010194656.1304.0.camel@Maria> References: <1010103901.29460.2.camel@Maria> <02010321173903.04882@a.genesis.com> <02010419370300.01386@24285hfc17> <1010194656.1304.0.camel@Maria> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 07 Jan 2002 14:07:36 -0500 Message-Id: <1010430456.14055.3.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 2002-01-04 at 20:37, Logan wrote: > Please read the WHOLE thing before you reply... > You are now asking yourself, "Geez Logan, what the h311 is your > point?!!?" Its this: I was wondering if any of you are members of the > "insider group," the Lindows site FAQ mentions and if Lindows supports > things like ssh and remote X displays etc. If it does, it makes my > monthly aspirin bill go down and eases the strain on the binding of my > PERL Black Book. I think the real test is going to be whether or not "Lindows" is ever anything but vaporware. So far it's showing all the classic symptoms of being vaporware and snake oil. My guess is that it's nothing more than a last-ditch effort at someone to grab up some of the last remaining bits of Linux-oriented VC with something that sounds like a sane idea but will eventually be canned with an excuse of "lack of funds" or something similar. I have very very low expectations that this product will ever be anything, and if it is, I'd go so far as to bet the farm that it's just a repackaged RedHat with the latest CVS of WINE included, preinstalled. There's some possibility that they might license the Transgaming or Transvirtual or whoever it is that's got the Direct-thingie enabled WINE and the deal with Mandrake and making the "Linux Gaming Edition" with "The Sims", but as I see this as nothing more than an attempted money-grab, I doubt it. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 7 14:09:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA19988 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:09:38 -0500 Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA19984 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:09:37 -0500 From: keith.kepner@us.pwcglobal.com Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id OAA24524; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xma022724; Mon, 7 Jan 02 14:04:58 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GPL00GG712XX8@uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com>; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:06:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:07:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] need video editing software for Linux To: slug@nks.net Cc: slug@lists.nks.net, slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 01/07/2002 02:07:58 PM Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ronan, I, to, am looking for a good video editing software package. I have Adobe Premiere, but at a cost of $300-$500.00, I'm not real excited about actually purchasing it. Was wondering if you have used Premiere and how it might compare with MainActor. If it comes down to spending $50 or $500..., etc. Ronan Heffernan cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [SLUG] need video editing software for Linux slug@lists.nks.net 01/07/2002 08:34 PM Please respond to slug Mike Manchester wrote: I'm looking for software that allows one to combine video mpeg files to create one file that can be burnt to a cd using vcdimager. I looked at ... Mike- I have been using MainActor for a few years now. It is a great Non-Linear Editor. You can download the RPM from www.mainactor.com, but until you register ($50??), the words "Main Actor" will appear dead-center in any video that you output from MainActor. Aside from that, the "demo" is fully-functional. It has a ton of transition effects, and can maniuplate many video and audio tracks at once. BTW, MainActor is also available for Windows (looks like the same codebase), and when you register, you are buying a license that is valid for Linux and Windows. --ronan ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 7 14:09:37 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA19985 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:09:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA19980 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:09:37 -0500 Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24015 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:09:36 -0500 From: keith.kepner@us.pwcglobal.com Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id OAA24524; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xma022724; Mon, 7 Jan 02 14:04:58 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GPL00GG712XX8@uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com>; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:06:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:07:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] need video editing software for Linux To: slug@nks.net Cc: slug@lists.nks.net, slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 01/07/2002 02:07:58 PM Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ronan, I, to, am looking for a good video editing software package. I have Adobe Premiere, but at a cost of $300-$500.00, I'm not real excited about actually purchasing it. Was wondering if you have used Premiere and how it might compare with MainActor. If it comes down to spending $50 or $500..., etc. Ronan Heffernan cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [SLUG] need video editing software for Linux slug@lists.nks.net 01/07/2002 08:34 PM Please respond to slug Mike Manchester wrote: I'm looking for software that allows one to combine video mpeg files to create one file that can be burnt to a cd using vcdimager. I looked at ... Mike- I have been using MainActor for a few years now. It is a great Non-Linear Editor. You can download the RPM from www.mainactor.com, but until you register ($50??), the words "Main Actor" will appear dead-center in any video that you output from MainActor. Aside from that, the "demo" is fully-functional. It has a ton of transition effects, and can maniuplate many video and audio tracks at once. BTW, MainActor is also available for Windows (looks like the same codebase), and when you register, you are buying a license that is valid for Linux and Windows. --ronan ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 7 14:43:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA20124 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:43:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA20121 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:43:09 -0500 Received: from lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com ([24.94.153.132]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24206 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:43:08 -0500 Received: from backwatcher.com (labyrinth.sec.gnutec.com [172.16.1.11]) (authenticated) by lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com (MYOB) with ESMTP id g07JlXO00013 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:47:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:33:31 -0500 From: Kyle Amon To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Better mouse trap than VMWARE? Message-Id: <20020107143331.6047d116.amonk@gnutec.com> In-Reply-To: <1010430456.14055.3.camel@two> References: <1010103901.29460.2.camel@Maria> <02010321173903.04882@a.genesis.com> <02010419370300.01386@24285hfc17> <1010194656.1304.0.camel@Maria> <1010430456.14055.3.camel@two> Organization: Kyle Amon, Inc. X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) X-Rant: Free Sklyarov! X-Face: gMIxc}Ww$pq3}oH)YAo:0f1pDx`GbOGz>ZO_|NVo$c1(AS|{pgBL?g0M~,!N&<~kDkK`S@YRK%P<.@bg;TfiKb1=NMGO(SOu%jMeBB-Ma8CcIA,xyE[h\:gX I think the real test is going to be whether or not "Lindows" is ever > anything but vaporware. So far it's showing all the classic symptoms of > being vaporware and snake oil. My guess is that it's nothing more than > a last-ditch effort at someone to grab up some of the last remaining > bits of Linux-oriented VC with something that sounds like a sane idea > but will eventually be canned with an excuse of "lack of funds" or > something similar. > > I have very very low expectations that this product will ever be > anything, and if it is, I'd go so far as to bet the farm that it's just > a repackaged RedHat with the latest CVS of WINE included, preinstalled. > There's some possibility that they might license the Transgaming or > Transvirtual or whoever it is that's got the Direct-thingie enabled WINE > and the deal with Mandrake and making the "Linux Gaming Edition" with > "The Sims", but as I see this as nothing more than an attempted > money-grab, I doubt it. -- Kyle Amon (TM) voice: 813-979-1633 email: amonk@gnutec.com Kyle Amon, Inc. fax: 813-977-5843 web: http://gnutec.com/~amonk icq: 46479255 KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 Key fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 7 15:04:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA20175 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:04:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA20172 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:04:38 -0500 Received: from web11402.mail.yahoo.com (web11402.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.232]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA24321 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:04:38 -0500 Message-ID: <20020107200407.75023.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.42.208.139] by web11402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:04:07 PST Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:04:07 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: [SLUG] HAM Radio and LINUX To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20020103182135.B2601@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I saw not long ago some discussion on the list about HAM radio and some quesitons about LINUX compatability.. Now that I am ready for my first HAM license, I wanted to find out if there is CW software for LINUX and what if any Packet Radio software there might be ? Thanks Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 7 15:28:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA20243 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:28:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA20240 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:28:42 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24449 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:28:41 -0500 Received: from newcomputer (653267hfc216.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.216]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g07KSAW11429 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:28:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000b01c197ba$1278c360$d8432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] need video editing software for Linux Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:29:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I use Adobe Premier.for ripping Music Videos. Adobe Premier is a great Product how ever it runs under Windows ! To bad they do not have a Linux port of it. Another Website that may have something you could check is Vcdhelp.com They have alot of tips and hints on ripping vids and using capture cards. Hope that helps you. Bill Preece -----Original Message----- From: keith.kepner@us.pwcglobal.com To: slug@nks.net Cc: slug@lists.nks.net ; slug@nks.net Date: Monday, January 07, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] need video editing software for Linux > >Ronan, > >I, to, am looking for a good video editing software package. I have Adobe >Premiere, but at a cost of $300-$500.00, I'm not real excited about >actually purchasing it. Was wondering if you have used Premiere and how >it might compare with MainActor. If it comes down to spending $50 or >$500..., etc. > > > > > > > Ronan Heffernan > pring.com> cc: > Sent by: Subject: Re: [SLUG] need video editing software for Linux > slug@lists.nks.net > 01/07/2002 08:34 PM > > Please respond to slug > > > > > > >Mike Manchester wrote: > >I'm looking for software that allows one to combine video mpeg files to >create one file that can be burnt to a cd using vcdimager. I looked at >... > > >Mike- > I have been using MainActor for a few years now. It is a great >Non-Linear Editor. You can download the RPM from www.mainactor.com, but >until you register ($50??), the words "Main Actor" will appear >dead-center in any video that you output from MainActor. Aside from >that, the "demo" is fully-functional. It has a ton of transition >effects, and can maniuplate many video and audio tracks at once. BTW, >MainActor is also available for Windows (looks like the same codebase), >and when you register, you are buying a license that is valid for Linux >and Windows. --ronan > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or > other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this > information by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 7 16:14:17 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA20348 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:14:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA20345 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:14:17 -0500 Received: from mail15b.boca15-verio.com (mail15b.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA24638 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:14:16 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 083169786 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:12:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C3A0EA3.5010300@roblimo.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:09:55 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HAM Radio and LINUX References: <20020107200407.75023.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Now that I am ready for my first HAM license, I > wanted to find out if there is CW software for LINUX > and what if any Packet Radio software there might be ? Start here: http://linux.davecentral.com/search/?site=Linux+DC&q=amateur+radio There are entire sites devoted to amateur radio + linux. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 7 17:29:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA20509 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:29:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA20506 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:29:52 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24978 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:29:51 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt0a2n0b.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.25.11]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g07MTL212811 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:29:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C3A2480.1AE2DC86@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 17:43:12 -0500 From: Anita Pesola X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: [SLUG] Still have the old hardware... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi, I still have that old hardware that I talked about before. If you're really interested, please contact me OFF-LIST. I really have to get rid of this---I'm developing muscles having to move them out of my way. Thanks, Anita From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 7 18:33:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA20691 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:33:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA20688 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:33:32 -0500 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25243 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:33:32 -0500 Received: from user-33qts95.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.241.37] helo=micro.hef) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16NjGG-0003If-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 18:33:00 -0500 Received: (qmail 10298 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 23:46:33 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO mindspring.com) (ronan@133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 23:46:33 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3ACC85.10700@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 05:40:05 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.5+) Gecko/20011022 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] need video editing software for Linux References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug keith.kepner@us.pwcglobal.com wrote: Ronan, I, to, am looking for a good video editing software package. I have Adobe Premiere, but at a cost of $300-$500.00, I'm not real excited about actually purchasing it. Was wondering if you have used Premiere and how it might compare with MainActor. If it comes down to spending $50 or $500..., etc. Keith- If you have specific questions, I can try to answer them. but the best way to see what MainActor has to offer is to download it. The free (only as in beer) download is fully functional, except that it has the words "Main Actor" emblazoned across the middle of your video output. All of the transition effects are there, 2D and 3D text, pseudo-oscilliscope graphic streams, etc. It spits-out many formats: AVI, MPEG-I, FLI, and I think it does RealVideo and Quicktime, but I haven't used those. There is supposed to be an expansion pack coming out to do MPEG-II (necessary for SVCD), and the DV (ieee1394) support under Linux is still under development (I use dvgrab to suck video in from my Sony camcorder). --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 7 18:47:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA20744 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:47:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA20741 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:47:11 -0500 Received: from pop010pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.237]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25311 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:47:11 -0500 Received: from there (cable2-146.gte.net [24.96.63.146]) by pop010pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g07Nke5g028111 Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:46:40 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200201072346.g07Nke5g028111@pop010pub.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Still have the old hardware... Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:46:24 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <3C3A2480.1AE2DC86@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3C3A2480.1AE2DC86@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 07 January 2002 17:43, you wrote: > Hi, > > I still have that old hardware that I talked about before. If you're > really interested, please contact me OFF-LIST. I really have to get rid > of this---I'm developing muscles having to move them out of my way. > > Thanks, > Anita I have already emailed you twice with no reply----maybe the email just isnt getting to you?? In any case I would like to take it all off your hands just let me know where and when Thanks, A J -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8OjNQxz7sWGFN55sRAt0pAKCHzt8LTobSelzwd216QCpK67vNXgCeJaUi oJaCxsxZGNbf0nuxtzpwbiY= =Dzi2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 7 23:12:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA21338 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:12:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA21333 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:12:08 -0500 Received: from wellington.cnchost.com (wellington.concentric.net [207.155.252.14]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26206; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:12:07 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by wellington.cnchost.com id XAA19190; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:11:36 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16NndR-00036w-00; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 23:13:13 -0500 To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, linux-announce@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: From: "Paul M. Foster" Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 23:13:13 -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* TAMPA **************************************************** 9 January 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd Lakepointe I Building Tampa, FL 33607 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#tampa for directions. BRANDON II *********************************************** 17 January 19:00-21:00 Brandon (third Thursday of each month) Computer Advantage Store 217 Brandon Town Center Drive Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#BrandonII for directions. SARASOTA ************************************************* 22 January 19:00-21:00 Sarasota (fourth Tuesday of each month) Certification Inc. 2033 Wood St Suite 220 Sarasota, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#sarasota for directions. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 26 January 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library, 223 Douglas Ave., Community Room A. Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#dunedin for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 2 February 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#npr for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 7 February 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#Brandon for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 7 23:34:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA21390 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:34:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA21387 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:34:04 -0500 Received: from bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.72]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26261 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:34:04 -0500 Received: from louise (A020-0895.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.85.133]) by bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g084Vg913286 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:31:42 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c197fd$716a5a80$021ba8c0@sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <20020102113728.12C492757@sitemail.everyone.net> <024901c19742$24b40da0$021ba8c0@sanders> Subject: [SLUG] PPP on Demand - User? Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:31:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Using the Linux PPP HOWTO, the firewall system, "gate" will dial on demand to connect to the ISP. The file /etc/ppp/ppp-on (see below) is executed by rc.local at boot. Works great!! The options file is also included below. I would like to have other users, mere mortals, to be able to stop and start the deamon. I have created symbolic links in /bin ... BUT when another user executes ppp-off, then follows this error: /bin/ppp-off: kill: (1590) - not owner rm: cannot unlink /var/run/ppp0.pid': Permission denied ERROR: Removed stale pid file and the connection continues. How do I let the deamon start at boot, but let any user stop/start it? =================================================== #!/bin/sh # File /etc/ppp/ppp-on # Script to initiate a ppp connection. This is the first part of the # pair of scripts. This is not a secure pair of scripts as the codes # are visible with the 'ps' command. However, it is simple. # # These are the parameters. Change as needed. TELEPHONE=555-1212 # The telephone number for the connection ACCOUNT=username # The account name for logon (as in 'George Burns') PASSWORD=userpass # The password for this account (and 'Gracie Allen') LOCAL_IP=0.0.0.0 # Local IP address if known. Dynamic = 0.0.0.0 REMOTE_IP=0.0.0.0 # Remote IP address if desired. Normally 0.0.0.0 NETMASK=255.255.255.0 # The proper netmask if needed # Export them so that they will be available at 'ppp-on-dialer' time. export TELEPHONE # ACCOUNT PASSWORD # # This is the location of the script which dials the phone and logs # in. Please use the absolute file name as the $PATH variable is not # used on the connect option. (To do so on a 'root' account would be # a security hole so don't ask.) DIALER_SCRIPT=/etc/ppp/ppp-on-dialer # # Initiate the connection # I put most of the common options on this command. Please, don't # forget the 'lock' option or some programs such as mgetty will not # work. The asyncmap and escape will permit the PPP link to work with # a telnet or rlogin connection. You are welcome to make any changes # as desired. Don't use the 'defaultroute' option if you currently # have a default route to an ethernet gateway. # The file /etc/ppp/options is the default options list # Now connect using modem on Serial 2 with some characters escaped and # the chat dialer script: # exec /usr/sbin/pppd /dev/ttyS1 user $ACCOUNT connect $DIALER_SCRIPT \ asyncmap 20A0000 escape FF netmask $NETMASK $LOCAL_IP:$REMOTE_IP # debug kdebug 0 # extra logging can be commented out later # End of ppp-on ================================================= # options for pppd # start with connect script file # hardware opptions modem # use standard modem coltrol 115200 # default/maximum speed to use crtscts # use hardware flow control lock # lock the serial port idle 275 # seconds idel to disconnect # logfile pppd.log # append log msg to file # authentication/connection options noauth # peer not required to authenticate noipdefault # get/use local ip from peer defaultroute # add default route to table usepeerdns # get/use dns addresses from peer # demand dialing options demand # initiate link on demand persist # do not exit, try reconnect holdoff 3 # seconds to wait before re-link # # store as /etc/ppp/options # check that /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 1 # and that /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_dynaddr 1 From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 00:18:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA21458 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:18:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA21394 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:38:39 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f90.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.90]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26277 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:38:15 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:37:36 -0800 Received: from 65.32.114.131 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 04:37:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.32.114.131] From: "Steven Johnson" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Ham Radio Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 04:37:36 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 04:37:36.0848 (UTC) FILETIME=[328A0D00:01C197FE] Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Since someone has already brought up Ham Radio I would like to know if anyone has any information on attaining a Technician Class license. Study Guides or information about local clubs that offer classes would be helpful. What I am most interested in is taking a hand-held radio out with me during kayaking trips and using local repeaters, possibly even autopatch, to communicate with the outside world. And, to make this relevant to this club, here is a useful Linux Ham Radio link that I found chockful of wholesome goodness http://radio.linux.org.au/ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 07:28:36 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA22407 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:28:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA22404 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:28:36 -0500 Received: from web11406.mail.yahoo.com (web11406.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.236]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA28144 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:28:36 -0500 Message-ID: <20020108122805.83138.qmail@web11406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.42.208.139] by web11406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 04:28:05 PST Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 04:28:05 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: Re: [SLUG] Still have the old hardware... To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C3A2480.1AE2DC86@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ANita if you have old PC's I would be happy to take them.. just let me know what you have and I will make arrangements to pick it up this coming weekend ! Thanks! Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 11:35:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA22706 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:35:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA22703 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:35:13 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28900 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:35:13 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g08GasY20157 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:36:54 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:34:24 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:34:10 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: [SLUG] Adding a carriage return after each line in a file. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id LAA22704 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi, Is it possible to add a carriage return after each line in a file? I know in vi you can use CTRL-V to add a but I'm not sure how to automate it to do it after each line. Each line is 856 bytes in size and corresponds to a record. Also is their a way to do this from a script so I can automate through cron every day. Thanks. Brett From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 13:02:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA22837 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:02:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA22834 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:02:54 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA29156 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:02:54 -0500 Received: (qmail 16267 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2002 18:02:23 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 18:02:23 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 12:02:21 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Adding a carriage return after each line in a file. Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:02:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug There is an old unix command that will do that for you. I believe it is dos2unix or something like that. Try this site for the command. http://www.megaloman.com/~hany/RPM/dos2unix.html Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Brett Simpson Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:34 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Adding a carriage return after each line in a file. Hi, Is it possible to add a carriage return after each line in a file? I know in vi you can use CTRL-V to add a but I'm not sure how to automate it to do it after each line. Each line is 856 bytes in size and corresponds to a record. Also is their a way to do this from a script so I can automate through cron every day. Thanks. Brett From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 13:37:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA22910 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:37:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA22907 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:37:13 -0500 Received: from smtp003pub.verizon.net (smtp003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.182]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29281 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:37:12 -0500 Received: from Desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-188.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.188]) by smtp003pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g08IagI10248 Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:36:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <031a01c19873$5e9a0e20$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ham Radio Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:36:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The best place to start is www.arrl.org They have all the information you need, plus they can put you in touch with a local club where friendly folks will help you to study and hook you up with a testing site schedule. Please E-mail me directly if you'd like more information. 73, Doc KD4E > Since someone has already brought up Ham Radio I would like to know if > anyone has any information on attaining a Technician Class license. Study > Guides or information about local clubs that offer classes would be helpful. > > What I am most interested in is taking a hand-held radio out with me during > kayaking trips and using local repeaters, possibly even autopatch, to > communicate with the outside world. > > And, to make this relevant to this club, here is a useful Linux Ham Radio > link that I found chockful of wholesome goodness http://radio.linux.org.au/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 15:11:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA23148 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:11:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA23145 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:11:56 -0500 Received: from viking.fortresstech.com (router.fortresstech.com [207.87.233.66] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29778 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:11:56 -0500 From: bfoxworth@fortresstech.com Received: by vikinga.fortresstech.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:14:57 -0500 Message-ID: <60C9F43DF275D51196F3000102550D5F017CBC@vikinga.fortresstech.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Adding a carriage return after each line in a file. Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:14:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Can't you pipe it through sed and do a global search for all 0x0d and replace with 0x0d0x0a (whatever the octal values are) The newline is a CR (0d) and for DOS mode you have to add a LF (0a) after each CR. This may be do-able with tr also. The script could ' cat oldfile | sed [arg] > newfile' However I never tried doing it. > Hi, > > Is it possible to add a carriage return after each line in a file? I know > in vi you can use CTRL-V to add a but I'm not sure how to automate it > to do it after each line. Each line is 856 bytes in size and corresponds > to a record. Also is their a way to do this from a script so I can > automate through cron every day. Thanks. > > Brett From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 15:34:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA23164 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:34:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA23161 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:34:00 -0500 Received: from lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com ([24.94.153.132]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29849 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:34:00 -0500 Received: from backwatcher.com (labyrinth.sec.gnutec.com [172.16.1.11]) (authenticated) by lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com (MYOB) with ESMTP id g08Kc2An020451 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:38:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:23:46 -0500 From: Kyle Amon To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Adding a carriage return after each line in a file. Message-Id: <20020108152346.16c4d185.amonk@gnutec.com> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Kyle Amon, Inc. X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) X-Rant: Free Sklyarov! X-Face: gMIxc}Ww$pq3}oH)YAo:0f1pDx`GbOGz>ZO_|NVo$c1(AS|{pgBL?g0M~,!N&<~kDkK`S@YRK%P<.@bg;TfiKb1=NMGO(SOu%jMeBB-Ma8CcIA,xyE[h\:gX /bar/fixed Note that the ^M characters are made by pressing CTRL-V followed by CTRL-M in each case. -- Kyle On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:02:12 -0500 "Mikes work account" wrote: > There is an old unix command that will do that for you. I believe it is > dos2unix or something like that. Try this site for the command. > > http://www.megaloman.com/~hany/RPM/dos2unix.html > > Michael C. Rock > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Brett > Simpson > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:34 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] Adding a carriage return after each line in a file. > > > Hi, > > Is it possible to add a carriage return after each line in a file? I > know in > vi you can use CTRL-V to add a but I'm not sure how to automate it > to > do it after each line. Each line is 856 bytes in size and corresponds to > a > record. Also is their a way to do this from a script so I can automate > through cron every day. Thanks. > > Brett > > > > -- Kyle Amon (TM) voice: 813-979-1633 email: amonk@gnutec.com Kyle Amon, Inc. fax: 813-977-5843 web: http://gnutec.com/~amonk icq: 46479255 KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 Key fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 This email Copyright 2001 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, 6002 Palm Shadow Way, Suite 1218, Tampa, FL 33647: (813) 979-1311 amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk. All rights Reserved. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 16:05:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA23196 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:05:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA23193 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:05:44 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29962 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:05:44 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g08L7ZY05692 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:07:35 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:05:05 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:05:01 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Adding a carriage return after each line in a file. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id QAA23194 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Andrew had suggested using this perl script to get the carriage returns in place and it worked. #!/usr/bin/perl if ($ARGV[1] eq "") { print "Usage: scriptname filein fileout\n"; } @in=`cat $ARGV[0]`; open (out,">$ARGV[1]"); foreach $line(@in) { chomp $line; print out $line."\n\n"; } close (out); >>> bfoxworth@fortresstech.com 01/08/02 03:14PM >>> Can't you pipe it through sed and do a global search for all 0x0d and replace with 0x0d0x0a (whatever the octal values are) The newline is a CR (0d) and for DOS mode you have to add a LF (0a) after each CR. This may be do-able with tr also. The script could ' cat oldfile | sed [arg] > newfile' However I never tried doing it. > Hi, > > Is it possible to add a carriage return after each line in a file? I know > in vi you can use CTRL-V to add a but I'm not sure how to automate it > to do it after each line. Each line is 856 bytes in size and corresponds > to a record. Also is their a way to do this from a script so I can > automate through cron every day. Thanks. > > Brett From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 16:15:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA23263 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:15:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA23260 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:15:23 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30043 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:15:22 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g08LHDY06207 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:17:14 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:14:44 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:14:38 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: [SLUG] Adding a line feed after each line in a file. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id QAA23261 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks everyone for the help on the carriage return. Now does anyone know how to add a line feed to the end of each line? In the hex editor each line will end in a 0a but I need it to end in a 0a0d. Brett Brett From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 17:18:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA23391 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:18:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA23388 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:18:24 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30318 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:18:24 -0500 Received: from obwan (6532163hfc129.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.163.129]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g08MHl224188 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:17:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301c19892$505f13e0$17010a0a@obwan> From: "Andrew Wyatt" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Adding a line feed after each line in a file. Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:17:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Modify the \n\n in my script to \r\n\r\n -Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Simpson" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:14 PM Subject: [SLUG] Adding a line feed after each line in a file. > Thanks everyone for the help on the carriage return. Now does anyone know how to add a line feed to the end of each line? In the hex editor each line will end in a 0a but I need it to end in a 0a0d. Brett > > Brett > > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 16:44:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA23304 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:44:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA23301 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:44:20 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30165 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:44:19 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g08LkAY08014 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:46:10 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:43:41 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:43:39 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Adding a carriage return after each line in a file. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id QAA23302 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks. >>> amonk@gnutec.com 01/08/02 03:23PM >>> To change every line at once, use vi as follows... :%s/$/^M$/g To automate it in a script, use sed as follows... sed 's/$/^M/g' /foo/fucked > /bar/fixed Note that the ^M characters are made by pressing CTRL-V followed by CTRL-M in each case. -- Kyle On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:02:12 -0500 "Mikes work account" wrote: > There is an old unix command that will do that for you. I believe it is > dos2unix or something like that. Try this site for the command. > > http://www.megaloman.com/~hany/RPM/dos2unix.html > > Michael C. Rock > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Brett > Simpson > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:34 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] Adding a carriage return after each line in a file. > > > Hi, > > Is it possible to add a carriage return after each line in a file? I > know in > vi you can use CTRL-V to add a but I'm not sure how to automate it > to > do it after each line. Each line is 856 bytes in size and corresponds to > a > record. Also is their a way to do this from a script so I can automate > through cron every day. Thanks. > > Brett > > > > -- Kyle Amon (TM) voice: 813-979-1633 email: amonk@gnutec.com Kyle Amon, Inc. fax: 813-977-5843 web: http://gnutec.com/~amonk icq: 46479255 KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 Key fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 This email Copyright 2001 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, 6002 Palm Shadow Way, Suite 1218, Tampa, FL 33647: (813) 979-1311 amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk. All rights Reserved. -- This message has been 'sanitized'. This means that potentially dangerous content has been rewritten or removed. The following log describes which actions were taken. Sanitizer (start="1010525079"): Split unusually long word(s) in header. SanitizeFile (filename="unnamed.txt", mimetype="text/plain"): Match (rule="default"): Enforced policy: accept Total modifications so far: 1 Anomy 0.0.0 : Sanitizer.pm $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.32 2001/10/11 19:27:15 bre Exp $ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 17:24:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA23411 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:24:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA23408 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:24:03 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30349 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:24:02 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g08MPrY10558 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:25:53 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:23:23 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:23:19 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Adding a line feed after each line in a file. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id RAA23409 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I figured it out. I used a perl command to do it. perl -p -e 's/$/\r/' < unix_file > windows_file Brett >>> Simpsonb@hillsboroughcounty.org 01/08/02 04:14PM >>> Thanks everyone for the help on the carriage return. Now does anyone know how to add a line feed to the end of each line? In the hex editor each line will end in a 0a but I need it to end in a 0a0d. Brett Brett From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 17:43:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA23425 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:43:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA23422 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:43:13 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30416 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:43:13 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g08Mj3Y11566 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:45:03 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:42:34 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:42:31 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Adding a line feed after each line in a file. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id RAA23423 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks. >>> awyatt@bbsgamers.com 01/08/02 05:17PM >>> Modify the \n\n in my script to \r\n\r\n -Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Simpson" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:14 PM Subject: [SLUG] Adding a line feed after each line in a file. > Thanks everyone for the help on the carriage return. Now does anyone know how to add a line feed to the end of each line? In the hex editor each line will end in a 0a but I need it to end in a 0a0d. Brett > > Brett > > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 18:12:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA23457 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:12:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA23454 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:12:37 -0500 Received: from agamemnon.cnchost.com (agamemnon.cnchost.com [207.155.252.31]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30510 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:12:34 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by agamemnon.cnchost.com id SAA23912; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:12:03 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16O5RI-0004Qs-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:13:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:13:40 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] (FWD) PHPTR User Groups 2002 Message-ID: <20020108181340.A12416@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Amazingly, these guys had the good sense _not_ to send HTML email (the usual for people like this). If you're interested in Prentice-Hall discounts or want to receive their newsletter, then this message is for you. Paul ----- Forwarded message from UserGroups@prenhall.com ----- From: UserGroups@prenhall.com Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 12:00:17 -0500 To: UserGroups@prenhall.com Subject: PHPTR User Groups 2002 Message-id: <691974AB8807D21196F200600842F757051175FB@oldtms009.schuster.com> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) Dear PHPTR User Group, Happy New Year and welcome to the Prentice Hall PTR User Group program! 2002 looks to be an exciting year for both our company and the User Group program, and in that vein we have many different offers and activities for you to take part in. I wanted to take some time to inform you about one of the membership benefits that you receive now that you are a registered PHPTR User Group. As a registered User Group all of your members are entitled to books discounted by up to 50% on our private User Group bookstore site. Simply go to http://www.phptr.com/user_groups/index.html. The password for your group is "linux". This private bookstore serves as a great resource center for all your computing needs. If you would like your members to subscribe to our newsletter, please send their emails to this address and we'll sign you up. We send only one newsletter per month, designed to keep you on top of the industry. Keep in mind that we do not sell our list to anyone, so your subscription to it will be spam-free. Prentice Hall PTR is currently looking for reviewers for our 2002 titles. If you or any member of your group is interested, just write to us at this address and let us know. We'll be in touch with the candidate as soon as possible. If you have any questions or comments, feel free to let us know at this email address. We'll do our best to help you out in as timely and accurate manner as possible. Look forward to more emails and more offers from us in the coming months. Thank you, Justin Somma & Jim Keogh PHPTR User Group program ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 19:30:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA23586 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:30:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA23583 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:30:46 -0500 Received: from pandora.nks.net (pandora.nks.net [216.139.201.9]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30803 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:30:45 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f69.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.69]) by pandora.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21098 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:10:41 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:49:00 -0800 Received: from 198.51.174.14 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:49:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.51.174.14] From: "Steven Johnson" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Ham Radio Training Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:49:00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 18:49:00.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[22BD9550:01C19875] Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug FYI: There is a Ham Radio Class starting tomorrow evening 6:30 to 8:30 PM at the Red Cross Building, 818 4th Street North. No sign up required. It is $15 for the license guide, no fee for the class. The class is 10 weeks long. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 20:31:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA23668 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:31:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA23665 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:31:26 -0500 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30983 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:31:25 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.208.206.161.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.208.206.161] helo=Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16O7Zu-0002GV-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:30:55 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Red Flag Linux Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:27:13 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <02010818074101.01301@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> In-Reply-To: <02010818074101.01301@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010820271300.01258@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug For you down and out Linux haters you may want to consider the following small article. You may also want to note the name of the news source so that you can ascertain how backroom Linux has became. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1749000/1749441.stm Frank From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 21:04:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA23747 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:04:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA23744 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:04:50 -0500 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31086 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:04:49 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-073.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.73] helo=localhost) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16O86E-0005pb-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:04:18 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16O86D-0000CG-00 for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:04:17 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] (FWD) PHPTR User Groups 2002 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:04:16 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20020108181340.A12416@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20020108181340.A12416@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug You mean this isn't actual spam? :-) I trust you on this. I don't know that I'm interested in their newsletter, but I did go to the site and I'm confused about exactly what I'm signing up for. It seems that there are a bunch of newsletters. OTOH, I am interested in getting "pre-press" materials (pre-publication?) for review. I'd like to do the "reviewer" thing. Can anyone direct me on this? Or give an opinion? Thanks! Russell On Tuesday 08 January 2002 06:13 pm, you wrote: > Amazingly, these guys had the good sense _not_ to send HTML email (the > usual for people like this). If you're interested in Prentice-Hall > discounts or want to receive their newsletter, then this message is for > you. > > Paul > > ----- Forwarded message from UserGroups@prenhall.com ----- > > From: UserGroups@prenhall.com > Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 12:00:17 -0500 > To: UserGroups@prenhall.com > Subject: PHPTR User Groups 2002 > Message-id: > <691974AB8807D21196F200600842F757051175FB@oldtms009.schuster.com> X-Mailer: > Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) > > Dear PHPTR User Group, > > Happy New Year and welcome to the Prentice Hall PTR User Group program! > > 2002 looks to be an exciting year for both our company and the User Group > program, and in that vein we have many different offers and activities for > you to take part in. > > I wanted to take some time to inform you about one of the membership > benefits that you receive now that you are a registered PHPTR User Group. > As a registered User Group all of your members are entitled to books > discounted by up to 50% on our private User Group bookstore site. Simply > go to http://www.phptr.com/user_groups/index.html. The password for your > group is "linux". This private bookstore serves as a great resource center > for all your computing needs. > > If you would like your members to subscribe to our newsletter, please send > their emails to this address and we'll sign you up. We send only one > newsletter per month, designed to keep you on top of the industry. Keep in > mind that we do not sell our list to anyone, so your subscription to it > will be spam-free. > > Prentice Hall PTR is currently looking for reviewers for our 2002 titles. > If you or any member of your group is interested, just write to us at this > address and let us know. We'll be in touch with the candidate as soon as > possible. > > If you have any questions or comments, feel free to let us know at this > email address. We'll do our best to help you out in as timely and accurate > manner as possible. > > Look forward to more emails and more offers from us in the coming months. > > Thank you, > Justin Somma & Jim Keogh > PHPTR User Group program > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 22:39:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA23899 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:39:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA23896 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:39:10 -0500 Received: from tonnant.cnchost.com (tonnant.concentric.net [207.155.248.72]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31337 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:39:09 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by tonnant.cnchost.com id WAA16058; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:38:38 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16O9bK-0005BO-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:40:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:40:26 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] (FWD) PHPTR User Groups 2002 Message-ID: <20020108224026.A19875@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <20020108181340.A12416@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rhires@earthlink.net on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 09:04:16PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 09:04:16PM -0500, Russell Hires wrote: > You mean this isn't actual spam? :-) I trust you on this. What a mistake! ;-} No, I believe we did actually get some books from these guys that went out in raffles, and I do (rarely) get some email from them. Since my name's on everything, you wouldn't believe the spam I get in the name of SLUG. I only pass on things from entities I know, or which seem reasonably non-spammish. (Notice I haven't passed on any penis enlargement, refinance-your-home or find-out-about-anyone emails. ;-) These days, I get all kinds of snail mail in the name of SLUG, wanting SLUG to buy commercial properties, etc. I'm betting the folks at CTS have an additional income source, selling attendee names to companies that sell big ticket items. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 8 23:08:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA23936 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:08:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA23933 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:08:45 -0500 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31407 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:08:44 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-070.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.70] helo=localhost) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16OA2A-0004PJ-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:08:14 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16OA28-0000G6-00 for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:08:12 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] NAT Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:08:12 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Help... I want to use my linux machine as a firewall. I also want to do Network Address Translation (I've got a couple of PC's I want to have access to the internet). I've got DSL, though, which throws a wrench into things. I've got eth1 connected to an ethernet hub, and technically, eth0 is connected to the outside world. But my external assigned internet address is actually on ppp0; eth0 doesn't have an ip address. I've got a 2.4.17 kernel, so I know I'll be using iptables. Can anyone help? Thanks! Russell Hires From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 00:06:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA24011 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:06:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA24008 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:06:23 -0500 Received: from illustrious.cnchost.com (illustrious.concentric.net [207.155.252.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31590 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:06:22 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by illustrious.cnchost.com id AAA00800; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:05:51 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16OAxk-00060r-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:07:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:07:29 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] NAT Message-ID: <20020109000729.A23091@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rhires@earthlink.net on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 11:08:12PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 11:08:12PM -0500, Russell Hires wrote: > Help... > > I want to use my linux machine as a firewall. I also want to do Network > Address Translation (I've got a couple of PC's I want to have access to the > internet). I've got DSL, though, which throws a wrench into things. I've got > eth1 connected to an ethernet hub, and technically, eth0 is connected to the > outside world. But my external assigned internet address is actually on ppp0; > eth0 doesn't have an ip address. I've got a 2.4.17 kernel, so I know I'll be > using iptables. > > Can anyone help? > I have a similar setup, except it's a 486 box with kernel 2.2.X. Why is your IP assigned to ppp0? Why not run dhcp and get your IP from eth0 when the machine comes up (assuming the DSL modem is up and running at the time)? I assume your eth0 is connected to the DSL modem? Paul From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 00:59:37 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA24120 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:59:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA24117 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:59:37 -0500 Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31780 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:59:37 -0500 From: Doumbeck1@aol.com Received: from Doumbeck1@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 4.28.203ccd67 (4461) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:58:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <28.203ccd67.296d3622@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:58:58 EST Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ham Radio Training To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug what city? From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 03:44:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id DAA24433 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 03:44:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA24430 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 03:44:40 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA32432 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 03:44:36 -0500 Received: from there (242857hfc125.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.57.125]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g098i0207681 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 03:44:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201090844.g098i0207681@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Jim To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] games Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 03:39:26 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey! I picked up two linux games at the Best Buy on Dale Mabry last night. Quake 3 and Railroad Tycoon 2. They were $9.99 each, in the same area as the distros. They had two of each (Now, they have one of each) Jim :) From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 07:14:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA24973 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:14:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA24970 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:14:37 -0500 Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA00952 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:14:36 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 12:14:05 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3C3630.13802598@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:23:12 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] wireless for Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does anyone have experance with setting up a wireless connection to Linux? I'm looking at a Netgear WE102 Multimedia Wireless to Ethernet Bridge. But can't find any information if it will work with Linux. Though I would intertain any compatable device that will work with Linux. I would like to attach this to a Linux router. Mike M. -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:38:37 -0500 From: keith.kepner@us.pwcglobal.com Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id IAA18381; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xma017689; Wed, 9 Jan 02 08:34:19 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GPO006F6B3VQM@uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com>; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:35:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 08:38:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] games To: slug@nks.net Cc: slug@lists.nks.net, SLUG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 01/09/2002 08:38:37 AM Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Jim, very curious how Q3 (or any 1st person shoot 'em up) plays on Linux. Being a gamer on Windows, I was never quite satisfied with the game play and maybe never will be. But I'm curious how Q3 plays on Linux. And now that my home PC lost its motherboard, I'm taking the opportunity to upgrade and reload the OS. I'm leaning heavily towards Linux right now. Any thoughts? How about on video production/editing applications on Linux? Any suggestions on motherboard/CPU combinations? Thanks. Jim ay.rr.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: [SLUG] games slug@lists.nks. net 01/09/2002 03:39 AM Please respond to slug Hey! I picked up two linux games at the Best Buy on Dale Mabry last night. Quake 3 and Railroad Tycoon 2. They were $9.99 each, in the same area as the distros. They had two of each (Now, they have one of each) Jim :) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 08:38:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA25166 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:38:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA25160 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:38:37 -0500 Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01313 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:38:37 -0500 From: keith.kepner@us.pwcglobal.com Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id IAA18381; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xma017689; Wed, 9 Jan 02 08:34:19 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GPO006F6B3VQM@uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com>; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:35:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 08:38:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] games To: slug@nks.net Cc: slug@lists.nks.net, SLUG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 01/09/2002 08:38:37 AM Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Jim, very curious how Q3 (or any 1st person shoot 'em up) plays on Linux. Being a gamer on Windows, I was never quite satisfied with the game play and maybe never will be. But I'm curious how Q3 plays on Linux. And now that my home PC lost its motherboard, I'm taking the opportunity to upgrade and reload the OS. I'm leaning heavily towards Linux right now. Any thoughts? How about on video production/editing applications on Linux? Any suggestions on motherboard/CPU combinations? Thanks. Jim ay.rr.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: [SLUG] games slug@lists.nks. net 01/09/2002 03:39 AM Please respond to slug Hey! I picked up two linux games at the Best Buy on Dale Mabry last night. Quake 3 and Railroad Tycoon 2. They were $9.99 each, in the same area as the distros. They had two of each (Now, they have one of each) Jim :) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 08:06:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA25075 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:06:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA25072 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:06:20 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA01124 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:06:20 -0500 Received: (qmail 27985 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2002 13:05:49 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 13:05:49 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:05:47 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] Kyle: Please 'hold' the profanity Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:05:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020108152346.16c4d185.amonk@gnutec.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Kyle, While I acknowledge your right to use language as you see fit in the marketplace, I want to remind you that the issue of profanity on this list has been visited before and soundly defeated. Michael C. Rock From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 08:02:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA25052 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:02:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA25049 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:02:34 -0500 Received: from mail15b.boca15-verio.com (mail15b.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA01097 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:02:33 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 084035934 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:00:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C3C3E4C.2070900@roblimo.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:57:48 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] (FWD) PHPTR User Groups 2002 References: <20020108181340.A12416@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Prentice Hall has never had a big computer book presence, and is trying to create one. They are also getting highly interested in Linux and Open Source; they hired Bruce Perens as a consultant and have been picking my brains a bit. I'm just about done with one manuscript for them (goes to production in two weeks) and we're already discussing a second book. I have no idea how obnoxious their user group marketing may become, but the two boss publishers/marketers there have been calling me with questions about chapter six of "Build Profits Online," which deals with email and chat as promotion tools. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 08:47:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA25189 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:47:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA25186 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:47:18 -0500 Received: from mail15a.boca15-verio.com (mail15a.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA01369 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:47:17 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15a.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 096174345 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:45:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C3C48D2.80903@roblimo.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 08:42:42 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] wireless for Linux References: <3C3C3630.13802598@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Does anyone have experance with setting up a wireless connection to > Linux? > I'm looking at a Netgear WE102 Multimedia Wireless to Ethernet Bridge. > But can't find any information if it will work with Linux. Though I > would intertain any compatable device that > will work with Linux. I would like to attach this to a Linux router. Almost all of the "browser setup" wireless hubs/routers work with Linux just fine. I really need to assign a review/comparison of some of the major low-cost ones to one of our writers, don't I? - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 08:59:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA25209 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:59:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA25206 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:59:50 -0500 Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01431 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:59:50 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-064.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.64] helo=localhost) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16OJG7-0001xB-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 05:59:15 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16OI8W-0000VS-00 for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:47:20 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] NAT Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:46:40 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20020109000729.A23091@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20020109000729.A23091@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Why is your IP assigned to ppp0? I don't know. I have to run PPPoE, and seems that that's just the way that it's done. Here's my ifconfig setup: poet:/home/rusty# ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:05:02:83:0D:84 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:3446 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:3474 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:1052540 (1.0 MiB) TX bytes:234860 (229.3 KiB) Interrupt:42 Base address:0xf000 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:53 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:53 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:5078 (4.9 KiB) TX bytes:5078 (4.9 KiB) ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol inet addr:4.33.36.83 P-t-P:4.33.36.1 Mask:255.255.255.255 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1 RX packets:313 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:285 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 RX bytes:207557 (202.6 KiB) TX bytes:15519 (15.1 KiB) > Why not run dhcp and get your IP from > eth0 when the machine comes up (assuming the DSL modem is up and running > at the time)? I assume your eth0 is connected to the DSL modem? Yes...I think PPPoE is the culprit. I'm afraid to ask earthlink (my isp) for help, since I'm running Linux, and they want to sell their home networking package (surprise).... Russell Hires > > Paul From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 09:13:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA25235 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:13:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA25232 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:13:45 -0500 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01525 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:13:44 -0500 Received: from user-33qtslc.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.242.172] helo=micro.hef) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16OJTe-0001Zd-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 09:13:14 -0500 Received: (qmail 12830 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2002 14:27:01 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO mindspring.com) (133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 14:27:01 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3CEF28.3070208@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 20:32:24 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] wireless for Linux References: <3C3C3630.13802598@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Mike Manchester wrote: >Does anyone have experance with setting up a wireless connection to >Linux? >I'm looking at a Netgear WE102 Multimedia Wireless to Ethernet Bridge. >But can't find any information if it will work with Linux. Though I >would intertain any compatable device that >will work with Linux. I would like to attach this to a Linux router. > >Mike M. > I helped a wireless ISP setup some Aironet devices (802.11) 2 years ago using Linux. We even made some Coyote-based LAN-to-Wireless Masquerading routers to connect remote LANs to the Wireless WAN (or more appropriately, MAN, as it only covered about half of Pinellas County). I also used some BusLink 802.11 pcmcia cards with Linux. They only required insmodding the right modules. It was an easy setup. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 10:21:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA25346 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:21:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA25343 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:21:49 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01746 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:21:49 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g09FNWY05982 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:23:32 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:21:00 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:20:50 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: [SLUG] Changing file permissions on a remote ftp server. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id KAA25344 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi, Does anyone know of a way to change the permissions of a file on a remote ftp server? I currently have a bash shell script that uploads a file to an ftp server but the admin of that server has asked me to set to permissions to 666 for the file. I've tried Ncftpput but it doesn't have any options for automating setting permissions. I tried automating just chmod through the kermit shell (just for setting permissions) but it won't allow the use of wildcards with chmod. Can perl be invoked in one line to connect to an ftp server and chmod a file? Thanks. Brett From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 10:32:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA25366 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:32:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA25363 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:32:07 -0500 Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA01801 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:32:07 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 15:31:36 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3C6482.B254EDCD@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:40:50 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] wireless for Linux References: <3C3C3630.13802598@yahoo.com> <3C3C48D2.80903@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Robin; That would be a good artical. Looking forwared to reading it. But I'm also interested in using a linux based router such as coyote or freesco and an add on wireless that would work with linux. Something like the Netgear WE102, thou I'm not sure it will work with Linux. Mike M. "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" wrote: > > > Does anyone have experance with setting up a wireless connection to > > Linux? > > I'm looking at a Netgear WE102 Multimedia Wireless to Ethernet Bridge. > > But can't find any information if it will work with Linux. Though I > > would intertain any compatable device that > > will work with Linux. I would like to attach this to a Linux router. > > Almost all of the "browser setup" wireless hubs/routers work with Linux > just fine. > > I really need to assign a review/comparison of some of the major > low-cost ones to one of our writers, don't I? > > - Robin -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:36:30 -0500 Received: from lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com ([24.94.153.132]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01826 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:36:30 -0500 Received: from backwatcher.com (labyrinth.sec.gnutec.com [172.16.1.11]) (authenticated) by lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com (MYOB) with ESMTP id g09Ff4An032252 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:41:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:26:37 -0500 From: Kyle Amon To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kyle: Please 'hold' the profanity Message-Id: <20020109102637.2451a7f8.amonk@gnutec.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20020108152346.16c4d185.amonk@gnutec.com> Organization: Kyle Amon, Inc. X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) X-Rant: Free Sklyarov! X-Face: gMIxc}Ww$pq3}oH)YAo:0f1pDx`GbOGz>ZO_|NVo$c1(AS|{pgBL?g0M~,!N&<~kDkK`S@YRK%P<.@bg;TfiKb1=NMGO(SOu%jMeBB-Ma8CcIA,xyE[h\:gX wrote: > Kyle, > > While I acknowledge your right to use language as you see fit in the > marketplace, I want to remind you that the issue of profanity on this > list > has been visited before and soundly defeated. > > Michael C. Rock > -- Kyle Amon (TM) voice: 813-979-1633 email: amonk@gnutec.com Kyle Amon, Inc. fax: 813-977-5843 web: http://gnutec.com/~amonk icq: 46479255 KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 Key fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 This email Copyright 2001 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, 6002 Palm Shadow Way, Suite 1218, Tampa, FL 33647: (813) 979-1311 amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk. All rights Reserved. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 10:36:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA25385 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:36:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA25382 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:36:40 -0500 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA01834 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:36:39 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 15:36:08 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3C6593.469456C6@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:45:23 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] wireless for Linux References: <3C3C3630.13802598@yahoo.com> <3C3CEF28.3070208@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thaks Ronan, do you know if Coyote will support passing IPSec. That's what started this whole router thing :) My company requires IPSec to connect to the corp network and I can't get my freesco Linux router to pass IPSec. So I figured since I may need to replace the router why not go wireless, like Linksys. Then I thought maybe there is away to connect a wireless transmiiter to my linux router and save some money, as I can get a Netgear on Ebay for < $100. Now I'm trying to figure out if it's really worth the effort of setting up my linux router with wireless or just go with the Linksys router even though the cost maybe a little more. And I thougt this would be easy :O) Mike M Ronan Heffernan wrote: > > Mike Manchester wrote: > > >Does anyone have experance with setting up a wireless connection to > >Linux? > >I'm looking at a Netgear WE102 Multimedia Wireless to Ethernet Bridge. > >But can't find any information if it will work with Linux. Though I > >would intertain any compatable device that > >will work with Linux. I would like to attach this to a Linux router. > > > >Mike M. > > > I helped a wireless ISP setup some Aironet devices (802.11) 2 years ago > using Linux. We even made some Coyote-based LAN-to-Wireless > Masquerading routers to connect remote LANs to the Wireless WAN (or more > appropriately, MAN, as it only covered about half of Pinellas County). > I also used some BusLink 802.11 pcmcia cards with Linux. They only > required insmodding the right modules. It was an easy setup. > > --ronan -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:55:15 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (242829hfc118.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.29.118]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01893 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:55:15 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (localhost.mat [127.0.0.1]) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g09FshQx001503 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:54:43 -0500 Received: (from billt@localhost) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g09Fshst001501 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:54:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:54:43 -0500 From: Bill Triplett To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] NAT Message-ID: <20020109155443.GA1448@fourier.mat> References: <20020109000729.A23091@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 07:46:40AM -0500, Russell Hires wrote: > > Why is your IP assigned to ppp0? > > I don't know. I have to run PPPoE, and seems that that's just the way that > it's done. Here's my ifconfig setup: > poet:/home/rusty# ifconfig > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:05:02:83:0D:84 > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:3446 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:3474 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 > RX bytes:1052540 (1.0 MiB) TX bytes:234860 (229.3 KiB) > Interrupt:42 Base address:0xf000 > > lo Link encap:Local Loopback > inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 > UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > RX packets:53 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:53 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 > RX bytes:5078 (4.9 KiB) TX bytes:5078 (4.9 KiB) > > ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol > inet addr:4.33.36.83 P-t-P:4.33.36.1 Mask:255.255.255.255 > UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1 > RX packets:313 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:285 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 > RX bytes:207557 (202.6 KiB) TX bytes:15519 (15.1 KiB) > > > > Why not run dhcp and get your IP from > > eth0 when the machine comes up (assuming the DSL modem is up and running > > at the time)? I assume your eth0 is connected to the DSL modem? > Yes...I think PPPoE is the culprit. I'm afraid to ask earthlink (my isp) for > help, since I'm running Linux, and they want to sell their home networking > package (surprise).... Should work. If you've already tried it and failed, what setup were you trying? This might be of help: http://netfilter.samba.org/unreliable-guides/NAT-HOWTO/NAT-HOWTO.linuxdoc-4.html#ss4.1 good luck... From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 10:22:48 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA25351 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:22:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA25348 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:22:48 -0500 Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp1.ij.net [207.100.203.149]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA01753 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:22:48 -0500 Received: (qmail 59033 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2002 15:23:54 -0000 Received: from adsl-87-201.adsl.ij.net (HELO ij.net) (209.216.87.201) by smtp1-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 15:23:54 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3C6017.7030102@ij.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:21:59 -0500 From: Scott Piper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20011229 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] NAT References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Russell, I don't use pppoe, but here's a page that Google produced which may help you. http://kitsumi.xware.cx/tech/adsl-2.4.html scott Russell Hires wrote: >Help... > >I want to use my linux machine as a firewall. I also want to do Network >Address Translation (I've got a couple of PC's I want to have access to the >internet). I've got DSL, though, which throws a wrench into things. I've got >eth1 connected to an ethernet hub, and technically, eth0 is connected to the >outside world. But my external assigned internet address is actually on ppp0; >eth0 doesn't have an ip address. I've got a 2.4.17 kernel, so I know I'll be >using iptables. > >Can anyone help? > >Thanks! > >Russell Hires > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 11:28:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA25477 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:28:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25474 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:28:06 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (242829hfc118.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.29.118]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02049 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:28:05 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (localhost.mat [127.0.0.1]) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g09GRYQx001717 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:27:34 -0500 Received: (from billt@localhost) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g09GRY9J001715 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:27:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:27:34 -0500 From: Bill Triplett To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Changing file permissions on a remote ftp server. Message-ID: <20020109162734.GA1574@fourier.mat> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 10:20:50AM -0500, Brett Simpson wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone know of a way to change the permissions of a file on a > remote ftp server? I currently have a bash shell script that uploads > a file to an ftp server but the admin of that server has asked me to > set to permissions to 666 for the file. I've tried Ncftpput but it > doesn't have any options for automating setting permissions. I tried > automating just chmod through the kermit shell (just for setting > permissions) but it won't allow the use of wildcards with chmod. Can > perl be invoked in one line to connect to an ftp server and chmod a > file? ncftpput -U will set the umask for the session. IIRC, 0111 will yield permissions of 0666. Good Luck... From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 11:33:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA25483 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:33:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25480 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:33:46 -0500 Received: from lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com ([24.94.153.132]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02070 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:33:45 -0500 Received: from backwatcher.com (labyrinth.sec.gnutec.com [172.16.1.11]) (authenticated) by lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com (MYOB) with ESMTP id g09GcGAn016053 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:38:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:23:48 -0500 From: Kyle Amon To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Changing file permissions on a remote ftp server. Message-Id: <20020109112348.780220ce.amonk@gnutec.com> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Kyle Amon, Inc. X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) X-Rant: Free Sklyarov! X-Face: gMIxc}Ww$pq3}oH)YAo:0f1pDx`GbOGz>ZO_|NVo$c1(AS|{pgBL?g0M~,!N&<~kDkK`S@YRK%P<.@bg;TfiKb1=NMGO(SOu%jMeBB-Ma8CcIA,xyE[h\:gX wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know of a way to change the permissions of a file on a > remote ftp server? I currently have a bash shell script that uploads a > file to an ftp server but the admin of that server has asked me to set > to permissions to 666 for the file. I've tried Ncftpput but it doesn't > have any options for automating setting permissions. I tried automating > just chmod through the kermit shell (just for setting permissions) but > it won't allow the use of wildcards with chmod. Can perl be invoked in > one line to connect to an ftp server and chmod a file? Thanks. > > Brett > -- Kyle Amon (TM) voice: 813-979-1633 email: amonk@gnutec.com Kyle Amon, Inc. fax: 813-977-5843 web: http://gnutec.com/~amonk icq: 46479255 KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 Key fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 This email Copyright 2001 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, 6002 Palm Shadow Way, Suite 1218, Tampa, FL 33647: (813) 979-1311 amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk. All rights Reserved. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 11:35:44 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA25502 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:35:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25499 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:35:44 -0500 Received: from lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com ([24.94.153.132]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02082 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:35:43 -0500 Received: from backwatcher.com (labyrinth.sec.gnutec.com [172.16.1.11]) (authenticated) by lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com (MYOB) with ESMTP id g09GeIAn007282 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:40:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:25:51 -0500 From: Kyle Amon To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Changing file permissions on a remote ftp server. Message-Id: <20020109112551.71e80eb0.amonk@gnutec.com> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Kyle Amon, Inc. X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) X-Rant: Free Sklyarov! X-Face: gMIxc}Ww$pq3}oH)YAo:0f1pDx`GbOGz>ZO_|NVo$c1(AS|{pgBL?g0M~,!N&<~kDkK`S@YRK%P<.@bg;TfiKb1=NMGO(SOu%jMeBB-Ma8CcIA,xyE[h\:gX wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know of a way to change the permissions of a file on a > remote ftp server? I currently have a bash shell script that uploads a > file to an ftp server but the admin of that server has asked me to set > to permissions to 666 for the file. I've tried Ncftpput but it doesn't > have any options for automating setting permissions. I tried automating > just chmod through the kermit shell (just for setting permissions) but > it won't allow the use of wildcards with chmod. Can perl be invoked in > one line to connect to an ftp server and chmod a file? Thanks. > > Brett > -- Kyle Amon (TM) voice: 813-979-1633 email: amonk@gnutec.com Kyle Amon, Inc. fax: 813-977-5843 web: http://gnutec.com/~amonk icq: 46479255 KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 Key fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 This email Copyright 2001 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, 6002 Palm Shadow Way, Suite 1218, Tampa, FL 33647: (813) 979-1311 amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk. All rights Reserved. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 12:39:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA25628 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:39:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA25625 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:39:14 -0500 Received: from webmasters.com (64.90.181.66.nyinternet.net [64.90.181.66]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA02426 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:39:13 -0500 Received: (qmail 6256 invoked by uid 48); 9 Jan 2002 17:34:36 -0000 Date: 9 Jan 2002 17:34:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20020109173436.6255.qmail@webmasters.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: Re: [SLUG] Kyle: Please \'hold\' the profanity From: awyatt@bbsgamers.com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: 4Mail by WEBMASTERS.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=ba45f29f99bd13785669bdcad0a45f3ea Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is a MIME encoded message. --ba45f29f99bd13785669bdcad0a45f3ea Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, when your kids cuss, you just attribute it to your belief that "a word is a word" correct? Even though it has been ruled that the internet can not be censored, this it not "the internet" it is a moderated discussion group that I'm sure includes children. It does not fall under any supreme court ruling because you agreed to the possibility of being censored when you joined the list. I myself believe that "a word is just a word" but I also know right from wrong, and realize that it's not proper to cuss here. I ask that you refrain from cussing here as well. Andrew You Wrote: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:26:37 -0500 From: Kyle Amon To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kyle: Please 'hold' the profanity Michael, While I acknowledge your right to object to any language you see fit, a word is a word and valuative distinctions regarding words are based on pure sentiment. It is not my intention to insult anyone, however lack of understanding this fact is based on pure linguistic ignorance. And I want to remind you that the issue of outlawing "profanity" on the internet has been visited before by the US Congress and soundly defeated by the US Supreme Court. :-) Regards, -- Kyle P.S. And as long as we are so concerned with etiquette, this issue should have been covered via private email rather than on this mailing list. :-) On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:05:41 -0500 "Mikes work account" wrote: > Kyle, > > While I acknowledge your right to use language as you see fit in the > marketplace, I want to remind you that the issue of profanity on this > list > has been visited before and soundly defeated. > > Michael C. Rock > -- Kyle Amon (TM) voice: 813-979-1633 email: amonk@gnutec.com Kyle Amon, Inc. fax: 813-977-5843 web: http://gnutec.com/~amonk icq: 46479255 KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 Key fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 This email Copyright 2001 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, 6002 Palm Shadow Way, Suite 1218, Tampa, FL 33647: (813) 979-1311 amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk. All rights Reserved. --ba45f29f99bd13785669bdcad0a45f3ea-- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 13:08:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA25687 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:08:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA25684 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:08:53 -0500 Received: from acasun.eckerd.edu (acasun.eckerd.edu [198.187.211.2]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02569 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:08:52 -0500 Received: from dell (dhcp-151-156.eckerd.edu [206.240.151.156]) by acasun.eckerd.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g09I4Rt22639 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:04:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Ted Fletcher" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] games Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:08:29 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c19938$a4839670$9c97f0ce@dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2605 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug As God Knows.......this would be my area of expertise While from personal experience.....i have found that the best platform for gaming (fps rates) has been Windows 98 when compared to everything I've seen quake ported to. (Various distros of Linux, Sun, Mac, Win2K, WinXP,..etc.) However, I have found the Linux platform to interact with my video card & chipset (NVIDIA TNT2) much better then the newer distros of Windows. If you love those 1st person shooters and the strategy games........then Linux is the way to go. If you're like me and are a big sports nut....keep a win98 partition for optimal gaming performance. For finding some good quality demos....check out http://www.lokigames.com/ the specialize in porting windows games to the linux platform to utilize the better hardware interaction. (and open source) keep in mind that they filed for chapter 11 over the summer (chapter 11 != bankrupt) Ted -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 1.0 GED/J d-- s+:+ a-- C++(++++) ULSU++ P+ L++ E- W+++ N+++ o+ K+ w--- O+ M+ V-- PS+ PE Y++ PGP+++ t- 5- X++ R-$ tv++ b++ DI+++ D+++ G+++ e++(*) h* r++ y++** ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of keith.kepner@us.pwcglobal.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:38 AM To: slug@nks.net Cc: slug@lists.nks.net; SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] games Jim, very curious how Q3 (or any 1st person shoot 'em up) plays on Linux. Being a gamer on Windows, I was never quite satisfied with the game play and maybe never will be. But I'm curious how Q3 plays on Linux. And now that my home PC lost its motherboard, I'm taking the opportunity to upgrade and reload the OS. I'm leaning heavily towards Linux right now. Any thoughts? How about on video production/editing applications on Linux? Any suggestions on motherboard/CPU combinations? Thanks. Jim ay.rr.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: [SLUG] games slug@lists.nks. net 01/09/2002 03:39 AM Please respond to slug Hey! I picked up two linux games at the Best Buy on Dale Mabry last night. Quake 3 and Railroad Tycoon 2. They were $9.99 each, in the same area as the distros. They had two of each (Now, they have one of each) Jim :) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 13:31:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA25724 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:31:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA25721 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:31:19 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02691 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:31:18 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA12411 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:30:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] NAT From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 09 Jan 2002 13:30:46 -0500 Message-Id: <1010601047.18157.6.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-01-08 at 23:08, Russell Hires wrote: > Help... > > I want to use my linux machine as a firewall. I also want to do Network > Address Translation (I've got a couple of PC's I want to have access to the > internet). I've got DSL, though, which throws a wrench into things. I've got > eth1 connected to an ethernet hub, and technically, eth0 is connected to the > outside world. But my external assigned internet address is actually on ppp0; > eth0 doesn't have an ip address. I've got a 2.4.17 kernel, so I know I'll be > using iptables. > > Can anyone help? Err, what are you trying to do exactly? You can pretty much do what you would do if you had "eth0" and "eth1" except replace the appropriate one with "ppp0". Where are you having problems? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 13:43:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA25741 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:43:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA25738 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:43:09 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02724 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:43:08 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA12488 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:42:38 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] Firewall presentation From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 09 Jan 2002 13:42:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1010601758.18157.8.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Did I already do this? I'm having the strangest sense of Deja Vu. I've finally (or again...) uploaded the presentation I did a few months ago on Linux firewalls. You can find it here: http://www.illusionary.com/~dglidden/linux-fw/ Enjoy. (again?) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 13:46:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA25753 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:46:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA25750 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:46:29 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02737 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:46:28 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g09ImLY19923 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:48:21 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 13:45:49 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 13:45:43 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Changing file permissions on a remote ftp server. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id NAA25751 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks a bunch. That's worked great since I was already using ncftpput to place the files on the remote ftp server. Brett >>> btt@nethouse.com 01/09/02 11:27AM >>> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 10:20:50AM -0500, Brett Simpson wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone know of a way to change the permissions of a file on a > remote ftp server? I currently have a bash shell script that uploads > a file to an ftp server but the admin of that server has asked me to > set to permissions to 666 for the file. I've tried Ncftpput but it > doesn't have any options for automating setting permissions. I tried > automating just chmod through the kermit shell (just for setting > permissions) but it won't allow the use of wildcards with chmod. Can > perl be invoked in one line to connect to an ftp server and chmod a > file? ncftpput -U will set the umask for the session. IIRC, 0111 will yield permissions of 0666. Good Luck... From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 14:40:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA25881 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:40:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA25878 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:40:06 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03008 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:40:05 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA12994 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:39:34 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] SPAM prevention From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20020108224026.A19875@quillandmouse.com> References: <20020108181340.A12416@quillandmouse.com> <20020108224026.A19875@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 09 Jan 2002 14:39:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1010605174.18521.0.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-01-08 at 22:40, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 09:04:16PM -0500, Russell Hires wrote: > > > You mean this isn't actual spam? :-) I trust you on this. > > What a mistake! ;-} > > No, I believe we did actually get some books from these guys that went > out in raffles, and I do (rarely) get some email from them. > > Since my name's on everything, you wouldn't believe the spam I get in > the name of SLUG. I only pass on things from entities I know, or which This seems like an ideal time to mention two Anti-SPAM projects I've been tracking recently: Vipul's Razor: http://razor.sourceforge.net/ and Junkfilter: http://junkfilter.zer0.org/ They are both run through Procmail, so you will need to have some kind of access to your mail server to use them, and of course your mail server must be a machine capable of running Procmail. (You should be able to use either of them in conjunction with something like "fetchmail" I think.) Junkfilter is a mother of all procmail rules that scores a given email based on about a bazillion things like keywords, known SPAM-harboring domains, etc. If an email's score passes a certain threshhold, it's considered SPAM and you can do what you want with it. It's nice because it's all one self-contained ruleset, but is difficult to upgrade without downloading a new set of rules and replacing your existing installation. It's about 95% effective, although that figure goes down a bit the longer between updates of the rulsets, and occasionally gets false-positives. (about 0.5% max false positives in my experience.) Also, because the ruleset is so large, it may affect mail processing time on extremely heavily-loaded servers. Vipul's Razor is works by comparing "fingerprints" of known SPAM messages and is "distributed" in the sense of, if you receive a SPAM that did not get filtered, you can forward it to a processor that will generate an appropriate fingerprint and now everybody who uses Vipul will know that that particular message should be considered SPAM. You should *never* get false positives, but occasional un-fingerprinted SPAM may get through. However, you will need network connectivity to use it, and your email delivery may operate slower because each email requires a connection to a processing server - although it appears you *may* be able to run your own processing server local to your email server. The more people who use Vipul's Razor, the better it gets. (I'm not sure how it would go about handling false positives. I suspect a certain number of people must submit an email as SPAM before it gets accepted. In any case, YOU decide what to do with positive matches - I file them away in a "SPAM" folder and periodically clean the SPAM out of it and copy any false positives back into my mailbox.) I personally use Junkfilter, just because I haven't bothered to set up Vipul on my mail server yet. I'll probably migrate over to that one eventually. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 15:14:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA25981 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:14:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA25978 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:14:40 -0500 Received: from lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com ([24.94.153.132]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03246 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:14:40 -0500 Received: from backwatcher.com (labyrinth.sec.gnutec.com [172.16.1.11]) (authenticated) by lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com (MYOB) with ESMTP id g09KJCAn007345 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:19:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:04:42 -0500 From: Kyle Amon To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kyle: Please \'hold\' the profanity Message-Id: <20020109150442.17f42f20.amonk@gnutec.com> In-Reply-To: <20020109173436.6255.qmail@webmasters.com> References: <20020109173436.6255.qmail@webmasters.com> Organization: Kyle Amon, Inc. X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) X-Rant: Free Sklyarov! X-Face: gMIxc}Ww$pq3}oH)YAo:0f1pDx`GbOGz>ZO_|NVo$c1(AS|{pgBL?g0M~,!N&<~kDkK`S@YRK%P<.@bg;TfiKb1=NMGO(SOu%jMeBB-Ma8CcIA,xyE[h\:gX So, when your kids cuss, you just attribute it to your belief that "a > word is a word" correct? Correct. > Even though it has been ruled that the internet can not be censored, > this it not "the internet" it is a moderated discussion group that I'm > sure includes children. It does not fall under any supreme court ruling > because you agreed to the possibility of being censored when you joined > the list. I myself believe that "a word is just a word" but I also know > right from wrong, and realize that it's not proper to cuss here. I ask > that you refrain from cussing here as well. This list (microcosm) is part of "the internet" (macrocosm). Nothing more. Nothing less. And the moderator obviously did not have too big a problem with my use of English or we would not be discussing this rediculous, purile issue, would we? As a matter of fact, I agreed to exactly nothing with regard to this list, as I'm sure did you. The possibility of being censored from this list is inherent in it's nature, however, and I am thus aware that anyone or anything may be censored from it. If I end up censored here, it is not the kind of list I'd like to participate in anyway, and I'd rather find this out sooner than later. I guess I'm just not smart enough to "know right from wrong" then. But I'm glad that you are. It must be very comforting to you. Furthermore, free speech does not fall under any supreme court rulling. Supreme court rulings fall under it. Your request has been noted. And I ask that you not request that I speak as you see fit. Best Regards, -- Kyle > Andrew > > > You Wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:26:37 -0500 > > From: Kyle Amon > > To: slug@nks.net > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kyle: Please 'hold' the profanity > > > Michael, > > > While I acknowledge your right to object to any language you see fit, > > a word is a word and valuative distinctions regarding words are based > > on pure sentiment. It is not my intention to insult anyone, however > > lack of understanding this fact is based on pure linguistic ignorance. > > And I want to remind you that the issue of outlawing "profanity" on > > the internet has been visited before by the US Congress and soundly > > defeated by the US Supreme Court. :-) > > > Regards, > > > -- Kyle > > > P.S. And as long as we are so concerned with etiquette, this issue > > should have been covered via private email rather than on this > > mailing list. :-) > > > On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:05:41 -0500 > > "Mikes work account" wrote: > > > > Kyle, > > > > > > While I acknowledge your right to use language as you see fit in the > > > marketplace, I want to remind you that the issue of profanity on this > > > list > > > has been visited before and soundly defeated. > > > > > > Michael C. Rock > > > > > > > -- > > Kyle Amon (TM) voice: 813-979-1633 email: amonk@gnutec.com > > Kyle Amon, Inc. fax: 813-977-5843 web: http://gnutec.com/~amonk > > icq: 46479255 > > KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 > > Key fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 > > > "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are > > better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making > > use of one's contributions to computer science." > > > -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 > > > This email Copyright 2001 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, > > 6002 Palm Shadow Way, Suite 1218, Tampa, FL 33647: (813) 979-1311 > > amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk. All rights Reserved. > > > -- Kyle Amon (TM) voice: 813-979-1633 email: amonk@gnutec.com Kyle Amon, Inc. fax: 813-977-5843 web: http://gnutec.com/~amonk icq: 46479255 KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 Key fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 This email Copyright 2001 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, 6002 Palm Shadow Way, Suite 1218, Tampa, FL 33647: (813) 979-1311 amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk. All rights Reserved. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 15:51:44 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA26023 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:51:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA26020 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:51:44 -0500 Received: from lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com ([24.94.153.132]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03421 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:51:43 -0500 Received: from backwatcher.com (labyrinth.sec.gnutec.com [172.16.1.11]) (authenticated) by lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com (MYOB) with ESMTP id g09KuIAn016626 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:56:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:41:48 -0500 From: Kyle Amon To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM prevention Message-Id: <20020109154148.31a60087.amonk@gnutec.com> In-Reply-To: <1010605174.18521.0.camel@two> References: <20020108181340.A12416@quillandmouse.com> <20020108224026.A19875@quillandmouse.com> <1010605174.18521.0.camel@two> Organization: Kyle Amon, Inc. X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) X-Rant: Free Sklyarov! X-Face: gMIxc}Ww$pq3}oH)YAo:0f1pDx`GbOGz>ZO_|NVo$c1(AS|{pgBL?g0M~,!N&<~kDkK`S@YRK%P<.@bg;TfiKb1=NMGO(SOu%jMeBB-Ma8CcIA,xyE[h\:gX In any case, YOU decide what to do with positive matches - I file them > away in a "SPAM" folder and periodically clean the SPAM out of it and > copy any false positives back into my mailbox.) Anyone interested in an "smart" spam folder to use with Vipul's Razor, may want to check out http://pdipa.gnutec.com/ and particularly the ucbipd.pl link at the bottom to the program that manages it. I think it is a riot, but then my sentiments seem to be not all that popular. :-) Judge for yourself though. And if anyone wants to help add new features, fix bugs, etc. let me know. I have limited time for such things, but do them anyway cuz they're kind of fun. :-) -- Kyle -- Kyle Amon (TM) voice: 813-979-1633 email: amonk@gnutec.com Kyle Amon, Inc. fax: 813-977-5843 web: http://gnutec.com/~amonk icq: 46479255 KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 Key fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 This email Copyright 2001 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, 6002 Palm Shadow Way, Suite 1218, Tampa, FL 33647: (813) 979-1311 amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk. All rights Reserved. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 16:37:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA26102 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:37:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA26099 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:37:09 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03644 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:37:08 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ua194656 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:39:03 -0500 Message-ID: <010301c19956$2a8d8740$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <20020109173436.6255.qmail@webmasters.com> <20020109150442.17f42f20.amonk@gnutec.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kyle: Please \'hold\' the profanity Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:39:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug PLEASE take this and your cussing offlist. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Amon" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kyle: Please \'hold\' the profanity > > So, when your kids cuss, you just attribute it to your belief that "a > > word is a word" correct? > > Correct. > > > Even though it has been ruled that the internet can not be censored, > > this it not "the internet" it is a moderated discussion group that I'm > > sure includes children. It does not fall under any supreme court ruling > > because you agreed to the possibility of being censored when you joined > > the list. I myself believe that "a word is just a word" but I also know > > right from wrong, and realize that it's not proper to cuss here. I ask > > that you refrain from cussing here as well. > > This list (microcosm) is part of "the internet" (macrocosm). Nothing > more. Nothing less. And the moderator obviously did not have too big > a problem with my use of English or we would not be discussing this > rediculous, purile issue, would we? > > As a matter of fact, I agreed to exactly nothing with regard to this > list, as I'm sure did you. The possibility of being censored from this > list is inherent in it's nature, however, and I am thus aware that > anyone or anything may be censored from it. If I end up censored here, > it is not the kind of list I'd like to participate in anyway, and I'd > rather find this out sooner than later. > > I guess I'm just not smart enough to "know right from wrong" then. > But I'm glad that you are. It must be very comforting to you. > > Furthermore, free speech does not fall under any supreme court rulling. > Supreme court rulings fall under it. > > Your request has been noted. And I ask that you not request that I > speak as you see fit. > > Best Regards, > > -- Kyle > > > Andrew > > > > > > You Wrote: > > > > > > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:26:37 -0500 > > > > From: Kyle Amon > > > > To: slug@nks.net > > > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kyle: Please 'hold' the profanity > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > While I acknowledge your right to object to any language you see fit, > > > > a word is a word and valuative distinctions regarding words are based > > > > on pure sentiment. It is not my intention to insult anyone, however > > > > lack of understanding this fact is based on pure linguistic ignorance. > > > > And I want to remind you that the issue of outlawing "profanity" on > > > > the internet has been visited before by the US Congress and soundly > > > > defeated by the US Supreme Court. :-) > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > -- Kyle > > > > > > P.S. And as long as we are so concerned with etiquette, this issue > > > > should have been covered via private email rather than on this > > > > mailing list. :-) > > > > > > On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:05:41 -0500 > > > > "Mikes work account" wrote: > > > > > > > Kyle, > > > > > > > > > > While I acknowledge your right to use language as you see fit in the > > > > > marketplace, I want to remind you that the issue of profanity on this > > > > > list > > > > > has been visited before and soundly defeated. > > > > > > > > > > Michael C. Rock > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Kyle Amon (TM) voice: 813-979-1633 email: amonk@gnutec.com > > > > Kyle Amon, Inc. fax: 813-977-5843 web: http://gnutec.com/~amonk > > > > icq: 46479255 > > > > KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 > > > > Key fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 > > > > > > "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are > > > > better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making > > > > use of one's contributions to computer science." > > > > > > -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 > > > > > > This email Copyright 2001 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, > > > > 6002 Palm Shadow Way, Suite 1218, Tampa, FL 33647: (813) 979-1311 > > > > amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk. All rights Reserved. > > > > > > > > > -- > Kyle Amon (TM) voice: 813-979-1633 email: amonk@gnutec.com > Kyle Amon, Inc. fax: 813-977-5843 web: http://gnutec.com/~amonk > icq: 46479255 > KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 > Key fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 > > "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are > better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making > use of one's contributions to computer science." > > -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 > > This email Copyright 2001 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, > 6002 Palm Shadow Way, Suite 1218, Tampa, FL 33647: (813) 979-1311 > amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk. All rights Reserved. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 16:48:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA26119 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:48:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA26116 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:48:25 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03688 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:48:24 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA14336 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:47:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kyle: Please \'hold\' the profanity From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20020109150442.17f42f20.amonk@gnutec.com> References: <20020109173436.6255.qmail@webmasters.com> <20020109150442.17f42f20.amonk@gnutec.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 09 Jan 2002 16:47:53 -0500 Message-Id: <1010612874.18521.10.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 2002-01-09 at 15:04, Kyle Amon wrote: > This list (microcosm) is part of "the internet" (macrocosm). Nothing > more. Nothing less. And the moderator obviously did not have too big > a problem with my use of English or we would not be discussing this > rediculous, purile issue, would we? > > As a matter of fact, I agreed to exactly nothing with regard to this > list, as I'm sure did you. The possibility of being censored from this > list is inherent in it's nature, however, and I am thus aware that > anyone or anything may be censored from it. If I end up censored here, > it is not the kind of list I'd like to participate in anyway, and I'd > rather find this out sooner than later. > > I guess I'm just not smart enough to "know right from wrong" then. > But I'm glad that you are. It must be very comforting to you. > > Furthermore, free speech does not fall under any supreme court rulling. > Supreme court rulings fall under it. > > Your request has been noted. And I ask that you not request that I > speak as you see fit. You know what, I've been avoiding this thread because you've been posting by-and-large interesting messages, and frankly I didn't care, but I'm finding your "sea-lawyer" attitude extremely annoying. You are taking part in a community. If you don't like the way this community operates, leave. Don't play some dumb game of "The supreme court says its ok for me to behave the way *I* want to behave around you, even if you don't agree." In fact, the supreme court has said nothing about behaviour on mailing lists and you know it. In fact, the supreme court has said nothing about whether or not I can punch you in the nose for no reason, but as we all know, I *can* be heald liable for it, and it's rude to boot. You're being annoyingly pedantic and rude in your general disregard to the intelligence and attitude of everyone else on this list, and I find that more offensive than any language you may or may not have used on this list. Please cut it out or go away. (If the thread continues in the traditional way, your next step is to bring up Hitler, at which point you automatically lose.) So instead: EOT -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 18:14:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA26364 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:14:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA26361 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:14:34 -0500 Received: from lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com ([24.94.153.132]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04120 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:14:33 -0500 Received: from backwatcher.com (labyrinth.sec.gnutec.com [172.16.1.11]) (authenticated) by lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com (MYOB) with ESMTP id g09NJBAn030955 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:19:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:04:39 -0500 From: Kyle Amon To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kyle: Please \'hold\' the profanity Message-Id: <20020109180439.0ca31437.amonk@gnutec.com> In-Reply-To: <1010612874.18521.10.camel@two> References: <20020109173436.6255.qmail@webmasters.com> <20020109150442.17f42f20.amonk@gnutec.com> <1010612874.18521.10.camel@two> Organization: Kyle Amon, Inc. X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) X-Rant: Free Sklyarov! X-Face: gMIxc}Ww$pq3}oH)YAo:0f1pDx`GbOGz>ZO_|NVo$c1(AS|{pgBL?g0M~,!N&<~kDkK`S@YRK%P<.@bg;TfiKb1=NMGO(SOu%jMeBB-Ma8CcIA,xyE[h\:gX wrote: > On Wed, 2002-01-09 at 15:04, Kyle Amon wrote: > > > This list (microcosm) is part of "the internet" (macrocosm). Nothing > > more. Nothing less. And the moderator obviously did not have too big > > a problem with my use of English or we would not be discussing this > > rediculous, purile issue, would we? > > > > As a matter of fact, I agreed to exactly nothing with regard to this > > list, as I'm sure did you. The possibility of being censored from > this > > list is inherent in it's nature, however, and I am thus aware that > > anyone or anything may be censored from it. If I end up censored > here, > > it is not the kind of list I'd like to participate in anyway, and I'd > > rather find this out sooner than later. > > > > I guess I'm just not smart enough to "know right from wrong" then. > > But I'm glad that you are. It must be very comforting to you. > > > > Furthermore, free speech does not fall under any supreme court > rulling. > > Supreme court rulings fall under it. > > > > Your request has been noted. And I ask that you not request that I > > speak as you see fit. > > You know what, I've been avoiding this thread because you've been > posting by-and-large interesting messages, and frankly I didn't care, > but I'm finding your "sea-lawyer" attitude extremely annoying. > > You are taking part in a community. If you don't like the way this > community operates, leave. Don't play some dumb game of "The supreme > court says its ok for me to behave the way *I* want to behave around > you, even if you don't agree." In fact, the supreme court has said > nothing about behaviour on mailing lists and you know it. In fact, the > supreme court has said nothing about whether or not I can punch you in > the nose for no reason, but as we all know, I *can* be heald liable for > it, and it's rude to boot. You're being annoyingly pedantic and rude in > your general disregard to the intelligence and attitude of everyone else > on this list, and I find that more offensive than any language you may > or may not have used on this list. Please cut it out or go away. > > (If the thread continues in the traditional way, your next step is to > bring up Hitler, at which point you automatically lose.) > > So instead: > > EOT > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ > http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ > -- Kyle Amon (TM) voice: 813-979-1633 email: amonk@gnutec.com Kyle Amon, Inc. fax: 813-977-5843 web: http://gnutec.com/~amonk icq: 46479255 KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 Key fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 This email Copyright 2001 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, 6002 Palm Shadow Way, Suite 1218, Tampa, FL 33647: (813) 979-1311 amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk. All rights Reserved. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 18:22:42 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA26379 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:22:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA26376 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:22:42 -0500 Received: from femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.31]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04155 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:22:41 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020109232210.PKGU25077.femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:22:10 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kyle: Please 'hold' the profanity Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:20:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20020108152346.16c4d185.amonk@gnutec.com> <20020109102637.2451a7f8.amonk@gnutec.com> In-Reply-To: <20020109102637.2451a7f8.amonk@gnutec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02010918205106.18502@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wednesday 09 January 2002 10:26, you wrote: > Michael, > > While I acknowledge your right to object to any language you see > fit, a word is a word and valuative distinctions regarding words > are based on pure sentiment. It is not my intention to insult > anyone, however lack of understanding this fact is based on pure > linguistic ignorance. And I want to remind you that the issue of > outlawing "profanity" on the internet has been visited before by > the US Congress and soundly defeated by the US Supreme Court. :-) > > Regards, > > -- Kyle That was a verbally sophisitcated but not very amusing way to tell Michael to blow it out his ear. The ignorance ... of civilized behavior ... is yours. You have just been kill-filed. PLONK Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1240988 304364 0 151952 784828 Swap: 401584 1804 399780 Total: 1946936 1242792 704144 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 5:59pm up 20 days, 16:02, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.05 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 18:07:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA26329 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:07:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA26326 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:07:03 -0500 Received: from lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com ([24.94.153.132]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04086 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:07:02 -0500 Received: from backwatcher.com (labyrinth.sec.gnutec.com [172.16.1.11]) (authenticated) by lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com (MYOB) with ESMTP id g09NBdAn007361 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:11:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:57:07 -0500 From: Kyle Amon To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kyle: Please \'hold\' the profanity Message-Id: <20020109175707.2c0c578f.amonk@gnutec.com> In-Reply-To: <010301c19956$2a8d8740$4401a8c0@patrick> References: <20020109173436.6255.qmail@webmasters.com> <20020109150442.17f42f20.amonk@gnutec.com> <010301c19956$2a8d8740$4401a8c0@patrick> Organization: Kyle Amon, Inc. X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) X-Rant: Free Sklyarov! X-Face: gMIxc}Ww$pq3}oH)YAo:0f1pDx`GbOGz>ZO_|NVo$c1(AS|{pgBL?g0M~,!N&<~kDkK`S@YRK%P<.@bg;TfiKb1=NMGO(SOu%jMeBB-Ma8CcIA,xyE[h\:gX wrote: > PLEASE take this and your cussing offlist. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kyle Amon" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 3:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kyle: Please \'hold\' the profanity > > > > > So, when your kids cuss, you just attribute it to your belief that > "a > > > word is a word" correct? > > > > Correct. > > > > > Even though it has been ruled that the internet can not be censored, > > > this it not "the internet" it is a moderated discussion group that > I'm > > > sure includes children. It does not fall under any supreme court > ruling > > > because you agreed to the possibility of being censored when you > joined > > > the list. I myself believe that "a word is just a word" but I also > know > > > right from wrong, and realize that it's not proper to cuss here. I > ask > > > that you refrain from cussing here as well. > > > > This list (microcosm) is part of "the internet" (macrocosm). Nothing > > more. Nothing less. And the moderator obviously did not have too big > > a problem with my use of English or we would not be discussing this > > rediculous, purile issue, would we? > > > > As a matter of fact, I agreed to exactly nothing with regard to this > > list, as I'm sure did you. The possibility of being censored from > this > > list is inherent in it's nature, however, and I am thus aware that > > anyone or anything may be censored from it. If I end up censored > here, > > it is not the kind of list I'd like to participate in anyway, and I'd > > rather find this out sooner than later. > > > > I guess I'm just not smart enough to "know right from wrong" then. > > But I'm glad that you are. It must be very comforting to you. > > > > Furthermore, free speech does not fall under any supreme court > rulling. > > Supreme court rulings fall under it. > > > > Your request has been noted. And I ask that you not request that I > > speak as you see fit. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > -- Kyle > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > You Wrote: > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:26:37 -0500 > > > > > > From: Kyle Amon > > > > > > To: slug@nks.net > > > > > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kyle: Please 'hold' the profanity > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > While I acknowledge your right to object to any language you see > fit, > > > > > > a word is a word and valuative distinctions regarding words are > based > > > > > > on pure sentiment. It is not my intention to insult anyone, however > > > > > > lack of understanding this fact is based on pure linguistic > ignorance. > > > > > > And I want to remind you that the issue of outlawing "profanity" on > > > > > > the internet has been visited before by the US Congress and soundly > > > > > > defeated by the US Supreme Court. :-) > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > -- Kyle > > > > > > > > > P.S. And as long as we are so concerned with etiquette, this issue > > > > > > should have been covered via private email rather than on this > > > > > > mailing list. :-) > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:05:41 -0500 > > > > > > "Mikes work account" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kyle, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While I acknowledge your right to use language as you see fit in > the > > > > > > > marketplace, I want to remind you that the issue of profanity on > this > > > > > > > list > > > > > > > has been visited before and soundly defeated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael C. Rock > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Kyle Amon (TM) voice: 813-979-1633 email: amonk@gnutec.com > > > > > > Kyle Amon, Inc. fax: 813-977-5843 web: > http://gnutec.com/~amonk > > > > > > icq: 46479255 > > > > > > KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 > > > > > > Key fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 > > > > > > > > > "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There > are > > > > > > better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from > making > > > > > > use of one's contributions to computer science." > > > > > > > > > -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 > > > > > > > > > This email Copyright 2001 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, > > > > > > 6002 Palm Shadow Way, Suite 1218, Tampa, FL 33647: (813) 979-1311 > > > > > > amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk. All rights Reserved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Kyle Amon (TM) voice: 813-979-1633 email: amonk@gnutec.com > > Kyle Amon, Inc. fax: 813-977-5843 web: > http://gnutec.com/~amonk > > icq: 46479255 > > KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 > > Key fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 > > > > "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There > are > > better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making > > use of one's contributions to computer science." > > > > -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 > > > > This email Copyright 2001 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, > > 6002 Palm Shadow Way, Suite 1218, Tampa, FL 33647: (813) 979-1311 > > amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk. All rights Reserved. > -- Kyle Amon (TM) voice: 813-979-1633 email: amonk@gnutec.com Kyle Amon, Inc. fax: 813-977-5843 web: http://gnutec.com/~amonk icq: 46479255 KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 Key fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 This email Copyright 2001 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, 6002 Palm Shadow Way, Suite 1218, Tampa, FL 33647: (813) 979-1311 amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk. All rights Reserved. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 21:47:16 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA26807 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:47:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA26804 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:47:16 -0500 Received: from web10405.mail.yahoo.com (web10405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.97]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA04880 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:47:15 -0500 Message-ID: <20020110024645.15023.qmail@web10405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.32.44.189] by web10405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 18:46:45 PST Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:46:45 -0800 (PST) From: Tina Gasperson Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM prevention To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1010605174.18521.0.camel@two> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Derek, do you have any suggestions on SPAM control for people who do not have access to their mail server? Tina --- Derek Glidden wrote: > This seems like an ideal time to mention two > Anti-SPAM projects I've > been tracking recently: > > Vipul's Razor: http://razor.sourceforge.net/ > > and > > Junkfilter: http://junkfilter.zer0.org/ > > They are both run through Procmail, so you will need > to have some kind > of access to your mail server to use them, and of > course your mail > server must be a machine capable of running > Procmail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 23:56:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA27053 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:56:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA27050 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:56:29 -0500 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA05297 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:56:28 -0500 Received: from tampappp141.net.usf.edu (HELO linux) (131.247.166.141) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 04:55:57 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Justin Keyes To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kyle: Please 'hold' the profanity Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:01:59 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20020108152346.16c4d185.amonk@gnutec.com> <20020109102637.2451a7f8.amonk@gnutec.com> In-Reply-To: <20020109102637.2451a7f8.amonk@gnutec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011000015900.00704@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wednesday 09 January 2002 10:26, you wrote: > Michael, ... It is not my intention to insult anyone, however > lack of understanding this fact is based on pure linguistic ignorance. Consider cultural ignorance. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 23:30:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA27017 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:30:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA27014 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:30:13 -0500 Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05242 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:30:13 -0500 Received: from user-33qts1r.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.240.59] helo=micro.hef) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16OWqS-0001LR-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:29:40 -0500 Received: (qmail 13976 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 04:43:32 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO mindspring.com) (133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 04:43:32 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3DB7E3.6060209@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:48:51 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010923 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] wireless for Linux References: <3C3C3630.13802598@yahoo.com> <3C3CEF28.3070208@mindspring.com> <3C3C6593.469456C6@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Mike Manchester wrote: >Thaks Ronan, do you know if Coyote will support passing IPSec. That's >what started this whole router thing :) My company requires IPSec to >connect to the corp network and I can't get my freesco Linux router to >pass IPSec. So I figured since I may need to replace the router why not >go wireless, like Linksys. Then I thought maybe there is away to connect >a wireless transmiiter to my linux router and save some money, as I can >get a Netgear on Ebay for < $100. Now I'm trying to figure out if it's >really worth the effort of setting up my linux router with wireless or >just go with the Linksys router even though the cost maybe a little >more. And I thougt this would be easy :O) > I don't know if Coyote supports IPSec, but since Coyote is a single-floppy distro, I kinda doubt it. You might need to use a CDROM-based distro, or use a normal harddisk install. There is a project called FreeS/WAN that is supposed to be a real (and free) IPSec package. It should run under any real Linux. It is used as an IPSec VPN-ish solution. It really shouldn't care if you are using Wireless or not. Disclaimer: I have never used FreeS/WAN. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 9 23:49:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA27035 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:49:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA27032 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:49:40 -0500 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05278 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:49:40 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-047.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.47] helo=localhost) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16OX9F-00012J-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 20:49:05 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16OX9B-0000Gd-00 for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:49:01 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] NAT Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:48:58 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <3C3C6017.7030102@ij.net> In-Reply-To: <3C3C6017.7030102@ij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Okay, the link is great! But it still doesn't work. I'm very much into the recipe method of setting this up. I can follow directions, and I don't feel very inclined to learn all I can about iptables and security (darn users!), though I must admit I like Derrick's Firewall presentation. The other thing is, do I need to do something special on the machines behind the firewall/on my internal network? (Derrick, what I'm trying to do is this: I've got a couple of machines. One is my PowerMac running debian-woody. It's got two ethernet cards, eth0 and eth1. eth1 is connected to an ethernet hub, and eth0 is connected to my dsl modem, but I think my traffic goes through ppp0, because of the pppoe that I have to use. My other machines are of the intel variety, also running linux. I want to be able to apt-get upgrade my intel machines to the latest debian-woody stuff. But unless they can get on the net, I'll have a hard time... :-) Thanks! Russell Hires On Wednesday 09 January 2002 10:21 am, you wrote: > Russell, I don't use pppoe, but here's a page that Google produced which > may help you. > > http://kitsumi.xware.cx/tech/adsl-2.4.html > > > scott > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 00:57:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA27207 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:57:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA27204 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:57:34 -0500 Received: from valiant.cnchost.com (valiant.concentric.net [207.155.252.9]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05611 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:57:33 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by valiant.cnchost.com id AAA11256; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:57:02 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16OYF5-0007iL-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:59:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:59:07 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Regarding profanity Message-ID: <20020110005907.A29630@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 03:04:42PM -0500, Kyle Amon wrote: > And the moderator obviously did not have too big > a problem with my use of English or we would not be discussing this > rediculous, purile issue, would we? > The moderator hoped this would be an isolated incident and not come up again, and so said nothing. (When will I ever learn?) This issue has come up before. While I'm reluctant to automatically censor or filter profanity, current sentiment echos prior sentiment: profanity is not welcome on this list. I can curse like a sailor and do at times, _but not on this list_. (And if it matters, yes, there are underage subscribers here.) It's not a great sacrifice to avoid profanity, particularly when asked to do so. It's simply good manners. If it pleases you to consider other list subscribers as simple-minded and puerile, then by all means do so. Obviously, I need to add this to the list of "don'ts" for this list, but in the meantime, I would ask that we confine profanity to the politics list (where's it's encouraged! ;-). Likewise, I think we can dispense with this thread. Paul M. Foster President Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 00:41:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA27150 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:41:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA27147 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:41:52 -0500 Received: from lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com ([24.94.153.132]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05518 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:41:51 -0500 Received: from backwatcher.com (labyrinth.sec.gnutec.com [172.16.1.11]) (authenticated) by lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com (MYOB) with ESMTP id g0A5kUAn004105 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:46:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:31:54 -0500 From: Kyle Amon To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] wireless for Linux Message-Id: <20020110003154.32a19b16.amonk@gnutec.com> In-Reply-To: <3C3DB7E3.6060209@mindspring.com> References: <3C3C3630.13802598@yahoo.com> <3C3CEF28.3070208@mindspring.com> <3C3C6593.469456C6@yahoo.com> <3C3DB7E3.6060209@mindspring.com> Organization: Kyle Amon, Inc. X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) X-Rant: Free Sklyarov! X-Face: gMIxc}Ww$pq3}oH)YAo:0f1pDx`GbOGz>ZO_|NVo$c1(AS|{pgBL?g0M~,!N&<~kDkK`S@YRK%P<.@bg;TfiKb1=NMGO(SOu%jMeBB-Ma8CcIA,xyE[h\:gX I don't know if Coyote supports IPSec, but since Coyote is a > single-floppy distro, I kinda doubt it. You might need to use a > CDROM-based distro, or use a normal harddisk install. There is a > project called FreeS/WAN that is supposed to be a real (and free) IPSec > package. It should run under any real Linux. It is used as an IPSec > VPN-ish solution. It really shouldn't care if you are using Wireless or > not. Disclaimer: I have never used FreeS/WAN. > --ronan -- Kyle Amon (TM) voice: 813-979-1633 email: amonk@gnutec.com Kyle Amon, Inc. fax: 813-977-5843 web: http://gnutec.com/~amonk icq: 46479255 KeyID 1024D/4EB96E44 Key fingerprint = E9EC 0046 8487 23D7 C91C D757 7B2A 8AE9 4EB9 6E44 "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 This email Copyright 2001 by Kyle Amon, Inc., a Florida corporation, 6002 Palm Shadow Way, Suite 1218, Tampa, FL 33647: (813) 979-1311 amonk@gnutec.com http://www.gnutec.com/~amonk. All rights Reserved. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 01:49:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA27301 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:49:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA27298 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:49:52 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05783 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:49:52 -0500 Received: from there (242857hfc125.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.57.125]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0A6nI219670 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:49:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201100649.g0A6nI219670@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Jim To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM prevention Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:44:39 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <20020108181340.A12416@quillandmouse.com> <1010605174.18521.0.camel@two> <20020109154148.31a60087.amonk@gnutec.com> In-Reply-To: <20020109154148.31a60087.amonk@gnutec.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Nice website! > Anyone interested in an "smart" spam folder to use with Vipul's Razor, > may want to check out http://pdipa.gnutec.com/ and particularly the > ucbipd.pl link at the bottom to the program that manages it. > > I think it is a riot, but then my sentiments seem to be not all that > popular. :-) Judge for yourself though. And if anyone wants to help > add new features, fix bugs, etc. let me know. I have limited time for > such things, but do them anyway cuz they're kind of fun. :-) > > -- Kyle From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 03:02:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id DAA27550 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:02:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA27547 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:02:26 -0500 Received: from pandora.nks.net (pandora.nks.net [216.139.201.9]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06099 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:02:26 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f89.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.89]) by pandora.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30766 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:30:26 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:19:42 -0800 Received: from 65.32.114.250 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:19:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.32.114.250] From: "Steven Johnson" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM prevention Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:19:42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2002 04:19:42.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[06F2B660:01C1998E] Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The most effective method I have found for spam control is easy and free. http://www.mailexpire.com. It really works. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Tina Gasperson Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM prevention Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:46:45 -0800 (PST) Derek, do you have any suggestions on SPAM control for people who do not have access to their mail server? Tina --- Derek Glidden wrote: > This seems like an ideal time to mention two > Anti-SPAM projects I've > been tracking recently: > > Vipul's Razor: http://razor.sourceforge.net/ > > and > > Junkfilter: http://junkfilter.zer0.org/ > > They are both run through Procmail, so you will need > to have some kind > of access to your mail server to use them, and of > course your mail > server must be a machine capable of running > Procmail. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 03:06:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id DAA27560 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:06:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA27557 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:06:00 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06118 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:05:59 -0500 Received: from espresso (6535245hfc180.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.245.180]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0A85S209303 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:05:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken Billings" To: "SLUG" Subject: [SLUG] Video in/out hardware and software advice needed Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:05:29 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey all... I have this project I'm working on and I need some advice. I'm basically attempting to build my own tivo style media box for the entertainment center. I need some recommendations on hardware and software that would be appropriate. My main focus right now is the hardware side (first things first!). All I'm really looking for is the TV in/out card. It needs to be able to do the following at a minimum: 1. Capture 30 fps of 800x600 24bit color. The _capability_ of a higher res is desirable. 2. Have a decent quality cable tuner. 3. RCA video in/out, S-Video out. 4. Video out needs to be able to display a half-way readable desktop. 5. Hardware DVD decoding would be nice, but not required. I have a good DVD player I'll still be using for that. 6. Capability to select recording compression codec - more software side, but I don't want to get stuck with a crappy codec. 7. Somewhat stable and mature linux driver support. Advanced audio functions are not really needed (other than the tuner), and might get in the way. I have a SB Live 5.1 I'll be using for audio. The software side I'm not as worried about right now, but I'd love to get started on that also. I'd like to stick to tools that are fully command line controlled, as I'll be doing the interface in html and . So... anyone have any ideas, or done something like this already? -Ken From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 06:35:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA28155 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:35:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA28152 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:35:21 -0500 Received: from femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07118 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:35:20 -0500 Received: from Maria.local ([67.162.169.156]) by femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020110113444.HWRK25038.femail41.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Maria.local> for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:34:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Video in/out hardware and software advice needed From: Logan To: SLUG In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 10 Jan 2002 06:37:53 -0500 Message-Id: <1010662674.21880.0.camel@Maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I do not know what the fps capture is for this card (threw out the box a long time ago) but I use the Studio PC TV card with BTTV drivers and it works perfectly. I was using my video camera as a to take pictures with this system before I was using my digital camera. It has the RCA in SVhs out and its less than $50. Logan On Thu, 2002-01-10 at 03:05, Ken Billings wrote: > Hey all... I have this project I'm working on and I need some advice. I'm > basically attempting to build my own tivo style media box for the > entertainment center. I need some recommendations on hardware and software > that would be appropriate. My main focus right now is the hardware side > (first things first!). All I'm really looking for is the TV in/out card. > It needs to be able to do the following at a minimum: > > 1. Capture 30 fps of 800x600 24bit color. The _capability_ of a higher res > is desirable. > 2. Have a decent quality cable tuner. > 3. RCA video in/out, S-Video out. > 4. Video out needs to be able to display a half-way readable desktop. > 5. Hardware DVD decoding would be nice, but not required. I have a good DVD > player I'll still be using for that. > 6. Capability to select recording compression codec - more software side, > but I don't want to get stuck with a crappy codec. > 7. Somewhat stable and mature linux driver support. > > Advanced audio functions are not really needed (other than the tuner), and > might get in the way. I have a SB Live 5.1 I'll be using for audio. > The software side I'm not as worried about right now, but I'd love to get > started on that also. I'd like to stick to tools that are fully command > line controlled, as I'll be doing the interface in html and scripting language here>. > > So... anyone have any ideas, or done something like this already? > > -Ken -- 6:30am up 5 days, 10:43, 1 user, load average: 1.04, 1.01, 1.00 The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 06:39:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA28162 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:39:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA28159 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:39:25 -0500 Received: from mail15b.boca15-verio.com (mail15b.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA07132 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:39:25 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 0112194 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:37:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C3D7C5A.8040006@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:34:50 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Video in/out hardware and software advice needed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Hey all... I have this project I'm working on and I need some advice. I'm > basically attempting to build my own tivo style media box for the > entertainment center. I need some recommendations on hardware and software > that would be appropriate. My main focus right now is the hardware side > (first things first!). All I'm really looking for is the TV in/out card. > It needs to be able to do the following at a minimum: The new FuturePower/OeOne computer (https://homebase.oeone.com/store/index.php?SCREEN=items/1) isn't exactly what you are looking for, but it does everything you want, all in one neat little $800 package. I have a review unit here... got it yesterday, have been playing with it since. Very nice piece. Uses Mozilla, not KDE or Gnome, as its desktop; no start/foot/gear button anywhere. If you have a relative who wants a virus-free computer for Internet use and basic home computer stuff, but doesn't know much, this thing is the perfect choice for them. It's so easy to set up and run that it makes a Mac look hard. But you can also pop up a terminal window and do whatever you want.... and yes, you can hook it up to cable input, record shows, play them minus commercials, whatever. Add an external (USB?) CD or DVD burner (and driver for it), and you'd have one [bleep] of a "video archiving" device. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 08:09:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA28272 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:09:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA28265 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:09:38 -0500 Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07408 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:09:37 -0500 From: keith.kepner@us.pwcglobal.com Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id IAA25715; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xma025670; Thu, 10 Jan 02 08:05:52 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GPQ007IS4GG4B@uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com>; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:07:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:09:58 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] games To: slug@nks.net Cc: slug@lists.nks.net, slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 01/10/2002 08:09:05 AM Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks Ted for your response. I'll give it a try. Ted Fletcher cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [SLUG] games slug@lists.nks .net 01/09/2002 01:08 PM Please respond to slug As God Knows.......this would be my area of expertise While from personal experience.....i have found that the best platform for gaming (fps rates) has been Windows 98 when compared to everything I've seen quake ported to. (Various distros of Linux, Sun, Mac, Win2K, WinXP,..etc.) However, I have found the Linux platform to interact with my video card & chipset (NVIDIA TNT2) much better then the newer distros of Windows. If you love those 1st person shooters and the strategy games........then Linux is the way to go. If you're like me and are a big sports nut....keep a win98 partition for optimal gaming performance. For finding some good quality demos....check out http://www.lokigames.com/ the specialize in porting windows games to the linux platform to utilize the better hardware interaction. (and open source) keep in mind that they filed for chapter 11 over the summer (chapter 11 != bankrupt) Ted -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 1.0 GED/J d-- s+:+ a-- C++(++++) ULSU++ P+ L++ E- W+++ N+++ o+ K+ w--- O+ M+ V-- PS+ PE Y++ PGP+++ t- 5- X++ R-$ tv++ b++ DI+++ D+++ G+++ e++(*) h* r++ y++** ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of keith.kepner@us.pwcglobal.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:38 AM To: slug@nks.net Cc: slug@lists.nks.net; SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] games Jim, very curious how Q3 (or any 1st person shoot 'em up) plays on Linux. Being a gamer on Windows, I was never quite satisfied with the game play and maybe never will be. But I'm curious how Q3 plays on Linux. And now that my home PC lost its motherboard, I'm taking the opportunity to upgrade and reload the OS. I'm leaning heavily towards Linux right now. Any thoughts? How about on video production/editing applications on Linux? Any suggestions on motherboard/CPU combinations? Thanks. Jim ay.rr.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: [SLUG] games slug@lists.nks. net 01/09/2002 03:39 AM Please respond to slug Hey! I picked up two linux games at the Best Buy on Dale Mabry last night. Quake 3 and Railroad Tycoon 2. They were $9.99 each, in the same area as the distros. They had two of each (Now, they have one of each) Jim :) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 08:09:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA28273 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:09:39 -0500 Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA28269 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:09:38 -0500 From: keith.kepner@us.pwcglobal.com Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id IAA25715; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xma025670; Thu, 10 Jan 02 08:05:52 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GPQ007IS4GG4B@uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com>; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:07:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:09:58 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] games To: slug@nks.net Cc: slug@lists.nks.net, slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 01/10/2002 08:09:05 AM Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks Ted for your response. I'll give it a try. Ted Fletcher cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [SLUG] games slug@lists.nks .net 01/09/2002 01:08 PM Please respond to slug As God Knows.......this would be my area of expertise While from personal experience.....i have found that the best platform for gaming (fps rates) has been Windows 98 when compared to everything I've seen quake ported to. (Various distros of Linux, Sun, Mac, Win2K, WinXP,..etc.) However, I have found the Linux platform to interact with my video card & chipset (NVIDIA TNT2) much better then the newer distros of Windows. If you love those 1st person shooters and the strategy games........then Linux is the way to go. If you're like me and are a big sports nut....keep a win98 partition for optimal gaming performance. For finding some good quality demos....check out http://www.lokigames.com/ the specialize in porting windows games to the linux platform to utilize the better hardware interaction. (and open source) keep in mind that they filed for chapter 11 over the summer (chapter 11 != bankrupt) Ted -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 1.0 GED/J d-- s+:+ a-- C++(++++) ULSU++ P+ L++ E- W+++ N+++ o+ K+ w--- O+ M+ V-- PS+ PE Y++ PGP+++ t- 5- X++ R-$ tv++ b++ DI+++ D+++ G+++ e++(*) h* r++ y++** ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of keith.kepner@us.pwcglobal.com Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:38 AM To: slug@nks.net Cc: slug@lists.nks.net; SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] games Jim, very curious how Q3 (or any 1st person shoot 'em up) plays on Linux. Being a gamer on Windows, I was never quite satisfied with the game play and maybe never will be. But I'm curious how Q3 plays on Linux. And now that my home PC lost its motherboard, I'm taking the opportunity to upgrade and reload the OS. I'm leaning heavily towards Linux right now. Any thoughts? How about on video production/editing applications on Linux? Any suggestions on motherboard/CPU combinations? Thanks. Jim ay.rr.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: [SLUG] games slug@lists.nks. net 01/09/2002 03:39 AM Please respond to slug Hey! I picked up two linux games at the Best Buy on Dale Mabry last night. Quake 3 and Railroad Tycoon 2. They were $9.99 each, in the same area as the distros. They had two of each (Now, they have one of each) Jim :) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 09:30:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28411 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:30:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA28408 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:30:57 -0500 Received: from lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com ([24.94.153.132]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07651 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:30:57 -0500 Received: from dhcp70.sec.gnutec.com (dhcp70.sec.gnutec.com [172.16.1.70]) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:33:28 -0500 (EST) From: Cherie Amon X-Sender: cherie@mercury.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] NAT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hello, I'm new on the list, and don't know this whole thread, but this makes me think about whether you've added default routes on the machines behind your firewall. ? > The other thing > is, do I need to do something special on the machines behind the firewall/on > my internal network? Best Regards, Cherie From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 11:10:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA28648 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:10:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA28645 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:10:49 -0500 Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08068 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:10:49 -0500 Received: from user-33qtsmk.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.242.212] helo=micro.hef) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16OhmU-0007xE-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:10:18 -0500 Received: (qmail 14414 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 16:24:15 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO mindspring.com) (133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 16:24:15 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3E5C1A.5090307@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:29:30 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010923 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Video in/out hardware and software advice needed References: <3C3D7C5A.8040006@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Robin (Roblimo) Miller wrote: > The new FuturePower/OeOne computer > (https://homebase.oeone.com/store/index.php?SCREEN=items/1) isn't > exactly what you are looking for, but it does everything you want, all > in one neat little $800 package. > > I have a review unit here... got it yesterday, have been playing with > it since. Very nice piece. Uses Mozilla, not KDE or Gnome, as its > desktop; no start/foot/gear button anywhere. If you have a relative > who wants a virus-free computer for Internet use and basic home > computer stuff, but doesn't know much, this thing is the perfect > choice for them. It's so easy to set up and run that it makes a Mac > look hard. But you can also pop up a terminal window and do whatever > you want.... and yes, you can hook it up to cable input, record shows, > play them minus commercials, whatever. Add an external (USB?) CD or > DVD burner (and driver for it), and you'd have one [bleep] of a "video > archiving" device. > > - Robin > Robin- We talked about this device at the Brandon meeting, and you thought that it might have NTSC output. Is this not the case? --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 12:12:27 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA28748 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:12:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA28745 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:12:26 -0500 Received: from web10407.mail.yahoo.com (web10407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.99]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA08325 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:12:25 -0500 Message-ID: <20020110171154.67648.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.32.44.189] by web10407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:11:54 PST Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:11:54 -0800 (PST) From: Tina Gasperson Subject: [SLUG] Calling all LinuxChix To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug (Thanks to Paul Foster for allowing me to make this announcement on the SLUG list.) The Tampa Bay chapter of LinuxChix is looking for female Linux people! The purpose of LinuxChix is to provide female Linux users with the 'hey, I'm not the only one!' experience. LinuxChix is open to women with any level of experience with Linux - from "what's this Linux I've heard about," all the way to seasoned coders and systems administrators. We help each other find answers to questions and solutions to problems. And hopefully, we'll have fun at the same time. Tampa LinuxChix is just starting up again after a long hiatus. If you or someone you know is interested in coming to a short (probably 30 minutes or less) "let's get acquainted" get-together that will happen right before the regular Brandon SLUG meeting in early February, or if you can't make that and are interested in future plans, please send me an email - tinahdee@yahoo.com. Thanks, Tina Gasperson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 12:24:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA28790 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:24:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA28787 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:24:21 -0500 Received: from mail15a.boca15-verio.com (mail15a.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA08398 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:24:20 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15a.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 0326568 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:22:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C3DCD33.7020004@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:19:47 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Video in/out hardware and software advice needed References: <3C3D7C5A.8040006@roblimo.com> <3C3E5C1A.5090307@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > We talked about this device at the Brandon meeting, and you thought > that it might have NTSC output. Is this not the case? > --ronan Nope. Don't see NTSC output. You'd hae to do USB, I suppose. Oh, well. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 13:14:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA28955 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:14:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA28952 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:14:56 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08625 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:14:55 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA23568 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:14:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM prevention From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20020110024645.15023.qmail@web10405.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020110024645.15023.qmail@web10405.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 10 Jan 2002 13:14:24 -0500 Message-Id: <1010686464.981.0.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 2002-01-09 at 21:46, Tina Gasperson wrote: > Derek, do you have any suggestions on SPAM control for > people who do not have access to their mail server? If it were me, I'd probably play with getting Fetchmail to work with either Vipul or Junkfilter. But that's me and I enjoy a challenge. :) A lot of people have said good things about http://www.spamcop.com/ but I know very little about how it works myself or if its even appropriate for this conversation. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 13:29:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA28986 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:29:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA28983 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:29:13 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08692 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:29:11 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA23753 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:28:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] NAT From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: <3C3C6017.7030102@ij.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-+EhldyqGoRg1f8tI5QdY" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 10 Jan 2002 13:28:40 -0500 Message-Id: <1010687321.982.2.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-+EhldyqGoRg1f8tI5QdY Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 2002-01-09 at 23:48, Russell Hires wrote: > (Derrick, what I'm trying to do is this: I've got a couple of machines. One > is my PowerMac running debian-woody. It's got two ethernet cards, eth0 and > eth1. eth1 is connected to an ethernet hub, and eth0 is connected to my dsl > modem, but I think my traffic goes through ppp0, because of the pppoe that I > have to use. My other machines are of the intel variety, also running linux. > I want to be able to apt-get upgrade my intel machines to the latest > debian-woody stuff. But unless they can get on the net, I'll have a hard > time... :-) Ah so. Basic NAT/MASQ firewall then. It shouldn't matter what your internal and external interfaces are. At the expo last Spring we had all the stuff on the floor masquerading over a 56K dialup through our firewall over the ppp0 device and it worked fine. Make sure your eth1 has an address - assuming your machines are on, say, 192.168.1.0/24, then we would normally put your "router/firewall" at 192.168.1.254. Make sure your other boxes use that address as the default route. (In Debian, it's the "gateway" line in /etc/network/interfaces) On the firewall, make sure it's connected via ppp0 to your ISP, and eth1 has an appropriate address on your internal network. Play with the attached script. Hopefully it's self-evident how to modify it for your own environment. The script does several things: Sets up your NAT rules so all internal traffic is NAT'd to your external, dynamic address. (i.e. "MASQUERADE") Sets up your FORWARD rules so that statefulness is enabled and allows existing sessions to continue back across the firewall from the outside, and only allows new sessions to be initiated from the internal network outbound. Sets up your INPUT rules so that only traffic from the internal network and SSH traffic from the external network is allowed to connect directly to your firewall. DROPs everything else in or across the firewall. It will log certain informative messages to (in Debian) /var/log/messages so as "root" on your firewall, you can "tail -f /var/log/messages" and see what packets are being allowed and what are being dropped and what isn't even getting to the firewall, and work out what your problems might be from there. If you have more questions, ask! -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ --=-+EhldyqGoRg1f8tI5QdY Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=iptables.sh Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/x-sh; charset=ISO-8859-1 #!/bin/sh # Set up our interfaces and network EXTERNAL_IFACE=3D"eth0" INTERNAL_IFACE=3D"eth1" INTERNAL_NET=3D"192.168.1.0/24" ## Disable routing while we update tables echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ## Insert connection-tracking modules (not needed if built into kernel). modprobe ip_conntrack modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp modprobe ip_nat_ftp ## Flush all existing rules iptables -F iptables -X iptables -t nat -F iptables -t nat -X ## Set up IP Masquerading for internal network iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $EXTERNAL_IFACE -s $INTERNAL_NET -j MASQU= ERADE ## Set up FORWARD rules for internal network iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -i $INTERNAL_IFACE -s $INTERNAL_NET -m state --state NE= W -j LOG --log-level info --log-prefix "NEW FORWARD: " iptables -A FORWARD -i $INTERNAL_IFACE -s $INTERNAL_NET -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -j LOG --log-level info --log-prefix "DROP FORWARD: " iptables -A FORWARD -j DROP ## Set up INPUT rules to allow traffic directly to the box ## Only allow SSH from the outside world ## Allow anything from the internal network iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -i $EXTERNAL_IFACE -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW= -j LOG --log-level info --log-prefix "NEW INPUT: " iptables -A INPUT -i $EXTERNAL_IFACE -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -i $INTERNAL_IFACE -s $INTERNAL_NET -m state --state NEW = -j LOG --log-level info --log-prefix "NEW INPUT: " iptables -A INPUT -i $INTERNAL_IFACE -s $INTERNAL_NET -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -j LOG --log-level info --log-prefix "DROP INPUT: " iptables -A INPUT -j DROP ## Reenable routing now we're done changing things echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward --=-+EhldyqGoRg1f8tI5QdY-- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 14:22:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA29077 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:22:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA29074 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:22:40 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08911 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:22:36 -0500 Received: from newcomputer (653267hfc216.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.216]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0AJM5209888 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:22:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008101c19a0c$5b727f80$d8432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Video in/out hardware and software advice needed Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:23:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If you are looking for a good card to do this try the ATI wonder with Radeon this is what my friend uses to do caps and video edits. They work great. It has all the features you could ever want. These go for around 160.00 to 180.00 usually can be found at Best Buys. If they do not have it you can try to see if thompsons www.tcwo.com or mb's www.mbk2000.com sells them. they are local both are off of benjamin road near the airport. Right now I have a Hauppauge Tv / Fm card it works good but not as good as the ATI. I also use a PInnacle Studio 10+ as well. How ever the Pinnacle uses a mjpeg format which is not the same as mpeg or mpg I have to use a proggie to convert the caps to Mpg vcd format or use Adobe Premier to cap using a huffy codec fro avi and then convert it as well wich takes a while and alot fo hard drive space. For Video capture you need at least 500mhz or better recommended , 256 megs of ram , a ATA 66 or 100 Hard drive that is 7200 rpm. If you run less you will start to loose frames easily. How ever I am right now using a AMd 450 with 384 megs of ram and a ata 66 with a 7,200 rpm Western Digital hard drive. works ok but I jacked the ram up to compensate for the processor speed. Also try to keep at least 10 gigs available for space for the captures if you are doing shows. However yet another problem you may encounter is that some cap cards have a problem of capturing more then 2 gigs of data. There are some patches and updates that may help and some software. I have researched alot of this stuff. You can try www.vcdhelp.com or http://tivohack.sourceforge.net/ and this site http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/forumdisplay.php?s=dba6d469f90d5d29e7d9 a7122bbe7637&forumid=8 all of which are excellent sites for checking out all you need to know about this stuff. Also you may want to research tv cap cards on maximum pc website they did a issue talking about these. You also again can try usinging good ole google for searches as I often find most of what I am looking for on there. Ah before I go try this http://www.cadsoft.de/people/kls/vdr/index.htm this also has steps on building your own dvr. Enjoy see ya. Bill Preece -----Original Message----- From: Ken Billings To: SLUG Date: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:47 AM Subject: [SLUG] Video in/out hardware and software advice needed >Hey all... I have this project I'm working on and I need some advice. I'm >basically attempting to build my own tivo style media box for the >entertainment center. I need some recommendations on hardware and software >that would be appropriate. My main focus right now is the hardware side >(first things first!). All I'm really looking for is the TV in/out card. >It needs to be able to do the following at a minimum: > >1. Capture 30 fps of 800x600 24bit color. The _capability_ of a higher res >is desirable. >2. Have a decent quality cable tuner. >3. RCA video in/out, S-Video out. >4. Video out needs to be able to display a half-way readable desktop. >5. Hardware DVD decoding would be nice, but not required. I have a good DVD >player I'll still be using for that. >6. Capability to select recording compression codec - more software side, >but I don't want to get stuck with a crappy codec. >7. Somewhat stable and mature linux driver support. > >Advanced audio functions are not really needed (other than the tuner), and >might get in the way. I have a SB Live 5.1 I'll be using for audio. >The software side I'm not as worried about right now, but I'd love to get >started on that also. I'd like to stick to tools that are fully command >line controlled, as I'll be doing the interface in html and scripting language here>. > >So... anyone have any ideas, or done something like this already? > >-Ken > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 14:04:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA29046 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:04:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA29043 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:04:54 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08828 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:04:53 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0AJ6lY11298 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:06:47 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:04:13 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:04:08 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: [SLUG] Probing of a network port. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id OAA29044 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi, I currently have a Novell server running Groupwise that very frequently crashs. When it happens just the Groupwise portion goes down but the rest of the server is ok. I'm using some software called NetSaint on Linux to check this servers network ports by doing a TCP scan. The only problem is when Groupwise goes down the port is still registered as being open. Is there a way using either nmap or another program to do a more detailed scan or probe of the port? Thanks. Brett From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 14:25:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA29096 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:25:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA29093 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:25:18 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08925 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:25:17 -0500 Received: from newcomputer (653267hfc216.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.216]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0AJOl213456 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:24:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008401c19a0c$bbaac2e0$d8432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Video in/out hardware and software advice needed Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:26:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yet another Link and this one looks decent . http://linuxtv.org/ Hopes this will help. Bill Preece From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 15:03:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA29134 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:03:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA29131 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:03:09 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA09071 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:03:08 -0500 Received: (qmail 3267 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 20:02:38 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 20:02:38 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:02:36 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] keyboard frozen Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:02:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug >From time to time the keyboard on my console monitor freezes and will not function. I have not been able to find the right combination of processes to restart the keyboard process. What am I looking for?? Michael C. Rock From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 15:47:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA29257 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:47:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA29254 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:47:59 -0500 Received: from web10404.mail.yahoo.com (web10404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.96]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA09319 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:47:58 -0500 Message-ID: <20020110204727.33949.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.32.44.189] by web10404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:47:27 PST Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:47:27 -0800 (PST) From: Tina Gasperson Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM prevention To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1010686464.981.0.camel@two> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug So, help me here. :) Are you saying that I *don't* need to have access to a mail server to use these tools if I set up Fetchmail? -Tina --- Derek Glidden wrote: > If it were me, I'd probably play with getting > Fetchmail to work with > either Vipul or Junkfilter. But that's me and I > enjoy a challenge. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 15:06:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA29144 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:06:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA29141 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:06:58 -0500 Received: from acomp.usf.edu (nova.acomp.usf.edu [131.247.100.22]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09084 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:06:58 -0500 Received: from dhcp97-16.acomp.usf.edu ([131.247.97.16] verified) by acomp.usf.edu (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5b9) with ESMTP id 2389963 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:06:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Probing of a network port. From: luke To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 10 Jan 2002 15:09:27 -0500 Message-Id: <1010693367.25945.0.camel@dhcp97-16.acomp.usf.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Try Big Brother from http://bb4.com On Thu, 2002-01-10 at 14:04, Brett Simpson wrote: > Hi, > > I currently have a Novell server running Groupwise that very frequently crashs. When it happens just the Groupwise portion goes down but the rest of the server is ok. I'm using some software called NetSaint on Linux to check this servers network ports by doing a TCP scan. The only problem is when Groupwise goes down the port is still registered as being open. Is there a way using either nmap or another program to do a more detailed scan or probe of the port? Thanks. > > Brett > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 15:59:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA29309 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:59:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA29306 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:59:49 -0500 Received: from snoopy.tblc.org (snoopy.tblc.lib.fl.us [206.72.132.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09433 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:59:48 -0500 Received: from bernie.tblc.org (bernie.tblc.org [206.72.132.8]) by snoopy.tblc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BE220026C for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:03:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Probing of a network port. From: Ben Ostrowsky To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.0.99+cvs.2001.12.18.08.57 (Preview Release) Date: 10 Jan 2002 16:02:29 -0500 Message-Id: <1010696549.22043.116.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > I currently have a Novell server running Groupwise that very frequently crashs. When it happens just the Groupwise portion goes down but the rest of the server is ok. I'm using some software called NetSaint on Linux to check this servers network ports by doing a TCP scan. The only problem is when Groupwise goes down the port is still registered as being open. Is there a way using either nmap or another program to do a more detailed scan or probe of the port? Thanks. Hi Brett, You might want to use NetSaint's SNMP interface (I'm guessing there's a plugin or even a check_snmp command). http://www.novell.com/documentation/lg/gw52/mon00001.html tells you which MIBs to use 'to see the health of [your] GroupWise system at a glance'. Regards, Ben Ostrowsky From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 17:00:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA29495 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:00:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA29492 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:00:45 -0500 Received: from mail.hillsboroughcounty.org ([207.156.7.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09732 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:00:45 -0500 Received: from GroupWise (smtpgate.hillsboroughcounty.org [207.156.7.130]) by mail.hillsboroughcounty.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0AM2SY23651 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:02:28 -0500 Received: from BOCC-Message_Server by GroupWise with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:59:55 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:59:41 -0500 From: "Brett Simpson" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Probing of a network port. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id RAA29493 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks. I'll take a look at that. >>> ostrowb@tblc.org 01/10/02 04:02PM >>> > I currently have a Novell server running Groupwise that very frequently crashs. When it happens just the Groupwise portion goes down but the rest of the server is ok. I'm using some software called NetSaint on Linux to check this servers network ports by doing a TCP scan. The only problem is when Groupwise goes down the port is still registered as being open. Is there a way using either nmap or another program to do a more detailed scan or probe of the port? Thanks. Hi Brett, You might want to use NetSaint's SNMP interface (I'm guessing there's a plugin or even a check_snmp command). http://www.novell.com/documentation/lg/gw52/mon00001.html tells you which MIBs to use 'to see the health of [your] GroupWise system at a glance'. Regards, Ben Ostrowsky From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 18:34:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA29637 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:34:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA29634 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:34:45 -0500 Received: from rodney.cnchost.com (rodney.concentric.net [207.155.252.4]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10136 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:34:44 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by rodney.cnchost.com id SAA01425; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:34:12 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16OokL-0000XL-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:36:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:36:27 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Calling all LinuxChix Message-ID: <20020110183627.B30420@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <20020110171154.67648.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020110171154.67648.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com>; from tinahdee@yahoo.com on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 09:11:54AM -0800 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 09:11:54AM -0800, Tina Gasperson wrote: > If you or someone you know is interested in > coming to a short (probably 30 minutes or less) "let's > get acquainted" get-together that will happen right > before the regular Brandon SLUG meeting in early > February, or if you can't make that and are interested > in future plans, please send me an email - > tinahdee@yahoo.com. FWIW, the first meeting of SLUG was at Chili's on US19 in Clearwater. Nice to sit around and eat/drink while getting acquainted. Somehow a restaurant environment greases the wheels a little. Might be an idea for some beginning meetings, and some LUGs do this as the rule. Not very good if you want to bring machines to troubleshoot, though. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 18:07:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA29595 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:07:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA29592 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:07:06 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10034 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:07:04 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA26452 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:06:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Probing of a network port. From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 10 Jan 2002 18:06:34 -0500 Message-Id: <1010703994.982.6.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2002-01-10 at 14:04, Brett Simpson wrote: > Hi, > > I currently have a Novell server running Groupwise that very frequently crashs. When it happens just the Groupwise portion goes down but the rest of the server is ok. I'm using some software called NetSaint on Linux to check this servers network ports by doing a TCP scan. The only problem is when Groupwise goes down the port is still registered as being open. Is there a way using either nmap or another program to do a more detailed scan or probe of the port? Thanks. If you know any "handshake" information about how Groupwise should respond to a connection to that port, you can use the tcp-port monitor from Netsaint with the "send/expect" flags to send it data to which you expect a certain reply. If the plugin doesn't get that reply, you know your Groupwise is dead even if the port is still accepting connections. Unfortunately, I'm going to bet there is little to no documentation about what's required for connection handshaking with a Groupwise server. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 18:08:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA29602 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:08:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA29599 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:08:37 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10038 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:08:35 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA26474 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:08:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] keyboard frozen From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 10 Jan 2002 18:08:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1010704084.981.8.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2002-01-10 at 15:02, Mikes work account wrote: > > >From time to time the keyboard on my console monitor freezes and will not > function. I have not been able to find the right combination of processes > to restart the keyboard process. What am I looking for?? Geez, if you ever find out, let me know! I have a few machines that, once you've unplug the keyboard, stop responding to keyboard input even if you plug it back in. The only keyboard-related tool I'm aware of is "kbdrate" which runs fine, but doesn't do anything as far as allowing the system to start responding. Unfortunately, I think these are hardware issues, and nothing Linux can do about in my case. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 18:30:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA29623 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:30:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA29620 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:30:33 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10121 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:30:31 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA26623 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:30:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM prevention From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20020110204727.33949.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020110204727.33949.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 10 Jan 2002 18:29:59 -0500 Message-Id: <1010705400.982.10.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2002-01-10 at 15:47, Tina Gasperson wrote: > So, help me here. :) Are you saying that I *don't* > need to have access to a mail server to use these > tools if I set up Fetchmail? Fetchmail supports bloody every known method of mail delivery mechanisms to pull mail off of "some server someplace" and put it on "your server/mail client somewhere else." So it can take mail from a machine you _don't_ have administrative access to, and put it on a machine you _do_, all as if the mail were getting delivered via normal channels. I don't actually use it, so that's about as detailed an explanation I can get. (See the homepage URL below.) Considering Fetchmail's overwhelming functionality, I would be shocked (SHOCKED, I tell you! :) to hear that it did not have some way of calling procmail against the mail it's gathering up for you. And since both Junkfilter and Vipul are procmail-based, as long as you can run procmail against your incoming email, you can do it. Now, when looking up the Fetchmail homepage (http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/fetchmail/), I see a paragraph that says: "Fetchmail retrieves mail from remote mail servers and forwards it via SMTP, so it can then be be read by normal mail user agents such as mutt, elm(1) or BSD Mail. It allows all your system MTA's filtering, forwarding, and aliasing facilities to work just as they would on normal mail." So since it's delivering via SMTP, all you would need to do is get an SMTP agent (exim, postfix, qmail, sendmail...) running on the same machine on which you will be running Fetchmail, get Procmail working, and finally configure Procmail to run Junkfilter or Vipul and it should all act just as if you were running those tools on the mail server on which your email was originally delivered. Of course, I'm glossing over the details, which are fairly in-depth, but getting each of those individual components working is clearly documented on respective websites, (if not already part of your Linux distro) and basically, well, I'm just soooo damn good, aren't I? ;) > --- Derek Glidden wrote: > > If it were me, I'd probably play with getting > > Fetchmail to work with > > either Vipul or Junkfilter. But that's me and I > > enjoy a challenge. :) > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 20:53:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA29845 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:53:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA29842 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:53:27 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10511 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:53:27 -0500 Received: from midas.lan (6535195hfc126.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.195.126]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0B1qfl19997 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:52:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Calling all LinuxChix From: Seth Hollen To: "Slug@Nks. Net" In-Reply-To: <20020110171154.67648.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020110171154.67648.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.0.99+cvs.2001.12.18.08.57 (Preview Release) Date: 10 Jan 2002 20:51:18 -0500 Message-Id: <1010713882.6537.11.camel@midas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If I wear a dress can I come? ;) Seth PS you know mentioning women and linux in the same sentence will bring out the geeks in droves! :) On Thu, 2002-01-10 at 12:11, Tina Gasperson wrote: > (Thanks to Paul Foster for allowing me to make this > announcement on the SLUG list.) > > The Tampa Bay chapter of LinuxChix is looking for > female Linux people! The purpose of LinuxChix is to > provide female Linux users with the 'hey, I'm not the > only one!' experience. > > LinuxChix is open to women with any level of > experience with Linux - from "what's this Linux I've > heard about," all the way to seasoned coders and > systems administrators. We help each other find > answers to questions and solutions to problems. And > hopefully, we'll have fun at the same time. > > Tampa LinuxChix is just starting up again after a long > hiatus. If you or someone you know is interested in > coming to a short (probably 30 minutes or less) "let's > get acquainted" get-together that will happen right > before the regular Brandon SLUG meeting in early > February, or if you can't make that and are interested > in future plans, please send me an email - > tinahdee@yahoo.com. > > Thanks, > Tina Gasperson > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 20:32:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA29795 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:32:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA29792 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:32:07 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10457 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:32:06 -0500 Received: from gecko.hast.org (653276hfc132.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.76.132]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0B1VZW19787 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:31:35 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firewall presentation Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:47:58 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <1010601758.18157.8.camel@two> In-Reply-To: <1010601758.18157.8.camel@two> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011020475802.03804@gecko.hast.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wednesday 09 January 2002 13:42 L, you wrote: > Did I already do this? I'm having the strangest sense of Deja Vu. > > I've finally (or again...) uploaded the presentation I did a few months > ago on Linux firewalls. You can find it here: > > http://www.illusionary.com/~dglidden/linux-fw/ > > Enjoy. (again?) Now I have to go and learn IPTABLES, just getting familiar with IPCHAINS... B-] but it will be worth it. After looking at your presentation I am sold on 'tables. I have a question for you. I am trying to get LINUX into our company. We have a small VPN box which allows 10 VPN's in the mean time we have sent a load of people home to work. I would like to find a LINUX based VPN that we can set up to handle our needs (there are about 50 of us of the which probably about 25 are working at home and soon even more of them will be doing so) Since everything is still MS they want to be able to see the network neighborhood, and all the other "great" MS toys over the VPN. Do you have any recommendations? Our network admin person is looking at some $3K hardware solution, but that may take a while for the ones holding the money bags to turn loose of given the money situation at work. I would like to set up a test VPN on a address we have and let it run allowing them to test it prior to all going to it. Tnx for the great firewall info. Looking forward to your guidance in this issue. -- Chuck Hast KP4DJT kp4djt@tampabay.rr.com To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 21:42:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA29952 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:42:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA29949 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:42:11 -0500 Received: from web10404.mail.yahoo.com (web10404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.96]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA10643 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:42:10 -0500 Message-ID: <20020111024140.9855.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.174.241.143] by web10404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:41:40 PST Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:41:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tina Gasperson Subject: Re: [SLUG] Calling all LinuxChix To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1010713882.6537.11.camel@midas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Seth, you can come and you don't even have to wear a dress. LinuxChix is for women but it is open to men also. :-) Tina --- Seth Hollen wrote: > If I wear a dress can I come? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 10 23:40:36 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA30212 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:40:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA30209 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:40:36 -0500 Received: from ajax.cnchost.com (ajax.cnchost.com [207.155.248.31]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11092 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:40:30 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by ajax.cnchost.com id XAA02946; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:39:55 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16OtWH-0000vG-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:42:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:42:16 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM prevention Message-ID: <20020110234216.A3434@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <20020110204727.33949.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com> <1010705400.982.10.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1010705400.982.10.camel@two>; from dglidden@illusionary.com on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 06:29:59PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 06:29:59PM -0500, Derek Glidden wrote: > On Thu, 2002-01-10 at 15:47, Tina Gasperson wrote: > > So, help me here. :) Are you saying that I *don't* > > need to have access to a mail server to use these > > tools if I set up Fetchmail? > Considering Fetchmail's overwhelming functionality, I would be shocked > (SHOCKED, I tell you! :) to hear that it did not have some way of > calling procmail against the mail it's gathering up for you. At the bottom of the ~/.fetchmailrc file, you can specify the delivery agent. You can (and I do) tell it to let procmail deliver for you. I don't know that fetchmail will do much except pick your mail off of A and deliver it to B. But there are a _lot_ of filter-type things that work with procmail, mostly by providing procmail "recipes" that procmail then runs. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 11 07:24:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA30864 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:24:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA30861 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:24:08 -0500 Received: from web11407.mail.yahoo.com (web11407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.237]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA12903 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:23:37 -0500 Message-ID: <20020111122257.13199.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.42.208.147] by web11407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 04:22:57 PST Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 04:22:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: Re: [SLUG] Calling all LinuxChix To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1010713882.6537.11.camel@midas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --- Seth Hollen wrote: > If I wear a dress can I come? > ;) > > > Seth Way to get in tough with the feminine side ! LOL! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 11 08:11:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA30883 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:11:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA30880 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:11:13 -0500 Received: from femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.25]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13034 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:10:33 -0500 Received: from Maria.local ([67.162.169.156]) by femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020111130952.MOCQ8351.femail35.sdc1.sfba.home.com@Maria.local> for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:09:52 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Calling all LinuxChix From: Logan To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <20020111024140.9855.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020111024140.9855.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 11 Jan 2002 08:13:31 -0500 Message-Id: <1010754812.9621.0.camel@Maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2002-01-10 at 21:41, Tina Gasperson wrote: > Seth, you can come and you don't even have to wear a > dress. LinuxChix is for women but it is open to men > also. :-) > > Tina > --- Seth Hollen wrote: > > If I wear a dress can I come? > > There is something about the word LinuxChix which invokes thoughts of breakfast cereal. Logan -- 8:10am up 9:55, 2 users, load average: 1.00, 0.97, 0.87 Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. -- Redd Foxx From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 11 08:59:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA30926 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:59:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA30923 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:59:03 -0500 Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA13206 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:58:33 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 13:57:52 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3EF191.8379F91B@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:07:13 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] My delima Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Here's my dilemma and I'm hoping someone can help steer me in the right direction. I need to have a VPN using IPSec to a company intranet. 1. Should I get a router that supports this such as the linksys or the SMC? a. should I get a wireless router b. Or just a router and add the wireless later? if that is possible. 2. I would like to go wireless if not now in the near future. Are there pcmcia cards that work in a laptop running Linux. 3. Should I take one of my old machines and convert it into a Linux router. I have a Linux router now running Freesco on a 486 but can't get it setup for IPSec. I was looking at Coyote but I would need to replace the 486 with a 64meg P133 or greater to do IPSec. According to Coyote's page. 4. Can a wireless connection be setup on the Linux router at a later date. It looks like most of these use USB. Though some come with there own cards. And I'm not sure if Linux would support this type of setup on the router. 5. Can wireless be added to a commercial router like Linksys BEFSR41 or the SMC / DLink equivalent 6. Cost is a consideration, as this is for personal use and not business use. I would like to keep it under $200 I would like the Linux solution, but setting up IPSec pass through doesn't appear to be to easy. I keep reading about kernel patches to get it to work. Plus getting a machine with more power than the 486. So I'm leaning towards the Linksys BEFSR41, but I did see somewhere on the net that people could only do the setup from Internet Explore, that won't work for me. I like SMC / DLink support for Linux so there router would be a consideration. I know, given enough time I could figure this all out by searching the internet. I have done some preliminary searches already. That's what made the above questions come up:) The problem being I need this solution ASAP and Don't have much time for research, So I'm hoping to tap into the vast knowledge of all the sluggers that might have experience in this area. Mike M. -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:40:34 -0500 Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13320 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:40:04 -0500 Received: from user-33qtuqr.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.251.91] helo=micro.hef) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16P2q2-0002iZ-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:39:23 -0500 Received: (qmail 15216 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 14:53:28 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO mindspring.com) (133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 14:53:28 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3F984D.7050509@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:58:37 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] My delima References: <3C3EF191.8379F91B@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Mike Manchester wrote: >Here's my dilemma and I'm hoping someone can help steer me in the right >direction. I need to have a VPN using IPSec to a company intranet. > >1. Should I get a router that supports this such as the linksys or the >SMC? > a. should I get a wireless router > b. Or just a router and add the wireless later? if that is possible. > >2. I would like to go wireless if not now in the near future. Are there >pcmcia cards that work in a laptop running Linux. > Yes. Aironet (now owned by Cisco), BusLink, and probably most others. Check before buying. > > >3. Should I take one of my old machines and convert it into a Linux >router. I have a Linux router now running Freesco on a 486 but can't >get it setup for IPSec. I was looking at Coyote but I would need to >replace the 486 with a 64meg P133 or greater to do IPSec. According to >Coyote's page. > This works pretty well. You can probably scrounge P133 hardware for cheap, or free. I think there were some Pentiums at our last hardware giveaway? > > >4. Can a wireless connection be setup on the Linux router at a later >date. It looks like most of these use USB. Though some come with there >own cards. And I'm not sure if Linux would support this type of setup on >the router. > Yes, but with a Coyote distro, you will need to re-run the setup utility to create a new floppy, with the appropriate drivers. > > >5. Can wireless be added to a commercial router like Linksys BEFSR41 or >the SMC / DLink equivalent > >6. Cost is a consideration, as this is for personal use and not business >use. I would like to keep it under $200 > That should be easy, unless wireless is really important. I paid ~$150 just for a wireless PCMCIA card, with ISA carrying-bracket. You might be able to buy one cheaper (even used?) today. > >I would like the Linux solution, but setting up IPSec pass through >doesn't appear to be to easy. I keep reading about kernel patches to get >it to work. Plus getting a machine with more power than the 486. So I'm >leaning towards the Linksys BEFSR41, but I did see somewhere on the net >that people could only do the setup from Internet Explore, that won't >work for me. I like SMC / DLink support for Linux so there router would >be a consideration. > >I know, given enough time I could figure this all out by searching the >internet. I have done some preliminary searches already. That's what >made the above questions come up:) The problem being I need this >solution ASAP and Don't have much time for research, So I'm hoping to >tap into the vast knowledge of all the sluggers that might have >experience in this area. > >Mike M. > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 11 11:09:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA31032 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:09:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA31029 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:09:29 -0500 Received: from notes.EQUINOX.COM (notes.equinox.com [63.80.92.4]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13577 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:08:54 -0500 From: JVergara@equinox.com Subject: [SLUG] Detailed question about securing an small business Linux Server To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.7 March 21, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:51:40 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes.EQUINOX.COM/EQNX(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 01/11/2002 10:52:40 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have a question for the security gurus out there about setting up security measures (using Ipchains or other methods) to close ports against eventual break ins. I am using a Linux RH 7.2 with two network cards - eth0 connects to the internal network (192.162.0.) and the eth1 is connected via pppoe to the Internet using ADSL. (so the IP address changes every time you restart pppoe). I am using the Linux server as internal pop server, smtp server (using qmail) , samba server and ssh server. When I run nmap -v in each interface, I get that the POP3 (110), smtp (25), ssh(22), smb, sunrpc(111) are open in both interfaces. How do I do it to close the ports POP3 and samba only for the external interface (eth1 or ppp0 ?) or to deny incoming connections from the internet? Should I close the smtp port for the external interface too? What do you need the sunrpc (111) port open for? Do you know of a good tutorial to understand ipchain rules better? RH 7.2 sets some rules to secure your server but I don't know if they are good enough. Thanks , Juan Vergara From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 11 11:10:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA31042 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:10:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA31039 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:10:09 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA13579 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:09:33 -0500 Received: (qmail 23018 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 16:08:52 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 16:08:52 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:08:51 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] multiple dependencies Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:08:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3C3EF191.8379F91B@yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I am trying to upgrade to the lastest kernel kernel-2.4.9-12 from 2.4.2 to correct the vulnerabilities in the existing one and I am running into so many dependencies that I am feel like I am in a spider web. I am using rpm -ihv to installthe new kernel and then rpm -U to upgrade the dependencies. Is there a way of upgrading kernels that is easier than doing it file by file and getting deeper and deeper into dependencies?? for instance, when I tried to install gcc-2.96-85 I was told that it needed cpp-2.96-85 and when I tried to rpm that in I was told that cpp-2.96-81 was needed by gcc-2.96-81 which is what I am trying to Upgrade,, Do I need to put all the dependencies on one line with my rpm -U command?? Help? Michael C. Rock From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 11 12:01:36 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA31104 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:01:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA31101 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:01:35 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13771 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:00:59 -0500 Received: from icarus (h-64-105-193-229.MIATFLAD.covad.net [64.105.193.229]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0BH0Jl21687 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:00:19 -0500 From: "Seth" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Calling all LinuxChix Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:00:57 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c19ac1$8c01fa30$7d00a8c0@icarus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <1010754812.9621.0.camel@Maria> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It makes me think of those yellow marshmallow Easter chicks :) I don't know if the wife would like me going to this... She might kill me in a rit of fealous jage ;) Seth - -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Logan Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:14 AM To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] Calling all LinuxChix On Thu, 2002-01-10 at 21:41, Tina Gasperson wrote: > Seth, you can come and you don't even have to wear a > dress. LinuxChix is for women but it is open to men > also. :-) > > Tina > --- Seth Hollen wrote: > > If I wear a dress can I come? > > There is something about the word LinuxChix which invokes thoughts of breakfast cereal. Logan - -- 8:10am up 9:55, 2 users, load average: 1.00, 0.97, 0.87 Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. -- Redd Fox -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPD8aSUu+O1SmNwFOEQIlDwCgszJUK+qrxRhTUJre1HyoJnT+KgwAn1kR 7d7kt8L9KlxRvLWy8b99A/98 =ttQF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 11 13:17:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA31260 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:17:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA31257 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:17:32 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA14149 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:17:02 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ra194913 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:18:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c19acc$9b54db00$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Detailed question about securing an small business Linux Server Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:20:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug have you considered using a hardware router/firewall (i.e. 3com, linksys)? The Netscreen has a (relatively) lowcost (appox. $400) router/firewall that is VERY rich in features (bandwidth management, content filtering). It can even respond to two public IPs. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:51 AM Subject: [SLUG] Detailed question about securing an small business Linux Server > > I have a question for the security gurus out there about setting up > security measures (using Ipchains or other methods) to close ports > against eventual break ins. > > I am using a Linux RH 7.2 with two network cards - eth0 connects to > the internal network (192.162.0.) and the eth1 is connected via pppoe > to the Internet using ADSL. (so the IP address changes every time you > restart pppoe). > > I am using the Linux server as internal pop server, smtp server > (using qmail) , samba server and ssh server. > > When I run nmap -v in each interface, I get that the POP3 (110), smtp > (25), ssh(22), smb, sunrpc(111) are open in both interfaces. > > How do I do it to close the ports POP3 and samba only for the external > interface (eth1 or ppp0 ?) or to deny incoming connections from the > internet? > Should I close the smtp port for the external interface too? > > What do you need the sunrpc (111) port open for? > > Do you know of a good tutorial to understand ipchain rules better? > RH 7.2 sets some rules to secure your server but I don't know if they > are good enough. > > Thanks , > > Juan Vergara > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 11 13:18:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA31270 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:18:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA31267 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:18:20 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA14154 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:17:50 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id sa194914 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:19:26 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c19acc$b8142b60$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <3C3EF191.8379F91B@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] My delima Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:20:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug check out the netscreen 5xp at www.netscreen.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Manchester" To: "slug" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:07 AM Subject: [SLUG] My delima > Here's my dilemma and I'm hoping someone can help steer me in the right > direction. I need to have a VPN using IPSec to a company intranet. > > 1. Should I get a router that supports this such as the linksys or the > SMC? > a. should I get a wireless router > b. Or just a router and add the wireless later? if that is possible. > > 2. I would like to go wireless if not now in the near future. Are there > pcmcia cards that work in a laptop running Linux. > > 3. Should I take one of my old machines and convert it into a Linux > router. I have a Linux router now running Freesco on a 486 but can't > get it setup for IPSec. I was looking at Coyote but I would need to > replace the 486 with a 64meg P133 or greater to do IPSec. According to > Coyote's page. > > 4. Can a wireless connection be setup on the Linux router at a later > date. It looks like most of these use USB. Though some come with there > own cards. And I'm not sure if Linux would support this type of setup on > the router. > > 5. Can wireless be added to a commercial router like Linksys BEFSR41 or > the SMC / DLink equivalent > > 6. Cost is a consideration, as this is for personal use and not business > use. I would like to keep it under $200 > > I would like the Linux solution, but setting up IPSec pass through > doesn't appear to be to easy. I keep reading about kernel patches to get > it to work. Plus getting a machine with more power than the 486. So I'm > leaning towards the Linksys BEFSR41, but I did see somewhere on the net > that people could only do the setup from Internet Explore, that won't > work for me. I like SMC / DLink support for Linux so there router would > be a consideration. > > I know, given enough time I could figure this all out by searching the > internet. I have done some preliminary searches already. That's what > made the above questions come up:) The problem being I need this > solution ASAP and Don't have much time for research, So I'm hoping to > tap into the vast knowledge of all the sluggers that might have > experience in this area. > > Mike M. > -- > perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'< c496e657870225f636b6371202d49636f62737f6664702355736b637 > 12a0 > RM > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 11 12:49:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA31212 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:49:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA31209 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:49:13 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14016 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:48:37 -0500 Received: from espresso (6535245hfc180.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.245.180]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0BHlu216273 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:47:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken Billings" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] multiple dependencies Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:47:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm don't know the intricacies of using rpm, but the simple answer is... >Do I need to put all the dependencies on one line with my rpm -U command?? Yes. -Ken From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 11 13:08:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA31221 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:08:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA31218 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:08:51 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA14091 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:08:15 -0500 Received: (qmail 31384 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 18:07:30 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 18:07:30 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:07:27 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] multiple dependencies Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:06:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I answered my own question, I put all the rpm's on one line and now all is well,, Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Mikes work account Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 11:08 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] multiple dependencies I am trying to upgrade to the lastest kernel kernel-2.4.9-12 from 2.4.2 to correct the vulnerabilities in the existing one and I am running into so many dependencies that I am feel like I am in a spider web. I am using rpm -ihv to installthe new kernel and then rpm -U to upgrade the dependencies. Is there a way of upgrading kernels that is easier than doing it file by file and getting deeper and deeper into dependencies?? for instance, when I tried to install gcc-2.96-85 I was told that it needed cpp-2.96-85 and when I tried to rpm that in I was told that cpp-2.96-81 was needed by gcc-2.96-81 which is what I am trying to Upgrade,, Do I need to put all the dependencies on one line with my rpm -U command?? Help? Michael C. Rock From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 11 14:06:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA31342 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:06:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA31339 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:06:53 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14356 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:06:22 -0500 Received: from espresso (6535245hfc180.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.245.180]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0BJ5f220991 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:05:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken Billings" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Detailed question about securing an small business Linux Server Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:05:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm not a linux security guru, but I can answer some of your questions... >I am using the Linux server as internal pop server, smtp server >(using qmail) , samba server and ssh server. >When I run nmap -v in each interface, I get that the POP3 (110), smtp >(25), ssh(22), smb, sunrpc(111) are open in both interfaces. >How do I do it to close the ports POP3 and samba only for the external >interface (eth1 or ppp0 ?) or to deny incoming connections from the >internet? >Should I close the smtp port for the external interface too? >What do you need the sunrpc (111) port open for? >Do you know of a good tutorial to understand ipchain rules better? >RH 7.2 sets some rules to secure your server but I don't know if they >are good enough. First, if you're on RH 7.2, you should be using iptables, not ipchains. I think they actually still default to using the ipchains compatibility module if it's installed. You can rpm -e to get rid of it, or use "chkconfig ipchains off" to just turn it off. If it's installed, iptables should load on startup if ipchains isn't already loaded. If you have the resources, any security person will tell you that a firewall should be doing only firewalling, and nothing else. Any old cheap pentium+ computer should be able to handle that job. In addition, a firewall shouldn't be accessable remotely _at all_. That said, I use ssh to control my firewall box :) , but you should really keep the services to a minimum. If a hacker/worm gets in through a vulnerable service on your firewall, you've just lost your first and best line of defense. I'll take a leap and assume you're using Redhat's default firewall tool in... medium setting? This is probably the simplest way to get what you want. Unfortunately it doesn't leave you much configurability, and hand written rules by someone knowledgeable tend to be a lot better. If I remember correctly, the medium setting sets up halfway decent rules, though. It will deny any connections from the internet unless you specify the incoming port number in the setup screen. Port scanning in this case can get tricky. Make sure you're not trying to scan the machine you're scanning from. If you want to see what's on the internal interface, scan from a machine on the internal net. -This is the tricky part-> If you want a reliable scan of the external interface, scan from a machine out on the internet. Most default rulesets will allow _any_ connection from the internal net, whether that packet is destined for the internal IP or the external IP. This would give you a false "open" indication. To answer the smtp question: If you're using it for internal mail only, then no, it doesn't need to be open. If you're using it for regular internet email, then yes, it does. :) Same with pop3. If you want people to be able to check their mail from home or whatever, then it needs to be open also. I'm not too familiar with the mail side of things, so someone else can cover general smtp security, not related to the firewall itself. sunrpc: If you're not using a service that requires it, then you don't need it and you should turn it off. It shouldn't be accessable from the internet anyway unless you have some special case I'm not aware of. The only major service needing it that you might be using is nfs. Most of the others I'm aware of that need it are stuff you'd never want to have on a firewall anyway. (remote user lists and statuses, etc) I really should get back to work, so I'll leave you with these links: http://www.iptables.org (www.netfilter.org goes to the same place) http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/index.html to get specific. :) http://netfilter.samba.org/unreliable-guides/ http://www.linuxguruz.org/iptables/ - Has lots of example scripts -Ken From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 11 19:14:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA31941 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:14:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA31938 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:14:06 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15792 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:13:31 -0500 Received: from espresso (6535245hfc180.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.245.180]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0C0Co204774 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:12:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken Billings" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Detailed question about securing an small business Linux Server Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:12:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm not a linux security guru, but I can answer some of your questions... >I am using the Linux server as internal pop server, smtp server >(using qmail) , samba server and ssh server. >When I run nmap -v in each interface, I get that the POP3 (110), smtp >(25), ssh(22), smb, sunrpc(111) are open in both interfaces. >How do I do it to close the ports POP3 and samba only for the external >interface (eth1 or ppp0 ?) or to deny incoming connections from the >internet? >Should I close the smtp port for the external interface too? >What do you need the sunrpc (111) port open for? >Do you know of a good tutorial to understand ipchain rules better? >RH 7.2 sets some rules to secure your server but I don't know if they >are good enough. First, if you're on RH 7.2, you should be using iptables, not ipchains. I think they actually still default to using the ipchains compatibility module if it's installed. You can rpm -e to get rid of it, or use "chkconfig ipchains off" to just turn it off. If it's installed, iptables should load on startup if ipchains isn't already loaded. If you have the resources, any security person will tell you that a firewall should be doing only firewalling, and nothing else. Any old cheap pentium+ computer should be able to handle that job. In addition, a firewall shouldn't be accessable remotely _at all_. That said, I use ssh to control my firewall box :) , but you should really keep the services to a minimum. If a hacker/worm gets in through a vulnerable service on your firewall, you've just lost your first and best line of defense. I'll take a leap and assume you're using Redhat's default firewall tool in... medium setting? This is probably the simplest way to get what you want. Unfortunately it doesn't leave you much configurability, and hand written rules by someone knowledgeable tend to be a lot better. If I remember correctly, the medium setting sets up halfway decent rules, though. It will deny any connections from the internet unless you specify the incoming port number in the setup screen. Port scanning in this case can get tricky. Make sure you're not trying to scan the machine you're scanning from. If you want to see what's on the internal interface, scan from a machine on the internal net. -This is the tricky part-> If you want a reliable scan of the external interface, scan from a machine out on the internet. Most default rulesets will allow _any_ connection from the internal net, whether that packet is destined for the internal IP or the external IP. This would give you a false "open" indication. To answer the smtp question: If you're using it for internal mail only, then no, it doesn't need to be open. If you're using it for regular internet email, then yes, it does. :) Same with pop3. If you want people to be able to check their mail from home or whatever, then it needs to be open also. I'm not too familiar with the mail side of things, so someone else can cover general smtp security, not related to the firewall itself. sunrpc: If you're not using a service that requires it, then you don't need it and you should turn it off. It shouldn't be accessable from the internet anyway unless you have some special case I'm not aware of. The only major service needing it that you might be using is nfs. Most of the others I'm aware of that need it are stuff you'd never want to have on a firewall anyway. (remote user lists and statuses, etc) I really should get back to work, so I'll leave you with these links: www.iptables.org (www.netfilter.org goes to the same place) www.netfilter.org/documentation/index.html to get specific. :) netfilter.samba.org/unreliable-guides/ www.linuxguruz.org/iptables/ - Has lots of example scripts -Ken From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 11 19:15:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA31946 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:15:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA31943 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:15:10 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15800 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:14:38 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA04327 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:13:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firewall presentation From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <02011020475802.03804@gecko.hast.org> References: <1010601758.18157.8.camel@two> <02011020475802.03804@gecko.hast.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 11 Jan 2002 19:13:56 -0500 Message-Id: <1010794437.862.0.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2002-01-10 at 20:47, Chuck Hast wrote: > I have a question for you. I am trying to get LINUX into our company. > We have a small VPN box which allows 10 VPN's in the mean time > we have sent a load of people home to work. I would like to find a > LINUX based VPN that we can set up to handle our needs (there are > about 50 of us of the which probably about 25 are working at home > and soon even more of them will be doing so) Since everything is > still MS they want to be able to see the network neighborhood, and > all the other "great" MS toys over the VPN. > > Do you have any recommendations? I would say using FreeS/WAN and whatever IPSEC implementation on the other end would probably work. I think W2K is supposed to have a compatible IPSEC implementation built-in. Check out http://www.freeswan.org/ and look around in the documentation section for "compatibility" stuff. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 11 21:13:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA32032 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:13:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA32029 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:13:11 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16130 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:12:36 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0C2BtW28179 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:11:55 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] firewall -- Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:16:27 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011121162700.01670@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Kinda odd that so many people are talking about firewalls lately - work just got hit with the biggest virus blast I think they've ever had. I only had time to get to 3 support calls, when more than 25 came in. That said, I just got permission today to install a Linux firewall :) Kinda nice, since the company writes programs for windows ;) I need to have virus-scanning software on it, and I'm looking for something that might integrate with iptables. I found a few programs on the net, and while they're expensive, they'll do the job nicely - except that I don't know if they work with iptables. It has to scan smtp, http, and ftp, and quarantine anything resembling all these W32.*.whatever worms, trojans, virii, etc.... Anyone have any ideas/recommendations? (besides not doing the scanning on the firewall....) Glen From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 12 00:01:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA32183 for slug-track29; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:01:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA32180 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:01:44 -0500 Received: from pop007pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.234]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16557 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:01:14 -0500 Received: from Desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-188.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.188]) by pop007pub.verizon.net with SMTP ; id g0C50bSM013169 Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:00:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <022001c19b25$fd42e740$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: Subject: [SLUG] Alternative Microsoft Settlement Option? Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:00:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Microsoft has offered $1 Billion to America's schools in what they consider to be a reasonable restitution for what others have deemed the cost of its anti-competitive practices. I think we ought to accept that number ... but require a different remedy. Apple Computer, defending their own turf, rejects Microsoft's self-serving suggestion that they emulate Apple and flood the school systems with 200,000 non-Apple PC's. There is a third option that, in contrast to Microsoft and Apple, provides for long-term value of the donated computers and other hardware. Microsoft should donate 200,000 computers, with printers, networking hardware, and everything necessary to connect them -- but Linux should be installed on them. The value of the hardware should be most of the $1b. Linux is free and will remain such, so the schools will have long-term usability of the hardware with free operating system and software upgrades. (Linux is more efficient with hardware resources so the less-than- cutting-edge PC's will retain their value for many years.) A remainder of the $1b not spent on hardware would be placed in an interest-bearing scholarship fund made available to students and the college-age children of members of the community who donate their time to maintain the Linux systems. This would represent a just resolve to Microsoft's effort to trash its competitors without enabling Microsoft to do more of the same as part of its restitution. I think it is called "poetic justice"? Just a thought ... Doc in Florida ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Judge Rejects Proposed Microsoft Settlement in Class-Action Suit Friday, January 11, 2002 Email this Article BALTIMORE - A federal judge Friday rejected Microsoft's offer to donate computers and software to schools to settle a class-action lawsuit accusing it of overcharging for its products. U.S. District Judge J. Frederick Motz said the settlement is "critically underfunded" and would have anticompetitive effects on the market, especially on Microsoft rival Apple Computer. Microsoft had offered to give software, 200,000 refurbished computers and other resources the company valued at $1 billion to the nation's poorest public schools. Apple argued in December that the agreement would give Microsoft an unfair advantage by encouraging schools to acquire Microsoft products. "The agreement raises legitimate questions since it appears to provide a means for flooding a part of the kindergarten through high school market in which Microsoft has not traditionally been the strongest player (particularly in relation to Apple) with Microsoft software and refurbished PCs," Motz wrote in a 21-page opinion. Motz also said the "widely divergent views" between estimates of the value of the claims being settled prevented him from granting approval. Microsoft had argued that it could be responsible for as little as $200 million, while some economists for the plaintiffs estimated the company's liability to be upwards of $18.9 billion. Microsoft and some of the plaintiffs' attorneys agreed to the settlement in November. But other attorneys and educators -- notably lawyers for California plaintiffs -- have opposed the deal, arguing it would increase Microsoft's share in the education market and not best serve the neediest schools. Meetings with a mediator to discuss possible changes to the settlement did not produce any results because some litigants were "too far away from what we considered realistic," Microsoft lawyer David Tulchin said Friday. The lawsuits, which began in 1999, are separate from antitrust suits brought by states and the federal government. Microsoft lawyers argued the settlement would have helped close the "digital divide" between rich and poor students nationwide. At a hearing last month, lawyers from California said the settlement did not reflect the needs and laws of different states. "There's too much diversity here," said Daniel Furniss, lead counsel for plaintiffs in California. Calls Friday to Furniss' Palo Alto-based law firm -- Townsend, Townsend and Crew -- were not immediately returned. Shares of Microsoft fell 68 cents to $68.60 on the Nasdaq Stock Market. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 12 02:30:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA32335 for slug-track29; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:30:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA32332 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:30:46 -0500 Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA16947 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:30:15 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2002 07:29:31 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3FE051.8060202@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:05:53 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Alternative Microsoft Settlement Option? References: <022001c19b25$fd42e740$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Gives you that warm "I just stuffed myself full of herring" feeling that a penguin gets when things go the way they should... Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 12 09:00:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA32758 for slug-track29; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:00:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA32755 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:00:06 -0500 Received: from web11403.mail.yahoo.com (web11403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.233]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA18538 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:59:35 -0500 Message-ID: <20020112135855.49568.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.42.208.146] by web11403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 05:58:55 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 05:58:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: Re: [SLUG] Alternative Microsoft Settlement Option? To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <022001c19b25$fd42e740$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Greetings. Doc, Bill.. or one of the HAMS, Can one of you tell me where on Fowler this tech class license test is today ? and its at 1 PM.. THanks ! Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 12 09:12:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA00303 for slug-track29; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:12:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA00300 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:12:43 -0500 Received: from web11403.mail.yahoo.com (web11403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.233]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA18569 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:12:12 -0500 Message-ID: <20020112141132.50835.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.42.208.146] by web11403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:11:32 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: [SLUG] HAM Help... Better title for message !! ( sorry ) To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20020112135855.49568.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --- Mark Banschbach wrote: > Greetings. Doc, Bill.. or one of the HAMS, > > Can one of you tell me where on Fowler this tech > class license test is today ? and its at 1 PM.. > > > THanks ! > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 12 09:40:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA00313 for slug-track29; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:40:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA00310 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:40:34 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18612 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:39:59 -0500 Received: from midas.lan (6535195hfc126.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.195.126]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0CEd4l22335 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:39:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] firewall -- From: Seth Hollen To: "Slug@Nks. Net" In-Reply-To: <02011121162700.01670@24285hfc17> References: <02011121162700.01670@24285hfc17> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.0.99+cvs.2001.12.18.08.57 (Preview Release) Date: 12 Jan 2002 09:37:49 -0500 Message-Id: <1010846269.5042.1.camel@midas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug try here http://linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4882 Issue 92: Building an E-mail Virus Detection System for Your Network Seth On Fri, 2002-01-11 at 21:16, Glen wrote: > > Kinda odd that so many people are talking about firewalls lately - work just > got hit with the biggest virus blast I think they've ever had. I only had > time to get to 3 support calls, when more than 25 came in. > > That said, I just got permission today to install a Linux firewall :) Kinda > nice, since the company writes programs for windows ;) > > I need to have virus-scanning software on it, and I'm looking for something > that might integrate with iptables. I found a few programs on the net, and > while they're expensive, they'll do the job nicely - except that I don't know > if they work with iptables. It has to scan smtp, http, and ftp, and > quarantine anything resembling all these W32.*.whatever worms, trojans, > virii, etc.... > > Anyone have any ideas/recommendations? (besides not doing the scanning on the > firewall....) > > Glen > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 12 10:10:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA00332 for slug-track29; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:10:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA00329 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:10:11 -0500 Received: from web12508.mail.yahoo.com (web12508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.200]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18675 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:09:40 -0500 Message-ID: <20020112150859.42228.qmail@web12508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.35.252.12] by web12508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 07:08:59 PST Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 07:08:59 -0800 (PST) From: ter swartz Subject: Re: [SLUG] firewall -- To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <02011121162700.01670@24285hfc17> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is definitely for an enterprise solution, but this is one of the solutions we use at work. http://www.antivirus.com/products/isvw/default.asp InterScan® VirusWall I believe that Trend provides free evaluation copies, but the purchase price is chunk of $, but it has been effective in a M$ enviroment, while running on a UNIX box. We strip most attachments (such as .exe's and .vbs's) with e-mail. Also block web based e-mail, so that all e-mail must come through "Exchange". Nimba was our most significant threat, but about 10 machines out of 750 where infected. Only 2 of those we had to format, since they where to badly infected to recover. We are pretty sure these machines where infected from "Trusted" servers from another Domain within our intranet. Otherwise, the Trend software has been pretty effective. Pete __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 12 19:06:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA00728 for slug-track29; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:06:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA00725 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:06:45 -0500 Received: from zorak.illusionary.lan (653231hfc40.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.31.40]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20199 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:06:14 -0500 Received: from illusionary.com (wraith [192.168.10.10]) by zorak.illusionary.lan (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA04927 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:05:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: zorak.illusionary.lan: Host wraith [192.168.10.10] claimed to be illusionary.com Message-ID: <3C40CF3B.4AEA7243@illusionary.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:05:18 -0500 From: Derek Glidden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.16-xfs i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] firewall -- References: <02011121162700.01670@24285hfc17> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Glen wrote: > > Kinda odd that so many people are talking about firewalls lately - work just > got hit with the biggest virus blast I think they've ever had. I only had > time to get to 3 support calls, when more than 25 came in. > > That said, I just got permission today to install a Linux firewall :) Kinda > nice, since the company writes programs for windows ;) > > I need to have virus-scanning software on it, and I'm looking for something > that might integrate with iptables. I found a few programs on the net, and > while they're expensive, they'll do the job nicely - except that I don't know > if they work with iptables. It has to scan smtp, http, and ftp, and > quarantine anything resembling all these W32.*.whatever worms, trojans, > virii, etc.... > > Anyone have any ideas/recommendations? (besides not doing the scanning on the > firewall....) To do this, you're either going to have to pick virus scanning software that will run as proxies (i.e. it will have to act as SMTP, HTTP and FTP proxies) which you will run on the firewall and all connections outbound will have to go through one of those proxies or be denied, or the software will have to support the REDIRECT option in IPtables that allows the firewall to redirect packets going through it to an external application, similar to, but not identical to, acting as a proxy. Are you talking about scanning inbound or outbound traffic or both? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- With Microsoft products, failure is not an option -- it's a standard component. Choose your life. Choose your future. Derek Glidden Choose Linux. http://www.illusionary.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 12 22:24:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA00950 for slug-track29; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:24:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA00947 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:24:28 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20783 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:23:53 -0500 Received: (qmail 19906 invoked by uid 508); 13 Jan 2002 03:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (24.164.21.236) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 03:22:54 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.29] (helo=[192.168.2.29] ident=[HBakTkHqZ4n7mNBmq3CdzVI/RkR3MPIs]) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16PbER-00029u-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:22:51 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:22:44 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-X-Sender: To: Subject: [SLUG] Question and Request .. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug First the question: I've got a dell lattitude cp m233xt laptop .. It has a touchpad mouse that works fine with gpm and X .. the only problem is that X reads the right mouse button as "Button 3" .. I've verified this using 'xev' (a nice little utility that monitors X events.. great for programming those "start" buttons on MS keyboards) For now I've just changed my mappings so that "Button 3" acts like "Button 2" but this is still annoying.. the following is my XF86Config-4 section on the mouse Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" Option "Protocol" "PS/2" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on" #Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Does anyone have any idea on how to remedy this? (This occurs when I plug in a regular PS/2 mouse also.. so I'm really at a loss with this one) Now the request: If anyone happens to have a PS/2 to AT Keyboard adapter laying around that they would be willing to part with please let me know.. Thanks, Jason -- "Without documentation you can never know what the code was meant to do, only what it does" -- Rik van Riel (#kernelnewbies) From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 13 00:11:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA01018 for slug-track29; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:11:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01015 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:11:38 -0500 Received: from out007pub.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21024 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:11:08 -0500 Received: from Desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-188.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.188]) by out007pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g0D5ARN28428 Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:10:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <02e101c19bf0$86da6300$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: References: <20020112135855.49568.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Alternative Microsoft Settlement Option? Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:09:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Did you find it? I was away down in Sarasota all day. doc > Can one of you tell me where on Fowler this tech > class license test is today ? and its at 1 PM.. > THanks ! > Mark From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 13 13:26:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA06558 for slug-track29; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:26:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA06555 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:26:24 -0500 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA23340 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:25:53 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 18:25:12 -0000 Message-ID: <3C41D101.5080600@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:25:05 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Windows 95 source code revealed!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Just ran across this. Apparently it's a portion of the Win95 source code. Gnorb --------------------------------- Subject: *** TOP SECRET MICROSOFT CODE *** Project: Version - Windows 95 Microsoft marketing strategy (MARKET.EXE): #include #include #include /* Microsoft Network Connectivity library */ #include /* For the court of law */ #define say(x) lie(x) #define computeruser ALL_WANT_TO_BUY_OUR_BUGWARE #define next_year soon #define the_product_is_ready_to_ship another_beta_version void main() { if (latest_window_version>one_month_old) { if (there_are_still_bugs) market(bugfix); if (sales_drop_below_certain_point) raise(RUMOURS_ABOUT_A_NEW_BUGLESS_VERSION); } while(everyone_chats_about_new_version) { make_false_promise(it_will_be_multitasking); /* Standard Call, in lie.h */ if (rumours_grow_wilder) make_false_promise(it_will_be_plug_n_play); if (rumours_grow_even_wilder) { market_time=ripe; say("It will be ready in one month); order(programmers, stop_fixing_bugs_in_old_version); order(programmers, start_brainstorm_about_new_version); order(marketingstaff, permission_to_spread_nonsense); vapourware=TRUE; break; } } switch (nasty_questions_of_the_worldpress) { case WHEN_WILL_IT_BE_READY: say("It will be ready in", today+30_days," we're just testing"); break; case WILL_THIS_PLUG_AND_PLAY_THING_WORK: say("Yes it will work"); ask(programmers, why_does_it_not_work); pretend(there_is_no_problem); break; case WHAT_ARE_MINIMAL_HARDWARE_REQUIREMENTS: say("It will run on a 8086 with lightning speed due to" " the 32 bits architecture"); inform(INTEL, "Pentium sales will rise skyhigh"); inform(SAMSUNG, "Start a new memorychip plant" "'cos all those customers will need at least 32 megs"); inform(QUANTUM, "Thanks to our fatware your sales will triple"); get_big_bonus(INTEL, SAMSUNG, QUANTUM); break; case DOES_MICROSOFT_GET_TOO_MUCH_INFLUENCE: say("Oh no, we are just here to make a better world for everyone"); register(journalist, Big_Bill_Book); when(time_is_ripe) { arrest(journalist); brainwash(journalist); when(journalist_says_windows95_is_bugfree) { order(journalist, "write a nice objective article"); release (journalist); } } break; } while (vapourware) { introduction_date++; /* Delay */ if (no_one_believes_anymore_there_will_be_a_release) break; say("It will be ready in",today+ONE_MONTH); } release(beta_version) while (everyone_is_dumb_enough_to_buy_our_bugware) { bills_bank_account += 150*megabucks; release(new_and_even_better_beta_version); introduce(more_memory_requirements); if (customers_report_installation_problems) { say("that is a hardware problem, not a software problem"); if (smart_customer_says_but_you_promised_plug_and_play) { ignore(customer); order(microsoft_intelligence_agency, "Keep an eye on this bastard"); } } if (there_is_another_company) { steal(their_ideas); accuse(compagny, stealing_our_ideas); hire(a_lot_of_lawyers); /* in process.h */ wait(until_other_company_cannot_afford_another_lawsuit); buy_out(other_company); } } /* Now everyone realizes that we sell bugware and they are all angry at us */ order(plastic_surgeon, make_bill_look_like_poor_bastard); buy(nice_little_island); hire(harem); laugh_at(everyone, for_having_the_patience_year_after_year_for_another_unfinished_version); } void bugfix(void) { charge (a_lot_of_money) if (customer_says_he_does_not_want_to_pay_for_bugfix) say("It is not a bugfix but a new version"); if (still_complaints) { ignore(customer); register(customer, big_Bill_book); /* We'll get him when everyone uses Billware!!*/ } } _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 13 14:35:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA06619 for slug-track29; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:35:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA06616 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:35:39 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23530 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:35:09 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0DJYO226285 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:34:24 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question and Request .. Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:38:10 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011314381001.01361@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Those original mappings were right - button 2 is supposed to be emulated by pressing both buttons together. Well, that's the default setup, anyway. Glen On Saturday 12 January 2002 22:22, you wrote: > First the question: > > I've got a dell lattitude cp m233xt laptop .. It has a touchpad mouse that > works fine with gpm and X .. the only problem is that X reads the right > mouse button as "Button 3" .. I've verified this using 'xev' (a nice > little utility that monitors X events.. great for programming those > "start" buttons on MS keyboards) For now I've just changed my mappings so > that "Button 3" acts like "Button 2" but this is still annoying.. the > following is my XF86Config-4 section on the mouse > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > Option "Protocol" "PS/2" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on" > #Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" > EndSection > > > Does anyone have any idea on how to remedy this? (This occurs when I plug > in a regular PS/2 mouse also.. so I'm really at a loss with this one) > > Now the request: > > If anyone happens to have a PS/2 to AT Keyboard adapter laying around that > they would be willing to part with please let me know.. > > > Thanks, > Jason From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 13 14:00:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA06574 for slug-track29; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:00:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA06571 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:00:31 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23426 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:59:55 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc17 (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0DIxEW25989 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:59:15 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] firewall -- Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:03:49 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <02011121162700.01670@24285hfc17> <3C40CF3B.4AEA7243@illusionary.com> In-Reply-To: <3C40CF3B.4AEA7243@illusionary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011314034900.01361@24285hfc17> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Both. The second option is what I had in mind. Pete's suggestion is what I'm looking at now; I've already called them in fact. I just need to have a few options. I'll also check that LJ article that someone else sent in. I did the OS install on it yesterday. I had *no idea* that FTP installs were so slow!!! Glen > > To do this, you're either going to have to pick virus scanning software > that will run as proxies (i.e. it will have to act as SMTP, HTTP and FTP > proxies) which you will run on the firewall and all connections outbound > will have to go through one of those proxies or be denied, or the > software will have to support the REDIRECT option in IPtables that > allows the firewall to redirect packets going through it to an external > application, similar to, but not identical to, acting as a proxy. > > Are you talking about scanning inbound or outbound traffic or both? From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 13 15:35:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA06662 for slug-track29; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:35:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA06659 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:35:20 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA23698 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:34:45 -0500 Received: (qmail 30914 invoked by uid 508); 13 Jan 2002 20:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (24.164.21.236) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 20:33:50 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.29] (helo=[192.168.2.29] ident=[IYl4r8+GD2i0qPRx0AiLebsZtSI6kVV2]) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16PrK1-0002SB-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:33:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:33:37 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question and Request .. In-Reply-To: <02011314381001.01361@24285hfc17> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug hmm.. yeah.. I just chceked on my desktop.. ok... that just seems odd to me.. but.. I found a way to change it anyways =) in my .Xmodmap I added the line pointer = 1 3 2 thanks On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Glen wrote: > > Those original mappings were right - button 2 is supposed to be emulated by > pressing both buttons together. Well, that's the default setup, anyway. > > Glen > > > On Saturday 12 January 2002 22:22, you wrote: > > First the question: > > > > I've got a dell lattitude cp m233xt laptop .. It has a touchpad mouse that > > works fine with gpm and X .. the only problem is that X reads the right > > mouse button as "Button 3" .. I've verified this using 'xev' (a nice > > little utility that monitors X events.. great for programming those > > "start" buttons on MS keyboards) For now I've just changed my mappings so > > that "Button 3" acts like "Button 2" but this is still annoying.. the > > following is my XF86Config-4 section on the mouse From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 13 16:48:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA06721 for slug-track29; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:48:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA06689 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:09:04 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f62.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.62]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23799 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:08:34 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:07:53 -0800 Received: from 65.32.114.250 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:07:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.32.114.250] From: "Steven Johnson" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Windows 95 source code revealed!!! Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:07:53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2002 21:07:53.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DB08CD0:01C19C76] Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Is there any way that we could possibly make a new years resolution to post this stuff in the slug-pol list? Yes, this is funny. Yes, this is humorous. But quite frankly I am a little tired of reading messages that bash MS on linux lists. Is there not enough linux news out there? ----Original Message Follows---- From: Norbert Cartagena Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Windows 95 source code revealed!!! Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:25:05 -0500 Just ran across this. Apparently it's a portion of the Win95 source code. Gnorb --------------------------------- Subject: *** TOP SECRET MICROSOFT CODE *** Project: Version - Windows 95 Microsoft marketing strategy (MARKET.EXE): #include #include #include /* Microsoft Network Connectivity library */ #include /* For the court of law */ #define say(x) lie(x) #define computeruser ALL_WANT_TO_BUY_OUR_BUGWARE #define next_year soon #define the_product_is_ready_to_ship another_beta_version void main() { if (latest_window_version>one_month_old) { if (there_are_still_bugs) market(bugfix); if (sales_drop_below_certain_point) raise(RUMOURS_ABOUT_A_NEW_BUGLESS_VERSION); } while(everyone_chats_about_new_version) { make_false_promise(it_will_be_multitasking); /* Standard Call, in lie.h */ if (rumours_grow_wilder) make_false_promise(it_will_be_plug_n_play); if (rumours_grow_even_wilder) { market_time=ripe; say("It will be ready in one month); order(programmers, stop_fixing_bugs_in_old_version); order(programmers, start_brainstorm_about_new_version); order(marketingstaff, permission_to_spread_nonsense); vapourware=TRUE; break; } } switch (nasty_questions_of_the_worldpress) { case WHEN_WILL_IT_BE_READY: say("It will be ready in", today+30_days," we're just testing"); break; case WILL_THIS_PLUG_AND_PLAY_THING_WORK: say("Yes it will work"); ask(programmers, why_does_it_not_work); pretend(there_is_no_problem); break; case WHAT_ARE_MINIMAL_HARDWARE_REQUIREMENTS: say("It will run on a 8086 with lightning speed due to" " the 32 bits architecture"); inform(INTEL, "Pentium sales will rise skyhigh"); inform(SAMSUNG, "Start a new memorychip plant" "'cos all those customers will need at least 32 megs"); inform(QUANTUM, "Thanks to our fatware your sales will triple"); get_big_bonus(INTEL, SAMSUNG, QUANTUM); break; case DOES_MICROSOFT_GET_TOO_MUCH_INFLUENCE: say("Oh no, we are just here to make a better world for everyone"); register(journalist, Big_Bill_Book); when(time_is_ripe) { arrest(journalist); brainwash(journalist); when(journalist_says_windows95_is_bugfree) { order(journalist, "write a nice objective article"); release (journalist); } } break; } while (vapourware) { introduction_date++; /* Delay */ if (no_one_believes_anymore_there_will_be_a_release) break; say("It will be ready in",today+ONE_MONTH); } release(beta_version) while (everyone_is_dumb_enough_to_buy_our_bugware) { bills_bank_account += 150*megabucks; release(new_and_even_better_beta_version); introduce(more_memory_requirements); if (customers_report_installation_problems) { say("that is a hardware problem, not a software problem"); if (smart_customer_says_but_you_promised_plug_and_play) { ignore(customer); order(microsoft_intelligence_agency, "Keep an eye on this bastard"); } } if (there_is_another_company) { steal(their_ideas); accuse(compagny, stealing_our_ideas); hire(a_lot_of_lawyers); /* in process.h */ wait(until_other_company_cannot_afford_another_lawsuit); buy_out(other_company); } } /* Now everyone realizes that we sell bugware and they are all angry at us */ order(plastic_surgeon, make_bill_look_like_poor_bastard); buy(nice_little_island); hire(harem); laugh_at(everyone, for_having_the_patience_year_after_year_for_another_unfinished_version); } void bugfix(void) { charge (a_lot_of_money) if (customer_says_he_does_not_want_to_pay_for_bugfix) say("It is not a bugfix but a new version"); if (still_complaints) { ignore(customer); register(customer, big_Bill_book); /* We'll get him when everyone uses Billware!!*/ } } _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 13 17:19:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA06737 for slug-track29; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:19:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA06734 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:19:53 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23977 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:19:17 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0DMIaW06779 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:18:36 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:09:33 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: [SLUG] redirecting tty to a file Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I thought redirecting tty output to a file could be done with a redirector ">" I'm having trouble with this in Debian: dpkg -i gcc-BLAH-BLAH.deb > /home/someuser/install.txt I don't get the entire output in the file. On the screen, I should be seeing prompt after prompt. Instead I'm seeing reporting on the screen, and I'm also not seeing much in the text file (two measly lines). I want to get this stuff verbatim in case it's a bug with Debian Sparc Potato > Woody upgrades. How do I correctly dump everything from this command into a text file instead of the screen? Also, is there a way to have the system automatically log what goes to and from a tty to a text file? This would be for future journalizing purposes (duh, what did I do?). Mario From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 13 19:00:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA06795 for slug-track29; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:00:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA06792 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:00:48 -0500 Received: from hank.mjudge.net (adsl-21-239-234.mco.bellsouth.net [66.21.239.234]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24241 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:00:12 -0500 Received: from beavis.mjudge.net (beavis.mjudge.net [192.168.1.2]) by hank.mjudge.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0DNxWL30244 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:59:32 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian Coyle Organization: CHAOS -- That's a level of organization, isn't it? To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] redirecting tty to a file Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:59:31 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011318593101.06932@beavis.mjudge.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 13 January 2002 17:09, Mario Lombardo wrote: > I thought redirecting tty output to a file could be done with a redirector > ">" > > I'm having trouble with this in Debian: > > dpkg -i gcc-BLAH-BLAH.deb > /home/someuser/install.txt > > I don't get the entire output in the file. There are two files that usually get sent to the tty, stdout and stderr. You need to redirect both with something like this: $ dpkg -i gcc-BLAH-BLAH.deb > /home/someuser/install.txt 2>&1 stdout is (usually) assigned to file descriptor #1, strerr to #2. Specifying '2>&1' says to send the fd #2 output to the same place as fd #1. HTH! - -- GPG Key fingerprint = AE1C 123A 1153 8A63 E8A9 FAEA 111D CCB8 7527 701B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Qh9jER3MuHUncBsRApBdAJ0UA7jEFqLFz2bab+co4/6T5SsKkQCfTEOW OzIgrVCusYWnncJoZwqOXcI= =Uog3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 13 18:28:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA06784 for slug-track29; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:28:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA06781 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:28:53 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA24166 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:28:22 -0500 Received: (qmail 28793 invoked by uid 508); 13 Jan 2002 23:27:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (24.164.21.236) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 23:27:39 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=jcopenha) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16Pu2E-0002U9-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:27:30 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:27:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] redirecting tty to a file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug check out a utility called 'script' or 'scripts' can't remeber.. It records everything.. screen output. and what you type in.. very nice for what you are talking about =) Jason On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Mario Lombardo wrote: > I thought redirecting tty output to a file could be done with a redirector ">" > > I'm having trouble with this in Debian: > > dpkg -i gcc-BLAH-BLAH.deb > /home/someuser/install.txt > > I don't get the entire output in the file. On the screen, I should > be seeing prompt after prompt. Instead I'm seeing reporting on the > screen, and I'm also not seeing much in the text file (two measly > lines). I want to get this stuff verbatim in case it's a bug with > Debian Sparc Potato > Woody upgrades. > > How do I correctly dump everything from this command into a text file > instead of the screen? Also, is there a way to have the system > automatically log what goes to and from a tty to a text file? This > would be for future journalizing purposes (duh, what did I do?). > > Mario > > From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 13 19:26:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA06814 for slug-track29; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:26:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA06811 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:26:11 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24349 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:25:35 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (24285hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.17]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0E0Os221332 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:24:54 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] redirecting tty to a file Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:29:21 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011319292100.01367@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I thought that redirector was supposed to be &>. Ex: dpkg -i gcc.xxx.deb &> file Glen On Sunday 13 January 2002 17:09, you wrote: > I thought redirecting tty output to a file could be done with a redirector > ">" > > I'm having trouble with this in Debian: > > dpkg -i gcc-BLAH-BLAH.deb > /home/someuser/install.txt > > I don't get the entire output in the file. On the screen, I should > be seeing prompt after prompt. Instead I'm seeing reporting on the > screen, and I'm also not seeing much in the text file (two measly > lines). I want to get this stuff verbatim in case it's a bug with > Debian Sparc Potato > Woody upgrades. > > How do I correctly dump everything from this command into a text file > instead of the screen? Also, is there a way to have the system > automatically log what goes to and from a tty to a text file? This > would be for future journalizing purposes (duh, what did I do?). > > Mario From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 13 19:35:37 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA06825 for slug-track29; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:35:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA06822 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:35:26 -0500 Received: from out002pub.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.102]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24376 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:34:56 -0500 Received: from Desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-188.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.188]) by out002pub.verizon.net with SMTP ; id g0E0YFd08375 Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:34:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <040701c19c93$122625a0$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: Cc: Subject: [SLUG] Anyone on the List Sell CPUs & memory? Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:33:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Anyone on the list sell this stuff new, or used-but-not-overclocked-and- cooked? I need a Duron 700 or better CPU, a suitable cooling fan, and a 256m SDRAM DIMM for my ASUS A7V133 (KT133A chipset) mobo. I tried last week to order it online from "Sofisiticated Software & Hardware" (should have known better considering the name). They waited 7 days as the prices on memory rose and then E-mailed to say they were out of memory. Grrr. Here is what I had ordered: 256MB PC133 (Toshiba,IBM,Hyundai,Samsung,NEC) SDRAM $29. AMD 700MHz DURON 15day warranty $34. ThermalTake up to 1.5GHz Volcano IIF AMD Cooler $7. Shipping $14.53 Total $84.53 Am still looking online but would always prefer to spend with friends and expect I will have to more now that they wasted my important pre-price- increase time. Sigh. Thanks! doc From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 13 20:28:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA06853 for slug-track29; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:28:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA06850 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:28:12 -0500 Received: from bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.72]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24542 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:27:36 -0500 Received: from louise (24161253hfc11.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.253.11]) by bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0E1Pvw10984 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:25:57 -0500 Message-ID: <00e501c19c9a$8f08cda0$0231a8c0@sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] NAT Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:14:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Did you find anything in the Linux Documentation Project? http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/DSL-HOWTO/index.html I posted the iptables firewall presented by Derek several weeks ago. If you missed it, I can post it again. Larry :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Hires Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:08 PM Subject: [SLUG] NAT > Help... > I want to use my linux machine as a firewall. I also want to do Network > Address Translation (I've got a couple of PC's I want to have access to the > internet). I've got DSL, though, which throws a wrench into things. I've got > eth1 connected to an ethernet hub, and technically, eth0 is connected to the > outside world. But my external assigned internet address is actually on ppp0; > eth0 doesn't have an ip address. I've got a 2.4.17 kernel, so I know I'll be > using iptables. > Can anyone help? > Thanks! > Russell Hires From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 13 21:30:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA06883 for slug-track29; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:30:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA06880 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:30:12 -0500 Received: from bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.72]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24722 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:29:37 -0500 Received: from louise (24161253hfc11.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.253.11]) by bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0E2Saw10320 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:28:36 -0500 Message-ID: <018a01c19ca3$4f67f5a0$0231a8c0@sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <20020110204727.33949.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com> <1010705400.982.10.camel@two> Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM prevention Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:24:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This would be a great presentation. If you don't use it, WHO? Who could/would do a presentation on setting this up. Say start with RedHat or other Distro.... Larry :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek Glidden Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM prevention > On Thu, 2002-01-10 at 15:47, Tina Gasperson wrote: > > So, help me here. :) Are you saying that I *don't* > > need to have access to a mail server to use these > > tools if I set up Fetchmail? > > Fetchmail supports bloody every known method of mail delivery mechanisms > to pull mail off of "some server someplace" and put it on "your > server/mail client somewhere else." So it can take mail from a machine > you _don't_ have administrative access to, and put it on a machine you > _do_, all as if the mail were getting delivered via normal channels. I > don't actually use it, so that's about as detailed an explanation I can > get. (See the homepage URL below.) > > Considering Fetchmail's overwhelming functionality, I would be shocked > (SHOCKED, I tell you! :) to hear that it did not have some way of > calling procmail against the mail it's gathering up for you. And since > both Junkfilter and Vipul are procmail-based, as long as you can run > procmail against your incoming email, you can do it. > > Now, when looking up the Fetchmail homepage > (http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/fetchmail/), I see a paragraph that says: > > "Fetchmail retrieves mail from remote mail servers and forwards it via > SMTP, so it can then be be read by normal mail user agents such as mutt, > elm(1) or BSD Mail. It allows all your system MTA's filtering, > forwarding, and aliasing facilities to work just as they would on normal > mail." > > So since it's delivering via SMTP, all you would need to do is get an > SMTP agent (exim, postfix, qmail, sendmail...) running on the same > machine on which you will be running Fetchmail, get Procmail working, > and finally configure Procmail to run Junkfilter or Vipul and it should > all act just as if you were running those tools on the mail server on > which your email was originally delivered. > > Of course, I'm glossing over the details, which are fairly in-depth, but > getting each of those individual components working is clearly > documented on respective websites, (if not already part of your Linux > distro) and basically, well, I'm just soooo damn good, aren't I? ;) > > > --- Derek Glidden wrote: > > > If it were me, I'd probably play with getting > > > Fetchmail to work with > > > either Vipul or Junkfilter. But that's me and I > > > enjoy a challenge. :) > > __________________________________________________ From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 13 22:41:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA06924 for slug-track29; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:41:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA06921 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:41:08 -0500 Received: from goliath.cnchost.com (goliath.cnchost.com [207.155.252.47]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24898 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:40:32 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by goliath.cnchost.com id WAA10999; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:39:46 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16Py1O-000062-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:42:54 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:42:50 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM prevention Message-ID: <20020113224250.A323@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <20020110204727.33949.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com> <1010705400.982.10.camel@two> <018a01c19ca3$4f67f5a0$0231a8c0@sanders> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <018a01c19ca3$4f67f5a0$0231a8c0@sanders>; from lsanders@flash.net on Sun, Jan 13, 2002 at 09:24:10PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, Jan 13, 2002 at 09:24:10PM -0500, Larry Sanders wrote: > This would be a great presentation. If you don't use it, WHO? > Who could/would do a presentation on setting this up. > Say start with RedHat or other Distro.... > Larry :-) > Doesn't even require a full presentation. Fetchmail is configured via your ~/.fetchmailrc . For newbies, the ~/ means your home directory, usually /home/yourname . That dot (.) in front of the filename is a real part of the filename, and means that this file is hidden (even though you can edit it). This file should have the following permissions (based on my file, and knowing that fetchmail is persnickety about permissions): 710. That means that when you look at it with ls -a, it will look like this: -rwx--x--- fetchmail ... You can achieve this by doing: chmod 710 ~/.fetchmailrc Here's what a typical one looks like: poll pop3.myisp.com protocol pop3 timeout 180 username yourname@myisp.com password mypassword mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %s" All this assumes a pop3 server at pop3.myisp.com, which has yourname@myisp.com as your username and mypassword as your password. The timeout parameter tells fetchmail to time out if it can't get a server response within 180 seconds (3 minutes). The mda parameter tells fetchmail to hand off the mail to procmail. If you look at the FAQ on the SLUG site, and search for "procmail", you'll see a question/answer on how to set up procmail. HTH, Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 13 23:05:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA06939 for slug-track29; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:05:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA06936 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:05:10 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24960 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:04:31 -0500 Received: from stimpy (653220hfc251.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.20.251]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0E43ku04071 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:03:46 -0500 (EST) From: "John Wright" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Windows 95 source code revealed!!! Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:06:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Steven: Thank you for voicing this for me. I just joined the group a couple days ago and was seriously thinking about withdrawing my subscription because of this posting. I joined this group to learn something about Linux. NOT to read a bunch of blast fest bull. It is good to see I am not alone here. -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Steven Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 9:08 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Windows 95 source code revealed!!! Is there any way that we could possibly make a new years resolution to post this stuff in the slug-pol list? Yes, this is funny. Yes, this is humorous. But quite frankly I am a little tired of reading messages that bash MS on linux lists. Is there not enough linux news out there? ----Original Message Follows---- From: Norbert Cartagena Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Windows 95 source code revealed!!! Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:25:05 -0500 Just ran across this. Apparently it's a portion of the Win95 source code. Gnorb --------------------------------- Subject: *** TOP SECRET MICROSOFT CODE *** Project: Version - Windows 95 Microsoft marketing strategy (MARKET.EXE): #include #include #include /* Microsoft Network Connectivity library */ #include /* For the court of law */ #define say(x) lie(x) #define computeruser ALL_WANT_TO_BUY_OUR_BUGWARE #define next_year soon #define the_product_is_ready_to_ship another_beta_version void main() { if (latest_window_version>one_month_old) { if (there_are_still_bugs) market(bugfix); if (sales_drop_below_certain_point) raise(RUMOURS_ABOUT_A_NEW_BUGLESS_VERSION); } while(everyone_chats_about_new_version) { make_false_promise(it_will_be_multitasking); /* Standard Call, in lie.h */ if (rumours_grow_wilder) make_false_promise(it_will_be_plug_n_play); if (rumours_grow_even_wilder) { market_time=ripe; say("It will be ready in one month); order(programmers, stop_fixing_bugs_in_old_version); order(programmers, start_brainstorm_about_new_version); order(marketingstaff, permission_to_spread_nonsense); vapourware=TRUE; break; } } switch (nasty_questions_of_the_worldpress) { case WHEN_WILL_IT_BE_READY: say("It will be ready in", today+30_days," we're just testing"); break; case WILL_THIS_PLUG_AND_PLAY_THING_WORK: say("Yes it will work"); ask(programmers, why_does_it_not_work); pretend(there_is_no_problem); break; case WHAT_ARE_MINIMAL_HARDWARE_REQUIREMENTS: say("It will run on a 8086 with lightning speed due to" " the 32 bits architecture"); inform(INTEL, "Pentium sales will rise skyhigh"); inform(SAMSUNG, "Start a new memorychip plant" "'cos all those customers will need at least 32 megs"); inform(QUANTUM, "Thanks to our fatware your sales will triple"); get_big_bonus(INTEL, SAMSUNG, QUANTUM); break; case DOES_MICROSOFT_GET_TOO_MUCH_INFLUENCE: say("Oh no, we are just here to make a better world for everyone"); register(journalist, Big_Bill_Book); when(time_is_ripe) { arrest(journalist); brainwash(journalist); when(journalist_says_windows95_is_bugfree) { order(journalist, "write a nice objective article"); release (journalist); } } break; } while (vapourware) { introduction_date++; /* Delay */ if (no_one_believes_anymore_there_will_be_a_release) break; say("It will be ready in",today+ONE_MONTH); } release(beta_version) while (everyone_is_dumb_enough_to_buy_our_bugware) { bills_bank_account += 150*megabucks; release(new_and_even_better_beta_version); introduce(more_memory_requirements); if (customers_report_installation_problems) { say("that is a hardware problem, not a software problem"); if (smart_customer_says_but_you_promised_plug_and_play) { ignore(customer); order(microsoft_intelligence_agency, "Keep an eye on this bastard"); } } if (there_is_another_company) { steal(their_ideas); accuse(compagny, stealing_our_ideas); hire(a_lot_of_lawyers); /* in process.h */ wait(until_other_company_cannot_afford_another_lawsuit); buy_out(other_company); } } /* Now everyone realizes that we sell bugware and they are all angry at us */ order(plastic_surgeon, make_bill_look_like_poor_bastard); buy(nice_little_island); hire(harem); laugh_at(everyone, for_having_the_patience_year_after_year_for_another_unfinished_version); } void bugfix(void) { charge (a_lot_of_money) if (customer_says_he_does_not_want_to_pay_for_bugfix) say("It is not a bugfix but a new version"); if (still_complaints) { ignore(customer); register(customer, big_Bill_book); /* We'll get him when everyone uses Billware!!*/ } } _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 13 23:27:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA06957 for slug-track29; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:27:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA06954 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:27:24 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25016 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:26:49 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0E4Q4v24893 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:26:04 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:49:26 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: [SLUG] CMOS lost power Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I realize this doesn't directly pertain to Linux, but I was trying to build a Linux fileserver (Appletalk, NFS, and SMB) to raffle off at the next Tampa Linux meeting, so I hope I am forgiven. This machine was running fine. I would shut it off from time to time to run different tests; both power-off and reboot. It showed no signs of CMOS corruption or power loss. Just about when I was finished with it, it started complaining about the CMOS memory being lost. I know it's not the CMOS that's defective because it survives reboots fine. It's when I shut it off that it whines about not having correct data, and it obtains the defaults. I can't seem to find a battery anywhere on the motherboard, so where *did* the CMOS get its power, so I can replace it? Also, if anyone knows of some good local computer groups, email lists and/or physical meetings, please let me know. Mario From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 13 23:27:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA06962 for slug-track29; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:27:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA06959 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:27:28 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25017 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:26:53 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0E4Q5v24918 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:26:05 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:25:18 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: RE: [SLUG] redirecting tty to a file Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks for everyone's lightning fast responses. If Roadrunner wasn't so lousy this evening, I would've posted this sooner. I found some redirection information on the print edition on page 239 of Learning Debian GNU/Linux from Bill McCarty; O'reilly & Associates, Inc. (won at a recent SLUG raffle). Thanks to http://www.opencontent.org/openpub/, you can view it here (well worth reading): http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/ch13_02.html#CH13-PGFID-74043 In short, the BASH shell has three "standard data streams": STDIN, STDOUT, STDERR. I was getting STDOUT just fine with: dpkg -i gcc-whatever.deb > /home/myfile.txt but I was missing STDERR which was the bulk of what I wanted to capture: >, this redirector catches STDOUT like this: i_yap_program > >/home/stdout_file.txt The one I wanted, and the one that worked for me was more comprehensive: &>, this redirector catches both STDOUT and STDERR--which is what I was missing. i_yap_program &> /home/stdout-and-stderr-file.txt I hope this helps the curious. Mario >I'm not sure it'll solve your problem, but have you tried using the "tee" >command? I'm not entirely clear on the difference between redirecting with >">" vs. using the pipe "|", so I'm not promising it'll be any better. ;) > >dpkg -i gcc-BLAH-BLAH.deb | tee /home/someuser/install.txt > >-Ken > > >-----Original Message----- >From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Mario >Lombardo >Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 05:10 PM >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: [SLUG] redirecting tty to a file > > >I thought redirecting tty output to a file could be done with a redirector >">" > >I'm having trouble with this in Debian: > >dpkg -i gcc-BLAH-BLAH.deb > /home/someuser/install.txt > >I don't get the entire output in the file. On the screen, I should >be seeing prompt after prompt. Instead I'm seeing reporting on the >screen, and I'm also not seeing much in the text file (two measly >lines). I want to get this stuff verbatim in case it's a bug with >Debian Sparc Potato > Woody upgrades. > >How do I correctly dump everything from this command into a text file >instead of the screen? Also, is there a way to have the system >automatically log what goes to and from a tty to a text file? This >would be for future journalizing purposes (duh, what did I do?). > >Mario From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 00:35:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA07026 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:35:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA07023 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:35:20 -0500 Received: from renown.cnchost.com (renown.concentric.net [207.155.248.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25253 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:34:45 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by renown.cnchost.com id AAA03178; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:34:04 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16Pzo2-0000EW-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:37:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:37:09 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CMOS lost power Message-ID: <20020114003709.A845@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from mario@alienscience.com on Sun, Jan 13, 2002 at 10:49:26PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, Jan 13, 2002 at 10:49:26PM -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > I can't seem to find a battery anywhere on the motherboard, so where > *did* the CMOS get its power, so I can replace it? Also, if anyone > knows of some good local computer groups, email lists and/or physical > meetings, please let me know. > > Mario You can try the PC Support List. It's at: http://www.matrixlist.com/mailman/listinfo/pc_support As for your battery, you might try to find a plastic DIP package soldered onto the motherboard, maybe a third of an inch high and 1 cm by 2 cm. I found one of these on a motherboard one time, pried the top off of it (no, you wouldn't have thought at first that it would pry off), and lo and behold there was a little battery in there under the cover. If you don't see anything like that, then I don't know. I have a motherboard here with a similar problem, and I can't find a battery on it to save myself. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 01:38:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA07079 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:38:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA07076 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:38:21 -0500 Received: from jeremybowers.com (adsl-64-163-110-12.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net [64.163.110.12]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25427 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:37:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (ferret@localhost) by jeremybowers.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0E6YKv00945 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:34:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: jeremybowers.com: ferret owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:34:20 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bowers X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Anyone on the List Sell CPUs & memory? In-Reply-To: <040701c19c93$122625a0$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I've used a reseller in New Jersey, z-buy.com several times without incident. Their prices are quite low, especially on drives. I'm not sure what their memory prices are doing now, with all the commotion and all. TCWO.com has great prices on chips, but they're in FL, so you have to pay sales tax. Pricewatch.com is a pretty well-known clearing house for shopping around. Still rather new to slug, Jeremy -- This message courtesy of PINE! It's the fresh scent, not the graphics. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 02:12:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA07090 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:12:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA07087 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:12:32 -0500 Received: from femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.146]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25517 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:11:57 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020114071115.PDMU17549.femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:11:15 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Windows 95 source code revealed!!! Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:09:43 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011402094307.18212@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sunday 13 January 2002 23:06, you wrote: > Steven: > > Thank you for voicing this for me. I just joined the group a couple > days ago and was seriously thinking about withdrawing my > subscription because of this posting. I joined this group to learn > something about Linux. NOT to read a bunch of blast fest bull. It > is good to see I am not alone here. > > Hmmm .... every once in a while there will be "blast fest bull". Get used to it. Here's why. We are a passionate lot in our advocacy and widely diverse in our age, educational level and experience. This is not a professional society ... it's a bunch of folks from all walks of life whose common thread of interest is the Linux operating system and the application programs that go with it. Some of us have Doctorates. Some of us left school in the seventh grade because we were 22 years old and got a good job raking the grass at the golfcourse. Some are too young to date, others are still smooching someone we met 50 years ago. There is no attempt at uniformity. But the kid with the terminal case of acne may just be the person who knows how to fix your fonts and the oldster with unsteady hands may be the one with an unused Cisco 24 port router in the basement you can have for $50 and a six-pack of Labatts. If something is truly offensive, netiquette calls for addressing it off-list. If it isn't that important, it isn't that important. If Linux users were a laid back lot, Linux might still be looking for user # 2. And you will have to concede that Craig & Bill have nothing good to say about Linux. So ... what do you expect from proponents of "Un-American" software? Every once in a while the boys (& girls) are gonna let off a little steam. I hope you are "seasoned" enough to just let it roll off your back, kick it off to one side and continue to find what you are looking for on this list. This list, and others like it across the world, are the absolute best source of insight into this common passion ... Linux. If you unsubscribe, you cut yourself off from a lot that is good over a little that is distasteful. If need be, filter the posts of the individual involved. I filter some folks myself ... (I especially don't like profanity and don't care if the person using it is technically competent or not). Probably others filter me. Oh well. Welcome to the list. Sit back and enjoy. If you go through the archives you will see that Norbert posts a fair number of technically oriented emails also. This time he was trying to share something he found humorous with the people he thought were his friends. That's part of the deal when we use "Open Sores" software. Some folks have no sense of humor, some folks have no friends. :-) Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1253312 292040 0 186176 730968 Swap: 401584 1932 399652 Total: 1946936 1255244 691692 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 1:28am up 24 days, 23:31, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.07, 0.02 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 07:07:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA07393 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:07:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA07390 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:07:36 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26730 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:07:00 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt0a2n0b.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.25.11]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0EC6Gv14891 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:06:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C42CADB.604DE714@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:11:07 -0500 From: Anita Pesola X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: [SLUG] [Fwd: "Joe^M"]OT: Help!!!! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------CA2727664883318CFD847587" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CA2727664883318CFD847587 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys & gals.... I have gotten roughly 50 of these emails that all say the same thing. I have sent letters to abuse@rr.com, abuse@gte.net, and have gotten no where. Anyone got any ideas as to how to get this bozo to quit emailing me??? 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homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26768 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:19:39 -0500 Received: from newcomputer (653267hfc110.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.110]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0ECIwu25234 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:18:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001201c19cf5$eedd84e0$6e432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] CMOS lost power Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:20:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Some new mother boards no longer use a battery they use a capacitor that acts as a battery. How ever most mother boards will support a battery connector that will let you use a Off Mother board style battery pack. The best thing you may want to try is usuing google to find some one who sells these. At one time Radio Shack use to sell these. They wwere about 7.95 to 15.00 Also you may want to look for a program called cmos ram. This would copy your cmos data to floppy after you do so then warm reboot then it will be ready for next time needed You then do a cold power boot with the floppy and behold all data is back except the time and date which it will ask you for to continue. I may still have a copy some where I will look for it. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 07:52:16 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA07431 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:52:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA07428 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:52:15 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26873 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:51:45 -0500 Received: from newcomputer (653267hfc110.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.110]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0ECp4v18675 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:51:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301c19cfa$6a99b5a0$6e432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: "Joe^M"]OT: Help!!!! Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:53:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Anita, You unfortunately have discovered how much or I should say how little Time Warner and Road Runner care about customers. Now they even cap cable speeds to that of DSL you heard right Dsl speeds you no longer get the true speeds of the cable you should. I wish they would be exposed to the rip off that they are pulling. They over sell the service of cable and now since AOL owns the reigns it gets worse. The jack up AOL cable to 2mb down 1 mb up and the Road Runner to 768k down and 128k up. Then they will tell you that they only guarantee 200kb down by going to the Tw speed address which measures speed from a local networked Tw server that is not accessible by anyone else other then Tw users. As for Security they laugh and ask them what do you want them to do? I got pinged on day from one guy over 230 pings in 1 hour and another 653 in a hour. They then say what should we do ? Next for Spam they are getting worse since AOL and Tw have merged. Best thing to do is run the filter that Derek posted. Next thin try to set up a misc no crucial E-mail address Yahoo or someone like that and use that address for a main to try to let people send to that instead of your main e-mail address. Or the other way around. The next thing is to post this in the Time Warner News groups for the Road Runner they are roadrunner.tampabay.discussion , roardrunner.tampabay.general, and roadrunner.tampabay.security As they monitor these and if you post anything they get the information of your username and trace it back to you and call you only to spend 5 minutes on the phone saying they can not do anything or what do you want us to do and then my favorite can we do anything else for you today. Btw this is a example of being censored and not all post go through as they monitor the post and remove them at will. I say call the news and report this so they can do a investigation is about the only thing that may warrant them to do anything. Or write your local congressman or congresswoman. Sorry if it got to political. BTW remember there old slogan Up to 100 times faster then dialup? now it just says Much faster then dialup. If you got full speed you would get 10mb up and down for speed and if they were a good ISP they should offer a filter like Earthlink's spaminator which you can get through Time Warner which is better service than Road Runner. Also business class TW Road Runner is on 1.5 mb down and 768k up capped as well for $80.00 a month with some more services but they usually do not offer it to be put in a house unless it is a home based business. Hope you get it solved. B.Preece From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 07:58:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA07436 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:58:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA07433 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:58:19 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA26889 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:57:43 -0500 Received: (qmail 12928 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 12:56:49 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 12:56:49 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 06:56:48 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Windows 95 source code revealed!!! Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:56:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <02011402094307.18212@a.genesis.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug And if I might add to what Bill had so eloquently said, I have been a subscriber to several LUG's around the country only to unsubscribe to the others and stay with SLUG. Why? Because if you really want seasoned responses to you queries then this is the place to be. If you want smart aleck look down their noses at you responses, then write to me off list and I will give the list of LUG's to you. Here you will find people with various levels of experience each trying to help one another,,and they do. If you have something to offer then join in and have some fun. What you have to say might be just what I am looking for. What we try to display to the rest of the world is that we are diverse by any measures possible and as a community still we promote Linux because we feel it is just a better mousetrap. And we try to do that in a manner that does not offend anyone or make visitors think we are just a ragtag bunch of geeks desparately trying to impress everyone with our 'code speak' so to say. At nearly 60, I am probably close to the oldest on this list and here I sit daily reading and learning from subscribers who are easily teenagers. Good for them!! And I say thank you. Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 2:10 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Windows 95 source code revealed!!! On Sunday 13 January 2002 23:06, you wrote: > Steven: > > Thank you for voicing this for me. I just joined the group a couple > days ago and was seriously thinking about withdrawing my > subscription because of this posting. I joined this group to learn > something about Linux. NOT to read a bunch of blast fest bull. It > is good to see I am not alone here. > > Hmmm .... every once in a while there will be "blast fest bull". Get used to it. Here's why. We are a passionate lot in our advocacy and widely diverse in our age, educational level and experience. This is not a professional society ... it's a bunch of folks from all walks of life whose common thread of interest is the Linux operating system and the application programs that go with it. Some of us have Doctorates. Some of us left school in the seventh grade because we were 22 years old and got a good job raking the grass at the golfcourse. Some are too young to date, others are still smooching someone we met 50 years ago. There is no attempt at uniformity. But the kid with the terminal case of acne may just be the person who knows how to fix your fonts and the oldster with unsteady hands may be the one with an unused Cisco 24 port router in the basement you can have for $50 and a six-pack of Labatts. If something is truly offensive, netiquette calls for addressing it off-list. If it isn't that important, it isn't that important. If Linux users were a laid back lot, Linux might still be looking for user # 2. And you will have to concede that Craig & Bill have nothing good to say about Linux. So ... what do you expect from proponents of "Un-American" software? Every once in a while the boys (& girls) are gonna let off a little steam. I hope you are "seasoned" enough to just let it roll off your back, kick it off to one side and continue to find what you are looking for on this list. This list, and others like it across the world, are the absolute best source of insight into this common passion ... Linux. If you unsubscribe, you cut yourself off from a lot that is good over a little that is distasteful. If need be, filter the posts of the individual involved. I filter some folks myself ... (I especially don't like profanity and don't care if the person using it is technically competent or not). Probably others filter me. Oh well. Welcome to the list. Sit back and enjoy. If you go through the archives you will see that Norbert posts a fair number of technically oriented emails also. This time he was trying to share something he found humorous with the people he thought were his friends. That's part of the deal when we use "Open Sores" software. Some folks have no sense of humor, some folks have no friends. :-) Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1253312 292040 0 186176 730968 Swap: 401584 1932 399652 Total: 1946936 1255244 691692 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 1:28am up 24 days, 23:31, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.07, 0.02 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 09:43:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA07534 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:43:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA07531 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:43:21 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA27233 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:42:51 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id qa195016 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:44:14 -0500 Message-ID: <028b01c19d0a$1613e180$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: Subject: [SLUG] file security Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:45:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug How would anyone recommend configuring Suse-Linux to grant everyone read access on created or modified via a Samba connection in a particular folder? From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 10:08:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA07552 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:08:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07549 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:08:38 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27336 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:08:02 -0500 Received: from stimpy (653220hfc251.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.20.251]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0EF7Lv13204 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:07:21 -0500 (EST) From: "John Wright" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] CMOS lost power Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:10:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001201c19cf5$eedd84e0$6e432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If you can identify the manufacturer of your M.B. you can go to the following link http://www.motherboards.org/ and try to download the manual. This will sometimes have a layout of the board with identifiers for the parts as well as a list of the jumpers and there function( jumper pins are sometimes used for connectors!) there might even be some contact information thats not a number in Souel Korea. -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Bpreece Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 7:21 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CMOS lost power Some new mother boards no longer use a battery they use a capacitor that acts as a battery. How ever most mother boards will support a battery connector that will let you use a Off Mother board style battery pack. The best thing you may want to try is usuing google to find some one who sells these. At one time Radio Shack use to sell these. They wwere about 7.95 to 15.00 Also you may want to look for a program called cmos ram. This would copy your cmos data to floppy after you do so then warm reboot then it will be ready for next time needed You then do a cold power boot with the floppy and behold all data is back except the time and date which it will ask you for to continue. I may still have a copy some where I will look for it. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 10:37:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA07574 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:37:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07571 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:37:21 -0500 Received: from smtp005pub.verizon.net (smtp005pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.184]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27498 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:36:45 -0500 Received: from Desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-188.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.188]) by smtp005pub.verizon.net with SMTP ; id g0EFa0700804 Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:36:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00be01c19d11$180e9be0$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Anyone on the List Sell CPUs & memory? Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:35:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks Jeremy! I decided to order via BYAIB, found via PriceWatch. $35. higher than my first order to Sofisticated, but I added a CPU copper shim, and am getting an 850 Duron rather than a 700 ... the rest is price- creep on memory and much higher shipping and handling. Sigh. Well, at least I can get this thing built ... two weeks later than planned. doc > I've used a reseller in New Jersey, z-buy.com several times without > incident. Their prices are quite low, especially on drives. I'm not sure > what their memory prices are doing now, with all the commotion and all. > > TCWO.com has great prices on chips, but they're in FL, so you have to pay > sales tax. > > Pricewatch.com is a pretty well-known clearing house for shopping around. > > Still rather new to slug, > Jeremy From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 10:49:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA07601 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:49:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07598 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:49:29 -0500 Received: from snoopy.tblc.org (snoopy.tblc.lib.fl.us [206.72.132.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27552 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:48:54 -0500 Received: from bernie.tblc.org (bernie.tblc.org [206.72.132.8]) by snoopy.tblc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35C92002D3 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:52:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] file security From: Ben Ostrowsky To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <028b01c19d0a$1613e180$4401a8c0@patrick> References: <028b01c19d0a$1613e180$4401a8c0@patrick> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.0.99+cvs.2001.12.18.08.57 (Preview Release) Date: 14 Jan 2002 10:51:03 -0500 Message-Id: <1011023463.32458.24.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 09:45, Patrick Grantham wrote: > How would anyone recommend configuring Suse-Linux to grant everyone read > access on created or modified via a Samba connection in a particular folder? Meta-answer: I recommend "Using Samba", published by O'Reilly and Associates. Page 138 (1st ed.) discusses permission masks. Actual answer: http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html#FORCECREATEMODE Ben From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 10:52:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA07615 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:52:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07612 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:52:11 -0500 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA27580 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:51:40 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 15:50:55 -0000 Message-ID: <3C42FCD1.3000609@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:44:17 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: "Joe^M"]OT: Help!!!! References: <3C42CADB.604DE714@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Anita Pesola wrote: > Guys & gals.... > > I have gotten roughly 50 of these emails that all say the same thing. I > have sent letters to abuse@rr.com, abuse@gte.net, and have gotten no > where. Anyone got any ideas as to how to get this bozo to quit emailing > me??? > > Thanks, > Anita > > What e-mail client do you use? Though I agree that you should follow Bill's sugested steps, you could (for a quick fix) simply have your e-mail software filter these types of messages out. Provided this guy isn't selling your e-mail address, that should take care of your problem. Also, have you tried e-mailing the guy and asking him what's going on? Social engineering works pretty well sometimes, I've found (you can be nice the first time, it's ok - it's when they ignore you that you have the right to be nasty). Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 11:20:17 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA07638 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:20:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07579 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:40:49 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f161.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.161]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27513 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:40:19 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:39:35 -0800 Received: from 198.51.174.14 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:39:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.51.174.14] From: "Steven Johnson" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Windows 95 source code revealed!!! Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:39:35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2002 15:39:35.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB2443D0:01C19D11] Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ----Original Message Follows---- >We are a passionate lot in our advocacy and widely diverse in our... Did you come up with this off the cuff or was this a prepared speech? I could have sworn I heard America_The_Beautiful when reading this. >So ... what do you expect from proponents of "Un-American" software? Again, I say that this falls under slug-pol. >Every once in a while the boys (& girls) are gonna let off a little >steam. I hope you are "seasoned" enough to just let it roll off your >back, kick it off to one side..... At best, it is churlish. Let off steam, but let it off on the slug-pol list. If 50% of all threads here are MS-bashing it only debases this linux community. >Norbert posts a fair number of technically oriented emails also. This time >he was trying to share something he found humorous... There is a big signal to noise ratio here. I delete about 75% of all messages unread here. Norbert is one of the few posters here that I read because his comments are well thought out and insightful, I especially love his postings in slug-pol. Bryan Smith was another knowledgable poster that I enjoyed reading. But there comes a point where you have to say "enough". You can only see the same jokes so many times. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 14:14:37 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA07969 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:14:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA07962 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:14:37 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28641 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:14:01 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0EJDKv01618 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:13:20 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001201c19cf5$eedd84e0$6e432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> References: <001201c19cf5$eedd84e0$6e432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:55:12 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] CMOS lost power Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Bill, I didn't know these utilites existed, but my problem is I can't find a large enough capacitor or battery on the motherboard. Paul Foster pointed me to the matrixlist earlier in this thread. I'm going to pull the archives and grep them. They don't have a search engine :^( I'm starting to think the CMOS gets its power from the power supply capacitor drain. Unorthodox, but it's possible. Mario >Some new mother boards no longer use a battery they use a capacitor that >acts as a battery. > >How ever most mother boards will support a battery connector that will let >you use a > >Off Mother board style battery pack. The best thing you may want to try is >usuing google to find some one who > >sells these. At one time Radio Shack use to sell these. They wwere about >7.95 to 15.00 > >Also you may want to look for a program called cmos ram. > >This would copy your cmos data to floppy after you do so then warm reboot >then it will be ready for next time needed > >You then do a cold power boot with the floppy and behold all data is back >except the time and date which it will ask you > >for to continue. > > I may still have a copy some where I will look for it. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 14:14:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA07970 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:14:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA07966 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:14:37 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28642 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:14:01 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0EJDLv01644 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:13:21 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:01:12 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: RE: [SLUG] CMOS lost power Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks. Not that long ago, when I was inserting the motherboard, I accidentally knocked off a jumper. Oops! Luckily, I found where my finger was and put it back. I thought I'd be hard-pressed to find a manual anywhere except maybe a dumpster in Taiwan. Mario >If you can identify the manufacturer of your M.B. you can go to the >following >link http://www.motherboards.org/ and try to download the manual. This will >sometimes have a layout of the board with identifiers for the parts as well >as >a list of the jumpers and there function( jumper pins are sometimes used for >connectors!) there might even be some contact information thats not a number >in Souel Korea. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Bpreece >Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 7:21 AM >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] CMOS lost power > > >Some new mother boards no longer use a battery they use a capacitor that >acts as a battery. > >How ever most mother boards will support a battery connector that will let >you use a > >Off Mother board style battery pack. The best thing you may want to try is >usuing google to find some one who > >sells these. At one time Radio Shack use to sell these. They wwere about >7.95 to 15.00 > >Also you may want to look for a program called cmos ram. > >This would copy your cmos data to floppy after you do so then warm reboot >then it will be ready for next time needed > >You then do a cold power boot with the floppy and behold all data is back >except the time and date which it will ask you > >for to continue. > > I may still have a copy some where I will look for it. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 14:27:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA07989 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:27:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA07986 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:27:12 -0500 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA28747 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:26:41 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 19:26:00 -0000 Message-ID: <3C432F0B.7010400@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:18:35 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Windows 95 source code revealed!!! - Killed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ok, I didn't think that this would get so out of hand. To you people who didn't like the joke: Lighten up a bit. You don't like the mail, delete it. Don't do yourself the misfavor of quitting the list - a wealth of knowledge in itself - simply because I told a joke that you found either a) tasteless or b) annoying. I posted the joke bacause I thought some people might enjoy it. You didn't like it, fine with me. If you're tired of MS bashing, then sorry to tell you this, but it don't get that much better no where else (english teachers, please withold your fury). I'm not gonna lie, I have a pretty active sense of humor. This was merely an extension of that humor. MS bashing through humour is one of the ways I express disdain for the company's business practices which - I'll be perfectly honest - I consider criminal in even the shadiest of lights (hence my using Linux). I could do it in other ways, but that's not a thread I care to start (talk to me after a meeting some day). To you people who liked the joke: Thanks, you were my taget audience. However, these people do have a point. There are times where the MS bashing gets a bit out of hand. Peorsonally. I though the list had been kind of "dry" for the past couple of weeks, which is why I posted it. I also considered it putting it on the politics list - but lets face it, most open source advocates enjoy a bit of MS bashing once in a while (just like Windows people seem to LOVE to bash the good ol' Macintrash and Trashintoss, or the Linux massochists), and there are a good number of people who I know are NOT in the politics list and WOULD probably enjoy this type of humour. To all: I didn't even expect a response to the post. I guess that's a good thing, then, isn't it? But for all intensve purposes, this thread is dead. If you wish to continue this discussion, please take it on to the politics list (it HAS now reached that point and if there is anything which is discussed there which will in the end affect things on the regular list, then it will be moved back to this list at the discretion of the officers in the group). If you wish to file a complaint against me, then you can mail any one of the officers outlined in the SLUG page, though I recomend sending it to Paul, and I'd appreciated if you CCd it to me - you can complement me behind my back all you want, but I'd rather you complain about me directly to me, then at least I have some hope of doing something about it. Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 13:39:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA07909 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:39:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA07906 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:39:44 -0500 Received: from jeremybowers.com (adsl-64-163-110-193.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net [64.163.110.193]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28404 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:39:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (ferret@localhost) by jeremybowers.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0EIZc703808 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:35:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: jeremybowers.com: ferret owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:35:38 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bowers X-X-Sender: To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Folks- Demo-ing linux on a small scale for a business in Orlando, and one of the main concerns is MS Office compatibility. (Of course) I'm going to recommend StarOffice and Applixware as suites, or AbiWord and Gnumeric as stand-alone programs. Two part question: a.) What's a good equivalent to MS access or powerpoint? Preferably gnome and not KDE, with an equivalent "look n' feel" to MS. b.) Anyone tried Samba 3.0's active directory features? If so, wanna talk shop? Still pretty new to slug, Jeremy -- This message courtesy of PINE! It's the fresh scent, not the graphics. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 14:56:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA08063 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:56:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA08060 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:56:42 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA28959 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:56:12 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id oa195040 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:57:35 -0500 Message-ID: <031201c19d35$d48c5a40$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <028b01c19d0a$1613e180$4401a8c0@patrick> <1011023463.32458.24.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Subject: Re: [SLUG] file security Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:58:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thank you. I've read so much about this issue and didn't realize it was staring me in the face all along. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Ostrowsky" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] file security > On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 09:45, Patrick Grantham wrote: > > How would anyone recommend configuring Suse-Linux to grant everyone read > > access on created or modified via a Samba connection in a particular folder? > > Meta-answer: I recommend "Using Samba", published by O'Reilly and > Associates. Page 138 (1st ed.) discusses permission masks. > > Actual answer: > > http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html#FORCECREATEMODE > > Ben From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 15:56:17 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA08309 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:56:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA08306 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:56:16 -0500 Received: from omta04.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29469 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:55:40 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta04.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB58E4FA5F for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 6BAFF2757; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:54:59 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:54:59 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business X-Originating-Ip: [198.23.5.11] Message-Id: <20020114205459.6BAFF2757@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug StarOffice 5.2 has a powerpoint equiv. as part of the package. I don't know if that was preserved in 6.0. Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA --- jeremy bowers wrote: >Folks- > >Demo-ing linux on a small scale for a business in Orlando, and one of the >main concerns is MS Office compatibility. (Of course) I'm going to recommend >StarOffice and Applixware as suites, or AbiWord and Gnumeric as >stand-alone programs. > >Two part question: >a.) What's a good equivalent to MS access or powerpoint? Preferably gnome >and not KDE, with an equivalent "look n' feel" to MS. > >b.) Anyone tried Samba 3.0's active directory features? If so, wanna talk >shop? > >Still pretty new to slug, >Jeremy > >-- >This message courtesy of PINE! >It's the fresh scent, not the graphics. _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 16:31:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA08423 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:31:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA08420 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:31:27 -0500 Received: from notes.EQUINOX.COM (notes.equinox.com [63.80.92.4]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29733 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:30:52 -0500 From: JVergara@equinox.com Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.7 March 21, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:13:20 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes.EQUINOX.COM/EQNX(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 01/14/2002 04:14:23 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The powerpoint equiv. for Star Office 6.0. is called "Impress". You can go to "www.openoffice.org" and download it. Juan C. Carson Wilcox cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for slug@lists.nks.net Business 01/14/02 03:54 PM Please respond to slug StarOffice 5.2 has a powerpoint equiv. as part of the package. I don't know if that was preserved in 6.0. _____________________________________________________________ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 16:33:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA08433 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:33:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA08430 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:33:26 -0500 Received: from femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.129]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29749 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:32:55 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020114213214.DAIW3327.femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:32:14 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Windows 95 source code revealed!!! Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:30:40 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201141630400D.18212@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 14 January 2002 07:56, you wrote: > And if I might add to what Bill had so eloquently said, > Thank you, Mike. A pat on the back, while not the full equivalent of folding money, is always welcome. :-) Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1249648 295704 0 186524 732256 Swap: 401584 1932 399652 Total: 1946936 1251580 695356 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 4:29pm up 25 days, 14:32, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.02 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 15:57:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA08321 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:57:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA08318 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:57:28 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29479 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:56:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0EKuBE18266 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:56:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:56:11 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, jeremy bowers wrote: > Folks- > > Demo-ing linux on a small scale for a business in Orlando, and one of the > main concerns is MS Office compatibility. (Of course) I'm going to recommend > StarOffice and Applixware as suites, or AbiWord and Gnumeric as > stand-alone programs. The KDE 2.2 Koffice is quite good as well ... It just .... works > Two part question: > a.) What's a good equivalent to MS access or powerpoint? Preferably gnome > and not KDE, with an equivalent "look n' feel" to MS. Kpresenter ? Access is harder, for it is a VB environemnt, and a reporting tool, and does form layout -- glade gives an Open MUCH better than VB workspace, and can do the Forms part --- as can your favorite html design tool and PHP on the backend for Forms MySQL or PostGreSQL gives the database backend phpMySQLadmin fives table and database management But I am unaware of a Crystal Reports workalike in Open Source as an SQL ad-hoc visual report creation too. ... Anyone know of a good one? any one? -- Russ Herrold From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 16:58:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA08464 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:58:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA08461 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:58:06 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29840 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:57:34 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31221 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:56:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 14 Jan 2002 16:56:52 -0500 Message-Id: <1011045412.6095.8.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 15:56, R P Herrold wrote: > Access is harder, for it is a VB environemnt, and a reporting > tool, and does form layout -- > > glade gives an Open MUCH better than VB workspace, and can do > the Forms part --- as can your favorite html design tool and > PHP on the backend for Forms > > MySQL or PostGreSQL gives the database backend > > phpMySQLadmin fives table and database management > > But I am unaware of a Crystal Reports workalike in Open Source > as an SQL ad-hoc visual report creation too. > > ... Anyone know of a good one? any one? Dunno about "good" but as far as "any" doesn't the KDE project have something similar to access ("kdb" or something suitably succinct), and I believe The Kompany has a "high-end" version of something like access? I thought they were trying to sell some sort of ad-hoc SQL query builder/report/table-making tool thingie. I don't use' em myself - the SQL> command-line is perfectly fine for me. :) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 17:04:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA08493 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:04:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA08490 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:04:25 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29883 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:03:54 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0EM3Eu10837 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:03:14 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:01:01 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: RE: [SLUG] CMOS lost power Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug RESOLVED: After I wrote the last post below, I took a look at the motherboard where I thought I put the jumper. The jumper I thought I "put back" was actually a rogue jumper that fell off a parts bin. I knew this because I've never touched any of the other jumpers, and they all looked different than the one I replaced. It works now. It turns out, the power supply for the CMOS is housed inside a Dallas Semiconductor Real-Time Clock package (looks like a little black box-like chip). Here's how my search went: http://www.motherboards.org (no information from my BIOS number search) http://www.award.com (redirected to Phoenix; new owner of Award) http://www.phoenix.com (to System Software tab and then you *must* click on the Products tab) http://www.phoenix.com/pcuser/awardbios/Award.html (Clicked Award BIOS) http://www.phoenix.com/pcuser/phoenixbios/motherboard.html (Clicked AwardBIOS Motherboard Manufacturers. My motherboard identifies as a Biostar motherboard manufacturer) http://www.biostar.com.tw (where else would they be made?) http://www.biostar-usa.com (selected the USA site and went here) http://www.biostar-usa.com/Support/support.htm (clicked on Support) http://www.biostar-usa.com/museum/Museum_Index.htm (clicked on Museum) http://www.biostar-usa.com/museum/MBManuals/8400UUD/8433UUD_Manual.htm (somewhere on their website they said there is white lettering identifying the model number, so I managed to find this, and here it is!) That's it. Mario >Thanks. Not that long ago, when I was inserting the motherboard, I >accidentally knocked off a jumper. Oops! Luckily, I found where my >finger was and put it back. I thought I'd be hard-pressed to find a >manual anywhere except maybe a dumpster in Taiwan. > >Mario > >>If you can identify the manufacturer of your M.B. you can go to the >>following >>link http://www.motherboards.org/ and try to download the manual. This will >>sometimes have a layout of the board with identifiers for the parts as well >>as >>a list of the jumpers and there function( jumper pins are sometimes used for >>connectors!) there might even be some contact information thats not a number >>in Souel Korea. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Bpreece >>Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 7:21 AM >>To: slug@nks.net >>Subject: Re: [SLUG] CMOS lost power >> >> >>Some new mother boards no longer use a battery they use a capacitor that >>acts as a battery. >> >>How ever most mother boards will support a battery connector that will let >>you use a >> >>Off Mother board style battery pack. The best thing you may want to try is >>usuing google to find some one who >> >>sells these. At one time Radio Shack use to sell these. They wwere about >>7.95 to 15.00 >> >>Also you may want to look for a program called cmos ram. >> >>This would copy your cmos data to floppy after you do so then warm reboot >>then it will be ready for next time needed >> >>You then do a cold power boot with the floppy and behold all data is back >>except the time and date which it will ask you >> >>for to continue. >> >> I may still have a copy some where I will look for it. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 17:15:27 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA08519 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:15:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA08516 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:15:27 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29926 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:14:51 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0EMEAu26573 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:14:10 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:13:18 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Jeremy, I'm curious why you'd rather go with a non-KDE utility? I'm not a KDE guru, but I've seen very good results with people that use it. The other non-commercial office software packages always seem so disjointed where KDE seems to have spearheaded the effort. List, Doesn't the City of Largo use KDE via thin clients? When are we going to meet that guy anyway? Mario >Folks- > >Demo-ing linux on a small scale for a business in Orlando, and one of the >main concerns is MS Office compatibility. (Of course) I'm going to recommend >StarOffice and Applixware as suites, or AbiWord and Gnumeric as >stand-alone programs. > >Two part question: >a.) What's a good equivalent to MS access or powerpoint? Preferably gnome >and not KDE, with an equivalent "look n' feel" to MS. > >b.) Anyone tried Samba 3.0's active directory features? If so, wanna talk >shop? > >Still pretty new to slug, >Jeremy > >-- >This message courtesy of PINE! >It's the fresh scent, not the graphics. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 17:20:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA08534 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:20:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA08531 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:20:33 -0500 Received: from sheffield.cnchost.com (sheffield.concentric.net [207.155.252.12]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29961 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:20:03 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by sheffield.cnchost.com id RAA05147; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:19:22 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16QFV0-0001Qq-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:22:38 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:22:27 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: "Joe^M"]OT: Help!!!! Message-ID: <20020114172227.C5377@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , "slug@nks.net" References: <3C42CADB.604DE714@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C42CADB.604DE714@tampabay.rr.com>; from jb2@tampabay.rr.com on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 07:11:07AM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 07:11:07AM -0500, Anita Pesola wrote: > Guys & gals.... > > I have gotten roughly 50 of these emails that all say the same thing. I > have sent letters to abuse@rr.com, abuse@gte.net, and have gotten no > where. Anyone got any ideas as to how to get this bozo to quit emailing > me??? > > Thanks, > Anita It sounds like the guy has a worm. My wife was attacked by one of those a while back. The only solution was to analyze the headers and come up with the point of entry for the email. In that case, it was the point where it was handed off to the first relay (the origin email address was spoofed). Turned out to be a university. I called their computer department and they were quite apologetic; fixed it promptly. Yes, you can filter it, but it still chews bandwidth, and it won't stop if you just filter it. I don't know how useful the abuse@ addresses are. They didn't help my wife much, though it can't hurt to let them know. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 17:23:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA08539 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:23:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA08536 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:23:59 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29978 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:23:28 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0EMMmu08590 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:22:48 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1011023463.32458.24.camel@bernie.tblc.org> References: <028b01c19d0a$1613e180$4401a8c0@patrick> <1011023463.32458.24.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:21:40 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] file security Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If you'd rather save the pulp of trees, although I like reading paper better, you can view the book online: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/index.html http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/ Mario >On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 09:45, Patrick Grantham wrote: >> How would anyone recommend configuring Suse-Linux to grant everyone read >> access on created or modified via a Samba connection in a particular folder? > >Meta-answer: I recommend "Using Samba", published by O'Reilly and >Associates. Page 138 (1st ed.) discusses permission masks. > >Actual answer: > >http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html#FORCECREATEMODE > >Ben From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 17:26:36 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA08544 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:26:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA08541 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:26:35 -0500 Received: from smtp006pub.verizon.net (smtp006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.185]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29984 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:26:05 -0500 Received: from Desktop1 (tamqfl1-ar9-4-61-233-188.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.61.233.188]) by smtp006pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g0EMPO225017 Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:25:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <013901c19d4a$3db81720$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: References: <001201c19cf5$eedd84e0$6e432041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] CMOS lost power Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:24:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have a 3 AA-cell holder with a flat 4-pin (one plugged) connector (like what is often used for the sound card to cd-drive cable and the speaker connector. This came out of an old motherboard and was used to hold the BIOS CMOS. Does your mobo have a provision for such a connector? doc > Bill, I didn't know these utilites existed, but my problem is I can't > find a large enough capacitor or battery on the motherboard. Paul > Foster pointed me to the matrixlist earlier in this thread. I'm > going to pull the archives and grep them. They don't have a search > engine :^( > > I'm starting to think the CMOS gets its power from the power supply > capacitor drain. Unorthodox, but it's possible. > > Mario > > >Some new mother boards no longer use a battery they use a capacitor that > >acts as a battery. > > > >How ever most mother boards will support a battery connector that will let > >you use a > > > >Off Mother board style battery pack. The best thing you may want to try is > >usuing google to find some one who > > > >sells these. At one time Radio Shack use to sell these. They wwere about > >7.95 to 15.00 > > > >Also you may want to look for a program called cmos ram. > > > >This would copy your cmos data to floppy after you do so then warm reboot > >then it will be ready for next time needed > > > >You then do a cold power boot with the floppy and behold all data is back > >except the time and date which it will ask you > > > >for to continue. > > > > I may still have a copy some where I will look for it. > > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 17:30:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA08568 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:30:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA08565 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:30:33 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30003 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:30:03 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt0a2n0b.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.25.11]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0EMTNu18165 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:29:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C435CEB.F842AC5@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:34:19 -0500 From: Anita Pesola X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: "Joe^M"]OT: Help!!!! References: <3C42CADB.604DE714@tampabay.rr.com> <3C42FCD1.3000609@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I've tried to set up a filter---I use Netscape for an email client---but it still gets through. It's really frustrating. Anita Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Anita Pesola wrote: > > > Guys & gals.... > > > > I have gotten roughly 50 of these emails that all say the same thing. I > > have sent letters to abuse@rr.com, abuse@gte.net, and have gotten no > > where. Anyone got any ideas as to how to get this bozo to quit emailing > > me??? > > > > Thanks, > > Anita > > > > > > What e-mail client do you use? Though I agree that you should follow > Bill's sugested steps, you could (for a quick fix) simply have your > e-mail software filter these types of messages out. Provided this guy > isn't selling your e-mail address, that should take care of your > problem. Also, have you tried e-mailing the guy and asking him what's > going on? Social engineering works pretty well sometimes, I've found > (you can be nice the first time, it's ok - it's when they ignore you > that you have the right to be nasty). > > Gnorb > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 17:36:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA08587 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:36:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA08584 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:36:45 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30059 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:36:10 -0500 Received: from midas.lan (6535195hfc126.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.195.126]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0EMZCl10176 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:35:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business From: Seth Hollen To: "Slug@Nks. Net" In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 14 Jan 2002 17:34:00 -0500 Message-Id: <1011047643.22251.3.camel@midas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I would probably say SAMBA TNG (the next generation) for more PDC/BDC features, but this isn't from first hand knowledge, mainly talking w/ others about the limitations of samba 2.2. I really like star-office 6.0 beta, I AM VERY IMPRESSED by it. Seth On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 13:35, jeremy bowers wrote: > Folks- > > Demo-ing linux on a small scale for a business in Orlando, and one of the > main concerns is MS Office compatibility. (Of course) I'm going to recommend > StarOffice and Applixware as suites, or AbiWord and Gnumeric as > stand-alone programs. > > Two part question: > a.) What's a good equivalent to MS access or powerpoint? Preferably gnome > and not KDE, with an equivalent "look n' feel" to MS. > > b.) Anyone tried Samba 3.0's active directory features? If so, wanna talk > shop? > > Still pretty new to slug, > Jeremy > > -- > This message courtesy of PINE! > It's the fresh scent, not the graphics. > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 17:08:36 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA08502 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:08:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA08499 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:08:36 -0500 Received: from illustrious.cnchost.com (illustrious.concentric.net [207.155.252.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29894 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:08:00 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by illustrious.cnchost.com id RAA15722; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:07:13 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16QFJ1-0001Q1-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:10:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:09:57 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Windows 95 source code revealed!!! Message-ID: <20020114170957.A5377@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from alinuxguru@hotmail.com on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 03:39:35PM +0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 03:39:35PM +0000, Steven Johnson wrote: > There is a big signal to noise ratio here. I delete about 75% of all > messages unread here. That signal to noise ratio is intended. The list charter outlines the type of content which is acceptable, and it includes a wide range. While this list should be primarily technical (and is), I never intended that it be _only_ technical. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 17:50:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA08609 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:50:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA08606 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:50:22 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30136 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:49:51 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0EMnBu15975 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:49:11 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:48:13 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] NAT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Russell, I've read through the thread. I'm not sure I'm going to be of help, but people that talk to me about routers and firewalls often get an earful of me yapping about how much I enjoyed installing Coyote Linux http://www.coyotelinux.com If you don't mind dedicating a box to do one thing (can be a crappy 386 w/16MB RAM), Coyote Linux is the easiest distribution I've ever tinkered with. The whole thing runs in RAM and boots off of one superfloppy (1.44 - 2.0MB). It has SSH, Serial console, ident, ipmasq, and some other stuff. Mine doesn't even have a video card, keyboard, or mouse--just two ISA NICs and a multiport for the serial port and floppy controller. When I'm feeling geeky, I talk to it with my Palm Pilot via a serial cradle using the 3rd party free "telnet" program from http://www.palmgear.com. Usually, I just use SSH if I have questions about performance, but it normally turns out to be AOL/Roadrunner Low Speed Internet problems. Blah blah blah. Like I said, people usually get an earful from me. Mario >Help... > >I want to use my linux machine as a firewall. I also want to do Network >Address Translation (I've got a couple of PC's I want to have access to the >internet). I've got DSL, though, which throws a wrench into things. I've got >eth1 connected to an ethernet hub, and technically, eth0 is connected to the >outside world. But my external assigned internet address is actually on ppp0; >eth0 doesn't have an ip address. I've got a 2.4.17 kernel, so I know I'll be >using iptables. > >Can anyone help? > >Thanks! > >Russell Hires From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 18:00:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA08635 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:00:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA08632 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:00:32 -0500 Received: from femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.26]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30205 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:00:02 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020114225921.HHPC638.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:59:21 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:57:47 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201141757470E.18212@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 14 January 2002 16:13, you wrote: > The powerpoint equiv. for Star Office 6.0. is called "Impress". > You can go to "www.openoffice.org" and download it. Sun has discontinued the SO 6.0 beta program as of Jan. 1. http://www.sun.com/staroffice/6.0beta/ Development has shifted over to Open Office. http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/ I have a copy of SO 6.0 beta downloaded Dec 31 Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1249836 295516 0 186528 732424 Swap: 401584 1932 399652 Total: 1946936 1251768 695168 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 5:46pm up 25 days, 15:49, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 18:12:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA08699 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:12:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA08694 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:12:23 -0500 Received: from renown.cnchost.com (renown.concentric.net [207.155.248.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30295; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:11:47 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by renown.cnchost.com id SAA28789; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:11:06 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16QGJ4-0001V5-00; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:14:22 -0500 To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, linux-announce@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: From: "Paul M. Foster" Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:14:22 -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* BRANDON II *********************************************** 17 January 19:00-21:00 Brandon (third Thursday of each month) Computer Advantage Store 217 Brandon Town Center Drive Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#BrandonII for directions. SARASOTA ************************************************* 22 January 19:00-21:00 Sarasota (fourth Tuesday of each month) Certification Inc. 2033 Wood St Suite 220 Sarasota, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#sarasota for directions. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 26 January 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library, 223 Douglas Ave., Community Room A. Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#dunedin for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 2 February 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#npr for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 7 February 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#Brandon for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 13 February 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd Lakepointe I Building Tampa, FL 33607 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#tampa for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 19:07:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA08883 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:07:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA08880 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:07:09 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30694 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:06:30 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc64 (24285hfc64.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.64]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0F05ov16851 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:05:50 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] redirecting tty to a file Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:09:37 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011419093700.01252@24285hfc64> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ha! Score 1 for the Glenster :) Glen On Sunday 13 January 2002 23:25, you wrote: > Thanks for everyone's lightning fast responses. If Roadrunner wasn't > so lousy this evening, I would've posted this sooner. > > I found some redirection information on the print edition on page 239 > of Learning Debian GNU/Linux from Bill McCarty; O'reilly & > Associates, Inc. (won at a recent SLUG raffle). > > Thanks to http://www.opencontent.org/openpub/, you can view it here > (well worth reading): > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/ch13_02.html#CH13-PGFID-74043 > > In short, the BASH shell has three "standard data streams": STDIN, > STDOUT, STDERR. I was getting STDOUT just fine with: > dpkg -i gcc-whatever.deb > /home/myfile.txt > > but I was missing STDERR which was the bulk of what I wanted to capture: > >, this redirector catches STDOUT like this: i_yap_program > > >/home/stdout_file.txt > > The one I wanted, and the one that worked for me was more comprehensive: > &>, this redirector catches both STDOUT and STDERR--which is what I > was missing. > i_yap_program &> /home/stdout-and-stderr-file.txt > > I hope this helps the curious. > > Mario > > >I'm not sure it'll solve your problem, but have you tried using the "tee" > >command? I'm not entirely clear on the difference between redirecting with > >">" vs. using the pipe "|", so I'm not promising it'll be any better. ;) > > > >dpkg -i gcc-BLAH-BLAH.deb | tee /home/someuser/install.txt > > > >-Ken > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Mario > > >Lombardo > >Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 05:10 PM > >To: slug@nks.net > >Subject: [SLUG] redirecting tty to a file > > > > > >I thought redirecting tty output to a file could be done with a redirector > >">" > > > >I'm having trouble with this in Debian: > > > >dpkg -i gcc-BLAH-BLAH.deb > /home/someuser/install.txt > > > >I don't get the entire output in the file. On the screen, I should > >be seeing prompt after prompt. Instead I'm seeing reporting on the > >screen, and I'm also not seeing much in the text file (two measly > >lines). I want to get this stuff verbatim in case it's a bug with > >Debian Sparc Potato > Woody upgrades. > > > >How do I correctly dump everything from this command into a text file > >instead of the screen? Also, is there a way to have the system > >automatically log what goes to and from a tty to a text file? This > >would be for future journalizing purposes (duh, what did I do?). > > > >Mario From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 18:43:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA08792 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:43:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA08789 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:43:10 -0500 Received: from jeremybowers.com (adsl-64-163-110-179.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net [64.163.110.179]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30521 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:42:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (ferret@localhost) by jeremybowers.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0ENd3S05047 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:39:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: jeremybowers.com: ferret owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:39:03 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bowers X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Mario- Mostly out of familiarity. I've been a rabid fan of Gnome for a long time, and I'm quite pleased with the spate of useful programs they offer. I must say, I've got a mac running yellow dog as a project box, and it has a KDE desktop that's quite nice. So, result, I'm biased, but not violent. --Jeremy -- This message courtesy of PINE! It's the fresh scent, not the graphics. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 18:43:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA08797 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:43:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA08794 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:43:31 -0500 Received: from ns1.socaldns.com ([216.240.135.106]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30527 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:42:55 -0500 Received: from there (242820hfc204.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.20.204]) by ns1.socaldns.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA06888 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:40:52 -0800 Message-Id: <200201142340.PAA06888@ns1.socaldns.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:45:34 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <1011047643.22251.3.camel@midas> In-Reply-To: <1011047643.22251.3.camel@midas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hmm, they have stopped the beta... On Monday 14 January 2002 05:34 pm, you wrote: > I would probably say SAMBA TNG (the next generation) for more PDC/BDC > features, but this isn't from first hand knowledge, mainly talking w/ > others about the limitations of samba 2.2. > I really like star-office 6.0 beta, I AM VERY IMPRESSED by it. > > Seth > > On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 13:35, jeremy bowers wrote: > > Folks- > > > > Demo-ing linux on a small scale for a business in Orlando, and one of the > > main concerns is MS Office compatibility. (Of course) I'm going to > > recommend StarOffice and Applixware as suites, or AbiWord and Gnumeric as > > stand-alone programs. > > > > Two part question: > > a.) What's a good equivalent to MS access or powerpoint? Preferably gnome > > and not KDE, with an equivalent "look n' feel" to MS. > > > > b.) Anyone tried Samba 3.0's active directory features? If so, wanna talk > > shop? > > > > Still pretty new to slug, > > Jeremy > > > > -- > > This message courtesy of PINE! > > It's the fresh scent, not the graphics. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 19:14:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA09022 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:14:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA09019 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:14:06 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30806 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:13:36 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc64 (24285hfc64.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.64]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0F0Ctu13284 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:12:55 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: "Joe^M"]OT: Help!!!! Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:17:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C42CADB.604DE714@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3C42CADB.604DE714@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011419173001.01252@24285hfc64> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Anita: Welcome to Windows virii. This one is either badtrans or magistr, I don't remember which (I just spent 15 hours this weekend killing this and more off at work). Congratulations, you're in someone's Outlook address book ;) Glen On Monday 14 January 2002 07:11, you wrote: > Guys & gals.... > > I have gotten roughly 50 of these emails that all say the same thing. I > have sent letters to abuse@rr.com, abuse@gte.net, and have gotten no > where. Anyone got any ideas as to how to get this bozo to quit emailing > me??? > > Thanks, > Anita > Return-Path: > Received: from flmx02.mgw.rr.com ([65.32.1.42]) by flmta03.tampabay.rr.com > (InterMail vK.4.03.03.00 201-232-128 license 040219337ab35085561142d1c96eb00f) > with ESMTP id <20011205121445.INPV6130.flmta03@flmx02.mgw.rr.com> > for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:14:45 -0500 > Received: from out002pub.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.102]) > by flmx02.mgw.rr.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fB5CEjn07295 > for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:14:45 -0500 (EST) > Received: from smtp.gte.net (evrtwa1-ar3-032-252.evrtwa1.dsl.gtei.net [4.33.32.252]) > by out002pub.verizon.net with SMTP > ; id fB5CFS525759 > Wed, 5 Dec 2001 06:15:28 -0600 (CST) > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 06:15:28 -0600 (CST) > Message-Id: <200112051215.fB5CFS525759@out002pub.verizon.net> > FROM: Bob Rhodes > SUBJECT: "Joe^M" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > waitfor "" > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > > > 5.0 ExprOf operators and arguments that evaluates to a result. > Expressions can be used as values in any command. > > An expression can combine any variable, or integer, string, or boolean > values with any of the unary and binary operators in the following tables. > All unary operators take the highest precedence. The precedence of binary > operators is indicated by their position in the table. > > The unary operators are: > > Operator Type of Operation > > - Unary minus > ! One's complement > > The binary operators are listed in the following table in their order of > precedence. X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Priority: 3 > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DC_0147804B.40904BC0" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_0147804B.40904BC0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Of operators and arguments that evaluates to a result. Expressions can be > used as values in any command. > > An expression can combine any variable, or integer, string, or boolean > values with any of the unary and binary operators in the following tables. > All unary operators take the highest precedence. The precedence of binary > operators is indicated by their position in the table. > > The unary operators are: > > Operator Type of Operation > > - Unary minus > ! One's complement > > The binary operators are listed in the following table in their order of > precedence. ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_0147804B.40904BC0 > Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="CFGWIZ32.EXE" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="CFGWIZ32.EXE" >SNIP VIRUS CODE FROM HERE< From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 19:55:56 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA09112 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:55:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA09109 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:55:56 -0500 Received: from mail15b.boca15-verio.com (mail15b.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA30990 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:55:20 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 03138161 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:53:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C437CD0.3070209@roblimo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:50:24 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business References: <1011047643.22251.3.camel@midas> <200201142340.PAA06888@ns1.socaldns.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug steve wrote: > Hmm, they have stopped the beta... Sun announced 3 months ago that the StarOffice beta downloads were going to stop on Jan 1, and that copies already out would expire at the end of Feb or beginning of March. OpenOffice build 641 or later will do fine. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 21:13:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA09238 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:13:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA09235 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:13:52 -0500 Received: from tonnant.cnchost.com (tonnant.concentric.net [207.155.248.72]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31361 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:13:16 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by tonnant.cnchost.com id VAA25331; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:12:35 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16QJ8p-0001iv-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:15:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:15:54 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CMOS lost power Message-ID: <20020114211554.A6597@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from mario@alienscience.com on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 05:01:01PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 05:01:01PM -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > It works now. It turns > out, the power supply for the CMOS is housed inside a Dallas > Semiconductor Real-Time Clock package (looks like a little black > box-like chip). BINGO! That's exactly what I was talking about. In my case, the battery was soldered in to a couple of the legs on the DIP, and I didn't want to mess with trying to desolder it. (Besides, I accidentally broke one of the leads to the battery. ;-) Paul From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 20:55:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA09195 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:55:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA09192 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:55:19 -0500 Received: from femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.19]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31285 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:54:44 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020115015403.EKXC4569.femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:54:03 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:52:28 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200201142340.PAA06888@ns1.socaldns.com> <3C437CD0.3070209@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C437CD0.3070209@roblimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201142052280F.18212@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 14 January 2002 19:50, you wrote: > steve wrote: > > Hmm, they have stopped the beta... > > Sun announced 3 months ago that the StarOffice beta downloads were > going to stop on Jan 1, and that copies already out would expire at > the end of Feb or beginning of March. > > OpenOffice build 641 or later will do fine. > > - Robin Expire? Are you saying there's a timer on them? Bill -- We're sorry for any inconvenience but, due to security concerns, we no longer accept documents in MS-Word *.doc format. Please re-send your document in either *.txt, *.htm or *.rtf formats. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 21:04:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA09219 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:04:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA09216 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:04:38 -0500 Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31333 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:04:08 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A841C3932 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id A5D1B2757; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:03:27 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:03:27 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] follow up to modem help X-Originating-Ip: [206.62.204.184] Message-Id: <20020115020327.A5D1B2757@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Just wanted to pass this along. I was unable to get my linux boxes to login to Internet Junction, while I had no problems getting into my work account. Also there support seems to be non existant. At any rate I switched ISP's and was connected and logged in, in about a minute. Thanks for all of the suggestions. Carson Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 22:20:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA09349 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:20:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09346 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:20:02 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (242829hfc118.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.29.118]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31626 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:19:27 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (localhost.mat [127.0.0.1]) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g0F3IjdZ001873 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:18:45 -0500 Received: (from billt@localhost) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g0F3IjJN001871 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:18:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:18:45 -0500 From: Bill Triplett To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] SPAM blackhole lists? Message-ID: <20020115031845.GA1807@fourier.mat> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Greetings, I was wondering if anyone is using any of those anti-spam relay blacklist features[1] to block spam. If so, which one and what kind of results are you seeing? Are there alot of false positives? If you aren't using one, and there is a specific reason or bad experience with them, I'd really like to hear about that. We're moving our company mail server from Eudora Internet Mail Server (on a Mac) to linux, and I'd like to take advantage of some of the features that this move opens up. Thanks in advance, Bill [1] Like: http://ordb.org/ http://mail-abuse.org/rbl/ http://orbz.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 22:49:47 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA09399 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:49:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09396 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:49:46 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31734 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:49:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0F3mZE17133 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:48:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:48:35 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: Slug List Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM blackhole lists? In-Reply-To: <20020115031845.GA1807@fourier.mat> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Bill Triplett wrote: > I was wondering if anyone is using any of those anti-spam relay > blacklist features[1] to block spam. If so, which one and what kind of > results are you seeing? Are there alot of false positives? I use several and am very active with orbz -- I may be reached through herrold@orbz.org, for example -- one of three working 'real' email addresses in that domain, I believe, as the time I was afforded that cortesy by the Admin at ORBZ. That mailing list is quite good -- Russel Nelson (of Cynwer drivers fame) fought it out there over the weekend. Hard core spammers try to convert the RBL'ser there as well. I offered a extended technical proposal for greatly speeding RBL filtering with checking on ALL hops, rather than just the LAST hop, over the weekend as well: http://www.orbz.org/list.cgi?mss:1100:200201:mnbjgdfcfolejabghgff Orbz has ZERO false positives -- ZERO -- for every listing is backed up with a piece from the ORBZ tester. As to your question, see: http://www.orbz.org/list.cgi?mss:1120:200201:killgealghdpcjljpcgf which states in part, answering a similar question: ... I run automated processes which harvest and submit to ORBZ and another testing blocklist the IP of every mailserver which has had a piece of mail pass through it which is eventually offered to any of 7 primary, geographically [diverse] mailserver clusters I admin, handling a couple 100k pieces a day, in aggregate. ... and submit _every_ IP to orbz. The more people who use orbz or a competitive RBL, the more likely the owner of an open relay will have a customeer's mail bounced. The more bounces in the hand of end customers, the less the admin of the open relay can stay in denial. The only way to stay off the OR blocklists -- is to not run an open relay. -----------------snippet ends ---------------------- > If you aren't using one, and there is a specific reason or bad > experience with them, I'd really like to hear about that. Between 20% and 40% of my mailload transits through Open relay's -- and most of that is spam. Pure and simple. A correspondent can clean up their act, find a new ISP, or I'll do without corresponding with them. ... but some may consider my unreasonable. > We're moving our company mail server from Eudora Internet Mail Server > (on a Mac) to linux, and I'd like to take advantage of some of the > features that this move opens up. My sendmail.mc is somewhat complex, but it is amazingly good. I maintain a tools page at: ftp://ftp.owlriver.com at /pub/local/ORC/rblcheck/ which includes a command line tool rblcheck to permit one-off testing of IP's. -- Russ Herrold From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 23:11:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA09522 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:11:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA09519 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:11:50 -0500 Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31875 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:11:15 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-125.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.125] helo=localhost) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QKve-00015q-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:10:30 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16QKvd-0000Bf-00 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:10:29 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] 2.4.17 bug Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:55:38 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey everyone, I have a problem with 2.4.x kernels on ppc: they crash. I sent this to the debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org list, but for some reason it doesn't go through, probably because my System.map is roughly 500+ KB...my message to this list got bounced because of this same problem. What I'm doing here is sending out a copy of my kern.log and asking where to put my System.map so a more general linux audience (and at least one kernel hacker -- Hi Derrick!) can see it...I would like advice on who I should really be sending this to, like the lkml, or marcelo (2.4.x maintainer), or who...but for those who might be interested: Below is from my kern.log. Thanks! Russell Jan 6 21:10:45 localhost kernel: kernel BUG at page_alloc.c:170! Jan 6 21:10:45 localhost kernel: kernel BUG at page_alloc.c:205! Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: Oops: kernel access of bad area, sig: 11 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: NIP: C0031BE8 XER: 00000000 LR: C003273C SP: C97D9A30 REGS: c97d9980 TRAP: 0300 Tainted: P Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: MSR: 00009032 EE: 1 PR: 0 FP: 0 ME: 1 IR/DR: 11 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: DAR: 00000118, DSISR: 40000000 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: TASK = c97d8000[765] 'pppd' Last syscall: 11 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: last math d23d8000 last altivec 00000000 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: GPR00: 00000000 C97D9A30 C97D8000 C085F680 00000000 000001C0 00000000 C0565A00 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: GPR08: C0391000 FFFFFFFF 0000174C C02D0000 24008028 10020C68 FFFFFFFF 00000000 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: GPR16: 00000002 00000000 D7CE6780 D75CFDE0 00000000 C02D0000 00000000 C01F0000 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: GPR24: C01F0000 00000000 CF3D2104 000001BF 00000001 00000000 C085F680 00000084 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: Call backtrace: Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: C97D6FFC C003273C C0032778 C00254DC C0028764 C00425C0 C004287C Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: C00560D8 C0042DF0 C00553FC C0042DF0 C004315C C00073FC C000429C From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 23:11:56 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA09527 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:11:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA09524 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:11:55 -0500 Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31876 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:11:20 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-125.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.125] helo=localhost) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QKve-0003UI-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:10:30 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16QKvd-0000Bf-01 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:10:29 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] 2.4.17 bug Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:10:28 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey everyone, I have a problem with 2.4.x kernels on ppc: they crash. I sent this to the debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org list, but for some reason it doesn't go through, probably because my System.map is roughly 500+ KB...my message to this list got bounced because of this same problem. What I'm doing here is sending out a copy of my kern.log and asking where to put my System.map so a more general linux audience (and at least one kernel hacker -- Hi Derrick!) can see it...I would like advice on who I should really be sending this to, like the lkml, or marcelo (2.4.x maintainer), or who...but for those who might be interested: Below is from my kern.log. Thanks! Russell Jan 6 21:10:45 localhost kernel: kernel BUG at page_alloc.c:170! Jan 6 21:10:45 localhost kernel: kernel BUG at page_alloc.c:205! Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: Oops: kernel access of bad area, sig: 11 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: NIP: C0031BE8 XER: 00000000 LR: C003273C SP: C97D9A30 REGS: c97d9980 TRAP: 0300 Tainted: P Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: MSR: 00009032 EE: 1 PR: 0 FP: 0 ME: 1 IR/DR: 11 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: DAR: 00000118, DSISR: 40000000 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: TASK = c97d8000[765] 'pppd' Last syscall: 11 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: last math d23d8000 last altivec 00000000 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: GPR00: 00000000 C97D9A30 C97D8000 C085F680 00000000 000001C0 00000000 C0565A00 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: GPR08: C0391000 FFFFFFFF 0000174C C02D0000 24008028 10020C68 FFFFFFFF 00000000 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: GPR16: 00000002 00000000 D7CE6780 D75CFDE0 00000000 C02D0000 00000000 C01F0000 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: GPR24: C01F0000 00000000 CF3D2104 000001BF 00000001 00000000 C085F680 00000084 Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: Call backtrace: Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: C97D6FFC C003273C C0032778 C00254DC C0028764 C00425C0 C004287C Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: C00560D8 C0042DF0 C00553FC C0042DF0 C004315C C00073FC C000429C From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 14 22:54:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA09513 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:54:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09510 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:53:56 -0500 Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31798 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:53:26 -0500 Received: from sdn-ar-003fltampp259.dialsprint.net ([158.252.77.21] helo=noname.nodomain.nowhere) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QKeR-00079x-00; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:52:44 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Tim Wright To: jeremy bowers Subject: [SLUG] Re: Linux for Business Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:55:25 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011422110818.01225@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Another option for your business customer is Corel's WordPerfect suite for Linux. While it is Commercial software, the price is very reasonable for office suites, and for somebody migrating from MS-Windows to Linux, it's a good implementation, looking very familiar to MS-Windows users, but still firmly in the Linux world. The basic version is about $100,and the deluxe package with Paradox runs about $130 the last time I looked. As a long-time Quattro Pro user (been using Quattro since version 1.0 for DOS in the 80s), I got it just for the spreadsheet software. Back to your original question about database and presentation software, Paradox is worth at least a good look, and Corel Presentations is just as good as PowerPoint. Graphics has always been a strong point in the Corel product line, and Corel's office suite writes and reads to MS-Office file formats. WordPerfect is still a mighty good application, and it's been my word processor ever since I established my Microsoft-Free-Zone. (the Version 8.0 port to Unix/Linux runs better than the Wine implemented version from the suite, but it's clearly a Unix program. Those migrating from Windows may need a little time getting used to it.) Another plus is that Corel's WordPerfect Office Suite for Linux will run on just about any desktop: KDE, Gnome, maybe CDE as well. Your client might like the look and feel of Corel's stuff better than StarOffice if he's dropping MS-Windows for Linux. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 00:12:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA09565 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:12:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA09562 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:12:20 -0500 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32049 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:11:50 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-011.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.11] helo=localhost) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QLsH-0000Fl-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:11:06 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16QLsG-0000DE-01 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:11:04 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] NAT: It works! Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:11:04 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <1010687321.982.2.camel@two> In-Reply-To: <1010687321.982.2.camel@two> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thank you Derrick! You're awesome...Thanks also go out to Larry Sanders and Cherie Amon, along with Mario Lombardo for the humor and the feeling that I'm not the only one to do particularly geeky stuff just because I can :-) I got the script working just fine, but when it's active it kills my smtp mail sending...I guess I'll go through the firewall presentation to figure out how to add a rule to allow mail to be sent via smtp. On the machines behind the firewall, I had to do some basic configuration of dns, since names wouldn't resolve... Another question I have is about how to make it activate when I boot up. I've thought about putting it in my /etc/init.d (since that's where debian puts its startup files), but it doesn't really fit, since running the script always has the effect of turning on the firewall. We should start another thread to address these issues, I think... Thanks again... Russell Hires From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 03:23:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id DAA09622 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:23:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA09618 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:23:02 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA32438 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:22:27 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0F8Lku15909 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:21:46 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020114211554.A6597@quillandmouse.com> References: <20020114211554.A6597@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:41:15 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] CMOS lost power Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yep, I've done that. For those of us that are desperate when we break battery leads, there are companies that have $60,000 (that's what the owner said) spot welding machines that put new leads on new batteries or old ones. They make their own batteries to your specifications. I brought three dead computer batteries with broken leads to D&D Battery in Largo. It cost me less than ten dollars for three new ones, and they worked fine. They even showed me how they make them; spot welding, tape and heat shrink tubing sometimes. http://www.4batteries.com/ I'm sure there are similar manufacturers in your area. Mario >On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 05:01:01PM -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > >> It works now. It turns >> out, the power supply for the CMOS is housed inside a Dallas >> Semiconductor Real-Time Clock package (looks like a little black >> box-like chip). > >BINGO! That's exactly what I was talking about. In my case, the battery >was soldered in to a couple of the legs on the DIP, and I didn't want to >mess with trying to desolder it. (Besides, I accidentally broke one of >the leads to the battery. ;-) > >Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 03:23:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id DAA09626 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:23:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA09623 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:23:03 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA32439 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:22:27 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0F8Llu15919 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:21:47 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <02011422110818.01225@noname.nodomain.nowhere> References: <02011422110818.01225@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:53:47 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: [SLUG] Re: Linux for Business Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm curious about MS-Word and Excel VB impregnated documents. How do Linux non-MS apps handle this? Is it Glade? About Wordperfect. I installed a copy of WP for MS-95/98. If the Linux version is anything like that, I think your clients will enjoy it more than MS-Word. It has much more powerful word processing features at your immediate control; instead of embedded in hierarchical menus. Floating button boxes just get in the way of your WYSIWYG work. Mario >Another option for your business customer is Corel's WordPerfect suite for >Linux. While it is Commercial software, the price is very reasonable for >office suites, and for somebody migrating from MS-Windows to Linux, it's a >good implementation, looking very familiar to MS-Windows users, but still >firmly in the Linux world. The basic version is about $100,and the deluxe >package with Paradox runs about $130 the last time I looked. As a long-time >Quattro Pro user (been using Quattro since version 1.0 for DOS in the 80s), I >got it just for the spreadsheet software. > >Back to your original question about database and presentation software, >Paradox is worth at least a good look, and Corel Presentations is just as >good as PowerPoint. Graphics has always been a strong point in the Corel >product line, and Corel's office suite writes and reads to MS-Office file >formats. WordPerfect is still a mighty good application, and it's been my >word processor ever since I established my Microsoft-Free-Zone. (the Version >8.0 port to Unix/Linux runs better than the Wine implemented version from the >suite, but it's clearly a Unix program. Those migrating from Windows may need >a little time getting used to it.) > >Another plus is that Corel's WordPerfect Office Suite for Linux will run on >just about any desktop: KDE, Gnome, maybe CDE as well. Your client might like >the look and feel of Corel's stuff better than StarOffice if he's dropping >MS-Windows for Linux. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 04:46:47 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA09693 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:46:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA09690 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:46:47 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32751 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:46:08 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt0a2n0b.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.25.11]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0F9jPv20247 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:45:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C43FB7E.FCF47D27@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:50:54 -0500 From: Anita Pesola X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: "Joe^M"]OT: Help!!!! References: <3C42CADB.604DE714@tampabay.rr.com> <02011419173001.01252@24285hfc64> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Glen wrote: > Anita: > > Welcome to Windows virii. This one is either badtrans or magistr, I don't > remember which (I just spent 15 hours this weekend killing this and more off > at work). Congratulations, you're in someone's Outlook address book ;) > > Glen > Ok, so how do I get the bozo to quit with the emails??? I'm getting tired of it. And I haven't been infected (I do run Windoze on occasion), so I guess I should be grateful. I have sent him an email with a CC to both rr.com and gte.net (verizon.net now, I guess) to stop emailing me. I hope it works. Anita From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 07:25:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA10181 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:25:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA10178 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:25:53 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01175 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:25:23 -0500 Received: from midas.lan (6535195hfc126.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.195.126]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0FCOhl09048 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:24:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business From: Seth Hollen To: "Slug@Nks. Net" In-Reply-To: <0201141757470E.18212@a.genesis.com> References: <0201141757470E.18212@a.genesis.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 15 Jan 2002 07:23:35 -0500 Message-Id: <1011097416.26187.1.camel@midas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Do you mean Sun has no intention of releasing a Star Office 6.0? If so I'm shocked I never heard of that. Seth On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 17:57, Bill wrote: > On Monday 14 January 2002 16:13, you wrote: > > The powerpoint equiv. for Star Office 6.0. is called "Impress". > > You can go to "www.openoffice.org" and download it. > > Sun has discontinued the SO 6.0 beta program as of Jan. 1. > http://www.sun.com/staroffice/6.0beta/ > Development has shifted over to Open Office. > http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/ > I have a copy of SO 6.0 beta downloaded Dec 31 > Bill > > -- > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 1545352 1249836 295516 0 186528 732424 > Swap: 401584 1932 399652 > Total: 1946936 1251768 695168 > Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz > 5:46pm up 25 days, 15:49, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 07:36:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA10194 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:36:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA10191 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:36:22 -0500 Received: from web11401.mail.yahoo.com (web11401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.231]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA01225 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:35:51 -0500 Message-ID: <20020115123511.16256.qmail@web11401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.42.208.147] by web11401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:35:11 PST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:35:11 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: [SLUG] ATTN: Anita To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C43FB7E.FCF47D27@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Anita, I have sent you a few emails in refernce to the hardware we discussed and I have not gotten responses.. Is it possible that you have in your other attempts to block mail gotten Yahoo.com blocked as well ?? Please e-mail me off list and let me know what happened. Thank you Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 07:44:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA10202 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:44:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA10199 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:44:31 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (242829hfc118.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.29.118]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01258 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:44:01 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (localhost.mat [127.0.0.1]) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g0FChGdZ005130 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:43:16 -0500 Received: (from billt@localhost) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g0FChFT0005128 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:43:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:43:15 -0500 From: Bill Triplett To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM blackhole lists? Message-ID: <20020115124315.GA5110@fourier.mat> References: <20020115031845.GA1807@fourier.mat> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 10:48:35PM -0500, R P Herrold wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Bill Triplett wrote: > > > I was wondering if anyone is using any of those anti-spam relay > > blacklist features[1] to block spam. If so, which one and what kind of > > results are you seeing? Are there alot of false positives? > > I use several and am very active with orbz -- I may be reached > through herrold@orbz.org, for example -- one of three working > 'real' email addresses in that domain, I believe, as the time > I was afforded that cortesy by the Admin at ORBZ. Thanks for the info. Last night before I left I turned on inputs.orbz.org and hit about 5 spams overnight. One of them notorious around the office for being particularly offensive. I think we'll keep it up for a while, maybe add one or two more RBLs if this works out. There is one that tracks any source of spam, whether it be an open relay or not: http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml Cheers, Bill From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 07:47:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA10207 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:47:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA10204 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:47:46 -0500 Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01275 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:47:10 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BF21C4805 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:46:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id DA7AC3ECC; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:46:29 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 04:46:29 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business X-Originating-Ip: [198.23.5.11] Message-Id: <20020115124629.DA7AC3ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug They are going to release it, there is just a break between the beta and the production release. I believe the release is due out in the early spring, also the openoffice verision is still available. Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA --- Seth Hollen wrote: > >Do you mean Sun has no intention of releasing a Star Office 6.0? >If so I'm shocked I never heard of that. > >Seth > >On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 17:57, Bill wrote: >> On Monday 14 January 2002 16:13, you wrote: >> > The powerpoint equiv. for Star Office 6.0. is called "Impress". >> > You can go to "www.openoffice.org" and download it. >> >> Sun has discontinued the SO 6.0 beta program as of Jan. 1. >> http://www.sun.com/staroffice/6.0beta/ >> Development has shifted over to Open Office. >> http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/ >> I have a copy of SO 6.0 beta downloaded Dec 31 >> Bill >> >> -- >> total used free shared buffers cached >> Mem: 1545352 1249836 295516 0 186528 732424 >> Swap: 401584 1932 399652 >> Total: 1946936 1251768 695168 >> Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz >> 5:46pm up 25 days, 15:49, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 >> _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 08:21:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA10223 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:21:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA10220 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:21:22 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01379 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:20:52 -0500 Received: from spock (653227hfc210.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.27.210]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0FDKBu27068 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:20:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeff Barriault" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:20:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c19dc7$5cc37290$0200a8c0@bench.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug For a good "equivalent" to MS Access, have you looked at Borland's Kylix? It's the only RAD tool I've been able to find. Plus it can utilize many different back-end databases, including Oracle. -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of jeremy bowers Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 1:36 PM To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business Folks- Demo-ing linux on a small scale for a business in Orlando, and one of the main concerns is MS Office compatibility. (Of course) I'm going to recommend StarOffice and Applixware as suites, or AbiWord and Gnumeric as stand-alone programs. Two part question: a.) What's a good equivalent to MS access or powerpoint? Preferably gnome and not KDE, with an equivalent "look n' feel" to MS. b.) Anyone tried Samba 3.0's active directory features? If so, wanna talk shop? Still pretty new to slug, Jeremy -- This message courtesy of PINE! It's the fresh scent, not the graphics. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 08:54:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA10252 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:54:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA10249 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:54:20 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA01485 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:53:45 -0500 Received: (qmail 23915 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 13:53:03 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 13:53:03 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:53:01 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:52:36 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020115124629.DA7AC3ECC@sitemail.everyone.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I don't understand why two entities are following the same track on this,,with exceptions. I just read the OpenOffice statement on the differences between StarOffice and OpenOffice and one would wonder why we would want OpenOffice as it appears to have less functionality. Can someone clear all this up for me as I am attempting to create a working desktop to replace the MS Desktops in our office. Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Carson Wilcox Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:46 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business They are going to release it, there is just a break between the beta and the production release. I believe the release is due out in the early spring, also the openoffice verision is still available. Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA --- Seth Hollen wrote: > >Do you mean Sun has no intention of releasing a Star Office 6.0? >If so I'm shocked I never heard of that. > >Seth > >On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 17:57, Bill wrote: >> On Monday 14 January 2002 16:13, you wrote: >> > The powerpoint equiv. for Star Office 6.0. is called "Impress". >> > You can go to "www.openoffice.org" and download it. >> >> Sun has discontinued the SO 6.0 beta program as of Jan. 1. >> http://www.sun.com/staroffice/6.0beta/ >> Development has shifted over to Open Office. >> http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/ >> I have a copy of SO 6.0 beta downloaded Dec 31 >> Bill >> >> -- >> total used free shared buffers cached >> Mem: 1545352 1249836 295516 0 186528 732424 >> Swap: 401584 1932 399652 >> Total: 1946936 1251768 695168 >> Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz >> 5:46pm up 25 days, 15:49, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 >> _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 10:02:37 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA10307 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:02:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA10304 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:02:37 -0500 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01735 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:02:06 -0500 Received: from user-33qtsoj.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.243.19] helo=micro.hef) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QV5X-0006fc-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:01:24 -0500 Received: (qmail 18791 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 15:16:06 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO mindspring.com) (133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 15:16:06 -0000 Message-ID: <3C44E37B.9060809@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:20:43 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > >Access is harder, for it is a VB environemnt, and a reporting >tool, and does form layout -- > If you are using Postgres as a backend, there is a tool called "pgaccess". It pops-up a window with several tabs (ala MSAccess): Tables, Queries, Views, Sequences, Functions, Reports, Forms, Scripts, Users, Schema. It does have a built-in form editor (I haven't really tried to use it), and a Query-By-Grid SQL generator (haven't used it either). Double-clicking on a table opens an Access-ish grid that you can edit in-place just by clicking and typing. Interestingly, pgaccess creates ~6 tables in your Postgres database (all called pga_something), where it stores your forms, reports, queries, etc. This way, you don't have to drag these definitions around from machine to machine as files. Yes, the purist is vomiting at having these GUI-tool tables polluting their bright, shining schema, but if you use the GUI tool, this is a neat solution. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 13:02:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA10389 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:02:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA10386 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:02:01 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02492 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:01:31 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc216 (24285hfc216.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.216]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0FI0jv01226 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:00:45 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: "Joe^M"]OT: Help!!!! Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:05:21 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C42CADB.604DE714@tampabay.rr.com> <02011419173001.01252@24285hfc64> <3C43FB7E.FCF47D27@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3C43FB7E.FCF47D27@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011513052100.01253@24285hfc216> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I didn't get them to quit. I have to just kill it with it shows up. (no choice in the matter really). Glen On Tuesday 15 January 2002 04:50, you wrote: > Glen wrote: > > Anita: > > > > Welcome to Windows virii. This one is either badtrans or magistr, > > I don't remember which (I just spent 15 hours this weekend killing this > > and more off at work). Congratulations, you're in someone's Outlook > > address book ;) > > > > Glen > > Ok, so how do I get the bozo to quit with the emails??? I'm getting tired > of it. And I haven't been infected (I do run Windoze on occasion), so I > guess I should be grateful. I have sent him an email with a CC to both > rr.com and gte.net (verizon.net now, I guess) to stop emailing me. I hope > it works. > > Anita From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 13:11:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA10397 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:11:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA10394 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:11:09 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02527 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:10:37 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA08311 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:09:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] 2.4.17 bug From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 15 Jan 2002 13:09:54 -0500 Message-Id: <1011118194.7423.0.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 23:10, Russell Hires wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I have a problem with 2.4.x kernels on ppc: they crash. I sent this to the > debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org list, but for some reason it doesn't go > through, probably because my System.map is roughly 500+ KB...my message to > this list got bounced because of this same problem. What I'm doing here is > sending out a copy of my kern.log and asking where to put my System.map so a > more general linux audience (and at least one kernel hacker > -- Hi Derrick!) can see it...I would like advice on who I should really be > sending this to, like the lkml, or marcelo (2.4.x maintainer), or who...but > for those who might be interested: Below is from my kern.log. Err, thanks for the vote of confidence, but I'm probably more of a kernel harasser than hacker. :) Have you run your Oops output through ksymoops? If you don't, nobody will pay attention to it. It's not entirely intuitive how it works, so you might have to fiddle with it a bit. The ksymoops output is sufficient to avoid having to send System.maps around as it decodes the stack trace into readable function calls via the System.map. You can find it on any kernel mirror, err, somewhere or other on it. :) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 13:16:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA10402 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:16:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA10399 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:16:13 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02544 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:15:41 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA08367 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:15:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] NAT: It works! From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: <1010687321.982.2.camel@two> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 15 Jan 2002 13:14:58 -0500 Message-Id: <1011118499.7423.2.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 00:11, Russell Hires wrote: > I got the script working just fine, but when it's active it kills my smtp > mail sending...I guess I'll go through the firewall presentation to figure > out how to add a rule to allow mail to be sent via smtp. Huh????? What shows up in your logfiles? Is anything getting denied? The way that script works is that ANYTHING _outbound_ should be allowed - only incoming connections are blocked. Are you trying to deliver your mail to the firewall to relay it outbound? (Even so, the script should allow any incoming connections to the firewall from the internal network.) > On the machines behind the firewall, I had to do some basic configuration of > dns, since names wouldn't resolve... That's also a little wierd. I've never noticed anything because I run a DNS server on my internal network at home, but we've put that script on firewall machines facing RoadRunner with Windows boxes behind and they've been able to get DNS and do all the other things that normally need to happen. (Lack of DNS might also affect SMTP traffic depending on how you have your mailer set up.) Are you getting things getting denied in your logs? I really think there's something a little messed up there... > Another question I have is about how to make it activate when I boot up. I've > thought about putting it in my /etc/init.d (since that's where debian puts > its startup files), but it doesn't really fit, since running the script > always has the effect of turning on the firewall. I usually keep in root's home directory and then make a symlink to some appropriate /etc/rc?.d directory, usually something like /etc/rc2.d/S90iptables. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 13:24:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA10417 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:24:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA10414 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:24:59 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02582 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:24:27 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA08418 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:23:45 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 15 Jan 2002 13:23:44 -0500 Message-Id: <1011119025.7424.4.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 08:52, Mikes work account wrote: > I don't understand why two entities are following the same track on > this,,with exceptions. I just read the OpenOffice statement on the > differences between StarOffice and OpenOffice and one would wonder why we > would want OpenOffice as it appears to have less functionality. > > Can someone clear all this up for me as I am attempting to create a working > desktop to replace the MS Desktops in our office. Basically think of OpenOffice and StarOffice in the same relationship as Mozilla and Netscape. OpenOffice is the open-source codebase, where StarOffice is the "Sun-enhanced" codebase, possibly enhanced with proprietary and/or third-party-licensed code - stuff they can't open-source because they don't own it. Conversely, StarOffice, if Sun has finally decided to only offer it commercially, will help pay for the continued development and support of OpenOffice. (It seems to be about the best open-source business plan around - commercial, more feature-filled version helps subsidise the development of the open-sourced and free version.) StarOffice will probably continue to be more feature-filled than OpenOffice, but OpenOffice will (hopefully) give rise to various associated projects, kind of like the way the OEOne computer uses a heavily modified Mozilla for it's UI, and the Galeon browser just uses the Mozilla rendering engine. Neither of which likely would have happened without Mozilla being around first. I'll predict that sooner or later someone will get around to building "standalone" (i.e. not part of "OpenOffice") word processing and spreadsheet apps based on the OpenOffice core, that don't require the rest of the OpenOffice stuff. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 13:51:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA10475 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:51:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA10472 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:51:37 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02737 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:51:07 -0500 Received: from spock (653227hfc210.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.27.210]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0FIoQu13687 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:50:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeff Barriault" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:50:23 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c19df5$7de6f180$0200a8c0@bench.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C44E37B.9060809@mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'll agree, pgaccess is a neat tool, but it comes nowhere close to a RAD tool like MS Access. Maybe someday someone will come out with something nice. -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Ronan Heffernan Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 9:21 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business > > >Access is harder, for it is a VB environemnt, and a reporting >tool, and does form layout -- > If you are using Postgres as a backend, there is a tool called "pgaccess". It pops-up a window with several tabs (ala MSAccess): Tables, Queries, Views, Sequences, Functions, Reports, Forms, Scripts, Users, Schema. It does have a built-in form editor (I haven't really tried to use it), and a Query-By-Grid SQL generator (haven't used it either). Double-clicking on a table opens an Access-ish grid that you can edit in-place just by clicking and typing. Interestingly, pgaccess creates ~6 tables in your Postgres database (all called pga_something), where it stores your forms, reports, queries, etc. This way, you don't have to drag these definitions around from machine to machine as files. Yes, the purist is vomiting at having these GUI-tool tables polluting their bright, shining schema, but if you use the GUI tool, this is a neat solution. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 14:26:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA10506 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:26:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA10503 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:26:58 -0500 Received: from mail15b.boca15-verio.com (mail15b.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA02938 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:26:27 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 03736041 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:24:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C448135.3090200@roblimo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:21:25 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business References: <1011119025.7424.4.camel@two> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM855; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Basically think of OpenOffice and StarOffice in the same relationship as > Mozilla and Netscape. OpenOffice is the open-source codebase, where > StarOffice is the "Sun-enhanced" codebase, possibly enhanced with > proprietary and/or third-party-licensed code - stuff they can't > open-source because they don't own it. Exactly. For example, Word Perfect support will never be offered in OpenOffice but is scheduled for inclusion in StarOffice 6, according to several "insiders" I know. The other thing is, as Derek pointed out, money. Expect StarOffice to stop being free (beer). And expect corporate management types to take it more seriously at $50 or $100 per license than they do now, and be more eager to deploy it because it is a "purchased" product with a "name" company behind it. Meanwhile, I expect (but have no evidence one way or the other) that commercial StarOffice will have a one-click install -- you've got to admit that the SO6 beta install is as easy as a Linux program install can get -- while OpenOffice will probably be released source only in the future or not include Java are something. In other words, you want easy and you want support, pay up, if you don't download and have fun. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 15:42:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA10697 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:42:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA10694 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:42:43 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA03446 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:42:12 -0500 Received: (qmail 26516 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2002 20:41:32 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 20:41:32 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:41:30 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] OpenOffice Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:41:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C448135.3090200@roblimo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Well, I downloaded the 24M/B Open Office and read the installation instructions. When I got to the hardware requirements as being 3 G/B free hard drive space, I choked. What in the world takes that much space and is that just an estimate of the space needed to store user files? Does anyone know just how much hard drive space it takes to install OpenOffice? Michael C. Rock From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 17:04:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA10958 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:04:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA10955 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:04:45 -0500 Received: from femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.148]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03938 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:04:15 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020115220334.QRDV9511.femail23.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:03:34 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OpenOffice Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:01:57 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201151701570C.23682@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 15 January 2002 15:41, you wrote: > Does anyone know just how much hard drive space it takes to install > OpenOffice? > > Michael C. Rock I 'spect that 3 gig number is a typo. StarOffice 6.0 seems to occupy only about 41 meg and that includes some user data files. Bill -- We're sorry for any inconvenience but, due to security concerns, we no longer accept documents in MS-Word *.doc format. Please submit documents in *.txt, *.htm or *.rtf formats. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 16:58:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA10952 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:58:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA10949 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:58:53 -0500 Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03913 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:58:23 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2002 21:57:41 -0000 Message-ID: <3C44A271.6070101@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:43:13 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux for Business References: <02011422110818.01225@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Mario Lombardo wrote: > I'm curious about MS-Word and Excel VB impregnated documents. How do > Linux non-MS apps handle this? Is it Glade? > > About Wordperfect. I installed a copy of WP for MS-95/98. If the Linux > version is anything like that, I think your clients will enjoy it more > than MS-Word. It has much more powerful word processing features at > your immediate control; instead of embedded in hierarchical menus. > Floating button boxes just get in the way of your WYSIWYG work. > > Mario > Though it is a good suite, I don't think the clients will enjoy the 2 mojor problems with the software: 1) INCREDIBLY slow. Because it runs on wine, the software is pretty slow, especially the first time it runs. 2) Keeps locking up. Unfortunatelly, after an hour an ha half or so of use, the software will lock up and then crash, destroying anything which was not saved. The first sign is that you won't be able to save. Form there on it's downhill. Also, pray that it wasn't in the middle of an "auto save" - that'll destroy even saved coppies. 3) The program has a propensity to require a foceable kill once in a while. It'' start running and just hang - for about 30 minutes, untill it decides to come put. The only solution is "killall -9 wordperfect". - this is, of course, of you're running anything else other than Stormix or Corel Linux. Again, the software IS decent and if your clients are looking at windows-like (including running VB macros), then this is deffinitelly what you're looking for. These are the biggest bugs I've found, however. They're big enough that I would think twice about putting that application an a production environment. Because of stability and usability, my vote has to go for StarOffice, even the 6.0 "beta" which runs pretty darn well. Corel WPO 2000 is a good app, but too many bugs keep it from being a great app. Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 17:44:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA10985 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:44:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA10978 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:44:33 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04120 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:43:58 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FMhDv18203 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:43:13 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1011119025.7424.4.camel@two> References: <1011119025.7424.4.camel@two> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:30:30 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: RE: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I checked out OEone's Flash demo. That thing is too cool! I'll have to read more of how they incorporated opensource into the final product http://www.oeone.com Mario >On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 08:52, Mikes work account wrote: >> I don't understand why two entities are following the same track on >> this,,with exceptions. I just read the OpenOffice statement on the >> differences between StarOffice and OpenOffice and one would wonder why we >> would want OpenOffice as it appears to have less functionality. >> >> Can someone clear all this up for me as I am attempting to create a working >> desktop to replace the MS Desktops in our office. > >Basically think of OpenOffice and StarOffice in the same relationship as >Mozilla and Netscape. OpenOffice is the open-source codebase, where >StarOffice is the "Sun-enhanced" codebase, possibly enhanced with >proprietary and/or third-party-licensed code - stuff they can't >open-source because they don't own it. Conversely, StarOffice, if Sun >has finally decided to only offer it commercially, will help pay for the >continued development and support of OpenOffice. (It seems to be about >the best open-source business plan around - commercial, more >feature-filled version helps subsidise the development of the >open-sourced and free version.) > >StarOffice will probably continue to be more feature-filled than >OpenOffice, but OpenOffice will (hopefully) give rise to various >associated projects, kind of like the way the OEOne computer uses a >8---snip---8< From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 17:44:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA10986 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:44:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA10982 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:44:33 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04119 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:43:58 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0FMhEv18213 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:43:14 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0201151701570C.23682@a.genesis.com> References: <0201151701570C.23682@a.genesis.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:41:59 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] OpenOffice Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug That's some typo! Hmmm forty-one megabytes. 4 minus 1 equals three...soooo it takes 3 gigs??? PERFECT! >On Tuesday 15 January 2002 15:41, you wrote: > >> Does anyone know just how much hard drive space it takes to install >> OpenOffice? >> >> Michael C. Rock > >I 'spect that 3 gig number is a typo. StarOffice 6.0 seems to occupy >only about 41 meg and that includes some user data files. > >Bill >-- >We're sorry for any inconvenience but, due to security concerns, we >no longer accept documents in MS-Word *.doc format. Please submit >documents in *.txt, *.htm or *.rtf formats. Thank you for your >understanding and cooperation. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 19:39:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA11096 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:39:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA11093 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:39:07 -0500 Received: from mail15b.boca15-verio.com (mail15b.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA04627 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:38:37 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 03866826 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:36:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C44CA58.3090303@roblimo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:33:28 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business References: <1011119025.7424.4.camel@two> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > I checked out OEone's Flash demo. That thing is too cool! I'll have to > read more of how they incorporated opensource into the final product > http://www.oeone.com Well... I happen to have an OEone box here. If enough people are interested, I could take it to the Brandon mtng. Thursday eve, let y'all play with it. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 19:39:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA11106 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:39:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA11103 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:39:46 -0500 Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04630 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:39:10 -0500 Received: from columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-096-103.columbus.rr.com [65.24.96.103]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0G0Xhl11561 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:33:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C44CB80.60908@columbus.rr.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:38:24 -0500 From: Paul Hostetler Organization: authoritative.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business References: <1011047643.22251.3.camel@midas> <200201142340.PAA06888@ns1.socaldns.com> <3C437CD0.3070209@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Robin (Roblimo) Miller wrote: [chop] > OpenOffice build 641 or later will do fine. Does Open Office have CJK support? From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 19:46:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA11112 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:46:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA11109 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:46:04 -0500 Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04662 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:45:34 -0500 Received: from columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-096-103.columbus.rr.com [65.24.96.103]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0G0e7l19670 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:40:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C44CCFF.90001@columbus.rr.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:44:47 -0500 From: Paul Hostetler Organization: authoritative.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 2.4.17 bug References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Russell Hires wrote: > Jan 6 21:10:45 localhost kernel: kernel BUG at page_alloc.c:170! > Jan 6 21:10:45 localhost kernel: kernel BUG at page_alloc.c:205! > Jan 6 21:10:48 localhost kernel: Oops: kernel access of bad area, sig: 11 sig: 11 == memory problem There may be an equivalent to memtest86 http://www.teresaudio.com/memtest86/ for PPC. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 19:58:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA11127 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:58:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA11124 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:58:43 -0500 Received: from ns1.socaldns.com ([216.240.135.106]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04718 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:58:07 -0500 Received: from there (242820hfc07.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.20.7]) by ns1.socaldns.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA10451 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:56:17 -0800 Message-Id: <200201160056.QAA10451@ns1.socaldns.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:01:02 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <0201141757470E.18212@a.genesis.com> <1011097416.26187.1.camel@midas> In-Reply-To: <1011097416.26187.1.camel@midas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug No. the BETA testing ended on Dec 31. They expect to ship 6.0 1st Q. I would love to see the beta you have... Steve On Tuesday 15 January 2002 07:23 am, you wrote: > Do you mean Sun has no intention of releasing a Star Office 6.0? > If so I'm shocked I never heard of that. > > Seth > > On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 17:57, Bill wrote: > > On Monday 14 January 2002 16:13, you wrote: > > > The powerpoint equiv. for Star Office 6.0. is called "Impress". > > > You can go to "www.openoffice.org" and download it. > > > > Sun has discontinued the SO 6.0 beta program as of Jan. 1. > > http://www.sun.com/staroffice/6.0beta/ > > Development has shifted over to Open Office. > > http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/ > > I have a copy of SO 6.0 beta downloaded Dec 31 > > Bill > > > > -- > > total used free shared buffers cached > > Mem: 1545352 1249836 295516 0 186528 732424 > > Swap: 401584 1932 399652 > > Total: 1946936 1251768 695168 > > Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz > > 5:46pm up 25 days, 15:49, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 21:36:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA11185 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:36:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA11182 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:36:01 -0500 Received: from mail15b.boca15-verio.com (mail15b.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA05066 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:35:26 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 03904012 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:33:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C44E5B5.4000109@roblimo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:30:13 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business References: <1011047643.22251.3.camel@midas> <200201142340.PAA06888@ns1.socaldns.com> <3C437CD0.3070209@roblimo.com> <3C44CB80.60908@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug >> OpenOffice build 641 or later will do fine. > > Does Open Office have CJK support? I'm not sure. I write about this stuff, but I don't work for Sun or OpenOffice.org. They'd be the ones to ask, eh? :) - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 22:51:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA11220 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:51:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA11217 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:51:26 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05316 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:50:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0G3o9E12266 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:50:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:50:09 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business In-Reply-To: <3C44E37B.9060809@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Ronan Heffernan wrote: > >Access is harder, for it is a VB environemnt, and a reporting > >tool, and does form layout -- > > > If you are using Postgres as a backend, there is a tool called > "pgaccess". It pops-up a window with several tabs (ala MSAccess): http://www.flex.ro/pgaccess/ ... wow --- looks just like the Unix glade VB-like environment ... and adding MySQL support looks trivial. Thanks for the steer. -- Russ herrold From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 15 23:16:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA11238 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:16:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA11235 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:16:14 -0500 Received: from mail15a.boca15-verio.com (mail15a.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA05403 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:15:44 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15a.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 04369293 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:14:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C44FD41.1010201@roblimo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:10:41 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] OpenOffice CJK References: <3C3D7C5A.8040006@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I got curious, found this page: http://tools.openoffice.org/openoffice_lang.html But I saw another note in the FAQ that implied OO would not have much in the way of font support; you'd have to get SO for that. And I dimly remember something about a separate CJK version of SO, with another name, for the East Asian market. Be kind of fun to watch SO head to head with Hancom Office, right? - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 01:41:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA11378 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:41:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA11375 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:41:28 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05916 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:40:49 -0500 Received: from there (242857hfc125.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.57.125]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0G6e8u18727 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:40:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201160640.g0G6e8u18727@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Jim To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] games Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:35:12 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <200201090844.g098i0207681@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200201090844.g098i0207681@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wednesday 09 January 2002 03:39 am, you wrote: > Hey! > I picked up two linux games at the Best Buy on Dale Mabry last night. > Quake 3 and Railroad Tycoon 2. They were $9.99 each, in the same area as > the distros. They had two of each (Now, they have one of each) > Jim :) Wow! I just received my own email yesterday. Must have got stuck in a cyberhole somewhere. I still haven't installed them yet. Jim From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 01:50:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA11408 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:50:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA11405 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:50:09 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05946 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:49:38 -0500 Received: from there (242857hfc125.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.57.125]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0G6mwu22919 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:48:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201160648.g0G6mwu22919@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Jim To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Elx linux Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:44:01 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I've been playing with this distro after seeing it at the last Brandon meeting. www.elxlinux.com I really like it. It's smoooooooth. I see that they are in the process of uploading rc2 to their website. It says it should only take a couple hours, although its been a couple days. The 'Network Neighborhood' works really well, and the pop-up windows are cool. Jim From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 06:26:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA11808 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:26:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA11805 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:26:32 -0500 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA06915 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:25:57 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2002 11:25:16 -0000 Message-ID: <3C45634C.A2EC98C9@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:26:04 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] Be suspisious of anyone standing up for Windows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I must say, after reading this article I'm going to be really suspicious of anyone standing up or trying defend Windows. :) They may be one of the Redmond spies trying to gather information on Linux so they can use it in their plans to kill Linux and any company the is support it. http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID=32424 Mike M -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:49:51 -0500 Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07173 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:49:21 -0500 From: Doumbeck1@aol.com Received: from Doumbeck1@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 4.86.1510f654 (18406) for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:48:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <86.1510f654.2976c294@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:48:36 EST Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If you go to www.gnome.org, you will see a section called Gnome Office iirc...There you will see various gnome solutions to MS Type Products. iirc the Power Point alternate was called Achtung. For MS Access, you probably want something like MySQL or PostGreSQL with a GNOME-DB front end. Check out the gnome site. Scot Mc Pherson From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 08:05:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA11887 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:05:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA11883 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:05:01 -0500 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07400 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:04:31 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-063.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.63] helo=localhost) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QpjK-0001Xh-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:03:51 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16QpjJ-0000BZ-01 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:03:49 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] NAT: It works! Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:41:17 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <1011118499.7423.2.camel@two> In-Reply-To: <1011118499.7423.2.camel@two> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 15 January 2002 01:14 pm, you wrote: > On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 00:11, Russell Hires wrote: > > I got the script working just fine, but when it's active it kills my smtp > > mail sending...I guess I'll go through the firewall presentation to > > figure out how to add a rule to allow mail to be sent via smtp. > > Huh????? > > What shows up in your logfiles? Is anything getting denied? (I'm back to dumb questions) Which log files should I be looking at? I looked at /var/log/messages, and the only thing it shows is Jan 15 23:15:19 localhost -- MARK -- I looked at /var/log/syslog, but it doesn't show anything, either... I'm wondering if there are any "leftovers" floating around my system from some experiments I was doing dealing with firewall utilities...how would I know what to look for? > > > On the machines behind the firewall, I had to do some basic configuration > > of dns, since names wouldn't resolve... > > That's also a little wierd. I've never noticed anything because I run a > DNS server on my internal network at home, but we've put that script on > firewall machines facing RoadRunner with Windows boxes behind and > they've been able to get DNS and do all the other things that normally > need to happen. > > (Lack of DNS might also affect SMTP traffic depending on how you have > your mailer set up.) > Well, the DNS problem was only on the internel machine. The Firewall machine doesn't have DNS problems at all...only when I enable the script. Is there a way to disable it? Thanks! Russell From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 08:05:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA11886 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:05:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA11879 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:05:01 -0500 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07399 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:04:31 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-063.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.63] helo=localhost) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QpjK-00004w-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:03:50 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16QpjJ-0000BZ-02 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:03:49 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] pgaccess Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:46:18 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey everyone, I saw the pgaccess link, and it's really cool. I've got pgaccess now, but how do I get it connected to my db? Russell Hires From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 08:41:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA11911 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:41:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA11908 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:41:58 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07479 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:41:23 -0500 Received: from midas.lan (6535195hfc126.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.195.126]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0GDegl23494 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:40:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business From: Seth Hollen To: "Slug@Nks. Net" In-Reply-To: <200201160056.QAA10451@ns1.socaldns.com> References: <0201141757470E.18212@a.genesis.com> <1011097416.26187.1.camel@midas> <200201160056.QAA10451@ns1.socaldns.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 16 Jan 2002 08:39:34 -0500 Message-Id: <1011188378.5549.1.camel@midas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I've got the staroffice beta on cd for windows and linux, i'd just have to find it. on a side note I installed staroffice on a new PC for my grandparents last night. (windows though :( ) Seth On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 20:01, steve wrote: > No. the BETA testing ended on Dec 31. They expect to ship 6.0 1st Q. > > I would love to see the beta you have... > > Steve > > On Tuesday 15 January 2002 07:23 am, you wrote: > > Do you mean Sun has no intention of releasing a Star Office 6.0? > > If so I'm shocked I never heard of that. > > > > Seth > > > > On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 17:57, Bill wrote: > > > On Monday 14 January 2002 16:13, you wrote: > > > > The powerpoint equiv. for Star Office 6.0. is called "Impress". > > > > You can go to "www.openoffice.org" and download it. > > > > > > Sun has discontinued the SO 6.0 beta program as of Jan. 1. > > > http://www.sun.com/staroffice/6.0beta/ > > > Development has shifted over to Open Office. > > > http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/ > > > I have a copy of SO 6.0 beta downloaded Dec 31 > > > Bill > > > > > > -- > > > total used free shared buffers cached > > > Mem: 1545352 1249836 295516 0 186528 732424 > > > Swap: 401584 1932 399652 > > > Total: 1946936 1251768 695168 > > > Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz > > > 5:46pm up 25 days, 15:49, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > -- Take care, Seth seth@hollen.org 727-919-1598 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 10:10:44 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA11993 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:10:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA11990 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:10:44 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07766 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:10:08 -0500 Received: (qmail 32250 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2002 15:09:27 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2002 15:09:27 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:09:23 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:08:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1011188378.5549.1.camel@midas> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I would nearly kill for that Beta. I said nearly,,, Is that some way I can get a copy? Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Seth Hollen Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:40 AM To: Slug@Nks. Net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business I've got the staroffice beta on cd for windows and linux, i'd just have to find it. on a side note I installed staroffice on a new PC for my grandparents last night. (windows though :( ) Seth On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 20:01, steve wrote: > No. the BETA testing ended on Dec 31. They expect to ship 6.0 1st Q. > > I would love to see the beta you have... > > Steve > > On Tuesday 15 January 2002 07:23 am, you wrote: > > Do you mean Sun has no intention of releasing a Star Office 6.0? > > If so I'm shocked I never heard of that. > > > > Seth > > > > On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 17:57, Bill wrote: > > > On Monday 14 January 2002 16:13, you wrote: > > > > The powerpoint equiv. for Star Office 6.0. is called "Impress". > > > > You can go to "www.openoffice.org" and download it. > > > > > > Sun has discontinued the SO 6.0 beta program as of Jan. 1. > > > http://www.sun.com/staroffice/6.0beta/ > > > Development has shifted over to Open Office. > > > http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/ > > > I have a copy of SO 6.0 beta downloaded Dec 31 > > > Bill > > > > > > -- > > > total used free shared buffers cached > > > Mem: 1545352 1249836 295516 0 186528 732424 > > > Swap: 401584 1932 399652 > > > Total: 1946936 1251768 695168 > > > Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz > > > 5:46pm up 25 days, 15:49, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > -- Take care, Seth seth@hollen.org 727-919-1598 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 10:17:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA12003 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:17:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA12000 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:16:59 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07788 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:16:29 -0500 Received: (qmail 2249 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2002 15:15:45 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2002 15:15:45 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:15:25 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] missing an opportinity Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:14:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1011188378.5549.1.camel@midas> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I think we have all been misdirecting our energies vis a vis this MS Vs Linux thing. You are not going to knock off MS,, get over it. What we can do to make inroads into their installed base is make a case for the security of 'Diversity'. None of us envisioned the WTC disaster, nor the Enron collapse. What happens if MS falls prey to its own greed? They have a huge bite to chew each month just to make payroll, not to mention 401-k's, pensions, healthcare, etc. they are desparately looking for a reliable revenue stream. Their new subscription 6.0 plan is falling on its face and XP has not set the world on fire at the stores. So where do they get their money to feed their large appetite? We should be suggesting that the IT community diversify for protection from just such a possibility. There are more than just a few IT executives that would consider that a very good reason to incorporate Linux in their IT plans. Actually, the Linux Workstation is a reality in most generic office situations and the Linux server has already proven itself. Rather that pointing out the fact that MS is a monoply, we sould simply suggest that diversity is healthy for the enterprise. It is much easier to make a case for the multi-platform office that an office without MS. Michael C. Rock From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 10:31:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA12028 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:31:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA12025 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:31:24 -0500 Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07874 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:30:49 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (reports [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95661C6211 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:29:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 7673736FA; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:29:45 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:29:45 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta X-Originating-Ip: [198.23.5.11] Message-Id: <20020116152945.7673736FA@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I've got a CD with it that I don't need if you'd like it. Carson Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA --- "Mikes work account" wrote: >I would nearly kill for that Beta. > >I said nearly,,, > >Is that some way I can get a copy? > >Michael C. Rock > >-----Original Message----- >From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Seth >Hollen >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:40 AM >To: Slug@Nks. Net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business > > >I've got the staroffice beta on cd for windows and linux, i'd just have >to find it. >on a side note I installed staroffice on a new PC for my grandparents >last night. (windows though :( ) > >Seth > >On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 20:01, steve wrote: >> No. the BETA testing ended on Dec 31. They expect to ship 6.0 1st Q. >> >> I would love to see the beta you have... >> >> Steve >> >> On Tuesday 15 January 2002 07:23 am, you wrote: >> > Do you mean Sun has no intention of releasing a Star Office 6.0? >> > If so I'm shocked I never heard of that. >> > >> > Seth >> > >> > On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 17:57, Bill wrote: >> > > On Monday 14 January 2002 16:13, you wrote: >> > > > The powerpoint equiv. for Star Office 6.0. is called "Impress". >> > > > You can go to "www.openoffice.org" and download it. >> > > >> > > Sun has discontinued the SO 6.0 beta program as of Jan. 1. >> > > http://www.sun.com/staroffice/6.0beta/ >> > > Development has shifted over to Open Office. >> > > http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/ >> > > I have a copy of SO 6.0 beta downloaded Dec 31 >> > > Bill >> > > >> > > -- >> > > total used free shared buffers cached >> > > Mem: 1545352 1249836 295516 0 186528 732424 >> > > Swap: 401584 1932 399652 >> > > Total: 1946936 1251768 695168 >> > > Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz >> > > 5:46pm up 25 days, 15:49, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 >> >-- >Take care, > >Seth >seth@hollen.org >727-919-1598 _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 11:19:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA12122 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:19:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA12119 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:19:29 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA08084 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:18:59 -0500 Received: (qmail 30074 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2002 16:18:18 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2002 16:18:18 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:18:15 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] OpenOffice CJK Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:17:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3C44FD41.1010201@roblimo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug You make reference to CJK. What is CJK? Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Robin (Roblimo) Miller Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:11 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] OpenOffice CJK I got curious, found this page: http://tools.openoffice.org/openoffice_lang.html But I saw another note in the FAQ that implied OO would not have much in the way of font support; you'd have to get SO for that. And I dimly remember something about a separate CJK version of SO, with another name, for the East Asian market. Be kind of fun to watch SO head to head with Hancom Office, right? - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 10:46:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA12052 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:46:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA12049 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:46:56 -0500 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07940 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:46:26 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.208.207.232.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.208.207.232] helo=Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QsG1-0003C9-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:45:45 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:42:19 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011610421901.01230@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 17 January 2002 10:08 am, you wrote: > I would nearly kill for that Beta. > > I said nearly,,, > > Is that some way I can get a copy? > > Michael C. Rock I have a copy of Open Office 6.0 for Linux (same as Star Office 6.0) on CD that if you are that desperate for it maybe we can arange a trade at the next Dunedian meeting. This is a from files I downloades. How does about 10 minutes of your opinions on how to networking or how to install libraries sound. Frank From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 11:10:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA12102 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:10:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA12099 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:10:21 -0500 Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08041 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:09:46 -0500 Received: from user-33qts93.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.241.35] helo=micro.hef) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Qsca-0004qC-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:09:04 -0500 Received: (qmail 19371 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2002 16:23:56 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO mindspring.com) (133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 16 Jan 2002 16:23:56 -0000 Message-ID: <3C4644D8.2070601@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:28:24 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] pgaccess References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Russell Hires wrote: >Hey everyone, > >I saw the pgaccess link, and it's really cool. I've got pgaccess now, but how >do I get it connected to my db? > >Russell Hires > 1) First, install PostgreSQL-7.1.3 (newest version, older versions should work within reason). 2) Make sure that you launch the postmaster with a "-i" argument, so that Postgres will accept TCP/IP connections, and not just local UNIX pipes. 3) Make sure that your /usr/local/pgsql/data/pg_hba.conf (or wherever that file sits), allows connections from the machine that you are using as a pgaccess client. One way to check: if you can't connect with psql, you can't connect with pgaccess. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 11:21:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA12133 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:21:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA12130 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:21:30 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA08092 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:21:00 -0500 Received: (qmail 30851 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2002 16:20:19 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2002 16:20:19 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:20:17 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:19:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020116152945.7673736FA@sitemail.everyone.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug YES and Yes and did I say YES? Where do you live or work? Or can you mail it? Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Carson Wilcox Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:30 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta I've got a CD with it that I don't need if you'd like it. Carson Carson R. Wilcox Senior Consultant DMR Consulting Tampa, FL USA --- "Mikes work account" wrote: >I would nearly kill for that Beta. > >I said nearly,,, > >Is that some way I can get a copy? > >Michael C. Rock > >-----Original Message----- >From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Seth >Hollen >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:40 AM >To: Slug@Nks. Net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question: Linux for Business > > >I've got the staroffice beta on cd for windows and linux, i'd just have >to find it. >on a side note I installed staroffice on a new PC for my grandparents >last night. (windows though :( ) > >Seth > >On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 20:01, steve wrote: >> No. the BETA testing ended on Dec 31. They expect to ship 6.0 1st Q. >> >> I would love to see the beta you have... >> >> Steve >> >> On Tuesday 15 January 2002 07:23 am, you wrote: >> > Do you mean Sun has no intention of releasing a Star Office 6.0? >> > If so I'm shocked I never heard of that. >> > >> > Seth >> > >> > On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 17:57, Bill wrote: >> > > On Monday 14 January 2002 16:13, you wrote: >> > > > The powerpoint equiv. for Star Office 6.0. is called "Impress". >> > > > You can go to "www.openoffice.org" and download it. >> > > >> > > Sun has discontinued the SO 6.0 beta program as of Jan. 1. >> > > http://www.sun.com/staroffice/6.0beta/ >> > > Development has shifted over to Open Office. >> > > http://www.sun.com/software/star/openoffice/ >> > > I have a copy of SO 6.0 beta downloaded Dec 31 >> > > Bill >> > > >> > > -- >> > > total used free shared buffers cached >> > > Mem: 1545352 1249836 295516 0 186528 732424 >> > > Swap: 401584 1932 399652 >> > > Total: 1946936 1251768 695168 >> > > Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz >> > > 5:46pm up 25 days, 15:49, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 >> >-- >Take care, > >Seth >seth@hollen.org >727-919-1598 _____________________________________________________________ Want a new web-based email account ? ---> http://www.firstlinux.net From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 11:41:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA12176 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:41:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA12173 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:41:09 -0500 Received: from mail15b.boca15-verio.com (mail15b.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA08194 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:40:39 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 04207907 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:38:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C45ABCF.1060601@roblimo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:35:27 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OpenOffice CJK References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Mikes work account wrote: > You make reference to CJK. What is CJK? > Michael C. Rock Chinese - Japanese - Korean character sets. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 11:47:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA12186 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:47:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA12183 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:47:51 -0500 Received: from jeremybowers.com (adsl-63-207-239-54.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net [63.207.239.54]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08217 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:47:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (ferret@localhost) by jeremybowers.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0GGhTg14270 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:43:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: jeremybowers.com: ferret owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:43:29 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bowers X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] missing an opportinity. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I think Michael's got a great line of thought going here. The particulars of what makes Linux great is that it is fully diversified. Don't like this distribution? Don't use it. Don't like this office product? Don't use it. However, I will have to kindly disagree on at least one point. First, the assertion that MS could be/will be headed for downfall. As much as I hate MS, they make money hand over fist. Their number one money loser is -- new software. Strangely enough, WinXP is selling at a loss, compared to how much research $$ they stuffed into it. Each box they sell at list price actually hurts the company. Their number one money gainer is -- old software. Again, strangely enough, the base which MS is working from now is licenses from WinNT and Win98, not to mention Win2000. University systems, large businesses, etc. And don't forget the full price licenses they "sell" to Dell, Gateway, Compaq, etc. Let's not ring the death bell yet. However, I don't think we need to argue that MS is going down the tubes in order to sell linux and avoid the polarizing "MS is a monopoly" discourse. I've been focusing on TCO, or total cost of ownership. An MS product will cost millions of dollars in capital expenditure, labor, and lost time over the course of 5-6 years. (nearly 2.4 million for MS Office) Linux is so cheap, it's like the game is rigged. If we look at even the most basic price/performance metric, there's not a business in the world that should be buying MS software. Finally, I've got an anecdote. I've been working really hard on a close friend who is IT director at a small company in Orlando. They were recently audited by MS to the tune of FOUR YEARS WORTH of their sofware budget. (i.e. it cost them 4x their whole software budget this year) The most damning thing for him? RedHat 6.2 on my K6-2 400 has been running steady for 262 days. I rebooted to upgrade to 7.2 a few months ago. His work boxes are constantly going down, and if he wanted to put the "new WinXP" in his office, he'd have to buy new, faster computers just to cut through the bloat. Result? He's setting up a test LAN, with ONE linux box becoming an active directory server, as well as serving up a UNIX app to their thinnet. And it's going to cost him nothing but time. No licensing fees. No audits. No security holes. No paying for an "upgrade" every two years. It's persuasive, I say. -- This message courtesy of PINE! It's the fresh scent, not the graphics. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 12:03:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA12239 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:03:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA12236 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:03:57 -0500 Received: from jeremybowers.com (adsl-63-207-239-54.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net [63.207.239.54]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08344 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:03:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (ferret@localhost) by jeremybowers.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0GGxZE14318 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:59:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: jeremybowers.com: ferret owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:59:35 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bowers X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] games In-Reply-To: <200201160640.g0G6e8u18727@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Check out lokigames.com They're the leading porter of *cough* MS *cough* games to linux. I quite enjoy Railroad Tycoon and Kohan:Immortal Sovereigns. Downside: They're outrageously expensive. $9.99 is a pittance - must be a nice Best Buy! -- This message courtesy of PINE! It's the fresh scent, not the graphics. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 12:07:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA12244 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:07:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA12241 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:07:06 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08354 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:06:33 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA19114 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:05:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] NAT: It works! From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: <1011118499.7423.2.camel@two> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 16 Jan 2002 12:05:49 -0500 Message-Id: <1011200749.3316.2.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 23:41, Russell Hires wrote: > > What shows up in your logfiles? Is anything getting denied? > (I'm back to dumb questions) Which log files should I be looking at? I looked > at /var/log/messages, and the only thing it shows is Jan 15 23:15:19 > localhost -- MARK -- > I looked at /var/log/syslog, but it doesn't show anything, either... > > I'm wondering if there are any "leftovers" floating around my system from > some experiments I was doing dealing with firewall utilities...how would I > know what to look for? Hmm, look at /etc/syslogd.conf and see where it's configured to log "info" log messages. That's where any iptables messages should get logged with the script I sent. All the debian systems I've seen put "info" messages in /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog. Are you running syslogd and klogd? > Well, the DNS problem was only on the internel machine. The Firewall machine > doesn't have DNS problems at all...only when I enable the script. Is there a > way to disable it? The way to clear the iptables rules is to do something like: iptables -F iptables -t nat -F (look near the top of the script I posted to the list for the actual commands - there's also a "-X" which clears out any user-defined chains, although I don't think I made any in that script.) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 11:45:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA12181 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:45:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA12178 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:45:32 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08204 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:45:01 -0500 Received: from 242858hfc165.tampabay.rr.com (242858hfc165.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.58.165]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0GGiKa12644 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:44:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Be suspisious of anyone standing up for Windows From: Ed Benjamin To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C45634C.A2EC98C9@yahoo.com> References: <3C45634C.A2EC98C9@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.0.99+cvs.2001.12.18.08.57 (Preview Release) Date: 16 Jan 2002 11:25:18 -0500 Message-Id: <1011198324.4679.1.camel@Sandy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Shouldn't this be sent to the juge on the M$ monopoly case? On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 06:26, Mike Manchester wrote: > > I must say, after reading this article I'm going to be really suspicious > of anyone standing up or trying defend Windows. :) They may be one of > the Redmond spies trying to gather information on Linux so they can use > it in their plans to kill Linux and any company the is support it. > > http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID=32424 > > > Mike M > -- > perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'< c496e657870225f636b6371202d49636f62737f6664702355736b637 > 12a0 > RM > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 13:06:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA12322 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:06:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA12319 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:06:22 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08710 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:05:52 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc43 (24285hfc43.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.43]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0GI5B313731 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:05:11 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] games Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:09:55 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200201090844.g098i0207681@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> <200201160640.g0G6e8u18727@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200201160640.g0G6e8u18727@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011613095501.01252@24285hfc43> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I dunno when you sent it, but I got it a long time ago. ISP mail server issue? Glen On Wednesday 16 January 2002 01:35, you wrote: > On Wednesday 09 January 2002 03:39 am, you wrote: > > Hey! > > I picked up two linux games at the Best Buy on Dale Mabry last night. > > Quake 3 and Railroad Tycoon 2. They were $9.99 each, in the same area as > > the distros. They had two of each (Now, they have one of each) > > Jim :) > > Wow! I just received my own email yesterday. Must have got stuck in a > cyberhole somewhere. I still haven't installed them yet. > Jim From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 17:45:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA12630 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:45:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA12627 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:45:50 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA10075 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:45:20 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ta195253 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:46:37 -0500 Message-ID: <005301c19edf$dad48160$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <200201090844.g098i0207681@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> <200201160640.g0G6e8u18727@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> <02011613095501.01252@24285hfc43> Subject: Re: [SLUG] games Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:48:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug How can I configure Apache to stop logging these entries? 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:01 -0500] "GET /scripts/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 300 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:02 -0500] "GET /MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 298 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:03 -0500] "GET /c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 308 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:04 -0500] "GET /d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 308 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:05 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 322 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:06 -0500] "GET /_vti_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 339 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:07 -0500] "GET /_mem_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 339 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:08 -0500] "GET /msadc/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c/..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../winnt/sy stem32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 355 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:08 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 321 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:09 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%c0%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 321 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:10 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 321 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:11 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%c1%9c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 321 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:12 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 400 305 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:13 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%%35c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 400 305 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:15 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%25%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 322 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:16 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 322 In one week the web log file on this machine grew to 3MB in one week, from this alone. It just began serving. I know what they are. I can post process the log file to discard them, but how can I configure apache to sto logging them? From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 17:25:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA12609 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:25:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA12606 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:25:42 -0500 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA10012 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:25:11 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2002 22:24:03 -0000 Message-ID: <3C45FDB3.D6D1663A@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:24:51 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] sending a file attachment with mail from the command line Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm trying to setup an automated database backup. I'm using mysqldump to dump the data to a text file and then tar the file up (it's not a large database) and then I would like to send it to a user on a differnet system. This is the command I'm using mail -s "mebs backup" somone@somewhere.com < mebsbackup.tgz This will send the file but not as an attachement to the email. I do get the contents of the file but I was hoping for a file "mebsbackup.tgz" that I could save on my system. Any ideas how to do this? Thanks Mike M -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:15:48 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10602 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:15:18 -0500 Received: from vroomfondel (653415hfc81.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.15.81]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0H1EW300248 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:14:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Samuel C. Adams" To: "slug list" Subject: [SLUG] pop-up stopper Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:11:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does anyone know of a pop-up stopper for linux? The ones I have for windows works like a champ - but it doesn't appear to be portable. I'd like to have one that works for netscape on linux. I've searched but no luck so far. Any ideas? Thanks, Sam From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 19:57:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA12731 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:57:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA12728 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:57:18 -0500 Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10525 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:56:43 -0500 Received: from columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-096-103.columbus.rr.com [65.24.96.103]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0H0pHl12092 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:51:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C46211D.1050106@columbus.rr.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:55:57 -0500 From: Paul Hostetler Organization: authoritative.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OpenOffice CJK References: <3C3D7C5A.8040006@roblimo.com> <3C44FD41.1010201@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The CJK version of Star Office is called StarSuite. Robin (Roblimo) Miller wrote: > > I got curious, found this page: > > http://tools.openoffice.org/openoffice_lang.html > > But I saw another note in the FAQ that implied OO would not have much in > the way of font support; you'd have to get SO for that. > > And I dimly remember something about a separate CJK version of SO, with > another name, for the East Asian market. Be kind of fun to watch SO head > to head with Hancom Office, right? > > - Robin > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 21:27:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA12851 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:27:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA12848 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:27:05 -0500 Received: from femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.33]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10855 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:26:29 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020117022548.HNOV7783.femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:25:48 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:24:08 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201162124080C.03922@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 17 January 2002 11:19, you wrote: ftp://www.anhonestdesire.com/pub the so* files. They will not be available past the weekend so get'em while they are hot. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1337340 208012 0 66860 964708 Swap: 401584 1808 399776 Total: 1946936 1339148 607788 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 9:21pm up 27 days, 19:24, 3 users, load average: 0.04, 0.05, 0.00 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 21:42:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA12862 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:42:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA12859 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:42:00 -0500 Received: from valiant.cnchost.com (valiant.concentric.net [207.155.252.9]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10918 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:41:25 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by valiant.cnchost.com id VAA21028; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:40:44 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16R2Xe-0005Tg-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:44:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:44:28 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: Slug List Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM blackhole lists? Message-ID: <20020116214428.A21030@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , Slug List References: <20020115031845.GA1807@fourier.mat> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from herrold@owlriver.com on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 10:48:35PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 10:48:35PM -0500, Russ Herrold wrote: > I use several and am very active with orbz > Orbz has ZERO false positives -- ZERO -- for every listing is > backed up with a piece from the ORBZ tester. > After some idiot sent me about 50 identical emails in one day, and after the spam seems to have picked up a lot lately, I just jacked my email plumbing into ORBZ. Now, let's say an "innocent" person gets caught in this, and their email is rejected. Assuming they now can't contact you about being rejected or whatever, how do you know that their email was even rejected? Paul From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 22:27:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA12943 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:27:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA12940 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:26:51 -0500 Received: from web20408.mail.yahoo.com (web20408.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.127]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11098 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:26:21 -0500 Message-ID: <20020117032540.61319.qmail@web20408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.220.114.206] by web20408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:25:40 PST Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:25:40 -0800 (PST) From: Rodney Phillips Subject: [SLUG] Star Office 6.0 Beta To: slug@nks.net Cc: rodney@xmios.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I would like to get a copy of Star Office 6.0 Beta fast. Could any one bring a copy to the SLUG mmeting Thursday the 17th at Computer Advantage in Brandon? I could make other arrangements if neessary. I can also burn a copy and return it. Thanks, Rodney Phillips __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 21:49:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA12885 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:49:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA12882 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:48:56 -0500 Received: from pop009pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.236]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10943 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:48:21 -0500 Received: from gte.net (tamqfl1-ar3-107-014.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.107.14]) by pop009pub.verizon.net with ESMTP for ; id g0H2liwn024938 Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:47:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3C463BB4.1030406@gte.net> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:49:24 -0500 From: Robert M Mulroy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20011226 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] pop-up stopper References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Samuel C. Adams wrote: >Does anyone know of a pop-up stopper for linux? The ones >I have for windows works like a champ - but it doesn't appear >to be portable. I'd like to have one that works for netscape >on linux. I've searched but no luck so far. Any ideas? Thanks, > >Sam > you may want to look at webwasher. here is the url for there home page http://www.webwasher.com/en/products/wwash/index.htm free for home use Bob From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 21:54:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA12900 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:54:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA12897 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:54:15 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10970 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:53:45 -0500 Received: from there (242855hfc73.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.55.73]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0H2r4807500 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:53:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201170253.g0H2r4807500@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Logging telnet access Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:49:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hello all. We are working on a 3rd party software package that makes telnet connections from a database. We are having a problem because we cannot see what the app is sending to the server and it is failing to log in. Is there a way to log what a specific user types for login id and password? We need to see what this automated app is sending because it fails to log in. Thanks Russ W From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 22:13:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA12932 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:13:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA12929 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:12:59 -0500 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11048 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:12:29 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-063.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.63] helo=localhost) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16R2xw-0007Bs-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:11:48 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16R2xt-0000oj-00 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:11:45 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] pop-up stopper Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:11:44 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug konqueror has an option under Settings->konqueror->Javascript at the bottom of the window that says "Popup Policy": Just choose your own adventure! HTH Russell On Wednesday 16 January 2002 08:11 pm, you wrote: > Does anyone know of a pop-up stopper for linux? The ones > I have for windows works like a champ - but it doesn't appear > to be portable. I'd like to have one that works for netscape > on linux. I've searched but no luck so far. Any ideas? Thanks, > > Sam From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 22:53:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA12973 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:53:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA12970 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:53:50 -0500 Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11169 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:53:20 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-063.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.63] helo=localhost) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16R3bQ-0003OH-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:52:36 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16R3bN-0000qZ-00 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:52:33 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] NAT: It works! Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:52:32 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <1011200749.3316.2.camel@two> In-Reply-To: <1011200749.3316.2.camel@two> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Hmm, look at /etc/syslogd.conf and see where it's configured to log > "info" log messages. That's where any iptables messages should get > logged with the script I sent. Well, I don't have a /etc/syslogd.conf, though I do have syslog.conf (I'm not being persnickety, since these little differences can mean a lot in Linux), and it says where to put the messages... > All the debian systems I've seen put "info" messages in > /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog. Are you running syslogd and > klogd? And yes, I checked. I'm running these two daemons... What a puzzle! Thanks for the help! Russell > > Well, the DNS problem was only on the internel machine. The Firewall > > machine doesn't have DNS problems at all...only when I enable the script. > > Is there a way to disable it? > > The way to clear the iptables rules is to do something like: > > iptables -F > iptables -t nat -F > > (look near the top of the script I posted to the list for the actual > commands - there's also a "-X" which clears out any user-defined chains, > although I don't think I made any in that script.) From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 16 23:09:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA12981 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:09:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA12978 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:09:28 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (242829hfc118.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.29.118]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11215 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:08:52 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (localhost.mat [127.0.0.1]) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g0H48BbX002595 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:08:11 -0500 Received: (from billt@localhost) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g0H48BQM002593 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:08:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:08:11 -0500 From: Bill Triplett To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM blackhole lists? Message-ID: <20020117040811.GA2565@fourier.mat> References: <20020115031845.GA1807@fourier.mat> <20020116214428.A21030@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020116214428.A21030@quillandmouse.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 09:44:28PM -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 10:48:35PM -0500, Russ Herrold wrote: > > > > > I use several and am very active with orbz > > > > > Orbz has ZERO false positives -- ZERO -- for every listing is > > backed up with a piece from the ORBZ tester. > > > > After some idiot sent me about 50 identical emails in one day, and after > the spam seems to have picked up a lot lately, I just jacked my email > plumbing into ORBZ. Now, let's say an "innocent" person gets caught in > this, and their email is rejected. Assuming they now can't contact you > about being rejected or whatever, how do you know that their email was > even rejected? It shows up in the logs. With sendmail you can customize the reject message. Maybe offer them an email address to complain to (like abuse@). Then designate abuse@ as a SPAMFRIEND in the access.db and configure sendmail to delay the orbz check until the RCPT TO: part of the email transaction has arrived. The admin or sender will be able to state his or her case to abuse@, then if they seem legit, add their server to the access.db as OK. That is how I've set it up at work, after only two days of experience with orbz. So perhaps there is a more straightforward way to do this. I have no idea how other MTAs would handle this... From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 00:39:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA13219 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:39:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA13216 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:39:54 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11680 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:39:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0H5ccE25966 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:38:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:38:38 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: Slug List Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM blackhole lists? In-Reply-To: <20020117040811.GA2565@fourier.mat> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Bill Triplett wrote: > The admin or sender will be able to state his or her case to abuse@, > then if they seem legit, add their server to the access.db as OK. > > That is how I've set it up at work, after only two days of experience > with orbz. So perhaps there is a more straightforward way to do this. ... no -- you have it correct. From part of my sendmail.mc: divert(-1) dnl This is the sendmail macro config file. If you make changes to this file, dnl you need the sendmail-cf rpm installed and then have to generate a dnl new /etc/sendmail.cf by running the following command: dnl dnl m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > /etc/sendmail.cf dnl <<>> include(`/usr/share/sendmail-cf/m4/cf.m4') dnl dnl define(`SMTP_MAILER_MAX',`10000000')dnl define(`confMaxMessageSize',`10000000')dnl dnl RPH dnl FEATURE(`delay_checks', `friend') dnl enables spamfriend test dnl dnl RPH - 010924 dnl dnl FEATURE(delay_checks)dnl dnl RPH dnl dnl dnl dnl man shows $& -- plain $ fails dnl FEATURE(dnsbl,`inputs.orbz.org',`Rejected due to Open Relay status - see http://www.orbz.org?$&{client_addr}')dnl dnl dnl FEATURE(dnsbl,`orbs.dorkslayers.com',`Rejected due to Open Relay status - see http://www.dorkslayers.com/')dnl dnl dnl FEATURE(dnsbl,`relays.osirusoft.com',`Rejected due to Open Relay status - see http://Relays.OsiruSoft.com/')dnl dnl dnl FEATURE(dnsbl,`relays.ordb.org',`Rejected due to Open Relay status - see http://www.ordb.org/')dnl dnl dnl FEATURE(dnsbl,`or.orbl.org',`Rejected due to Open Relay status - see http://www.orbl.org/')dnl dnl dnl dnl website dead 010912 dnl dnl FEATURE(dnsbl,`relays.orbs.org',`Rejected - see http://www.orbs.org')dnl dnl dnl dnl FEATURE(dnsbl,`outputs.orbz.org',`Rejected - see http://www.orbz.org/')dnl dnl dnl FEATURE(dnsbl,`rbl.maps.vix.com',`Rejected due to Open Relay status - see http://www.maps.vix.com/')dnl dnl dnl <<< ... >>> From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 00:44:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA13243 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:44:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA13240 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:44:50 -0500 Received: from femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11702 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:44:14 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020117054320.ONWI2359.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:43:20 -0800 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; charset="iso-8859-1"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_FHI2IXACQZEDODVF424C" From: Bill Subject: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] OT: Another just in... Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:41:39 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201170041270J.03922@a.genesis.com> To: SUNCOAST LUG Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --------------Boundary-00=_FHI2IXACQZEDODVF424C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thought I'd pass this along. (Play Twilight Zone theme) http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/058088.htm Bill In the next life, you're on your own. --Firesign Theatre ------------------------------------------------------- -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1386568 158784 0 126400 964928 Swap: 401584 1808 399776 Total: 1946936 1388376 558560 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 12:39amup 27 days, 22:42, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 --------------Boundary-00=_FHI2IXACQZEDODVF424C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; charset="utf-8"; name="signature.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8RlfvjuK6XdQLK0ARAskXAKDTTYFXPtwu1teKXCvN2KsH8DlVqACeL0zH UhoyLgc/wE7n8eOnS9i4Srk= =0Szh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------Boundary-00=_FHI2IXACQZEDODVF424C-- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 07:49:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA13969 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:49:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA13966 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:49:00 -0500 Received: from bnfep03.boone.winstar.net (bnfep03w.boone.winstar.net [63.140.240.55]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13519 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:48:25 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([63.141.67.114]) by bnfep03.boone.winstar.net with ESMTP id <20020117124744.KUDB458.bnfep03@dallas.utilpart.com> for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:47:44 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:47:37 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A45A@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:47:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Bill Just tried to go and get the files from work, I get a time out. I too want to get the beta. I thought I had downloaded it the other day but somehow got the older files (do not know how but I did) -----Original Message----- From: Bill [mailto:selinux@home.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 09:24 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta On Thursday 17 January 2002 11:19, you wrote: ftp://www.anhonestdesire.com/pub the so* files. They will not be available past the weekend so get'em while they are hot. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1337340 208012 0 66860 964708 Swap: 401584 1808 399776 Total: 1946936 1339148 607788 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 9:21pm up 27 days, 19:24, 3 users, load average: 0.04, 0.05, 0.00 ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. 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Jason On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Russ Wright wrote: > Hello all. > > We are working on a 3rd party software package that makes telnet connections > from a database. We are having a problem because we cannot see what the app > is sending to the server and it is failing to log in. > > Is there a way to log what a specific user types for login id and password? > We need to see what this automated app is sending because it fails to log in. > > > Thanks > Russ W > > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 09:03:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA14026 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:03:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA14023 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:03:11 -0500 Received: from mcncmdm1exims3.marriott.com (host254.marriott.com [162.130.1.254]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13776 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:02:33 -0500 Received: by mcncmdm1exims3.marriott.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:01:53 -0500 Message-ID: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F8560975288C@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> From: "Grantham, Patrick" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: [SLUG] filtering the apache http_access.log Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:59:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Pardon the second post of this. I should have changed the subj line. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Grantham [mailto:pwgrant@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 5:48 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] games How can I configure Apache to stop logging these entries? 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:01 -0500] "GET /scripts/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 300 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:02 -0500] "GET /MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 298 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:03 -0500] "GET /c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 308 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:04 -0500] "GET /d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 308 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:05 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 322 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:06 -0500] "GET /_vti_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 339 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:07 -0500] "GET /_mem_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 339 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:08 -0500] "GET /msadc/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c/..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../winnt/sy stem32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 355 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:08 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 321 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:09 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%c0%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 321 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:10 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 321 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:11 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%c1%9c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 321 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:12 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 400 305 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:13 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%%35c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 400 305 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:15 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%25%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 322 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:16 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 322 In one week the web log file on this machine grew to 3MB in one week, from this alone. It just began serving. I know what they are. I can post process the log file to discard them, but how can I configure apache to sto logging them? From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 08:30:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA14011 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:30:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA14007 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:30:28 -0500 Received: from snoopy.tblc.org (snoopy.tblc.lib.fl.us [206.72.132.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13682 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:29:58 -0500 Received: from bernie.tblc.org (bernie.tblc.org [206.72.132.8]) by snoopy.tblc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0012002B3 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 08:33:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] Redmond + ELX From: Ben Ostrowsky To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 17 Jan 2002 08:32:03 -0500 Message-Id: <1011274323.5422.40.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Roblimo's ELX review on Newsforge quotes several of us, so what better forum to suggest that if ELX Linux and Redmond Linux do join forces, perhaps they should call the result Red Elks. We could always use more cute animal mascots, and as long as the elks don't wear chapeaux, the infighting from That Other Distro might not be so bad. :) Ben From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 10:04:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14062 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:04:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14059 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:04:44 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14004 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:04:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 26082 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2002 15:03:28 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2002 15:03:28 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:03:25 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] staroffice 6.0 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:03:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <1011274323.5422.40.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Just went to the anhonestdesire web site and downloaded the 6.0 demo. What gives? what are the soa_6 and sop_6 binaries? do I need them as well? Michael C. Rock From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 10:13:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14075 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:13:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14072 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:13:26 -0500 Received: from femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.26]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14042 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:12:56 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020117151215.WBWL21740.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:12:15 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:10:32 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A45A@dallas.utilpart.com> In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A45A@dallas.utilpart.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201171010320Q.03922@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 17 January 2002 07:47, you wrote: > Bill > Just tried to go and get the files from work, I get a time out. > I too want to get the beta. I thought I had downloaded it the > other day but somehow got the older files (do not know how but > I did) > As I write this, it is coming at me at 325 kB/s (err ... 340 kB/s and climbing), so I'm not sure what the problem could have been. All I can suggest is that you try again. I got an email from my son last night that said he was in the process of downloading the whole directory (the other files in the directory are geneology related) ... so maybe you crossed paths with him? I dunno. Well, I got all 118.9 MB of the so-6_0-beta-linux-en.bin file just now. Keep trying. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1427400 117952 0 163000 968556 Swap: 401584 1808 399776 Total: 1946936 1429208 517728 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 10:03amup 28 days, 8:06, 3 users, load average: 0.13, 0.06, 0.03 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 10:34:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14082 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:34:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14079 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:34:18 -0500 Received: from femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.20]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14152 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:33:48 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020117153307.ESPT11401.femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:33:07 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] staroffice 6.0 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:31:25 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201171031250U.03922@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Friday 18 January 2002 10:03, you wrote: > Just went to the anhonestdesire web site and downloaded the 6.0 > demo. What gives? what are the soa_6 and sop_6 binaries? do I > need them as well? > > Michael C. Rock They are the adabas db and the presentation binaries., I think. Additional functionality not available through Open Office Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1441304 104048 0 163364 976096 Swap: 401584 1808 399776 Total: 1946936 1443112 503824 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 10:29amup 28 days, 8:32, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.09 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 12:43:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA14176 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:43:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA14173 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:43:58 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14777 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:43:25 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30336 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:42:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] worm log entries From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <005301c19edf$dad48160$4401a8c0@patrick> References: <200201090844.g098i0207681@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> <200201160640.g0G6e8u18727@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> <02011613095501.01252@24285hfc43> <005301c19edf$dad48160$4401a8c0@patrick> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 17 Jan 2002 12:42:39 -0500 Message-Id: <1011289360.4923.3.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 17:48, Patrick Grantham wrote: > How can I configure Apache to stop logging these entries? > 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:01 -0500] "GET /scripts/root.exe?/c+dir > HTTP/1.0" 404 300 [etc] The simple, but incomplete answer is, "Use apache's rewrite engine to block those accesses entirely." I thought I had a server that had a bunch of those rewrite rules in place to block stuff like CodeRed and Nimda, but now I can't figure out where it is, so I can't post the relevant sections. It's pretty straightforward though. > In one week the web log file on this machine grew to 3MB in one week, from > this alone. It just began serving. I know what they are. I can post > process the log file to discard them, but how can I configure apache to sto > logging them? Heh... a whole 3MB? *snigger* (thinking about our big production web servers that have racked up 1.5GB of logfiles in a week worth of worm activity...) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 12:50:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA14191 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:50:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA14188 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:50:00 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14812 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:49:29 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30394 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:48:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] OT: Another just in... From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <0201170041270J.03922@a.genesis.com> References: <0201170041270J.03922@a.genesis.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 17 Jan 2002 12:48:43 -0500 Message-Id: <1011289723.4922.11.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 00:41, Bill wrote: > Thought I'd pass this along. (Play Twilight Zone theme) > > http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/058088.htm I just get "Not Found" on that URL... -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 13:34:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA14294 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:34:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14291 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:34:28 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15055 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:33:53 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc28 (24285hfc28.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.28]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0HIXBm12278 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:33:11 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:38:00 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A45A@dallas.utilpart.com> In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A45A@dallas.utilpart.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011713380000.01252@24285hfc28> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If you'll be at the next Dunedin meeting (about a week away), I'll bring CDs. Glen On Thursday 17 January 2002 07:47, you wrote: > Bill > Just tried to go and get the files from work, I get a time out. > I too want to get the beta. I thought I had downloaded it the > other day but somehow got the older files (do not know how but > I did) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill [mailto:selinux@home.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 09:24 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta > > > On Thursday 17 January 2002 11:19, you wrote: > > ftp://www.anhonestdesire.com/pub > > the so* files. > > They will not be available past the weekend so get'em while they are > hot. > > Bill From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 12:44:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA14181 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:44:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA14178 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:44:35 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14780 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:44:02 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30346 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:43:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Logging telnet access From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200201170253.g0H2r4807500@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200201170253.g0H2r4807500@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 17 Jan 2002 12:43:17 -0500 Message-Id: <1011289397.4923.5.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 19:49, Russ Wright wrote: > Hello all. > > We are working on a 3rd party software package that makes telnet connections > from a database. We are having a problem because we cannot see what the app > is sending to the server and it is failing to log in. > > Is there a way to log what a specific user types for login id and password? > We need to see what this automated app is sending because it fails to log in. (root) # tcpdump port telnet -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 12:48:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA14186 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:48:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA14183 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:48:06 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14800 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:47:33 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30381 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:46:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] NAT: It works! From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: <1011200749.3316.2.camel@two> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 17 Jan 2002 12:46:47 -0500 Message-Id: <1011289607.4922.9.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 22:52, Russell Hires wrote: > > Hmm, look at /etc/syslogd.conf and see where it's configured to log > > "info" log messages. That's where any iptables messages should get > > logged with the script I sent. > Well, I don't have a /etc/syslogd.conf, though I do have syslog.conf (I'm not > being persnickety, since these little differences can mean a lot in Linux), > and it says where to put the messages... That would be the one then. > > All the debian systems I've seen put "info" messages in > > /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog. Are you running syslogd and > > klogd? > And yes, I checked. I'm running these two daemons... Is there a line with something like "info.*" or "*.=info" in it that points to a particular logfile? If so, that's where your log messages will go. If not, then you would either need to add one, or change the "--log-level info" to some other level that *does* exist in your particular syslog config so that those messages get logged. If you don't mind having the messages constantly scrolling across your console (annoying if you're logged in directly) just remove the "--log-level info" part of the iptables commands entirely and everything should get logged at a higher level which *will* go to /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog - unless your syslog config is *totally* borked, in which case, there's not much you can do except fix your syslog. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 13:39:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA14306 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:39:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14303 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:39:24 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15073 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:38:54 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc28 (24285hfc28.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.28]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0HIcDm21327 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:38:13 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] OT: Another just in... Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:43:02 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0201170041270J.03922@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: <0201170041270J.03922@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011713430201.01252@24285hfc28> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug What was this about? It won't let me have it. Glen On Thursday 17 January 2002 00:41, you wrote: > Thought I'd pass this along. (Play Twilight Zone theme) > > http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/058088.htm > > Bill > > > In the next life, you're on your own. > --Firesign Theatre > > ------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; charset="utf-8"; name="signature.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part ---------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 13:54:17 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA14315 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:54:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14312 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:54:16 -0500 Received: from mcncmdm1exims1.marriott.com (host254.marriott.com [162.130.1.254]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15112 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:53:38 -0500 Received: by mcncmdm1exims1.marriott.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:52:58 -0500 Message-ID: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F85609752892@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> From: "Grantham, Patrick" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] worm log entries Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:50:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug These just came on line. My point was there should eb NO traffic. It's 3MB of just this. -----Original Message----- From: Derek Glidden [mailto:dglidden@illusionary.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 12:43 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] worm log entries On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 17:48, Patrick Grantham wrote: > How can I configure Apache to stop logging these entries? > 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:01 -0500] "GET /scripts/root.exe?/c+dir > HTTP/1.0" 404 300 [etc] The simple, but incomplete answer is, "Use apache's rewrite engine to block those accesses entirely." I thought I had a server that had a bunch of those rewrite rules in place to block stuff like CodeRed and Nimda, but now I can't figure out where it is, so I can't post the relevant sections. It's pretty straightforward though. > In one week the web log file on this machine grew to 3MB in one week, from > this alone. It just began serving. I know what they are. I can post > process the log file to discard them, but how can I configure apache to sto > logging them? Heh... a whole 3MB? *snigger* (thinking about our big production web servers that have racked up 1.5GB of logfiles in a week worth of worm activity...) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 14:15:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA14345 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:15:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA14342 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:15:00 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA15191 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:14:30 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ga195318 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:15:47 -0500 Message-ID: <01d401c19f8b$13be1760$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <200201090844.g098i0207681@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com><200201160640.g0G6e8u18727@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com><02011613095501.01252@24285hfc43> <005301c19edf$dad48160$4401a8c0@patrick> <1011289360.4923.3.camel@two> Subject: Re: [SLUG] worm log entries Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:13:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Where would be the best, first place to start to read about, , "Use apache's rewrite engine to block those accesses entirely." to learn all the particulars? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Glidden" To: Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] worm log entries > On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 17:48, Patrick Grantham wrote: > > How can I configure Apache to stop logging these entries? > > 66.126.9.103 - - [02/Jan/2002:14:38:01 -0500] "GET /scripts/root.exe?/c+dir > > HTTP/1.0" 404 300 > > [etc] > > The simple, but incomplete answer is, "Use apache's rewrite engine to > block those accesses entirely." I thought I had a server that had a > bunch of those rewrite rules in place to block stuff like CodeRed and > Nimda, but now I can't figure out where it is, so I can't post the > relevant sections. It's pretty straightforward though. > > > In one week the web log file on this machine grew to 3MB in one week, from > > this alone. It just began serving. I know what they are. I can post > > process the log file to discard them, but how can I configure apache to sto > > logging them? > > Heh... a whole 3MB? *snigger* (thinking about our big production web > servers that have racked up 1.5GB of logfiles in a week worth of worm > activity...) > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ > http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 14:23:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA14356 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:23:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA14353 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:23:07 -0500 Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15222 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:22:32 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020117192151.EGPI28203.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:21:51 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] OT: Another just in... Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:20:07 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0201170041270J.03922@a.genesis.com> <1011289723.4922.11.camel@two> In-Reply-To: <1011289723.4922.11.camel@two> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201171420070Y.03922@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 17 January 2002 12:48, you wrote: > On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 00:41, Bill wrote: > > Thought I'd pass this along. (Play Twilight Zone theme) > > > > http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/058088.htm > > I just get "Not Found" on that URL... Oops ... took you too long. All gone. I'll try to get it for ya but can make no promises. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1452956 92396 0 32460 1192184 Swap: 401584 18828 382756 Total: 1946936 1471784 475152 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 2:11pm up 28 days, 12:14, 3 users, load average: 0.21, 0.06, 0.08 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 14:28:16 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA14361 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:28:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA14358 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:28:16 -0500 Received: from femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.88]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15231 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:27:46 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020117192705.CKHT4306.femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:27:05 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] OT: Another just in... Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:25:21 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0201170041270J.03922@a.genesis.com> <1011289723.4922.11.camel@two> In-Reply-To: <1011289723.4922.11.camel@two> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011714252110.03922@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 17 January 2002 12:48, you wrote: > On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 00:41, Bill wrote: > > Thought I'd pass this along. (Play Twilight Zone theme) > > > > http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/058088.htm > > I just get "Not Found" on that URL... Moved (prolly got /.'d) http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svtop/ms011702.htm -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1540096 5256 0 50100 1262596 Swap: 401584 18828 382756 Total: 1946936 1558924 388012 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 2:24pm up 28 days, 12:27, 3 users, load average: 0.37, 0.18, 0.11 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 14:36:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA14372 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:36:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA14369 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:36:10 -0500 Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15279 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:35:40 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020117193500.GUJJ28557.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:35:00 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] OT: Another just in... Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:33:16 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0201170041270J.03922@a.genesis.com> <02011713430201.01252@24285hfc28> In-Reply-To: <02011713430201.01252@24285hfc28> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011714331611.03922@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 17 January 2002 13:43, you wrote: > What was this about? It won't let me have it. > > Glen > Try it this way: > > http://www.siliconvalley.com/ -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1539296 6056 0 57600 1255048 Swap: 401584 18828 382756 Total: 1946936 1558124 388812 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 2:32pm up 28 days, 12:35, 3 users, load average: 0.11, 0.10, 0.09 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 14:56:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA14395 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:56:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA14392 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:56:53 -0500 Received: from femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.22]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15378 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:56:23 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020117195542.CHOM29992.femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:55:42 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] worm log entries Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:53:59 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F85609752892@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> In-Reply-To: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F85609752892@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011714535912.03922@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 17 January 2002 13:50, you wrote: > These just came on line. My point was there should eb NO traffic. > It's 3MB of just this. A couple of months ago I turned Apache on just for the fun of it. In 29 (unadvertised, content free) hours, I racked up 1,880 Nimda queries (does WinNT wanna come out & play?) and 16 other worm / virus queries. ALL but one were for MSFT. Someone, somewhere had entered a compromised bind server into the fray but it absolutely couldn't keep up with the Nimda machines. Has anyone ever calculated the economic effect of just the internet latency induced by these attacks? Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1539972 5380 0 64028 1252772 Swap: 401584 18768 382816 Total: 1946936 1558740 388196 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 2:49pm up 28 days, 12:52, 3 users, load average: 0.09, 0.14, 0.10 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 15:25:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA14443 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:25:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA14440 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:25:49 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com ([63.150.250.40]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15488 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:25:09 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.20]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA25102 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:24:34 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA26631 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:24:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] worm log entries From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <01d401c19f8b$13be1760$4401a8c0@patrick> References: <200201090844.g098i0207681@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com><200201160640.g0G6e8 u18727@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com><02011613095501.01252@24285hfc43> <005301c19edf$dad48160$4401a8c0@patrick> <1011289360.4923.3.camel@two> <01d401c19f8b$13be1760$4401a8c0@patrick> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 17 Jan 2002 15:24:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1011299073.2845.2.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 14:13, Patrick Grantham wrote: > Where would be the best, first place to start to read about, > , "Use apache's rewrite engine to block those accesses entirely." to learn > all the particulars? > You could try: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_rewrite.html From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 14:56:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA14400 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:56:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA14397 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:56:57 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15377 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:56:23 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA31500 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:55:39 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] worm log entries From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F85609752892@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> References: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F85609752892@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 17 Jan 2002 14:55:35 -0500 Message-Id: <1011297336.4923.53.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 13:50, Grantham, Patrick wrote: > These just came on line. My point was there should eb NO traffic. It's 3MB > of just this. I know... I was just giggling because to us, 3MB of worm traffic is nothing. The morning Nimda hit, we saw something like several hundred megs worth of traffic come into one of our big hosting boxes in just the first 20 minutes or so. Look into mod_rewrite and build a few rules that look for anything with 'cmd.exe' in the URL and sends it to /dev/null or redirects to McAffee's website. (Or better yet, Microsoft's.) Alternately, just grep your logs for infected IP addresses and use ipchains or iptables to block those addresses from connecting to your server at all. Unfortunately, that is just the Windows World we live in now. I think from now on everyone on the 'net is just going to have to live with this kind of crap floating around the wires. Kind of like we have to live with things like Herpes and AIDS and Nile Encephalitis and so forth in the "real world". We just have to think up ways to protect ourselves - those who don't, get infected, and even those who do still have to deal with the fallout from those who don't. Or maybe smoking and drunk driving are better examples... you can still get whacked by a drunk driver even if you're not driving drunk, and you can still get lung cancer from second-hand smoke, even if you don't smoke yourself. Ehhh, something like that... It's all fallout from Microsoft's lack of concern for security in their products and now the rest of us have to live with it. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 16:48:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA14628 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:48:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA14625 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:48:16 -0500 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15913 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:47:46 -0500 From: dazie@mindspring.com Received: from user-33qts5f.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.240.175] helo=dazieamd450) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16RKND-0008WJ-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:47:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c19f3c$62af6300$aff0aec7@dazieamd450> To: Subject: [SLUG] IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT Brandon 2 Meeting Cancelled Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 04:50:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Attention Slug Members ! , The Brandon 2 meeting is cancelled due to last minute notice!>We usually meet at the Computer Advantage Location due to>no staff being available we can not meet at this Location tonight! >From a phone call I received. I also proceeded to contact the Barnes and Nobles Book Store across the street where we hold the Brandon 1 meetings seems that they have too much going on to accommodate for the meeting. I hate to have to cancel this late in the day but this was out of my hands. We hope to rectify this a.s.a.p. and maybe reschedule a make up meeting location and time. If you need to contact me please do so. Thanks. Bill Preece bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 16:14:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA14523 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:14:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA14520 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:13:59 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15707 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:13:29 -0500 Received: from rr (653267hfc110.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.110]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0HLCmt03336 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:12:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001501c19f9c$05171d40$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: [SLUG] IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT Brandon 2 Meeting Cancelled Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:14:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Attention Slug Members ! , The Brandon 2 meeting is cancelled due to last minute notice! We usually meet at the Computer Advantage Location due to no staff being available we can not meet at this Location tonight! >From a phone call I received. I also proceeded to contact the Branses and Nobles Book Store across the street where we hold the Brandon 1 meetings seems that they have too much going on to accommodate for the meeting. I hate to have to cancel this late in the day but this was out of my hands. We hope to rectify this a.s.a.p. and maybe reschedule a make up meeting location and time. If you need to contact me please do so. Thanks. Bill Preece bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 17:18:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA14711 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:18:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA14708 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:18:53 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA16075 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:18:23 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id qa195354 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:19:55 -0500 Message-ID: <022201c19fa4$c8cd8690$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F85609752892@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> <1011297336.4923.53.camel@two> Subject: Re: [SLUG] worm log entries Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:17:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug point taken. Thanks! From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 18:50:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA14885 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:50:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA14882 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:50:29 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16483 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:49:57 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc86 (24285hfc86.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.86]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0HNn3t29509 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:49:04 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] OT: Another just in... Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:53:52 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0201170041270J.03922@a.genesis.com> <1011289723.4922.11.camel@two> <02011714252110.03922@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: <02011714252110.03922@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011718535200.01254@24285hfc86> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Oh. No matter what happens, they won't change my past attitudes. I'll never run any of it for myself again. I'm a Unix man now. Glen On Thursday 17 January 2002 14:25, you wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2002 12:48, you wrote: > > On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 00:41, Bill wrote: > > > Thought I'd pass this along. (Play Twilight Zone theme) > > > > > > http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/058088.htm > > > > I just get "Not Found" on that URL... > > Moved (prolly got /.'d) > http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svtop/ms011702.htm From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 19:43:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA15048 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:43:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA15045 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:43:53 -0500 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16751 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:43:22 -0500 From: Doumbeck1@aol.com Received: from Doumbeck1@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id 4.112.b0d35d8 (4540) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:42:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <112.b0d35d8.2978c97b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:42:35 EST Subject: [SLUG] LFS Article -- HELP!!! To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Would someone be so kind as to e-mail me the LFS Article that "I" wrote about 1 1/2 month ago. I have lost it and my back-up is bad. Thanx much to any who can come through for me, Scot =) From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 21:30:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA15165 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:30:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA15162 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:30:20 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17091 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:29:50 -0500 Received: (qmail 31482 invoked by uid 508); 18 Jan 2002 02:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (24.164.21.236) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 18 Jan 2002 02:29:05 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.29] (helo=[192.168.2.29] ident=[oaP2x3hGTf5JbQ3u21K4HeuBsCZ1Sd58]) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16ROlc-0004Il-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:28:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:28:55 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] LFS Article -- HELP!!! In-Reply-To: <112.b0d35d8.2978c97b@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug you could always try the SLUG archive =) http://www.illusionary.com/slug-l/slug.archive.0111/0712.html On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 Doumbeck1@aol.com wrote: > Would someone be so kind as to e-mail me the LFS Article that "I" wrote about > 1 1/2 month ago. I have lost it and my back-up is bad. > > Thanx much to any who can come through for me, > Scot =) > > -- "Without documentation you can never know what the code was meant to do, only what it does" -- Rik van Riel (#kernelnewbies) From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 17 22:25:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA15203 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:25:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA15200 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:25:53 -0500 Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17228 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:25:23 -0500 Received: from sdn-ar-004fltampp271.dialsprint.net ([158.252.77.73] helo=noname.nodomain.nowhere) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16RPdv-0000if-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:24:40 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Tim Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Let your voice be heard! US vs. Microsoft Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:28:35 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <000801c18c20$0c7ac8a0$e3422041@newcomputer.tampabay.rr.com> <001c01c18f3a$7df57d00$021ba8c0@sanders.sanders> <200112291707.fBTH73O07710@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200112291707.fBTH73O07710@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201172228351I.01225@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Time's running out, and there's ten days left before the deadline. Get your dibs in before it's too late. Leave the flames and foaming at the mouth for other occasions. These DOJ guys are bureaucrats, so they probably like big words with lots of syllables. I just sent in my two cents worth tonight. Get yours in before the 27th. On Saturday 29 December 2001 12:10, you wrote: > All > > I encourage all of you to write the Department of Justice and share your > views on the US vs Microsoft Case. > > Here is the correct information. Bear in mind that if you choose to comment > -- and you should -- it must arrive before January 27. The correct e-mail > address is microsoft.atr@usdoj.gov while the correct fax numbers are > 1-202-307-1454 or 1-202-616-9937. > > Here is a link to the story on Linuxtoday: > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-12-26-005-20-OP-MS Microsoft Judgement and Remedies From: Tim Wright To: microsoft.atr@usdoj.gov Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:16:41 -0500 Any remedy in the Microsoft judgment must restore competition to the marketplace. Microsoft's monopoly position and persistent anticompetitive behavior were issues that brought the case up in the first place, and normal market forces of competition would have prevented these problems. Restoring competition will balance the market and allow end users the choice that we value so highly in a free and open market. An effective remedy must employ rigorous measures to correct the market imbalance and prevent future anticompetitive behavior from Microsoft. Their established patterns of violating consent decrees and continually testing how far they can step outside of the Court's orders indicate that Microsoft will continue to employ anticompetitive business practices for as long as they are capable. Past behavior and published internal documents from Microsoft support the suspicion that this corporation will continue to stifle competition to unlawfully maintain its monopoly position. The most effective measure to restore competition to the marketplace is to break up Microsoft. This remedy proved highly effective in the cases of Standard Oil, the Bell System, and countless others. History has proved out that neither the petroleum nor the telecommunications business sectors suffered ill effect from breaking up Standard Oil and the Bell System. The facts show that both sectors flourished substantially after breaking up monopolies into smaller business units and restoring competition to these markets. As the Bell System was broken up into "Baby Bell" telephone operating companies, and Standard Oil was broken up into smaller, competing petroleum companies, Microsoft should be broken up into an operating systems company, an applications software company, and an Internet services and communications company. This follows the successful pattern employed with the Bell System, where AT&T retained long distance telephone service, and local service was provided by a group of competing local Bell Operating Companies, the "Baby Bells." To clarify matters, applications software is defined as computer software intended for specific tasks: word processing, database processing, graphic editing and rendering, audio/video/multimedia rendering, enterprise resource control and planning, local and wide area network administration, communication clients, Web browsers, utility functions such as encryption and data file management, and numerous other, similar functions. These applications all require an operating system to function. An operating system is defined as the computer infrastructure required for the basic operation of the computer hardware and supporting applications software: data input/output, data storage, and other functions to allow hardware to communicate. Operating systems carry out general tasks necessary to support the computer system and make it useful, leaving specific tasks to applications software that can be added and removed by the end user without degrading the operating system. Internet services and communication are remote location services accessed via the Internet or similar telecommunications means. These services include, but are not limited to, information, telecommunications via text (e-mail), voice, and/or video images, access to the World Wide Web, business transactions (e-business, e-trade), and similar wide area communications. Breaking up Microsoft in such a fashion puts the company on a more equal footing with competing firms in the computer software and Internet communications service industries. Breaking the operating system monopoly away from the applications software business unit will prevent further occurrences of unlawful and anticompetitive software bundling, an issue that brought this dispute into court in the first place. Making all the participants in the applications software market equal will foster competition and innovation, as shown by the telecommunications boom that occurred after the Bell System breakup. The Bell System precedent illustrates that end users will not suffer any loss from breaking up Microsoft. In fact, the end users will likely be the biggest beneficiaries as competition encourages innovation, reduced costs, and improved quality. This was the case with the Bell System breakup. An adequate and competent monopoly was broken up to pave the way for substantial innovation and excellence in that business sector. End users currently pay less for more and better telecommunications service in a competitive market. The same benefit will come from breaking up Microsoft. In the event that the Court chooses not to break up Microsoft, the following remedies are suggested as alternative means to achieve a restoration of competition in the computer software and data communications market: Regulate Microsoft and the MS-Windows operating systems as a public utility, much the same as electric and water utilities. This will require additional government infrastructure to administer. Such regulation would have to remain in effect as long as Microsoft holds a monopoly. The political overhead of establishing and operating a regulatory agency may be unwieldy, and this will likely require action from Congress to establish and fund such regulatory activity. Prohibit exclusivity clauses in operating system software licenses. Microsoft's practice of requiring hardware vendors to exclude other operating systems as a condition for purchasing MS-Windows only perpetuates Microsoft's monopoly position. End users should have a choice of operating system software, to include double and multiple boot options to use more than one operating system on the same computer. A healthy and competitive marketplace allows end users to select which operating system(s) they want, rather than having vendors dictate to customers what they will use. Consumers must be free to decline pre-loaded copies of the MS-Windows operating systems and return unused operating system software for a refund. Computer hardware manufacturers and distributors must be free to load any operating system(s) that they and their paying customers choose into computer hardware. Current business practice has the operating system tied to the hardware by a monopoly (Microsoft), leaving purchasers obliged to pay for software that they may not want and cannot return for credit. Microsoft has abused its monopoly position to bar potential competitors from the market, using business practices not too far removed from those of the Standard Oil monopoly in its day. Another alternative or adjunct to breaking up Microsoft into three companies would be to make the MS-Windows family of operating systems public domain, and Microsoft would have to agree to leave the proprietary operating system market in order to prevent re-establishing a monopoly. This action would effectively dissolve the monopoly that has been at the heart of this case. This action must be voluntary on Microsoft's part, because it could be construed as a taking by the government, rather than the remedy in a lawsuit. Microsoft's violation of antitrust law must not be parlayed into an occasion to collect taxpayer dollars, should Microsoft give up proprietary ownership of the MS-Windows family of operating systems. A public domain Windows operating system can be standardized and administered by nonprofit industrial standards governing organizations, much the same way as World Wide Web domain names and related administrative Internet infrastructure is maintained by the user community. Such a move would place the Windows operating systems in a position analogous to industry standards that serve the general public as a whole. The overriding concern is that whatever remedy the Court imposes on the Microsoft case, it must restore competition to the market. The best solutions are those that allow natural market forces to prevail, rather than increased governmental oversight and regulation that diverts taxpayer dollars from more pressing issues. Like Standard Oil, Microsoft has persistently and continually employed unlawful practices to maintain a monopoly, and only the most rigorous measures will be effective at correcting the situation. William T. Wright Tampa, Florida From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 18 01:48:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA15304 for slug-track29; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:48:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA15301 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:48:45 -0500 Received: from wellington.cnchost.com (wellington.concentric.net [207.155.252.14]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17691 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:48:10 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by wellington.cnchost.com id BAA12041; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:47:29 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16RSsH-0007vT-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:51:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:51:31 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Coyote and inability to ping Message-ID: <20020118015131.A30416@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm testing coyote on my firewall (nice setup script, but they don't tell you you have to edit certain files in the background to make it work like you want). It's connected to a DSL modem and to a hub, which is connected to the rest of the network. It appears to find the ISP's nameservers and capture a dynamic IP for itself. It can ping other hosts on the LAN, and we can ping it. But we can ping outbound, either numeric or name addresses. When pinging from a host on the LAN, the ping just never returns. When pinging from the firewall (as root), it says something like "operation not permitted". The firewall rules are the same as they were with floppyfw, and that worked. Is there a gotcha I don't know about? Any ideas? Any other info you need? Paul From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 18 07:10:44 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA15634 for slug-track29; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:10:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA15631 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:10:44 -0500 Received: from bnfep03.boone.winstar.net (bnfep03w.boone.winstar.net [63.140.240.55]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18888 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:10:09 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([63.141.67.114]) by bnfep03.boone.winstar.net with ESMTP id <20020118120928.PQSU458.bnfep03@dallas.utilpart.com> for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:09:28 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:09:27 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A45D@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:09:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I left my machine downloading them at home last night. Did not get back over to see if it was done, but suspect that all is ok. I will check it out tonight. -----Original Message----- From: Glen [mailto:gurensan@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 01:38 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta If you'll be at the next Dunedin meeting (about a week away), I'll bring CDs. Glen On Thursday 17 January 2002 07:47, you wrote: > Bill > Just tried to go and get the files from work, I get a time out. > I too want to get the beta. I thought I had downloaded it the > other day but somehow got the older files (do not know how but > I did) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill [mailto:selinux@home.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 09:24 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta > > > On Thursday 17 January 2002 11:19, you wrote: > > ftp://www.anhonestdesire.com/pub > > the so* files. > > They will not be available past the weekend so get'em while they are > hot. > > Bill ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. 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Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 18 07:15:04 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA15644 for slug-track29; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:15:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA15641 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:15:04 -0500 Received: from bnfep02.boone.winstar.net (bnfep02e.boone.winstar.net [63.140.240.54]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18901 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:14:34 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([63.141.67.114]) by bnfep02.boone.winstar.net with ESMTP id <20020118121354.LAC16433.bnfep02@dallas.utilpart.com> for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:13:54 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:13:52 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A45E@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT Brandon 2 Meeting Cancelled Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:13:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Bill: Perhaps I can help the next time around. I am setting up a home office in a small house I have on my property. It has a room in it that could handle as many people as I have seen any time at the meetings. I am located in Palm River (about 3 mi west of the regular brandon meeting places) if you are interested we can do something. (besides then I will get all this horsepower on site to look at some of my stuff and tell me how to make it better!! B-]) -----Original Message----- From: Bpreece [mailto:bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 04:15 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT Brandon 2 Meeting Cancelled Attention Slug Members ! , The Brandon 2 meeting is cancelled due to last minute notice! We usually meet at the Computer Advantage Location due to no staff being available we can not meet at this Location tonight! >From a phone call I received. I also proceeded to contact the Branses and Nobles Book Store across the street where we hold the Brandon 1 meetings seems that they have too much going on to accommodate for the meeting. I hate to have to cancel this late in the day but this was out of my hands. We hope to rectify this a.s.a.p. and maybe reschedule a make up meeting location and time. If you need to contact me please do so. Thanks. Bill Preece bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. 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Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 18 11:25:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA15802 for slug-track29; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:25:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA15799 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:25:39 -0500 Received: from bnfep01.boone.winstar.net (bnfep01w.boone.winstar.net [63.140.240.51]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19604 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:25:04 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([63.141.67.114]) by bnfep01.boone.winstar.net with ESMTP id <20020118162424.FBI454.bnfep01@dallas.utilpart.com> for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:24:24 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:24:21 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A461@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Another chance to replace a MS machine Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:24:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Here at work the RAS server died, this thing runs on NTServer, it has 4 dialup ports on it. It talks to a Windows network. Most of our people are UNIX people, and those that know something about Windows know nothing about RAS. I view this as a chance to get a LINUX machine going here at work, getting the nose in the door. I have been poking around the net a bit but do not see much real clear info, all I find seems to be about connecting a LINUX box to a NT RAS server. I have Windows dialin users that are dialing into a windows based network, I want to replace the NT RAS box with a LINUX RAS box. Any ideas? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Hast Telecomms Consultant, Utility Partners. WEB www.utilpart.com Office number: 813.282.8828 x 1175 C-phone number: 813.765.6743 E-mail: wchast@utilpart.com SMS < 150 characters: 8137656743@mobile.att.net ARS KP4DJT To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 18 11:46:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA15827 for slug-track29; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:46:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA15824 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:46:49 -0500 Received: from zorak.illusionary.lan (653231hfc40.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.31.40]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19701 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:46:18 -0500 Received: from yog-sothoth (yog-sothoth [192.168.10.9]) by zorak.illusionary.lan (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17659 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:45:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] LFS Article -- HELP!!! From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 18 Jan 2002 11:45:30 -0500 Message-Id: <1011372330.2288.8.camel@yog-sothoth> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 21:28, Jason Copenhaver wrote: > you could always try the SLUG archive =) > > http://www.illusionary.com/slug-l/slug.archive.0111/0712.html > > > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 Doumbeck1@aol.com wrote: > > > Would someone be so kind as to e-mail me the LFS Article that "I" wrote about > > 1 1/2 month ago. I have lost it and my back-up is bad. > > > > Thanx much to any who can come through for me, > > Scot =) You know... I seem to think that maybe *I* shoulda thought of that. :) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- With Microsoft products, failure is not Derek Glidden an option - it's a standard component. Choose your life. Choose your http://www.tbcpc.org/ future. Choose Linux. http://www.illusionary.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 18 11:53:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA15833 for slug-track29; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:53:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA15830 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:53:31 -0500 Received: from spanky.onsyd.com (tamqfl1-ar3-171-140.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.34.171.140]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19724 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:52:51 -0500 Received: from onsyd.com (www-data@tamqfl1-ar3-171-140.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.34.171.140]) by spanky.onsyd.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id g0IGq9mU004738 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:52:09 -0500 Received: from 63.150.250.34 (SquirrelMail authenticated user alsobrsp) by spanky with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:52:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3429.63.150.250.34.1011372729.squirrel@spanky> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:52:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Another chance to replace a MS machine From: "Syd Alsobrook" To: In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A461@dallas.utilpart.com> References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A461@dallas.utilpart.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Checkout http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO/ There is a section on seting up a pppd server. I have done it in the past and it wasn't that hard to get it working with NT and 2k. Syd > Here at work the RAS server died, this thing runs on NTServer, it has 4 > dialup ports on it. It talks to a Windows network. Most of our people > are UNIX people, and those that know something about Windows know > nothing about RAS. > > I view this as a chance to get a LINUX machine going here at work, > getting the nose in the door. > > I have been poking around the net a bit but do not see much real clear > info, all I find seems to be about connecting a LINUX box to a NT RAS > server. > > I have Windows dialin users that are dialing into a windows based > network, I want to replace the NT RAS box with a LINUX RAS box. Any > ideas? > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Chuck Hast > Telecomms Consultant, Utility Partners. > WEB www.utilpart.com > Office number: 813.282.8828 x 1175 > C-phone number: 813.765.6743 > E-mail: wchast@utilpart.com > SMS < 150 characters: 8137656743@mobile.att.net > ARS KP4DJT > > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my > going out and > having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and > twisted metal." > > > > > ***************************************************************** > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is > addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please > notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have > printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. > Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not > relate to the official business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be > understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. > > Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com > ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 11:15:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA17174 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:15:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17171 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:14:59 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24082 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:14:24 -0500 Received: from q (dt1d0ndb.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.217.219]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0JGDhX19555 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:13:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Dennis Tribble" To: Subject: [SLUG] 3Com, Intel and Microsoft vs Netgear, AMD and Linux Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:14:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c1a104$5b9f6b40$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm thinking about dumping Verizon & Sprint for my T1 services and switching to US-Lec. Mostly because I think I'll get better service, my account is small and Verizon & Sprint just don't seem to care. They make lots of promises but seldom come through. It will be a tad bit cheaper too. My only concern is the financial stability of US-Lec, are they going to be able to stay in business and if they fail then what happens? I realize this is not directly a Linux issue, but many of you have related experience and I respect your opinions. It is part of an over all effort I am attempting to make changes. Currently everything is conservative: 3Com, Intel, Microsoft and Verizon. I think we can do things better, faster and cheaper with Netgear, AMD, Linux and US-Lec. What do you think? Would you do it? From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 12:03:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA17223 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:03:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA17220 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:03:08 -0500 Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA24222 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:02:39 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2002 17:01:58 -0000 Message-ID: <3C499CA6.1050908@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:19:50 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acquire.... RED HAT?!?!?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/19/0615240 Uhmm... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 12:16:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA17236 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:16:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA17233 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:16:21 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA24259 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:15:46 -0500 Received: (qmail 27900 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2002 17:15:05 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2002 17:15:05 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:15:03 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] 3Com, Intel and Microsoft vs Netgear, AMD and Linux Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:14:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001c1a104$5b9f6b40$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug We use US-ec and like their service very much. They will do a great job for you. Micvhael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Dennis Tribble Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 11:14 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] 3Com, Intel and Microsoft vs Netgear, AMD and Linux I'm thinking about dumping Verizon & Sprint for my T1 services and switching to US-Lec. Mostly because I think I'll get better service, my account is small and Verizon & Sprint just don't seem to care. They make lots of promises but seldom come through. It will be a tad bit cheaper too. My only concern is the financial stability of US-Lec, are they going to be able to stay in business and if they fail then what happens? I realize this is not directly a Linux issue, but many of you have related experience and I respect your opinions. It is part of an over all effort I am attempting to make changes. Currently everything is conservative: 3Com, Intel, Microsoft and Verizon. I think we can do things better, faster and cheaper with Netgear, AMD, Linux and US-Lec. What do you think? Would you do it? From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 11:43:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA17189 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:43:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17186 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:43:10 -0500 Received: from ns1.socaldns.com ([216.240.135.106]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24153 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:42:35 -0500 Received: from there (242820hfc204.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.20.204]) by ns1.socaldns.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA15980 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:40:45 -0800 Message-Id: <200201191640.IAA15980@ns1.socaldns.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 3Com, Intel and Microsoft vs Netgear, AMD and Linux Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:45:38 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <000001c1a104$5b9f6b40$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <000001c1a104$5b9f6b40$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 19 January 2002 11:14 am, you wrote: > I'm thinking about dumping Verizon & Sprint for my T1 services and > switching to US-Lec. Mostly because I think I'll get better service, my > account is small and Verizon & Sprint just don't seem to care. They make > lots of promises but seldom come through. It will be a tad bit cheaper > too. My only concern is the financial stability of US-Lec, are they going > to be able to stay in business and if they fail then what happens? > > I realize this is not directly a Linux issue, but many of you have related > experience and I respect your opinions. It is part of an over all effort I > am attempting to make changes. Currently everything is conservative: > 3Com, Intel, Microsoft and Verizon. I think we can do things better, > faster and cheaper with Netgear, AMD, Linux and US-Lec. > > What do you think? Would you do it? I used to build phone networks (on a limited scale) for customers. We had this joke which was that when Ma Bell got broken up, the engineers that nobody wanted, went to GTE. Verizon is a questionable, yet well entrenched company. Though they are well known for sabotaging connections to "show" leaving customers that their new provider is bad. In other words they would mess up the port to the new LEC, saying it was their doing. Stuff like that. Verizon signed this contract to deal with an outfit in Texas for their DSL services and they STINK! But it was Verizon who picked them so it shows how poor they know the data business. It's routine (about 30% in my experience) to find them saying a new service is up when you don't even have a dial tone. It was true in LA and it's true here. As far as 3Com goes I'd never switch when it comes to a professional setup. The extra cost per NIC is well worth the no question life time warranty and the instant good service they provide. Never mind the high quality. Steve From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 12:32:47 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA17253 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:32:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA17250 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:32:46 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24315 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:32:11 -0500 Received: from there (242855hfc73.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.55.73]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0JHVVt14175 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:31:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201191731.g0JHVVt14175@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acquire.... RED HAT?!?!?! Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:35:26 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <3C499CA6.1050908@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C499CA6.1050908@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Well, I see ups and downs in this. Competition is good and this would certainly make a good competitor. However, most AOL users are dumb as rocks and Linux would probably cause their little heads to spin. Even the article noted this: "Linux has yet to be adopted widely by consumers, largely because it requires some technical proficiency to install. But it is popular with the tech crowd and, according to industry estimates, runs about 30 percent of all computers servers -- the powerful computers that function as hubs on a network." So, I can see it now, Redhat with a fully intergrated AOL client that will be too hard for the average user to install and too annoying for a techie to use. I can hear it now "You've got Linux!" Regards RussW On Saturday 19 January 2002 11:19 am, you wrote: > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/19/0615240 > > Uhmm... > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 13:17:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA17289 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:17:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA17286 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:17:29 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24416 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:16:59 -0500 Received: from there (242855hfc73.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.55.73]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0JIGJt11704 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:16:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201191816.g0JIGJt11704@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Elx linux Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:20:14 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200201160648.g0G6mwu22919@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200201160648.g0G6mwu22919@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey All I just tried an install of RC2 on my test box and it burped and died at the very end. I do give it high marks for ease of installation though. I had my wife walk through the installation and with minimal coaching she was able to choose the right options and start the install process. But right at the very end it just burped and died. I'm going to try again later. I'll post an update. Regards Russ W On Wednesday 16 January 2002 01:44 am, you wrote: > I've been playing with this distro after seeing it at the last Brandon > meeting. > www.elxlinux.com > I really like it. It's smoooooooth. I see that they are in the process of > uploading rc2 to their website. It says it should only take a couple > hours, although its been a couple days. The 'Network Neighborhood' works > really well, and the pop-up windows are cool. > Jim From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 12:40:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA17261 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:40:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA17258 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:40:30 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24329 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:40:00 -0500 Received: from rr (653267hfc110.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.110]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0JHdKt19433 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:39:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001a01c1a110$8ac80ec0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acquire.... RED HAT?!?!?! Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:41:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Oh Gawd this I hope is a joke. If not then the Linux community can then have a serious problem having a company who also Practices a monopolistic tactics. We need companies like AOL and of course Microsoft to halt this game play who can be the biggest company. How long before AOL decides it needs a Office suite as well such as Star Office ! They are already doing business with Sun Microsystems . -----Original Message----- From: Norbert Cartagena To: slug@nks.net Date: Saturday, January 19, 2002 12:05 PM Subject: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acquire.... RED HAT?!?!?! >http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/19/0615240 > >Uhmm... > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 13:54:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA17307 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:54:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA17304 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:54:10 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24501 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:53:40 -0500 Received: from rr (653267hfc110.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.110]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0JIr0m20969 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:53:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000f01c1a11a$d5300440$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: [SLUG] Elx Linux Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:55:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hello folks, Me and Diana have been playing with Elx as well. According to their compatibility List both our Laptops are listed. With release candidate 1 went to install it on my Compaq Persario XL1200 model 111 It boots up fine then when it get's ready to go to the graphical install of starting the xwindows it bombs then the system halts the drives shut down. On Diana's Laptop a Dell Lattitude cpt Gx 450 when she first installed it she choose the laptop install. When shutting down we noticed it gave floppy access and cdrom access errors and would not halt and shut down. Then she tried again on her own to do a default install the shut down problem was gone. How ever the Open Office would not work that was included. After the past 3 days of trying to get rc 2 we got it. With Release candiate 2 I ran into the exact same problem as before. On my laptop it was like nothing changed. On Diana's Laptop no problem installing and everything works fine. I E-mailed Elx about 3 weeks ago with the problems we encountered they asked me what happened. I sent them the following I go to install the Distro on My Compaq Persario 1200 XL111 I put the disk in and then It comes to the Intro Screen saying welcome to Elx.After that I press Enter for it to begin to install. It starts to go to the next screen then it will do nothing. The laptop will lock up. Then I hit ctrl, alt, back space then the following appears on the screen I only hit ctr alt backspace after 20 minutes of the machinedoing nothing .There is no drive lights going the CD-ROM us stopped or I should say the install shuts it down. Using X server /usr/X11R6/bin XF86_FBDev serverpath outside 2nd condition /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_FBDev in second condition /dev/fb0 is not available xserver in exception loop XF86_SVGA Waiting for X server to start ...log located in /tmp/X.log ...Xserver started successfully. ***You should really think about switching over to libglade initialising side indication buttons packing of the above according to resolution Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to 1.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown) . install exited abnormally They never replied back and on their website they said they fixed probles at the installation for the xserver settings to be manually set to avoid hangs funny even though the second one installed on Diana's system fine only after the graphical install runs can you set the xserver settings ???? ?? weird It starts x for a graphical install then you can select 5 mins later or auto detect something glass backwards there.. Over all it is a serious approach to the desktop again to make it simple for newbies. Diana installed this distro on her own and even tried a few common things to solve the problems that she first encountered. I do hope that Elx get's the bugs worked out as I want to play with it on my own laptop! From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 14:13:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA17321 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:13:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA17318 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:13:17 -0500 Received: from web20410.mail.yahoo.com (web20410.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.129]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA24554 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:12:47 -0500 Message-ID: <20020119191207.49133.qmail@web20410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.184.205.143] by web20410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:12:07 PST Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:12:07 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Keyes Subject: Re: [SLUG] pop-up stopper To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug When Opera 6.0 comes out, it will have an option to stop pop-ups. Right now, only the beta version of 6.0 is out. http://www.opera.com -Justin Keyes On 2002.01.16 20:11:41 -0500 Samuel C. Adams wrote: > Does anyone know of a pop-up stopper for linux? The ones > I have for windows works like a champ - but it doesn't appear > to be portable. I'd like to have one that works for netscape > on linux. I've searched but no luck so far. Any ideas? Thanks, > > Sam > ===== ________________ Justin Keyes m9u35@yahoo.com ________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 14:32:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA17328 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:32:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA17325 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:32:39 -0500 Received: from mail15a.boca15-verio.com (mail15a.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA24580 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:32:04 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15a.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 07277295 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:30:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C49C878.4090500@roblimo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:26:48 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acquire.... RED HAT?!?!?! References: <001a01c1a110$8ac80ec0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Bpreece wrote: > Oh Gawd this I hope is a joke. > > If not then the Linux community can then have a serious problem having a > company who > also Practices a monopolistic tactics. I do not agree. I think AOL buying Red Hat would be great -- if it really happened. Here's my take: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/19/1848219 - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 15:01:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA17348 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:01:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA17345 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:01:39 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24632 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:01:09 -0500 Received: from progeny (653489hfc149.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.89.149]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0JK0SX11434 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:00:28 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: james martinez To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acqui Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:01:31 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <001a01c1a110$8ac80ec0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <001a01c1a110$8ac80ec0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011910013105.00489@progeny> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Actually AOL is not the big company to worry about. Time Warner is the real force behind that combination. They were a very large monopoly long before AOL became anything to worry about. I think it is kind of interesting that they want to buy RedHat just to stick it in Microsoft's fae that they don't have to rely on them to get subscribers. On Wednesday 31 December 1969 18:59, Bpreece wrote: > Oh Gawd this I hope is a joke. > > If not then the Linux community can then have a serious problem having a > company who > also Practices a monopolistic tactics. > > We need companies like AOL and of course Microsoft to ha > lt this game play > who can be > the biggest company. > > How long before AOL decides it needs a Office suite as well such as Star > Office ! They are > already doing business with Sun Microsystems . > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 15:37:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA17372 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:37:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA17369 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:37:41 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24702 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:37:06 -0500 Received: from progeny (653489hfc149.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.89.149]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0JKaPt12724 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:36:25 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: james martinez To: slug@nks.net Subject: Fwd: Re: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acqui Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:37:27 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011910372706.00489@progeny> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Actually AOL is not the big company to worry about. Time Warner is the real force behind that combination. They were a very large monopoly long before AOL became anything to worry about. I think it is kind of interesting that they want to buy RedHat just to stick it in Microsoft's fae that they don't have to rely on them to get subscribers. On Wednesday 31 December 1969 18:59, Bpreece wrote: > Oh Gawd this I hope is a joke. > > If not then the Linux community can then have a serious problem having a > company who > also Practices a monopolistic tactics. > > We need companies like AOL and of course Microsoft to ha > lt this game play > who can be > the biggest company. > > How long before AOL decides it needs a Office suite as well such as Star > Office ! They are > already doing business with Sun Microsystems . ------------------------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 15:53:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA17388 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:53:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA17385 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:53:22 -0500 Received: from morpheus-ssn.nks.net (morpheus.nks.net [216.139.201.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24734 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:52:52 -0500 Received: from out018.verizon.net (out018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.96]) by morpheus-ssn.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31641 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:52:12 -0500 Received: from Desktop1 ([4.61.233.188]) by out018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.02 201-253-122-122-102-20011128) with SMTP id <20020119205141.HAIY4896.out018.verizon.net@Desktop1>; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:51:41 -0600 Message-ID: <020f01c1a12b$019cbf40$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: References: <001a01c1a110$8ac80ec0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <3C49C878.4090500@roblimo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acquire.... RED HAT?!?!?! Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:51:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Since I don't care much for RH or AOL they are welcome to one another, and as Robin has noted such an alliance could be good for the rest of the distros. The odd thing is that RH has been focused on the business rather than consumer marketplace. Mandrake or Libranet, or a resurrected Stormix or Progeny, would seem to make more sense ... and likely be far cheaper for AOL to acquire ... not that AOL lacks resources! What troubles with GNU might befall AOL with a RH (or other Linux) integration? BTW: One is left to wonder what Earthlink might do in response? Sure looks like some Linux-centric fun is ahead! doc > I do not agree. I think AOL buying Red Hat would be great -- if it > really happened. Here's my take: > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/19/1848219 > - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 16:58:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA17419 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:58:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA17416 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:58:42 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24910 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:58:07 -0500 Received: from [10.10.1.28] (6532163hfc129.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.163.129]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0JLvRm21945 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:57:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acquire.... RED HAT?!?!?! From: Andrew Wyatt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C49C878.4090500@roblimo.com> References: <001a01c1a110$8ac80ec0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <3C49C878.4090500@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 19 Jan 2002 16:45:11 +0000 Message-Id: <1011458712.4004.0.camel@latitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I agree, especially if AOL decided to market Linux AOL style. ;-) -Andrew On Sat, 2002-01-19 at 19:26, Robin (Roblimo) Miller wrote: > > > Bpreece wrote: > > > Oh Gawd this I hope is a joke. > > > > If not then the Linux community can then have a serious problem having a > > company who > > also Practices a monopolistic tactics. > > > I do not agree. I think AOL buying Red Hat would be great -- if it > really happened. Here's my take: > > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/19/1848219 > > - Robin > > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 17:22:48 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA17438 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:22:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA17435 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:22:48 -0500 Received: from femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.31]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24989 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:22:13 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020119222132.PDXX26483.femail37.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:21:32 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acqui Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:19:42 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <001a01c1a110$8ac80ec0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <02011910013105.00489@progeny> In-Reply-To: <02011910013105.00489@progeny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011917194207.25566@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 19 January 2002 10:01, you wrote: > Actually AOL is not the big company to worry about. Time Warner is > the real force behind that combination. They were a very large > monopoly long before AOL became anything to worry about. I think it > is kind of interesting that they want to buy RedHat just to stick > it in Microsoft's fae that they don't have to rely on them to get > subscribers. > Do you really think they would drop in the neighborhood of $1 billion if they didn't intend to turn a profit on the deal? MSFT has been doing all it could to push AOL off its desktop. AOL needs another desktop ... and quick. All the litigation and manuevering makes my head swim and I soon lose track of who is goring whose ox, but I am 99+% certain AOL/TW would not drop that much cha-ching as an act of juvenile spite. 'twill be interesting to see how this plays in Peoria. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1309680 235672 0 323740 672052 Swap: 401584 5928 395656 Total: 1946936 1315608 631328 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 5:14pm up 30 days, 15:17, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 17:24:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA17443 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:24:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA17440 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:24:38 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25004 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:24:08 -0500 Received: from there (242855hfc73.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.55.73]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0JMNHt22426 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:23:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201192223.g0JMNHt22426@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Elx linux Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:27:14 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200201160648.g0G6mwu22919@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> <200201191816.g0JIGJt11704@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200201191816.g0JIGJt11704@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey all Update Install has failed on my test machine and on my laptop. I have a Toshiba 1605 cds laptop and X just will not work. The entire install happens perfectly, but then after I reboot X fails to start. Looking at the XF86 log file it says: (hsync out of range) for all the 800 x 600 modes. I've tried all sorts of combinations of settings but no success. Anybody run into this issue before? Regards Russ W On Saturday 19 January 2002 01:20 pm, you wrote: > Hey All > > I just tried an install of RC2 on my test box and it burped and died at the > very end. I do give it high marks for ease of installation though. I had > my wife walk through the installation and with minimal coaching she was > able to choose the right options and start the install process. But right > at the very end it just burped and died. I'm going to try again later. > I'll post an update. > > Regards > Russ W > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 17:57:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA17463 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:57:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA17460 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:57:52 -0500 Received: from sheffield.cnchost.com (sheffield.concentric.net [207.155.252.12]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25101 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:57:17 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by sheffield.cnchost.com id RAA13748; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:56:36 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16S4U5-00029q-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:01:13 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:01:08 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acquire.... RED HAT?!?!?! Message-ID: <20020119180108.A8175@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <001a01c1a110$8ac80ec0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <3C49C878.4090500@roblimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C49C878.4090500@roblimo.com>; from robin@roblimo.com on Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 02:26:48PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 02:26:48PM -0500, Robin (Roblimo) Miller wrote: > > > Bpreece wrote: > > > Oh Gawd this I hope is a joke. > > > > If not then the Linux community can then have a serious problem having a > > company who > > also Practices a monopolistic tactics. > > > I do not agree. I think AOL buying Red Hat would be great -- if it > really happened. Here's my take: > > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/19/1848219 > For the most part, I agree. If Red Hat gets out of line, we (the Linux community) can dump them. I've been told repeatedly that the RH guys are good guys. If true, then perhaps they might weather this to continue to do what they're doing. But it's just as possible that the giant that is AOL-Time Warner will wipe the talent of the company out with poor policies. If AOL-TW manages to sell AOL/Linux desktops, they're not going to care much about the Linux community anyway. All this should make billg seriously scared, since AOL-TW is high on his enemies list. But billg's a survivor, and it's just possible that he could cut a deal with AOL-TW which would make them all hoards of money. And of course, such a deal might well trigger a lot of DOJ scrutiny and might get squashed. There's no end of what could happen IF any of this is true in the first place. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 19:11:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA17517 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:11:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA17514 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:11:13 -0500 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25270 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:10:38 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.208.202.171.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.208.202.171] helo=Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16S5Ya-0006K5-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:09:56 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acqui Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:06:32 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <001a01c1a110$8ac80ec0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <02011910013105.00489@progeny> <02011917194207.25566@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: <02011917194207.25566@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011919063200.01407@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 19 January 2002 05:19 pm, you wrote: > On Saturday 19 January 2002 10:01, you wrote: > > Actually AOL is not the big company to worry about. Time Warner is > > the real force behind that combination. They were a very large > > monopoly long before AOL became anything to worry about. I think it > > is kind of interesting that they want to buy RedHat just to stick > > it in Microsoft's face that they don't have to rely on them to get > > subscribers. > > Do you really think they would drop in the neighborhood of $1 billion > if they didn't intend to turn a profit on the deal? MS FT has been > doing all it could to push AOL off its desktop. AOL needs another > desktop ... and quick. All the litigation and maneuvering makes my > head swim and I soon lose track of who is goring whose ox, but I am > 99+% certain AOL/TW would not drop that much cha-ching as an act of > juvenile spite. > > 'twill be interesting to see how this plays in Peoria. > > Bill Correct URL of Article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5064-2002Jan18.html I seem to be missing a few points in relation to AOL purchasing RH. 1. What is AOL going to buy? Linux and almost all associated programs are under some form of public user license. RH major contribution is program verification and packaging by a nifty installer program. 2. I thought IBM was the major corporate owner of RH. What do they think about this? Wouldn't that screw them up with their software? 3. As far as I understand RH principal asset is it integrity. How long do they think that will last if all RH Linux users are required to report to AOL Central by secret code like Netscape users are? Don't believe that then where does that news report come from on Netscape's email window? 4. How long do they think it would take almost all RH users to say "Good by RH" and "Hello SuSE or Mandrake"? I seem to recall a major split in GUI because KDE uses Qt which is not public domain. What would make a lot of sense to both parties would be for AOL to give RH software away and provide technical support for its installation. After all you can down load RH for free and RH does make its money by providing service to corporate customers. This concept would expand RH user base and slowly move AOL onto another platform. Frank From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 20:04:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA17536 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:04:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA17533 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:04:06 -0500 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25401 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:03:36 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.208.200.115.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.208.200.115] helo=Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16S6Nm-0007ZS-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:02:51 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acqui Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:59:27 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <001a01c1a110$8ac80ec0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <02011917194207.25566@a.genesis.com> <02011919063200.01407@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> In-Reply-To: <02011919063200.01407@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011919592700.01230@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 19 January 2002 05:19 pm, you wrote: > On Saturday 19 January 2002 10:01, you wrote: > > Actually AOL is not the big company to worry about. Time Warner is > > the real force behind that combination. They were a very large > > monopoly long before AOL became anything to worry about. I think it > > is kind of interesting that they want to buy RedHat just to stick > > it in Microsoft's face that they don't have to rely on them to get > > subscribers. > > Do you really think they would drop in the neighborhood of $1 billion > if they didn't intend to turn a profit on the deal? MS FT has been > doing all it could to push AOL off its desktop. AOL needs another > desktop ... and quick. All the litigation and maneuvering makes my > head swim and I soon lose track of who is goring whose ox, but I am > 99+% certain AOL/TW would not drop that much cha-ching as an act of > juvenile spite. > > 'twill be interesting to see how > this plays in Peoria. > > Bill Correct URL of Article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5064-2002Jan18.html Funny I seem to recall every time that I visit The Washing Post using Konqueror as a browsers theis web site is all messed up. Point is I just don't trust any website that feels they are an authority on Linus which I can not visit using a Linus browser. I seem to be missing a few points in relation to AOL purchasing RH. 1. What is AOL going to buy? Linux and almost all associated programs are under some form of public user license. RH major contribution is program verification and packaging by a nifty installer program. 2. I thought IBM was the major corporate owner of RH. What do they think about this? Wouldn't that screw them up with their software? 3. As far as I understand RH principal asset is it integrity. How long do they think that will last if all RH Linux users are required to report to AOL Central by secret code like Netscape users are? Don't believe that then where does that news report come from on Netscape's email window? 4. How long do they think it would take almost all RH users to say "Good by RH" and "Hello SuSE or Mandrake"? I seem to recall a major split in GUI because KDE uses Qt which is not public domain. What would make a lot of sense to both parties would be for AOL to give RH software away and provide technical support for its installation. After all you can down load RH for free and RH does make its money by providing service to corporate customers. This concept would expand RH user base and slowly move AOL onto another platform. Frank From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 20:10:42 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA17549 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:10:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA17546 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:10:41 -0500 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25422 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:10:07 -0500 From: dazie@mindspring.com Received: from user-33qtslm.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.242.182] helo=dazieamd450) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16S6UA-0004Cx-00 for Slug@nks.net; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:09:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c1a0eb$681d6480$b6f2aec7@dazieamd450> To: Subject: [SLUG] Trying Out ELXLinux Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:15:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi All I installed Elx Linux RC 2 it went well I Love it have no problems installing it or running .When I installed the frist one I had a little trouble getting it to shut down but when I installed in default it went well shut down fine and all so I installed exllinux rc2 the same way. It it running fine I find it to be a little faster then the frist one. I could not open Office on the frist one but this one Office opens fine. Diana From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 21:02:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA17575 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:02:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA17572 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:02:52 -0500 Received: from ns1.socaldns.com ([216.240.135.106]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25519 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:02:22 -0500 Received: from there (242820hfc204.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.20.204]) by ns1.socaldns.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA24085 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:00:31 -0800 Message-Id: <200201200200.SAA24085@ns1.socaldns.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acqui Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:05:24 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <001a01c1a110$8ac80ec0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <02011917194207.25566@a.genesis.com> <02011919063200.01407@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> In-Reply-To: <02011919063200.01407@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug RedHat is one huge developer with amazing amount of talent. As long as AOL let RH be RH it would be a great future for RH and Linux in general. I'm not sure what the past statistics of AOL's "assimilation's" are. I think that's where I'd look first. Do they always change a copany that is successful, or do they only change those who need it? On Saturday 19 January 2002 07:06 pm, you wrote: > Correct URL of Article: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5064-2002Jan18.html > > I seem to be missing a few points in relation to AOL purchasing RH. > > 1. What is AOL going to buy? Linux and almost all associated programs are > under some form of public user license. RH major contribution is program > verification and packaging by a nifty installer program. > > 2. I thought IBM was the major corporate owner of RH. What do they think > about this? Wouldn't that screw them up with their software? > > 3. As far as I understand RH principal asset is it integrity. How long do > they think that will last if all RH Linux users are required to report to > AOL Central by secret code like Netscape users are? Don't believe that then > where does that news report come from on Netscape's email window? > > 4. How long do they think it would take almost all RH users to say "Good by > RH" and "Hello SuSE or Mandrake"? I seem to recall a major split in GUI > because KDE uses Qt which is not public domain. > > What would make a lot of sense to both parties would be for AOL to give RH > software away and provide technical support for its installation. After all > you can down load RH for free and RH does make its money by providing > service to corporate customers. This concept would expand RH user base and > slowly move AOL onto another platform. > > Frank From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 20:41:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA17561 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:41:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA17558 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:41:17 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25476 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:40:42 -0500 Received: from progeny (653489hfc149.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.89.149]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0K1e1m04508 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:40:01 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: james martinez To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acqui Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:41:05 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <001a01c1a110$8ac80ec0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <02011910013105.00489@progeny> <02011917194207.25566@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: <02011917194207.25566@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02011915410507.00489@progeny> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Juvenille spite where did that come from? (Not a flame just a question) No I don't think they would drop $1 billion to not turn a profit. The point is AOL is not the big player. Do you know who Time Warner is? Ever heard of Turner Broadcasting? Tell me one major motion picture that did not have some backing by Time Warner, Turner Broadcasting or one of their many affileates( I know it's misspelled). Time Warner owns the vast majority of the broadcasted media in this country. All they do is make money. So more than likely they would be behind AOL buying RedHat if it would open up yet another source of revenue for them. > Do you really think they would drop in the neighborhood of $1 billion > if they didn't intend to turn a profit on the deal? MSFT has been > doing all it could to push AOL off its desktop. AOL needs another > desktop ... and quick. All the litigation and manuevering makes my > head swim and I soon lose track of who is goring whose ox, but I am > 99+% certain AOL/TW would not drop that much cha-ching as an act of > juvenile spite. > > 'twill be interesting to see how this plays in Peoria. > > Bill From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 21:15:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA17588 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:15:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA17585 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:15:31 -0500 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA25557 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:15:01 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2002 02:14:19 -0000 Message-ID: <3C4A1D88.2090000@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:29:44 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acqui References: <001a01c1a110$8ac80ec0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <02011917194207.25566@a.genesis.com> <02011919063200.01407@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> <02011919592700.01230@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > I seem to be missing a few points in relation to AOL purchasing RH. > > 1. What is AOL going to buy? Linux and almost all associated programs are > under some form of public user license. RH major contribution is program > verification and packaging by a nifty installer program. > The name. Red Hat is BY FAR the dominant force in Linux today (sorry to all the Mandrake, SuSE and Debian guys out there, buy in a business environment, in this side of the pond, it's RH or bust). The name is the most important thing to Red Hat, because it's the thing they've worked the hardest to create. > 2. I thought IBM was the major corporate owner of RH. What do they think > about this? Wouldn't that screw them up with their software? > No, IBM is simply a partner - who figured out what AOL is just now starign to, that to rely on MS for survival is to wait for a slow but sure death (in this case, in the desktop market, which would for all intensive purposes kill AOL as we know it). And why would it screw them up? Last time I checked, AOL made a browser/ISP connection and IBM made.... well, server software for Linux. They don't clash. > 3. As far as I understand RH principal asset is it integrity. How long do > they think that will last if all RH Linux users are required to report to > AOL Central by secret code like Netscape users are? Don't believe that then > where does that news report come from on Netscape's email window? > Well, first of all, remember we're dealing with an Open Source company still, when it comes to Red Hat. As for AOL's software, they're pretty much free to do whatever they wish with it - provided that they don't steal and GPL code OR link to any of the glib stuff. Luckily, RH has a large enough user base and more than enough vigilantes to help curb this sort of thing. As for the AOL window - don't know, never used AOL, 'cept from a friend's house. > 4. How long do they think it would take almost all RH users to say "Good by > RH" and "Hello SuSE or Mandrake"? I seem to recall a major split in GUI > because KDE uses Qt which is not public domain. > ... and that's the power of Opens Source, the power of freedom of choice, thee power of the GPL. But also remember that this might also introduce another 33,000,000 new Linux users in a matter of months - that's about double the user base now. Do you honestly believe that every (or even MOST) RH users would drop AOL/RH for something else, simply because it was associated with AOL? Sorry, but if that were the caswe, no sysadmin would EVER touch a Windows network. Management likes name, hires techies, techies use whatever management shoves down their throat. And if Netscape is an indiator, RH will still be alive. What's that little browser's name.... Godzilla, Mothra, Gamera... some monster... ;-) > What would make a lot of sense to both parties would be for AOL to give RH > software away and provide technical support for its installation. Not to AOL - the Linux user base for the home desktop is at 5% at most, .25% at worst. It's not worth it for AOL to try and attach their hopes on a user base that small unless they can somehow expand it. Requiring the use of a Linux distro would go a LONG way towards that goal. > After all > you can down load RH for free and RH does make its money by providing > service to corporate customers. This concept would expand RH user base and > slowly move AOL onto another platform. > Maybe too slowly. That's the problem. With a company like AOL, if you can make the move fast, DO IT. You have to, or you die. That's what happened to Netscape. Corporations are going down the tube at all times. The game is trying to crawl up the tube faster than you are beign brought down it. AOL needs to move fast and thee acceptance of Linux would (has) kill any company at the speed it's going. RH is successfull because of the fast acceptance of Linux on the server. Same with SuSE. Mandrake is successful because they gague their success on the Linux margin - they stay relatively small. The advantage to all these companies is the community support - a buffer to slow the descent through the tube, if you will. The better the community support, the slower the decline (even unto ascent). This is what is demostrated by RH, SuSE, Debian, and the other Linux distros. But that gets into another subject entirely. Have a nice day :-) Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 19 22:35:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA17642 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:35:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA17639 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:35:22 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25737 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:34:47 -0500 Received: from rr (653267hfc110.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.110]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0K3Y6t04588 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:34:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301c1a163$9fa4daa0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: [SLUG] Yet another IBM commercial for Linux Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:36:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Watching the game of New England versus Oakland IBM is running another commercial boasting Linux. It's a sports commercial that they have put to a Linux promotion. Now if they can do this during the Super Bowl that would be cool. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 20 01:45:56 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA17716 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:45:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA17713 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:45:56 -0500 Received: from femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.107]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26047 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:45:21 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020120064426.EORG3699.femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:44:26 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acqui Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:42:36 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <001a01c1a110$8ac80ec0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <02011917194207.25566@a.genesis.com> <02011915410507.00489@progeny> In-Reply-To: <02011915410507.00489@progeny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201200142360L.25566@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 19 January 2002 15:41, you wrote: > Juvenille spite where did that come from? (Not a flame just a > question) It seems that was hinted at in an earlier email where you said "I think it is kind of interesting that they want to buy RedHat just to stick it in Microsoft's fae that they don't have to rely on them to get subscribers. " . Let's not start a flame war. I AOL isn't going to spend that kind of money simply to "stick it in Microsoft's face". They won't be writing a check without a lot better reason than that. Actually, I don't think they really intend to buy RH at all. I think it is probably getting close to time for them to renogotiate their browser contract with MSFT. Among other things (think Machiavelli), they are reminding MSFT that they don't have to agree to the "lock in" unless it is financially to their advantage. If MSFT calls their bluff, they may very well buy RH because it COULD be a good play for them. Even if MSFT caves and gives AOL very good pricing on MSIE, AOL might still buy RH. They don't even have to be mad at MSFT to do it. Here's why. Microsoft's star is descending. The former growth was caused by a huge influx of new users. That huge influx of affluent American customers is over. But the growth of personal computers, and Linux, in 2nd & 3rd world contries has barely begun. (Witness recent (12 month) news regarding Latin America, Africa, India, China and Korea.) Growth for AOL will now come through adding these "fringe" customers (read: Linux Users) to the fold. These fringe customers won't be using any more of the atrociously expensive MSFT products than they are forced to. Moreover, along with the distrust of America comes a distrust of American products, particularly software. Among other things, American software encryption was, until very recently, the pits. It is still no better than available anywhere else on the globe. The recent blundering copyright acts passed in this country but which the US gov't. has announced intentions of enforcing internationally are NOT popular elsewhere nor is the US intention of global enforcement. Linux is seen as being "not-quite-American" ... a good multinational product untainted by a global monopoly. To a resident in a smaller country used to dealing with a larger one, there is a sense of "sympatico" with "little Linux" taking on the big bully and winning. It makes sense for AOL to come to the Linux platform. Moreover, it makes sense for them to do it now rather than before and rather than later. NOW is the opportune time. 1) they know what the track record of interrelations with open source is through their experience with NS. It hasn't been smooth, but it is manageable. 2) MSFT has painted itself into a corner where Linux users would ignore MSIE in droves. Those who compose web pages might load a copy; most other Linuxers would warm up to it like they would a pustulent infection. 3) MSFT growth has stalled. It continues to be hugely profitable but that is of little value to AOL ... AOL needs for the platforms it sits on to grow at some rapid clip. MSFT has faltered. Soon it will stumble. If the DOJ (etc) can bring it to its knees, it is likely the EU will get in some serious kicks of their own. I don't hate MSFT ... but they have told too many lies for too long and been too aggressive to others to expect mercy for themselves. When the giant stumbles, the midgets will be right there to pick its pockets and tie it up if they can. There will be no help for the giant. 4) Linux growth has continued and possibly even accelerated. Current useage figures are in the range of 12-18 million. That's a drop in the MSFT bucket but compares favorably with the Mac / Apple crowd and even comes out ahead because the Linux numbers have forward inertia in their favor. 5) AOL can not grow at its currrent rates except by branching out.to additional platforms ... the happy giant (MSFT) has gotten cranky and his speed has slowed so it doesn't make sense to ride his coattails anymore. 6) Microsoft has set the stage for Linux growth through its pricing and policing policies. 7) Through Mandrake (and possibly other distros), Linux has developed into a desktop contender. The Gnome Ximian project is cranking out a credible desktop to give a decent alternative to the KDE desktop. This means "comfort zone" for recent MSFT converts while still leaving the command line or lightweight gui's for the hardcore. Probably others can list even more reasons why now would be a good time. I'm not yet convinced that this is what AOL is up to ... but it might make good sense for them to at least consider these points at this junction in time. Possibly (probably) they are just testing the water to see what sort of reaction news of this type stirs up. Certainly, even if they didn't plant the news item, they are observing the results. Possibly they actually intend to buy Mandrake or some other distro. Maybe it is all just a bargaining red herring to get some leverage with MSFT. With no more info than is in the Washington Post article, it is pretty much impossible to tell. One thing is certain ... the LUG lists are busy today! :-) Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1258948 286404 0 290928 645416 Swap: 401584 5656 395928 Total: 1946936 1264604 682332 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 12:46amup 30 days, 22:49, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.07 From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 20 07:51:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA22845 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 07:51:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA22842 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 07:51:45 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27078 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 07:51:10 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt0a2n0b.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.25.11]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0KCoTm04843 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 07:50:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C4ABF08.838330D8@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 07:58:48 -0500 From: Anita Pesola X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Yet another IBM commercial for Linux References: <001301c1a163$9fa4daa0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yeah, I found that quite interesting. The opposing team's name---Crash---was very apropos.....and the fact that one of IBM's players had the jersey name of "Linux" doing a layup was quite amusing.... Personally, I loved it! Anita Bpreece wrote: > Watching the game of New England versus Oakland > IBM is running another commercial boasting Linux. > > It's a sports commercial that they have put to a Linux promotion. > > Now if they can do this during the Super Bowl that would be cool. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 20 08:04:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA22856 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:04:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA22853 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:04:10 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27100 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:03:40 -0500 Received: from progeny (653489hfc149.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.89.149]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0KD30t19229 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:03:00 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: james martinez To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Yet another IBM commercial for Linux Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 03:04:03 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <001301c1a163$9fa4daa0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <001301c1a163$9fa4daa0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012003040300.03141@progeny> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yeah the basketball one. There are a couple different versions of it that they have been playing the last two weeks. On Saturday 19 January 2002 22:36, you wrote: > Watching the game of New England versus Oakland > IBM is running another commercial boasting Linux. > > It's a sports commercial that they have put to a Linux promotion. > > Now if they can do this during the Super Bowl that would be cool. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 20 09:06:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA22885 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:06:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA22882 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:06:00 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (242829hfc118.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.29.118]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27164 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:05:25 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (localhost.mat [127.0.0.1]) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g0KE4h64007852 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:04:43 -0500 Received: (from billt@localhost) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g0KE4hqv007850 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:04:43 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:04:43 -0500 From: Bill Triplett To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Yet another IBM commercial for Linux Message-ID: <20020120140443.GA7787@fourier.mat> References: <001301c1a163$9fa4daa0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <3C4ABF08.838330D8@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C4ABF08.838330D8@tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 07:58:48AM -0500, Anita Pesola wrote: > Yeah, I found that quite interesting. The opposing team's > name---Crash---was very apropos.....and the fact that one of IBM's > players had the jersey name of "Linux" doing a layup was quite > amusing.... > > Personally, I loved it! Yes, and they portray 'middleware' as the real hero of the entire system. He asks not for glory .. just content to to his job well. The only ill-effect of these commercials is that they portray linux as something solely for the corporate world: a lay-up making, server-farm replacing workhorse of an operating system. Even the average-joe police investigator in that "They Stole All Our Servers" IBM commercial says, "What's a Server?" ... In TV commercials, there are very few incidentals. Don't get me wrong... getting a little public-eye space is great, but when I start seeing KDE or Gnome on the home desktops of people in Hollywood movies or even those bitter-awful Road Runner commercials, then I'll really jump for joy. Regards, Bill > > Anita > > > Bpreece wrote: > > > Watching the game of New England versus Oakland > > IBM is running another commercial boasting Linux. > > > > It's a sports commercial that they have put to a Linux promotion. > > > > Now if they can do this during the Super Bowl that would be cool. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 20 09:42:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA22905 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:42:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA22902 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:42:06 -0500 Received: from ns1.socaldns.com ([216.240.135.106]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27223 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:41:36 -0500 Received: from there (242820hfc204.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.20.204]) by ns1.socaldns.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA01126 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 06:39:45 -0800 Message-Id: <200201201439.GAA01126@ns1.socaldns.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Yet another IBM commercial for Linux Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:44:40 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <001301c1a163$9fa4daa0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <3C4ABF08.838330D8@tampabay.rr.com> <20020120140443.GA7787@fourier.mat> In-Reply-To: <20020120140443.GA7787@fourier.mat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On your part of "ill-effect": It is still only the beginning of Linux being promoted on airwaves by anyone anyway. As I'm sure you know ads are written to address a particular "public". That market segment which is most likely to buy your product. As IBM's mainstay is still business to business this is where they find their public. All over the world you have people wondering what Linux is. Even home users will start to wonder if they can/should move up to the well publicized corporate quality OS they keep hearing about. In my opinion this is not negative, they may not attract non-corporate customers with that, but that's OK. First we need to get Linux known anyway. If IBM can get success with Linux the word will spread. And I agree with you, seing Linux desktops on RoadRunner ads would be very cool! Steve On Sunday 20 January 2002 09:04 am, you wrote: > > Personally, I loved it! > > Yes, and they portray 'middleware' as the real hero of the entire > system. He asks not for glory .. just content to to his job well. > > The only ill-effect of these commercials is that they portray linux as > something solely for the corporate world: a lay-up making, server-farm > replacing workhorse of an operating system. Even the average-joe > police investigator in that "They Stole All Our Servers" IBM > commercial says, "What's a Server?" ... In TV commercials, there are > very few incidentals. > > Don't get me wrong... getting a little public-eye space is great, but > when I start seeing KDE or Gnome on the home desktops of people in > Hollywood movies or even those bitter-awful Road Runner commercials, > then I'll really jump for joy. > > Regards, > Bill From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 20 09:43:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA22910 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:43:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA22907 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:43:32 -0500 Received: from mail15b.boca15-verio.com (mail15b.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA27226 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:43:02 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 07107272 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:41:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C4A8FEF.80505@roblimo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 04:37:51 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Yet another IBM commercial for Linux References: <001301c1a163$9fa4daa0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <3C4ABF08.838330D8@tampabay.rr.com> <20020120140443.GA7787@fourier.mat> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > The only ill-effect of these commercials is that they portray linux as > something solely for the corporate world: a lay-up making, server-farm > replacing workhorse of an operating system. Even the average-joe > police investigator in that "They Stole All Our Servers" IBM > commercial says, "What's a Server?" ... In TV commercials, there are > very few incidentals. These are ads for IBM, not ads for Linux. I've spent a fair amount of time talking with Susan DeKeukelaere, who's in charge of z/390 marketing, and to her Linux is a sales tool for IBM hardware and services, not a "cause" of some sort. Get a couple of bumps down the corporate ladder, into the tech crowd, and you find lots of Linux junkies. But they don't control the ad budget. :) FYI, and a ray of hope (unless you hate IBM): There is a significant movement within IBM (spawned by the techie crowd, natch) to push desktop Linux both internally and as a customer option. I think we should be happy that IBM mentions Linux at all in its TV spots. Believe me, when most of your friends/associates are tech-types, it's easy to forget that only a tiny percentage of the population has even heard the word. The guys at Bentley's (semi-biker bar in Bradenton I go to sometimes) sure haven't, even though most of them have computers and Internet connections (mostly AOL). - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 20 11:40:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA22993 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:40:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA22990 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:40:28 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27389 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:39:58 -0500 Received: from [10.10.1.28] (6532163hfc129.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.163.129]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0KGdIt00454 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:39:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Yet another IBM commercial for Linux From: Andrew Wyatt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C4A8FEF.80505@roblimo.com> References: <001301c1a163$9fa4daa0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <3C4ABF08.838330D8@tampabay.rr.com> <20020120140443.GA7787@fourier.mat> <3C4A8FEF.80505@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 20 Jan 2002 11:19:51 +0000 Message-Id: <1011525592.8357.1.camel@latitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > FYI, and a ray of hope (unless you hate IBM): There is a significant > movement within IBM (spawned by the techie crowd, natch) to push desktop > Linux both internally and as a customer option. > I assisted a cluster of IBM consultants switch from Win2K to RH 7.0 while they were working on my team some time ago. I consider it a significant win, as they are using it. -Andrew From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 20 13:38:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA23026 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:38:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA23023 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:38:29 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA27518 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:37:54 -0500 Received: (qmail 1349 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 18:37:14 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2002 18:37:14 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:37:12 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] smp functionality Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:36:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C4A8FEF.80505@roblimo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have just installed the 2.4.9-12 kernel on RH 7.1 and we have a dual processsor Netfinity. When I booted the new kernel I lost my dual processor functionality. How do I implement that capability. I thought all the kernels were to have that built in? Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Robin (Roblimo) Miller Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 4:38 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Yet another IBM commercial for Linux > The only ill-effect of these commercials is that they portray linux as > something solely for the corporate world: a lay-up making, server-farm > replacing workhorse of an operating system. Even the average-joe > police investigator in that "They Stole All Our Servers" IBM > commercial says, "What's a Server?" ... In TV commercials, there are > very few incidentals. These are ads for IBM, not ads for Linux. I've spent a fair amount of time talking with Susan DeKeukelaere, who's in charge of z/390 marketing, and to her Linux is a sales tool for IBM hardware and services, not a "cause" of some sort. Get a couple of bumps down the corporate ladder, into the tech crowd, and you find lots of Linux junkies. But they don't control the ad budget. :) FYI, and a ray of hope (unless you hate IBM): There is a significant movement within IBM (spawned by the techie crowd, natch) to push desktop Linux both internally and as a customer option. I think we should be happy that IBM mentions Linux at all in its TV spots. Believe me, when most of your friends/associates are tech-types, it's easy to forget that only a tiny percentage of the population has even heard the word. The guys at Bentley's (semi-biker bar in Bradenton I go to sometimes) sure haven't, even though most of them have computers and Internet connections (mostly AOL). - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 20 14:42:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA23067 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:42:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA23064 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:42:21 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27614 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:41:51 -0500 Received: from 24285hfc202 (24285hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.202]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0KJfAt01772 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:41:10 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Yet another IBM commercial for Linux Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:46:07 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <001301c1a163$9fa4daa0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <001301c1a163$9fa4daa0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012014460700.01253@24285hfc202> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Got an mpeg? I watch as little tv as possible. Glen On Saturday 19 January 2002 22:36, you wrote: > Watching the game of New England versus Oakland > IBM is running another commercial boasting Linux. > > It's a sports commercial that they have put to a Linux promotion. > > Now if they can do this during the Super Bowl that would be cool. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 20 14:12:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA23055 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:12:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA23052 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:12:07 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27573 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:11:37 -0500 Received: from [10.10.1.28] (6532163hfc129.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.163.129]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0KJAkX26736 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:10:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] smp functionality From: Andrew Wyatt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 20 Jan 2002 14:07:13 +0000 Message-Id: <1011535638.2724.0.camel@latitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug You installed the uniprocessor kernel, go back and get the SMP kernel, and install that one. On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 18:36, Mikes work account wrote: > I have just installed the 2.4.9-12 kernel on RH 7.1 and we have a dual > processsor Netfinity. When I booted the new kernel I lost my dual processor > functionality. How do I implement that capability. I thought all the > kernels were to have that built in? > > Michael C. Rock > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Robin > (Roblimo) Miller > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 4:38 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Yet another IBM commercial for Linux > > > > > The only ill-effect of these commercials is that they portray linux as > > something solely for the corporate world: a lay-up making, server-farm > > replacing workhorse of an operating system. Even the average-joe > > police investigator in that "They Stole All Our Servers" IBM > > commercial says, "What's a Server?" ... In TV commercials, there are > > very few incidentals. > > > These are ads for IBM, not ads for Linux. I've spent a fair amount of > time talking with Susan DeKeukelaere, who's in charge of z/390 > marketing, and to her Linux is a sales tool for IBM hardware and > services, not a "cause" of some sort. > > Get a couple of bumps down the corporate ladder, into the tech crowd, > and you find lots of Linux junkies. But they don't control the ad budget. :) > > FYI, and a ray of hope (unless you hate IBM): There is a significant > movement within IBM (spawned by the techie crowd, natch) to push desktop > Linux both internally and as a customer option. > > I think we should be happy that IBM mentions Linux at all in its TV > spots. Believe me, when most of your friends/associates are tech-types, > it's easy to forget that only a tiny percentage of the population has > even heard the word. The guys at Bentley's (semi-biker bar in Bradenton > I go to sometimes) sure haven't, even though most of them have computers > and Internet connections (mostly AOL). > > - Robin > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 20 17:54:04 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA23121 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:54:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA23118 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:54:04 -0500 Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27895 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:53:34 -0500 Received: from pool-63.49.65.187.tmpa.grid.net ([63.49.65.187] helo=michael) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16SQpZ-0007OQ-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:52:53 -0500 From: "Michael C. Rock" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] smp functionality Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:04:34 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c1a206$d3bd8140$b1d9fea9@michael> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1011535638.2724.0.camel@latitude> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug There does not appear to be a complete smp kernel, just a 9MB rpm that falls under the i586 category. That is why I missed it. I downloaded the i386 rpm's. Can I use the i586 smp rpm with the 386 kernel rpm. Apparently this is an add to the kernel that allows for SMP functionality. Michael C. Rock > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Andrew > Wyatt > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:07 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] smp functionality > > > You installed the uniprocessor kernel, go back and get the SMP kernel, > and install that one. > > On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 18:36, Mikes work account wrote: > > I have just installed the 2.4.9-12 kernel on RH 7.1 and we have a dual > > processsor Netfinity. When I booted the new kernel I lost my > dual processor > > functionality. How do I implement that capability. I thought all the > > kernels were to have that built in? > > > > Michael C. Rock > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Robin > > (Roblimo) Miller > > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 4:38 AM > > To: slug@nks.net > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Yet another IBM commercial for Linux > > > > > > > > > The only ill-effect of these commercials is that they portray linux as > > > something solely for the corporate world: a lay-up making, server-farm > > > replacing workhorse of an operating system. Even the average-joe > > > police investigator in that "They Stole All Our Servers" IBM > > > commercial says, "What's a Server?" ... In TV commercials, there are > > > very few incidentals. > > > > > > These are ads for IBM, not ads for Linux. I've spent a fair amount of > > time talking with Susan DeKeukelaere, who's in charge of z/390 > > marketing, and to her Linux is a sales tool for IBM hardware and > > services, not a "cause" of some sort. > > > > Get a couple of bumps down the corporate ladder, into the tech crowd, > > and you find lots of Linux junkies. But they don't control the > ad budget. :) > > > > FYI, and a ray of hope (unless you hate IBM): There is a significant > > movement within IBM (spawned by the techie crowd, natch) to push desktop > > Linux both internally and as a customer option. > > > > I think we should be happy that IBM mentions Linux at all in its TV > > spots. Believe me, when most of your friends/associates are tech-types, > > it's easy to forget that only a tiny percentage of the population has > > even heard the word. The guys at Bentley's (semi-biker bar in Bradenton > > I go to sometimes) sure haven't, even though most of them have computers > > and Internet connections (mostly AOL). > > > > - Robin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 21 02:40:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA23397 for slug-track29; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:40:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA23394 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:40:50 -0500 Received: from femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.146]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28843 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:40:16 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020121073935.WQDY20153.femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:39:35 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] smp functionality Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:37:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <000501c1a206$d3bd8140$b1d9fea9@michael> In-Reply-To: <000501c1a206$d3bd8140$b1d9fea9@michael> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012102374110.25566@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sunday 20 January 2002 18:04, you wrote: Michael, Firing up a kernel compile is not as fearsome an event as formerly and SMP is just one more option in the compile process. Take a look here: http://www.linuxlookup.com/html/guides/kernel.html for a VERY good "cookbook" kernel compile. It took me about 2 hrs the first time ... more like an hour now. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1255380 289972 0 280996 633400 Swap: 401584 5608 395976 Total: 1946936 1260988 685948 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 2:30am up 32 days, 33 min, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 21 11:06:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA23772 for slug-track29; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:06:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA23769 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:06:07 -0500 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA30229 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:05:38 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 16:04:57 -0000 Message-ID: <3C4C3C71.49905CD8@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:06:09 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] What does this mean? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug What does this mean? Warning: Couldn't stat file I can't find seem to find any generic description for this error. -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:35:08 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA30311 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:34:33 -0500 Received: (qmail 21299 invoked by uid 508); 21 Jan 2002 16:33:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (24.164.21.236) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 16:33:34 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=jcopenha) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16ShNw-0000O5-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:33:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:33:28 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-Sender: To: slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] What does this mean? In-Reply-To: <3C4C3C71.49905CD8@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug the stat command is used usually just to see if a file exists.. if you do a 'man stat' it will tell you what other info it will tell you.. usually stuff like read/write/execute/directory Jason On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Mike Manchester wrote: > What does this mean? > Warning: Couldn't stat file > I can't find seem to find any generic description for this error. > -- > perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'< c496e657870225f636b6371202d49636f62737f6664702355736b637 > 12a0 > RM > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 21 11:35:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA23792 for slug-track29; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:35:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA23789 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:35:34 -0500 Received: from morpheus-ssn.nks.net (morpheus.nks.net [216.139.201.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30313 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:35:04 -0500 Received: from mta015.verizon.net (mta015pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.218]) by morpheus-ssn.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10510 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:34:24 -0500 Received: from prometheus.gte.net ([65.34.103.75]) by mta015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.02 201-253-122-122-102-20011128) with ESMTP id <20020121163353.OXIU9120.mta015.verizon.net@prometheus.gte.net> for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:33:53 -0600 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020121113120.022df368@mail.gte.net> X-Sender: vt1@mail.gte.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:34:10 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: VT Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL Looking to acqui In-Reply-To: <200201200200.SAA24085@ns1.socaldns.com> References: <02011919063200.01407@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> <001a01c1a110$8ac80ec0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <02011917194207.25566@a.genesis.com> <02011919063200.01407@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug At 09:05 PM 1/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: >RedHat is one huge developer with amazing amount of talent. >As long as AOL let RH be RH it would be a great future for RH and Linux in >general. I'm not sure what the past statistics of AOL's "assimilation's" are. >I think that's where I'd look first. Do they always change a copany that is >successful, or do they only change those who need it? WinAmp and ICQ are examples of a companies that AOL acquired then 'mostly' left alone. VT From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 21 12:52:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA23892 for slug-track29; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:52:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA23889 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:52:29 -0500 Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA30573 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:51:59 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 17:51:18 -0000 Message-ID: <3C4C5563.E52A0A44@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:52:35 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What does this mean? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks Jason; I wasn't aware it was a program by it's self. I was thinking it was some kind of status message being returned by the running program. Thanks again. Mike M. Jason Copenhaver wrote: > > the stat command is used usually just to see if a file exists.. if you do > a 'man stat' it will tell you what other info it will tell you.. usually > stuff like read/write/execute/directory > > Jason > > On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Mike Manchester wrote: > > > What does this mean? > > Warning: Couldn't stat file > > I can't find seem to find any generic description for this error. > > -- > > perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'< > c496e657870225f636b6371202d49636f62737f6664702355736b637 > > 12a0 > > RM > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:04:17 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30612 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:03:47 -0500 Received: from aeon.vmlinux.com (653293hfc166.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.93.166]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0LI2uX08703 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:02:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:02:55 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Braman X-Sender: aeon@aeon.vmlinux.com To: slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] What does this mean? In-Reply-To: <3C4C3C71.49905CD8@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Mike Manchester wrote: > What does this mean? > Warning: Couldn't stat file Poorly written programs usually put out that message when a file/directory entry does not exist. Paul Braman aeon@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 21 18:16:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA24432 for slug-track29; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:16:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA24429 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:16:54 -0500 Received: from ajax.cnchost.com (ajax.cnchost.com [207.155.248.31]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31785 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:16:19 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by ajax.cnchost.com id SAA22704; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:15:36 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16Snk2-0007gA-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:20:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:20:26 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Sarasota Meeting Message-ID: <20020121182026.A24731@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ----- Forwarded message from slug@lists.nks.net ----- From: "Cameron Hunt" To: Subject: Sarasota SLUG Meeting invite Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:43:48 -0500 To all Sarasota/Bradenton SLUGers (including our orphans in Naples/Ft. Myers): Tomorrow is the big day - we'll be covering Linux clusters, along with the usual motley crue of rumors, lies, and damn lies (AOL/Red Hat anyone?). As always, the meeting is BYOB (Bring Your Own Brain/Burbon/Beer). We'll see you at 7:00 p.m.! Thanks, Cam Hunt Certification, Inc. Certification, Inc. offers the only complete Open Source certification track in the state of Florida: the SAIR/GNU Linux Certified Engineer (LCE). SLUG members can qualify for free classes. ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 21 19:20:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA24477 for slug-track29; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:20:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA24474 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:20:40 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31977 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:20:05 -0500 Received: from there (242855hfc73.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.55.73]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0M0JPt17042 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:19:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201220019.g0M0JPt17042@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Elx Wont Install :-( Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:23:22 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey All I'm bummed out. I tried installing elx on a couple of machines and I cannot get X to work on my laptop. I checked the XFree log and it says "hsync out of range" for all modes. I've tried all sorts of options for display and I even tried creating a custom display. Nothing seems to work. However, I reinstalled Mandrake 8.1 and it works great. I don't get it. I'm not sure what to do.. Any ideas? Regards Russ W From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 21 21:22:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA24590 for slug-track29; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:22:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA24587 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:22:26 -0500 Received: from bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.72]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32251 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:21:46 -0500 Received: from louise (24161253hfc11.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.253.11]) by bmsmtp-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0M2K5w19378 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:20:05 -0500 Message-ID: <00dd01c1a2eb$8bbfc660$0231a8c0@sanders> From: "Larry Sanders" To: References: <3C4C5563.E52A0A44@yahoo.com> Subject: [SLUG] Red Hat 7.2 at CompUSA Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:21:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug With all this hoopla about AOL... I got my copy of Red Hat 7.2 shrinkwrapped box half off ... $30 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 21 21:34:42 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA24605 for slug-track29; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:34:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA24602 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:34:36 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32273 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:34:01 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (242853hfc215.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.53.215]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0M2XGX20367; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:33:17 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C45FDB3.D6D1663A@yahoo.com> References: <3C45FDB3.D6D1663A@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:33:09 -0500 To: slug@nks.net, Mike Manchester From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] sending a file attachment with mail from the command line Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Mike, I'm sorry this is coming late, but I'm nearly a week late at catching up to the SLUG list. I believe the correct way to do this, as an attachment, is to do the following: mail - s "mebs backup" someone@somewhere.com ~r /the/exact/path/of/mebsbackup.tgz Ctrl-D The "tilde r" in the man page(off my cuff) for "mail" states: starting from the first column with "~r", proceeding with a space, and then a path/filename, will attach the file upon executing a carriage return. I hope I've helped, and I'm not too late. Mario >I'm trying to setup an automated database backup. I'm using mysqldump to >dump the data to a text file and then tar the file up (it's not a large >database) and then I would like to send it to a user on a differnet >system. This is the command I'm using >mail -s "mebs backup" somone@somewhere.com < mebsbackup.tgz > >This will send the file but not as an attachement to the email. I do get >the contents of the file but I was hoping for a file "mebsbackup.tgz" >that I could save on my system. >Any ideas how to do this? >Thanks >Mike M > >-- >perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<c496e657870225f636b6371202d49636f62737f6664702355736b637 >12a0 >RM > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 00:26:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA24694 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:26:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA24689 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:26:07 -0500 Received: from warspite.cnchost.com (warspite.concentric.net [207.155.248.9]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32573; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:25:27 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by warspite.cnchost.com id AAA11816; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:24:45 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16StVO-0008Mw-00; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:29:58 -0500 To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, linux-announce@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: From: "Paul M. Foster" Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:29:58 -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* DUNEDIN ************************************************** 26 January 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library, 223 Douglas Ave., Community Room A. Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#dunedin for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 2 February 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#npr for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 7 February 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#Brandon for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 13 February 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd Lakepointe I Building Tampa, FL 33607 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#tampa for directions. BRANDON II *********************************************** 21 February 19:00-21:00 Brandon (third Thursday of each month) Computer Advantage Store 217 Brandon Town Center Drive Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#BrandonII for directions. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 23 February 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library, 223 Douglas Ave., Community Room A. Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#dunedin for directions. SARASOTA ************************************************* 26 February 19:00-21:00 Sarasota (fourth Tuesday of each month) Certification Inc. 2033 Wood St Suite 220 Sarasota, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings#sarasota for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 00:53:56 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA24709 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:53:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA24706 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:53:55 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32626 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:53:21 -0500 Received: from there (242857hfc125.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.57.125]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0M5qUt12881 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:52:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201220552.g0M5qUt12881@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Jim To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Elx Wont Install :-( Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:47:16 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <200201220019.g0M0JPt17042@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200201220019.g0M0JPt17042@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I had this happen on one machine. Although it was not a laptop. I opened the case and yanked out the vid card and wrote down the exact number on the chip. I put it back together and then selected that chip during the set up and everything worked fine. Obviously, this would not be as easy to do on a laptop. Jim On Monday 21 January 2002 07:23 pm, you wrote: > Hey All > > I'm bummed out. I tried installing elx on a couple of machines and I > cannot get X to work on my laptop. I checked the XFree log and it says > "hsync out of range" for all modes. I've tried all sorts of options for > display and I even tried creating a custom display. Nothing seems to work. > However, I reinstalled Mandrake 8.1 and it works great. I don't get it. > I'm not sure what to do.. Any ideas? > > Regards > Russ W From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 01:04:36 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA24720 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:04:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA24717 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:04:35 -0500 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA32662 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:04:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:04:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200201220604.BAA32662@homer.nks.net> Received: from tampappp231.net.usf.edu (HELO linux) (131.247.167.40) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2002 06:03:24 -0000 From: Justin Keyes X-Mailer: Arrow 1.0.8 (X11; Linux 2.4.4-4GB; i686) To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What does this mean? Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I don't think that's an error. On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:06:09 -0500, Mike Manchester wrote: > > What does this mean? > Warning: Couldn't stat file > I can't find seem to find any generic description for this error. > -- > perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'< c496e657870225f636b6371202d49636f62737f6664702355736b637 > 12a0 > RM > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 02:16:36 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA24780 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:16:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA24777 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:16:25 -0500 Received: from femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.107]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00334 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:15:55 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020122071514.FOOB3699.femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com>; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:15:14 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: editors@idg.net Subject: [SLUG] Factual error in Asian Acceptance of Linux article Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:13:18 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201220213181K.25566@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This email references article: http://www.idg.net/ec?content_source_id=25&idgnet_page=1&page_id=1773&channel_id=1-3921&remote_addr=24%2E181%2E228%2E31&doc_id=790929&site_id=366&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Enewsforge%2Ecom%2Farticle%2Epl%3Fsid%3D02%2F01%2F21%2F2013230&sud=1 which erroneously states that Oracle is not available for the Linux platform. It most certainly is available for that platform. According to the Oracle website, Linux is a supported platform. The article had stated that the lack of applications such as Oracle and SAP AG for Linux impedes its acceptance in matured IT installations and unfairly characterizes shops which have adopted Linux as lacking in maturity, hinting that their decisions are based on faulty, hasty, research. Since there is no such lack; as attested to by Oracle at the following link, I submit that the faulty research lies elsewhere. http://otn.oracle.com/tech/linux/content.html I would suspect that the acceptance is not impeded in technologically adept installations, but is impeded in those falling behind in their use of technology. It took me less than ten minutes to determine that Oracle is supported and to fire off an e-mail inquiry to SAP AG. Any IT person (or reporter) worth their salt could certainly do the same. The IDG article about Asian acceptance of Linux erroneously stated that neither Oracle nor SAP AG was available for Linux. I have demonstrated that Oracle is certainly currently available. Perhaps you should check with SAP, as well. W Canaday Detroit, MI -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1306816 238536 0 290132 657316 Swap: 401584 5604 395980 Total: 1946936 1312420 634516 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 1:58am up 33 days, 1 min, 4 users, load average: 1.03, 1.16, 1.12 From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 01:54:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA24755 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:54:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA24752 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:54:56 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA32748 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:54:22 -0500 Received: from there (242857hfc125.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.57.125]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0M6rfm26870 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:53:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201220653.g0M6rfm26870@smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Jim To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Elx Wont Install :-( Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:48:26 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <200201220019.g0M0JPt17042@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200201220019.g0M0JPt17042@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I also recommend their Forum at : www.elxlinux.com I was trying to install the correct driver for my nvidia card and received several replies, all very good. However, the best reply was the one that said to look on the 2nd Elx cd for the nvidia rpms. Of course then somebody replied that if its on the cd, why didn't it install it instead of the generic 'nv' driver. Hey, at least its there. -after all its still a rc later JIM On Monday 21 January 2002 07:23 pm, you wrote: > Hey All > > I'm bummed out. I tried installing elx on a couple of machines and I > cannot get X to work on my laptop. I checked the XFree log and it says > "hsync out of range" for all modes. I've tried all sorts of options for > display and I even tried creating a custom display. Nothing seems to work. > However, I reinstalled Mandrake 8.1 and it works great. I don't get it. > I'm not sure what to do.. Any ideas? > > Regards > Russ W From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 13:45:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA25403 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:45:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA25400 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:45:48 -0500 Received: from mcncmdm1exims2.marriott.com (host254.marriott.com [162.130.1.254]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02267 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:45:14 -0500 Received: by mcncmdm1exims2.marriott.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:44:30 -0500 Message-ID: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BA@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> From: "Grantham, Patrick" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: [SLUG] sendmail Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:42:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have my box received mail, but I can't configure win clients to retreive email from the accounts Outlook gives the error: Unable to connect to server: error 0x800ccc0e For the POP3 host name, on the client, I am using the actual IP for the server. Both the client and the server are on the same private subet. Any suggestions? From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 14:02:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA25426 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:02:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA25423 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:02:40 -0500 Received: from zorak.illusionary.lan (653231hfc40.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.31.40]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02353 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:02:10 -0500 Received: from yog-sothoth (yog-sothoth [192.168.10.9]) by zorak.illusionary.lan (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA29694 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:01:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] sendmail From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BA@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> References: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BA@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 22 Jan 2002 14:01:25 -0500 Message-Id: <1011726085.8190.8.camel@yog-sothoth> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 13:42, Grantham, Patrick wrote: > I have my box received mail, but I can't configure win clients to retreive > email from the accounts > Outlook gives the error: > Unable to connect to server: error 0x800ccc0e > > For the POP3 host name, on the client, I am using the actual IP for the > server. Both the client and the server are on the same private subet. > > Any suggestions? Make sure you actually have a POP/IMAP client installed and configured. Sendmail isn't a POP/IMAP server, only SMTP. You'll usually install some package called (strangely enough) something like "imapd" or "popd" or similar. Check /etc/inetd.conf and make sure it has an entry for "imap" or "pop" depending on which you are using. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 14:19:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA25475 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:19:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA25472 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:19:40 -0500 Received: from mcncmdm1exims2.marriott.com (host254.marriott.com [162.130.1.254]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02441 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:19:10 -0500 Received: by mcncmdm1exims2.marriott.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:18:30 -0500 Message-ID: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BC@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> From: "Grantham, Patrick" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] sendmail Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:16:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug pardon my poor grammer. There is mail in the email boxes (as evident via webmin and pine.) Outlook clients just can seem to retrieve it. Thanks for the suggestion. I will look into it. -----Original Message----- From: Derek Glidden [mailto:dglidden@illusionary.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 2:01 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] sendmail On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 13:42, Grantham, Patrick wrote: > I have my box received mail, but I can't configure win clients to retreive > email from the accounts > Outlook gives the error: > Unable to connect to server: error 0x800ccc0e > > For the POP3 host name, on the client, I am using the actual IP for the > server. Both the client and the server are on the same private subet. > > Any suggestions? Make sure you actually have a POP/IMAP client installed and configured. Sendmail isn't a POP/IMAP server, only SMTP. You'll usually install some package called (strangely enough) something like "imapd" or "popd" or similar. Check /etc/inetd.conf and make sure it has an entry for "imap" or "pop" depending on which you are using. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 14:34:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA25510 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:34:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA25507 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:34:42 -0500 Received: from mcncmdm1exims2.marriott.com (host254.marriott.com [162.130.1.254]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02507 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:34:04 -0500 Received: by mcncmdm1exims2.marriott.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:33:23 -0500 Message-ID: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BD@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> From: "Grantham, Patrick" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] sendmail Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:31:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug There is a line and refrences a /usr/sbin/popper. Of course this file does not exist. What package would you expect to include this? -----Original Message----- From: Derek Glidden [mailto:dglidden@illusionary.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 2:01 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] sendmail On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 13:42, Grantham, Patrick wrote: > I have my box received mail, but I can't configure win clients to retreive > email from the accounts > Outlook gives the error: > Unable to connect to server: error 0x800ccc0e > > For the POP3 host name, on the client, I am using the actual IP for the > server. Both the client and the server are on the same private subet. > > Any suggestions? Make sure you actually have a POP/IMAP client installed and configured. Sendmail isn't a POP/IMAP server, only SMTP. You'll usually install some package called (strangely enough) something like "imapd" or "popd" or similar. Check /etc/inetd.conf and make sure it has an entry for "imap" or "pop" depending on which you are using. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 14:25:04 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA25495 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:25:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA25492 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:25:03 -0500 Received: from gandalf.mptotalcare.com ([63.150.250.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02463 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:24:24 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.20]) by gandalf.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA12756 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:23:48 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA05198 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:23:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] sendmail From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BA@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> References: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BA@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 22 Jan 2002 14:23:48 -0500 Message-Id: <1011727428.5344.24.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 13:42, Grantham, Patrick wrote: > I have my box received mail, but I can't configure win clients to retreive > email from the accounts > Outlook gives the error: > Unable to connect to server: error 0x800ccc0e > > For the POP3 host name, on the client, I am using the actual IP for the > server. Both the client and the server are on the same private subet. > > Any suggestions? Are you running a pop3 service? Sendmail is typically used as MTA and/or MDA. An additional pop3 server service should be running and listening on port 110 (tcp and udp) or even better with ssl on port 995. Do a "# netstat -l" to see what ports your box is currently listening on. Alternately, you can run "# nmap -p 1-1024 localhost". If pop3 is running and listening, I would check if you any running any firewall rules that may prevent users from accessing the pop3 port(s). Matt From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 14:37:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA25520 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:37:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA25517 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:37:54 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02526 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:37:14 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc03.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.3]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0MJaNX15801 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:36:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C4DBFBF.8000205@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:38:39 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: "Joe^M"]OT: Help!!!! References: <3C42CADB.604DE714@tampabay.rr.com> <02011419173001.01252@24285hfc64> <3C43FB7E.FCF47D27@tampabay.rr.com> <02011513052100.01253@24285hfc216> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If you can get a snail mail address for the offenders send them a bill for their abuse of your computer equipment. If that doesn't get their attention, take them to small claims court. Keep the amount small enough to qualify. You'll win by default if they don't show. I've heard of this being done successfully with telemarketers. Repeat as needed. Ed (remember I am not a lawyer) Centanni Glen wrote: > I didn't get them to quit. I have to just kill it with it shows up. (no > choice in the matter really). > > Glen > > On Tuesday 15 January 2002 04:50, you wrote: > >>Glen wrote: >> >>>Anita: >>> >>> Welcome to Windows virii. This one is either badtrans or magistr, >>>I don't remember which (I just spent 15 hours this weekend killing this >>>and more off at work). Congratulations, you're in someone's Outlook >>>address book ;) >>> >>> Glen >>> >>Ok, so how do I get the bozo to quit with the emails??? I'm getting tired >>of it. And I haven't been infected (I do run Windoze on occasion), so I >>guess I should be grateful. I have sent him an email with a CC to both >>rr.com and gte.net (verizon.net now, I guess) to stop emailing me. I hope >>it works. >> >>Anita >> > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 14:40:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA25528 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:40:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA25525 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:40:32 -0500 Received: from mcncmdm1exims1.marriott.com (host254.marriott.com [162.130.1.254]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02538 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:40:03 -0500 Received: by mcncmdm1exims1.marriott.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:39:23 -0500 Message-ID: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BE@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> From: "Grantham, Patrick" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] sendmail Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:37:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On three deployments of Suse's Distribution of Linux, non have this animal. What package does it come with? -----Original Message----- From: Derek Glidden [mailto:dglidden@illusionary.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 2:01 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] sendmail On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 13:42, Grantham, Patrick wrote: > I have my box received mail, but I can't configure win clients to retreive > email from the accounts > Outlook gives the error: > Unable to connect to server: error 0x800ccc0e > > For the POP3 host name, on the client, I am using the actual IP for the > server. Both the client and the server are on the same private subet. > > Any suggestions? Make sure you actually have a POP/IMAP client installed and configured. Sendmail isn't a POP/IMAP server, only SMTP. You'll usually install some package called (strangely enough) something like "imapd" or "popd" or similar. Check /etc/inetd.conf and make sure it has an entry for "imap" or "pop" depending on which you are using. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 14:58:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA25545 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:58:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA25542 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:58:29 -0500 Received: from zorak.illusionary.lan (653231hfc40.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.31.40]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02585 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:57:59 -0500 Received: from yog-sothoth (yog-sothoth [192.168.10.9]) by zorak.illusionary.lan (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA29738 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:57:18 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] How email works (was re: sendmail) From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BC@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> References: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BC@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 22 Jan 2002 14:57:14 -0500 Message-Id: <1011729434.8190.53.camel@yog-sothoth> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 14:16, Grantham, Patrick wrote: > pardon my poor grammer. There is mail in the email boxes (as evident via > webmin and pine.) Outlook clients just can seem to retrieve it. Thanks for > the suggestion. I will look into it. Yep, that actually sounds consistent with not having a POP server running. mutt and webmin will both look directly at the local mail spool, while Outlook will need to hit a POP server to retrieve the mail. For anyone else who's monitoring this thread's benefit, here is a 50,000-foot (and acronym-ridden) overview of how mail works: You have a "Mail User Agent", i.e. Mutt or Netscape or Outlook or Evolution, with which you compose an email message. When you click the "Send" button, the MUA contacts your SMTP server which is a "Mail Transfer Agent", something like sendmail or exim or qmail. "SMTP" stands for "Simple Mail Transfer Protocol" and is the protocol by which mailers talk to each other. (RFC821 for those interested in that sort of thing...) SMTP is nothing more than a few "HELO" and "MAIL" and "QUIT" commands that allow mailers to establish a communication session so that they can transfer email content back and forth. Some MUAs are capable of speaking enough of the SMTP spec to deliver the mail directly, but generally, they rely on an outside MTA to do the delivery. Once your MUA has delivered the email to your MTA, your MTA uses DNS to look up the hostname of the machine that accepts delivery of email for the address to which that email is being sent. That machine is also running an MTA that speaks SMTP. So your MTA makes an SMTP connection to that MTA and ... err, transfers your email. Once the remote side has the email, it needs to deliver the mail, and it does that with a "Mail Delivery Agent." Often the MDA is also sendmail, but things like "mailx" and procmail are also MDAs. The MTA, once it has received an email, hands it off to the MDA, (which might be itself, so I guess it would just move the email from the right hand to the left hand...) which then does something with it - either puts it directly in the local mail spool, or parses it to decide if it's SPAM or what-have-you. Regardless, when the MDA is done with it, the mail is considered "delivered" and all that's left is for another MUA to read it. That MUA, if it's running on the same box to which the mail was delivered, can just read the mail file directly. Things like "pine" and "mutt" are usually used in this way, since they are command-line clients that can run on the same host as the MTA that receives the email. If your MUA has direct access to the mail spool, then your job is done. If your MUA is *not* on the same local box as the mail spool, then you need one more step. And it's a step that doesn't have a generic "M-something-A" acronym like "Mail Fetching Agent", (They're usually considered some form of MUA or MTA even though they're actually a little different...) but that's what you need and you get that with POP and IMAP. Things like POP ("Post Office Protocol" - RFC1939 for POP3) and IMAP ("Internet Message Access Protocol" - RFC2060 for IMAP4) are protocols that allow a remote MUA to retreive mail from the spool without direct access to the spool on that machine. POP and IMAP servers are usually NOT the same piece of software as your MTA. To get IMAP or POP support working, you will need to install a seperate POP or IMAP server - often the same server supports both protocols. Fetchmail is another way of getting your email from a remote server, but works differently in that it tries to support every possible method of retrieving your email from somewhere to put it somewhere else, so it kind of wraps EVERY mail delivery method up in one place. So the basic flow of email goes something like: MUA -> MTA -> MTA -> MDA -> spool --> MUA \ (or) -> POP/IMAP/Fetchmail -> MUA -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 15:01:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA25551 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:01:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA25548 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:01:24 -0500 Received: from zorak.illusionary.lan (653231hfc40.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.31.40]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02599 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:00:54 -0500 Received: from yog-sothoth (yog-sothoth [192.168.10.9]) by zorak.illusionary.lan (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA29748 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:00:13 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] sendmail From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BD@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> References: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BD@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 22 Jan 2002 15:00:09 -0500 Message-Id: <1011729609.8189.57.camel@yog-sothoth> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 14:31, Grantham, Patrick wrote: > There is a line and refrences a /usr/sbin/popper. Of course this file does > not exist. What package would you expect to include this? depends on your distro. What are you running? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 15:28:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA25575 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:28:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA25572 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:28:52 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02706 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:28:21 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ga195656 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:29:45 -0500 Message-ID: <022601c1a383$6fb09010$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BA@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> <1011727428.5344.24.camel@menix> Subject: Re: [SLUG] sendmail Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:29:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug near as I can tell pop3 is NOT running. I am not yet certain as to why. However, in inetd.conf and entry pop3 references /usr/sbin/popper which does not exist. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Miller" To: "SLUG List" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] sendmail > On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 13:42, Grantham, Patrick wrote: > > I have my box received mail, but I can't configure win clients to retreive > > email from the accounts > > Outlook gives the error: > > Unable to connect to server: error 0x800ccc0e > > > > For the POP3 host name, on the client, I am using the actual IP for the > > server. Both the client and the server are on the same private subet. > > > > Any suggestions? > Are you running a pop3 service? Sendmail is typically used as MTA and/or > MDA. An additional pop3 server service should be running and listening > on port 110 (tcp and udp) or even better with ssl on port 995. > Do a "# netstat -l" to see what ports your box is currently listening > on. Alternately, you can run "# nmap -p 1-1024 localhost". > > If pop3 is running and listening, I would check if you any running any > firewall rules that may prevent users from accessing the pop3 port(s). > Matt > > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 14:54:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA25540 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:54:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA25537 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:54:37 -0500 Received: from lazarus.dmz.gnutec.com ([24.94.153.132]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02570 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:54:02 -0500 Received: from dhcp70.sec.gnutec.com (dhcp70.sec.gnutec.com [172.16.1.70]) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:57:15 -0500 (EST) From: Cherie Amon X-Sender: cherie@mercury.tampabay.rr.com To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] sendmail In-Reply-To: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BC@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If you are using POP-3, then you might be downloading the mail off the server, which means that it will not be there for another client to download. In that case, you should define your client to "leave mail on the server". I believe IMAP leaves the mail, so you could switch to using IMAP instead as another solution. Enjoy! Cherie On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Grantham, Patrick wrote: > pardon my poor grammer. There is mail in the email boxes (as evident via > webmin and pine.) Outlook clients just can seem to retrieve it. Thanks for > the suggestion. I will look into it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Glidden [mailto:dglidden@illusionary.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 2:01 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] sendmail > > > On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 13:42, Grantham, Patrick wrote: > > I have my box received mail, but I can't configure win clients to retreive > > email from the accounts > > Outlook gives the error: > > Unable to connect to server: error 0x800ccc0e > > > > For the POP3 host name, on the client, I am using the actual IP for the > > server. Both the client and the server are on the same private subet. > > > > Any suggestions? > > Make sure you actually have a POP/IMAP client installed and configured. > Sendmail isn't a POP/IMAP server, only SMTP. You'll usually install > some package called (strangely enough) something like "imapd" or "popd" > or similar. Check /etc/inetd.conf and make sure it has an entry for > "imap" or "pop" depending on which you are using. > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ > http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 15:43:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA25630 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:43:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA25627 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:43:20 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com ([63.150.250.40]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02776 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:42:40 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.20]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA05794 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:42:04 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA05260 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:42:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: RE: [SLUG] sendmail From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BE@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> References: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BE@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 22 Jan 2002 15:42:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1011732124.19498.1.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 14:37, Grantham, Patrick wrote: > On three deployments of Suse's Distribution of Linux, non have this animal. > What package does it come with? > You could start here...: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=suse+pop3&btnG=Google+Search http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=suse+pop3d&btnG=Google+Search http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=suse+imapd&btnG=Google+Search http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=suse+pop3+ssl&btnG=Google+Search From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 17:20:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA25809 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:20:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA25803 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:20:54 -0500 Received: from gandalf.mptotalcare.com ([63.150.250.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03178 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:20:12 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.20]) by gandalf.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA13196 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:19:37 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA05345 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:19:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] sendmail From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <022601c1a383$6fb09010$4401a8c0@patrick> References: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BA@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> <1011727428.5344.24.camel@menix> <022601c1a383$6fb09010$4401a8c0@patrick> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 22 Jan 2002 17:19:36 -0500 Message-Id: <1011737977.19498.14.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 15:29, Patrick Grantham wrote: > near as I can tell pop3 is NOT running. I am not yet certain as to why. > However, in inetd.conf and entry pop3 references /usr/sbin/popper which does > not exist. I found this reference on Google: http://www.suse.com/en/products/suse_linux/i386/packages_professional/qpopper.html -rw-r--r-- root root 74 Sep 20 06:25 /etc/pam.d/pop3 -rwsr-xr-x pop root 28780 Sep 20 06:25 /usr/sbin/popauth -rwxr-xr-x root root 155988 Sep 20 06:25 /usr/sbin/popper On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 14:37, Grantham, Patrick wrote: > On three deployments of Suse's Distribution of Linux, non have this animal. > What package does it come with? > I would look for a package called qpopper. I also believe SUSE has a package called ipop3 or ipop3d. Matt From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 18:22:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA25948 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:22:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA25945 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:22:48 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03471 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:22:18 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc03.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.3]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0MNLYt26306 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:21:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C4DF487.9070303@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:23:51 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] OT: Another just in... References: <0201170041270J.03922@a.genesis.com> <1011289723.4922.11.camel@two> <02011714252110.03922@a.genesis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug "Gates makes security top focus" (??!) Sorry but only the "Looney Tunes" theme came to mind. Ed (Th..th..th..that's all folks!) Centanni Bill wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2002 12:48, you wrote: > >>On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 00:41, Bill wrote: >> >>>Thought I'd pass this along. (Play Twilight Zone theme) >>> > > Moved (prolly got /.'d) > http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svtop/ms011702.htm > > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 20:23:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA26009 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:23:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA26006 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:23:54 -0500 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03751 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:23:25 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-065.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.65] helo=localhost) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16TC7f-0001s6-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:22:44 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16TC7U-00064Z-00 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:22:32 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [MDLUG] OT: Another just in... Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:22:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <0201170041270J.03922@a.genesis.com> <02011714252110.03922@a.genesis.com> <3C4DF487.9070303@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3C4DF487.9070303@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I don't know. The article seems to indicate that there is one type of attitude in the company about how secure to make the software (or not bother trying) and what Mr. Gates has to say about it. If they didn't get the internet before, they certainly learned. If they didn't get security before, they may finally be figuring it out. It would seem also that the reason they are getting it is that they are starting to lose sales (probably to Linux and probably over this issue). It's a great headline, and I can't wait to see them fail, but I don't for a minute count them out for success. Russell Hires On Tuesday 22 January 2002 06:23 pm, you wrote: > "Gates makes security top focus" (??!) > > Sorry but only the "Looney Tunes" theme came to mind. > > Ed (Th..th..th..that's all folks!) Centanni > > Bill wrote: > > On Thursday 17 January 2002 12:48, you wrote: > >>On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 00:41, Bill wrote: > >>>Thought I'd pass this along. (Play Twilight Zone theme) > > > > > Moved (prolly got /.'d) > > http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svtop/ms011702.htm From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 22 22:43:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA26069 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:43:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA26066 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:43:09 -0500 Received: from morpheus-ssn.nks.net (morpheus.nks.net [216.139.201.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03962 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:42:40 -0500 Received: from mta018.verizon.net (mta018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.224]) by morpheus-ssn.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16261 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:41:59 -0500 Received: from Desktop1 ([4.61.233.188]) by mta018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.02 201-253-122-122-102-20011128) with SMTP id <20020123033743.ZAVP14580.mta018.verizon.net@Desktop1>; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:37:43 -0600 Message-ID: <044001c1a3bf$370a7dc0$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: Subject: [SLUG] AOL -- Linux -- M$ -- Courts? Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:36:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug In light of the rumors AOL floated re. acquiring RH this has some fascinating overtones. Perhaps they intend to do just what it is that they accuse M$ of fearing -- link Netscape with Linux and with some assistance from the courts go right at the heart of M$. Sure sounds good for Linux and fun to watch! :-) doc ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AOL Time Warner Sues Microsoft Over Browser Issue Tuesday, January 22, 2002 AOL Time Warner filed an antitrust lawsuit against Microsoft in federal court Tuesday, seeking damages for violations of antitrust law found in a landmark government case against the software giant. The seven-count lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, said the once-dominant Netscape browser suffered harm through Microsoft's unfair promotion of its own Internet Explorer browser. AOL, which now owns Netscape, wants Microsoft to cease its contested business practices and pay damages. Microsoft's Internet Explorer now dominates the browser market. A U.S. appeals court in June upheld findings in the U.S. Justice Department's suit against Microsoft that the company illegally used its monopoly in personal computer operating systems to maintain its dominance. The Justice Department and nine states joining that case have reached a proposed settlement. Nine other states are seeking stiffer penalties against the software giant. Microsoft bundled the Internet Explorer browser with its operating system, leading to the government's suit. The Justice Department and states had argued at trial that Microsoft feared Netscape's popular browser could evolve into a computer platform that could rival Microsoft's Windows operating system. AOL executive John Buckley noted the court ruling and said, "This action is an attempt to get justice in this matter." The company also asked for an immediate injunction against "ongoing and further damage" involving Netscape's browser, Buckley said. One possible option, if a judge rules in favor of AOL, would be to force Microsoft to sell a stripped-down version of its Windows operating system so computer manufacturers could choose which Internet browser to offer. That has also been requested by nine state attorneys general suing Microsoft in federal court. University of Baltimore law professor Bob Lande said of AOL and its lawsuit: "This is a company that obviously can afford it, and wouldn't take the step lightly." "I think they've got an excellent chance of success given that the government has established the facts and established that Microsoft has broken the law," he said. A judge would still have the challenge of choosing a remedy that would restore competition to the Internet browser market. Netscape has only a sliver of the Internet browser market, compared to its dominance several years ago. "You can't literally put the market back in the competitive position it was in, so you'd have to think of a forward-looking remedy to help restore competition in the market as best as possible," Lande said. Reuters and the Associated Press contributed to this report. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,43683,00.html From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 00:36:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA26131 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:36:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA26128 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:36:34 -0500 Received: from valiant.cnchost.com (valiant.concentric.net [207.155.252.9]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04165 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:35:59 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by valiant.cnchost.com id AAA25541; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:35:19 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16TG9P-0003b7-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:40:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:40:42 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL -- Linux -- M$ -- Courts? Message-ID: <20020123004042.B13754@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <044001c1a3bf$370a7dc0$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <044001c1a3bf$370a7dc0$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net>; from e.net@verizon.net on Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 10:36:54PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 10:36:54PM -0500, Doc wrote: > In light of the rumors AOL floated re. acquiring RH this has some > fascinating > overtones. Perhaps they intend to do just what it is that they accuse M$ of > fearing -- link Netscape with Linux and with some assistance from the courts > go right at the heart of M$. > > Sure sounds good for Linux and fun to watch! :-) > > doc > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > AOL Time Warner Sues Microsoft Over Browser Issue > > Tuesday, January 22, 2002 > > AOL Time Warner filed an antitrust lawsuit against Microsoft in federal > court Tuesday, seeking damages for violations of antitrust law found in a > landmark government case against the software giant. > AOL/TW has now denied any attempt to purchase Red Hat, and Red Hat has been silent. This came up on another list, and I forgot to save the link. Sorry. However, current speculation is that they can simply partner with Red Hat. Who knows? But this latest lawsuit reminds me of vultures circling a carcass. That's really not an attempt to downgrade Microsoft, but it's interesting to me that 1) their revenue stream is not doing well, comparatively; 2) XP hasn't set the world on fire (except for OEMs, who really don't have much choice); 3) DOJ has sued and proven that MS violated antitrust laws; 4) several state attorneys general are looking for their own settlement; 5) EU is still trying to decide if and how to punish MS; 6) Gartner has openly advocated going away from MS on the server because of security problems; 7) Gates has made a big public showing of putting MS coders and techs onto security issues; and 8) now AOL-TW (a giant of a corporation and MS's public enemy number two or three) is now suing them for monopolistic practices. Microsoft's still got quite a bit of life left in it ($30B worth or so). But it sure does look like they're surrounded by vultures or hyenas. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 01:01:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA26164 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:01:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA26161 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:01:48 -0500 Received: from femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.16]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04224 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:01:19 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020123060038.BCIU23794.femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:00:38 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL -- Linux -- M$ -- Courts? Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:58:39 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <044001c1a3bf$370a7dc0$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <20020123004042.B13754@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20020123004042.B13754@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201230058390A.14451@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wednesday 23 January 2002 00:40, you wrote: (mucho clippo) > Microsoft's still got quite a bit of life left in it ($30B worth or > so). But it sure does look like they're surrounded by vultures or > hyenas. > > Paul Enough papercuts and the giant will surely fall. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1277840 267512 0 290548 658552 Swap: 401584 5596 395988 Total: 1946936 1283436 663500 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 12:48amup 33 days, 22:51, 4 users, load average: 0.95, 1.04, 1.01 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 07:48:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA26501 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:48:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA26498 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:48:01 -0500 Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05349 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:47:32 -0500 From: keith.kepner@us.pwcglobal.com Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id HAA22956; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xma022653; Wed, 23 Jan 02 07:43:27 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GQE00564633OA@uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:45:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:46:32 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] AOL and RedHat. To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 01/23/2002 07:46:40 AM Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ...who knows? (Thanks Chris!) ...as the rumor begins to spin wildly in the other direction. Date: 2002-01-22 Source: CNET Summary: AOL Time Warner apparently is not making a bid to buy Linux manufacturer Red Hat, said sources familiar with the matter. On Saturday, the Washington Post reported that the media giant was near to cutting a deal with Red Hat in a competitive strike against Microsoft. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 08:44:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA26570 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:44:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA26567 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:44:04 -0500 Received: from mcncmdm1exims2.marriott.com (host254.marriott.com [162.130.1.254]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05488 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:43:30 -0500 Received: by mcncmdm1exims2.marriott.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:42:49 -0500 Message-ID: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528C1@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> From: "Grantham, Patrick" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] sendmail Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:40:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug My post was not entirely accurate. 1 of my Linux deployments is working. This working deployment has a /usr/sbin/popper and a /usr/sbin/pop3d could it be as easy as copying these missing files? -----Original Message----- From: Grantham, Patrick Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 2:37 PM To: 'slug@nks.net' Subject: RE: [SLUG] sendmail On three deployments of Suse's Distribution of Linux, non have this animal. What package does it come with? -----Original Message----- From: Derek Glidden [mailto:dglidden@illusionary.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 2:01 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] sendmail On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 13:42, Grantham, Patrick wrote: > I have my box received mail, but I can't configure win clients to retreive > email from the accounts > Outlook gives the error: > Unable to connect to server: error 0x800ccc0e > > For the POP3 host name, on the client, I am using the actual IP for the > server. Both the client and the server are on the same private subet. > > Any suggestions? Make sure you actually have a POP/IMAP client installed and configured. Sendmail isn't a POP/IMAP server, only SMTP. You'll usually install some package called (strangely enough) something like "imapd" or "popd" or similar. Check /etc/inetd.conf and make sure it has an entry for "imap" or "pop" depending on which you are using. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 08:53:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA26599 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:53:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA26596 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:53:01 -0500 Received: from snoopy.tblc.org (snoopy.tblc.lib.fl.us [206.72.132.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05520 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:52:26 -0500 Received: from bernie.tblc.org (bernie.tblc.org [206.72.132.8]) by snoopy.tblc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A48120000D for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:56:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] Recommendations for a SCSI-2 card? From: Ben Ostrowsky To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 23 Jan 2002 08:53:55 -0500 Message-Id: <1011794035.13567.43.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi folks -- a SCSI newbie here, as you'll soon see. I'm building servers that have Ultra160 hard drives and an Ultra160 backup drive, and I ignorantly included a SCSI-2 DVD/CD-ROM drive on the same chain. (Duhhhh! Why won't my hard drives go any faster? Duhhhh!) So to prevent the chain from downgrading to the speed of that drive, I'm planning to add a simple PCI SCSI-2 card to handle the DVD/CD drive. Any recommendations (Tekram? Adaptec? Other brand? What model?) would be very welcome. Ben From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 09:40:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA26645 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:40:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA26642 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:40:45 -0500 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05650 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:40:11 -0500 Received: from sdn-ar-001txfworp296.dialsprint.net ([168.191.176.34] helo=newross.rossberry.private) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16TOYf-0003ZZ-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:39:25 -0800 Received: from localhost (jawildman@localhost) by newross.rossberry.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0NEf1C04284 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:41:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:41:01 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Wildman To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] AOL -- Linux -- M$ -- Courts? In-Reply-To: <20020123004042.B13754@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug And on the other side IBM is quietly (?) following through on their threat of removing all profit from selling operating systems. When (not if), they roll all the features from AIX, OS390, OS2 and support for their hardware into Linux, where is MS (or Sun or HP) going to be able to sell server OS's? IBM will have a single OS across ALL their hardware, from their rebranded Palms, to x86, to RS6000, to AS400, to System 390... This is already reflected in the xServer naming scheme. Now that is something that could really lower TCO... And think what it means for software vendors. End to end compatibility with a recompile. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP jim@rossberry.com 817-308-3868 http://www.rossberry.com On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 10:36:54PM -0500, Doc wrote: > > > In light of the rumors AOL floated re. acquiring RH this has some > > fascinating > > overtones. Perhaps they intend to do just what it is that they accuse M$ of > > fearing -- link Netscape with Linux and with some assistance from the courts > > go right at the heart of M$. > > > > Sure sounds good for Linux and fun to watch! :-) > > > > doc > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > AOL Time Warner Sues Microsoft Over Browser Issue > > > > Tuesday, January 22, 2002 > > > > AOL Time Warner filed an antitrust lawsuit against Microsoft in federal > > court Tuesday, seeking damages for violations of antitrust law found in a > > landmark government case against the software giant. > > > > > > AOL/TW has now denied any attempt to purchase Red Hat, and Red Hat has > been silent. This came up on another list, and I forgot to save the > link. Sorry. However, current speculation is that they can simply > partner with Red Hat. Who knows? > > But this latest lawsuit reminds me of vultures circling a carcass. > That's really not an attempt to downgrade Microsoft, but it's > interesting to me that 1) their revenue stream is not doing well, > comparatively; 2) XP hasn't set the world on fire (except for OEMs, who > really don't have much choice); 3) DOJ has sued and proven that MS > violated antitrust laws; 4) several state attorneys general are looking > for their own settlement; 5) EU is still trying to decide if and how to > punish MS; 6) Gartner has openly advocated going away from MS on the > server because of security problems; 7) Gates has made a big public > showing of putting MS coders and techs onto security issues; and 8) now > AOL-TW (a giant of a corporation and MS's public enemy number two or > three) is now suing them for monopolistic practices. > > Microsoft's still got quite a bit of life left in it ($30B worth or so). > But it sure does look like they're surrounded by vultures or hyenas. > > Paul > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 12:31:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA26697 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:31:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA26694 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:31:58 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA06207 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:31:23 -0500 Received: (qmail 31215 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2002 17:30:43 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2002 17:30:43 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:30:39 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] startx broken Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:30:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528C1@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug My boot is broken ;o( When it tries to start the X windows the monitor just clicks and goes blank. Everything is fine up to that point. How do I start my workstation without going into graphical mode? That must be an option,,, Michael C. Rock From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 14:09:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA26778 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:09:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA26775 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:09:39 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com ([63.150.250.40]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07077 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:09:39 -0500 Received: from rufus.mptotalcare.com (rufus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.21]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA07547 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:09:09 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by rufus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA31343 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:09:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rufus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] startx broken From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 23 Jan 2002 14:09:08 -0500 Message-Id: <1011812949.19498.71.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 2002-01-23 at 12:30, Mikes work account wrote: > My boot is broken ;o( > > When it tries to start the X windows the monitor just clicks and goes blank. > Everything is fine up to that point. How do I start my workstation without > going into graphical mode? That must be an option,,, > > Michael C. Rock Check your inittab file (in /etc). You'll have a line similar to this: "id:3:initdefault:" which in this case indicates init level 3. This line determines you default init level. After you have determined your default init level, look for a set of directories in /etc named rc0.d, rc1.d, rc2.d, rc3.d, etcetera. Each directory corresponds to an init level. These directories contain mostly symbolic links to startup/shutdown scripts in /etc/init.d (or /etc/rc.d/init.d in RH). Locate the files in the rc#.d folders that begin with S (example S25gdm). Depending on your display manager, you will have a startup "S" script like "S##gdm", "S##kdm", or "S##xdm". As stated before, these are usually symbolic links. Removing these links from your default init level directory will stop your system from starting X at boot. You can always recreate the symbolic links later, if you wish the system to boot into X again. Matt From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 15:23:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA26845 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:23:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA26842 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:23:01 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07378 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:23:02 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc03.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.3]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0NKMVt06169 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:22:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C4F1C14.1060306@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:24:52 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] startx broken References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug At the lilo boot prompt type the word 'single' to boot into single user mode, then you can revert back to a known working X server configuration file (you did save one didn't you?!) or create a new one. Ed. Mikes work account wrote: > My boot is broken ;o( > > When it tries to start the X windows the monitor just clicks and goes blank. > Everything is fine up to that point. How do I start my workstation without > going into graphical mode? That must be an option,,, > > Michael C. Rock > > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 16:36:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA27023 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:36:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA27020 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:36:05 -0500 Received: from femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.22]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07750 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:36:06 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020123213535.TWSI29992.femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com>; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:35:35 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: "MDLUG" , "SUNCOAST LUG" Subject: [SLUG] Microsoft Survey Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:33:33 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201231633330G.14451@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug A company is calling around doing an "open source survey". It is for an internal report for MSFT. Since MSFT is likely using multiple companies to do this research and since I am fully aware that MSFT reps read this mailing list, I decline to mention the name of the company doing the research. Their contact list is at least two years old ... they had an old email address of mine ... probably back when I was still a "preferred customer". The rep did not acknowledge that the survey was for MSFT until confronted directly. Just ask yourself this ... what open source company has the funds to pay someone to do phone surveys all over the US? Game on! Have fun. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1297020 248332 0 290660 665068 Swap: 401584 5596 395988 Total: 1946936 1302616 644320 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 4:16pm up 34 days, 14:19, 4 users, load average: 1.16, 1.42, 1.62 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 16:51:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA27064 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:51:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA27061 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:51:26 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA07811 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:51:26 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ba195755 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:53:19 -0500 Message-ID: <033a01c1a458$3c865b40$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <3C4F1C14.1060306@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] startx broken Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:52:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hmm... This sounds like a good idea. me tinks I should do this. Might you be so kind to pass on this knowledge? ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Centanni" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] startx broken > At the lilo boot prompt type the word 'single' to boot into single user > mode, then you can revert back to a known working X server configuration > file (you did save one didn't you?!) or create a new one. > > Ed. > > > Mikes work account wrote: > > > My boot is broken ;o( > > > > When it tries to start the X windows the monitor just clicks and goes blank. > > Everything is fine up to that point. How do I start my workstation without > > going into graphical mode? That must be an option,,, > > > > Michael C. Rock > > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 16:54:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA27074 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:54:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA27071 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:54:12 -0500 Received: from femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07824 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:54:13 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020123215336.VIQL25713.femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:53:36 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Factual error in Asian Acceptance of Linux article Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:51:35 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0201220213181K.25566@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: <0201220213181K.25566@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201231651350H.14451@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 22 January 2002 02:13, you wrote: > This email references article: > http://www.idg.net/ec?content_source_id=25&idgnet_page=1&page_id=17 >73&channel_id=1-3921&remote_addr=24%2E181%2E228%2E31&doc_id=790929&s >ite_id=366&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Enewsforge%2Ecom%2Farticle%2Epl >%3Fsid%3D02%2F01%2F21%2F2013230&sud=1 which erroneously states that > Oracle is not available for the Linux platform. It most certainly > is available for that platform. > > The IDG article about Asian acceptance of Linux erroneously stated > that neither Oracle nor SAP AG was available for Linux. I have > demonstrated that Oracle is certainly currently available. > > Perhaps you should check with SAP, as well. I did check. According to SAP, they have supported Linux since early 1999. This article contained what appear to be intentional falsehoods uttered by IDG. All I had to do was surf one web site and inquire of one sales department. Surely the IDG writer could have done the same. http://www.sap.com/search/index.asp?ct=international&q1=os&Submit.x=14&Submit.y=9 -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1304740 240612 0 290688 666776 Swap: 401584 5596 395988 Total: 1946936 1310336 636600 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 4:44pm up 34 days, 14:47, 4 users, load average: 1.27, 1.30, 1.24 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 17:38:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA27166 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:38:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA27163 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:38:06 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (242829hfc118.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.29.118]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07978 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:38:06 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (localhost.mat [127.0.0.1]) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g0NMbYax001088 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:37:34 -0500 Received: (from billt@localhost) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g0NMbYUa001086 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:37:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:37:34 -0500 From: Bill Triplett To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Survey Message-ID: <20020123223734.GA1073@fourier.mat> References: <0201231633330G.14451@a.genesis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0201231633330G.14451@a.genesis.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 04:33:33PM -0500, Bill wrote: > A company is calling around doing an "open source survey". It is for > an internal report for MSFT. Since MSFT is likely using multiple > companies to do this research and since I am fully aware that MSFT > reps read this mailing list, I decline to mention the name of the > company doing the research. > > Their contact list is at least two years old ... they had an old > email address of mine ... probably back when I was still a "preferred > customer". > > The rep did not acknowledge that the survey was for MSFT until > confronted directly. Just ask yourself this ... what open source > company has the funds to pay someone to do phone surveys all over the > US? What sort of questions were they asking? Bill From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 19:48:47 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA27471 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:48:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA27468 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:48:46 -0500 Received: from femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08551 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:48:47 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020124004816.LNS25713.femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:48:16 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Survey Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:46:15 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0201231633330G.14451@a.genesis.com> <20020123223734.GA1073@fourier.mat> In-Reply-To: <20020123223734.GA1073@fourier.mat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201231946150P.14451@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wednesday 23 January 2002 17:37, you wrote: > What sort of questions were they asking? > > Bill Mostly questions of a general nature. They seemed very interested in StarOffice and my prognosis of future trends for commercial products to appear for open source platforms. The interviewer professed ignorance of freshmeat although he had heard of newsforge and sourceforge. At first he hinted that he was asking questions for an open source company. But not knowing that freshmeat exists sort of blew that. He was very interested in Linux in my community college. As of today, I am a "purchase influencer" at Henry Ford Community College. We spoke for almost 2 hours. I think I sold him a copy of Mandrake for his laptop. :-) Other Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1307368 237984 0 290704 668016 Swap: 401584 5596 395988 Total: 1946936 1312964 633972 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 7:39pm up 34 days, 17:42, 4 users, load average: 1.15, 1.15, 1.10 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 19:51:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA27486 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:51:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA27483 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:51:50 -0500 Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08582 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:51:51 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.208.205.169.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.208.205.169] helo=Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16TY6q-00000w-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:51:20 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: "Slug" Subject: [SLUG] RH 7.2 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:47:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012319475100.01373@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I would appreciate someone bringing a copy of RH 7.2 to the January Dunedian Meeting. Thanks Frank From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 21:57:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA27647 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:57:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA27644 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:57:51 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08878 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:57:52 -0500 Received: from icarus (6535194hfc52.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.194.52]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0O2vBN21166 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:57:11 -0500 From: "Seth" To: "Slug@Nks. Net" Subject: [SLUG] PGP questions Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:58:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c1a482$f239e9f0$3000a8c0@dbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I am writing this from outlook and use pgp with all my e-mail in it. However at home I use evolution for all my mail. How can I transfer my PGP host keys in windows to GPGP in Linux? Any ideas on where to start? Thanks Seth Seth@Hollen.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPE94PUu+O1SmNwFOEQJkKgCfehc/Ru4oFT3ak+umFokEulhZ5RUAnjOT NJ54OlRzYA8dXlX1A5yFIeqZ =0z81 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 21:31:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA27636 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:31:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA27633 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:31:03 -0500 Received: from jeremybowers.com (adsl-64-169-154-65.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net [64.169.154.65]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08822 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:31:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (ferret@localhost) by jeremybowers.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0O2QOj18675 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:26:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: jeremybowers.com: ferret owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:26:24 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bowers X-X-Sender: ferret@jeremybowers.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] startx broken In-Reply-To: <3C4F1C14.1060306@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Umm, just something to try, When my xserver isn't cooperating, I usually press ctrl-alt-F1. This should get you a prompt, where you can change to init 3. Hope this helps, Jeremy -- This message courtesy of PINE! It's the fresh scent, not the graphics. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 21:58:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA27657 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:58:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA27654 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:58:23 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08881 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:58:23 -0500 Received: from icarus (6535194hfc52.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.194.52]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0O2vmN21234 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:57:48 -0500 From: "Seth" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Recommendations for a SCSI-2 card? Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:58:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c1a483$0863bdf0$3000a8c0@dbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <1011794035.13567.43.camel@bernie.tblc.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've been thinking about going SCSI myself, and several people have recommended Tekram as a lot of bang for the buck. I'm not sure about Linux support though, But I think they use the same chipset as Adaptec. IANACB (I am not a chip builder :) Seth - -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Ben Ostrowsky Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 8:54 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Recommendations for a SCSI-2 card? Hi folks -- a SCSI newbie here, as you'll soon see. I'm building servers that have Ultra160 hard drives and an Ultra160 backup drive, and I ignorantly included a SCSI-2 DVD/CD-ROM drive on the same chain. (Duhhhh! Why won't my hard drives go any faster? Duhhhh!) So to prevent the chain from downgrading to the speed of that drive, I'm planning to add a simple PCI SCSI-2 card to handle the DVD/CD drive. Any recommendations (Tekram? Adaptec? Other brand? What model?) would be very welcome. Ben -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPE94Yku+O1SmNwFOEQIcawCfa1kh1SaTV1eGZ/6r6oz2+5w0egYAnAzJ bjvzNS5KyhWDyeQAIbAg+JQg =x/on -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 22:10:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA27673 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:10:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA27670 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:10:54 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA08900 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:10:55 -0500 Received: from 24.95.237.134.bvl-ubr-a.cfl.rr.com by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id va195775 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:12:53 -0500 Message-ID: <007601c1a484$e1fd0b60$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528BA@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com><1011727428.5344.24.camel@menix> <022601c1a383$6fb09010$4401a8c0@patrick> <1011737977.19498.14.camel@menix> Subject: Re: [SLUG] sendmail Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:11:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks for the suggestion. To accomplish what I wanted I did not have to install any package. I copied the missing files to the appropriate places. Once the sendmail service was restarted, the server is up send received and pop clients can download account email. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Miller" To: "SLUG List" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] sendmail > On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 15:29, Patrick Grantham wrote: > > near as I can tell pop3 is NOT running. I am not yet certain as to why. > > However, in inetd.conf and entry pop3 references /usr/sbin/popper which does > > not exist. > > I found this reference on Google: > > http://www.suse.com/en/products/suse_linux/i386/packages_professional/qpoppe r.html > -rw-r--r-- root root 74 Sep 20 06:25 /etc/pam.d/pop3 > -rwsr-xr-x pop root 28780 Sep 20 06:25 /usr/sbin/popauth > -rwxr-xr-x root root 155988 Sep 20 06:25 /usr/sbin/popper > > On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 14:37, Grantham, Patrick wrote: > > On three deployments of Suse's Distribution of Linux, non have this animal. > > What package does it come with? > > > > I would look for a package called qpopper. I also believe SUSE has a > package called ipop3 or ipop3d. > > Matt > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 22:26:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA27679 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:26:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA27676 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:26:51 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08954 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:26:52 -0500 Received: from gecko.hast.org (653276hfc132.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.76.132]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0O3QLt05485 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:26:21 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ham Radio Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:45:21 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012322452103.16265@gecko.hast.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 07 January 2002 23:37 L, you wrote: > Since someone has already brought up Ham Radio I would like to know if > anyone has any information on attaining a Technician Class license. Study > Guides or information about local clubs that offer classes would be > helpful. > > What I am most interested in is taking a hand-held radio out with me during > kayaking trips and using local repeaters, possibly even autopatch, to > communicate with the outside world. > > And, to make this relevant to this club, here is a useful Linux Ham Radio > link that I found chockful of wholesome goodness http://radio.linux.org.au/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com TARC which has a nice club house here in Tampa has meetings every week, in fact I think there is some sort of meeting going on almost every night at the club house. They also offer license classes, I think it is at least once a week. You can check out the web site at: www.hamclub.org These guys are real good at getting people trained and on the air. Lot of public service and other activity, also lot of computer interest there. TBARS, the repeater arm has several repeaters around the area and there are several people active in out door activity such as what you indicated. Alas the autopatch is no more, some serious problems with some "wilde turkeys" caused that go to away. But people are always willing to make a phone call when needed. In fact I am not sure if there is a autopatch in the area now or not. I have not used one in ages. Better to use the c-phone and not worry about some crass idiot out there causing a mess. The last one was caught and processed, but you can never tell when another one will pop up, so turning off the patch pretty much got rid of that attraction. There is a nice mix of both vhf and uhf repeater so you can play on both bands. -- Chuck Hast KP4DJT kp4djt@tampabay.rr.com To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 22:40:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA27692 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:40:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA27689 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:40:05 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08974 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:40:05 -0500 Received: from gecko.hast.org (653276hfc132.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.76.132]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0O3dZt14287 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:39:35 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:58:35 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0201162124080C.03922@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: <0201162124080C.03922@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012322583505.16265@gecko.hast.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wednesday 16 January 2002 21:24 L, you wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2002 11:19, you wrote: > > ftp://www.anhonestdesire.com/pub > > the so* files. > > They will not be available past the weekend so get'em while they are > hot. > > Bill Finally got the file, I used Opera rather than Konquerer to pull it. That seemed to do it ok, for some reason Konquerer would fail the better way into the download. I am trying to remember how to open those files, I was thinking that you just ran them, but that does not seem to be working. -- Chuck Hast KP4DJT kp4djt@tampabay.rr.com To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 23 22:49:36 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA27698 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:49:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA27695 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:49:36 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08986 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:49:36 -0500 Received: from gecko.hast.org (653276hfc132.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.76.132]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0O3n5X14096 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:49:05 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:08:06 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0201162124080C.03922@a.genesis.com> In-Reply-To: <0201162124080C.03922@a.genesis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012323080606.16265@gecko.hast.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wednesday 16 January 2002 21:24 L, you wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2002 11:19, you wrote: > > ftp://www.anhonestdesire.com/pub > > the so* files. > > They will not be available past the weekend so get'em while they are > hot. > > Bill Bill I changed the permissions (should have looked at that first) and was able to attempt to open them but got all kinds of CRC errors. So much for that, I guess I will have to see if I can get them from you on a CD. Do not know why I got the CRC errors. but it was just full of them. -- Chuck Hast KP4DJT kp4djt@tampabay.rr.com To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 00:02:42 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA27758 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:02:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA27755 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:02:41 -0500 Received: from hank.mjudge.net (adsl-21-235-223.mco.bellsouth.net [66.21.235.223]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09154 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:02:41 -0500 Received: from beavis.mjudge.net (beavis.mjudge.net [192.168.1.2]) by hank.mjudge.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0O52BL17258; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:02:11 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian Coyle Organization: CHAOS -- That's a level of organization, isn't it? To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ham Radio Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:02:10 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <02012322452103.16265@gecko.hast.org> In-Reply-To: <02012322452103.16265@gecko.hast.org> Cc: LEAPlist MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012400021003.01245@beavis.mjudge.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 23 January 2002 22:45, Chuck Hast wrote: > On Monday 07 January 2002 23:37 L, you wrote: > > Since someone has already brought up Ham Radio I would like to know if > > anyone has any information on attaining a Technician Class license. I believe FCC exams will be given at HamCation 2002 in Orlando. (http://www.oarc.org/hamcat.html) > TARC which has a nice club house here in Tampa has meetings every > week, in fact I think there is some sort of meeting going on almost every > night at the club house. > > They also offer license classes, I think it is at least once a week. > You can check out the web site at: > > www.hamclub.org > If any of the Tampa hams will be attending HamCation 2002 in Orlando Feb. 8-10, be sure and stop by the Linux Enthusiasts and Professionals (http://www.leap-cf.org) booth to say HI! Brian - (not a ham, but was once a Civil Air Patrol licensed comm-officer) - -- GPG Key fingerprint = AE1C 123A 1153 8A63 E8A9 FAEA 111D CCB8 7527 701B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8T5VSER3MuHUncBsRApE0AJ0bXo45pC5p5MDU+AEMZNNtLgf/2wCeNTba JWHZ/kS2fIa9+YMh9jHsdAI= =bvbW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 01:27:04 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA27830 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:27:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA27826 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:27:03 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09337; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:27:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0O6QXx09600; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:26:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:26:33 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: Slug List cc: Slug Politics Subject: [SLUG] Two recent email: Microsoft Partners: Help Us Help You Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Slug-Politics list has been really quiet -- I'll cross-post and invite people to join in the fun there. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 07:58:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA28667 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:58:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA28664 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:58:01 -0500 Received: from bnfep01.boone.winstar.net (bnfep01w.boone.winstar.net [63.140.240.51]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10841 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:58:02 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([63.141.67.114]) by bnfep01.boone.winstar.net with ESMTP id <20020124125731.PWIP452.bnfep01@dallas.utilpart.com> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:57:31 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:57:20 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A464@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Ham Radio Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:57:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Great! I plan to attend. Hope to see you there -----Original Message----- From: Brian Coyle [mailto:brian@linuxwidows.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:02 AM To: slug@nks.net Cc: LEAPlist Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ham Radio -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 23 January 2002 22:45, Chuck Hast wrote: > On Monday 07 January 2002 23:37 L, you wrote: > > Since someone has already brought up Ham Radio I would like to know if > > anyone has any information on attaining a Technician Class license. I believe FCC exams will be given at HamCation 2002 in Orlando. (http://www.oarc.org/hamcat.html) > TARC which has a nice club house here in Tampa has meetings every > week, in fact I think there is some sort of meeting going on almost every > night at the club house. > > They also offer license classes, I think it is at least once a week. > You can check out the web site at: > > www.hamclub.org > If any of the Tampa hams will be attending HamCation 2002 in Orlando Feb. 8-10, be sure and stop by the Linux Enthusiasts and Professionals (http://www.leap-cf.org) booth to say HI! Brian - (not a ham, but was once a Civil Air Patrol licensed comm-officer) - -- GPG Key fingerprint = AE1C 123A 1153 8A63 E8A9 FAEA 111D CCB8 7527 701B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8T5VSER3MuHUncBsRApE0AJ0bXo45pC5p5MDU+AEMZNNtLgf/2wCeNTba JWHZ/kS2fIa9+YMh9jHsdAI= =bvbW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 08:20:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA28682 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:20:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA28679 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:20:52 -0500 Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA10907 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:20:53 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 13:20:22 -0000 Message-ID: <3C500A66.7DBE5953@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:21:42 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] Making an ISO image of a bootabe cd. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Can this be done? I would like to make an iso image of a bootable cd. But everything I can find about making and ISO image looks like it only copies files and folders to the iso. Please help thanks Mike M.. -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:06:19 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f177.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.177]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11042 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:06:20 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:05:49 -0800 Received: from 65.32.185.187 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:05:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.32.185.187] From: ". ." To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Getting of SLUG Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:05:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 14:05:49.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[39D3B590:01C1A4E0] Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi, I would like to get off of the SLUG mailing list,, how can I do it ? Ben. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 08:46:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA28691 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:46:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA28688 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:46:09 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA10972 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:46:10 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ca195782 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:48:08 -0500 Message-ID: <005a01c1a4dd$f4640d90$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <02012322452103.16265@gecko.hast.org> <02012400021003.01245@beavis.mjudge.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ham Radio Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:49:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does any know of any Ham radio xceivers hardware/software kits for the PC? From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 09:01:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28703 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:01:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA28700 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:01:48 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11025 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:01:49 -0500 Received: (qmail 19342 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 14:01:18 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 14:01:18 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:01:15 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:00:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <02012322583505.16265@gecko.hast.org> Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If you are talking about the .bin files then remember to make them executable and when in their directory,, ./ That will get things started for you. Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Chuck Hast Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:59 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta On Wednesday 16 January 2002 21:24 L, you wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2002 11:19, you wrote: > > ftp://www.anhonestdesire.com/pub > > the so* files. > > They will not be available past the weekend so get'em while they are > hot. > > Bill Finally got the file, I used Opera rather than Konquerer to pull it. That seemed to do it ok, for some reason Konquerer would fail the better way into the download. I am trying to remember how to open those files, I was thinking that you just ran them, but that does not seem to be working. -- Chuck Hast KP4DJT kp4djt@tampabay.rr.com To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 10:36:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA28882 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:36:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA28879 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:36:27 -0500 Received: from webmasters.com (64.90.181.66.nyinternet.net [64.90.181.66]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11369 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:36:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 6237 invoked by uid 48); 24 Jan 2002 15:39:17 -0000 Date: 24 Jan 2002 15:39:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20020124153917.6236.qmail@webmasters.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Making an ISO image of a bootabe cd. From: awyatt@bbsgamers.com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: 4Mail by WEBMASTERS.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=be64529c646cc88ce71533d16cfd29bc4 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is a MIME encoded message. --be64529c646cc88ce71533d16cfd29bc4 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dd if=/dev/hd(cdrom) of=/path/filename.iso -Andrew You Wrote: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:21:42 -0500 From: Mike Manchester To: slug Subject: [SLUG] Making an ISO image of a bootabe cd. Can this be done? I would like to make an iso image of a bootable cd. But everything I can find about making and ISO image looks like it only copies files and folders to the iso. Please help thanks Mike M.. -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:34:24 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11602 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:34:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0OGXrx01550 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:33:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:33:53 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] Making an ISO image of a bootabe cd. In-Reply-To: <3C500A66.7DBE5953@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Mike Manchester wrote: > Can this be done? I would like to make an iso image of a bootable cd. > But everything I can find about making and ISO image looks like it only > copies files and folders to the iso. man mkisofs There are a number of How-To's about making do-it-youself CD's updating the major distributions. I Googled: Bootable CD howto and found: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/RedHat-CD-HOWTO.html section 6.1 answers the question more formally The quick answer is that one makes a bootable image similar to the mkinitrd produced image, and point mkisofs at it during the CD image creation process. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 11:58:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA29051 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:58:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA29048 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:58:42 -0500 Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA11678 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:58:43 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 16:58:12 -0000 Message-ID: <3C503D81.1D8A4E4E@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:59:45 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Making an ISO image of a bootabe cd. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks I'll check that out. Mike M. R P Herrold wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Mike Manchester wrote: > > > Can this be done? I would like to make an iso image of a bootable cd. > > But everything I can find about making and ISO image looks like it only > > copies files and folders to the iso. > > man mkisofs > > There are a number of How-To's about making do-it-youself > CD's updating the major distributions. > > I Googled: Bootable CD howto and found: > > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/RedHat-CD-HOWTO.html section > 6.1 answers the question more formally > > The quick answer is that one makes a bootable image similar to > the mkinitrd produced image, and point mkisofs at it > during the CD image creation process. -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:47:12 -0500 Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA11865 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:47:13 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (216.202.125.224) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 17:46:41 -0000 Message-ID: <3C5048DE.CC7200A5@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:48:14 -0500 From: Mike Manchester X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Making an ISO image of a bootabe cd. References: <20020124153917.6236.qmail@webmasters.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks Andrew; This is what I was looking for a very simple way to create a bootable cd iso image. Mike M. awyatt@bbsgamers.com wrote: > > dd if=/dev/hd(cdrom) of=/path/filename.iso > > -Andrew > > You Wrote: > > Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:21:42 -0500 > From: Mike Manchester > To: slug > Subject: [SLUG] Making an ISO image of a bootabe cd. > > Can this be done? I would like to make an iso image of a bootable cd. > But everything I can find about making and ISO image looks like it only > copies files and folders to the iso. > Please help > thanks > Mike M.. > > -- > perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'< c496e657870225f636b6371202d49636f62737f6664702355736b637 > 12a0 > RM > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:55:08 -0500 Received: from web20405.mail.yahoo.com (web20405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.124]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA11892 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:55:09 -0500 Message-ID: <20020124175437.52528.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [131.247.11.77] by web20405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:54:37 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:54:37 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Keyes Subject: Re: [SLUG] Making an ISO image of a bootabe cd. To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If you have xcdroast, there is a point-and-click option to do this and many other things. Justin --- R P Herrold wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Mike Manchester wrote: > > > Can this be done? I would like to make an iso image of a bootable cd. > > But everything I can find about making and ISO image looks like it only > > copies files and folders to the iso. > > man mkisofs > > There are a number of How-To's about making do-it-youself > CD's updating the major distributions. > > I Googled: Bootable CD howto and found: > > http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/RedHat-CD-HOWTO.html section > 6.1 answers the question more formally > > The quick answer is that one makes a bootable image similar to > the mkinitrd produced image, and point mkisofs at it > during the CD image creation process. > > > ===== ________________ Justin Keyes m9u35@yahoo.com ________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 13:22:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA29179 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:22:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA29176 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:22:45 -0500 Received: from webmail.atlantic.net (webmail.atlantic.net [209.208.25.4]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12007 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:22:45 -0500 From: daufer@atlantic.net Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail.atlantic.net (8.11.6/8.9.3) id g0OIMA421432 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:22:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.atlantic.net: nobody set sender to daufer@atlantic.net using -f To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Getting of SLUG Message-ID: <1011896530.3c5050d286b9d@webmail.atlantic.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:22:10 -0500 (EST) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 155.201.35.52 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Be as obnoxious as possible, use profanity often and dis the president. That should work! Quoting ". ." : > > Hi, > I would like to get off of the SLUG mailing > list,, how can I do it ? > Ben. > > ________________________________________________________ _________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent through Atlantic.Net Webmail. Get a free self-installation kit and free activation when you order business DSL. Visit http://www.atlantic.net/htm_business/dedicated_dslisdn.html to learn more. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 13:42:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA29217 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:42:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA29214 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:42:46 -0500 Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12111 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:42:47 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.215.216.237.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.215.216.237] helo=Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16TopD-0007Rh-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:42:16 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: "Slug" Subject: [SLUG] Toner Cartridge for HP Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:38:43 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012413384300.01776@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have on2 (1) Toner Cartridge 92274A for HP Laser Jets 4L, 4ML, 4LC, 4P, 4MP, or 4PJ series printer which I will take to the next Dunedin meeting. Package has been opened but cartridge is new. If interest please so indicate so that I will know to take it to the meeting and not toss it. Thank Frank From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 13:52:56 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA29223 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:52:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA29220 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:52:55 -0500 Received: from bnfep03.boone.winstar.net (bnfep03w.boone.winstar.net [63.140.240.55]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12157 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:52:56 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([63.141.67.114]) by bnfep03.boone.winstar.net with ESMTP id <20020124185225.XSED454.bnfep03@dallas.utilpart.com> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:52:25 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:52:13 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A467@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Ham Radio Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:52:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug As to kits, no, but there are several PC card radios now available, down side is the interface is Windoz, but I believe the interface is available for someone to write a LINUX app to talk to the devices. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Grantham [mailto:pwgrant@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 08:50 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ham Radio Does any know of any Ham radio xceivers hardware/software kits for the PC? ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. 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Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 13:53:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA29228 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:53:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA29225 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:53:45 -0500 Received: from bnfep02.boone.winstar.net (bnfep02e.boone.winstar.net [63.140.240.54]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12162 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:53:46 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([63.141.67.114]) by bnfep02.boone.winstar.net with ESMTP id <20020124185315.LNQH16433.bnfep02@dallas.utilpart.com> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:53:15 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:53:03 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A468@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:52:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yes, I remembered that after I had sent the note, but when I tried to run them I got all kinds of CRC errors, so still no joy. -----Original Message----- From: Mikes work account [mailto:mrock@stewartsigns.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 09:01 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta If you are talking about the .bin files then remember to make them executable and when in their directory,, ./ That will get things started for you. Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Chuck Hast Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:59 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta On Wednesday 16 January 2002 21:24 L, you wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2002 11:19, you wrote: > > ftp://www.anhonestdesire.com/pub > > the so* files. > > They will not be available past the weekend so get'em while they are > hot. > > Bill Finally got the file, I used Opera rather than Konquerer to pull it. That seemed to do it ok, for some reason Konquerer would fail the better way into the download. I am trying to remember how to open those files, I was thinking that you just ran them, but that does not seem to be working. -- Chuck Hast KP4DJT kp4djt@tampabay.rr.com To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 14:21:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA29270 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:21:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA29267 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:21:55 -0500 Received: from femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.146]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12323 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:21:56 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020124192125.KIEO20153.femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:21:25 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:19:17 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201241419170Y.14451@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 24 January 2002 09:00, you wrote: > If you are talking about the .bin files then remember to make them > executable and when in their directory,, ./ > > That will get things started for you. > > Michael C. Rock > Thank you, Mike ... I just now read this and could not remember what I had to do to get them to run. I wonder if I have the installation file around here somewhere. I'll try to take a peek at that over the weekend. Yesterday I had a disturbing call from a survey firm that didn't bother to disclose that it was working for MSFT until I asked them directly. In the interests of my own legal behind, I will be pulling those files Sunday. I was thinking of leaving them up until Sun released the commercial version ... I think they are a great sales tool for SO6 ... but now I dasn't dare. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1295476 249876 0 290832 673696 Swap: 401584 5596 395988 Total: 1946936 1301072 645864 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 2:15pm up 35 days, 12:18, 4 users, load average: 1.03, 1.20, 1.34 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 15:23:27 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA29328 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:23:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA29325 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:23:26 -0500 Received: from bnfep04.boone.winstar.net (bnfep04e.boone.winstar.net [63.140.240.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12580 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:23:27 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([63.141.67.114]) by bnfep04.boone.winstar.net with ESMTP id <20020124202256.IJIX399.bnfep04@dallas.utilpart.com> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:22:56 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:22:44 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A46A@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:22:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Once I changed the permissions (as I should have from the get go...) the files would try to open, but looked like a dog with fleas with the number or CRC and other errors that popped up. All 3 of them had the blasted things. I assume that the errors were due to lost data in the trans- fer. Sure hope Sun gets it out soon. Ver 5 is such a mess with that awful desk top, seems to make it slow as molasses to. -----Original Message----- From: Bill [mailto:selinux@home.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 02:19 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta On Thursday 24 January 2002 09:00, you wrote: > If you are talking about the .bin files then remember to make them > executable and when in their directory,, ./ > > That will get things started for you. > > Michael C. Rock > Thank you, Mike ... I just now read this and could not remember what I had to do to get them to run. I wonder if I have the installation file around here somewhere. I'll try to take a peek at that over the weekend. Yesterday I had a disturbing call from a survey firm that didn't bother to disclose that it was working for MSFT until I asked them directly. In the interests of my own legal behind, I will be pulling those files Sunday. I was thinking of leaving them up until Sun released the commercial version ... I think they are a great sales tool for SO6 ... but now I dasn't dare. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1295476 249876 0 290832 673696 Swap: 401584 5596 395988 Total: 1946936 1301072 645864 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 2:15pm up 35 days, 12:18, 4 users, load average: 1.03, 1.20, 1.34 ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. 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Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 14:50:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA29312 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:50:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA29309 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:50:00 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA12442 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:50:01 -0500 Received: (qmail 28927 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 19:49:29 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 19:49:29 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:49:27 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:49:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A468@dallas.utilpart.com> Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug email me your mailing address, I have a copy of staroffice demo 6.0 that I got from one of the brothers in SLUG and I will forward it to you after I make a copy. Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of wchast@utilpart.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:53 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Yes, I remembered that after I had sent the note, but when I tried to run them I got all kinds of CRC errors, so still no joy. -----Original Message----- From: Mikes work account [mailto:mrock@stewartsigns.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 09:01 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta If you are talking about the .bin files then remember to make them executable and when in their directory,, ./ That will get things started for you. Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Chuck Hast Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:59 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta On Wednesday 16 January 2002 21:24 L, you wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2002 11:19, you wrote: > > ftp://www.anhonestdesire.com/pub > > the so* files. > > They will not be available past the weekend so get'em while they are > hot. > > Bill Finally got the file, I used Opera rather than Konquerer to pull it. That seemed to do it ok, for some reason Konquerer would fail the better way into the download. I am trying to remember how to open those files, I was thinking that you just ran them, but that does not seem to be working. -- Chuck Hast KP4DJT kp4djt@tampabay.rr.com To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 15:43:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA29341 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:43:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA29338 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:43:10 -0500 Received: from morpheus-ssn.nks.net (morpheus.nks.net [216.139.201.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12633 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:43:11 -0500 Received: from mta015.verizon.net (mta015pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.218]) by morpheus-ssn.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23173 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:42:40 -0500 Received: from there ([24.96.63.146]) by mta015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.02 201-253-122-122-102-20011128) with SMTP id <20020124204210.JYOT9120.mta015.verizon.net@there> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:42:10 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] 486 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:40:00 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020124204210.JYOT9120.mta015.verizon.net@there> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Anyone going to the Dunedin meeting that wants a case,mobo,processor(a few cards of modems I think) yell now and I will bring them to the Dunedin meeting. Have 2 and just dont want to haul them back and forth so if you have a use for one or both I will bring them just let me know AJ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8UHEhxz7sWGFN55sRAq8VAJwPDvABHJfcivfKiy6hLAa4foXeMwCfeYi1 4aGJ9xyzPsOPru2We7psS+Q= =7yzu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 17:07:42 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA29472 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:07:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA29469 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:07:42 -0500 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA13043 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:07:42 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 22:07:12 -0000 Message-ID: <3C50846B.8090301@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:02:19 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Getting of SLUG References: <1011896530.3c5050d286b9d@webmail.atlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug daufer@atlantic.net wrote: > Be as obnoxious as possible, use profanity often and > dis the president. That should work! > Well, yeah - but it'll throw you directly into the Politics list... *out of the frying pan, into the fryer...* Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 17:24:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA29508 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:24:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA29505 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:24:38 -0500 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13126 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:24:39 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.208.207.14.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.208.207.14] helo=Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16TsHj-0005Nh-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:23:55 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: "Slug" Subject: [SLUG] RH 7.2 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:20:26 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012417202600.01670@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does anyone have a copy of RH 7.2 that I may use at the Dunedin meeting. Thanks Frank From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 18:32:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA29593 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:32:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA29590 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:32:56 -0500 Received: from warspite.cnchost.com (warspite.concentric.net [207.155.248.9]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13371 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:32:57 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by warspite.cnchost.com id SAA20505; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:32:25 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16TtRg-0006m1-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:38:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:38:11 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: Slug List , Slug Politics Subject: [SLUG] Re: [SLUG-POL] Two recent email: Microsoft Partners: Help Us Help You Message-ID: <20020124183811.B20388@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , Slug List , Slug Politics References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from herrold@owlriver.com on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:26:33AM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:26:33AM -0500, Russ Herrold wrote: > Subject: Join the Microsoft Compliance Team > > BSA is offering a Grace Period in your city from Jan. 1, > 2002-Jan. 31, 2002. > > Microsoft invites you to join it in the fight against > software piracy by becoming a member of the Microsoft > Compliance Advisory Council. > Doesn't this pretty much prove that the BSA is just a front group for Microsoft? I guess when Microsoft's fortunes wane, they get even more rabid about piracy. They should concentrate on China and the Far East, where there's real serious piracy. BTW, anyone know how Xboxes are really selling? I've heard a lot of hype from gamers who really wanted them, but no hard data. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 17:57:17 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA29536 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:57:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA29533 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:57:17 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13236 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:57:17 -0500 Received: from 242819hfc14 (242819hfc14.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.19.14]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0OMukt14768 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:56:46 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] AMD processor Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:01:54 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012418015401.01252@242819hfc14> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does anyone who's going to the Dunedin meeting this weekend have an extra AMD K6-2 350? Stupid thermal grease wouldn't let go of the processor. I took a corner off the chip trying to pry it loose, taking 3 pins with it. Now, I can't find one anywhere - pricewatch doesn't even have any listed! I'll gladly fork over $20 if someone wants to bring one... :) Glen From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 17:58:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA29541 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:58:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA29538 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:58:01 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13263 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:58:02 -0500 Received: from 242819hfc14 (242819hfc14.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.19.14]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0OMvVX12191 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:57:31 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:02:39 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A46A@dallas.utilpart.com> In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A46A@dallas.utilpart.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012418023902.01252@242819hfc14> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm bringing a copy to Dunedin. He who wants it, bring a CD burner. Glen On Thursday 24 January 2002 15:22, you wrote: > Once I changed the permissions (as I should have from the > get go...) the files would try to open, but looked like > a dog with fleas with the number or CRC and other errors > that popped up. All 3 of them had the blasted things. I > assume that the errors were due to lost data in the trans- > fer. > > Sure hope Sun gets it out soon. Ver 5 is such a mess with > that awful desk top, seems to make it slow as molasses to. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill [mailto:selinux@home.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 02:19 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta > > On Thursday 24 January 2002 09:00, you wrote: > > If you are talking about the .bin files then remember to make them > > executable and when in their directory,, ./ > > > > That will get things started for you. > > > > Michael C. Rock > > Thank you, Mike ... I just now read this and could not remember what > I had to do to get them to run. I wonder if I have the installation > file around here somewhere. I'll try to take a peek at that over the > weekend. > > Yesterday I had a disturbing call from a survey firm that didn't > bother to disclose that it was working for MSFT until I asked them > directly. In the interests of my own legal behind, I will be pulling > those files Sunday. I was thinking of leaving them up until Sun > released the commercial version ... I think they are a great sales > tool for SO6 ... but now I dasn't dare. > > Bill From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 18:51:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA29617 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:51:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA29614 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:51:17 -0500 Received: from femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.22]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13412 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:51:18 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020124235042.EPYD29992.femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:50:42 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: [SLUG-POL] Two recent email: Microsoft Partners: Help Us Help You Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:48:37 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20020124183811.B20388@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20020124183811.B20388@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012418483719.14451@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 24 January 2002 18:38, you wrote: > Doesn't this pretty much prove that the BSA is just a front group > for Microsoft? There were doubts? > > I guess when Microsoft's fortunes wane, they get even more rabid > about piracy. They should concentrate on China and the Far East, > where there's real serious piracy. It's a little tougher sell over there, since some of those countries, such as Malaysia, don't recognize the legal concept of "copyright". You'll recall, perhaps, that Australia didn't buy off on RSA's copyrights to the SSL code. > > BTW, anyone know how Xboxes are really selling? I've heard a lot of > hype from gamers who really wanted them, but no hard data. > > Paul No. What I want are hard numbers on Linux adoption on the desktop. Bill -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1297260 248092 0 290888 673752 Swap: 401584 5596 395988 Total: 1946936 1302856 644080 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 6:44pm up 35 days, 16:47, 4 users, load average: 1.26, 1.23, 1.14 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 18:28:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA29587 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:28:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA29584 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:28:08 -0500 Received: from ajax.cnchost.com (ajax.cnchost.com [207.155.248.31]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13365 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:28:09 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by ajax.cnchost.com id SAA28842; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:27:36 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16TtN7-0006lX-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:33:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:33:07 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Getting of SLUG Message-ID: <20020124183307.A20388@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <1011896530.3c5050d286b9d@webmail.atlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1011896530.3c5050d286b9d@webmail.atlantic.net>; from daufer@atlantic.net on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:22:10PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:22:10PM -0500, daufer@atlantic.net wrote: > Be as obnoxious as possible, use profanity often and > dis the president. That should work! > > Quoting ". ." : > > > > > Hi, > > I would like to get off of the SLUG mailing > > list,, how can I do it ? > > Ben. > > > > Especially the "dis the president" part! ;-} Paul From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 19:39:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA29694 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:39:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA29691 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:39:10 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13555 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:39:11 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc03.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.3]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0P0cet00749 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:38:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C50A9A3.2040000@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:41:07 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Getting of SLUG References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug It's a do-it-yourself project as per the Slug Web site: http://www.suncoastlug.org/lists.html#instructions Send an email to: majordomo@nks.net In the body of the email, give the following command: unsubscribe Or execute this command: echo unsubscribe | mail majordomo@nks.net Ed. . . wrote: > > Hi, > I would like to get off of the SLUG mailing list,, how can I do it ? > Ben. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 21:10:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA29739 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:10:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA29736 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:10:00 -0500 Received: from thunderer.cnchost.com (thunderer.concentric.net [207.155.252.72]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13777 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:10:01 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by thunderer.cnchost.com id VAA08762; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:09:30 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16Tvtn-0006yZ-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:15:27 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:15:22 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Getting of SLUG Message-ID: <20020124211522.A26751@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <3C50A9A3.2040000@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C50A9A3.2040000@tampabay.rr.com>; from ecentan1@tampabay.rr.com on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 07:41:07PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > . . wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > I would like to get off of the SLUG mailing list,, how can I do it ? > > Ben. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 07:41:07PM -0500, Ed Centanni wrote: > It's a do-it-yourself project as per the Slug Web site: > http://www.suncoastlug.org/lists.html#instructions > FWIW, I had already uns*bbed him. One would assume that if one wanted to uns*b, one would go to the website, click on the button that says "Lists", which is on the top of every page, thereby arriving at the Lists page, and follow the instructions. If someone sends an uns*b query _to the SLUG list_, I assume they couldn't get that far. In that case, it's simpler to just handle them manually myself, rather than trying to explain it all. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 24 21:43:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA29759 for slug-track29; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:43:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA29756 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:43:43 -0500 Received: from femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13844 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:43:44 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([24.181.228.31]) by femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020125024303.MPLH19569.femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:43:03 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Getting of SLUG Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:40:57 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C50A9A3.2040000@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3C50A9A3.2040000@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201242140571A.14451@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 24 January 2002 19:41, you wrote: > It's a do-it-yourself project as per the Slug Web site: > http://www.suncoastlug.org/lists.html#instructions Yeah ... but it's more fun the other way :-) -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1290040 255312 0 290896 673956 Swap: 401584 5596 395988 Total: 1946936 1295636 651300 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 9:40pm up 35 days, 19:43, 4 users, load average: 1.42, 1.74, 1.78 From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 01:34:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA29958 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:34:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA29955 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:34:52 -0500 Received: from web11008.mail.yahoo.com (web11008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA14383 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:34:52 -0500 Message-ID: <20020125063422.98679.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.32.69.64] by web11008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:34:22 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:34:22 -0800 (PST) From: Norbert Cartagena Subject: [SLUG] Help with tar & FTP To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ok, I think I really did it this time. I was backing up some info from my laptop to my tower. So, I made a .tgz of my home directory and shot it over to my tower via FTP (the actual command line FTP command). I later retrieved it (with gftp) and tried to open it. Here's what I got (synopsys): tar xvzf omar.tgz unpacking... dir/dir2/ dir/dir2/file dir/dir3/ dir/file.tgz **Error, unexpected EOF** So, it's *starting* to unpack, but it hits an End of File right at the begining. Any hints as to what it might be? I'm affraid that for some reason the file was sent as ASCII (there was a warning of that at the FTP prompt but it didn't make any sense to me). If that's the case, is there any way to salvage it? The file's just over 1gig (as I said, my /home). Thanks for any help. Gnorb ===== If it were not for the last minute, nothing would get done. -Anonymous __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 01:44:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA29970 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:44:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA29965 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:44:52 -0500 Received: from cyberduct.paknam.ac.th (dialup164.net42.samart.co.th [203.149.42.164]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14395; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:44:50 -0500 Received: from there (palo.paknam.ac.th [192.168.168.1]) by cyberduct.paknam.ac.th (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA10711; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:44:05 +0700 Message-Id: <200201250644.NAA10711@cyberduct.paknam.ac.th> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Neil Kittipalo Organization: Wat Paknam Bhasicharoen To: slug@nks.net, Paul M Foster , Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: [SLUG-POL] Two recent email: Microsoft Partners: Help Us Help You Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:44:04 +0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <20020124183811.B20388@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20020124183811.B20388@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > I guess when Microsoft's fortunes wane, they get even more rabid about > piracy. They should concentrate on China and the Far East, where there's > real serious piracy. > I've lived in Bangkok for a long time - well, since before PCs. It's true you can go round to various computer centres and buy all the software you want for a few dollars a CD. However, the figures you have bandied about by the super rich of the painful loses they experience must be taken with a bag of rock salt. Consider. The income of people in Thailand is a fraction of what it is in America yet Microsoft and others sell their lousy software here for far more than it is sold for in America. Most people couldn't even afford the real stuff. Would you pay 3 months salary for an Office suite? So only a few of the cheap CDs represent missed sales. Neil -- 1:17pm up 368 days, 18:38, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.02, 0.00 From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 08:30:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA30391 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:30:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA30388 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:30:00 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA15667 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:30:01 -0500 Received: (qmail 9675 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 13:29:31 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 13:29:31 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:29:29 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Getting of SLUG Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:29:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3C50A9A3.2040000@tampabay.rr.com> Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Everyone is just too funny these days,, thanks, I needed the laugh this morning. Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Ed Centanni Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 7:41 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Getting of SLUG It's a do-it-yourself project as per the Slug Web site: http://www.suncoastlug.org/lists.html#instructions Send an email to: majordomo@nks.net In the body of the email, give the following command: unsubscribe Or execute this command: echo unsubscribe | mail majordomo@nks.net Ed. .. . wrote: > > Hi, > I would like to get off of the SLUG mailing list,, how can I do it ? > Ben. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 08:41:16 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA30405 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:41:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA30402 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:41:15 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA15695 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:41:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 16159 invoked by uid 508); 25 Jan 2002 13:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (24.164.21.236) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 13:40:41 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=jcopenha) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16U6aP-0001wn-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:40:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:40:08 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help with tar & FTP In-Reply-To: <20020125063422.98679.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug yeah.. if you ftped it as ASCII then I'm afraid your out of luck.. when you do that FTP will strip certain chars out I beleive.. Or maybe it adds them.. I can't reember.. but.. in any case.. it is not good to transfer binary files with out doing the 'bin' command first in the ftp session.. Jason On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Ok, I think I really did it this time. I was backing > up some info from my laptop to my tower. So, I made a > .tgz of my home directory and shot it over to my tower > via FTP (the actual command line FTP command). I later > retrieved it (with gftp) and tried to open it. Here's > what I got (synopsys): > > tar xvzf omar.tgz > > unpacking... > dir/dir2/ > dir/dir2/file > dir/dir3/ > dir/file.tgz > > **Error, unexpected EOF** > > So, it's *starting* to unpack, but it hits an End of > File right at the begining. Any hints as to what it > might be? I'm affraid that for some reason the file > was sent as ASCII (there was a warning of that at the > FTP prompt but it didn't make any sense to me). If > that's the case, is there any way to salvage it? The > file's just over 1gig (as I said, my /home). > > Thanks for any help. > > Gnorb > > ===== > If it were not for the last minute, nothing would get done. > > -Anonymous > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 09:39:42 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA30444 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:39:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA30441 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:39:41 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA15849 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:39:42 -0500 Received: (qmail 2771 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 14:39:12 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 14:39:12 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:39:08 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Help with tar & FTP--Whats this bin thing? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:38:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Say again,, What is this bin command thing. Is that why the StarOffice files were .bin files,, so they could be ftp'd easily? Darn another thing to learn,,, will it ever end? I transfer files regularly with ftp without using the bin command, and they seem to do just fine. Have I been just lucky? Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Jason Copenhaver Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 8:40 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help with tar & FTP yeah.. if you ftped it as ASCII then I'm afraid your out of luck.. when you do that FTP will strip certain chars out I beleive.. Or maybe it adds them.. I can't reember.. but.. in any case.. it is not good to transfer binary files with out doing the 'bin' command first in the ftp session.. Jason On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Ok, I think I really did it this time. I was backing > up some info from my laptop to my tower. So, I made a > .tgz of my home directory and shot it over to my tower > via FTP (the actual command line FTP command). I later > retrieved it (with gftp) and tried to open it. Here's > what I got (synopsys): > > tar xvzf omar.tgz > > unpacking... > dir/dir2/ > dir/dir2/file > dir/dir3/ > dir/file.tgz > > **Error, unexpected EOF** > > So, it's *starting* to unpack, but it hits an End of > File right at the begining. Any hints as to what it > might be? I'm affraid that for some reason the file > was sent as ASCII (there was a warning of that at the > FTP prompt but it didn't make any sense to me). If > that's the case, is there any way to salvage it? The > file's just over 1gig (as I said, my /home). > > Thanks for any help. > > Gnorb > > ===== > If it were not for the last minute, nothing would get done. > > -Anonymous > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 09:44:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA30455 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:44:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA30452 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:44:41 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA15866 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:44:42 -0500 Received: (qmail 4808 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 14:44:12 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 14:44:12 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:44:10 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Help with tar & FTP Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:43:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ignore that last post,, I just reread you last email and yes I use the 'binary' command when transferring file. I thought something new had just popped up that I was unaware of,,, that could be most anything these days,, Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Jason Copenhaver Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 8:40 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help with tar & FTP yeah.. if you ftped it as ASCII then I'm afraid your out of luck.. when you do that FTP will strip certain chars out I beleive.. Or maybe it adds them.. I can't reember.. but.. in any case.. it is not good to transfer binary files with out doing the 'bin' command first in the ftp session.. Jason On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Ok, I think I really did it this time. I was backing > up some info from my laptop to my tower. So, I made a > .tgz of my home directory and shot it over to my tower > via FTP (the actual command line FTP command). I later > retrieved it (with gftp) and tried to open it. Here's > what I got (synopsys): > > tar xvzf omar.tgz > > unpacking... > dir/dir2/ > dir/dir2/file > dir/dir3/ > dir/file.tgz > > **Error, unexpected EOF** > > So, it's *starting* to unpack, but it hits an End of > File right at the begining. Any hints as to what it > might be? I'm affraid that for some reason the file > was sent as ASCII (there was a warning of that at the > FTP prompt but it didn't make any sense to me). If > that's the case, is there any way to salvage it? The > file's just over 1gig (as I said, my /home). > > Thanks for any help. > > Gnorb > > ===== > If it were not for the last minute, nothing would get done. > > -Anonymous > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 10:10:04 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA30475 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:10:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA30472 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:10:04 -0500 Received: from web11008.mail.yahoo.com (web11008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA15938 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:10:05 -0500 Message-ID: <20020125150934.51291.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.164.40.219] by web11008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:09:34 PST Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:09:34 -0800 (PST) From: Norbert Cartagena Subject: [SLUG] Chopping up a file... To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug There had been a tool mentioned before (I think either Ed or Derrek mentioned it) which takes a file and breaks it into smalled pieces. Can someone remind me as to what that tool is? Thanks. Gnorb ===== If it were not for the last minute, nothing would get done. -Anonymous __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 10:34:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA30515 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:34:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA30512 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:34:40 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16048 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:34:41 -0500 Received: (qmail 31458 invoked by uid 508); 25 Jan 2002 15:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (24.164.21.236) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 15:34:06 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=jcopenha) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16U8MB-0001xt-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:33:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:33:34 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Help with tar & FTP--Whats this bin thing? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug It all depends on what ftp server and ftp client you have.. I've used ftp clients that have automatically set the BINARY transfer mode on.. at the ftp prompt just type BIN and it will set the transfer mode correct.. otherwise you will have problems with transfered files.. I think some ftp servers automatically set the bin mode also.. The StarOffice files were .bin just to let you know they were binary files.. not ascii files.. On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Mikes work account wrote: > Say again,, > What is this bin command thing. Is that why the StarOffice files were .bin > files,, so they could be ftp'd easily? > > Darn another thing to learn,,, will it ever end? I transfer files regularly > with ftp without using the bin command, and they seem to do just fine. Have > I been just lucky? > > Michael C. Rock > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Jason > Copenhaver > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 8:40 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help with tar & FTP > > > yeah.. if you ftped it as ASCII then I'm afraid your out of luck.. when > you do that FTP will strip certain chars out I beleive.. Or maybe it adds > them.. I can't reember.. but.. in any case.. it is not good to transfer > binary files with out doing the 'bin' command first in the ftp session.. > > Jason > > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > Ok, I think I really did it this time. I was backing > > up some info from my laptop to my tower. So, I made a > > .tgz of my home directory and shot it over to my tower > > via FTP (the actual command line FTP command). I later > > retrieved it (with gftp) and tried to open it. Here's > > what I got (synopsys): > > > > tar xvzf omar.tgz > > > > unpacking... > > dir/dir2/ > > dir/dir2/file > > dir/dir3/ > > dir/file.tgz > > > > **Error, unexpected EOF** > > > > So, it's *starting* to unpack, but it hits an End of > > File right at the begining. Any hints as to what it > > might be? I'm affraid that for some reason the file > > was sent as ASCII (there was a warning of that at the > > FTP prompt but it didn't make any sense to me). If > > that's the case, is there any way to salvage it? The > > file's just over 1gig (as I said, my /home). > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > Gnorb > > > > ===== > > If it were not for the last minute, nothing would get done. > > > > -Anonymous > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 11:45:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA30588 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:45:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA30585 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:45:27 -0500 Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16256 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:45:28 -0500 Received: from 2416440hfc219.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (24.164.40.219) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 16:44:57 -0000 Message-ID: <3C51453D.7040408@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:45:01 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help with tar & FTP--Whats this bin thing? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Jason Copenhaver wrote: >It all depends on what ftp server and ftp client you have.. I've used ftp >clients that have automatically set the BINARY transfer mode on.. at the >ftp prompt just type BIN and it will set the transfer mode correct.. >otherwise you will have problems with transfered files.. I think some ftp >servers automatically set the bin mode also.. > Well, the program I used was "FTP," as in [prompt@here] ftp 192.168.1.1 Any hints? P.S. This is the exact message I'm getting: [omar@localhost omar]$ tar xvzf omar.tgz omar/ omar/AS/ omar/AS/folder/ omar/AS/testing/ omar/AS/testing/LC-test/ omar/AS/oeone.tgz gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated tar: Unexpected EOF in archive tar: Unexpected EOF in archive tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now I've tried uising the tar options to skip over certain files (like the entire AS folder), but to no avail. Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 12:11:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA30618 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:11:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30615 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:11:00 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16350 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:11:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0PHATx15708 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:10:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:10:29 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Getting of SLUG In-Reply-To: <20020124211522.A26751@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Paul M Foster wrote: > website, click on the button that says "Lists", which is on the top of > every page, thereby arriving at the Lists page, and follow the > instructions. If someone sends an uns*b query _to the SLUG list_, I > assume they couldn't get that far. In that case, it's simpler to just > handle them manually myself, rather than trying to explain it all. grin ... Paul and I have discussed this offlist, for some time -- sometimes it is easier just to DO the unsub, than explain how -- the questioners are generally clueless -- the questioners are using a mail client which obscures headers -- the questioners will not read instructions anyway This is because the clueful _are_ clueful, and don't have any problems. ... I think MailMan is a neat solution for newly created mailing lists. GPL, web based interface from the get go, easy to configure -- 4 file edits, a 'newaliases', and it's working, after the first time setup. Then the rest is web-based. -- Russ Herrold From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 12:17:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA30628 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:17:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30625 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:17:12 -0500 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16373 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:17:14 -0500 Received: from user-33qtsfn.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.241.247] helo=micro.hef) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16U9xz-0000K5-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:16:43 -0500 Received: (qmail 4821 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 17:30:10 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO mindspring.com) (133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 17:30:10 -0000 Message-ID: <3C527892.3FF137AC@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 04:36:18 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Chopping up a file... References: <20020125150934.51291.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Norbert Cartagena wrote: > There had been a tool mentioned before (I think either > Ed or Derrek mentioned it) which takes a file and > breaks it into smalled pieces. Can someone remind me > as to what that tool is? Thanks. I think that "split" and "csplit" will both accomplish this, but csplit is more powerful. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 12:38:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA30651 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:38:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30648 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:38:57 -0500 Received: from bnfep02.boone.winstar.net (bnfep02e.boone.winstar.net [63.140.240.54]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16449 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:38:58 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([63.141.67.114]) by bnfep02.boone.winstar.net with ESMTP id <20020125173828.PSYU16433.bnfep02@dallas.utilpart.com> for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:38:28 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:38:14 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A46E@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:38:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is my home address kp4djt@tampabay.rr.com My work address is wchast@utilpart.com I tried to pull down all 3 files but all of them had CRC errors in them sure am not sure why... -----Original Message----- From: Mikes work account [mailto:mrock@stewartsigns.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 02:49 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta email me your mailing address, I have a copy of staroffice demo 6.0 that I got from one of the brothers in SLUG and I will forward it to you after I make a copy. Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of wchast@utilpart.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:53 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Yes, I remembered that after I had sent the note, but when I tried to run them I got all kinds of CRC errors, so still no joy. -----Original Message----- From: Mikes work account [mailto:mrock@stewartsigns.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 09:01 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta If you are talking about the .bin files then remember to make them executable and when in their directory,, ./ That will get things started for you. Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Chuck Hast Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:59 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta On Wednesday 16 January 2002 21:24 L, you wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2002 11:19, you wrote: > > ftp://www.anhonestdesire.com/pub > > the so* files. > > They will not be available past the weekend so get'em while they are > hot. > > Bill Finally got the file, I used Opera rather than Konquerer to pull it. That seemed to do it ok, for some reason Konquerer would fail the better way into the download. I am trying to remember how to open those files, I was thinking that you just ran them, but that does not seem to be working. -- Chuck Hast KP4DJT kp4djt@tampabay.rr.com To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. 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Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 12:40:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA30656 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:40:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30653 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:40:21 -0500 Received: from bnfep02.boone.winstar.net (bnfep02e.boone.winstar.net [63.140.240.54]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16454 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:40:22 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([63.141.67.114]) by bnfep02.boone.winstar.net with ESMTP id <20020125173952.PTXA16433.bnfep02@dallas.utilpart.com> for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:39:52 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:39:38 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A46F@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:39:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Sorry, I was not able to make the Dunedin meeting. I can usually make the Brandon meetings. I had to do some emergency yard work yesterday so that totally blew things out of the water. -----Original Message----- From: Glen [mailto:gurensan@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 06:03 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta I'm bringing a copy to Dunedin. He who wants it, bring a CD burner. Glen On Thursday 24 January 2002 15:22, you wrote: > Once I changed the permissions (as I should have from the > get go...) the files would try to open, but looked like > a dog with fleas with the number or CRC and other errors > that popped up. All 3 of them had the blasted things. I > assume that the errors were due to lost data in the trans- > fer. > > Sure hope Sun gets it out soon. Ver 5 is such a mess with > that awful desk top, seems to make it slow as molasses to. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill [mailto:selinux@home.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 02:19 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta > > On Thursday 24 January 2002 09:00, you wrote: > > If you are talking about the .bin files then remember to make them > > executable and when in their directory,, ./ > > > > That will get things started for you. > > > > Michael C. Rock > > Thank you, Mike ... I just now read this and could not remember what > I had to do to get them to run. I wonder if I have the installation > file around here somewhere. I'll try to take a peek at that over the > weekend. > > Yesterday I had a disturbing call from a survey firm that didn't > bother to disclose that it was working for MSFT until I asked them > directly. In the interests of my own legal behind, I will be pulling > those files Sunday. I was thinking of leaving them up until Sun > released the commercial version ... I think they are a great sales > tool for SO6 ... but now I dasn't dare. > > Bill ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 12:52:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA30691 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:52:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30688 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:52:07 -0500 Received: from bnfep04.boone.winstar.net (bnfep04e.boone.winstar.net [63.140.240.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16517 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:52:08 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([63.141.67.114]) by bnfep04.boone.winstar.net with ESMTP id <20020125175138.IPOQ399.bnfep04@dallas.utilpart.com> for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:51:38 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:51:24 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A470@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Toner Cartridge for HP Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:51:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Did someone already snap it up? if not I can use it. Of course I did not get to the Dunedin meeting but should be at the next Brandon meeting or can meet you somewhere and pick it up. -----Original Message----- From: Frank Roberts - SOTL [mailto:sotl155360@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 01:39 PM To: Slug Subject: [SLUG] Toner Cartridge for HP I have on2 (1) Toner Cartridge 92274A for HP Laser Jets 4L, 4ML, 4LC, 4P, 4MP, or 4PJ series printer which I will take to the next Dunedin meeting. Package has been opened but cartridge is new. If interest please so indicate so that I will know to take it to the meeting and not toss it. Thank Frank ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. 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Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 12:49:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA30671 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:49:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30668 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:49:34 -0500 Received: from m22.jersey.juno.com (m22.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.85]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16486 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:49:35 -0500 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"kuprwhEVKhR/+02AF+sDxi0K+iCZ84HDKY1FRIYJXHAv//tfxsGgdA=="> Received: (from rsouto@juno.com) by m22.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GRZ289SP; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:48:10 EST To: slug@nks.net Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:47:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Chopping up a file... Message-ID: <20020125.124754.-95444085.0.rsouto@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-8,10-26 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: ramiro souto Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Norb: You are referring to: THE SMALLED CHOPPER It slices, it dices, it even grows hair on your chest! And if you get it now RONCO will give you free the miniature file slicer, yes sir designed for those wini mini files. OK, I'm out of material. Ramiro ; ) On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:09:34 -0800 (PST) Norbert Cartagena writes: > There had been a tool mentioned before (I think either > Ed or Derrek mentioned it) which takes a file and > breaks it into smalled pieces. Can someone remind me > as to what that tool is? Thanks. > > Gnorb > > ===== > If it were not for the last minute, nothing would get done. > > -Anonymous > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 13:31:42 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA30942 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:31:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA30939 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:31:42 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA16836 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:31:43 -0500 Received: (qmail 29004 invoked by uid 508); 25 Jan 2002 18:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (24.164.21.236) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 18:30:57 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=jcopenha) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16UB7K-00020C-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:30:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:30:26 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help with tar & FTP--Whats this bin thing? In-Reply-To: <3C51453D.7040408@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > Jason Copenhaver wrote: > > >It all depends on what ftp server and ftp client you have.. I've used ftp > Well, the program I used was "FTP," as in > > [prompt@here] ftp 192.168.1.1 > yeah.. do ftp 192.168.1.1 ftp> BIN 200 Type set to I. or something similar.. then try transfering the file again From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 13:38:27 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA31035 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:38:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA31032 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:38:26 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16923 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:38:26 -0500 Received: from 242819hfc249 (242819hfc249.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.19.249]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0PIbtX06972 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:37:55 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:43:06 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A46F@dallas.utilpart.com> In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A46F@dallas.utilpart.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012513430600.01448@242819hfc249> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Uh... the dunedin meeting is tomorrow, Saturday. Dunedin public library, over there on douglas right next to the big ol' blue jay thing. You thinkin' of tampa? (I don't go there -- too hard). Glen On Friday 25 January 2002 12:39, you wrote: > Sorry, I was not able to make the Dunedin meeting. I > can usually make the Brandon meetings. I had to do some > emergency yard work yesterday so that totally blew things > out of the water. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Glen [mailto:gurensan@tampabay.rr.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 06:03 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta > > > > I'm bringing a copy to Dunedin. He who wants it, bring a CD burner. > > Glen > > On Thursday 24 January 2002 15:22, you wrote: > > Once I changed the permissions (as I should have from the > > get go...) the files would try to open, but looked like > > a dog with fleas with the number or CRC and other errors > > that popped up. All 3 of them had the blasted things. I > > assume that the errors were due to lost data in the trans- > > fer. > > > > Sure hope Sun gets it out soon. Ver 5 is such a mess with > > that awful desk top, seems to make it slow as molasses to. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill [mailto:selinux@home.com] > > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 02:19 PM > > To: slug@nks.net > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta > > > > On Thursday 24 January 2002 09:00, you wrote: > > > If you are talking about the .bin files then remember to make them > > > executable and when in their directory,, ./ > > > > > > That will get things started for you. > > > > > > Michael C. Rock > > > > Thank you, Mike ... I just now read this and could not remember what > > I had to do to get them to run. I wonder if I have the installation > > file around here somewhere. I'll try to take a peek at that over the > > weekend. > > > > Yesterday I had a disturbing call from a survey firm that didn't > > bother to disclose that it was working for MSFT until I asked them > > directly. In the interests of my own legal behind, I will be pulling > > those files Sunday. I was thinking of leaving them up until Sun > > released the commercial version ... I think they are a great sales > > tool for SO6 ... but now I dasn't dare. > > > > Bill > > ***************************************************************** > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is > addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify > the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and > remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions > and other information in this message that do not relate to the official > business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor > endorsed by it. > > Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com > ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 14:05:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA31214 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:05:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA31211 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:05:00 -0500 Received: from jeremybowers.com (adsl-63-192-100-162.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net [63.192.100.162]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17168 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:04:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (ferret@localhost) by jeremybowers.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0PJ02J27600 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:00:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: jeremybowers.com: ferret owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bowers X-X-Sender: ferret@jeremybowers.com To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A46F@dallas.utilpart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If you MUST have this file, I can share. Accepting anonymous connections @ ftp://jeremybowers.com/pub be gentle, Jeremy -- This message courtesy of PINE! It's the fresh scent, not the graphics. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 14:45:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA31580 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:45:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA31577 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:45:13 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA17591 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:45:14 -0500 Received: (qmail 17788 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 19:44:43 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 19:44:43 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([4.23.107.97]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:44:42 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:44:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A46E@dallas.utilpart.com> Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If I am going to 'snail mail' them to you I need your snail address. I have all three binaries burned on a CD. Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of wchast@utilpart.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:38 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta This is my home address kp4djt@tampabay.rr.com My work address is wchast@utilpart.com I tried to pull down all 3 files but all of them had CRC errors in them sure am not sure why... -----Original Message----- From: Mikes work account [mailto:mrock@stewartsigns.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 02:49 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta email me your mailing address, I have a copy of staroffice demo 6.0 that I got from one of the brothers in SLUG and I will forward it to you after I make a copy. Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of wchast@utilpart.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:53 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Yes, I remembered that after I had sent the note, but when I tried to run them I got all kinds of CRC errors, so still no joy. -----Original Message----- From: Mikes work account [mailto:mrock@stewartsigns.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 09:01 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta If you are talking about the .bin files then remember to make them executable and when in their directory,, ./ That will get things started for you. Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Chuck Hast Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:59 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta On Wednesday 16 January 2002 21:24 L, you wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2002 11:19, you wrote: > > ftp://www.anhonestdesire.com/pub > > the so* files. > > They will not be available past the weekend so get'em while they are > hot. > > Bill Finally got the file, I used Opera rather than Konquerer to pull it. That seemed to do it ok, for some reason Konquerer would fail the better way into the download. I am trying to remember how to open those files, I was thinking that you just ran them, but that does not seem to be working. -- Chuck Hast KP4DJT kp4djt@tampabay.rr.com To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. 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Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 14:06:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA31228 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:06:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA31225 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:06:29 -0500 Received: from zorak.illusionary.lan (653231hfc40.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.31.40]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17211 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:06:30 -0500 Received: from yog-sothoth (yog-sothoth [192.168.10.9]) by zorak.illusionary.lan (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA01727 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:05:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xbox From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20020124183811.B20388@quillandmouse.com> References: <20020124183811.B20388@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 25 Jan 2002 14:06:00 -0500 Message-Id: <1011985560.1186.43.camel@yog-sothoth> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2002-01-24 at 18:38, Paul M Foster wrote: > BTW, anyone know how Xboxes are really selling? I've heard a lot of hype > from gamers who really wanted them, but no hard data. The only hard data I've heard is that they are having abnormally large percentages of failed units, customer service to get them replaced sucks, they tend to crash a lot, have few games gamers are actually interested in, (and had to buy a game company - Bungie - just to get the few games that people ARE interested in) and even though the Xbox is brand new and the PS2 is a year old, the PS2 still way outsold Xbox for the christmas holiday this past season both in terms of consoles and games. (I can't find the article in which I read that last factoid, but the PS2 outsold the Xbox in the many hundreds of thousands of units, IIRC, and the Xbox only just outsold the Gamecube.) Just walking around the stores this past holiday season I heard any number of people saying things like "Yeah, I'll wait for that to come out on PS2. I don't want an Xbox." or "Buy the PS2, it's got better games than the Xbox." NOBODY was impressed with the Xbox, plus Sony was marketing the HELL out of PS2 in all the stores I was in. I'm not impressed with the numbers or the reports "from the field." I think the only thing that could conceivably "save" the Xbox for Microsoft is that they've discontinued _both_ their WebTV and UltimateTV divisions and moved the engineers over to the Xbox division. Clearly, and as predicted, Microsoft is planning to take the Xbox beyond just a gaming console and want to make it a full-fledged "set-top media box" type of thing with gaming, 'net connectivity and "TiVo"-like capabilities all wrapped into one unit. (Buy an Xbox. Then buy games to play games, buy the "WebTV" DVD-ROM to use it as an MSN (of course) client, buy the "UltimateTV" DVD-ROM to record your TV shows, etc...) Except that I don't quite see how to successfully combine all those technologies - you CAN'T make it a "TiVo-alike" *and* a gaming console. You CAN'T have your 12-yr-old rebooting it while it's recording the new "Friends" just because he wants to play "Kickboxer 12". You CAN'T reboot to load the MSN client so you can check your email while it's recording "Farscape". You *could* use it to play games now, then reboot to your 'net client later, but the Dreamcast has done that for years now and it's WAY cheaper and works with ANY ISP. (In fact, hasn't the PS2 had a web browser too?) But more importantly, nobody cared if it could do that. People don't seem to want a game console that can browse the Web. Nobody cares if your games console can read email, and it just doesn't work to combine something that needs to be on all the time (TiVo) with something that traditionally gets rebooted a dozen times during a play session (console). You'd have to buy multiple units - one for each functionality. Which I don't think people will want to do and totally defeats the purpose of having one piece of hardware being/doing all things in the first place. Frankly, I think Microsoft put their foot in it yet again by trying to come up with something that will "do everything" and winding up with something that sort of does everything, but none of it particularly well enough nor compelling enough to have people use it. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 17:11:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA32587 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:11:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA32584 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:11:53 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18707 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:11:54 -0500 Received: from gecko.hast.org (653276hfc132.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.76.132]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0PMBMX03735 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:11:22 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:30:44 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A46F@dallas.utilpart.com> <02012513430600.01448@242819hfc249> In-Reply-To: <02012513430600.01448@242819hfc249> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012517304407.16265@gecko.hast.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Friday 25 January 2002 13:43 L, you wrote: > Uh... the dunedin meeting is tomorrow, Saturday. Dunedin public library, > over there on douglas right next to the big ol' blue jay thing. > > You thinkin' of tampa? (I don't go there -- too hard). > ------------ Excess letters removed -------------- No, I live in Palm River just 5 miles east of downtown Tampa, so for me Dunedin is a major trip, particularly on Saturday, and since I have visitors coming this weekend that makes it even worse..... -- Chuck Hast KP4DJT kp4djt@tampabay.rr.com To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 17:56:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA32635 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:56:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA32632 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:56:14 -0500 Received: from rodney.cnchost.com (rodney.concentric.net [207.155.252.4]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18817 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:56:15 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by rodney.cnchost.com id RAA02324; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:55:44 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16UFLy-0000Fy-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:01:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:01:26 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xbox Message-ID: <20020125180126.A30545@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <20020124183811.B20388@quillandmouse.com> <1011985560.1186.43.camel@yog-sothoth> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1011985560.1186.43.camel@yog-sothoth>; from dglidden@illusionary.com on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 02:06:00PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 02:06:00PM -0500, Derek Glidden wrote: > On Thu, 2002-01-24 at 18:38, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > BTW, anyone know how Xboxes are really selling? I've heard a lot of hype > > from gamers who really wanted them, but no hard data. > > I'm not impressed with the numbers or the reports "from the field." I > think the only thing that could conceivably "save" the Xbox for > Microsoft is that they've discontinued _both_ their WebTV and UltimateTV > divisions and moved the engineers over to the Xbox division. Really? I've heard that they're recently resurrecting their UltimateTV thing again, after a long dormancy. > Frankly, I think Microsoft put their foot in it yet again by trying to > come up with something that will "do everything" and winding up with > something that sort of does everything, but none of it particularly well > enough nor compelling enough to have people use it. Maybe, but Microsoft has the money to wait it out, while they continue to hype it. Eventually.... Paul From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 19:12:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA00431 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:12:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA00428 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:12:29 -0500 Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA19074 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:12:30 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 00:11:58 -0000 Message-ID: <3C51AE39.7080100@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:12:57 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help with tar & FTP--Whats this bin thing? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > >yeah.. do >ftp 192.168.1.1 >ftp> BIN > >200 Type set to I. > >or something similar.. then try transfering the file again > > Actually that's the problem - the file was already sent, the original erased. Guess it's prety much doomed..... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 19:26:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA00444 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:26:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA00441 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:26:42 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA19097 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:26:38 -0500 Received: (qmail 20129 invoked by uid 508); 26 Jan 2002 00:26:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (24.164.21.236) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 00:26:04 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.29] (helo=[192.168.2.29] ident=[a1K6I39R/S4hh9AwkNC+/2AgS+Qr8e8W]) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16UGev-00025I-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:25:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:25:50 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help with tar & FTP--Whats this bin thing? In-Reply-To: <3C51AE39.7080100@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > > Actually that's the problem - the file was already sent, the original > erased. Guess it's prety much doomed..... > Ahh.. yeah.. in that case I have no help for you =( Jason From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 19:41:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA00482 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:41:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA00479 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:41:43 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19136 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:41:44 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc03.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.3]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0Q0fDt27251 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:41:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C51FBC2.80603@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:43:46 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Getting of SLUG References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Laughs are good where ever you find 'em! Ed. Mikes work account wrote: > Everyone is just too funny these days,, thanks, I needed the laugh this > morning. > > Michael C. Rock > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Ed > Centanni > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 7:41 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Getting of SLUG > > > It's a do-it-yourself project as per the Slug Web site: > http://www.suncoastlug.org/lists.html#instructions > > Send an email to: > > majordomo@nks.net > > In the body of the email, give the following command: > > unsubscribe > > Or execute this command: > > echo unsubscribe | mail > majordomo@nks.net > > Ed. > > > .. . wrote: > > >>Hi, >>I would like to get off of the SLUG mailing list,, how can I do it ? >>Ben. >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >>http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >> >> >> > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 19:48:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA00510 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:48:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA00507 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:48:02 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19175 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:48:03 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc03.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.3]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0Q0lWt02828 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:47:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C51FD3D.7070706@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:50:05 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Chopping up a file... References: <20020125150934.51291.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> <3C527892.3FF137AC@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Strange! This issue came up last night when my son wanted me to send him a 128 Meg attachment and the mail service only allows 20 megs. I knew about split but not about csplit. But... it's Linux -- shoulda known there would be a CHOICE! BTW, cat (as per the split man page) is what you use to restore the pieces. Ed. Ronan Heffernan wrote: > Norbert Cartagena wrote: > > >>There had been a tool mentioned before (I think either >>Ed or Derrek mentioned it) which takes a file and >>breaks it into smalled pieces. Can someone remind me >>as to what that tool is? Thanks. >> > > I think that "split" and "csplit" will both accomplish this, but csplit > is more powerful. > --ronan > > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 21:43:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA00642 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:43:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA00639 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:43:57 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA19485 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:43:58 -0500 Received: from 24.95.237.134.bvl-ubr-a.cfl.rr.com by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ya195882 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:45:55 -0500 Message-ID: <008b01c1a613$758cdd80$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <20020125150934.51291.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> <3C527892.3FF137AC@mindspring.com> <3C51FD3D.7070706@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: [SLUG] send mail working with minor problem Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:45:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Sendmail working with minor bug: below is part of a mail header sent from my Linux box. If an email receiver automatically send back and read receipt they can't find the host Return-Path: Received: from mcncmdm1exims3.marriott.com ([162.130.1.254]) by suselinux2.computersystems (8.10.2/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3) with ESMTP id g0PJR7t19429 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:27:08 -0500 notice the ".com" is missing from the domain name. I've been parsing through the config files, but I have yet to stumble on a reference to "computersystems". I note that other than the ".com" there are 11 more letters missing fromt he host name. Is there a name space limitation to sendmail? From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 22:04:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA00656 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:04:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA00653 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:04:20 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19528 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:04:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0Q33nx09259 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:03:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:03:49 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Chopping up a file... In-Reply-To: <20020125150934.51291.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > There had been a tool mentioned before (I think either > Ed or Derrek mentioned it) which takes a file and > breaks it into smalled pieces. Can someone remind me > as to what that tool is? Thanks. split dd will each do the job -- split is a bit more intuitive. -- Russ From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 22:05:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA00661 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:05:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA00658 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:05:58 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19535 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:05:59 -0500 Received: from [10.10.1.28] (6532163hfc129.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.163.129]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0Q35Tm23770 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:05:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] send mail working with minor problem From: Andrew Wyatt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <008b01c1a613$758cdd80$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> References: <20020125150934.51291.qmail@web11008.mail.yahoo.com> <3C527892.3FF137AC@mindspring.com> <3C51FD3D.7070706@tampabay.rr.com> <008b01c1a613$758cdd80$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 25 Jan 2002 21:50:16 +0000 Message-Id: <1011995417.1167.5.camel@latitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Is "computersystems" your domainname (incase you don't know how to check, just type domainname)? (if you are on a redhat based system you can vi /etc/sysconfig/network and change it) On Sat, 2002-01-26 at 02:45, Patrick Grantham wrote: > Sendmail working with minor bug: > below is part of a mail header sent from my Linux box. If an email receiver > automatically send back and read receipt they can't find the host > Return-Path: > Received: from mcncmdm1exims3.marriott.com ([162.130.1.254]) > by suselinux2.computersystems (8.10.2/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3) with > ESMTP id g0PJR7t19429 > for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 > 14:27:08 -0500 > > notice the ".com" is missing from the domain name. I've been parsing > through the config files, but I have yet to stumble on a reference to > "computersystems". I note that other than the ".com" there are 11 more > letters missing fromt he host name. Is there a name space limitation to > sendmail? > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 23:12:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA00748 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:12:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA00745 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:12:50 -0500 Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA19719 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:12:50 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 04:12:19 -0000 Message-ID: <3C51E695.6030704@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:13:25 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Chopping up a file... References: <20020125.124754.-95444085.0.rsouto@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ramiro souto wrote: >Norb: >You are referring to: >THE SMALLED CHOPPER >It slices, it dices, it even grows hair on your chest! >And if you get it now RONCO will give you free the miniature file slicer, >yes sir designed for those wini mini files. >OK, I'm out of material. > This is just weird man.... weird.... ;-) Gnorb > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 22:36:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA00687 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:36:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA00684 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:36:20 -0500 Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19628 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:36:21 -0500 From: Doumbeck1@aol.com Received: from Doumbeck1@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 4.12.194d5a8b (4232) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:35:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12.194d5a8b.29837e11@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:35:45 EST Subject: [SLUG] Need 386 computers!!! To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey Guys, I am in the market for a few good faster 80386+7 computers. I am not interested in peripherals or drive (although I won't say no to them), but I am looking for complete bare computers. Case, Mobo, Proc, CoProc, RAM. If you can help me I would be very interested in an off list e-mail. I don't really read the list too much, I just scan it once in a while. I'll give you $25 each for any suitable specimen. Scot Mc Pherson From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 23:23:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA00766 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:23:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA00763 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:23:13 -0500 Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA19744 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:23:14 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 04:22:44 -0000 Message-ID: <3C51E905.3030405@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:23:49 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need 386 computers!!! References: <12.194d5a8b.29837e11@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Doumbeck1@aol.com wrote: >Hey Guys, > I am in the market for a few good faster 80386+7 computers. I am not >interested in peripherals or drive (although I won't say no to them), but I >am looking for complete bare computers. Case, Mobo, Proc, CoProc, RAM. If >you can help me I would be very interested in an off list e-mail. I don't >really read the list too much, I just scan it once in a while. I'll give you >$25 each for any suitable specimen. > Wow.... 100 times market value... Gnorb > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 25 23:44:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA00777 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:44:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA00774 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:44:45 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19763 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:44:46 -0500 Received: from icarus ([65.34.108.175]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0Q4i5N05410 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:44:05 -0500 From: "Seth" To: "Slug@Nks. Net" Subject: [SLUG] Nice review Tina! Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:44:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c1a624$37032130$2101a8c0@dbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I liked it! Very objective, but fair. Go check it out everyone http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/25/1811226&mode=thread I wonder if a person dual boots lindows and windows, could Lindows automagically install their windows TT fonts? Seth seth@hollen.org 727-919-1598 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPFI0RUu+O1SmNwFOEQLNjACgzB+dKrRxjJFX1ss0jadbmWBE5NYAoMd1 yA8ET4u2bbkgGN8OdZ/vsuJn =Hrmz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 00:34:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA00849 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:34:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA00846 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:34:17 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19956 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:34:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0Q5Xmx18469 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:33:48 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:33:48 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need 386 computers!!! In-Reply-To: <12.194d5a8b.29837e11@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 Doumbeck1@aol.com wrote: > I am in the market for a few good faster 80386+7 computers. I am not > interested in peripherals or drive (although I won't say no to them), but I > am looking for complete bare computers. Case, Mobo, Proc, CoProc, RAM. If > you can help me I would be very interested in an off list e-mail. I don't > really read the list too much, I just scan it once in a while. I'll give you > $25 each for any suitable specimen. I am to empty a basement of these and low pentium full this weekend. I'll see if they are dumpster bait or worth a drive. What about monitors? There are supposed to be 15 VGA's -- Russ From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 13:10:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA01405 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:10:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA01402 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:10:51 -0500 Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21587 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:10:53 -0500 Received: from sdn-ar-003fltampp245.dialsprint.net ([158.252.77.7] helo=noname.nodomain.nowhere) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16UXHS-00042Q-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:10:22 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Tim Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:14:25 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201261314250G.01483@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Check today's Tampa Tribune for an editorial on the Microsoft Case. I disagree completely with all their arguments, and you'd think the piece was ghostwritten by a Microsoft hack. Attached is a copy of a letter I sent today. I'd suggest that anybody else out there who has a problem with the Trib's position to write a letter to the editor. Here's my two cents' worth: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Tim Wright To: tribletters@tampatrib.com Subject: Microsoft Editorial Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:07:38 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201261307380F.01483@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO X-Status: Q I have to take exception to your editorial of 26 January. It's the Justice Department's proposed settlement that is doing the public no favor. Microsoft has systematically eliminated competition in the desktop computing market through unlawful means. This was established in the trial and upheld though appeal. Instead of building a better mousetrap, Microsoft resorted to strong-arm methods to maintain its monopoly position. What the public needs is a remedy to restore competition to this market, and the nine states that didn't sign up to the Justice Department's proposed settlement are seeking that. Your argument that breaking up Windows will raise prices fails to take the marketplace into account. When users have a choice of several competing applications, prices will go down and quality will go up. Opponents of the AT&T Bell System bereakup in 1986 offered the same empty argument: this will hurt the consumer. History has shown us different. Like the Bell System breakup, we're dismantling a monopoly that provided adequate service to restore competition and real innovation. There can be no real innovation with only one player (Microsoft) in the market. Remember when you couldn't own your telephone? Or having to pay extra for every extension in your house? This sounds a lot like Microsoft's perpetual upgrade game and software leasing program. Remember when you didn't have any choice between dial and touch tone? You took what the phone company told you to take, and if you didn't like the cost of long distance, too bad. This looks a lot like Microsoft's licensing agreement with computer manufacturers. That was how we had it when there was only one telephone company. The phones always worked under the Bell System, and we got by, because it was all we had and knew. Breaking up the Microsoft monopoly will benefit the public as much as breaking up AT&T into the Baby Bells. The argument about the chilling effect on innovation is ludicrous. Microsoft destroyed competition in the web browser market by unlawfully bundling Internet Explorer into Windows. The Court was very clear on that. Netscape distributed its browser for free before Microsoft made its move, and there are currently several browsers offered for free to the public or at prices well below that of the Windows operating system attached to Internet Explorer: Netscape, Konqueror, Mozilla, and Opera just to name four. We're likely to see more if the market is opened to competition. As your editorial cited in this case, the inventor, Microsoft, would give up property, Internet Explorer, as part of a court remedy because it was used unlawfully. That's hardly a penalty for innovation. Bank robbers don't get their guns back, either. The third reason cited fails to take into account that the people represented by the dissenting states disagreed with the initial plea bargain offered by the Justice Department. The fault lies with the government for not taking large enough measures to assure Microsoft's unlawful business practices will stop. This is the same Microsoft that violated a consent decree by leaving Internet Explorer bundled into Windows 98. The problems with security and malicious code: Nimda, Code Red, numerous other viruses/worms/trojans, and the security holes in Windows that allow hackers to remotely take over machines are a symptom of the problem. If there was any real competition out there, would Windows be so vulnerable? When there was competition in the software market during the 1980s, we saw tremendous growth and innovation. Desktop computers began taking on functions that used to belong solely to mainframes. That growth has stagnated now that Microsoft has dominated the market. We're already seeing foreign governments and businesses in China, Latin America, and Europe rejecting Windows for security reasons. In time, this could lead to America losing it's pre-eminent position in software development. Microsoft has enjoyed a monopoly position for too long. We see the effects every day with reports of new viruses and security problems with Windows and Microsoft applications. Problems that Microsoft claims to have corrected, if you pay for the next upgrade. Competition must be restored to the marketplace, and that means breaking up Microsoft and breaking up Windows, the same as breaking up Standard Oil and AT&T. When it comes to saying "enough," the people have had enough of the Microsoft monopoly. I know I've exceeded your 150-word guideline, but I have strong feelings concerning this case. I'm not a computer professional, but I do use them every day in my work as an engineer. There are alternatives to Microsoft products out there, and many work a lot better for less money. This case is all about choice. Microsoft built a monopoly, then unlawfully maintained it. When we have no choice but to use what Microsoft says we'll use at the price they dictate, it's time to restore competition to the marketplace. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 13:23:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA01422 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:23:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA01419 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:23:37 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21617 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:23:38 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt0a2n0b.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.25.11]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0QIN8X07216 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:23:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C52F4A3.DD2468D4@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:25:39 -0500 From: Anita Pesola X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial References: <0201261314250G.01483@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug That's a very good rebuttal, Tim, but knowing the Tampa Trib the way I do, they'll edit the letter to suit *THEIR* views, not yours. That's what I hate about newspapers and the liberal media. It's always slanted. Anita (Of course, this is IMHO......) Tim Wright wrote: > Check today's Tampa Tribune for an editorial on the Microsoft Case. I > disagree completely with all their arguments, and you'd think the piece was > ghostwritten by a Microsoft hack. > > Attached is a copy of a letter I sent today. I'd suggest that anybody else > out there who has a problem with the Trib's position to write a letter to the > editor. > > Here's my two cents' worth: > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > From: Tim Wright > To: tribletters@tampatrib.com > Subject: Microsoft Editorial > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:07:38 -0500 > X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Message-Id: <0201261307380F.01483@noname.nodomain.nowhere> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Status: RO > X-Status: Q > > I have to take exception to your editorial of 26 January. It's the Justice > Department's proposed settlement that is doing the public no favor. Microsoft > has systematically eliminated competition in the desktop computing market > through unlawful means. This was established in the trial and upheld though > appeal. Instead of building a better mousetrap, Microsoft resorted to > strong-arm methods to maintain its monopoly position. What the public needs > is a remedy to restore competition to this market, and the nine states that > didn't sign up to the Justice Department's proposed settlement are seeking > that. > > Your argument that breaking up Windows will raise prices fails to take the > marketplace into account. When users have a choice of several competing > applications, prices will go down and quality will go up. Opponents of the > AT&T Bell System bereakup in 1986 offered the same empty argument: this will > hurt the consumer. History has shown us different. Like the Bell System > breakup, we're dismantling a monopoly that provided adequate service to > restore competition and real innovation. There can be no real innovation with > only one player (Microsoft) in the market. > > Remember when you couldn't own your telephone? Or having to pay extra for > every extension in your house? This sounds a lot like Microsoft's perpetual > upgrade game and software leasing program. Remember when you didn't have any > choice between dial and touch tone? You took what the phone company told you > to take, and if you didn't like the cost of long distance, too bad. This > looks a lot like Microsoft's licensing agreement with computer manufacturers. > That was how we had it when there was only one telephone company. The phones > always worked under the Bell System, and we got by, because it was all we had > and knew. Breaking up the Microsoft monopoly will benefit the public as much > as breaking up AT&T into the Baby Bells. > > The argument about the chilling effect on innovation is ludicrous. Microsoft > destroyed competition in the web browser market by unlawfully bundling > Internet Explorer into Windows. The Court was very clear on that. Netscape > distributed its browser for free before Microsoft made its move, and there > are currently several browsers offered for free to the public or at prices > well below that of the Windows operating system attached to Internet > Explorer: Netscape, Konqueror, Mozilla, and Opera just to name four. We're > likely to see more if the market is opened to competition. As your editorial > cited in this case, the inventor, Microsoft, would give up property, Internet > Explorer, as part of a court remedy because it was used unlawfully. That's > hardly a penalty for innovation. Bank robbers don't get their guns back, > either. > > The third reason cited fails to take into account that the people represented > by the dissenting states disagreed with the initial plea bargain offered by > the Justice Department. The fault lies with the government for not taking > large enough measures to assure Microsoft's unlawful business practices will > stop. This is the same Microsoft that violated a consent decree by leaving > Internet Explorer bundled into Windows 98. > > The problems with security and malicious code: Nimda, Code Red, numerous > other viruses/worms/trojans, and the security holes in Windows that allow > hackers to remotely take over machines are a symptom of the problem. If there > was any real competition out there, would Windows be so vulnerable? When > there was competition in the software market during the 1980s, we saw > tremendous growth and innovation. Desktop computers began taking on functions > that used to belong solely to mainframes. That growth has stagnated now that > Microsoft has dominated the market. We're already seeing foreign governments > and businesses in China, Latin America, and Europe rejecting Windows for > security reasons. In time, this could lead to America losing it's pre-eminent > position in software development. > > Microsoft has enjoyed a monopoly position for too long. We see the effects > every day with reports of new viruses and security problems with Windows and > Microsoft applications. Problems that Microsoft claims to have corrected, if > you pay for the next upgrade. Competition must be restored to the > marketplace, and that means breaking up Microsoft and breaking up Windows, > the same as breaking up Standard Oil and AT&T. When it comes to saying > "enough," the people have had enough of the Microsoft monopoly. > > I know I've exceeded your 150-word guideline, but I have strong feelings > concerning this case. I'm not a computer professional, but I do use them > every day in my work as an engineer. There are alternatives to Microsoft > products out there, and many work a lot better for less money. This case is > all about choice. Microsoft built a monopoly, then unlawfully maintained it. > When we have no choice but to use what Microsoft says we'll use at the price > they dictate, it's time to restore competition to the marketplace. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 13:26:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA01429 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:26:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA01426 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:26:38 -0500 Received: from ns1.socaldns.com ([216.240.135.106]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21622 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:26:39 -0500 Received: from there (242819hfc30.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.19.30]) by ns1.socaldns.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA27029 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:25:17 -0800 Message-Id: <200201261825.KAA27029@ns1.socaldns.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:29:59 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <0201261314250G.01483@noname.nodomain.nowhere> In-Reply-To: <0201261314250G.01483@noname.nodomain.nowhere> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Very well said Tim! Thanks, Steve On Saturday 26 January 2002 01:14 pm, you wrote: > Check today's Tampa Tribune for an editorial on the Microsoft Case. I > disagree completely with all their arguments, and you'd think the piece was > ghostwritten by a Microsoft hack. > > Attached is a copy of a letter I sent today. I'd suggest that anybody else > out there who has a problem with the Trib's position to write a letter to > the editor. > > Here's my two cents' worth: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > From: Tim Wright > To: tribletters@tampatrib.com > Subject: Microsoft Editorial > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:07:38 -0500 > X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Message-Id: <0201261307380F.01483@noname.nodomain.nowhere> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Status: RO > X-Status: Q > > I have to take exception to your editorial of 26 January. It's the Justice > Department's proposed settlement that is doing the public no favor. > Microsoft has systematically eliminated competition in the desktop > computing market through unlawful means. This was established in the trial > and upheld though appeal. Instead of building a better mousetrap, Microsoft > resorted to strong-arm methods to maintain its monopoly position. What the > public needs is a remedy to restore competition to this market, and the > nine states that didn't sign up to the Justice Department's proposed > settlement are seeking that. > > Your argument that breaking up Windows will raise prices fails to take the > marketplace into account. When users have a choice of several competing > applications, prices will go down and quality will go up. Opponents of the > AT&T Bell System bereakup in 1986 offered the same empty argument: this > will hurt the consumer. History has shown us different. Like the Bell > System breakup, we're dismantling a monopoly that provided adequate service > to restore competition and real innovation. There can be no real innovation > with only one player (Microsoft) in the market. > > Remember when you couldn't own your telephone? Or having to pay extra for > every extension in your house? This sounds a lot like Microsoft's perpetual > upgrade game and software leasing program. Remember when you didn't have > any choice between dial and touch tone? You took what the phone company > told you to take, and if you didn't like the cost of long distance, too > bad. This looks a lot like Microsoft's licensing agreement with computer > manufacturers. That was how we had it when there was only one telephone > company. The phones always worked under the Bell System, and we got by, > because it was all we had and knew. Breaking up the Microsoft monopoly will > benefit the public as much as breaking up AT&T into the Baby Bells. > > The argument about the chilling effect on innovation is ludicrous. > Microsoft destroyed competition in the web browser market by unlawfully > bundling Internet Explorer into Windows. The Court was very clear on that. > Netscape distributed its browser for free before Microsoft made its move, > and there are currently several browsers offered for free to the public or > at prices well below that of the Windows operating system attached to > Internet Explorer: Netscape, Konqueror, Mozilla, and Opera just to name > four. We're likely to see more if the market is opened to competition. As > your editorial cited in this case, the inventor, Microsoft, would give up > property, Internet Explorer, as part of a court remedy because it was used > unlawfully. That's hardly a penalty for innovation. Bank robbers don't get > their guns back, either. > > The third reason cited fails to take into account that the people > represented by the dissenting states disagreed with the initial plea > bargain offered by the Justice Department. The fault lies with the > government for not taking large enough measures to assure Microsoft's > unlawful business practices will stop. This is the same Microsoft that > violated a consent decree by leaving Internet Explorer bundled into Windows > 98. > > The problems with security and malicious code: Nimda, Code Red, numerous > other viruses/worms/trojans, and the security holes in Windows that allow > hackers to remotely take over machines are a symptom of the problem. If > there was any real competition out there, would Windows be so vulnerable? > When there was competition in the software market during the 1980s, we saw > tremendous growth and innovation. Desktop computers began taking on > functions that used to belong solely to mainframes. That growth has > stagnated now that Microsoft has dominated the market. We're already seeing > foreign governments and businesses in China, Latin America, and Europe > rejecting Windows for security reasons. In time, this could lead to America > losing it's pre-eminent position in software development. > > Microsoft has enjoyed a monopoly position for too long. We see the effects > every day with reports of new viruses and security problems with Windows > and Microsoft applications. Problems that Microsoft claims to have > corrected, if you pay for the next upgrade. Competition must be restored to > the > marketplace, and that means breaking up Microsoft and breaking up Windows, > the same as breaking up Standard Oil and AT&T. When it comes to saying > "enough," the people have had enough of the Microsoft monopoly. > > I know I've exceeded your 150-word guideline, but I have strong feelings > concerning this case. I'm not a computer professional, but I do use them > every day in my work as an engineer. There are alternatives to Microsoft > products out there, and many work a lot better for less money. This case is > all about choice. Microsoft built a monopoly, then unlawfully maintained > it. When we have no choice but to use what Microsoft says we'll use at the > price they dictate, it's time to restore competition to the marketplace. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 15:10:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA01469 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:10:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA01466 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:10:32 -0500 Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA21786 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:10:33 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 20:10:02 -0000 Message-ID: <3C52C708.9030509@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:11:04 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial References: <0201261314250G.01483@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Tim Wright wrote: >Check today's Tampa Tribune for an editorial on the Microsoft Case. I >disagree completely with all their arguments, and you'd think the piece was >ghostwritten by a Microsoft hack. > >Attached is a copy of a letter I sent today. I'd suggest that anybody else >out there who has a problem with the Trib's position to write a letter to the >editor. > >Here's my two cents' worth: > Extremely good reply!! Gnorb > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 15:14:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA01479 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:14:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA01476 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:14:07 -0500 Received: from mail15b.boca15-verio.com (mail15b.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA21794 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:14:07 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 011711245 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:12:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C530DA5.2050205@roblimo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:12:21 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial References: <0201261314250G.01483@noname.nodomain.nowhere> <3C52F4A3.DD2468D4@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM855; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Anita Pesola wrote: > That's a very good rebuttal, Tim, but knowing the Tampa Trib the way I do, > they'll edit the letter to suit *THEIR* views, not yours. That's what I hate > about newspapers and the liberal media. It's always slanted. Darn liberal media, always supporting Microsoft and other monopolies. I hate the way liberals slant everything in favor of big business and profit, and ignore the work of good conservatives like, say, Richard M. Stallman. :) Seriously, most general circulation newspapers' writers and editors are simply ignorant about tech issues. This has nothing to do with political orientation. And newspapers tend to err slightly on the side of large corporate advertisers (and potential advertisers), which is a more obvious (and probably more harmful) slant than any other. The Washington Times, a newspaper whose conservate credentials cannot be disputed by anyone more liberal than the average Taliban member, is a staunch Microsoft supporter. At the same time, conservative legal icon Robert Bork is firmly in the "let's shred Microsoft" camp. Last week the Sarasota Herald/Tribune ran a business section article about computer security that was jaw-droppingly innacurate. It was nothing but rewritten PR material from several Windows consultants. I emailed both the reporter and the business editor and have not heard back from them even though this newspaper has a stated "reader response" policy and supposedly reads email. My note was strictly about technical matters. It had nothing to do with politics. My one email, ever, to the Tampa Tribune was promptly and politely answered. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 16:09:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA01531 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:09:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA01528 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:09:31 -0500 Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21877 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:09:31 -0500 Received: from user-33qtua7.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.249.71] helo=micro.hef) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Ua4K-0001Tg-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:09:00 -0500 Received: (qmail 5365 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 21:22:37 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO mindspring.com) (133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 21:22:37 -0000 Message-ID: <3C540087.41BB08C5@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:28:39 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need 386 computers!!! References: <12.194d5a8b.29837e11@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Doumbeck1@aol.com wrote: > Hey Guys, > I am in the market for a few good faster 80386+7 computers. I am not > interested in peripherals or drive (although I won't say no to them), but I > am looking for complete bare computers. Case, Mobo, Proc, CoProc, RAM. If > you can help me I would be very interested in an off list e-mail. I don't > really read the list too much, I just scan it once in a while. I'll give you > $25 each for any suitable specimen. > > Scot Mc Pherson I have 4 identical 486 50MHz machines. One catch: they are real IBM PS/2's: microchannel architecture, ESDI hard drives (and floppy drives?), etc. On the plus side, while you will have a hard time getting MCA ethernet cards, I think these machines all contain token-ring cards (9-pin female...is that token-ring?). --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 16:18:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA01542 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:18:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA01539 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:18:57 -0500 Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21908 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:18:57 -0500 Received: from user-33qtua7.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.249.71] helo=micro.hef) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16UaDS-0003vw-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:18:27 -0500 Received: (qmail 5368 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2002 21:32:04 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO mindspring.com) (133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 21:32:04 -0000 Message-ID: <3C5402BE.CE5045B5@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:38:06 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial References: <0201261314250G.01483@noname.nodomain.nowhere> <3C52F4A3.DD2468D4@tampabay.rr.com> <3C530DA5.2050205@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" wrote: > Anita Pesola wrote: > > > That's a very good rebuttal, Tim, but knowing the Tampa Trib the way I do, > > they'll edit the letter to suit *THEIR* views, not yours. That's what I hate > > about newspapers and the liberal media. It's always slanted. > > ... > Seriously, most general circulation newspapers' writers and editors are > simply ignorant about tech issues. This has nothing to do with political > orientation. And newspapers tend to err slightly on the side of large > corporate advertisers (and potential advertisers), which is a more > obvious (and probably more harmful) slant than any other. > > ... > - Robin Tim- Perhaps ignorance is the root of all tech reporting, but I find the Tampa Tribune to be distinctly conservative (ie butter cannot melt in the mouth of any corporate CEO). After three years as a subscriber, I accidently got my hands on a copy of the St. Pete Times. I switched immediately, and I prefer the quality of the reporting and the more liberal editorial slant. Disclaimer: I am a Liberal . Please direct all flames to the SLUG-Politics list. --ronan -- --Ronan Heffernan Stonewater Software, Inc. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 16:42:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA01559 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:42:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA01556 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:42:28 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21956 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:42:28 -0500 Received: from gecko.hast.org (653276hfc132.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.76.132]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0QLfum01088 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:41:56 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:01:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012617013009.16265@gecko.hast.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Here is my mailiing address Chuck Hast 506 S. 57th St. Tampa, FL 33619 That should take care of it. On Friday 25 January 2002 14:44 L, you wrote: > If I am going to 'snail mail' them to you I need your snail address. > I have all three binaries burned on a CD. > > Michael C. Rock > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of > wchast@utilpart.com > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:38 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta > > > This is my home address > kp4djt@tampabay.rr.com > My work address is > wchast@utilpart.com > > I tried to pull down all 3 files but all of them had > CRC errors in them sure am not sure why... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mikes work account [mailto:mrock@stewartsigns.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 02:49 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta > > > email me your mailing address, I have a copy of staroffice demo 6.0 that I > got from one of the brothers in SLUG and I will forward it to you after I > make a copy. > > Michael C. Rock > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of > wchast@utilpart.com > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:53 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta > > > Yes, I remembered that after I had sent the note, but when I tried to > run them I got all kinds of CRC errors, so still no joy. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mikes work account [mailto:mrock@stewartsigns.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 09:01 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta > > > If you are talking about the .bin files then remember to make them > executable and when in their directory,, ./ > > That will get things started for you. > > Michael C. Rock > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Chuck > Hast > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:59 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta > > On Wednesday 16 January 2002 21:24 L, you wrote: > > On Thursday 17 January 2002 11:19, you wrote: > > > > ftp://www.anhonestdesire.com/pub > > > > the so* files. > > > > They will not be available past the weekend so get'em while they are > > hot. > > > > Bill > > Finally got the file, I used Opera rather than Konquerer to pull it. That > seemed to do it ok, for some reason Konquerer would fail the better > way into the download. > > I am trying to remember how to open those files, I was thinking that > you just ran them, but that does not seem to be working. > > > -- > Chuck Hast > KP4DJT > kp4djt@tampabay.rr.com > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my > going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of > torn and twisted metal." > > > > ***************************************************************** > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is > addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify > the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and > remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions > and other information in this message that do not relate to the official > business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor > endorsed by it. > > Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com > ***************************************************************** > > > > > > > ***************************************************************** > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is > addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify > the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and > remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions > and other information in this message that do not relate to the official > business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor > endorsed by it. > > Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com > ***************************************************************** -- Chuck Hast KP4DJT kp4djt@tampabay.rr.com To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 17:27:44 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA01588 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:27:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA01585 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:27:43 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f191.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.191]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22049 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:27:44 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:27:12 -0800 Received: from 65.32.115.108 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:27:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.32.115.108] From: "Steven Johnson" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:27:12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2002 22:27:12.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[99C78E70:01C1A6B8] Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If only for the fact that in real dollars my phone bill is higher for the same services today than it was before the AT&T breakup I would agree with your article 100%. :) ----Original Message Follows---- Tim Wright wrote: >Opponents of the AT&T Bell System bereakup in 1986 offered the same empty >argument: this will hurt the consumer. History has shown us different. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 17:24:16 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA01583 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:24:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA01580 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:24:16 -0500 Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22034 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:24:16 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.215.223.102.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.215.223.102] helo=Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16UbEa-0003Lj-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:23:41 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: "Slug" Subject: [SLUG] RH 7.2 Update Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:20:18 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012617201800.01227@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Cost: CompUSA had RH 7.2 on sale for $29.95. Fl Sales Tax: $2.10 Cash Outlay: $32.10 Less: Each box comes equiped with a $20.00 rebate for updates _______________________________________________________ Total Cost less Rebate $12.10 Requirements for Rebate Go to http://www.redhat.com/upgrade_rebate Download PDF coupon Mail the following to Redhat Receipt from purchase of RH 7.2 Original UPC barcode from RH 7.2 Package Original UPC barcode from any version of RH 6.2, 7.0, or 7.1 Frank From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 17:36:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA01599 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:36:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA01596 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:36:07 -0500 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA22063 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:36:07 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 22:35:36 -0000 Message-ID: <3C52E926.3020501@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:36:38 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta References: <02012617013009.16265@gecko.hast.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Chuck Hast wrote: >Here is my mailiing address >Chuck Hast >506 S. 57th St. >Tampa, FL 33619 >That should take care of it. > Note, not that the people on this list aren't generally nice and all, but - uhm - isn't it kinda risky to post your mailing address in a public forum? Gnorb > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 18:44:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA01707 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:44:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA01704 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:44:42 -0500 Received: from web20508.mail.yahoo.com (web20508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.143]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22271 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:44:43 -0500 Message-ID: <20020126234412.50669.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.62.200.208] by web20508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:44:12 PST Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:44:12 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox Subject: [SLUG] xrpm To: SLUG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Can anyone tell me where I can find a copy of xrpm. The web sites I've found don't seem to be there any longer. Thanks, Carson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 19:05:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA01721 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:05:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA01718 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:05:09 -0500 Received: from hank.mjudge.net (adsl-21-235-223.mco.bellsouth.net [66.21.235.223]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22318 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:05:09 -0500 Received: from beavis.mjudge.net (beavis.mjudge.net [192.168.1.2]) by hank.mjudge.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0R04ZL29725 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:04:35 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian Coyle Organization: CHAOS -- That's a level of organization, isn't it? To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] xrpm Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:04:33 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20020126234412.50669.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020126234412.50669.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012619043301.01064@beavis.mjudge.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 26 January 2002 18:44, Carson Wilcox wrote: > Can anyone tell me where I can find a copy of xrpm. http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=xrpm - -- "We choose to go to the moon, and do the other things... Not because they are easy, but because they are hard." -JFK -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8U0QSER3MuHUncBsRAivUAJ9u+cDO9Ky+YbBuFmI/i0zcA5IDSACfY74f MYEwzIbxruLepJGUvw6vnVs= =4RO9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 19:48:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA01758 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:48:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA01755 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:48:29 -0500 Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA22399 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:48:29 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:48:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200201270048.TAA22399@homer.nks.net> Received: from unknown (HELO linux) (204.30.46.220) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 00:47:57 -0000 From: Justin Keyes X-Mailer: Arrow 1.0.8 (X11; Linux 2.4.4-4GB; i686) To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yeah that's great. Dude.... you might as well say the same thing about Internet exporer: "it's free, what are you complaining about?" My retort: "ummmmm...... YEAH IT'S FREE UNTIL IT STARVES ALL THE OTHERS TO DEATH!" Now I'm going to get the duct tape. So my head won't explode. -Justin On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:27:12, "Steven Johnson" wrote: > > > If only for the fact that in real dollars my phone bill is higher for the > same services today than it was before the AT&T breakup I would agree with > your article 100%. :) > > ----Original Message Follows---- > Tim Wright wrote: > >>Opponents of the AT&T Bell System bereakup in 1986 offered the same empty >>argument: this will hurt the consumer. History has shown us different. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 19:11:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA01729 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:11:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA01726 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:11:13 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22332 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:11:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0R0Agx30578 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:10:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:10:42 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] xrpm In-Reply-To: <20020126234412.50669.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, Carson Wilcox wrote: > Can anyone tell me where I can find a copy of xrpm. > The web sites I've found don't seem to be there any > longer. Never heard of a package by that name: but see: http://www.rpm.org/software/ -- Russ herrold From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 19:38:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA01740 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:38:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA01737 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:38:09 -0500 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA22374 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:38:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:38:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200201270038.TAA22374@homer.nks.net> Received: from unknown (HELO linux) (204.30.46.220) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 00:37:37 -0000 From: Justin Keyes X-Mailer: Arrow 1.0.8 (X11; Linux 2.4.4-4GB; i686) To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Took the words right out of my mouth. I was hyperventilating at every freakin' topic sentence of that stupid article. Justin Keyes On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:14:25 -0500, Tim Wright wrote: > > Check today's Tampa Tribune for an editorial on the Microsoft Case..... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 19:40:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA01748 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:40:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA01745 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:40:38 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22379 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:40:38 -0500 Received: from ragna2k ([24.161.255.81]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0R0e7t10163 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:40:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] xrpm From: Matt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20020126234412.50669.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020126234412.50669.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 26 Jan 2002 19:40:02 -0500 Message-Id: <1012092007.1434.0.camel@ragna2k> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sat, 2002-01-26 at 18:44, Carson Wilcox wrote: > Can anyone tell me where I can find a copy of xrpm. > The web sites I've found don't seem to be there any > longer. > > > Thanks, > Carson http://www.gmsys.com/xrpm.html From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 20:50:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA01830 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:50:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA01827 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:50:01 -0500 Received: from femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.145]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22566 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:50:02 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.65.151]) by femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020127014931.FYGQ8906.femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com@pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net> for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:49:31 -0800 Subject: [SLUG] In my distortion... From: Logan To: SLUG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 26 Jan 2002 20:53:07 -0500 Message-Id: <1012096388.24354.1.camel@maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I responded to the Microslurp mesage vice the Lindows message. I will have yet another Sam Adams, thank you.] ;) The Logan -- 8:50pm up 6 days, 20:02, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.11, 0.16 Horses are forbidden to eat fire hydrants in Marshalltown, Iowa. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 20:32:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA01796 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:32:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA01793 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:32:22 -0500 Received: from femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.108]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22515 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:32:23 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.65.151]) by femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020127013148.HVWN26021.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net> for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:31:48 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial From: Logan To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <0201261314250G.01483@noname.nodomain.nowhere> References: <0201261314250G.01483@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 26 Jan 2002 20:35:23 -0500 Message-Id: <1012095324.23968.19.camel@maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sat, 2002-01-26 at 13:14, Tim Wright wrote: Ok, I remember asking about Lindows a few weeks ago and I received from the mighty SLUG group, "the vaporware," response. Now we have a review of the product I hoped might save me from, "I use Word to make Julienne Fries," like situtuation. I guess none of the "insider group clan" wanted to admit failure prior to now?!? My thoughts in regard to the review: Mikey is selling not vaporware, but snakeoil. He reminds me of the irritating salesman from the movie, "The Outlaw Josey Wales." Lets all spit tabacco in his general direction. Of course my view is currently distorted from liberal quaffing of the juice of the barley (Hey its Saturday night!) Time for another Samuel Adams. Ciao The Logan -- 8:15pm up 6 days, 19:27, 1 user, load average: 0.25, 0.77, 0.91 Beifeld's Principle: The probability of a young man meeting a desirable and receptive young female increases by pyramidal progression when he is already in the company of: (1) a date, (2) his wife, (3) a better looking and richer male friend. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 20:42:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA01813 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:42:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA01810 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:42:07 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22548 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:42:08 -0500 Received: from 242819hfc234 (242819hfc234.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.19.234]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0R1fct22021 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:41:38 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:46:54 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <02012617013009.16265@gecko.hast.org> <3C52E926.3020501@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C52E926.3020501@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012620465401.01324@242819hfc234> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Gnorb - you just reposted it. ;) Glen On Saturday 26 January 2002 12:36, you wrote: > Chuck Hast wrote: > >Here is my mailiing address > >xxx > >xxx > >xxx > >xxx > > Note, not that the people on this list aren't generally nice and all, > but - uhm - isn't it kinda risky to post your mailing address in a > public forum? > > Gnorb > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 20:43:16 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA01818 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:43:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA01815 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:43:15 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22553 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:43:16 -0500 Received: from there (24161233hfc135.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.233.135]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0R1gkt22799 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:42:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201270142.g0R1gkt22799@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Erle Richard Stanley Robinson To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:41:03 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <0201261314250G.01483@noname.nodomain.nowhere> <3C52F4A3.DD2468D4@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3C52F4A3.DD2468D4@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 26 January 2002 13:25, you wrote: Since when can the Tampa Tribune be called Liberal Media? > That's a very good rebuttal, Tim, but knowing the Tampa Trib the way I do, > they'll edit the letter to suit *THEIR* views, not yours. That's what I > hate about newspapers and the liberal media. It's always slanted. > > Anita (Of course, this is IMHO......) > > Tim Wright wrote: > > Check today's Tampa Tribune for an editorial on the Microsoft Case. I > > disagree completely with all their arguments, and you'd think the piece > > was ghostwritten by a Microsoft hack. > > > > Attached is a copy of a letter I sent today. I'd suggest that anybody > > else out there who has a problem with the Trib's position to write a > > letter to the editor. > > > > Here's my two cents' worth: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > From: Tim Wright > > To: tribletters@tampatrib.com > > Subject: Microsoft Editorial > > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:07:38 -0500 > > X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Message-Id: <0201261307380F.01483@noname.nodomain.nowhere> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Status: RO > > X-Status: Q > > > > I have to take exception to your editorial of 26 January. It's the > > Justice Department's proposed settlement that is doing the public no > > favor. Microsoft has systematically eliminated competition in the desktop > > computing market through unlawful means. This was established in the > > trial and upheld though appeal. Instead of building a better mousetrap, > > Microsoft resorted to strong-arm methods to maintain its monopoly > > position. What the public needs is a remedy to restore competition to > > this market, and the nine states that didn't sign up to the Justice > > Department's proposed settlement are seeking that. > > > > Your argument that breaking up Windows will raise prices fails to take > > the marketplace into account. When users have a choice of several > > competing applications, prices will go down and quality will go up. > > Opponents of the AT&T Bell System bereakup in 1986 offered the same empty > > argument: this will hurt the consumer. History has shown us different. > > Like the Bell System breakup, we're dismantling a monopoly that provided > > adequate service to restore competition and real innovation. There can be > > no real innovation with only one player (Microsoft) in the market. > > > > Remember when you couldn't own your telephone? Or having to pay extra for > > every extension in your house? This sounds a lot like Microsoft's > > perpetual upgrade game and software leasing program. Remember when you > > didn't have any choice between dial and touch tone? You took what the > > phone company told you to take, and if you didn't like the cost of long > > distance, too bad. This looks a lot like Microsoft's licensing agreement > > with computer manufacturers. That was how we had it when there was only > > one telephone company. The phones always worked under the Bell System, > > and we got by, because it was all we had and knew. Breaking up the > > Microsoft monopoly will benefit the public as much as breaking up AT&T > > into the Baby Bells. > > > > The argument about the chilling effect on innovation is ludicrous. > > Microsoft destroyed competition in the web browser market by unlawfully > > bundling Internet Explorer into Windows. The Court was very clear on > > that. Netscape distributed its browser for free before Microsoft made its > > move, and there are currently several browsers offered for free to the > > public or at prices well below that of the Windows operating system > > attached to Internet Explorer: Netscape, Konqueror, Mozilla, and Opera > > just to name four. We're likely to see more if the market is opened to > > competition. As your editorial cited in this case, the inventor, > > Microsoft, would give up property, Internet Explorer, as part of a court > > remedy because it was used unlawfully. That's hardly a penalty for > > innovation. Bank robbers don't get their guns back, either. > > > > The third reason cited fails to take into account that the people > > represented by the dissenting states disagreed with the initial plea > > bargain offered by the Justice Department. The fault lies with the > > government for not taking large enough measures to assure Microsoft's > > unlawful business practices will stop. This is the same Microsoft that > > violated a consent decree by leaving Internet Explorer bundled into > > Windows 98. > > > > The problems with security and malicious code: Nimda, Code Red, numerous > > other viruses/worms/trojans, and the security holes in Windows that allow > > hackers to remotely take over machines are a symptom of the problem. If > > there was any real competition out there, would Windows be so vulnerable? > > When there was competition in the software market during the 1980s, we > > saw tremendous growth and innovation. Desktop computers began taking on > > functions that used to belong solely to mainframes. That growth has > > stagnated now that Microsoft has dominated the market. We're already > > seeing foreign governments and businesses in China, Latin America, and > > Europe rejecting Windows for security reasons. In time, this could lead > > to America losing it's pre-eminent position in software development. > > > > Microsoft has enjoyed a monopoly position for too long. We see the > > effects every day with reports of new viruses and security problems with > > Windows and Microsoft applications. Problems that Microsoft claims to > > have corrected, if you pay for the next upgrade. Competition must be > > restored to the marketplace, and that means breaking up Microsoft and > > breaking up Windows, the same as breaking up Standard Oil and AT&T. When > > it comes to saying "enough," the people have had enough of the Microsoft > > monopoly. > > > > I know I've exceeded your 150-word guideline, but I have strong feelings > > concerning this case. I'm not a computer professional, but I do use them > > every day in my work as an engineer. There are alternatives to Microsoft > > products out there, and many work a lot better for less money. This case > > is all about choice. Microsoft built a monopoly, then unlawfully > > maintained it. When we have no choice but to use what Microsoft says > > we'll use at the price they dictate, it's time to restore competition to > > the marketplace. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 20:46:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA01823 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:46:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA01820 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:46:09 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22556 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:46:10 -0500 From: tux@tampabay.rr.com Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0R1jet24731; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:45:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201270145.g0R1jet24731@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Cc: tux@tampabay.rr.com Subject: [SLUG] SO 6 Beta Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:45:40 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug For those still loking to download a copy of the above mentioned, here is a link: http://ranger.dnsalias.com/openoffice/ From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 21:19:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA01868 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:19:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA01865 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:19:12 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22632 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:19:13 -0500 Received: from TUFER001X (80-22.73-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.73.22.80]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0R2Igt17826 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:18:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007801c1a6d9$17917fd0$6501a8c0@pwcinternal.com> From: "tufer" To: Subject: [SLUG] Partitioning utility Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:19:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug My laptop has recently been "upgraded" to W2K. The techs at work had to blow away my dual boot and linux partition. Now, my version of PartitionMagic no longer works with the new OS. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to partition my HD without losing the existing W2K install and without spending $70 for the latest PartitionMagic? Thanks From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 22:29:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA01950 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:29:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA01912 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:50:27 -0500 Received: from balder.nks.net (balder.nks.net [63.146.188.10]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22708 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:50:28 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f155.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.155]) by balder.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA16061 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:35:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: balder-ssn.nks.net: Host f155.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.155] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:23:34 -0800 Received: from 65.32.115.108 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:23:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.32.115.108] From: "Steven Johnson" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:23:34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2002 01:23:34.0918 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D41C260:01C1A6D1] Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thank you for your wonderful commentary. I applaud you for it. Not for what you actually wrote but the way in which you wrote it. You see, my third grade teacher Mrs. Bidlach, affectionally referred to by the pupils in her care as Mrs. Bitchlax, was a wholly contemptible creature. You having written your commentary completely devoid of the rules of a third graders paragraphs, namely developing a cogent point, have single handledy managed to refute the skills and lessons that she was attempting to instill in us. In a small way, you were able to lash out against Mrs. Bitchlax in a way that I never was able to. Try as I might, even in the third grade I was always able to write coherent sentences and deliver a point. Thank you sir. In your poorly formed paragraph, you have managed to strike a blow against the tyranny of Mrs. Bitchlax and other third grade teachers everywhere. Now, if I may be allowed to expand on my thesis. The original letter writer, namely one Timothy Wright postulated that breaking up Microsoft would be good for the consumer. One of his central tenets in his argument was that the breakup of AT&T was "good" and it resulted in greater competition and lower prices. In real dollars, the breakup of AT&T and the Telecom Deregulation Act of 1996 did neither for me. Instead of paying for each phone in my house I am now paying my favorite monopoly Verizon a monthly Universal Access Charge. The net effect is that I am paying more today than I was in 1980 in real dollars. One could argue, with the overall contraction of the telecom industry that, there is no real competition. In fact, if I had to debate this from the other side I would have done so myself. I am merely pointing out that his one argument is flawed. Now, in lieue of duct tape, I am going to imbibe on some Kahlua and absolut - a civilized alternative to prevent the spontaneous combustion of one's head. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Justin Keyes Yeah that's great. Dude.... you might as well say the same thing about Internet exporer: "it's free, what are you complaining about?" My retort: "ummmmm...... YEAH IT'S FREE UNTIL IT STARVES ALL THE OTHERS TO DEATH!" Now I'm going to get the duct tape. So my head won't explode. -Justin On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:27:12, "Steven Johnson" wrote: > > > If only for the fact that in real dollars my phone bill is higher for the > same services today than it was before the AT&T breakup I would agree with > your article 100%. :) > > ----Original Message Follows---- > Tim Wright wrote: > >>Opponents of the AT&T Bell System bereakup in 1986 offered the same empty >>argument: this will hurt the consumer. History has shown us different. > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 22:35:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA01961 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:35:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA01958 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:35:19 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22816 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:35:20 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc03.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.3]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0R3Ynt05777 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:34:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C5375F9.2070200@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:37:29 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] In my distortion... References: <1012096388.24354.1.camel@maria> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Sam Adams?! Puh-leeze! Respect yourself. Get a Trois Pistole or at least a Bass Ale. Ed (blissfully floating the foamy waves on a warm Florida saturday night) Centanni Logan wrote: > I responded to the Microslurp mesage vice the Lindows message. I will > have yet another Sam Adams, thank you.] > > ;) > > The Logan > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 22:39:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA01968 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:39:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA01965 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:39:41 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22821 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:39:42 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc03.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.3]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0R3dBt08314 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:39:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C5376FE.5050704@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:41:50 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partitioning utility References: <007801c1a6d9$17917fd0$6501a8c0@pwcinternal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Since they "fscked" your laptop, make the famous sons of a snitch fix it. Sit on their heads until they do. It shouldn't be YOUR problem. Ed. tufer wrote: > My laptop has recently been "upgraded" to W2K. The techs at work had to blow > away my dual boot and linux partition. > > Now, my version of PartitionMagic no longer works with the new OS. Does > anyone have any suggestions on how to partition my HD without losing the > existing W2K install and without spending $70 for the latest PartitionMagic? > > Thanks > > > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 22:39:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA01973 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:39:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA01970 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:39:49 -0500 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA22823 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:39:50 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 03:39:19 -0000 Message-ID: <3C533053.8050203@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:40:19 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partitioning utility References: <007801c1a6d9$17917fd0$6501a8c0@pwcinternal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug tufer wrote: >My laptop has recently been "upgraded" to W2K. The techs at work had to blow >away my dual boot and linux partition. > >Now, my version of PartitionMagic no longer works with the new OS. Does >anyone have any suggestions on how to partition my HD without losing the >existing W2K install and without spending $70 for the latest PartitionMagic? > >Thanks > Well, you should actually be able to do it with any distro that uses a built in partitioning/resizing tool as part of the install (SuSE and Mandrake come to mind). I'm not sure of any other utility, though I'm sure there's GOTTA be something out there. Which distro do you want to use? Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 22:40:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA01979 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:40:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA01976 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:40:35 -0500 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA22828 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:40:36 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 03:40:06 -0000 Message-ID: <3C533082.3050601@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:41:06 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partitioning utility References: <007801c1a6d9$17917fd0$6501a8c0@pwcinternal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug tufer wrote: >My laptop has recently been "upgraded" to W2K. The techs at work had to blow >away my dual boot and linux partition. > >Now, my version of PartitionMagic no longer works with the new OS. Does >anyone have any suggestions on how to partition my HD without losing the >existing W2K install and without spending $70 for the latest PartitionMagic? > >Thanks > P.S. Just remember that you won't have any reliable write access to an NTFS system. GNorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 22:43:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA02002 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:43:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA01999 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:43:34 -0500 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA22849 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:43:35 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 03:43:04 -0000 Message-ID: <3C533134.803@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:44:04 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial References: <0201261314250G.01483@noname.nodomain.nowhere> <1012095324.23968.19.camel@maria> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Logan wrote: >On Sat, 2002-01-26 at 13:14, Tim Wright wrote: > > >Ok, I remember asking about Lindows a few weeks ago and I received from >the mighty SLUG group, "the vaporware," response. Now we have a review >of the product I hoped might save me from, "I use Word to make Julienne >Fries," like situtuation. I guess none of the "insider group clan" >wanted to admit failure prior to now?!? My thoughts in regard to the >review: > >Mikey is selling not vaporware, but snakeoil. He reminds me of the >irritating salesman from the movie, "The Outlaw Josey Wales." Lets all >spit tabacco in his general direction. Of course my view is currently >distorted from liberal quaffing of the juice of the barley (Hey its >Saturday night!) Time for another Samuel Adams. > To their deffense, the review IS of an Alpha release (ok, maybe beta... with a small "b"). Not exactly Release Client material to begin with. Gnorb > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 22:44:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA02007 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:44:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA02004 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:44:31 -0500 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA22852 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:44:32 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 03:44:01 -0000 Message-ID: <3C53316E.4070103@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:45:02 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta References: <02012617013009.16265@gecko.hast.org> <3C52E926.3020501@yahoo.com> <02012620465401.01324@242819hfc234> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Glen wrote: >Gnorb - you just reposted it. ;) > > Glen > > >On Saturday 26 January 2002 12:36, you wrote: > >>Chuck Hast wrote: >> >>>Here is my mailiing address >>>xxx >>>xxx >>>xxx >>>xxx >>> >>Note, not that the people on this list aren't generally nice and all, >>but - uhm - isn't it kinda risky to post your mailing address in a >>public forum? >> OOPS!! I mean, hey, it wasn't MY address ;-) Gnorb >> _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 22:47:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA02012 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:47:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA02009 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:47:56 -0500 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA22856 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:47:57 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 03:47:27 -0000 Message-ID: <3C53323B.7030603@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:48:27 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Steven Johnson wrote: > > Thank you for your wonderful commentary. I applaud you for it. Not > for what you actually wrote but the way in which you wrote it. You > see, my third grade teacher Mrs. Bidlach, affectionally referred to by > the pupils in her care as Mrs. Bitchlax, was a wholly contemptible > creature. You having written your commentary completely devoid of > the rules of a third graders paragraphs, namely developing a cogent > point, have single handledy managed to refute the skills and lessons > that she was attempting to instill in us. In a small way, you were > able to lash out against Mrs. Bitchlax in a way that I never was able > to. Try as I might, even in the third grade I was always able to > write coherent sentences and deliver a point. Thank you sir. In > your poorly formed paragraph, you have managed to strike a blow > against the tyranny of Mrs. Bitchlax and other third grade teachers > everywhere. Uhmm... actually, I don't know about you guys, but I got 2 copies of that e-mail; one which was properly formatted and the other which was not. Perhaps it was just a "me" thing... Gnorb > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 23:32:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA02086 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:32:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA02083 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:32:07 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22955 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:32:08 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (242855hfc73.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.55.73]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0R4Vcm17077 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:31:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] Simcity 3000 Loki From: Russ Wright To: slug Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 26 Jan 2002 23:35:47 -0500 Message-Id: <1012106148.1851.1.camel@rwright.desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does anyone have a copy of Loki's linux port of Simcity 3000 they would like to sell? Regards Russ From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 26 23:05:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA02021 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:05:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA02018 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:05:11 -0500 Received: from web12505.mail.yahoo.com (web12505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.197]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA22887 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:05:12 -0500 Message-ID: <20020127040441.58181.qmail@web12505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.35.252.12] by web12505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:04:41 PST Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:04:41 -0800 (PST) From: ter swartz Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partitioning utility To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <007801c1a6d9$17917fd0$6501a8c0@pwcinternal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Being a laptop limit's your options, since it is not easy to put on another computer as a "slave" drive...this makes it very easy to move arround partiions. In NT 4.0 and Win2K server, they have "Disk Manager". Putting another hard-drive in the laptop machine would be another option, I have friend with 2 hard-drive in his "Dell" laptop. Depending on the size of the hard-drive, if there is room for both OS's, "Partion Magic 6.01" will will run on Win2K Pro. Resize the partion of Win2K...then install Linux on second partion....you will probably need "administrative" rights on the 2K Pro O.S. to install and use "Partition Magic". Win 2K will allow you to boot to another OS from the "System Properties--> Advanced (tab)-->Startup and Recovery". Laptop that I use, from work, has 2K Pro and Linux on it...Install 2K first, then repartion..(I think, at least 6 Gigs of space)...Then boot from Linux CD to install on 6 Gig partion...my default boot OS is linux, but easy enough to switch (with reboot) to Win2K Pro. Pete. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 00:07:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA02138 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:07:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA02135 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:07:45 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23090 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:07:46 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt0b2n19.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.28.25]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0R57Ft24663; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:07:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C53D14A.7010300@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:07:06 -0500 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partitioning utility References: <007801c1a6d9$17917fd0$6501a8c0@pwcinternal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug tufer wrote: > My laptop has recently been "upgraded" to W2K. The techs at work had to blow > away my dual boot and linux partition. > Now, my version of PartitionMagic no longer works with the new OS. Does > anyone have any suggestions on how to partition my HD without losing the > existing W2K install and without spending $70 for the latest PartitionMagic? No, but you should be able to create a sub directory on the M$ drive and install LINUX in it using the M$ format, I had one with windows 3.11 named LINUX and it was a hidden directory, the LINUX (Slack. 3.5) worked better than the M$ 3.11. (it wasn't out of resources as it started) You may have to boot with a floppy with loadlin in autoexec.bat to get into it. It seemed faster than the M$ stuff to me. 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@qsl.net SENT Time and Date are UTC I upgraded to LINUX, the more I use it, the more I love it. It doesn't do everything for you, you must program it. Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 00:14:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA02164 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:14:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA02161 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:14:22 -0500 Received: from wellington.cnchost.com (wellington.concentric.net [207.155.252.14]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23126 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:14:23 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by wellington.cnchost.com id AAA22443; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:13:47 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16Uhjl-0003GV-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:20:17 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:20:12 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial Message-ID: <20020127002012.A12521@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <0201261314250G.01483@noname.nodomain.nowhere> <3C52F4A3.DD2468D4@tampabay.rr.com> <3C530DA5.2050205@roblimo.com> <3C5402BE.CE5045B5@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C5402BE.CE5045B5@mindspring.com>; from ronan.heffernan@mindspring.com on Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 08:38:06AM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 08:38:06AM -0500, Ronan Heffernan wrote: > "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" wrote: > > > Anita Pesola wrote: > > > > > That's a very good rebuttal, Tim, but knowing the Tampa Trib the way > I do, > > > they'll edit the letter to suit *THEIR* views, not yours. That's what > I hate > > > about newspapers and the liberal media. It's always slanted. > > > > ... > > Seriously, most general circulation newspapers' writers and editors are > > simply ignorant about tech issues. This has nothing to do with political > > orientation. And newspapers tend to err slightly on the side of large > > corporate advertisers (and potential advertisers), which is a more > > obvious (and probably more harmful) slant than any other. > > > > ... > > - Robin > > Tim- > Perhaps ignorance is the root of all tech reporting, but I find the Tampa > Tribune to be distinctly conservative (ie butter cannot melt in the mouth > of any > corporate CEO). After three years as a subscriber, I accidently got my > hands on a > copy of the St. Pete Times. I switched immediately, and I prefer the > quality of > the reporting and the more liberal editorial slant. Disclaimer: I am > a Liberal > . Please direct all flames to the SLUG-Politics list. Now that this has well and truly ventured into the realm of liberal vs conservative, I think it's safe to instruct everyone to move the thread (what's left of it) to slug-politics. Norb has already done so, and I'm preparing to cream him on that list. You're welcome to watch. ;-} Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 02:55:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA02328 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:55:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA02325 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:55:50 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23450 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:55:51 -0500 Received: from there (242857hfc125.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.57.125]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0R7tKt22844 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:55:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201270755.g0R7tKt22844@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Jim To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:49:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <3C53323B.7030603@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C53323B.7030603@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Since Monday is the deadline for comments to the DOJ, the editorial is conveniently timed. I wonder if any responses will be printed in time. Jim > > From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 03:25:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id DAA02356 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:25:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA02353 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:25:38 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23518 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:25:39 -0500 From: tux@tampabay.rr.com Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0R8P8X04036 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:25:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201270825.g0R8P8X04036@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Mandy 8.2 Beta Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 03:25:08 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The beta release for Mandrake 8.2 is now available at ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/linux/mandrake-iso/i586 According to the Cooker mailing list there will be two CD's for this beta release. Wade S Grant From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 04:30:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA02387 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:30:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA02384 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:30:13 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA23862 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:30:15 -0500 From: tux@tampabay.rr.com Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0R9TiX13322 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:29:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201270929.g0R9TiX13322@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] CRUX 0.92 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:29:44 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Has anyone tried this lightweight distro? From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 08:52:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA07442 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:52:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA07439 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:52:09 -0500 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24622 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:52:10 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.215.219.15.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.215.219.15] helo=Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Upic-00041N-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:51:38 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:48:19 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012708481900.11330@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 26 January 2002 05:27 PM, you wrote: > If only for the fact that in real dollars my phone bill is higher for the > same services today than it was before the AT&T breakup I would agree with > your article 100%. :) Curious, did you account for inflation in your evaluation? Frank > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > Tim Wright wrote: > >Opponents of the AT&T Bell System breakup in 1986 offered the same empty > >argument: this will hurt the consumer. History has shown us different. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 09:04:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA07458 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:04:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA07455 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:04:31 -0500 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24654 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:04:32 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.215.219.15.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.215.219.15] helo=Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Upub-0002xm-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 06:04:01 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: "Slug" Subject: [SLUG] RH 7.2 and Thanks Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:00:42 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012709004200.11339@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks for the help Saturday with my computer and Xsane and thanks for the tip that CompUSA was selling RH upgrade for less than $15.00. Frank From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 08:57:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA07452 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:57:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA07449 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:57:22 -0500 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24636 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:57:24 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.215.219.15.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.215.219.15] helo=Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Upnc-0007En-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 05:56:49 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:53:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <02012617013009.16265@gecko.hast.org> <3C52E926.3020501@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C52E926.3020501@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012708533001.11330@Snoopy_Dog.Franks_Folly> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 26 January 2002 12:36 PM, you wrote: > Chuck Hast wrote: > >Here is my mailing address > >Chuck Hast > >506 S. 57th St. > >Tampa, FL 33619 > >That should take care of it. > > Note, not that the people on this list aren't generally nice and all, > but - uhm - isn't it kinda risky to post your mailing address in a > public forum? > > Gnorb Strange but that is what I thought a telephone book did, post name address and phone number in a public form. Frank From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 10:23:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA07506 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:23:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07503 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:23:12 -0500 Received: from web12507.mail.yahoo.com (web12507.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.199]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24756 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:23:13 -0500 Message-ID: <20020127152241.41123.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.35.252.12] by web12507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:22:41 PST Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:22:41 -0800 (PST) From: ter swartz Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xbox To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20020125180126.A30545@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have not tried it myself, but have been curious...the XBOX actually has some reasonablly good hardware, for it's price (still don't want to buy one, due to it's sponser). Some of the web sites that I have looked at, such as http://www.xboxhacker.net and others talk about loading Linux on the XBOX..which would void the warrenty. If my plate wheren't so full, this is something I could sink my teeth into. One of the articles about DOA Xbox's http://www.nando.net/technology/story/211255p-2039099c.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 10:39:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA07519 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:39:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07516 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:39:53 -0500 Received: from web20503.mail.yahoo.com (web20503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.138]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24782 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:39:55 -0500 Message-ID: <20020127153924.74199.qmail@web20503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.62.202.208] by web20503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:39:24 PST Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:39:24 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: SLUG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm in the market for a new laptop. While I could install linux myself, I'd prefer to have it preloaded for a couple of reasons. First if I get a laptop and for some reason linux won't run on it, I'm stuck with a boat anchor and I don't have a boat. Secondly I need it for every day work and just don't have a lot of time to mess with it. Can anyone point me to a good place, preferably in the Tampa Bay area or if that isn't possible, some place on line where I can look for this animal. Thanks, Carson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 12:21:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA07567 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:21:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA07564 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:21:20 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24981 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:21:21 -0500 Received: from rr (653267hfc110.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.110]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0RHKpt20441 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:20:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004701c1a757$534049c0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: [SLUG] Re: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:23:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Dell Computers will still sell a Laptop Preloaded with RedHat , as for local none! The only reason I would choose a Dell is because Dell does stand behind the hardware. In fact the Only Name Brand I do trust. Also Dell will come to your house or business and Fix for up to 3 years. They are not going to go out of business for a while and usually within 24hrs either the repair tech or parts are in your hand. I do not know what IBM could offer. I also give this advice from being a support tech. When you buy a Laptop with the amount of money involved You should look for the following. Product Support! , Stick with a Name because I have to say this sometimes if the battery fails some of these generic marked ones you can not easily track a battery down to buy a backup one or replacement. The Company I use to work for bought 9 generic brand Laptops they were ESP then went out of business shortly after we purchased them. 8 of them had battery failure in less then a Year. While I found places on the net that said they sold batteries for ESP this model we got which was their highest rated was redesigned to use a different battery then what anyone had. After 3 months of Looking and research I found out that they were made by Chinon when we contacted Chinon they said that they came out with this model and dropped it because they could no longer get the battery manufacture to send them batteries because they went out of business! So then we tried on final thing we tried to send them to 3 different places who claimed they could rebuild them at 190.00 each. They were expensive because they were Lithium Ion batteries which had the smart technology which means that they have a indicator on them which you can remove the battery and push the little button and a led would come on and tell you your power level. Any ways we paid and all 3 were returned from the different places which none of them worked and there was no promise that they could rebuild them. They all were split open only to find that the cells in the batteries were also too new for them to have. and they were destroyed and would not work. So then we could only use these Laptops with a power cord. Which defeats the purpose of having a Laptop. This is why I would never go with a generic unless you are buying extra batteries at the time of purchase or that you can cross reference them to a replacement available for it. The sad thing is we could have purchased Dells instead which we normally used but my Boss wanted to try these others. They were in fact more expensive then the Dells were as well. He just bought them on a impulse cause a magazine did a good write up on that model and he liked the looks of it. As for loading Linux your self it is no big thing if you spend a few days of research on what models are compatible with the Distro you intend to run. Usually a weekend is all you need. The ones that usually works fine are Compaq Persario's and Armada's Dell Inspirons and Latitudes, IBM think Pads, and Hp ask Robin about the models. While I know some use Sony Vaio's which has a awesome Display but the are not too trust worthy, and Gateway Solo's have a problem with the system clocks keeping accurate time and display bombs usually quick in a year or two. Also sometimes you can get a Refurb Dell like Ed Centanni did at a good price with warranty and parts still available, Good Luck Bill Preece -----Original Message----- From: Carson Wilcox To: SLUG Date: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:22 AM >I'm in the market for a new laptop. While I could >install linux myself, I'd prefer to have it preloaded >for a couple of reasons. First if I get a laptop and >for some reason linux won't run on it, I'm stuck with >a boat anchor and I don't have a boat. Secondly I need >it for every day work and just don't have a lot of >time to mess with it. > >Can anyone point me to a good place, preferably in the >Tampa Bay area or if that isn't possible, some place >on line where I can look for this animal. > >Thanks, >Carson > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! >http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 12:44:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA07581 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:44:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA07578 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:44:56 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA25016 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:44:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 11243 invoked by uid 508); 27 Jan 2002 17:44:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (24.164.21.236) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 17:44:11 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.27] (helo=[192.168.2.27]) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16UtLb-0002o4-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:44:07 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:43:37 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: In-Reply-To: <004701c1a757$534049c0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, Bpreece wrote: > Dell Computers will still sell a Laptop Preloaded with RedHat , > as for local none! > > The only reason I would choose a Dell is because Dell does stand behind the > hardware. In fact the Only Name Brand I do trust. > > Also sometimes you can get a Refurb Dell like Ed Centanni did at a good > price with warranty and parts still available, I'll atest to this.. I picked up an old Dell Latitude p233, 64 mb ram and 6 gb harddisk.. for $500 at the last computer show at the fair grounds.. I took it home and dropped in my RH 7.2 cds.. installed just fine... The only thing I had to do was to manually run through the X11 setup, all the hardware was autodeteced and supported though so it was easy.. I haven't had any problems with it yet.. in fact I just bought a nic for it and had it up and running in no time also.. Jason Copenhaver From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 13:09:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA07592 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:09:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA07589 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:09:39 -0500 Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA25056 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:09:41 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 18:09:10 -0000 Message-ID: <3C53FC30.3050201@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 08:10:08 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Windows Refund - COOL! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Just found this link. If any of you have bought or are buyng a new computer and don't want to be forced to pay the "Microsoft Tax," you now have a solution! http://www.linuxmall.com/refund/ Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 14:09:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA07652 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:09:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA07649 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:09:38 -0500 Received: from mail15a.boca15-verio.com (mail15a.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA25188 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:09:39 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15a.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 013367349 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:07:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C545008.2080809@roblimo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:07:52 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: References: <004701c1a757$534049c0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM855; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Bpreece wrote: > Dell Computers will still sell a Laptop Preloaded with RedHat , > as for local none! HOWEVER - the only Dell laptops availalable with Linux preloaded are top-of-the-line models, available only with the most expensive service plan Dell offers. This is sort of silly, since one reason to pick Linux in the first place is that it needs less "computer power" to run well than other operating systems. IBM also has the idea that Linux is used only by people with lots of hardware money to spend. I have friends who have successfully installed Linux on bottom-cost Dell Inspirons and have been happy with them. A Mandrake install is no big deal; do it during commercials while watching TV. I do not personally deal with Dell because Rob Malda and I have both had "bait and switch" problems with their pricing, plus other lies. People who have not had these problems with Dell love them. This is up to you. We have had good luck with HP Pavilion laptops and Linux. I personally like the rounded case; it is easy on my wrists. Nice, bright display, too. I would try to avoid any laptop with the NeoMagic 256 audio chipset. This sucker is a [phrase removed to placate religionists] to get going with Linux. It *can* be done, but takes work. I will not personally buy an IBM or most Compaq laptops because I prefer a touchpad to the the little tit-pointers they both use. This is a personal preference only. The biggest problem with the HP Pavilion notebook is flimsy construction. Mine has a cracked case from a drop, but works anyway. One suggestion on purchasing a laptop, aside from OS: get it at CompUSA or from another retailer that offers an "all hazards" 3-year repair policy of some sort. I know very few people whose laptops have not had a problem or been damaged within the first year or two of their lives. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 14:27:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA07670 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:27:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA07667 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:27:57 -0500 Received: from mail15a.boca15-verio.com (mail15a.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA25234 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:27:59 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15a.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 013365567 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:26:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C545458.1050103@roblimo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:26:16 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Windows Refund - COOL! References: <3C53FC30.3050201@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM855; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Just found this link. If any of you have bought or are buyng a new > computer and don't want to be forced to pay the "Microsoft Tax," you now > have a solution! > > http://www.linuxmall.com/refund/ This is from 1999. Many/most hardware OEMs have since modified their EULAs to say that you either accept the OS as part of the puter or send the whole thing back. You may want to mention this in the email you send today (tomorrow is deadline) to the DoJ about their proposed Microsoft wrist-slap. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 15:17:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA07700 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:17:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA07697 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:17:29 -0500 Received: from mail15a.boca15-verio.com (mail15a.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25345 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:17:30 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15a.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 013304419 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:15:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C5419A4.4030709@roblimo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:15:48 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] IBM directly boosts Linux References: <200201270825.g0R8P8X04036@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM855; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug While watching Pats walk over Steelers, saw new IBM "basketball" commercial featuring "Linux, the new guy on the team who is going to make all of you look better." Cut to executive suite, where one suit gloats that Linux cost "peanuts," other asks why he plays so cheap, first suit says, "because he loves the game." Can't ask for a better plug than that. Too bad that, as editor of Linux.com, I'm going to get lots of really stupid questions from AOL users because of this ad, but answering them is (sigh) part of my job. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 14:44:56 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA07679 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:44:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA07676 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:44:55 -0500 Received: from web20506.mail.yahoo.com (web20506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.141]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA25264 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:44:56 -0500 Message-ID: <20020127194425.66034.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.62.201.177] by web20506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:44:25 PST Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:44:25 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <004701c1a757$534049c0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks for all the comments. I'll give Dell a call and see what happens. I don't want or need there top of the line so that may be a problem, but we'll see. Thanks, Carson --- Bpreece wrote: > Dell Computers will still sell a Laptop Preloaded > with RedHat , > as for local none! > > The only reason I would choose a Dell is because > Dell does stand behind the > hardware. In fact the Only Name Brand I do trust. > > Also Dell will come to your house or business and > Fix for up to 3 years. > They are not > going to go out of business for a while and usually > within 24hrs either the > repair tech or > parts are in your hand. > > I do not know what IBM could offer. I also give this > advice from being a > support tech. > When you buy a Laptop with the amount of money > involved You should look for > the following. > > Product Support! , Stick with a Name because I have > to say this sometimes if > the battery fails some > of these generic marked ones you can not easily > track a battery down to buy > a backup one or replacement. > > The Company I use to work for bought 9 generic brand > Laptops they were ESP > then went out of business > shortly after we purchased them. 8 of them had > battery failure in less then > a Year. While I found places on the net > that said they sold batteries for ESP this model we > got which was their > highest rated was redesigned to use a > different battery then what anyone had. After 3 > months of Looking and > research I found out that they were made by Chinon > when we contacted Chinon they said that they came > out with this model and > dropped it because they could no longer get > the battery manufacture to send them batteries > because they went out of > business! So then we tried on final thing we tried > to send them to 3 different places who claimed they > could rebuild them at > 190.00 each. They were expensive because they > were Lithium Ion batteries which had the smart > technology which means that > they have a indicator on them which you can > remove the battery and push the little button and a > led would come on and > tell you your power level. > > Any ways we paid and all 3 were returned from the > different places which > none of them worked and there was no promise that > they could rebuild them. They all were split open > only to find that the > cells in the batteries were also too new for them to > have. > and they were destroyed and would not work. > > So then we could only use these Laptops with a > power cord. Which defeats > the purpose of having a Laptop. > > This is why I would never go with a generic unless > you are buying extra > batteries at the time of purchase or that you can > cross > reference them to a replacement available for it. > The sad thing is we could > have purchased Dells instead which we normally used > but my Boss wanted to try these others. They were in > fact more expensive > then the Dells were as well. He just bought them on > a > impulse cause a magazine did a good write up on that > model and he liked the > looks of it. > > As for loading Linux your self it is no big thing if > you spend a few days of > research on what models are compatible with the > Distro you intend to run. Usually a weekend is all > you need. The ones that > usually works fine are Compaq Persario's and > Armada's > Dell Inspirons and Latitudes, IBM think Pads, and Hp > ask Robin about the > models. > > While I know some use Sony Vaio's which has a > awesome Display but the are > not too trust worthy, and Gateway Solo's have a > problem with the system > clocks keeping accurate time and display bombs > usually quick in a year or > two. > > Also sometimes you can get a Refurb Dell like Ed > Centanni did at a good > price with warranty and parts still available, > > Good Luck > Bill Preece > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carson Wilcox > To: SLUG > Date: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:22 AM > > > >I'm in the market for a new laptop. While I could > >install linux myself, I'd prefer to have it > preloaded > >for a couple of reasons. First if I get a laptop > and > >for some reason linux won't run on it, I'm stuck > with > >a boat anchor and I don't have a boat. Secondly I > need > >it for every day work and just don't have a lot of > >time to mess with it. > > > >Can anyone point me to a good place, preferably in > the > >Tampa Bay area or if that isn't possible, some > place > >on line where I can look for this animal. > > > >Thanks, > >Carson > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > >http://auctions.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 15:29:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA07721 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:29:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA07718 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:29:43 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25381 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:29:44 -0500 Received: from latitude.bbsgamers.com (6532163hfc129.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.163.129]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0RKT9X14665 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:29:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: From: Andrew Wyatt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C545008.2080809@roblimo.com> References: <004701c1a757$534049c0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <3C545008.2080809@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 27 Jan 2002 14:39:04 +0000 Message-Id: <1012142344.1099.2.camel@latitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have a Neomagic 256 in this Latitude CS, RH 7.2 picked it right up. :-) (Though if I had a choice, I wouldn't choose a NeoMagic based system again myself.) I've always had good luck with Linux on laptops (I've had it on dozens of them haha) In my experience it installed, and worked best on Compaq Armada series systems. On Sun, 2002-01-27 at 19:07, Robin (Roblimo) Miller wrote: > > > Bpreece wrote: > > > Dell Computers will still sell a Laptop Preloaded with RedHat , > > as for local none! > > > HOWEVER - the only Dell laptops availalable with Linux preloaded are > top-of-the-line models, available only with the most expensive service > plan Dell offers. This is sort of silly, since one reason to pick Linux > in the first place is that it needs less "computer power" to run well > than other operating systems. IBM also has the idea that Linux is used > only by people with lots of hardware money to spend. > > I have friends who have successfully installed Linux on bottom-cost Dell > Inspirons and have been happy with them. A Mandrake install is no big > deal; do it during commercials while watching TV. I do not personally > deal with Dell because Rob Malda and I have both had "bait and switch" > problems with their pricing, plus other lies. People who have not had > these problems with Dell love them. This is up to you. > > We have had good luck with HP Pavilion laptops and Linux. I personally > like the rounded case; it is easy on my wrists. Nice, bright display, too. > > I would try to avoid any laptop with the NeoMagic 256 audio chipset. > This sucker is a [phrase removed to placate religionists] to get going > with Linux. It *can* be done, but takes work. > > I will not personally buy an IBM or most Compaq laptops because I prefer > a touchpad to the the little tit-pointers they both use. This is a > personal preference only. > > The biggest problem with the HP Pavilion notebook is flimsy > construction. Mine has a cracked case from a drop, but works anyway. > > One suggestion on purchasing a laptop, aside from OS: get it at CompUSA > or from another retailer that offers an "all hazards" 3-year repair > policy of some sort. I know very few people whose laptops have not had a > problem or been damaged within the first year or two of their lives. > > - Robin > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 15:50:17 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA07732 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:50:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA07729 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:50:17 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25410 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:50:18 -0500 Received: from rr (653267hfc110.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.110]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0RKnlm18142 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:49:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801c1a774$82f31c20$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] IBM directly boosts Linux Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:52:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I will try to video capture these commercials as there is actually 4 of them all with a Linux twist. Another one talking about security in a basketball game shows Tux in the video and a uniform showing Linux on the last player in the review on the commercial. Thanks Bill Preece -----Original Message----- From: Robin (Roblimo) Miller To: slug@nks.net Date: Sunday, January 27, 2002 3:17 PM Subject: [SLUG] IBM directly boosts Linux >While watching Pats walk over Steelers, saw new IBM "basketball" >commercial featuring "Linux, the new guy on the team who is going to >make all of you look better." Cut to executive suite, where one suit >gloats that Linux cost "peanuts," other asks why he plays so cheap, >first suit says, "because he loves the game." > >Can't ask for a better plug than that. > >Too bad that, as editor of Linux.com, I'm going to get lots of really >stupid questions from AOL users because of this ad, but answering them >is (sigh) part of my job. > >- Robin > > > From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 17:23:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA07845 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:23:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA07842 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:23:09 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25658 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:23:10 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt0a2n0b.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.25.11]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0RMMYt10065 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:22:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C547E8A.F4A12E74@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:26:18 -0500 From: Anita Pesola X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xbox References: <20020127152241.41123.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Loading Linux onto an XBOX??? Wow, wouldn't Bill Gates have kittens over that??? :-) ( I would love to see it.....) MEOW!!! Anita ter swartz wrote: > I have not tried it myself, but have been > curious...the XBOX actually has some reasonablly good > hardware, for it's price (still don't want to buy one, > due to it's sponser). Some of the web sites that I > have looked at, such as http://www.xboxhacker.net and > others talk about loading Linux on the XBOX..which > would void the warrenty. If my plate wheren't so > full, this is something I could sink my teeth into. > > One of the articles about DOA Xbox's > http://www.nando.net/technology/story/211255p-2039099c.html > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 17:37:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA07856 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:37:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA07853 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:37:02 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25684 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:37:03 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc03.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.3]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0RMaWm28966 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:36:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C5480F1.1070407@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:36:33 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xbox References: <20020127152241.41123.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> <3C547E8A.F4A12E74@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug He'd more likely spit a hairball... oh wait, he already did... it's XP. Ed. Anita Pesola wrote: > Loading Linux onto an XBOX??? Wow, wouldn't Bill Gates have kittens over > that??? :-) ( I would love to see it.....) > > MEOW!!! > > Anita > > > ter swartz wrote: > > >>I have not tried it myself, but have been >>curious...the XBOX actually has some reasonablly good >>hardware, for it's price (still don't want to buy one, >>due to it's sponser). Some of the web sites that I >>have looked at, such as http://www.xboxhacker.net and >>others talk about loading Linux on the XBOX..which >>would void the warrenty. If my plate wheren't so >>full, this is something I could sink my teeth into. >> >>One of the articles about DOA Xbox's >>http://www.nando.net/technology/story/211255p-2039099c.html >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! >>http://auctions.yahoo.com >> > > From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 18:30:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA07890 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:30:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA07887 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:30:29 -0500 Received: from morpheus-ssn.nks.net (morpheus.nks.net [216.139.201.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25809 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:30:31 -0500 Received: from out018.verizon.net (out018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.96]) by morpheus-ssn.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06041 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:30:00 -0500 Received: from Desktop1 ([4.61.233.188]) by out018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.02 201-253-122-122-102-20011128) with SMTP id <20020127232900.RXR4896.out018.verizon.net@Desktop1> for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:29:00 -0600 Message-ID: <033001c1a78a$3e67ccc0$bce93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:27:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > If only for the fact that in real dollars my phone bill is higher for the same > services today than it was before the AT&T breakup I would agree with > your article 100%. :) Gee, even here in rural Hudson I don't have to live with the same services as were in place pre-AT&T's breakup ... giggle. I agree strongly with the response to the M$ editorial, and with many years of past history in politics it is obvious that M$ is working editorial staffs hard through high-tech advertisers to get positive press. As for the politics of the local press, The St. Pete Times was introduced to me as "Pravda on the Gulf", the Tampa Trib as "The Voice of the Moderates", there is no such thing as a conservative paper in the Tampa Bay area that I am aware of. As for reliable Tech news, forget the mainstream media, it is asking too much for entertainment, hype, and profit obsessed folks therein. Seems to me that we need to pepper the letters-to-the-editor columns of both papers with thoughtful brief replies that recite the many places that use Linux and other M$ alternatives (e.g. Home Depot), the many products that will run either (most home and business PCs), and the many common apps that will run under either (word processing, spreadsheet, databases, pims, games, Internet browsers, E-mail, chat, ...). Steady pressure from grassroots local users together with IBMs high profile ads and all of the news stories and we cab build a buzz that M$ cannot buy for billions -- we just need to be persistent. doc From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 18:45:36 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA07903 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:45:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA07900 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:45:35 -0500 Received: from web10405.mail.yahoo.com (web10405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.97]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA25825 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:45:36 -0500 Message-ID: <20020127234506.43381.qmail@web10405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.32.47.50] by web10405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:45:06 PST Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:45:06 -0800 (PST) From: Tina Gasperson Subject: Re: [SLUG] Nice review Tina! To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <000001c1a624$37032130$2101a8c0@dbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Wow, not-a-flame! Thanks! :-) Tina --- Seth wrote: > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/25/1811226&mode=thread > I wonder if a person dual boots lindows and windows, > could Lindows > automagically install their windows TT fonts? > > Seth > seth@hollen.org > 727-919-1598 > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use > > > iQA/AwUBPFI0RUu+O1SmNwFOEQLNjACgzB+dKrRxjJFX1ss0jadbmWBE5NYAoMd1 > yA8ET4u2bbkgGN8OdZ/vsuJn > =Hrmz > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 19:09:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA07922 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:09:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA07882 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:30:26 -0500 Received: from balder.nks.net (balder.nks.net [63.146.188.10]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25807 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:30:27 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f32.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.32]) by balder.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA21943 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:44:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: balder-ssn.nks.net: Host f32.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.32] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:33:21 -0800 Received: from 65.32.115.108 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:33:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.32.115.108] From: "Steven Johnson" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Editorial Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:33:21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2002 22:33:21.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[A004C9E0:01C1A782] Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ----Original Message Follows---- On Saturday 26 January 2002 05:27 PM, you wrote: >>If only for the fact that in real dollars my phone bill is higher for the >>same services today than it was before the AT&T breakup I would agree with >>your article 100%. :) >Curious, did you account for inflation in your evaluation? Yes. hence the liberal use of the phrase real dollars. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 20:13:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA07972 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:13:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA07969 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:13:05 -0500 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25969 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:13:06 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-036-065.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.36.65] helo=localhost) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16V0Lb-0004Rw-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:12:36 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=there) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16V0LG-0001NP-00 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:12:14 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IBM directly boosts Linux Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:12:13 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200201270825.g0R8P8X04036@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> <3C5419A4.4030709@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C5419A4.4030709@roblimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Too bad that, as editor of Linux.com, I'm going to get lots of really > stupid questions from AOL users because of this ad, but answering them > is (sigh) part of my job. > > - Robin First dumb question: what kinds of questions will they be asking? I guess I've not been an AOL user so I don't know. (I've never been completely clueless, either :-) Russell Hires From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 20:27:36 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA07985 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:27:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA07982 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:27:35 -0500 Received: from mail15b.boca15-verio.com (mail15b.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA25994 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:27:36 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 012340428 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:25:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C546250.3050604@roblimo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:25:52 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IBM directly boosts Linux References: <200201270825.g0R8P8X04036@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> <3C5419A4.4030709@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM855; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > First dumb question: what kinds of questions will they be asking? I guess > I've not been an AOL user so I don't know. (I've never been completely > clueless, either :-) Paraphrases that capture gists, not necessarily from AOL accounts: "I have down loaded Linux 6.0 it will not run Photoshop you must help me because I need to use Photoshop, my cousin gave me a copy of his and I can only run it on Linux not Windows because Linux is free and Windows isn't, how do I open Photoshop wiht Linux?" "I see that Linux is free. Could you please send one of your engineers to my house to install it and teach me how to use it? Thank you..." "My modem won't work in Linux, I downloaded it off the Internet this is bad you guys suck you will never take over from Windows." "I put Linux on my computer now I can't get it off and windows wont boot if you dont fix this i will call the better business breau i got linux i downloaded it free i am going to sue if you dont make it work right." And the beat goes on... - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 22:44:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA08056 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:44:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA08053 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:44:05 -0500 Received: from femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.88]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26228 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:44:07 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([68.42.208.33]) by femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020128034331.ILYP4306.femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:43:31 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IBM directly boosts Linux Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:41:17 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200201270825.g0R8P8X04036@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> <3C546250.3050604@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C546250.3050604@roblimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012722411702.04332@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sunday 27 January 2002 15:25, you wrote: > "I put Linux on my computer now I can't get it off and windows wont > boot if you dont fix this i will call the better business breau i > got linux i downloaded it free i am going to sue if you dont make > it work right." > > And the beat goes on... > > - Robin Rob ... these are GREAT!!!! More! More! -- total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1545352 1236852 308500 0 172740 746964 Swap: 401584 6400 395184 Total: 1946936 1243252 703684 Linux a.genesis.com 2.4.14 #3 Fri Nov 9 23:14:31 EST 2001 K7 750MHz 10:38pmup 38 days, 20:41, 4 users, load average: 2.24, 2.20, 2.23 From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 22:49:37 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA08066 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:49:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA08063 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:49:33 -0500 Received: from devonshire.cnchost.com (devonshire.concentric.net [207.155.248.12]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26242 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:49:34 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by devonshire.cnchost.com id WAA28111; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:49:03 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16V2tX-00074Y-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:55:47 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:55:43 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IBM directly boosts Linux Message-ID: <20020127225543.B27149@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <200201270825.g0R8P8X04036@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> <3C5419A4.4030709@roblimo.com> <3C546250.3050604@roblimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C546250.3050604@roblimo.com>; from robin@roblimo.com on Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 03:25:52PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 03:25:52PM -0500, Robin (Roblimo) Miller wrote: > > > First dumb question: what kinds of questions will they be asking? I guess > > I've not been an AOL user so I don't know. (I've never been completely > > clueless, either :-) > > > Paraphrases that capture gists, not necessarily from AOL accounts: > > "I have down loaded Linux 6.0 it will not run Photoshop you must help me > because I need to use Photoshop, my cousin gave me a copy of his and I > can only run it on Linux not Windows because Linux is free and Windows > isn't, how do I open Photoshop wiht Linux?" > > "I see that Linux is free. Could you please send one of your engineers > to my house to install it and teach me how to use it? Thank you..." > > "My modem won't work in Linux, I downloaded it off the Internet this is > bad you guys suck you will never take over from Windows." > > "I put Linux on my computer now I can't get it off and windows wont boot > if you dont fix this i will call the better business breau i got linux i > downloaded it free i am going to sue if you dont make it work right." > > And the beat goes on... > Don't know if anyone takes ComputerWorld, but on the back page every issue, they have a group of bizarre incidents sent into them by real techs. Things along the lines of some of the above, like: "My computer doesn't work!" "Did you plug it in?" "Oh." Hilarious. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 27 22:54:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA08074 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:54:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA08071 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:54:18 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26258 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:54:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0S3rlx13955 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:53:47 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:53:47 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IBM directly boosts Linux In-Reply-To: <02012722411702.04332@a.genesis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, Bill wrote: > Rob ... these are GREAT!!!! > More! More! Bill -- sign up for a job doing level one tech support for your local ISP -- you'll have enough material in a week to write books for the rest of your life. -- Russ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 00:07:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA08115 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:07:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA08112 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:07:05 -0500 Received: from mail15a.boca15-verio.com (mail15a.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA26465 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:07:06 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15a.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 013608842 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:05:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C5495C6.6060701@roblimo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:05:26 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IBM directly boosts Linux References: <200201270825.g0R8P8X04036@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> <3C5419A4.4030709@roblimo.com> <3C546250.3050604@roblimo.com> <20020127225543.B27149@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM855; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Don't know if anyone takes ComputerWorld, but on the back page every > issue, they have a group of bizarre incidents sent into them by real > techs. Things along the lines of some of the above, like: "My computer > doesn't work!" "Did you plug it in?" "Oh." Hilarious. Here's a real, fairly typical, unobnoxious Linux.com email. We have a headline, "Introduction to Linux and Linux.com" in big letters on the main page that leads to an article that answers every one of this person's questions but, he/she/it sends email instead of clicking on the link. Name removed to protect the ignorant. My "canned" reply follows. (You *don't* think I answer 10 to 100+ of these every day by hand, do you?) --------------------- Dear sir , Can you help me to know any thing about your operating system ???? What does it look like ?? Does it seems like DOS ??? Does it very difficult to learn ???? From where can I get this operating system & what types of software & hardware does it support ??? Please send for me your answers as soon as possible ............. Note : Why did you choose the "penguin" as a symbol for your operating system ????? linux.com reply Linux.com only has three full-time editorial people -- and over 100,000 daily readers. There is no way we can personally answer even a small fraction of the requests we get for Linux help and information. We wrote the following article (it's on the main page of Linux.com) to help you find the information/help you need. It will either answer your question directly or point you to a place where it can be found: http://linux.com/learn/newsitem.phtml?sid=93&aid=12555 If this fails, search engines are great tools. We use and recommend google (http://google.com). Thanks for understanding, - Robin "Roblimo" Miller Editor in Chief, Linux.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 08:30:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA08715 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:30:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA08712 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:30:09 -0500 Received: from bnfep04.boone.winstar.net (bnfep04e.boone.winstar.net [63.140.240.58]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27992 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:30:11 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([63.141.67.114]) by bnfep04.boone.winstar.net with ESMTP id <20020128132940.HZMS399.bnfep04@dallas.utilpart.com> for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:29:40 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:29:23 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A472@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:29:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Well, I guess I will have to trust people. But it is published all over the place, in fact the Hillsborough Property Appraiser has neat maps and aerial photos of it, so I am not really worried. If someone wants me they have probably gone to places a lot easier to dig into, and got a lot more info. They will have to deal with the dogs wife and my two brothers Smith and Wesson if they are that desperate. -----Original Message----- From: Norbert Cartagena [mailto:niccademous@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 12:37 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copy of Staroffice 6.0 beta Chuck Hast wrote: >Here is my mailiing address >Chuck Hast >506 S. 57th St. >Tampa, FL 33619 >That should take care of it. > Note, not that the people on this list aren't generally nice and all, but - uhm - isn't it kinda risky to post your mailing address in a public forum? Gnorb > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 10:27:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA08851 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:27:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA08848 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:27:35 -0500 Received: from snoopy.tblc.org (snoopy.tblc.lib.fl.us [206.72.132.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28325 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:27:37 -0500 Received: from bernie.tblc.org (bernie.tblc.org [206.72.132.8]) by snoopy.tblc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17B62002E2 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:31:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] The 'Ultimate Linux Box' makers sent me a W32 worm. From: Ben Ostrowsky To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 28 Jan 2002 10:26:07 -0500 Message-Id: <1012231567.16237.14.camel@bernie.tblc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug How sad. Monarch Computer Systems, featured in Linux Journal's "Ultimate Linux Box" article, just sent me a copy of the "My Party" worm from their RMA department. But it didn't have a valid RMA number on it, so I refused delivery. Ben From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 10:45:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA08901 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:45:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA08898 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:45:03 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28411 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:45:04 -0500 Received: from seth (653473hfc106.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.73.106]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0SFiRN14688 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:44:27 -0500 From: "Seth Hollen" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] The 'Ultimate Linux Box' makers sent me a W32 worm. Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:45:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I find that very funny... And bad publicity -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Ben Ostrowsky Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:26 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] The 'Ultimate Linux Box' makers sent me a W32 worm. How sad. Monarch Computer Systems, featured in Linux Journal's "Ultimate Linux Box" article, just sent me a copy of the "My Party" worm from their RMA department. But it didn't have a valid RMA number on it, so I refused delivery. Ben From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 10:48:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA08922 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:48:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA08919 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:48:49 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([24.92.194.245]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28431 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:48:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0SFnPx01887 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:49:25 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glenn Meyer Organization: Glenn Meyer To: "Slug" Subject: [SLUG] Need RPM assistance please... Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:49:25 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012810492500.01161@main> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hello All, I use RH7.1 During the install on this box, I selected to install the DHCP server. However, when going to configure the /etc/dhcpd.conf file, I find it is not there (that's where it put it on my other RH7.1 box). So, I tried to install DHCP server using the RPM from the CD. I am now stuck in a loop so to speak (please see below). When I try to either install or upgrade the package, it tells me it is already installed. When I try to remove or verify the package it tells me it is not installed. I tried using the command... rpm --rebuilddb but that didn't seem to make any difference. [root@main RPMS]# rpm -ihv dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] package dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10 is already installed [root@main RPMS]# rpm -V dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm package dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm is not installed [root@main RPMS]# rpm -e dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm error: package dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm is not installed [root@main RPMS]# How can I either repair this installation or remove it so I can reinstall DHCP? Thanks!! Glenn. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 11:03:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA08946 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:03:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA08943 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:03:14 -0500 Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA28479 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:03:15 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2002 16:02:40 -0000 Message-ID: <3C553005.7080108@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 06:03:33 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need RPM assistance please... References: <02012810492500.01161@main> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Glenn Meyer wrote: >Hello All, > >I use RH7.1 During the install on this box, I selected to install the DHCP >server. However, when going to configure the /etc/dhcpd.conf file, I find it >is not there (that's where it put it on my other RH7.1 box). > >So, I tried to install DHCP server using the RPM from the CD. I am now stuck >in a loop so to speak (please see below). When I try to either install or >upgrade the package, it tells me it is already installed. When I try to >remove or verify the package it tells me it is not installed. I tried using >the command... >rpm --rebuilddb but that didn't seem to make any difference. > >[root@main RPMS]# rpm -ihv dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm >Preparing... ########################################### [100%] >package dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10 is already installed >[root@main RPMS]# rpm -V dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm >package dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm is not installed >[root@main RPMS]# rpm -e dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm >error: package dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm is not installed >[root@main RPMS]# > >How can I either repair this installation or remove it so I can reinstall >DHCP? Thanks!! > Try: rpm -Uvh --replacepkgs or rpm -Uvh --force Gnorb _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 11:04:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA08956 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:04:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA08953 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:04:10 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28486 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:04:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0SG3ax28072 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:03:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:03:36 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: Slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need RPM assistance please... In-Reply-To: <02012810492500.01161@main> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Glenn Meyer wrote: > [root@main RPMS]# rpm -ihv dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm > Preparing... ########################################### [100%] > package dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10 is already installed > [root@main RPMS]# rpm -V dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm > package dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm is not installed > [root@main RPMS]# rpm -e dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm > error: package dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm is not installed > [root@main RPMS]# This is a common RPM newbie's error -- the package, not the versioned package is Verified or rEmoved -- run: rpm -V dhcpcd and it will work run: rpm -e dhcpcd and you may remove the package ... rpm -Uvh is a better way to do installs, for it will remove prior inconsistent content ... There is the RPM website -- http://www.rpm.org/ and the Red Hat sponsored mailing list, along with a couple others. If you have commentary on that website as to what would make it more useful, there is an editorial list for suggestions for improvement. (the site editor is your truly ...) -- Russ herrold From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 11:07:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA08975 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:07:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA08972 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:07:57 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28512 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:07:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0SG7Sx29975 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:07:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:07:28 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need RPM assistance please... In-Reply-To: <3C553005.7080108@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > rpm -Uvh --replacepkgs > > or > > rpm -Uvh --force Please no, on the latter ... --force and --nodeps are greatly overused -- and can truly damage a system. These should be a last resort, and not an early one. -- Russ herrold From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 11:32:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA09048 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:32:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA09045 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:32:20 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28652 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:32:20 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25749 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:31:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xbox From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20020127152241.41123.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020127152241.41123.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 28 Jan 2002 11:31:42 -0500 Message-Id: <1012235502.5539.39.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, 2002-01-27 at 10:22, ter swartz wrote: > I have not tried it myself, but have been > curious...the XBOX actually has some reasonablly good > hardware, for it's price (still don't want to buy one, > due to it's sponser). Some of the web sites that I > have looked at, such as http://www.xboxhacker.net and > others talk about loading Linux on the XBOX..which > would void the warrenty. If my plate wheren't so > full, this is something I could sink my teeth into. Good luck if you do. There have been comments from Microsoft Xbox PR/engineers that there is hardware in the Xbox that intimately ties it to the embedded windows stuff that all the games have to use. Some of the sites I've looked at have speculated that the nVidia chip itself may have hardware hooks to the OS as well. It will probably never run any other OS without some low-level resoldering. Considering that inside it's just a pretty average PC, I don't see it as being worth the effort myself. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 11:20:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA09017 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:20:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA09014 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:20:04 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28584 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:20:02 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25640 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:19:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partitioning utility From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C533053.8050203@yahoo.com> References: <007801c1a6d9$17917fd0$6501a8c0@pwcinternal.com> <3C533053.8050203@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 28 Jan 2002 11:19:24 -0500 Message-Id: <1012234764.5539.26.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sat, 2002-01-26 at 17:40, Norbert Cartagena wrote: > tufer wrote: > > >My laptop has recently been "upgraded" to W2K. The techs at work had to blow > >away my dual boot and linux partition. > > > >Now, my version of PartitionMagic no longer works with the new OS. Does > >anyone have any suggestions on how to partition my HD without losing the > >existing W2K install and without spending $70 for the latest PartitionMagic? > > > >Thanks > > > Well, you should actually be able to do it with any distro that uses a > built in partitioning/resizing tool as part of the install (SuSE and > Mandrake come to mind). I'm not sure of any other utility, though I'm > sure there's GOTTA be something out there. Which distro do you want to use? Unfortunately, because NTFS is considered "priprietary intellectual property" and not documented anywhere, I'm pretty certain that Partition Magic is the only soft that understands the NTFS filesystem and partition formats well enough to be able to effectively and safely resize it. I'm not saying this and you didn't hear it from me and it was never posted to this list because I'm not sure of the legality of this suggestion relative to various proprietary software licensing baloney, but you could always ask around and find someone who could let you use their copy of PM just long enough to resize that W2K partition and then give them their disks back... -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 11:23:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA09032 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:23:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA09029 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:23:25 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28611 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:23:22 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25688 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:22:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partitioning utility From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C5376FE.5050704@tampabay.rr.com> References: <007801c1a6d9$17917fd0$6501a8c0@pwcinternal.com> <3C5376FE.5050704@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 28 Jan 2002 11:22:43 -0500 Message-Id: <1012234963.5540.29.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sat, 2002-01-26 at 22:41, Ed Centanni wrote: > Since they "fscked" your laptop, make the famous sons of a snitch fix > it. Sit on their heads until they do. It shouldn't be YOUR problem. Yeah, but I know where Tom works and the techs there would say "We can't do that. It's against corporate policy." Assuming they knew thing one about Linux to begin with. They probably took the laptop, stuck an autoinstall disk or cd in the drive, let it churn away for 10 minutes, then handed it back and said "done." -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 11:27:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA09037 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:27:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA09034 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:27:03 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28632 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:27:03 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25715 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:26:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] IBM directly boosts Linux From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C5419A4.4030709@roblimo.com> References: <200201270825.g0R8P8X04036@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> <3C5419A4.4030709@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 28 Jan 2002 11:26:24 -0500 Message-Id: <1012235185.5540.33.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, 2002-01-27 at 10:15, Robin (Roblimo) Miller wrote: > While watching Pats walk over Steelers, saw new IBM "basketball" > commercial featuring "Linux, the new guy on the team who is going to > make all of you look better." Cut to executive suite, where one suit > gloats that Linux cost "peanuts," other asks why he plays so cheap, > first suit says, "because he loves the game." Huh... I missed that one. I guess it's one downside to the TiVo - you tend to miss the "good" commercials too. A fair tradeoff IMNSHO. The Steelers never even showed up for the game. The Eagles did. They just got outplayed. I *really* think Marshall Faulk is like a T-1000 class cyborg or something. He's just too inhumanly good at what he does. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 11:27:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA09042 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:27:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA09039 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:27:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([24.92.194.245]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28634 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:27:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0SGRhw02006 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:27:43 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glenn Meyer Organization: Glenn Meyer To: "Slug" Subject: [SLUG] Apache help, please Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:27:43 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012811274301.01161@main> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have a permissions problem somewhere that I need a little help with. I am trying to open up access to the users' home directorys to the web site. I am using the default (no changes excpet last dir in path from public_html to website) section of the /etc/hpptd/conf/httpd.conf noted here.... # # Control access to UserDir directories. The following is an example # for a site where these directories are restricted to read-only. # AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec Order allow,deny Allow from all Order deny,allow Deny from all I have also created the directory website and used the command.... chmod 775 website to open permissions. However, when I go to the site http://myipaddress/~username/ I still get the error "Forbidden You don't have permission....." What have I overlooked? Thanks!! Glenn Meyer. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 12:17:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA09097 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:17:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA09094 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:17:31 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([24.92.194.245]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28845 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:17:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0SHIBZ01246 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:18:11 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glenn Meyer Organization: Glenn Meyer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need RPM assistance please... Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:17:09 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012812170900.01191@main> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Russ, Thank you - That allowed me to remove the package and I used the command... rpm -Uhv dhcpcd......rpm to re-install it. However, I was still missing something. /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd was missing. /usr/sbin/dhcpd was missing. That's when id dawned on me that I was installing just the client. When I looked on CD #2, I found the other package for the daemon, installed it and it works. Thank you all for your help!!! I am working now. On Monday 28 January 2002 11:03 am, you wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Glenn Meyer wrote: > > [root@main RPMS]# rpm -ihv dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm > > Preparing... ########################################### > > [100%] package dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10 is already installed > > [root@main RPMS]# rpm -V dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm > > package dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm is not installed > > [root@main RPMS]# rpm -e dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm > > error: package dhcpcd-1.3.18pl8-10.i386.rpm is not installed > > [root@main RPMS]# > > This is a common RPM newbie's error -- the package, not the > versioned package is Verified or rEmoved -- run: > rpm -V dhcpcd > and it will work > > run: rpm -e dhcpcd > and you may remove the package > > ... rpm -Uvh is a better way to do installs, for it will > remove prior inconsistent content ... > > There is the RPM website -- http://www.rpm.org/ and the > Red Hat sponsored mailing list, along with a couple others. > If you have commentary on that website as to what would make > it more useful, there is an editorial list for suggestions for > improvement. (the site editor is your truly ...) > > -- Russ herrold From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 12:37:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA09140 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:37:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA09137 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:37:32 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28958 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:37:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0SHb2x27582 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:37:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:37:02 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: Slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] Apache help, please In-Reply-To: <02012811274301.01161@main> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Glenn Meyer wrote: > I have also created the directory website and used the command.... > chmod 775 website to open permissions. You do not mention setting the home directory 711 -- which is an RFE in doco in the httpd.conf which I requested and is a known issue. -- Russ Herrold From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 12:53:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA09156 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:53:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA09153 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:53:11 -0500 Received: from mp3.lenseinc.com (242819hfc177.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.19.177]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29012 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:53:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (kai@localhost) by mp3.lenseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15542 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:52:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mp3.lenseinc.com: kai owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:52:37 -0500 (EST) From: Kai Lien X-Sender: kai@mp3.lenseinc.com To: Slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] Apache help, please In-Reply-To: <02012811274301.01161@main> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Make sure you have this module, mod_userdir.c In your case, it would be like below UserDir website Also, you will need to change the permission of the user's home directory. For example, username is "anyone", # chmod a+rx /home/anyone That should solve your problem. Kai On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Glenn Meyer wrote: > > > I have a permissions problem somewhere that I need a little help with. I am > trying to open up access to the users' home directorys to the web site. I am > using the default (no changes excpet last dir in path from public_html to > website) section of the /etc/hpptd/conf/httpd.conf noted here.... > # > # Control access to UserDir directories. The following is an example > # for a site where these directories are restricted to read-only. > # > > AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit > Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec > > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > Order deny,allow > Deny from all > > > > I have also created the directory website and used the command.... > chmod 775 website to open permissions. > > However, when I go to the site http://myipaddress/~username/ > I still get the error "Forbidden You don't have permission....." > > What have I overlooked? > > Thanks!! > Glenn Meyer. > - -- Kai Lien DSA key ID 39BD44C0 Lense Consulting Company www.lenseco.com Fortune Cookie of the Day: Everyone is entitled to my opinion. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8VY/oztiWgzm9RMARAkAMAKCRA6wxG1AH6BqjFbLy7+DlZa/XfwCggPSE poOjIMR/urySopLGW7RlE0U= =TyQ4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 13:14:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA09176 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:14:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA09173 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:14:34 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29081 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:14:35 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA26514 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:14:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Apache help, please From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <02012811274301.01161@main> References: <02012811274301.01161@main> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 28 Jan 2002 13:13:57 -0500 Message-Id: <1012241637.5539.100.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 11:27, Glenn Meyer wrote: > > > I have a permissions problem somewhere that I need a little help with. I am > trying to open up access to the users' home directorys to the web site. I am > using the default (no changes excpet last dir in path from public_html to > website) section of the /etc/hpptd/conf/httpd.conf noted here.... [snip] > However, when I go to the site http://myipaddress/~username/ > I still get the error "Forbidden You don't have permission....." > > What have I overlooked? Do you have the userdir module either loaded or built-in? Also, are you setting the "UserDir" directive appropriately in the config file? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 13:36:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA09208 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:36:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA09205 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:36:22 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29166 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:36:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0SIZrx31338 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:35:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:35:53 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need RPM assistance please... In-Reply-To: <02012812170900.01191@main> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Glenn Meyer wrote: > Russ, Thank you - That allowed me to remove the package and I used the > command... > rpm -Uhv dhcpcd......rpm to re-install it. However, I was still missing > something. /etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd was missing. /usr/sbin/dhcpd was > missing. That's when id dawned on me that I was installing just the client. > When I looked on CD #2, I found the other package for the daemon, installed > it and it works. Not at all -- it like those pesky Frenchmen -- they've a different word for almost _everything_ -- Russ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 14:35:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA09255 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:35:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA09252 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:35:53 -0500 Received: from mail15b.boca15-verio.com (mail15b.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA29363 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:35:54 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 012898610 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:34:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C55A85F.6030700@roblimo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:37:03 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Slashdot view of Florida References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM855; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Last week I had some of the Slashdot & NewsForge crew come here for a few days to work on the "new" Linux.com we're preparing to launch in February. One took a picture of a neighbor's place that, he says, sums up the essence of Bradenton in a single photo. URL: http://slashfoundries.sourceforge.net/images/dcp_1742.jpg Everybody had a good time, though, and wants to come back. :) - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 15:45:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA09324 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:45:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA09321 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:45:13 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29680 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:45:14 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA27654 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:44:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slashdot view of Florida From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C55A85F.6030700@roblimo.com> References: <3C55A85F.6030700@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 28 Jan 2002 15:44:35 -0500 Message-Id: <1012250676.5540.112.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 14:37, Robin (Roblimo) Miller wrote: > > Last week I had some of the Slashdot & NewsForge crew come here for a > few days to work on the "new" Linux.com we're preparing to launch in > February. > > One took a picture of a neighbor's place that, he says, sums up the > essence of Bradenton in a single photo. > > URL: http://slashfoundries.sourceforge.net/images/dcp_1742.jpg It would be perfect if it had: * a car up on blocks somewhere in the photo * an out-of-state license plate on the main object in the photo (or elsewhere, but there would be perfect...) * a "Mickey" somewhere in the picture, like say a garden statue Otherwise, yep, that pretty much sums up Florida. (And I can't quite make it out, but if that tree is an Australian Pine, that's even better.) And I was born and raised here, so I'm allowed to say that. If whoever took that picture doesn't mind, I'd like to keep a copy of it around for when people ask me what Florida's like.... -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 17:16:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA09437 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:16:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA09434 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:16:25 -0500 Received: from marlborough.cnchost.com (marlborough.concentric.net [207.155.248.14]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30051 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:16:26 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by marlborough.cnchost.com id RAA06614; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:15:56 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16VKAb-0008Sg-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:22:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:22:00 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partitioning utility Message-ID: <20020128172200.A32469@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <007801c1a6d9$17917fd0$6501a8c0@pwcinternal.com> <3C5376FE.5050704@tampabay.rr.com> <1012234963.5540.29.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1012234963.5540.29.camel@two>; from dglidden@illusionary.com on Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 11:22:43AM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 11:22:43AM -0500, Derek Glidden wrote: > On Sat, 2002-01-26 at 22:41, Ed Centanni wrote: > > Since they "fscked" your laptop, make the famous sons of a snitch fix > > it. Sit on their heads until they do. It shouldn't be YOUR problem. > > Yeah, but I know where Tom works and the techs there would say "We can't > do that. It's against corporate policy." Assuming they knew thing one > about Linux to begin with. And these guys host our meetings?! (Sorry, Tom, I'm just raggin' on ya.) Paul From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 19:47:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA09585 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:47:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA09582 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:47:40 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30520 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:47:41 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653468hfc03.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.68.3]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0T0lBm19540 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:47:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C55F115.7020807@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:47:17 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slashdot view of Florida References: <3C55A85F.6030700@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM855; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug All it needs is a nudie bar and it's complete. Ed. Robin (Roblimo) Miller wrote: > > Last week I had some of the Slashdot & NewsForge crew come here for a > few days to work on the "new" Linux.com we're preparing to launch in > February. > > One took a picture of a neighbor's place that, he says, sums up the > essence of Bradenton in a single photo. > > URL: http://slashfoundries.sourceforge.net/images/dcp_1742.jpg > > Everybody had a good time, though, and wants to come back. :) > > - Robin > > > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 21:25:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA09640 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:25:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA09633 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:25:19 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30718 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:25:21 -0500 Received: from there (242855hfc73.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.55.73]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0T2Oot04238 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:24:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201290224.g0T2Oot04238@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Need Help with NVIDIA Drivers Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:29:04 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hello All I cannot get the NVIDIA kernel drivers to compile on my workstation. I have Mandrake 8.1 running kernel 2.4.8-34.1mdk Here is the output: [root@rwright NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-2313]# make install rm -f nv.o os-interface.o os-registry.o Module-linux nv_compiler.h NVdriver cc -c -Wall -Wno-unknown-pragmas -Wno-multichar -O -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -D_LOOSE_KERNEL_NAMES -D_X86_=1 -Di386=1 -DUNIX -DLINUX -DNV4_HW -DNTRM -DRM20 -D_GNU_SOURCE -DRM_HEAPMGR -D_LOOSE_KERNEL_NAMES -DNV_MAJOR_VERSION=1 -DNV_MINOR_VERSION=0 -DNV_PATCHLEVEL=2313 -I. -I/usr/include/linux nv.c In file included from nv.c:22: /usr/include/linux/modversions.h:1:2: #error Modules should never use kernel-headers system headers, /usr/include/linux/modversions.h:2:2: #error but headers from an appropriate kernel-source make: *** [nv.o] Error 1 I've checked that the path /usr/include/linux is the correct path to the kernel headers. I don't know what else to do. Any help would be appreciated.. Regards Russ W From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 21:40:17 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA09668 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:40:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA09665 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:40:16 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30763 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:40:18 -0500 Received: from midas.lan (6535194hfc52.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.194.52]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0T2dlN24360 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:39:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slashdot view of Florida From: Seth Hollen To: "Slug@Nks. Net" In-Reply-To: <3C55F115.7020807@tampabay.rr.com> References: <3C55A85F.6030700@roblimo.com> <3C55F115.7020807@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 28 Jan 2002 21:39:06 -0500 Message-Id: <1012271946.7628.0.camel@midas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Dale Mabry nuff said ;) Seth On Mon, 2002-01-28 at 19:47, Ed Centanni wrote: > All it needs is a nudie bar and it's complete. > > Ed. > > > Robin (Roblimo) Miller wrote: > > > > > Last week I had some of the Slashdot & NewsForge crew come here for a > > few days to work on the "new" Linux.com we're preparing to launch in > > February. > > > > One took a picture of a neighbor's place that, he says, sums up the > > essence of Bradenton in a single photo. > > > > URL: http://slashfoundries.sourceforge.net/images/dcp_1742.jpg > > > > Everybody had a good time, though, and wants to come back. :) > > > > - Robin > > > > > > > > -- Take care, Seth seth@hollen.org 727-919-1598 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 22:00:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA09678 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:00:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09675 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:00:56 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA30791 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:00:58 -0500 Received: (qmail 3376 invoked by uid 508); 29 Jan 2002 03:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (24.164.21.236) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 03:00:23 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.29] (helo=[192.168.2.29] ident=[uZkqYQQwznqEBX7tLTNwL98X24K9BpaX]) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16VOVF-0003KZ-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:00:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:00:09 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need Help with NVIDIA Drivers In-Reply-To: <200201290224.g0T2Oot04238@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug as my /usr/include/linux/modversions.h file says #error Modules should never use kernel-headers system headers, #error but rather headers from an appropriate kernel-source package. #error Change -I/usr/src/linux/include (or similar) to #error -I/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include #error to build against the currently-running kernel. you are trying to build a module.. so you need to compile with the headers that are used with your kernel.. you might need to install mandrakes kenrel source package to get these files. On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Russ Wright wrote: > Hello All > > I cannot get the NVIDIA kernel drivers to compile on my workstation. > I have Mandrake 8.1 running kernel 2.4.8-34.1mdk > > Here is the output: > [root@rwright NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-2313]# make install > rm -f nv.o os-interface.o os-registry.o Module-linux nv_compiler.h NVdriver > cc -c -Wall -Wno-unknown-pragmas -Wno-multichar -O -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE > -D_LOOSE_KERNEL_NAMES -D_X86_=1 -Di386=1 -DUNIX -DLINUX -DNV4_HW -DNTRM > -DRM20 -D_GNU_SOURCE -DRM_HEAPMGR -D_LOOSE_KERNEL_NAMES > -DNV_MAJOR_VERSION=1 -DNV_MINOR_VERSION=0 -DNV_PATCHLEVEL=2313 -I. > -I/usr/include/linux nv.c > In file included from nv.c:22: > /usr/include/linux/modversions.h:1:2: #error Modules should never use > kernel-headers system headers, > /usr/include/linux/modversions.h:2:2: #error but headers from an appropriate > kernel-source > make: *** [nv.o] Error 1 > > > I've checked that the path /usr/include/linux is the correct path to the > kernel headers. I don't know what else to do. > > Any help would be appreciated.. > > Regards > Russ W > > -- "Without documentation you can never know what the code was meant to do, only what it does" -- Rik van Riel (#kernelnewbies) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 22:23:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA09735 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:23:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09732 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:23:58 -0500 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30872 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:23:59 -0500 From: Doumbeck1@aol.com Received: from Doumbeck1@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 4.d2.12ed34ad (4159) for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:23:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:23:21 EST Subject: [SLUG] OSDN Editor To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Once again, I can't remember who it was that contacted me, but a few months ago the [chief] editor of the OSDN sites asked me about printing an article about Linux From Scratch. Anyway I have e-mailed you a few times back then, and I never got a response and so, I it got pushed aside for a bit. Well I would like to have the article published if you are still interested. It has been somewhat updated due to advances in the kernels and I have also added some other stuff, suck as standardization and such. Anyway if you are still interested please contact me off list. Scot Mc Pherson From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 28 22:04:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA09683 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:04:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09680 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:04:29 -0500 Received: from glatton.cnchost.com (glatton.cnchost.com [207.155.248.47]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30801 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:04:30 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by glatton.cnchost.com id WAA13635; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:03:47 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16VOfW-0000PW-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:10:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:10:35 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Pings etc. Message-ID: <20020128221035.H32469@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have a coyote firewall I'm trying to set up. All appears to be okay, EXCEPT.... This test is conducted with the following: ipchains -P input ACCEPT ipchains -P output ACCEPT ipchains -P forward MASQ Don't complain. This is just to ensure that it's not the firewall rules causing the problem. >From any machine on the network (and the firewall), I can ping www.suncoastlug.org. I cannot, however, ping www.quillandmouse.com. Now, I can traceroute or traceroute -I it. I can access the website(s). I can run host against them both. This coyote box is running dhcpcd and is connected to Verizon for DSL services. So I'm getting a dynamic IP. Verizon or dhcpcd puts some crap in the resolv.conf file that I don't want, like it specifies the "domain" and a "search" line. I normally only have "nameserver" lines in my resolv.conf. I thought maybe that was it, so I edited out everything but the nameservers, and added the XO nameservers (quillandmouse.com is on XO), just to make sure that there was no problem there. But I don't know if the resolv.conf is reread each time an IP address is needed. In any case, any experts out there know why I'd be able to do everything _but_ ping www.quillandmouse.com, and yet be able to do _anything_ to another host? Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 00:01:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA09799 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:01:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA09794 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:01:55 -0500 Received: from mp3.lenseinc.com (242819hfc177.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.19.177]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31099 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:01:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (kai@localhost) by mp3.lenseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16633 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:01:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mp3.lenseinc.com: kai owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:01:21 -0500 (EST) From: Kai Lien X-Sender: kai@mp3.lenseinc.com To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Pings etc. In-Reply-To: <20020128221035.H32469@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It is NOT responding to ping from my box as well. [ kai@mp3 /home/kai/bin]$ ping quillandmouse.com PING quillandmouse.com (207.155.248.31) from 192.168.1.4 : 56(84) bytes of data. - --- quillandmouse.com ping statistics --- 33 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss Perhaps, it is set up not to respond to icmp packets. My firewall box (Coyote Linux too) is setup that way. # Block PINGs from outside (Internet) /sbin/ipchains -A input -i eth1 -s 0/0 -p icmp --icmp-type ping -j DENY I guess they started preventive DDOS attack ;-) Kai On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Paul M Foster wrote: > I have a coyote firewall I'm trying to set up. All appears to be okay, > EXCEPT.... > > This test is conducted with the following: > > ipchains -P input ACCEPT > ipchains -P output ACCEPT > ipchains -P forward MASQ > > Don't complain. This is just to ensure that it's not the firewall rules > causing the problem. > > >From any machine on the network (and the firewall), I can ping > www.suncoastlug.org. I cannot, however, ping www.quillandmouse.com. Now, > I can traceroute or traceroute -I it. I can access the website(s). I can > run host against them both. > > This coyote box is running dhcpcd and is connected to Verizon for DSL > services. So I'm getting a dynamic IP. Verizon or dhcpcd puts some crap > in the resolv.conf file that I don't want, like it specifies the > "domain" and a "search" line. I normally only have "nameserver" lines in > my resolv.conf. I thought maybe that was it, so I edited out everything > but the nameservers, and added the XO nameservers (quillandmouse.com is > on XO), just to make sure that there was no problem there. But I don't > know if the resolv.conf is reread each time an IP address is needed. > > In any case, any experts out there know why I'd be able to do everything > _but_ ping www.quillandmouse.com, and yet be able to do _anything_ to > another host? > > Paul > - -- Kai Lien DSA key ID 39BD44C0 Lense Consulting Company www.lenseco.com Fortune Cookie of the Day: Goodbye, cool world. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8ViylztiWgzm9RMARAvLRAJ9qiKHvCaN4JSB20SkyOqH6uw4PpACcCkll VFs5w+eseG1g61GRzAJ3RiI= =Xwth -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 00:58:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA09865 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:58:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA09862 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:58:58 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31295 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:58:59 -0500 Received: from linux ([64.58.217.55]) by SANCTUM.COM with SMTP (IOA-IPAD 2.90a/96) id 3027300; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:02:12 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Missing files Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:02:42 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012901024200.00599@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id AAA09863 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hello Sluggers Am missing files in /etc/rc.d and/or /etc/init.d   I am running Suse 7.1 with the 2.4.7 kernel They just disappeared.  The directories are empty . No files at all. Stuff I put in boot or boot.local is not there. They have to exist somewhere because my boot message shows "running /etc/init.d/boot.local" Cannot be positively sure, but all was well until I did a Yast Online Update.  Anybody tell me what has happened here? Or, maybe send me (e-mail me privately) with the files that should be in these directories so that I can make things right again? I posted this message to the Suse list but nobody replied. Bob S. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 04:30:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA10864 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:30:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA10861 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:30:05 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32525 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:30:06 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt0a2n0b.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.25.11]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0T9TZm15919 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:29:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C566C8E.10476513@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:34:06 -0500 From: Anita Pesola X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slashdot view of Florida References: <3C55A85F.6030700@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Gee, Robin, does it run on Linux? LOL..... Anita "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" wrote: > Last week I had some of the Slashdot & NewsForge crew come here for a > few days to work on the "new" Linux.com we're preparing to launch in > February. > > One took a picture of a neighbor's place that, he says, sums up the > essence of Bradenton in a single photo. > > URL: http://slashfoundries.sourceforge.net/images/dcp_1742.jpg > > Everybody had a good time, though, and wants to come back. :) > > - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 07:02:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA11312 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:02:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA11309 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:02:22 -0500 Received: from femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.85]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00824 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:02:23 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.65.151]) by femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020129120147.DHVY23552.femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com@pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net> for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:01:47 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Missing files From: Logan To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <02012901024200.00599@linux> References: <02012901024200.00599@linux> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 29 Jan 2002 07:05:14 -0500 Message-Id: <1012305914.13917.4.camel@maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I skipped SuSE 7.1 I went from 7.0 to 7.2. Having said that, SuSE switched their set up somewhere in that time to be more like everyone else. Examples: >From using init 2 and 3 to using init 3 and 5 respectively. Also they moved all the init.d regalia from /sbin/init.d to /etc/init.d I would check in /etc/init.d you should find all the rc.d regalia there. If it is not in /etc/init.d Check in /sbin/init.d. I don't know if 7.1 or 7.2 was when then changed things to be more sane! ;) Logan On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 01:02, Bob Stia wrote: > Hello Sluggers > > Am missing files in /etc/rc.d and/or /etc/init.d > I am running Suse 7.1 with the 2.4.7 kernel > > They just disappeared. The directories are empty . > No files at all. Stuff I put in boot or boot.local is not there. > > They have to exist somewhere because my boot message shows > "running /etc/init.d/boot.local" > > Cannot be positively sure, but all was well until I did a > Yast Online Update. Anybody tell me what has happened here? > Or, maybe send me (e-mail me privately) with the files that should > be in these directories so that I can make things right again? > > I posted this message to the Suse list but nobody replied. > > Bob S. -- 7:00am up 9 days, 6:12, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.07, 0.41 Q: How many IBM CPU's does it take to execute a job? A: Four; three to hold it down, and one to rip its head off. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 07:07:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA11322 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:07:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA11319 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:07:16 -0500 Received: from bnfep03.boone.winstar.net (bnfep03w.boone.winstar.net [63.140.240.55]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00851 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:07:18 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([63.141.67.114]) by bnfep03.boone.winstar.net with ESMTP id <20020129120647.OAZW454.bnfep03@dallas.utilpart.com> for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:06:47 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:06:28 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A477@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Slashdot view of Florida Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:06:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Well, I guess by the time I got to see these postings the file is gone. Sure would like to see it. When I try to go there I get a "page can not be displayed" message. Of course it maybe NotLook here at the office, or the stinking M$ proxy that is causing the problem. -----Original Message----- From: Anita Pesola [mailto:jb2@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 04:34 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slashdot view of Florida Gee, Robin, does it run on Linux? LOL..... Anita "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" wrote: > Last week I had some of the Slashdot & NewsForge crew come here for a > few days to work on the "new" Linux.com we're preparing to launch in > February. > > One took a picture of a neighbor's place that, he says, sums up the > essence of Bradenton in a single photo. > > URL: http://slashfoundries.sourceforge.net/images/dcp_1742.jpg > > Everybody had a good time, though, and wants to come back. :) > > - Robin ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. 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Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 07:15:37 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA11330 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:15:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA11327 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:15:37 -0500 Received: from bnfep02.boone.winstar.net (bnfep02e.boone.winstar.net [63.140.240.54]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00893 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:15:38 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([63.141.67.114]) by bnfep02.boone.winstar.net with ESMTP id <20020129121508.HLX16433.bnfep02@dallas.utilpart.com> for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:15:08 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:14:48 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A478@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:14:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Here at my work place we deal with "MDT's" or Mobile Data Terminals, a draw over from the days when they were really data terminals. Now these devices are all hardened laptops, Panasonic makes one called the "ToughBook" I am planning to put LINUX on one of the ones we have setting around here doing nothing in order to see just how well it works. I also want to try to put it on Walkabout Computers famous Hammerhead (looks like a ETCH a SKETCH litterally) since we have a ton of those around here. I would like to see what all of those devices I can get LINUX on, as these things are beginning to show up in the used market (windoz demands so much of them that the ones that are only 2-4 years old are no longer real usefull) -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Wyatt [mailto:awyatt@bbsgamers.com] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 09:39 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: I have a Neomagic 256 in this Latitude CS, RH 7.2 picked it right up. :-) (Though if I had a choice, I wouldn't choose a NeoMagic based system again myself.) I've always had good luck with Linux on laptops (I've had it on dozens of them haha) In my experience it installed, and worked best on Compaq Armada series systems. On Sun, 2002-01-27 at 19:07, Robin (Roblimo) Miller wrote: > > > Bpreece wrote: > > > Dell Computers will still sell a Laptop Preloaded with RedHat , > > as for local none! > > > HOWEVER - the only Dell laptops availalable with Linux preloaded are > top-of-the-line models, available only with the most expensive service > plan Dell offers. This is sort of silly, since one reason to pick Linux > in the first place is that it needs less "computer power" to run well > than other operating systems. IBM also has the idea that Linux is used > only by people with lots of hardware money to spend. > > I have friends who have successfully installed Linux on bottom-cost Dell > Inspirons and have been happy with them. A Mandrake install is no big > deal; do it during commercials while watching TV. I do not personally > deal with Dell because Rob Malda and I have both had "bait and switch" > problems with their pricing, plus other lies. People who have not had > these problems with Dell love them. This is up to you. > > We have had good luck with HP Pavilion laptops and Linux. I personally > like the rounded case; it is easy on my wrists. Nice, bright display, too. > > I would try to avoid any laptop with the NeoMagic 256 audio chipset. > This sucker is a [phrase removed to placate religionists] to get going > with Linux. It *can* be done, but takes work. > > I will not personally buy an IBM or most Compaq laptops because I prefer > a touchpad to the the little tit-pointers they both use. This is a > personal preference only. > > The biggest problem with the HP Pavilion notebook is flimsy > construction. Mine has a cracked case from a drop, but works anyway. > > One suggestion on purchasing a laptop, aside from OS: get it at CompUSA > or from another retailer that offers an "all hazards" 3-year repair > policy of some sort. I know very few people whose laptops have not had a > problem or been damaged within the first year or two of their lives. > > - Robin > > > > > ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 08:06:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA11373 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:06:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA11366 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:06:39 -0500 Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01073 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:06:40 -0500 From: keith.kepner@us.pwcglobal.com Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id IAA06310; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xma005701; Tue, 29 Jan 02 08:02:20 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GQP00L5WAYKJ1@uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com>; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:03:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:05:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slashdot view of Florida To: slug@nks.net Cc: slug@lists.nks.net, slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 01/29/2002 08:06:37 AM Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Had to double-take the jpg...Having worked in Bradenton for 6 years, I'd say that picture could very well have come from the front page of Bradenton's Chamber of Commerce tourist pamphlet. Anita Pesola cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slashdot view of Florida slug@lists.nks .net 01/29/2002 04:34 AM Please respond to slug Gee, Robin, does it run on Linux? LOL..... Anita "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" wrote: > Last week I had some of the Slashdot & NewsForge crew come here for a > few days to work on the "new" Linux.com we're preparing to launch in > February. > > One took a picture of a neighbor's place that, he says, sums up the > essence of Bradenton in a single photo. > > URL: http://slashfoundries.sourceforge.net/images/dcp_1742.jpg > > Everybody had a good time, though, and wants to come back. :) > > - Robin ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Anita Pesola cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slashdot view of Florida slug@lists.nks .net 01/29/2002 04:34 AM Please respond to slug Gee, Robin, does it run on Linux? LOL..... Anita "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" wrote: > Last week I had some of the Slashdot & NewsForge crew come here for a > few days to work on the "new" Linux.com we're preparing to launch in > February. > > One took a picture of a neighbor's place that, he says, sums up the > essence of Bradenton in a single photo. > > URL: http://slashfoundries.sourceforge.net/images/dcp_1742.jpg > > Everybody had a good time, though, and wants to come back. :) > > - Robin ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 08:18:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA11392 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:18:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA11389 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:18:07 -0500 Received: from gtm1.glennmeyer.com (dt142nf5.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.194.245]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01110 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:18:08 -0500 Received: from main ([192.168.0.3]) by gtm1.glennmeyer.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0TDHtp01652 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:17:55 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glenn Meyer Organization: Glenn Meyer To: "Slug" Subject: [SLUG] Multilink Modems Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:18:43 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201290818430D.02178@main> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does anyone have any experience with MultiLink under Linux - two modems and two phone lines working together to double the bandwidth? I am moving to an area that does not have Cable Modems or DSL yet (maybe not for some time ). Because I telecommute, I need more than just a single 56K dialup connection. There is an ISP in the area that offers MultiLink connections for a reasonable price, but they are an all MS shop and don't speak LInux. I have found a little about it searching Google, but no current information. Can anyone help? I'm looking for answers to questions like.... 1.) Is it worth the extra hassle and expense (does it really work)? 2.) Do you have any instructions/tips/suggestions to make it work? 3.) Modem suggestions? Thanks a bunch! From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 09:47:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA11504 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:47:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA11501 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:47:50 -0500 Received: from web20508.mail.yahoo.com (web20508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.143]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA01440 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:47:51 -0500 Message-ID: <20020129144717.75745.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.23.26.253] by web20508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 06:47:17 PST Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 06:47:17 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox Subject: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops To: SLUG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Well I called Dell and they told me that they do not ship laptops preloaded with Linux :(. A question, does anyone have any experience running Linux on Toshiba laptops? Thanks, Carson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 09:53:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA11517 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:53:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA11514 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:53:28 -0500 Received: from web20508.mail.yahoo.com (web20508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.143]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA01477 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:53:29 -0500 Message-ID: <20020129145259.76878.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.23.26.253] by web20508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 06:52:59 PST Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 06:52:59 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox Subject: Re: [SLUG] Multilink Modems To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <0201290818430D.02178@main> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I do know someone who has done this, if you want I'll pass your email along to him? Also, you might want to check www.arcZip.com, they speak linux, I believe. www.isponline.ws offers multilink, but again, they dont' speak linux. Carson --- Glenn Meyer wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with MultiLink under > Linux - two modems and > two phone lines working together to double the > bandwidth? I am moving to an > area that does not have Cable Modems or DSL yet > (maybe not for some time ). > Because I telecommute, I need more than just a > single 56K dialup connection. > There is an ISP in the area that offers MultiLink > connections for a > reasonable price, but they are an all MS shop and > don't speak LInux. I have > found a little about it searching Google, but no > current information. Can > anyone help? I'm looking for answers to questions > like.... > > 1.) Is it worth the extra hassle and expense (does > it really work)? > 2.) Do you have any instructions/tips/suggestions to > make it work? > 3.) Modem suggestions? > > Thanks a bunch! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 11:12:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA11635 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:12:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11632 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:12:19 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01821 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:12:20 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA03892 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:11:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20020129144717.75745.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020129144717.75745.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 29 Jan 2002 11:11:40 -0500 Message-Id: <1012320701.5540.246.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 09:47, Carson Wilcox wrote: > Well I called Dell and they told me that they do not > ship laptops preloaded with Linux :(. > > A question, does anyone have any experience running > Linux on Toshiba laptops? Older models worked great, newer models are something to avoid. They tend to use proprietary chips for things like PCMCIA, IR, Video etc and don't release the specs, particularly with their PCMCIA chipsets. Sometimes you can get them to work just fine, sometimes kind of and sometimes not at all. Virtually noone doing Linux laptop work (like the PCMCIA project guys, the IR guys, the USB guys, etc) recommend buying Toshiba. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 10:33:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA11611 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:33:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA11608 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:33:32 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA01695 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:33:34 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ga196020 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:35:17 -0500 Message-ID: <04df01c1a8d9$b0b7f520$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <0201290818430D.02178@main> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Multilink Modems Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:29:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Try DirectTV, that have package called DirectPC. Internet to your PC via an 18' satellite dish. Primestar was taking about at one time a couple of years ago. It's not as fast (200k-400k downstream) and does use a analog phone line to initiate the connection and is used for upstream data. ISDN may also be available. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Meyer" To: "Slug" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:18 AM Subject: [SLUG] Multilink Modems > Does anyone have any experience with MultiLink under Linux - two modems and > two phone lines working together to double the bandwidth? I am moving to an > area that does not have Cable Modems or DSL yet (maybe not for some time ). > Because I telecommute, I need more than just a single 56K dialup connection. > There is an ISP in the area that offers MultiLink connections for a > reasonable price, but they are an all MS shop and don't speak LInux. I have > found a little about it searching Google, but no current information. Can > anyone help? I'm looking for answers to questions like.... > > 1.) Is it worth the extra hassle and expense (does it really work)? > 2.) Do you have any instructions/tips/suggestions to make it work? > 3.) Modem suggestions? > > Thanks a bunch! From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 11:26:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA11648 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:26:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11645 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:26:29 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01872 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:26:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0TGPwx14078 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:26:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:25:58 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OSDN Editor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 Doumbeck1@aol.com wrote: > Anyway I have e-mailed you a few times back then, and I never got a response > and so, I it got pushed aside for a bit. Well I would like to have the > article published if you are still interested. It has been somewhat updated > due to advances in the kernels and I have also added some other stuff, suck > as standardization and such. > > Anyway if you are still interested please contact me off list. hmmm ... the SLUG site will publish well written content, I believe ... Paul ? -- Russ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 11:31:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA11654 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:31:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11651 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:31:20 -0500 Received: from web20502.mail.yahoo.com (web20502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.137]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA01897 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:31:21 -0500 Message-ID: <20020129163042.36254.qmail@web20502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.23.26.253] by web20502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:30:42 PST Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:30:42 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1012320701.5540.246.camel@two> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks I appreciate the info, I had almost decided to go that way.. Carson --- Derek Glidden wrote: > On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 09:47, Carson Wilcox wrote: > > Well I called Dell and they told me that they do > not > > ship laptops preloaded with Linux :(. > > > > A question, does anyone have any experience > running > > Linux on Toshiba laptops? > > Older models worked great, newer models are > something to avoid. They > tend to use proprietary chips for things like > PCMCIA, IR, Video etc and > don't release the specs, particularly with their > PCMCIA chipsets. > Sometimes you can get them to work just fine, > sometimes kind of and > sometimes not at all. Virtually noone doing Linux > laptop work (like the > PCMCIA project guys, the IR guys, the USB guys, etc) > recommend buying > Toshiba. > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME > \ > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ > http://www.eff.org/ > http://www.anti-dmca.org/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 11:32:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA11659 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:32:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11656 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:32:38 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01905 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:32:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:herrold@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0TGW7x14639 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:32:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:32:07 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Pings etc. In-Reply-To: <20020128221035.H32469@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Paul M Foster wrote: > >From any machine on the network (and the firewall), I can ping > www.suncoastlug.org. I cannot, however, ping www.quillandmouse.com. Now, > I can traceroute or traceroute -I it. I can access the website(s). I can > run host against them both. I drop ICMP at the borders of some ISP's I admin for non-local non-next-hop traffic, due to Smurf attacks ... This would cause that symptom. -- Russ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 11:48:37 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA11667 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:48:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11664 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:48:36 -0500 Received: from jeremybowers.com (adsl-63-207-227-157.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net [63.207.227.157]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01931 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:48:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (ferret@localhost) by jeremybowers.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0TGhAV22454 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:43:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: jeremybowers.com: ferret owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:43:10 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bowers X-X-Sender: ferret@jeremybowers.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops In-Reply-To: <1012320701.5540.246.camel@two> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I've tried (and failed) to get RedHat 7.2 running on a Toshiba 1605CDS. It's a k6-2 400 or something like that. Wouldn't make it past formatting the drive - something about the IDE controller I suppose. I'd love to see some success stories - I'm only giving up until next weekend. :) -- This message courtesy of PINE! It's the fresh scent, not the graphics. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 12:39:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA11714 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:39:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA11711 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:39:37 -0500 Received: from webmasters.com (64.90.181.66.nyinternet.net [64.90.181.66]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA02100 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:39:39 -0500 Received: (qmail 13108 invoked by uid 48); 30 Jan 2002 06:26:42 -0000 Date: 30 Jan 2002 06:26:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20020130062642.13107.qmail@webmasters.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops From: awyatt@bbsgamers.com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: 4Mail by WEBMASTERS.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=b3cbadfc98584b58078536332876db810 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is a MIME encoded message. --b3cbadfc98584b58078536332876db810 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Virtually noone doing Linux laptop work (like the >PCMCIA project guys, the IR guys, the USB guys, >etc) recommend buying >Toshiba. I agree. Steer clear of Trident and NeoMagic video also. I've had good luck with Compaq Armada series. I think IBM actually sells a fe w laptops with Linux pre installed. --b3cbadfc98584b58078536332876db810-- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 12:42:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA11725 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:42:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA11722 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:42:22 -0500 Received: from webmasters.com (64.90.181.66.nyinternet.net [64.90.181.66]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA02115 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:42:24 -0500 Received: (qmail 12372 invoked by uid 48); 30 Jan 2002 06:22:15 -0000 Date: 30 Jan 2002 06:22:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20020130062215.12370.qmail@webmasters.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops From: awyatt@bbsgamers.com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: 4Mail by WEBMASTERS.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=b1000926bde4e1d37bb03ea614527a17a Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is a MIME encoded message. --b1000926bde4e1d37bb03ea614527a17a Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am running Linux on a Toshiba 4030CDT. You Wrote: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 06:47:17 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops Well I called Dell and they told me that they do not ship laptops preloaded with Linux :(. A question, does anyone have any experience running Linux on Toshiba laptops? Thanks, Carson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com --b1000926bde4e1d37bb03ea614527a17a-- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 12:42:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA11730 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:42:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA11727 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:42:39 -0500 Received: from glennmeyer.com (dt142nf5.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.194.245]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02118 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:42:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by glennmeyer.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0THhGM03440 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:43:16 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glenn Meyer Organization: Glenn Meyer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Multilink Modems Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:43:15 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0201290818430D.02178@main> <04df01c1a8d9$b0b7f520$4401a8c0@patrick> In-Reply-To: <04df01c1a8d9$b0b7f520$4401a8c0@patrick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201291243150M.02178@main> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks for the suggestions. I have explored those options as well. Unfortunately, ISDN is not available. I looked into satelite, but our network engineers have researched it and said that they have been told that non port 80 and 443 traffic is routed differently through their systems and proxies and that speeds on those systems will be limited to approximately dial-up speed. I can't work with that. However, I have NOT been able to confirm that. On Tuesday 29 January 2002 10:29 am, you wrote: > Try DirectTV, that have package called DirectPC. Internet to your PC via > an 18' satellite dish. Primestar was taking about at one time a couple of > years ago. It's not as fast (200k-400k downstream) and does use a analog > phone line to initiate the connection and is used for upstream data. ISDN > may also be available. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Meyer" > To: "Slug" > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:18 AM > Subject: [SLUG] Multilink Modems > > > Does anyone have any experience with MultiLink under Linux - two modems > > and > > > two phone lines working together to double the bandwidth? I am moving to > > an > > > area that does not have Cable Modems or DSL yet (maybe not for some > > time ). > > > Because I telecommute, I need more than just a single 56K dialup > > connection. > > > There is an ISP in the area that offers MultiLink connections for a > > reasonable price, but they are an all MS shop and don't speak LInux. I > > have > > > found a little about it searching Google, but no current information. > > Can anyone help? I'm looking for answers to questions like.... > > > > 1.) Is it worth the extra hassle and expense (does it really work)? > > 2.) Do you have any instructions/tips/suggestions to make it work? > > 3.) Modem suggestions? > > > > Thanks a bunch! From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 12:52:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA11738 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:52:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA11735 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:52:39 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02149 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:52:40 -0500 Received: from rr (653267hfc110.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.110]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0THq9X21647 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:52:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004701c1a8ee$0b42e220$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:54:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey Carson, The Toshiba's usually have a high display failure. They also have some pcmcia and ir problems if my memory suits me. I was going to buy one of the Portege , or Satellite but found out that they also have a very poor design and start cracking along the base to the display area. You would be better off with a Compaq to a Toshiba. The Persarios are nice and usually have no problem installing S.u.S.E. 7.1 or 7.2 , Redhat 7.1 , Mandrake 8.0 or 8.1 on my XL1200 model 111. It has been replaced by much newer model now but they do work quiet well and I got a extra batter for mine right at Best buys they carry them :). If you want to go for a higher end Compaq the Armada's are nice. Also like Robin Miller mentioned the HP's are nice too. Also up to 2 months ago it was offered from Dell for getting Redhat I guess they again changed that because one of my best friends Purchased a Inspirion the model next to the 8100 and he like's it and it is a nice unit. Just check a few sites out before you buy a Laptop , One the company that makes the Distro that you want, Two http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ this site usually give ton's of information on the model and distro's compatibility as well. Get a reliable brand, and one that accessories are easy to get and that you can find places authorized to service them! Unless like Dell they come to you! Bill Preece. -----Original Message----- From: Carson Wilcox To: SLUG Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:51 AM Subject: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops >Well I called Dell and they told me that they do not >ship laptops preloaded with Linux :(. > >A question, does anyone have any experience running >Linux on Toshiba laptops? > >Thanks, >Carson > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! >http://auctions.yahoo.com > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 13:40:48 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA11828 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:40:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA11825 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:40:48 -0500 Received: from web20504.mail.yahoo.com (web20504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.139]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA02361 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:40:49 -0500 Message-ID: <20020129184018.82276.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.23.26.253] by web20504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:40:18 PST Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:40:18 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <004701c1a8ee$0b42e220$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks, I did call Dell and they told me that don't ship laptops with linux installed, unless I just got some yoyo that didn't have a clue. I do appreciate the advice. Thanks, Carson --- Bpreece wrote: > Hey Carson, > The Toshiba's usually have a high display failure. > They also have some pcmcia and ir problems if > my memory suits me. I was going to buy one of the > Portege , or Satellite but found out that they also > have a very poor > design and start cracking along the base to the > display > area. > > You would be better off with a Compaq to a Toshiba. > The Persarios are nice and usually have no problem > installing > S.u.S.E. 7.1 or 7.2 , Redhat 7.1 , Mandrake 8.0 or > 8.1 > on my XL1200 model 111. It has been replaced by much > newer model now but they do work quiet well and I > got a extra batter > for mine right at Best buys they carry them :). > > If you want to go for a higher end Compaq the > Armada's are nice. > Also like Robin Miller mentioned the HP's are nice > too. > > Also up to 2 months ago it was offered from Dell for > getting Redhat > I guess they again changed that because one of my > best friends Purchased > a Inspirion the model next to the 8100 and he > like's it and it is a nice > unit. > > Just check a few sites out before you buy a Laptop , > One the company that > makes > the Distro that you want, Two > http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ this site > usually give ton's > of information on the model and distro's > compatibility as well. > > Get a reliable brand, and one that accessories are > easy to get and that you > can find > places authorized to service them! Unless like Dell > they come to you! > > > Bill Preece. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carson Wilcox > To: SLUG > Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:51 AM > Subject: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops > > > >Well I called Dell and they told me that they do > not > >ship laptops preloaded with Linux :(. > > > >A question, does anyone have any experience running > >Linux on Toshiba laptops? > > > >Thanks, > >Carson > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > >http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 13:20:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA11776 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:20:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA11773 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:20:18 -0500 Received: from web20505.mail.yahoo.com (web20505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.140]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA02264 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:20:19 -0500 Message-ID: <20020129181949.78716.qmail@web20505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.23.26.253] by web20505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:19:49 PST Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:19:49 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox Subject: Re: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20020130062642.13107.qmail@webmasters.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The Armada seems a bit pricy. Any info on the Presario or Evo? I'm using a Fijutsu at the moment, I guess I could stay with them, I know that works, just not crazy about the style. Carson --- awyatt@bbsgamers.com wrote: > > > >Virtually noone doing Linux laptop work (like the > >PCMCIA project guys, the IR guys, the USB guys, > >etc) recommend buying > >Toshiba. > > I agree. Steer clear of Trident and NeoMagic video > also. I've had good luck with Compaq Armada series. > I think IBM actually sells a fe w laptops with Linux > pre installed. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 13:30:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA11814 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:30:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA11811 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:30:14 -0500 Received: from glennmeyer.com (dt142nf5.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.194.245]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02323 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:30:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by glennmeyer.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0TIUpF03505 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:30:51 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glenn Meyer Organization: Glenn Meyer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:30:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20020130062642.13107.qmail@webmasters.com> In-Reply-To: <20020130062642.13107.qmail@webmasters.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201291330510Q.02178@main> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have installed RH7.0 and 7.1 on my IBM ThinkPad 390E and RedHat found everything - sound, video, pcmcia and network cards, everything! The only thing I am unsure of is the built in Modem. I never had cause to use it. I think it was a Lucent WinModem, so I doubt that it did. But other than the modem that I never wanted to use, I was very impressed. On Wednesday 30 January 2002 01:26 am, you wrote: > >Virtually noone doing Linux laptop work (like the > >PCMCIA project guys, the IR guys, the USB guys, >etc) recommend buying > >Toshiba. > > I agree. Steer clear of Trident and NeoMagic video also. I've had good luck > with Compaq Armada series. I think IBM actually sells a fe w laptops with > Linux pre installed. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 14:02:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA11883 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:02:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA11880 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:02:53 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA02494 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:02:54 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id sa196032 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:04:49 -0500 Message-ID: <051101c1a8f6$e3e80760$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <0201290818430D.02178@main> <04df01c1a8d9$b0b7f520$4401a8c0@patrick> <0201291243150M.02178@main> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Multilink Modems Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:58:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug True. Outgoing traffic from your box would, in fact, be going through the dialup. Only incoming traffic is coming through the satellite dish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Meyer" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Multilink Modems > Thanks for the suggestions. I have explored those options as well. > Unfortunately, ISDN is not available. I looked into satelite, but our > network engineers have researched it and said that they have been told that > non port 80 and 443 traffic is routed differently through their systems and > proxies and that speeds on those systems will be limited to approximately > dial-up speed. I can't work with that. However, I have NOT been able to > confirm that. > > On Tuesday 29 January 2002 10:29 am, you wrote: > > Try DirectTV, that have package called DirectPC. Internet to your PC via > > an 18' satellite dish. Primestar was taking about at one time a couple of > > years ago. It's not as fast (200k-400k downstream) and does use a analog > > phone line to initiate the connection and is used for upstream data. ISDN > > may also be available. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Glenn Meyer" > > To: "Slug" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:18 AM > > Subject: [SLUG] Multilink Modems > > > > > Does anyone have any experience with MultiLink under Linux - two modems > > > > and > > > > > two phone lines working together to double the bandwidth? I am moving to > > > > an > > > > > area that does not have Cable Modems or DSL yet (maybe not for some > > > > time ). > > > > > Because I telecommute, I need more than just a single 56K dialup > > > > connection. > > > > > There is an ISP in the area that offers MultiLink connections for a > > > reasonable price, but they are an all MS shop and don't speak LInux. I > > > > have > > > > > found a little about it searching Google, but no current information. > > > Can anyone help? I'm looking for answers to questions like.... > > > > > > 1.) Is it worth the extra hassle and expense (does it really work)? > > > 2.) Do you have any instructions/tips/suggestions to make it work? > > > 3.) Modem suggestions? > > > > > > Thanks a bunch! From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 15:11:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA12049 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:11:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA12046 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:11:51 -0500 Received: from web20502.mail.yahoo.com (web20502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.137]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02776 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:11:52 -0500 Message-ID: <20020129201121.11893.qmail@web20502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.23.26.253] by web20502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:11:21 PST Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:11:21 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox Subject: Re: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <0201291330510Q.02178@main> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I appreciate all the response. I think as it stands now I'll probably go with another fujitsu as I get a discount and the one I have currently works great. I'll check linux-laptop just to be sure they haven't screwed up anything in the newer models however. Thanks, Carson --- Glenn Meyer wrote: > I have installed RH7.0 and 7.1 on my IBM ThinkPad > 390E and RedHat found > everything - sound, video, pcmcia and network cards, > everything! The only > thing I am unsure of is the built in Modem. I never > had cause to use it. I > think it was a Lucent WinModem, so I doubt that it > did. But other than the > modem that I never wanted to use, I was very > impressed. > > On Wednesday 30 January 2002 01:26 am, you wrote: > > >Virtually noone doing Linux laptop work (like the > > >PCMCIA project guys, the IR guys, the USB guys, > >etc) recommend buying > > >Toshiba. > > > > I agree. Steer clear of Trident and NeoMagic video > also. I've had good luck > > with Compaq Armada series. I think IBM actually > sells a fe w laptops with > > Linux pre installed. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 15:28:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA12090 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:28:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA12087 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:28:25 -0500 Received: from uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com (uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com [12.26.159.121]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02831 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:28:27 -0500 From: tom.ufer@us.pwcglobal.com Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id PAA13550; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:24:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xma011252; Tue, 29 Jan 02 15:23:32 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GQP00G78VDTWQ@uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by uxtpaprx1.pwcglobal.com; id PAA05395; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(10.26.104.81) by uxtpaprx1.nam.pwcinternal.com via smap (V5.5) id xma003643; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:19:31 -0500 Received: from us-amsmta005.nam.pwcinternal.com (us-amsmta005.us.pw.com) by uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3932) with ESMTP id <0GQP008I5V74BQ@uxtpabuf1.nam.pwcinternal.com> for slug-posters@nks.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:21:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:26:13 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] re: partitioning utility To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.6 |December 14, 2000) at 01/29/2002 03:26:44 PM Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Derek is absolutely correct. I mention the word Linux and their eyes glaze over... I will win them over, it is only a matter of time. I heard my firm will actually have a Linux standard for servers and workstations someday soon. Oh yeah, Derek, I sent you a private e-mail ;-) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 16:09:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA12530 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:09:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA12527 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:09:13 -0500 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03276 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:09:14 -0500 Received: from 653269hfc64.tampabay.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.32.69.64) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2002 21:08:43 -0000 Message-ID: <3C570F7B.2020801@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:09:15 -0500 From: Norbert Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops References: <20020129184018.82276.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------000200010605090905020409" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --------------000200010605090905020409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Carson Wilcox wrote: >Thanks, > >I did call Dell and they told me that don't ship >laptops with linux installed, unless I just got some >yoyo that didn't have a clue. >I do appreciate the advice. > >Thanks, >Carson > They're right, they don't, but.... "Dell continues to support Linux customers on a variety of client and server products both through factory installation and Linux vendor certification. Dell offers the latest release of Red Hat® Linux 7.2 on its Precision Workstation and PowerEdge Server lines to customers who range from corporate professionals to performance computing enthusiasts through multiple ordering mechanisms, including over the internet. For customers who develop their own Linux image using Red Hat or another Linux distribution, Dell will install their image on OptiPlex desktop and Latitude portable computers through Dell's custom factory integration services . In addition, Dell has Linux available across its other product lines (Dimension and Inspiron) through DellWare to support the many Linux user's who are installing the operating system themselves. Dell Precision and PowerEdge offer special technical support queues trained to support the need of technical users. In addition to the award-winning support Dell provides all customers, Dell utilizes a dedicated support team which is trained to support the hardware, application, and software needs of Linux users and is also partnered with LinuxCare and Red Hat for in-depth support. Dell continues to develop drivers and provide those as open source into the Linux development community." Gnorb --------------000200010605090905020409-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 17:34:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA12696 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:34:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA12693 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:34:44 -0500 Received: from web12506.mail.yahoo.com (web12506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.198]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA03637 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:34:46 -0500 Message-ID: <20020129223415.46896.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.35.252.12] by web12506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:34:15 PST Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:34:15 -0800 (PST) From: ter swartz Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xbox To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1012235502.5539.39.camel@two> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug http://web.mit.edu/bunnie/www/ This guy has taken it pretty far...I will probably follow his ramblings. 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Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 17:53:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA12730 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:53:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA12727 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:53:07 -0500 Received: from gandalf.mptotalcare.com ([63.150.250.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03730 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:53:08 -0500 Received: from rufus.mptotalcare.com (rufus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.21]) by gandalf.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA32450 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:52:38 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by rufus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA10697 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:52:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rufus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] Multilink Modems From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <051101c1a8f6$e3e80760$4401a8c0@patrick> References: <0201290818430D.02178@main> <04df01c1a8d9$b0b7f520$4401a8c0@patrick> <0201291243150M.02178@main> <051101c1a8f6$e3e80760$4401a8c0@patrick> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 29 Jan 2002 17:52:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1012344758.4648.23.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 13:58, Patrick Grantham wrote: > True. Outgoing traffic from your box would, in fact, be going through the > dialup. Only incoming traffic is coming through the satellite dish There is always Direcway... http://www.hns.com/direcway/for_home/home.htm http://www.hns.com/direcway/for_home/how_to_get_it/getting_direcway.htm Matt From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 18:33:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA12766 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:33:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA12763 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:33:34 -0500 Received: from morpheus-ssn.nks.net (morpheus.nks.net [216.139.201.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03908 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:33:36 -0500 Received: from mta020.verizon.net (mta020pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.42]) by morpheus-ssn.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12701 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:33:05 -0500 Received: from there ([24.96.63.146]) by mta020.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020129233205.DZUP4099.mta020.verizon.net@there> for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:32:05 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: A2L1 To: Subject: [SLUG] about ELX Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:28:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020129233205.DZUP4099.mta020.verizon.net@there> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just downloaded both cds and installed it on an older box. First this box gave me trouble with SuSE (couldnt set a suitable monitor/card combo) and Mandrake---used both 8.1 and 8.2(cooker) same prob as with SuSE but amplified. Neither one,and I do use SuSE on one of my other boxes---love it, would install without balking on this old hardware. The box is an old 333 using s3 verge card and AD 1815 sound card. Here is the surprize ELX not only installed but did it without burping, and it workin fine. I dont think its a distro I would be real comfy with(epecially the double clicking) but my wife was real comfortable with it and even liked it---go figure. Maybe Linux will gain a user base with a distro like this---easy install---everything worked out of the box, and my wife who could care less what kind of OS it is as long as it does what its supposed to do liked it and was usin it right out of the box. There may be a desktop future for Linux with a distro like this The "out of the box" referral means no tweaking involved, zero,zilch. Anyway thats my two cents worth A J -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8VzAqxz7sWGFN55sRAsRLAJ9nf0FSMSgMjQ3A8w46PiTojHdhIQCfVKY0 Uw0IOcfsX4gORuhfsrs+2ew= =LXHj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 19:50:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA12850 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:50:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA12847 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:50:38 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04219 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:50:39 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (242855hfc73.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.55.73]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0U0o8t24115 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:50:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops From: Russ Wright To: slug In-Reply-To: <20020129144717.75745.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020129144717.75745.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 29 Jan 2002 19:54:24 -0500 Message-Id: <1012352066.1853.4.camel@rwright.desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have a Toshiba 1605CDS with Mandrake 8.1. I am able to use every feature of the laptop without problems. The only part that was difficult was getting the modem to work. I found a driver for it, as it is a winmodem, and now it works too. I have a pcmcia nic and it functions perfectly. I use my laptop for everyday development in java and C++ without issue. My only dissapointment is the battery life, which really has nothing to do with the OS, but my next laptop will have a lithium battery. I've looked at many IBM laptops and I think I will buy one of those next. Regards Russ W On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 09:47, Carson Wilcox wrote: > Well I called Dell and they told me that they do not > ship laptops preloaded with Linux :(. > > A question, does anyone have any experience running > Linux on Toshiba laptops? > > Thanks, > Carson > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 20:29:44 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA12874 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:29:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA12871 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:29:44 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04340 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:29:45 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (242825hfc43.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.25.43]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0U1TEt09953 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:29:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops From: "Michael J. Hoffman" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20020129163042.36254.qmail@web20502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020129163042.36254.qmail@web20502.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 29 Jan 2002 20:23:50 -0500 Message-Id: <1012353832.1497.5.camel@oreo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 11:30, Carson Wilcox wrote: > Thanks I appreciate the info, I had almost decided to > go that way.. > > Carson > --- Derek Glidden wrote: > Linux on Toshiba laptops? > > > > Older models worked great, newer models are > > something to avoid. Sorry I apparently missed the beginning of this... what was the reason *not* to use a Dell? Dell machines are for the most part loaded with very standard chipsets and circuits... and Linux works well on most of the current breed of Dell laptops (with the possible exception of the ultrthin "blade" type that I can't claim experience with). Most of the Dell hardware is recognized automatically; possibly some of the older models with NeoMagic chips could give you an issue but the newer stuff is mostly ATI and now nVidia. Or perhaps you wanted it to *ship* with Linux? Well we can't have everything (yet) :-) MH++ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 21:38:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA13014 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:38:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA13011 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:38:07 -0500 Received: from femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.144]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04602 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:38:08 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.65.151]) by femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020130023725.VUU20324.femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com@pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net> for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:37:25 -0800 Subject: [SLUG] Regarding Dell was Re: Linux on Laptops From: Logan To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1012353832.1497.5.camel@oreo> References: <20020129163042.36254.qmail@web20502.mail.yahoo.com> <1012353832.1497.5.camel@oreo> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 29 Jan 2002 21:40:34 -0500 Message-Id: <1012358451.27374.8.camel@maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I do not tout one computer maker over another, as I build my of company's servers. But when I have to order laptops, the Dell Inspiron 4000 has been most excellent; with the exception of mine almost being hurled across the hotel room when Mind Flayers sucked the brain out of a most excellent character, resulting in his immediate death, while I was playing, "Nethack." If you are hardware literate, the Dell folks will do what you like. Even if you use Debian or SuSE linux vice Redhat. =) Logan the SuSE user. On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 20:23, Michael J. Hoffman wrote: > On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 11:30, Carson Wilcox wrote: > > Thanks I appreciate the info, I had almost decided to > > go that way.. > > > > Carson > > --- Derek Glidden wrote: > > Linux on Toshiba laptops? > > > > > > Older models worked great, newer models are > > > something to avoid. > > Sorry I apparently missed the beginning of this... what was the reason > *not* to use a Dell? Dell machines are for the most part loaded with > very standard chipsets and circuits... and Linux works well on most of > the current breed of Dell laptops (with the possible exception of the > ultrthin "blade" type that I can't claim experience with). > > Most of the Dell hardware is recognized automatically; possibly some of > the older models with NeoMagic chips could give you an issue but the > newer stuff is mostly ATI and now nVidia. > > Or perhaps you wanted it to *ship* with Linux? Well we can't have > everything (yet) :-) > > MH++ > > > -- 9:30pm up 9 days, 20:42, 4 users, load average: 0.10, 0.09, 0.07 Peanut Blossoms 4 cups sugar 16 tbsp. milk 4 cups brown sugar 4 tsp. vanilla 4 cups shortening 14 cups flour 8 eggs 4 tsp. soda 4 cups peanut butter 4 tsp. salt Shape dough into balls. Roll in sugar and bake on ungreased cookie sheet at 375 F. for 10-12 minutes. Immediately top each cookie with a Hershey's kiss or star pressing down firmly to crack cookie. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 21:40:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA13025 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:40:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA13022 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:40:33 -0500 Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04615 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:40:35 -0500 From: dazie@mindspring.com Received: from user-33qtsn6.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.242.230] helo=dazieamd450) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16VkfJ-0000Kj-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:40:03 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c1a8d3$cc6017e0$e6f2aec7@dazieamd450> To: Subject: [SLUG] RE ELX Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:46:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug HI Gays and Gals I run Elx linux on my laptop I love it maybe this will be the distro for woman to run I have had alot of different distros on my computers I myself still love mandrake and I have try just about every linux distro out there. So far my two favorites are Mandrake and Elx I am going to try Linwindos and see whats its like . Diana From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 21:04:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA12941 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:04:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA12938 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:04:14 -0500 Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp1.ij.net [207.100.203.149]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA04456 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:04:15 -0500 Received: (qmail 66261 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2002 02:07:04 -0000 Received: from adsl-87-201.adsl.ij.net (HELO ij.net) (209.216.87.201) by smtp1-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2002 02:07:04 -0000 Message-ID: <3C57555C.D6D41B4C@ij.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:07:24 -0500 From: Scott Piper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18pre21 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops References: <20020129201121.11893.qmail@web20502.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug In that case, check out the Fujitsu Lifebook P, which is the cool lightweight model that uses the Transmeta CPU and has a slew of ports and features and retails for about $1500 (If I bought it I would up the RAM and possibly get the long range battery which will last about 7 hrs time) It supposedly works well with Linux. http://www.fujitsupc.com/www/products_notebooks.shtml?products/notebooks/p_series scott Carson Wilcox wrote: > I appreciate all the response. I think as it stands > now I'll probably go with another fujitsu as I get a > discount and the one I have currently works great. > > I'll check linux-laptop just to be sure they haven't > screwed up anything in the newer models however. > > Thanks, > Carson From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 22:42:36 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA13063 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:42:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA13060 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:42:36 -0500 Received: from thunderer.cnchost.com (thunderer.concentric.net [207.155.252.72]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04756 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:42:37 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by thunderer.cnchost.com id WAA25015; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:41:57 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16VlkG-0002cK-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:49:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:49:04 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OSDN Editor Message-ID: <20020129224904.A10006@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from herrold@owlriver.com on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:25:58AM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:25:58AM -0500, Russ Herrold wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 Doumbeck1@aol.com wrote: > > > Anyway I have e-mailed you a few times back then, and I never got > a response > > and so, I it got pushed aside for a bit. Well I would like to have the > > article published if you are still interested. It has been somewhat > updated > > due to advances in the kernels and I have also added some other stuff, suck > > as standardization and such. > > > > Anyway if you are still interested please contact me off list. > > hmmm ... the SLUG site will publish well written content, I > believe ... Paul ? > Indeed. If accepted by OSDN, there may be copyright issues. But the piece was well written, so I'd take it if OSDN has no problems with that. Most publishers don't take articles "on spec". That is, they want to know what it is, approve the idea and see a sample before they accept something. I'd approach this the same way, if anyone wants to write something for SLUG. Let me know what you have in mind and let me see a sample. Of course, realize that if you get published on the SLUG site, it's more like microseconds of fame. ;-} Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 29 22:50:36 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA13085 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:50:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA13082 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:50:36 -0500 Received: from repulse.cnchost.com (repulse.concentric.net [207.155.248.4]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04785 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:50:37 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by repulse.cnchost.com id WAA25167; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:50:05 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16Vls9-0002d5-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:57:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:57:17 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops Message-ID: <20020129225717.B10006@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <004701c1a8ee$0b42e220$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <20020129184018.82276.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020129184018.82276.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com>; from carson_wilcox@yahoo.com on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 10:40:18AM -0800 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 10:40:18AM -0800, Carson Wilcox wrote: > Thanks, > > I did call Dell and they told me that don't ship > laptops with linux installed, unless I just got some > yoyo that didn't have a clue. > I do appreciate the advice. > No one's mentioned it, and I don't know anything about the company, but... http://www.tuxtops.com HTH, Paul From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 00:58:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA13139 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:58:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA13136 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:57:59 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05175 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:58:00 -0500 Received: from rr (653267hfc110.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.110]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0U5vUm01365 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:57:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801c1a953$5cd7a2a0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:00:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Tux Top The only thing I find wrong is this Qli700LLPi - $1,559.00 (Intel Celeron 700MHz) Almost $1,600.00 for a Celeron running 700mhz is quite a bit steep.Also not much more you can do to this 15.1" SXGA+ Display - 1400 x 1050 Max Resolution ATI Rage Mobility 16MB AGP Graphics Adapter Intel Pentium III Processor, up to 1GHz Available 256MB SDRAM (512MB Max) 20GB EIDE Hard Drive 24x CD-ROM Optional CD-RW, or 8x DVD-ROM Optional 4X CD-RW / 8x DVD-ROM Combo Drive Optional Docking Station with onboard 10/100 network port Internal 1.44MB Floppy Drive Internal 56K Modem Onboard Ports: Headphone, Line In, and Microphone Jacks S-Video / SVGA Video Outputs 2 Type II PCMCIA Slots 1 USB, 1 Serial (9 Pin) 1 Parallel Port, 1 PS/2 Port Dimensions and weight: 10.2" W x 12.76" D x 1.5" H, 7.8 lbs Other Features: Your choice of distribution Pre-Installed StarOffice 5.2 Pre-Installed Loki Entertainment Demo CD QliTech Rescue CD QliTech Quick Start Guide 1 yr. parts and labor warranty Extended Warranties Available Free E-Mail Support <-----Problem No Suppoort by Phone Toll Free ? Also no NIC! this is a $70.00 addition to ad buying local store Dell It's a Refurb but with full warranty! SYSTEM SPECIFICATION Inspiron 8100 (Service Tag No. 8BS8011) Discounted Price $1,223.00 Dell Inspiron 8100 Notebook: Intel® Pentium® III Processor 866 MHz-M 15in UltraXGA TFT Display <-- Not Celeron! +166mhz faster 133 MHz Pentium® III external BUS frequency Intel® 815ep AGPSet Chipset with 4X AGP Memory: 256MB PC133 SDRAM (2 DIMMs) upgradeable to 512 MB maximum 2 SoDIMM sockets, both are user-accessible Floppy Drive: 1.44 MB Floppy Disk Drive Hard Disk Drive: 20 GB EIDE Hard Drive Ultra ATA hard drive (4200 RPM) Support up to 60 gig Video: 16MB ATI Mobility M4™ 3D Video,4XAGP 15 inch Ultra XGA TFT active-matrix display with 1600 x 1200 resolution <--Higher resolution Modem: Internal 56K Capable V.90 + 10/100 Mini-PCI Combo CD ROM Drive: 24X Max Variable CD-ROM Drive (fixed bay) Connectors: (2) Type I or Type II cards or (1) Type III card 3.3 and 5 V cards supported Warm-swap Capable <-Better range of cards I/O Ports IEEE 1394 integrated port 9-pin serial connector 25-hole pin parallel connector Serial infrared communications port (lrDA-1.1 compliant) Audio jacks: headphones (same as line-out), external mic-in, 1 line-in/audio-in Internal Included: Harmon/Kardon Premium Audio Sound System ESS Maestro 3i audio providing SoundBlaster® Pro compatability with wavetable 15-pin monitor connector 6-pin PS/2-style keyboard, mouse, and keypad 2-USB (Universal Serial Bus) compliant 4-pin connectors S-Video for TV-Out (S-Video cable available S/PDIF port for AC-3 digital audio out (Sony, Philips, Digital Interface) Optional: Inspiron 8000 advanced port replicator Microsoft® Works Suite 2001 <----no comment on this software ! ! ! ! Software 6 Month America Online Membership Norton Antivirus® 2002 Microsoft® Windows® 2000 Professional Software 3yr. Warranty Misc: Keyboard on Notebook 6.84lbs1 / 1.6" thin <-- 1 lb lighter Dual optical media bays (one fixed/one versatile) Advanatges for upgrades 2nd Cdrom , dvd rom or Cdrw slot ! Can support a 2nd hard drive !!!! You could also run 2nd cdrom , dvd or cdrw external and Run a Second Battery also you coudl also get a zip drive for 2nd drive as well. Sorry but for almost $400.00 less this Dell can not be beat ! ! ! This is also the highest end Inspirion ! Also will run S.u.S.E. , Redhat , Mandrake Just IMHO Bill Preece From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 06:38:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA13797 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:38:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA13794 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:38:10 -0500 Received: from web20508.mail.yahoo.com (web20508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.143]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA06660 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:38:11 -0500 Message-ID: <20020130113740.62331.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.23.26.253] by web20508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:37:40 PST Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:37:40 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3C57555C.D6D41B4C@ij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I think I'm going with the C series, it's what I have now actually. The P is nice but the screen is way to small for my purposes. Carson --- Scott Piper wrote: > In that case, check out the Fujitsu Lifebook P, > which is the cool > lightweight model that uses the Transmeta CPU and > has a slew of ports > and features and retails for about $1500 (If I > bought it I would up the > RAM and possibly get the long range battery which > will last about 7 hrs > time) It supposedly works well with Linux. > > > http://www.fujitsupc.com/www/products_notebooks.shtml?products/notebooks/p_series > > > > scott > > > > Carson Wilcox wrote: > > > I appreciate all the response. I think as it > stands > > now I'll probably go with another fujitsu as I get > a > > discount and the one I have currently works great. > > > > I'll check linux-laptop just to be sure they > haven't > > screwed up anything in the newer models however. > > > > Thanks, > > Carson > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 06:40:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA13807 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:40:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA13804 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:40:12 -0500 Received: from web20505.mail.yahoo.com (web20505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.140]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA06669 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:40:14 -0500 Message-ID: <20020130113943.20319.qmail@web20505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.23.26.253] by web20505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:39:43 PST Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:39:43 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1012353832.1497.5.camel@oreo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Nothing against Dell other than I didn't care much for the guy I talked to. Mostly I can just get a better buy through Fujitsu, more bang for the buck, so to speak. Carson --- "Michael J. Hoffman" wrote: > On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 11:30, Carson Wilcox wrote: > > Thanks I appreciate the info, I had almost decided > to > > go that way.. > > > > Carson > > --- Derek Glidden > wrote: > > Linux on Toshiba laptops? > > > > > > Older models worked great, newer models are > > > something to avoid. > > Sorry I apparently missed the beginning of this... > what was the reason > *not* to use a Dell? Dell machines are for the most > part loaded with > very standard chipsets and circuits... and Linux > works well on most of > the current breed of Dell laptops (with the possible > exception of the > ultrthin "blade" type that I can't claim experience > with). > > Most of the Dell hardware is recognized > automatically; possibly some of > the older models with NeoMagic chips could give you > an issue but the > newer stuff is mostly ATI and now nVidia. > > Or perhaps you wanted it to *ship* with Linux? Well > we can't have > everything (yet) :-) > > MH++ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 08:15:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA13839 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:15:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA13836 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:15:39 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06897 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:15:40 -0500 Received: from progeny (653491hfc23.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.91.23]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0UDF9m18699 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:15:09 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: james martinez To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] CodeWeavers Crossover Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:16:25 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02013003162503.00495@progeny> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey, Just a heads up if you haven't tried this yet. The Crossover plugin from CodeWeavers is pretty good. I installed it this past weekend and after playing with it a while decided to go ahead and pay the 19.95 for the registered version. You can download a fully functional demo to try out it is nagware though. Pops up little messages when you use it every now and then. But I figure just the fact that it runs the Quicktime plugin perfectly not just as a plugin but as an stand alone movie player too. Installation and setup is easy. Any one else try this out yet if so what did you think? Link http://www.codeweavers.com/products/crossover/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 09:23:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA13906 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:23:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA13903 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:23:24 -0500 Received: from mail15b.boca15-verio.com (mail15b.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07080 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:23:26 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 014185019 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:21:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C58021A.8070208@roblimo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:24:26 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CodeWeavers Crossover References: <02013003162503.00495@progeny> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM855; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Just a heads up if you haven't tried this yet. The Crossover plugin from > CodeWeavers is pretty good. Yup. Works fine. Not just Quicktime but Shockwave (you have to download separately). And other Windows programs, some better than others. In fact, while we didn't mention it in the Lindows review on NewsForge, you will find that the Codeweavers WineX does everything Lindows does... because that's what Lindows uses. :) Get Mandrake gaming edition + Crossover, you spend less than Lindows and get lots more "home user functionality" at the same time. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 09:25:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA13916 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:25:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA13913 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:25:06 -0500 Received: from mcncmdm1exims3.marriott.com (host254.marriott.com [162.130.1.254]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07087 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:25:08 -0500 Received: by mcncmdm1exims3.marriott.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:24:37 -0500 Message-ID: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528F5@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> From: "Grantham, Patrick" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Cc: "Klawon, Kevin (MVCI)" Subject: [SLUG] time warner port blocking Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:22:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If you have not found out yet, TWC is blocking incomming tcpip port 80 for their residentianl customers in central florida. Accosding to the tech support (and testing proves it to be true) they are presently blocking only incomming port 80. Examining my apache log files, this apparently (and covertly) started Jan 24. Is anyone else experiencing this? Pleading with the tech support, "Please open it up for me, I use Linux," proved not to be helpful. I conveyed my displeasure not having been notifued to this impending change. He just gave me a number to call to complain. Is anyone else experiencing this? From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 10:42:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA13948 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:42:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA13945 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:42:25 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (242829hfc118.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.29.118]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07329 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:42:26 -0500 Received: from fourier.mat (localhost.mat [127.0.0.1]) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g0UFfsLM004974 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:41:54 -0500 Received: (from billt@localhost) by fourier.mat (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) id g0UFfrbL004972 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:41:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:41:53 -0500 From: Bill Triplett To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] time warner port blocking Message-ID: <20020130154153.GA4853@fourier.mat> References: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528F5@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528F5@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 09:22:19AM -0500, Grantham, Patrick wrote: > If you have not found out yet, TWC is blocking incomming tcpip port > 80 for their residentianl customers in central florida. Accosding > to the tech support (and testing proves it to be true) they are > presently blocking only incomming port 80. Examining my apache log > files, this apparently (and covertly) started Jan 24. Is anyone > else experiencing this? Pleading with the tech support, "Please > open it up for me, I use Linux," proved not to be helpful. I > conveyed my displeasure not having been notifued to this impending > change. He just gave me a number to call to complain. Is anyone > else experiencing this? Mine seems to be working fine. I'm in Tampa Bay. I deny 80, but I can see the accounting counter increment as I try to connect remotely. In fact, since I reset the counters on Jan 25, I've had 359 connection attempts. I guess there's the possiblilty that running a webserver as a residential customer has raised an eyebrow over there. Did the tech support guy say it was network-wide blocking? Bill From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 10:50:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA13978 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:50:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA13975 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:50:00 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07382 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:49:57 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14283 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:49:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on Laptops From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1012352066.1853.4.camel@rwright.desktop> References: <20020129144717.75745.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> <1012352066.1853.4.camel@rwright.desktop> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 30 Jan 2002 10:49:14 -0500 Message-Id: <1012405755.3906.3.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 19:54, Russ Wright wrote: > I have a Toshiba 1605CDS with Mandrake 8.1. I am able to use every > feature of the laptop without problems. The only part that was > difficult was getting the modem to work. I found a driver for it, as it > is a winmodem, and now it works too. I have a pcmcia nic and it > functions perfectly. I use my laptop for everyday development in java > and C++ without issue. > > My only dissapointment is the battery life, which really has nothing to > do with the OS, but my next laptop will have a lithium battery. I've > looked at many IBM laptops and I think I will buy one of those next. My old laptop was a Toshiba 4015 that ran Linux. It mostly worked although the PCMCIA support was flaky and there was no hope of ever getting the IR working. I still have it but the battery is dead as a doornail. Strangely, I know a LOT of people with Toshiba laptops that have dead batteries. I think it's a trend and another reason I would avoid Toshiba laptops. My current laptop is a Compaq Armada 7400 that runs Linux like a dream. (Well, mostly. APM support seems to have gotten entirely borked sometime during 2.4, so battery life on it sucks dirt now. I've commented a couple of times on LKML and, while I received a response that seemed to indicate there was a real problem with scheduling the kapm_idled thread, it doesn't seem like anything's ever been done about it. That's the kernel's problem, though, not the laptop's.) I highly recommend Compaq and IBM hardware to run Linux. The most success stories seem to come from those vendors. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 10:56:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14003 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:56:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14000 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:56:03 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07428 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:56:04 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id xa196141 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:58:00 -0500 Message-ID: <058201c1a9a5$ed29eb90$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528F5@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> <20020130154153.GA4853@fourier.mat> Subject: Re: [SLUG] time warner port blocking Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:51:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I ask very specifically. Incoming port 80 are blocked for all residential customers in central Florida. He implied (but was not specific) that this will be a trend for ALL residential customers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Triplett" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] time warner port blocking > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 09:22:19AM -0500, Grantham, Patrick wrote: > > If you have not found out yet, TWC is blocking incomming tcpip port > > 80 for their residentianl customers in central florida. Accosding > > to the tech support (and testing proves it to be true) they are > > presently blocking only incomming port 80. Examining my apache log > > files, this apparently (and covertly) started Jan 24. Is anyone > > else experiencing this? Pleading with the tech support, "Please > > open it up for me, I use Linux," proved not to be helpful. I > > conveyed my displeasure not having been notifued to this impending > > change. He just gave me a number to call to complain. Is anyone > > else experiencing this? > > Mine seems to be working fine. I'm in Tampa Bay. I deny 80, but I can > see the accounting counter increment as I try to connect remotely. In > fact, since I reset the counters on Jan 25, I've had 359 connection > attempts. > > I guess there's the possiblilty that running a webserver as a > residential customer has raised an eyebrow over there. Did the tech > support guy say it was network-wide blocking? > > Bill > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 11:04:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA14077 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:04:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14074 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:04:05 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07518 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:04:07 -0500 Received: from espresso (6535245hfc180.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.245.180]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0UG3at08630 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:03:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken Billings" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] time warner port blocking Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:03:36 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528F5@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug So, on that note... What are some of the better DSL providers available around here? I'm looking for a decent price on a 768/384 absolute minimum speed. I'd prefer one that is techie friendly - i.e. low bandwidth servers allowed, email/web space optional, and reverse DNS would be icing. ;) I know _someone_ on the list is happy with their ISP, right? ...right? Is an ISP that just provides a connection, no questions asked, available without paying hundreds of dollars for a "business" account? As of right now things are cool in St. Petersburg. If they ever do start port blocking, I'll be canceling my roadrunner account, no question. Service in the last year+ has been phenomenal (down only once the night they upgraded the whole Tampabay area), and speeds have been great, but at this point I just can't live without my servers. ;) -Ken BTW, do you know who's on the other end of the complaint line? In other words, would it do any good to call and complain in advance? :) -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Grantham, Patrick Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 09:22 AM To: 'slug@nks.net' Cc: Klawon, Kevin (MVCI) Subject: [SLUG] time warner port blocking If you have not found out yet, TWC is blocking incomming tcpip port 80 for their residentianl customers in central florida. Accosding to the tech support (and testing proves it to be true) they are presently blocking only incomming port 80. Examining my apache log files, this apparently (and covertly) started Jan 24. Is anyone else experiencing this? Pleading with the tech support, "Please open it up for me, I use Linux," proved not to be helpful. I conveyed my displeasure not having been notifued to this impending change. He just gave me a number to call to complain. Is anyone else experiencing this? From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 11:04:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA14105 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:04:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14102 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:04:54 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07539 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:04:56 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt0a2n0b.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.25.11]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0UG4PX20842 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:04:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C581AC3.6FE4C6B5@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:09:39 -0500 From: Anita Pesola X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] time warner port blocking References: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528F5@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> <20020130154153.GA4853@fourier.mat> <058201c1a9a5$ed29eb90$4401a8c0@patrick> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hm. I wonder why they're specifying that particular port. That doesn't seem right. Anita Patrick Grantham wrote: > I ask very specifically. Incoming port 80 are blocked for all residential > customers in central Florida. He implied (but was not specific) that this > will be a trend for ALL residential customers. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 10:52:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA13989 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:52:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA13986 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:52:09 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07411 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:52:05 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14312 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:51:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Regarding Dell was Re: Linux on Laptops From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1012358451.27374.8.camel@maria> References: <20020129163042.36254.qmail@web20502.mail.yahoo.com> <1012353832.1497.5.camel@oreo> <1012358451.27374.8.camel@maria> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 30 Jan 2002 10:51:22 -0500 Message-Id: <1012405882.3906.6.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 21:40, Logan wrote: > I do not tout one computer maker over another, as I build my of > company's servers. But when I have to order laptops, the Dell Inspiron > 4000 has been most excellent; with the exception of mine almost being > hurled across the hotel room when Mind Flayers sucked the brain out of a > most excellent character, resulting in his immediate death, while I was > playing, "Nethack." If you are hardware literate, the Dell folks will do > what you like. Even if you use Debian or SuSE linux vice Redhat. =) *damn* those mind flayers. :) I haven't been able to get my hands on a lot of Dell laptops, but the few I've had access to have been able to run Linux quite well. The newer ones, that is. Older ones were a nightmare, but now they seem to have pretty much given up on the proprietary hardware route. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 12:00:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA14196 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:00:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA14193 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:00:21 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07888 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:00:22 -0500 Received: from icarus (653473hfc106.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.73.106]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0UGxge21835 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:59:42 -0500 From: "Seth Hollen" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Regarding Dell was Re: Linux on Laptops Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:59:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c1a9af$8ccef970$2201a8c0@icarus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1012405882.3906.6.camel@two> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug My inspiron 5000e runs perfectly, even the linmodem! Take care, Seth Hollen Open Tech Inc. 727-919-1598 seth@hollen.org -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Derek Glidden Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:51 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Regarding Dell was Re: Linux on Laptops On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 21:40, Logan wrote: > I do not tout one computer maker over another, as I build my of > company's servers. But when I have to order laptops, the Dell Inspiron > 4000 has been most excellent; with the exception of mine almost being > hurled across the hotel room when Mind Flayers sucked the brain out of a > most excellent character, resulting in his immediate death, while I was > playing, "Nethack." If you are hardware literate, the Dell folks will do > what you like. Even if you use Debian or SuSE linux vice Redhat. =) *damn* those mind flayers. :) I haven't been able to get my hands on a lot of Dell laptops, but the few I've had access to have been able to run Linux quite well. The newer ones, that is. Older ones were a nightmare, but now they seem to have pretty much given up on the proprietary hardware route. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 12:02:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA14207 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:02:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA14204 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:02:51 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA07917 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:02:52 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id da196147 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:04:50 -0500 Message-ID: <059801c1a9af$42d79480$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528F5@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> <20020130154153.GA4853@fourier.mat> <058201c1a9a5$ed29eb90$4401a8c0@patrick> <3C581AC3.6FE4C6B5@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] time warner port blocking Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:57:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The tech explained by doing so that they have stopped all worm that use this method of propagation (codred, etc...) of residential customers. Apparently significant portion of their bandwidth was being chewed up by unpatched NT machines. I responded that Linux users are being penalized for unpatched MS users. He replied, twc doesn't officially support Linux. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anita Pesola" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] time warner port blocking > Hm. I wonder why they're specifying that particular port. That doesn't seem > right. > > Anita > > Patrick Grantham wrote: > > > I ask very specifically. Incoming port 80 are blocked for all residential > > customers in central Florida. He implied (but was not specific) that this > > will be a trend for ALL residential customers. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 13:20:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA14250 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:20:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14247 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:20:31 -0500 Received: from morpheus-ssn.nks.net (morpheus.nks.net [216.139.201.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08282 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:20:32 -0500 Received: from out016.verizon.net (out016pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.92]) by morpheus-ssn.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15296 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:20:02 -0500 Received: from there ([24.96.63.146]) by out016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020130181931.KIUZ15530.out016.verizon.net@there> for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:19:31 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] is it possible to swap keyboard Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:16:48 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020130181931.KIUZ15530.out016.verizon.net@there> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would like to change out my keyboard--- can I do this without a reboot? All my searching has come up with conflicting answers---and none are complete. I just would like an answer--either yes or no, and how---note the following PS/2 mouse+keyboard interface was originally designed, hot-plugging a : PS/2 device is usually not a good idea. The specifics of what happens : when you unplug a PS/2 device from a live system are dependent on your : motherboard. : : Linux does not use the BIOS for anything once the kernel is loaded; : keyboard handling is done in /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/pc_keyb.c . : It may be possible to put a hack in there to call pckbd_init_hw() at an : appropriate time. those are typical of the google search and any other research I have done---no answers only conflicting messages---all I wanted to know is if it can -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8WDiQxz7sWGFN55sRAppVAJ4kyNXOavpQ6aFUpMRnNXKKH7F5oACfVtFO kbzoePCde8tuGHXCD4dIgzc= =cTg3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 13:20:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA14255 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:20:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14252 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:20:32 -0500 Received: from web20503.mail.yahoo.com (web20503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.138]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA08284 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:20:33 -0500 Message-ID: <20020130182002.5592.qmail@web20503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.23.26.253] by web20503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:20:02 PST Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:20:02 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox Subject: [SLUG] laptop saga continued To: SLUG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ok now that I decided on a laptop, guess what. It doesn't have a serial port which I need for both an external modem as well as my palm pilot. I have found usp to serial converters, will I need or be able to find a special driver to make this work? Thanks, Carson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 13:29:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA14270 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:29:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14267 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:29:57 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com ([63.150.250.40]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08325 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:29:59 -0500 Received: from rufus.mptotalcare.com (rufus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.21]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA23497 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:29:28 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by rufus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA11147 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:29:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rufus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] time warner port blocking From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <059801c1a9af$42d79480$4401a8c0@patrick> References: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528F5@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> <20020130154153.GA4853@fourier.mat> <058201c1a9a5$ed29eb90$4401a8c0@patrick> <3C581AC3.6FE4C6B5@tampabay.rr.com> <059801c1a9af$42d79480$4401a8c0@patrick> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 30 Jan 2002 13:29:27 -0500 Message-Id: <1012415368.4648.38.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 11:57, Patrick Grantham wrote: > The tech explained by doing so that they have stopped all worm that use this > method of propagation (codred, etc...) of residential customers. Apparently > significant portion of their bandwidth was being chewed up by unpatched NT > machines. I responded that Linux users are being penalized for unpatched MS > users. He replied, twc doesn't officially support Linux. A quick nmap port scan of my home computer (RR service in Tampa) from work shows port 80 as being open; maybe TW is just giving you line of crap? $ nmap -p 1-100 www.domain.com Starting nmap V. 2.54BETA30 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) Interesting ports on www.domain.com (My IP): 22/tcp closed ssh 25/tcp closed smtp 80/tcp open http Matt From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 14:00:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA14306 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:00:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA14303 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:00:31 -0500 Received: from morpheus-ssn.nks.net (morpheus.nks.net [216.139.201.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08519 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:00:33 -0500 Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.101]) by morpheus-ssn.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15374 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:00:02 -0500 Received: from there ([24.96.63.146]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020130185901.COUF26392.out001.verizon.net@there> for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:59:01 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] is it possible to swap keyboard Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:56:17 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20020130181931.KIUZ15530.out016.verizon.net@there> In-Reply-To: <20020130181931.KIUZ15530.out016.verizon.net@there> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020130185901.COUF26392.out001.verizon.net@there> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 30 January 2002 13:16, you wrote: > I would like to change out my keyboard--- can I do this without a reboot? I decided to try it without waiting for response-----seems to work just fine without any special tasks involved---just unplug and plug in the new one. another bit of trivia that I never knew. Im still learning------ A J -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8WEHRxz7sWGFN55sRAjydAKCDsWKZKjtTtm9QzXpkKk9NTXwEJgCfUmjO 9WDF3xZDDE8hwFa8asoC0iE= =lHPX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 14:12:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA14319 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:12:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA14316 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:12:40 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08604 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:12:40 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA16502 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:12:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] is it possible to swap keyboard From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20020130181931.KIUZ15530.out016.verizon.net@there> References: <20020130181931.KIUZ15530.out016.verizon.net@there> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 30 Jan 2002 14:12:00 -0500 Message-Id: <1012417920.3906.199.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 13:16, A2L1 wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I would like to change out my keyboard--- can I do this without a reboot? > All my searching has come up with conflicting answers---and none are > complete. I just would like an answer--either yes or no, and how---note the > following Well, the complete and truthful answer is: > : The specifics of what happens > : when you unplug a PS/2 device from a live system are dependent on your > : motherboard. The only way to know is to try it with your particular system. Some will work, some don't. I personally have several that do and two machines that don't. Conflicting or not, that's just the way it is. No definitive "yes or no" answer is possible. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 14:38:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA14353 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:38:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA14350 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:38:15 -0500 Received: from morpheus-ssn.nks.net (morpheus.nks.net [216.139.201.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08710 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:38:17 -0500 Received: from out012.verizon.net (out012pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.137]) by morpheus-ssn.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15448 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:37:46 -0500 Received: from there ([24.96.63.146]) by out012.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020130193715.CJFG3499.out012.verizon.net@there> for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:37:15 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] is it possible to swap keyboard Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:34:33 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20020130181931.KIUZ15530.out016.verizon.net@there> <1012417920.3906.199.camel@two> In-Reply-To: <1012417920.3906.199.camel@two> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020130193715.CJFG3499.out012.verizon.net@there> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 30 January 2002 14:12, you wrote: > The only way to know is to try it with your particular system. Some > will work, some don't. I personally have several that do and two > machines that don't. > > Conflicting or not, that's just the way it is. No definitive "yes or > no" answer is possible. Thanks Derek See the previous---I tried with good results !! A J -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8WErJxz7sWGFN55sRAtxyAJ9GXjz3GAPJObIlvh7WrGmFOsq6QgCghgY2 e5BPdBmJ89mHRReL79mSxlE= =S/S2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 14:43:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA14359 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:43:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA14356 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:43:42 -0500 Received: from mcncmdm1exims2.marriott.com (host254.marriott.com [162.130.1.254]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08731 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:43:43 -0500 Received: by mcncmdm1exims2.marriott.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:43:12 -0500 Message-ID: <7E670029B183D311BBB100805FA7F856097528FD@mvci-lalfiexch1.vacationclub.com> From: "Grantham, Patrick" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] time warner port blocking Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:40:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug More likely (I think) they may not have instituted it yet in your area. I know of three places in orlando (Winter Park, Orlando, and Kissimmee) that are blocked. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Miller [mailto:mmiller1@mptotalcare.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:29 PM To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] time warner port blocking On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 11:57, Patrick Grantham wrote: > The tech explained by doing so that they have stopped all worm that use this > method of propagation (codred, etc...) of residential customers. Apparently > significant portion of their bandwidth was being chewed up by unpatched NT > machines. I responded that Linux users are being penalized for unpatched MS > users. He replied, twc doesn't officially support Linux. A quick nmap port scan of my home computer (RR service in Tampa) from work shows port 80 as being open; maybe TW is just giving you line of crap? $ nmap -p 1-100 www.domain.com Starting nmap V. 2.54BETA30 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) Interesting ports on www.domain.com (My IP): 22/tcp closed ssh 25/tcp closed smtp 80/tcp open http Matt From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 16:58:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA14738 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:58:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA14735 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:58:35 -0500 Received: from ns.tbi.net ([209.141.252.3]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09606 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:58:37 -0500 Received: from poor-soul (mail.jpow.net [207.204.243.149]) by ns.tbi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14074 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:58:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <200201301658490622.0004623D@mail.tbi.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:58:49 -0500 From: "Father Timothy" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] time warner port blocking Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Try WebNet @ http://www.tbi.net Rusty *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 1/30/2002 at 11:03 AM Ken Billings wrote: >So, on that note... What are some of the better DSL providers available >around here? I'm looking for a decent price on a 768/384 absolute minimum >speed. I'd prefer one that is techie friendly - i.e. low bandwidth servers >allowed, email/web space optional, and reverse DNS would be icing. ;) I >know _someone_ on the list is happy with their ISP, right? ...right? Is an >ISP that just provides a connection, no questions asked, available without >paying hundreds of dollars for a "business" account? > >As of right now things are cool in St. Petersburg. If they ever do start >port blocking, I'll be canceling my roadrunner account, no question. >Service in the last year+ has been phenomenal (down only once the night >they >upgraded the whole Tampabay area), and speeds have been great, but at this >point I just can't live without my servers. ;) > >-Ken > >BTW, do you know who's on the other end of the complaint line? In other >words, would it do any good to call and complain in advance? :) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of >Grantham, Patrick >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 09:22 AM >To: 'slug@nks.net' >Cc: Klawon, Kevin (MVCI) >Subject: [SLUG] time warner port blocking > > >If you have not found out yet, TWC is blocking incomming tcpip port 80 for >their residentianl customers in central florida. Accosding to the tech >support (and testing proves it to be true) they are presently blocking only >incomming port 80. Examining my apache log files, this apparently (and >covertly) started Jan 24. Is anyone else experiencing this? Pleading with >the tech support, "Please open it up for me, I use Linux," proved not to be >helpful. I conveyed my displeasure not having been notifued to this >impending change. He just gave me a number to call to complain. Is anyone >else experiencing this? From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 17:04:48 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA14760 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:04:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA14757 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:04:47 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09644 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:04:49 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ua196190 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:06:46 -0500 Message-ID: <05d201c1a9d9$5f624e40$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <200201301658490622.0004623D@mail.tbi.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] time warner port blocking Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:59:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug A Catholic Priest on SLUG? I'm impressed (if that's a correct assumption.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Father Timothy" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:58 PM Subject: RE: [SLUG] time warner port blocking > Try WebNet @ http://www.tbi.net > > Rusty > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 1/30/2002 at 11:03 AM Ken Billings wrote: > > >So, on that note... What are some of the better DSL providers > available > >around here? I'm looking for a decent price on a 768/384 absolute > minimum > >speed. I'd prefer one that is techie friendly - i.e. low bandwidth > servers > >allowed, email/web space optional, and reverse DNS would be icing. ;) > I > >know _someone_ on the list is happy with their ISP, right? ...right? > Is an > >ISP that just provides a connection, no questions asked, available > without > >paying hundreds of dollars for a "business" account? > > > >As of right now things are cool in St. Petersburg. If they ever do > start > >port blocking, I'll be canceling my roadrunner account, no question. > >Service in the last year+ has been phenomenal (down only once the > night > >they > >upgraded the whole Tampabay area), and speeds have been great, but at > this > >point I just can't live without my servers. ;) > > > >-Ken > > > >BTW, do you know who's on the other end of the complaint line? In > other > >words, would it do any good to call and complain in advance? :) > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of > >Grantham, Patrick > >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 09:22 AM > >To: 'slug@nks.net' > >Cc: Klawon, Kevin (MVCI) > >Subject: [SLUG] time warner port blocking > > > > > >If you have not found out yet, TWC is blocking incomming tcpip port 80 > for > >their residentianl customers in central florida. Accosding to the > tech > >support (and testing proves it to be true) they are presently blocking > only > >incomming port 80. Examining my apache log files, this apparently > (and > >covertly) started Jan 24. Is anyone else experiencing this? Pleading > with > >the tech support, "Please open it up for me, I use Linux," proved not > to be > >helpful. I conveyed my displeasure not having been notifued to this > >impending change. He just gave me a number to call to complain. Is > anyone > >else experiencing this? > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 17:08:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA14769 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:08:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA14766 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:08:15 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09651 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:08:16 -0500 Received: from midas.lan (6535194hfc151.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.194.151]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0UM7ke13032 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:07:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] laptop saga continued From: Seth Hollen To: "Slug@Nks. Net" In-Reply-To: <20020130182002.5592.qmail@web20503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020130182002.5592.qmail@web20503.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 30 Jan 2002 17:07:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1012428432.21632.0.camel@midas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug doesn't Toshiba make a laptop with a modem? Seth On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 13:20, Carson Wilcox wrote: > Ok now that I decided on a laptop, guess what. It > doesn't have a serial port which I need for both an > external modem as well as my palm pilot. > > I have found usp to serial converters, will I need or > be able to find a special driver to make this work? > > Thanks, > Carson > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > -- Take care, Seth seth@hollen.org 727-919-1598 From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 17:09:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA14774 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:09:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA14771 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:09:20 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09672 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:09:21 -0500 Received: from rr (653267hfc110.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.110]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0UM8oX14557 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:08:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000a01c1a9db$1233c840$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] time warner port blocking Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:11:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hello Folks, I do not know if you guys remember several of my previous messages concerning Time Warner and Road Runner. They Block ports that is why you can not set up FTp's unless you get the professional version of Road Runner. They also cap your bandwidth. This is just a few things that good ole TW does. If you check you will find out that now tw also only will promise you 256k band width considering you should be able to push 10mb full speed that is a far cry less. You now only will get dsl speed at best. They over sold the bandwidth and they do port blocks and they also will not allow you to set up a game server or anything. Right now Earthlink is promising that you can get up to 50 times faster then dial up on cable even thought they go through TW the rep told me that TW can not cap Earthlinks speed because that would violate FCC regulations. Also earthlink does not care how many PC's you set up! They also said if for any reason if I discover that the speed is capped then call them immediately It's sad considering that they also use to say on the up to 100 times faster then dialup which is bull! They also filter newsgroups and do not give you full postings from the news groups several times as well. If you post they will filter it as well. I was happy before to pay $40.00 a month for the speed now $44.95 for less what a gyp. The other sad thing is I want to know why Best Buys , Comp USA , Circuit City , Staples , and Office Depot sell cable modems that are standard DOCSIS standard that you can not use in Hillsborough County because Tw here does not support standard Docsis cable modems. Reason they can not cap the after market ones so you have to use their junk. That is also like before I was paying for HBO and after 5 years of never needing a box now you have to have a box to watch it even if you pay for the channel so they can charge you a extra $5.95 month for a box and extra $3.95 month for a remote if the box has one. Your cable ready tuner sets and VCR can only get basic cable without the box before if you paid for premium channel you could also watch that . Not any more !!! SCAM SCAM SCAM Finally they prebill you per month early before the dates you use it the way they do this comes out to they make 3 extra months worth of payments in a year! This needs to be stopped! Example bill says pay $95.00 for Feb 1st - march 1st but this will be due on the 21st of Feb! -----Original Message----- From: Grantham, Patrick To: 'slug@nks.net' Cc: Klawon, Kevin (MVCI) Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: [SLUG] time warner port blocking >If you have not found out yet, TWC is blocking incomming tcpip port 80 for >their residentianl customers in central florida. Accosding to the tech >support (and testing proves it to be true) they are presently blocking only >incomming port 80. Examining my apache log files, this apparently (and >covertly) started Jan 24. Is anyone else experiencing this? Pleading with >the tech support, "Please open it up for me, I use Linux," proved not to be >helpful. I conveyed my displeasure not having been notifued to this >impending change. He just gave me a number to call to complain. Is anyone >else experiencing this? From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 18:19:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA14866 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:19:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA14863 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:19:25 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10000 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:19:26 -0500 Received: from espresso (6535245hfc180.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.245.180]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0UNItt09551 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:18:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken Billings" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] time warner port blocking Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:18:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200201301658490622.0004623D@mail.tbi.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I checked out their website, but it was a little light on details. I'll possibly give them a call tomorrow, but does anyone happen to know anything about their business DSL, like a general pricing scheme? Also, anyone on the list have any personal experience (positive or negative) with them as a company? -Ken -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Father Timothy Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 04:59 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] time warner port blocking Try WebNet @ http://www.tbi.net Rusty *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 1/30/2002 at 11:03 AM Ken Billings wrote: >So, on that note... What are some of the better DSL providers available >around here? I'm looking for a decent price on a 768/384 absolute minimum >speed. I'd prefer one that is techie friendly - i.e. low bandwidth servers >allowed, email/web space optional, and reverse DNS would be icing. ;) I >know _someone_ on the list is happy with their ISP, right? ...right? Is an >ISP that just provides a connection, no questions asked, available without >paying hundreds of dollars for a "business" account? > >As of right now things are cool in St. Petersburg. If they ever do start >port blocking, I'll be canceling my roadrunner account, no question. >Service in the last year+ has been phenomenal (down only once the night >they >upgraded the whole Tampabay area), and speeds have been great, but at this >point I just can't live without my servers. ;) > >-Ken > >BTW, do you know who's on the other end of the complaint line? In other >words, would it do any good to call and complain in advance? :) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of >Grantham, Patrick >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 09:22 AM >To: 'slug@nks.net' >Cc: Klawon, Kevin (MVCI) >Subject: [SLUG] time warner port blocking > > >If you have not found out yet, TWC is blocking incomming tcpip port 80 for >their residentianl customers in central florida. Accosding to the tech >support (and testing proves it to be true) they are presently blocking only >incomming port 80. Examining my apache log files, this apparently (and >covertly) started Jan 24. Is anyone else experiencing this? Pleading with >the tech support, "Please open it up for me, I use Linux," proved not to be >helpful. I conveyed my displeasure not having been notifued to this >impending change. He just gave me a number to call to complain. Is anyone >else experiencing this? From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 17:42:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA14787 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:42:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA14784 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:42:41 -0500 Received: from illustrious.cnchost.com (illustrious.concentric.net [207.155.252.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09835 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:42:42 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by illustrious.cnchost.com id RAA14669; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:42:11 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16W3Xv-0004JO-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:49:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:49:34 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] IBM Nearly Recoups Linux Cost Message-ID: <20020130174934.A16519@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I was concerned that this investment in Linux by IBM might come to naught if they couldn't actually recoup their investment. However, they're saying they almost have: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-825723.html Very good news. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 18:27:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA14884 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:27:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA14881 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:27:34 -0500 Received: from spanky.onsyd.com (tamqfl1-ar3-171-140.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.34.171.140]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10032 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:27:35 -0500 Received: from ittagteam.com ([63.150.250.34]) by spanky.onsyd.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g0UNR3eD016850 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:27:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3C588142.8040702@ittagteam.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:26:58 -0500 From: Syd Alsobrook User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20020121 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] time warner port blocking References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have been using verizon dsl and have not had a problem with using multible machines and hosting email,http, and ftp. My addresses have been stable for over a year as well. Syd Ken Billings wrote: >So, on that note... What are some of the better DSL providers available >around here? I'm looking for a decent price on a 768/384 absolute minimum >speed. I'd prefer one that is techie friendly - i.e. low bandwidth servers >allowed, email/web space optional, and reverse DNS would be icing. ;) I >know _someone_ on the list is happy with their ISP, right? ...right? Is an >ISP that just provides a connection, no questions asked, available without >paying hundreds of dollars for a "business" account? > >As of right now things are cool in St. Petersburg. If they ever do start >port blocking, I'll be canceling my roadrunner account, no question. >Service in the last year+ has been phenomenal (down only once the night they >upgraded the whole Tampabay area), and speeds have been great, but at this >point I just can't live without my servers. ;) > >-Ken > >BTW, do you know who's on the other end of the complaint line? In other >words, would it do any good to call and complain in advance? :) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of >Grantham, Patrick >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 09:22 AM >To: 'slug@nks.net' >Cc: Klawon, Kevin (MVCI) >Subject: [SLUG] time warner port blocking > > >If you have not found out yet, TWC is blocking incomming tcpip port 80 for >their residentianl customers in central florida. Accosding to the tech >support (and testing proves it to be true) they are presently blocking only >incomming port 80. Examining my apache log files, this apparently (and >covertly) started Jan 24. Is anyone else experiencing this? Pleading with >the tech support, "Please open it up for me, I use Linux," proved not to be >helpful. I conveyed my displeasure not having been notifued to this >impending change. He just gave me a number to call to complain. Is anyone >else experiencing this? > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 18:31:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA14899 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:31:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA14896 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:31:34 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10047 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:31:36 -0500 Received: from latitude.bbsgamers.com (6532163hfc129.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.163.129]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0UNV5h08448 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:31:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] time warner port blocking From: Andrew Wyatt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <000a01c1a9db$1233c840$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> References: <000a01c1a9db$1233c840$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 30 Jan 2002 18:09:28 +0000 Message-Id: <1012414169.1384.1.camel@latitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I just started the process to switch to Earthlink, same Time Warner bill, 2Mb bandwidth download cap 384Kb upload cap. No blocked ports, and only $41.95 a month :-) -Andrew On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 22:11, Bpreece wrote: > Hello Folks, > I do not know if you guys remember several of my previous messages > concerning Time Warner > and Road Runner. They Block ports that is why you can not set up FTp's > unless you get > the professional version of Road Runner. They also cap your bandwidth. This > is just a few things that > good ole TW does. If you check you will find out that now tw also only will > promise you 256k band width > considering you should be able to push 10mb full speed that is a far cry > less. You now only will get > dsl speed at best. They over sold the bandwidth and they do port blocks and > they also will not > allow you to set up a game server or anything. > > Right now Earthlink is promising that you can get up to 50 times faster then > dial up on cable > even thought they go through TW the rep told me that TW can not cap > Earthlinks speed because that > would violate FCC regulations. Also earthlink does not care how many PC's > you set up! They also said > if for any reason if I discover that the speed is capped then call them > immediately > > It's sad considering that they also use to say on the up to 100 times faster > then dialup which is bull! > They also filter newsgroups and do not give you full postings from the news > groups several times as well. > If you post they will filter it as well. I was happy before to pay $40.00 a > month for the speed now $44.95 for less what a gyp. > > The other sad thing is I want to know why Best Buys , Comp USA , Circuit > City , Staples , and Office Depot sell > cable modems that are standard DOCSIS standard that you can not use in > Hillsborough County because Tw here > does not support standard Docsis cable modems. Reason they can not cap the > after market ones so you have to use their junk. > > That is also like before I was paying for HBO and after 5 years of never > needing a box now you have to have a box to watch it > even if you pay for the channel so they can charge you a extra $5.95 month > for a box and extra $3.95 month for a remote if the box has one. Your cable > ready tuner sets and VCR can only get basic cable without the box before if > you paid for premium channel you could also watch that . Not any more !!! > SCAM SCAM SCAM Finally they prebill you per month early before the dates > you use it the way they do this comes out to they make 3 extra months worth > of payments in a year! This needs to be stopped! Example bill says pay > $95.00 for Feb 1st - march 1st but this will be due on the 21st of Feb! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Grantham, Patrick > To: 'slug@nks.net' > Cc: Klawon, Kevin (MVCI) > Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 9:25 AM > Subject: [SLUG] time warner port blocking > > > >If you have not found out yet, TWC is blocking incomming tcpip port 80 for > >their residentianl customers in central florida. Accosding to the tech > >support (and testing proves it to be true) they are presently blocking only > >incomming port 80. Examining my apache log files, this apparently (and > >covertly) started Jan 24. Is anyone else experiencing this? Pleading with > >the tech support, "Please open it up for me, I use Linux," proved not to be > >helpful. I conveyed my displeasure not having been notifued to this > >impending change. He just gave me a number to call to complain. Is anyone > >else experiencing this? > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 18:39:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA14906 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:39:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA14903 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:39:25 -0500 Received: from ajax.cnchost.com (ajax.cnchost.com [207.155.248.31]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10091 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:39:26 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by ajax.cnchost.com id SAA20941; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:38:53 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16W4Qp-0004TQ-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:46:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:46:07 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Change logs and RCS/CVS Message-ID: <20020130184607.A16663@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug For projects I'm working on, I'd like to keep the changes I enter for CVS to be sync'd with those in the Changelog file. In other words, I'd like not to have to enter the same information twice. You could put a $Log$ directive into the Changelog file, but it won't get touched at commit time, unless you've changed the file. Anyone know of a way to keep all this stuff in sync, or is there no way? Or did I poorly explain it? Paul From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 19:55:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA14969 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:55:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA14966 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:55:18 -0500 Received: from mail15b.boca15-verio.com (mail15b.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA10341 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:55:19 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 014641958 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:53:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C589632.1010705@roblimo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:56:18 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] roadrunner complaints References: <000a01c1a9db$1233c840$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <1012414169.1384.1.camel@latitude> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM855; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Roadrunner is far from perfect, but this area is very lucky on the broadband front compared to Maryland, where Comcast dominates cable and DSL is not widely available. When @home was Comcast's (only) cable Internet connection provider, DNS, email, and member page servers constantly went down -- and @home would *not* provide credit/refunds for time offline. Service call wait time ranged between 5 and 15 days. Now that @home has (deservedly) gone broke, Comcast has raised prices and is launching a program to detect people running connection-sharing devices and charge them extra for each connected computer. Bandwidth is capped; 128K upload max. Ports blocked. 384K download cap, but you hardly ever got that speed anyway. And you now wait a mimimum of 45 minutes on hold for phone support, up from @home's minimum 30 minutes. Not visible to the public but evil: they cut pay to installer & troubleshooter techs -- independent contractors -- by 20% without notice. Tim, my oldest stepdaughter's off-and-on boyfriend, is one of their subcontractors. He's talking about moving ot W. Palm, where he has family, and going with AOLTW, because he says they treat their service people better than Comcast. And a choice, as in Earthlink? Ha! Comcast has no such plans. Of course, AOLTW is only doing it because it was an FTC merger condition, but at least it exists here. And in MD, where the telco infrastructure is much older than here, DSL is not widely available. Count your broadband blessing, Tampa Bay people! - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 21:29:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA15039 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:29:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA15036 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:29:21 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10570 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:29:22 -0500 Received: from 242819hfc61 (242819hfc61.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.19.61]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0V2Spt19901 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:28:51 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] laptop saga continued Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:34:17 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20020130182002.5592.qmail@web20503.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020130182002.5592.qmail@web20503.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02013021341700.01600@242819hfc61> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yup - it's a kernel module. Most distros will have this installed by default, but as always, you'll want to check. Glen (stuck in the CNC serial port hell) On Wednesday 30 January 2002 13:20, you wrote: > Ok now that I decided on a laptop, guess what. It > doesn't have a serial port which I need for both an > external modem as well as my palm pilot. > > I have found usp to serial converters, will I need or > be able to find a special driver to make this work? > > Thanks, > Carson > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 20:50:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA15008 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:50:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA15005 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:50:06 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10486 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:50:08 -0500 Received: from 24.95.237.134.bvl-ubr-a.cfl.rr.com by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id na196209 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:52:04 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c1a9f9$cc0f4c30$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <3C588142.8040702@ittagteam.com> Subject: [SLUG] Re: DSL and Linux Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:51:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug How do you connect you Linux box to your DSL hook? Via a router or directly? From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 20:53:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA15014 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:53:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA15011 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:53:15 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10502 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:53:16 -0500 Received: from 24.95.237.134.bvl-ubr-a.cfl.rr.com by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id oa196210 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:55:14 -0500 Message-ID: <003501c1a9fa$3d324f70$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <000a01c1a9db$1233c840$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <1012414169.1384.1.camel@latitude> Subject: Re: [SLUG] time warner port blocking Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:54:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Before anyone speaks up about the thread it is Linux related. TWC did state (to the effect of) Linux? You are on your own. I now know how the people with Macs feel. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Wyatt" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] time warner port blocking > I just started the process to switch to Earthlink, same Time Warner > bill, 2Mb bandwidth download cap 384Kb upload cap. No blocked ports, and > only $41.95 a month :-) > > -Andrew > > > On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 22:11, Bpreece wrote: > > Hello Folks, > > I do not know if you guys remember several of my previous messages > > concerning Time Warner > > and Road Runner. They Block ports that is why you can not set up FTp's > > unless you get > > the professional version of Road Runner. They also cap your bandwidth. This > > is just a few things that > > good ole TW does. If you check you will find out that now tw also only will > > promise you 256k band width > > considering you should be able to push 10mb full speed that is a far cry > > less. You now only will get > > dsl speed at best. They over sold the bandwidth and they do port blocks and > > they also will not > > allow you to set up a game server or anything. > > > > Right now Earthlink is promising that you can get up to 50 times faster then > > dial up on cable > > even thought they go through TW the rep told me that TW can not cap > > Earthlinks speed because that > > would violate FCC regulations. Also earthlink does not care how many PC's > > you set up! They also said > > if for any reason if I discover that the speed is capped then call them > > immediately > > > > It's sad considering that they also use to say on the up to 100 times faster > > then dialup which is bull! > > They also filter newsgroups and do not give you full postings from the news > > groups several times as well. > > If you post they will filter it as well. I was happy before to pay $40.00 a > > month for the speed now $44.95 for less what a gyp. > > > > The other sad thing is I want to know why Best Buys , Comp USA , Circuit > > City , Staples , and Office Depot sell > > cable modems that are standard DOCSIS standard that you can not use in > > Hillsborough County because Tw here > > does not support standard Docsis cable modems. Reason they can not cap the > > after market ones so you have to use their junk. > > > > That is also like before I was paying for HBO and after 5 years of never > > needing a box now you have to have a box to watch it > > even if you pay for the channel so they can charge you a extra $5.95 month > > for a box and extra $3.95 month for a remote if the box has one. Your cable > > ready tuner sets and VCR can only get basic cable without the box before if > > you paid for premium channel you could also watch that . Not any more !!! > > SCAM SCAM SCAM Finally they prebill you per month early before the dates > > you use it the way they do this comes out to they make 3 extra months worth > > of payments in a year! This needs to be stopped! Example bill says pay > > $95.00 for Feb 1st - march 1st but this will be due on the 21st of Feb! > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Grantham, Patrick > > To: 'slug@nks.net' > > Cc: Klawon, Kevin (MVCI) > > Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 9:25 AM > > Subject: [SLUG] time warner port blocking > > > > > > >If you have not found out yet, TWC is blocking incomming tcpip port 80 for > > >their residentianl customers in central florida. Accosding to the tech > > >support (and testing proves it to be true) they are presently blocking only > > >incomming port 80. Examining my apache log files, this apparently (and > > >covertly) started Jan 24. Is anyone else experiencing this? Pleading with > > >the tech support, "Please open it up for me, I use Linux," proved not to be > > >helpful. I conveyed my displeasure not having been notifued to this > > >impending change. He just gave me a number to call to complain. Is anyone > > >else experiencing this? > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 21:50:17 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA15055 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:50:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA15052 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:50:17 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10638 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:50:18 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (24161253hfc210.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.253.210]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0V2nmh28643 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:49:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C58B0CB.4020303@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:49:47 -0500 From: Mark Saunders User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.2.1) Gecko/20010901 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] I need some advice on automount with a CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hello to the SLUG I am trying to resolve a problem with automount and my CDROM. I am running Red Hat 7.2 and the automount worked up until about a month ago when I upgraded from RH 7.1 to 7.2. I have a standard IDE cdrom and it still works fine if I boot with a DOS floppy. If I run etc/init.d/autofs status I get : Configured Mount Points ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/sbin/automount -- timeout 60 /misc file /etc/auto.misc /usr/sbin/automount -- /dev/fd0 yp file /mnt/floppy/vfat /usr/sbin/automount -- /dev/cdrom yp file /mnt/cdrom iso9660 Active Mount Points ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- usr/sbin/automount -- timeout 60 /misc file /etc/auto.misc I believe the text of the auto.master file is incorrect but I cannot find any proper example of what the CDrom entry should look like. It has: /dev/cdrom file /mnt/cdrom iso9660. In addition when I try to manually mount the CD using /bin/mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom I get: /dev/cdrom is not a valid block device. Where do I look block devices up? The floppy will manually mount. Thanks in advance for any help. Mark F. Saunders msaunder@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 22:38:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA15109 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:38:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA15106 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:38:43 -0500 Received: from goliath.cnchost.com (goliath.cnchost.com [207.155.252.47]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10812 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:38:44 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by goliath.cnchost.com id WAA08898; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:38:13 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16W8AS-0004tl-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:45:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:45:39 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] False administrivia Message-ID: <20020130224539.C18767@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug False administrivia bounce ("c*ncel")... ----- Forwarded message from slug@lists.nks.net ----- From: "Patrick Grantham" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] roadrunner complaints Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:49:46 -0500 If twc florida got that nasty I would cancel all service and go satellite or Subscribe to a fracT1 despite the cost difference. Posting a page with a redirect to a different port (i.e. 8383 or 8080) will likely be my solution. I am annoyed that it was done without notice. I may change anyway (I am grateful for the choices.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 7:56 PM Subject: [SLUG] roadrunner complaints > Roadrunner is far from perfect, but this area is very lucky on the > broadband front compared to Maryland, where Comcast dominates cable and > DSL is not widely available. > > When @home was Comcast's (only) cable Internet connection provider, DNS, > email, and member page servers constantly went down -- and @home would > *not* provide credit/refunds for time offline. > > Service call wait time ranged between 5 and 15 days. > > > Now that @home has (deservedly) gone broke, Comcast has raised prices > and is launching a program to detect people running connection-sharing > devices and charge them extra for each connected computer. Bandwidth is > capped; 128K upload max. Ports blocked. 384K download cap, but you > hardly ever got that speed anyway. > > And you now wait a mimimum of 45 minutes on hold for phone support, up > from @home's minimum 30 minutes. > > Not visible to the public but evil: they cut pay to installer & > troubleshooter techs -- independent contractors -- by 20% without > notice. Tim, my oldest stepdaughter's off-and-on boyfriend, is one of > their subcontractors. He's talking about moving ot W. Palm, where he has > family, and going with AOLTW, because he says they treat their service > people better than Comcast. > > And a choice, as in Earthlink? Ha! Comcast has no such plans. Of course, > AOLTW is only doing it because it was an FTC merger condition, but at > least it exists here. > > And in MD, where the telco infrastructure is much older than here, DSL > is not widely available. > > Count your broadband blessing, Tampa Bay people! > > - Robin > > > > > > > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 22:21:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA15091 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:21:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA15088 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:21:26 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10752 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:21:27 -0500 Received: from progeny (653491hfc97.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.91.97]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0V3Kvh11942 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:20:57 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: james martinez To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CodeWeavers Crossover Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:22:13 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <02013003162503.00495@progeny> <3C58021A.8070208@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C58021A.8070208@roblimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02013017221302.00501@progeny> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yeah I know I downloaded all the plugins they had for it and installed them. Nothing stranger than watching a Window install program run on Linux. Yeah the Mandrake gaming edition looks pretty good especially since Loki is going bankrupt. The only problem is I run Debian. I have tried Mandrake didn't care to much for it. So I guess I will just have to keep dual booting to play my computer games atleast until I figure out how to get their gaming stuff to run on Debian. That is interesting to know that Lindows is using the same Wine as Crossover. Cool!! On Wednesday 30 January 2002 09:24, you wrote: > > Just a heads up if you haven't tried this yet. The Crossover plugin from > > CodeWeavers is pretty good. > > Yup. Works fine. Not just Quicktime but Shockwave (you have to download > separately). And other Windows programs, some bet > ter than others. In > fact, while we didn't mention it in the Lindows review on NewsForge, you > will find that the Codeweavers WineX does everything Lindows does... > because that's what Lindows uses. :) > > Get Mandrake gaming edition + Crossover, you spend less than Lindows and > get lots more "home user functionality" at the same time. > > - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 22:33:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA15102 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:33:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA15099 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:33:40 -0500 Received: from warspite.cnchost.com (warspite.concentric.net [207.155.248.9]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10802 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:33:41 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by warspite.cnchost.com id WAA28549; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:33:10 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16W85Z-0004tH-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:40:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:40:36 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: DSL and Linux Message-ID: <20020130224036.A18767@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <3C588142.8040702@ittagteam.com> <002701c1a9f9$cc0f4c30$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <002701c1a9f9$cc0f4c30$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com>; from pwgrant@yahoo.com on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:51:27PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:51:27PM -0500, Patrick Grantham wrote: > How do you connect you Linux box to your DSL hook? Via a router or > directly? > It's like a cable modem, sorta. Little plastic case, three lights. It takes incoming phone line (DSL) and has an RJ45 port that goes to your computer. I have mine going into a NATting firewall. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 30 23:08:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA15176 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:08:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA15173 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:08:30 -0500 Received: from ns.tbi.net ([209.141.252.3]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10921 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:08:31 -0500 Received: from poor-soul (mail.jpow.net [207.204.243.149]) by ns.tbi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25185 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:08:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <200201302308530660.015730C2@mail.tbi.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:08:53 -0500 From: "Father Timothy" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] time warner port blocking Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug TBI is basically a broadband retailer. They do have the basic ISP business which is how they started. I think they told me they have 300 DSL customers. I have a static IP and a 384 up and down as that is all I can get in this part of town. The nice thing is you get Eithernet at the modem. No need for PPPOE or any of those other schemes. Plug in and go. Prices seem to be competitive. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 1/30/2002 at 6:18 PM Ken Billings wrote: >I checked out their website, but it was a little light on details. I'll >possibly give them a call tomorrow, but does anyone happen to know anything >about their business DSL, like a general pricing scheme? >Also, anyone on the list have any personal experience (positive or >negative) >with them as a company? > >-Ken > >-----Original Message----- >From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Father >Timothy >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 04:59 PM >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: RE: [SLUG] time warner port blocking > > >Try WebNet @ http://www.tbi.net > >Rusty > >*********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >On 1/30/2002 at 11:03 AM Ken Billings wrote: > >>So, on that note... What are some of the better DSL providers >available >>around here? I'm looking for a decent price on a 768/384 absolute >minimum >>speed. I'd prefer one that is techie friendly - i.e. low bandwidth >servers >>allowed, email/web space optional, and reverse DNS would be icing. ;) >I >>know _someone_ on the list is happy with their ISP, right? ...right? >Is an >>ISP that just provides a connection, no questions asked, available >without >>paying hundreds of dollars for a "business" account? >> >>As of right now things are cool in St. Petersburg. If they ever do >start >>port blocking, I'll be canceling my roadrunner account, no question. >>Service in the last year+ has been phenomenal (down only once the >night >>they >>upgraded the whole Tampabay area), and speeds have been great, but at >this >>point I just can't live without my servers. ;) >> >>-Ken >> >>BTW, do you know who's on the other end of the complaint line? In >other >>words, would it do any good to call and complain in advance? :) >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of >>Grantham, Patrick >>Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 09:22 AM >>To: 'slug@nks.net' >>Cc: Klawon, Kevin (MVCI) >>Subject: [SLUG] time warner port blocking >> >> >>If you have not found out yet, TWC is blocking incomming tcpip port 80 >for >>their residentianl customers in central florida. Accosding to the >tech >>support (and testing proves it to be true) they are presently blocking >only >>incomming port 80. Examining my apache log files, this apparently >(and >>covertly) started Jan 24. Is anyone else experiencing this? Pleading >with >>the tech support, "Please open it up for me, I use Linux," proved not >to be >>helpful. I conveyed my displeasure not having been notifued to this >>impending change. He just gave me a number to call to complain. Is >anyone >>else experiencing this? From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 01:42:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA15279 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:42:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA15276 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:42:45 -0500 Received: from morpheus-ssn.nks.net (morpheus.nks.net [216.139.201.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11353 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:42:46 -0500 Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by morpheus-ssn.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16900 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:42:16 -0500 Received: from prometheus.gte.net ([65.34.103.75]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020131064115.GSXZ20628.out009.verizon.net@prometheus.gte.net> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:41:15 -0600 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020131012946.030ede90@mail.gte.net> X-Sender: vt1@mail.gte.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:40:42 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: VT Subject: Re: [SLUG] CodeWeavers Crossover In-Reply-To: <3C58021A.8070208@roblimo.com> References: <02013003162503.00495@progeny> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug At 09:24 AM 1/30/2002 -0500, you wrote: >> Just a heads up if you haven't tried this yet. The Crossover >> plugin from CodeWeavers is pretty good. > > >Yup. Works fine. Not just Quicktime but Shockwave (you have to download >separately). And other Windows programs, some better than others. In fact, >while we didn't mention it in the Lindows review on NewsForge, you will >find that the Codeweavers WineX does everything Lindows does... because >that's what Lindows uses. :) > >Get Mandrake gaming edition + Crossover, you spend less than Lindows and >get lots more "home user functionality" at the same time. > >- Robin > Something I found when looking through CodeWeavers' mail list archive is Wine and Crossover in turn are not supported under PPC versions of Linux. This is a bummer since my iMac under Mandrake 8.0 PPC is my Linux workstation. VT From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 02:09:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA15299 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:09:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA15296 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:09:37 -0500 Received: from spanky.onsyd.com (tamqfl1-ar3-171-140.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.34.171.140]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11427 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:09:38 -0500 Received: from ittagteam.com (karma.onsyd.com [192.168.0.10]) by spanky.onsyd.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g0V797eD015145 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:09:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3C58ED93.9060407@ittagteam.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:09:07 -0500 From: Syd Alsobrook User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20020121 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: DSL and Linux References: <3C588142.8040702@ittagteam.com> <002701c1a9f9$cc0f4c30$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have it straight to a switch which also has my public hosts and firwall on it. Syd Patrick Grantham wrote: > How do you connect you Linux box to your DSL hook? Via a router or > directly? > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 06:46:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA15806 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:46:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA15803 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:46:56 -0500 Received: from web20507.mail.yahoo.com (web20507.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.142]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA12458 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:46:58 -0500 Message-ID: <20020131114627.98463.qmail@web20507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.23.26.253] by web20507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 03:46:27 PST Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 03:46:27 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Wilcox Subject: Re: [SLUG] laptop saga continued To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <02013021341700.01600@242819hfc61> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks Glen I appreciate it. --- Glen wrote: > > Yup - it's a kernel module. Most distros will have > this installed by default, > but as always, you'll want to check. > > Glen (stuck in the CNC serial port hell) > > > On Wednesday 30 January 2002 13:20, you wrote: > > Ok now that I decided on a laptop, guess what. It > > doesn't have a serial port which I need for both > an > > external modem as well as my palm pilot. > > > > I have found usp to serial converters, will I need > or > > be able to find a special driver to make this > work? > > > > Thanks, > > Carson > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > > http://auctions.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 07:20:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA15829 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:20:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA15826 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:20:07 -0500 Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA12528 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:20:09 -0500 Received: from user-33qts97.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.241.39] helo=micro.hef) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WGBl-0005nX-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:19:37 -0500 Received: (qmail 9104 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 12:33:56 -0000 Received: from dell.hef (HELO mindspring.com) (133.133.134.5) by micro.hef with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 12:33:56 -0000 Message-ID: <3C5A1BFA.EFAF8874@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:39:22 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Change logs and RCS/CVS References: <20020130184607.A16663@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Paul M Foster wrote: > For projects I'm working on, I'd like to keep the changes I enter for > CVS to be sync'd with those in the Changelog file. In other words, I'd > like not to have to enter the same information twice. You could put a > $Log$ directive into the Changelog file, but it won't get touched at > commit time, unless you've changed the file. > > Anyone know of a way to keep all this stuff in sync, or is there no way? > Or did I poorly explain it? > > Paul Paul- There is a script called cvs2cl.pl that calls "cvs log" (produces really ugly output), and formats it as a ChangeLog file. Simple move into a directory in your cvs-managed working copy, and execute "cvs2cl.pl" (I like to add the --hide-files and --no-wrap options). The one thing that I would like to see (but I don't Perl:-( ) is a unification of all "commits" for a given period (ie all commits in the same day are shown as one entry, or all commits in one week are shown as one entry); there is no option for that. You can pass-in a timespec (ie only show changes for the last 6 months). The same website has a variant that spits-out the ChangeLog as HTML. One last interesting feature (there are many more, but less interesting to me) is "-d" (distributed). This option will create a file named ChangeLog in each subdirectory (under the current directory), with entries for only those commits that involved files in that directory. The script can be downloaded from: http://www.red-bean.com/cvs2cl/cvs2cl.pl The output (with the --hide-files option --no-wrap) looks like: 2002-01-30 16:28 ronan Many Makefile fixes to use iot/makefile.config: IOTDIR, CDIR and ALLCOMMON, and TIC All apps should now be using iotnames.o instead of local implementations (redundant implementations) of bindObjecttoName() and getObject(). 2002-01-30 16:13 ronan Fixes to the problem of EXEs not connecting properly. 2002-01-30 15:56 ronan Added a loop to the stock VBORB code (inside stringToObject()); instead of querying the HTTP server and returning if no answer, loop for 10 seconds trying to get the webpage. 2002-01-30 14:34 ronan Minor changes to Timber VB Client 2002-01-30 11:21 ronan Improved contrib/common/iotnames.cxx. Changed timber/src/timberd.cxx to use iotnames. 2002-01-30 11:20 ronan Added the timber/clients/tic directory and files. 2002-01-30 10:42 ronan Improved Tokenizer class, if you set should_clear=0, you can use successive calls to ::Tokenize() to concatenate string lists. 2002-01-30 10:37 ronan Added the iotnames.h/.cxx to simplify CORBA Nameservice handling! 2002-01-30 09:38 ronan Changed timber_impl.cxx to always use dateobj, not time() ... -- --Ronan Heffernan From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 08:44:42 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA15920 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:44:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA15917 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:44:42 -0500 Received: from raptor.mvci.com (159.075.vbnet.net [205.140.159.75] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA12756 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:44:43 -0500 Received: from 159.066.vbnet.net (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66]) by raptor.mvci.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.abfq) with ESMTP id ua196216 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:46:43 -0500 Message-ID: <05de01c1aa5c$aa59a780$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham" To: References: <3C588142.8040702@ittagteam.com> <002701c1a9f9$cc0f4c30$0401a8c0@computersystemsandservices.com> <3C58ED93.9060407@ittagteam.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: DSL and Linux Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:39:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The use of the expression DSL or cable modem can be misleading..... Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Syd Alsobrook" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: DSL and Linux > I have it straight to a switch which also has my public hosts and > firwall on it. > > Syd > > > Patrick Grantham wrote: > > > How do you connect you Linux box to your DSL hook? Via a router or > > directly? > > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 09:42:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA15987 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:42:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA15984 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:42:04 -0500 Received: from morpheus-ssn.nks.net (morpheus.nks.net [216.139.201.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12988 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:42:06 -0500 Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by morpheus-ssn.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18266 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:41:35 -0500 Received: from desktop1 ([4.61.233.22]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020131144034.IIKA20289.out007.verizon.net@desktop1>; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:40:34 -0600 Message-ID: <003401c1aa65$63100e60$16e93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: Subject: [SLUG] Help With ASUS A7V133 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:41:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I am upgrading our desktop and then plan to dual-boot Debian and Win98se ... the mobo seems to have other ideas. Anyone using an ASUS A7V133 w/VIA Apollo KT133A chipset? I am getting 0028 (memory) errors -- I was fastidious about following instructions when ordering the SDRAM to be certain it was a good match to the mobo and have tried endless variations of BIOS settings. Help? Thanks! doc From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 10:29:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA16016 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:29:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA16013 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:29:15 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA13137 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:29:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 13441 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 15:28:45 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 15:28:45 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:28:43 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] rescue disks Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:28:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3C58B0CB.4020303@tampabay.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug When I use a rescue disk does that put me in the system with root access? If that is the case then that is a very valuable disk. Michael C. Rock From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 10:39:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA16024 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:39:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA16021 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:39:30 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13164 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:39:32 -0500 Received: from icarus (653473hfc106.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.73.106]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0VFd1824862 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:39:01 -0500 From: "Seth Hollen" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Help With ASUS A7V133 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:38:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c1aa6d$662da870$2201a8c0@icarus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <003401c1aa65$63100e60$16e93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Did you try different memory? Is it happening in widows and debian? Take care, Seth Hollen Open Tech Inc. 727-919-1598 seth@hollen.org -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Doc Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:42 AM To: cfgeeks@yahoogroups.com Subject: [SLUG] Help With ASUS A7V133 I am upgrading our desktop and then plan to dual-boot Debian and Win98se ... the mobo seems to have other ideas. Anyone using an ASUS A7V133 w/VIA Apollo KT133A chipset? I am getting 0028 (memory) errors -- I was fastidious about following instructions when ordering the SDRAM to be certain it was a good match to the mobo and have tried endless variations of BIOS settings. Help? Thanks! doc From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 11:44:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA16224 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:44:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA16221 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:44:02 -0500 Received: from jeremybowers.com (adsl-63-207-238-188.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net [63.207.238.188]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13594 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:44:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (ferret@localhost) by jeremybowers.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0VGcKT32746 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:38:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: jeremybowers.com: ferret owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:38:19 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bowers X-X-Sender: ferret@jeremybowers.com To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] Re: DSL and Linux Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I've been using a K6-2 400 as a router/firewall/web n' mail server. The dslmodem plugs directly into a hub, as does my router/firewall/web n' mail server. RH 7.2 makes PPP and IPMasq almost too easy. I remember using 6.1 and having to type out ipchains scripts by hand. -- This message courtesy of PINE! It's the fresh scent, not the graphics. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 12:38:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA16346 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:38:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA16343 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:38:09 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13877 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:38:11 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt0a2n0b.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.25.11]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0VHbeX23502 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:37:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C598224.BDAF854D@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:43:00 -0500 From: Anita Pesola X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] roadrunner complaints References: <000a01c1a9db$1233c840$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <1012414169.1384.1.camel@latitude> <3C589632.1010705@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Count my blessings broadband wise? Not entirely, Rob. I signed up for Verizon DSL back in *JUNE* and still haven't gotten it here in Gibsonton yet. Of course, I'm not currently *PAYING* for it, thank G-d, but unfortunately, my choices as of right now are TWC or dial up service......and my understanding is that Verizon DSL does take into account all it's customers that use Linux. :-) Anita "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" wrote: > Roadrunner is far from perfect, but this area is very lucky on the > broadband front compared to Maryland, where Comcast dominates cable and > DSL is not widely available. > > When @home was Comcast's (only) cable Internet connection provider, DNS, > email, and member page servers constantly went down -- and @home would > *not* provide credit/refunds for time offline. > > Service call wait time ranged between 5 and 15 days. > > Now that @home has (deservedly) gone broke, Comcast has raised prices > and is launching a program to detect people running connection-sharing > devices and charge them extra for each connected computer. Bandwidth is > capped; 128K upload max. Ports blocked. 384K download cap, but you > hardly ever got that speed anyway. > > And you now wait a mimimum of 45 minutes on hold for phone support, up > from @home's minimum 30 minutes. > > Not visible to the public but evil: they cut pay to installer & > troubleshooter techs -- independent contractors -- by 20% without > notice. Tim, my oldest stepdaughter's off-and-on boyfriend, is one of > their subcontractors. He's talking about moving ot W. Palm, where he has > family, and going with AOLTW, because he says they treat their service > people better than Comcast. > > And a choice, as in Earthlink? Ha! Comcast has no such plans. Of course, > AOLTW is only doing it because it was an FTC merger condition, but at > least it exists here. > > And in MD, where the telco infrastructure is much older than here, DSL > is not widely available. > > Count your broadband blessing, Tampa Bay people! > > - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 12:53:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA16360 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:53:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA16357 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:53:44 -0500 Received: from morpheus-ssn.nks.net (morpheus.nks.net [216.139.201.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13949 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:53:46 -0500 Received: from out005.verizon.net (out005pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.105]) by morpheus-ssn.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18728 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:53:15 -0500 Received: from desktop1 ([4.61.233.22]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020131175211.JKWB25740.out005.verizon.net@desktop1> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:52:11 -0600 Message-ID: <029e01c1aa80$291eba60$16e93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: References: <000201c1aa6d$662da870$2201a8c0@icarus> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help With ASUS A7V133 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:53:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Cannot get it stable enough to load Debian, keep crashing with the 0028 memory error. Tried two different 128m sticks, one PC100 one PC133 with the same results. I got the board at the recent Tampa Computer Show from a guy in the back that had tons of them "used" (returned excess inventory I believe) but I can't find a piece of paper with his name. I imagine he knows something to solve this. Thanks! doc > Did you try different memory? Is it happening in widows and debian? > > > Take care, > > Seth Hollen > Open Tech Inc. > 727-919-1598 > seth@hollen.org From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 13:13:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA16401 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:13:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA16398 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:13:53 -0500 Received: from jeremybowers.com (adsl-63-207-238-188.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net [63.207.238.188]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14029 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:13:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (ferret@localhost) by jeremybowers.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0VI8A100599 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:08:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: jeremybowers.com: ferret owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:08:10 -0800 (PST) From: jeremy bowers X-X-Sender: ferret@jeremybowers.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] roadrunner complaints In-Reply-To: <3C598224.BDAF854D@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Is there a St. Pete area DSL provider? I know roadrunner, but do Verizon or TimeWarner have DSL there? Just curious. -- This message courtesy of PINE! It's the fresh scent, not the graphics. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 14:05:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA16438 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:05:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA16435 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:05:33 -0500 Received: from host.ezsitehost.net (host.ezsitehost.net [209.239.53.15]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14220 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:05:35 -0500 Received: from icarus (653473hfc106.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.73.106]) by host.ezsitehost.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0VJ54d06921 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:05:04 -0500 From: "Seth Hollen" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Help With ASUS A7V133 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:04:48 -0500 Organization: Open Tech Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does it work w/ windows fine? What about another disto? Perhaps a very small distro like tom's root boot? I don't know if it has memory testing tools though Take care, Seth Hollen Open Tech Inc. 727-919-1598 seth@hollen.org -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Doc Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:53 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help With ASUS A7V133 Cannot get it stable enough to load Debian, keep crashing with the 0028 memory error. Tried two different 128m sticks, one PC100 one PC133 with the same results. I got the board at the recent Tampa Computer Show from a guy in the back that had tons of them "used" (returned excess inventory I believe) but I can't find a piece of paper with his name. I imagine he knows something to solve this. Thanks! doc > Did you try different memory? Is it happening in widows and debian? > > > Take care, > > Seth Hollen > Open Tech Inc. > 727-919-1598 > seth@hollen.org From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 12:57:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA16374 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:57:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA16371 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:57:44 -0500 Received: from mail15a.boca15-verio.com (mail15a.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA13972 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:57:46 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15a.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 016686556 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:56:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C5985D5.8030909@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:58:45 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] roadrunner complaints References: <000a01c1a9db$1233c840$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <1012414169.1384.1.camel@latitude> <3C589632.1010705@roblimo.com> <3C598224.BDAF854D@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM855; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Anita Pesola wrote: > Count my blessings broadband wise? Not entirely, Rob. I signed up for > Verizon DSL back in *JUNE* and still haven't gotten it here in Gibsonton > yet. Of course, I'm not currently *PAYING* for it, thank G-d, but > unfortunately, my choices as of right now are TWC or dial up > service......and my understanding is that Verizon DSL does take into account > all it's customers that use Linux. :-) I'm satisfied with TWC. We had seven people connected to TWC at our place last week through an Apple Airport, and had no slowdowns. I have had -0- problems connecting Linux boxes directly to the cable modem. The only problem we had -- a defective modem -- brought a courteous service rep to our door in less than four hours with a replacement modem, an apology, and an "Oh, you use Linux? Then you do the setup and I'll watch and learn instead of the other around" attitude. Of course, with Mandrake it's pitifully simple (easier than Windows) to establish a DHCP cable modem connection. We've only had one significant TWC outage; the one that took down all kinds of services in the southeast because of backbone problems, and cut off Earthlink/Mindspring too. My backup-to-the-backup dialup UUNet account still worked, but only for my Linux box; UUNet supports Linux just fine, but doesn't play well with Macs -- or Apple Airports. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 16:50:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA16824 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:50:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA16821 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:50:02 -0500 Received: from gandalf.mptotalcare.com ([63.150.250.41]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15008 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:50:04 -0500 Received: from rufus.mptotalcare.com (rufus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.21]) by gandalf.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA05395 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:49:33 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by rufus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA11782 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:49:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rufus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: [SLUG] Microsoft Linux? From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 31 Jan 2002 16:49:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1012513773.9960.0.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug http://www.mslinux.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 17:19:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA16908 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:19:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA16905 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:19:46 -0500 Received: from morpheus-ssn.nks.net (morpheus.nks.net [216.139.201.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15159 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:19:48 -0500 Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by morpheus-ssn.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19357 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:19:17 -0500 Received: from desktop1 ([4.61.233.22]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020131221816.SZJ11848.out009.verizon.net@desktop1> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:18:16 -0600 Message-ID: <042201c1aaa5$51bdbf00$16e93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: References: <1012513773.9960.0.camel@menix> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Linux? Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:19:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Subject: [SLUG] Microsoft Linux? > http://www.mslinux.org/ I don't even want to see the lawsuit that is coming to the author of this! Actually, M$ is foolish not to release a version of Linux -- for several reasons: 1. There is no way they will ever be able to fix Windows well enough to meet the terms of his recent pontifications. 2. He could steal the benefits of all of the hard work of Linux folks by merely outspending them on marketing -- buying up Stormix, Progeny, or a still-on- the-market version of Linux would enable him to bring a product to market within a year at a fraction of the cost of rewriting Windows. 3. He could so confuse most consumers that he could stall the spread of much of the rest of the Linux distros for quite a while, causing more of them to fail. Sure hope he doesn't read this ... doc From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 17:21:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA16921 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:21:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA16918 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:21:11 -0500 Received: from morpheus-ssn.nks.net (morpheus.nks.net [216.139.201.7]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15175 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:21:13 -0500 Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by morpheus-ssn.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19367 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:20:42 -0500 Received: from desktop1 ([4.61.233.22]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020131221941.XYB29231.out007.verizon.net@desktop1> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:19:41 -0600 Message-ID: <042a01c1aaa5$84b71000$16e93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Doc" To: Subject: [SLUG] Anyone Attend the Most Recent Computer Show? Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:20:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I need help to try to identify the company that I got this mobo from at the recent Computer Show in Tampa. Anyone go? doc From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 17:32:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA16986 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:32:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA16983 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:32:14 -0500 Received: from hoju-ext.nks.net (hoju-ext.nks.net [216.139.204.180]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15260 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:32:03 -0500 Received: from two.nks.net (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju-ext.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA29032 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:31:26 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] Re: "Some good reasons not to use Linux" From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 31 Jan 2002 17:31:18 -0500 Message-Id: <1012516278.1042.45.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi Robin, Just read your "Why _not_ to use Linux" article and had just a couple of comments/questions I wanted to pose, but not in the feedback/comments since that would just be a waste of time... (which goes to show that I fully agree with at least the latter part of your story. :) Other than proper CMYK colorspace support, what do you see as glaring drawbacks in using "The Gimp" for full-on DTP? As far as scanner support goes, have you checked out Vuescan? (http://www.hamrick.com/) I have agreed in the past that this is a big sore spot for Linux users, but not since having found this software. It's commercial, yes, and closed-source, but dammit it works and it works about a zillion times better than the inappropriately named SANE stuff does. And, just as an addendum, I use Windows at times to play games. I'm still addicted to Diablo II, the various Baldur's Gate editions, Black & White and Rollercoaster Tycoon. I would LOVE to have any of those ported to Linux, but I'm not holding my breath. On the other hand, I play Unreal Tournament and Tribes 2 under Linux all the time and they run great. That's why there's dual-boot. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 17:35:17 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA16996 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:35:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA16993 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:35:17 -0500 Received: from femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.26]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15279 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:35:18 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([68.42.208.33]) by femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020131223441.HTUE18592.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:34:41 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Linux? Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:32:32 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <1012513773.9960.0.camel@menix> <042201c1aaa5$51bdbf00$16e93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> In-Reply-To: <042201c1aaa5$51bdbf00$16e93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02013122323206.05351@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 31 January 2002 17:19, you wrote: > Subject: [SLUG] Microsoft Linux? > > > http://www.mslinux.org/ > > I don't even want to see the lawsuit that is coming to the author of this! > It's parody, a protected form of speech. The web site is at least two years old (IIRC) Bill From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 17:09:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA16874 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:09:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA16871 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:09:59 -0500 Received: from mail15a.boca15-verio.com (mail15a.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA15118 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:10:00 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15a.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 016958876 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:08:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C59C0DB.4010105@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:10:35 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Linux? References: <1012513773.9960.0.camel@menix> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM855; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Matt Miller wrote: > http://www.mslinux.org/ Old joke, new dates added. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 18:06:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA17092 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:06:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA17089 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:06:25 -0500 Received: from ns1.socaldns.com ([216.240.135.106]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15444 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:06:26 -0500 Received: from there (242819hfc28.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.19.28]) by ns1.socaldns.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA19697 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:04:59 -0800 Message-Id: <200201312304.PAA19697@ns1.socaldns.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] roadrunner complaints Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:09:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi there, I just had a talk with a network engeneer at RR to get to the bottom of this port blocking. I did not want to get caught with my pants down. In short their policy is that they "DO NOT BLOCK ANY PORT for any reason." Even when they got hit by Code Red (which they do not feel hit them very hard) they did not block any port. They very heavily disagreee with any such claims as pure rumors. Sometimes there are equipment problems, but never any intended port blocking. In fact he laughed at it as something totally nuts to do. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 18:21:56 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA17155 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:21:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA17152 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:21:55 -0500 Received: from mail15a.boca15-verio.com (mail15a.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.57]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA15532 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:21:57 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15a.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 016968915 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:20:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C59D1C9.9060608@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:22:49 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: "Some good reasons not to use Linux" References: <1012516278.1042.45.camel@two> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM855; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Other than proper CMYK colorspace support, what do you see as glaring > drawbacks in using "The Gimp" for full-on DTP? That's the dealbreaker right there. The rest of the "why I can't use Gimp even though I'd like to" talk I've heard from layout people revolved around filters and other minor issues. *BUT* it sounds as if Scribus, a (GPL) DTP program that's in works, has CMYK and (gasp) handles jumps. My reviewer -- a Linux user who works on a college paper that is locked to Quark -- seems to feel Gimp + Scribus isn't far from offering a viable replacement for Photoshop + Quark. The Scribusreview will be up next week > > As far as scanner support goes, have you checked out Vuescan? Nope. I am one person and (contrary to popular belief) I don't have endless time or knowledge. :) So would you be so kind as to write a review of, or short descriptive piece about, Vuescan for Linux.com? > And, just as an addendum, I use Windows at times to play games. I'm > still addicted to Diablo II, the various Baldur's Gate editions, Black & > White and Rollercoaster Tycoon. I would LOVE to have any of those > ported to Linux, but I'm not holding my breath. On the other hand, I > play Unreal Tournament and Tribes 2 under Linux all the time and they > run great. That's why there's dual-boot. I'm not a game person. I tend to spend my computer time working, and get away from the Dim Glow for recreation. I hear all kinds of blah-blah about Linux games and nod and smile. It *seems to me* in a general sense that with consoles getting so sophisticated, they may become combination game machines and home (wireless) servers, with computer work being done on laptops. I dunno. But I'll repeat one prediction I made in a previous column that was mostly ignored, and othrwise scoffed at: before too long, the concept of the "operating system" as we know it today will be replaced by something else. I have no idea what it'll be, just that there are so many people putting so much thought into how we interact with computing devices that one of them is bound to come up with something new. Also, please remember that you can only expect so much from a self-appointed futurist who lives in a trailer park. :) - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 18:29:42 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA17189 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:29:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA17186 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:29:42 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15580 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:29:43 -0500 Received: from 242819hfc61 (242819hfc61.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.19.61]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0VNTDX11111 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:29:13 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Glen To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Last Loki games Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:34:44 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02013118344400.01508@242819hfc61> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey all. I bought the final few games I didn't have from Loki today. Now I am missing 4 which they no longer had: Heavy Gear II Soldier of Fortune Unreal Tournament Civilization: Call to Power Once I get these last 4, I'll have the whole collection. Which brings me to the topic: Does anyone here have these games and be willing to part with / c$py them? Commercial gaming in Linux took a nose dive today (officially), but I'd like to keep it alive at my house :) Glen From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 18:35:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA17208 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:35:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA17202 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:35:00 -0500 Received: from repulse.cnchost.com (repulse.concentric.net [207.155.248.4]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15604 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:35:01 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by repulse.cnchost.com id SAA00563; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:34:29 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16WQqL-0006PC-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:42:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:42:08 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] (FWD) BOUNCE slug@lists.nks.net: Admin request of type /^\s*help\s*$/i at line 8 taboo body match "/.*\<.*doctype html/i" at line 56 taboo body match "/.*\/i" at line 57 Message-ID: <20020131184208.A19171@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug False administrivia bounce. _And_ HTML. Grrr. ----- Forwarded message from slug@lists.nks.net ----- From: "John Wright" To: Subject: Having problems with Mice Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:01:22 -0500 Message-ID: HELP I have 3 older PS's with Serial mouse ports and 1 with the std. PS/2 mouse connector. I am trying to use a KVM (Keyboard Video Mouse) Switch to reduce the number of monitors and peripherals. My problem is this. I can't seem to be able to find an adapter to ( CORRECTLY) convert PS/2 to Serial. I need to get from a PS/2 mouse ( plugs into the "common" side of the switch). Then a PS/2(M)to a Serial mouse connector on the PC ( comm. 1 / DB-9(f)) It has been suggested that The mouse must be capable to operate as a serial or PS/2, and that adapters won't work unless the mouse can read the signal. I have dissected 2 PS/2 mice and found a 4 wire and a 6 wire configuration. HOW DO YOU TELL WHICH MICE ARE WHICH ???? ( PS/2) HOW CAN I TEST THESE DIFFERENCES TO QUALIFY THE MOUSE?? IS A MOUSE WITH 4 WIRES(internal) OR THE MOUSE WITH 6 WIRES(internal) A COMPATIBLE MOUSE ????? What is the pin designations for a serial mouse and there corresponding ps/2 pin-outs and designations ??. I don't have a problem making an adapter myself, I just need the pin-out for the conversion. P.S. I just tried a couple of rounds with gender changers without success. thanks Fred From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 18:53:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA17251 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:53:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA17248 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:53:50 -0500 Received: from agamemnon.cnchost.com (agamemnon.cnchost.com [207.155.252.31]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15700 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:53:51 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by agamemnon.cnchost.com id SAA04603; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:53:20 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16WR8a-0006Qd-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:01:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:01:00 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: "Some good reasons not to use Linux" Message-ID: <20020131190100.B19171@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <1012516278.1042.45.camel@two> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1012516278.1042.45.camel@two>; from dglidden@illusionary.com on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 05:31:18PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 05:31:18PM -0500, Derek Glidden wrote: > > Hi Robin, > Just read your "Why _not_ to use Linux" article and had just a couple of > comments/questions I wanted to pose, but not in the feedback/comments > since that would just be a waste of time... (which goes to show that I > fully agree with at least the latter part of your story. :) > > Other than proper CMYK colorspace support, what do you see as glaring > drawbacks in using "The Gimp" for full-on DTP? > Full on DTP? I'm not sure if you mean what I mean when I say that. Since I'm in that business, I can say for certain that the Gimp is not up to the task, and never should be. Nancy (who does the actual DTP for our company) could tell you more about what's involved. If you're going to do real DTP, not even MS Publisher will do. You need PageMaker or Quark (or maybe InDesign, but the jury's still out on that one). There are all kinds of little things that make a page layout package useful or useless. You may be able to torture a package into doing some of this stuff, but if it's not simple to do without a lot of rigamarole, it's not worth it. You can do DTP with MS Pub, but not professionally. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 20:03:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA17430 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:03:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA17427 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:03:24 -0500 Received: from femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.33]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16025 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:03:26 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.65.151]) by femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020201010250.MMRG12927.femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com@pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:02:50 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help With ASUS A7V133 From: Logan To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <003401c1aa65$63100e60$16e93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> References: <003401c1aa65$63100e60$16e93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 31 Jan 2002 20:06:08 -0500 Message-Id: <1012525569.15736.1.camel@maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug What are the actual errors you are receiving? I have had no problems with that mobo. I have dumped SuSE and Debian on them. The Logan On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 09:41, Doc wrote: > I am upgrading our desktop and then plan to dual-boot Debian and Win98se ... > the mobo seems to have other ideas. > > Anyone using an ASUS A7V133 w/VIA Apollo KT133A chipset? > > I am getting 0028 (memory) errors -- I was fastidious about following > instructions when ordering the SDRAM to be certain it was a good match to > the mobo and have tried endless variations of BIOS settings. > > Help? Thanks! doc -- 8:00pm up 11 days, 19:12, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.01 Think honk if you're a telepath. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 20:09:47 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA17451 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:09:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA17448 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:09:46 -0500 Received: from femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.33]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16055 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:09:48 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.65.151]) by femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020201010917.MQRI12927.femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com@pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:09:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Last Loki games From: Logan To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <02013118344400.01508@242819hfc61> References: <02013118344400.01508@242819hfc61> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 31 Jan 2002 20:12:35 -0500 Message-Id: <1012525956.15736.7.camel@maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Sorry, I have been in a cave for a while. But from your post am I to understand that there is no more Loki? I have a copy of Civilization: Call to Power I purchased a year ago. The only problem is you have to download patch 1 and 2 from them for it to be perfect. Now that Loki has gone under, is it legal to burn copies and distribute? I will give you a copy if it is... but if we can no longer download the patches... its not the same game... Trust me, I have played it without mercy! The Logan On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 18:34, Glen wrote: > Hey all. I bought the final few games I didn't have from Loki today. Now I am > missing 4 which they no longer had: > > Heavy Gear II > Soldier of Fortune > Unreal Tournament > Civilization: Call to Power > > Once I get these last 4, I'll have the whole collection. Which brings me to > the topic: Does anyone here have these games and be willing to part with / > c$py them? > > Commercial gaming in Linux took a nose dive today (officially), but I'd like > to keep it alive at my house :) > > Glen -- 8:05pm up 11 days, 19:17, 2 users, load average: 0.48, 0.37, 0.14 The basic menu item, in fact the ONLY menu item, would be a food unit called the "patty," consisting of -- this would be guaranteed in writing -- "100 percent animal matter of some kind." All patties would be heated up and then cooled back down in electronic devices immediately before serving. The Breakfast Patty would be a patty on a bun with lettuce, tomato, onion, egg, Ba-Ko-Bits, Cheez Whiz, a Special Sauce made by pouring ketchup out of a bottle and a little slip of paper stating: "Inspected by Number 12". The Lunch or Dinner Patty would be any Breakfast Patties that didn't get sold in the morning. The Seafood Lover's Patty would be any patties that were starting to emit a serious aroma. Patties that were too rank even to be Seafood Lover's Patties would be compressed into wads and sold as "Nuggets." -- Dave Barry, "'Mister Mediocre' Restaurants" From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 20:28:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA17487 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:28:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA17484 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:28:22 -0500 Received: from dev.nethouse.com (what.ifelse.org [208.171.40.202]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16101 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:28:24 -0500 Received: (from btt@localhost) by dev.nethouse.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g111MOF72271 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:22:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from btt) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:22:24 -0500 From: btt@nethouse.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: "Some good reasons not to use Linux" Message-ID: <20020201012224.GA72155@dev.nethouse.com> References: <1012516278.1042.45.camel@two> <3C59D1C9.9060608@roblimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C59D1C9.9060608@roblimo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 06:22:49PM -0500, Robin (Roblimo) Miller wrote: > > >Other than proper CMYK colorspace support, what do you see as glaring > >drawbacks in using "The Gimp" for full-on DTP? > > That's the dealbreaker right there. The rest of the "why I can't use > Gimp even though I'd like to" talk I've heard from layout people > revolved around filters and other minor issues. *BUT* it sounds as if > Scribus, a (GPL) DTP program that's in works, has CMYK and (gasp) > handles jumps. My reviewer -- a Linux user who works on a college paper > that is locked to Quark -- seems to feel Gimp + Scribus isn't far from > offering a viable replacement for Photoshop + Quark. The Scribusreview > will be up next week Spot color support, and specifically Pantone licensing. $$$ Bill From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 21:09:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA17613 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:09:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA17610 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:09:24 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.68] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16306 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:09:25 -0500 Received: from rr (653267hfc110.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.110]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g1128sX15705 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:08:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000401c1aac5$c10e3ea0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Last Loki games Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:11:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If you want you better get all the patches right now from loki as the site is still running but I would not wait. You should grab all of them. -----Original Message----- From: Logan To: SLUG Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Last Loki games >Sorry, I have been in a cave for a while. But from your post am I to >understand that there is no more Loki? I have a copy of Civilization: >Call to Power I purchased a year ago. The only problem is you have to >download patch 1 and 2 from them for it to be perfect. Now that Loki >has gone under, is it legal to burn copies and distribute? I will give >you a copy if it is... but if we can no longer download the patches... >its not the same game... Trust me, I have played it without mercy! > >The Logan >On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 18:34, Glen wrote: >> Hey all. I bought the final few games I didn't have from Loki today. Now I am >> missing 4 which they no longer had: >> >> Heavy Gear II >> Soldier of Fortune >> Unreal Tournament >> Civilization: Call to Power >> >> Once I get these last 4, I'll have the whole collection. Which brings me to >> the topic: Does anyone here have these games and be willing to part with / >> c$py them? >> >> Commercial gaming in Linux took a nose dive today (officially), but I'd like >> to keep it alive at my house :) >> >> Glen >-- >8:05pm up 11 days, 19:17, 2 users, load average: 0.48, 0.37, 0.14 >The basic menu item, in fact the ONLY menu item, would be a food unit >called the "patty," consisting of -- this would be guaranteed in writing >-- "100 percent animal matter of some kind." All patties would be heated >up and then cooled back down in electronic devices immediately before >serving. The Breakfast Patty would be a patty on a bun with lettuce, >tomato, onion, egg, Ba-Ko-Bits, Cheez Whiz, a Special Sauce made by >pouring ketchup out of a bottle and a little slip of paper stating: >"Inspected by Number 12". The Lunch or Dinner Patty would be any >Breakfast Patties that didn't get sold in the morning. The Seafood >Lover's Patty would be any patties that were starting to emit a serious >aroma. Patties that were too rank even to be Seafood Lover's Patties >would be compressed into wads and sold as "Nuggets." -- Dave Barry, >"'Mister Mediocre' Restaurants" > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 20:30:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA17493 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:30:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA17489 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:30:28 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16110 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:30:30 -0500 Received: from rr (653267hfc110.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.110]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g111Txt25503 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:29:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001b01c1aac0$5212efa0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help With ASUS A7V133 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:32:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Unfortunately a lot of times when you buy used stuff especially at the shows you are stuck with the item. Have you also tried a different processor ? -----Original Message----- From: Doc To: slug@nks.net Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help With ASUS A7V133 >Cannot get it stable enough to load Debian, keep crashing with the >0028 memory error. > >Tried two different 128m sticks, one PC100 one PC133 with the >same results. > >I got the board at the recent Tampa Computer Show from a guy >in the back that had tons of them "used" (returned excess inventory >I believe) but I can't find a piece of paper with his name. I imagine >he knows something to solve this. > >Thanks! doc > >> Did you try different memory? Is it happening in widows and debian? >> >> >> Take care, >> >> Seth Hollen >> Open Tech Inc. >> 727-919-1598 >> seth@hollen.org > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 20:33:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA17507 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:33:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA17504 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:33:54 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.cfl.rr.com [65.32.2.69] (may be forged)) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16128 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:33:56 -0500 Received: from rr (653267hfc110.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.110]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g111XPt28398 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:33:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003301c1aac0$ccb5e500$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Linux? Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:35:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This site has been around for a while. How ever they did dress it with the showing of the newer Xp stuff. It does deserve a good laugh. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:57 PM Subject: [SLUG] Microsoft Linux? >http://www.mslinux.org/ > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 20:37:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA17530 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:37:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA17527 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:37:44 -0500 Received: from bigcan2.rapidsys.com (rsdsl.rapidsys.com [209.84.253.13]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16153 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:37:46 -0500 Received: by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:37:16 -0500 Received: from hera (moehome3.rapidsys.com [198.92.99.31]) by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id D8D879KF; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:37:11 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c1aac0$e31c25c0$a9a8a8c0@hera> From: Mauricio Borgen To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] roadrunner complaints Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:36:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yes VZ does cover that area but some areas and line conditions may disqualify you. Best thing is to call VZ and ask them. -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of jeremy bowers Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 1:08 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] roadrunner complaints Is there a St. Pete area DSL provider? I know roadrunner, but do Verizon or TimeWarner have DSL there? Just curious. -- This message courtesy of PINE! It's the fresh scent, not the graphics. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 20:51:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA17566 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:51:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA17563 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:51:53 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16265 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:51:55 -0500 Received: from rr (653267hfc110.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.67.110]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g111pOt14477 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:51:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007101c1aac3$4f8efc80$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bpreece" To: Subject: [SLUG] re:Motherboard problems Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:53:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If you got it from the guy who does the junk fest he is from Orlando. www.junkfest.com also though he is a type once you buy it is yours as most is. most of these people take junk that they know will not work and sell it. Sometimes you get lucky sometimes you get nothing good. I would try to use a different CPU. Also have you tried to load any other distro or Os? As for anyone else there most of these people do not always do the same shows. Also though you can try to do a research at www.marketpro.com they list the vendors that they usually have. Good luck Bill Preece P.s. You may also want to go to the motherboard manufacture web site see if there is a bios update then the latest on the system Also in the bios do not tell it that plug and play Os is loaded as this can cause problems. Also can you use a Dos bootable disk and then run a memory diagnostic you still could also have bad ram. Also re check all jumper settings. if the voltage is off you can have problems as well. Peace! From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 21:15:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA17634 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:15:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA17631 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:15:22 -0500 Received: from femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.144]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16328 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:15:24 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([68.42.208.33]) by femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020201021453.NUWM20324.femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:14:53 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] roadrunner complaints Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:12:44 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <000a01c1a9db$1233c840$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <3C598224.BDAF854D@tampabay.rr.com> <3C5985D5.8030909@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C5985D5.8030909@roblimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02020102124409.05351@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 31 January 2002 12:58, you wrote: My backup-to-the-backup dialup UUNet > account still worked, but only for my Linux box; UUNet supports Linux > just fine, but doesn't play well with Macs -- or Apple Airports. > > - Robin Robin, You can't know how much that warms my heart. Does it also tell MSFT to take a flyin' leap? From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 21:33:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA17658 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:33:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA17655 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:33:34 -0500 Received: from femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.128]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16376 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:33:36 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.65.151]) by femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020201023305.SHTT18525.femail19.sdc1.sfba.home.com@pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:33:05 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Last Loki games From: Logan To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <000401c1aac5$c10e3ea0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> References: <000401c1aac5$c10e3ea0$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 31 Jan 2002 21:36:23 -0500 Message-Id: <1012530983.15736.35.camel@maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Arrrgh!!! I just tried to snatch the patches but the file is a .run file... Something similiar to Gnome red-carpet... I will email them and post the results. The Logan On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 21:11, Bpreece wrote: > If you want you better get all the patches right now from loki as the site > is still running but I would not wait. > You should grab all of them. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Logan > To: SLUG > Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Last Loki games > > > >Sorry, I have been in a cave for a while. But from your post am I to > >understand that there is no more Loki? I have a copy of Civilization: > >Call to Power I purchased a year ago. The only problem is you have to > >download patch 1 and 2 from them for it to be perfect. Now that Loki > >has gone under, is it legal to burn copies and distribute? I will give > >you a copy if it is... but if we can no longer download the patches... > >its not the same game... Trust me, I have played it without mercy! > > > >The Logan > >On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 18:34, Glen wrote: > >> Hey all. I bought the final few games I didn't have from Loki today. Now > I am > >> missing 4 which they no longer had: > >> > >> Heavy Gear II > >> Soldier of Fortune > >> Unreal Tournament > >> Civilization: Call to Power > >> > >> Once I get these last 4, I'll have the whole collection. Which brings me > to > >> the topic: Does anyone here have these games and be willing to part with > / > >> c$py them? > >> > >> Commercial gaming in Linux took a nose dive today (officially), but I'd > like > >> to keep it alive at my house :) > >> > >> Glen > >-- > >8:05pm up 11 days, 19:17, 2 users, load average: 0.48, 0.37, 0.14 > >The basic menu item, in fact the ONLY menu item, would be a food unit > >called the "patty," consisting of -- this would be guaranteed in writing > >-- "100 percent animal matter of some kind." All patties would be heated > >up and then cooled back down in electronic devices immediately before > >serving. The Breakfast Patty would be a patty on a bun with lettuce, > >tomato, onion, egg, Ba-Ko-Bits, Cheez Whiz, a Special Sauce made by > >pouring ketchup out of a bottle and a little slip of paper stating: > >"Inspected by Number 12". The Lunch or Dinner Patty would be any > >Breakfast Patties that didn't get sold in the morning. The Seafood > >Lover's Patty would be any patties that were starting to emit a serious > >aroma. Patties that were too rank even to be Seafood Lover's Patties > >would be compressed into wads and sold as "Nuggets." -- Dave Barry, > >"'Mister Mediocre' Restaurants" > > > > -- 9:35pm up 11 days, 20:47, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.34, 0.47 Everything you've learned in school as "obvious" becomes less and less obvious as you begin to study the universe. For example, there are no solids in the universe. There's not even a suggestion of a solid. There are no absolute continuums. There are no surfaces. There are no straight lines. -- R. Buckminster Fuller From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 22:26:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA17742 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:26:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA17739 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:26:08 -0500 Received: from mail15b.boca15-verio.com (mail15b.boca15-verio.com [208.55.91.59]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16560 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:26:09 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (131.103.237.139) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.60s) with SMTP id 015577228 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:24:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C5A0B0C.7090000@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:27:08 -0500 From: "Robin (Roblimo) Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] roadrunner complaints References: <000a01c1a9db$1233c840$6e432041@rr.tampabay.rr.com> <3C598224.BDAF854D@tampabay.rr.com> <3C5985D5.8030909@roblimo.com> <02020102124409.05351@a.genesis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM855; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug >>account still worked, but only for my Linux box; UUNet supports Linux >>just fine, but doesn't play well with Macs -- or Apple Airports. > Robin, You can't know how much that warms my heart. Does it also tell MSFT to > take a flyin' leap? I have no idea. We have a couple of computers running Linux and one running Mac around here. None of this "MiSFiT" of which you speak. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 21:55:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA17710 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:55:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA17707 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:55:53 -0500 Received: from femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.33]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16457 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:55:55 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.65.151]) by femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020201025524.OYMO12927.femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com@pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:55:24 -0800 Subject: [SLUG] I sent this to Loki... Hopefully I can help you all.. at least the gamers From: Logan To: SLUG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 31 Jan 2002 21:58:42 -0500 Message-Id: <1012532323.16209.53.camel@maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi folks, I play three games... Civ Call to Power, Heroes III... and Nethack. Nethack I dont worry about. Civ and Heroes I do as I have to download patches from my commercial CDROMS. I sent this message to support@lokigames.com: >Hello, > I bought and registered both Civ Call to Power and Heroes III >from you. What I want to know is how I can get the patches, >henceforth, without using the .run files you have. Will your server >always be extant or will you dump tarballz to the customers? I >remember, some time ago, getting tarballz from you guys before you had >the .run thing going on (searching my zip drive archives! Hopefully I >didn't dump mp3z on top of them.) If you still have the tarballs >available, I will set up a server at home to allow your customers >access to these essential patches. I am sorry to hear of your demise. >Logan -- 9:45pm up 11 days, 20:57, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.17, 0.31 I value kindness to human beings first of all, and kindness to animals. I don't respect the law; I have a total irreverence for anything connected with society except that which makes the roads safer, the beer stronger, the food cheaper, and old men and women warmer in the winter, and happier in the summer. -- Brendan Behan From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 21:17:44 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA17644 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:17:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA17641 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:17:44 -0500 Received: from ajax.cnchost.com (ajax.cnchost.com [207.155.248.31]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16333 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:17:45 -0500 Received: from quillandmouse.com (tamqfl1-ar4-076-029.tamqfl1.dsl.gtei.net [4.41.76.29]) by ajax.cnchost.com id VAA26556; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:17:12 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Received: from paulf by quillandmouse.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16WTNr-0006ZY-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:24:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:24:53 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Change logs and RCS/CVS Message-ID: <20020131212453.F19171@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Paul M Foster , slug@nks.net References: <20020130184607.A16663@quillandmouse.com> <3C5A1BFA.EFAF8874@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C5A1BFA.EFAF8874@mindspring.com>; from ronan.heffernan@mindspring.com on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 11:39:22PM -0500 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 11:39:22PM -0500, Ronan Heffernan wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: > > > For projects I'm working on, I'd like to keep the changes I enter for > > CVS to be sync'd with those in the Changelog file. In other words, I'd > > like not to have to enter the same information twice. You could put a > > $Log$ directive into the Changelog file, but it won't get touched at > > commit time, unless you've changed the file. > > > > Anyone know of a way to keep all this stuff in sync, or is there no way? > > Or did I poorly explain it? > > > > Paul > > Paul- > There is a script called cvs2cl.pl that calls "cvs log" (produces really > ugly output), and formats it as a ChangeLog file. Simple move into a > directory in your cvs-managed working copy, and execute "cvs2cl.pl" (I like > to add the --hide-files and --no-wrap options). The one thing that I would > like to see (but I don't Perl:-( ) is a unification of all "commits" for a > given period (ie all commits in the same day are shown as one entry, or all > commits in one week are shown as one entry); there is no option for that. > You can pass-in a timespec (ie only show changes for the last 6 months). > The same website has a variant that spits-out the ChangeLog as HTML. One > last interesting feature (there are many more, but less interesting to me) > is "-d" (distributed). This option will create a file named ChangeLog in > each subdirectory (under the current directory), with entries for only those > commits that involved files in that directory. > > The script can be downloaded from: http://www.red-bean.com/cvs2cl/cvs2cl.pl > Very kewl! Thanks, Paul From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 21:59:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA17715 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:59:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA17712 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:59:07 -0500 Received: from femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.16]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16465 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:59:09 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.65.151]) by femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020201025838.PJLW18983.femail26.sdc1.sfba.home.com@pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:58:38 -0800 Subject: [SLUG] downloaded Civ and Heroes .run files just incase. From: Logan To: SLUG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 31 Jan 2002 22:01:56 -0500 Message-Id: <1012532516.15739.56.camel@maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi All, If you need the .run files for Civ Call to Power or Heroes III, I have them. Those are the two games I bought out of love. The Logan -- 10:00pm up 11 days, 21:12, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.05, 0.13 Toilet Toup'ee, n.: Any shag carpet that causes the lid to become top-heavy, thus creating endless annoyance to male users. -- Rich Hall, "Sniglets" From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 22:01:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA17721 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:01:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA17718 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:01:53 -0500 Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16486 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:01:55 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.65.151]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020201030124.SCRK22669.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:01:24 -0800 Subject: [SLUG] Bah!!! Just received reply from Loki... From: Logan To: SLUG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 31 Jan 2002 22:04:42 -0500 Message-Id: <1012532682.15739.59.camel@maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ciao Tutti, I just received this repley Thanks for contacting Loki technical support. We are sorry that we are unable to respond directly to your inquiry at this time. For support for your Loki product, please use the following online resources: Support (bug) Database: http://fenris.lokigames.com FAQs: http://faqs.lokigames.com Website: http://www.lokigames.com/support Usenet: news://news.lokigames.com -- support@lokigames.com The Loki Technical Support Team The Logan -- 10:00pm up 11 days, 21:12, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.05, 0.13 Toilet Toup'ee, n.: Any shag carpet that causes the lid to become top-heavy, thus creating endless annoyance to male users. -- Rich Hall, "Sniglets" From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 22:04:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA17726 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:04:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA17723 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:04:34 -0500 Received: from femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.106]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16493 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:04:35 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.65.151]) by femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020201030404.RGYM12035.femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com@pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:04:04 -0800 Subject: [SLUG] Why? From: Logan To: SLUG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 31 Jan 2002 22:07:22 -0500 Message-Id: <1012532843.15736.64.camel@maria> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi All, I feel bad about this Loki thing. Maybe you can tell from my multiposts. I get such a good Linux vibe when I am in Europe, which is most of the time, but now I just feel like drinking heavily about this Loki dying thing. Ugh, I guess I love Linux too much. The Logan -- 10:00pm up 11 days, 21:12, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.05, 0.13 Toilet Toup'ee, n.: Any shag carpet that causes the lid to become top-heavy, thus creating endless annoyance to male users. -- Rich Hall, "Sniglets" From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 23:17:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA17800 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:17:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA17797 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:17:56 -0500 Received: from smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16709 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:17:58 -0500 From: tufer@tampabay.rr.com Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g114HRh24584 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:17:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202010417.g114HRh24584@smtp-server6.tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Back on Linux Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:17:27 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have just completed my RH 7.1 install.... finally. Now I have another question. what e-mail client do you all use ? I'm running gnome and RH 7.1. RoadRunner seems to not like Netscape's mail client for some reason. I use the same settings I have on my w2k machine, but I can't get mail. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 22:52:16 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA17791 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:52:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA17788 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:52:15 -0500 Received: from femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.149]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16654 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:52:17 -0500 Received: from a.genesis.com ([68.42.208.33]) by femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020201035146.TMXJ6156.femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com@a.genesis.com> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:51:46 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bill To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help With ASUS A7V133 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:48:56 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <000201c1aa6d$662da870$2201a8c0@icarus> <029e01c1aa80$291eba60$16e93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> In-Reply-To: <029e01c1aa80$291eba60$16e93d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0202010348560D.05351@a.genesis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 31 January 2002 12:53, you wrote: I imagine > he knows something to solve this. > Yeah ... sell !!!!!!!! :-) Sorry ... I just coudn't resist :-) From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 31 23:55:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA17829 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:55:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [216.139.204.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA17826 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:55:28 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16809 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:55:30 -0500 From: tufer@tampabay.rr.com Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g114sxt07951 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:54:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202010454.g114sxt07951@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Back on Linux Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:54:59 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.26 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > RoadRunner seems to not like Netscape's mail client for some reason. I use >the same settings I have on my w2k machine, but I can't get mail. Looks like RR has e-nail problems according to their network status page. At least the webmail option works.