From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 00:09:27 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA20738 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:09:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA20735 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:09:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31032 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:09:27 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535240hfc119.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.240.119]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA158jYi014046 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:08:46 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id E2AE85F47 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:02:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:06:23 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CPU Socket Message-Id: <20021101000623.2ec10d2c.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <20021101045558.60153.qmail@web80314.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021101045558.60153.qmail@web80314.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Tough to ship an assembled computer to a customer without the heatsink/fan attached. I don't think he'd appreciate it. Levi > Never move your computer with the heatsink/fan attached. > > --j From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 01:01:27 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA21136 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:01:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA21133 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:01:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31637 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:01:27 -0500 From: paulf@quillandmouse.com Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA161HYi015258 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:01:17 -0500 Received: (qmail 76340 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 05:59:30 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 05:59:30 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 187Uri-00035Z-00 for ; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 01:01:06 -0500 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Mailing List Policies Message-Id: Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 01:01:06 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug (This is a regular posting of the charter for the SLUG email list.) MAILING LIST POLICIES ===================== CONTENT WE ACCEPT (IN ORDER OF DECREASING BANDWIDTH): ----------------------------------------------------- 1) Technical (Linux or computer-related) questions and answers. This is the primary reason for this list-- to provide mutual assistance to SLUG members with technical questions. 2) Announcements of upcoming SLUG events and summaries of recent events. Self-explanatory, though the SLUG Announce list is really the preferred forum for announcements. 3) Official communications from SLUG officers to members of SLUG. Self-explanatory. 4) Linux advocacy. Self-explanatory, but remember that bandwidth on the list should primarily be for #1 above. 5) Linux or computer related humor or news. Humor is acceptable, so long as it is tasteful and does not chew up too much bandwidth. Racial, religious, male- or female-chauvinist humor is not acceptable. 6) Commercial offerings. We are a "limited commercial interruptions" list. If there is some new Linux-related package or machine out there and you want to mention it, fine. If you offer commercial Linux or computer related services, you can mention it once, not repeatedly. If you're advertising your services in your tagline or signature, this is acceptable. But naturally, pornography, profanity or tasteless, offensive humor or remarks in taglines/signatures are unacceptable. CONTENT WE *DON'T* ACCEPT AND/OR DISCOURAGE: -------------------------------------------- 1) Flames. Just don't. Take it off the list. Don't say something to someone in email that you wouldn't say to their face, and don't use this list to insult them. 2) Slurs. These may or not be part of flames. Slurs of racial, religious, or sexual nature are unacceptable, even if you aren't flaming someone on the list. Likewise, while we generally are not fond of certain software companies, it really serves no purpose to refer to them by epithets. If you believe that they deserve your contempt, express your opinion and use the actual name of the company. 3) Pornography or advertisements for it. It's a family list, okay? 4) Profanity. This is generally unnecessary, and offends many people. See #3 above; this is a family list. 5) Politics/Religion While we don't want to restrain anyone's right to free speech, this isn't really the correct forum for political or religious discussion. 6) HTML email. It is established internet policy that HTML email is unacceptable. This is doubly true here, where our list is run by Majordomo, which "bounces" all HTML email off the list. ADMINISTRIVIA: -------------- Traditionally, internet list servers and admins are sensitive about useless waste of bandwidth. You can do your part by "trimming" text in replies that isn't pertinent to the point you wish to make. Likewise, the list server software adds a "brand" at the end of each post. Please trim this as well, and any sig lines not pertinent to your communication. This list is not "moderated". Email sent to the list is not filtered by a person before it appears on the list. It simply goes directly to the list, which the list admin monitors. Keep this in mind when you post something-- there's no one to stop you from saying something stupid to hundreds of people. However, since membership on this list is a privilege, it can be revoked by the list administrator. If the list admin decides that your posts don't follow these guidelines, he can take the following actions (in order of severity): 1) Notify you by private email of the infraction. 2) If this doesn't work, email the list regarding your conduct as a public warning to you and others of like mind. 3) Un_subscribe you from the list. 4) Publicly announce your un_subscribing from the list. If you believe you have been treated unfairly by the list admin, you may appeal to the SLUG president. He will get both sides of the story and make a decision on the matter, which is final. R1.1 From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 01:15:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA21244 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:15:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA21234 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:15:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31770 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:15:57 -0500 Received: from mail.vasoftware.com (mail.vasoftware.com [198.186.202.175]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA16FMYi015535 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:15:22 -0500 Received: from pcp281688pcs.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net ([68.55.236.92] helo=roblimo.com) by mail.vasoftware.com with asmtp (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 187V5Q-0002WS-00 by VAauthid with fixed_plain for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:15:16 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC229CB.9060401@roblimo.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 02:14:19 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon and SMTP References: <20021031234036.GA9877@quillandmouse.com> <001501c28139$51884800$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <3DC2215B.1060706@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > I send and receive through mywork@mindspring.com from > ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com several times every week. No problem. > I use netscape Ver 6.2.3 which masquerades as the last user > I clicked on. (even the browser, which is required for my > work insurance program) (mywork@mindspring.com is fictitious) What port are you using? I have a Mindskink acccount and they have always blocked me from SMTP use if I wasn't connected to them via phone. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 01:41:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA21430 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:41:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA21427 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:41:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31988 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:41:07 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA16eqYi016056 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:40:52 -0500 Received: (qmail 76962 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 06:39:08 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 06:39:08 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 187VU4-00037K-00 for ; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 01:40:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:40:39 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Dumb Mail Question Message-ID: <20021101064039.GA11485@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is going to be a really dumb mail question, I'm sure. Say I have two machines on a network, alfa and bravo. Both are running sendmail/exim/postfix. Both know the existence of the other machine (hosts file). If I send mail from alfa to paulf@bravo, will the MTA on bravo pick it up and route it to the proper mailbox? In other words, will email sent out on the LAN wire to a specific machine be snagged by the MTA on that machine? This could be useful for having, say, syslogs periodically emailed to another machine on the LAN. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 06:36:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA23968 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:36:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA23961 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:36:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02683 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:36:32 -0500 Received: from ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (mail.kingwoodcable.net [24.206.159.247]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA1BaGYi022692 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:36:16 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AC0D35007D for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:35:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from micro.hef (h65-222-109-126.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.109.126]) by ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 452C7350023 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:35:53 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 11849 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 10:50:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iotcorp.com) (192.168.5.5) by 192.168.5.1 with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 10:50:55 -0000 Message-ID: <3DC2679D.7070105@iotcorp.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 06:38:05 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan Organization: Integrated Object Technologies Corp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dumb Mail Question References: <20021101064039.GA11485@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Paul M Foster wrote: > This is going to be a really dumb mail question, I'm sure. > > Say I have two machines on a network, alfa and bravo. Both are running > sendmail/exim/postfix. Both know the existence of the other machine > (hosts file). If I send mail from alfa to paulf@bravo, will the MTA on > bravo pick it up and route it to the proper mailbox? In other words, > will email sent out on the LAN wire to a specific machine be snagged by > the MTA on that machine? This could be useful for having, say, syslogs > periodically emailed to another machine on the LAN. > > Paul > It should, though you might have to create a fake domain (in my house, it is "hef"). When I want to send mail to my wife on our LAN without bouncing it off of our ISP, I just send to "dea@micro.hef" (micro is our mailserver, Masquerading router, fileserver, printserver, database server, etc.) All of our mail gets POPped-down into micro and served up to us via IMAP, so that is where our "real" mailboxes live. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 06:41:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA24034 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:41:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA24031 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:41:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02752 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:41:58 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA1BfpYi022837 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:41:52 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (6535152hfc226.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.152.226]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA1Bfk7Z028696 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:41:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] CPU Socket From: David Meyer To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20021101000623.2ec10d2c.levi@bard.sytes.net> References: <20021101045558.60153.qmail@web80314.mail.yahoo.com> <20021101000623.2ec10d2c.levi@bard.sytes.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 01 Nov 2002 06:43:13 -0500 Message-Id: <1036150993.3527.47.camel@genoa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If the fand and heatsink are attached properly, it shouldn't matter. I've shipped and moved a ton of them with no problems. On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 00:06, Levi Bard wrote: > Tough to ship an assembled computer to a customer without the heatsink/fan attached. I don't think he'd appreciate it. > > Levi > > > Never move your computer with the heatsink/fan attached. > > > > --j From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 08:48:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA25048 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:48:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA25045 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:48:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03923 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:48:38 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA1DmAYi025384 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:48:10 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (653272hfc63.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.72.63]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA1Dm4CB026300 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:48:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] WIreless Network problems From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 01 Nov 2002 08:36:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1036157765.1201.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Good Morning All A while back I wrote about having trouble getting my Linksys wpc11 wireless pcmcia card working. Well, I upgraded to Redhat 8.0 it works now, but not really well. Let me explain. I followed the directions for RH 8.0 I found at http://www.saragossa.net/LinuxG3/ls-wlan.shtml The directions were pretty good and I got it to work,but not all that well. The problem is range and packet loss. I can barely get twenty feet from the access point (Linksys WAP11). However, same pc running win98 the range is almost double and I have very little packet loss. Perhaps there are some configuration options I can set to improve the performance? Regards Russ W From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 10:07:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA25792 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:07:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA25789 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:07:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04791 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:07:38 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA1F76Yi027100 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:07:07 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07069 for ; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:06:24 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c281b7$7c3ce8c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: <1036157765.1201.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: [SLUG] Postfix-1.1.11 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:00:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Setting up Postfix-1.1.11 I am following the INSTALL instructions and the instructions from the Postfix book by Richard Blum. I have not chrooted it. I have created user and group named postfix. When I tried to create the aliases database by : Postalias /etc/postifx/aliases I get the error: "postalias: fatal: bad string length (0 < 1): setguid_group =" when I try to start postfix by: postfix start I get the same error: "postfix: fatal: bad string length (0 < 1): setguid_group =" any ideas? From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 10:20:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA25914 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:20:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA25909 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:20:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04927 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:20:48 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA1FKTYi027377 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:20:29 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1GMMTl003697 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:22:22 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1GMMDr003695; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:22:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 199.222.4.138 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:22:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <51435.199.222.4.138.1036167741.squirrel@_default_> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:22:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] Backup To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi everybody, I have a question about a script that I want to do for backing up a couple of directories. I have 2 cabolt servers. I want to take the dns entries and the directories that are hosting my client's websites. I have thought the algorithm as the follow: 1. First make a tar of the /etc/named and the /home directories. Obviously I don't need the logs from each website. I don't know how to avoid the compression of those files ( I need to keep the same structure of each directory, I think tar does that automatically). Also, what files do I need to have in the backup to update the dns entries? 2. Use the scp command to move the file from server 1 to server 2. 3. Add a cron line according with the necesities. 4. In server 2 create a script to descompress the file. I don't know how to tell the script that I need to send and email to the administrator telling him that the file is corrupted. Any Ideas. If you know any application that may do that; let me know. Best of regards Diego Henao From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 10:33:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA26063 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:33:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA26060 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:33:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05101 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:33:58 -0500 Received: from mail.penguix.net ([63.165.224.3]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA1FXiYi027737 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:33:44 -0500 Received: from [63.165.224.200] (unknown [63.165.224.200]) by mail.penguix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D373C12D49 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:36:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Postfix-1.1.11 From: Todd Robinson To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <002e01c281b7$7c3ce8c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> References: <1036157765.1201.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <002e01c281b7$7c3ce8c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 01 Nov 2002 10:33:00 -0500 Message-Id: <1036164780.1137.75.camel@alf> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > When I tried to create the aliases database by : > Postalias /etc/postifx/aliases > I get the error: > "postalias: fatal: bad string length (0 < 1): setguid_group =" > when I try to start postfix by: > postfix start > I get the same error: > "postfix: fatal: bad string length (0 < 1): setguid_group =" > > any ideas? Not familiar with that error, but... aliases file should be owner/group root/root and permissions should be 644. Are there any values in it? Is this where postfix is expecting it to be? (postconf alias_maps) The default is /etc/aliases. My $.02 Todd From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 10:50:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA26192 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:50:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA26189 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:50:15 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05281; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:50:07 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA21785; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:50:07 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net, Diego Henao Subject: Re: [SLUG] Backup Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:50:07 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <51435.199.222.4.138.1036167741.squirrel@_default_> In-Reply-To: <51435.199.222.4.138.1036167741.squirrel@_default_> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211011050.07186.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id KAA26190 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug You really want to use rsync. backup$ export RSYNC_RSH="/usr/bin/ssh -c blowfish" backup$ cd /backupdir backup$ rsync -Saxv --delete root@source:/sourcedir/ /backupdir/ This will make a perfect mirror of the files in source:/sourcedir in the directory /backupdir on the backup server, all over ssh. - Ian On Friday 01 November 2002 11:22, Diego Henao wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I have a question about a script that I want to do for backing up a couple > of directories. I have 2 cabolt servers. I want to take the dns entries > and the directories that are hosting my client's websites. I have thought > the algorithm as the follow: > > 1. First make a tar of the /etc/named and the /home directories. Obviously > I don't need the logs from each website. I don't know how to avoid the > compression of those files ( I need to keep the same structure of each > directory, I think tar does that automatically). Also, what files do I > need to have in the backup to update the dns entries? > 2. Use the scp command to move the file from server 1 to server 2. > 3. Add a cron line according with the necesities. > 4. In server 2 create a script to descompress the file. I don't know how > to tell the script that I need to send and email to the administrator > telling him that the file is corrupted. > > > Any Ideas. > > If you know any application that may do that; let me know. > > > Best of regards > > Diego Henao -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 11:14:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA26388 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:14:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA26385 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:14:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05526 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:13:59 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA1GDZYi028608 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:13:35 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1HFTTl003906 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:15:30 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1HFTgF003904; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:15:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 199.222.4.138 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:15:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43233.199.222.4.138.1036170929.squirrel@_default_> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:15:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Backup To: In-Reply-To: <200211011050.07186.icblenke@nks.net> References: <51435.199.222.4.138.1036167741.squirrel@_default_> <200211011050.07186.icblenke@nks.net> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug First, thanks for answering. I forgot to tell you that those servers are not local network servers. As a matter of fact, the only thing they are sharing is the dns service. In other words, one is the primary dns and the other is the secondary. In the future, they will also belong to two different ISP companies. Regards Diego > You really want to use rsync. > > backup$ export RSYNC_RSH="/usr/bin/ssh -c blowfish" > backup$ cd /backupdir > backup$ rsync -Saxv --delete root@source:/sourcedir/ /backupdir/ > > This will make a perfect mirror of the files in source:/sourcedir in the > directory /backupdir on the backup server, all over ssh. > > - Ian > > On Friday 01 November 2002 11:22, Diego Henao wrote: >> Hi everybody, >> >> I have a question about a script that I want to do for backing up a >> couple of directories. I have 2 cabolt servers. I want to take the dns >> entries and the directories that are hosting my client's websites. I >> have thought the algorithm as the follow: >> >> 1. First make a tar of the /etc/named and the /home directories. >> Obviously I don't need the logs from each website. I don't know how to >> avoid the compression of those files ( I need to keep the same >> structure of each directory, I think tar does that automatically). >> Also, what files do I need to have in the backup to update the dns >> entries? >> 2. Use the scp command to move the file from server 1 to server 2. 3. >> Add a cron line according with the necesities. >> 4. In server 2 create a script to descompress the file. I don't know >> how to tell the script that I need to send and email to the >> administrator telling him that the file is corrupted. >> >> >> Any Ideas. >> >> If you know any application that may do that; let me know. >> >> >> Best of regards >> >> Diego Henao > > -- > - Ian C. Blenke > > (This message bound by the following: > http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 11:21:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA26483 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:21:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA26480 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:21:13 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05641 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:21:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA22868 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:21:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon and SMTP From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 01 Nov 2002 11:21:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 13:53, rhires@earthlink.net wrote: > Hey Everyone, > > I've been silent for a while, since SMTP doesn't work for me right now under > Verizon's network. That is, when I send mail via SMTP (which I had been doing > before under Earthlink's DSL), it seems to drop off into oblivion. It worked > before under earthlink...I still am using my earthlink account for sending and > receiving mail...I guess verizon doesn't want to pass mail through its network > bound for earthlink and the to the rest of the net? Can anyone shed some light > on this? my parents were using Verizon here in Tampa. As far as I can tell, anything sent through their network on SMTP silently disappears unless it's sent directly through Verizon's SMTP servers. That means you can't put up your own local mail server and expect mail to be delivered through Verizon. You MUST contact Verizon's own SMTP servers to send email. The problem with that is that you can only send mail through Verizon's SMTP servers if your "FROM" address is your Verizon email address. So if, like my parents, you have an account somewhere else like [someone]@thegliddens.org, you can't send email through Verizon using that address because the SMTP servers will deny it. It's the most f-ed up situation I've seen, completely unecessary, and does absolutely nothing for preventing SPAM, which I assume is the reason it's configured the way it is. So I put a modem and a second phone line at home and now they dial up to my home network where everything works correctly, like crack-smoking f-ing idiots DIDN'T set up the network. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 11:51:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA26753 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:51:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA26750 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:51:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06016 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:51:19 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA1GoaYi029476 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:50:36 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (653245hfc109.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.45.109]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA1GoUS8018859 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:50:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon and SMTP From: tina gasperson To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> References: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 01 Nov 2002 12:51:34 -0500 Message-Id: <1036173095.1217.19.camel@linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 11:21, Derek Glidden wrote: > It's the most f-ed up situation I've seen, completely unecessary, and > does absolutely nothing for preventing SPAM, which I assume is the > reason it's configured the way it is. > > So I put a modem and a second phone line at home and now they dial up to > my home network where everything works correctly, like crack-smoking > f-ing idiots DIDN'T set up the network. C'mon Derek, don't be shy, for crying out loud. We're among friends here. Tell us how you *really* feel. ;-) Tina From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 11:56:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA26812 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:56:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA26809 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:56:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06097 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:56:49 -0500 Received: from web80301.mail.yahoo.com (web80301.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.17]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA1GuZYi029643 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:56:36 -0500 Message-ID: <20021101165630.71208.qmail@web80301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [131.247.209.128] by web80301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 08:56:30 PST Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:56:30 -0800 (PST) From: sanity Subject: Re: [SLUG] CPU Socket To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20021101000623.2ec10d2c.levi@bard.sytes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug o...k... you never mentioned that --- Levi Bard wrote: > Tough to ship an assembled computer to a customer without the heatsink/fan > attached. I don't think he'd appreciate it. > > Levi > > > Never move your computer with the heatsink/fan attached. > > > > --j ===== j -- m9u35@yahoo.com --------------------------- Saying that the constitution is a "living, breathing document" is the same thing as saying that there is no constitution. How would you like to play poker with rules that are "living?" (Walter Williams, Rush Limbaugh Show, 17 June 2002 broadcast) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 11:57:17 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA26822 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:57:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA26819 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:57:17 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06100; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:57:17 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA24122; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:57:17 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net, Derek Glidden Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon and SMTP Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:57:16 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> In-Reply-To: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211011157.16631.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id LAA26820 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Friday 01 November 2002 11:21, Derek Glidden wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 13:53, rhires@earthlink.net wrote: > > Hey Everyone, > > > > I've been silent for a while, since SMTP doesn't work for me right now > > under Verizon's network. That is, when I send mail via SMTP (which I had > > been doing before under Earthlink's DSL), it seems to drop off into > > oblivion. It worked before under earthlink...I still am using my > > earthlink account for sending and receiving mail...I guess verizon > > doesn't want to pass mail through its network bound for earthlink and the > > to the rest of the net? Can anyone shed some light on this? > > my parents were using Verizon here in Tampa. As far as I can tell, > anything sent through their network on SMTP silently disappears unless > it's sent directly through Verizon's SMTP servers. > > That means you can't put up your own local mail server and expect mail > to be delivered through Verizon. You MUST contact Verizon's own SMTP > servers to send email. The problem with that is that you can only send > mail through Verizon's SMTP servers if your "FROM" address is your > Verizon email address. So if, like my parents, you have an account > somewhere else like [someone]@thegliddens.org, you can't send email > through Verizon using that address because the SMTP servers will deny > it. > > It's the most f-ed up situation I've seen, completely unecessary, and > does absolutely nothing for preventing SPAM, which I assume is the > reason it's configured the way it is. > > So I put a modem and a second phone line at home and now they dial up to > my home network where everything works correctly, like crack-smoking > f-ing idiots DIDN'T set up the network. What about SMTP over SSL? (TCP port 465?), possibly with authentication if you want to stop spammers who figure out how to use open SSMTP relays. I've given up hope of using my ISP's mail relay. Ever. - Ian From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 11:58:48 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA26844 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:58:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA26839 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:58:48 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06122 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:58:48 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA24172 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:58:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon and SMTP From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1036173095.1217.19.camel@linux> References: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> <1036173095.1217.19.camel@linux> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 01 Nov 2002 11:58:47 -0500 Message-Id: <1036169928.855.17.camel@two.nks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 12:51, tina gasperson wrote: > On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 11:21, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > It's the most f-ed up situation I've seen, completely unecessary, and > > does absolutely nothing for preventing SPAM, which I assume is the > > reason it's configured the way it is. > > > > So I put a modem and a second phone line at home and now they dial up to > > my home network where everything works correctly, like crack-smoking > > f-ing idiots DIDN'T set up the network. > > C'mon Derek, don't be shy, for crying out loud. We're among friends > here. Tell us how you *really* feel. ;-) Actually, the first time, I DID. But then my email client crashed. And burned. And set my monitor on fire. So I toned it back a bit for the second try. ;) You should hear my rant about GNOME vs. KDE Development Strategy.... -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 12:15:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA27007 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:15:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA27004 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:15:50 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06340 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:15:50 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA24709 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:15:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon and SMTP From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211011157.16631.icblenke@nks.net> References: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> <200211011157.16631.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 01 Nov 2002 12:15:50 -0500 Message-Id: <1036170950.855.21.camel@two.nks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 11:57, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > > my parents were using Verizon here in Tampa. As far as I can tell, > > anything sent through their network on SMTP silently disappears unless > > it's sent directly through Verizon's SMTP servers. > > > > That means you can't put up your own local mail server and expect mail > > to be delivered through Verizon. You MUST contact Verizon's own SMTP > > servers to send email. The problem with that is that you can only send > > mail through Verizon's SMTP servers if your "FROM" address is your > > Verizon email address. So if, like my parents, you have an account > > somewhere else like [someone]@thegliddens.org, you can't send email > > through Verizon using that address because the SMTP servers will deny > > it. > > > > It's the most f-ed up situation I've seen, completely unecessary, and > > does absolutely nothing for preventing SPAM, which I assume is the > > reason it's configured the way it is. > > > > So I put a modem and a second phone line at home and now they dial up to > > my home network where everything works correctly, like crack-smoking > > f-ing idiots DIDN'T set up the network. > > What about SMTP over SSL? (TCP port 465?), possibly with authentication if you > want to stop spammers who figure out how to use open SSMTP relays. I briefly had them doing authenticated SMTP-over-SSL but that caused a lot of trouble trying to keep it working on their side and parents are notorious for forgetting what their passwords are. :) Then it broke completely when verizon's dialup got put into the RBL that I use. (Which I find amazingly ironic considering the fubared state their SMTP servers are in presumably to prevent SPAM...) > I've given up hope of using my ISP's mail relay. Ever. ISP's have their own mail relays? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 12:20:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA27134 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:20:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA27127 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:20:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06428 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:20:29 -0500 Received: from web80314.mail.yahoo.com (web80314.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.30]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA1HK9Yi030247 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:20:09 -0500 Message-ID: <20021101172003.59331.qmail@web80314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [131.247.209.128] by web80314.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 09:20:03 PST Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:20:03 -0800 (PST) From: sanity Subject: Re: [SLUG] CPU Socket To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1036150993.3527.47.camel@genoa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug As HS/fans get bigger and heavier, there is greater risk of cracking the circuit board attatched to the HS/fan/socket. Proper attatchment isn't the problem. But it's ya'll's computers, not mine ^_^ --j --- David Meyer wrote: > If the fand and heatsink are attached properly, it shouldn't matter. > I've shipped and moved a ton of them with no problems. > > On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 00:06, Levi Bard wrote: > > Tough to ship an assembled computer to a customer without the heatsink/fan > attached. I don't think he'd appreciate it. > > > > Levi > > > > > Never move your computer with the heatsink/fan attached. > > > > > > --j > > ===== j -- m9u35@yahoo.com --------------------------- Saying that the constitution is a "living, breathing document" is the same thing as saying that there is no constitution. How would you like to play poker with rules that are "living?" (Walter Williams, Rush Limbaugh Show, 17 June 2002 broadcast) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 14:49:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA28610 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:49:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA28607 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:49:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08291 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:49:39 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA1JnEYi001348 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:49:15 -0500 Received: from spocksbrain (653227hfc159.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.27.159]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA1Jmu1d024098 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:49:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeff Barriault" To: Subject: [SLUG] HELP: Shell Programming and Command Line Parameters Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:49:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have a script that's not working and I think I know why, but I just don't know how to fix it. Basically I'm trying to extract the command line parameters. For example: -h hostname -n username -w 80 -x 0 -y 0 acct Only problem is the actual parameters are passed without a space. For examle: -hhostname -nusername -w80 -x0 -y0 acct Here is a script that works with the spaces: # retrieve the username and hostname from the paramaters while : do case "$1" in -n) Username="$2" shift ; shift ;; -h) Hostname="$2" shift ; shift ;; -*) shift ;; *) break esac done Anyone know what I need to do to modify it to work without the spaces? By the way, this is comming from a Samba printer share that redirects the output file into a script. If there is a setting somewhere in Samba to get it to add spaces to it's command line parameters that would probably fix it too. Thanks! From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 14:57:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA28716 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:57:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA28710 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:56:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08411 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:56:59 -0500 Received: from gandalf.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-21.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.21] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA1JukYi001538 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:56:46 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.20]) by gandalf.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA25462 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:54:34 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA26695 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:54:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] CPU Socket From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <20021101172003.59331.qmail@web80314.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021101172003.59331.qmail@web80314.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-qNRy4Q1hd0rKQzOX4krR" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 01 Nov 2002 14:54:34 -0500 Message-Id: <1036180474.8138.2.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-qNRy4Q1hd0rKQzOX4krR Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 12:20, sanity wrote: > As HS/fans get bigger and heavier, there is greater risk of cracking > the circuit board attatched to the HS/fan/socket. Proper attatchment > isn't the problem. But it's ya'll's computers, not mine ^_^ >=20 > --j Well, Dell, Gateway, Compaq/HP, [insert online/mail-order computer manufacturer] seem to have cornered this elusive market then. --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 --=-qNRy4Q1hd0rKQzOX4krR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9wtv6IomZUAi8ewYRAsBSAKCKFngduQGIgs47Wxw3oC41lLQMfQCgtAn6 QtZSkENKNRqSy7UmjBUJLp8= =MJ4B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-qNRy4Q1hd0rKQzOX4krR-- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 15:09:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA28813 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:09:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA28810 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:09:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08542 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:09:29 -0500 Received: from suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (129.1.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.1.129]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA1K8xYi001810 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:09:00 -0500 Received: from patrick (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66] (may be forged)) by suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id gA1K3Ax04261 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:03:10 -0500 Message-ID: <094501c281e2$35c77010$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham \(at work\)" To: Subject: [SLUG] steaming audio Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:06:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug what would a recommended plugin or module to steam cd quality audio for apache? Say I wanted to be able to stream audio from by Linux box at home mp3 to my office PC. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 15:29:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA28983 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:29:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA28980 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:29:11 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08742 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:29:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA32310 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:29:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] steaming audio From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <094501c281e2$35c77010$4401a8c0@patrick> References: <094501c281e2$35c77010$4401a8c0@patrick> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 01 Nov 2002 15:29:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1036182551.855.39.camel@two.nks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 15:06, Patrick Grantham (at work) wrote: > what would a recommended plugin or module to steam cd quality audio for > apache? Say I wanted to be able to stream audio from by Linux box at home > mp3 to my office PC. steaming audio? easy: put your laptop filled with mp3s in a large casserole. fill with 1/2" of water. cover. put in oven at 350 degrees for approximately 45 minutes. before steaming, you may want to sprinkle with salt or other spices. let cool before serving. nothin' beats a nice hot plate of homemade steaming audio. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 15:47:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA29198 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:47:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA29191 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:47:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08999 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:47:14 -0500 Received: from web80310.mail.yahoo.com (web80310.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.26]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA1KktZZ002711 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:46:55 -0500 Message-ID: <20021101204649.56286.qmail@web80310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.202.92.99] by web80310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 12:46:49 PST Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:46:49 -0800 (PST) From: sanity Subject: Re: [SLUG] steaming audio To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <094501c281e2$35c77010$4401a8c0@patrick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Please, patrick, this is a family list. --j --- "Patrick Grantham (at work)" wrote: > what would a recommended plugin or module to steam cd quality audio for > apache? ===== j -- m9u35@yahoo.com --------------------------- Saying that the constitution is a "living, breathing document" is the same thing as saying that there is no constitution. How would you like to play poker with rules that are "living?" (Walter Williams, Rush Limbaugh Show, 17 June 2002 broadcast) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 16:02:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA29328 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:02:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA29320 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:02:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09179 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:02:24 -0500 Received: from suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (129.1.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.1.129]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA1L1sZZ003044 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:01:54 -0500 Received: from patrick (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66] (may be forged)) by suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id gA1Ku5x04466 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:56:05 -0500 Message-ID: <096f01c281e9$996f81a0$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham \(at work\)" To: References: <094501c281e2$35c77010$4401a8c0@patrick> <1036182551.855.39.camel@two.nks.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] steaming audio Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:59:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ok Mr. funnyman! You made your point! :) It's been a long day. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Glidden" To: Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] steaming audio > On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 15:06, Patrick Grantham (at work) wrote: > > what would a recommended plugin or module to steam cd quality audio for > > apache? Say I wanted to be able to stream audio from by Linux box at home > > mp3 to my office PC. > > steaming audio? easy: put your laptop filled with mp3s in a large > casserole. fill with 1/2" of water. cover. put in oven at 350 degrees > for approximately 45 minutes. before steaming, you may want to sprinkle > with salt or other spices. let cool before serving. nothin' beats a > nice hot plate of homemade steaming audio. > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ > http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 16:04:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA29340 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:04:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA29337 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:04:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09197 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:04:04 -0500 Received: from suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (129.1.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.1.129]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA1L3mZZ003083 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:03:48 -0500 Received: from patrick (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66] (may be forged)) by suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id gA1Kvxx04471 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:57:59 -0500 Message-ID: <097501c281e9$dd87e8f0$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham \(at work\)" To: References: <20021101204649.56286.qmail@web80310.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] steaming audio Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:01:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Seems like I opened Pandora's box with this goof. ----- Original Message ----- From: "sanity" To: Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] steaming audio > Please, patrick, this is a family list. > > --j > > --- "Patrick Grantham (at work)" wrote: > > what would a recommended plugin or module to steam cd quality audio for > > apache? > > ===== > j -- m9u35@yahoo.com > --------------------------- > Saying that the constitution is a "living, breathing document" is the same thing as saying that there is no constitution. How would you like to play poker with rules that are "living?" (Walter Williams, Rush Limbaugh Show, 17 June 2002 broadcast) > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 16:07:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA29393 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:07:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA29390 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:07:04 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09242 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:07:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA01354 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:07:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] steaming audio From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <096f01c281e9$996f81a0$4401a8c0@patrick> References: <094501c281e2$35c77010$4401a8c0@patrick> <1036182551.855.39.camel@two.nks.net> <096f01c281e9$996f81a0$4401a8c0@patrick> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 01 Nov 2002 16:07:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1036184824.702.41.camel@two.nks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 15:59, Patrick Grantham (at work) wrote: > Ok Mr. funnyman! You made your point! > > :) > > It's been a long day. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek Glidden" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: [SLUG] steaming audio > > > > On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 15:06, Patrick Grantham (at work) wrote: > > > what would a recommended plugin or module to steam cd quality audio for > > > apache? Say I wanted to be able to stream audio from by Linux box at > home > > > mp3 to my office PC. > > > > steaming audio? easy: put your laptop filled with mp3s in a large > > casserole. fill with 1/2" of water. cover. put in oven at 350 degrees > > for approximately 45 minutes. before steaming, you may want to sprinkle > > with salt or other spices. let cool before serving. nothin' beats a > > nice hot plate of homemade steaming audio. seriously though, I've done streaming mp3's across the country from my home PC with nothing more than apache. Just point it at your MP3 directory, make an m3u file, and let 'er rip. If you've got the bandwidth, no problem. If you don't have the bandwidth, no plugin will help anyway. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 16:48:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA29799 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:48:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA29796 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:48:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09740 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:48:44 -0500 Received: from dev.nethouse.com (what.ifelse.org [208.171.40.202] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA1LmOZZ004068 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:48:24 -0500 Received: from dev.nethouse.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dev.nethouse.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA1LnaEK031165 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:49:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from btt@dev.nethouse.com) Received: (from btt@localhost) by dev.nethouse.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA1LnatN031164 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:49:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from btt) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:49:36 -0500 From: btt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HELP: Shell Programming and Command Line Parameters Message-ID: <20021101214936.GA31148@dev.nethouse.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 02:49:21PM -0500, Jeff Barriault wrote: > I have a script that's not working and I think I know why, but I just don't > know how to fix it. > > Basically I'm trying to extract the command line parameters. For example: -h > hostname -n username -w 80 -x 0 -y 0 acct > > Only problem is the actual parameters are passed without a space. For > examle: -hhostname -nusername -w80 -x0 -y0 acct Check into the getopt program. It is designed to be used with shell scripts for this very purpose. There are code examples in the manpage: man 1 getopt. good luck. > > Here is a script that works with the spaces: > > # retrieve the username and hostname from the paramaters > while : > do > case "$1" in > -n) Username="$2" > shift ; shift > ;; > -h) Hostname="$2" > shift ; shift > ;; > -*) shift > ;; > *) break > esac > done > > Anyone know what I need to do to modify it to work without the spaces? > > By the way, this is comming from a Samba printer share that redirects the > output file into a script. If there is a setting somewhere in Samba to get > it to add spaces to it's command line parameters that would probably fix it > too. > > Thanks! > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 18:34:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA30624 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:34:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA30621 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:34:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10795 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:34:07 -0500 Received: from out017.verizon.net (out017pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.94]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA1NXjNL007215 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:33:45 -0500 Received: from A2L1.gte.net ([24.96.63.146]) by out017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021101233339.VUMJ2697.out017.verizon.net@A2L1.gte.net> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:33:39 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] xandros Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:33:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211011833.32178.A2L1@gte.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id SAA30622 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Just a little "heads up" here for those of you that didnt see this on their site or didnt get an email from them. 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No MS products were used in the creation of this message.. registered Linux user #191255 From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 18:47:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA30743 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:47:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA30738 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:47:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10923 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:47:07 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA1NkpNL007934 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:46:51 -0500 Received: (qmail 94065 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2002 23:45:10 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2002 23:45:10 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 187lUw-0004Fi-00 for ; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 18:46:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:46:37 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon and SMTP Message-ID: <20021101234637.GB11485@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 11:21:12AM -0500, Derek Glidden wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 13:53, rhires@earthlink.net wrote: > > Hey Everyone, > > > > I've been silent for a while, since SMTP doesn't work for me right > now under > > Verizon's network. That is, when I send mail via SMTP (which I had > been doing > > before under Earthlink's DSL), it seems to drop off into oblivion. It > worked > > before under earthlink...I still am using my earthlink account for > sending and > > receiving mail...I guess verizon doesn't want to pass mail through > its network > > bound for earthlink and the to the rest of the net? Can anyone shed > some light > > on this? > > my parents were using Verizon here in Tampa. As far as I can tell, > anything sent through their network on SMTP silently disappears unless > it's sent directly through Verizon's SMTP servers. > > That means you can't put up your own local mail server and expect mail > to be delivered through Verizon. You MUST contact Verizon's own SMTP > servers to send email. The problem with that is that you can only send > mail through Verizon's SMTP servers if your "FROM" address is your > Verizon email address. So if, like my parents, you have an account > somewhere else like [someone]@thegliddens.org, you can't send email > through Verizon using that address because the SMTP servers will deny > it. > This is weird. I wonder how I can do this on Verizon here in New Port Richey, and your parents can't? My SMTP server is mail.quillandmouse.com on a remote internet host, but my access is via Verizon DSL. I have no problems. I always kinda figured that Verizon just acted like a pipe and didn't look at any of the packets. Yet it seems they do in some other places. Am I thinking right about this? Paul From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 19:18:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA30990 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:18:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA30987 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:18:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11220 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:18:57 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535240hfc119.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.240.119]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA20IQNL009688 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:18:27 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 809865F47 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:12:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:15:54 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CPU Socket Message-Id: <20021101191554.4fd1d78e.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <20021101172003.59331.qmail@web80314.mail.yahoo.com> References: <1036150993.3527.47.camel@genoa> <20021101172003.59331.qmail@web80314.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > As HS/fans get bigger and heavier, there is greater risk of cracking > the circuit board attatched to the HS/fan/socket. Proper attatchment > isn't the problem. But it's ya'll's computers, not mine ^_^ Actually, it's probably more likely that you'll damage the cpu by removing/reattaching the hs/fan all the time than that you'll damage the board by moving the machine. I've seen lots of Athlons & Durons ruined by a slip while installing the heatsink. Levi From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 19:33:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA31143 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:33:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA31140 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:33:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11399 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:33:07 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA20WbNL010554 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:32:37 -0500 Received: from duppy (6532213hfc35.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.213.35]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA20WV1c028786 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:32:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Gnome 1.4 desktop icons not visible From: Adrian deLisser To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1035813977.20499.10.camel@menix> References: <1035570159.3461.32.camel@duppy> <1035571240.1287.41.camel@menix> <1035594624.2051.39.camel@duppy> <1035813977.20499.10.camel@menix> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-6) Date: 01 Nov 2002 19:35:17 -0500 Message-Id: <1036197317.1686.4.camel@duppy> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Matt, Strangely, selecting 'Advanced' did not illuminate this option either! After wandering around Gnome, what finally brought the icons back was to login as root, then launch Nautilus. The icons then appeared when I subsequently logged-in as myself. I hope to soon know Gnome well enough to understand this result. Thanks again. -Adrian > > I think you need go to Preferences and select Advanced (in Nautilus). I > believe you will then see the appropriate menu/option for "Use(ing) > Nautilus to draw the desktop". > > -- > Matt Miller > Systems Administrator > MP TotalCare > gpg public key id: > 08BC7B06 From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 19:57:27 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA31355 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:57:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA31352 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:57:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11652 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:57:27 -0500 Received: from host.axxessible.com (host.axxessible.com [209.239.61.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA20vNNL011981 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:57:23 -0500 Received: from mar2001.dsl-verizon.net (tamqfl1-ar8-4-64-006-239.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net [4.64.6.239]) by host.axxessible.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id gA20vHn08239 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:57:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200211020057.gA20vHn08239@host.axxessible.com> From: "John" To: "slug@nks.net" Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 19:57:06 -0500 X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2581) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;6) In-Reply-To: <20021101234637.GB11485@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon and SMTP X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:46:37 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: -> My SMTP server is -> mail.quillandmouse.com on a remote internet host, but my access is via -> Verizon DSL. I have no problems. I always kinda figured that Verizon -> just acted like a pipe and didn't look at any of the packets. I use Verizon DSL in Madeira Beach, with the same scenario: SMTP server is a remote machine. Is there a Verizon dialup? Maybe that's different. John From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 20:55:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA31867 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:55:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA31864 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:55:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12235 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:55:58 -0500 Received: from pop015.verizon.net (pop015pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.172]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA21tlNL015241 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:55:47 -0500 Received: from frankie.thejellopit.com ([4.33.5.3]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021102015541.ZMUT28019.pop015.verizon.net@frankie.thejellopit.com> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:55:41 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "R.G. Mayhue" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon and SMTP Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:55:37 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> <20021101234637.GB11485@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20021101234637.GB11485@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211012055.37168.r.g.mayhue@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop015.verizon.net from [4.33.5.3] at Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:55:41 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id UAA31865 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Friday 01 November 2002 06:46 pm, you wrote: > > > > > That means you can't put up your own local mail server and expect > > mail to be delivered through Verizon. You MUST contact Verizon's > > own SMTP servers to send email. The problem with that is that > > you can only send mail through Verizon's SMTP servers if your > > "FROM" address is your Verizon email address. So if, like my > > parents, you have an account somewhere else like > > [someone]@thegliddens.org, you can't send email through Verizon > > using that address because the SMTP servers will deny it. > > This is weird. I wonder how I can do this on Verizon here in New > Port Richey, and your parents can't? My SMTP server is > mail.quillandmouse.com on a remote internet host, but my access is > via Verizon DSL. I have no problems. I always kinda figured that > Verizon just acted like a pipe and didn't look at any of the > packets. Yet it seems they do in some other places. Am I thinking > right about this? > > Paul I don't think the problem is running an SMTP server to send and receive mail (at least not on my account because I do it all the time) but rather using Verizon's SMTP servers. I run an SMTP server on my Verizon account here in New Port Richey and I send and receive mail with no problems, but (as Derek stated) if I use Verizon's SMTP servers to send mail the "FROM" address _MUST BE_ my Verizon e-mail address below or it will be dropped. If this is an attempt to stop SPAM, I can attest to the fact that it sure doesn't work very well :)) -- R.G. Mayhue r.g.mayhue@verizon.net From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 22:31:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA32660 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:31:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA32657 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:31:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13075 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:31:38 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA23VQNL020502 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:31:27 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (653271hfc191.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.71.191]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA23VLCB012769 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:31:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] CPU Socket From: Jim Lange To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20021101191554.4fd1d78e.levi@bard.sytes.net> References: <1036150993.3527.47.camel@genoa> <20021101172003.59331.qmail@web80314.mail.yahoo.com> <20021101191554.4fd1d78e.levi@bard.sytes.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-1elx) Date: 01 Nov 2002 22:28:58 -0500 Message-Id: <1036207738.9710.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 19:15, Levi Bard wrote: > > As HS/fans get bigger and heavier, there is greater risk of cracking > > the circuit board attatched to the HS/fan/socket. Proper attatchment > > isn't the problem. But it's ya'll's computers, not mine ^_^ > > Actually, it's probably more likely that you'll damage the cpu by removing/reattaching the hs/fan all the time than that you'll damage the board by moving the machine. I've seen lots of Athlons & Durons ruined by a slip while installing the heatsink. > > Levi The manual for my Abit AT7 says to only attach or remove the fan/heatsink with the motherboard removed from the case and laying on a flat surface. With it on standoffs, it puts to much stress on the board. Jim From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 1 22:47:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA00383 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:47:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA00375 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:47:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13235 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:47:08 -0500 Received: from archimedes.caffeine-addict.com (pcp02063058pcs.englwd01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.3.135]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA23kZNL021355 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:46:35 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] CPU Socket Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:09:27 -0500 Message-ID: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E43895464@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [SLUG] CPU Socket content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 Thread-Index: AcKCJO4DySgmgGTiRGO2efv8hczefQAACXsg From: "Craig Zeigler" To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id WAA00376 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I've seen the main problem being the person installing the chip/heatsync. I've yet to damage an Athlon or have one burn up. (BTW you get about 8 seconds w/o heatsync/fan from what I've read). Most of the time, the installer does not use the proper thermal compound. (no, the thermal grease that comes in the little white package with the heatsync doesn't count) Just be careful when you install it. You should be fine. If you don't feel comfortable installing the chip and such with the board mounted, do it on a flat surface. I generally put standoffs, and screws wherever I can on the board. Most of the time when a chip gets toasted, someone scratched the core of this chip, or even better... tore it completely off :) Have a good evening. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Lange [mailto:jlange1@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:29 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CPU Socket On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 19:15, Levi Bard wrote: > > As HS/fans get bigger and heavier, there is greater risk of cracking > > the circuit board attatched to the HS/fan/socket. Proper attatchment > > isn't the problem. But it's ya'll's computers, not mine ^_^ > > Actually, it's probably more likely that you'll damage the cpu by removing/reattaching the hs/fan all the time than that you'll damage the board by moving the machine. I've seen lots of Athlons & Durons ruined by a slip while installing the heatsink. > > Levi The manual for my Abit AT7 says to only attach or remove the fan/heatsink with the motherboard removed from the case and laying on a flat surface. With it on standoffs, it puts to much stress on the board. Jim From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 00:50:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA01520 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:50:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA01517 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:50:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14489 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:50:18 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA25nfNL028278 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:49:42 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (653271hfc191.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.71.191]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA25naS8003717 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:49:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon and SMTP From: Jim Lange To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1036169928.855.17.camel@two.nks.net> References: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> <1036173095.1217.19.camel@linux> <1036169928.855.17.camel@two.nks.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-1elx) Date: 02 Nov 2002 00:47:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1036216025.1335.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 11:58, Derek Glidden wrote: > ;) > > You should hear my rant about GNOME vs. KDE Development Strategy.... > I'd like to hear your rant. jim From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 01:21:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA01848 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:21:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA01840 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:21:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14849 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:21:48 -0500 From: bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA26LCNL030114 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:21:12 -0500 Received: from myduron (653266hfc186.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.66.186]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA26L71c002123 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:21:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301c28238$1b4ff6c0$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> To: References: <200211020057.gA20vHn08239@host.axxessible.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon and SMTP Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:21:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug It does not matter whether you are using Dial up or Broad Band. Verizon does not have anything to do with weather you can get into another's SMTP. They only monitor their own. How ever with most isp's you can receive by remote but not send. This means for instance right now I have both Road Runner and Mindspring/Earthlink. I can get pop 3 from Mindspring/Earthlink thru Road Runner but again can not send. Mindspring/earthlink does not want you to be able to use SMTP as stated by IAN because they feel this will control Spam. How ever we all know that is Bull as also stated. I can also access Mindspring/Earthlink Pop3 Remote through Verizons but again no SMTP! Now if you have your own server set up then you set the permissions as to what get's through from what Domain. Unless they decide to filter your domain from their access which they usually will not bother. Because it is not there servers in this Scenario. Bill P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon and SMTP > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:46:37 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: > > -> My SMTP server is > -> mail.quillandmouse.com on a remote internet host, but my > access is via > -> Verizon DSL. I have no problems. I always kinda figured that > Verizon > -> just acted like a pipe and didn't look at any of the packets. > > > I use Verizon DSL in Madeira Beach, with the same scenario: SMTP > server is a remote machine. Is there a Verizon dialup? Maybe > that's different. > > John > > > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 01:27:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA01924 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:27:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA01921 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:27:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14912 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:27:38 -0500 Received: from pop017.verizon.net (pop017pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.210]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA26RANL030459 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:27:10 -0500 Received: from 1Cust169.tnt2.new-port-richey.fl.da.uu.net ([67.243.31.169]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021102062703.ZWGB1423.pop017.verizon.net@1Cust169.tnt2.new-port-richey.fl.da.uu.net> for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:27:03 -0600 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help with Grub and MBR From: Lee Gusler To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1035906666.24102.4.camel@cpt> References: <1035906666.24102.4.camel@cpt> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 02 Nov 2002 01:27:22 -0500 Message-Id: <1036218461.1362.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop017.verizon.net from [67.243.31.169] at Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:27:02 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 10:51, Mike Manchester wrote: > A friend of mine has managed to destroy his MBR. He upgraded his windows > and windows over wrote the MBR. I know that with lilo you could just > boot into rescue mode and run lilo and you were good to go. But for the > life of me I can't figure out how to get the system to boot using Grub > again. I've searched the web and looked a the man and info pages. But > still have not figured out how to do this and what we have tried haa not > worked. Including going through the upgrade and only selecting the Grub > boot manager. This is on a Redhat 7.3 system. > > Any help with this would be appreciated. > > Mike M. I'm not sure if you already got an answer to this or not. In any case, just run the the command "grub-install /dev/hda" assuming that you have a boot disk so you can get RH booted again.(you might have to run "/sbin/grub-install /dev/hda" if sbin is not in your path) Hope this helps. Lee From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 07:52:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA06284 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:52:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA06281 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:52:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19250 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:52:50 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA2CqWNL020565 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:52:33 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=earthlink.net) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 187xlK-00035x-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 04:52:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC3CA88.5050004@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 07:52:24 -0500 From: Russell Hires User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux ppc; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020622 Debian/1.0.0-0.woody.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Sending Mail...works for now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e7631e8a81e9d58dbfdb6216fb171f72508350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Finally! I called Earthlink DSL tech support, and after 20-30 minutes of waiting, got a very knowledgeable rep who was able to help me with Linux! He asked me what my mail client was, and I told him (laughing) kmail...and he said, what version of Linux are you running? Most impressive! I told him, and we were off and running. This is in stark contrast to Verizon telling me, "We don't really support Linux..." The Verizon people also don't seem to have a clue, either, since most of my questions seemed to be beyond what they could answer. The tech at Earthlink told me that I could use smtp authentication, and sure enough, it works! The only problem is that kde doesn't allow for a username/password combo in the sending mail section of its config. So, I'm using Mozilla to send. Is there a way to configure exim or sendmail to do smtp authentication the same way that Mozilla does? TIA! And thanks for everyone's input so far. I must say that I'm very impressed with Earthlink, too, since every time I call them, the guy on the other end knows something about Linux... Russell From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 08:45:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA06832 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:45:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA06829 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:45:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19754 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:45:10 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA2Dj3NL023471 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:45:03 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=earthlink.net) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 187ya9-0006QM-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 05:44:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC3D6D8.2020301@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 08:44:56 -0500 From: Russell Hires User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux ppc; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020622 Debian/1.0.0-0.woody.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] Staying connected Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e76d3ff328e5d952f9055a72277a4231be8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug AAAhhhhh...the joys of Verizon's DSL service....This is all about DHCP, pump, etc... So, I figured out (for now) my email situation, but now I have other questions. How do I keep my computer connected to the net all the time? When I switched from Earthlink to Verizon, and when I use pump to get my address, everything works okay. It's just that after a time, the IP expires, and I have manually re-run pump to get a new address. I know that there is a better solution to this, but what is it? Isn't there a dhcp daemon that runs in the background that checks this sort of thing? Thanks for your help! Russell From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 08:55:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA06955 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:55:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA06952 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:55:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19854 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:55:10 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA2DsuNL024018 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:54:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 8018 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 13:53:19 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2002 13:53:19 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 187yjg-0004rn-00 for ; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 08:54:48 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:54:40 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Microsoft Wins! Message-ID: <20021102135439.GB17738@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Grrr. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 09:24:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA07250 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:24:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA07247 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:24:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20127 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:24:20 -0500 Received: from archimedes.caffeine-addict.com (pcp02063058pcs.englwd01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.3.135]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA2ENuNL025641 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:23:57 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Microsoft Wins! Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:46:53 -0500 Message-ID: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E43895465@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-Topic: [SLUG] Microsoft Wins! X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 Thread-Index: AcKCfLVe6g7rSghVTRKA7uHJ3cxYOwAAfenQ From: "Craig Zeigler" To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id JAA07248 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ??? -----Original Message----- From: Paul M Foster [mailto:paulf@quillandmouse.com] Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 8:55 AM To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Microsoft Wins! Grrr. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 09:33:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA07353 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:33:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA07350 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:33:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20220 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:33:50 -0500 Received: from dt2.gschmidt.net (6535161hfc60.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.161.60]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA2EXeNL026177 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:33:40 -0500 Received: by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 835992AE28; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752597CCA for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:28:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:28:58 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Schmidt To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] CPU Socket In-Reply-To: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E43895464@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Craig Zeigler wrote: > (BTW you get about 8 seconds w/o heatsync/fan from what I've read). I think it is a little more like 1 second or less for AMD, and then only if you're lucky. http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q3/010917/index.html They've got a video showing them melting some AMD CPUs. It's a bit dated, and mobos that can use features in their newer chips are planned, but I'm not sure they're available yet. For me, I just make sure I've got that heat sink attached properly and the fan power connect is seated real good. I never power them up without the cooling in place. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 09:35:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA07372 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:35:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA07369 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:35:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20232 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:35:10 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA2EYjNL026247 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:34:46 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (117-68.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.68.117]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA2EYcS8001042; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:34:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DC428CB.6050004@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 14:34:35 -0500 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CPU Socket References: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E43895464@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Most of the time, the installer does not use the proper thermal compound. > (no, the thermal grease that comes in the little white package with the > heatsync doesn't count) I don't understand why the zinc oxide laden silicone grease supplied with the heat sink wouldn't be the correct thing to use on the heat sink. BTW, my heat sink didn't come with any, didn't say to use any so I didn't. It is a 1 gig AMD Athelon with a heat sink approved by AMD for this microprocessor. (of coarse) It has been this way for over 2 years. (there is a white thin hard flexible layer of plastic on the heat sink touching the copper part of the microprocessor.) 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 09:37:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA07406 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:37:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA07403 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:37:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20260 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:37:30 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA2EbGNL026397 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:37:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 8486 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 14:35:39 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2002 14:35:39 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 187zOe-000554-00 for ; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 09:37:08 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:37:04 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Wins! Message-ID: <20021102143704.GA19516@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E43895465@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E43895465@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 09:46:53AM -0500, Craig Zeigler wrote: > ??? > Look in your morning paper. The judge has decided the Microsoft case, mostly in their favor. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul M Foster [mailto:paulf@quillandmouse.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 8:55 AM > To: SLUG List > Subject: [SLUG] Microsoft Wins! > > > Grrr. > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 09:40:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA07445 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:40:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA07437 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:40:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20294 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:40:10 -0500 Received: from mail.vasoftware.com (mail.vasoftware.com [198.186.202.175]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA2EddNL026533 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:39:40 -0500 Received: from pcp281688pcs.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net ([68.55.236.92] helo=roblimo.com) by mail.vasoftware.com with asmtp (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 187zQz-0005HI-00 by VAauthid with fixed_plain for ; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 06:39:33 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC3E35F.3060702@roblimo.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 09:38:23 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Wins! References: <20021102135439.GB17738@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug >Grrr. > > Not necessarily. If you're Sun, Grrr. If you're a computer OEM who has talked about either offering Linux-only machines or dual-boot options, you might find yourself better off than before. Judge Kathy ruled that if Microsoft retaliates or threatens retaliation against you for not making their product "the one and only" on your computers you have grounds for both a civil suit and a request for contempt of court (criminal) prosecution. I believe, based on internal rumors I can't verify enough to make into a real article, that Gateway is the "major brand" computer maker most likely to start offering Linux as an option. Imagine a smooth-looking Lycoris or Xandros desktop, with pre-integrated Codeweavers Wine offerings, selling in Gateway stores (and on the company's Web site) for $1000 less than equivalent Windows computers. By the time you include Win 2K or XP Pro, Office, and one or two other popular producticity programs with the Windows version, the price difference is that great -- or greater. Lycoris has a built in, unhidden, user-controlled "back door" for remote techs to log in and fix software problems. This can cut support costs heavily. Second factor that will make Lycoris and some of the other "new" Linux distributions attractive is that they can be given to OEMs free or the companies that produce them can even *pay* OEMs to install them -- as long as enough customers sign up for software update subscriptions. This is the secret of why Microtel started offering Lindows: to make one of their $199 Lindows PCs fully functional, you are almost forced to subscribe to Lindows Click 'n Run (unless you speak Debian, which perhaps 0.1% of all computer users do). Lycoris, Xandros, Red Hat, Ximian and others are all going toward software/update subscription revenue models. Sure, they are all more relaxed than Lindows about making it obvious that you can get the same software (except the commercial Wine variants and StarOffice) free, but they would really, really like you to sign up for their subscription plans sooner or later for convenience if for no other reason. That is, for YOUR convenience. For them, subscriptions can mean a nice profit lifeline. Dell is eating the market for consumer PCs. All the other companies are frantically scrounging around for ways to compete. It's inevitable that some of them play with Linux, especially since there are now subscription possibilities to drive profits, plus a reduced fear of retaliation from Microsoft as they add Linux to their product lineups. - Robin > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 09:46:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA07552 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:46:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA07549 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:46:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20363 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:46:40 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA2EkENL026929 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:46:15 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (117-68.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.68.117]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA2Ek9S8005805; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:46:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DC42B7D.9080508@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 14:46:05 -0500 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending Mail...works for now References: <3DC3CA88.5050004@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Verizon is just as good as GTE was! > This is in stark contrast to Verizon telling me, "We don't really support > Linux..." The Verizon people also don't seem to have a clue, either, since > most of my questions seemed to be beyond what they could answer. I was disgusted, while using GTE and winblows 3.1 when their reason my E-mail box being constantly empty, even after I sent myself E-mail from my backup ISP (the Suncoast Freenet) was because I had installed windows on my "E" drive instead of my "C" drive, I was told: "windows must be installed on the "C" drive to work properly, that is your problem." The fact that it has always been there and the E-mail constipation was a new problem didn't change their opinion. I did not move it, and a day or two later I had over 300 pieces of E-mail waiting for me. What enormous idiots. NEVER AGAIN! 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 10:02:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA07814 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:02:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07806 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:02:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20552 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:02:40 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA2F2ONL027882 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:02:24 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (117-68.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.68.117]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA2F2IS8011598; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:02:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DC42F46.3020909@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 15:02:14 -0500 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Wins! References: <20021102135439.GB17738@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Grrr. Paul, didn't you know: The side that spends the most money on attorneys wins? It's the American way. 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 10:48:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA08510 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:48:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA08507 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:48:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21118 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:48:10 -0500 Received: from sbc2.ieshost.com (sbc2.ieshost.com [64.95.200.13]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA2FlmNL030640 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:47:49 -0500 Received: (qmail 273 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 15:47:41 -0000 Received: from 242681hfc127.tampabay.rr.com (HELO ws10) (24.26.81.127) by ivbn.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2002 15:47:41 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon and SMTP Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:48:55 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> <20021101234637.GB11485@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20021101234637.GB11485@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211021048.55823.steve@itcom.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id KAA08508 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Friday 01 November 2002 18:46, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 11:21:12AM -0500, Derek Glidden wrote: > > On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 13:53, rhires@earthlink.net wrote: > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > > > I've been silent for a while, since SMTP doesn't work for me > > > right > > > > now under > > > > > Verizon's network. That is, when I send mail via SMTP (which > > > I had Verizon announced, maybe a year ago, that they will not allow any mail unless it's going through their mail servers. This was their solution to the problem of spam. Maybe it's not yet fully implemented. F.ex. in areas where Verizon bought up/merged would come to mind. Steve From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 10:51:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA08544 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:51:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA08541 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:51:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21140 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:51:10 -0500 Received: from sbc2.ieshost.com (sbc2.ieshost.com [64.95.200.13]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA2FoVNL030784 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:50:31 -0500 Received: (qmail 365 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 15:50:25 -0000 Received: from 242681hfc127.tampabay.rr.com (HELO ws10) (24.26.81.127) by ivbn.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2002 15:50:25 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending Mail...works for now Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:51:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <3DC3CA88.5050004@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3DC3CA88.5050004@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211021051.40035.steve@itcom.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id KAA08542 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 02 November 2002 07:52, Russell Hires wrote: > Finally! I called Earthlink DSL tech support, and after 20-30 > minutes of waiting, got a very knowledgeable rep who was able to > help me with Linux! He asked me what my mail client was, and I > told him (laughing) kmail...and he said, what version of Linux > are you running? Most impressive! I told him, and we were off and > running. This is in stark contrast to Verizon telling me, "We > don't really support Linux..." The Verizon people also don't seem > to have a clue, either, since most of my questions seemed to be > beyond what they could answer. > > The tech at Earthlink told me that I could use smtp > authentication, and sure enough, it works! The only problem is > that kde doesn't allow for a username/password combo in the > sending mail section of its config. So, I'm using Mozilla to > send. No true! Modify your account settings under network and you will be able to authenticate using name/pw. Steve From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 11:06:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA08813 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:06:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA08810 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:06:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21332 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:06:11 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA2G61NL031714 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:06:02 -0500 Received: from w2kpro1 (27-6.9-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.9.6.27]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA2G5t1c016578 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:05:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301c28289$6f812420$0101a8c0@w2kpro1> From: "Doug Koobs" To: References: <3DC3CA88.5050004@earthlink.net> <3DC42B7D.9080508@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending Mail...works for now Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:03:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > What enormous idiots. NEVER AGAIN! I completely understand frustration with lousy tech support... But remember, for most ppl in tech support, this is their first IT job. They have little to no experience, training, or knowledge. Often, they don't know the escalation path (if there is one)... And management may not provide support the technicians need. Once the TechSupport ppl learn enough to be effective, they find better/more challenging/better paying jobs. I speak from experience. My first IT job was at a Help Desk. I knew close to nothing about computers, and less about networking. I had only owned a PC for about 3 months, and was thrown into the fire, so to speak. But, I learned a LOT, and quickly. Once I got to the point to where I could pretty much handle anything thrown at me, I moved on to a "real" IT job. And some other poor, non-technical schlub took my old spot. This is in no way an excuse for poor tech support... It's just the reality in most cases. So, please have patience with those poor tech support guys :) Doug Does this post belong on the Politics list? From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 11:38:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA09247 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:38:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA09236 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:38:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21710 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:38:00 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA2GbcNL001124 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:37:39 -0500 Received: (qmail 10026 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 16:36:02 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2002 16:36:02 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1881H9-00056p-00 for ; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 11:37:31 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:37:25 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] Staying connected Message-ID: <20021102163725.GB19516@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug References: <3DC3D6D8.2020301@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DC3D6D8.2020301@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 08:44:56AM -0500, Russell Hires wrote: > AAAhhhhh...the joys of Verizon's DSL service....This is all about DHCP, > pump, etc... > > So, I figured out (for now) my email situation, but now I have other > questions. How do I keep my computer connected to the net all the time? > When I switched from Earthlink to Verizon, and when I use pump to get my > address, everything works okay. It's just that after a time, the IP > expires, and I have manually re-run pump to get a new address. I know > that there is a better solution to this, but what is it? Isn't there a > dhcp daemon that runs in the background that checks this sort of thing? You should be able to run dhcpcd to keep your connection alive. That's what it's for. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 12:20:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA09914 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:20:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA09900 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:20:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22253 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:20:40 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA2HKANL003713 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:20:11 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (117-68.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.68.117]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA2HK41c014524; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:20:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DC44F90.7040009@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 17:20:00 -0500 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending Mail...works for now References: <3DC3CA88.5050004@earthlink.net> <3DC42B7D.9080508@tampabay.rr.com> <001301c28289$6f812420$0101a8c0@w2kpro1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > I speak from experience. My first IT job was at a Help Desk. I knew close to > nothing about computers, and less about networking. I had only owned a PC > for about 3 months, and was thrown into the fire, so to speak. But, I > learned a LOT, and quickly. When someone called you with a problem, did you look into it, or JUST ARGUE? 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 12:32:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA10085 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:32:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10082 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:32:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22388 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:32:40 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA2HWGNL004440 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:32:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:BVgCViyhWkK7LRNfurp1GFQu95hsiB7o@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA2HWAd10737 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:32:10 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:32:10 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Microsoft Wins! In-Reply-To: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E43895465@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Craig Zeigler wrote: > ??? > From: Paul M Foster [mailto:paulf@quillandmouse.com] > Grrr. From: "Everything I need to know, I learned from Star Wars, eposide 4": The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers. -- Leia From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 13:15:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA10695 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:15:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA10692 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:15:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22875 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:15:43 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA2IEqNL006933 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:14:53 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA08210 for ; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 13:14:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c2829a$d15eca60$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: <1036157765.1201.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <002e01c281b7$7c3ce8c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> <1036164780.1137.75.camel@alf> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Postfix-1.1.11 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:08:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thank for the only repsonse Todd. I would have expected more by the amount of talk that went around about how great Postfix is. Turns out that at the very end of the main.cf file there was this ( below) ...I skip over it.( won't do that agian) ..I just commented it out and it works fine for now.( still testing )..don't know if it is going to cause issues or not...find out soon....still not sure why that is in there. # INSTALL-TIME CONFIGURATION INFORMATION # # The following parameters are used when installing a new Postfix version. # # sendmail_path: The full pathname of the Postfix sendmail command. # This is the Sendmail-compatible mail posting interface. # sendmail_path = # newaliases_path: The full pathname of the Postfix newaliases command. # This is the Sendmail-compatible command to build alias databases. # newaliases_path = # mailq_path: The full pathname of the Postfix mailq command. This # is the Sendmail-compatible mail queue listing command. # mailq_path = # setgid_group: The group for mail submission and queue management # commands. This must be a group name with a numerical group ID that # is not shared with other accounts, not even with the Postfix account. # setgid_group = # manpage_directory: The location of the Postfix on-line manual pages. # manpage_directory = # sample_directory: The location of the Postfix sample configuration files. # sample_directory = # readme_directory: The location of the Postfix README files. # readme_directory = ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Robinson" To: Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Postfix-1.1.11 > > > When I tried to create the aliases database by : > > Postalias /etc/postifx/aliases > > I get the error: > > "postalias: fatal: bad string length (0 < 1): setguid_group =" > > when I try to start postfix by: > > postfix start > > I get the same error: > > "postfix: fatal: bad string length (0 < 1): setguid_group =" > > > > any ideas? > > Not familiar with that error, but... > > aliases file should be owner/group root/root and permissions should be > 644. Are there any values in it? Is this where postfix is expecting it > to be? (postconf alias_maps) The default is /etc/aliases. > > My $.02 > > Todd > > > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 13:48:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA11305 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:48:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA11302 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:48:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23240 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:48:01 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA2IlsNL008842 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:47:54 -0500 Received: from w2kpro1 (27-6.9-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.9.6.27]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA2IlmCB014610 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:47:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000d01c282a0$0cb76900$0101a8c0@w2kpro1> From: "Doug Koobs" To: References: <3DC3CA88.5050004@earthlink.net> <3DC42B7D.9080508@tampabay.rr.com> <001301c28289$6f812420$0101a8c0@w2kpro1> <3DC44F90.7040009@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending Mail...works for now Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:45:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Point taken, I did do my best to help... Not everyone even tries... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald KA4INM Youvan" To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending Mail...works for now > > I speak from experience. My first IT job was at a Help Desk. I knew close to > > nothing about computers, and less about networking. I had only owned a PC > > for about 3 months, and was thrown into the fire, so to speak. But, I > > learned a LOT, and quickly. > > > When someone called you with a problem, did you look into it, or JUST ARGUE? > > 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com > 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC > Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm > > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 14:54:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA12293 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:54:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA12290 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:54:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23981 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:54:11 -0500 Received: from ns.tbi.net (ns.tbi.net [209.141.252.3]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA2JrtNL012721 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:53:55 -0500 Received: from poor-soul (mail.jpow.net [207.204.243.149]) by ns.tbi.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA2JrnT00615 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:53:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <200211021453500465.016DABDF@mail.tbi.net> In-Reply-To: <000601c2829a$d15eca60$7d0aa8c0@washpat> References: <1036157765.1201.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <002e01c281b7$7c3ce8c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> <1036164780.1137.75.camel@alf> <000601c2829a$d15eca60$7d0aa8c0@washpat> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 14:53:50 -0500 From: "Brother Timothy" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Postfix-1.1.11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id OAA12291 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Arron; One of the ahndiest things to have when running Postfix is the book, "Postfix by Richard Blum, ISBN 0-672-32114-9. It is well written in plain language and it an emense help in configuring the Postfix MTA. Good luck. Joe *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 11/2/2002 at 1:08 PM Aaron Steimle wrote: >Thank for the only repsonse Todd. >I would have expected more by the amount of talk that went around about how >great Postfix is. >Turns out that at the very end of the main.cf file there was this ( below) >...I skip over it.( won't do that agian) ..I just commented it out and it >works fine for now.( still testing )..don't know if it is going to cause >issues or not...find out soon....still not sure why that is in there. > > > ># INSTALL-TIME CONFIGURATION INFORMATION ># ># The following parameters are used when installing a new Postfix version. ># ># sendmail_path: The full pathname of the Postfix sendmail command. ># This is the Sendmail-compatible mail posting interface. ># >sendmail_path = > ># newaliases_path: The full pathname of the Postfix newaliases command. ># This is the Sendmail-compatible command to build alias databases. ># >newaliases_path = > ># mailq_path: The full pathname of the Postfix mailq command. This ># is the Sendmail-compatible mail queue listing command. ># >mailq_path = > ># setgid_group: The group for mail submission and queue management ># commands. This must be a group name with a numerical group ID that ># is not shared with other accounts, not even with the Postfix account. ># >setgid_group = > ># manpage_directory: The location of the Postfix on-line manual pages. ># >manpage_directory = > ># sample_directory: The location of the Postfix sample configuration files. ># >sample_directory = > ># readme_directory: The location of the Postfix README files. ># >readme_directory = > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Todd Robinson" >To: >Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:33 AM >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Postfix-1.1.11 > > >> >> > When I tried to create the aliases database by : >> > Postalias /etc/postifx/aliases >> > I get the error: >> > "postalias: fatal: bad string length (0 < 1): setguid_group =" >> > when I try to start postfix by: >> > postfix start >> > I get the same error: >> > "postfix: fatal: bad string length (0 < 1): setguid_group =" >> > >> > any ideas? >> >> Not familiar with that error, but... >> >> aliases file should be owner/group root/root and permissions should be >> 644. Are there any values in it? Is this where postfix is expecting it >> to be? (postconf alias_maps) The default is /etc/aliases. >> >> My $.02 >> >> Todd >> >> >> . For this can be said about the generality of men: that they are ungrateful, fickle, dissembling, anxious to flee danger, and covetous of gain. So long as you promote their advantage, they are yours, as I said before, and will offer you their blood, their goods, their lives and their children when the need for these is remote. When the need arises, however they will turn against you. Niccolo Machiavelli From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 15:21:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA12847 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 15:21:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA12844 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 15:21:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24377 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 15:21:31 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA2KLANL014455 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 15:21:11 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA2LNS58002840 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:23:28 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA2LNRUM002838; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:23:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 192.168.0.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:23:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2804.192.168.0.1.1036272207.squirrel@_default_> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:23:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] Postnuke To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi everybody, I am trying to install postnuke. I think the installation is pretty much easy, but I am having a problem with mysql server. I set up in an you can access the server as localhost or as my domain name. When I tried to run the postnuke installation website (install.php); I am getting this error: PostNuke Installation Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_pconnect() in /var/www/html/install/newinstall.php on line 36 I am positive the problem is between mysql and php, but I don't know how to fix that. Thanks Diego From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 16:44:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA13602 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:44:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA13599 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:44:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25052 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:44:31 -0500 Received: from web10401.mail.yahoo.com (web10401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.93]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA2LiHNL018887 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: <20021102214411.57829.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.13.110.222] by web10401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 13:44:11 PST Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:44:11 -0800 (PST) From: casey fraites Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3DBE92F4.50906@iotcorp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ronan, You are right I guess you have to decide what type of user you want to be For someone like me right know who is selfstuding for the A+ exam and looking for a career in IT I guess you can say I want the basic Knowledge of linux to install run trouble shoot network and run and operate a server from a linux box thank you for your time Casey --- Ronan Heffernan wrote: > casey fraites wrote: > > thank you for your time Ronan > > > > For your insite on networking with linux I am > college > > student and I help out at a local computer shop > in > > town I am looking to network a small amount of > > computers what brand of linux would you recommend > I > > hear that redhat is used mostly in enterprise and > > small businesses Is there tutoruals on the net to > > help learn the basics of operating linux ?? > > > What kind of user do you want to be? Do you want to > help your computer > shop by installing and supporting Linux on white > boxes (major > involvement)? Do you just want to use Linux as a > Desktop for word > processing, email, etc. (very little tutorial > needed, especially if > someone else sets-up your box). Software Developer > (a special breed of > insanity on any platform)? Do you want to set-up a > home LAN or your own > ISP? What you want to use Linux for will dictate > what kind of > books/tutorials that you need, and should influence > how you initially > approach Linux. > > There are many books on learning Linux or using > Linux. The O'Reilly > books are solid, but they seem a bit technical for a > first book. The > Hillsborough County Public Library system has quite > a few > introduction-grade books on Linux (including Linux > for Dummies). If you > need to pick-up an elective, or a CS class, any > basic course on UNIX > will teach you a lot about the underlying structures > of Linux (commands, > filesystem layout, lore, etc.) in case you want to > know the gory details. > > I have used SuSE for the last five years. I like > the installer (which > does a great job of recognizing your hardware and > configuring your > system to match) and the packages which are > installed and configured > automatically. Honestly, once a machine is > installed and configured the > way that you like it, all of the major distros work > in pretty-much the > same way (which is no surprise when you figure that > the most important > differentiating factor between distros is the > installer software). Red > Hat is not only common in Enterprises; it is very > popular for home use, > and Mandrake which is popular primarly in homes is > based on Red Hat. > > If you want to play with Linux without a major > investment of time or > knowledge, you can bring your box to a SLUG meeting > and you should find > someone who will help install and configure Linux > for you. Then you can > use it as a Desktop and let your learning be driven > by your needs. If > you are going to do this, you should coordinate on > the list to make sure > that someone will be at the meeting who can help, > and that someone will > be bringing a distro to install. > > --ronan > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 18:13:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA14492 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:13:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA14489 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:13:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25824 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:13:21 -0500 Received: from hank.mjudge.net (adsl-21-239-49.mco.bellsouth.net [66.21.239.49]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA2NCwNL023684 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:12:58 -0500 Received: from beavis.mjudge.net (beavis.mjudge.net [192.168.1.2]) by hank.mjudge.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gA2NCqP26873 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:12:52 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian Coyle Organization: CHAOS -- That's a level of organization, isn't it? To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending Mail...works for now Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:12:41 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3DC3CA88.5050004@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3DC3CA88.5050004@earthlink.net> X-Reply-Content-Type: No HTML Mail, please! Send plain text. X-GPG-Fingerprint: AE1C 123A 1153 8A63 E8A9 FAEA 111D CCB8 7527 701B X-Message-flag: This has been a test of the M$ Outlook virus system... Had this been an actual virus, you'd have been... Well, toast. MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02110218124200.00987@beavis.mjudge.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 02 November 2002 07:52, Russell Hires wrote: [snip] > Is there a way to configure exim or sendmail to do smtp authentication > the same way that Mozilla does? - From the search form on www.sendmail.org http://search01.altavista.com/sites/search/web?pg=q&text=yes&what=web&fmt=&fmt=&q=%2Bhost%3Awww.sendmail.org+auth Lot of hits depending on your verion of sendmail, but here's a good start http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/auth.html HTH! - -- Linux hank.mjudge.net 2.4.8-24mdk #1 Mon Sep 17 14:22:11 CEST 2001 i586 6:00pm up 45 days, 20:36, 0 users, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Brian Coyle, GCIA http://www.giac.org/GCIA.php iD8DBQE9xFv0ER3MuHUncBsRAp87AJsHz5SlE1PUzwADhVK5izzJLIqdVwCfdZwO xU4blkaH0W6atU2+44cbK+I= =NqdM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 19:42:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA15433 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:42:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA15425 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:42:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26572 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:42:21 -0500 Received: from ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (mail.kingwoodcable.net [24.206.159.247]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA30g1NL028481 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:42:01 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id 37868350085 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:41:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from micro.hef (h65-222-109-126.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.109.126]) by ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 76CE635005A for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:41:18 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 15077 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 23:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iotcorp.com) (192.168.5.5) by 192.168.5.1 with SMTP; 2 Nov 2002 23:56:38 -0000 Message-ID: <3DC42ADA.8060506@iotcorp.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 14:43:22 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan Organization: Integrated Object Technologies Corp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Postnuke References: <2804.192.168.0.1.1036272207.squirrel@_default_> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_pconnect() in > /var/www/html/install/newinstall.php on line 36 > > I am positive the problem is between mysql and php, but I don't know how > to fix that. > This doesn't sound like a problem between PHP and MySQL. This sounds like your version of PHP was not compiled with any support FOR MySQL. The entire mysql_pconnect() function is a mystery to PHP. This is not a problem with your running MySQL server or parameters. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 20:21:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA15837 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:21:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA15834 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:21:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26945 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:21:31 -0500 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA31KvNL030685 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:20:57 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-4-62-115-144.tamqfl1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net ([4.62.115.144] helo=compaq) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1889Rb-0001LC-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 20:20:51 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] autofs not working From: Michael C Rock To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3DC42ADA.8060506@iotcorp.com> References: <2804.192.168.0.1.1036272207.squirrel@_default_> <3DC42ADA.8060506@iotcorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 02 Nov 2002 20:16:36 -0500 Message-Id: <1036286207.6390.14.camel@compaq> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I am trying to get autofs to work between my two RH boxes and have not been successful as yet. On my server, NFS is running and the directories have been exported: I have been able to manually mount them on my other box using the mount command. I have also been about to mount them on the other box by putting an entry in the fstab file. My auto.master file looks like this: /misc /etc/auto.misc --timeout=60 My auto.misc file looks like this: mytest -rw compaq:/usr the server names are ast and compaq: I have started the autofs daemon using: service autofs start and checked it with service autofs status when I go to /misc,,, there is nothing there. /misc exists as a directory but mytest does not,,as is required. I have been doing all this as root, but wonder if I should put the no_root_squash parameter in the auto.misc file. Does anyone have any suggestions?? Michael C. Rock "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep,, to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 2 23:17:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA17307 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:17:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA17304 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:17:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28384 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:17:42 -0500 Received: from spanky.onsyd.com (tamqfl1-ar3-4-64-048-131.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net [4.64.48.131]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA34H4NL007670 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:17:05 -0500 Received: from karma.onsyd.com (karma.onsyd.com [192.168.0.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by spanky.onsyd.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gA34Gu0I030899 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:16:58 -0500 From: Syd Alsobrook To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] autofs not working Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:16:55 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.7 References: <2804.192.168.0.1.1036272207.squirrel@_default_> <3DC42ADA.8060506@iotcorp.com> <1036286207.6390.14.camel@compaq> In-Reply-To: <1036286207.6390.14.camel@compaq> X-NSA-Trigger: Plutonium President kill infiltrate Fissionable weapons grade NSA CIA (Have a Nice Day) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200211022316.55874.syd@ittagteam.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 02 November 2002 20:16, Michael C Rock wrote: > /misc exists as a directory but mytest does not,,as is required. Have you tried to ls /misc/mytest ? -- ----------- Protect your privacy. http://www.epic.org http://www.gnupg.org From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 01:07:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA19287 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 01:07:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA19282 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 01:07:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29810 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 01:07:12 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA366uNL014366 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 01:06:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (653271hfc191.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.71.191]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA366o1c027180 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 01:06:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] UT2003 From: Jim Lange To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211022316.55874.syd@ittagteam.com> References: <2804.192.168.0.1.1036272207.squirrel@_default_> <3DC42ADA.8060506@iotcorp.com> <1036286207.6390.14.camel@compaq> <200211022316.55874.syd@ittagteam.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-1elx) Date: 03 Nov 2002 01:04:09 -0500 Message-Id: <1036303449.1683.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi, I have noticed that Unreal Tournament 2003 Demo and server is available for both windows and Linux. But so far I've only seen the full game available for windows only. Does anyone know if the full version is available or going to be available for Linux. Also any feedback on installing it and getting it to work. Jim From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 04:51:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA21295 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 04:51:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA21284 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 04:51:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32011 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 04:51:02 -0500 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA39oBNL026571 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 04:50:11 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-4-62-115-019.tamqfl1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net ([4.62.115.19] helo=compaq) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 188HOP-0003ax-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 04:50:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] autofs not working From: Michael C Rock To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211022316.55874.syd@ittagteam.com> References: <2804.192.168.0.1.1036272207.squirrel@_default_> <3DC42ADA.8060506@iotcorp.com> <1036286207.6390.14.camel@compaq> <200211022316.55874.syd@ittagteam.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 03 Nov 2002 04:45:56 -0500 Message-Id: <1036316757.6423.18.camel@compaq> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Autofs is supposed to dynamically create your directory for you. I will create it and try again to see if the instructions are wrong. Thanks Michael C. Rock "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep,, to gain what they cannot lose" On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 23:16, Syd Alsobrook wrote: > On Saturday 02 November 2002 20:16, Michael C Rock wrote: > > /misc exists as a directory but mytest does not,,as is required. > > > Have you tried to ls /misc/mytest ? > -- > ----------- > Protect your privacy. > http://www.epic.org > http://www.gnupg.org > > > From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 07:21:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA27785 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 07:21:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA27782 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 07:21:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01279 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 07:21:13 -0500 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA3CKdNL008059 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 07:20:39 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.215.221.208.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.215.221.208] helo=localhost.localdomain) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 188Jk1-0004nn-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 04:20:33 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: Slug Subject: [SLUG] Linux, The Washington Post (DC), & Spain Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 07:24:03 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211030724.03016.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59197-2002Nov2.html From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 09:44:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA29144 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:44:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA29140 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:44:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02483 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:44:53 -0500 Received: from archimedes.caffeine-addict.com (pcp02063058pcs.englwd01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.3.135]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA3EiWNL015790 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:44:33 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] an you hear me now? Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:07:36 -0500 Message-ID: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E43895466@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-Topic: an you hear me now? X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 Thread-Index: AcKDSr6AiPYqNJ9RSuK1ZZnXpLjKfw== From: "Craig Zeigler" To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id JAA29141 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Sorry, but I flashed my routed, and it nuked all my ports.... doh. just wanna make sure it works now From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 09:57:44 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA29265 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:57:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA29262 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:57:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02596 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:57:43 -0500 Received: from spanky.onsyd.com (tamqfl1-ar3-4-64-048-131.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net [4.64.48.131]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA3Ev7NL016472 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:57:07 -0500 Received: from karma.onsyd.com (karma.onsyd.com [192.168.0.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by spanky.onsyd.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gA3Euw0I006780 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:57:00 -0500 From: Syd Alsobrook To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] autofs not working Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:56:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.7 References: <2804.192.168.0.1.1036272207.squirrel@_default_> <200211022316.55874.syd@ittagteam.com> <1036316757.6423.18.camel@compaq> In-Reply-To: <1036316757.6423.18.camel@compaq> X-NSA-Trigger: Plutonium President kill infiltrate Fissionable weapons grade NSA CIA (Have a Nice Day) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="Boundary-00=_5kTx9j+0yYnKfsR" Message-Id: <200211030956.57681.syd@ittagteam.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --Boundary-00=_5kTx9j+0yYnKfsR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 03 November 2002 04:45, Michael C Rock wrote: > Autofs is supposed to dynamically create your directory for you. I will > create it and try again to see if the instructions are wrong. Thanks > It creates it when you ask for it. here are my files. -- ----------- Protect your privacy. http://www.epic.org http://www.gnupg.org --Boundary-00=_5kTx9j+0yYnKfsR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="auto.master" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="auto.master" # $Id: auto.master,v 1.2 1997/10/06 21:52:03 hpa Exp $ # Sample auto.master file # Format of this file: # mountpoint map options # For details of the format look at autofs(5). /mnt /etc/auto.misc /net /etc/auto.net --Boundary-00=_5kTx9j+0yYnKfsR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="auto.misc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="auto.misc" # $Id: auto.misc,v 1.2 1997/10/06 21:52:04 hpa Exp $ # This is an automounter map and it has the following format # key [ -mount-options-separated-by-comma ] location # Details may be found in the autofs(5) manpage kernel -ro ftp.kernel.org:/pub/linux #boot -fstype=ext2 :/dev/hda1 #removable -fstype=ext2,sync,nodev,nosuid :/dev/hdd cd -fstype=iso9660,ro,sync,nodev,nosuid :/dev/scd0 dvd -fstype=iso9660,ro,sync,nodev,nosuid :/dev/scd1 floppy -fstype=auto,sync,nodev,nosuid :/dev/fd0 --Boundary-00=_5kTx9j+0yYnKfsR Content-Type: application/x-shellscript; name="auto.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="auto.net" #!/bin/sh # $Id: //depot/autofs-4.0/samples/auto.net#6 $ # Look at what a host is exporting to determine what we can mount. # This is very simple, but it appears to work surprisingly well key="$1" # add "nosymlink" here if you want to suppress symlinking local filesystems # add "nonstrict" to make it OK for some filesystems to not mount opts="-fstype=nfs,hard,intr,nodev,nosuid" # Showmount comes in a number of names and varieties. "showmount" is # typically an older version which accepts the '--no-headers' flag # but ignores it. "kshowmount" is the newer version installed with knfsd, # which both accepts and acts on the '--no-headers' flag. #SHOWMOUNT="kshowmount --no-headers -e $key" #SHOWMOUNT="showmount -e $key | tail +2" # Newer distributions get this right SHOWMOUNT="/sbin/showmount --no-headers -e $key" $SHOWMOUNT | sort +0 | \ awk -v key="$key" -v opts="$opts" -- ' BEGIN { ORS=""; first=1 } { if (first) { print opts; first=0 }; print " \\\n\t" $1, key ":" $1 } END { if (!first) print "\n"; else exit 1 } ' --Boundary-00=_5kTx9j+0yYnKfsR-- From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 12:59:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA30559 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:59:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30556 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:59:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04068 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:59:03 -0500 Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA3HwvNL026207 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 12:58:57 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=earthlink.net) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 188P1P-0006sI-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 09:58:51 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC563D5.4090200@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 12:58:45 -0500 From: Russell Hires User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux ppc; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020622 Debian/1.0.0-0.woody.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] Test emails Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e7631d73456454b2f4eff2e1b07df3cbb0b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Is there a mention on the slug website about how to use the testing functions of the listserver without spamming the list? I looked through my email, but didn't find anything. Can anyone point me to the thread? TIA! Russell From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 14:01:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA30998 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:01:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA30995 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:01:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04604 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:01:33 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA3J0vNL029551 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:00:57 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA3K3HJK001923 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:03:17 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA3K3Hnb001921; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:03:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 192.168.0.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:03:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1068.192.168.0.1.1036353797.squirrel@_default_> Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:03:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Postnuke To: In-Reply-To: <3DC42ADA.8060506@iotcorp.com> References: <2804.192.168.0.1.1036272207.squirrel@_default_> <3DC42ADA.8060506@iotcorp.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ronan thanks a lot for answering my question. I have a question; do you have any idea how I can change that if I didn't compile that manually?. I am doing this question because my Redhat already comes with all those packages installed. Thanks a lot again. Diego Henao >> >> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_pconnect() in >> /var/www/html/install/newinstall.php on line 36 >> >> I am positive the problem is between mysql and php, but I don't know >> how to fix that. >> > > This doesn't sound like a problem between PHP and MySQL. This sounds > like your version of PHP was not compiled with any support FOR MySQL. > The entire mysql_pconnect() function is a mystery to PHP. This is not a > problem with your running MySQL server or parameters. > > --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 14:49:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA31330 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:49:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA31327 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:49:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04977 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:49:24 -0500 Received: from clubfoot.cracktown.com (clubfoot.cracktown.com [66.152.21.243]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA3JmpNL032127 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:48:52 -0500 Received: from clubfoot.cracktown.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clubfoot.cracktown.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA3LEJdo043799 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:14:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from joeo@cracktown.com) Received: from localhost (joeo@localhost) by clubfoot.cracktown.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with ESMTP id gA3LEINU043794 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:14:19 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: clubfoot.cracktown.com: joeo owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:14:17 -0500 (EST) From: Joe O To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] UT2003 In-Reply-To: <1036303449.1683.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20021103160229.B43738-100000@clubfoot.cracktown.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The game cd includes a linux installer and binaries. To get it to count as a "linux sales" you should buy it from one of the online linux game retailers like Tux Games. News about new patches are often listed on linuxgames.com an happypenguin.org. Note that at this time you pretty much need to have either an NVidia GeForce 2, 3, or 4 to play it under linux, as the game requires a few bits of hardware functionality that the opensource DRI drivers can't yet expose due to unresolved licensing conditions (primarily S3TC. Brian Paul, the MESA guy, is currently trying to get VIA's attention on this one, but since there's been absolutely no news after a brief announcement a few weeks ago, it's possible that tungsten graphics or someone else may be in the early stages of negotiating something. Or not.). On 3 Nov 2002, Jim Lange wrote: > Hi, > I have noticed that Unreal Tournament 2003 Demo and server is available > for both windows and Linux. But so far I've only seen the full game > available for windows only. Does anyone know if the full version is > available or going to be available for Linux. Also any feedback on > installing it and getting it to work. > Jim > > > From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 14:56:44 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA31401 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:56:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA31398 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:56:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05049 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:56:43 -0500 Received: from mp3.lenseinc.com (653249hfc208.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.49.208]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA3Ju1NL032519 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:56:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (kai@localhost) by mp3.lenseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00639 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:55:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mp3.lenseinc.com: kai owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:55:42 -0500 (EST) From: Kai Lien X-Sender: kai@mp3.lenseinc.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Postnuke In-Reply-To: <1068.192.168.0.1.1036353797.squirrel@_default_> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Did you install the php-mysql rpm package? php-mysql-version-number.i586.rpm To check your php installation, use phpinfo(); save above as info.php and open this file from your browser. You will learn many things regarding your php installation. Kai On Sun, 3 Nov 2002, Diego Henao wrote: > Ronan thanks a lot for answering my question. I have a question; do you > have any idea how I can change that if I didn't compile that manually?. I > am doing this question because my Redhat already comes with all those > packages installed. > > Thanks a lot again. > Diego Henao > > >> > >> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_pconnect() in > >> /var/www/html/install/newinstall.php on line 36 > >> > >> I am positive the problem is between mysql and php, but I don't know > >> how to fix that. > >> > > > > This doesn't sound like a problem between PHP and MySQL. This sounds > > like your version of PHP was not compiled with any support FOR MySQL. > > The entire mysql_pconnect() function is a mystery to PHP. This is not a > > problem with your running MySQL server or parameters. > > > > --ronan > > - -- Kai Lien DSA key ID 39BD44C0 Lense Consulting Company www.lenseco.com Fortune Cookie of the Day: Don't stop to stomp ants when the elephants are stampeding. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9xXExztiWgzm9RMARAkbmAJ9x3n4nkGn6lbUQATEvrxaLEvaGRgCcDMaY fTj85iIGzCo6hHMi4rgKtMY= =IGnr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 15:06:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA31488 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:06:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA31485 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:06:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05135 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:06:13 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535240hfc119.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.240.119]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA3K5wNL000606 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:05:59 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id A107B5F41 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:09:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:03:05 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] UT2003 Message-Id: <20021103150305.472c5f14.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <1036303449.1683.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <2804.192.168.0.1.1036272207.squirrel@_default_> <3DC42ADA.8060506@iotcorp.com> <1036286207.6390.14.camel@compaq> <200211022316.55874.syd@ittagteam.com> <1036303449.1683.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The full, boxed version is supposed to contain a Linux install client on the third CD, according to: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4579954~root=unixdsl~mode=flat There's a small howto at http://users.pandora.be/feys/docut2003.html I don't have the required hardware to run ut2k3, so you'll have to tell me how it goes. Levi From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 15:08:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA31511 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:08:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA31508 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:08:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05157 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:08:53 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA3K8hNL000766 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:08:43 -0500 Received: (qmail 30008 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2002 20:07:12 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2002 20:07:12 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 188R2v-0006bR-00 for ; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 15:08:33 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:08:27 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] Test emails Message-ID: <20021103200827.GA25355@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug References: <3DC563D5.4090200@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DC563D5.4090200@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 12:58:45PM -0500, Russell Hires wrote: > Is there a mention on the slug website about how to use the testing > functions of the listserver without spamming the list? I looked through > my email, but didn't find anything. Can anyone point me to the thread? > > TIA! > > Russell http://www.suncoastlug.org/lists.html#subunsub Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 15:31:04 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA31693 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:31:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA31690 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:31:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05350 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:31:03 -0500 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA3KUsNL001969 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:30:54 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-4-62-115-180.tamqfl1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net ([4.62.115.180] helo=compaq) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 188ROS-0008WV-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 15:30:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] autofs not working From: Michael C Rock To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211030956.57681.syd@ittagteam.com> References: <2804.192.168.0.1.1036272207.squirrel@_default_> <200211022316.55874.syd@ittagteam.com> <1036316757.6423.18.camel@compaq> <200211030956.57681.syd@ittagteam.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 03 Nov 2002 15:26:29 -0500 Message-Id: <1036355195.15982.5.camel@compaq> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I guess I do not under what you mean by " when you ask for it" . I have been assuming that just running autofs that the shares were automatically mounted. If this is not the case, just what command do I run to mount these shares via autofs? Your auto.net is a bit too techinical for me, not being a programmer. I need a simple one line example that works :o) Mine apparently do not! I ran yours and got the same results. That is I put your examples in my auto.master and auto.net and auto.misc files and then ran autofs and then went to the /mnt directory and ,,,nothing was there. I know you said the example was simple,,, however I guess I am a bit simpler than your example. Michael C. Rock "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep,, to gain what they cannot lose" On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 09:56, Syd Alsobrook wrote: > On Sunday 03 November 2002 04:45, Michael C Rock wrote: > > Autofs is supposed to dynamically create your directory for you. I will > > create it and try again to see if the instructions are wrong. Thanks > > > > It creates it when you ask for it. here are my files. > > > > -- > ----------- > Protect your privacy. > http://www.epic.org > http://www.gnupg.org > ---- > > # $Id: auto.master,v 1.2 1997/10/06 21:52:03 hpa Exp $ > # Sample auto.master file > # Format of this file: > # mountpoint map options > # For details of the format look at autofs(5). > /mnt /etc/auto.misc > /net /etc/auto.net > ---- > > # $Id: auto.misc,v 1.2 1997/10/06 21:52:04 hpa Exp $ > # This is an automounter map and it has the following format > # key [ -mount-options-separated-by-comma ] location > # Details may be found in the autofs(5) manpage > > kernel -ro ftp.kernel.org:/pub/linux > #boot -fstype=ext2 :/dev/hda1 > #removable -fstype=ext2,sync,nodev,nosuid :/dev/hdd > cd -fstype=iso9660,ro,sync,nodev,nosuid :/dev/scd0 > dvd -fstype=iso9660,ro,sync,nodev,nosuid :/dev/scd1 > floppy -fstype=auto,sync,nodev,nosuid :/dev/fd0 From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 15:38:04 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA31753 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:38:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA31750 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:38:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05410 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:38:03 -0500 Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA3KbhNL002342 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:37:44 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-4-62-115-178.tamqfl1.elnk.dsl.genuity.net ([4.62.115.178] helo=compaq) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 188RV4-0004yy-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 15:37:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] autofs not working From: Michael C Rock To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211030956.57681.syd@ittagteam.com> References: <2804.192.168.0.1.1036272207.squirrel@_default_> <200211022316.55874.syd@ittagteam.com> <1036316757.6423.18.camel@compaq> <200211030956.57681.syd@ittagteam.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 03 Nov 2002 15:33:19 -0500 Message-Id: <1036355605.15982.8.camel@compaq> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Did I ever mention that the shares that I want to mount are on another server?? Michael C. Rock "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep,, to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 16:45:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA32234 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:45:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA32223 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:45:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05950 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:45:43 -0500 Received: from spanky.onsyd.com (tamqfl1-ar3-4-64-048-131.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net [4.64.48.131]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA3Lj0NL005921 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:45:01 -0500 Received: from karma.onsyd.com (karma.onsyd.com [192.168.0.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by spanky.onsyd.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gA3Liq0I010788 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:44:54 -0500 From: Syd Alsobrook To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] autofs not working Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:44:52 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.7 References: <2804.192.168.0.1.1036272207.squirrel@_default_> <200211030956.57681.syd@ittagteam.com> <1036355195.15982.5.camel@compaq> In-Reply-To: <1036355195.15982.5.camel@compaq> X-NSA-Trigger: Plutonium President kill infiltrate Fissionable weapons grade NSA CIA (Have a Nice Day) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200211031644.52338.syd@ittagteam.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sunday 03 November 2002 15:26, Michael C Rock wrote: > I guess I do not under what you mean by " when you ask for it" . I have if you used my auto.* files then type "ls /net/" replacong with the name of your nfs server. autofs only mounts the filesystem when it is requested. Syd -- ----------- Protect your privacy. http://www.epic.org http://www.gnupg.org From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 16:47:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA32268 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:47:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA32265 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:47:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05974 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:47:53 -0500 Received: from pop018.verizon.net (pop018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.212]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA3LlKNL006061 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:47:21 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.104.184]) by pop018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021103214715.KUUD1896.pop018.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:47:15 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Information on packet type Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:50:38 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211031650.38244.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop018.verizon.net from [4.47.104.184] at Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:47:14 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug my firewall is receiving packets on port 2869 with the designation of isclap. Anyone know what this means, isclap? Smitty From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 17:18:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA32488 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:18:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA32485 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:18:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06219 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:18:53 -0500 Received: from ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (mail.kingwoodcable.net [24.206.159.247]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA3MITNL007732 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:18:29 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id 99605350075 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:17:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from micro.hef (h65-222-109-126.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.109.126]) by ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DE4935006F for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:17:58 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 16488 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2002 21:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iotcorp.com) (192.168.5.5) by 192.168.5.1 with SMTP; 3 Nov 2002 21:33:28 -0000 Message-ID: <3DC55AC7.4000809@iotcorp.com> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 12:20:07 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan Organization: Integrated Object Technologies Corp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Postnuke References: <2804.192.168.0.1.1036272207.squirrel@_default_> <3DC42ADA.8060506@iotcorp.com> <1068.192.168.0.1.1036353797.squirrel@_default_> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Diego Henao wrote: > Ronan thanks a lot for answering my question. I have a question; do you > have any idea how I can change that if I didn't compile that manually?. I > am doing this question because my Redhat already comes with all those > packages installed. > Read the message in this thread from Kai Lien for info on an RPM. I have never installed a php-mysql binary before so I can't comment on that route (either my distro came with a working PHP w/MySQL support precompiled (e.g. SuSE7.3), or I downloaded all of the source and compiled from scratch (MySQL support is a configure option). Running on my webserver, I get tons of information in several tables, including the following stuff related to MySQL support: MySQL Support enabled Active Persistent Links 0 Active Links 0 Client API version 3.23.39 MYSQL_MODULE_TYPE builtin MYSQL_SOCKET /tmp/mysql.sock MYSQL_INCLUDE MYSQL_LIBS Directive Local Value Master Value mysql.allow_persistent On On mysql.default_host no value no value mysql.default_password no value no value mysql.default_port no value no value mysql.default_socket no value no value mysql.default_user no value no value mysql.max_links Unlimited Unlimited mysql.max_persistent Unlimited Unlimited --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 19:08:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA00787 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:08:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA00784 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:08:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07097 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:08:33 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA408JNL013612 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:08:19 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653469hfc82.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.69.82]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA408DS8029945 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 19:08:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DC5B9BA.6000307@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 19:05:14 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft Wins! References: <20021102135439.GB17738@quillandmouse.com> <3DC3E35F.3060702@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I still think they should be broken up, sued out of existence and the remnants put in jail. They're felons -- extortion, fraud, racketeering, destruction of property, and vandalism. On a good day. Ed. Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > >> Grrr. >> >> > > Not necessarily. If you're Sun, Grrr. If you're a computer OEM who has > talked about either offering Linux-only machines or dual-boot options, > you might find yourself better off than before. Judge Kathy ruled that > if Microsoft retaliates or threatens retaliation against you for not > making their product "the one and only" on your computers you have > grounds for both a civil suit and a request for contempt of court > (criminal) prosecution. > From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 21:35:44 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA01829 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:35:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA01815 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:35:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08306 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:35:43 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA42ZXNL021439 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:35:33 -0500 Received: from test01 (102bus18.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.102.18]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA42ZQS8011634 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:35:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <073801c283aa$d5f3d140$3249490a@test01> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <200211031650.38244.a.smitty@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Information on packet type Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:35:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Q. What is isclap? It apparently is the Indian Script Code for Language Paging, related also to the Indian Script Code for Information Interchange. The number of bytes in a syllable is not linearly related to the number of glyphs required to represent it on screen [1]. Unlike Western alphabets where each glyph (letter) has a 1 to 1 correlation with the number of bytes needed to transmit it. The glyph of an Indian language is composed of more than one element as it is created electronically, and this is done at runtime. An editor must keep track of the number of bytes of each syllable, and handle, at the glyph level, the number of glyphs forming a syllable. (If you have seen Hindi, Tamil, Bengali, Devanagari etc with the complex manner in which letters are assembled, this will be clearer). Indix have created binaries on RedHat 7.1 with glibc 2.2.2 that run on XFree86 to render these characters. Details at the cited site, below. I did not find anything here that specifically links this port assignment to this data type but it seems fairly likely that this port assignment is intended to handle doublebyte character transmission of this data type between machines. The fact that you are seeing this port on a firewall log over here indicates a good lilkelihood (to me) that some hacker just appropriated that port number for random garbage transmission. IMHO anyway. Bob Foxworth [1] http://rohini.ncst.ernet.in/indix/ Subject: [SLUG] Information on packet type > my firewall is receiving packets on port 2869 with the designation of isclap. > Anyone know what this means, isclap? > Smitty From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 3 22:36:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA02259 for slug-track29; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:36:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA02256 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:36:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08797 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:36:45 -0500 Received: from pop015.verizon.net (pop015pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.172]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA43aYNL024717 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:36:35 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.104.184]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021104033629.KYRG28019.pop015.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:36:29 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Information on packet type Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:39:53 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200211031650.38244.a.smitty@verizon.net> <073801c283aa$d5f3d140$3249490a@test01> In-Reply-To: <073801c283aa$d5f3d140$3249490a@test01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211032239.53018.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop015.verizon.net from [4.47.104.184] at Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:36:28 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sunday 03 November 2002 21:35, you wrote: > Q. What is isclap? > > It apparently is the Indian Script Code for Language Paging, related also > to the Indian Script Code for Information Interchange. Aha. > > The number of bytes in a syllable is not linearly related to the number > of glyphs required to represent it on screen [1]. Unlike Western alphabets > where each glyph (letter) has a 1 to 1 correlation with the number of bytes > needed to transmit it. > > The glyph of an Indian language is composed of more than one element > as it is created electronically, and this is done at runtime. An editor > must keep > track of the number of bytes of each syllable, and handle, at the glyph > level, > the number of glyphs forming a syllable. > > (If you have seen Hindi, Tamil, Bengali, Devanagari etc with the complex > manner in which letters are assembled, this will be clearer). Yes, I am familiar with gujarati, hindi, pali etc. I don't think devanagari is used except in hindu scriptures to express the sanskrit language. > > Indix have created binaries on RedHat 7.1 with glibc 2.2.2 that run > on XFree86 to render these characters. Details at the cited site, below. > > I did not find anything here that specifically links this port assignment > to this > data type but it seems fairly likely that this port assignment is > intended to handle doublebyte character transmission of this data type > between machines. The fact that you are seeing this port on a firewall > log over here indicates a good lilkelihood (to me) that some hacker just > appropriated that port number for random garbage transmission. > IMHO anyway. Bob Foxworth > [1] http://rohini.ncst.ernet.in/indix/ Interesting. I have seen quite a bit ofport scanning looking for this port. > > > Subject: [SLUG] Information on packet type > > > my firewall is receiving packets on port 2869 with the designation of > > isclap. > > > Anyone know what this means, isclap? > > Smitty From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 03:47:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id DAA04498 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 03:47:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA04495 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 03:47:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11729 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 03:47:56 -0500 Received: from web10405.mail.yahoo.com (web10405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.97]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA48lXNL009457 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 03:47:33 -0500 Message-ID: <20021104084727.64084.qmail@web10405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.148.172.85] by web10405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 00:47:27 PST Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 00:47:27 -0800 (PST) From: casey fraites Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3DBE92F4.50906@iotcorp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey Guys I need some product reviews on the newst versions of linux what have you hear about SUSU 8.1 and the new kernal what do that mean for linux users and this it wortth price $99 than purchaseing red hat 8.0 $39 and has any one heard of xandos linux used to make by corel people ? --- Ronan Heffernan wrote: > casey fraites wrote: > > thank you for your time Ronan > > > > For your insite on networking with linux I am > college > > student and I help out at a local computer shop > in > > town I am looking to network a small amount of > > computers what brand of linux would you recommend > I > > hear that redhat is used mostly in enterprise and > > small businesses Is there tutoruals on the net to > > help learn the basics of operating linux ?? > > > What kind of user do you want to be? Do you want to > help your computer > shop by installing and supporting Linux on white > boxes (major > involvement)? Do you just want to use Linux as a > Desktop for word > processing, email, etc. (very little tutorial > needed, especially if > someone else sets-up your box). Software Developer > (a special breed of > insanity on any platform)? Do you want to set-up a > home LAN or your own > ISP? What you want to use Linux for will dictate > what kind of > books/tutorials that you need, and should influence > how you initially > approach Linux. > > There are many books on learning Linux or using > Linux. The O'Reilly > books are solid, but they seem a bit technical for a > first book. The > Hillsborough County Public Library system has quite > a few > introduction-grade books on Linux (including Linux > for Dummies). If you > need to pick-up an elective, or a CS class, any > basic course on UNIX > will teach you a lot about the underlying structures > of Linux (commands, > filesystem layout, lore, etc.) in case you want to > know the gory details. > > I have used SuSE for the last five years. I like > the installer (which > does a great job of recognizing your hardware and > configuring your > system to match) and the packages which are > installed and configured > automatically. Honestly, once a machine is > installed and configured the > way that you like it, all of the major distros work > in pretty-much the > same way (which is no surprise when you figure that > the most important > differentiating factor between distros is the > installer software). Red > Hat is not only common in Enterprises; it is very > popular for home use, > and Mandrake which is popular primarly in homes is > based on Red Hat. > > If you want to play with Linux without a major > investment of time or > knowledge, you can bring your box to a SLUG meeting > and you should find > someone who will help install and configure Linux > for you. Then you can > use it as a Desktop and let your learning be driven > by your needs. If > you are going to do this, you should coordinate on > the list to make sure > that someone will be at the meeting who can help, > and that someone will > be bringing a distro to install. > > --ronan > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 06:55:56 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA06292 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:55:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA06289 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:55:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA13925 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:55:56 -0500 Received: from ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (mail.kingwoodcable.net [24.206.159.247]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA4BtdNL020590 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 06:55:39 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id 3544635002F for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 05:55:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from micro.hef (h65-222-109-126.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.109.126]) by ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E97F350057 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 05:55:07 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 16824 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2002 11:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iotcorp.com) (192.168.5.5) by 192.168.5.1 with SMTP; 4 Nov 2002 11:10:44 -0000 Message-ID: <3DC61A4E.8030401@iotcorp.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 01:57:18 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan Organization: Integrated Object Technologies Corp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question References: <20021104084727.64084.qmail@web10405.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug casey fraites wrote: > Hey Guys I need some product reviews on the newst > versions of linux what have you hear about SUSU 8.1 > and the new kernal what do that mean for linux users > and this it wortth price $99 than purchaseing red hat > 8.0 $39 and has any one heard of xandos linux used to > make by corel people ? BestBuy.com is selling SuSE 8.1 Professional for $69.95 (I don't know what the price is in the stores). Most users can get by with SuSE Personal (3 CDs instead of 7 CDs), with a list price of approx $39.95 (should be cheaper through retail channels?). I don't know how the other distros are. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 08:35:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA07409 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:35:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA07406 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:35:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15020 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:35:07 -0500 Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA4DYbNL026280 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:34:38 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=earthlink.net) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 188hNA-0007Hr-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 05:34:32 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC6775F.4040507@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:34:23 -0500 From: Russell Hires User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux ppc; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020622 Debian/1.0.0-0.woody.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] Exim Config Help? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e76a3b7dcf08a00a9be7fff4cb67f76b439350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey Everyone, I can send email via KMail and exim, but not to the SLUG list. I think it has to do with the return-path in one of the headers. My host name is poet.village-smurf.com, but I'm using a smarthost to send my mail, and yet, in the return path I've got poet.village-smurf.com (I actually own the domain village-smurf.com BTW). If I switch it to earthlink.net, I can't send email. Or at least, when I run eximconfig, that's what happens. I'm not above editing the exim.conf file by hand, but I don't know what to change. I've read the docs, but they're a bit too "jargony" for me yet. Here's a copy of my headers for reference... Russell Status: R Return-Path: > Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.218]) by merlin (EarthLink SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 188H7c1ab3NZFlq1 for >; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 05:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 188h7C-0007GR-00 for rhires@earthlink.net ; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 05:18:02 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 188h72-0008Pv-00 for >; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 08:17:52 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires > Reply-To: rhires@earthlink.net To: rhires@earthlink.net Subject: test 55 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:17:51 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: > Sender: Russell Hires > X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e76550a0645c4c729471d0da613bf1701c7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Status: N From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 08:59:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA07593 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:59:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA07590 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:59:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15231 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:59:17 -0500 From: bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA4Dx4NL027614 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:59:04 -0500 Received: from myduron (653266hfc186.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.66.186]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA4Dww7Z011143 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:58:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005101c2840a$66b56ae0$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> To: References: <20021104084727.64084.qmail@web10405.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:59:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yes Tina Gasperson did a great Story on Xandros Linux. http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/10/21/1749230&mode=thread&tid=23 You may want to read this write up. It sounds like they have started to do things that Corel was suppose to have. Enjoy. Bill Preece ----- Original Message ----- From: "casey fraites" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question > Hey Guys I need some product reviews on the newst > versions of linux what have you hear about SUSU 8.1 > and the new kernal what do that mean for linux users > and this it wortth price $99 than purchaseing red hat > 8.0 $39 and has any one heard of xandos linux used to > make by corel people ? > --- Ronan Heffernan wrote: > > casey fraites wrote: > > > thank you for your time Ronan > > > > > > For your insite on networking with linux I am > > college > > > student and I help out at a local computer shop > > in > > > town I am looking to network a small amount of > > > computers what brand of linux would you recommend > > I > > > hear that redhat is used mostly in enterprise and > > > small businesses Is there tutoruals on the net to > > > help learn the basics of operating linux ?? > > > > > > What kind of user do you want to be? Do you want to > > help your computer > > shop by installing and supporting Linux on white > > boxes (major > > involvement)? Do you just want to use Linux as a > > Desktop for word > > processing, email, etc. (very little tutorial > > needed, especially if > > someone else sets-up your box). Software Developer > > (a special breed of > > insanity on any platform)? Do you want to set-up a > > home LAN or your own > > ISP? What you want to use Linux for will dictate > > what kind of > > books/tutorials that you need, and should influence > > how you initially > > approach Linux. > > > > There are many books on learning Linux or using > > Linux. The O'Reilly > > books are solid, but they seem a bit technical for a > > first book. The > > Hillsborough County Public Library system has quite > > a few > > introduction-grade books on Linux (including Linux > > for Dummies). If you > > need to pick-up an elective, or a CS class, any > > basic course on UNIX > > will teach you a lot about the underlying structures > > of Linux (commands, > > filesystem layout, lore, etc.) in case you want to > > know the gory details. > > > > I have used SuSE for the last five years. I like > > the installer (which > > does a great job of recognizing your hardware and > > configuring your > > system to match) and the packages which are > > installed and configured > > automatically. Honestly, once a machine is > > installed and configured the > > way that you like it, all of the major distros work > > in pretty-much the > > same way (which is no surprise when you figure that > > the most important > > differentiating factor between distros is the > > installer software). Red > > Hat is not only common in Enterprises; it is very > > popular for home use, > > and Mandrake which is popular primarly in homes is > > based on Red Hat. > > > > If you want to play with Linux without a major > > investment of time or > > knowledge, you can bring your box to a SLUG meeting > > and you should find > > someone who will help install and configure Linux > > for you. Then you can > > use it as a Desktop and let your learning be driven > > by your needs. If > > you are going to do this, you should coordinate on > > the list to make sure > > that someone will be at the meeting who can help, > > and that someone will > > be bringing a distro to install. > > > > --ronan > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 09:45:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA07984 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:45:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA07981 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:45:10 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15706 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:45:10 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA02191 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:45:10 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending Mail...works for now Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:45:10 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <3DC3CA88.5050004@earthlink.net> <3DC42B7D.9080508@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3DC42B7D.9080508@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211040945.10168.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id JAA07982 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > I was disgusted, while using GTE and winblows 3.1 when their reason my > E-mail box being constantly empty, even after I sent myself E-mail from my > backup ISP (the Suncoast Freenet) was because I had installed windows > on my "E" drive instead of my "C" drive, I was told: "windows must be > installed on the "C" drive to work properly, that is your problem." The > fact that it has always been there and the E-mail constipation was a new > problem didn't change their opinion. > I did not move it, and a day or two later I had over 300 pieces of > E-mail waiting for me. I've learned a valuable lesson about dealing with such folks: "Yes, it's installed on C: correctly. Hell, sure, I can re-install it.." *humming silently to self, twiddling thumbs, playing with Gnome settings* "There. It's re-installed. Same problem. It's on your end, not mine." When you know more about the underlying protocols than the techs on the phone will ever hope to, fibbing is your only hope for a sane solution to your problem. Giving them a hard time or acting holier than thou only drives them to get you off the phone as quickly as possible, usually with no problem resolution whatsoever. Feed into their delusion: guide them toward the true solution to the problem. And if the tech tells you to "reinstall windows" anyway, get their supervisor on the phone or just hang up and quit wasting your time. -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 09:58:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA08095 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:58:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA08092 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:58:52 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15832 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:58:52 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA02530 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:58:52 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Staying connected Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:58:52 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <3DC3D6D8.2020301@earthlink.net> <20021102163725.GB19516@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20021102163725.GB19516@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211040958.52262.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id JAA08093 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 02 November 2002 11:37, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 08:44:56AM -0500, Russell Hires wrote: > > AAAhhhhh...the joys of Verizon's DSL service....This is all about DHCP, > > pump, etc... > > > > So, I figured out (for now) my email situation, but now I have other > > questions. How do I keep my computer connected to the net all the time? > > When I switched from Earthlink to Verizon, and when I use pump to get my > > address, everything works okay. It's just that after a time, the IP > > expires, and I have manually re-run pump to get a new address. I know > > that there is a better solution to this, but what is it? Isn't there a > > dhcp daemon that runs in the background that checks this sort of thing? > > You should be able to run dhcpcd to keep your connection alive. That's > what it's for. There are three major players when it comes to DHCP clients: 1) dhclient 2) pump 3) dhcpcd >From experience, I prefer dhclient. It always works, and has no problems with multiple interfaces. Painless, simple, I can't recommend it enough. Pump has a nasty tendency to get seriously confused when there is more than one network interface on a box. Once upon a time, I used pump. Now I know better. RedHat derived boxen tend to use it by default (why, I ask?) As for dhcpcd, I've had varying problems with it as well the few times I've attempted to use it. Whereas pump will generally get a lease regardless on a single-homed box, dhcpcd tends to be finicky about obtaining a lease at all. Because of these experiences, I don't recommend it., but many others seem to have no problems. Also, remember that every DHCP client has a daemon piece that listens for leases and requests renewals during the lease cycle to keep the existing lease. THERE MUST BE ONLY ONE DHCP DAEMON RUNNING AT A TIME. If you have more than one, you may see the symptoms you are experiencing (lack of renewal, no lease at all, etc). Make sure that you only have one "pump", "dhclient", or "dhcpcd" process running on your system at any given time. Hope this helps. -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 10:44:47 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA08451 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:44:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA08448 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:44:47 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16321 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:44:47 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA03856 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:44:47 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon and SMTP Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:44:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200211020057.gA20vHn08239@host.axxessible.com> <001301c28238$1b4ff6c0$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <001301c28238$1b4ff6c0$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211041044.46509.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id KAA08449 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 02 November 2002 01:21, bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > It does not matter whether you are using Dial up or Broad Band. > Verizon does not have anything to do with weather you can get into > another's SMTP. They only monitor their own. Verizon doesn't do "Broad Band" (DSL isn't like cable BroadBand, it's a point-to-point connection with a DSLAM), but their marketing does call it that. Really, Broadband and Baseband are old terms that have largely lost any of their original meaning. In a way, DSL is technically broadband (multiple parallel carrier frequencies existing on the same wire). Using their ISP service, Verizon *can* filter ports and otherwise intercept SMTP traffic and refuse to carry it. If you're using an alternate DSL IP provider (which generally use Verizon's DSLAMs with a Frame or ATM peering), then you wouldn't have this problem. Just as TimeWarner allows others to resell their BroadBand service, Verizon does the same. If you're not happy with Verizon's IP service, you can use one of the dozen others in the area that will carry your traffic without incident over the exact same network. > How ever with most isp's you can receive by remote but not send. > This means for instance right now I have both Road Runner and > Mindspring/Earthlink. > I can get pop 3 from Mindspring/Earthlink thru Road Runner but again can > not send. Are you subscribing to Earthlink's BroadBand service, or are you subscribing to RoadRunner's BroadBand service and using pop3 on your Earthlink account? If you're using a RoadRunner IP address, you should be able to use a RoadRunner SMTP relay. I honestly don't know if they also require the message to be coming from a "user@tampabay.rr.com" address as well. They seem to allow outbound SMTP direct (not filtered like Verizon), which is what I use for all mail at home. If you're being assigned an EarthLink IP address, then you would need to use your EarthLink SMTP relay. I'd like to hear if this is actually happening. >From my DOCSIS DHCP lease sniffs, I haven't a clue as to the public IP addresses being assigned to TimeWarner customers - only the RFC1918 private 10.x network addresses. > Mindspring/earthlink does not want you to be able to use SMTP as stated by > IAN because they feel this will > control Spam. How ever we all know that is Bull as also stated. I stated this? Perhaps a while back. They are indeed attempting to stop spamming from their BroadBand customers. I'm not sure how this is bull. If you can't send SMTP mail, you can't send SMTP mail. Period. The only hope you have is to find a relay/gateway on another network and use non-SMTP filtered ports to relay mail through it. This effectively kills all spam originating directly from Verizon's IP network If you don't like it, don't pay for their service. I wouldn't ;) > I can also access Mindspring/Earthlink Pop3 Remote through Verizons but > again no SMTP! So, in order to send mail through Verizon's restricted relay, you must use your @verizon.com customer assigned email address? Sounds like a good anti-spam measure to me. People who use unencrypted pop3 mail over the Internet proper scare the hell out of me anyway. This isn't targeted at any one person - I'm amazed at the general lack of concern about passwords and unencrypted email being sent in the clear across the backbone. It personally scares the living hell out of me. > Now if you have your own server set up then you set the permissions as to > what get's through from what Domain. Unless they decide to filter your > domain from their access which they usually will not bother. > Because it is not there servers in this Scenario. To "filter your domain', they would need to add a router ACL to limit access to a given IP/IP:port. As this is not truely a security concern, and ACLs only eat up router memory and slow down traffic, why would they add this to block a single external relay on a non-standard port? It simply cannot make sense for them to do so. Hurray for us. It is true, though, as soon as the mail is bounced through an external non-standard mail gateway it is no longer their network acting as a relay, which removes their culpability as a spam source. -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 11:02:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA08630 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:02:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA08627 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:02:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16533 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:02:57 -0500 Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA4G2oNL002104 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:02:50 -0500 Received: from A2L1.gte.net ([24.96.63.146]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021104160239.TSV1443.out011.verizon.net@A2L1.gte.net> for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:02:39 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:02:18 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20021104084727.64084.qmail@web10405.mail.yahoo.com> <3DC61A4E.8030401@iotcorp.com> In-Reply-To: <3DC61A4E.8030401@iotcorp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211041102.18115.A2L1@gte.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id LAA08628 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 04 November 2002 01:57, you wrote: > > BestBuy.com is selling SuSE 8.1 Professional for $69.95 (I don't know > what the price is in the stores). > > --ronan I bought my SuSE PRO at best buy and it was 79.00 bucks plus tax(Clearwater store) Maybe they changed the price? There are a few copies of SuSE on the sale list :) A J Powered by SuSE Linux Virusproof, Crashproof. No MS products were used in the creation of this message.. registered Linux user #191255 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 11:21:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA08797 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:21:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA08794 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:21:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16727 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:21:57 -0500 Received: from t3t.com (www.t3t.com [216.136.30.137]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA4GLQNL003163 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:21:26 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.51] [64.132.253.199] by t3t.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id AF06613E033E; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 11:23:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon and SMTP From: Ryland Bingham To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211041044.46509.icblenke@nks.net> References: <200211020057.gA20vHn08239@host.axxessible.com> <001301c28238$1b4ff6c0$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <200211041044.46509.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 04 Nov 2002 11:21:59 -0500 Message-Id: <1036426920.15103.8.camel@t3hp1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Verizon Actually does offer a cable-modem service. They inherited GTE's worldwind service. I had it until a couple of months ago. In my experience it was alot slower and more unreliable than RR. The only good thing about it was that I had a year-long contract to get a bunch of premium channels and the Internet service for $50 dollars a month. I'm paying close to $100/month now, but i think it's worth it. On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 10:44, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > On Saturday 02 November 2002 01:21, bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > > It does not matter whether you are using Dial up or Broad Band. > > Verizon does not have anything to do with weather you can get into > > another's SMTP. They only monitor their own. > > Verizon doesn't do "Broad Band" (DSL isn't like cable BroadBand, it's a > point-to-point connection with a DSLAM), but their marketing does call it > that. Really, Broadband and Baseband are old terms that have largely lost any > of their original meaning. In a way, DSL is technically broadband (multiple > parallel carrier frequencies existing on the same wire). > > Using their ISP service, Verizon *can* filter ports and otherwise intercept > SMTP traffic and refuse to carry it. If you're using an alternate DSL IP > provider (which generally use Verizon's DSLAMs with a Frame or ATM peering), > then you wouldn't have this problem. Just as TimeWarner allows others to > resell their BroadBand service, Verizon does the same. If you're not happy > with Verizon's IP service, you can use one of the dozen others in the area > that will carry your traffic without incident over the exact same network. > > > How ever with most isp's you can receive by remote but not send. > > This means for instance right now I have both Road Runner and > > Mindspring/Earthlink. > > I can get pop 3 from Mindspring/Earthlink thru Road Runner but again can > > not send. > > Are you subscribing to Earthlink's BroadBand service, or are you subscribing > to RoadRunner's BroadBand service and using pop3 on your Earthlink account? > > If you're using a RoadRunner IP address, you should be able to use a > RoadRunner SMTP relay. I honestly don't know if they also require the message > to be coming from a "user@tampabay.rr.com" address as well. They seem to > allow outbound SMTP direct (not filtered like Verizon), which is what I use > for all mail at home. > > If you're being assigned an EarthLink IP address, then you would need to use > your EarthLink SMTP relay. I'd like to hear if this is actually happening. > >From my DOCSIS DHCP lease sniffs, I haven't a clue as to the public IP > addresses being assigned to TimeWarner customers - only the RFC1918 private > 10.x network addresses. > > > Mindspring/earthlink does not want you to be able to use SMTP as stated by > > IAN because they feel this will > > control Spam. How ever we all know that is Bull as also stated. > > I stated this? Perhaps a while back. > > They are indeed attempting to stop spamming from their BroadBand customers. > I'm not sure how this is bull. If you can't send SMTP mail, you can't send > SMTP mail. Period. The only hope you have is to find a relay/gateway on > another network and use non-SMTP filtered ports to relay mail through it. > This effectively kills all spam originating directly from Verizon's IP > network > > If you don't like it, don't pay for their service. I wouldn't ;) > > > I can also access Mindspring/Earthlink Pop3 Remote through Verizons but > > again no SMTP! > > So, in order to send mail through Verizon's restricted relay, you must use > your @verizon.com customer assigned email address? Sounds like a good > anti-spam measure to me. > > People who use unencrypted pop3 mail over the Internet proper scare the hell > out of me anyway. This isn't targeted at any one person - I'm amazed at the > general lack of concern about passwords and unencrypted email being sent in > the clear across the backbone. It personally scares the living hell out of > me. > > > Now if you have your own server set up then you set the permissions as to > > what get's through from what Domain. Unless they decide to filter your > > domain from their access which they usually will not bother. > > Because it is not there servers in this Scenario. > > To "filter your domain', they would need to add a router ACL to limit access > to a given IP/IP:port. As this is not truely a security concern, and ACLs > only eat up router memory and slow down traffic, why would they add this to > block a single external relay on a non-standard port? It simply cannot make > sense for them to do so. Hurray for us. > > It is true, though, as soon as the mail is bounced through an external > non-standard mail gateway it is no longer their network acting as a relay, > which removes their culpability as a spam source. > > -- > - Ian C. Blenke > > (This message bound by the following: > http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) > > -- Ryland Bingham Unix/Linux Specialist T3 Technologies, Inc. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 11:29:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA08864 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:29:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA08861 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:29:51 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16809 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:29:51 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA05315 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:29:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] UT2003 From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1036303449.1683.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <2804.192.168.0.1.1036272207.squirrel@_default_> <3DC42ADA.8060506@iotcorp.com> <1036286207.6390.14.camel@compaq> <200211022316.55874.syd@ittagteam.com> <1036303449.1683.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 04 Nov 2002 11:29:51 -0500 Message-Id: <1036427391.15871.0.camel@two.nks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 01:04, Jim Lange wrote: > Hi, > I have noticed that Unreal Tournament 2003 Demo and server is available > for both windows and Linux. But so far I've only seen the full game > available for windows only. Does anyone know if the full version is > available or going to be available for Linux. Also any feedback on > installing it and getting it to work. the Linux Installer is on Disc3 of the boxed set. Order it from www.tuxgames.com or some other online Linux store and you'll count as a "linux sale" to the UT guys. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 12:29:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA09341 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:29:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA09338 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:29:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17409 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:29:27 -0500 Received: from web10407.mail.yahoo.com (web10407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.99]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA4HSlNL006920 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:28:48 -0500 Message-ID: <20021104172842.82540.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.13.110.222] by web10407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 09:28:42 PST Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:28:42 -0800 (PST) From: casey fraites Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211041102.18115.A2L1@gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug thank you for you help and information how are you guys liking the new distros ?? how is the support ?? --- A2L1 wrote: > On Monday 04 November 2002 01:57, you wrote: > > > > BestBuy.com is selling SuSE 8.1 Professional for > $69.95 (I don't know > > what the price is in the stores). > > > > --ronan > > I bought my SuSE PRO at best buy and it was 79.00 > bucks plus tax(Clearwater > store) Maybe they changed the price? > There are a few copies of SuSE on the sale list :) > > A J > > > > Powered by SuSE Linux Virusproof, Crashproof. > No MS products were used in the creation of > this message.. registered Linux user #191255 > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 13:26:17 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA09829 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:26:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA09826 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:26:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18030 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:26:17 -0500 Received: from web80306.mail.yahoo.com (web80306.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.22]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA4IQ7NL010242 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:26:08 -0500 Message-ID: <20021104182602.92088.qmail@web80306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [131.247.9.82] by web80306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 10:26:01 PST Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:26:01 -0800 (PST) From: sanity Subject: Re: [SLUG] CPU Socket To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3DC428CB.6050004@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug AMD recommends using thermal pads--which you are--but they are not optimal. The reason AMD recommends the use of pads instead of grease is that they are worried about the grease getting into the CPU. If you do not change the grease about every year, you run the risk of shorting your CPU if the grease leaks into it. The reason higher-quality greases matter is that they have finer material that better fills the microscopic gaps. Also, they have better material to conduct heat. --j --- Ronald KA4INM Youvan wrote: > > Most of the time, the installer does not use the proper thermal compound. > > > (no, the thermal grease that comes in the little white package with the > > heatsync doesn't count) > > > I don't understand why the zinc oxide laden silicone grease supplied with > the heat sink wouldn't be the correct thing to use on the heat sink. > > BTW, my heat sink didn't come with any, didn't say to use any so I didn't. > It is a 1 gig AMD Athelon with a heat sink approved by AMD for this > microprocessor. (of coarse) It has been this way for over 2 years. > (there is a white thin hard flexible layer of plastic on the heat sink > touching the copper part of the microprocessor.) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 13:40:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA10008 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:40:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA10003 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:40:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18230 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:40:27 -0500 Received: from web80306.mail.yahoo.com (web80306.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.22]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA4IeNNL011086 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:40:24 -0500 Message-ID: <20021104184018.99081.qmail@web80306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [131.247.9.82] by web80306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 10:40:18 PST Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 10:40:18 -0800 (PST) From: sanity Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20021102214411.57829.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --- casey fraites wrote: > career in IT I guess you can say I want the basic > Knowledge of linux to install run trouble shoot > network and run and operate a server from a linux box lol... yeah... I guess "basic" is the word for that. Or not. --j __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 13:47:47 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA10071 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:47:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA10068 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:47:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18301 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:47:47 -0500 Received: from suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (129.1.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.1.129]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA4IlDNL011479 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:47:14 -0500 Received: from patrick (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66] (may be forged)) by suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id gA4IfPx20804 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:41:26 -0500 Message-ID: <00db01c28432$7528e200$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham \(at work\)" To: References: <20021104184018.99081.qmail@web80306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:46:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I wonder what is his definition of advanced?! ----- Original Message ----- From: "sanity" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question > --- casey fraites wrote: > > career in IT I guess you can say I want the basic > > Knowledge of linux to install run trouble shoot > > network and run and operate a server from a linux box > > lol... yeah... I guess "basic" is the word for that. > > Or not. > > --j > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 14:01:17 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA10185 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:01:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA10182 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:01:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18449 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:01:17 -0500 Received: from pop018.verizon.net (pop018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.212]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA4J1FNL012286 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:01:15 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.96.48]) by pop018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021104190109.RSVZ1896.pop018.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:01:09 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Staying connected Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:04:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <3DC3D6D8.2020301@earthlink.net> <20021102163725.GB19516@quillandmouse.com> <200211040958.52262.icblenke@nks.net> In-Reply-To: <200211040958.52262.icblenke@nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211041404.32845.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop018.verizon.net from [4.47.96.48] at Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:01:09 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > There are three major players when it comes to DHCP clients: > > 1) dhclient > 2) pump > 3) dhcpcd > > From experience, I prefer dhclient. It always works, and has no problems > with multiple interfaces. Painless, simple, I can't recommend it enough. Where can one find it? > > Pump has a nasty tendency to get seriously confused when there is more than > one network interface on a box. Once upon a time, I used pump. Now I know > better. RedHat derived boxen tend to use it by default (why, I ask?) > > As for dhcpcd, I've had varying problems with it as well the few times I've > attempted to use it. Whereas pump will generally get a lease regardless on > a single-homed box, dhcpcd tends to be finicky about obtaining a lease at > all. Because of these experiences, I don't recommend it., but many others > seem to have no problems. Ditto. dhcpcd is unreliable at obtaining ip address leases. I have been using it for over a week now, thinking the problem was with Verizon. no, I usually have to manually start it with dhcpcd -dn to get it to grab an address. When it is up and running there are no problems, but when you boot up the next morning, dhcpcd is still half asleep. > > Also, remember that every DHCP client has a daemon piece that listens for > leases and requests renewals during the lease cycle to keep the existing > lease. THERE MUST BE ONLY ONE DHCP DAEMON RUNNING AT A TIME. If you have > more than one, you may see the symptoms you are experiencing (lack of > renewal, no lease at all, etc). Make sure that you only have one "pump", > "dhclient", or "dhcpcd" process running on your system at any given time. > > Hope this helps. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 14:08:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA10255 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:08:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA10252 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:08:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18532 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:08:07 -0500 Received: from web10411.mail.yahoo.com (web10411.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.125]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA4J7jNL012672 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:07:46 -0500 Message-ID: <20021104190740.29267.qmail@web10411.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.13.110.222] by web10411.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 11:07:40 PST Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:07:40 -0800 (PST) From: casey fraites Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <00db01c28432$7528e200$4401a8c0@patrick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug GEe that is how you are going to be I should leave you guys alone --- "Patrick Grantham (at work)" wrote: > I wonder what is his definition of advanced?! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sanity" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:40 PM > Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question > > > > --- casey fraites wrote: > > > career in IT I guess you can say I want the > basic > > > Knowledge of linux to install run trouble > shoot > > > network and run and operate a server from a > linux box > > > > lol... yeah... I guess "basic" is the word for > that. > > > > Or not. > > > > --j > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 14:23:37 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA10394 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:23:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA10391 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:23:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18710 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:23:37 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA4JN9NL013585 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:23:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 10148 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2002 19:23:03 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 4 Nov 2002 19:23:03 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 13:23:00 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] A beginners question Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:23:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20021104190740.29267.qmail@web10411.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Easy now , Casey, Take it one question at a time but try to read some of the volumes of documentation first,,just so you know the questions to ask. These guys and girls on this list are plenty knowledgeable but for the most part they want you to make an effort as well. They will not spoon feed you,,, and they just love to get a good laugh at your expense if they can. Don't take it personally,, one day you will be one of them and acting the same way. Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the Walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep,,to gain what they cannot lose" -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of casey fraites Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 2:08 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question GEe that is how you are going to be I should leave you guys alone --- "Patrick Grantham (at work)" wrote: > I wonder what is his definition of advanced?! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sanity" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:40 PM > Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question > > > > --- casey fraites wrote: > > > career in IT I guess you can say I want the > basic > > > Knowledge of linux to install run trouble > shoot > > > network and run and operate a server from a > linux box > > > > lol... yeah... I guess "basic" is the word for > that. > > > > Or not. > > > > --j > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 14:26:17 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA10431 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:26:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA10428 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:26:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18738 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:26:17 -0500 Received: from suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (129.1.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.1.129]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA4JPZNL013736 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:25:35 -0500 Received: from patrick (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66] (may be forged)) by suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id gA4JJlx20974 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:19:47 -0500 Message-ID: <00ef01c28437$ce84c2b0$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham \(at work\)" To: References: <20021104190740.29267.qmail@web10411.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:24:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug relax. Just some humor. What you listed pushes the envelope of a "basic" understanding. To most, basic may imply, start-up, shutdown, what's this mouse thingy do, etc. I favor raising the bar of what one would consider "basic. It was more of a compliment in my mind. ----- Original Message ----- From: "casey fraites" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question > GEe that is how you are going to be I should > leave you guys alone > --- "Patrick Grantham (at work)" > wrote: > > I wonder what is his definition of advanced?! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "sanity" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question > > > > > > > --- casey fraites wrote: > > > > career in IT I guess you can say I want the > > basic > > > > Knowledge of linux to install run trouble > > shoot > > > > network and run and operate a server from a > > linux box > > > > > > lol... yeah... I guess "basic" is the word for > > that. > > > > > > Or not. > > > > > > --j > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 14:56:37 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA10684 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:56:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA10681 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:56:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19064 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:56:37 -0500 Received: from suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (129.1.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.1.129]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA4JtaNL015485 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:55:37 -0500 Received: from patrick (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66] (may be forged)) by suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id gA4Jnmx21100 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:49:49 -0500 Message-ID: <010901c2843c$00214600$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham \(at work\)" To: References: <20021104190740.29267.qmail@web10411.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question - attend a meeting Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:54:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If you have not been to a meeting yet. I think most would agree to encourage you to attend one. Many questions can be quickly answered. In addition, you will likely see hardware at the meetings and can witness firsthand demos on many topics of intrest. Nearly three years ago attending a meeting at the bradenton public library was invaluable to me. I wish I knew the fella who help me with samba. He may not know the extent of the positive influence he had. His help give me direction to learn what to read and what quetions to ask. There is a catholic church and a day care center in orlando running Linux with samba, thanks to him and the SLUG. Partially because of him and the list I am a SUSE advocate. I tell you this because this group is a valuable resource, despite the often curt sense of humor. I regret offending you. Please hang around a while. --Patrick PS just last week I was lampooned for seemingly innocent typo from Mr. Derek "Funnyman" and comedien Sanity: ********* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Glidden" To: Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] steaming audio > On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 15:06, Patrick Grantham (at work) wrote: > > what would a recommended plugin or module to steam cd quality audio for > > apache? Say I wanted to be able to stream audio from by Linux box at home > > mp3 to my office PC. > > steaming audio? easy: put your laptop filled with mp3s in a large > casserole. fill with 1/2" of water. cover. put in oven at 350 degrees > for approximately 45 minutes. before steaming, you may want to sprinkle > with salt or other spices. let cool before serving. nothin' beats a > nice hot plate of homemade steaming audio. > ********* and of course this nugget from this comedien: **************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "sanity" To: Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] steaming audio > Please, patrick, this is a family list. > > --j > > --- "Patrick Grantham (at work)" wrote: > > what would a recommended plugin or module to steam cd quality audio for > > apache? > > ===== > j -- m9u35@yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 15:03:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA10783 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:03:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA10780 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:03:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19175 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:03:57 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA4K3aNL015983 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:03:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:EAZKdcHR16znORikCrsnOMQjejVtmY9l@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA4K3Ud10014 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:03:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:03:30 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: Slug List Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question In-Reply-To: <20021104190740.29267.qmail@web10411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, casey fraites wrote: > GEe that is how you are going to be I should > leave you guys alone Casey -- There are as many different approaches as there are members of the mailing list -- maybe more. This list is pretty casual -- I reserve my best flames for people who simply don't try and leach the list; others take other approaches. Anyway, hang around a bit -- there are better sides to the list as well. -- Russ Herrold From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 15:26:48 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA11092 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:26:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA11086 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:26:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19494 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:26:47 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA4KQANL017344 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:26:11 -0500 Received: (qmail 11734 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2002 20:26:04 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 4 Nov 2002 20:26:04 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:26:00 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] Network backup software Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:26:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Gentlemen I am looking for backup and disaster recovery software that can handle both Linux and NT. I want to be able to back up the entire network, each server to its own tape drive from one location on the network. Does anyone know of software that will do this? We use Veritas for the NT's right now, and Lone-Tar for the Linux boxes. I want one point of service writing to each servers tape drive. Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the Walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep,,to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 15:34:27 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA11174 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:34:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA11171 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:34:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19608 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:34:27 -0500 Received: from ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (mail.kingwoodcable.net [24.206.159.247]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA4KYONL017836 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:34:24 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BB043500C2 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:33:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from micro.hef (h65-222-109-126.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.109.126]) by ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BAF68350104 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:33:51 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 17903 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2002 19:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iotcorp.com) (192.168.5.5) by 192.168.5.1 with SMTP; 4 Nov 2002 19:49:32 -0000 Message-ID: <3DC693E5.3080307@iotcorp.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 10:36:05 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan Organization: Integrated Object Technologies Corp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Network backup software References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Mikes work account wrote: > Gentlemen > > I am looking for backup and disaster recovery software that can handle both > Linux and NT. I want to be able to back up the entire network, each server > to its own tape drive from one location on the network. > > Does anyone know of software that will do this? We use Veritas for the NT's > right now, and Lone-Tar for the Linux boxes. I want one point of service > writing to each servers tape drive. > At my last real job, we had a mixture of Linux, Sun, and Win32. We used Arekia to back everything up to our Sun tape jukebox. It worked, but our sysadmin was not happy with it. He was a great sysadmin, so I am not going to recommend Arekia, but it definitely worked. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 15:54:37 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA11389 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:54:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA11386 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:54:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19866 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:54:37 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA4KsSNL019015 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:54:28 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA00377 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:53:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c28444$52408d80$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Network backup software Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:54:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Not sure if this is overkill but Veritas Netbackup Datacenter has "Compatiblity" with Linux. http://www.veritas.com/products/listing/ProductDownloadList.jhtml?productId= nbux#datasheets System Requirements and Compatibility VERITAS NetBackup DataCenter 4.5 Supported Server Platforms . Compaq Tru64 UNIX . HP-UX . IBM AIX . IBM (Sequent) DYNIX/ptx . Linux . Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 . Microsoft Windows 2000 . Microsoft Windows 2000 Server Appliance Kit (SAK) . NCR MP-RAS . Novell NetWare* . SGI IRIX . Sun Solaris VERITAS NetBackup DataCenter 4.5 Supported Client Platforms . Apple Macintosh OS, OS X . Compaq OpenVMS . Compaq Tru64 UNIX . Data General (EMC) DG/UX . FreeBSD . HP-UX . HP MPE/iX . IBM AIX . IBM (Sequent) DYNIX/ptx . Linux . Microsoft Windows 95/98/LE/ME/XP . Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 . Microsoft Windows 2000 . Microsoft Windows 2000 Server Appliance Kit (SAK) . NCR MP-RAS . Novell NetWare . SGI IRIX . Sun Solaris VERITAS NetBackup DataCenter 4.5 Supported Network Attached Storage (NAS) Platforms (via NDMP) . Auspex . BlueArc Corporation . EMC . Mirapoint . Network Appliance . Procom Technology . Quantum|ATL tape library . VERITAS ServPointT Appliance Software for NAS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mikes work account" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:26 PM Subject: [SLUG] Network backup software > > Gentlemen > > I am looking for backup and disaster recovery software that can handle both > Linux and NT. I want to be able to back up the entire network, each server > to its own tape drive from one location on the network. > > Does anyone know of software that will do this? We use Veritas for the NT's > right now, and Lone-Tar for the Linux boxes. I want one point of service > writing to each servers tape drive. > > Michael C. Rock > Systems Analyst > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > "The time has come the Walrus said to speak of many things,,," > "Christians give up what they cannot keep,,to gain what they cannot lose" > > > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 15:59:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA11447 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:59:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA11444 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:59:45 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19940 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:59:45 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA13968 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:59:45 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] GNOME vs. KDE From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1036216025.1335.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> <1036173095.1217.19.camel@linux> <1036169928.855.17.camel@two.nks.net> <1036216025.1335.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 04 Nov 2002 15:59:45 -0500 Message-Id: <1036443585.15872.27.camel@two.nks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 00:47, Jim Lange wrote: > On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 11:58, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > ;) > > > > You should hear my rant about GNOME vs. KDE Development Strategy.... > > > > I'd like to hear your rant. heh... ok. Warning to readers: this is mildly offensive however it's not obscene, for most values of "obscene." On a flame-o-riffic scale of one to ten, it rates about a seventy-three. "here's the whole skinny once and for all on my opinions of KDE and GNOME developers. When I compare the two, here's what I imagine: KDE development - A big room somewhere in Europe with lots of chrome and glass and a great big whiteboard in the front with lots of tiny, neat writing on it. There are about 50 desks, each with headphones and pristine workstations, also with a lot of chrome and glass. The faint sound of classical music permeates the room, accompanying the clicky-click of 50 programmers typing or quietly talking in one of the appropriately assigned meeting areas. (Which of course consist of elegant contemporary white pine coffee tables surrounded by contemporary white pine and leather meeting chairs.) Coffee, tea, mineral water and fruit juices are available in the break area. At the end of the day, *everyone* checks in their code and the project leader does a "make" just to make sure it all compiles cleanly, but it's mostly only done from tradition anymore since it always compiles cleanly and works flawlessly. When all milestones have been met, and everything has been QA'd, (usually within a day or two of the roadmap that was written up 18 months previous) a new KDE release is packaged up and released to the mirror sites with the appropriate 24-hour delay for distribution before being announced. KDE developers are generally between the ages of 16 and 25, like art made of lines and squares and the colors white and black. They generally haven't served their mandatory 5 years of military service as required by their government, during which service there is a high likelihood their years of cultural dullness will crack and they will flee Europe to become terrorists for the sheer joy to be found in killing random strangers for no discernable reason. When/if they finally finish military/graduate uni and get real jobs, most of their salary will be taken in taxes so the socialist government can subsidise the care and feeding of the next generation of KDE developers, just like it did for them. GNOME development - An abandoned warehouse in San Francisco, kitted up as for a rave, electronica playing at about 5db louder than "my ears are bleeding and I'm developing an aneurism" volumes and the windows all painted over black so that the strobe and spotlights and lasers can be seen better. Computers, mainly made of whatever stuff has been exchanged for crack or scavenged from dumpsters behind dot-bombs, are scattered around on whatever furniture is available, which also consists of whatever stuff has been exchanged for crack or scavenged from dumpsters behind dot-bombs. There's no break area, but you may be able to bum a beer (or more likely something harder) off of someone else hanging around, and they'd probably be too jacked up on X, coke, acid, heroin, ether or all of the above to notice you. Core GNOME developers are heavy Ketamine users. Development strategies are usually determined by whatever light show happens to be going on at the moment, when one of the developers will leap up and scream "I WANT IT TO LOOK JUST LIKE THAT" and then straightarm his laptop against the wall in an hallucinogenic frenzy before vomiting copiously, passing out and falling face-down in the middle of the dance floor. There's no whiteboard, so developers will diagram things out in the puddles of spilt beer, urine and vomit on the floor. At the end of the day - whenever that is since an equal number of the programmers can be found passed out at any given time - or really whenever someone happens to think of it (which is rarely), someone might type "make" on some machine somewhere, with mixed results. Generally nothing happens, so he/she shrugs his/her shoulders and wanders off to look for someone who might have more pink/black-striped pills. Once in a great while, generally in the unpleasant time between the come-down from the last thing they took and before whatever it was they took just now comes on fully, someone will tar up a bunch of random files and post it on a website someplace it as the next GNOME release, usually with a reference to some kind of monkey. GNOME developers rarely live past 25, prefer "alternative" art - generally stuff made of feces that's "too edgy" for most people to "understand" or "like" - and their bodies can often be found in dumpsters or floating face-down in any sufficiently large body of water." FWIW - I think KDE is great but for some bizarre reason I primarily use GNOME as my desktop. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 16:00:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA11483 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:00:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA11470 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:00:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19964 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:00:47 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA4L0JNL019386 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:00:20 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA00384 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:59:33 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c28445$2c796bc0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: Subject: [SLUG] cooking with tux Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:00:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug SPECIAL ANNIVERSARY OFFER: TUX-PAN LIMITED EDITION Due to the fifth anniversary of using Linux at Berndes, the world leading manufacturer of non-stick cast aluminum cookware, the company would like to thank the community by producing the "Tux-Pan Limited Edition". COMPLETE STORY: http://linuxpr.com/releases/5248.html From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 16:26:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA11747 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:26:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA11744 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:26:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20297 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:26:57 -0500 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA4LQcNL020992 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:26:39 -0500 Received: from user-33qts3j.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.240.115] helo=localhost.localdomain) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 188obX-0007GZ-00; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 13:17:51 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net, "Mikes work account" Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:21:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211041621.21285.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If by basic you mean rudimentary knowledge of everything I would suggest you start with something a lot sampler. Try installing TOMSRTDT on a disk and NOT ON THE HARD DRIVE like one person I recommended this to tried to do. This provides two advantages: 1. You will not mess up an existing system. 2. You can learn all the basic command line commands.You can even learn how to install and modify programs and kernels this way. You can all so learn networking too. After acquiring a wee bit of very basic knowledge then when you try to work with a slightly larger environment you will know what to basically do. Frank On Monday 04 November 2002 14:23, Mikes work account wrote: > Easy now , Casey, > > Take it one question at a time but try to read some of the volumes of > documentation first,,just so you know the questions to ask. > > These guys and girls on this list are plenty knowledgeable but for the most > part they want you to make an effort as well. They will not spoon feed > you,,, and they just love to get a good laugh at your expense if they can. > Don't take it personally,, one day you will be one of them and acting the > same way. > > Michael C. Rock > Systems Analyst > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > "The time has come the Walrus said to speak of many things,,," > "Christians give up what they cannot keep,,to gain what they cannot lose" > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of casey > fraites > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 2:08 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question > > > GEe that is how you are going to be I should > leave you guys alone > --- "Patrick Grantham (at work)" > > wrote: > > I wonder what is his definition of advanced?! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "sanity" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question > > > > > --- casey fraites wrote: > > > > career in IT I guess you can say I want the > > > > basic > > > > > > Knowledge of linux to install run trouble > > > > shoot > > > > > > network and run and operate a server from a > > > > linux box > > > > > lol... yeah... I guess "basic" is the word for > > > > that. > > > > > Or not. > > > > > > --j > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 16:51:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA12040 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:51:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA12037 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:51:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20608 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:51:28 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535240hfc119.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.240.119]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA4Lp0NL022434 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:51:00 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id CD0615F41 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:54:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:47:54 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] GNOME vs. KDE Message-Id: <20021104164754.30630d90.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <1036443585.15872.27.camel@two.nks.net> References: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> <1036173095.1217.19.camel@linux> <1036169928.855.17.camel@two.nks.net> <1036216025.1335.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1036443585.15872.27.camel@two.nks.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug For some reason, that rant sounds a little like it came from the mind of a GNOME developer. ;) Levi From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 18:04:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA12637 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:04:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA12634 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:04:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21455 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:04:58 -0500 Received: from sbc2.ieshost.com (sbc2.ieshost.com [64.95.200.13]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA4N4dNL026638 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:04:39 -0500 Received: (qmail 61776 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2002 23:04:18 -0000 Received: from softdnserror (HELO ws10) (24.92.10.67) by ivbn.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2002 23:04:18 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending Mail...works for now Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:05:36 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <3DC3CA88.5050004@earthlink.net> <3DC42B7D.9080508@tampabay.rr.com> <200211040945.10168.icblenke@nks.net> In-Reply-To: <200211040945.10168.icblenke@nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211041805.36674.steve@itcom.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id SAA12635 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 04 November 2002 09:45, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > > When you know more about the underlying protocols than the techs > on the phone will ever hope to, fibbing is your only hope for a > sane solution to your problem. Giving them a hard time or acting > holier than thou only drives them to get you off the phone as > quickly as possible, usually with no problem resolution > whatsoever. Feed into their delusion: guide them toward the true > solution to the problem. Hehe, yes! This is soo true! When they say "..need windows.." I say sure no problem! (At least most of the time. I've found how to get to the local RR support people, who calls Unix a real O/S, on the phone.) > And if the tech tells you to "reinstall windows" anyway, get > their supervisor on the phone or just hang up and quit wasting > your time. I had a wireless optical mouse that died after 9 months. Lights and all went out. When I called for support the tech said they could not help me since I did not run windows. Was not going to get me a new one even though I have five year warranty. (I got to confess I like giving some a hard time about me not having windows.) In the end the supervisor sent me two, once they realized no O/S would have brought it back to life, and refusing service was not a good option. Can't say I was too unhappy about that. -- Steve ___________________________________________________________ HTML in e-mail is not safe. It let's spammers know to spam you more, and sets you up for online attack through IE 4.x and above. Using HTML in e-mail promotes it as safe to the uninitiated. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 19:00:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA13077 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:00:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA13070 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:00:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21993 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:00:38 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA4NxtNL029729 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:59:55 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (70-109.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.109.70]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA4Nxn7Z027760 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:59:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] GNOME vs. KDE From: Cameron Moore To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1036443585.15872.27.camel@two.nks.net> References: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> <1036173095.1217.19.camel@linux> <1036169928.855.17.camel@two.nks.net> <1036216025.1335.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1036443585.15872.27.camel@two.nks.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 04 Nov 2002 19:02:51 -0500 Message-Id: <1036454571.18417.0.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 15:59, Derek Glidden wrote: > On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 00:47, Jim Lange wrote: > > On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 11:58, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > > > ;) > > > > > > You should hear my rant about GNOME vs. KDE Development Strategy.... > > > Wow! Now I realize why I like Gnome. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 21:29:48 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA14153 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:29:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA14150 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:29:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23303 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:29:48 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA52TVNL005433 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:29:32 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (653469hfc82.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.69.82]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA52TQS8009902 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:29:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DC72C57.5010307@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:26:31 -0500 From: Ed Centanni User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] cooking with tux References: <001101c28445$2c796bc0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I bet they come with user documentation called ... ... pan pages. budda ching! Ed Aaron Steimle wrote: > SPECIAL ANNIVERSARY OFFER: TUX-PAN LIMITED EDITION > > Due to the fifth anniversary of using Linux at Berndes, the > world leading manufacturer of non-stick cast aluminum cookware, > the company would like to thank the community by producing the > "Tux-Pan Limited Edition". > > COMPLETE STORY: > http://linuxpr.com/releases/5248.html > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 4 23:08:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA14811 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:08:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA14808 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:08:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24121 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:08:08 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA547nNL010772 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:07:49 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (117-68.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.68.117]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA547gS8012349; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:07:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DC7440E.3070403@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 04:07:42 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CPU Socket References: <20021104182602.92088.qmail@web80306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > AMD recommends using thermal pads--which you are--but they are not optimal. > The reason AMD recommends the use of pads instead of grease is that they are > worried about the grease getting into the CPU. If you do not change the > grease about every year, you run the risk of shorting your CPU if the grease > leaks into it. If they are so worried about the grease leaking into the CPU, I would think they would seal them so it can't get in there. > The reason higher-quality greases matter is that they have finer material > that better fills the microscopic gaps. Also, they have better material > to conduct heat. If a higher quality grease than is supplied with the heat sink is desired I would think they would only approve heat sinks that supply said higher quality grease. Although I am using one, and I saved about $300 in purchasing this 1 gig AMD CPU 2 years ago, I am not too impressed with their thinking, or lack there of. 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 00:38:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA15458 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:38:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA15455 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:38:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24942 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:38:30 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA55cNNL015745 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:38:23 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 188wPp-00053f-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:38:17 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 188wPf-0002cu-00 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 00:38:07 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] I think I'm getting there Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:38:05 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e769e51ab74d9e7d9976396255f36d1c6fa350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well, I stumbled upon a solution to my mail problems...I wish configuring email weren't so hard...oh, I know, I could just switch to Mozilla's mail, but would that have been fun? Nope. Meanwhile. I stumbled across a file called /etc/email-addresses. Sure enough, when I added myusername: rhires@earthlink.net, everything went along just fine. But we'll see if everyone gets their messages like they should. :-) Sorry about the incoherent rambling. It helps me solve these kinds of problems...LOL Russell - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9x1k9AqKGrvVshJQRAtisAJ92wH5hDKKWUGJlzED0fuV5MqxRhwCfWsjd 3SCV9fkCd+o2rqbg3WnOSWU= =W9SS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 00:47:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA15531 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:47:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA15528 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:47:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25048 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:47:00 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA55khNL016248 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:46:43 -0500 Received: (qmail 72770 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2002 05:45:08 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2002 05:45:08 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 188wXe-0000AK-00 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 00:46:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:46:16 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Exim Config Help? Message-ID: <20021105054616.GA599@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 08:34:23AM -0500, Russell Hires wrote: > Hey Everyone, > > I can send email via KMail and exim, but not to the SLUG list. I think > it has > to do with the return-path in one of the headers. My host name is > poet.village-smurf.com, but I'm using a smarthost to send my mail, and > yet, > in the return path I've got poet.village-smurf.com (I actually own the > domain > village-smurf.com BTW). If I switch it to earthlink.net, I can't send > email. > Or at least, when I run eximconfig, that's what happens. I'm not above > editing the exim.conf file by hand, but I don't know what to change. > I've > read the docs, but they're a bit too "jargony" for me yet. Here's a > copy of > my headers for reference... > > Russell > Hmm. Headers are a little confusing, particularly with all the http links in them. Are you sending this via webmail or something? Anyway, I just finished thrashing Exim about yet again, so I'd be interested in seeing your exim.conf. I've got the O'Reilly Exim book, which is fairly useful. If you only can't send to the SLUG list, it really sounds more like a problem with NKS's reverse lookups than an Exim problem. Do you host your village-smurf domain in your house, and if so, whose nameserver points to it? I _just_ finished solving this exact problem. Check that the qualify_domain setting in your exim.conf has the domain you're subscribed under for the SLUG list. It must be a reverse-lookupable name, or NKS will silently drop the mail. You might also want to set your qualify_recipient setting is for your local machine, so that local unqualified addresses on your machine actually stay local, and aren't passed to your remote SMTP server. Also, here are a couple of tips you can use to see if exim will handle your addresses properly. I use these whenever I change anything. I test for local addresses, LAN addresses and internet addresses. To test addresses, issue the following: /usr/sbin/exim -bt -v -d2 your.address It will tell you what the ultimate disposition of the piece will be, according to how it decodes addresses. I also have a "loop address" on the internet, not with my ISP, to which I send test mail. It resends mail back to me, so I know the local-internet-SMTP-internet-local connection works okay. If you want to watch the actual dialog between your machine and the smarthost you're sending mail to, do this: /usr/sbin/exim -oi -oem -v -d2 -- some.address < testmail where testmail is a text file you want to send. Note that the -d2 parameter can be changed to a higher number (up to 9) and will consequently become more verbose; it's a debug parameter. If you need a broad breakdown of the way Exim works, let me know. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 00:49:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA15551 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:49:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA15548 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:49:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25073 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:49:20 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA55mvNL016379 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:48:57 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 188wa3-0005mY-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:48:51 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 188wZt-0002vK-00 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 00:48:41 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Staying connected Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:48:39 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <3DC3D6D8.2020301@earthlink.net> <20021102163725.GB19516@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20021102163725.GB19516@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e766844eb1546c4a2613ff6291ab867a622350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Now that I can properly send mails, I can reply! > You should be able to run dhcpcd to keep your connection alive. That's > what it's for. > > Paul And thus my confusion: apparently dhcpcd had release critical bugs and wasn't included in Debian's woody distro...but it was in the "testing" (aka sarge) part, so I stole it from there, and we're okay now. I had used it before and couldn't figure out what happened to it. I don't think dhclient is there in woody, either. But, my IP address seems to have settled down, too, actually. We'll see how dhcpcd behaves if the lease ever expires. I'm sure it'll be fine... Thanks! Russell - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9x1u3AqKGrvVshJQRAlozAJ9fPxD2CjxqEtZSaNmNm0LLjG04LACeK54K Q42I9rMdd+7MuwKHGifcRzA= =ZY9e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 00:55:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA15607 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:55:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA15604 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:55:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25159 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:55:20 -0500 Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA55t0NL016753 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:55:01 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 188wfv-0007VW-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:54:55 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 188wfk-00036D-00 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 00:54:44 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Staying connected Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:54:40 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <3DC3D6D8.2020301@earthlink.net> <20021102163725.GB19516@quillandmouse.com> <200211040958.52262.icblenke@nks.net> In-Reply-To: <200211040958.52262.icblenke@nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e768b81b5cf5fa2a94f9d7f17f0674236ac350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > There are three major players when it comes to DHCP clients: > > 1) dhclient > 2) pump > 3) dhcpcd > > From experience, I prefer dhclient. It always works, and has no problems > with multiple interfaces. Painless, simple, I can't recommend it enough. > Also, remember that every DHCP client has a daemon piece that listens for > leases and requests renewals during the lease cycle to keep the existing > lease. THERE MUST BE ONLY ONE DHCP DAEMON RUNNING AT A TIME. If you have > more than one, you may see the symptoms you are experiencing (lack of > renewal, no lease at all, etc). Make sure that you only have one "pump", > "dhclient", or "dhcpcd" process running on your system at any given time. > > Hope this helps. I appreciate this information. I'll keep it handy. Debian takes care of the multiple DHCP daemons...I had pump installed (knowing it was a temporary fix), and when I installed dhcpcd (via apt-get), it removed pump, etherconf, and a couple of other packages, too. I love low maintainance! (In a related note: I'm glad to see that Debian is finally working on easy installation.) Russell - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9x10gAqKGrvVshJQRAj80AKDFJBxUjIk2RRIzh3CvBkomR8LHXQCguvQb TzC6VZUUmnQPu3+BuIkH++c= =zYE1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 01:07:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA15710 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:07:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA15707 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:07:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25288 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:07:50 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA567WNL017467 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:07:32 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 188ws2-0006zR-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 22:07:26 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 188wrr-0003S8-00 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 01:07:15 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Exim Config Help? Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:07:12 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20021105054616.GA599@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20021105054616.GA599@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e76abbd63343e50a6fcc09c0b7ede5a07de350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I appreciate this! If only the Exim folk could write manpages/docs that were as helpful as this, I'd be done in no time. I mentioned in an email just before (with another title) that I simply added my username and real email address to the /etc/email-addresses file, like this: rusty: rhires@earthlink.net Then it fixed all the headers and such. Having my own address at my own computer sounds attractive, but I'm thinking that if verizon won't send mail via smtp, it certainly won't act as a mail exchanger...but I don't understand enough about all that, anyway... Now that I've got something that works, I'll play with these settings and see what happens.... Russell > > Hmm. Headers are a little confusing, particularly with all the http > links in them. Are you sending this via webmail or something? > > Anyway, I just finished thrashing Exim about yet again, so I'd be > interested in seeing your exim.conf. I've got the O'Reilly Exim book, > which is fairly useful. > > If you only can't send to the SLUG list, it really sounds more like a > problem with NKS's reverse lookups than an Exim problem. Do you host > your village-smurf domain in your house, and if so, whose nameserver > points to it? I _just_ finished solving this exact problem. Check that > the qualify_domain setting in your exim.conf has the domain you're > subscribed under for the SLUG list. It must be a reverse-lookupable > name, or NKS will silently drop the mail. You might also want to set > your qualify_recipient setting is for your local machine, so that local > unqualified addresses on your machine actually stay local, and aren't > passed to your remote SMTP server. > > Also, here are a couple of tips you can use to see if exim will handle > your addresses properly. I use these whenever I change anything. I test > for local addresses, LAN addresses and internet addresses. > > To test addresses, issue the following: > > /usr/sbin/exim -bt -v -d2 your.address > > It will tell you what the ultimate disposition of the piece will be, > according to how it decodes addresses. > > I also have a "loop address" on the internet, not with my ISP, to which > I send test mail. It resends mail back to me, so I know the > local-internet-SMTP-internet-local connection works okay. > > If you want to watch the actual dialog between your machine and the > smarthost you're sending mail to, do this: > > /usr/sbin/exim -oi -oem -v -d2 -- some.address < testmail > > where testmail is a text file you want to send. Note that the -d2 > parameter can be changed to a higher number (up to 9) and will > consequently become more verbose; it's a debug parameter. > > If you need a broad breakdown of the way Exim works, let me know. > > Paul - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9x2AQAqKGrvVshJQRAiYAAKCeHgqkawTFSRQLHVHSdlYOec9SlgCfebSx 3/5ArTH+k22yL0M3o6LgSu0= =9W5P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 01:19:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA15790 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:19:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA15787 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:19:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25390 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:19:19 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA56IcNL018081 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:18:38 -0500 Received: (qmail 73222 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2002 06:16:56 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2002 06:16:56 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 188x2P-0000IR-00 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 01:18:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:18:05 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Exim Config Help? Message-ID: <20021105061805.GA1123@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20021105054616.GA599@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 01:07:12AM -0500, Russell Hires wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I appreciate this! If only the Exim folk could write manpages/docs that were > as helpful as this, I'd be done in no time. I mentioned in an email just > before (with another title) that I simply added my username and real email > address to the /etc/email-addresses file, like this: > rusty: rhires@earthlink.net > Then it fixed all the headers and such. Having my own address at my own > computer sounds attractive, but I'm thinking that if verizon won't send mail > via smtp, it certainly won't act as a mail exchanger...but I don't understand > enough about all that, anyway... > > Now that I've got something that works, I'll play with these settings and see > what happens.... > > Russell (You're up too late, my friend ;-) I'm still fuzzy about your connection. Tell me if this is right: 1. You're using Verizon DSL for access. 2. You're using earthlink's SMTP to send mail. 3. Verizon won't pass the SMTP connection packets on to Earthlink's SMTP server. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 01:24:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA15839 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:24:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA15836 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:24:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25441 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:24:40 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA56NtNL018372 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:23:55 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 188x7u-0000GH-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 22:23:50 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 188x7j-0003vU-00 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 01:23:39 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Gradebook Project, Part II Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:23:37 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e767102ddb268fe73aad04f96324fd60c3c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Okay...now I've gotten some basic difficulties out of the way...I can proceed with the Gradebook. I've posted a web page giving a basic description of what's going on with the project, and the things I need to know to really go far with it. If you wish, you can view it at http://www.village-smurf.com/GradeBook Please note that the URL is case sensitive. Zope isn't perfect... ;-) but it does some cool stuff. I posted a second version of the DB schema as well, at http://www.village-smurf.com/GradeBook/schema_v2 Comments/Questions are welcome. Russell - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9x2PqAqKGrvVshJQRAm8iAKDFP+vXPjWhmS0TO2hBYiefiOzXHwCg4Crc Op66agkAjovz8e6bOnYsp0U= =BwgO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 01:32:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA15923 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:32:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA15920 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:32:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25526 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:32:49 -0500 Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA56WYNL018857 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:32:34 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 188xGG-00027P-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 22:32:28 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 188xG5-0004Ae-00 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 01:32:17 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Exim Config Help? Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 01:32:16 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20021105054616.GA599@quillandmouse.com> <20021105061805.GA1123@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20021105061805.GA1123@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e765558c80d0c3769539d9d7903af31c007350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > (You're up too late, my friend ;-) > > I'm still fuzzy about your connection. Tell me if this is right: > > 1. You're using Verizon DSL for access. Right. > 2. You're using earthlink's SMTP to send mail. Yes. > 3. Verizon won't pass the SMTP connection packets on to Earthlink's SMTP > server. This is correct. I figured a way around this one, though, with the help of Earthlink's tech support. (Shameless plug for them, BTW, as they all seem to know Linux, and were able to assist me without flinching when I told them I use kmail...) They told me I could use smtpauth.earthlink.net along with my username (my full email address) and password. I used Mozilla to send email over the last few days, since it has an easy way to set up using smtp, with a username/password combo. I don't particularly like using Mozilla, since I don't know if it encrypts my username/password. Exim does though...and earthlink's smtpauth server can handle it, too. Kmail doesn't have a spot for inserting user/pass the way Mozilla does. ah well.... Russell > > Paul - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9x2XwAqKGrvVshJQRAnqwAJ961GecgvthbCxwHIDtHjiiEcqiCwCgqCwt 0TW+XpRFGpta9daF2waKJmw= =MaEo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 09:05:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA19723 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:05:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA19715 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:05:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30265 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:05:21 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA5E4pNL012205 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:04:51 -0500 Received: (qmail 12694 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2002 14:04:46 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2002 14:04:46 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 08:04:42 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] Classic X window system Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:04:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3DC7440E.3070403@tampabay.rr.com> Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug During the RH 8.0 install we are given the choice between X window system or Classic X windows system. Does anyone know the difference? Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the Walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep,,to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 09:42:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA20041 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:42:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA20033 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:42:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30596 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:42:10 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA5EfuNL014240 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:41:56 -0500 Received: (qmail 3513 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2002 14:41:51 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2002 14:41:51 -0000 Received: from mikerock ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 08:41:49 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Classic X window system Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:41:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Got my answer on Google,, sorry for the bother, Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the Walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep,,to gain what they cannot lose" -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Mikes work account Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:04 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Classic X window system During the RH 8.0 install we are given the choice between X window system or Classic X windows system. Does anyone know the difference? Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the Walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep,,to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 09:47:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA20084 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:47:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA20081 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:47:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30640 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:47:40 -0500 Received: from bish.net (dsl-65-185-19-209.telocity.com [65.185.19.209]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA5ElBNL014526 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:47:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bish.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA08345 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:41:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:41:47 -0500 (EST) From: Mark To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Streaming Media Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug What are some formats for streaming media? MPEG-3 MPEG-4 There was a guy at the Sarasota meeting who said he was working on another type and I for the life of me can't remember which one it was. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | | 813-253-2197 | Network Engineer | | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 10:14:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA20385 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:14:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA20382 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:14:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30942 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:14:20 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA5FDqNL016066 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:13:53 -0500 Received: (qmail 13654 invoked by uid 508); 5 Nov 2002 15:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.148.96) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 5 Nov 2002 15:13:29 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=jcopenha) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 1895OA-00055a-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 10:13:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:13:10 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Streaming Media In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug You might have been thinking of me.. I'm working with MPEG-2.. It's whats used in Digital Cable Jason On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Mark wrote: > > What are some formats for streaming media? > > MPEG-3 > MPEG-4 > > There was a guy at the Sarasota meeting who said he was working on another > type and I for the life of me can't remember which one it was. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | > | 813-253-2197 | Network Engineer | > | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | > > > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 10:56:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA20777 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:56:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA20774 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:56:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31382 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:56:20 -0500 Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA5FuCNL018512 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:56:12 -0500 Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA5FXbw13132 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:33:37 -0500 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.156]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA5Fu7f32312 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:56:07 -0500 Received: from evelle.rdu.redhat.com (evelle.rdu.redhat.com [172.16.54.9]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA5Fu6T22059 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:56:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] GNOME vs. KDE From: "Martin C. Messer" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1036443585.15872.27.camel@two.nks.net> References: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> <1036173095.1217.19.camel@linux> <1036169928.855.17.camel@two.nks.net> <1036216025.1335.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1036443585.15872.27.camel@two.nks.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 05 Nov 2002 10:56:06 -0500 Message-Id: <1036511767.1343.20.camel@evelle.rdu.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Oh my, this is rich. Hope you don't mind Derek, but this bit of wordsmithmanship is already making the rounds here internally... On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 15:59, Derek Glidden wrote: > On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 00:47, Jim Lange wrote: > > On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 11:58, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > > > ;) > > > > > > You should hear my rant about GNOME vs. KDE Development Strategy.... > > > > > > > I'd like to hear your rant. > > heh... ok. > > Warning to readers: this is mildly offensive however it's not obscene, > for most values of "obscene." On a flame-o-riffic scale of one to ten, > it rates about a seventy-three. > > "here's the whole skinny once and for all on my opinions of KDE and > GNOME developers. When I compare the two, here's what I imagine: > > KDE development - A big room somewhere in Europe with lots of chrome and > glass and a great big whiteboard in the front with lots of tiny, neat > writing on it. There are about 50 desks, each with headphones and > pristine workstations, also with a lot of chrome and glass. The faint > sound of classical music permeates the room, accompanying the > clicky-click of 50 programmers typing or quietly talking in one of the > appropriately assigned meeting areas. (Which of course consist of > elegant contemporary white pine coffee tables surrounded by contemporary > white pine and leather meeting chairs.) Coffee, tea, mineral water and > fruit juices are available in the break area. At the end of the day, > *everyone* checks in their code and the project leader does a "make" > just to make sure it all compiles cleanly, but it's mostly only done > from tradition anymore since it always compiles cleanly and works > flawlessly. When all milestones have been met, and everything has been > QA'd, (usually within a day or two of the roadmap that was written up 18 > months previous) a new KDE release is packaged up and released to the > mirror sites with the appropriate 24-hour delay for distribution before > being announced. KDE developers are generally between the ages of 16 > and 25, like art made of lines and squares and the colors white and > black. They generally haven't served their mandatory 5 years of military > service as required by their government, during which service there is a > high likelihood their years of cultural dullness will crack and they > will flee Europe to become terrorists for the sheer joy to be found in > killing random strangers for no discernable reason. When/if they > finally finish military/graduate uni and get real jobs, most of their > salary will be taken in taxes so the socialist government can subsidise > the care and feeding of the next generation of KDE developers, just like > it did for them. > > GNOME development - An abandoned warehouse in San Francisco, kitted up > as for a rave, electronica playing at about 5db louder than "my ears are > bleeding and I'm developing an aneurism" volumes and the windows all > painted over black so that the strobe and spotlights and lasers can be > seen better. Computers, mainly made of whatever stuff has been > exchanged for crack or scavenged from dumpsters behind dot-bombs, are > scattered around on whatever furniture is available, which also consists > of whatever stuff has been exchanged for crack or scavenged from > dumpsters behind dot-bombs. There's no break area, but you may be able > to bum a beer (or more likely something harder) off of someone else > hanging around, and they'd probably be too jacked up on X, coke, acid, > heroin, ether or all of the above to notice you. Core GNOME developers > are heavy Ketamine users. Development strategies are usually determined > by whatever light show happens to be going on at the moment, when one of > the developers will leap up and scream "I WANT IT TO LOOK JUST LIKE > THAT" and then straightarm his laptop against the wall in an > hallucinogenic frenzy before vomiting copiously, passing out and falling > face-down in the middle of the dance floor. There's no whiteboard, so > developers will diagram things out in the puddles of spilt beer, urine > and vomit on the floor. At the end of the day - whenever that is since > an equal number of the programmers can be found passed out at any given > time - or really whenever someone happens to think of it (which is > rarely), someone might type "make" on some machine somewhere, with mixed > results. Generally nothing happens, so he/she shrugs his/her shoulders > and wanders off to look for someone who might have more > pink/black-striped pills. Once in a great while, generally in the > unpleasant time between the come-down from the last thing they took and > before whatever it was they took just now comes on fully, someone will > tar up a bunch of random files and post it on a website someplace it as > the next GNOME release, usually with a reference to some kind of > monkey. GNOME developers rarely live past 25, prefer "alternative" art > - generally stuff made of feces that's "too edgy" for most people to > "understand" or "like" - and their bodies can often be found in > dumpsters or floating face-down in any sufficiently large body of > water." > > FWIW - I think KDE is great but for some bizarre reason I primarily use > GNOME as my desktop. > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map > {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; > $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) > [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join > "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= > unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d > >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* > 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} > print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ > | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - > > http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ > http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ > -- Martin C. Messer | marty@redhat.com Red Hat, Inc. | Information Systems & Technologies 1801 Varsity Drive | 919-754-3700 x44148 Raleigh, NC 27606 | 919-931-9815 (mobile) From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 11:26:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA21073 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:26:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA21070 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:26:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31726 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:26:10 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA5GPrNL020250 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:25:53 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (653245hfc109.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.45.109]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA5GPmS8009228 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:25:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] GNOME vs. KDE From: tina gasperson To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1036443585.15872.27.camel@two.nks.net> References: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> <1036173095.1217.19.camel@linux> <1036169928.855.17.camel@two.nks.net> <1036216025.1335.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1036443585.15872.27.camel@two.nks.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 05 Nov 2002 12:26:54 -0500 Message-Id: <1036517214.942.47.camel@linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Is this posted online somewhere? I want to link to it on NewsForge. On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 15:59, Derek Glidden wrote: > On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 00:47, Jim Lange wrote: > > On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 11:58, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > > > ;) > > > > > > You should hear my rant about GNOME vs. KDE Development Strategy.... From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 11:37:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA21181 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:37:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA21178 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:37:51 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31861 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:37:51 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11298 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:37:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] GNOME vs. KDE From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1036511767.1343.20.camel@evelle.rdu.redhat.com> References: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> <1036173095.1217.19.camel@linux> <1036169928.855.17.camel@two.nks.net> <1036216025.1335.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1036443585.15872.27.camel@two.nks.net> <1036511767.1343.20.camel@evelle.rdu.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 05 Nov 2002 11:37:51 -0500 Message-Id: <1036514271.24773.5.camel@two.nks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 10:56, Martin C. Messer wrote: > Oh my, this is rich. Hope you don't mind Derek, but this bit of > wordsmithmanship is already making the rounds here internally... not at all. only, I can't quite decide if I WANT my name to stay attached to it... ;) > Martin C. Messer | marty@redhat.com > Red Hat, Inc. | Information Systems & Technologies > 1801 Varsity Drive | 919-754-3700 x44148 > Raleigh, NC 27606 | 919-931-9815 (mobile) oh? you guys hiring writers? ;) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 11:39:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA21195 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:39:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA21192 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:39:28 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31872 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:39:28 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11346 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:39:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] GNOME vs. KDE From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1036517214.942.47.camel@linux> References: <1036167673.702.5.camel@two.nks.net> <1036173095.1217.19.camel@linux> <1036169928.855.17.camel@two.nks.net> <1036216025.1335.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1036443585.15872.27.camel@two.nks.net> <1036517214.942.47.camel@linux> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 05 Nov 2002 11:39:28 -0500 Message-Id: <1036514368.24773.8.camel@two.nks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 12:26, tina gasperson wrote: > Is this posted online somewhere? I want to link to it on NewsForge. No, but I could put it up on my website somewhere I suppose. It'd give me a chance to fix the mixed tenses too. (Whenever I got B's on my English papers, it was because of mixed tenses...) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 12:23:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA21625 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:23:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA21622 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:23:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32402 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:23:50 -0500 Received: from pop016.verizon.net (pop016pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.173]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA5HNJNL023595 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:23:19 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar10-4-47-097-095 ([4.47.97.95]) by pop016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021105172313.YRAE1630.pop016.verizon.net@tamqfl1-ar10-4-47-097-095> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:23:13 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Staying connected Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:25:37 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <3DC3D6D8.2020301@earthlink.net> <20021102163725.GB19516@quillandmouse.com> <200211040958.52262.icblenke@nks.net> In-Reply-To: <200211040958.52262.icblenke@nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211051225.37432.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop016.verizon.net from [4.47.97.95] at Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:23:13 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks for the info on this, Ian. I was having continual problems with dhcpcd at the beginning of every day. Removed it and installed dhclient and no problems now. Smitty > > There are three major players when it comes to DHCP clients: > > 1) dhclient > 2) pump > 3) dhcpcd > > From experience, I prefer dhclient. It always works, and has no problems > with multiple interfaces. Painless, simple, I can't recommend it enough. > > Pump has a nasty tendency to get seriously confused when there is more than > one network interface on a box. Once upon a time, I used pump. Now I know > better. RedHat derived boxen tend to use it by default (why, I ask?) > > As for dhcpcd, I've had varying problems with it as well the few times I've > attempted to use it. Whereas pump will generally get a lease regardless on > a single-homed box, dhcpcd tends to be finicky about obtaining a lease at > all. Because of these experiences, I don't recommend it., but many others > seem to have no problems. > > Also, remember that every DHCP client has a daemon piece that listens for > leases and requests renewals during the lease cycle to keep the existing > lease. THERE MUST BE ONLY ONE DHCP DAEMON RUNNING AT A TIME. If you have > more than one, you may see the symptoms you are experiencing (lack of > renewal, no lease at all, etc). Make sure that you only have one "pump", > "dhclient", or "dhcpcd" process running on your system at any given time. > > Hope this helps. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 13:30:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA22225 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:30:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA22222 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:30:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00691 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:30:10 -0500 From: jlange1@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA5ITuNL027386 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:29:57 -0500 Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA5ITpCB022254 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:29:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200211051829.gA5ITpCB022254@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] GNOME vs. KDE Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:29:51 US/Eastern X-Posting-IP: 65.32.71.191 X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.2.9 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Is this posted online somewhere? I want to link to it on NewsForge. > > On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 15:59, Derek Glidden wrote: > > On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 00:47, Jim Lange wrote: > > > On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 11:58, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > > > > > ;) > > > > > > > > You should hear my rant about GNOME vs. KDE Development Strategy.... > > Derek, Thank you for taking the time to respond. Pretty cool! I see it made newsforge! Jim From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 16:25:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA23669 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:25:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA23666 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:25:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02496 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:25:20 -0500 Received: from web10406.mail.yahoo.com (web10406.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.98]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA5LOfNL004712 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:24:42 -0500 Message-ID: <20021105212435.72865.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.13.110.222] by web10406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:24:35 PST Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:24:35 -0800 (PST) From: casey fraites Subject: [SLUG] red hat 7.3 To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I took your advice thank you all for your help I will be atending a slug meeting soon i when out and purchased red hat linux for dummies it came with redhat 7.3 bundled with it and I am very pleased with it i have installed on a old P2 with 64m of pc 1oo and it runs like a champ!! I have decided to run KDE and i like the interface my question is where do i find some linux downloads for antivirus search engine etc. any linux sight that just pertain to linux downloads thanks for your help Casey --- Mikes work account wrote: > Easy now , Casey, > > Take it one question at a time but try to read some > of the volumes of > documentation first,,just so you know the questions > to ask. > > These guys and girls on this list are plenty > knowledgeable but for the most > part they want you to make an effort as well. They > will not spoon feed > you,,, and they just love to get a good laugh at > your expense if they can. > Don't take it personally,, one day you will be one > of them and acting the > same way. > > Michael C. Rock > Systems Analyst > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > "The time has come the Walrus said to speak of many > things,,," > "Christians give up what they cannot keep,,to gain > what they cannot lose" > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net > [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of casey > fraites > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 2:08 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question > > > GEe that is how you are going to be I should > leave you guys alone > --- "Patrick Grantham (at work)" > > wrote: > > I wonder what is his definition of advanced?! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "sanity" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] A beginners question > > > > > > > --- casey fraites wrote: > > > > career in IT I guess you can say I want the > > basic > > > > Knowledge of linux to install run trouble > > shoot > > > > network and run and operate a server from a > > linux box > > > > > > lol... yeah... I guess "basic" is the word for > > that. > > > > > > Or not. > > > > > > --j > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 17:10:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA24168 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:10:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA24165 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:10:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03060 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:10:01 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535240hfc119.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.240.119]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA5M9nNL007453 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:09:49 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A9EA5F41 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:13:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:06:33 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] red hat 7.3 Message-Id: <20021105170633.6e0fdbaf.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <20021105212435.72865.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021105212435.72865.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > my question is where do i find some linux downloads > for antivirus search engine etc. > any linux sight that just pertain to linux downloads > thanks for your help Try http://freshmeat.net and http://sourceforge.net . From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 18:27:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA24846 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:27:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA24834 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:27:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03891 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:27:10 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA5NQRNL011861 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:26:28 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (653272hfc63.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.72.63]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA5NQM7Z026248 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:26:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] On-Line Masters Degree Programs? From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 05 Nov 2002 18:25:17 -0500 Message-Id: <1036538717.1215.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi All Well, I finally decided to get a masters degree to further my skill set. But I cannot settle on a college yet. I've looked at Univ of Phoenix, but the masters programs there are focused on management. I am looking for a technical degree. Anyone else in the group gotten a technical masters degree from an on-line university? Was it a good experience? Regards Russ W From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 18:44:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA24983 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:44:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA24980 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:44:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04041 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:44:20 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA5NiDNL012870 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:44:13 -0500 Received: (qmail 97699 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2002 23:42:52 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2002 23:42:52 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 189DMY-0001IF-00 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 18:44:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:43:58 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Exim Config Help? Message-ID: <20021105234358.GD1123@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20021105054616.GA599@quillandmouse.com> <20021105061805.GA1123@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 01:32:16AM -0500, Russell Hires wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > (You're up too late, my friend ;-) > > > > I'm still fuzzy about your connection. Tell me if this is right: > > > > 1. You're using Verizon DSL for access. > Right. > > 2. You're using earthlink's SMTP to send mail. > Yes. > > 3. Verizon won't pass the SMTP connection packets on to Earthlink's SMTP > > server. > This is correct. I figured a way around this one, though, with the help of > Earthlink's tech support. (Shameless plug for them, BTW, as they all seem to > know Linux, and were able to assist me without flinching when I told them I > use kmail...) They told me I could use smtpauth.earthlink.net along with my > username (my full email address) and password. This really sounds weird. See, if Verizon won't pass the port 25 packets, they shouldn't do it with SMTPAUTH packets either. Just doesn't make sense. I wonder if you couldn't send mail before because you have to do a POP3 with Earthlink before you send mail. Most ISPs I know of do this. They want you to POP3 your inbound mail, and they'll hold the SMTP connection open for 15 minutes or so after that, to allow you to send mail. Of course, SMTPAUTH is superior to this scheme, so I suppose it's okay. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 19:28:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA26534 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:28:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA26531 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:28:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04871 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:28:00 -0500 Received: from pop016.verizon.net (pop016pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.173]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA60RbNL016080 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:27:38 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar10-4-47-099-232 ([4.47.99.232]) by pop016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021106002732.CXHS1630.pop016.verizon.net@tamqfl1-ar10-4-47-099-232> for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:27:32 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] On-Line Masters Degree Programs? Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:30:55 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <1036538717.1215.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1036538717.1215.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211051930.55840.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop016.verizon.net from [4.47.99.232] at Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:27:32 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 05 November 2002 18:25, you wrote: > Hi All > > Well, I finally decided to get a masters degree to further my skill > set. But I cannot settle on a college yet. I've looked at Univ of > Phoenix, but the masters programs there are focused on management. I am > looking for a technical degree. Phoenix is very microsoft oriented. You need a microsoft client thingy to do the online courses and -- U of P is Very expensive. You are better off attending a small private or public college. > > Anyone else in the group gotten a technical masters degree from an > on-line university? Was it a good experience? > > Regards > Russ W From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 21:46:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA27566 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:46:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA27563 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:46:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06114 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:46:50 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([198.176.253.2]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA62kNNL023648 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:46:23 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <4BR1M3QA>; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:45:27 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A8CF@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Sending Mail...works for now Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:45:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > -----Original Message----- > From: steve [mailto:steve@itcom.net] > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 06:06 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending Mail...works for now > > > Hehe, yes! This is soo true! When they say "..need windows.." I say > sure no problem! (At least most of the time. I've found how to get > to the local RR support people, who calls Unix a real O/S, on the > phone.) When I had RR installed, I had heard all of the horror stories about the installers, so happens that the guy that came out was running LINUX, boy was I happy. He told me I had lucked out, but was most glad to help, since the other installers are automatons working to get out of installer hell. I would like to know your contact inside RR so I would not have to deal with the idiot shield that you have to go through, and usually give up in disgust trying to deal with. I still am looking forward to getting DSL in Palm River, it HAS to be better than TW Cable... ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. 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Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 22:05:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA27711 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:05:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA27703 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:05:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06276 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:05:50 -0500 Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA635aNL024668 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:05:36 -0500 Received: from dialup-65.59.82.181.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([65.59.82.181] helo=earthlink.net) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 189GVV-0002E9-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:05:30 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC886FB.1070808@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 22:05:31 -0500 From: Mark Polhamus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] red hat 7.3 References: <20021105212435.72865.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Frisk Software International makes the F-prot virus scanner that runs under Linux, it is free for personal use: http://www.f-prot.com/download/index.html The package includes an updater script. I believe both Windows and Linux malware is in it's "virus" definition list. -- Mark Polhamus casey fraites wrote: > I took your advice thank you all for your help I > will be atending a slug meeting soon i when out and > purchased red hat linux for dummies it came with > redhat 7.3 bundled with it and I am very pleased with > it i have installed on a old P2 with 64m of pc 1oo > and it runs like a champ!! I have decided to run KDE > and i like the interface > my question is where do i find some linux downloads > for antivirus search engine etc. > any linux sight that just pertain to linux downloads > thanks for your help > Casey >... From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 22:13:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA27764 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:13:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA27761 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:13:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06356 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:13:10 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA63CbNL025078 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:12:38 -0500 Received: from 24161248hfc108.tampabay.rr.com ([24.161.248.108] helo=thor.sanders.lan) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 189GcJ-0007U5-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:12:31 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Larry Sanders To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] logrotate using CPU time Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:11:11 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <20021105212435.72865.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021105212435.72865.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211052211.11893.rhatman@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 614c3855217255fdc15e89ea043e8aa89ef193a6bfc3dd48f466fd35c5d02b195ca7ab6f1ba23d8cf0dc0b2615eb44cc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id WAA27762 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Here is partial results of the command 'ps -aux' There are two sets of processes starting with CROND notice the cpu time of the logrotate process. They keep running till I reboot the system. What is happening? What can check/do to? root 5270 0.0 0.2 1560 568 ? S Nov04 0:00 CROND root 5272 0.0 0.3 1944 756 ? S Nov04 0:00 /bin/bash /usr/bin/run-parts /etc/cron.daily root 5432 0.0 0.4 3212 792 ? S Nov04 0:00 /usr/sbin/sendmail -FCronDaemon -i -odi -oem root root 5435 0.0 0.4 3200 792 ? S Nov04 0:00 /usr/sbin/postdrop -r root 5442 0.0 0.3 1936 716 ? S Nov04 0:00 /bin/sh /etc/cron.daily/logrotate root 5443 0.0 0.2 1736 484 ? S Nov04 0:00 awk -v progname=/etc/cron.daily/logrotate prognam root 5444 47.6 13.6 78440 26180 ? R Nov04 1203:12 /usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf root 10294 0.0 0.2 1556 564 ? S 04:02 0:00 CROND root 10296 0.0 0.3 1944 756 ? S 04:02 0:00 /bin/bash /usr/bin/run-parts /etc/cron.daily root 10456 0.0 0.3 1936 716 ? S 04:02 0:00 /bin/sh /etc/cron.daily/logrotate root 10457 0.0 0.2 1736 484 ? S 04:02 0:00 awk -v progname=/etc/cron.daily/logrotate prognam root 10458 36.8 20.9 59800 40044 ? R 04:02 399:39 /usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 5 22:29:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA27912 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:29:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA27905 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:29:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06511 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:29:42 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA63T9NL026016 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 22:29:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 2636 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2002 03:27:51 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 2002 03:27:51 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 189Gs2-00020S-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 22:28:46 -0500 To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, linux-announce@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: From: "Paul M. Foster" Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 22:28:46 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* BRANDON ************************************************** 7 November 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 13 November 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd Lakepointe I Building Tampa, FL 33607 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#tampa for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 20 November 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Wednesday of each month) Baker Electronics 8323 Lindbergh Court Sarasota, FL See http://www.bish.net/directions/ DUNEDIN ************************************************** 23 November 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library, 223 Douglas Ave., Community Room A. Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 5 December 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 00:17:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA28738 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:17:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA28733 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:17:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07488 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:17:10 -0500 Received: from web12004.mail.yahoo.com (web12004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.212]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA65GoNL031980 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 00:16:50 -0500 Message-ID: <20021106051644.25208.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.63.169.123] by web12004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 21:16:44 PST Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:16:44 -0800 (PST) From: SOHC VTEC Subject: Re: [SLUG] red hat 7.3 To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3DC886FB.1070808@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug casey fraites wrote: > I took your advice thank you all for your help I > will be atending a slug meeting soon i when out and > purchased red hat linux for dummies it came with > redhat 7.3 bundled with it and I am very pleased with > it i have installed on a old P2 with 64m of pc 1oo > and it runs like a champ!! I have decided to run KDE > and i like the interface > my question is where do i find some linux downloads > for antivirus search engine etc. > any linux sight that just pertain to linux downloads > thanks for your help > Casey Casey, Google has a really good feature for searching for only linux related content on the web. www.google.com/linux __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 01:02:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA29142 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:02:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA29134 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:02:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08012 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:02:20 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA6625NL002166 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:02:06 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.104] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA661xCB022523 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:02:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] New to the group From: Matthew To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <20021106051644.25208.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021106051644.25208.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 06 Nov 2002 01:01:17 -0500 Message-Id: <1036562479.32723.7.camel@slacker> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hello everyone, I just wanted to mail a little hello letter as I'm new here. I'd say I'm about at user level with Linux, I know my way around but I'm no expert so I'm hoping to gain some knowledge and some new friends from SLUG. I'm looking forward to going to the Brandon meeting on Thursday =) Matt From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 01:15:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA29244 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:15:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA29233 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:15:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08131 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:15:50 -0500 From: bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA66FANL002869 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:15:10 -0500 Received: from myduron (653266hfc186.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.66.186]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA66F4CB025041 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:15:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000c01c2855b$ed2f1880$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> To: References: <20021106051644.25208.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> <1036562479.32723.7.camel@slacker> Subject: Re: [SLUG] New to the group Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:15:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug We will look forward to seeing you at the Brandon Meeting. Also for anyone going to the Brandon Meeting this Week do not forget that Norb has a good presentation planned. As well we will be having a Swap Meet. Hope to see you all there. Thanks Bill Preece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "SLUG" Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 1:01 AM Subject: [SLUG] New to the group > Hello everyone, I just wanted to mail a little hello letter as I'm new > here. I'd say I'm about at user level with Linux, I know my way around > but I'm no expert so I'm hoping to gain some knowledge and some new > friends from SLUG. I'm looking forward to going to the Brandon meeting > on Thursday =) > > Matt > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 01:22:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA29309 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:22:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA29298 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:22:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08203 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:22:22 -0500 From: bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA66M9NL003281 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:22:10 -0500 Received: from myduron (653266hfc186.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.66.186]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA66M4S8007300 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:22:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001801c2855c$e74d8d60$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> To: Subject: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 01:22:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Folks do not forget that Norb will be doing a presentation as well as we will have a Swap meet. This means time to get those ole parts out and time to get rid of them. So if your Girlfriend / Wife,... is giving you a hard time to clean out the ole garage then now is the time. This will also mean that you can possibly find some weird and unusual parts as well. So break out that old 486, early Pentium, Ram, Hard Drives, Video Cards, Modems etc.,, This should be a great meeting and not to mention you can also make space for the Holiday goodies ...lol Don't forget the time we start 8:00pm at the Brandon Barnes and Nobles Book Store. Pass the word to friends family etc., Hope to see you there. Bill Preece From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 08:47:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA00787 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:47:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA00784 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:47:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12939 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:47:41 -0500 Received: from web11405.mail.yahoo.com (web11405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.235]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA6DlINL028959 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:47:18 -0500 Message-ID: <20021106134713.78672.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.33.49.251] by web11405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 05:47:13 PST Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 05:47:13 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: Re: [SLUG] New to the group To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1036562479.32723.7.camel@slacker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi Matt ! Welcome to SLUG.. I am sure you will find plenty of both friends and knowledge that you seek. You will find a wealth of people who are ready willing and able to help with questions.. and plenty of things you can get involved in.. Enjoy ! Mark.. --- Matthew wrote: > Hello everyone, I just wanted to mail a little hello > letter as I'm new > here. I'd say I'm about at user level with Linux, I > know my way around > but I'm no expert so I'm hoping to gain some > knowledge and some new > friends from SLUG. I'm looking forward to going to > the Brandon meeting > on Thursday =) > > Matt > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 09:07:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA00952 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:07:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA00948 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:07:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13151 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:07:21 -0500 Received: from suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (129.1.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.1.129]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA6E6sNL030071 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:06:54 -0500 Received: from patrick (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66] (may be forged)) by suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id gA6E16x30885 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:01:07 -0500 Message-ID: <01b101c2859d$8fa83380$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham \(at work\)" To: References: <001801c2855c$e74d8d60$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:05:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Is this a presentation of samba and registering an NT box on the domain managed by a samba PDC? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 1:22 AM Subject: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. > Folks do not forget that Norb will be doing a presentation as well as we > will have a Swap meet. > This means time to get those ole parts out and time to get rid of them. So > if your Girlfriend / Wife,... is giving you a hard time to clean out the ole > garage then now is the time. > > This will also mean that you can possibly find some weird and unusual parts > as well. So break out that old 486, early Pentium, Ram, Hard Drives, Video > Cards, Modems etc.,, This should be a great meeting and not to mention > you can also make space for the Holiday goodies ...lol > > Don't forget the time we start 8:00pm at the Brandon Barnes and Nobles Book > Store. > > Pass the word to friends family etc., > > Hope to see you there. > Bill Preece > > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 11:52:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA02584 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:52:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA02581 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:52:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15138 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:52:42 -0500 Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA6GqSNL007422 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:52:28 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar10-4-47-097-085 ([4.47.97.85]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021106165222.NAGR2867.out002.verizon.net@tamqfl1-ar10-4-47-097-085> for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:52:22 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] New to the group Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:55:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20021106051644.25208.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> <1036562479.32723.7.camel@slacker> <000c01c2855b$ed2f1880$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <000c01c2855b$ed2f1880$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211061155.46347.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out002.verizon.net from [4.47.97.85] at Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:52:22 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wednesday 06 November 2002 01:15, you wrote: > We will look forward to seeing you at the Brandon Meeting. > Also for anyone going to the Brandon Meeting this Week do not forget that > Norb has a good presentation planned. As well we will be having a Swap > Meet. Just make sure you have enough Swap Space! Smitty > > Hope to see you all there. > Thanks > Bill Preece > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 12:31:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA02880 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:31:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA02877 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:31:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15548 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:31:22 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA6HVANL009633 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:31:11 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA6IYTdQ014654 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:34:29 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA6IYS7S014652; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:34:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 199.222.4.138 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:34:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <54816.199.222.4.138.1036607668.squirrel@_default_> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:34:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] red hat 7.3 To: In-Reply-To: <20021106051644.25208.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3DC886FB.1070808@earthlink.net> <20021106051644.25208.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have my server running R.H 8.0 in a computer with the same specifications you do. I am really pleased with the effiency. I would recommend to you to update to rh 8.0 if you can. Diego > casey fraites wrote: > > I took your advice thank you all for your > help I > > will be atending a slug meeting soon i when > > out and > > purchased red hat linux for dummies it came > with > > redhat 7.3 bundled with it and I am very > pleased with > > it i have installed on a old P2 with 64m of > pc 1oo > > and it runs like a champ!! I have decided to > run KDE > > and i like the interface > > my question is where do i find some linux > downloads > > for antivirus search engine etc. > > any linux sight that just pertain to linux > downloads > > thanks for your help > > Casey > > > Casey, > > Google has a really good feature for searching > for only linux related content on the web. > > www.google.com/linux > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 12:33:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA02900 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:33:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA02897 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:33:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15573 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:33:52 -0500 From: bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA6HXJNL009757 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:33:19 -0500 Received: from myduron (653266hfc186.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.66.186]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA6HXDCB011419 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:33:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006a01c285ba$a9cd23c0$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> To: References: <001801c2855c$e74d8d60$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <01b101c2859d$8fa83380$4401a8c0@patrick> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:33:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug No it's not on anything like that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Grantham (at work)" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. > Is this a presentation of samba and registering an NT box on the domain > managed by a samba PDC? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 1:22 AM > Subject: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. > > > > Folks do not forget that Norb will be doing a presentation as well as we > > will have a Swap meet. > > This means time to get those ole parts out and time to get rid of them. > So > > if your Girlfriend / Wife,... is giving you a hard time to clean out the > ole > > garage then now is the time. > > > > This will also mean that you can possibly find some weird and unusual > parts > > as well. So break out that old 486, early Pentium, Ram, Hard Drives, Video > > Cards, Modems etc.,, This should be a great meeting and not to mention > > you can also make space for the Holiday goodies ...lol > > > > Don't forget the time we start 8:00pm at the Brandon Barnes and Nobles > Book > > Store. > > > > Pass the word to friends family etc., > > > > Hope to see you there. > > Bill Preece > > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 12:48:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA03021 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:48:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA03018 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:48:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15745 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:48:12 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA6HlgNL010601 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:47:43 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA02326 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 12:46:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c285bb$a8620590$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: <001801c2855c$e74d8d60$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <01b101c2859d$8fa83380$4401a8c0@patrick> <006a01c285ba$a9cd23c0$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 12:40:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug how would one go about getting a slug meeting in Saint Petersburg? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. > No it's not on anything like that. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick Grantham (at work)" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:05 AM > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. > > > > Is this a presentation of samba and registering an NT box on the domain > > managed by a samba PDC? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 1:22 AM > > Subject: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. > > > > > > > Folks do not forget that Norb will be doing a presentation as well as we > > > will have a Swap meet. > > > This means time to get those ole parts out and time to get rid of them. > > So > > > if your Girlfriend / Wife,... is giving you a hard time to clean out the > > ole > > > garage then now is the time. > > > > > > This will also mean that you can possibly find some weird and unusual > > parts > > > as well. So break out that old 486, early Pentium, Ram, Hard Drives, > Video > > > Cards, Modems etc.,, This should be a great meeting and not to > mention > > > you can also make space for the Holiday goodies ...lol > > > > > > Don't forget the time we start 8:00pm at the Brandon Barnes and Nobles > > Book > > > Store. > > > > > > Pass the word to friends family etc., > > > > > > Hope to see you there. > > > Bill Preece > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 13:40:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA03478 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:40:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA03475 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:40:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16312 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:40:02 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA6IdfNL013587 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:39:42 -0500 Received: from brak.autoinstall.net (653254hfc51.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.54.51]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA6Ida7Z017199 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (cyclone [10.0.0.42]) by brak.autoinstall.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA6Idao18354 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:39:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3DC9633C.9020705@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:45:16 -0500 From: Scott Glenn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] logrotate using CPU time References: <20021105212435.72865.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> <200211052211.11893.rhatman@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <20021105212435.72865.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Let me guess that your distribution is Red Hat 7.3. You probably have the bug at the link below. According to the comments this is a "configuration" bug but I suspect logrotate is actually broken. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=75364 Larry Sanders wrote: >Here is partial results of the command 'ps -aux' >There are two sets of processes starting with CROND >notice the cpu time of the logrotate process. >They keep running till I reboot the system. >What is happening? What can check/do to? > >root 5270 0.0 0.2 1560 568 ? S Nov04 0:00 CROND >root 5272 0.0 0.3 1944 756 ? S Nov04 0:00 /bin/bash >/usr/bin/run-parts /etc/cron.daily >root 5432 0.0 0.4 3212 792 ? S Nov04 0:00 >/usr/sbin/sendmail -FCronDaemon -i -odi -oem root >root 5435 0.0 0.4 3200 792 ? S Nov04 0:00 >/usr/sbin/postdrop -r >root 5442 0.0 0.3 1936 716 ? S Nov04 0:00 /bin/sh >/etc/cron.daily/logrotate >root 5443 0.0 0.2 1736 484 ? S Nov04 0:00 awk -v >progname=/etc/cron.daily/logrotate prognam >root 5444 47.6 13.6 78440 26180 ? R Nov04 1203:12 >/usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf > >root 10294 0.0 0.2 1556 564 ? S 04:02 0:00 CROND >root 10296 0.0 0.3 1944 756 ? S 04:02 0:00 /bin/bash >/usr/bin/run-parts /etc/cron.daily >root 10456 0.0 0.3 1936 716 ? S 04:02 0:00 /bin/sh >/etc/cron.daily/logrotate >root 10457 0.0 0.2 1736 484 ? S 04:02 0:00 awk -v >progname=/etc/cron.daily/logrotate prognam >root 10458 36.8 20.9 59800 40044 ? R 04:02 399:39 >/usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 14:29:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA03872 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:29:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA03869 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:29:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16860 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:29:22 -0500 Received: from web11403.mail.yahoo.com (web11403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.233]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA6JSxDb016481 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:28:59 -0500 Message-ID: <20021106192853.33386.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.33.49.251] by web11403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:28:53 PST Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:28:53 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: [SLUG] RR connection script. To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1036443585.15872.27.camel@two.nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have a friend at work that is new to linux.. and he as Road Runner at home. If memory servers.. there is a script that he can get to connect with RR.. Does anyone on the list have this mythical script and info about it.. THanks Mark.. *sigh*... going back to dial up hell......... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 14:32:42 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA03910 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:32:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA03907 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:32:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16916 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:32:42 -0500 Received: from web11407.mail.yahoo.com (web11407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.237]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA6JWIDb016841 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:32:19 -0500 Message-ID: <20021106193213.50594.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.33.49.251] by web11407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:32:13 PST Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:32:13 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: [SLUG] RR connection script. To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1036443585.15872.27.camel@two.nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have a friend at work that is new to linux.. and he as Road Runner at home. If memory servers.. there is a script that he can get to connect with RR.. Does anyone on the list have this mythical script and info about it.. THanks Mark.. *sigh*... going back to dial up hell......... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 14:45:47 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA04005 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:45:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA04000 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:45:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17019 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:45:46 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA6Jg7fI017737 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:42:07 -0500 Received: from spocksbrain (653227hfc159.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.27.159]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA6JfmCC017246 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:42:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeff Barriault" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] RR connection script. Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:42:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021106192853.33386.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug It's no longer needed. RR removed their log on. All you need to do is set your internet connection to obtain it's IP address automatically via DHCP. Very simple, very easy. -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Mark Banschbach Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 2:29 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] RR connection script. I have a friend at work that is new to linux.. and he as Road Runner at home. If memory servers.. there is a script that he can get to connect with RR.. Does anyone on the list have this mythical script and info about it.. THanks Mark.. *sigh*... going back to dial up hell......... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 15:28:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA04332 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:28:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA04236 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:28:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17251 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:28:03 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-20.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.20] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA6Jq7YU018335 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:52:07 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.20]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA10389 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:51:11 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA06902 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:51:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] RR connection script. From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <20021106193213.50594.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021106193213.50594.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-v3ZRlaL0wt3BlB8UlxYG" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 06 Nov 2002 14:51:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1036612271.31963.5.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-v3ZRlaL0wt3BlB8UlxYG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 14:32, Mark Banschbach wrote: > I have a friend at work that is new to linux.. and > he as Road Runner at home. If memory servers.. there > is a script that he can get to connect with RR..=20 Road Runner no longer requires any script to connect. Any dhcp client will work. --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 --=-v3ZRlaL0wt3BlB8UlxYG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9yXKvIomZUAi8ewYRAmruAJ49X/5TgQgsjNsQo0bH9zpLBHqHiwCcCDUk aFVntvmKuq07pqcQVMEz9iA= =uws+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-v3ZRlaL0wt3BlB8UlxYG-- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 15:45:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA04730 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:45:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA04716 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:45:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17744 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:45:48 -0500 From: corey@serviceweb.net Received: from cosmos.serviceweb.net (cosmos.serviceweb.net [209.94.121.24]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA6KjP26022896 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:45:26 -0500 Received: (qmail 29075 invoked by uid 99); 6 Nov 2002 20:45:16 -0000 Received: from 129.42.208.182 ( [129.42.208.182]) as user corey@serviceweb.net@serviceweb.net by mail.serviceweb.net with HTTP; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:45:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1036615516.3dc97f5cde2c1@mail.serviceweb.net> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:45:16 -0500 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: Re: [SLUG] On-Line Masters Degree Programs? References: <1036538717.1215.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200211051930.55840.a.smitty@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200211051930.55840.a.smitty@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 129.42.208.182 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I was part of the U o P MS in CIS program for a little while. It's a rough way to try and get a degree. The courses fly by (6 weeks per class) and it is expensive (over $1500/class). I stopped going because of the time/price and the fact my rentention level was just slightly over zilch. I would also like to find a better online program. Are there any offered in the Tampa area? Hope this helps, Corey Quoting Smitty : > On Tuesday 05 November 2002 18:25, you wrote: > > Hi All > > > > Well, I finally decided to get a masters degree to further my skill > > set. But I cannot settle on a college yet. I've looked at Univ of > > Phoenix, but the masters programs there are focused on management. I am > > looking for a technical degree. > > Phoenix is very microsoft oriented. You need a microsoft client thingy to do > > the online courses and -- U of P is Very expensive. You are better off > attending a small private or public college. > > > > Anyone else in the group gotten a technical masters degree from an > > on-line university? Was it a good experience? > > > > Regards > > Russ W > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 15:48:48 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA04753 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:48:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA04750 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:48:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17780 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:48:48 -0500 From: corey@serviceweb.net Received: from cosmos.serviceweb.net (cosmos.serviceweb.net [209.94.121.24]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA6KmU26023062 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:48:30 -0500 Received: (qmail 29117 invoked by uid 99); 6 Nov 2002 20:48:22 -0000 Received: from 129.42.208.182 ( [129.42.208.182]) as user corey@serviceweb.net@serviceweb.net by mail.serviceweb.net with HTTP; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:48:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1036615702.3dc98016668e2@mail.serviceweb.net> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:48:22 -0500 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: RE: [SLUG] RR connection script. References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 129.42.208.182 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Exactly. I have roadrunner here in NY (I'm moving to Tampa in two weeks and will have rr down there too). Currently my setup comes into the cable modem and then to my linksys router/wireless AP. All I do is request an IP from the dhcp server built into my router and it's all good. Quoting Jeff Barriault : > It's no longer needed. RR removed their log on. All you need to do is set > your internet connection to obtain it's IP address automatically via DHCP. > Very simple, very easy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Mark > Banschbach > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 2:29 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] RR connection script. > > > I have a friend at work that is new to linux.. and > he as Road Runner at home. If memory servers.. there > is a script that he can get to connect with RR.. > > Does anyone on the list have this mythical script > and info about it.. > > THanks > Mark.. > > *sigh*... going back to dial up hell......... > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 15:51:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA04788 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:51:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA04785 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:51:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17811 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:51:08 -0500 From: corey@serviceweb.net Received: from cosmos.serviceweb.net (cosmos.serviceweb.net [209.94.121.24]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA6Kol26023192 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:50:47 -0500 Received: (qmail 29135 invoked by uid 99); 6 Nov 2002 20:50:39 -0000 Received: from 129.42.208.182 ( [129.42.208.182]) as user corey@serviceweb.net@serviceweb.net by mail.serviceweb.net with HTTP; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:50:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1036615839.3dc9809f0c391@mail.serviceweb.net> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:50:39 -0500 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: Re: [SLUG] New to the group References: <20021106134713.78672.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021106134713.78672.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 129.42.208.182 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi, I too wanted to introduce myself. I will be moving to Tampa from NY in two weeks and I can't wait to meet more fellow penguin worshippers. :-) I have been using linux since '96 and feel rather competent in it's musings. I hope to be able to add to the group and learn from others. See you when I reach the sunshine! Corey Quoting Mark Banschbach : > Hi Matt ! > > Welcome to SLUG.. I am sure you will find plenty of > both friends and knowledge that you seek. You will > find a wealth of people who are ready willing and able > to help with questions.. and plenty of things you can > get involved in.. Enjoy ! > > Mark.. > > > --- Matthew wrote: > > Hello everyone, I just wanted to mail a little hello > > letter as I'm new > > here. I'd say I'm about at user level with Linux, I > > know my way around > > but I'm no expert so I'm hoping to gain some > > knowledge and some new > > friends from SLUG. I'm looking forward to going to > > the Brandon meeting > > on Thursday =) > > > > Matt > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 15:59:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA04874 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:59:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA04871 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:59:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17897 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:59:28 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-20.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.20] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA6Kx626023648 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:59:07 -0500 Received: from rufus.mptotalcare.com (rufus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.21]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA10835 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:58:22 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by rufus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA19514 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:58:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rufus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dumb Mail Question From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <20021101064039.GA11485@quillandmouse.com> References: <20021101064039.GA11485@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-MflLF9DhgGBUc2gAEpWY" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 06 Nov 2002 15:58:22 -0500 Message-Id: <1036616302.31963.19.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-MflLF9DhgGBUc2gAEpWY Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 01:40, Paul M Foster wrote: > This is going to be a really dumb mail question, I'm sure. >=20 > Say I have two machines on a network, alfa and bravo. Both are running > sendmail/exim/postfix. Both know the existence of the other machine > (hosts file). If I send mail from alfa to paulf@bravo, will the MTA on > bravo pick it up and route it to the proper mailbox? In other words, > will email sent out on the LAN wire to a specific machine be snagged by > the MTA on that machine? This could be useful for having, say, syslogs > periodically emailed to another machine on the LAN. Most MTA's have an option to set what names/domains for which it will accept local mail. In other words, I could configure alfa to accept mail for bravo if I wish, but by default it won't. If paul@alfa sends mail to paul@bravo, and host alfa knows how to get to host bravo, mail should move between hosts without any additional configuration.=20 In sendmail, you have the "local-host-names" file. In exim, the exim.conf file has a line labeled "local_domains =3D". Both of these serve the same functions -- to define what host names the host will accept local mail for. To go even further, sendmail has the optional mailertable, in which you can specify what host to send mail to depending on the host/domain suffix. HTH --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 --=-MflLF9DhgGBUc2gAEpWY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9yYJuIomZUAi8ewYRAhbuAJ0TAUyVLZgYd4bxm6dv+zCeUHkH3ACdEN+D 1Myl9CJ2Y0wIDky4nD8cAII= =UpXp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-MflLF9DhgGBUc2gAEpWY-- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 16:29:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA05325 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:29:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA05322 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:29:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18261 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:29:38 -0500 Received: from ns.tbi.net ([209.141.252.3]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA6LRn26025403 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:27:50 -0500 Received: from poor-soul (mail.jpow.net [207.204.243.149]) by ns.tbi.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA6LRhc06123 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:27:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <200211061627430651.026B726A@mail.tbi.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 16:27:43 -0500 From: "Brother Joseph" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Formating a 1.44 floppy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have read three Unix/Linux books each three (3) inches thick looking for information about how to format a 1.44 floppy disk and what I want to know seems to be a well kept secret. It seems I want to format a 1.44 floppy disk for use with ext2, ffs and ext3 file systems among others. I also want to do this from the command line; no GUI's please. The DOS format has the nasty habit of limiting the file names to the 8+3 character name and in some cases transposing upper case letters for lower case letters. I have been advised that I may have to use fdisk but no one was kind enough to include the necessary commands. The man page for fdisk ( programmers manual page) is written in the usual manner of man pages, (beyond my ability to comprehend) so it is not too much help to me. Can anyone explain how to format a 1.44 floppy disk using a Unix and or Linux file system and how to do this explained in plain English? Thanks for your help in advance. Joe ...for friendships that are gained by money, not by greatness and nobility of spirit, may well be earned but cannot be kept; and in time of need, they will have fled your purse. Niccolo Machiavelli From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 16:38:48 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA05435 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:38:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA05432 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:38:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18441 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:38:48 -0500 Received: from ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (mail.kingwoodcable.net [24.206.159.247]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA6Lcd26026080 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:38:39 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id 138DF3500F2 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:37:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from micro.hef (h65-222-109-126.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.109.126]) by ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A06C235007B for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:37:45 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 21200 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2002 20:53:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iotcorp.com) (192.168.5.5) by 192.168.5.1 with SMTP; 6 Nov 2002 20:53:50 -0000 Message-ID: <3DC945E6.9010905@iotcorp.com> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:40:06 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan Organization: Integrated Object Technologies Corp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Formating a 1.44 floppy References: <200211061627430651.026B726A@mail.tbi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Can anyone explain how to format a 1.44 floppy disk using a Unix and or > Linux file system and how to do this explained in plain English? Have you tried: mke2fs /dev/fd0 --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 16:53:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA05574 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:53:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA05571 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:53:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18595 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:53:08 -0500 Received: from ns.tbi.net ([209.141.252.3]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA6Lql26026889 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:52:47 -0500 Received: from poor-soul (mail.jpow.net [207.204.243.149]) by ns.tbi.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA6Lqfc07788 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:52:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <200211061652430307.02825472@mail.tbi.net> In-Reply-To: <3DC945E6.9010905@iotcorp.com> References: <200211061627430651.026B726A@mail.tbi.net> <3DC945E6.9010905@iotcorp.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 16:52:43 -0500 From: "Brother Joseph" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Formating a 1.44 floppy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks, I'll try it and let you know if I have any luck. Joe *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 11/6/2002 at 11:40 AM Ronan Heffernan wrote: >> Can anyone explain how to format a 1.44 floppy disk using a Unix and or >> Linux file system and how to do this explained in plain English? > >Have you tried: > mke2fs /dev/fd0 > >--ronan ...for friendships that are gained by money, not by greatness and nobility of spirit, may well be earned but cannot be kept; and in time of need, they will have fled your purse. Niccolo Machiavelli From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 17:29:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA05999 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:29:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA05996 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:29:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19064 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:29:28 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA6MT926029053 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:29:09 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.104] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA6MT3S8002999 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:29:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Formating a 1.44 floppy From: Matthew To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200211061627430651.026B726A@mail.tbi.net> References: <200211061627430651.026B726A@mail.tbi.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 06 Nov 2002 17:28:16 -0500 Message-Id: <1036621698.3896.5.camel@slacker> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug In SuSE I use fdformat, a quick run through the man page for it should get you on your way From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 17:44:48 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA06189 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:44:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA06186 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:44:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19278 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:44:48 -0500 Received: from suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (129.1.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.1.129]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA6Mi026029938 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:44:00 -0500 Received: from patrick (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66] (may be forged)) by suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id gA6Mc3x00610 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:38:03 -0500 Message-ID: <036801c285e5$bbf759f0$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham \(at work\)" To: Subject: [SLUG] is this norb? Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:42:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I am looking a guitar tuner written for Linux at: http://norbert.home.cern.ch/norbert/LinuxTuner.html Is this the "norb" from this list? A system requirement is "Qt" Does this imply QuickTime? Patrick From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 18:19:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA06562 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:19:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA06559 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:19:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19744 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:19:24 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA6NIa26032065 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:18:41 -0500 Received: (qmail 35274 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2002 23:16:59 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 2002 23:16:59 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 189ZQr-0006Es-00 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 18:17:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:17:53 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. Message-ID: <20021106231753.GC20591@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <001801c2855c$e74d8d60$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <01b101c2859d$8fa83380$4401a8c0@patrick> <006a01c285ba$a9cd23c0$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <000f01c285bb$a8620590$7d0aa8c0@washpat> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000f01c285bb$a8620590$7d0aa8c0@washpat> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:40:54PM -0500, Aaron Steimle wrote: > how would one go about getting a slug meeting in Saint Petersburg? Begging helps, but money paid to the officers is what _really_ gets things going! ;-} Seriously, the only thing stopping St Pete meetings is someone to reliably run them. Naturally, you need a place to meet, but it's more important to have someone stable there who's willing to show up and run things month after month. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 18:31:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA06675 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:31:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA06668 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:31:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19873 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:30:59 -0500 From: corey@serviceweb.net Received: from cosmos.serviceweb.net (cosmos.serviceweb.net [209.94.121.24]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA6NUj26032759 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:30:45 -0500 Received: (qmail 29504 invoked by uid 99); 6 Nov 2002 23:30:36 -0000 Received: from 24.169.140.158 ( [24.169.140.158]) as user corey@serviceweb.net@serviceweb.net by mail.serviceweb.net with HTTP; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:30:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1036625436.3dc9a61c5cca4@mail.serviceweb.net> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:30:36 -0500 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: Re: [SLUG] is this norb? References: <036801c285e5$bbf759f0$4401a8c0@patrick> In-Reply-To: <036801c285e5$bbf759f0$4401a8c0@patrick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 24.169.140.158 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Patrick, Looks like a cool little program. The Qt requirement is the Qt library from trolltech and is the basis for many GUI programs, most notably the KDE desktop. Hope this helps, Corey Quoting "Patrick Grantham \\(at work\\)" : > I am looking a guitar tuner written for Linux at: > http://norbert.home.cern.ch/norbert/LinuxTuner.html > > Is this the "norb" from this list? > > A system requirement is "Qt" Does this imply QuickTime? > > Patrick > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 18:31:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA06676 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:31:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA06672 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:31:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19875 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:31:00 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA6NUZ26032750 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:30:35 -0500 Received: (qmail 7860 invoked by uid 508); 6 Nov 2002 23:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.148.96) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 6 Nov 2002 23:30:28 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=jcopenha) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 189ZcV-0005cX-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 18:29:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:29:59 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] is this norb? In-Reply-To: <036801c285e5$bbf759f0$4401a8c0@patrick> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The Qt is the Qt library from TrollTech.. The same libs that KDE is built on. Any recent distro should come with it. And I very much doubt that the Norb that wrote this is the same norb on this list .. seeings as how the adress is from .ch =) Jason On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Patrick Grantham (at work) wrote: > I am looking a guitar tuner written for Linux at: > http://norbert.home.cern.ch/norbert/LinuxTuner.html > > Is this the "norb" from this list? > > A system requirement is "Qt" Does this imply QuickTime? > > Patrick > > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 18:45:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA06871 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:45:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA06868 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:45:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20053 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:45:34 -0500 Received: from glennmeyer.com (1010500158.inter-linc.com [12.10.105.158] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA6Nid26001115 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:44:39 -0500 Received: from glennmeyer.com ([192.168.0.10]) by glennmeyer.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA6NiNu12556 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 17:44:23 -0600 Message-ID: <3DC9A957.8080904@glennmeyer.com> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 17:44:23 -0600 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] is this norb? References: <036801c285e5$bbf759f0$4401a8c0@patrick> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Pat, I am concerned about author of this particular app. Take a look at the graphic. His guitar has an "H" string! Patrick Grantham (at work) wrote: >I am looking a guitar tuner written for Linux at: >http://norbert.home.cern.ch/norbert/LinuxTuner.html > >Is this the "norb" from this list? > >A system requirement is "Qt" Does this imply QuickTime? > >Patrick > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 19:02:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA07007 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:02:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA07004 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:02:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20211 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:02:29 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA702E26002135 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:02:15 -0500 Received: from cfl.rr.com (98.203.27.24.cfl.rr.com [24.27.203.98]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA7028S8001786 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:02:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DC9AC40.9040109@cfl.rr.com> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 18:56:48 -0500 From: Vernon Singleton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020513 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] earth images References: <3DBF452D.7030106@cfl.rr.com> <1035946525.1337.67.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug With respect to the never ending quest to find the highest resolution, mercator projected, cloudless image of the earth that is freely available for download, and reasonably zoomable using open source software ... We finally got permission from NASA to download ftp://visibleearth.nasa.gov/pub/EARTHVIZ/land_shallow_topo_west.tif ftp://visibleearth.nasa.gov/pub/EARTHVIZ/land_shallow_topo_east.tif which are 251,842,464 bytes and 420,262,104 bytes respectively. Neither of them are viewable using gqview on my system, which has only 1/2 Gig of RAM:) Even for tifs that do load using gqview ... its zooming capablility is not very good. So ... if I had more RAM would the problem go away? Does someone else want to try? What open source viewer should I try next? Vernon Singleton Tried to set "Wrap plain text messages at 500 characters" under "Message Composition" in Moz mail -- still wrapped this line at what? ... about 70 characters? ... any ideas? From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 19:05:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA07043 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:05:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA07031 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:05:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20254 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:05:40 -0500 Received: from ipop1 (ipop1.tm.net.my [202.188.0.245]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA705926002297 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:05:09 -0500 Received: from deoxyribonuclei.streamyX.com ([219.93.212.55]) by ipop1.tm.net.my (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H56003B9IVZE3@ipop1.tm.net.my> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 08:04:47 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 08:09:54 +0800 From: TheExploited Subject: [SLUG] Hi New here. X-Sender: chinvi@streamyX.com@pop.tm.net.my To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021107080652.00a8a1f0@pop.tm.net.my> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey there, My name's victor and i'm new to SLUG.I can't attend any meeting though coz i'm from asia:( .I'm 18 yrs old and quite new to the *nix environment. Can i ask you guys whether should i reformat my box and install slackware or RH8.0 . I'm using RH7.2 now though . Not too happy with it though. It's not well organized and all.For example , you find your programme files everywhere scattered all around.And i hate it when i have to update my software and delete the old files. Regards Victor From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 19:49:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA07435 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:49:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA07432 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:49:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20769 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:49:19 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA70n726004829 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:49:07 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.104] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA70n11c000731 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:49:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hi New here. From: Matthew To: SLUG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 06 Nov 2002 19:48:14 -0500 Message-Id: <1036630096.3896.142.camel@slacker> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey Victor, I'd say if you are new to Linux stick with RH or maybe even Mandrake. I started with Slackware and it was a bit rough as it's pretty much install and you are on your own as where RH/Mandrake setup X and other typically used apps in install. If you don't know the specs of your monitor or the terminology used in the config of X it can be very frustrating. My adventures with Slackware were hard at first but panned out to be very rewarding in the end - It was the first Distro that got me in to Linux and I still use it on one of my machines here today. Once you get comfortable with Linux you can move on to different distros that don't do as much setup for you, leaving you to do it yourself and learn more. Good luck in your Linux adventures =) On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 19:09, TheExploited wrote: Hey there, My name's victor and i'm new to SLUG.I can't attend any meeting though coz i'm from asia:( .I'm 18 yrs old and quite new to the *nix environment. Can i ask you guys whether should i reformat my box and install slackware or RH8.0 . I'm using RH7.2 now though . Not too happy with it though. It's not well organized and all.For example , you find your programme files everywhere scattered all around.And i hate it when i have to update my software and delete the old files. Regards Victor From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 20:31:04 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA07808 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:31:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA07805 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:31:04 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21161; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:30:32 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA01646; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:30:32 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net, Mark Subject: Re: [SLUG] Streaming Media Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:30:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211062030.31840.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id UAA07806 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 05 November 2002 05:41, Mark wrote: > What are some formats for streaming media? > > MPEG-3 > MPEG-4 There is no MPEG-3. There is MPEG-1 "layer 3", which is often referred to as .MP3 (or erroneously as MPEG-3). - Ian From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 22:01:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA08529 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:01:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA08526 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:01:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22043 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:01:19 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA730j26012153 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:00:46 -0500 Received: (qmail 38873 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2002 02:59:32 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2002 02:59:32 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 189cuJ-0006Kt-00 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:00:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:00:24 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Incremental Backups To CDs Message-ID: <20021107030024.GE20591@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug In my wife's (Windows) CD burning software, she typically backs up a set of directories to a CD. Later, she'll select only those files which have changed within that hierarchy, and back those up to that same CD newly. When looking at the CD, you see all the files except the old versions of the files she backed up more recently. For those files, you see only the new versions. I've set up a CD burning machine at home running mkisofs and cdrecord under Linux. Can we achieve the same result under this software as she does with her Windows software? Paul From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 22:25:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA08712 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:25:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA08709 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:24:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22286 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:24:59 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA73Oh26013498 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:24:43 -0500 Received: (qmail 39259 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2002 03:23:24 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2002 03:23:24 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 189dHN-0006Xf-00 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:24:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:24:20 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hi New here. Message-ID: <20021107032420.GC25043@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021107080652.00a8a1f0@pop.tm.net.my> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021107080652.00a8a1f0@pop.tm.net.my> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 08:09:54AM +0800, TheExploited wrote: > Hey there, > My name's victor and i'm new to SLUG.I can't attend any meeting > though coz i'm from asia:( .I'm 18 yrs old and quite new to the *nix > environment. Can i ask you guys whether should i reformat my box and > install slackware or RH8.0 . I'm using RH7.2 now though . Not too happy > with it though. It's not well organized and all.For example , you find your > programme files everywhere scattered all around.And i hate it when i have > to update my software and delete the old files. > Regards > Victor "Scattered all around"? They should typically be in either /bin /usr/bin /sbin or /usr/sbin. The distinction of which goes where is covered in the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) at www.pathname.com. You may also put your own scripts and programs in the /usr/local/bin directory, which should be empty after a fresh install. Updating is an inexact science in the Linux world. Some distros do it well, and others don't. It has recently been suggested that the commercial distros are or will be moving to "subscription" services for updates, something Red Hat already has. I've not upgraded Red Hat this way, so I don't know how well it works. But ideally, you should simply have to tell it to update, without deleting anything. Slackware is for Real Men (tm). Not to denigrate anyone's testosterone level, but it's not really a distro for newbies. For a variety of reasons. Red Hat is satisfactory for newbies, and works well for gurus as well. Mandrake is probably considered the simplest distro (the easiest to use, if you're from a Windows background). The *nix environment will take some getting used to, if you're from a different environment. Give it time. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 22:35:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA08807 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:35:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA08796 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:35:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22392 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:35:39 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA73ZX26014100 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:35:33 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (117-68.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.68.117]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA73ZRS8028550; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:35:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DC9DF7D.5070605@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 03:35:25 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Incremental Backups To CDs References: <20021107030024.GE20591@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Paul M Foster wrote: Does she use a CD-RW or a CD-R? If she is using a CD-RW and is using the UFD (I think) file system,, where the CD-RW must be formatted, we (LINUX programmers) seem to feel it isn't ready for prime time. If she is using a CD-R, I always close my disks and I don't know how things turn out if you don't. I use a combination of one 100 meg ZIP disk and rotating CD-RW's (A and B) and good old $0.1611 each (including tax) unlabeled 650 meg CD-R's to back up my confusor files. > In my wife's (Windows) CD burning software, she typically backs up a set > of directories to a CD. Later, she'll select only those files which have > changed within that hierarchy, and back those up to that same CD newly. > When looking at the CD, you see all the files except the old versions of > the files she backed up more recently. For those files, you see only the > new versions. > I've set up a CD burning machine at home running mkisofs and cdrecord > under Linux. Can we achieve the same result under this software as she > does with her Windows software? 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 23:48:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA09398 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:48:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA09395 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:48:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23054 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:48:09 -0500 From: bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA74la26018136 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:47:36 -0500 Received: from myduron (653266hfc186.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.66.186]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA74lVS8002599 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:47:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002c01c28618$dc8d9ac0$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> To: References: <3DBF452D.7030106@cfl.rr.com> <1035946525.1337.67.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <3DC9AC40.9040109@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] earth images Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:48:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug That is ridiculous sizes for pictures. Come on 1/4 to almost 1/2 gig for a single pic? For the average even professional quality images for professional photographers anything over 2 to 4 meg each is huge. For NASA they are using Clusters and Mainframes to pull these things. Next the bandwidth will take you even via cable 1/2 hour to 2 hours pending on you speed. Dial up forget the idea unless you have 14 to 18 hours. They should have versions that are jpg and if you want to print or view them. IMHO Bill Preece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vernon Singleton" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] earth images > With respect to the never ending quest to find the highest > resolution, mercator projected, cloudless image of the earth that is > freely available for download, and reasonably zoomable using open > source software ... > > We finally got permission from NASA to download > ftp://visibleearth.nasa.gov/pub/EARTHVIZ/land_shallow_topo_west.tif > ftp://visibleearth.nasa.gov/pub/EARTHVIZ/land_shallow_topo_east.tif > which are 251,842,464 bytes and 420,262,104 bytes respectively. > > Neither of them are viewable using gqview on my system, > which has only 1/2 Gig of RAM:) Even for tifs that do load using gqview > ... its zooming capablility is not very good. > > So ... if I had more RAM would the problem go away? > Does someone else want to try? > What open source viewer should I try next? > > Vernon Singleton > Tried to set "Wrap plain text messages at 500 characters" under "Message > Composition" in Moz mail -- still wrapped this line at what? ... about > 70 characters? ... any ideas? > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 6 23:57:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA09486 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:57:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA09479 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:57:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23141 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:57:09 -0500 Received: from hosting40.hispeedhosting.com (hosting40.hispeedhosting.com [66.70.4.5]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA74uo26018641 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:56:50 -0500 Received: from stan (tamqfl1-ar9-4-63-111-010.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net [4.63.111.10]) by [66.70.4.59] (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id gA74ueH21975 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:56:40 -0500 Message-ID: <004101c2861a$0adb2180$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "James Miller" To: References: <001801c2855c$e74d8d60$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <01b101c2859d$8fa83380$4401a8c0@patrick> <006a01c285ba$a9cd23c0$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <000f01c285bb$a8620590$7d0aa8c0@washpat> <20021106231753.GC20591@quillandmouse.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:56:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The St Pete Public Library (Main Branch) is always looking to have groups use their rooms. (Something about getting more money from the City if more people using them...) They have 3 meeting rooms, one of which is a fully-fitted auditorium. All you have to do is fill out a form and request the room you want. They get picky about how far ahead you can reserve the rooms, but other than that, they're easy to work with. > Seriously, the only thing stopping St Pete meetings is someone to > reliably run them. Naturally, you need a place to meet, but it's more > important to have someone stable there who's willing to show up and run > things month after month. > > Paul > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 01:25:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA10149 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:25:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA10146 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:25:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24076 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:25:39 -0500 From: gnorb@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA76PQ26023622 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:25:26 -0500 Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA76PKCB016690 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:25:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200211070625.gA76PKCB016690@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] is this norb? Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:25:20 US/Eastern X-Posting-IP: 65.32.67.93 X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.2.9 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > I am looking a guitar tuner written for Linux at: > http://norbert.home.cern.ch/norbert/LinuxTuner.html > > Is this the "norb" from this list? > > A system requirement is "Qt" Does this imply QuickTime? > > Patrick > 1) Although this seems like a cool app, and although I am a musician, sadly, I am not the same Norbert as the guy who made this app. You'll find most of my work on Linux.com and Newsforge.com - mostly articles _about_ software, as opposed me having actually writen any sufficiently useful software (say, that gives me an idea...). Or you can go to Google.com, type in my name, and get a bunch of other stuff by/on me, including (mostly) Linux stories, my affiliation with aliens, and the scandal involving the ghost of Abraham Lincoln, a cheese burrito, and an Clydesdale named "Horse." You might also find some of my entires on a Violists mailing list (By the way, Robin, when would you like to start your lessons?) 2) Info on Qt can be found here: http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/ - There's also a pretty good O'Reilly book on the subject (pink binding and has a Tucan in the front, I believe...). Gnorb From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 01:29:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA10171 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:29:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA10168 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:29:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24110 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:29:19 -0500 From: gnorb@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA76TB26023831 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:29:12 -0500 Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA76T6CB017246 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:29:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200211070629.gA76T6CB017246@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] is this norb? Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:29:06 US/Eastern X-Posting-IP: 65.32.67.93 X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.2.9 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Pat, I am concerned about author of this particular app. Take a look at > the graphic. His guitar has an "H" string! > In some music systems, "H" is actually the note "B." I remember once getting confused because of some scales I was practicing in a Carl Flesch book and when I went to do a B minor scale, it called it "H-moll." Gnorb From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 01:51:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA10389 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:51:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA10385 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:51:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24343 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:51:59 -0500 Received: from nypop.smtp.stsn.com (p98.n-nypop03.stsn.com [199.106.90.98]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA76pL26025056 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:51:21 -0500 Received: from roblimo.com ([10.150.134.228]) by nypop.smtp.stsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:54:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3DCA1B46.1030703@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 02:50:30 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] is this norb? References: <200211070625.gA76PKCB016690@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2002 06:54:32.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[8655BEF0:01C2862A] X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > >You might also find some of my >entires on a Violists mailing list (By the way, Robin, when would you like to >start your lessons?) > I don't think I'll do lessons. Right hand holds the bow, use your left fingers on the strings. Nothing to it.* - Robin *I took 10 years of parent-enforced violin lessons as a kid and got forced to practice the bleeped thing 2+ hours every day of my childhood. Now I'm 50 years old and if I want to hold the bow 1/3 of the way up and shuffle it back and forth like a West Viriginan, and lay the intrument down on my chest instead of using my chin to hold it, that's what I'm going to do. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 07:00:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA13427 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:00:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA13419 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:00:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27849 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:00:40 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7C0R26010732 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:00:28 -0500 Received: from spocksbrain (653227hfc159.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.27.159]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA7C09S9015620 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:00:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeff Barriault" To: Subject: [SLUG] HELP: Samba Problems Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:00:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Greetings Samba Experts, Here is a clip from one of my Samba log files. Can anyone tell me what may be wrong? Basically I can no longer print to any of my printers. Printing has never really worked 100%, but up until last night I was at least able to print. Now I can't print at all. Thanks, JB [2002/11/07 06:17:37, 0] rpc_client/cli_spoolss_notify.c:spoolss_connect_to_client(133) connect_to_client: machine SPOCKSBRAIN rejected the tconX on the IPC$ share. Error was : NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED. [2002/11/07 06:17:37, 0] tdb/tdbutil.c:tdb_log(492) tdb(/var/cache/samba/printing.tdb): rec_free_read bad magic 0x42424242 at offset=35108 [2002/11/07 06:17:37, 0] tdb/tdbutil.c:tdb_log(492) tdb(/var/cache/samba/printing.tdb): rec_read bad magic 0x42424242 at offset=34016 [2002/11/07 06:17:37, 0] tdb/tdbutil.c:tdb_log(492) tdb(/var/cache/samba/printing.tdb): rec_free_read bad magic 0x42424242 at offset=35108 [2002/11/07 06:17:37, 0] tdb/tdbutil.c:tdb_log(492) tdb(/var/cache/samba/printing.tdb): rec_read bad magic 0x42424242 at offset=34016 [2002/11/07 06:17:37, 0] smbd/service.c:make_connection(252) spocksbrain (192.168.0.2) couldn't find service ::{2227a280-3aea-1069-a2de-08002b30309d} [2002/11/07 06:18:30, 0] tdb/tdbutil.c:tdb_log(492) tdb(/var/cache/samba/printing.tdb): rec_free_read bad magic 0x42424242 at offset=35108 [2002/11/07 06:18:30, 0] tdb/tdbutil.c:tdb_log(492) tdb(/var/cache/samba/printing.tdb): rec_read bad magic 0x42424242 at offset=34016 [2002/11/07 06:18:30, 0] rpc_client/cli_spoolss_notify.c:spoolss_connect_to_client(133) connect_to_client: machine SPOCKSBRAIN rejected the tconX on the IPC$ share. Error was : NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED. [2002/11/07 06:18:31, 0] rpc_client/cli_spoolss_notify.c:spoolss_connect_to_client(133) connect_to_client: machine SPOCKSBRAIN rejected the tconX on the IPC$ share. Error was : NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED. [2002/11/07 06:18:31, 0] rpc_client/cli_spoolss_notify.c:spoolss_connect_to_client(133) connect_to_client: machine SPOCKSBRAIN rejected the tconX on the IPC$ share. Error was : NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED. [2002/11/07 06:18:31, 0] tdb/tdbutil.c:tdb_log(492) tdb(/var/cache/samba/printing.tdb): rec_free_read bad magic 0x42424242 at offset=35108 [2002/11/07 06:18:32, 0] tdb/tdbutil.c:tdb_log(492) tdb(/var/cache/samba/printing.tdb): rec_read bad magic 0x42424242 at offset=34016 [2002/11/07 06:18:32, 0] rpc_client/cli_spoolss_notify.c:spoolss_connect_to_client(133) connect_to_client: machine SPOCKSBRAIN rejected the tconX on the IPC$ share. Error was : NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED. [2002/11/07 06:18:36, 0] tdb/tdbutil.c:tdb_log(492) tdb(/var/cache/samba/printing.tdb): rec_free_read bad magic 0x42424242 at offset=35108 [2002/11/07 06:18:36, 0] tdb/tdbutil.c:tdb_log(492) tdb(/var/cache/samba/printing.tdb): rec_free_read bad magic 0x42424242 at offset=35108 [2002/11/07 06:18:36, 0] tdb/tdbutil.c:tdb_log(492) tdb(/var/cache/samba/printing.tdb): rec_free_read bad magic 0x42424242 at offset=35108 [2002/11/07 06:18:36, 0] tdb/tdbutil.c:tdb_log(492) tdb(/var/cache/samba/printing.tdb): rec_free_read bad magic 0x42424242 at offset=35108 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 08:22:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA14059 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:22:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA14056 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:22:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28633 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:22:50 -0500 Received: from ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (mail.kingwoodcable.net [24.206.159.247]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7DMP26015316 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:22:25 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id 49CA635007D for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:21:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from micro.hef (h65-222-109-126.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.109.126]) by ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B2096350078 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:21:39 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 22033 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2002 12:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iotcorp.com) (192.168.5.5) by 192.168.5.1 with SMTP; 7 Nov 2002 12:37:52 -0000 Message-ID: <3DCA2323.70706@iotcorp.com> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 03:24:03 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan Organization: Integrated Object Technologies Corp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] earth images References: <3DBF452D.7030106@cfl.rr.com> <1035946525.1337.67.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <3DC9AC40.9040109@cfl.rr.com> <002c01c28618$dc8d9ac0$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > That is ridiculous sizes for pictures. Come on 1/4 to almost 1/2 gig for a > single pic? > For the average even professional quality images for professional > photographers anything over > 2 to 4 meg each is huge. > > For NASA they are using Clusters and Mainframes to pull these things. Next > the bandwidth will take you even via cable 1/2 hour to 2 hours pending on > you speed. Dial up forget the idea unless you have 14 to 18 hours. > > They should have versions that are jpg and if you want to print or view > them. > I am trying to pull them down now. If anyone wants a CD-R with these two files on it, let me know and I'll try to bring some to the next Tampa or Dunedin meeting. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 08:34:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA14138 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:34:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA14135 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:34:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28734 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:34:40 -0500 Received: from mail.weberz.com ([66.179.102.102]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA7DYF26015941 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:34:15 -0500 Received: (qmail 81489 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2002 13:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sethh) (24.129.161.60) by mail.weberz.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2002 13:31:28 -0000 From: "Seth Hollen" To: Subject: [SLUG] webhosts and data centers Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:33:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01C28638.660C7C20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C28638.660C7C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A while back we had a discussion of various hosts in the area. I might need a 2 dedicated servers in the near future. I linux/freebsd the other windows doing terminal services. can anyone recommend some local places, that might be able to do this? Some members were talking about a new datacenter being built near TPA I believe? is that operational yet? Thanks! Take Care, Seth Hollen seth@opentechinc.net 727-919-1598 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0 (Build 294) Beta iQA/AwUBPcprvmd7RWIwEvp1EQIGaQCfQRkXUeP2qMS4dyJwYhxZkD8ixJ8AoK1x vBoO/Y0p3t34IwpxjYCX7drc =7QNp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C28638.660C7C20 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="PGPexch.htm.pgp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="PGPexch.htm.pgp" owGFU89rE0EUjhYvggfFS2+vAQ9CN9umtTWYH6bJagNtGs1WqafO7r5kh+zOlJnZpkUEtSehp+If 0H/Auyf/ABXEU296FkQ8KfSgvt3YoqL2sPNg3ve+931v3j7J1cbOnKq8HLzo33e8qQuHyfnTDy/n 9p/Ofn586e3Og4uP/IPv1U8fx9+Mi9z+u931V+tf7L2Dw73X3wbzz3fe7w6ejX0wua+5XK480Vxp uGsdBxbd5SXorC4stRqQt2z77kzDtptuc5SYKRRt22nnq+fOltOLLDr1ZhqXHbdOKLdjObdWW3cq +YYUBoWx3O0NzENjpe06bbeSN7hl7NDE0TXwQ6Y0mkqiLaZ9zvPHPO36slPJ30SBihmpfilf7oKz RYWij9BFtYkK6NNcCpgrTBXmirOlwnRG5LbcJadatkeRLuwjqQsrzbU0TlgWkEqqNxhAT8kYMnUb EeMCelLFzIBlEZTAnWr5BomAbuueUylW6zAMeYTgMX8AQ4SQBcAg4NpPdKZG9mCTKS4TDaHURgNR mhCBKWSFsp1yZaI6f6VvQcz7oQGBmPIWIcCA+yzVqTPXx3wCmYJeYhKFBWhBxEWyZfcUoqeDDCDp UDDkIpBDDYHkok82VcwFizIy7qM+WZHPBDCxLQWCQl/GMQrSImOESPrEREMjnklqSUMbiffIrUcz MpLaUoLrGnTTihhjL7UwREVZFg1STcyTiSGvAocQMENstD+KSNKkl/DIjLy6nTr59DDiuIk14HrU Um6ku0KTJy3baGo/Df3LjksrNNATJ9p22QChQY82eSK0iyaERRlFKI6x6bbd/h1GGx9eJ7Xkzg+5 8AsCzf/w88V5qzRdsqavlK7CHyJS8N/ONH+05Xb2p/4A ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C28638.660C7C20-- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 08:51:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA14308 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:51:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA14305 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:51:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28912 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:51:50 -0500 Received: from pop018.verizon.net (pop018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.212]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7DpM26016925 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:51:22 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-230-202.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.63.230.202]) by pop018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021107135116.SOBG1896.pop018.verizon.net@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-230-202.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:51:16 -0600 Subject: [SLUG] New to SLUG From: Vince Meiste To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 07 Nov 2002 08:51:02 -0500 Message-Id: <1036677063.1077.23.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-230-202.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop018.verizon.net from [4.63.230.202] at Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:51:15 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi Everybody, I'm new to SLUG and have been reading your posts for a week or so. I have a sort of basic question for you all. I've been working with computers since '74, as a programmer,systems programmer and for the last 10 years as a Unix System Admin (Solaris & AIX), so I'm not really a newbie. I have been playing around with Linux for the last 6 or 7 years, but it hasn't been until the last year or so that I've gotten more serious about it. I'm using Redhat 8.0 on an IBM Thinkpad T21 laptop. I have a home ethernet network set up with a hub connecting the laptop to a DSL (Verizon) modem to the Internet. I also have a desktop PC running Windows 2000 connected to the hub, and a printer connected to the PC. I would like to be able to access shared files/folders on the Windows 2000 PC and also the printer on that machine with my RH Linux system on the laptop. What's the best and easiest way to do this? I know a little about Samba, but am not an expert in it by any means. Is Samba the route to go or is there an easier way to share files and printers between my systems? Thanks everybody for your help in advance. Hopefully I'll be able to contribute some to this group in the future. Vince vince.meiste@gte.net New Port Richey, FL From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 09:03:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA14398 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:03:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA14395 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:03:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29034 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:03:10 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7E2p26017572 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:02:51 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA7F6SKt004363 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:06:28 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA7F6RhW004361; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:06:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 199.222.4.138 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:06:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <54426.199.222.4.138.1036681587.squirrel@_default_> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:06:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hi New here. To: In-Reply-To: <20021107032420.GC25043@quillandmouse.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021107080652.00a8a1f0@pop.tm.net.my> <20021107032420.GC25043@quillandmouse.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Well, my first distribution was Slackware. I was a newbie when I started using it. To me, since you want to read and learn, it is not as hard as many people say. According with your email, I will suggest you that if you are not happy with Slackware try to install another distribution till you find one that fits with your needs. If you are concerned about updating your distro, you should try Gentoo or Debian. Regards Diego > On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 08:09:54AM +0800, TheExploited wrote: > >> Hey there, >> My name's victor and i'm new to SLUG.I can't attend any >> meeting >> though coz i'm from asia:( .I'm 18 yrs old and quite new to the *nix >> environment. Can i ask you guys whether should i reformat my box and >> install slackware or RH8.0 . I'm using RH7.2 now though . Not too >> happy with it though. It's not well organized and all.For example , >> you find your programme files everywhere scattered all around.And i >> hate it when i have to update my software and delete the old files. >> Regards >> Victor > > "Scattered all around"? They should typically be in either /bin /usr/bin > /sbin or /usr/sbin. The distinction of which goes where is covered in > the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) at www.pathname.com. You may > also put your own scripts and programs in the /usr/local/bin directory, > which should be empty after a fresh install. > > Updating is an inexact science in the Linux world. Some distros do it > well, and others don't. It has recently been suggested that the > commercial distros are or will be moving to "subscription" services for > updates, something Red Hat already has. I've not upgraded Red Hat this > way, so I don't know how well it works. But ideally, you should simply > have to tell it to update, without deleting anything. > > Slackware is for Real Men (tm). Not to denigrate anyone's testosterone > level, but it's not really a distro for newbies. For a variety of > reasons. Red Hat is satisfactory for newbies, and works well for gurus > as well. Mandrake is probably considered the simplest d and quite new to the *nix >> environment. Can i ask you guys whether should i reformat my box and >> install slackware or RH8.0 . I'm using RH7.2 now though . Not too >> happy with it though. It's not well organized and all.For example , >> you find your programme files everywhere scattered all around.And i >> hate it when i have to update my software and delete the old files. >> Regards >> Victor > > "Scattered all around"? They should typically be in either /bin /usr/bin > /sbin or /usr/sbin. The distinction of which goes where is covered in > the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) at www.pathname.com. You may > also put your own scripts and programs in the /usr/local/bin directory, > which should be empty after a fresh install. > > Updating is an inexact science in the Linux world. Some distros do it > well, and others don't. It has recently been suggested that the > commercial distros are or will be moving to "subscription" services for > updates, something Red Hat already has. I've not upgraded Red Hat this > way, so I don't know how well it works. But ideally, you should simply > have to tell it to update, without deleting anything. > > Slackware is for Real Men (tm). Not to denigrate anyone's testosterone > level, but it's not really a distro for newbies. For a variety of > reasons. Red Hat is satisfactory for newbies, and works well for gurus > as well. Mandrake is probably considered the simplest distro (the > easiest to use, if you're from a Windows background). > > The *nix environment will take some getting used to, if you're from a > different environment. Give it time. > > Paul From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 09:11:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA14485 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:11:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA14482 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:11:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29125 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:11:10 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7EAu26018052 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:10:57 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA7FEXKt004413 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:14:34 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA7FEXra004411; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:14:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 199.222.4.138 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:14:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <37427.199.222.4.138.1036682073.squirrel@_default_> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:14:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] Website To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have a question about a project that I have. I am trying to design a website. I have some experience with Frontpage and DHTML. I think this knowledge is good to design a simple website. Now, I am trying to go forward and create an e-commerce website. I don't know where to start for. I want to have different users ( login password screen). Also I want to have a shopping cart and a database to manage inventories. I know that it is not easy, but I don't know from where I can start. Any suggestions or personal experiences will be more than welcome and helpful. Best of Regards Diego Henao From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 09:12:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA14517 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:12:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA14503 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:12:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29145 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:12:20 -0500 Received: from suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (129.1.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.1.129]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7EBp26018107 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:11:51 -0500 Received: from patrick (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66] (may be forged)) by suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id gA7E64x06107 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:06:04 -0500 Message-ID: <039601c28667$2d60d770$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham \(at work\)" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] webhosts and data centers Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:08:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug A major Mormon hotel chain uses the ATT NOC in Orlando. They can provide you ANY service you may need, from only power and uplink, to systems and such. Open cages, secure cages etc.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seth Hollen" To: Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:33 AM Subject: [SLUG] webhosts and data centers > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > A while back we had a discussion of various hosts in the area. > > I might need a 2 dedicated servers in the near future. I linux/freebsd > the other windows doing terminal services. > > can anyone recommend some local places, that might be able to do this? > Some members were talking about a new datacenter being built near TPA I > believe? is that operational yet? > Thanks! > > Take Care, > > Seth Hollen > seth@opentechinc.net > 727-919-1598 > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 8.0 (Build 294) Beta > > iQA/AwUBPcprvmd7RWIwEvp1EQIGaQCfQRkXUeP2qMS4dyJwYhxZkD8ixJ8AoK1x > vBoO/Y0p3t34IwpxjYCX7drc > =7QNp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 09:29:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA14663 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:29:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA14660 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:29:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29297 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:29:00 -0500 Received: from genoa ([65.242.93.163]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7ESg26019026 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:28:42 -0500 Received: from genoa (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by genoa (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA7EUmuf002769 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:30:48 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by genoa (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA7EUmgd002767; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:30:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: genoa: david set sender to dmeyer07@tampabay.rr.com using -f Subject: Re: [SLUG] webhosts and data centers From: David Meyer To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <039601c28667$2d60d770$4401a8c0@patrick> References: <039601c28667$2d60d770$4401a8c0@patrick> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 07 Nov 2002 09:30:48 -0500 Message-Id: <1036679448.2368.26.camel@genoa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Peak-10 in Tampa has a major data center near the airport. I have worked with them for years at three different facilities. Check them out...http://wwww.peak-10.com You can also email Dan Starkey (dan.starkey@peak-10.com) and he'll help you out. Dave On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 09:08, Patrick Grantham (at work) wrote: > A major Mormon hotel chain uses the ATT NOC in Orlando. They can provide > you ANY service you may need, from only power and uplink, to systems and > such. Open cages, secure cages etc.... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Seth Hollen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:33 AM > Subject: [SLUG] webhosts and data centers > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > A while back we had a discussion of various hosts in the area. > > > > I might need a 2 dedicated servers in the near future. I linux/freebsd > > the other windows doing terminal services. > > > > can anyone recommend some local places, that might be able to do this? > > Some members were talking about a new datacenter being built near TPA I > > believe? is that operational yet? > > Thanks! > > > > Take Care, > > > > Seth Hollen > > seth@opentechinc.net > > 727-919-1598 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGP 8.0 (Build 294) Beta > > > > iQA/AwUBPcprvmd7RWIwEvp1EQIGaQCfQRkXUeP2qMS4dyJwYhxZkD8ixJ8AoK1x > > vBoO/Y0p3t34IwpxjYCX7drc > > =7QNp > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 09:40:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA14762 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:40:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA14759 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:40:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29404 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:40:00 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7EdP26019629 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:39:29 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA03143 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 09:38:37 -0500 Message-ID: <006001c2866a$86b724c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: <001801c2855c$e74d8d60$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <01b101c2859d$8fa83380$4401a8c0@patrick> <006a01c285ba$a9cd23c0$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <000f01c285bb$a8620590$7d0aa8c0@washpat> <20021106231753.GC20591@quillandmouse.com> <004101c2861a$0adb2180$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:32:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I called the library and you can only use them if are a non-profit organization. Is the slug non-profit? or is the raffle money going to buy illicit copies of windows software!? If I find a place in Saint Pete to hold the meetings, will anyone show up? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. > The St Pete Public Library (Main Branch) is always looking to have groups > use their rooms. (Something about getting more money from the City if more > people using them...) They have 3 meeting rooms, one of which is a > fully-fitted auditorium. All you have to do is fill out a form and request > the room you want. They get picky about how far ahead you can reserve the > rooms, but other than that, they're easy to work with. > > > > Seriously, the only thing stopping St Pete meetings is someone to > > reliably run them. Naturally, you need a place to meet, but it's more > > important to have someone stable there who's willing to show up and run > > things month after month. > > > > Paul > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 09:50:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA14872 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:50:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA14865 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:50:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29525 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:50:20 -0500 Received: from ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (mail.kingwoodcable.net [24.206.159.247]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7Enm26020205 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:49:48 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id 9ACB435007D for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:49:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from micro.hef (h65-222-109-126.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.109.126]) by ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 25B4F350049 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:49:07 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 22160 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2002 14:05:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iotcorp.com) (192.168.5.5) by 192.168.5.1 with SMTP; 7 Nov 2002 14:05:20 -0000 Message-ID: <3DCA37A0.7080903@iotcorp.com> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 04:51:28 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan Organization: Integrated Object Technologies Corp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] New to SLUG References: <1036677063.1077.23.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-230-202.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > I would like to be able to access shared files/folders on the > Windows 2000 PC and also the printer on that machine with my RH Linux > system on the laptop. What's the best and easiest way to do this? I > know a little about Samba, but am not an expert in it by any means. Is > Samba the route to go or is there an easier way to share files and > printers between my systems? > Samba is the package that you use to make your Linux computer share its files and printers via the SMB protocol. You want the opposite, where Linux is the client and Windows is the server. You can mount a Windows share with something like: mount -t smbfs -o username=tridge,password=foobar //fjall/test /data/test There is a utility called smbspool which will let you send print jobs from Linux to a Windows-shared printer. Look at the smbspool man page for details. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 10:02:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14966 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:02:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14963 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:02:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29654 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:02:00 -0500 Received: from younicks.org (242823hfc229.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.23.229]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7F1Y26020875 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:01:34 -0500 Received: by younicks.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A1A092FD7D; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:01:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:01:25 -0500 From: Matthew Moen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] is this norb? Message-ID: <20021107150125.GA14679@scarecrow.moensrus.com> References: <200211070629.gA76T6CB017246@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200211070629.gA76T6CB017246@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-message-flag: Outlook? Viral infections & bugs for the foreseable future. X-Fortune: Its name is Public Opinion. It is held in reverence. It settles everything.Some think it is the voice of God. -- Mark Twain X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thus spake gnorb@tampabay.rr.com on the 07 day of the 11 month in the year 2002: > In some music systems, "H" is actually the note "B." I remember once getting > confused because of some scales I was practicing in a Carl Flesch book and when > I went to do a B minor scale, it called it "H-moll." Huh. That's strange. You'd expect if they were using the letter "H" it would be a replacement for "A". Perhaps someone whose last name started with H had a complex? I'm guessing there's a better musical explination for this. -- Matthew Moen From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 10:09:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA15044 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:09:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA15041 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:09:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29748 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:09:32 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7F9326021336 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:09:03 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 189oH7-0000NA-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 07:08:53 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 189oGp-0005Zc-00 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 10:08:35 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Possible St Pete meetings? Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:08:31 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <001801c2855c$e74d8d60$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <004101c2861a$0adb2180$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> <006001c2866a$86b724c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> In-Reply-To: <006001c2866a$86b724c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e765d221a0b48dc217656e50414cd580c40350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On occasion I make myself go to the Dunedin meeting since I'm not able to go to the Tampa meeting, since I work at night. How far is the St Pete library from Largo, anyway? SLUG is non-profit (or not-for-profit...you'll get this if you've been following the KDE League/Missing money story), although I don't see anything "official" about this on the SLUG website...there's an accounting of what happens with the money on the SLUG website, if you're interested. The money does pay for things, like the trip to Tampa that they guy from Linux International made...I can't remember his name, and the li.org site is down for now...meanwhile, back at the ranch...I'm all over this email. So bye for now! Russell On Thursday 07 November 2002 09:32 am, you wrote: > I called the library and you can only use them if are a non-profit > organization. > Is the slug non-profit? or is the raffle money going to buy illicit copies > of windows software!? > If I find a place in Saint Pete to hold the meetings, will anyone show up? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Miller" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:56 PM > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. > > > The St Pete Public Library (Main Branch) is always looking to have > > groups > > > use their rooms. (Something about getting more money from the City if > > more people using them...) They have 3 meeting rooms, one of which is a > > fully-fitted auditorium. All you have to do is fill out a form and > > request > > > the room you want. They get picky about how far ahead you can reserve > > the rooms, but other than that, they're easy to work with. > > > > > Seriously, the only thing stopping St Pete meetings is someone to > > > reliably run them. Naturally, you need a place to meet, but it's more > > > important to have someone stable there who's willing to show up and run > > > things month after month. > > > > > > Paul - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9yoHvAqKGrvVshJQRAudGAKDzNT567wigVKbg2kaUSTauH/j38QCg2mnB 3joOfrZP0IQaWwNfiDBwElc= =TwXK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 10:26:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA15209 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:26:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA15206 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:26:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29959 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:26:51 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7FQZ26022369 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:26:35 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.104] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA7FQT7Z023735 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:26:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] Mounting Windows shares From: Matthew To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <3DCA37A0.7080903@iotcorp.com> References: <1036677063.1077.23.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-230-202.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> <3DCA37A0.7080903@iotcorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 07 Nov 2002 10:25:35 -0500 Message-Id: <1036682736.13236.25.camel@slacker> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm trying to mount an ntfs share on a local computer and I keep getting this error: mount: special device does not exist I have read the man and I'm pretty sure I'm using the correct command (mount -t ntfs -o username=USER,password=PASS //computer/share /media/newmount) but nothing seems to work. I have tried with other shares set up with no luck :-/ I'm using SuSE 8.1 Pro and the target machine is XP Pro Anyone have any advice? From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 10:33:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA15261 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:33:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA15258 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:33:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30029 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:33:21 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7FX226022750 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:33:02 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03207 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 10:32:14 -0500 Message-ID: <009701c28672$041dc9d0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: <001801c2855c$e74d8d60$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <004101c2861a$0adb2180$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> <006001c2866a$86b724c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Possible St Pete meetings? Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:26:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I am waiting on a call back from the Saint Pete Library. The Address is: 3745 Ninth Avenue North St. Petersburg, FL 33713 mapquest link: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&address=3745+N inth+Avenue+North&city=St.+Petersburg&state=FL&zipcode=33713&homesubmit.x=59 &homesubmit.y=2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Hires" To: Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Possible St Pete meetings? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On occasion I make myself go to the Dunedin meeting since I'm not able to go > to the Tampa meeting, since I work at night. How far is the St Pete library > from Largo, anyway? > > SLUG is non-profit (or not-for-profit...you'll get this if you've been > following the KDE League/Missing money story), although I don't see anything > "official" about this on the SLUG website...there's an accounting of what > happens with the money on the SLUG website, if you're interested. > > The money does pay for things, like the trip to Tampa that they guy from > Linux International made...I can't remember his name, and the li.org site is > down for now...meanwhile, back at the ranch...I'm all over this email. > > So bye for now! > > Russell > On Thursday 07 November 2002 09:32 am, you wrote: > > I called the library and you can only use them if are a non-profit > > organization. > > Is the slug non-profit? or is the raffle money going to buy illicit copies > > of windows software!? > > If I find a place in Saint Pete to hold the meetings, will anyone show up? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. > > > > > The St Pete Public Library (Main Branch) is always looking to have > > > > groups > > > > > use their rooms. (Something about getting more money from the City if > > > more people using them...) They have 3 meeting rooms, one of which is a > > > fully-fitted auditorium. All you have to do is fill out a form and > > > > request > > > > > the room you want. They get picky about how far ahead you can reserve > > > the rooms, but other than that, they're easy to work with. > > > > > > > Seriously, the only thing stopping St Pete meetings is someone to > > > > reliably run them. Naturally, you need a place to meet, but it's more > > > > important to have someone stable there who's willing to show up and run > > > > things month after month. > > > > > > > > Paul > > - -- > Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9yoHvAqKGrvVshJQRAudGAKDzNT567wigVKbg2kaUSTauH/j38QCg2mnB > 3joOfrZP0IQaWwNfiDBwElc= > =TwXK > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 10:33:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA15271 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:33:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA15268 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:33:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30032 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:33:51 -0500 Received: from web11403.mail.yahoo.com (web11403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.233]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA7FXE26022762 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:33:14 -0500 Message-ID: <20021107153308.56914.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.33.49.251] by web11403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 07:33:08 PST Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:33:08 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: [SLUG] Confusing music ? To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20021107150125.GA14679@scarecrow.moensrus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Iffin you would really like to be confused.. In the 1700's There was a movement to teach the musically unlearned to sing with only 4 syllables and also notes that had 4 shapes to correspond to the 4 syllables. This method was used to teach singing and although it had followers across the US due to westward expansion, it was not thought to gain the same popularity of the 7 syllable scale. This came to be known as Shape Note Singing, also known as Sacred Harp singing as most of this type of singing was done in rural churches. Today, in nearly every state in the union, this form of singing survives even today. THe 4 syllables were Fa-So- La- and Mi. Shapes were rectangles, diamonds,circles, triangles.. one group sings right here in the bay area east of Waimauma. And in order to keep this Linux related.. would like to know if anyone has attempted any type of linux sound recording ? Mark --- Matthew Moen wrote: > Thus spake gnorb@tampabay.rr.com on the 07 day of > the 11 month in the year 2002: > > > In some music systems, "H" is actually the note > "B." I remember once getting > > confused because of some scales I was practicing > in a Carl Flesch book and when > > I went to do a B minor scale, it called it > "H-moll." > > Huh. That's strange. You'd expect if they were > using the letter "H" it > would be a replacement for "A". Perhaps someone > whose last name started > with H had a complex? I'm guessing there's a better > musical explination > for this. > > -- > Matthew Moen > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 10:51:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA15428 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:51:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA15425 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:51:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30223 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:51:31 -0500 From: bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7Fp026023783 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:51:00 -0500 Received: from myduron (653266hfc186.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.66.186]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA7FosS8002722 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:50:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001d01c28675$892b3100$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> To: References: <001801c2855c$e74d8d60$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <004101c2861a$0adb2180$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> <006001c2866a$86b724c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Possible St Pete meetings? Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:51:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The Guy from li.org was Jon"MADDOG" Hall. We are non-profit. As also mentioned there is a page that shows this. Also to note that we do not buy software! Also why would we even get into buying Windows Software? Also it would be a good Idea if you are interested in starting another SLUG meeting to get with Paul Foster our President, & Ed Centanni to make sure that you have their seal of approval. This will ensure that you are within our guidelines and to insure SLUGS good name. Also there is many things that need to be in place or setup to make sure that the meetings go without a hitch. If you need any more information please go to the www.suncoastlug.org Slugs Official homepage to get other information you may need. Thanks Bill Preece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Hires" To: Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Possible St Pete meetings? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On occasion I make myself go to the Dunedin meeting since I'm not able to go > to the Tampa meeting, since I work at night. How far is the St Pete library > from Largo, anyway? > > SLUG is non-profit (or not-for-profit...you'll get this if you've been > following the KDE League/Missing money story), although I don't see anything > "official" about this on the SLUG website...there's an accounting of what > happens with the money on the SLUG website, if you're interested. > > The money does pay for things, like the trip to Tampa that they guy from > Linux International made...I can't remember his name, and the li.org site is > down for now...meanwhile, back at the ranch...I'm all over this email. > > So bye for now! > > Russell > On Thursday 07 November 2002 09:32 am, you wrote: > > I called the library and you can only use them if are a non-profit > > organization. > > Is the slug non-profit? or is the raffle money going to buy illicit copies > > of windows software!? > > If I find a place in Saint Pete to hold the meetings, will anyone show up? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. > > > > > The St Pete Public Library (Main Branch) is always looking to have > > > > groups > > > > > use their rooms. (Something about getting more money from the City if > > > more people using them...) They have 3 meeting rooms, one of which is a > > > fully-fitted auditorium. All you have to do is fill out a form and > > > > request > > > > > the room you want. They get picky about how far ahead you can reserve > > > the rooms, but other than that, they're easy to work with. > > > > > > > Seriously, the only thing stopping St Pete meetings is someone to > > > > reliably run them. Naturally, you need a place to meet, but it's more > > > > important to have someone stable there who's willing to show up and run > > > > things month after month. > > > > > > > > Paul > > - -- > Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9yoHvAqKGrvVshJQRAudGAKDzNT567wigVKbg2kaUSTauH/j38QCg2mnB > 3joOfrZP0IQaWwNfiDBwElc= > =TwXK > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 10:55:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA15489 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:55:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA15473 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:55:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30292 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:55:52 -0500 Received: from ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (mail.kingwoodcable.net [24.206.159.247]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7FtI26024045 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:55:18 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id 75469350080 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:54:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from micro.hef (h65-222-109-126.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.109.126]) by ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BE7FA350049 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:54:37 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 22296 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2002 15:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iotcorp.com) (192.168.5.5) by 192.168.5.1 with SMTP; 7 Nov 2002 15:10:51 -0000 Message-ID: <3DCA46FE.3090802@iotcorp.com> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 05:57:02 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan Organization: Integrated Object Technologies Corp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mounting Windows shares References: <1036677063.1077.23.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-230-202.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> <3DCA37A0.7080903@iotcorp.com> <1036682736.13236.25.camel@slacker> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Matthew wrote: > I'm trying to mount an ntfs share on a local computer and I keep getting > this error: > > mount: special device does not exist > > I have read the man and I'm pretty sure I'm using the correct command > (mount -t ntfs -o username=USER,password=PASS //computer/share > /media/newmount) but nothing seems to work. I have tried with other > shares set up with no luck :-/ > > I'm using SuSE 8.1 Pro and the target machine is XP Pro > > Anyone have any advice? > When networking over SMB, I don't think that you should be using "-t ntfs". The SMB protocol shouldn't care what kind of remote filesystem it is, use "-t smbfs". I have never worked with NTFS, but I think that the "mount -t ntfs" is used when the hard disk that you are trying to mount is installed inside your Linux computer (not across a network). --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 10:55:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA15487 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:55:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA15471 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:55:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30290 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:55:52 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7Ft726024036 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:55:08 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03224 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 10:54:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c28675$19e32f50$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: <001801c2855c$e74d8d60$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <004101c2861a$0adb2180$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> <006001c2866a$86b724c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Possible St Pete meetings? Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:48:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I got the call back from the library and there shouldn't be a problem having regular meetings. We have 3 option for room size.. less than 10, less than 30, and an auditorium. I am willing to put in the commitment. Let me know. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Hires" To: Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Possible St Pete meetings? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On occasion I make myself go to the Dunedin meeting since I'm not able to go > to the Tampa meeting, since I work at night. How far is the St Pete library > from Largo, anyway? > > SLUG is non-profit (or not-for-profit...you'll get this if you've been > following the KDE League/Missing money story), although I don't see anything > "official" about this on the SLUG website...there's an accounting of what > happens with the money on the SLUG website, if you're interested. > > The money does pay for things, like the trip to Tampa that they guy from > Linux International made...I can't remember his name, and the li.org site is > down for now...meanwhile, back at the ranch...I'm all over this email. > > So bye for now! > > Russell > On Thursday 07 November 2002 09:32 am, you wrote: > > I called the library and you can only use them if are a non-profit > > organization. > > Is the slug non-profit? or is the raffle money going to buy illicit copies > > of windows software!? > > If I find a place in Saint Pete to hold the meetings, will anyone show up? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. > > > > > The St Pete Public Library (Main Branch) is always looking to have > > > > groups > > > > > use their rooms. (Something about getting more money from the City if > > > more people using them...) They have 3 meeting rooms, one of which is a > > > fully-fitted auditorium. All you have to do is fill out a form and > > > > request > > > > > the room you want. They get picky about how far ahead you can reserve > > > the rooms, but other than that, they're easy to work with. > > > > > > > Seriously, the only thing stopping St Pete meetings is someone to > > > > reliably run them. Naturally, you need a place to meet, but it's more > > > > important to have someone stable there who's willing to show up and run > > > > things month after month. > > > > > > > > Paul > > - -- > Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9yoHvAqKGrvVshJQRAudGAKDzNT567wigVKbg2kaUSTauH/j38QCg2mnB > 3joOfrZP0IQaWwNfiDBwElc= > =TwXK > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 11:30:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA15846 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:30:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA15831 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:30:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30713 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:30:32 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7GU226026703 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:30:02 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.104] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA7GTuS8025325 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:29:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mounting Windows shares From: Matt To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <3DCA46FE.3090802@iotcorp.com> References: <1036677063.1077.23.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-230-202.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> <3DCA37A0.7080903@iotcorp.com> <1036682736.13236.25.camel@slacker> <3DCA46FE.3090802@iotcorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 07 Nov 2002 11:29:02 -0500 Message-Id: <1036686544.12922.38.camel@slacker> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I first tried "-t smbfs" on both my SuSE & Slackbox and got: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //computer/share, or too many mounted file systems so I decided to try the ntfs type.I'll keep reading up but I think it's just crap ntfs ;p On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 05:57, Ronan Heffernan wrote: > Matthew wrote: > > I'm trying to mount an ntfs share on a local computer and I keep getting > > this error: > > > > mount: special device does not exist > > > > I have read the man and I'm pretty sure I'm using the correct command > > (mount -t ntfs -o username=USER,password=PASS //computer/share > > /media/newmount) but nothing seems to work. I have tried with other > > shares set up with no luck :-/ > > > > I'm using SuSE 8.1 Pro and the target machine is XP Pro > > > > Anyone have any advice? > > > > > When networking over SMB, I don't think that you should be using "-t > ntfs". The SMB protocol shouldn't care what kind of remote filesystem > it is, use "-t smbfs". I have never worked with NTFS, but I think that > the "mount -t ntfs" is used when the hard disk that you are trying to > mount is installed inside your Linux computer (not across a network). > > --ronan > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 11:34:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA15886 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:34:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA15883 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:34:29 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30765 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:34:29 -0500 Received: from nks.net (slut.nks.net [192.168.1.44]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA26011 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:34:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3DCA9615.568CF9E@nks.net> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:34:29 -0500 From: Eric Bravick Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] webhosts and data centers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Seth, My first response was: "NKS, of course!" ...but in reality, while we do a great job, we aren't right for everyone. If you want to contact me off list, I can give you a run down of all the major and minor players in the area. I've been intimately involved with most of them since their births, and I've also been in the hosting business since there has been a hosting business... I'd rather not do this on list for several reasons: 1) I'm not sure if this subject, in any detail, is really on topic for the SLUG list. (I could be wrong, and the community can feel free to disagree.) 2) I'll probably end up saying a few things that will start flame wars (I usually do...) and I'm sure most people just don't want to see that. Hosting in Tampa is a rough business, and unfortunately many of the players are less than honest with their customers. Thanks. Seth Hollen wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > A while back we had a discussion of various hosts in the area. > > I might need a 2 dedicated servers in the near future. I linux/freebsd > the other windows doing terminal services. > > can anyone recommend some local places, that might be able to do this? > Some members were talking about a new datacenter being built near TPA I > believe? is that operational yet? > Thanks! > > Take Care, > > Seth Hollen > seth@opentechinc.net > 727-919-1598 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 8.0 (Build 294) Beta > > iQA/AwUBPcprvmd7RWIwEvp1EQIGaQCfQRkXUeP2qMS4dyJwYhxZkD8ixJ8AoK1x > vBoO/Y0p3t34IwpxjYCX7drc > =7QNp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: PGPexch.htm.pgp > PGPexch.htm.pgp Type: application/pgp-signature > Encoding: base64 -- -------------------------------------------------- -- Eric Bravick, Engineering Shock Trooper -- --- Networked Knowledge Systems --- ---- P.O. Box 20772 Tampa, FL. 33622-0772 ---- ----- (813)594-0060 Voice (813)594-0045 FAX ----- ------ ebravick@nks.net ------ -------------------------------------------------- ----- This email bound by the following: ----- ---- http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html ---- -------------------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 11:50:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA16039 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:50:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA16031 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:50:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30964 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:50:42 -0500 Received: from spanky.onsyd.com (tamqfl1-ar3-4-64-048-131.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net [4.64.48.131]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7GoU26028379 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:50:30 -0500 Received: from karma.onsyd.com (karma.onsyd.com [192.168.0.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by spanky.onsyd.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gA7GoM0I004146 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:50:23 -0500 From: Syd Alsobrook To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mounting Windows shares Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:50:22 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.7 References: <1036677063.1077.23.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-230-202.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> <3DCA46FE.3090802@iotcorp.com> <1036686544.12922.38.camel@slacker> In-Reply-To: <1036686544.12922.38.camel@slacker> X-NSA-Trigger: Plutonium President kill infiltrate Fissionable weapons grade NSA CIA (Have a Nice Day) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200211071150.22256.syd@ittagteam.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 07 November 2002 11:29, Matt wrote: > I first tried "-t smbfs" on both my SuSE & Slackbox and got: > > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //computer/share, > or too many mounted file systems check /proc/filesystems and make sure the your kernel is supporting smbfs. If not you will need to add the module. Syd -- ----------- Protect your privacy. http://www.epic.org http://www.gnupg.org From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 11:54:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA16068 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:54:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA16065 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:54:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30999 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:54:21 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7Grn26028578 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:53:49 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 66FEE5F41 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:57:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:50:15 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Website Message-Id: <20021107115015.637cb42c.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <37427.199.222.4.138.1036682073.squirrel@_default_> References: <37427.199.222.4.138.1036682073.squirrel@_default_> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:14:33 -0500 (EST) Diego Henao wrote: > I have a question about a project that I have. I am trying to design a > website. I have some experience with Frontpage and DHTML. I think this > knowledge is good to design a simple website. Now, I am trying to go > forward and create an e-commerce website. I don't know where to start for. > I want to have different users ( login password screen). Also I want to > have a shopping cart and a database to manage inventories. > > I know that it is not easy, but I don't know from where I can start. Any > suggestions or personal experiences will be more than welcome and helpful. > > Best of Regards > Diego Henao I believe there are a few free e-commerce packages on freshmeat.net , but I cannot attest to their quality. As I recall, most of them use php and mysql. Levi From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 11:54:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA16084 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:54:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA16081 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:54:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31008 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:54:51 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7Gsd26028626 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:54:39 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (653272hfc152.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.72.152]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA7GsWCD010772; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:54:33 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009701c28672$041dc9d0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> References: <001801c2855c$e74d8d60$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <004101c2861a$0adb2180$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> <006001c2866a$86b724c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> <009701c28672$041dc9d0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:53:56 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] Possible St Pete meetings? Cc: Russ Wright Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Aaron, let me know how I can help off-list. A while back, Russ Wright and I tossed this around, but I guess with our schedules weren't able to pan out something. I remember I was trying (still) for St. Pete College, but they were being turds about it being a college-run organization with a professor as the head and approval from the provost. We also may have had to pay a monthly fee for facilities. I'm taking a class there now, yet I haven't tried this semester to muster a campaign. If you can get something going with the library, etc. I'd like to help in whatever way I can. I think I'd rather step away from this grand academia bureaucratical nonsense. /mario >I am waiting on a call back from the Saint Pete Library. >The Address is: >3745 Ninth Avenue North >St. Petersburg, FL 33713 >mapquest link: >http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&address=3745+N >inth+Avenue+North&city=St.+Petersburg&state=FL&zipcode=33713&homesubmit.x=59 >&homesubmit.y=2 > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Russell Hires" >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:08 AM >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Possible St Pete meetings? > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On occasion I make myself go to the Dunedin meeting since I'm not able to >go >> to the Tampa meeting, since I work at night. How far is the St Pete >library >> from Largo, anyway? >> >> SLUG is non-profit (or not-for-profit...you'll get this if you've been >> following the KDE League/Missing money story), although I don't see >anything >> "official" about this on the SLUG website...there's an accounting of what >> happens with the money on the SLUG website, if you're interested. >> >> The money does pay for things, like the trip to Tampa that they guy from >> Linux International made...I can't remember his name, and the li.org site >is >> down for now...meanwhile, back at the ranch...I'm all over this email. >> >> So bye for now! >> >> Russell >> On Thursday 07 November 2002 09:32 am, you wrote: >> > I called the library and you can only use them if are a non-profit >> > organization. >> > Is the slug non-profit? or is the raffle money going to buy illicit >copies >> > of windows software!? >> > If I find a place in Saint Pete to hold the meetings, will anyone show >up? >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "James Miller" >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:56 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. >> > >> > > The St Pete Public Library (Main Branch) is always looking to have >> > >> > groups >> > >> > > use their rooms. (Something about getting more money from the City if >> > > more people using them...) They have 3 meeting rooms, one of which is >a >> > > fully-fitted auditorium. All you have to do is fill out a form and >> > >> > request >> > >> > > the room you want. They get picky about how far ahead you can reserve >> > > the rooms, but other than that, they're easy to work with. >> > > >> > > > Seriously, the only thing stopping St Pete meetings is someone to >> > > > reliably run them. Naturally, you need a place to meet, but it's >more >> > > > important to have someone stable there who's willing to show up and >run >> > > > things month after month. >> > > > >> > > > Paul >> >> - -- >> Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org >> >> iD8DBQE9yoHvAqKGrvVshJQRAudGAKDzNT567wigVKbg2kaUSTauH/j38QCg2mnB >> 3joOfrZP0IQaWwNfiDBwElc= >> =TwXK >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 12:10:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA16205 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:10:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA16202 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:10:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31160 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:10:11 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA7H9m26029475 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:09:49 -0500 Received: (qmail 31990 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2002 17:09:43 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2002 17:09:43 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:09:41 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Mounting Windows shares Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:03:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c2867f$9afaee20$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3DCA46FE.3090802@iotcorp.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Here is a command line that works for me. Mount -t smbfs -o username:(your user name here),passwd=(your NT password here) //server name/(source directory) /(mount directory here) Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Ronan Heffernan Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 5:57 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mounting Windows shares Matthew wrote: > I'm trying to mount an ntfs share on a local computer and I keep getting > this error: > > mount: special device does not exist > > I have read the man and I'm pretty sure I'm using the correct command > (mount -t ntfs -o username=USER,password=PASS //computer/share > /media/newmount) but nothing seems to work. I have tried with other > shares set up with no luck :-/ > > I'm using SuSE 8.1 Pro and the target machine is XP Pro > > Anyone have any advice? > When networking over SMB, I don't think that you should be using "-t ntfs". The SMB protocol shouldn't care what kind of remote filesystem it is, use "-t smbfs". I have never worked with NTFS, but I think that the "mount -t ntfs" is used when the hard disk that you are trying to mount is installed inside your Linux computer (not across a network). --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 12:25:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA16344 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:25:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA16334 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:25:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31316 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:25:41 -0500 Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7HPD26030358 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:25:14 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar10-4-47-096-201 ([4.47.96.201]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021107172508.QDK3265.out001.verizon.net@tamqfl1-ar10-4-47-096-201> for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:25:08 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] is this norb? Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:28:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200211070629.gA76T6CB017246@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200211070629.gA76T6CB017246@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211071228.32532.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out001.verizon.net from [4.47.96.201] at Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:25:07 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is an earlier german musical notation possibly used to work around any possible confusion between the old gothic fonts formerly used in germany up into the early twentieth century. Smitty On Wednesday 06 November 2002 12:29, you wrote: > > Pat, I am concerned about author of this particular app. Take a look at > > the graphic. His guitar has an "H" string! > > In some music systems, "H" is actually the note "B." I remember once > getting confused because of some scales I was practicing in a Carl Flesch > book and when I went to do a B minor scale, it called it "H-moll." > > Gnorb From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 12:37:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA16455 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:37:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA16447 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:37:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31434 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:37:21 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2-bak.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.45]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7Hb026031029 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:37:00 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.104] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA7HasS8027320 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:36:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mounting Windows shares From: Matt To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200211071150.22256.syd@ittagteam.com> References: <1036677063.1077.23.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-230-202.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> <3DCA46FE.3090802@iotcorp.com> <1036686544.12922.38.camel@slacker> <200211071150.22256.syd@ittagteam.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 07 Nov 2002 12:35:59 -0500 Message-Id: <1036690561.13236.40.camel@slacker> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug You were right - I do need to add it in. Thanks for the help =) On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 11:50, Syd Alsobrook wrote: > On Thursday 07 November 2002 11:29, Matt wrote: > > I first tried "-t smbfs" on both my SuSE & Slackbox and got: > > > > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //computer/share, > > or too many mounted file systems > > check /proc/filesystems and make sure the your kernel is supporting smbfs. If > not you will need to add the module. > > Syd > > -- > ----------- > Protect your privacy. > http://www.epic.org > http://www.gnupg.org > > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 12:53:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA16625 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:53:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA16622 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:53:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31625 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:53:51 -0500 Received: from ct1.smartnoc.net ([206.135.212.2]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7HrO26031951 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:53:25 -0500 Received: from 6532164hfc75.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.164.75] helo=ctworkstation) by ct1.smartnoc.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 189qox-0002HM-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 12:51:59 -0500 From: "Travis B. Creighton" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] webhosts and data centers Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:02:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3DCA9615.568CF9E@nks.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ct1.smartnoc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - computron-usa.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If you would, shoot me some info in the areas of dedicated hosting. I am expanding my business of on-site sales & service / network design / security / WLAN, etc to include hosting since a computer makes for a cheap employee. However, where I am currently at, I'm not too happy with because of various problems. I'm currently getting my bandwidth from Jtel (CLEC) downtown but he appears to be spam friendly and just a couple of days ago underwent a DOS attack where they ping flooded the broadcase address with a spoofed IP making it look like it came from within the NOC. I don't want these headaches and down time. I most receintly looked at Peak10 just north of TIA but found their bandwidth pricing to be grossly expensive. Candid has some decient bandwidth pricing but I don't want to support their porn habit. I'm new to linux and will be obtaining some formal training at HCC. I host on RH with Cpanel/WHM as my front-end so it isn't a major problem yet. However, I do need a "managed" solution in regards to CoLocation or dedicated services. Sincerely, Travis B. Creighton CompuTron -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Eric Bravick Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:34 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] webhosts and data centers Seth, My first response was: "NKS, of course!" ...but in reality, while we do a great job, we aren't right for everyone. If you want to contact me off list, I can give you a run down of all the major and minor players in the area. I've been intimately involved with most of them since their births, and I've also been in the hosting business since there has been a hosting business... I'd rather not do this on list for several reasons: 1) I'm not sure if this subject, in any detail, is really on topic for the SLUG list. (I could be wrong, and the community can feel free to disagree.) 2) I'll probably end up saying a few things that will start flame wars (I usually do...) and I'm sure most people just don't want to see that. Hosting in Tampa is a rough business, and unfortunately many of the players are less than honest with their customers. Thanks. Seth Hollen wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > A while back we had a discussion of various hosts in the area. > > I might need a 2 dedicated servers in the near future. I linux/freebsd > the other windows doing terminal services. > > can anyone recommend some local places, that might be able to do this? > Some members were talking about a new datacenter being built near TPA > I believe? is that operational yet? Thanks! > > Take Care, > > Seth Hollen > seth@opentechinc.net > 727-919-1598 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 8.0 (Build 294) Beta > > iQA/AwUBPcprvmd7RWIwEvp1EQIGaQCfQRkXUeP2qMS4dyJwYhxZkD8ixJ8AoK1x > vBoO/Y0p3t34IwpxjYCX7drc > =7QNp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: PGPexch.htm.pgp > PGPexch.htm.pgp Type: application/pgp-signature > Encoding: base64 -- -------------------------------------------------- -- Eric Bravick, Engineering Shock Trooper -- --- Networked Knowledge Systems --- ---- P.O. Box 20772 Tampa, FL. 33622-0772 ---- ----- (813)594-0060 Voice (813)594-0045 FAX ----- ------ ebravick@nks.net ------ -------------------------------------------------- ----- This email bound by the following: ----- ---- http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html ---- -------------------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 13:19:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA16931 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:19:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA16928 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:19:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31921 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:19:31 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-20.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.20] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7IJ726001080 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:19:07 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.20]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA17368 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:18:20 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA08245 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:18:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] Gnome 1.4 desktop icons not visible From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <1036197317.1686.4.camel@duppy> References: <1035570159.3461.32.camel@duppy> <1035571240.1287.41.camel@menix> <1035594624.2051.39.camel@duppy> <1035813977.20499.10.camel@menix> <1036197317.1686.4.camel@duppy> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-s7VU1gk3wpdWhCXrJYzk" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 07 Nov 2002 13:18:19 -0500 Message-Id: <1036693100.31963.968.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-s7VU1gk3wpdWhCXrJYzk Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 19:35, Adrian deLisser wrote: > Strangely, selecting 'Advanced' did not illuminate this option either!=20 > After wandering around Gnome, what finally brought the icons back was to > login as root, then launch Nautilus. The icons then appeared when I > subsequently logged-in as myself. I hope to soon know Gnome well enough > to understand this result. Ooops, somehow I missed this reply in the confusion of my threaded mailing list view. Good to see you got it working even if the solution is somewhat perplexing. --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 --=-s7VU1gk3wpdWhCXrJYzk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9yq5rIomZUAi8ewYRAtI/AJ9lqes/t6hdUGiQOJf6yaZg77HxQACgvXpR MnTb2atBHQYqRvN0zEaucEg= =++OK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-s7VU1gk3wpdWhCXrJYzk-- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 14:19:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA17474 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:19:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA17466 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:19:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32599 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:19:08 -0500 Received: from usushntex50.unistudios.com (outmail.unistudios.com [192.251.67.110]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7JH60F021712 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:17:06 -0500 Received: from usintex11lax.unistudios.com (usintex11lax.udh.unistudios.com [167.167.130.41]) by usushntex50.unistudios.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id VT4MWDWQ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:18:51 -0800 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by usintex11lax.unistudios.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:17:00 -0800 Received: by usintex11lax.udh.unistudios.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:17:00 -0800 Message-ID: <702BE4C40069D4119AB000805FA74DE405EC7586@usintex17lax.udh.unistudios.com> From: "Quesada, Oscar" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] Gnome 1.4 desktop icons not visible Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:16:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I got similar problem with RH 7.2 and I can not bring Gnome or KDE back, I am still running on RL 3 I believe ( non graphical). What can I do to bring back my Gnome or KDE for the root???? Thanks Oscar R. Quesada UMG-IT Systems/Network Support Vivendi Universal 818-777-5701 -----Original Message----- From: Matt Miller [mailto:mmiller1@mptotalcare.com] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:18 AM To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Gnome 1.4 desktop icons not visible On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 19:35, Adrian deLisser wrote: > Strangely, selecting 'Advanced' did not illuminate this option either! > After wandering around Gnome, what finally brought the icons back was to > login as root, then launch Nautilus. The icons then appeared when I > subsequently logged-in as myself. I hope to soon know Gnome well enough > to understand this result. Ooops, somehow I missed this reply in the confusion of my threaded mailing list view. Good to see you got it working even if the solution is somewhat perplexing. -- Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id: 08BC7B06 From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 18:33:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA19428 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:33:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA19425 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:33:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02961 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:33:19 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA7NWO0F005464 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:32:25 -0500 Received: (qmail 61239 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2002 23:31:16 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2002 23:31:16 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 189w8G-0008NM-00 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 18:32:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:32:11 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. Message-ID: <20021107233211.GB29321@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <001801c2855c$e74d8d60$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <01b101c2859d$8fa83380$4401a8c0@patrick> <006a01c285ba$a9cd23c0$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <000f01c285bb$a8620590$7d0aa8c0@washpat> <20021106231753.GC20591@quillandmouse.com> <004101c2861a$0adb2180$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> <006001c2866a$86b724c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <006001c2866a$86b724c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 09:32:39AM -0500, Aaron Steimle wrote: > I called the library and you can only use them if are a non-profit > organization. > Is the slug non-profit? or is the raffle money going to buy illicit copies > of windows software!? Who told you about that Windows software! ;-} SLUG is non-profit in the sense that no one profits from group funds. No one gets paid for doing anything for the group. (As mentioned, accounting for all the money we've ever spent/received is on the SLUG Treasury page.) However, we are _not_ registered as a 501c3 corporation. We are not registered as a corporation at all, since all that stuff costs yearly moolah. Some meeting places want all the non-profit bona fides like the above, and if so, we can't help them. > If I find a place in Saint Pete to hold the meetings, will anyone show up? > That depends on _you_. We can talk it up on the list, but you're gonna have to promote it yourself to some extent. After you've held meetings successfully for six months or so, we will start putting St Pete meetings in the weekly announcement to the SLUG Announce list. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 18:46:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA19561 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:46:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA19547 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:46:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03121 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:46:00 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA7Nj40F006282 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:45:04 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (70-109.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.109.70]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA7Niw1c002580 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:44:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. From: Cameron Moore To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <006001c2866a$86b724c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> References: <001801c2855c$e74d8d60$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <01b101c2859d$8fa83380$4401a8c0@patrick> <006a01c285ba$a9cd23c0$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <000f01c285bb$a8620590$7d0aa8c0@washpat> <20021106231753.GC20591@quillandmouse.com> <004101c2861a$0adb2180$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> <006001c2866a$86b724c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 07 Nov 2002 18:45:20 -0500 Message-Id: <1036712720.25671.0.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 09:32, Aaron Steimle wrote: > If I find a place in Saint Pete to hold the meetings, will anyone show up? > Yes! From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 20:08:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA20141 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:08:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA20138 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:08:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03919 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:08:49 -0500 Received: from host.axxessible.com (host.axxessible.com [209.239.61.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA81890F011385 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:08:10 -0500 Received: from mar2001.dsl-verizon.net (tamqfl1-ar8-4-64-006-239.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net [4.64.6.239]) by host.axxessible.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id gA8184n08242 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:08:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200211080108.gA8184n08242@host.axxessible.com> From: "John" To: "slug@nks.net" Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 20:07:56 -0500 X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2581) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;6) In-Reply-To: <20021107233211.GB29321@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting This Thursday. X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:32:11 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: -> We are not registered as a corporation at all, since all that stuff -> costs yearly moolah. Some meeting places want all the non-profit bona -> fides like the above, and if so, we can't help them. If they required 501c3, they would have to turn away a Creative Writers group, for example. Can't imagine a library doing that! John From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 21:36:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA20856 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:36:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA20852 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:36:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04773 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:36:29 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA82Zv0F016775 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:35:58 -0500 Received: (qmail 64699 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2002 02:34:50 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 2002 02:34:50 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 189yzo-0008Q5-00 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 21:35:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:35:38 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Possible St Pete meetings? Message-ID: <20021108023538.GC29321@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <001801c2855c$e74d8d60$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <004101c2861a$0adb2180$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> <006001c2866a$86b724c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> <001d01c28675$892b3100$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001d01c28675$892b3100$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 10:51:28AM -0500, bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > Also it would be a good Idea if you are interested in starting another SLUG > meeting > to get with Paul Foster our President, & Ed Centanni to make sure that you > have their seal of approval. The officers have discussed this from time to time on the Admin list, and I think we're agreed that a St Pete meeting place would be a good idea. However, we've also pretty much agreed that beyond St Pete, we really don't want to add more meeting places; six meetings a month is quite enough. > This will ensure that you are within our guidelines and to insure SLUGS good > name. > We've also had discussions on this. Some points of importance: 1) Select a meeting time/date that doesn't interfere with other SLUG meetings. 2) Don't do anything we could all be sued for later. ;-} 3) If you need personal pointers, contact me offlist. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 21:46:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA20950 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:46:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA20941 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:46:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04880 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:46:39 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA82jG0F017374 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:45:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 64877 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2002 02:44:08 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 2002 02:44:08 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 189z8u-0008QT-00 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 21:45:08 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:45:03 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Website Message-ID: <20021108024503.GD29321@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <37427.199.222.4.138.1036682073.squirrel@_default_> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <37427.199.222.4.138.1036682073.squirrel@_default_> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 10:14:33AM -0500, Diego Henao wrote: > I have a question about a project that I have. I am trying to design a > website. I have some experience with Frontpage and DHTML. I think this > knowledge is good to design a simple website. Now, I am trying to go > forward and create an e-commerce website. I don't know where to start for. > I want to have different users ( login password screen). Also I want to > have a shopping cart and a database to manage inventories. > > I know that it is not easy, but I don't know from where I can start. Any > suggestions or personal experiences will be more than welcome and helpful. You do _not_ want to build an ecommerce solution from scratch. Use one of the free ones. I use one called commerce.cgi (Google for it). This is based on another package called Extropia. And there's one called (I believe) Agora, that's based on commerce.cgi. Pretty simple to set up and run. No logins, though. The system assigns a unique number to each session, and this is passed as a parameter any time the user changes pages, and is used to key all their transactions. The "database" can be done several ways, but normally it's a pipe-delimited flat file in a subdirectory. Credit card processing requires either a handoff to another service that does that, or you processing the cards yourself; you get half the credit card number emailed to you, and the other half is obtained from an admin program sitting on the website. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 21:57:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA21123 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:57:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA21120 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:57:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05048 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:57:29 -0500 Received: from ipop9 ([202.188.0.174]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA82uo0F018168 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:56:51 -0500 Received: from deoxyribonuclei.streamyX.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ipop1.tm.net.my (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5800JC7LLWA3@ipop1.tm.net.my> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 10:58:45 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:01:09 +0800 From: TheExploited Subject: Re: [SLUG] Website In-reply-to: <20021107115015.637cb42c.levi@bard.sytes.net> X-Sender: chinvi@streamyX.com@pop.tm.net.my To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021108105800.00a6f6b8@pop.tm.net.my> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <37427.199.222.4.138.1036682073.squirrel@_default_> <37427.199.222.4.138.1036682073.squirrel@_default_> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug You should try c0ding server side scripts. You have a few options like JSP , ASP , and of course PHP Of all i'd prefer PHP You can get more information at http://php.net That should get you hooked up. And also not forgetting mysql. more information at http://www.mysql.com/ At 11:50 AM 11/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: >On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:14:33 -0500 (EST) >Diego Henao wrote: > > > I have a question about a project that I have. I am trying to design a > > website. I have some experience with Frontpage and DHTML. I think this > > knowledge is good to design a simple website. Now, I am trying to go > > forward and create an e-commerce website. I don't know where to start for. > > I want to have different users ( login password screen). Also I want to > > have a shopping cart and a database to manage inventories. > > > > I know that it is not easy, but I don't know from where I can start. Any > > suggestions or personal experiences will be more than welcome and helpful. > > > > Best of Regards > > Diego Henao > > >I believe there are a few free e-commerce packages on freshmeat.net , but >I cannot attest to their quality. As I recall, most of them use php and mysql. > >Levi From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 22:58:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA21688 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:58:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA21679 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:58:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05775 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:58:49 -0500 Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA83vx0F022219 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:57:59 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-225-015.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.63.225.15]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021108035753.CEUH2867.out002.verizon.net@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-225-015.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:57:53 -0600 Subject: Re: [SLUG] New to SLUG From: Vince Meiste To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3DCA37A0.7080903@iotcorp.com> References: <1036677063.1077.23.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-230-202.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> <3DCA37A0.7080903@iotcorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 07 Nov 2002 22:57:40 -0500 Message-Id: <1036727862.3199.4.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-230-202.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out002.verizon.net from [4.63.225.15] at Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:57:53 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks Ronan for pointing me in the right direction. Your suggestions worked. I did have to leave the password parameter off of the command, because the "&" character in my password wasn't getting interpreted correctly by the mount command. I just let the mount command prompt me for the password after issuing it. Worked like a champ. Thanks again. Vince On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 04:51, Ronan Heffernan wrote: > > I would like to be able to access shared files/folders on the > > Windows 2000 PC and also the printer on that machine with my RH Linux > > system on the laptop. What's the best and easiest way to do this? I > > know a little about Samba, but am not an expert in it by any means. Is > > Samba the route to go or is there an easier way to share files and > > printers between my systems? > > > > Samba is the package that you use to make your Linux computer share its > files and printers via the SMB protocol. You want the opposite, where > Linux is the client and Windows is the server. You can mount a Windows > share with something like: > > mount -t smbfs -o username=tridge,password=foobar //fjall/test /data/test > > > There is a utility called smbspool which will let you send print jobs > from Linux to a Windows-shared printer. Look at the smbspool man page > for details. > > --ronan > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 7 22:58:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA21687 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:58:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA21675 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:58:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05773 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:58:49 -0500 Received: from sbc2.ieshost.com (sbc2.ieshost.com [64.95.200.13]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA83w70F022230 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:58:07 -0500 Received: (qmail 74290 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2002 03:58:01 -0000 Received: from dt023n43.tampabay.rr.com (HELO ws10) (24.92.10.67) by ivbn.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2002 03:58:01 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Website Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:59:26 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <37427.199.222.4.138.1036682073.squirrel@_default_> In-Reply-To: <37427.199.222.4.138.1036682073.squirrel@_default_> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211072259.26660.steve@itcom.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id WAA21676 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 07 November 2002 10:14, Diego Henao wrote: > I have a question about a project that I have. I am trying to > design a website. I have some experience with Frontpage and > DHTML. I think this knowledge is good to design a simple website. > Now, I am trying to go forward and create an e-commerce website. > I don't know where to start for. I want to have different users ( > login password screen). Also I want to have a shopping cart and a > database to manage inventories. > > I know that it is not easy, but I don't know from where I can > start. Any suggestions or personal experiences will be more than > welcome and helpful. > > Best of Regards > Diego Henao The best that I've seen is Interchange. It's very secure and allows it to be seperately managed for system, webdesign, and inventory. More at: http://www.icdevgroup.org/i/dev/about.html?id=HWU2Lw9v -- Steve ___________________________________________________________ HTML in e-mail is not safe. It let's spammers know to spam you more, and sets you up for online attack through IE 4.x and above. Using HTML in e-mail promotes it as safe to the uninitiated. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 06:24:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA25640 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:24:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA25637 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:24:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA10802 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:24:00 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA8BNj0F018077 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:23:45 -0500 Received: from spocksbrain (653227hfc159.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.27.159]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA8BNPfD015572 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:23:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeff Barriault" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Website Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:24:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <37427.199.222.4.138.1036682073.squirrel@_default_> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Are you planning on hosting the site on your own server? If not, another solution may be to lease space with a hosting company that has these types of services already set up for you to use. Check out http://www.digihost.com. They have an e-commerce hosting package that may have just about everything you need. -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net]On Behalf Of Diego Henao Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:15 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Website I have a question about a project that I have. I am trying to design a website. I have some experience with Frontpage and DHTML. I think this knowledge is good to design a simple website. Now, I am trying to go forward and create an e-commerce website. I don't know where to start for. I want to have different users ( login password screen). Also I want to have a shopping cart and a database to manage inventories. I know that it is not easy, but I don't know from where I can start. Any suggestions or personal experiences will be more than welcome and helpful. Best of Regards Diego Henao From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 06:57:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA26362 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:57:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA26352 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:57:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11319 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:57:51 -0500 Received: from ipop9 ([202.188.0.174]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA8Bng0F020222 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:49:43 -0500 Received: from deoxyribonuclei.streamyX.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ipop1.tm.net.my (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5900KG9AABIV@ipop1.tm.net.my> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 19:51:52 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 19:54:40 +0800 From: TheExploited Subject: [SLUG] pppoe X-Sender: chinvi@streamyX.com@pop.tm.net.my To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021108195346.00a8a060@pop.tm.net.my> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi, Can someone be kind enough to give me a guideline on how to setup PPPoverEthernet for my slackware?Thanks in advanced. Victor From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 09:19:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA27596 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:19:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA27593 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:19:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12821 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:19:50 -0500 Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA8EJJ0F029586 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:19:19 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18A9yb-0006ld-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 06:19:13 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18A9yF-00036m-00 for ; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 09:18:51 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] pppoe Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:18:48 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021108195346.00a8a060@pop.tm.net.my> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021108195346.00a8a060@pop.tm.net.my> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e76bc1678b50ee06ef8ce32f5f55710b31b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes! Go to http://www.roaringpenguin.com/pppoe, download and compile the source...If it successfully compiles, you should be prompted for your username/password information along with your server that you're trying to connect to, etc. HTH Russell On Friday 08 November 2002 06:54 am, you wrote: > Hi, > Can someone be kind enough to give me a guideline on how to setup > PPPoverEthernet for my slackware?Thanks in advanced. > Victor - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9y8fJAqKGrvVshJQRArl/AKCkX9iMTcwNW/zMuhjwC+tpVHV7fwCdEB8O 8ur9dIY8cr750dnFhrDaBaY= =c1Y6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 10:48:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA28476 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:48:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA28473 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:48:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13862 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:48:14 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA8FlO0F002802 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:47:24 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA8GpLKt011255 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:51:21 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA8GpKGr011253; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:51:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 199.222.4.62 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:51:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <61295.199.222.4.62.1036774280.squirrel@_default_> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:51:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] Thanks about the website To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I want to thanks everyone who answered my email. I wish I will have time to email everyone personally. I have not had time to look up the information that you provided to me, but I will have some resources to look up this weekend. Thanks a lot Diego Henao P.S. Mr.Ed Centanni. I still owe you a bottle of something. hahaha bye From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 13:34:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA30378 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:34:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA30375 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:34:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16011 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:34:54 -0500 Received: from web80312.mail.yahoo.com (web80312.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.28]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA8IYT0F013660 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:34:29 -0500 Message-ID: <20021108183423.56714.qmail@web80312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.202.92.99] by web80312.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 10:34:23 PST Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:34:23 -0800 (PST) From: sanity Subject: Re: [SLUG] Website --zope To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211072259.26660.steve@itcom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ZOPE? wouldn't zope work? --j --- steve wrote: > On Thursday 07 November 2002 10:14, Diego Henao wrote: > > I have a question about a project that I have. I am trying to > > design a website. I have some experience with Frontpage and > > DHTML. I think this knowledge is good to design a simple website. > > Now, I am trying to go forward and create an e-commerce website. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 14:11:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA30723 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:11:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA30709 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:11:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16421 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:11:24 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA8JAN0F015909 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:10:24 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA8KEOKt012141 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:14:24 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA8KENAF012139; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:14:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 199.222.4.62 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:14:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <60937.199.222.4.62.1036786463.squirrel@_default_> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:14:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Website --zope To: In-Reply-To: <20021108183423.56714.qmail@web80312.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200211072259.26660.steve@itcom.net> <20021108183423.56714.qmail@web80312.mail.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I will look up all those suggestions tomorrow because I am off weekends. Thanks Diego Henao > ZOPE? wouldn't zope work? > > --j > > --- steve wrote: >> On Thursday 07 November 2002 10:14, Diego Henao wrote: >> > I have a question about a project that I have. I am trying to >> > design a website. I have some experience with Frontpage and >> > DHTML. I think this knowledge is good to design a simple website. >> Now, I am trying to go forward and create an e-commerce website. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 14:54:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA31118 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:54:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA31115 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:54:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16930 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:54:24 -0500 Received: from web20304.mail.yahoo.com (web20304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.85]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA8JrZ0F018611 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: <20021108195330.53274.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.174.241.14] by web20304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:53:30 PST Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:53:30 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Since we have had several discussions on internet providers, I thought I ask about the best Cable/DSL Router to use? I am currently looking at a NetGear Cable/DSL Router w/4 port switch. The Model #: N100-1340. Is this a good one? What makes one better than the other? Also, when I read the description, there was noting about SSH, SSL(something like that), and SMTP. Are these user defined or does the Router have to know how to use them? William PS..It was getting nasty about the service providers. I would try not to piss them off too much. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 15:22:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA31377 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:22:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA31374 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:22:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17245 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:22:04 -0500 Received: from gandalf.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-21.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.21] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA8KL70F020353 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:21:07 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.20]) by gandalf.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA23661 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:20:49 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA09726 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:20:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <20021108195330.53274.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021108195330.53274.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-b+TB+5wUExGkM22HRYEd" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 08 Nov 2002 15:20:48 -0500 Message-Id: <1036786848.31964.1037.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-b+TB+5wUExGkM22HRYEd Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 14:53, William Coulter wrote: > Since we have had several discussions on internet providers, I thought I = ask about the best > Cable/DSL Router to use? >=20 > I am currently looking at a NetGear Cable/DSL Router w/4 port switch. Th= e Model #: N100-1340. Is > this a good one? What makes one better than the other? Also, when I rea= d the description, there > was noting about SSH, SSL(something like that), and SMTP. Are these user= defined or does the > Router have to know how to use them? I have had a BEFSR41 for almost 2 years now. I have been very happy so far. http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=3D20&grid=3D5 I regards to protocols supported by the router for management, my impression is all the Cable/DSL routers use a similar insecure web interface for management. The BEFSR41 allows you to restrict management only from internal/private hosts, and not through the WAN interface. The BEFSR41 also supports the passing through of IP protocols like GRE, ESP and AH for more secure point to point connections, which is crucial for me maintaining a FreeS/WAN ESP connection between my home and work. In regards to SMTP, SSH, etc, most of the Cable/DSL routers allow for port forwarding to an internal private host for the running of SMTP services or secure communications like SSH or SSL. If I pass through port 443 to my internal host, I can run apache-ssl. If I forward port 22, I can access my private host via SSH, etc. HTH=20 --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 "An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly." --=-b+TB+5wUExGkM22HRYEd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9zBygIomZUAi8ewYRAnu+AJoDIlJoar+D4l6B3FfrIDKSNoTSSQCfSHXn AafHVYETkxOpGf+bUUMvEwg= =hQ80 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-b+TB+5wUExGkM22HRYEd-- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 16:22:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA31938 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:22:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31929 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:22:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17903 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:22:24 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA8LLp0F024196 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:21:51 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA8MPmKt012695 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:25:53 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA8MPlRA012693; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:25:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 199.222.4.62 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:25:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <61896.199.222.4.62.1036794347.squirrel@_default_> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:25:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers To: In-Reply-To: <1036786848.31964.1037.camel@menix> References: <20021108195330.53274.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> <1036786848.31964.1037.camel@menix> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have the same router at home. In my company the SA department is using them a lot. I asked them before I bought mine. They give the different reasons why they are using them: 1. Price 2. It is really flexible and easy to set up. 3. The have not experienced any problem so far with these routers. I hope these reasons will help you to decide. Diego Henao P.S. That's one of the main reason why I don't like to go shopping (you never know what to buy). hahaha > On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 14:53, William Coulter wrote: >> Since we have had several discussions on internet providers, I thought >> I ask about the best Cable/DSL Router to use? >> >> I am currently looking at a NetGear Cable/DSL Router w/4 port switch. >> The Model #: N100-1340. Is this a good one? What makes one better >> than the other? Also, when I read the description, there was noting >> about SSH, SSL(something like that), and SMTP. Are these user defined >> or does the Router have to know how to use them? > > I have had a BEFSR41 for almost 2 years now. I have been very happy so > far. http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=20&grid=5 > I regards to protocols supported by the router for management, my > impression is all the Cable/DSL routers use a similar insecure web > interface for management. The BEFSR41 allows you to restrict management > only from internal/private hosts, and not through the WAN interface. The > BEFSR41 also supports the passing through of IP protocols like GRE, ESP > and AH for more secure point to point connections, which is crucial for > me maintaining a FreeS/WAN ESP connection between my home and work. In > regards to SMTP, SSH, etc, most of the Cable/DSL routers allow for port > forwarding to an internal private host for the running of SMTP services > or secure communications like SSH or SSL. > If I pass through port 443 to my internal host, I can run apache-ssl. If > I forward port 22, I can access my private host via SSH, etc. > HTH > -- > Matt Miller > Systems Administrator > MP TotalCare > gpg public key id: > 08BC7r to use? >> >> I am currently looking at a NetGear Cable/DSL Router w/4 port switch. >> The Model #: N100-1340. Is this a good one? What makes one better >> than the other? Also, when I read the description, there was noting >> about SSH, SSL(something like that), and SMTP. Are these user defined >> or does the Router have to know how to use them? > > I have had a BEFSR41 for almost 2 years now. I have been very happy so > far. http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=20&grid=5 > I regards to protocols supported by the router for management, my > impression is all the Cable/DSL routers use a similar insecure web > interface for management. The BEFSR41 allows you to restrict management > only from internal/private hosts, and not through the WAN interface. The > BEFSR41 also supports the passing through of IP protocols like GRE, ESP > and AH for more secure point to point connections, which is crucial for > me maintaining a FreeS/WAN ESP connection between my home and work. In > regards to SMTP, SSH, etc, most of the Cable/DSL routers allow for port > forwarding to an internal private host for the running of SMTP services > or secure communications like SSH or SSL. > If I pass through port 443 to my internal host, I can run apache-ssl. If > I forward port 22, I can access my private host via SSH, etc. > HTH > -- > Matt Miller > Systems Administrator > MP TotalCare > gpg public key id: > 08BC7B06 > > "An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly." From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 17:02:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA32367 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:02:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA32359 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:02:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18408 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:02:54 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA8M2D0F026844 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:02:14 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 4245D5F41 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:57:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:58:25 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers Message-Id: <20021108165825.3fe676e0.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <20021108195330.53274.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021108195330.53274.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug A cheap alternative to a hardware router is an old PC and a plain switch/hub. I've been using an old 486SX/25 that a school threw out. All it takes is a minimal install, a few ipchains/iptables/pf rules (depending on what's installed), and you're off and running. If you've got the hardware laying around already, it's worth a try. Levi From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 17:08:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA32434 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:08:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA32431 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:08:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18470 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:08:24 -0500 Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA8M800F027204 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:08:00 -0500 Received: from user-33qtse7.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.241.199] helo=localhost.localdomain) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18AHI6-0000SO-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:07:50 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: Slug Subject: [SLUG] SEnding email by Verizon Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:11:23 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211081711.23985.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Several days ago some one posted a partial explanation of what they had to do to send email through Verizon to Earthlink. I would appreciate it if that person could provide a more detail explanation of how they accomplished this. Thanks Frank From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 17:09:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA32447 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:09:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA32442 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:09:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18485 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:09:54 -0500 From: corey@serviceweb.net Received: from cosmos.serviceweb.net (cosmos.serviceweb.net [209.94.121.24]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA8M930F027279 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:09:03 -0500 Received: (qmail 4667 invoked by uid 99); 8 Nov 2002 22:08:54 -0000 Received: from 24.169.140.158 ( [24.169.140.158]) as user corey@serviceweb.net@serviceweb.net by mail.serviceweb.net with HTTP; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:08:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1036793334.3dcc35f6668e1@mail.serviceweb.net> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:08:54 -0500 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers References: <20021108195330.53274.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021108195330.53274.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 24.169.140.158 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I am a fan of the Linksys router. I am currently using the 4 port router dsl/cable switch with wireless AP to support my home network. I have always supported linksys products because I have never had a problem with their products (all my NIC's are Linksys as well) and they have always had support for linux. The web interface is easy to use and allows for up to 10 port ranges to be opened for services running on your boxen. Make sure you get the latest firmware patch for any router you get, they just found a good DOS attack in the older Linksys firmware. Another cool thing about the linksys router is it has it's own dhcp server built in and has an uplink port so you can expand your network as you grow. The wireless AP part of my router allows for up to 32 machines to request access. HTH, Corey Quoting William Coulter : > Since we have had several discussions on internet providers, I thought I ask > about the best > Cable/DSL Router to use? > > I am currently looking at a NetGear Cable/DSL Router w/4 port switch. The > Model #: N100-1340. Is > this a good one? What makes one better than the other? Also, when I read > the description, there > was noting about SSH, SSL(something like that), and SMTP. Are these user > defined or does the > Router have to know how to use them? > > > William > > PS..It was getting nasty about the service providers. I would try not to > piss them off too much. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 17:25:04 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA32612 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:25:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA32609 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:25:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18678 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:25:04 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA8MOV0F028295 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:24:31 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.105] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gA8MOPCB026155 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 17:24:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers From: Matt To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <61896.199.222.4.62.1036794347.squirrel@_default_> References: <20021108195330.53274.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> <1036786848.31964.1037.camel@menix> <61896.199.222.4.62.1036794347.squirrel@_default_> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 08 Nov 2002 17:23:54 -0500 Message-Id: <1036794236.6448.11.camel@slacker> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I also have a BEFSR41 and have never really had any issues with it other then since it has been gaining in popularity, LinkSys has been releasing the firmware upgrades as a Windows executable on the main site. The needed files are available in their ftp for the rest of us at ftp://ftp.linksys.com/pub/befsr41/ There are quite a few on ebay for less then $50 - It's well worth it. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 18:29:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA00804 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:29:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA00797 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:29:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19460 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:29:38 -0500 Received: from hosting40.hispeedhosting.com (hosting40.hispeedhosting.com [66.70.4.5]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA8NSr0F032561 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:28:53 -0500 Received: from stan (tamqfl1-ar9-4-63-111-010.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net [4.63.111.10]) by [66.70.4.59] (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id gA8NSio13201 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:28:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c2877e$a3478e80$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "James Miller" To: References: <001801c2855c$e74d8d60$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <004101c2861a$0adb2180$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> <006001c2866a$86b724c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> <009701c28672$041dc9d0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> Subject: [SLUG] Info you may want to know... Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:28:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi, just thought I might share some "personal opinions" about the St Pete Library situation. I did run a group that meets there twice a month (and still does), for over 1-1/2 years. The people at the library are really good people. Also, if you get a meeting at a local library, they let you put up flyers/posters. Be careful about this; it attacts a lot of "questionable" walk-through traffic, but could boost meeting attentace if a poster was put in the correct location of the library. (IE: the computer sections, by the internet machines, etc.) Flyers at libraries mostly get burned up by people who just use them to write notes on... From past experience, physically walk into the library and talk to the guy in charge of using the rooms. If it's the same guy, that's the best way to acutally get ahold of him, and he'll take you more seriously. James From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 18:29:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA00805 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:29:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA00801 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:29:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19462 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:29:38 -0500 Received: from hosting40.hispeedhosting.com (hosting40.hispeedhosting.com [66.70.4.5]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA8NSs0F032563 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:28:54 -0500 Received: from stan (tamqfl1-ar9-4-63-111-010.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net [4.63.111.10]) by [66.70.4.59] (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id gA8NSjo13204 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:28:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c2877e$a3bd0ca0$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "James Miller" To: References: <001801c2855c$e74d8d60$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <004101c2861a$0adb2180$6701a8c0@dslverizon.net> <006001c2866a$86b724c0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> <001d01c28675$892b3100$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <20021108023538.GC29321@quillandmouse.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Possible St Pete meetings? Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:28:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Extra meetings are always a good thing, but just don't let the membership of the other meetings slip because of a new meeting elsewhere. That's a good way to kill an organization; seen it happen in other groups. Everyone gets spread out over too many small groups, communication drops, and the whole thing comes crashing down. BTW, had a good time at the Brandon meeting. Thanks to everyone for all the help... James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul M Foster" To: Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Possible St Pete meetings? > On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 10:51:28AM -0500, bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > > > > > Also it would be a good Idea if you are interested in starting another SLUG > > meeting > > to get with Paul Foster our President, & Ed Centanni to make sure that you > > have their seal of approval. > > The officers have discussed this from time to time on the Admin list, > and I think we're agreed that a St Pete meeting place would be a good > idea. However, we've also pretty much agreed that beyond St Pete, we > really don't want to add more meeting places; six meetings a month is > quite enough. > > > This will ensure that you are within our guidelines and to insure SLUGS good > > name. > > > > We've also had discussions on this. Some points of importance: 1) Select > a meeting time/date that doesn't interfere with other SLUG meetings. 2) > Don't do anything we could all be sued for later. ;-} 3) If you need > personal pointers, contact me offlist. > > Paul > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 22:08:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA02426 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:08:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA02423 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:08:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21488 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:08:57 -0500 Received: from mail.weberz.com ([66.179.102.102]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA938I0F013474 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:08:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 73124 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2002 03:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO icarus) (65.35.194.54) by mail.weberz.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2002 03:05:18 -0000 From: "Seth Hollen" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:08:01 -0500 Organization: Seth Hollen Message-ID: <000001c2879d$39f8ff30$6a02a8c0@icarus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <20021108195330.53274.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id WAA02424 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I am partial to my SMC 7004VBR (actually I have the wireless version) it has a stateful inspection firewall and is $50 at buy.com Take care, Seth seth@opentechinc.net 727-919-1598 - -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of William Coulter Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 2:54 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers Since we have had several discussions on internet providers, I thought I ask about the best Cable/DSL Router to use? I am currently looking at a NetGear Cable/DSL Router w/4 port switch. The Model #: N100-1340. Is this a good one? What makes one better than the other? Also, when I read the description, there was noting about SSH, SSL(something like that), and SMTP. Are these user defined or does the Router have to know how to use them? William PS..It was getting nasty about the service providers. I would try not to piss them off too much. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0 (Build 294) Beta iQA/AwUBPcx8EGuzNw0sdwQWEQJMlACeNC8iRPf+ivOzXFPqBBoGWDdiTZwAoIMA CRhgfHOJfY/i+BbQLQPDR1Fo =VKlF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 22:10:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA02442 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:10:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA02439 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:10:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21502 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:10:27 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA939V0F013541 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:09:31 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18ALzx-0002GJ-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 19:09:25 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18ALzZ-0008Cj-00 for ; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 22:09:01 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SEnding email by Verizon Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:09:00 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200211081711.23985.sotl155360@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200211081711.23985.sotl155360@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e76b1afaaacbaee1b2e07ffc819e431a420350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I called up earthlink's tech support to figure out how I could send mail via their smtp server. They told me to use smtpauth.earthlink.net, with my username as my full earthlink email address and my password. I use exim to send my mail out, though I'm sure that sendmail or other MTA would work. There's a script for setting up some basic config options called eximconfig (hey!). There's roughly 5 options, then you have to dig into exim.conf to customize for what you need. In exim.conf, there's a ton of options but for me in particular, I send mail via a smarthost (smtpauth.earthlink.net). The thing that killed me was the rewriting part. The default setting sends out mail with a return path to your machine. This allowed me to send out email, but the SLUG list in particular didn't show my mails, which really told me that I still hadn't quite done everything right. So...[1] is the "Rewrite Configuration," and this part basically translates my local user information into my true outgoing email address (from rusty, my local user, to rhires@earthlink.net). In particular, exim looks for a second file called /etc/email-addresses. You just put your local user and that person's true email address there, and then everything was fine and dandy. I read in the Exim docs somewhere that you can telnet to port 25 of the smarthost's smtp server to find out what kinds of encryption it supports. This is important because you don't want to send your username/password out in cleartext. :-) Item [2] is the bottom of the exim.conf file...I uncommented these items, entering my username/pass...and it works just fine! HTH Russell [1] From my exim.conf ###################################################################### # REWRITE CONFIGURATION # ###################################################################### # There are no rewriting specifications in this default configuration file. # This rewriting rule is particularly useful for dialup users who # don't have their own domain, but could be useful for anyone. # It looks up the real address of all local users in a file *@poet.village-smurf.com ${lookup{$1}lsearch{/etc/email-addresses}\ {$value}fail} frFs end [2] From the bottom of the exim.conf file cram_md5: driver = cram_md5 public_name = CRAM-MD5 client_name = client_secret = On Friday 08 November 2002 17:11 pm, you wrote: > Several days ago some one posted a partial explanation of what they had to > do to send email through Verizon to Earthlink. > > I would appreciate it if that person could provide a more detail > explanation of how they accomplished this. > > Thanks > > Frank - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9zHxMAqKGrvVshJQRAvldAKCArYZ6X2/W+iQNXqbQJ5fU75IUAQCg47M7 HB5OlYwbIDl1M6NW9fNWVtw= =vTQM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 23:32:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA03038 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:32:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA03035 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:32:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22295 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:32:27 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA94Vx0F018598 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:32:00 -0500 Received: from 653266hfc186.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.66.186] helo=myduron) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18ANHm-0001Uc-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 20:31:54 -0800 Message-ID: <001601c287a9$03100700$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Mindspring" To: References: <200211081711.23985.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] SEnding email by Verizon Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:32:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 44b05ea7a2d5b6629c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4dc273aaaf85885b300696fbf2748fa1b7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks Russell, It works great in my case I am using Road Runner and when I need to check my mindspring mail I use Road Runner going to pop.mindspring.com then out going I just tried the setting you mentioned works like a charm for the smtp thanks. Bill Preece p.s. Learn something new every day : ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Hires" To: Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] SEnding email by Verizon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I called up earthlink's tech support to figure out how I could send mail via > their smtp server. They told me to use smtpauth.earthlink.net, with my > username as my full earthlink email address and my password. I use exim to > send my mail out, though I'm sure that sendmail or other MTA would work. > There's a script for setting up some basic config options called eximconfig > (hey!). There's roughly 5 options, then you have to dig into exim.conf to > customize for what you need. In exim.conf, there's a ton of options but for > me in particular, I send mail via a smarthost (smtpauth.earthlink.net). > > The thing that killed me was the rewriting part. The default setting sends > out mail with a return path to your machine. This allowed me to send out > email, but the SLUG list in particular didn't show my mails, which really > told me that I still hadn't quite done everything right. So...[1] is the > "Rewrite Configuration," and this part basically translates my local user > information into my true outgoing email address (from rusty, my local user, > to rhires@earthlink.net). In particular, exim looks for a second file called > /etc/email-addresses. You just put your local user and that person's true > email address there, and then everything was fine and dandy. > > I read in the Exim docs somewhere that you can telnet to port 25 of the > smarthost's smtp server to find out what kinds of encryption it supports. > This is important because you don't want to send your username/password out > in cleartext. :-) Item [2] is the bottom of the exim.conf file...I > uncommented these items, entering my username/pass...and it works just fine! > > HTH > > Russell > > [1] From my exim.conf > ###################################################################### > # REWRITE CONFIGURATION # > ###################################################################### > > > # There are no rewriting specifications in this default configuration file. > > > # This rewriting rule is particularly useful for dialup users who > # don't have their own domain, but could be useful for anyone. > # It looks up the real address of all local users in a file > > *@poet.village-smurf.com ${lookup{$1}lsearch{/etc/email-addresses}\ > {$value}fail} frFs > > end > > [2] From the bottom of the exim.conf file > cram_md5: > driver = cram_md5 > public_name = CRAM-MD5 > client_name = > client_secret = > > On Friday 08 November 2002 17:11 pm, you wrote: > > Several days ago some one posted a partial explanation of what they had to > > do to send email through Verizon to Earthlink. > > > > I would appreciate it if that person could provide a more detail > > explanation of how they accomplished this. > > > > Thanks > > > > Frank > > - -- > Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9zHxMAqKGrvVshJQRAvldAKCArYZ6X2/W+iQNXqbQJ5fU75IUAQCg47M7 > HB5OlYwbIDl1M6NW9fNWVtw= > =vTQM > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 8 23:37:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA03085 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:37:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA03082 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:37:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22339 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:37:07 -0500 From: bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA94a20F018865 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:36:02 -0500 Received: from myduron (653266hfc186.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.66.186]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gA94ZufC000949 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:35:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002801c287a9$93c3ca20$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> To: References: <200211081711.23985.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] SEnding email by Verizon Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:36:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Now if you can figure out a way to remote access the news groups the same way that would be awesome. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Hires" To: Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] SEnding email by Verizon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I called up earthlink's tech support to figure out how I could send mail via > their smtp server. They told me to use smtpauth.earthlink.net, with my > username as my full earthlink email address and my password. I use exim to > send my mail out, though I'm sure that sendmail or other MTA would work. > There's a script for setting up some basic config options called eximconfig > (hey!). There's roughly 5 options, then you have to dig into exim.conf to > customize for what you need. In exim.conf, there's a ton of options but for > me in particular, I send mail via a smarthost (smtpauth.earthlink.net). > > The thing that killed me was the rewriting part. The default setting sends > out mail with a return path to your machine. This allowed me to send out > email, but the SLUG list in particular didn't show my mails, which really > told me that I still hadn't quite done everything right. So...[1] is the > "Rewrite Configuration," and this part basically translates my local user > information into my true outgoing email address (from rusty, my local user, > to rhires@earthlink.net). In particular, exim looks for a second file called > /etc/email-addresses. You just put your local user and that person's true > email address there, and then everything was fine and dandy. > > I read in the Exim docs somewhere that you can telnet to port 25 of the > smarthost's smtp server to find out what kinds of encryption it supports. > This is important because you don't want to send your username/password out > in cleartext. :-) Item [2] is the bottom of the exim.conf file...I > uncommented these items, entering my username/pass...and it works just fine! > > HTH > > Russell > > [1] From my exim.conf > ###################################################################### > # REWRITE CONFIGURATION # > ###################################################################### > > > # There are no rewriting specifications in this default configuration file. > > > # This rewriting rule is particularly useful for dialup users who > # don't have their own domain, but could be useful for anyone. > # It looks up the real address of all local users in a file > > *@poet.village-smurf.com ${lookup{$1}lsearch{/etc/email-addresses}\ > {$value}fail} frFs > > end > > [2] From the bottom of the exim.conf file > cram_md5: > driver = cram_md5 > public_name = CRAM-MD5 > client_name = > client_secret = > > On Friday 08 November 2002 17:11 pm, you wrote: > > Several days ago some one posted a partial explanation of what they had to > > do to send email through Verizon to Earthlink. > > > > I would appreciate it if that person could provide a more detail > > explanation of how they accomplished this. > > > > Thanks > > > > Frank > > - -- > Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE9zHxMAqKGrvVshJQRAvldAKCArYZ6X2/W+iQNXqbQJ5fU75IUAQCg47M7 > HB5OlYwbIDl1M6NW9fNWVtw= > =vTQM > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 9 02:55:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA04578 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 02:55:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA04575 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 02:55:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24413 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 02:55:02 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA97sD0F031221 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 02:54:13 -0500 Received: (qmail 92392 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2002 07:53:11 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 9 Nov 2002 07:53:11 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18AQRQ-0001kR-00 for ; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 02:54:04 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 02:54:00 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers Message-ID: <20021109075400.GC2762@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20021108195330.53274.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> <20021108165825.3fe676e0.levi@bard.sytes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021108165825.3fe676e0.levi@bard.sytes.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 04:58:25PM -0500, Levi Bard wrote: > A cheap alternative to a hardware router is an old PC and a plain switch/hub. > I've been using an old 486SX/25 that a school threw out. All it takes is > a minimal install, a few ipchains/iptables/pf rules (depending on what's > installed), and you're off and running. If you've got the hardware laying > around already, it's worth a try. > > Levi I have to second this. I run an old 486 from a floppy distro (Coyote). Only needs a keyboard. You can ssh in and change things, and it's relatively easy to set up. And it's good experience. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 9 09:34:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA07932 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:34:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA07929 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:34:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28425 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:34:18 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA9EXi0F023604 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:33:44 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA04769 for ; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 09:32:48 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c287fc$08bf2c50$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: <20021108195330.53274.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> <20021108165825.3fe676e0.levi@bard.sytes.net> <20021109075400.GC2762@quillandmouse.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:26:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > > A cheap alternative to a hardware router is an old PC and a plain switch/hub. > > I've been using an old 486SX/25 that a school threw out. All it takes is > > a minimal install, a few ipchains/iptables/pf rules (depending on what's > > installed), and you're off and running. If you've got the hardware laying > > around already, it's worth a try. > > > > Levi > > I have to second this. I run an old 486 from a floppy distro (Coyote). > Only needs a keyboard. You can ssh in and change things, and it's > relatively easy to set up. And it's good experience. > > Paul > > I woud third this. It is good experience. Even if you don't have a good concept of firewalls/iptables/etc they have execellent HOWTO's on it.. I have use them and have been up and going in very little time...This site http://ipmasq.cjb.net/ has rules that you just drop in and boot ( almost that simple)..really good resource. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 9 10:27:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA08332 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:27:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA08329 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:27:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28897 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:27:08 -0500 Received: from sbc2.ieshost.com (sbc2.ieshost.com [64.95.200.13]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gA9FPU0F026707 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:25:30 -0500 Received: (qmail 28407 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2002 15:25:17 -0000 Received: from dt023n43.tampabay.rr.com (HELO ws10) (24.92.10.67) by ivbn.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2002 15:25:16 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:25:20 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <20021108195330.53274.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> <20021108165825.3fe676e0.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <20021108165825.3fe676e0.levi@bard.sytes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211091025.20650.steve@itcom.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id KAA08330 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Friday 08 November 2002 16:58, Levi Bard wrote: > A cheap alternative to a hardware router is an old PC and a plain > switch/hub. I've been using an old 486SX/25 that a school threw > out. All it takes is a minimal install, a few > ipchains/iptables/pf rules (depending on what's installed), and > you're off and running. If you've got the hardware laying around > already, it's worth a try. > > Levi Samo, though I would add to use OpenSSH for that as they are more secure and are very nicely optimized. Which makes for cleaner and more efficient rules. -- Steve ___________________________________________________________ HTML in e-mail is not safe. It let's spammers know to spam you more, and sets you up for online attack through IE 4.x and above. Using HTML in e-mail promotes it as safe to the uninitiated. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 9 16:57:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA11099 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:57:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA11096 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:57:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32261 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:57:19 -0500 Received: from pop017.verizon.net (pop017pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.210]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gA9Lut0F017657 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:56:56 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.96.20]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021109215650.JDWN1423.pop017.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:56:50 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:00:15 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20021108195330.53274.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> <20021108165825.3fe676e0.levi@bard.sytes.net> <200211091025.20650.steve@itcom.net> In-Reply-To: <200211091025.20650.steve@itcom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211091700.16042.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop017.verizon.net from [4.47.96.20] at Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:56:50 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 09 November 2002 10:25, you wrote: > On Friday 08 November 2002 16:58, Levi Bard wrote: > > A cheap alternative to a hardware router is an old PC and a plain > > switch/hub. I've been using an old 486SX/25 that a school threw > > out. All it takes is a minimal install, a few > > ipchains/iptables/pf rules (depending on what's installed), and > > you're off and running. If you've got the hardware laying around > > already, it's worth a try. > > > > Levi > > Samo, though I would add to use OpenSSH for that as they are more > secure and are very nicely optimized. Which makes for cleaner and > more efficient rules. Don't you mean Open BSD? (I don't see how openssh would apply here.) Smitty From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 9 19:05:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA11969 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:05:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA11966 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:05:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00810 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:05:19 -0500 Received: from bish.net (dsl-65-185-19-209.telocity.com [65.185.19.209]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAA04l0F025194 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:04:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bish.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA24054 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:59:08 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 14:59:08 -0500 (EST) From: Mark To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] pppoe In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021108195346.00a8a060@pop.tm.net.my> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Why is this even still around? PPPOE is A Bad Thing(tm). Wait. Am I talking again? Just ignore me. I do. On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, TheExploited wrote: > Hi, > Can someone be kind enough to give me a guideline on how to setup > PPPoverEthernet for my slackware?Thanks in advanced. > Victor > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | | 813-253-2197 | Network Engineer | | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 9 19:53:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA12316 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:53:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA12313 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:53:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01190 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:53:20 -0500 Received: from sbc2.ieshost.com (sbc2.ieshost.com [64.95.200.13]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAA0qv0F028013 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:52:58 -0500 Received: (qmail 70044 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2002 00:52:52 -0000 Received: from dt023n43.tampabay.rr.com (HELO ws10) (24.92.10.67) by ivbn.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2002 00:52:52 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:52:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <20021108195330.53274.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> <20021108165825.3fe676e0.levi@bard.sytes.net> <200211091025.20650.steve@itcom.net> In-Reply-To: <200211091025.20650.steve@itcom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211091952.56778.steve@itcom.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id TAA12314 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 09 November 2002 10:25, steve wrote: > On Friday 08 November 2002 16:58, Levi Bard wrote: > > A cheap alternative to a hardware router is an old PC and a > > plain switch/hub. I've been using an old 486SX/25 that a > > school threw out. All it takes is a minimal install, a few > > ipchains/iptables/pf rules (depending on what's installed), and > > you're off and running. If you've got the hardware laying > > around already, it's worth a try. > > > > Levi > > Samo, though I would add to use OpenSSH for that as they are more > secure and are very nicely optimized. Which makes for cleaner and > more efficient rules. Hmm, that should be OpenBSD... -- Steve ___________________________________________________________ HTML in e-mail is not safe. It let's spammers know to spam you more, and sets you up for online attack through IE 4.x and above. Using HTML in e-mail promotes it as safe to the uninitiated. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 9 21:33:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA13066 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:33:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA13063 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:33:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02015 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:33:40 -0500 Received: from pop016.verizon.net (pop016pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.173]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAA2XC0F001473 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:33:12 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.99.66]) by pop016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021110023306.LKCX1630.pop016.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:33:06 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] pppoe Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:36:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211092136.32096.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop016.verizon.net from [4.47.99.66] at Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:33:06 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 09 November 2002 14:59, you wrote: > Why is this even still around? PPPOE is A Bad Thing(tm). PPPoE is still used in the EU for many adsl lines. No info as to why. Smitty > > Wait. Am I talking again? Just ignore me. I do. > > On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, TheExploited wrote: > > Hi, > > Can someone be kind enough to give me a guideline on how to setup > > PPPoverEthernet for my slackware?Thanks in advanced. > > Victor > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | > | 813-253-2197 | Network Engineer | > | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 10 02:34:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA16196 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:34:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA16193 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:34:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04990 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:34:00 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAA7XO0F020051 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:33:24 -0500 Received: (qmail 14506 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2002 07:32:27 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 10 Nov 2002 07:32:27 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Amap-0003d9-00 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:33:15 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:33:11 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] LaTeX and loops Message-ID: <20021110073311.GC11993@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Anyone who knows how to do loops (like for loops) in LaTeX, could you please contact me offlist? (This is way to esoteric for anyone else to be interested.) Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 10 17:11:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA27622 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:11:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA27619 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:11:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12941 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:11:13 -0500 Received: from web20308.mail.yahoo.com (web20308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.89]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAAMAH0F013008 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:10:17 -0500 Message-ID: <20021110221011.96773.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.174.240.67] by web20308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:10:11 PST Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:10:11 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1036793334.3dcc35f6668e1@mail.serviceweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks for the info. How do you like your wireless? I heard that they have virtually no security because of being radio waves? William --- corey@serviceweb.net wrote: > I am a fan of the Linksys router. I am currently using the 4 port router > dsl/cable switch with wireless AP to support my home network. I have always > supported linksys products because I have never had a problem with their > products (all my NIC's are Linksys as well) and they have always had support for > linux. The web interface is easy to use and allows for up to 10 port ranges to > be opened for services running on your boxen. Make sure you get the latest > firmware patch for any router you get, they just found a good DOS attack in the > older Linksys firmware. > > Another cool thing about the linksys router is it has it's own dhcp server built > in and has an uplink port so you can expand your network as you grow. The > wireless AP part of my router allows for up to 32 machines to request access. > > HTH, > Corey > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 10 17:18:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA27677 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:18:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA27674 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:18:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13004 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:18:13 -0500 Received: from web20309.mail.yahoo.com (web20309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.90]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAAMHS0F013460 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:17:29 -0500 Message-ID: <20021110221723.96533.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.174.240.67] by web20309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:17:23 PST Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:17:23 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20021109075400.GC2762@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This would be great if I could keep the 486 up and running all the time. I don't have the space for it. Well, I can't make the space for it. William --- Paul M Foster wrote: > On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 04:58:25PM -0500, Levi Bard wrote: > > > A cheap alternative to a hardware router is an old PC and a plain switch/hub. > > I've been using an old 486SX/25 that a school threw out. All it takes is > > a minimal install, a few ipchains/iptables/pf rules (depending on what's > > installed), and you're off and running. If you've got the hardware laying > > around already, it's worth a try. > > > > Levi > > I have to second this. I run an old 486 from a floppy distro (Coyote). > Only needs a keyboard. You can ssh in and change things, and it's > relatively easy to set up. And it's good experience. > > Paul > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 10 18:31:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA28261 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:31:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA28248 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:31:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13642 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:31:23 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAANUD0F017803 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:30:14 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (117-68.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.68.117]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAANU7fC004408; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:30:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DCEEBFE.4000508@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:30:06 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] PAR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi all: I keep looking, but I haven't found LINUX support for the PAR files used with news message decoding, (replaces missed segments, using raid technology) Has anyone seen heard or used anything? I have no winblows support here and I like it that way, so don't bother suggesting that. -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 10 19:03:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA28508 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:03:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA28505 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:03:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13920 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:03:53 -0500 Received: from spanky.onsyd.com (tamqfl1-ar3-4-64-048-131.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net [4.64.48.131]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAB03Z0F019792 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:03:36 -0500 Received: from karma.onsyd.com (karma.onsyd.com [192.168.0.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by spanky.onsyd.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAB03T0I018946; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:03:29 -0500 From: Syd Alsobrook To: slug@nks.net, Ronald KA4INM Youvan Subject: Re: [SLUG] PAR Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:02:48 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.7 References: <3DCEEBFE.4000508@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3DCEEBFE.4000508@tampabay.rr.com> X-NSA-Trigger: Plutonium President kill infiltrate Fissionable weapons grade NSA CIA (Have a Nice Day) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200211101902.48717.syd@ittagteam.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sunday 10 November 2002 18:30, Ronald KA4INM Youvan wrote: > Hi all: > > I keep looking, but I haven't found LINUX support for > the PAR files used with news message decoding, (replaces > missed segments, using raid technology) > Has anyone seen heard or used anything? > I have no winblows support here and I like it that way, > so don't bother suggesting that. Debian Package http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/parchive.html Source http://parchive.sourceforge.net/ -- ----------- Protect your privacy. http://www.epic.org http://www.gnupg.org From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 10 19:06:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA28539 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:06:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA28528 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:06:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13943 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:06:13 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAB0530F019879 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:05:03 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.104] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAB04t7Z010072 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:04:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers From: Matt To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <20021110221011.96773.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021110221011.96773.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 10 Nov 2002 19:04:13 -0500 Message-Id: <1036973057.19777.1.camel@slacker> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug well there's WEP, not using DHCP, MAC binding, etc - WiFi is not all that bad, even if most leave their WAP wide open. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 10 19:16:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA28626 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:16:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA28615 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:16:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14025 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:16:23 -0500 Received: from pop017.verizon.net (pop017pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.210]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAB0Ex0F020472 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:14:59 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.96.202]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021111001453.OWWN1423.pop017.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:14:53 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] user file question Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:18:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211101918.19621.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop017.verizon.net from [4.47.96.202] at Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:14:53 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have removed two users from /etc/userdb but there is evidently another file with user data in it as these users are still listed on the login menu. Anyone know what other file I should edit? (using suse 8.1) Smitty From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 10 20:22:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA29122 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:22:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA29119 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:22:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14586 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:22:04 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAB1LO0F024440 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:21:25 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (117-68.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.68.117]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAB1LJfC024202; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:21:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DCF060D.1070503@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:21:17 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] PAR References: <3DCEEBFE.4000508@tampabay.rr.com> <200211101902.48717.syd@ittagteam.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks a bunch, I found one that looks promising. >> I keep looking, but I haven't found LINUX support for >>the PAR files used with news message decoding > http://parchive.sourceforge.net 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 10 21:31:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA29768 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:31:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA29765 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:31:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15245 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:31:34 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAB2Ut0F028641 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:30:55 -0500 Received: (qmail 32241 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2002 02:30:03 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2002 02:30:03 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18B4Le-0004qa-00 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:30:46 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:30:42 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] user file question Message-ID: <20021111023042.GA18589@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200211101918.19621.a.smitty@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200211101918.19621.a.smitty@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 07:18:19PM -0500, Smitty wrote: > I have removed two users from /etc/userdb but there is evidently another file > with user data in it as these users are still listed on the login menu. > Anyone know what other file I should edit? > (using suse 8.1) > Smitty I don't know anything about /etc/userdb, but I would imagine that /etc/passwd would need to be cleared, as well as (possibly) /etc/group, and if you have PAM or something, possibly another file (I don't know which for PAM). The deluser and userdel commands should take care of all of this automatically. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 10 21:32:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA29788 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:32:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA29780 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:32:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15257 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:32:54 -0500 Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAB2Vu0F028720 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:31:57 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.108.143]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021111023151.YHPG3265.out001.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:31:51 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] user file question Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:35:17 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200211101918.19621.a.smitty@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200211101918.19621.a.smitty@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211102135.17600.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out001.verizon.net from [4.47.108.143] at Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:31:51 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug And the answer is /etc/passwd On Sunday 10 November 2002 19:18, you wrote: > I have removed two users from /etc/userdb but there is evidently another > file with user data in it as these users are still listed on the login > menu. Anyone know what other file I should edit? > (using suse 8.1) > Smitty From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 10 21:54:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA29973 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:54:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA29970 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:54:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15445 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:54:14 -0500 Received: from pop015.verizon.net (pop015pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.172]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAB2rd0F030036 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:53:39 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.108.143]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021111025334.QPVA28019.pop015.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:53:34 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] user file question Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:57:00 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200211101918.19621.a.smitty@verizon.net> <20021111023042.GA18589@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20021111023042.GA18589@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211102157.00262.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop015.verizon.net from [4.47.108.143] at Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:53:34 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug It turns out that /etc/userdb is an old suse file that is no longer used in 8.1 The command for modifying the /etc/passwd file would be userdel. I have been working on my old box to turn it into a firewall/router. Have had to contend with lots of legacy garbage as above. Interesting bug I found was in startup script where the loading of usb modules can conflict with starting of phase 2 of the SuSEfirewall2. Result is that bootup hangs. On a fast box you just need to reboot, but on a slow box, you need to disable loading of the usb modules. Smitty > > I don't know anything about /etc/userdb, but I would imagine that > /etc/passwd would need to be cleared, as well as (possibly) /etc/group, > and if you have PAM or something, possibly another file (I don't know > which for PAM). The deluser and userdel commands should take care of all > of this automatically. > > Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 10 22:04:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA30083 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:04:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA30080 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:04:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15554 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:04:04 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAB33X0F030668 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:03:34 -0500 Received: (qmail 33113 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2002 03:02:41 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2002 03:02:41 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18B4rF-0004uW-00 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:03:25 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:03:20 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] user file question Message-ID: <20021111030320.GA18837@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200211101918.19621.a.smitty@verizon.net> <20021111023042.GA18589@quillandmouse.com> <200211102157.00262.a.smitty@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200211102157.00262.a.smitty@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 09:57:00PM -0500, Smitty wrote: > It turns out that /etc/userdb is an old suse file that is no longer used in > 8.1 The command for modifying the /etc/passwd file would be userdel. Careful with this. I had a problem a while back, and IIRC, userdel would only kill the user from /etc/passwd. It did not kill the home directory or eliminate it from /etc/group. I believe the deluser command handles all this at once. Some of the way these two commands behave is dependent on how their config files are written. Check the man pages. YMMV. ;-} Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 10 22:26:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA30305 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:26:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA30302 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:26:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15772 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:26:34 -0500 Received: from pop015.verizon.net (pop015pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.172]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAB3Po0F032039 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:25:50 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.108.143]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021111032545.QVFV28019.pop015.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:25:45 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] user file question Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:29:11 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200211101918.19621.a.smitty@verizon.net> <200211102157.00262.a.smitty@verizon.net> <20021111030320.GA18837@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20021111030320.GA18837@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211102229.11257.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop015.verizon.net from [4.47.108.143] at Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:25:44 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sunday 10 November 2002 22:03, you wrote: > On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 09:57:00PM -0500, Smitty wrote: > > It turns out that /etc/userdb is an old suse file that is no longer used > > in 8.1 The command for modifying the /etc/passwd file would be userdel. > > Careful with this. I had a problem a while back, and IIRC, userdel would > only kill the user from /etc/passwd. It did not kill the home directory > or eliminate it from /etc/group. I believe the deluser command handles > all this at once. Some of the way these two commands behave is dependent > on how their config files are written. Check the man pages. YMMV. ;-} > > Paul No deluser on suse 8.1 but according to the man pages userdel will remove the user's home directory and evidently the relevant /etc/passwd info. Smitty From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 10 23:17:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA30725 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:17:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA30722 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:17:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16213 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:17:24 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAB4Gb0F002626 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:16:37 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (70-109.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.109.70]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAB4GV7Z002139 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:16:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] user file question From: Cameron Moore To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20021111030320.GA18837@quillandmouse.com> References: <200211101918.19621.a.smitty@verizon.net> <20021111023042.GA18589@quillandmouse.com> <200211102157.00262.a.smitty@verizon.net> <20021111030320.GA18837@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 10 Nov 2002 23:16:32 -0500 Message-Id: <1036988193.4209.1.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 22:03, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 09:57:00PM -0500, Smitty wrote: > > > It turns out that /etc/userdb is an old suse file that is no longer used in > > 8.1 The command for modifying the /etc/passwd file would be userdel. > > Careful with this. I had a problem a while back, and IIRC, userdel would > only kill the user from /etc/passwd. It did not kill the home directory > or eliminate it from /etc/group. I believe the deluser command handles > all this at once. Some of the way these two commands behave is dependent > on how their config files are written. Check the man pages. YMMV. ;-} Typically, userdel -r will remove the user and the user's directory. Cameron From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 00:53:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA31402 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:53:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA31394 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:53:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17120 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:53:54 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAB5pS0F008387 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:51:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 37173 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2002 05:50:37 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2002 05:50:37 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18B7Tk-0005G0-00; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:51:20 -0500 To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, linux-announce@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: From: "Paul M. Foster" Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:51:20 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* TAMPA **************************************************** 13 November 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd Lakepointe I Building Tampa, FL 33607 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#tampa for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 20 November 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Wednesday of each month) Baker Electronics 8323 Lindbergh Court Sarasota, FL See http://www.bish.net/directions/ DUNEDIN ************************************************** 23 November 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library, 223 Douglas Ave., Community Room A. Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 5 December 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 7 December 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 09:00:37 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA03059 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:00:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA03056 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:00:36 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22104; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:00:35 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA10310; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:00:35 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net, Smitty Subject: Re: [SLUG] pppoe Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:00:35 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200211092136.32096.a.smitty@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200211092136.32096.a.smitty@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211110900.35040.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id JAA03057 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 09 November 2002 21:36, Smitty wrote: > On Saturday 09 November 2002 14:59, you wrote: > > Why is this even still around? PPPOE is A Bad Thing(tm). > > PPPoE is still used in the EU for many adsl lines. No info as to why. > Smitty Carriers can authenticate access and tunnel user data through their network. This is most often done on ATM networks over PVC connections intead of RFC1483 IP over ATM. If you don't give the edge device a customer facing IP address, you can keep a less hackable telemetry/monitoring network completely transparent to the user. Yeah, it's a pain, but there are good arguments FOR such a design. -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 10:16:47 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA03684 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:16:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA03669 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:16:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22945 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:16:45 -0500 Received: from tlh601.lfrg-tlh (x.electronet.net [216.173.169.162] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gABFF30F011078 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:15:04 -0500 Received: from [10.10.12.101] (10.10.12.101 [10.10.12.101]) by tlh601.lfrg-tlh with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id 41PBXBTT; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:05:16 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] dhcp.conf and DNS servers seem OK but Konqueror has name resolution failure From: John Clay To: South- Florida Linux Users Group Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 11 Nov 2002 10:15:28 -0500 Message-Id: <1037027733.1247.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Workstation: RedHat Kernel 2.4.7-10 Problem: Konqueror can't resolve URLs. Troubleshooting so far: * The dhcp server is giving out the correct IP addresses for the DNS servers we are using. * I can ping the DNS servers * Other workstation's browsers can resolve URLs * dhcpcd-eth0.info on the problem Redhat workstation contains the IP addresses for the DNS servers * "ps ax | grep dhcp" yeilds "/sbin/dhcpcd -n -H -R eth0" It seems to me that everything is in order yet there seems to be a disconnect between the information in dhcpcd-eth0.info and Konqueror. Any ideas as to the resolution? Thanks John Clay Tallahassee From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 10:48:16 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA03920 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:48:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA03912 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:48:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23278 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:48:15 -0500 Received: from ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (mail.kingwoodcable.net [24.206.159.247]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gABFlK0F013105 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:47:21 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id 87FD435005E for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:46:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from micro.hef (h65-222-109-126.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.109.126]) by ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 221373500A3 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:46:27 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 27608 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2002 15:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iotcorp.com) (192.168.5.5) by 192.168.5.1 with SMTP; 11 Nov 2002 15:03:28 -0000 Message-ID: <3DCF8B27.4030309@iotcorp.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 05:49:11 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan Organization: Integrated Object Technologies Corp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dhcp.conf and DNS servers seem OK but Konqueror has name resolution failure References: <1037027733.1247.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug John Clay wrote: > Workstation: RedHat Kernel 2.4.7-10 > > Problem: Konqueror can't resolve URLs. > > Troubleshooting so far: > * The dhcp server is giving out the correct IP addresses for the > DNS servers we are using. > * I can ping the DNS servers > * Other workstation's browsers can resolve URLs > * dhcpcd-eth0.info on the problem Redhat workstation contains > the IP addresses for the DNS servers > * "ps ax | grep dhcp" yeilds "/sbin/dhcpcd -n -H -R eth0" > Try using ping on that workstation to see if the workstation resolves the host names to the correct machines. Example: For a URL like http://www.google.com, Try ping www.google.com and see if the machine can be pinged (and what IP address comes-up (ping always shows the numerical IP address before it starts pinging)). --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 11:25:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA04306 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:25:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA04303 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:25:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23787 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:25:35 -0500 Received: from tlh601.lfrg-tlh (x.electronet.net [216.173.169.162] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gABGP20F015552 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:25:02 -0500 Received: from [10.10.12.101] (10.10.12.101 [10.10.12.101]) by tlh601.lfrg-tlh with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id 41PBXBT7; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:15:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] dhcp.conf and DNS servers seem OK but Konqueror has name resolution failure From: John Clay To: South- Florida Linux Users Group In-Reply-To: <3DCF8B27.4030309@iotcorp.com> References: <1037027733.1247.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3DCF8B27.4030309@iotcorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 11 Nov 2002 11:25:28 -0500 Message-Id: <1037031933.1252.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi Ronan; $ ping www.google.com ping: unknown host www.google.com John On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 05:49, Ronan Heffernan wrote: > John Clay wrote: > > Workstation: RedHat Kernel 2.4.7-10 > > > > Problem: Konqueror can't resolve URLs. > > > > Troubleshooting so far: > > * The dhcp server is giving out the correct IP addresses for the > > DNS servers we are using. > > * I can ping the DNS servers > > * Other workstation's browsers can resolve URLs > > * dhcpcd-eth0.info on the problem Redhat workstation contains > > the IP addresses for the DNS servers > > * "ps ax | grep dhcp" yeilds "/sbin/dhcpcd -n -H -R eth0" > > > > > Try using ping on that workstation to see if the workstation resolves > the host names to the correct machines. Example: > For a URL like http://www.google.com, > Try ping www.google.com and see if the machine can be pinged > (and what IP address comes-up (ping always shows the numerical IP > address before it starts pinging)). > > --ronan > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 11:57:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA04612 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:57:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA04604 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:57:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24157 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:57:37 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gABGv40F017588 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:57:05 -0500 Received: from p3866 (5-119.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.119.5]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gABGux1c014095 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:56:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002f01c289a3$5a615d00$0401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Peter S." To: References: <20021110221011.96773.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> <1036973057.19777.1.camel@slacker> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:57:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Good thread. I have worked with several solutions in the past. Using a 486, I ran Coyote for about a year. Cool distro, runs off of a floppy. I also took out the HD and the fan for a more quiet operation. Then you can telnet into it (or SSH) to manage from with in the LAN. Not much use for it when it comes to more complex stuff. Mimimal support for VPN. The guy that turned out Coyote is now working on "Wolverine". More robust, but requires better hardware. Minimum of Pentium with HD or bootable CD ROM (to load in to RAM). Linksys products are good for home networks. Allows for some portforwarding, MAC spoofing (for those annoying DOCIS compliant modems that RR turns out), limited VPN and DMZ stuff (along with some of the other things mentioned). I would suggest that, if you have not already committed to a wireless router/access point, keep your products seperate. The routers and wireless access points have been changing so much in the market, that one other other becomes obsolete with in a year.... they still work fine, but new products are constantly getting marketed so quickly, that the hardware is rapidly become "old stuff". Wireless security has grown by leaps and bounds. My main concern with it now is bandwidth. I don't want a neighbor "leaching" off of my bandwidth, when I download my 500meg files. I would love to get a wireless access point, but don't want to drop that initial investment for the one with the decent encription... and 72meg speed, along with NICs on 6-8 computers. I did alot of research on what exactly I wanted, about 2 years ago, and ended up with a $70 Actron router... not that I highly recommend it, but has some cool subneting, DMZ features. I might play around with the "Wolverine" router next, just to get more familiar with the command line features that it has. If you have a little money to play with... look for a Cisco PIX 501. These have lots of features, DMZ, port forwarding, robust VPN, IDS (intrusion detection), "stateful packet filtering" (let's you "wade" through you logs). You can get one off of E-bay, sometimes, for about $340... they run new at about $450. I use one at work (a PIX 515). We use this for a LAN with about 100 user and have an internet presense with about 6 servers on our DMZ (one at work cost a bit more... $6000). The PIX 515 and the 501 have pretty much all of the same abilities, with the exception of the number of clients and the 501 does not have any "fail over" features. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt" To: "SLUG" Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers > well there's WEP, not using DHCP, MAC binding, etc - WiFi is not all > that bad, even if most leave their WAP wide open. > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 12:09:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA04710 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:09:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA04707 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:09:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24273 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:09:56 -0500 Received: from ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (mail.kingwoodcable.net [24.206.159.247]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gABH900F018305 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:09:00 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id C21A3350075 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:07:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from micro.hef (h65-222-109-126.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.109.126]) by ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0244D350061 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:07:52 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 27734 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2002 16:24:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iotcorp.com) (192.168.5.5) by 192.168.5.1 with SMTP; 11 Nov 2002 16:24:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3DCF9E3C.6010108@iotcorp.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:10:36 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan Organization: Integrated Object Technologies Corp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dhcp.conf and DNS servers seem OK but Konqueror has name resolution failure References: <1037027733.1247.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3DCF8B27.4030309@iotcorp.com> <1037031933.1252.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug John Clay wrote: > Hi Ronan; > > $ ping www.google.com > ping: unknown host www.google.com > > John > Now you know for certain that Konqueror is not part of the problem. Can you send the contents of your /etc/resolv.conf file? I think that the way your dhcp client is supposed to set the DNS server info is by updating /etc/resolv.conf (setting the dhcp-acquired DNS server addresses into /etc/resolv.conf). In the past, I have worked with dhcp clients that worked in this way; I am not aware of any other mechanism for a dhcp client to setup your DNS. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 12:34:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA04903 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:34:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA04900 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:34:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24505 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:34:56 -0500 Received: from sun.local (bdsl.66.13.207.90.gte.net [66.13.207.90]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gABHYS0F019871 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:34:29 -0500 Received: from earth.local (earth [192.168.1.5]) by sun.local (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gABIH2v4012680 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:17:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] dhcp.conf and DNS servers seem OK but Konqueror has name resolution failure From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <3DCF9E3C.6010108@iotcorp.com> References: <1037027733.1247.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3DCF8B27.4030309@iotcorp.com> <1037031933.1252.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3DCF9E3C.6010108@iotcorp.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ieKsfWxQjCc4DKNgyFmo" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 11 Nov 2002 13:28:13 -0500 Message-Id: <1037039294.16158.11.camel@earth> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-ieKsfWxQjCc4DKNgyFmo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 07:10, Ronan Heffernan wrote: > John Clay wrote: >=20 > Now you know for certain that Konqueror is not part of the problem. Can=20 > you send the contents of your /etc/resolv.conf file? I think that the=20 > way your dhcp client is supposed to set the DNS server info is by=20 > updating /etc/resolv.conf (setting the dhcp-acquired DNS server=20 > addresses into /etc/resolv.conf). >=20 > In the past, I have worked with dhcp clients that worked in this way; I=20 > am not aware of any other mechanism for a dhcp client to setup your DNS. If you are running dhcpd, in your /etc/dhcpd.conf there is a place to set your DNS servers. I set mine as such: option domain-name-servers 4.2.2.1, 4.2.2.2; Set the ips to your DNS and remember to end with a ; then restart dhcpd. This will point all of your clients to the DNS server/s. --=20 Logan Tygart Systems Administrator/Analyst/Engineer Registered Linux User 277727 GnuPG A581AC1E ICQ 72101412 1:20pm up 215 days, 53 min, 5 users, load average: 0.91, 0.49, 0.19 --=-ieKsfWxQjCc4DKNgyFmo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA9z/a9N3o1iaWBrB4RAh9fAJ9xxuOU+6P3E4ukZKI5kbT7ZO2STQCgoYWN 3dOIYoUJ3gPf7+g6dMwgzM8= =vk5T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ieKsfWxQjCc4DKNgyFmo-- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 13:01:27 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA05182 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:01:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA05179 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:01:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24790 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:01:26 -0500 Received: from tlh601.lfrg-tlh (x.electronet.net [216.173.169.162] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gABI0Z0F021509 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:00:35 -0500 Received: from [10.10.12.101] (10.10.12.101 [10.10.12.101]) by tlh601.lfrg-tlh with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id 41PBXB4J; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:50:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] dhcp.conf and DNS servers seem OK but Konqueror has name resolution failure From: John Clay To: South- Florida Linux Users Group In-Reply-To: <3DCF9E3C.6010108@iotcorp.com> References: <1037027733.1247.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3DCF8B27.4030309@iotcorp.com> <1037031933.1252.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3DCF9E3C.6010108@iotcorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 11 Nov 2002 13:00:45 -0500 Message-Id: <1037037650.1252.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 07:10, Ronan Heffernan wrote: > John Clay wrote: > > Hi Ronan; > > > > $ ping www.google.com > > ping: unknown host www.google.com > > > > John > > > > Now you know for certain that Konqueror is not part of the problem. Can > you send the contents of your /etc/resolv.conf file? I think that the > way your dhcp client is supposed to set the DNS server info is by > updating /etc/resolv.conf (setting the dhcp-acquired DNS server > addresses into /etc/resolv.conf). > > In the past, I have worked with dhcp clients that worked in this way; I > am not aware of any other mechanism for a dhcp client to setup your DNS. > > --ronan > > > YOU are the best. Thanks for jiggling my mind. It is as you suspected. /etc/resolv.conf contained no nameserver entries, only had "search localdomain" entry. Thanks Much John From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 14:31:47 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA05908 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:31:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA05905 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:31:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25836 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:31:46 -0500 Received: from ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (mail.kingwoodcable.net [24.206.159.247]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gABJUp0F027265 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:30:51 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id 828193500A2 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:29:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from micro.hef (h65-222-109-126.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.109.126]) by ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C31B2350072 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:29:57 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 27952 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2002 18:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iotcorp.com) (192.168.5.5) by 192.168.5.1 with SMTP; 11 Nov 2002 18:47:00 -0000 Message-ID: <3DCFBF8A.6000201@iotcorp.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:32:42 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan Organization: Integrated Object Technologies Corp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dhcp.conf and DNS servers seem OK but Konqueror has name resolution failure References: <1037027733.1247.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3DCF8B27.4030309@iotcorp.com> <1037031933.1252.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3DCF9E3C.6010108@iotcorp.com> <1037037650.1252.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > YOU are the best. Thanks for jiggling my mind. It is as you suspected. > /etc/resolv.conf contained no nameserver entries, only had "search > localdomain" entry. > > Thanks Much > John > You're welcome. But before you hardcode those DNS servers into /etc/resolv.conf, I am pretty sure that the dhcp client software is supposed to put those servers into the /etc/resolv.conf file for you. Of course, hardcoding those values is probably the easiest way to get it working. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 17:36:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA07546 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:36:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA07543 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:36:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28202 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:36:46 -0500 Received: from m10.bos.untd.com (m10.bos.untd.com [64.136.24.73]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gABMZe0F006891 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:35:42 -0500 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"B/KTkup8hhsogrw3EsfvMo8HATBQHzHTZMYzQTNyrCWcLE7qako6gg=="> Received: (from rgrayauto@juno.com) by m10.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HHDAXJJY; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:35:21 EST To: slug@nks.net Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:35:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-ID: <20021111.173508.-252627.0.rgrayauto@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,11-90 From: "r. jas gray" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Dear SLUG: Can you change my email from rgrayauto@juno.com to rgrayauto@ij.net? thanks, ralph On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:51:20 -0500 "Paul M. Foster" writes: > ************************************* > * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * > * Meeting Schedule * > ************************************* > > TAMPA **************************************************** > > 13 November 19:00-21:00 Tampa > (second Wednesday of each month) > PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 > 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd > Lakepointe I Building > Tampa, FL 33607 > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#tampa for > directions. > > SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** > > 20 November 18:00-21:00 Sarasota > (third Wednesday of each month) > Baker Electronics > 8323 Lindbergh Court > Sarasota, FL > > See http://www.bish.net/directions/ > > DUNEDIN ************************************************** > > 23 November 10:00-12:00 Dunedin > (usually fourth Saturday of each month) > Dunedin Public Library, > 223 Douglas Ave., > Community Room A. > Dunedin, FL > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for > directions. > > BRANDON ************************************************** > > 5 December 20:00-22:00 Brandon > (first Thursday of each month) > Brandon Barnes & Noble > Brandon Town Center > Brandon, FL > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for > directions. > > NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** > > 7 December 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey > (first Saturday of each month) > New Port Richey Public Library > (second level meeting rooms) > 5939 Main St. > New Port Richey, FL > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for > directions. > > *********************************************************** > > ACTIVITIES: > > Meetings include: > > 1) Presentation: As indicated. > > 2) Question & Answer Session. > > 3) Raffle and free stuff! > > Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good > cheer! > (And don't forget to start your installs early!) > > > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 17:44:56 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA07625 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:44:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA07622 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:44:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28326 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:44:56 -0500 Received: from sbc2.ieshost.com (sbc2.ieshost.com [64.95.200.13]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gABMiV0F007477 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:44:31 -0500 Received: (qmail 12282 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2002 22:44:14 -0000 Received: from softdnserror (HELO ws10) (24.92.10.67) by ivbn.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2002 22:44:14 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:44:16 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <20021110221011.96773.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021110221011.96773.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211111744.16189.steve@itcom.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id RAA07623 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sunday 10 November 2002 17:10, William Coulter wrote: > Thanks for the info. How do you like your wireless? I heard > that they have virtually no security because of being radio > waves? > > William The protocols being used are not really very secure. Just the other day someone figured out how to use what must be a backdoor to get the admin login information returned from it. Basically many OEM's buy their wireless from this company. This company is the one with this particular flaw. -- Steve ___________________________________________________________ HTML in e-mail is not safe. It let's spammers know to spam you more, and sets you up for online attack through IE 4.x and above. Using HTML in e-mail promotes it as safe to the uninitiated. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 18:24:16 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA08034 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:24:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA08031 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:24:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28801 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:24:16 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gABNNP0F010013 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:23:25 -0500 Received: (qmail 54567 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2002 23:22:38 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2002 23:22:38 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18BNtl-0006xk-00 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:23:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:23:13 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Xandros Desktop Discount Message-ID: <20021111232312.GC26569@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Look up on the For Sale page, and you'll see that Xandros is offering us a _significant_ discount for its desktop software. I just got the message today, and have posted it. Feel free to take advantage of the offer. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 19:45:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA08668 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:45:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA08665 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:45:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29607 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:45:26 -0500 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAC0im0F015074 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:44:49 -0500 Received: from user-33qtsh7.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.242.39] helo=localhost.localdomain) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18BPAY-0005QP-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:44:42 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: Slug Subject: [SLUG] For MS Haters Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:48:20 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211111948.20911.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi All For all the MS haters in the crowd you may have interest in what the establishment - British Establishment that is - thinks of MS. http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1429537 Frank From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 20:07:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA08921 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:07:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA08911 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:07:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29880 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:07:56 -0500 From: dazie@mindspring.com Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAC17F0F016529 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:07:15 -0500 Received: from user-33qts8d.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.241.13] helo=dazieamd450) by smtp6.mindspring.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18BPWH-00042r-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:07:10 -0500 Message-ID: <004e01c289e8$5cde84a0$9fa1fea9@dazieamd450> To: Subject: [SLUG] Re Xandros Desktop Discount Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:10:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug HI all On that 45% discount on Xandros If people want to buy discounted copies, they can use code dcce72d486f2 for 45% try that it should work. Have a great Week Diana From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 20:11:16 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA08959 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:11:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA08956 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:11:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29917 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:11:16 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAC1Al0F016753 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:10:48 -0500 Received: from p3866 (5-119.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.119.5]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAC1Af1c000812 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:10:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000d01c289e8$528d38c0$0401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Peter S." To: References: <20021110221011.96773.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> <200211111744.16189.steve@itcom.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:10:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug http://www.worldwidewardrive.org / One of many sites focusing on "WarDriving". "Of the almost 25,000 wireless access points surveyed, only 35 percent used Service Set Identifier (SSID), a default security feature in the 802.11b protocol. Only 28 percent had Wired Equivalent Privacy (WEP) enabled. Of those using SSID, less than 4 percent also use WEP." ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers > On Sunday 10 November 2002 17:10, William Coulter wrote: > > Thanks for the info. How do you like your wireless? I heard > > that they have virtually no security because of being radio > > waves? > > > > William > > The protocols being used are not really very secure. > > Just the other day someone figured out how to use what must be a > backdoor to get the admin login information returned from it. > > Basically many OEM's buy their wireless from this company. This > company is the one with this particular flaw. > -- > > Steve > ___________________________________________________________ > HTML in e-mail is not safe. It let's spammers know to spam you more, > and sets you up for online attack through IE 4.x and above. > Using HTML in e-mail promotes it as safe to the uninitiated. > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 20:35:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA09130 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:35:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA09127 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:35:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30137 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:35:18 -0500 Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAC1Yh0F018216 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:34:44 -0500 Received: from user-33qtsh7.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.242.39] helo=localhost.localdomain) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18BPwq-000106-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:34:36 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: Slug Subject: [SLUG] Movielink Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:38:15 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211112038.15158.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Five top Hollywood studios opened online box office Movielink on Monday in their first, tentative step to sell blockbuster films like "Ocean's Eleven" on the Web after years of fretting over the copyright piracy now threatening the music business. How difficult would it be to simultaneous play and record into a different file utilizing a different format one of the movies? Frank From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 20:48:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA09250 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:48:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA09247 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:48:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30261 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:48:27 -0500 Received: from web20307.mail.yahoo.com (web20307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.88]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAC1lg0F019018 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:47:43 -0500 Message-ID: <20021112014737.1067.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.174.241.173] by web20307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:47:37 PST Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:47:37 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <002f01c289a3$5a615d00$0401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --- "Peter S." wrote: > Good thread. I have worked with several solutions in the past. Using a > 486, I ran Coyote for about a year. Cool distro, runs off of a floppy. I > also took out the HD and the fan for a more quiet operation. Then you can > telnet into it (or SSH) to manage from with in the LAN. Not much use for it > when it comes to more complex stuff. Mimimal support for VPN. The guy that > turned out Coyote is now working on "Wolverine". More robust, but requires > better hardware. Minimum of Pentium with HD or bootable CD ROM (to load in > to RAM). > ______________________________________________________________________________ I was thinking about this idea at the start, but I am the only user. I am setting up a network at my house so that I can learn this stuff. I really would like a job that deals with networking. I thought that if I have a home network with several different things in it, I would have practice for the job. Where can I find the "wolverine"? I think that I have the hardware for it. ___________________________________________________________________________________ > Linksys products are good for home networks. Allows for some > portforwarding, MAC spoofing (for those annoying DOCIS compliant modems that > RR turns out), limited VPN and DMZ stuff (along with some of the other > things mentioned). I would suggest that, if you have not already committed > to a wireless router/access point, keep your products seperate. The routers > and wireless access points have been changing so much in the market, that > one other other becomes obsolete with in a year.... they still work fine, > but new products are constantly getting marketed so quickly, that the > hardware is rapidly become "old stuff". Wireless security has grown by > leaps and bounds. My main concern with it now is bandwidth. I don't want a > neighbor "leaching" off of my bandwidth, when I download my 500meg files. > I would love to get a wireless access point, but don't want to drop that > initial investment for the one with the decent encription... and 72meg > speed, along with NICs on 6-8 computers. > __________________________________________________________________________________________ What is DMZ? __________________________________________________________________________________________ > I did alot of research on what exactly I wanted, about 2 years ago, and > ended up with a $70 Actron router... not that I highly recommend it, but has > some cool subneting, DMZ features. I might play around with the "Wolverine" > router next, just to get more familiar with the command line features that > it has. If you have a little money to play with... look for a Cisco PIX > 501. These have lots of features, DMZ, port forwarding, robust VPN, IDS > (intrusion detection), "stateful packet filtering" (let's you "wade" through > you logs). You can get one off of E-bay, sometimes, for about $340... they > run new at about $450. I use one at work (a PIX 515). We use this for a > LAN with about 100 user and have an internet presense with about 6 servers > on our DMZ (one at work cost a bit more... $6000). The PIX 515 and the 501 > have pretty much all of the same abilities, with the exception of the number > of clients and the 501 does not have any "fail over" features. > _______________________________________________________________________________________ The Cisco PIX 501 or 515 would be great if I had the money for it. William __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 20:52:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA09290 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:52:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA09283 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:52:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30320 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:52:57 -0500 Received: from web20304.mail.yahoo.com (web20304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.85]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAC1pm0F019293 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:51:48 -0500 Message-ID: <20021112015143.44154.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.174.241.173] by web20304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:51:43 PST Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 17:51:43 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211111744.16189.steve@itcom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug That is why I don't do wireless. There are way, way too many flaws for any hacker to get in to the system and cause havoc. So why are all of the major companies making and pushing everybody to buy wireless? William --- steve wrote: > On Sunday 10 November 2002 17:10, William Coulter wrote: > > Thanks for the info. How do you like your wireless? I heard > > that they have virtually no security because of being radio > > waves? > > > > William > > The protocols being used are not really very secure. > > Just the other day someone figured out how to use what must be a > backdoor to get the admin login information returned from it. > > Basically many OEM's buy their wireless from this company. This > company is the one with this particular flaw. > -- > > Steve __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 21:02:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA09380 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:02:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA09372 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:02:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30414 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:02:58 -0500 Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAC22G0F019949 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:02:16 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.97.31]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021112020210.DOZJ2867.out002.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:02:10 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:05:37 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20021112015143.44154.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021112015143.44154.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211112105.37502.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out002.verizon.net from [4.47.97.31] at Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:02:10 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 11 November 2002 20:51, you wrote: > That is why I don't do wireless. There are way, way too many flaws for any > hacker to get in to the system and cause havoc. > > So why are all of the major companies making and pushing everybody to buy > wireless? It is a profit center and an emerging technology with higher margins than established technologies. Smitty > > William > > --- steve wrote: > > On Sunday 10 November 2002 17:10, William Coulter wrote: > > > Thanks for the info. How do you like your wireless? I heard > > > that they have virtually no security because of being radio > > > waves? > > > > > > William > > > > The protocols being used are not really very secure. > > > > Just the other day someone figured out how to use what must be a > > backdoor to get the admin login information returned from it. > > > > Basically many OEM's buy their wireless from this company. This > > company is the one with this particular flaw. > > -- > > > > Steve > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 21:13:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA09464 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:13:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA09461 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:13:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30505 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:13:17 -0500 Received: from pop015.verizon.net (pop015pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.172]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAC2D30F020590 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:13:03 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.97.31]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021112021257.ZONQ28019.pop015.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:12:57 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Movielink Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:16:24 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200211112038.15158.sotl155360@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200211112038.15158.sotl155360@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211112116.24276.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop015.verizon.net from [4.47.97.31] at Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:12:57 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 11 November 2002 20:38, you wrote: > LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Five top Hollywood studios opened online box office > Movielink on Monday in their first, tentative step to sell blockbuster > films like "Ocean's Eleven" on the Web after years of fretting over the > copyright piracy now threatening the music business. "Piracy" is a term that has its origins in an entertainment cartel pr firm using the propaganda by redefinition of words ploy. They don't want to call it what it is, unlicensed copying. Piracy has connotations of desparate seaborne bandits disposed to rape, pillage and hijack. Actually, this describes the characters who run the major recording companies far more so than some adolescent geek ripping mp3s because he doesn't make the income his dad does and he is attempting to acquire those very things that the entertainment cartel has promoted as highly desirable, but ironically, not affordable to a large sector of their targeted public. > > How difficult would it be to simultaneous play and record into a different > file utilizing a different format one of the movies? You would need conversion utilities and a large enough buffer cache to handle the feed. Smitty > > Frank From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 21:31:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA09639 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:31:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA09636 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:31:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30680 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:31:07 -0500 Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAC2UG0F021649 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:30:16 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18BQoY-0000Ot-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:30:06 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18BQoN-0007mW-00 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:29:55 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Data structures Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:29:53 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e760481c10d467bdcd62bf9a7375aa99ae9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey Everyone, I've been doing some exploring on the net about data structures. EVERY tutorial/explanation/what-have-you tells you what they are, how they work, etc., but they do not under any circumstances tell you what you would use them for...why would I use a stack, or a linked list, or whatever? They also don't say how to use them in {programming language}. This has been quite frustrating. Can anyone give me a hint, or point me to some documentation that talks about why you'd want to use a given data structure? Russell - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE90GehAqKGrvVshJQRAnUmAKDP2TuEE4j8g2iwp/7l9XjehKDsUwCg6EmV ef1bpM2xNjMkmgzCONdi3fE= =Hott -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 22:06:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA09942 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:06:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09939 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:06:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31026 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:06:57 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAC36L0F023900 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:06:21 -0500 Received: (qmail 18394 invoked by uid 508); 12 Nov 2002 03:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.148.96) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 12 Nov 2002 03:05:56 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.29] (helo=[192.168.2.29] ident=[l73PcTZMrW6ZBSRAeqdAZav8oaO4X902]) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 18BRN0-0007hD-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:05:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:02:13 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Data structures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hmm.. "Data Structures in C" is one of the books that USF used for it's course in data strucutures.. I don't remember if it was good or not but I can't remember the name of the book I used.. The C++ STL (Standard Template Library) has some common data structures implemented in it.. so does the Java 2 SDK.. Just dropping "Data Structures" into google brings up some books and also some college course web sites.. Jason On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Russell Hires wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hey Everyone, > > I've been doing some exploring on the net about data structures. EVERY > tutorial/explanation/what-have-you tells you what they are, how they work, > etc., but they do not under any circumstances tell you what you would use > them for...why would I use a stack, or a linked list, or whatever? They also > don't say how to use them in {programming language}. This has been quite > frustrating. Can anyone give me a hint, or point me to some documentation > that talks about why you'd want to use a given data structure? > > Russell > - -- > Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE90GehAqKGrvVshJQRAnUmAKDP2TuEE4j8g2iwp/7l9XjehKDsUwCg6EmV > ef1bpM2xNjMkmgzCONdi3fE= > =Hott > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- "Without documentation you can never know what the code was meant to do, only what it does" -- Rik van Riel (#kernelnewbies) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 22:22:48 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA10087 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:22:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA10084 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:22:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31174 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:22:47 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAC3MK0F024891 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:22:20 -0500 Received: from 653266hfc186.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.66.186] helo=myduron) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18BRcs-0003uC-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:22:06 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c289fa$c2c64c00$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Mindspring" To: References: <200211112038.15158.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Movielink Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:22:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 44b05ea7a2d5b6629c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d161eb2122692748deaa42f780015c783350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Well if you have a card like the ATI ALL in Wonder Radeon 7500, 8500 you can run the line out to your VCR and record while it is playing. How ever though to run it in a high enough resolution to make it full screen it is very nasty looking blurry and blotchy. So it is ok if you are only running half screen size at max on a Computer Monitor. So quality maybe on a scale from 1-10 you will get a 6 you be the judge. OBTW you have to download the movie so if you have broadband you have about a hour to 2 hours as ZDnet reported. On a T1 then you can in about 30 min. This is nothing that is worth while yet however this is their attempt to stop p2p sharing. The only other thing is I heard that they are using Microsoft's ASF format for these as well. and after 24 hours the file will delete it's self. Bill Preece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Roberts - SOTL" To: "Slug" Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:38 PM Subject: [SLUG] Movielink > LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Five top Hollywood studios opened online box office > Movielink on Monday in their first, tentative step to sell blockbuster films > like "Ocean's Eleven" on the Web after years of fretting over the copyright > piracy now threatening the music business. > > How difficult would it be to simultaneous play and record into a different > file utilizing a different format one of the movies? > > Frank From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 23:11:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA10439 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:11:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA10436 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:11:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31605 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:11:27 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAC4AQ0F027798 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:10:26 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (117-68.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.68.117]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAC4AJCB017330; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:10:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DD07F29.3000606@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 04:10:17 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings References: <20021111.173508.-252627.0.rgrayauto@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug No I can't. r. jas gray wrote: > Dear SLUG: > > Can you change my email from rgrayauto@juno.com to > rgrayauto@ij.net? > > thanks, > > ralph > > > On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 00:51:20 -0500 "Paul M. Foster" > writes: > >> ************************************* >> * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * >> * Meeting Schedule * >> ************************************* >> >>TAMPA **************************************************** >> >> 13 November 19:00-21:00 Tampa >> (second Wednesday of each month) >> PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 >> 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd >> Lakepointe I Building >> Tampa, FL 33607 >> >> See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#tampa for >>directions. >> >>SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** >> >> 20 November 18:00-21:00 Sarasota >> (third Wednesday of each month) >> Baker Electronics >> 8323 Lindbergh Court >> Sarasota, FL >> >> See http://www.bish.net/directions/ >> >>DUNEDIN ************************************************** >> >> 23 November 10:00-12:00 Dunedin >> (usually fourth Saturday of each month) >> Dunedin Public Library, >> 223 Douglas Ave., >> Community Room A. >> Dunedin, FL >> >> See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for >>directions. >> >>BRANDON ************************************************** >> >> 5 December 20:00-22:00 Brandon >> (first Thursday of each month) >> Brandon Barnes & Noble >> Brandon Town Center >> Brandon, FL >> >> See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for >>directions. >> >>NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** >> >> 7 December 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey >> (first Saturday of each month) >> New Port Richey Public Library >> (second level meeting rooms) >> 5939 Main St. >> New Port Richey, FL >> >> See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for >>directions. >> >>*********************************************************** >> >>ACTIVITIES: >> >> Meetings include: >> >> 1) Presentation: As indicated. >> >> 2) Question & Answer Session. >> >> 3) Raffle and free stuff! >> >> Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good >>cheer! >> (And don't forget to start your installs early!) >> >> >> >> > -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 23:13:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA10462 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:13:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA10459 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:13:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31626 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:13:37 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAC4Cm0F027956 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:12:48 -0500 Received: from hadron (6532243hfc37.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.37]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAC4Cg7Z007488 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:12:43 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Eric Herrera To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Data structures Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:12:35 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211112312.35218.me@ericherrera.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id XAA10460 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Russell, I like exploring and building various data structures as well; sometimes just for the fun of it. :) It's really satisfying to find the most efficient structure for your data. "Data structure" is a generic term. And can be elaborated in many aspects. most prominent languages allow for generic structuring. to your direct question: -a stack would come in handy for items which need to be queued. A linked-list would be useful when storing a data list of an unknown length. I know that was a simplistic explanation, but I hope it helps. Here's a few links on the subject: http://www.nist.gov/dads/ http://cslibrary.stanford.edu/103/ http://www.inversereality.org/tutorials/c++/linkedlists.html http://ciips.ee.uwa.edu.au/~morris/Year2/PLDS210/ds_ToC.html -Eric On Monday 11 November 2002 9:29 pm, you wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hey Everyone, > > I've been doing some exploring on the net about data structures. EVERY > tutorial/explanation/what-have-you tells you what they are, how they work, > etc., but they do not under any circumstances tell you what you would use > them for...why would I use a stack, or a linked list, or whatever? They > also don't say how to use them in {programming language}. This has been > quite frustrating. Can anyone give me a hint, or point me to some > documentation that talks about why you'd want to use a given data > structure? > > Russell > - -- > Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE90GehAqKGrvVshJQRAnUmAKDP2TuEE4j8g2iwp/7l9XjehKDsUwCg6EmV > ef1bpM2xNjMkmgzCONdi3fE= > =Hott > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Eric Herrera, From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 23:16:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA10514 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:16:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA10511 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:16:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31661 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:16:27 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAC4FI0F028121 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:15:18 -0500 Received: from hadron (6532243hfc37.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.37]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAC4FCCB019294 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:15:12 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Eric Herrera To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Data structures Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:15:05 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211112315.05523.me@ericherrera.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id XAA10512 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Jason, Im new to the area. How good is USF's CS program? On Monday 11 November 2002 11:02 pm, you wrote: > Hmm.. "Data Structures in C" is one of the books that USF used for it's > course in data strucutures.. I don't remember if it was good or not but I > can't remember the name of the book I used.. The C++ STL (Standard > Template Library) has some common data structures implemented in it.. so > does the Java 2 SDK.. Just dropping "Data Structures" into google brings > up some books and also some college course web sites.. > > > Jason > > On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Russell Hires wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > I've been doing some exploring on the net about data structures. EVERY > > tutorial/explanation/what-have-you tells you what they are, how they > > work, etc., but they do not under any circumstances tell you what you > > would use them for...why would I use a stack, or a linked list, or > > whatever? They also don't say how to use them in {programming language}. > > This has been quite frustrating. Can anyone give me a hint, or point me > > to some documentation that talks about why you'd want to use a given data > > structure? > > > > Russell > > - -- > > Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > > iD8DBQE90GehAqKGrvVshJQRAnUmAKDP2TuEE4j8g2iwp/7l9XjehKDsUwCg6EmV > > ef1bpM2xNjMkmgzCONdi3fE= > > =Hott > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Eric Herrera, From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 11 23:44:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA10717 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:44:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA10714 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:44:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31917 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:44:07 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAC4hR0F029844 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:43:28 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18BStW-00050p-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:43:22 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18BStL-0003Ds-00 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:43:11 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Data structures Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:43:10 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200211112312.35218.me@ericherrera.com> In-Reply-To: <200211112312.35218.me@ericherrera.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e76d789d6e16c453db2c56e333e644a9a8f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This is my problem that I come across for most sites: STACK "Definition: A collection of items in which only the most recently added item may be removed. The latest added item is at the top. Basic operations are push and pop. Also known as "last-in, first-out" or LIFO. " And my response: "Okay, great! What do you use it for?" or "So what?" This simply says what a stack is, but nothing more. What would you push or pop? And why would you? The only "data structure" that I get is the queue, and only in one context: mouse clicks. You point and click on several items in a sequence, and the queue processes them in the order that you clicked them. Russell On Monday 11 November 2002 23:12 pm, you wrote: > Russell, > > I like exploring and building various data structures as well; sometimes > just for the fun of it. :) It's really satisfying to find the most > efficient structure for your data. "Data structure" is a generic term. And > can be elaborated in many aspects. most prominent languages allow for > generic structuring. to your direct question: -a stack would come in handy > for items which need to be queued. A linked-list would be useful when > storing a data list of an unknown length. > > I know that was a simplistic explanation, but I hope it helps. > > Here's a few links on the subject: > http://www.nist.gov/dads/ > > http://cslibrary.stanford.edu/103/ > > http://www.inversereality.org/tutorials/c++/linkedlists.html > > http://ciips.ee.uwa.edu.au/~morris/Year2/PLDS210/ds_ToC.html > > -Eric > > On Monday 11 November 2002 9:29 pm, you wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hey Everyone, > > > > I've been doing some exploring on the net about data structures. EVERY > > tutorial/explanation/what-have-you tells you what they are, how they > > work, etc., but they do not under any circumstances tell you what you > > would use them for...why would I use a stack, or a linked list, or > > whatever? They also don't say how to use them in {programming language}. > > This has been quite frustrating. Can anyone give me a hint, or point me > > to some documentation that talks about why you'd want to use a given data > > structure? > > > > Russell > > - -- > > Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > > iD8DBQE90GehAqKGrvVshJQRAnUmAKDP2TuEE4j8g2iwp/7l9XjehKDsUwCg6EmV > > ef1bpM2xNjMkmgzCONdi3fE= > > =Hott > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD4DBQE90IbeAqKGrvVshJQRAgBcAJdDujV9CSjHFMT8z0uWonoYbsUsAJ4m2TKP cRbyvLY7ud4LST7IGXzSqA== =WzFH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 00:13:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA10979 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:13:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA10976 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:13:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32229 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:13:07 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAC5Cg0F031666 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:12:42 -0500 Received: (qmail 61468 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2002 05:11:55 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 12 Nov 2002 05:11:55 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18BTLl-0007xG-00 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:12:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:12:29 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Data structures Message-ID: <20021112051229.GB30535@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 09:29:53PM -0500, Russell Hires wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hey Everyone, > > I've been doing some exploring on the net about data structures. EVERY > tutorial/explanation/what-have-you tells you what they are, how they work, > etc., but they do not under any circumstances tell you what you would use > them for...why would I use a stack, or a linked list, or whatever? Why you use them obviously depends on what kind of problem you want to solve. Program long enough, and you'll find a use for each of them. For example, a linked list is probably one of the most used data structures. Let's say you're reading lines from a file, and you want to read them all in, and then do something to each of the lines after the file's all read. Not knowing how many lines are in the file without reading them first, you can't really declare an array of strings, because you don't know how many to allocate. You could just allocate 1000, but if there are only 100 lines, it's a waste. And if there are 10000, you're screwed. The solution is a linked list. Every time you read a line, you make a new linked list structure. That structure contains the line you read (or a pointer to it), and a pointer or link to the last linked list structure you allocated. So each structure points to the next one. When you're all done reading the file, you can go to the top of the linked list and process the first line. When you're done with that one, you just follow its link to the next one. Then you process that line. And so on. I'm afraid you're going to have to stand in front of the programming books section at the bookstore, and pore over what's there, to find one that really goes into all this. Many programming books assume you know what these things are, and why you'd use them. They simply show you the implementation details in the language of your choice. But there _are_ books out there (a little more elementary than the rest) which give examples of using queues, stacks, deques, linked lists and the lot. I coulda sworn I had a copy of _Data Structures In C_ around here, but I don't see it. The other tip I'd give is to find a book that explains these things in the language you're pursuing. Trying to get through a treatise on data structures in Pascal when you're coding in C is a bear. If you get stuck, you could probably contact me or Ronan (if he's willing) or any of a number of other people offlist for assistance. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 00:53:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA11269 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:53:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA11266 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:53:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32688 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:53:57 -0500 From: bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAC5rI0F001759 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:53:19 -0500 Received: from myduron (653266hfc186.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.66.186]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAC5rC1c005563 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:53:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001601c28a0f$decb4080$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> To: Subject: [SLUG] First Aol Computer Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:53:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey folks, Though I am by no means a AOL fan and now especially since I now do tech Support for their DSL users one of the Guys training us brought this to my attention and they are very anxious on this http://www.msnbc.com/news/813350.asp?cp1=1 It seems that AOL and Lindows is trying to strike a deal. To make the Walmart $299.00 PC and Load it with AOL settings. This may help the popularity take off how ever if the Xandros Distro is as good as Tina Gasperson wrote about then Perhaps they should look into that instead being loaded on the Wal-Mart Pc's Then they make a huge move forward to strike up more interest. I was trying to see if there was a write up on the Lindows AOL stuff on Newsforge but the search was down. Sorry if I am late to this news and if it may have already been covered. Any ways where I just started at they want to test some other Linux stuff this could be interesting. We will see. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 01:02:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA11341 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:02:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA11338 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:02:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00306 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:02:07 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAC61Z0F002268 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:01:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:QSNXwXKEYPzKwhM6G64bfJBMm5LC3EIv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAC61Td15752 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:01:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:01:29 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: Slug List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Data structures In-Reply-To: <20021112051229.GB30535@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > I've been doing some exploring on the net about data structures. EVERY > > tutorial/explanation/what-have-you tells you what they are, how they work, > > etc., but they do not under any circumstances tell you what you would use > > them for...why would I use a stack, or a linked list, or whatever? Knuth, The Art of Computer Programming, vol II, (from memory) will pedanticly lead you through sorting theory. The question of which to use where depends on: size -- will a linear search work, or is extreme hashing needed to minimize seeks growth -- is it a list of 60k zipcodes and relatively static, or 80M telephone numbers, with 10% changing each year, and growing at 5% pA speed -- is encoding needed/useful to control data store size, or is fast (deterministic) access needed We might accept a linear search and pushes and pops off a single stack in ram in writing a single threaded Forth interpreter on a stand alone machine; The host presenting the SLUG website has also been handling the 'distrowatch' website as the prime site and reference rsync mirror recently. This requires lots of parallel searches into the data store (here webpages and filesystem) to manage the load acceptably, and I've been tuneing and watching it pretty carefully. The course notes at http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~novik/cs3133/ go into design considerations in the lecture notes to some degree. A nice speed vs. complexity analysis is at: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~novik/cs3133/notes/lect07.html -- Russ Herrold From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 03:46:47 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id DAA12548 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 03:46:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA12545 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 03:46:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01940 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 03:46:47 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAC8k40F012386 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 03:46:04 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.104] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAC8juCB007700 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 03:45:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] First Aol Computer From: Matt To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <001601c28a0f$decb4080$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> References: <001601c28a0f$decb4080$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 12 Nov 2002 03:45:07 -0500 Message-Id: <1037090711.2044.33.camel@slacker> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This would actually be AOL's second deal with a linux powered device. The first one was an internet device (quite nice btw) sold by Gateway called the Gateway Connected Touchpad. 400MHz Transmeta CPU, 64MB RAM, 32MB CF, 56k+NIC, 2 USB - over all it was really nice hardware-wise. AOL/Gateway pulled it from the shelves after a watchdog group I was working with went public with their GPL violations. The orignal copy of the extracted client can be found at sf.net/projects/textbox and pictured of the device internals over at free.freespeech.org/cotn/gct I'll give AOL a little credit with the hardware used, if you can find a Touchpad on eBay or online they make great eMail/www/MP3 terminals. The speakers can sound a little "tinny" with streaming internet audio but sound great playing files local or via smb. Do I want to see low costing linux solutions in new computer users homes? Very much so. I thought it was pretty cool to see WalMart offer MicroTel computers loaded with a _few_ different distros or none at all even. As a side note, I feel your Software Spectrum pains. I served a year and a half there and pretty much has my fill when I was training a class and was reprimanded for advising that agents offer solutions other then do the first two things in Sherlock then dump the call to Member Benefits. There is no such thing as ethical work there, so try not to get too frustrated... -- Matt Textbox Networks On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 00:53, bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > Hey folks, > Though I am by no means a AOL fan and now especially since I now do tech > Support for their DSL users > one of the Guys training us brought this to my attention and they are very > anxious on this http://www.msnbc.com/news/813350.asp?cp1=1 > > It seems that AOL and Lindows is trying to strike a deal. To make the > Walmart $299.00 PC and Load it with AOL settings. This may help the > popularity take off how ever if the Xandros Distro is as good as Tina > Gasperson wrote about then Perhaps they should look into that instead being > loaded on the Wal-Mart Pc's > Then they make a huge move forward to strike up more interest. > > I was trying to see if there was a write up on the Lindows AOL stuff on > Newsforge but the search was down. > Sorry if I am late to this news and if it may have already been covered. > > Any ways where I just started at they want to test some other Linux stuff > this could be interesting. > > We will see. > > > > > -- Matthew Textbox Networks matthew@textbox.net From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 07:32:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA14657 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:32:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA14649 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:32:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04446 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:32:28 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gACCVk0F026816 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:31:46 -0500 Received: (qmail 32241 invoked by uid 508); 12 Nov 2002 12:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.148.96) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 12 Nov 2002 12:31:22 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=jcopenha) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 18BaC8-0000Ak-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:31:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:31:04 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Data structures In-Reply-To: <200211112312.35218.me@ericherrera.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Eric Herrera wrote: > Russell, > > I like exploring and building various data structures as well; sometimes just > for the fun of it. :) It's really satisfying to find the most efficient > structure for your data. "Data structure" is a generic term. And can be > elaborated in many aspects. most prominent languages allow for generic > structuring. to your direct question: -a stack would come in handy for items > which need to be queued. A linked-list would be useful when storing a data a quick nit here.. "a stack would come in handy for items which need to be queued" .. you would probably use a queue for such a case =) ... Jason From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 07:33:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA14668 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:33:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA14665 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:33:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04456 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:33:38 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gACCWv0F026927 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:32:58 -0500 Received: (qmail 32331 invoked by uid 508); 12 Nov 2002 12:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.148.96) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 12 Nov 2002 12:32:50 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=jcopenha) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 18BaDY-0000An-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:32:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:32:32 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Data structures In-Reply-To: <200211112315.05523.me@ericherrera.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I completed it last year... I was rather happy with it..There is a lot of robotics and image processing going on at the research level..They are still working on getting a large campus community though.. There aren't a lot of active student orgs related to computers... Jason On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Eric Herrera wrote: > Jason, > > Im new to the area. How good is USF's CS program? > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 07:36:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA14701 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:36:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA14688 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:36:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04491 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:36:18 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gACCZ00F027058 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:35:01 -0500 Received: (qmail 32480 invoked by uid 508); 12 Nov 2002 12:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.148.96) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 12 Nov 2002 12:34:53 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=jcopenha) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 18BaFX-0000Aq-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:34:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:34:35 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Data structures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Here's an example of a stack.. Any time you need to backtrack.. such as you are going through a maze and you come to a point where there is a left and a right turn... you take the right turn and push the left turn on the stack.. once you find out the right turn is a dead end you can pop the left turn off the stack and through away the dead end branch of the maze.. Jason On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Russell Hires wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > This is my problem that I come across for most sites: > > STACK > "Definition: A collection of items in which only the most recently added item > may be removed. The latest added item is at the top. Basic operations are > push and pop. Also known as "last-in, first-out" or LIFO. " > > And my response: "Okay, great! What do you use it for?" or "So what?" This > simply says what a stack is, but nothing more. What would you push or pop? > And why would you? The only "data structure" that I get is the queue, and > only in one context: mouse clicks. You point and click on several items in a > sequence, and the queue processes them in the order that you clicked them. > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 07:43:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA14765 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:43:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA14762 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:43:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04554 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:43:58 -0500 Received: from dt2.gschmidt.net (6535161hfc60.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.161.60]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACChB0F027549 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:43:11 -0500 Received: by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E4F9D2AE75; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CF87CCA for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:37:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:37:39 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Schmidt To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers In-Reply-To: <200211112105.37502.a.smitty@verizon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Smitty wrote: > On Monday 11 November 2002 20:51, William Coulter wrote: > > That is why I don't do wireless. There are way, way too many flaws for any > > hacker to get in to the system and cause havoc. > > > > So why are all of the major companies making and pushing everybody to buy > > wireless? > > It is a profit center and an emerging technology with higher margins than > established technologies. > Smitty It can also be very dang handy. Imagine the conference/training rooms in many offices. You could buy a bunch of extra CatV switch ports that will go unused most of the time to wire up those rooms. That's expensive. If you don't buy those extra switches, some poor LAN admin is at the patch panel trying to figure out whose desk they can unplug to get the meeting room wired when you have an event. That hardly ever goes smoothly. The clients don't want to crawl on the floor in the meeting room to get plugged in. They want these nifty fixtures on the sides or tops of the tables with easy access. That means wiring the tables. Often, it means a cheap hub bolted to the bottom of the table and that might not deliver the streaming media message from the CEO with the quality you hoped. And then they want to move the tables into "U"s and circles and rows, so some poor LAN admin is moving furniture and patching cables. Since they seldom learn how the people holding the meeting want the room configured ahead of time, it often happens that the first 20 minutes of your meeting are spent moving furniture and patch cords and trouble-shooting layer 1 problems. I've seen people (Maybe they were sometimes women in skirts.) so loath to get on the floor and plug in that they let their laptop batteries go dead. If we could get batteries that last a week and recharge in half an hour, or could deliver power over the air along with the network signal, that would be REALLY cool. If you have copper network ports on the tables, they need AC/DC bricks. Those go missing. The cost of buying spare bricks is trivial compared to the lost productivity when some poor LAN admin finally figures out they need to unwrap another new brick. If you have a bunch of CatV network jacks spread across the floor of a large room, ladies' high heels can poke into them. The network jack is broken. Her shoe might be broken. Hopefully, her ankle is fine. I once saw where someone trying to be helpful had pulled a broken jack out of the floor and twisted all the wires tightly together. I don't know if they didn't want the Token to get out or if they were trying to keep the bits from escaping into the Ether. Somehow, spanning tree didn't cut it, and having all the LEDs on ALL the switches blinking in unison is only an attractive or amusing sight in retrospect. (The LEDs seemed to be the only functional aspect of the switches at the time.) If network and power jacks in the floor aren't part of original construction retro-fitting them can be very expensive. Core drills through concrete floors are messy and noisy. Carpet might need to be replaced. With some construction techniques you need to X-ray the floor to decide where to drill. If you're not leasing the floor below you need to inconvenience, and coordinate activities with, one of your landlord's other tenants. Decent floor jack hardware costs much more than wall jack hardware and many cable jobs are bid, or at least evaluated by folks who might approve your project budget, as dollars/drop. If you give up on jacks in the floor and keep them on the walls, a large room will still have a bunch of cable running around posing tripping hazards. Hazards to both your clients and their network. Conference room problems aside, a wireless connection can be good because it is persistent, even if it is a little slower. Someone can carry their laptop from their desk to some other office or a conference room, stop by the water cooler, realize their meeting is going to start five minutes late so go get a cup of coffee (and make it 10 minutes late), and all the while they are downloading their email. Wireless can be a very good solution for situations where people don't super-glue their laptops to their desks. Finally, while sending your data through the air makes you more susceptible to sniffing than sending across fiber or copper, it CAN be done with reasonable security. Encrypt. Don't rely on the rather inadequate security measures that come with the wireless products. Encrypt everything you send before you ever drop it on any layer 1 medium and your wired part of the network will be more secure too. Let the black hats get their Pringles cans and listen to your gibberish. And to bring this back on to topic for this list, open-source solutions for encrypting your transmitted data are superior. The patch cord leash can be a real pain. Though it's far from perfect, and it doesn't fit every situation, there is a good business case for wireless. Apologizing for my ranting, Greg From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 07:54:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA14855 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:54:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA14852 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:54:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04638 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:54:28 -0500 Received: from ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (mail.kingwoodcable.net [24.206.159.247]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACCrj0F028169 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:53:46 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id F320C350046 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 06:52:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from micro.hef (h65-222-109-126.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.109.126]) by ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CC918350039 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 06:52:34 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 28877 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2002 12:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iotcorp.com) (192.168.5.5) by 192.168.5.1 with SMTP; 12 Nov 2002 12:09:46 -0000 Message-ID: <3DD0B3EB.1020908@iotcorp.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:55:23 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan Organization: Integrated Object Technologies Corp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Data structures References: <200211112312.35218.me@ericherrera.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug >>>Hey Everyone, >>> >>>I've been doing some exploring on the net about data structures. EVERY >>>tutorial/explanation/what-have-you tells you what they are, how they >>>work, etc., but they do not under any circumstances tell you what you >>>would use them for...why would I use a stack, or a linked list, or >>>whatever? They also don't say how to use them in {programming language}. >>>This has been quite frustrating. Can anyone give me a hint, or point me >>>to some documentation that talks about why you'd want to use a given data >>>structure? >>> Russell, Most data structures could be used for most tasks. You need to learn the advantages, disadvantages, and absolute limits of each kind of data structure in order to jusge which one should be used in any situation. A stack can easily be implemented as an integer (to indicate the current top of the stack) and an array (for most low-level languages, using an array means that you are setting a fixed stack size). Stacks can be accessed very quickly: void *pop() { if (top>-1) return(buf[top--]); else return(NULL); } A linked-list would be MUCH slower (and much more complicated code). In a multi-threaded program, you would add a Mutex to protect the stack from corruption. I once used a stack to implement a "MutexPool"; the program allocated a user-defined number of mutexes which a large tree of objects would use during operations (this was an embedded RTOS where system level resources like mutexes could not be allowed to grow unchecked). When a thread was about to operate on an object, the thread called the object's Lock() method, which popped an available mutex off of the top of the MutexPool stack. When the mutex was UnLocked(), that mutex was pushed back onto the top of the MutexPool stack. This was fast and simple. That same project used queues to hold, filter, and forward networking messages (this was a publish/subscribe network messaging system). In fact, these were priority queues, where a high-priority message could be pushed into a queue, and during insert into the queue, it would be sorted toward to front of the queue so that it was dequeued before any lower priority messages. Choosing that data structure was easy, because of the nature of the task (compared to the nature of queues). --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 08:01:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA14919 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:01:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA14911 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:01:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04704 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:01:08 -0500 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACCxr0F028553 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:59:53 -0500 Received: from user-33qts48.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.240.136] helo=localhost.localdomain) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Badu-0001YV-00; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 04:59:46 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net, Smitty Subject: Re: [SLUG] Movielink Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:03:26 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <200211112038.15158.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <200211112116.24276.a.smitty@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200211112116.24276.a.smitty@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211120803.26542.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Sorry Smitty I sort of goofed on the posting. I did not post the link to the article. Worse I can not find it now myself. So I will paraphase. It seems according to the article that the mover makers have given up on Piracy. They have now decided that it is better to sell access to the movie via Movielink for $2 to $3 per movie. You have the ability to download the movie and play it any time within one month of downloading and for 24 hours after you start watching. If I interpreted the article correctly recording would be legally allowed. On Monday 11 November 2002 21:16, Smitty wrote: > On Monday 11 November 2002 20:38, you wrote: > > LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Five top Hollywood studios opened on line box > > office Movielink on Monday in their first, tentative step to sell > > blockbuster films like "Ocean's Eleven" on the Web after years of > > fretting over the copyright piracy now threatening the music business. > > "Piracy" is a term that has its origins in an entertainment cartel pr firm > using the propaganda by redefinition of words ploy. They don't want to > call it what it is, unlicensed copying. Piracy has connotations of > desperate seaborne bandits disposed to rape, pillage and hijack. > Actually, this describes the characters who run the major recording > companies far more so than some adolescent geek ripping mp3s because he > doesn't make the income his dad does and he is attempting to acquire those > very things that the entertainment cartel has promoted as highly desirable, > but ironically, not affordable to a large sector of their targeted public. > > > How difficult would it be to simultaneous play and record into a > > different file utilizing a different format one of the movies? > > You would need conversion utilities and a large enough buffer cache to > handle the feed. > Smitty From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 09:23:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA15585 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:23:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA15582 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:23:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05498 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:23:08 -0500 Received: from dt2.gschmidt.net (6535161hfc60.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.161.60]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACEMk0F001170 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:22:46 -0500 Received: by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AD3E52AE75; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A912B7CCA for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:17:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:17:14 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Schmidt To: Subject: [SLUG] only root can run X Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Root can run X with startx. The three normal, mortal users get: Authentication failed - cannot start X server. Perhaps you do not have console ownership? The ~/.Xauthority is a 63-byte file for root and zero bytes for the other three users. I think that's supposed to hold the MIT magic cookie. Putting "Perhaps you do not have console ownership" into google.com/linux found a bunch of stuff where others had the problem, but no answer. One of the most promising was to run startx --:4, startx --:5, and up. I think the idea was to start X on different ttys until you found one that would work. It didn't. It's Mandrake 9.0. I installed it about 36 hours ago, and it was working fine. I didn't like the fonts in OpenOffice, but it was working. I didn't care about the fonts in OpenOffice because the whole idea was to build linuxfromscratch next to it. LFS boots fine, it's just not very useful, yet. I had to compile the kernel again because I built it on an ext3 partition, (I guess the book uses ext2 for a reason.) and I skipped the LILO parts because I'm using GRUB. I also skipped the networking parts because I want to use dhclient instead of static addresses. (Ian Blenke likes dhclient; it must be fine. :) ) I also copied /etc/fstab off the base (Mandrake) install into the LFS partition and forgot to rem out some lines before I booted LFS the first two times but LFS's fstab is OK now. I had to go back and fix some stuff to get LFS straightened out, but I'm reasonably sure I was chroot'ed into it properly whenever it mattered. Other than that I didn't change a thing! :) Thought maybe I had buggered up /etc/password on Mandrake's partition while building the shadow and password files on the LFS partition, but I can still log in at the console. I haven't even downloaded X11 source onto the LFS partition yet, much less tried to build it. I found some references to /etc/security/console.perms, but I think the line: 0600 /dev/console 0600 root.root is how it should be. It's that way it is on the machines that work, like the one I'm using to write this. So LFS boots, but doesn't have a dhcp client, yet. I'll get around to that. Mandrake boots, and normal users can ping cisco.com, but only root can run X. That's a bother. How can I get normal logins running X again? What did I do to my Mandrake install? Thanks, Greg From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 10:13:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA15996 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:13:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA15988 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:13:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05985 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:13:08 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-20.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.20] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACFC70F004230 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:12:07 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.20]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA22717 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:11:13 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA20863 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:11:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <20021111.173508.-252627.0.rgrayauto@juno.com> References: <20021111.173508.-252627.0.rgrayauto@juno.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-/e/WeIJ5exy30ibaeiE4" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 12 Nov 2002 10:11:13 -0500 Message-Id: <1037113873.19989.47.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-/e/WeIJ5exy30ibaeiE4 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 17:35, r. jas gray wrote: > Dear SLUG: >=20 > Can you change my email from rgrayauto@juno.com to > rgrayauto@ij.net? >=20 I believe unsubscribing with the old address and resubscribing with the new address is the appropriate procedure. http://www.suncoastlug.org/lists.html --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 "An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly." --=-/e/WeIJ5exy30ibaeiE4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA90RoRIomZUAi8ewYRApFmAJ9zykvEW2ISL6UBcyh5cLUFU20OfgCdGPUF F5+FCHxuJyUx2lLH/My0o6U= =Yri+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-/e/WeIJ5exy30ibaeiE4-- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 10:37:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA16206 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:37:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA16198 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:37:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06287 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:37:58 -0500 Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACFb60F005826 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:37:06 -0500 Received: from user-0cal2bd.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.137.109] helo=earthlink.net) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Bd60-00053L-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:36:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3DD1207B.3090504@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:38:35 -0500 From: Paul Swider User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en,bg MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SLUG Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] winMX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Anybody heard of http://winmx.com/ for peer-to-peer file sharing? Is it legit, linuxable, spy-free, etc.? -- Paul Swider Cell 727.776.9979 eFax 208.248.1869 http://www.swider.net/Paul-Swider-resume.html http://www.greenstar.org/pswider.htm From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 10:41:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA16251 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:41:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA16244 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:41:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06332 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:41:48 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gACFeh0F006079 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:40:43 -0500 Received: (qmail 15456 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2002 15:40:38 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 12 Nov 2002 15:40:38 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:40:37 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] libsafe to secure linux systems Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:34:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c28a60$fed5c070$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <3DCFBF8A.6000201@iotcorp.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug TechRepublic just has an article on libsafe as a means to secure linux systems from buffer overflow intrusions. http://www.techrepublic.com/article_guest.jhtml?id=r00220020807noo01.htm &page=1 Seems like this would take up some cycle time and slow my system down. Does anyone have any input on this program? Michael C Rock From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 10:41:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA16252 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:41:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA16248 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:41:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06334 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:41:48 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gACFeg0F006077 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:40:42 -0500 Received: (qmail 15444 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2002 15:40:37 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 12 Nov 2002 15:40:37 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:40:36 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] W2K and RH 8.0 and NTFS Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:34:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c28a60$fdcf9b10$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <200211111948.20911.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug While doing a search for dual booting W2K and Linux I came across an article that said that W2K with NTFS does not appear to call the Linux OS when attempting to boot linux. Does anyone have any input on this. My 'new' desktop at work is a W2K Dell and I have shrunk the W2K partition to leave room for RH 8.0. And I want to dual boot and would prefer to use LILO as by boot loader. Also has anyone done this with a large HD where the Linux /boot partition is beyond the 1024 Cyl barrier. The article seems to think that this part needs to be before 1024. Doesn't the new LILO have lba32 support? And I would think the bios in this new box would have it as well. Michael C Rock From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 11:22:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA16664 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:22:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA16650 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:22:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06845 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:22:38 -0500 Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACGKL0F008654 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:20:22 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.98.113]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021112162016.HSFP2867.out002.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:20:16 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] libsafe to secure linux systems Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:23:43 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <000401c28a60$fed5c070$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> In-Reply-To: <000401c28a60$fed5c070$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211121123.43152.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out002.verizon.net from [4.47.98.113] at Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:20:16 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Libsafe will not slow your system down. I have used it for two years going back to the initial 1.0 release. NO problems with it whatsoever. I have successfully and transparently used it on redhat and suse. I highly recommend installing it. Smitty On Tuesday 12 November 2002 10:34, you wrote: > TechRepublic just has an article on libsafe as a means to secure linux > systems from buffer overflow intrusions. > > http://www.techrepublic.com/article_guest.jhtml?id=r00220020807noo01.htm > &page=1 > > Seems like this would take up some cycle time and slow my system down. > Does anyone have any input on this program? > > Michael C Rock From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 11:27:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA16714 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:27:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA16711 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:27:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06929 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:27:28 -0500 Received: from pop015.verizon.net (pop015pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.172]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACGQg0F009113 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:26:42 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.98.113]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021112162636.DSEY28019.pop015.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:26:36 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Movielink Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:30:03 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200211112038.15158.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <200211112116.24276.a.smitty@verizon.net> <200211120803.26542.sotl155360@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200211120803.26542.sotl155360@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211121130.03298.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop015.verizon.net from [4.47.98.113] at Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:26:36 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 12 November 2002 08:03, you wrote: > Sorry Smitty I sort of goofed on the posting. > I did not post the link to the article. > Worse I can not find it now myself. > So I will paraphase. > > It seems according to the article that the mover makers have given up on > Piracy. > They have now decided that it is better to sell access to the movie via > Movielink > for $2 to $3 per movie. You have the ability to download the movie and play > it any time within one month of downloading and for 24 hours after you > start watching. > If I interpreted the article correctly recording would be legally allowed. O.K. I was commenting on the cartel's party line on unlicensed copying that they call "piracy". I don't know to what extent they would allow copying. These are the folks who want to get rid of fair use. Smitty > > On Monday 11 November 2002 21:16, Smitty wrote: > > On Monday 11 November 2002 20:38, you wrote: > > > LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Five top Hollywood studios opened on line box > > > office Movielink on Monday in their first, tentative step to sell > > > blockbuster films like "Ocean's Eleven" on the Web after years of > > > fretting over the copyright piracy now threatening the music business. > > > > "Piracy" is a term that has its origins in an entertainment cartel pr > > firm using the propaganda by redefinition of words ploy. They don't want > > to call it what it is, unlicensed copying. Piracy has connotations of > > desperate seaborne bandits disposed to rape, pillage and hijack. > > Actually, this describes the characters who run the major recording > > companies far more so than some adolescent geek ripping mp3s because he > > doesn't make the income his dad does and he is attempting to acquire > > those very things that the entertainment cartel has promoted as highly > > desirable, but ironically, not affordable to a large sector of their > > targeted public. > > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 11:31:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA16772 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:31:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA16769 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:31:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06992 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:31:18 -0500 From: corey@serviceweb.net Received: from cosmos.serviceweb.net (cosmos.serviceweb.net [209.94.121.24]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gACGUY0F009389 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:30:34 -0500 Received: (qmail 29121 invoked by uid 99); 12 Nov 2002 16:30:27 -0000 Received: from 129.42.208.182 ( [129.42.208.182]) as user corey@serviceweb.net@serviceweb.net by mail.serviceweb.net with HTTP; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:30:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1037118626.3dd12ca2f1b42@mail.serviceweb.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:30:26 -0500 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: Re: [SLUG] winMX References: <3DD1207B.3090504@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <3DD1207B.3090504@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 129.42.208.182 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Winmx is a great program but for what I know, it's windows only. Garanteed spy-ware free and it works well in the p2p environment. Might work in linux under a wine install or vmware-ish setup. HTH, Corey Quoting Paul Swider : > Anybody heard of > http://winmx.com/ > for peer-to-peer file sharing? Is it legit, linuxable, spy-free, etc.? > > -- > Paul Swider > Cell 727.776.9979 > eFax 208.248.1869 > http://www.swider.net/Paul-Swider-resume.html > http://www.greenstar.org/pswider.htm > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 11:34:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA16821 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:34:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA16818 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:34:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07041 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:34:08 -0500 From: corey@serviceweb.net Received: from cosmos.serviceweb.net (cosmos.serviceweb.net [209.94.121.24]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gACGXm0F009618 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:33:49 -0500 Received: (qmail 29139 invoked by uid 99); 12 Nov 2002 16:33:41 -0000 Received: from 129.42.208.182 ( [129.42.208.182]) as user corey@serviceweb.net@serviceweb.net by mail.serviceweb.net with HTTP; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:33:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1037118821.3dd12d65be72a@mail.serviceweb.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:33:41 -0500 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: Re: [SLUG] W2K and RH 8.0 and NTFS References: <000301c28a60$fdcf9b10$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> In-Reply-To: <000301c28a60$fdcf9b10$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 129.42.208.182 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is a good subject. I run winxp/linux on my dell laptop. I'd suggest that you dump lilo for grub and most of your problems will disappear. LBA problems are a thing of the past as linux and the bios on new machines have accepted the new drives out there. If you let grub install on the boot sector then you will have no issues where on the drive that linux is booting from. If you need to setup 25-50 megs on the begining of the drive (using partition magic this is quite easy) and make that your /boot filesystem. HTH, Corey Quoting Mikes work account : > > While doing a search for dual booting W2K and Linux I came across an > article that said that W2K with NTFS does not appear to call the Linux > OS when attempting to boot linux. > > Does anyone have any input on this. My 'new' desktop at work is a W2K > Dell and I have shrunk the W2K partition to leave room for RH 8.0. And > I want to dual boot and would prefer to use LILO as by boot loader. > > Also has anyone done this with a large HD where the Linux /boot > partition is beyond the 1024 Cyl barrier. The article seems to think > that this part needs to be before 1024. > > Doesn't the new LILO have lba32 support? And I would think the bios in > this new box would have it as well. > > > Michael C Rock > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 11:36:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA16862 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:36:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA16859 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:36:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07069 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:36:38 -0500 Received: from pop018.verizon.net (pop018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.212]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACGZt0F009741 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:35:56 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.98.113]) by pop018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021112163549.GJWW1896.pop018.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:35:49 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:39:16 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211121139.16446.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop018.verizon.net from [4.47.98.113] at Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:35:49 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yes, and that is the best suited market for wireless ethernet - the corporate LAN. Of course there are security issues and the matters of value to the competition would best not be transmitted over wireless. Smitty On Tuesday 12 November 2002 07:37, you wrote: > On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Smitty wrote: > > On Monday 11 November 2002 20:51, William Coulter wrote: > > > That is why I don't do wireless. There are way, way too many flaws for > > > any hacker to get in to the system and cause havoc. > > > > > > So why are all of the major companies making and pushing everybody to > > > buy wireless? > > > > It is a profit center and an emerging technology with higher margins than > > established technologies. > > Smitty > > It can also be very dang handy. Imagine the conference/training rooms in > many offices. You could buy a bunch of extra CatV switch ports that will > go unused most of the time to wire up those rooms. That's expensive. If > you don't buy those extra switches, some poor LAN admin is at the patch > panel trying to figure out whose desk they can unplug to get the meeting > room wired when you have an event. That hardly ever goes smoothly. > > The clients don't want to crawl on the floor in the meeting room to get > plugged in. They want these nifty fixtures on the sides or tops of the > tables with easy access. That means wiring the tables. Often, it means a > cheap hub bolted to the bottom of the table and that might not deliver the > streaming media message from the CEO with the quality you hoped. And then > they want to move the tables into "U"s and circles and rows, so some > poor LAN admin is moving furniture and patching cables. Since they seldom > learn how the people holding the meeting want the room configured ahead of > time, it often happens that the first 20 minutes of your meeting are spent > moving furniture and patch cords and trouble-shooting layer 1 problems. > > I've seen people (Maybe they were sometimes women in skirts.) so loath to > get on the floor and plug in that they let their laptop batteries go > dead. If we could get batteries that last a week and recharge in half an > hour, or could deliver power over the air along with the network signal, > that would be REALLY cool. > > If you have copper network ports on the tables, they need AC/DC bricks. > Those go missing. The cost of buying spare bricks is trivial compared to > the lost productivity when some poor LAN admin finally figures out they > need to unwrap another new brick. > > If you have a bunch of CatV network jacks spread across the floor of a > large room, ladies' high heels can poke into them. The network jack is > broken. Her shoe might be broken. Hopefully, her ankle is fine. > > I once saw where someone trying to be helpful had pulled a broken jack out > of the floor and twisted all the wires tightly together. I don't know if > they didn't want the Token to get out or if they were trying to keep the > bits from escaping into the Ether. Somehow, spanning tree didn't cut it, > and having all the LEDs on ALL the switches blinking in unison is only an > attractive or amusing sight in retrospect. (The LEDs seemed to be the > only functional aspect of the switches at the time.) > > If network and power jacks in the floor aren't part of original > construction retro-fitting them can be very expensive. Core drills > through concrete floors are messy and noisy. Carpet might need to be > replaced. With some construction techniques you need to X-ray the floor > to decide where to drill. If you're not leasing the floor below you need > to inconvenience, and coordinate activities with, one of your landlord's > other tenants. Decent floor jack hardware costs much more than wall jack > hardware and many cable jobs are bid, or at least evaluated by folks who > might approve your project budget, as dollars/drop. > > If you give up on jacks in the floor and keep them on the walls, a large > room will still have a bunch of cable running around posing tripping > hazards. Hazards to both your clients and their network. > > Conference room problems aside, a wireless connection can be good > because it is persistent, even if it is a little slower. Someone can > carry their laptop from their desk to some other office or a conference > room, stop by the water cooler, realize their meeting is going to start > five minutes late so go get a cup of coffee (and make it 10 minutes late), > and all the while they are downloading their email. > > Wireless can be a very good solution for situations where people don't > super-glue their laptops to their desks. > > Finally, while sending your data through the air makes you more > susceptible to sniffing than sending across fiber or copper, it CAN be > done with reasonable security. Encrypt. Don't rely on the rather > inadequate security measures that come with the wireless products. > Encrypt everything you send before you ever drop it on any layer 1 > medium and your wired part of the network will be more secure too. Let > the black hats get their Pringles cans and listen to your gibberish. And > to bring this back on to topic for this list, open-source solutions for > encrypting your transmitted data are superior. > > The patch cord leash can be a real pain. Though it's far from perfect, > and it doesn't fit every situation, there is a good business case for > wireless. > > Apologizing for my ranting, > > Greg From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 11:41:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA16934 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:41:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA16927 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:41:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07139 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:41:18 -0500 Received: from ipop2 (ipop2.tm.net.my [202.188.0.246]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACGe20F010011 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:40:05 -0500 Received: from deoxyribonuclei.streamyX.com ([219.93.53.102]) by ipop2.tm.net.my (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5H00M951ZXYD@ipop2.tm.net.my> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:33:33 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 04:36:00 +0800 From: TheExploited Subject: Re: [SLUG] W2K and RH 8.0 and NTFS In-reply-to: <000301c28a60$fdcf9b10$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> X-Sender: chinvi@streamyX.com@pop.tm.net.my To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021113043144.00a6fa88@pop.tm.net.my> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <200211111948.20911.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Dear Michael, Yea i used to run win2k and RH7.2 before and lilo should do fine managing everything. Considering the fact that RH7.2 has lba32 support so i'd say you need not worry about RH8.0 . However i'm not to sure about booting w2k with NTFS from lilo .But i know there's a known issue with RH7.2 where you can't mount NTFS partitions Seems you have to upgrade your kernel version to mount the NTFS partition. However you might want to try out the GRUB boot loader rather than lilo.It has a neater interface and has a nice interface. Regards, Victor At 10:34 AM 11/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: >While doing a search for dual booting W2K and Linux I came across an >article that said that W2K with NTFS does not appear to call the Linux >OS when attempting to boot linux. > >Does anyone have any input on this. My 'new' desktop at work is a W2K >Dell and I have shrunk the W2K partition to leave room for RH 8.0. And >I want to dual boot and would prefer to use LILO as by boot loader. > >Also has anyone done this with a large HD where the Linux /boot >partition is beyond the 1024 Cyl barrier. The article seems to think >that this part needs to be before 1024. > >Doesn't the new LILO have lba32 support? And I would think the bios in >this new box would have it as well. > > >Michael C Rock From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 12:27:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA17279 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:27:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA17271 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:27:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07638 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:27:18 -0500 Received: from pop018.verizon.net (pop018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.212]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACHPh0F012966 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:25:43 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.98.113]) by pop018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021112172537.GWIU1896.pop018.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:25:37 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] First Aol Computer Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:29:04 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <001601c28a0f$decb4080$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <1037090711.2044.33.camel@slacker> In-Reply-To: <1037090711.2044.33.camel@slacker> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211121229.04500.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop018.verizon.net from [4.47.98.113] at Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:25:37 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I understand that microsoft is going to compete against Wallmart with their own line of computers to try to preserve their os market share. The brand name will be GatesWay. Bill swears it isn't trademark infringement because he is using his own name. Smitty On Tuesday 12 November 2002 03:45, you wrote: > This would actually be AOL's second deal with a linux powered device. > The first one was an internet device (quite nice btw) sold by Gateway > called the Gateway Connected Touchpad. 400MHz Transmeta CPU, 64MB RAM, > 32MB CF, 56k+NIC, 2 USB - over all it was really nice hardware-wise. > AOL/Gateway pulled it from the shelves after a watchdog group I was > working with went public with their GPL violations. The orignal copy of > the extracted client can be found at sf.net/projects/textbox and > pictured of the device internals over at free.freespeech.org/cotn/gct > > I'll give AOL a little credit with the hardware used, if you can find a > Touchpad on eBay or online they make great eMail/www/MP3 terminals. The > speakers can sound a little "tinny" with streaming internet audio but > sound great playing files local or via smb. > > Do I want to see low costing linux solutions in new computer users > homes? Very much so. I thought it was pretty cool to see WalMart offer > MicroTel computers loaded with a _few_ different distros or none at all > even. > > As a side note, I feel your Software Spectrum pains. I served a year and > a half there and pretty much has my fill when I was training a class and > was reprimanded for advising that agents offer solutions other then do > the first two things in Sherlock then dump the call to Member Benefits. > There is no such thing as ethical work there, so try not to get too > frustrated... > > -- > Matt > Textbox Networks > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 12:45:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA17432 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:45:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA17429 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:45:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07873 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:45:08 -0500 Received: from web21205.mail.yahoo.com (web21205.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.248]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gACHho0F014202 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:43:50 -0500 Message-ID: <20021112174344.40418.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.77.73.139] by web21205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:43:44 PST Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:43:44 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Eanes Subject: Re: [SLUG] only root can run X To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug HI all, I'm new to the area and plan to attend the Dunedin meeting. Somewhat new to Linux too, but have experience on Unix variants, and most other common systems. Ok, enough for short introductions. It may be a total newbie guess here, but does not being able to start X with a common user have anything to do with granting common users "run as root" access? --- Greg Schmidt wrote: > > Root can run X with startx. The three normal, > mortal users get: > > Authentication failed - cannot start X server. > > Perhaps you do not have console ownership? > > The ~/.Xauthority is a 63-byte file for root and > zero bytes for the other > three users. I think that's supposed to hold the > MIT magic cookie. > > Putting "Perhaps you do not have console ownership" > into google.com/linux > found a bunch of stuff where others had the problem, > but no answer. One > of the most promising was to run startx --:4, > startx --:5, and up. I > think the idea was to start X on different ttys > until you found one that > would work. It didn't. > > It's Mandrake 9.0. I installed it about 36 hours > ago, and it was working > fine. I didn't like the fonts in OpenOffice, but it > was working. I > didn't care about the fonts in OpenOffice because > the whole idea was to > build linuxfromscratch next to it. LFS boots fine, > it's just not very > useful, yet. I had to compile the kernel again > because I built it on an > ext3 partition, (I guess the book uses ext2 for a > reason.) and I skipped > the LILO parts because I'm using GRUB. I also > skipped the networking > parts because I want to use dhclient instead of > static addresses. (Ian > Blenke likes dhclient; it must be fine. :) ) I > also copied /etc/fstab > off the base (Mandrake) install into the LFS > partition and forgot to rem > out some lines before I booted LFS the first two > times but LFS's fstab is > OK now. I had to go back and fix some stuff to get > LFS straightened out, > but I'm reasonably sure I was chroot'ed into it > properly whenever it > mattered. > > Other than that I didn't change a thing! :) > > Thought maybe I had buggered up /etc/password on > Mandrake's partition > while building the shadow and password files on the > LFS partition, but > I can still log in at the console. I haven't even > downloaded X11 source > onto the LFS partition yet, much less tried to build > it. > > I found some references to > /etc/security/console.perms, but I think the > line: > 0600 /dev/console 0600 root.root > is how it should be. It's that way it is on the > machines that work, like > the one I'm using to write this. > > So LFS boots, but doesn't have a dhcp client, yet. > I'll get around to > that. Mandrake boots, and normal users can ping > cisco.com, but only root > can run X. That's a bother. > > How can I get normal logins running X again? What > did I do to my Mandrake > install? > > Thanks, > > Greg > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 12:56:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA17577 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:56:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA17563 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:56:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08043 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:56:58 -0500 Received: from usushntex50.unistudios.com (outmail.unistudios.com [192.251.67.110]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACHta0F014998 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:55:37 -0500 Received: from usintex11lax.unistudios.com (usintex11lax.udh.unistudios.com [167.167.130.41]) by usushntex50.unistudios.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id VT4NT987; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:57:23 -0800 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by usintex11lax.unistudios.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:55:30 -0800 Received: by usintex11lax.udh.unistudios.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:55:30 -0800 Message-ID: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A64@usush2kex03> From: "Quesada, Oscar" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] First Aol Computer Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:55:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Do you know if we will be able to run Linux in this machines? Oscar R. Quesada UMG-IT Systems/Network Support Vivendi Universal 818-777-5701 -----Original Message----- From: Smitty [mailto:a.smitty@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:29 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] First Aol Computer I understand that microsoft is going to compete against Wallmart with their own line of computers to try to preserve their os market share. The brand name will be GatesWay. Bill swears it isn't trademark infringement because he is using his own name. Smitty On Tuesday 12 November 2002 03:45, you wrote: > This would actually be AOL's second deal with a linux powered device. > The first one was an internet device (quite nice btw) sold by Gateway > called the Gateway Connected Touchpad. 400MHz Transmeta CPU, 64MB RAM, > 32MB CF, 56k+NIC, 2 USB - over all it was really nice hardware-wise. > AOL/Gateway pulled it from the shelves after a watchdog group I was > working with went public with their GPL violations. The orignal copy of > the extracted client can be found at sf.net/projects/textbox and > pictured of the device internals over at free.freespeech.org/cotn/gct > > I'll give AOL a little credit with the hardware used, if you can find a > Touchpad on eBay or online they make great eMail/www/MP3 terminals. The > speakers can sound a little "tinny" with streaming internet audio but > sound great playing files local or via smb. > > Do I want to see low costing linux solutions in new computer users > homes? Very much so. I thought it was pretty cool to see WalMart offer > MicroTel computers loaded with a _few_ different distros or none at all > even. > > As a side note, I feel your Software Spectrum pains. I served a year and > a half there and pretty much has my fill when I was training a class and > was reprimanded for advising that agents offer solutions other then do > the first two things in Sherlock then dump the call to Member Benefits. > There is no such thing as ethical work there, so try not to get too > frustrated... > > -- > Matt > Textbox Networks > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 13:32:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA17895 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:32:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA17883 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:32:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08467 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:32:30 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACIUj0F017285 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:30:47 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.3] (196-1.9-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.9.1.196]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00848 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:29:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] winMX From: Aaron Steimle To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1037118626.3dd12ca2f1b42@mail.serviceweb.net> References: <3DD1207B.3090504@earthlink.net> <1037118626.3dd12ca2f1b42@mail.serviceweb.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1037125964.1945.4.camel@wolverine.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 12 Nov 2002 13:32:44 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug winmx is win only...been using it for ever. but since we are on the subject.... Anyone know of a really good one for linux? On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 11:30, corey@serviceweb.net wrote: > Winmx is a great program but for what I know, it's windows only. Garanteed > spy-ware free and it works well in the p2p environment. Might work in linux > under a wine install or vmware-ish setup. > > HTH, > Corey > > > Quoting Paul Swider : > > > Anybody heard of > > http://winmx.com/ > > for peer-to-peer file sharing? Is it legit, linuxable, spy-free, etc.? > > > > -- > > Paul Swider > > Cell 727.776.9979 > > eFax 208.248.1869 > > http://www.swider.net/Paul-Swider-resume.html > > http://www.greenstar.org/pswider.htm > > > > > > > > > > > -- Aaron Steimle From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 13:33:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA17918 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:33:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA17915 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:33:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08490 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:33:29 -0500 Received: from pop018.verizon.net (pop018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.212]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACIWX0F017420 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:32:34 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.98.113]) by pop018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021112183228.HNCO1896.pop018.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:32:28 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] First Aol Computer Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:35:55 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A64@usush2kex03> In-Reply-To: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A64@usush2kex03> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211121335.55203.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop018.verizon.net from [4.47.98.113] at Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:32:27 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I hope you realize that this was a plausible spoof. Smitty On Tuesday 12 November 2002 12:55, you wrote: > Do you know if we will be able to run Linux in this machines? > > Oscar R. Quesada > UMG-IT Systems/Network Support > Vivendi Universal > 818-777-5701 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Smitty [mailto:a.smitty@verizon.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:29 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] First Aol Computer > > > I understand that microsoft is going to compete against Wallmart with their > own line of computers to try to preserve their os market share. The brand > name will be GatesWay. Bill swears it isn't trademark infringement because > he is using his own name. > Smitty > > On Tuesday 12 November 2002 03:45, you wrote: > > This would actually be AOL's second deal with a linux powered device. > > The first one was an internet device (quite nice btw) sold by Gateway > > called the Gateway Connected Touchpad. 400MHz Transmeta CPU, 64MB RAM, > > 32MB CF, 56k+NIC, 2 USB - over all it was really nice hardware-wise. > > AOL/Gateway pulled it from the shelves after a watchdog group I was > > working with went public with their GPL violations. The orignal copy of > > the extracted client can be found at sf.net/projects/textbox and > > pictured of the device internals over at free.freespeech.org/cotn/gct > > > > I'll give AOL a little credit with the hardware used, if you can find a > > Touchpad on eBay or online they make great eMail/www/MP3 terminals. The > > speakers can sound a little "tinny" with streaming internet audio but > > sound great playing files local or via smb. > > > > Do I want to see low costing linux solutions in new computer users > > homes? Very much so. I thought it was pretty cool to see WalMart offer > > MicroTel computers loaded with a _few_ different distros or none at all > > even. > > > > As a side note, I feel your Software Spectrum pains. I served a year and > > a half there and pretty much has my fill when I was training a class and > > was reprimanded for advising that agents offer solutions other then do > > the first two things in Sherlock then dump the call to Member Benefits. > > There is no such thing as ethical work there, so try not to get too > > frustrated... > > > > -- > > Matt > > Textbox Networks > > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 13:49:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA18079 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:49:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA18076 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:49:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08681 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:49:09 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACImo0F018497 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:48:50 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.104] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gACImg7Z018303 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:48:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: [SLUG] First Aol Computer From: Matt To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A64@usush2kex03> References: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A64@usush2kex03> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Textbox Networks Message-Id: <1037126870.2957.12.camel@slacker.textbox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 12 Nov 2002 13:47:50 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug WalMart is selling MicroTel (www.microtelpc.com) machines and they are 100% Linux. The Touchpad is also running Linux by default (midori.transmeta.com) and has no problem running the non-AOL version On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 12:55, Quesada, Oscar wrote: > Do you know if we will be able to run Linux in this machines? > > Oscar R. Quesada > UMG-IT Systems/Network Support > Vivendi Universal > 818-777-5701 From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 14:15:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA18292 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:15:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA18289 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:14:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09022 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:14:59 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACJD90F020085 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:13:09 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.104] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gACJD31c010254 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:13:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: [SLUG] First Aol Computer From: Matt To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1037126870.2957.12.camel@slacker.textbox.net> References: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A64@usush2kex03> <1037126870.2957.12.camel@slacker.textbox.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Textbox Networks Message-Id: <1037128331.2957.14.camel@slacker.textbox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 12 Nov 2002 14:12:11 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Correction: MicroTel does offer Windows on their Laptops :-/ On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 13:47, Matt wrote: > WalMart is selling MicroTel (www.microtelpc.com) machines and they are > 100% Linux. The Touchpad is also running Linux by default > (midori.transmeta.com) and has no problem running the non-AOL version > > On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 12:55, Quesada, Oscar wrote: > > Do you know if we will be able to run Linux in this machines? > > > > Oscar R. Quesada > > UMG-IT Systems/Network Support > > Vivendi Universal > > 818-777-5701 > > -- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 14:40:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA18501 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:40:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA18498 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:39:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09331 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:39:59 -0500 Received: from bigcan2.rapidsys.com (tincan.rapidsys.com [209.84.253.13] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACJdM0F021846 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:39:22 -0500 Received: by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:39:16 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([216.202.125.224]) by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id WWQNNXAJ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:39:09 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([192.168.0.5]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gACIiYb22011 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:44:34 -0500 From: Mike Manchester To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Help with Xfree 4.2 on ThinkPad 760 In-Reply-To: <1037128331.2957.14.camel@slacker.textbox.net> References: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A64@usush2kex03> <1037126870.2957.12.camel@slacker.textbox.net> <1037128331.2957.14.camel@slacker.textbox.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-6) Date: 12 Nov 2002 14:39:43 -0500 Message-Id: <1037129983.919.2.camel@cpt> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm running, well trying to run Redhat 8.0 on a Thinkpad 760 and can't get xfree 4.2 to run. I was wondering if there would be anyone at tomorrows meeting that could help me get it working? I'm not opposed to going back to Xfree 3.3.6 or 4.1 to get X to run on this. Just let me know what you need me to bring other than the the Thinkpad to tomorrows meeting. Thanks Mike M. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 14:44:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA18552 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:44:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA18537 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:44:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09380 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:44:00 -0500 Received: from mail.vasoftware.com (mail.vasoftware.com [198.186.202.175]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACJgO0F022042 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:42:24 -0500 Received: from pcp281688pcs.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net ([68.55.236.92] helo=roblimo.com) by mail.vasoftware.com with asmtp (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 18BgvN-000187-00 by VAauthid with fixed_plain for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 11:42:13 -0800 Message-ID: <3DD15957.2080507@roblimo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:41:11 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] First Aol Computer References: <001601c28a0f$decb4080$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > >It seems that AOL and Lindows is trying to strike a deal. To make the >Walmart $299.00 PC and Load it with AOL settings. This may help the >popularity take off how ever if the Xandros Distro is as good as Tina >Gasperson wrote about then Perhaps they should look into that instead being >loaded on the Wal-Mart Pc's >Then they make a huge move forward to strike up more interest. > Nothing to see here. Move along. The MSNBC writer got snockered by Robertson hype. All Lindows did was make AOL.com the default home page. You're allowed to do this if you fill out a little online form. No deal, nothing special, no endorsement by AOL, which later screamed about Robertson's trick to use their name to sell his computers. Lindows can access AIM, AOL Hometown pages, and get AOL/Netscape Webmail. Guess what? You can do that on any computer, in any operating system, with almost any browser. The *real* AOL/Linux deal will come when there is a real AOL client for Linux, either for a specific distritbution or on some sort of AOL-branded computer or computer-like device. That'll give Linux users full access to all the cool AOL "inside" features -- the gay chat rooms, special purchasing deals you can charge to the credit card you use to pay for your AOL account, access to NFL scores through an AOL keyword instead of through NFL.com, and all that over and above the famous AOL "Start" page. I dislike Lindows because of this sort of hype. I like people who deliver more than the promise, not people who promise the moon, then deliver nothing but its reflection in a pond. I want to try Xandros, but the CD they shipped me wouldn't boot either my HP or Thinkpad laptops, both of which are now happily running Mandrake 9.0. Defective Xandros CD, I suppose. They're supposed to send me another one... - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 15:08:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA18754 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:08:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA18751 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:08:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09682 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:08:49 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-20.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.20] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACK870F023712 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:08:08 -0500 Received: from rufus.mptotalcare.com (rufus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.21]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA24466 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:07:17 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by rufus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA03910 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:07:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rufus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] First Aol Computer From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <3DD15957.2080507@roblimo.com> References: <001601c28a0f$decb4080$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <3DD15957.2080507@roblimo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-a9sTB/3WiaeFNpY1F6JI" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 12 Nov 2002 15:07:17 -0500 Message-Id: <1037131637.19989.64.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-a9sTB/3WiaeFNpY1F6JI Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 14:41, Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > The *real* AOL/Linux deal will come when there is a real AOL client for=20 > Linux, either for a specific distritbution or on some sort of=20 > AOL-branded computer or computer-like device. That'll give Linux users=20 > full access to all the cool AOL "inside" features -- the gay chat rooms,=20 > special purchasing deals you can charge to the credit card you use to=20 > pay for your AOL account, access to NFL scores through an AOL keyword=20 > instead of through NFL.com, and all that over and above the famous AOL=20 > "Start" page. Egads -- a *real* AOL client for Linux. Hopefully, we'll never see this. The last thing we need is to dumb down the Linux community with a piece of software that self-promotes itself as "The easiest ever -- even your pet rock can use it". AOL on Linux would further support the theory that we are being fattened up and dumbed down for the impending Alien Horde(tm). Resistance is futile. =20 --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 "An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly." --=-a9sTB/3WiaeFNpY1F6JI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA90V90IomZUAi8ewYRAmQyAJ4kKzypuxTJceuwB364X0XAVs8RKQCgzqPQ Km27vYb+FzAwg9KnA/UmhEE= =n3io -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-a9sTB/3WiaeFNpY1F6JI-- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 15:16:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA18846 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:16:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA18837 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:16:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09814 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:16:29 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACKFW0F024198 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:15:32 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.104] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gACKFQCB004687 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:15:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] First Aol Computer From: Matt To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <3DD15957.2080507@roblimo.com> References: <001601c28a0f$decb4080$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <3DD15957.2080507@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Textbox Networks Message-Id: <1037132073.2957.17.camel@slacker.textbox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 12 Nov 2002 15:14:34 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug It's been done, about 2 years ago. Here's the client: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/textbox/instantaol.12-03-01.tar.gz?download > The *real* AOL/Linux deal will come when there is a real AOL client for > Linux, either for a specific distritbution or on some sort of > AOL-branded computer or computer-like device. That'll give Linux users > full access to all the cool AOL "inside" features -- the gay chat rooms, > special purchasing deals you can charge to the credit card you use to > pay for your AOL account, access to NFL scores through an AOL keyword > instead of through NFL.com, and all that over and above the famous AOL > "Start" page. -- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 15:24:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA18920 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:24:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA18917 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:23:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09898 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:23:59 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACKNE0F024703 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:23:14 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.104] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gACKN8fC006814 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:23:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help with Xfree 4.2 on ThinkPad 760 From: Matt To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1037129983.919.2.camel@cpt> References: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A64@usush2kex03> <1037126870.2957.12.camel@slacker.textbox.net> <1037128331.2957.14.camel@slacker.textbox.net> <1037129983.919.2.camel@cpt> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Textbox Networks Message-Id: <1037132535.3243.26.camel@slacker.textbox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 12 Nov 2002 15:22:16 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Got this off the web, it's for 3.3.1 but maybe can help you in the right direction - HTH Matt # XF86Config for XFree86 v3.3.1 SVGA server. # Modified for the IBM ThinkPad 760XD by Mike Ward Oct97 # Original URL: http://www.e-oasis.com/xconfig/760xd101597.txt # # Slight modification by Nate Bargmann 20 September 1999 to # reflect TP Model 760ED. # Copyright (c) 1996 by The XFree86 Project, Inc. # # Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a # copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), # to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation # the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, # and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the # Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: # # The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in # all copies or substantial portions of the Software. # # THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR # IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, # FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL # THE XFREE86 PROJECT BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, # WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF # OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE # SOFTWARE. # # Except as contained in this notice, the name of the XFree86 Project shall # not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other # dealings in this Software without prior written authorization from the # XFree86 Project. # # See 'man XF86Config' for info on the format of this file Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" # FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" # FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" # FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" EndSection Section "Keyboard" Protocol "Standard" XkbRules "xfree86" XkbModel "pc101" XkbLayout "us" EndSection Section "Pointer" Protocol "PS/2" Device "/dev/mouse" Emulate3Timeout 50 Emulate3Buttons EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "ThinkPad-12.1-TFT-LCD" VendorName "IBM" ModelName "760ED" HorizSync 25-79 VertRefresh 20-76 # Each of the following mode lines was derived from the 60Hz entry # for the mode in the table of /usr/doc/faq/howto/mini/Modelines.gz # (distributed with v3.2 Slackware Walnut Creek CD-ROM). I set # *PS=xR and xPE=xPS+0.5*(xPE-xPS). # # Only the 1024x768 Modeline works, so I comment out the # non-functioning modes. # # Mode Name DCL HR HPS HPE HFL VR VPS VPE VFL Modeline "1024x768" 65.0 1024 1024 1185 1346 768 768 787 805 +hsync +vsync # Modeline "800x600" 39.9 800 800 927 1053 600 600 616 632 +hsync +vsync # Modeline "640x480" 25.2 640 640 720 800 480 480 503 525 EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Trident-TGUI9660-PCI-CYBER9385-onboard" VendorName "Trident" BoardName "Trident TGUI9660 (generic)" EndSection Section "Screen" Driver "SVGA" Device "Trident-TGUI9660-PCI-CYBER9385-onboard" Monitor "ThinkPad-12.1-TFT-LCD" # When both the 8-bit and 16-bit displays are available, the 8-bit # display seems to be used by default, so I comment it out. # Only the 1024x768 mode is functional, so I comment out the # non-functioning modes. SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" # Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection # Only the 1024x768 mode is functional, so I comment out the # non-functioning modes. # SubSection "Display" # Depth 8 # Modes "1024x768" # Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" # EndSubSection EndSection On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 14:39, Mike Manchester wrote: > I'm running, well trying to run Redhat 8.0 on a Thinkpad 760 and can't > get xfree 4.2 to run. I was wondering if there would be anyone at > tomorrows meeting that could help me get it working? I'm not opposed to > going back to Xfree 3.3.6 or 4.1 to get X to run on this. > > Just let me know what you need me to bring other than the the Thinkpad > to tomorrows meeting. > > Thanks > Mike M. > -- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 16:41:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA19683 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:41:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA19670 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:41:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10778 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:41:49 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACLbC0F029450 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:37:13 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id B73E15F41 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:32:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:32:36 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] winMX Message-Id: <20021112163236.78ab40f9.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <1037125964.1945.4.camel@wolverine.local> References: <3DD1207B.3090504@earthlink.net> <1037118626.3dd12ca2f1b42@mail.serviceweb.net> <1037125964.1945.4.camel@wolverine.local> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > winmx is win only...been using it for ever. but since we are on the > subject.... > > Anyone know of a really good one for linux? There's gtk-gnutella, which I recommend,( http://gtk-gnutella.sf.net ) or limewire ( http://www.limewire.com ) for gnutella, or dctc, a direct-connect client ( http://www.ac2i.tzo.com/dctc/ ). Direct connect hubs tend to require a certain amount of shared material, however, such as 5 gigs. There's also the classic peer to peer filesharing network....IRC. Levi From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 18:06:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA20747 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:06:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA20744 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:06:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12018 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:06:09 -0500 Received: from web20308.mail.yahoo.com (web20308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.89]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gACN5j0F003066 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:05:46 -0500 Message-ID: <20021112230540.81722.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.174.249.48] by web20308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:05:40 PST Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:05:40 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] winMX To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3DD1207B.3090504@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yes, I use it. I download mp3, but I haven't seen anything for linux. Things might have changed in the last 2 months. William --- Paul Swider wrote: > Anybody heard of > http://winmx.com/ > for peer-to-peer file sharing? Is it legit, linuxable, spy-free, etc.? > > -- > Paul Swider > Cell 727.776.9979 > eFax 208.248.1869 > http://www.swider.net/Paul-Swider-resume.html > http://www.greenstar.org/pswider.htm > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 18:09:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA20791 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:09:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA20788 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:09:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12066 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:09:19 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACN8H0F003260 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:08:17 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (653296hfc113.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.96.113]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gACN8BfD016472 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:08:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:10:36 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Braman X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Data structures In-Reply-To: <3DD0B3EB.1020908@iotcorp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Hey Everyone, > > I've been doing some exploring on the net about data structures. EVERY > tutorial/explanation/what-have-you tells you what they are, how they > work, etc., but they do not under any circumstances tell you what you > would use them for...why would I use a stack, or a linked list, or > whatever? They also don't say how to use them in {programming language}. > This has been quite frustrating. Can anyone give me a hint, or point me > to some documentation that talks about why you'd want to use a given data > structure? You can read C++ guides for more detail, but the C++ Standard Library provides these three data structures: list, deque, and vector. Basically, a list is like a "linked list". You use one of these when you may perform manipulation anywhere in the list itself. For instance, deleting an item out of the center of a linked list is really easy. Deleting one out of the center of a deque or vector is harder. A deque is sort of like a stack which you can manipulate at both ends. You can treat it just like a normal stack by pushing items onto it and popping them off, or you can treat it like a queue by pushing items on to the front and popping them off the back. That's where a stack shines...when you have to manipulate the ends of the data structure. A vector, or an array, is the kind of data structure you use when you just need some place to store things. It's very easy to iterate over an array (unlike deque and list where you have to traverse pointers sometimes) because everything is contiguous. There are other data structures out there, like maps and hashes, but these three basic types will fill most needs pretty well. Paul Braman aeon@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 18:24:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA20970 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:24:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA20967 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:24:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12241 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:24:59 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gACNOF0F004290 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:24:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 82797 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2002 23:23:33 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 12 Nov 2002 23:23:33 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18BkO6-0000YN-00 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:24:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:24:01 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers Message-ID: <20021112232401.GE30535@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200211112105.37502.a.smitty@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 07:37:39AM -0500, Greg Schmidt wrote: > I once saw where someone trying to be helpful had pulled a broken jack out > of the floor and twisted all the wires tightly together. I don't know if > they didn't want the Token to get out or if they were trying to keep the > bits from escaping into the Ether. True story: There's a senior accountant at a very large accounting firm in Tampa (I won't mention which), who worked with computers all the time (accounting, you know). He actually believed that a printer cable had to be hooked to a printer, or else the bits would come out the end of the cable and get lost. I kid you not. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 18:44:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA21211 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:44:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA21208 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:44:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12491 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:44:19 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gACNhS0F005544 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:43:29 -0500 Received: (qmail 83108 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2002 23:42:46 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 12 Nov 2002 23:42:46 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Bkgi-0000Z2-00 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:43:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:43:15 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Data structures Message-ID: <20021112234315.GF30535@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200211112312.35218.me@ericherrera.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 11:43:10PM -0500, Russell Hires wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > This is my problem that I come across for most sites: > > STACK > "Definition: A collection of items in which only the most recently added item > may be removed. The latest added item is at the top. Basic operations are > push and pop. Also known as "last-in, first-out" or LIFO. " > > And my response: "Okay, great! What do you use it for?" or "So what?" This > simply says what a stack is, but nothing more. What would you push or pop? > And why would you? The only "data structure" that I get is the queue, and > only in one context: mouse clicks. You point and click on several items in a > sequence, and the queue processes them in the order that you clicked them. > This is kinda like showing you a picture of something and telling you it's a wrench. But without any further experience, it's not clear at all what a wrench is _for_, or why you should use one instead of your pliers (which look like they kinda do the same thing). A queue is kind of the reverse of a stack, because it's first-in-first-out, where a stack is last-in-first-out. Jason's example was a good one for a stack. Personally, I've never found the need to use a stack in a program. I know what they are, and I could probably code one from scratch if I needed to, but I just haven't found the need. A lot of data structures are that way-- worth knowing about, but you may never use them. But then the day comes where you're coding and you think, "I need something for this job... what would do this? A stack!" Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 18:48:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA21280 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:48:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA21273 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:48:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12542 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:48:09 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gACNlD0F005795 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:47:13 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (24161241hfc121.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.241.121]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gACNl71c029574 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:47:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DD194B1.50700@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:54:25 -0500 From: jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Help with Xfree 4.2 on ThinkPad 760 References: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A64@usush2kex03> <1037126870.2957.12.camel@slacker.textbox.net> <1037128331.2957.14.camel@slacker.textbox.net> <1037129983.919.2.camel@cpt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Mike Manchester wrote: >I'm running, well trying to run Redhat 8.0 on a Thinkpad 760 and can't >get xfree 4.2 to run. I was wondering if there would be anyone at >tomorrows meeting that could help me get it working? I'm not opposed to >going back to Xfree 3.3.6 or 4.1 to get X to run on this. > >Just let me know what you need me to bring other than the the Thinkpad >to tomorrows meeting. > >Thanks >Mike M. > > I haven't tried RH8 on a 760, but I know that there was an issue with the Trident drivers and any version of X higher than 3.3. To get RedHat 7 to work with X 4 on mine I had to select "unlisted svga adapter" rather than the Trident drivers. Have you tried that driver with X 4.2? Jeff From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 19:04:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA21459 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:04:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA21456 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:04:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12755 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:04:39 -0500 Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAD03k0F006880 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:03:47 -0500 Received: from 653266hfc186.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.66.186] helo=myduron) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Bl0O-0006fW-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:03:40 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c28aa8$349ae360$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Mindspring" To: References: <3DD1207B.3090504@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] winMX Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:49:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 44b05ea7a2d5b6629c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d1a452b6b4e1c7824dfe9e6cd4e94d166350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Winmx has been around for about 3 years yes it exist. Yes it has spyware. Also when using it your ip address is exposed. Also usually once you install it you will get alot of people trying to get inot your system through your open ports. Is it Linuxable that I could not tell you it was not originally designed for Linux when it was first out look at the name. Also right now the RIAA is now going after them as well. Bill Preece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Swider" To: "SLUG Suncoast Linux Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:38 AM Subject: [SLUG] winMX > Anybody heard of > http://winmx.com/ > for peer-to-peer file sharing? Is it legit, linuxable, spy-free, etc.? > > -- > Paul Swider > Cell 727.776.9979 > eFax 208.248.1869 > http://www.swider.net/Paul-Swider-resume.html > http://www.greenstar.org/pswider.htm > > > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 19:07:59 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA21521 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:07:59 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA21518 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:07:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12799 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:07:59 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAD07W0F007128 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:07:32 -0500 Received: (qmail 83540 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2002 00:06:50 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 2002 00:06:50 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Bl40-0000ao-00 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:07:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:07:19 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] (FWD) new email Message-ID: <20021113000719.GG30535@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Incredibly, after posting the original request to the _list_, receiving a private email from me, and then having it explained by others on the list as well, this fellow now sends me a private email asking the same exact question. Sometimes, you just gotta wonder.... Paul ----- Forwarded message from "r. jas gray" ----- From: "r. jas gray" Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:08:22 -0500 To: paulf@quillandmouse.com Subject: new email Message-ID: <20021112.120822.-274937.0.rgrayauto@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 please change my email address from rgrayauto@juno.com to rgrayauto@ij.net thanks ralph ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 20:10:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA22081 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:10:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA22078 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:10:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13455 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:10:09 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAD1930F011012 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:09:03 -0500 Received: from p3866 (5-119.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.119.5]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAD18v1c019062 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:08:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001801c28ab1$3fe03d20$0401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Peter S." To: References: <20021112014737.1067.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:08:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug http://www.coyotelinux.com/ This is where to find the Wolverine distro. DMZ comes from military terms.."Demilitarized Zone". DMZ is used by a network that wants to host its own Internet services without sacrificing unauthorized access to its private network. The DMZ sits between the Internet and an internal network's line of defense, usually some combination of firewalls and bastion hosts. Typically, the DMZ contains devices accessible to Internet traffic, such as Web (HTTP ) servers, FTP servers, SMTP (e-mail) servers and DNS servers. Bestway to learn the networking stuff (in my humble opinion), is to play with it. I was a nurse 3 years ago. Now am the Systems Administrator for a state goverment branch and have already exceeded my nursing salary. Have been "geeking-up" computers since 78'. Lost count of how many I have broken/fixed ("what's that funny smoking smell?") ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Coulter" To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers > > --- "Peter S." wrote: > > Good thread. I have worked with several solutions in the past. Using a > > 486, I ran Coyote for about a year. Cool distro, runs off of a floppy. I > > also took out the HD and the fan for a more quiet operation. Then you can > > telnet into it (or SSH) to manage from with in the LAN. Not much use for it > > when it comes to more complex stuff. Mimimal support for VPN. The guy that > > turned out Coyote is now working on "Wolverine". More robust, but requires > > better hardware. Minimum of Pentium with HD or bootable CD ROM (to load in > > to RAM). > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __ > > I was thinking about this idea at the start, but I am the only user. I am setting up a network at > my house so that I can learn this stuff. I really would like a job that deals with networking. I > thought that if I have a home network with several different things in it, I would have practice > for the job. > Where can I find the "wolverine"? I think that I have the hardware for it. > ____________________________________________________________________________ _______ > > > Linksys products are good for home networks. Allows for some > > portforwarding, MAC spoofing (for those annoying DOCIS compliant modems that > > RR turns out), limited VPN and DMZ stuff (along with some of the other > > things mentioned). I would suggest that, if you have not already committed > > to a wireless router/access point, keep your products seperate. The routers > > and wireless access points have been changing so much in the market, that > > one other other becomes obsolete with in a year.... they still work fine, > > but new products are constantly getting marketed so quickly, that the > > hardware is rapidly become "old stuff". Wireless security has grown by > > leaps and bounds. My main concern with it now is bandwidth. I don't want a > > neighbor "leaching" off of my bandwidth, when I download my 500meg files. > > I would love to get a wireless access point, but don't want to drop that > > initial investment for the one with the decent encription... and 72meg > > speed, along with NICs on 6-8 computers. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ______________ > > What is DMZ? > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ______________ > > > I did alot of research on what exactly I wanted, about 2 years ago, and > > ended up with a $70 Actron router... not that I highly recommend it, but has > > some cool subneting, DMZ features. I might play around with the "Wolverine" > > router next, just to get more familiar with the command line features that > > it has. If you have a little money to play with... look for a Cisco PIX > > 501. These have lots of features, DMZ, port forwarding, robust VPN, IDS > > (intrusion detection), "stateful packet filtering" (let's you "wade" through > > you logs). You can get one off of E-bay, sometimes, for about $340... they > > run new at about $450. I use one at work (a PIX 515). We use this for a > > LAN with about 100 user and have an internet presense with about 6 servers > > on our DMZ (one at work cost a bit more... $6000). The PIX 515 and the 501 > > have pretty much all of the same abilities, with the exception of the number > > of clients and the 501 does not have any "fail over" features. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___________ > > The Cisco PIX 501 or 515 would be great if I had the money for it. > > William > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 20:13:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA22121 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:13:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA22118 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:13:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13499 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:13:49 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAD1D20F011276 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:13:02 -0500 Received: from p3866 (5-119.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.119.5]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAD1CufC007505 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:12:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002601c28ab1$ce734320$0401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Peter S." To: References: <200211112105.37502.a.smitty@verizon.net> <20021112232401.GE30535@quillandmouse.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:12:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Boy, if I could just figure out how to set this laser printer on "stun".... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul M Foster" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cable/DSL routers > On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 07:37:39AM -0500, Greg Schmidt wrote: > > > > > I once saw where someone trying to be helpful had pulled a broken jack out > > of the floor and twisted all the wires tightly together. I don't know if > > they didn't want the Token to get out or if they were trying to keep the > > bits from escaping into the Ether. > > True story: There's a senior accountant at a very large accounting firm > in Tampa (I won't mention which), who worked with computers all the time > (accounting, you know). He actually believed that a printer cable had to > be hooked to a printer, or else the bits would come out the end of the > cable and get lost. I kid you not. > > Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 20:14:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA22138 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:14:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA22135 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:14:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13507 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:14:49 -0500 Received: from ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (mail.kingwoodcable.net [24.206.159.247]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAD1E40F011337 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:14:04 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D937350043 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:13:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from micro.hef (h65-222-109-126.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.109.126]) by ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C150B3500B0 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:13:06 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 30031 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2002 00:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iotcorp.com) (192.168.5.5) by 192.168.5.1 with SMTP; 13 Nov 2002 00:30:23 -0000 Message-ID: <3DD1617A.2090300@iotcorp.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:15:54 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan Organization: Integrated Object Technologies Corp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Data structures References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > There are other data structures out there, like maps and hashes, but these > three basic types will fill most needs pretty well. > There is another major category of data structure which is ideal for many types problem: trees. Binary trees and other tree structures are used for problems such as parsing/decomposing languages (especially logical languages containing evaluable expressions). Tree traversal is also one of the most common uses for recursion. In a sense, a tree is just many instances of the simple data types (vector or multiple linked-lists (in the case of a binary tree)), but because of the uses and behavior of these structures it is worth zooming-out and considering the tree as a different beast. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 20:16:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA22166 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:16:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA22158 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:16:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13536 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:16:19 -0500 Received: from pop016.verizon.net (pop016pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.173]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAD1FX0F011438 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:15:33 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.98.113]) by pop016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021113011527.JFFM1630.pop016.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:15:27 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] (FWD) new email Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:18:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20021113000719.GG30535@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20021113000719.GG30535@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211122018.56223.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop016.verizon.net from [4.47.98.113] at Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:15:27 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 12 November 2002 19:07, you wrote: > Incredibly, after posting the original request to the _list_, receiving > a private email from me, and then having it explained by others on the > list as well, this fellow now sends me a private email asking the same > exact question. > > Sometimes, you just gotta wonder.... > > Paul A case of semiliteracy or trollism? Smitty > > ----- Forwarded message from "r. jas gray" ----- > > From: "r. jas gray" > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:08:22 -0500 > To: paulf@quillandmouse.com > Subject: new email > Message-ID: <20021112.120822.-274937.0.rgrayauto@juno.com> > X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 > > please change my email address from rgrayauto@juno.com to > rgrayauto@ij.net > > thanks > ralph > > ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 20:33:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA22327 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:33:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA22319 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:32:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13702 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:32:59 -0500 Received: from out012.verizon.net (out012pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.137]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAD1W30F012471 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:32:04 -0500 Received: from there ([24.96.63.146]) by out012.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20021113013158.IRRC1488.out012.verizon.net@there> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:31:58 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: Subject: [SLUG] not a linux problem Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:30:44 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20021113013158.IRRC1488.out012.verizon.net@there> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is not a linux problem strictly speaking. I just bought a new mobo and celeron 1.7 and have a problem. How do I test to find out if the processor or motherboard is bad? I get no post beep and no video(to even check the bios) so if the thing doesnt even boot how do I know which is the culprit? It will power up all the HDDs and the mobo power light is on so I know that the power at least gets to the mobo,even the fan on the cpu works fine. I have used 2 different video cards to even eliminate the prospect of a bad video card. Since I am not getting any sort of post code at all (no beeps)how do I go about finding out which is not working properly? I mean I am going to return both but I was wondering from a "how would you know "standpoint. I would assume that with a known working system you could just swap processors and that would be the tellall but assuming that there is no other system what does one test? I have nothing but time while I wait for the shipping back and forth on this setup. Thanks, A J From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 20:37:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA22374 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:37:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA22365 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:37:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13756 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:37:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (207-172-69-241.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com [207.172.69.241]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAD1a60F012731 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:36:07 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAD1ctJS008804 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:38:56 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAD1csLV008802; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:38:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: david set sender to dmeyer07@tampabay.rr.com using -f Subject: Re: [SLUG] (FWD) new email From: David Meyer To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211122018.56223.a.smitty@verizon.net> References: <20021113000719.GG30535@quillandmouse.com> <200211122018.56223.a.smitty@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 12 Nov 2002 20:38:54 -0500 Message-Id: <1037151534.8767.0.camel@genoa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Damn shame when public education fails our youth. On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 20:18, Smitty wrote: > On Tuesday 12 November 2002 19:07, you wrote: > > Incredibly, after posting the original request to the _list_, receiving > > a private email from me, and then having it explained by others on the > > list as well, this fellow now sends me a private email asking the same > > exact question. > > > > Sometimes, you just gotta wonder.... > > > > Paul > > A case of semiliteracy or trollism? > Smitty > > > > ----- Forwarded message from "r. jas gray" ----- > > > > From: "r. jas gray" > > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:08:22 -0500 > > To: paulf@quillandmouse.com > > Subject: new email > > Message-ID: <20021112.120822.-274937.0.rgrayauto@juno.com> > > X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 > > > > please change my email address from rgrayauto@juno.com to > > rgrayauto@ij.net > > > > thanks > > ralph > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 20:59:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA22580 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:59:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA22577 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:59:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13996 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:59:19 -0500 Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAD1we0F014161 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:58:40 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Bmna-0005Zc-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:58:34 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18BmnN-0005nh-00 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:58:21 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Data structures Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:58:14 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20021112234315.GF30535@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20021112234315.GF30535@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e76a8350f17b3c4189a4d7d9c06f5d98826350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > This is kinda like showing you a picture of something and telling you > it's a wrench. But without any further experience, it's not clear at all > what a wrench is _for_, or why you should use one instead of your > pliers (which look like they kinda do the same thing). Yes! This is so true! Thanks for understanding my dilemma.... Maybe one day I'll put up a web page that explains what to do with this stuff. There seems to be an intermediate step missing: it should go from data structures, to why you'd use them, to algorithms. Or something like that. I now will take this off list. Russell > A queue is kind of the reverse of a stack, because it's > first-in-first-out, where a stack is last-in-first-out. Jason's > example was a good one for a stack. Personally, I've never found the > need to use a stack in a program. I know what they are, and I could > probably code one from scratch if I needed to, but I just haven't found > the need. A lot of data structures are that way-- worth knowing about, > but you may never use them. But then the day comes where you're coding > and you think, "I need something for this job... what would do this? A > stack!" > > Paul - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE90bG6AqKGrvVshJQRAqkMAKDwzikRJm8OJLdUg02il7+843Z1yQCfRr57 LSowIu7g9b4gIc9eLnJDJ4s= =wTOd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 21:01:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA22618 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:01:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA22615 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:01:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14032 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:01:49 -0500 Received: from pop015.verizon.net (pop015pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.172]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAD2120F014311 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:01:02 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.63.229.144]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021113020057.JFTY28019.pop015.verizon.net@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:00:57 -0600 Subject: Re: [SLUG] (FWD) new email From: Vince Meiste To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1037151534.8767.0.camel@genoa> References: <20021113000719.GG30535@quillandmouse.com> <200211122018.56223.a.smitty@verizon.net> <1037151534.8767.0.camel@genoa> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1037152860.1290.0.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 12 Nov 2002 21:01:00 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop015.verizon.net from [4.63.229.144] at Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:00:56 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug He sounds like management material to me!! :-) Sorry, it's the Dilbert in me...... Vince On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 20:38, David Meyer wrote: > Damn shame when public education fails our youth. > > On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 20:18, Smitty wrote: > > On Tuesday 12 November 2002 19:07, you wrote: > > > Incredibly, after posting the original request to the _list_, receiving > > > a private email from me, and then having it explained by others on the > > > list as well, this fellow now sends me a private email asking the same > > > exact question. > > > > > > Sometimes, you just gotta wonder.... > > > > > > Paul > > > > A case of semiliteracy or trollism? > > Smitty > > > > > > ----- Forwarded message from "r. jas gray" ----- > > > > > > From: "r. jas gray" > > > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:08:22 -0500 > > > To: paulf@quillandmouse.com > > > Subject: new email > > > Message-ID: <20021112.120822.-274937.0.rgrayauto@juno.com> > > > X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 > > > > > > please change my email address from rgrayauto@juno.com to > > > rgrayauto@ij.net > > > > > > thanks > > > ralph > > > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- Vince Meiste From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 21:13:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA22713 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:13:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA22710 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:13:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14139 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:13:11 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAD2CY0F015015 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:12:34 -0500 Received: from p3866 (5-119.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.119.5]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAD2CS1c021130 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:12:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001701c28aba$1f936a20$0401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Peter S." To: References: <20021113013158.IRRC1488.out012.verizon.net@there> Subject: Re: [SLUG] not a linux problem Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:12:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Boy, tough situation. First thing I think of is the video... which you have already tested. Are they good video cards? Is one PCI and the other AGP? I have run into this "no posting beep" about 4 times in the past. Twice was a bad/loose video card. Once, the power supply was bad. And the last, was the power supply shipped with the switch being 220 (rather than 115). ----- Original Message ----- From: "A2L1" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: [SLUG] not a linux problem > This is not a linux problem strictly speaking. I just > bought a new mobo and celeron 1.7 and have a problem. How > do I test to find out if the processor or motherboard is > bad? > I get no post beep and no video(to even check the bios) so > if the thing doesnt even boot how do I know which is the > culprit? It will power up all the HDDs and the mobo power > light is on so I know that the power at least gets to the > mobo,even the fan on the cpu works fine. I have used 2 > different video cards to even eliminate the prospect of a > bad video card. Since I am not getting any sort of post > code at all (no beeps)how do I go about finding out which > is not working properly? > I mean I am going to return both but I was wondering from a > "how would you know "standpoint. > I would assume that with a known working system you could > just swap processors and that would be the tellall but > assuming that there is no other system what does one test? > I have nothing but time while I wait for the shipping back > and forth on this setup. > > Thanks, > A J From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 21:13:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA22723 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:13:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA22720 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:13:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14144 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:13:31 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAD2D10F015051 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:13:01 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (653296hfc113.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.96.113]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAD2Ct1d021364 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:12:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:15:22 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Braman X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Data structures In-Reply-To: <20021112234315.GF30535@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug To learn more about data structures, et al, you really need to check out _The Art of Computer Programming_, by Donald E. Knuth. This series (4 or so volumes) is the definitive text on what these things are, how they came into being, and how you make the most out of them. Paul Braman aeon@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 21:25:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA22832 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:25:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA22829 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:25:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14262 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:25:30 -0500 Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAD2Ok0F015784 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:24:46 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.215.221.167.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.215.221.167] helo=streams.grepfu.org) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18BnCl-0006I5-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:24:36 -0800 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:19:00 -0500 (EST) From: Joseph Burnsworth X-X-Sender: jburnsworth@streams.grepfu.org To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] not a linux problem In-Reply-To: <20021113013158.IRRC1488.out012.verizon.net@there> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have had instances where the AGP video card was not plugged _all_ the way in... Some you have to put a little pressure on it until you feel it snap in there. Just my 2 cents.. - Joe Linux kernel version 2.4.18 9:19pm up 7 days, 23:37, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCM d- s+: a C+++ UL+++ P+++ L++++ E--- W N++ o+++ K--- w--- O M- V PS+ PE Y++ PGP t 5 X+ R- tv-- b+ DI++ D G e+ h---- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, A2L1 wrote: > This is not a linux problem strictly speaking. I just > bought a new mobo and celeron 1.7 and have a problem. How > do I test to find out if the processor or motherboard is > bad? > I get no post beep and no video(to even check the bios) so > if the thing doesnt even boot how do I know which is the > culprit? It will power up all the HDDs and the mobo power > light is on so I know that the power at least gets to the > mobo,even the fan on the cpu works fine. I have used 2 > different video cards to even eliminate the prospect of a > bad video card. Since I am not getting any sort of post > code at all (no beeps)how do I go about finding out which > is not working properly? > I mean I am going to return both but I was wondering from a > "how would you know "standpoint. > I would assume that with a known working system you could > just swap processors and that would be the tellall but > assuming that there is no other system what does one test? > I have nothing but time while I wait for the shipping back > and forth on this setup. > > Thanks, > A J > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 21:44:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA23013 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:44:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA23010 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:44:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14433 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:44:00 -0500 Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAD2hK0F016933 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:43:21 -0500 Received: from 653266hfc186.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.66.186] helo=myduron) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18BnUo-0003Im-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:43:15 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01c28abe$7f59b500$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Mindspring" To: References: <20021113013158.IRRC1488.out012.verizon.net@there> Subject: Re: [SLUG] not a linux problem Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:43:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 44b05ea7a2d5b6629c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4dfc1b2f44bb6f09fd81add72999c6b935350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I know this is not what you want to hear but do the following. Unhook all drive cables and take out all your cards except the video next un hook all the case wires. now hook up the power wire first to the mobo then make sure you keyboard and mouse are connected then power it up. Next then make sure your speaker wires are on properly. Go one at a time. This is how you eliminate the problems. No matter if you think everything is right check and recheck those first if you for instance hook up the hd light , reset, turbo etc if one is just so slightly out it will do this. I made this mistake a few months ago had on wire out of place and experienced the thing you are. Most likely if it is brandnew the mb and cpu are usually not always but usually ok. Just one mere wire or something not fully seated. Again start with the power cable , keyboard and mouse hooked up monitor no drive cables or nothign else then see if you get your scrren to enter cmos if so then you already found out that it is a cable hooked up wrong. Good Luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "A2L1" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: [SLUG] not a linux problem > This is not a linux problem strictly speaking. I just > bought a new mobo and celeron 1.7 and have a problem. How > do I test to find out if the processor or motherboard is > bad? > I get no post beep and no video(to even check the bios) so > if the thing doesnt even boot how do I know which is the > culprit? It will power up all the HDDs and the mobo power > light is on so I know that the power at least gets to the > mobo,even the fan on the cpu works fine. I have used 2 > different video cards to even eliminate the prospect of a > bad video card. Since I am not getting any sort of post > code at all (no beeps)how do I go about finding out which > is not working properly? > I mean I am going to return both but I was wondering from a > "how would you know "standpoint. > I would assume that with a known working system you could > just swap processors and that would be the tellall but > assuming that there is no other system what does one test? > I have nothing but time while I wait for the shipping back > and forth on this setup. > > Thanks, > A J From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 21:54:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA23110 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:54:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA23107 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:54:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14529 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:54:00 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAD2rK0F017548 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:53:20 -0500 Received: from oemcomputer (106-58.73-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.73.58.106]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAD2r61e005824 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:53:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008901c28abf$88a1ffe0$6a3a4918@tampabay.rr.com> From: "JamesS" To: References: <20021113013158.IRRC1488.out012.verizon.net@there> Subject: Re: [SLUG] not a linux problem Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:51:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I am supposing you have the MB setup in a case with nothing more than the board, processor, memory, video card, and a speaker so you can hear the beep. I did have a athlon 650 puter that was doing the same thing. Tried 3 different AGP video cards, 3 sticks of memory before i found that the cmos jumper was set to clear. still go no beeps and no video. For a lark i put in an old trident PCI video card and the puter fired right up after moving the cmos jumper off clear. I still dont have any beeps since it doesnt have a speaker attached to the MB. Like you i was getting the fan on the processor turning on and when i hooked the floppy and a cdrom drive the lights lit up on them. dont know if it helps but you can fire them up without being in a case. The MB may be shorting out to the case. If you still dont get it to fire up, replace the MB first as it is usually the culprit. I have only had one bad processor in 15 puters i have been building. JamesS From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 23:06:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA23754 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:06:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA23751 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:06:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15224 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:06:00 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAD44x0F021931 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:04:59 -0500 Received: (qmail 87133 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2002 04:04:18 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 2002 04:04:18 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Boln-0000vr-00 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:04:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:04:47 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Data structures Message-ID: <20021113040447.GB3546@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20021112234315.GF30535@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 09:15:22PM -0500, Paul Braman wrote: > > To learn more about data structures, et al, you really need to check out > _The Art of Computer Programming_, by Donald E. Knuth. This series > (4 or so volumes) is the definitive text on what these things are, how > they came into being, and how you make the most out of them. While this is true, I wouldn't wish Knuth on a novice programmer. Nor Wirth, nor Stroustrup, nor Musser and Saini for that matter. Nor Schildt, since it's well known his books are inaccurate. Personally I prefer Bruce Eckel and Al Stevens whenever possible, but I don't think they've done any books on data structures. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 23:15:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA23826 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:15:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA23823 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:15:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15312 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:15:30 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAD4Er0F022537 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:14:53 -0500 Received: (qmail 87644 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2002 04:14:11 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 2002 04:14:11 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18BovL-0000wE-00 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:14:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:14:39 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] (FWD) new email Message-ID: <20021113041439.GC3546@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20021113000719.GG30535@quillandmouse.com> <200211122018.56223.a.smitty@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200211122018.56223.a.smitty@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 08:18:56PM -0500, Smitty wrote: > On Tuesday 12 November 2002 19:07, you wrote: > > Incredibly, after posting the original request to the _list_, receiving > > a private email from me, and then having it explained by others on the > > list as well, this fellow now sends me a private email asking the same > > exact question. > > > > Sometimes, you just gotta wonder.... > > > > Paul > > A case of semiliteracy or trollism? Semiliteracy. Notice the lack of punctuation and capitalization. That's okay, though. I worked it out so that he'll _have_ to learn how to follow the instructions if he wants to get any more SLUG email. Paul > Smitty > > > > ----- Forwarded message from "r. jas gray" ----- > > > > From: "r. jas gray" > > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:08:22 -0500 > > To: paulf@quillandmouse.com > > Subject: new email > > Message-ID: <20021112.120822.-274937.0.rgrayauto@juno.com> > > X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 > > > > please change my email address from rgrayauto@juno.com to > > rgrayauto@ij.net > > > > thanks > > ralph > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 12 23:27:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA23998 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:27:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA23995 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:27:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15458 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:27:50 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAD4RL0F023344 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:27:21 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id CF9B75F41 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:22:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:22:41 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] not a linux problem Message-Id: <20021112232241.1cd95730.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <20021113013158.IRRC1488.out012.verizon.net@there> References: <20021113013158.IRRC1488.out012.verizon.net@there> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > I get no post beep and no video(to even check the bios) so > if the thing doesnt even boot how do I know which is the > culprit? It will power up all the HDDs and the mobo power > light is on so I know that the power at least gets to the > mobo,even the fan on the cpu works fine. Most contemporary PC systems will not even power on if one or more of {motherboard,ram,cpu} is bad. It strongly suggests to me that the problem is none of these if the HDDs power up and the lights come on. > I have used 2 > different video cards to even eliminate the prospect of a > bad video card. Since I am not getting any sort of post > code at all (no beeps)how do I go about finding out which > is not working properly? If you're not getting a post code, it further suggests that everything's working fine except the video. It could be that you're not getting the video card plugged in all the way, as suggested earlier. Your AGP slot could also be bad, although that's pretty rare. It might just be something mundane like the way the bios is set up, causing a problem with the AGP video. In any case, I'd try a PCI video card out. Another thing to try: go through the motherboard manual and check that the positions of all the jumpers are what you want them to be. Levi From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 01:50:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA25349 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:50:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA25346 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:50:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17003 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:50:20 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAD6ni0F032355 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:49:44 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (653271hfc191.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.71.191]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAD6ncfC005737 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:49:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] not a linux problem From: Jim Lange To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20021112232241.1cd95730.levi@bard.sytes.net> References: <20021113013158.IRRC1488.out012.verizon.net@there> <20021112232241.1cd95730.levi@bard.sytes.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-1elx) Date: 13 Nov 2002 01:46:19 -0500 Message-Id: <1037169980.1337.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 23:22, Levi Bard wrote: > > I get no post beep and no video(to even check the bios) so > > if the thing doesnt even boot how do I know which is the > > culprit? It will power up all the HDDs and the mobo power > > light is on so I know that the power at least gets to the > > mobo,even the fan on the cpu works fine. > > Most contemporary PC systems will not even power on if one or >more of {motherboard,ram,cpu} is bad. It strongly suggests to me >that the problem is none of these if the HDDs power up and the lights come on. I had a similar problem and called the phone support of one of the local computer shops. They had me pull out the memory and then try again listening for beeps. A quick seach of google for motherboard error codes will get you a list. I believe bad video cards for certain bios' is one long and two or three short beeps. But since you are getting no beeps, this won't help. Since I didn't have a compatable cpu or memory to try swapping out, I yanked the motherboard out and took it down to the store I bought it from. It worked fine for them, so I left with the only remaining variable, a new power supply. If you didn't buy it locally, you could always buy another memory stick from one of the local computer stores and have them install and check it out for you. Most will do it for free as long as the motherboard is not mounted in a case. Jim > > > I have used 2 > > different video cards to even eliminate the prospect of a > > bad video card. Since I am not getting any sort of post > > code at all (no beeps)how do I go about finding out which > > is not working properly? > > If you're not getting a post code, it further suggests that >everything's working fine except the video. It could be that >you're not getting the video card plugged in all the way, as >suggested earlier. Your AGP slot could also be bad, although > that's pretty rare. It might just be something mundane like >the way the bios is set up, causing a problem with the AGP video. >In any case, I'd try a PCI video card out. > > Another thing to try: go through the motherboard manual and check that the positions of all the jumpers are what you want them to be. > > Levi From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 08:58:42 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA30470 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:58:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA30467 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:58:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22232 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:58:41 -0500 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gADDvk0F028054 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:57:46 -0500 Received: from user-33qtubt.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.249.125] helo=localhost.localdomain) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18By1P-0005RO-00; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 05:57:36 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net, "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" Subject: [SLUG] Think Pad Modem Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:01:18 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <001601c28a0f$decb4080$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <3DD15957.2080507@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: <3DD15957.2080507@roblimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211130901.18787.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Do you have the winmodem in your Thinkpad working in linux? If so what did you do to make it work? Thanks Frank > I want to try Xandros, but the CD they shipped me wouldn't boot either > my HP or Thinkpad laptops, both of which are now happily running > Mandrake 9.0. Defective Xandros CD, I suppose. They're supposed to send > me another one... > > - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 09:18:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA30700 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:18:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA30688 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:18:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22445 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:18:01 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gADEH20F029245 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:17:02 -0500 Received: from test01 (102bus18.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.102.18]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gADEGtfC004309 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:16:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <04bf01c28b1f$52852620$3249490a@test01> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <20021113013158.IRRC1488.out012.verizon.net@there> <20021112232241.1cd95730.levi@bard.sytes.net> <1037169980.1337.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: [SLUG] not a linux problem Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:16:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The idea was that the video display would show the (any) error code, and the 'dah-di-di' beep would indicate just that no video was present. This is actually the letter 'D' (as in Display) in Morse code. So the only audible beep for error condition is the no-video parameter. I think the 'dah-di-di' post code is present in all BIOS. You could always pull the video card and test it... Bob > > > I get no post beep and no video(to even check the bios) so > codes will get you a list. I believe bad video cards for certain bios' > is one long and two or three short beeps. But since you are getting no From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 09:21:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA30755 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:21:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA30752 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:21:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22500 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:21:21 -0500 Received: from mail.vasoftware.com (mail.vasoftware.com [198.186.202.175]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gADEKu0F029516 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:20:56 -0500 Received: from pcp281688pcs.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net ([68.55.236.92] helo=roblimo.com) by mail.vasoftware.com with asmtp (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 18ByNu-0001KT-00 by VAauthid with fixed_plain for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:20:50 -0800 Message-ID: <3DD25F8B.3070304@roblimo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:19:55 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Think Pad Modem References: <001601c28a0f$decb4080$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <3DD15957.2080507@roblimo.com> <200211130901.18787.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Frank Roberts - SOTL wrote: >Do you have the winmodem in your Thinkpad working in linux? >If so what did you do to make it work? > I have a commercial T-20 that has a network card and no modem. Since PCMCIA modems are now pretty cheap, I have never tried to make a laptop winmodem work, even though a lot of them now will work under Linux with the right drivers. - Robin > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 09:38:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA31000 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:38:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA30990 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:38:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22742 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:38:01 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-20.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.20] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gADEb70F030645 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:37:07 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.20]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA29855 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:36:18 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA22245 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:36:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] Think Pad Modem From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <200211130901.18787.sotl155360@earthlink.net> References: <001601c28a0f$decb4080$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <3DD15957.2080507@roblimo.com> <200211130901.18787.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-2mBlI8bkWxPYG8Gyq9K3" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 13 Nov 2002 09:36:17 -0500 Message-Id: <1037198177.19989.98.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-2mBlI8bkWxPYG8Gyq9K3 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 09:01, Frank Roberts - SOTL wrote: > Do you have the winmodem in your Thinkpad working in linux? > If so what did you do to make it work? >=20 Check out:=20 http://www.linmodems.org/ --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 "An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly." --=-2mBlI8bkWxPYG8Gyq9K3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA90mNhIomZUAi8ewYRAjl4AJoDyX9p6cVoLiiwdiWmDBKfb1FnbwCdEVxf 8t7jWgLPxDo5EjqFMy/vMw0= =NGTB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-2mBlI8bkWxPYG8Gyq9K3-- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 09:41:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA31049 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:41:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA31041 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:41:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22783 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:41:51 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gADEeZ0F030880 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:40:35 -0500 Received: from test01 (102bus18.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.102.18]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gADEeTfC017265 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:40:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <04fa01c28b22$9cc4fe60$3249490a@test01> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] not a linux problem Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:40:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Some of these PCI (and AGP?) cards, if even slightly misaligned (one end seated, the other end not fully seated) can cause a short in adjacent contacts which can keep the PS from coming on. That doesn't seem like the problem here, but it is worth keeping in mind for systems that refuse to power-on Bob > > I have had instances where the AGP video card was not > plugged _all_ the way in... Some you have to put a little pressure > on it until you feel it snap in there. > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 12:54:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA01293 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:54:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA01285 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:54:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25411 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:54:31 -0500 Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gADHqI0F011345 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:52:19 -0500 Received: from there ([24.96.63.146]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20021113175213.QWOI1443.out011.verizon.net@there> for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:52:13 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] not a linux problem Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:50:57 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20021113013158.IRRC1488.out012.verizon.net@there> In-Reply-To: <20021113013158.IRRC1488.out012.verizon.net@there> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20021113175213.QWOI1443.out011.verizon.net@there> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 12 November 2002 20:30, you wrote: > This is not a linux problem strictly speaking. I just > bought a new mobo and celeron 1.7 and have a problem. How > do I test to find out if the processor or motherboard is > bad? OK I have found out (from the company that makes the mobo) that the mobo is a 423 pin and the processor is a 478 pin. Why it fits in the slot is beyond me--I mean it just drops right in --- anyway it seems that there is an adapter that converts the mobo from a 423 pin to a 478 pin and that is not included/installed. There are real idiots out there operating business that have no idea of what is proper and have no technical knowledge whatsoever. From our discussion it seems that the mobo cpu combo will work with the adapter but it is not as efficient and one should just have a diff mobo. Thanks to all that replied and offered suggestions. If I am not able to resolve this with the company that I ordered it from I guess there will be a 423 mobo for sale on the sales page Thanks again, A J From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 13:08:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA01546 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:08:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA01538 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:08:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25612 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:08:34 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gADI7i0F012397 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:07:45 -0500 Received: (qmail 19489 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2002 18:07:39 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 2002 18:07:39 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:07:38 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] IBM competing with MS$ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:01:29 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c28b3e$b229eb00$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021113175213.QWOI1443.out011.verizon.net@there> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I picked up a short blurb on the news this morning and only part of it unfortunately. The essence of it was that IBM was announcing that they are going to compete directly with MS$ for the desktop market with their own OS. Has anyone heard this or was I hearing things. Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 13:18:44 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA01688 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:18:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA01685 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:18:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25773 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:18:44 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gADIIG0F013142 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:18:16 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.104] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gADIIA1c017894 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:18:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Think Pad Modem From: Matt To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200211130901.18787.sotl155360@earthlink.net> References: <001601c28a0f$decb4080$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <3DD15957.2080507@roblimo.com> <200211130901.18787.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Textbox Networks Message-Id: <1037211432.5441.14.camel@slacker.textbox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 13 Nov 2002 13:17:13 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have a 390e (300MHz P2M - 256MB RAM) that also has the ever so wonderful Lucent Winmodem. From sites I have found around the net (www.linux-laptop.net & www.linmodems.org) say it can be done, I have yet to get it working. Be it that PCMCIA modems are so cheap I was able to come across a 3COM 10/100LAN+56k for $30 on the net (Price Watch has them for $40 - Model number 3CCFEM556B) that worked great... ...Until the dongle broke :-p On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 09:01, Frank Roberts - SOTL wrote: > Do you have the winmodem in your Thinkpad working in linux? > If so what did you do to make it work? > > Thanks > > Frank > > > I want to try Xandros, but the CD they shipped me wouldn't boot either > > my HP or Thinkpad laptops, both of which are now happily running > > Mandrake 9.0. Defective Xandros CD, I suppose. They're supposed to send > > me another one... > > > > - Robin > -- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 13:22:44 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA01752 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:22:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA01749 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:22:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25839 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:22:44 -0500 Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gADIMG0F013427 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:22:16 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.98.113]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021113182211.WKMV3265.out001.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:22:11 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] not a linux problem Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:25:37 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20021113013158.IRRC1488.out012.verizon.net@there> <20021113175213.QWOI1443.out011.verizon.net@there> In-Reply-To: <20021113175213.QWOI1443.out011.verizon.net@there> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211131325.37718.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out001.verizon.net from [4.47.98.113] at Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:22:10 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug AJ, If you paid with a credit card, simply ship the mobo back to them and write the bank that issued that issued the card to repudiate the charge with a copy of your shipping document. Keep in mind the Moss-Magnusson Fair Trade act. Also, I think it would benefit everyone on this list if you were to reveal the name of the offending firm and there location so we won't make the mistake of doing business with them. Smitty On Wednesday 13 November 2002 12:50, you wrote: > On Tuesday 12 November 2002 20:30, you wrote: > > This is not a linux problem strictly speaking. I just > > bought a new mobo and celeron 1.7 and have a problem. How > > do I test to find out if the processor or motherboard is > > bad? > > OK > I have found out (from the company that makes the mobo) > that the mobo is a 423 pin and the processor is a 478 pin. > Why it fits in the slot is beyond me--I mean it just drops > right in --- anyway it seems that there is an adapter that > converts the mobo from a 423 pin to a 478 pin and that is > not included/installed. There are real idiots out there > operating business that have no idea of what is proper and > have no technical knowledge whatsoever. From our discussion > it seems that the mobo cpu combo will work with the adapter > but it is not as efficient and one should just have a diff > mobo. > Thanks to all that replied and offered suggestions. If I > am not able to resolve this with the company that I ordered > it from I guess there will be a 423 mobo for sale on the > sales page > > Thanks again, > A J From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 13:59:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA02289 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:59:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA02286 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:59:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26340 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:59:13 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gADIwt0F015882 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:58:55 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id A4AE65F25 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:53:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:54:07 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Think Pad Modem Message-Id: <20021113135407.056ee2ba.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <1037211432.5441.14.camel@slacker.textbox.net> References: <001601c28a0f$decb4080$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <3DD15957.2080507@roblimo.com> <200211130901.18787.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <1037211432.5441.14.camel@slacker.textbox.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > I have a 390e (300MHz P2M - 256MB RAM) that also has the ever so > wonderful Lucent Winmodem. From sites I have found around the net > (www.linux-laptop.net & www.linmodems.org) say it can be done, I have > yet to get it working. I have a compaq presario 1247 laptop, with a lucent winmodem, and I got it working using the drivers at http://www.heby.de/ltmodem (linked at linmodems.org). I'm not sure which modem the thinkpad 390e has, but it seems to be from the same time period as my laptop, so I'd bet they share a chipset. Levi From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 14:12:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA02467 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:12:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA02458 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:12:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26533 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:12:53 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gADJC20F016775 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:12:03 -0500 Received: (qmail 16143 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2002 19:11:58 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 2002 19:11:58 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:11:56 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] W2K and RH8.0 dual boot Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:05:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c28b47$adc912d0$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000501c28b3e$b229eb00$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Well, I have W2K and RH 8.0 both loaded and the instructions for booting from the W3K boot loader is not working,, it does not even see Linux. What do I have to alter to get it dual booting from 'Grub'. I just don't know the entry to put in to grub to make this happen. And, since Grub is in the /boot partition and not the MBR do I have to format the /MBR or can I just make Grub operate from the MBR rather than /boot. Haven't worked with grub before so this new to me. Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 14:41:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA02851 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:41:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA02839 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:41:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26895 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:41:24 -0500 Received: from out006.verizon.net (out006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.106]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gADJeC0F018650 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:40:12 -0500 Received: from there ([24.96.63.146]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20021113194006.ZKST7305.out006.verizon.net@there> for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:40:06 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] not a linux problem Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 14:38:50 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20021113013158.IRRC1488.out012.verizon.net@there> <20021113175213.QWOI1443.out011.verizon.net@there> <200211131325.37718.a.smitty@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200211131325.37718.a.smitty@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20021113194006.ZKST7305.out006.verizon.net@there> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Sounds logical but the dispute is that the system is incomplete and the credit card company says that I have to pay return shipping and a restocking fee of 15% as stated on the website and order form. Well that ,and the original shipping(which is non-refundable will come almost to the cost of the original parts. It seems in my best interest to keep the mobo and just order another(correct one) from another company. I agree that no-one else should be burned and am including the company name and address Target USA, Inc. 36445 Biltmore Place Unit E Willoughby, OH 44094 Hope this saves someone some grief AJ On Wednesday 13 November 2002 13:25, you wrote: > AJ, > If you paid with a credit card, simply ship the mobo back > to them and write the bank that issued that issued the > card to repudiate the charge with a copy of your shipping > document. Keep in mind the Moss-Magnusson Fair Trade > act. Also, I think it would benefit everyone on this list > if you were to reveal the name of the offending firm and > there location so we won't make the mistake of doing > business with them. > Smitty > > On Wednesday 13 November 2002 12:50, you wrote: > > On Tuesday 12 November 2002 20:30, you wrote: > > > This is not a linux problem strictly speaking. I just > > > bought a new mobo and celeron 1.7 and have a problem. > > > How do I test to find out if the processor or > > > motherboard is bad? > > > > OK > > I have found out (from the company that makes the mobo) > > that the mobo is a 423 pin and the processor is a 478 > > pin. Why it fits in the slot is beyond me--I mean it > > just drops right in --- anyway it seems that there is > > an adapter that converts the mobo from a 423 pin to a > > 478 pin and that is not included/installed. There are > > real idiots out there operating business that have no > > idea of what is proper and have no technical knowledge > > whatsoever. From our discussion it seems that the mobo > > cpu combo will work with the adapter but it is not as > > efficient and one should just have a diff mobo. > > Thanks to all that replied and offered suggestions. If > > I am not able to resolve this with the company that I > > ordered it from I guess there will be a 423 mobo for > > sale on the sales page > > > > Thanks again, > > A J From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 15:52:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03846 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:52:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA03843 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:52:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27848 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:52:53 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gADKqH0F023503 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:52:17 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.104] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gADKq9fC027498 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:52:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Think Pad Modem - WOW From: Matt To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <20021113135407.056ee2ba.levi@bard.sytes.net> References: <001601c28a0f$decb4080$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <3DD15957.2080507@roblimo.com> <200211130901.18787.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <1037211432.5441.14.camel@slacker.textbox.net> <20021113135407.056ee2ba.levi@bard.sytes.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Textbox Networks Message-Id: <1037220671.5441.19.camel@slacker.textbox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 13 Nov 2002 15:51:11 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Much thanks Levi! The rpm there DID work for SuSE, The modem now initializes and is ready to dial out (very painlessly I might add). I was trying in Slack8 before and it was a real pain in the arse, SuSE seems to just love my hardware. It sure is a nice feeling =) On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 13:54, Levi Bard wrote: > > I have a 390e (300MHz P2M - 256MB RAM) that also has the ever so > > wonderful Lucent Winmodem. From sites I have found around the net > > (www.linux-laptop.net & www.linmodems.org) say it can be done, I have > > yet to get it working. > > I have a compaq presario 1247 laptop, with a lucent winmodem, and I got it working using the drivers at http://www.heby.de/ltmodem (linked at linmodems.org). I'm not sure which modem the thinkpad 390e has, but it seems to be from the same time period as my laptop, so I'd bet they share a chipset. > > Levi -- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 16:06:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA04039 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:06:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA04032 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:06:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28031 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:06:03 -0500 Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gADL530F024339 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:05:04 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.98.113]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021113210458.XYTC3265.out001.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:04:58 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] W2K and RH8.0 dual boot Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:08:25 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <000001c28b47$adc912d0$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> In-Reply-To: <000001c28b47$adc912d0$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211131608.25319.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out001.verizon.net from [4.47.98.113] at Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:04:58 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I hope you loaded win2k first and then linux, as the ms prog cannibalizes the linux mbr like an army of pacmen. You want to boot from lilo or grub and if linux was installed after 'doze, it should appear as an option at the boot prompt. Smitty On Wednesday 13 November 2002 14:05, you wrote: > Well, I have W2K and RH 8.0 both loaded and the instructions for booting > from the W3K boot loader is not working,, it does not even see Linux. > What do I have to alter to get it dual booting from 'Grub'. I just > don't know the entry to put in to grub to make this happen. And, since > Grub is in the /boot partition and not the MBR do I have to format the > /MBR or can I just make Grub operate from the MBR rather than /boot. > Haven't worked with grub before so this new to me. > > > Michael C. Rock > Systems Analyst > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 16:27:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA04393 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:27:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA04390 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:27:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28318 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:27:13 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gADLQk0F025800 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:26:47 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 461355F25 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:21:43 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:21:57 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Think Pad Modem - WOW Message-Id: <20021113162157.47ce8dca.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <1037220671.5441.19.camel@slacker.textbox.net> References: <001601c28a0f$decb4080$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> <3DD15957.2080507@roblimo.com> <200211130901.18787.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <1037211432.5441.14.camel@slacker.textbox.net> <20021113135407.056ee2ba.levi@bard.sytes.net> <1037220671.5441.19.camel@slacker.textbox.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Much thanks Levi! The rpm there DID work for SuSE, The modem now > initializes and is ready to dial out (very painlessly I might add). I > was trying in Slack8 before and it was a real pain in the arse, SuSE > seems to just love my hardware. It sure is a nice feeling =) Great, glad I could help. Works fine in Debian too. ;) Levi From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 17:28:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA05285 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:28:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA05282 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:28:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29072 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:28:23 -0500 Received: from pop017.verizon.net (pop017pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.210]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gADMRb0F029812 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:27:37 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.63.229.144]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021113222731.QIJZ1423.pop017.verizon.net@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:27:31 -0600 Subject: Re: [SLUG] IBM competing with MS$ From: Vince Meiste To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <000501c28b3e$b229eb00$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> References: <000501c28b3e$b229eb00$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1037226458.1061.1.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 13 Nov 2002 17:27:38 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop017.verizon.net from [4.63.229.144] at Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:27:31 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug IBM already has a great competitor desktop OS.........OS/2. It's just been neglected by IBM for years but beats the hell out of M$ Windoz. IMHO..... Vince On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 13:01, Mikes work account wrote: > I picked up a short blurb on the news this morning and only part of it > unfortunately. The essence of it was that IBM was announcing that they > are going to compete directly with MS$ for the desktop market with their > own OS. Has anyone heard this or was I hearing things. > > > Michael C. Rock > Systems Analyst > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" > > > > -- Vince Meiste From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 22:13:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA09282 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:13:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09279 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:13:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32448 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:13:55 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAE3D60F015947 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:13:08 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAE4InXX023810 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:18:49 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAE4Ifp6023808; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:18:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 192.168.0.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:18:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1891.192.168.0.1.1037247521.squirrel@_default_> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:18:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] Interchange To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Has someone worked with interchange before?. I need help with a couple of things. The documentation is not good enough. Regards Diego From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 13 23:01:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA09889 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:01:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA09876 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:01:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00518 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:01:25 -0500 Received: from ipop9 ([202.188.0.174]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAE4020F018919 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:00:03 -0500 Received: from deoxyribonuclei.streamyX.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ipop1.tm.net.my (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5J003X6SIP0F@ipop1.tm.net.my> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:01:43 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:01:41 +0800 From: TheExploited Subject: Re: [SLUG] W2K and RH8.0 dual boot In-reply-to: <000001c28b47$adc912d0$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> X-Sender: chinvi@streamyX.com@pop.tm.net.my To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021114155512.00a68ce8@pop.tm.net.my> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000501c28b3e$b229eb00$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yeap you should have win2k installed first then linux.Winblows writes to ur MBR . If i'm not mistaken RH8.0 installs Lilo as the default boot loader for you.What i did for my box is i boot from my MBR.But i think you should be able to do this from /boot itself but i'm not really sure if it must be the first partition in ur hard drive (eg./dev/hda) or not.But you might wanna write to ur MBR anyways. you can get a detailed explanation and steps on how to configure GRUB here http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/custom-guide/s1-custom-kernel-bootloader.html you should be all set in minutes.Personally i prefer Grub to LILO. Regards, Victor At 02:05 PM 11/13/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Well, I have W2K and RH 8.0 both loaded and the instructions for booting >from the W3K boot loader is not working,, it does not even see Linux. >What do I have to alter to get it dual booting from 'Grub'. I just >don't know the entry to put in to grub to make this happen. And, since >Grub is in the /boot partition and not the MBR do I have to format the >/MBR or can I just make Grub operate from the MBR rather than /boot. >Haven't worked with grub before so this new to me. > > >Michael C. Rock >Systems Analyst >Registered Linux User # 287973 > >"The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," >"Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 00:24:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA10878 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:24:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA10875 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:24:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01438 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:24:14 -0500 Received: from tuxserv.homelinux.net (653230hfc241.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.30.241]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAE5NO0F024247 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:23:24 -0500 Message-Id: <200211140523.gAE5NO0F024247@nks-ma-01.nks.net> Received: (qmail 29996 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2002 02:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO there) (192.168.0.244) by 0 with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 02:07:20 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: mce To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] winMX Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 00:25:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <3DD1207B.3090504@earthlink.net> <000001c28aa8$349ae360$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <000001c28aa8$349ae360$ba422041@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug It runs quite nicely under wine the only problem is the file browser(DO NOT USE THAT FEATURE YOU WILL REGRET IT) -Joe On Tuesday 12 November 2002 06:49 pm, you wrote: > Winmx has been around for about 3 years yes it exist. Yes it has spyware. > Also when using it your ip address is exposed. Also usually once you > install it you will get alot of people trying to get inot your system > through your open ports. > > Is it Linuxable that I could not tell you it was not originally designed > for Linux when it was first out look at the name. > > Also right now the RIAA is now going after them as well. > > Bill Preece > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Swider" > To: "SLUG Suncoast Linux Users Group" > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:38 AM > Subject: [SLUG] winMX > > > Anybody heard of > > http://winmx.com/ > > for peer-to-peer file sharing? Is it legit, linuxable, spy-free, etc.? > > > > -- > > Paul Swider > > Cell 727.776.9979 > > eFax 208.248.1869 > > http://www.swider.net/Paul-Swider-resume.html > > http://www.greenstar.org/pswider.htm From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 07:31:56 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA16435 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:31:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA16432 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:31:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06522 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:31:55 -0500 Received: from ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (mail.kingwoodcable.net [24.206.159.247]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAECVK0F019583 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:31:20 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id 85578350149 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:30:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from micro.hef (h65-222-109-126.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.109.126]) by ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 01839350147 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 06:30:19 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 31949 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2002 11:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iotcorp.com) (192.168.5.5) by 192.168.5.1 with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 11:47:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3DD351BA.8000708@iotcorp.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 02:33:14 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan Organization: Integrated Object Technologies Corp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interchange References: <1891.192.168.0.1.1037247521.squirrel@_default_> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Diego Henao wrote: > Has someone worked with interchange before?. I need help with a couple of > things. The documentation is not good enough. I've been working with it recently. It is a very large/complex system that I don't fully understand yet. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 08:05:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA16843 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:05:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA16835 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:05:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06856 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:05:05 -0500 Received: from bigcan2.rapidsys.com (tincan.rapidsys.com [209.84.253.13] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAED4T0F021653 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:04:29 -0500 Received: by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:04:23 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([216.202.125.224]) by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id WWQN3Q59; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:04:08 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([192.168.0.5]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAEC87S02100 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:09:02 -0500 From: Mike Manchester To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Graphical network monitor Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-6) Date: 14 Nov 2002 08:03:20 -0500 Message-Id: <1037279055.5645.1.camel@cpt> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does anyone know of a graphical network monitor that will show the computers/nodes on a system and the in/out load for each node. I have a machine that is consuming all of the upload bandwidth and I'm trying to find it. Thanks Mike M. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 08:49:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA17378 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:49:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA17375 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:49:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07325 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:49:05 -0500 Received: from mail.penguix.net (mail.penguix.net [63.165.224.3]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAEDmR0F024414 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:48:27 -0500 Received: from [63.165.224.200] (unknown [63.165.224.200]) by mail.penguix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D3312856 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:51:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Graphical network monitor From: Todd Robinson To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1037279055.5645.1.camel@cpt> References: <1037279055.5645.1.camel@cpt> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 14 Nov 2002 08:45:45 -0500 Message-Id: <1037281545.1658.20.camel@alf> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This may not be the easiest way, but I have used it in similar circumstances. Iptraf comes with most Linux distros now. With it you can monitor interface traffic and see byte counts for individual IP addresses and port connections. I run it on my notebook and tap the line between the firewall and the inside switch with a hub. Set the program to run in promiscuous mode and it will track all the traffic on the wire. Let it run for a little bit, then scroll up and down the list to see who is racking up the highest byte count. This at least gives you a quick idea of who is consuming the larger amounts of traffic. There are also filters to include/exclude certain traffic to help clean up the amount of traffic displayed. You can do similar things with tcpdump and ethereal, but they require a bit more knowledge to sort out and deal with the data to get the answer you are looking for. Todd On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 08:03, Mike Manchester wrote: > Does anyone know of a graphical network monitor that will show the > computers/nodes on a system and the in/out load for each node. I have a > machine that is consuming all of the upload bandwidth and I'm trying to > find it. > Thanks > Mike M. > > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 09:18:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA17704 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:18:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA17701 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:18:02 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07622; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:17:55 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA13435; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:17:55 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net, Todd Robinson Subject: Re: [SLUG] Graphical network monitor Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:17:53 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <1037279055.5645.1.camel@cpt> <1037281545.1658.20.camel@alf> In-Reply-To: <1037281545.1658.20.camel@alf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211140917.53855.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id JAA17702 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 14 November 2002 08:45, Todd Robinson wrote: > This may not be the easiest way, but I have used it in similar > circumstances. Iptraf comes with most Linux distros now. With it you > can monitor interface traffic and see byte counts for individual IP > addresses and port connections. I run it on my notebook and tap the > line between the firewall and the inside switch with a hub. Set the > program to run in promiscuous mode and it will track all the traffic on > the wire. Let it run for a little bit, then scroll up and down the list > to see who is racking up the highest byte count. This at least gives > you a quick idea of who is consuming the larger amounts of traffic. > There are also filters to include/exclude certain traffic to help clean > up the amount of traffic displayed. > > You can do similar things with tcpdump and ethereal, but they require a > bit more knowledge to sort out and deal with the data to get the answer > you are looking for. Yeah, iptraf is neat. If you can still find "statnet", that was another one of my favorites for a while way back when. If you want a thorough breakdown of usage, streams, hosts, and other info, check out the dual command-line and web-based "ntop": http://www.ntop.org/ If you want a quick GUI representation of the nodes on your network and their associated traffic, try Etherboy for Windows or EtherApe for Linux: http://etherape.sourceforge.net/ http://www.ndgsoftware.com/ It's related to an ancient Unix tool that used DPS (display postscript) to draw the same circular map of network traffic on early SunView and XView displays. There are dozens of other network tools that show this same information in different ways. Anyone have a list of bookmarks to some of the better ones? -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 09:28:56 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA17943 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:28:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA17936 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:28:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07786 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:28:55 -0500 Received: from gandalf.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-21.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.21] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAEER80F026871 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:27:08 -0500 Received: from rufus.mptotalcare.com (rufus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.21]) by gandalf.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA09465 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:26:28 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by rufus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA08563 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:26:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rufus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] Graphical network monitor From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <1037279055.5645.1.camel@cpt> References: <1037279055.5645.1.camel@cpt> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-cBcYzVVwdvTK315NmDLR" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 14 Nov 2002 09:26:28 -0500 Message-Id: <1037283988.28955.34.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-cBcYzVVwdvTK315NmDLR Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 08:03, Mike Manchester wrote: > Does anyone know of a graphical network monitor that will show the > computers/nodes on a system and the in/out load for each node. I have a > machine that is consuming all of the upload bandwidth and I'm trying to > find it.=20 I run ethereal on a Linux box connected to dump ports on my core switches. I highly recommend it.=20 Great packet sniffer and general traffic analyzer --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 "An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly." --=-cBcYzVVwdvTK315NmDLR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA907KTIomZUAi8ewYRAsVPAJwOPx7Y/p8GQDkE8Xvn+UsEaCamAACfWWB+ U5vtBf6HSut8Kdc0eNb4A2Y= =g/PR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-cBcYzVVwdvTK315NmDLR-- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 09:55:37 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA18512 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:55:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA18509 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:55:37 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08200; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:55:06 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA15362; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:55:06 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net, Matt Miller Subject: Re: [SLUG] Graphical network monitor Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:55:05 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <1037279055.5645.1.camel@cpt> <1037283988.28955.34.camel@menix> In-Reply-To: <1037283988.28955.34.camel@menix> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211140955.05024.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id JAA18510 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 14 November 2002 09:26, Matt Miller wrote: > On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 08:03, Mike Manchester wrote: > > Does anyone know of a graphical network monitor that will show the > > computers/nodes on a system and the in/out load for each node. I have a > > machine that is consuming all of the upload bandwidth and I'm trying to > > find it. > > I run ethereal on a Linux box connected to dump ports on my core > switches. I highly recommend it. > Great packet sniffer and general traffic analyzer Text-ethereal ("tethereal") makes a perfect replacement for tcpdump as well. It uses the same command line syntax and packet matching expressions as well as providing a thorough packet decode with the -V option (something tcpdump sorely lacks). Ethereal has long been my favorite wireless/ATM/... sniffing tool due to its expansive protocol decode - but the GUI is generally intrusive. However, I've found a complete replacement of tcpdump with tethereal. -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 10:19:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA19011 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:19:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA18997 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:19:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08553 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:19:05 -0500 Received: from web11404.mail.yahoo.com (web11404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.234]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAEFGZ0F030361 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:16:36 -0500 Message-ID: <20021114151630.5932.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.33.49.251] by web11404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:16:30 PST Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:16:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: [SLUG] Debian Install and a word of thanks.. To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211140955.05024.icblenke@nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ian.. First I wanted to say thank you for the help last night getting through some of the configuration things.. After I got home, I started playing with the XF86Config file, and found that after grabbing the file I found on the net for my card.. and doing some creative editing.. I found that the only error it gave was that it could not find the Fonts.. I quickly was informed by one of the folks on the debian list that I had not installed the "fonts-base" package.. so when I get a moment or two.. I will do that and see what else I happen to be missing.. :) I am sure I will have a few more questions before this is all said and done.. ! Mark __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 10:34:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA19371 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:34:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA19339 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:34:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08808 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:34:46 -0500 Received: from usushntex50.unistudios.com (outmail.unistudios.com [192.251.67.110]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAEFUT0F031360 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:30:29 -0500 Received: from usintex10lax.unistudios.com (usintex10lax.udh.unistudios.com [167.167.130.69]) by usushntex50.unistudios.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id VT431X0V; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:32:16 -0800 Received: by usintex10lax.udh.unistudios.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:30:23 -0800 Message-ID: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A6B@usush2kex03> From: "Quesada, Oscar" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] Graphical network monitor Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:30:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Do you have an OS/390 with NPM/IP? or maybe the RedHat Network Workstation monitor Oscar R. Quesada UMG-IT Systems/Network Support Vivendi Universal 818-777-5701 -----Original Message----- From: Matt Miller [mailto:mmiller1@mptotalcare.com] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 6:26 AM To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Graphical network monitor On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 08:03, Mike Manchester wrote: > Does anyone know of a graphical network monitor that will show the > computers/nodes on a system and the in/out load for each node. I have a > machine that is consuming all of the upload bandwidth and I'm trying to > find it. I run ethereal on a Linux box connected to dump ports on my core switches. I highly recommend it. Great packet sniffer and general traffic analyzer -- Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id: 08BC7B06 "An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly." From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 11:20:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA20208 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:20:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA20205 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:20:00 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09549 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:20:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (two.nks.net [192.168.1.22]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA19637 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:20:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Graphical network monitor From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211140917.53855.icblenke@nks.net> References: <1037279055.5645.1.camel@cpt> <1037281545.1658.20.camel@alf> <200211140917.53855.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 14 Nov 2002 11:19:59 -0500 Message-Id: <1037290800.20292.2.camel@two.nks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 09:17, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > > If you want a thorough breakdown of usage, streams, hosts, and other info, > check out the dual command-line and web-based "ntop": > > http://www.ntop.org/ beware of this one though! there have been numerous security holes in ntop, many of them blatant and enourmous, and due to its functioning, ntop MUST run as root! the author has neglected maintenance on the tool for months at a time, during several of which periods, it contained security exploits that would allow anyone to remotely access the box running it as root. it's one of those things that's a really neat tool, but should be considered dangerous to use. only keep it around and use it while you actually need it, then make sure it's out of the way and ABSOLUTELY never run it on a public node unless you are very very careful. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 11:24:17 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA20324 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:24:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA20305 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:24:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09614 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:24:15 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAEGMb0F002612 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:22:38 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA02983 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:21:42 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c28bf9$05ed98d0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meeting St. Pete Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:15:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Well it is on for those who would like to have a St. Pete meeting. ST. PETE******************************************** 25 November 19:00-21:00 St. Pete (last monday of every month) Saint Petersburg Library ( Main Branch) 3745 Ninth Avenue North St. Petersburg, FL 33713 (727) 893-7724 **************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 11:54:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA20962 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:54:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA20955 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:54:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10119 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:54:25 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAEGqv0F004793 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:52:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 22691 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2002 16:52:52 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 16:52:52 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:52:50 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] login is lost Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:46:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c28bfd$718084f0$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <1037281545.1658.20.camel@alf> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ok, pay close attention now this is going to be fun. I get a login prompt at the console of my RH 7.2 installation. I get no login prompt if I connect to the box in any other way( via ssh, putty, or http). I can ftp from the box to anywhere else, but I cannot ftp into the box. I get connection refused. I have modems connected to a digiboard running off the serial port and they will get the terminal light on if I do "init q'. that lasts for about a minute and an half and then the TR light drops out. If I use hyperlink and try to connect via modem while the modem tr light is lit, I get connected but with not login prompt,, just a blank screen,, and no functionality of course. Any ideas about what is going on? I have turned off the firewall through the setup program and still I am effectively locked out. And as an aside, samba connections work just fine. But then they do not ask for a login. Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 12:31:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA21763 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:31:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA21760 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:31:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10733 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:31:55 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAEHUl0F007494 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:30:47 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAEIahDH004855 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:36:43 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAEIahb9004853; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:36:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 199.222.4.138 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:36:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <56836.199.222.4.138.1037299003.squirrel@_default_> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:36:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interchange To: In-Reply-To: <3DD351BA.8000708@iotcorp.com> References: <1891.192.168.0.1.1037247521.squirrel@_default_> <3DD351BA.8000708@iotcorp.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yes, you are right. I am going to start with the documentation. If you want to check out; the website is http://www.icdevgroup.org/i/dev/dev-4.8/index.html. Do you have any problems using the website?. I have a couple. The buttons in the costumer admin menu doesn't work, and also when I tried to checkout something to be bought, the link is not working either. Thanks Diego P.D I think the cause are the perl modules. Some people say you need ones, other say that another ones. I am confused ahhahaha. Diego Henao wrote: >> Has someone worked with interchange before?. I need help with a couple >> of things. The documentation is not good enough. > > I've been working with it recently. It is a very large/complex system > that I don't fully understand yet. > > --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 12:47:36 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA22064 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:47:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA22052 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:47:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10936 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:47:35 -0500 Received: from bigcan2.rapidsys.com (tincan.rapidsys.com [209.84.253.13] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAEHif0F008439 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:44:41 -0500 Received: by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:44:30 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([216.202.125.224]) by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id WWQN3V3R; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:44:25 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([192.168.0.5]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAEGnpS02700 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:49:52 -0500 From: Mike Manchester To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Graphical network monitor In-Reply-To: <1037279055.5645.1.camel@cpt> References: <1037279055.5645.1.camel@cpt> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-6) Date: 14 Nov 2002 12:45:06 -0500 Message-Id: <1037295907.9008.0.camel@cpt> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks to all for your input. This gives me a number of tools to try. Thanks again this is a great group of Linux users. Mike M. On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 08:03, Mike Manchester wrote: > Does anyone know of a graphical network monitor that will show the > computers/nodes on a system and the in/out load for each node. I have a > machine that is consuming all of the upload bandwidth and I'm trying to > find it. > Thanks > Mike M. > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 12:52:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA22138 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:52:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA22130 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:52:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11032 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:52:45 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.92]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAEHq10F008964 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:52:02 -0500 Received: (qmail 15055 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2002 17:51:35 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 17:51:35 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:51:24 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] W2K and RH 8.0 and NTFS Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:45:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c28c05$9f602a80$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <000301c28a60$fdcf9b10$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have both W2K and RH 8.0 running. W2K boots from the MBR and Linux boots from my boot disk. How in the world do I get it all booting from Grub and eliminate the W2K booting from the MBR?? How do I remove the MBR record and will that let Linux just boot from Grub? Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 13:26:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA22863 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:26:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA22860 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:26:20 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11541; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:26:19 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA26049; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:26:19 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net, "Mikes work account" Subject: Re: [SLUG] W2K and RH 8.0 and NTFS Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:26:18 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <000701c28c05$9f602a80$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> In-Reply-To: <000701c28c05$9f602a80$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211141326.18800.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id NAA22861 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 14 November 2002 12:45, Mikes work account wrote: > I have both W2K and RH 8.0 running. W2K boots from the MBR and Linux > boots from my boot disk. How in the world do I get it all booting from > Grub and eliminate the W2K booting from the MBR?? > > How do I remove the MBR record and will that let Linux just boot from > Grub? You install grub: either: $ grub-install /dev/hda or, assuming you have a /boot partition on /dev/hda1: $ grub grub> root (hd0,0) grub> setup(hd0) The MBR (Master Boot Record) is the first 512 bytes (first block) of the drive. Once you install grub, the MBR (/dev/hda, aka "hd0") will be written. With DOS, you can use "fdisk /mbr" to restore the boot sector. With NT/Win2k/XP, it's easiest to make a backup of the bootsector to a floppy. Alternatively, you can make a C:\bootsect.dos that holds the 512 bytes of the drive after grub was installed (restoring your NT bootsector in the processes), then merely add the appropriate entry to boot.ini to continue using the ntldr boot menu to boot to either win2k or Linux. I'm a native grub fan myself. -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 13:41:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA23050 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:41:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA23047 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:41:14 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11767 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:41:14 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA26885 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:41:14 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] login is lost Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:41:14 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <000201c28bfd$718084f0$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> In-Reply-To: <000201c28bfd$718084f0$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211141341.14057.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id NAA23048 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 14 November 2002 11:46, you wrote: > Ok, pay close attention now this is going to be fun. > > I get a login prompt at the console of my RH 7.2 installation. I get no > login prompt if I connect to the box in any other way( via ssh, putty, > or http). I can ftp from the box to anywhere else, but I cannot ftp > into the box. I get connection refused. If you're getting an ftp connection refused, you're not running an FTP server in inetd.conf/xinetd.conf or running an FTP daemon standalone. As for not getting a login prompt, it may be a DNS resolution problem. If you wait 5 minutes, does a login eventually appear? Can you run "ssh -v" and paste the connection log here? > I have modems connected to a digiboard running off the serial port and > they will get the terminal light on if I do "init q'. that lasts for > about a minute and an half and then the TR light drops out. TR is DTR (Data Terminal Ready). It's the RS-232 line that is held by the DTE (Data Terminal Equipment), your PC, when it wishes to be present. A DCE (Data Communications Equipment) device asserts DSR (Data Set Ready) when it starts up in response to tell the PC that it is present. If DTR isn't there, the modem simply will not talk to the port. The same is true from the PC side to the modem if DSR is missing. This is at a more basic level than RTS/CTS hardware flow control. Even 3 wire null modem cables use a loop at both ends to trick the DCE/DTE device that the other end is ready. When the TR light drops out, your PC is typically rebooting. > If I use hyperlink and try to connect via modem while the modem tr light > is lit, I get connected but with not login prompt,, just a blank > screen,, and no functionality of course. You need a getty running on that line. Have you tried debugging with a minicom session on the server with that port opened? If you can type on one side and see it on the other (full duplex, no local echo), then the serial port settings are fine and the modem is connected properly. If you know you have a good connection, you need to enable a getty on that /dev/ttyS0 (or whatever your serial device name is). To do this, you must edit your /etc/inittab and add a getty for that port. > Any ideas about what is going on? I have turned off the firewall > through the setup program and still I am effectively locked out. Serial is different than network. If you cannot ssh or otherwise connect to the box, my bet is that DNS is a problem - try waiting for 5 minutes and see if you don't *eventually* get a login. > And as an aside, samba connections work just fine. But then they do not > ask for a login. Samba connections work, and you can login locally, which suggests that PAM is probably fine. My bet is DNS and a lack of a getty on the port. We need a bit more info/troubleshooting to get a good feel for the problem. -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 13:48:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA23145 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:48:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA23142 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:48:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11897 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:48:35 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-20.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.20] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAEIm60F012783 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:48:06 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.20]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA06551 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:46:53 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA23975 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:46:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: RE: [SLUG] W2K and RH 8.0 and NTFS From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <000701c28c05$9f602a80$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> References: <000701c28c05$9f602a80$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-pC46ZKygoqL/Hp5GT9CZ" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 14 Nov 2002 13:46:53 -0500 Message-Id: <1037299613.28955.54.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-pC46ZKygoqL/Hp5GT9CZ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 12:45, Mikes work account wrote: > I have both W2K and RH 8.0 running. W2K boots from the MBR and Linux > boots from my boot disk. How in the world do I get it all booting from > Grub and eliminate the W2K booting from the MBR?? >=20 > How do I remove the MBR record and will that let Linux just boot from > Grub? IIRC, "grub-install /dev/hda" should install grub into your MBR. I would verify with the man pages first. Make sure your GRUB config is setup correctly to recognize the respective partitions/drives your OS' are installed on. --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 "An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly." --=-pC46ZKygoqL/Hp5GT9CZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA90++dIomZUAi8ewYRAoMeAKDB0HBeXaqK7D5gsYkiA5xMW/uA1wCffZzr uczaHok03iFNIwEX0s2Tb70= =p1eo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-pC46ZKygoqL/Hp5GT9CZ-- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 14:58:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA23843 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:58:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA23840 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:58:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12764 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:58:56 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.92]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAEJwP0F017317 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:58:25 -0500 Received: (qmail 452 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2002 19:58:16 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 19:58:16 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:58:09 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] login is lost Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:52:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c28c17$4e299680$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <200211141341.14057.icblenke@nks.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ian, I have two RH servers and I am checking each against the other for differences. I added tftp-server to the box that will not accept ftp to see if that would help and it did not. I have each respected hosts file populated. I have checked the xinetd.d dir and each is the same with the exception of the tftp-server entry. That did not show up when I rpm'd in tftp-server,,,.rpm. Neither ftp, tftp or gftp works, they just get refused. Neither box has any ftp daemon running but the first server accepts and sends ftp requests without error. As far as the modem connect is concerned,, I have a getty on that line and when I do a init q,,, the tr light gets lit which tells me that the modem is getting a signal from the cpu telling it that it is ready to accept a login. I can connect using hyperlink but I fail to secure a login prompt which of course dooms my login process entirely. After about 130 seconds the tr light drops off but the connection stays up ( so sayeth netterm ). Whatever sends the login script is what is dying for remote connections, either via modem or ssh. It seems that what is missing is the login script and I do not remember what generates that piece of code. As far as DNS is concerned, I have the same problems when I use the ip addresses and that should bypass DNS if I am correct. Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Ian C. Blenke Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:41 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] login is lost On Thursday 14 November 2002 11:46, you wrote: > Ok, pay close attention now this is going to be fun. > > I get a login prompt at the console of my RH 7.2 installation. I get no > login prompt if I connect to the box in any other way( via ssh, putty, > or http). I can ftp from the box to anywhere else, but I cannot ftp > into the box. I get connection refused. If you're getting an ftp connection refused, you're not running an FTP server in inetd.conf/xinetd.conf or running an FTP daemon standalone. As for not getting a login prompt, it may be a DNS resolution problem. If you wait 5 minutes, does a login eventually appear? Can you run "ssh -v" and paste the connection log here? > I have modems connected to a digiboard running off the serial port and > they will get the terminal light on if I do "init q'. that lasts for > about a minute and an half and then the TR light drops out. TR is DTR (Data Terminal Ready). It's the RS-232 line that is held by the DTE (Data Terminal Equipment), your PC, when it wishes to be present. A DCE (Data Communications Equipment) device asserts DSR (Data Set Ready) when it starts up in response to tell the PC that it is present. If DTR isn't there, the modem simply will not talk to the port. The same is true from the PC side to the modem if DSR is missing. This is at a more basic level than RTS/CTS hardware flow control. Even 3 wire null modem cables use a loop at both ends to trick the DCE/DTE device that the other end is ready. When the TR light drops out, your PC is typically rebooting. > If I use hyperlink and try to connect via modem while the modem tr light > is lit, I get connected but with not login prompt,, just a blank > screen,, and no functionality of course. You need a getty running on that line. Have you tried debugging with a minicom session on the server with that port opened? If you can type on one side and see it on the other (full duplex, no local echo), then the serial port settings are fine and the modem is connected properly. If you know you have a good connection, you need to enable a getty on that /dev/ttyS0 (or whatever your serial device name is). To do this, you must edit your /etc/inittab and add a getty for that port. > Any ideas about what is going on? I have turned off the firewall > through the setup program and still I am effectively locked out. Serial is different than network. If you cannot ssh or otherwise connect to the box, my bet is that DNS is a problem - try waiting for 5 minutes and see if you don't *eventually* get a login. > And as an aside, samba connections work just fine. But then they do not > ask for a login. Samba connections work, and you can login locally, which suggests that PAM is probably fine. My bet is DNS and a lack of a getty on the port. We need a bit more info/troubleshooting to get a good feel for the problem. -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 15:01:48 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA23901 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:01:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA23887 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:01:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12811 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:01:47 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.92]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAEK0P0F017456 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:00:26 -0500 Received: (qmail 1360 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2002 20:00:20 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 20:00:20 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:00:18 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] W2K and RH 8.0 and NTFS Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:54:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c28c17$a1a7cb60$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <1037299613.28955.54.camel@menix> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have Grub in my boot partition now, If is do a Grub-install /dev/hda and it writes to the MBR will that conflict with the one in the /boot partition?? Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Matt Miller Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:47 PM To: SLUG List Subject: RE: [SLUG] W2K and RH 8.0 and NTFS On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 12:45, Mikes work account wrote: > I have both W2K and RH 8.0 running. W2K boots from the MBR and Linux > boots from my boot disk. How in the world do I get it all booting from > Grub and eliminate the W2K booting from the MBR?? > > How do I remove the MBR record and will that let Linux just boot from > Grub? IIRC, "grub-install /dev/hda" should install grub into your MBR. I would verify with the man pages first. Make sure your GRUB config is setup correctly to recognize the respective partitions/drives your OS' are installed on. -- Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id: 08BC7B06 "An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly." From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 15:23:47 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA24192 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:23:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA24189 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:23:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13105 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:23:46 -0500 Received: from pop016.verizon.net (pop016pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.173]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAEKN50F018923 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:23:06 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.98.113]) by pop016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021114202158.IJK1630.pop016.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:21:58 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Firewall/router question Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:25:26 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211141525.26132.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop016.verizon.net from [4.47.98.113] at Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:21:57 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I am setting up my old linux box as a firewall/ router with an ethernet connection to the new box and isp. Is there a particular address I would use to designate the new box? Smitty From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 15:31:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA24284 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:31:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA24281 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:31:41 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13191; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:31:38 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA30889; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:31:38 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net, "Mikes work account" Subject: Re: [SLUG] W2K and RH 8.0 and NTFS Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:31:37 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <000f01c28c17$a1a7cb60$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> In-Reply-To: <000f01c28c17$a1a7cb60$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211141531.37561.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id PAA24282 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 14 November 2002 14:54, Mikes work account wrote: > I have Grub in my boot partition now, If is do a Grub-install /dev/hda > and it writes to the MBR will that conflict with the one in the /boot > partition?? The /boot partition holds your 1st stage and 2nd stage bootstraps. The MBR merely loads the 1st stage bootstrap and runs it, which in turn loads the 2nd stage bootstrap, which in turn presents you with a menu and lets you select your kernel to load (or other partition to boot to). "grub-install /dev/hda" WILL OVERWRITE YOUR MBR. When you install LILO, it makes a copy of your origional MBR in a file in /boot with the name "boot" plus the major and minor numbers. This "boot.0300" file is merely a backup of the origional MBR. When you install GRUB, it does NOT make a copy of your origional MBR in a file in /boot. To make a backup like LILO, you must do: # dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.0300 bs=512 count=1 If you want to restore the origional MBR and remove GRUB, merely do it in reverse: # dd if=/boot/boot.0300 of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 You don't need to call it "boot.0300", that's just a LILO naming convention that someone devised. Alternatively, what I meant by using bootsect.dos in boot.ini with ntldr was this: # dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.before-grub bs=512 count=1 # grub-install /dev/hda # dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.after-grub bs=512 count=1 # dd if=/boot/boot.before-grub of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 # cp /boot/boot.after-grub /mnt/windows/bootsect.lnx # echo 'c:\bootsect.lnx="Boot to Linux"' >> /mnt/windows/boot.ini Then you're using your ntldr to boot to grub. - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) > Michael C. Rock > Systems Analyst > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Matt > Miller > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:47 PM > To: SLUG List > Subject: RE: [SLUG] W2K and RH 8.0 and NTFS > > On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 12:45, Mikes work account wrote: > > I have both W2K and RH 8.0 running. W2K boots from the MBR and Linux > > boots from my boot disk. How in the world do I get it all booting > > from > > > Grub and eliminate the W2K booting from the MBR?? > > > > How do I remove the MBR record and will that let Linux just boot from > > Grub? > > IIRC, "grub-install /dev/hda" should install grub into your MBR. I would > verify with the man pages first. Make sure your GRUB config is setup > correctly to recognize the respective partitions/drives your OS' are > installed on. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 15:43:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA24383 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:43:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA24375 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:43:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13301 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:43:06 -0500 Received: from suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (132.238.95.24.cfl.rr.com [24.95.238.132]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAEKg50F020076 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:42:05 -0500 Received: from patrick (159.066.vbnet.net [205.140.159.66] (may be forged)) by suselinux2.cssi-fl.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id gAEKa7x19569 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:36:07 -0500 Message-ID: <004d01c28c1e$32b05680$4401a8c0@patrick> From: "Patrick Grantham \(at work\)" To: References: <200211141525.26132.a.smitty@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firewall/router question Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:41:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The WAN IP will be assigned by the ISP. I think most people use the convention of assigning LAN ip to be 192.168.1.1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smitty" To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: [SLUG] Firewall/router question > I am setting up my old linux box as a firewall/ router with an ethernet > connection to the new box and isp. Is there a particular address I would use > to designate the new box? > Smitty > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 15:47:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA24436 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:47:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA24428 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:47:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13349 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:47:06 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAEKjl0F020334 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:45:47 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA03222 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:44:52 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c28c1d$c8998640$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: <200211141525.26132.a.smitty@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firewall/router question Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:38:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Depending on what class you want to use, here are the assigned IP for private use that are not routable on the net 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smitty" To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: [SLUG] Firewall/router question > I am setting up my old linux box as a firewall/ router with an ethernet > connection to the new box and isp. Is there a particular address I would use > to designate the new box? > Smitty > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 16:02:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA24600 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:02:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA24597 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:02:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13552 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:02:06 -0500 Received: from gandalf.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-21.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.21] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAEL160F021343 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:01:06 -0500 Received: from rufus.mptotalcare.com (rufus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.21]) by gandalf.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA12788 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:00:10 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by rufus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA09048 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:00:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rufus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firewall/router question From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <200211141525.26132.a.smitty@verizon.net> References: <200211141525.26132.a.smitty@verizon.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-KjamEHcoG8NA+KWzu+/A" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 14 Nov 2002 16:00:10 -0500 Message-Id: <1037307610.28955.63.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-KjamEHcoG8NA+KWzu+/A Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 15:25, Smitty wrote: > I am setting up my old linux box as a firewall/ router with an ethernet=20 > connection to the new box and isp. Is there a particular address I would= use=20 > to designate the new box?=20 The external IP will be supplied by the ISP. Check out section 3 for reserved private address spaces for the internal interface: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1918.html =20 --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 "An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly." --=-KjamEHcoG8NA+KWzu+/A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA91A7aIomZUAi8ewYRAsCfAJ4y7Ftp+blq8SSJhaERpKob5ZieygCgs9Bc pJhZXZSiGXXeTzP30+nypqU= =zR0O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-KjamEHcoG8NA+KWzu+/A-- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 16:18:37 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA24752 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:18:37 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA24749 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:18:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13765 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:18:36 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAELHm0F022446 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:17:48 -0500 Received: (qmail 21756 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2002 21:17:41 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 21:17:41 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:17:37 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] W2K and RH 8.0 and NTFS Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:11:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c28c22$6769d140$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200211141531.37561.icblenke@nks.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ian, I thank you for you patience. I have an aversion to making mistakes and having to redo anything when the answers are there for the asking. Not having worked with grub before just makes this more interesting. I will read some more tonight at home since my day has come to an end. I will sleep on what you have said and try to put it all in a procedure that I can follow and understand. Thank you and everyone who has helped. Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Ian C. Blenke Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:32 PM To: slug@nks.net; Mikes work account Subject: Re: [SLUG] W2K and RH 8.0 and NTFS On Thursday 14 November 2002 14:54, Mikes work account wrote: > I have Grub in my boot partition now, If is do a Grub-install /dev/hda > and it writes to the MBR will that conflict with the one in the /boot > partition?? The /boot partition holds your 1st stage and 2nd stage bootstraps. The MBR merely loads the 1st stage bootstrap and runs it, which in turn loads the 2nd stage bootstrap, which in turn presents you with a menu and lets you select your kernel to load (or other partition to boot to). "grub-install /dev/hda" WILL OVERWRITE YOUR MBR. When you install LILO, it makes a copy of your origional MBR in a file in /boot with the name "boot" plus the major and minor numbers. This "boot.0300" file is merely a backup of the origional MBR. When you install GRUB, it does NOT make a copy of your origional MBR in a file in /boot. To make a backup like LILO, you must do: # dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.0300 bs=512 count=1 If you want to restore the origional MBR and remove GRUB, merely do it in reverse: # dd if=/boot/boot.0300 of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 You don't need to call it "boot.0300", that's just a LILO naming convention that someone devised. Alternatively, what I meant by using bootsect.dos in boot.ini with ntldr was this: # dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.before-grub bs=512 count=1 # grub-install /dev/hda # dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.after-grub bs=512 count=1 # dd if=/boot/boot.before-grub of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 # cp /boot/boot.after-grub /mnt/windows/bootsect.lnx # echo 'c:\bootsect.lnx="Boot to Linux"' >> /mnt/windows/boot.ini Then you're using your ntldr to boot to grub. - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) > Michael C. Rock > Systems Analyst > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Matt > Miller > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:47 PM > To: SLUG List > Subject: RE: [SLUG] W2K and RH 8.0 and NTFS > > On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 12:45, Mikes work account wrote: > > I have both W2K and RH 8.0 running. W2K boots from the MBR and Linux > > boots from my boot disk. How in the world do I get it all booting > > from > > > Grub and eliminate the W2K booting from the MBR?? > > > > How do I remove the MBR record and will that let Linux just boot from > > Grub? > > IIRC, "grub-install /dev/hda" should install grub into your MBR. I would > verify with the man pages first. Make sure your GRUB config is setup > correctly to recognize the respective partitions/drives your OS' are > installed on. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 14 16:23:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA24805 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:23:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA24802 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:23:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13831 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:23:56 -0500 Received: from dt2.gschmidt.net (6535161hfc60.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.161.60]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAELNQ0F022822 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:23:26 -0500 Received: by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9C1282AE75; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8921D7CCB for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:17:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:17:46 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Schmidt To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firewall/router question In-Reply-To: <200211141525.26132.a.smitty@verizon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Smitty wrote: > I am setting up my old linux box as a firewall/ router with an ethernet > connection to the new box and isp. Is there a particular address I would use > to designate the new box? > Smitty > RFC 1918 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1918.txt In chapter 3 says: The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) has reserved the following three blocks of the IP address space for private internets: 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 (10/8 prefix) 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 (172.16/12 prefix) 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 (192.168/16 prefix) I've usually seen that large corporate networks use the 10.x.y.z address space which, when subnetted into smaller networks, gives them sufficient flexibility. Most home LANS (including mine) use 192.168.y.z, typically with a 255.255.255.0 (24 bit) subnet mask. I don't think I'll ever have more than 254 hosts on a subnet. I don't think I'll ever have more than 254 subnets either. Currently I have 2 subnets, 192.168.100.0/24 and 192.168.200.0/24. Occassionally, I bring up a 192.168.150.0/24 or others to play with new toys. Also, many people use the .1 address for the gateway. So the LAN-facing interface on your firewall could be: Address: 192.168.100.1 Mask: 255.255.255.0 Broadcast: 192.168.100.255 Network: 192.168.100.0 The WAN-facing interface on your firewall would presumably be assigned by your ISP's DHCP server. The interface on your workstation that faces your new firewall could be: Address: 192.168.100.50 Mask: 255.255.255.0 Broadcast 192.168.100.255 Network: 192.168.100.0 Gateway: 192.168.100.1 If I'm running a DHCP server for that subnet I usually hold the bottom of the address range back for static address devices and let DHCP hand out the upper addresses. Something like 192.168.100.1 through 50 for static and 192.168.100.51 through 192.168.100.250 for DHCP. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 15 11:05:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA01471 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:05:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA01468 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:05:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25649 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:05:02 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAFG3mkY004181 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:04:03 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAFHA3OP004032 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:10:03 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAFHA0wW004024; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:10:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 199.222.4.62 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:10:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:10:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] Mirror To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hello, I have a question about mirrors. I have two cobalt. They are exactly the same machines. My actual setup is based just in dns functions. In other words, one is the primary dns server and the other is the secondary dns server. What do you recommend to me to implement if I want, in case the primary goes down, the secondary to be the primary? My understanding about this is that you just need to copy user's files ( system configuration), hosting directories, and dns entries. I don't know how to do that. My major concerning is that I need to update the dns entries because when the server 1 goes down the domain is going to be the same, but maybe the ips will change. Any suggestion Thanks Diego From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 15 11:41:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA01795 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:41:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA01787 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:41:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26087 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:41:02 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-20.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.20] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAFGe6kY006528 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:40:07 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.20]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA13306 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:39:07 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25467 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:39:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mirror From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-2fw6+lENSOWYWvdXIxI7" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 15 Nov 2002 11:39:07 -0500 Message-Id: <1037378347.28954.106.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-2fw6+lENSOWYWvdXIxI7 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 12:10, Diego Henao wrote: > Hello, I have a question about mirrors. I have two cobalt. They are > exactly the same machines. My actual setup is based just in dns functions= . > In other words, one is the primary dns server and the other is the > secondary dns server. What do you recommend to me to implement if I want, > in case the primary goes down, the secondary to be the primary? >=20 > My understanding about this is that you just need to copy user's files ( > system configuration), hosting directories, and dns entries. I don't know > how to do that. My major concerning is that I need to update the dns > entries because when the server 1 goes down the domain is going to be the > same, but maybe the ips will change. >=20 Install BIND on both machines. =20 Setup up primary zone files on the primary DNS server. Add these "master" zone entries to the named.conf. Edit named.conf on the secondary DNS server and add "slave" entries for the master zones from the primary DNS server to the named.conf. The secondary server will "pull" the master zone information from the primary server.=20 Make sure statically assigned servers/workstations/switches/etc. and DHCP clients have two servers -- a primary and secondary DNS server -- to choose from. The key to getting this working is to make sure ALL DNS clients have both servers listed with their respective IP's. When one DNS server fails to respond, the client knows to check the other DNS server. Check out the following links for more detailed info: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/DNS-H= OWTO.html http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/DNS-H= OWTO.html#ss5.6 --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 "An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly." --=-2fw6+lENSOWYWvdXIxI7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA91SMrIomZUAi8ewYRAouKAKCGi+uJlqEp+h8gDEYkJBhVoaL9BACfZBvc oFICleSStzzaG5k/ePMqLxw= =ZVH4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-2fw6+lENSOWYWvdXIxI7-- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 15 11:56:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA01961 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:56:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA01950 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:56:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26267 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:56:12 -0500 From: corey@serviceweb.net Received: from cosmos.serviceweb.net (cosmos.serviceweb.net [209.94.121.24]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAFGt4kY007463 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:55:05 -0500 Received: (qmail 10165 invoked by uid 99); 15 Nov 2002 16:54:57 -0000 Received: from 129.42.208.182 ( [129.42.208.182]) as user corey@serviceweb.net@serviceweb.net by mail.serviceweb.net with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:54:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1037379297.3dd526e135b73@mail.serviceweb.net> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:54:57 -0500 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mirror References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> In-Reply-To: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 129.42.208.182 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi Diego, The best thing to do is check out the rsync and rsyncd functions available. Very fast for mirroring and you can keep systems up to date. HTH, Corey Quoting Diego Henao : > Hello, I have a question about mirrors. I have two cobalt. They are > exactly the same machines. My actual setup is based just in dns functions. > In other words, one is the primary dns server and the other is the > secondary dns server. What do you recommend to me to implement if I want, > in case the primary goes down, the secondary to be the primary? > > My understanding about this is that you just need to copy user's files ( > system configuration), hosting directories, and dns entries. I don't know > how to do that. My major concerning is that I need to update the dns > entries because when the server 1 goes down the domain is going to be the > same, but maybe the ips will change. > > Any suggestion > > Thanks Diego > > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 15 12:37:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA02314 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:37:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA02311 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:37:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26740 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:37:52 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAFHaekY010154 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:36:41 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAFIgvOP004339 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:42:58 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAFIgvkb004337; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:42:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 199.222.4.62 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:42:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38173.199.222.4.62.1037385776.squirrel@_default_> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:42:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mirror To: In-Reply-To: <1037379297.3dd526e135b73@mail.serviceweb.net> References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> <1037379297.3dd526e135b73@mail.serviceweb.net> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks for answering my question so fast. About his email, Is this program secure?. The problem is that I have both services in different locations, as a matter of fact, they will be in different ISPS. Therefore, I will have to do this accessing internet. I need to be cautious about his Thanks a lot Diego > Hi Diego, > > The best thing to do is check out the rsync and rsyncd functions > available. Very fast for mirroring and you can keep systems up to date. > > HTH, > Corey > > > Quoting Diego Henao : > >> Hello, I have a question about mirrors. I have two cobalt. They are >> exactly the same machines. My actual setup is based just in dns >> functions. In other words, one is the primary dns server and the other >> is the secondary dns server. What do you recommend to me to implement >> if I want, in case the primary goes down, the secondary to be the >> primary? >> >> My understanding about this is that you just need to copy user's files >> ( system configuration), hosting directories, and dns entries. I don't >> know how to do that. My major concerning is that I need to update the >> dns entries because when the server 1 goes down the domain is going to >> be the same, but maybe the ips will change. >> >> Any suggestion >> >> Thanks Diego >> >> >> From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 15 12:52:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA02449 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:52:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA02446 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:52:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26895 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:52:42 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAFHppkY011107 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:51:51 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAFIw8OP004397 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:58:08 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAFIw8iv004395; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:58:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 199.222.4.62 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:58:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <65025.199.222.4.62.1037386688.squirrel@_default_> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:58:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mirror To: In-Reply-To: <1037378347.28954.106.camel@menix> References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> <1037378347.28954.106.camel@menix> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Matt, First of all, thanks for answering my question. I think your answer is pretty much complete. I have another question about this. Will these set up allow the secondary server to have an updated list of the web-hosted sites that I have in my primary?. In other words, I have different clients with different websites. I think my server is giving the information to people outside about where all these websites are. In case my primary server goes down, noone can access my client's web-sites because there is not record of them. Thanks Diego > On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 12:10, Diego Henao wrote: >> Hello, I have a question about mirrors. I have two cobalt. They are >> exactly the same machines. My actual setup is based just in dns >> functions. In other words, one is the primary dns server and the other >> is the secondary dns server. What do you recommend to me to implement >> if I want, in case the primary goes down, the secondary to be the >> primary? >> >> My understanding about this is that you just need to copy user's files >> ( system configuration), hosting directories, and dns entries. I don't >> know how to do that. My major concerning is that I need to update the >> dns entries because when the server 1 goes down the domain is going to >> be the same, but maybe the ips will change. >> > > Install BIND on both machines. > > Setup up primary zone files on the primary DNS server. Add these > "master" zone entries to the named.conf. Edit named.conf on the > secondary DNS server and add "slave" entries for the master zones from > the primary DNS server to the named.conf. The secondary server will > "pull" the master zone information from the primary server. > > Make sure statically assigned servers/workstations/switches/etc. and > DHCP clients have two servers -- a primary and secondary DNS server -- > to choose from. The key to getting this working is to make sure ALL DNS > clients have both servers listed with their respective IP's. When one > DNS server fails to respond, the client knows to check the other DNS > server. > > Check out the following links for more detailed info: > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTOfunctions. In other words, one is the primary dns server and the other >> is the secondary dns server. What do you recommend to me to implement >> if I want, in case the primary goes down, the secondary to be the >> primary? >> >> My understanding about this is that you just need to copy user's files >> ( system configuration), hosting directories, and dns entries. I don't >> know how to do that. My major concerning is that I need to update the >> dns entries because when the server 1 goes down the domain is going to >> be the same, but maybe the ips will change. >> > > Install BIND on both machines. > > Setup up primary zone files on the primary DNS server. Add these > "master" zone entries to the named.conf. Edit named.conf on the > secondary DNS server and add "slave" entries for the master zones from > the primary DNS server to the named.conf. The secondary server will > "pull" the master zone information from the primary server. > > Make sure statically assigned servers/workstations/switches/etc. and > DHCP clients have two servers -- a primary and secondary DNS server -- > to choose from. The key to getting this working is to make sure ALL DNS > clients have both servers listed with their respective IP's. When one > DNS server fails to respond, the client knows to check the other DNS > server. > > Check out the following links for more detailed info: > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/DNS-HOWTO.html > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/DNS-HOWTO.html#ss5.6 > > > -- > Matt Miller > Systems Administrator > MP TotalCare > gpg public key id: > 08BC7B06 > > "An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly." From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 15 13:15:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA02626 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:15:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA02623 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:15:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27118 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:15:12 -0500 Received: from rand.rsad.edu (rand.rsad.edu [216.38.176.13]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAFIE7kY012480 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:14:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (carson.rsad.edu [216.38.176.14]) by rand.rsad.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Ringling) with ESMTP id gAFIDxll011598 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from shakti.it.rsad.edu ( [shakti.it.rsad.edu]) as user pgupta@imap.rsad.edu by campus.rsad.edu with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:14:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1037384041.3dd5396980cc2@campus.rsad.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:14:01 -0500 From: Prasun Gupta To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Linux distributions References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> In-Reply-To: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.38.183.154 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I needed to have a build of the generic kernel, but I am not able to build it successfully for my machine.. For some reason... I wanted to know if there is a standard linux ditribution, whose kernel is very much like the generic kernel. e.g. slackware, redhat, etc... Or else, is there any installer for the generic kernel, which can basically do the installation on the machine... Any pointers or help will be appreciated... -- Prasun Gupta, Systems Analyst Ringling School of Art and Design (941)359-7573 pgupta@ringling.edu From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 15 13:18:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA02665 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:18:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA02662 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:18:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27166 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:18:32 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-20.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.20] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAFII7kY012739 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:18:07 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.20]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA13846 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:17:04 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA25548 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:17:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mirror From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <65025.199.222.4.62.1037386688.squirrel@_default_> References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> <1037378347.28954.106.camel@menix> <65025.199.222.4.62.1037386688.squirrel@_default_> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-wW4AU+awHZ0+PgVyzGb6" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 15 Nov 2002 13:17:03 -0500 Message-Id: <1037384223.28955.117.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-wW4AU+awHZ0+PgVyzGb6 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 13:58, Diego Henao wrote: > First of all, thanks for answering my question. I think your answer is > pretty much complete. I have another question about this. Will these set > up allow the secondary server to have an updated list of the web-hosted > sites that I have in my primary?. In other words, I have different client= s > with different websites. I think my server is giving the information to > people outside about where all these websites are. In case my primary > server goes down, noone can access my client's web-sites because there is > not record of them. If these are external DNS servers, you probably have zone files for each domain. Make sure you have setup a "slave" entry on your secondary for each domain. Contact your Registrar (Verisign, TUCOWS, etc.) and update the primary and secondary DNS servers to reflect their respective IP's. If your primary fails to respond, the outside world will know how to access the secondary. Look into the DNSSEC and allow-recursion functions of BIND to help increase security. --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 "An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly." --=-wW4AU+awHZ0+PgVyzGb6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA91TofIomZUAi8ewYRAgBVAKCEVp3tGYRaU1N0RqFfx/W2DEg0iACfSMhs Qrcu8Cld4KepFGGsczmsYO0= =FCjH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-wW4AU+awHZ0+PgVyzGb6-- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 15 13:41:44 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA02890 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:41:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA02883 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:41:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27400 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:41:42 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAFIeCkY014120 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:40:13 -0500 Received: (qmail 25221 invoked by uid 508); 15 Nov 2002 18:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.148.96) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 15 Nov 2002 18:39:47 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=jcopenha) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 18ClN1-0001bl-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:39:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:39:11 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distributions In-Reply-To: <1037384041.3dd5396980cc2@campus.rsad.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey Prasun, Why do you need the generic kernel? And what kind of problem are you having building yours.. Jason On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Prasun Gupta wrote: > I needed to have a build of the generic kernel, but I am not able to build it successfully for my > machine.. For some reason... > > I wanted to know if there is a standard linux ditribution, whose kernel is very much like the generic > kernel. e.g. slackware, redhat, etc... > > Or else, is there any installer for the generic kernel, which can basically do the installation on the > machine... > > > Any pointers or help will be appreciated... > > -- > Prasun Gupta, Systems Analyst > Ringling School of Art and Design > (941)359-7573 > pgupta@ringling.edu > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 15 13:59:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA03044 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:59:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA03041 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:59:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27580 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:59:52 -0500 Received: from gandalf.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-21.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.21] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAFIx7kY015301 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:59:07 -0500 Received: from rufus.mptotalcare.com (rufus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.21]) by gandalf.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA20565 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:58:55 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by rufus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA10903 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:58:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rufus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distributions From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <1037384041.3dd5396980cc2@campus.rsad.edu> References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> <1037384041.3dd5396980cc2@campus.rsad.edu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-iRn0nig4BcSb1kLztwSv" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 15 Nov 2002 13:58:54 -0500 Message-Id: <1037386734.28954.131.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-iRn0nig4BcSb1kLztwSv Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 13:14, Prasun Gupta wrote: > I needed to have a build of the generic kernel, but I am not able to buil= d it successfully for my=20 > machine.. For some reason... >=20 > I wanted to know if there is a standard linux ditribution, whose kernel i= s very much like the generic=20 > kernel. e.g. slackware, redhat, etc... Most ditros have base kernels which they use to reconcile hardware for the base install -- cpu, motherboard controllers, ide/scsi controllers, etc. Some ditros have shorter cycles between releases and utilize the newest 2.4.x kernels which can be advantageous if you are installing the distro on newer computers/hardware -- I believe Red Hat, Mandrake, and SuSE would be examples of distros with shorter release cycles. Building a custom modular kernel image really isn't that difficult (and can be done in 2 steps): =20 $ make xconfig $ make dep && make bzImage modules modules_install I mention modular specifically because you can always insert modules into a "base" kernel to suit your specific hardware needs. Check out the Kernel Howto: http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Kernel-HOWTO.html HTH --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 -- An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly. --=-iRn0nig4BcSb1kLztwSv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA91UPuIomZUAi8ewYRAni/AJwIiyYum2KwDJMdUpoRteDlVAR7+QCgsf+G VPVE3jxacXkHF0saweijvgQ= =pOk/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-iRn0nig4BcSb1kLztwSv-- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 15 14:04:42 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA03085 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:04:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA03082 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:04:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27638 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:04:42 -0500 Received: from pop017.verizon.net (pop017pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.210]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAFJ3tkY015606 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:03:56 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.98.211]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021115190350.HYEA1423.pop017.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:03:50 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firewall/router question Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:07:18 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211151407.18394.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop017.verizon.net from [4.47.98.211] at Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:03:50 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks for all the helpful replies. After I got it set up, it turns out the D-Link nic DFE-530TX+ won't work. A search revealed it has a buggy linux driver. Back to the supplier. Smitty On Thursday 14 November 2002 16:17, you wrote: > On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Smitty wrote: > > I am setting up my old linux box as a firewall/ router with an ethernet > > connection to the new box and isp. Is there a particular address I would > > use to designate the new box? > > Smitty > > RFC 1918 > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1918.txt > > In chapter 3 says: > > The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) has reserved the > following three blocks of the IP address space for private internets: > > 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 (10/8 prefix) > 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 (172.16/12 prefix) > 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 (192.168/16 prefix) > > I've usually seen that large corporate networks use the 10.x.y.z address > space which, when subnetted into smaller networks, gives them sufficient > flexibility. Most home LANS (including mine) use 192.168.y.z, typically > with a 255.255.255.0 (24 bit) subnet mask. I don't think I'll ever have > more than 254 hosts on a subnet. I don't think I'll ever have more than > 254 subnets either. Currently I have 2 subnets, 192.168.100.0/24 and > 192.168.200.0/24. Occassionally, I bring up a 192.168.150.0/24 or others > to play with new toys. Also, many people use the .1 address for the > gateway. > > So the LAN-facing interface on your firewall could be: > Address: 192.168.100.1 > Mask: 255.255.255.0 > Broadcast: 192.168.100.255 > Network: 192.168.100.0 > The WAN-facing interface on your firewall would presumably be assigned by > your ISP's DHCP server. > > > The interface on your workstation that faces your new firewall could be: > Address: 192.168.100.50 > Mask: 255.255.255.0 > Broadcast 192.168.100.255 > Network: 192.168.100.0 > Gateway: 192.168.100.1 > > If I'm running a DHCP server for that subnet I usually hold the bottom of > the address range back for static address devices and let DHCP hand out > the upper addresses. Something like 192.168.100.1 through 50 for static > and 192.168.100.51 through 192.168.100.250 for DHCP. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 15 15:26:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03804 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:26:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA03801 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:26:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28515 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:26:23 -0500 From: corey@serviceweb.net Received: from cosmos.serviceweb.net (cosmos.serviceweb.net [209.94.121.24]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAFKPokY020737 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:25:50 -0500 Received: (qmail 10748 invoked by uid 99); 15 Nov 2002 20:25:41 -0000 Received: from 129.42.208.182 ( [129.42.208.182]) as user corey@serviceweb.net@serviceweb.net by mail.serviceweb.net with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:25:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1037391941.3dd55845c0e02@mail.serviceweb.net> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:25:41 -0500 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distributions References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> <1037384041.3dd5396980cc2@campus.rsad.edu> In-Reply-To: <1037384041.3dd5396980cc2@campus.rsad.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 129.42.208.182 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Gentoo is good for using plain kernel sources as it allows you to choose which sources are installed. Corey Quoting Prasun Gupta : > I needed to have a build of the generic kernel, but I am not able to build it > successfully for my > machine.. For some reason... > > I wanted to know if there is a standard linux ditribution, whose kernel is > very much like the generic > kernel. e.g. slackware, redhat, etc... > > Or else, is there any installer for the generic kernel, which can basically > do the installation on the > machine... > > > Any pointers or help will be appreciated... > > -- > Prasun Gupta, Systems Analyst > Ringling School of Art and Design > (941)359-7573 > pgupta@ringling.edu > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 15 16:04:04 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA04187 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:04:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA04184 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:04:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28949 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:04:03 -0500 Received: from usushntex51.unistudios.com (outmail.unistudios.com [192.251.67.111]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAFL2lkY023135 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:02:49 -0500 Received: from usintex11lax.unistudios.com (usintex11lax.udh.unistudios.com [167.167.130.41]) by usushntex51.unistudios.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id VT4KS2B6; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:00:47 -0800 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by usintex11lax.unistudios.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:02:40 -0800 Received: by usintex11lax.udh.unistudios.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:02:40 -0800 Message-ID: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A7B@usush2kex03> From: "Quesada, Oscar" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux distributions Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:02:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Where can I get Gentoo program? Oscar R. Quesada UMG-IT Systems/Network Support Vivendi Universal 818-777-5701 -----Original Message----- From: corey@serviceweb.net [mailto:corey@serviceweb.net] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 12:26 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distributions Gentoo is good for using plain kernel sources as it allows you to choose which sources are installed. Corey Quoting Prasun Gupta : > I needed to have a build of the generic kernel, but I am not able to build it > successfully for my > machine.. For some reason... > > I wanted to know if there is a standard linux ditribution, whose kernel is > very much like the generic > kernel. e.g. slackware, redhat, etc... > > Or else, is there any installer for the generic kernel, which can basically > do the installation on the > machine... > > > Any pointers or help will be appreciated... > > -- > Prasun Gupta, Systems Analyst > Ringling School of Art and Design > (941)359-7573 > pgupta@ringling.edu > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 15 16:10:04 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA04252 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:10:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA04249 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:10:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29044 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:10:03 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAFL9EkY023569 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:09:14 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAFMFYOP005101 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:15:34 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAFMFXBE005099; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:15:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 199.222.4.62 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:15:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42483.199.222.4.62.1037398533.squirrel@_default_> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:15:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mirror To: In-Reply-To: <1037384223.28955.117.camel@menix> References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> <1037378347.28954.106.camel@menix> <65025.199.222.4.62.1037386688.squirrel@_default_> <1037384223.28955.117.camel@menix> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Again, thanks a lot. I don't know if cobalt is running bind. I will find out that this afternoon. I have a copy of the /etc/named.conf. Like you said each domain has a entry in the server. Of course, I am doing everything in the backup server, just in case I will screw up something. The structure is pretty much like you said. zone "domain" { type master file}. I am going ahead and read the cobalt documentation. I will try to find the bind configuration files and assign the values of master and slave so I can go ahead and modify all these files. Anything will happen; I let you know. Again thanks so much. Diego Henao > On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 13:58, Diego Henao wrote: >> First of all, thanks for answering my question. I think your answer is >> pretty much complete. I have another question about this. Will these >> set up allow the secondary server to have an updated list of the >> web-hosted sites that I have in my primary?. In other words, I have >> different clients with different websites. I think my server is giving >> the information to people outside about where all these websites are. >> In case my primary server goes down, noone can access my client's >> web-sites because there is not record of them. > > If these are external DNS servers, you probably have zone files for each > domain. Make sure you have setup a "slave" entry on your secondary for > each domain. Contact your Registrar (Verisign, TUCOWS, etc.) and update > the primary and secondary DNS servers to reflect their respective IP's. > If your primary fails to respond, the outside world will know how to > access the secondary. > Look into the DNSSEC and allow-recursion functions of BIND to help > increase security. > -- > Matt Miller > Systems Administrator > MP TotalCare > gpg public key id: > 08BC7B06 > > "An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly." From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 15 16:18:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA04366 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:18:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA04363 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:18:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29175 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:18:33 -0500 Received: from rand.rsad.edu (rand.rsad.edu [216.38.176.13]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAFLI0kY024142 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:18:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (carson.rsad.edu [216.38.176.14]) by rand.rsad.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Ringling) with ESMTP id gAFLHrll020948 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from shakti.it.rsad.edu ( [shakti.it.rsad.edu]) as user pgupta@imap.rsad.edu by campus.rsad.edu with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:17:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1037395075.3dd564831490f@campus.rsad.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:17:55 -0500 From: Prasun Gupta To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distributions References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.38.183.154 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I need to install a package which requires a generic kernel. I have a machine that has IDE bus with scsi controller card and harddrive is scsi. For some reason after trying numerous times with all kinds of changes, the machine would hang at bootup at the point of NET4 was installed I was never able to progress ahead of that... On the same machine, I have redhat 8.0 running, and I had absolutely no problem installing it... So, I felt maybe, if I could find a installer, or a distribution, then maybe I could have a generic kernel installed without any problem !!!!!!! --Prasun Quoting Jason Copenhaver : > Hey Prasun, > Why do you need the generic kernel? And what kind of problem are > you having building yours.. > > Jason > > > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Prasun Gupta wrote: > > > I needed to have a build of the generic kernel, but I am not able to build > it successfully for my > > machine.. For some reason... > > > > I wanted to know if there is a standard linux ditribution, whose kernel is > very much like the generic > > kernel. e.g. slackware, redhat, etc... > > > > Or else, is there any installer for the generic kernel, which can basically > do the installation on the > > machine... > > > > > > Any pointers or help will be appreciated... > > > > -- > > Prasun Gupta, Systems Analyst > > Ringling School of Art and Design > > (941)359-7573 > > pgupta@ringling.edu > > > > > > -- Prasun Gupta, Systems Analyst Ringling School of Art and Design (941)359-7573 pgupta@ringling.edu From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 15 16:26:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA04527 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:26:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA04515 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:26:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29309 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:26:44 -0500 Received: from gandalf.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-21.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.21] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAFLP7kY024644 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:25:07 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.1.0.20]) by gandalf.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA21575 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:23:45 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA25798 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:23:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux distributions From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A7B@usush2kex03> References: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A7B@usush2kex03> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-PiYW3ATGvEv+PEad/GS7" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 15 Nov 2002 16:23:44 -0500 Message-Id: <1037395425.28954.133.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-PiYW3ATGvEv+PEad/GS7 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 16:02, Quesada, Oscar wrote: > Where can I get Gentoo program? Did you try: http://www.google.com/search?q=3Dgentoo Try the first link. --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 -- An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly. --=-PiYW3ATGvEv+PEad/GS7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA91WXgIomZUAi8ewYRAhkBAKDG+CsSdE4RmOdqKceHkIQXqW5d+QCcDpt1 cJF5HLzg3enfyKqi94xGOT4= =3Gpe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-PiYW3ATGvEv+PEad/GS7-- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 15 16:42:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA04666 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:42:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA04663 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:42:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29496 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:42:23 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAFLfgkY025722 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:41:42 -0500 Received: (qmail 23834 invoked by uid 508); 15 Nov 2002 21:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.148.96) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 15 Nov 2002 21:41:35 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=jcopenha) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 18CoCs-0001eE-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:40:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:40:54 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distributions In-Reply-To: <1037395075.3dd564831490f@campus.rsad.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hmm.. sounds like you have a miscompiled kernel.. You could download the plain kernel sources from ftp.kernel.org .. then copy your redhat config file (if you installed the kernel-src rpm) then use that config to build your generic kernel.. Jason On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Prasun Gupta wrote: > I need to install a package which requires a generic kernel. > I have a machine that has IDE bus with scsi controller card and harddrive is scsi. For some > reason after trying numerous times with all kinds of changes, the machine would hang at bootup > at the point of > > NET4 was installed > I was never able to progress ahead of that... > > On the same machine, I have redhat 8.0 running, and I had absolutely no problem installing it... > So, I felt maybe, if I could find a installer, or a distribution, then maybe I could have a generic kernel > installed without any problem !!!!!!! > > --Prasun > > > Quoting Jason Copenhaver : > > > Hey Prasun, > > Why do you need the generic kernel? And what kind of problem are > > you having building yours.. > > > > Jason > > > > > > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Prasun Gupta wrote: > > > > > I needed to have a build of the generic kernel, but I am not able to build > > it successfully for my > > > machine.. For some reason... > > > > > > I wanted to know if there is a standard linux ditribution, whose kernel is > > very much like the generic > > > kernel. e.g. slackware, redhat, etc... > > > > > > Or else, is there any installer for the generic kernel, which can basically > > do the installation on the > > > machine... > > > > > > > > > Any pointers or help will be appreciated... > > > > > > -- > > > Prasun Gupta, Systems Analyst > > > Ringling School of Art and Design > > > (941)359-7573 > > > pgupta@ringling.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Prasun Gupta, Systems Analyst > Ringling School of Art and Design > (941)359-7573 > pgupta@ringling.edu > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 15 19:06:44 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA06030 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:06:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA06027 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:06:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31101 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:06:43 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAG05jkY002720 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:05:45 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAG1BrOP005728 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:54 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAG1BhKB005726; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 192.168.0.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1415.192.168.0.1.1037409102.squirrel@_default_> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mirror To: In-Reply-To: <42483.199.222.4.62.1037398533.squirrel@_default_> References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> <1037378347.28954.106.camel@menix> <65025.199.222.4.62.1037386688.squirrel@_default_> <1037384223.28955.117.camel@menix> <42483.199.222.4.62.1037398533.squirrel@_default_> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Matt, Thanks a lot for your help. I have been working on this a couple of hours. I modify the named.conf of my slave server. Now, It looks like: options { directory "/etc/named"; }; zone "." { type hint; file "db.cache"; }; zone "cubanaso.com" { type slave; file "pri.cubanaso.com"; master {64.58.197.202}; }; zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" { type slave; file "pri.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa"; master {64.58.197.202}; }; zone "clecstrategies.com" { type slave; file "pri.clecstrategies.com";master {64.58.197.202}; }; Finally, I want to ask you. How can you check that it is working?. Regards, Diego > Again, thanks a lot. I don't know if cobalt is running bind. I will find > out that this afternoon. I have a copy of the /etc/named.conf. Like you > said each domain has a entry in the server. Of course, I am doing > everything in the backup server, just in case I will screw up something. > The structure is pretty much like you said. zone "domain" { type master > file}. I am going ahead and read the cobalt documentation. I will try to > find the bind configuration files and assign the values of master and > slave so I can go ahead and modify all these files. > > Anything will happen; I let you know. > > Again thanks so much. > > > Diego Henao >> On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 13:58, Diego Henao wrote: >>> First of all, thanks for answering my question. I think your answer >>> is pretty much complete. I have another question about this. Will >>> these set up allow the secondary server to have an updated list of >>> the web-hosted sites that I have in my primary?. In other words, I >>> have different clients with different websites. I think my server is >>> giving the information to people outside about where all these >>> websites are. In case my primary server goes down, noone can access >>> my client's web-sites because there is not record of them. >> >> If these are external DNS servers, you probably have zone files for >> each domain. Make sure you have setup a "slave" entry on your >> secondary for each domain. Contact your Relot. I don't know if cobalt is running bind. I will find > out that this afternoon. I have a copy of the /etc/named.conf. Like you > said each domain has a entry in the server. Of course, I am doing > everything in the backup server, just in case I will screw up something. > The structure is pretty much like you said. zone "domain" { type master > file}. I am going ahead and read the cobalt documentation. I will try to > find the bind configuration files and assign the values of master and > slave so I can go ahead and modify all these files. > > Anything will happen; I let you know. > > Again thanks so much. > > > Diego Henao >> On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 13:58, Diego Henao wrote: >>> First of all, thanks for answering my question. I think your answer >>> is pretty much complete. I have another question about this. Will >>> these set up allow the secondary server to have an updated list of >>> the web-hosted sites that I have in my primary?. In other words, I >>> have different clients with different websites. I think my server is >>> giving the information to people outside about where all these >>> websites are. In case my primary server goes down, noone can access >>> my client's web-sites because there is not record of them. >> >> If these are external DNS servers, you probably have zone files for >> each domain. Make sure you have setup a "slave" entry on your >> secondary for each domain. Contact your Registrar (Verisign, TUCOWS, >> etc.) and update the primary and secondary DNS servers to reflect >> their respective IP's. If your primary fails to respond, the outside >> world will know how to access the secondary. >> Look into the DNSSEC and allow-recursion functions of BIND to help >> increase security. >> -- >> Matt Miller >> Systems Administrator >> MP TotalCare >> gpg public key id: >> 08BC7B06 >> >> "An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly." From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 16 09:59:17 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA13940 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:59:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA13937 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:59:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07851 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:59:16 -0500 Received: from lucky.innet.com ([66.192.25.1]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAGEwckY028069 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:58:38 -0500 Received: from dragon.local (npr-75.innet.com [66.192.25.75] (may be forged)) by lucky.innet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31321 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:59:26 -0500 Received: from dragon.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.local (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id gAGEmYFD009705 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:48:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dragon.local (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gAGEmYBI009704 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:48:34 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Bob File To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] plip install Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:48:34 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211160948.34346.rfile@dragon> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id JAA13938 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I am trying to install SuSE Linux 8.0 on an old laptop that I inherited. There is no CDROM, and the only network card I have is 10 mbs and my hub is 100 mbs, so unfortunately that route doesn't work. I've been trying to do it via the paralell port driver, but no luck as of yet. I've been trying to follow the plip howto instructions, but the error messages I see in /var/log/messages makes me think that perhaps I have some kind of hardware error. Here are typical lines pertaining to plip: Nov 16 07:11:15 dragon kernel: plip0: transmit timeout(1,86) Nov 16 07:11:23 dragon kernel: plip0: transmit timeout(1,c6) Nov 16 07:13:01 dragon kernel: plip0: receive timeout(2,86) Nov 16 07:13:01 dragon kernel: plip0: receive interrupt in error state The above messages are from the box that already has Linux installed and running and has a cdrom drive I can use. NFS is running. Over on the target laptop I get something similar in one of the consoles: plip0 timeout(1,87) The SuSE install from floppies lets me load modules. When I ask to load plip, it gives me parameter boxes to fill in, but I am unsure of what to put in them. I leave them blank and parport, parport_pc and plip all seem to load (lsmod). Over in another terminal I can see the messages reported when the modules load: parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x770) [PCSPP,TRISTATE] parport0: irq 7 detected plip: parport0 has no IRQ. Using IRQ-less mode,which is fairly inefficient! plip0: Paralell port at 0x378, not using IRQ. SO... I fear that my problem may be the above lines - the IRQ for the paralell port on the laptop is not found correctly. I have not found any info on how to pass parameters to parport (parport_pc) or plip. Can anyone toss me a clue? Ethereal shows portmap protocol being used; when I expand the portmap datagram ti shows : Porcedure: GETPORT (3) Program: MOUNT (100005) source and target addreses are the ones I assigned to plip0 with ifconfig and they are also in /etc/hosts Have I forgotten something in another config file in /etc? From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 16 10:26:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14297 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:26:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14279 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:26:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08166 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:26:47 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAGFPKkY029852 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:25:20 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAGFPECB014372 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:25:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] plip install From: Matt To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200211160948.34346.rfile@dragon> References: <200211160948.34346.rfile@dragon> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Textbox Networks Message-Id: <1037460272.1542.17.camel@slacker.textbox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 16 Nov 2002 10:24:32 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug What is the make/model of the laptop? On Sat, 2002-11-16 at 09:48, Bob File wrote: > I am trying to install SuSE Linux 8.0 on an old laptop that I inherited. > There is no CDROM, and the only network card I have is 10 mbs and my hub is > 100 mbs, so unfortunately that route doesn't work. I've been trying to do it > via the paralell port driver, but no luck as of yet. I've been trying to > follow the plip howto instructions, but the error messages I see in > /var/log/messages makes me think that perhaps I have some kind of hardware > error. Here are typical lines pertaining to plip: > > Nov 16 07:11:15 dragon kernel: plip0: transmit timeout(1,86) > Nov 16 07:11:23 dragon kernel: plip0: transmit timeout(1,c6) > > > Nov 16 07:13:01 dragon kernel: plip0: receive timeout(2,86) > Nov 16 07:13:01 dragon kernel: plip0: receive interrupt in error state > > The above messages are from the box that already has Linux installed and > running and has a cdrom drive I can use. NFS is running. > > Over on the target laptop I get something similar in one of the consoles: > plip0 timeout(1,87) > > The SuSE install from floppies lets me load modules. When I ask to load plip, > it gives me parameter boxes to fill in, but I am unsure of what to put in > them. I leave them blank and parport, parport_pc and plip all seem to load > (lsmod). Over in another terminal I can see the messages reported when the > modules load: > parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x770) [PCSPP,TRISTATE] > parport0: irq 7 detected > plip: parport0 has no IRQ. Using IRQ-less mode,which is fairly inefficient! > plip0: Paralell port at 0x378, not using IRQ. > > SO... I fear that my problem may be the above lines - the IRQ for the paralell > port on the laptop is not found correctly. I have not found any info on how > to pass parameters to parport (parport_pc) or plip. > Can anyone toss me a clue? > > Ethereal shows portmap protocol being used; when I expand the portmap datagram > ti shows : > Porcedure: GETPORT (3) > Program: MOUNT (100005) > > source and target addreses are the ones I assigned to plip0 with ifconfig and > they are also in /etc/hosts > Have I forgotten something in another config file in /etc? -- From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 16 11:20:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA14747 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:20:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14744 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:20:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08639 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:20:06 -0500 Received: from lucky.innet.com ([66.192.25.1]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAGGJikY000830 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:19:44 -0500 Received: from dragon.local (npr-75.innet.com [66.192.25.75] (may be forged)) by lucky.innet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08019 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:20:32 -0500 Received: from dragon.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.local (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id gAGGSTFD010676 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:28:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dragon.local (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gAGGSS3T010675 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:28:28 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob File To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] plip install Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:28:28 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <200211160948.34346.rfile@dragon> <1037460272.1542.17.camel@slacker.textbox.net> In-Reply-To: <1037460272.1542.17.camel@slacker.textbox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211161128.28751.rfile@dragon> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id LAA14745 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 16 November 2002 10:24 am, Matt wrote: > What is the make/model of the laptop? > make model is compaq LTE 3580 From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 16 12:07:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA15156 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:07:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA15153 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:07:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09093 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:07:06 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAGH6TkY003856 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:06:29 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAGH6NfC006503 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:06:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] plip install From: Matt To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200211161128.28751.rfile@dragon> References: <200211160948.34346.rfile@dragon> <1037460272.1542.17.camel@slacker.textbox.net> <200211161128.28751.rfile@dragon> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Textbox Networks Message-Id: <1037466341.1542.20.camel@slacker.textbox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 16 Nov 2002 12:05:41 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Whoa, that's an old one. I was going to say check www.linux-laptop.net as it's a great resource but they don't have anything listed for it :-/ I'll check around, see what I can find On Sat, 2002-11-16 at 11:28, Bob File wrote: > On Saturday 16 November 2002 10:24 am, Matt wrote: > > What is the make/model of the laptop? > > > make model is compaq LTE 3580 -- From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 16 13:06:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA15641 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:06:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA15627 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:06:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09646 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:06:26 -0500 Received: from lucky.innet.com ([66.192.25.1]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAGI4vkY007585 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:04:57 -0500 Received: from dragon.local (npr-60.innet.com [66.192.25.60] (may be forged)) by lucky.innet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19932 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:05:46 -0500 Received: from dragon.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.local (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id gAGIDBOl004192 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:13:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dragon.local (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gAGIDBXm004191 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:13:11 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob File To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] plip install Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:13:11 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <200211160948.34346.rfile@dragon> <200211161128.28751.rfile@dragon> <1037466341.1542.20.camel@slacker.textbox.net> In-Reply-To: <1037466341.1542.20.camel@slacker.textbox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211161313.11053.rfile@dragon> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id NAA15628 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 16 November 2002 12:05 pm, Matt wrote: > Whoa, that's an old one. I was going to say check www.linux-laptop.net > as it's a great resource but they don't have anything listed for it :-/ > > > make model is compaq LTE 3580 Thanks. I played around a little more and I now know how to tell parport_pc what io and interupt to use so it passes to plip(0), but that didn't seem to help. The initial packets sent out from the target are trying to use mount and portmap. I think I have a setting wrong somewhere for nfs, mount or something.... more stuff from /var/log/messages Nov 16 12:47:33 dragon rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from target:611 for /media/cdrecorder (/media/cdrecorder) Nov 16 12:47:33 dragon rpc.mountd: getfh failed: Operation not permitted Nov 16 12:47:34 dragon kernel: plip0: transmit timeout(1,86) From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 16 13:56:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA16096 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:56:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA16093 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:56:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10119 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:56:26 -0500 Received: from ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (mail.kingwoodcable.net [24.206.159.247]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAGIttkY010779 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:55:56 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id F2DB7350108 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:54:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from micro.hef (h65-222-109-126.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.109.126]) by ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 001403500BE for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:54:46 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 2969 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2002 18:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iotcorp.com) (192.168.5.5) by 192.168.5.1 with SMTP; 16 Nov 2002 18:12:48 -0000 Message-ID: <3DD64EE0.3030503@iotcorp.com> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:57:52 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan Organization: Integrated Object Technologies Corp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] plip install References: <200211160948.34346.rfile@dragon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Bob File wrote: > I am trying to install SuSE Linux 8.0 on an old laptop that I inherited. > There is no CDROM, and the only network card I have is 10 mbs and my hub is > 100 mbs, so unfortunately that route doesn't work. I've been trying to do it > via the paralell port driver, but no luck as of yet. I've been trying to > follow the plip howto instructions, but the error messages I see in > /var/log/messages makes me think that perhaps I have some kind of hardware > error. Here are typical lines pertaining to plip: > If you want to PLIP for PLIP's sake, go for it. If you don't mind a work-around, you can use a cross-over ethernet cable to hook 2 machines together without using any hub. This would let you get your stuff installed fairly easily and cheaply. Most places that sell ethernet cables should also sell cross-over cables (Staples, OfficeMax, Best Buy, etc). A short one should cost about $6.00 ? --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 16 15:14:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA16728 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:14:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA16725 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:14:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10818 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:14:46 -0500 Received: from sbc2.ieshost.com (sbc2.ieshost.com [64.95.200.13]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAGKE1kY015709 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:14:01 -0500 Received: (qmail 4671 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2002 20:13:50 -0000 Received: from softdnserror (HELO ws10) (24.92.10.67) by ivbn.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2002 20:13:50 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interchange Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:13:54 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <1891.192.168.0.1.1037247521.squirrel@_default_> In-Reply-To: <1891.192.168.0.1.1037247521.squirrel@_default_> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211161513.54820.steve@itcom.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id PAA16726 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wednesday 13 November 2002 23:18, Diego Henao wrote: > Has someone worked with interchange before?. I need help with a > couple of things. The documentation is not good enough. > > Regards > > Diego I used it in the past, and am now getting into designing a new one. What I found to be key is to compile it from source. Do not use RPM's. Pay attention to the messages, it might say it had a problem but still continues with the next step. It works great once installed right. -- Steve ___________________________________________________________ HTML in e-mail is not safe. It let's spammers know to spam you more, and sets you up for online attack through IE 4.x and above. Using HTML in e-mail promotes it as safe to the uninitiated. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 16 15:26:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA16854 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:26:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA16851 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:26:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10933 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:26:06 -0500 Received: from lucky.innet.com ([66.192.25.1]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAGKPnkY016436 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:25:49 -0500 Received: from dragon.local (npr-26.innet.com [66.192.25.26] (may be forged)) by lucky.innet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01869 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:26:37 -0500 Received: from dragon.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.local (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id gAGKQrCO004184 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:26:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dragon.local (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gAGKQq1V004183 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:26:52 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob File To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] plip install Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:26:52 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <200211160948.34346.rfile@dragon> <3DD64EE0.3030503@iotcorp.com> In-Reply-To: <3DD64EE0.3030503@iotcorp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211161526.52435.rfile@dragon> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id PAA16852 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 16 November 2002 08:57 am, Ronan Heffernan wrote: > If you want to PLIP for PLIP's sake, go for it. If you don't mind a > work-around, you can use a cross-over ethernet cable to hook 2 machines > together without using any hub. This would let you get your stuff So 2 ethernet cards connected together will auto negoiate the speed? I only have 10base available for the laptop, but the other box is 100base. I just want to install, plus connect once in a while. Yeah if a cross over cable will work, that would be perfect. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 16 17:02:48 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA17725 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:02:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA17722 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:02:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11821 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:02:47 -0500 Received: from dt2.gschmidt.net (6535161hfc60.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.161.60]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAGM2QkY022592 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:02:26 -0500 Received: by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9B2A12AE75; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942007CCB for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:02:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:02:20 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Schmidt To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] plip install In-Reply-To: <200211161526.52435.rfile@dragon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, Bob File wrote: > On Saturday 16 November 2002 08:57 am, Ronan Heffernan wrote: > > > If you want to PLIP for PLIP's sake, go for it. If you don't mind a > > work-around, you can use a cross-over ethernet cable to hook 2 machines > > together without using any hub. This would let you get your stuff > > So 2 ethernet cards connected together will auto negoiate the speed? I only > have 10base available for the laptop, but the other box is 100base. > I just want to install, plus connect once in a while. > Yeah if a cross over cable will work, that would be perfect. > Just about any 100Mb/s NIC should figure out how to run at 10Mb/s. In the rare event that the autonegotiation would fail between 2 NICs with Linux drivers there should be a way to set it at 10 manually. If your hub only does 100 and won't fall back to 10 it's a weird one. All of the 100Mbs gear I've seen can fall back to 10. If it couldn't, it would have blown the migration path for folks upgrading their networks from 10 and put a crimp in the manufacturer's market share. When the IEEE and folks were drawing up the specs for 100Mbs stuff having backwards compatibility to 10Mbs was something they considered important. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 16 19:52:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA19270 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:52:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA19267 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:52:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13375 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:52:27 -0500 Received: from lucky.innet.com ([66.192.25.1]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAH0pekY000800 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:51:40 -0500 Received: from dragon.local (npr-22.innet.com [66.192.25.22] (may be forged)) by lucky.innet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25103 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:52:29 -0500 Received: from dragon.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.local (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id gAH0i9CO017474 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:44:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dragon.local (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gAH0i8pT017473 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:44:08 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob File To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] plip install Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:44:08 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211161944.08645.rfile@dragon> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id TAA19268 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 16 November 2002 05:02 pm, Greg Schmidt wrote: > Just about any 100Mb/s NIC should figure out how to run at 10Mb/s. In the > rare event that the autonegotiation would fail between 2 NICs with Linux > drivers there should be a way to set it at 10 manually. If your hub only > does 100 and won't fall back to 10 it's a weird one. All of the 100Mbs I can't find anything in the printed literature or the PDF that I got from Netgear that mentions this hub (Netgear FE104) will do both speeds. The 2 cards that came with it are listed as autonegotiating, and I bet the built in one on the mobo of my "source" box will do the same. The hub is a small cheap one that came in a starter network kit/box. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 16 21:24:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA20157 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:24:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA20154 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:24:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14240 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:24:07 -0500 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAH2NakY006643 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:23:36 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.208.200.232.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.208.200.232] helo=localhost.localdomain) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18DF5r-0000QQ-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:23:28 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Linux distributions Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:25:03 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> <1037384041.3dd5396980cc2@campus.rsad.edu> <1037391941.3dd55845c0e02@mail.serviceweb.net> In-Reply-To: <1037391941.3dd55845c0e02@mail.serviceweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211162125.03961.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi All: The title of this message was Linux distributions. Based on that and my current feelings I could not resist in responding. Last Wednesday at the Tampa meeting one of the strong grues help me with installing linux on my laptop. I did not want to loose the Windows setup and wanted this as a dual boot machine. my fear of the then current set up. More on this latter. As I am poor with names and very good with electrical drawings I can not name the person but I do wish to express my sincere thanks for the help I received in learning to split a hard drive. Anyway back to the Linux techie evaluation. But! Before I continue there are a number of people who are going to violently disagree this of this evaluation of RH, SuSE, and Mandrake. Sorry folks this is my evaluation and my opinion. If you have a different one that is your right but this is my evaluation. The first distribution that was installed was Mandrake 8.2. Now, Mandrake Professional is very fine distribution. I had tried it on my desktop test CD and found it to be advanced version to the older RH 7.3 but as you should have guessed by now there were a few problems. One of which is the disk installs and runs fine but it sure messes up the Windows boot loader. Well maybe it does; not sure here as I only installed it 5 times. The results were I could get Windows to boot or Mandrake to boot but not both. There could be a way to make this work; not sure but if there is it is not immediate obvious. Anyway I had a copy of SuSE 8.1 Personal. Now SuSE always install perfectly and almost everything always does seem to work. It is the parts that does not work that bother me. First, I have no idea of how to make a win modem work in SuSE. Yes, I know there are several organizations devoted to winmodems and drivers are which readely available but SuSE for all its other glories and leading edge programs apparently does not include those with the distribution. I find this strange as they have the IBM drivers for laptops. The computer I am installing this on is a laptop. Nor does SuSE provide a means to configure a scanner. I have a small scanner catridge that fits into a Cannon portable BJC-85 printer. To me though the major problem with SuSE is that I just don't trust them and this goes back to the 5.3 days when I spent 6 months trying to install a modem under SuSE finally switching to RH and accomplishing the configuration in 15 minutes. Every time I would configure SuSe they had some program that would immediately change my configuration back to their settings which brings me back to Win modems.. Then there is the RH 8.0 distribution that I originally purchased to installed on the laptop which has some sort of weird new interface known only to RH. I won't express any more of my negative feelings toward this distribution on this list. I have pretty well been drained on that score on sever other lists but suffice it to say my best comment on this was that "RH did a hatchet job on Gnome combined with complete distruction of KDE". Major point here is that I feel violated for purchasing such trash. There are several points to this rambling with all three of these distributions playing a far distant second fiddle to RH 7.2 and Mandrake of the same ventage. I recall I tried one of Paul's free Mandrake distributions and liked it as well as RH 7.2 but not having a full box set I stayed with RH. Some are going to question the RH 7.2 over RH 7.3 but realize here that I am not speaking of the individual programs but the distribution and its stability. The programs can be upgraded by download. RH 7.3 is far too unstable for me. For one thing modem connections freeze up for no apparent reason. Kppp was stable in RH 7.2 but it is not in RH 7.3. This should have been a tip off to the problems with RH 8.0 and KDE since I use Kppp for the modem. As for attempting to install linux on the laptop. I quite well. I have color visual screen which to most people would look quite acceptable but here another problem enters I am color blind - nothing severe - I just can not tell the difference in paster brown, pastel green, and pastel gray. Well you can imagine what colors the screen of all three of the latest (RH, SuSE, and Mandrake) screen appears in. To me it looks like shit when I am being polite. I can not speak for SuSE but this problem did not exist in the older RH or Mandrake. If the screen was all of my discust with these three then the problem would be one thing but that in reality only masks the real problems. I can not find Kppp. nor usermount, not midnight commander just to name a few minor things that have been left out. The distributions have been gutted of many highly relevant programs. Folks they just are not there. As far as I am concerned the only folks that would appreciate RH 8.0, SuSE 8.1, and Mandrake 8.2 are folks who think that MS Windows XP is the greatest thing since man has invented. These distributions have been dumbed down, stupified, and ioditic to such an extent that I sincerely hope that there is no one on this list with the exception of the newest of newbies who would appreciate them. The problem is that I find this sad as I know that I am not currently up to Debian but that is beginning to look like the only distribution that has not been complified idiotified. As far as my current laptop the situation is exactly what one of my old professor friends at USF ask me when I was demonstrating my dual boot Windows / Linus laptop to him. What does Linux here (on the laptop) bring to the picture besides a lot of un-necessary problems? Frankly I have no answer to this question as I am highly considering taking that trash off my laptop. Boy, if only I could figure out how to put RH 7.2 on it. Frank From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 17 01:51:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA23681 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:51:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA23670 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:51:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17129 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:51:29 -0500 Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAH6o2kY024160 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:50:02 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net (pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.65.151]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.5 (built Sep 23 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5P00IDRKB9AU@mtaout04.icomcast.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:49:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:49:56 -0500 From: Logan Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distributions In-reply-to: <200211162125.03961.sotl155360@earthlink.net> To: SLUG Message-id: <1037515797.27032.6.camel@sirus> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-XLmHDJawJVPE+NIP3FgM"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> <1037384041.3dd5396980cc2@campus.rsad.edu> <1037391941.3dd55845c0e02@mail.serviceweb.net> <200211162125.03961.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-XLmHDJawJVPE+NIP3FgM Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2002-11-16 at 21:25, Frank Roberts - SOTL wrote: > Hi All: What exactly is your question?!!? I run Debian on my Dell Inspiron 4000 and everything works. I used to run SuSE 7.2 on it before and everything worked also. Scanners are run with sane. It has nothing to do with a distro.=20 Explore: www.mostang.com/sane/ for further elucidation. Again, I do not understand your question. Or possibly, Sam Adams has totally invaded my brain this Saturday evening. Logan --=20 01:40:01 up 116 days, 18:14, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.24, 0.60 You are confused; but this is your normal state. Registered Linux User 277727 ICQ 72101412 --=-XLmHDJawJVPE+NIP3FgM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA91zwU3OecGqSbkyMRAifuAKCUMqzq+GrsC1jAOryA2uL9J6gdjwCgxdhH pSTcgON+jNAn6pt6QMUVXxg= =QaaC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-XLmHDJawJVPE+NIP3FgM-- From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 17 04:28:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA25165 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:28:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA25156 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:28:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA18911 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:28:48 -0500 Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAH9RqkY001844 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:27:53 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.63.229.144]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021117092746.JGX3265.out001.verizon.net@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 03:27:46 -0600 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distributions From: Vince Meiste To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211162125.03961.sotl155360@earthlink.net> References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> <1037384041.3dd5396980cc2@campus.rsad.edu> <1037391941.3dd55845c0e02@mail.serviceweb.net> <200211162125.03961.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1037525285.1197.5.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 17 Nov 2002 04:28:06 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out001.verizon.net from [4.63.229.144] at Sun, 17 Nov 2002 03:27:46 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug And your point is??? Jeez dude, get to the point. For what it's worth, I'm running a dual boot setup with GRUB on a IBM Thinkpad T21 with RH 8.0 and Windows 2000. Everything works fine as it did when I had Mandrake 9 on this system instead of RH 8.0. It's just your personal preference and what works best for you. If you can't get the built in Winmodem to work just get a PCMCIA modem. They aren't that expensive anymore and are easily recognized by most of the popular distros. Vince On Sat, 2002-11-16 at 21:25, Frank Roberts - SOTL wrote: > Hi All: > > The title of this message was Linux distributions. Based on that and my > current feelings I could not resist in responding. > > Last Wednesday at the Tampa meeting one of the strong grues help me with > installing linux on my laptop. I did not want to loose the Windows setup and > wanted this as a dual boot machine. my fear of the then current set up. > More on this latter. As I am poor with names and very good with electrical > drawings I can not name the person but I do wish to express my sincere thanks > for the help I received in learning to split a hard drive. > > Anyway back to the Linux techie evaluation. > But! Before I continue there are a number of people who are going to violently > disagree this of this evaluation of RH, SuSE, and Mandrake. Sorry folks this > is my evaluation and my opinion. If you have a different one that is your > right but this is my evaluation. > > The first distribution that was installed was Mandrake 8.2. Now, Mandrake > Professional is very fine distribution. I had tried it on my desktop test CD > and found it to be advanced version to the older RH 7.3 but as you should > have guessed by now there were a few problems. One of which is the disk > installs and runs fine but it sure messes up the Windows boot loader. Well > maybe it does; not sure here as I only installed it 5 times. The results were > I could get Windows to boot or Mandrake to boot but not both. There could be > a way to make this work; not sure but if there is it is not immediate > obvious. > > Anyway I had a copy of SuSE 8.1 Personal. Now SuSE always install perfectly > and almost everything always does seem to work. It is the parts that does not > work that bother me. First, I have no idea of how to make a win modem work in > SuSE. Yes, I know there are several organizations devoted to winmodems and > drivers are which readely available but SuSE for all its other glories and > leading edge programs apparently does not include those with the > distribution. I find this strange as they have the IBM drivers for laptops. > The computer I am installing this on is a laptop. Nor does SuSE provide a > means to configure a scanner. I have a small scanner catridge that fits into > a Cannon portable BJC-85 printer. To me though the major problem with SuSE is > that I just don't trust them and this goes back to the 5.3 days when I spent > 6 months trying to install a modem under SuSE finally switching to RH and > accomplishing the configuration in 15 minutes. Every time I would configure > SuSe they had some program that would immediately change my configuration > back to their settings which brings me back to Win modems.. > > Then there is the RH 8.0 distribution that I originally purchased to installed > on the laptop which has some sort of weird new interface known only to RH. I > won't express any more of my negative feelings toward this distribution on > this list. I have pretty well been drained on that score on sever other lists > but suffice it to say my best comment on this was that "RH did a hatchet job > on Gnome combined with complete distruction of KDE". Major point here is that > I feel violated for purchasing such trash. > > There are several points to this rambling with all three of these > distributions playing a far distant second fiddle to RH 7.2 and Mandrake of > the same ventage. I recall I tried one of Paul's free Mandrake distributions > and liked it as well as RH 7.2 but not having a full box set I stayed with > RH. Some are going to question the RH 7.2 over RH 7.3 but realize here that I > am not speaking of the individual programs but the distribution and its > stability. The programs can be upgraded by download. RH 7.3 is far too > unstable for me. For one thing modem connections freeze up for no apparent > reason. Kppp was stable in RH 7.2 but it is not in RH 7.3. This should have > been a tip off to the problems with RH 8.0 and KDE since I use Kppp for the > modem. > > As for attempting to install linux on the laptop. I quite well. I have color > visual screen which to most people would look quite acceptable but here > another problem enters I am color blind - nothing severe - I just can not > tell the difference in paster brown, pastel green, and pastel gray. Well you > can imagine what colors the screen of all three of the latest (RH, SuSE, and > Mandrake) screen appears in. To me it looks like shit when I am being polite. > I can not speak for SuSE but this problem did not exist in the older RH or > Mandrake. > > If the screen was all of my discust with these three then the problem would be > one thing but that in reality only masks the real problems. I can not find > Kppp. nor usermount, not midnight commander just to name a few minor things > that have been left out. The distributions have been gutted of many highly > relevant programs. Folks they just are not there. > > As far as I am concerned the only folks that would appreciate RH 8.0, SuSE > 8.1, and Mandrake 8.2 are folks who think that MS Windows XP is the greatest > thing since man has invented. These distributions have been dumbed down, > stupified, and ioditic to such an extent that I sincerely hope that there is > no one on this list with the exception of the newest of newbies who would > appreciate them. > > The problem is that I find this sad as I know that I am not currently up to > Debian but that is beginning to look like the only distribution that has not > been complified idiotified. > > As far as my current laptop the situation is exactly what one of my old > professor friends at USF ask me when I was demonstrating my dual boot Windows > / Linus laptop to him. What does Linux here (on the laptop) bring to the > picture besides a lot of un-necessary problems? > > Frankly I have no answer to this question as I am highly considering taking > that trash off my laptop. > > Boy, if only I could figure out how to put RH 7.2 on it. > > Frank > > -- Vince Meiste From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 17 07:29:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA32053 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:29:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA32050 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:29:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20978 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:29:28 -0500 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAHCSvkY019042 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:28:57 -0500 Received: from dialup-63.208.205.216.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([63.208.205.216] helo=localhost.localdomain) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18DOXi-0002sW-00; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:28:51 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net, Logan Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distributions Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:32:41 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> <200211162125.03961.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <1037515797.27032.6.camel@sirus> In-Reply-To: <1037515797.27032.6.camel@sirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211170732.41414.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Sorry no question. Simply frustration in accomplishing a dream only to find out that what was achieved was not what was desired. The point with the scanner was not the scanner but that there were additional devices besides those that the distributions were automatically configuring that were impossible to configure for any one but a guru's guru because of automatic figuration correction programs. Frank > > What exactly is your question?!!? > I run Debian on my Dell Inspiron 4000 and everything works. I used to > run SuSE 7.2 on it before and everything worked also. > > Scanners are run with sane. It has nothing to do with a distro. > Explore: > www.mostang.com/sane/ for further elucidation. > > Again, I do not understand your question. Or possibly, Sam Adams has > totally invaded my brain this Saturday evening. > > Logan From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 17 08:21:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA32594 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 08:21:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA32591 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 08:21:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21457 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 08:21:44 -0500 Received: from ns3.webmasters.com (ns3.webmasters.com [66.118.156.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAHDLCkY022375 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 08:21:18 -0500 Received: (qmail 11213 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2002 13:22:54 -0000 Received: from 6532163hfc227.tampabay.rr.com (HELO ?192.168.1.60?) (65.32.163.227) by 66.118.156.142 with SMTP; 17 Nov 2002 13:22:54 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distributions From: Andrew Wyatt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211162125.03961.sotl155360@earthlink.net> References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> <1037384041.3dd5396980cc2@campus.rsad.edu> <1037391941.3dd55845c0e02@mail.serviceweb.net> <200211162125.03961.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1037538568.14511.1.camel@lattitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 17 Nov 2002 08:09:29 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug "I feel violated for purchasing such trash." HAHAHAHAHAHA! That's pretty funny. Maybe it's just me, but I couldn't be happier than I have been with RH8. ;-) From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 17 10:27:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA01341 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:27:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA01338 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:27:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22602 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:27:29 -0500 Received: from mac.local ([24.92.197.134]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAHFR9kY030326 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:27:09 -0500 Received: from nethouse.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mac.local (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAHFR1AA000414 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:27:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:27:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: [SLUG] Boot Drive From: btt To: slug@nks.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <04C82C49-FA41-11D6-B8BF-003065907602@nethouse.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hello. I have inside my machine two hard drives. One is Gentoo and one is Windows ME. /dev/hda is the gentoo, ata primary /dev/hdb is the window, ata secondary as i understand the man lilo.conf page, in order to have lilo boot the windows drive, i need something like this: other=/dev/hdb label=win and that should do it. But it doesn't do it. When I select the win option in lilo, it just acts as if lilo re-loads (ie, the countdown restarts, etc.). I remember using this method to dual boot linux and freebsd in the same manner, but with windows it obviously doesn't work. Any help would be greatly appreciated. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 17 11:28:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA01964 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:28:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA01961 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:28:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23171 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:28:29 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAHGRfkY001692 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:27:41 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (6535180hfc97.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.180.97]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAHGRZ1c027119 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:27:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DD7C535.1080607@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 11:35:01 -0500 From: jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Boot Drive References: <04C82C49-FA41-11D6-B8BF-003065907602@nethouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug btt wrote: > Hello. > > I have inside my machine two hard drives. One is Gentoo and one is > Windows ME. > > /dev/hda is the gentoo, ata primary > /dev/hdb is the window, ata secondary > > as i understand the man lilo.conf page, in order to have lilo boot the > windows drive, i need something like this: > > other=/dev/hdb > label=win > > and that should do it. But it doesn't do it. When I select the win > option in lilo, it just acts as if lilo re-loads (ie, the countdown > restarts, etc.). I remember using this method to dual boot linux and > freebsd in the same manner, but with windows it obviously doesn't work. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > It has been a while since I have dual booted, and I may not remember this correctly, but shouldn't that read "other=/dev/hdb1" ? Jeff From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 17 16:09:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA04547 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:09:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA04544 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:09:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25628 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:09:11 -0500 Received: from bish.net (dsl-65-185-19-209.telocity.com [65.185.19.209]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAHL8WkY019318 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:08:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bish.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA25227 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:02:28 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:02:27 -0500 (EST) From: Mark To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Sarasota Meeting Canceled Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm in Los Angeles and will be out here for a few more days. Sarasota meeting canceled. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | | 813-253-2197 | Network Engineer | | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 17 16:40:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA04869 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:40:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA04866 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:40:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25886 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:40:00 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAHLdHkY021247 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:39:17 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (653281hfc95.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.81.95]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAHLdA1d002529 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:39:11 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DD7C535.1080607@tampabay.rr.com> References: <04C82C49-FA41-11D6-B8BF-003065907602@nethouse.com> <3DD7C535.1080607@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:39:09 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] Boot Drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yes, /dev/hdb1 is the correct syntax, not /dev/hdb . Remember, you're trying to tell LILO to boot from a specific partition, not the whole disk. I hope that makes sense. /mario >btt wrote: >>Hello. >> >>I have inside my machine two hard drives. One is Gentoo and one is >>Windows ME. >> >>/dev/hda is the gentoo, ata primary >>/dev/hdb is the window, ata secondary >> >>as i understand the man lilo.conf page, in order to have lilo boot >>the windows drive, i need something like this: >> >>other=/dev/hdb >> label=win >> >>and that should do it. But it doesn't do it. When I select the win >>option in lilo, it just acts as if lilo re-loads (ie, the countdown >>restarts, etc.). I remember using this method to dual boot linux >>and freebsd in the same manner, but with windows it obviously >>doesn't work. >> >>Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> > >It has been a while since I have dual booted, and I may not remember >this correctly, but shouldn't that read "other=/dev/hdb1" ? > > Jeff From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 17 17:02:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA05089 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:02:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA05082 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:02:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26087 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:02:50 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAHM1skY022658 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:01:55 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (653281hfc95.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.81.95]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAHM1lCC017467 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:01:47 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <04C82C49-FA41-11D6-B8BF-003065907602@nethouse.com> <3DD7C535.1080607@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:01:43 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: Re: [SLUG] Boot Drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Also, don't forget to log in as root and run LILO once you've made your changes. /mario >Yes, /dev/hdb1 is the correct syntax, not /dev/hdb . Remember, >you're trying to tell LILO to boot from a specific partition, not >the whole disk. I hope that makes sense. > >/mario > >>btt wrote: >>>Hello. >>> >>>I have inside my machine two hard drives. One is Gentoo and one is >>>Windows ME. >>> >>>/dev/hda is the gentoo, ata primary >>>/dev/hdb is the window, ata secondary >>> >>>as i understand the man lilo.conf page, in order to have lilo boot >>>the windows drive, i need something like this: >>> >>>other=/dev/hdb >>> label=win >>> >>>and that should do it. But it doesn't do it. When I select the win >>>option in lilo, it just acts as if lilo re-loads (ie, the >>>countdown restarts, etc.). I remember using this method to dual >>>boot linux and freebsd in the same manner, but with windows it >>>obviously doesn't work. >>> >>>Any help would be greatly appreciated. >>> >> >>It has been a while since I have dual booted, and I may not >>remember this correctly, but shouldn't that read "other=/dev/hdb1" ? >> >> Jeff From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 17 18:59:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA06283 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:59:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA06280 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:59:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27092 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:59:30 -0500 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAHNx1kY029914 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:59:02 -0500 Received: from dialup-65.59.84.214.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([65.59.84.214] helo=localhost.localdomain) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18DZJV-0002Fi-00; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:58:54 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net, Andrew Wyatt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distributions Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:02:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> <200211162125.03961.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <1037538568.14511.1.camel@lattitude> In-Reply-To: <1037538568.14511.1.camel@lattitude> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211171902.46361.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug So what and a whole lot of people prase MS windows. Point is the purchase was made on the assumption that RH 8.0 would be an upgrade to RH 7.3 not a downgrade. That is what I mean by being used. Frank On Sunday 17 November 2002 08:09, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > "I feel violated for purchasing such trash." > > > HAHAHAHAHAHA! That's pretty funny. Maybe it's just me, but I couldn't be > happier than I have been with RH8. ;-) From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 17 19:21:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA06497 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:21:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA06483 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:21:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27284 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:21:30 -0500 Received: from ns3.webmasters.com (ns3.webmasters.com [66.118.156.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAI0KHkY031240 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:20:17 -0500 Received: (qmail 13086 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2002 00:21:51 -0000 Received: from 6532163hfc227.tampabay.rr.com (HELO ?192.168.1.60?) (65.32.163.227) by 66.118.156.142 with SMTP; 18 Nov 2002 00:21:51 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distributions From: Andrew Wyatt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211171902.46361.sotl155360@earthlink.net> References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> <200211162125.03961.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <1037538568.14511.1.camel@lattitude> <200211171902.46361.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1037578027.16597.3.camel@lattitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 17 Nov 2002 19:07:07 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug "Point is the purchase was made on the assumption that RH 8.0 would be an upgrade to RH 7.3 not a downgrade." Yeah, I think this should be on the politics list. -Andrew On Sun, 2002-11-17 at 19:02, Frank Roberts - SOTL wrote: > So what and a whole lot of people prase MS windows. > > Point is the purchase was made on the assumption that RH 8.0 would be an > upgrade to RH 7.3 not a downgrade. > > That is what I mean by being used. > > Frank > > On Sunday 17 November 2002 08:09, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > > "I feel violated for purchasing such trash." > > > > > > HAHAHAHAHAHA! That's pretty funny. Maybe it's just me, but I couldn't be > > happier than I have been with RH8. ;-) -- Andrew Wyatt From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 17 21:31:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA08166 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:31:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA08159 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:31:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28603 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:31:50 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAI2UlkY007240 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:30:47 -0500 Received: (qmail 34144 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2002 02:30:31 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 2002 02:30:31 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18DbgL-0007d7-00; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:30:37 -0500 To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, linux-announce@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: From: "Paul M. Foster" Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:30:37 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** *** CANCELLED *** 20 November 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Wednesday of each month) Baker Electronics 8323 Lindbergh Court Sarasota, FL See http://www.bish.net/directions/ *** CANCELLED *** DUNEDIN ************************************************** 23 November 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library, 223 Douglas Ave., Community Room A. Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 5 December 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 7 December 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 11 December 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd Lakepointe I Building Tampa, FL 33607 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#tampa for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 18 December 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Wednesday of each month) Baker Electronics 8323 Lindbergh Court Sarasota, FL See http://www.bish.net/directions/ *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 07:36:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA14973 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:36:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA14957 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:36:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02515; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:36:11 -0500 Received: from mail.vasoftware.com (mail.vasoftware.com [198.186.202.175]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAICWMkY014232; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:32:22 -0500 Received: from [24.92.206.23] (helo=roblimo.com) by mail.vasoftware.com with asmtp (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 18Dl4a-0003lK-00 by VAauthid with fixed_plain; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 04:32:16 -0800 Message-ID: <3DD8DD8B.6000601@roblimo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:31:07 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net CC: slug-announce@nks.net, linux-announce@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > > >SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** > > *** CANCELLED *** > > 20 November 18:00-21:00 Sarasota > Once again, anyone who wants to have an informal gathering in lieu of the formal -- but cancelled -- meeting is welcome at my Bradenton home at the meeting time/date above. Perhaps, besides drinking beer (BYOB over 21; under 21 soda/juice) and snarfing snacks, we can look at OSCommerce (http://www.oscommerce.com/), a PHP-based GPL ecommerce package I'm considering using for a Web site my wife wants to make, and that looks like it might be handy for others who need to make catalog-type sites. I have a live server we can use for a trial install, even. Or if we're not in the mood for thet, we'll think of something. I have Mandrake 9.0 PowerPack and Xandros 1.0 CDs around if anyone wants to bring a laptop or whatever and try an install. Robin Miller 206 52nd Ave. W Bradenton FL 34207 cell 410-215-2894 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 07:57:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA15265 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:57:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA15257 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:57:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02780 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:57:31 -0500 Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAICuvkY015834 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:56:58 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net (pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.65.151]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.5 (built Sep 23 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5R00M3PVWTF5@mtaout01.icomcast.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:55:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:55:41 -0500 From: Logan Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings In-reply-to: <3DD8DD8B.6000601@roblimo.com> To: SLUG Message-id: <1037624141.21172.1.camel@sirus> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-Pa8zc9n0Bv/xW0B6hNk5"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 References: <3DD8DD8B.6000601@roblimo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-Pa8zc9n0Bv/xW0B6hNk5 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 07:31, Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > > > > > > > >SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** > > > > *** CANCELLED *** > > > > 20 November 18:00-21:00 Sarasota > > >=20 > Once again, anyone who wants to have an informal gathering in lieu of=20 > the formal -- but cancelled -- meeting is welcome at my Bradenton home=20 > at the meeting time/date above. Sounds good to me. Should we RSVP to this? I will finally be in town for a SLUG meeting. I was bummed the meeting was cancelled. Logan --=20 07:50:01 up 118 days, 24 min, 1 user, load average: 0.55, 0.45, 0.62 You have a strong appeal for members of the opposite sex. Registered Linux User 277727 ICQ 72101412 --=-Pa8zc9n0Bv/xW0B6hNk5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA92ONN3OecGqSbkyMRAgxBAKC+javaVys9WisWDyGj34Hq3O8j5ACdFWjx aiIgQO6uxcFJBD0Aa4/A7gc= =YRn/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Pa8zc9n0Bv/xW0B6hNk5-- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 08:02:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA15306 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:02:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA15303 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:02:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02825 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:02:01 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.92]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAID1EkY016166 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:01:14 -0500 Received: (qmail 3762 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2002 13:01:08 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 2002 13:01:08 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:01:07 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] JAVA not found Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:55:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c28f01$c4604d20$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: <1037307610.28955.63.camel@menix> Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug We run MarkVision for Linux on our IBM Infinity 5000 box and for that we need to have Java runtime installed. It runs just fine at present, but,,, I am trying to update the RH version to 8.0 on that box and need to test Markvision on my personal RH 8.0 install. To do that I need Java installed and that is my problem. Each time I run the MarkVision install it says that it cannot find Java VM. I have installed Java 1.3 and made sure the executable is in my path but still not luck. What is the VM in the Java VM?? Is that the problem? Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 08:24:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA15543 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:24:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA15540 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:24:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03058 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:24:53 -0500 Received: from ns3.webmasters.com (ns3.webmasters.com [66.118.156.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAIDNikY017594 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:23:45 -0500 Received: (qmail 26356 invoked by uid 48); 18 Nov 2002 13:25:42 -0000 Date: 18 Nov 2002 13:25:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20021118132542.26355.qmail@ns3.webmasters.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: Re: [SLUG] Linux distributions From: awyatt@fewt.com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: 4Mail by WEBMASTERS.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=be56ec011e47fb05e43efab991f45c843 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is a MIME encoded message. --be56ec011e47fb05e43efab991f45c843 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Sorry Andrew that you just don't get it." I don't get what? That you hate RedHat? That's OK, it's YOUR choice. I have little interest in polluting this list, but I'd be more than happy to discuss it on the politics list. FYI, I'm not going to respond further here. ;-) -Andrew --be56ec011e47fb05e43efab991f45c843-- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 08:43:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA15776 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:43:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA15773 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:43:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03246 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:43:32 -0500 Received: from bigcan2.rapidsys.com (tincan.rapidsys.com [209.84.253.13] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIDgckY018838 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:42:39 -0500 Received: by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:42:33 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([216.202.125.224]) by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id W0WP7YBK; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:42:28 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([192.168.0.5]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAICltg02501 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:47:55 -0500 From: Mike Manchester To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] changing password Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-6) Date: 18 Nov 2002 08:43:36 -0500 Message-Id: <1037627016.1746.8.camel@cpt> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does anyone know how to turn of the checking of a password based on a dictionary word in RedHat? When I try to change a password in Redhat I get the message that it's a bad password it's based on a dictionary word. This is only on one of my Redhat systems. The other systems let me change the password with out any problem. Thanks Mike M. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 09:24:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA16174 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:24:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA16171 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:24:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03650 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:24:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (6535152hfc226.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.152.226]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIENrkY021442 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:23:54 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIERLOZ025370 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:27:21 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIERKxo025368; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:27:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: david set sender to dmeyer07@tampabay.rr.com using -f Subject: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion From: David Meyer To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-an/aTXQ9irZlzNwOjTrR" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 18 Nov 2002 09:27:20 -0500 Message-Id: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-an/aTXQ9irZlzNwOjTrR Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good Morning All,=20 I certainly don't wish to fan the flames, but this discussion has made me believe all over again that the one thing that will keep Linux from getting where it needs to be in the desktop market is the fighting back and forth about distributions, etc. =20 Now I know that might not be totally accurate, but I am not the only one on this list who sees this as a problem as others have talked with me about this very thing.=20 So, to that end, I am curious to know what some of you out there think about this. More specifically, what is it that is keeping Linux from STRONGLY coming out on the desktop market? =20 We're 99% Microsoft free here (just converting some files now from one machine) throughout our house. One reason is this list. I have a replacement for virtually every MS program thanks to many of you.=20 Surely if we can do it (wife and kids included) others can to. So my question is what can we do to help people make the change? Just a thought... Dave =20 --=-an/aTXQ9irZlzNwOjTrR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUAPdj4yMGoSyMeqQX8AQJmmAQAklQZYxLo89OcrzJByTNO7mglIslU+RP4 SXn7DYlE0qnIuqMs3o0Ruu+p+hepOaKrvxkQgwdQ4pJ7uSlvp+TMggB9U+9+56L+ KieshCB6XVgE+peM+YbOCqhs7RIeCGO/k0piLBK/J71vGxxrq2TqMsrVy+rNpk9s FhF0fShrrCE= =PJ6p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-an/aTXQ9irZlzNwOjTrR-- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 09:25:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA16223 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:25:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA16220 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:25:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03666 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:25:32 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (6535152hfc226.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.152.226]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIEOpkY021510 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:24:51 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIESJOZ025391 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:28:19 -0500 Received: (from david@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIESJau025389; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:28:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: david set sender to dmeyer07@tampabay.rr.com using -f Subject: Re: [SLUG] changing password From: David Meyer To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1037627016.1746.8.camel@cpt> References: <1037627016.1746.8.camel@cpt> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-v1Fgl1ZDt8tnA9jKY03Q" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 18 Nov 2002 09:28:18 -0500 Message-Id: <1037629698.25321.6.camel@genoa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-v1Fgl1ZDt8tnA9jKY03Q Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Even though you are getting a "Bad Password" message, in RH8.0 your change will still take effect. Just ignore it. Dave On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 08:43, Mike Manchester wrote: > Does anyone know how to turn of the checking of a password based on a > dictionary word in RedHat? When I try to change a password in Redhat I > get the message that it's a bad password it's based on a dictionary > word. This is only on one of my Redhat systems. The other systems let me > change the password with out any problem. > Thanks > Mike M. >=20 >=20 >=20 --=-v1Fgl1ZDt8tnA9jKY03Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUAPdj5AsGoSyMeqQX8AQJ6QwQAljFFiaoKWPeOF+iPAuT7aUvBSaDzu0wm MaOforDQ3K+uyUuqnMbv9RvFYkTPLgN0KL1tye7bIrzYXoYn6BvMWnfYkTi0DAYv ZzvUjb11CyrXNrIaptrnMszasV41yhesdrBkShQeta/WsprwwvIkvnSTDBv8yO7T vcMBfCPyjyY= =8b2M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-v1Fgl1ZDt8tnA9jKY03Q-- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 09:57:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA16672 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:57:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA16664 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:57:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04051 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:57:12 -0500 Received: from mail.vasoftware.com (mail.vasoftware.com [198.186.202.175]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIEuWkY023625 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:56:32 -0500 Received: from [24.92.206.23] (helo=roblimo.com) by mail.vasoftware.com with asmtp (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 18DnK7-0004su-00 by VAauthid with fixed_plain for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:56:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3DD8FF54.1060208@roblimo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:55:16 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings References: <3DD8DD8B.6000601@roblimo.com> <1037624141.21172.1.camel@sirus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > >>Once again, anyone who wants to have an informal gathering in lieu of >>the formal -- but cancelled -- meeting is welcome at my Bradenton home >>at the meeting time/date above. >> >> > >Sounds good to me. Should we RSVP to this? I will finally be in town >for a SLUG meeting. I was bummed the meeting was cancelled. > Seems to me you just did. Last time we had a non-meeting at my place, 5 or 6 people showed up and we just had a general chat and hung out. No structure. I was thinking of looking at OSCommerce this time because a lot of people around here are trying to make a living with Linux/Open Source, and I've been evaluating content management systems and storefront/catalog type software anyway, so maybe we can all help each other. I assure you, this is a *ripe* area for Web development (mostly very simple brochureware) because such a tiny percentage of local businesses are online, and from what I've seen in Bradenton/Sarasota, the market is dominated by a few overpriced FrontPage shops that could easily be knocked off. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 10:15:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA16927 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:15:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA16924 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:15:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04296 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:15:02 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAIFEQkY024891 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:14:26 -0500 Received: (qmail 7700 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2002 15:14:20 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 2002 15:14:20 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:14:19 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:08:42 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c28f14$627e7dd0$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug It is my opinion that the lack of support in the business marketplace for the desktop is three fold: First the lack of applications that support the business community has in the past been a big sucking sound that no one wanted to hear,,, that is changing drastically from day to day and eventually the number of supported applications will be sufficient to support the demand. Second, business executives and other potential desktop customers look back at the Unix environment and remember how it fractured and that no one really had a market share that commanded respect. As long as there are people out there who want to argue one distro against another we are going to have to deal with this reality. Thirdly, The very nature of the open source community as free, is it owns worst enemy. We need applications and distros the we know will be here in 90 days and will be supported not by an invisible cadre of geeks working around the world( how do I get in touch with someone I cannot see or talk to?) but rather we need flesh and blood at a desk somewhere and a help desk to go along with that. If we have to pay, then we will pay for the convenience. How do you do that and maintain the freedom that we have enjoyed in the Linux community? By supporting companies like RedHat who have made a significant contribution and investment in the marketplace. It is that commitment that is earning them recognition and respect and there are even people to call for help( and you pay for it.) How many of you have paid for the last distro you have running on your computer?? I bet not many of you. These companies take the dreaded word 'Money' to continue and if you do not support them financially that can never happen. As far as I am concerned, RedHat has the edge in the market place and will continue to do so and I think that we should stop ragging on them and recognize their contribution and support their efforts. We cannot have a fractured Linux desktop development and dozens of distros and expect to compete with MS$,, who I want so much to see eat dirt!! Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of David Meyer Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:27 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion Good Morning All, I certainly don't wish to fan the flames, but this discussion has made me believe all over again that the one thing that will keep Linux from getting where it needs to be in the desktop market is the fighting back and forth about distributions, etc. Now I know that might not be totally accurate, but I am not the only one on this list who sees this as a problem as others have talked with me about this very thing. So, to that end, I am curious to know what some of you out there think about this. More specifically, what is it that is keeping Linux from STRONGLY coming out on the desktop market? We're 99% Microsoft free here (just converting some files now from one machine) throughout our house. One reason is this list. I have a replacement for virtually every MS program thanks to many of you. Surely if we can do it (wife and kids included) others can to. So my question is what can we do to help people make the change? Just a thought... Dave From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 10:32:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA17120 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:32:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA17117 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:32:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04512 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:32:12 -0500 Received: from tlh601.lfrg-tlh (x.electronet.net [216.173.169.162] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIFUvkY026034 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:30:58 -0500 Received: from [10.10.12.101] (10.10.12.101 [10.10.12.101]) by tlh601.lfrg-tlh with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id 41PBXCAT; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:20:49 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] Can't print from xpdf - can print from other apps - how to resolve xpdf problem?? From: John Clay To: South- Florida Linux Users Group Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 18 Nov 2002 10:30:50 -0500 Message-Id: <1037633454.8712.94.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm able to print just fine from OOo, StarOffice and other apps but not xpdf. I also can't find a print configuration tool to tell xpdf to print to any particular printer. Any ideas as to the remedy?? Thanks John Clay Tallahassee, FL From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 10:37:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA17188 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:37:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA17185 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:37:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04598 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:37:32 -0500 Received: from bish.net (dsl-65-185-19-209.telocity.com [65.185.19.209]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIFZLkY026342 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:35:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bish.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA28207 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:29:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:29:14 -0500 (EST) From: Mark To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings In-Reply-To: <1037624141.21172.1.camel@sirus> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I was bummed I wasn't in town. They handed me a plane ticket on Friday at 3:30 and said your flight leaves at 7:30 from Tampa, you might want to get home and pack, and BTW, you will be gone for seven days. When I woke up on Friday I wasn't expecting I'd be waking up on Sat in L.A. On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Logan wrote: > On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 07:31, Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** > > > > > > *** CANCELLED *** > > > > > > 20 November 18:00-21:00 Sarasota > > > > > > > Once again, anyone who wants to have an informal gathering in lieu of > > the formal -- but cancelled -- meeting is welcome at my Bradenton home > > at the meeting time/date above. > > Sounds good to me. Should we RSVP to this? I will finally be in town > for a SLUG meeting. I was bummed the meeting was cancelled. > > Logan > -- > 07:50:01 up 118 days, 24 min, 1 user, load average: 0.55, 0.45, 0.62 > You have a strong appeal for members of the opposite sex. > Registered Linux User 277727 ICQ 72101412 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) | Computer Engineer | | 813-253-2197 | Network Engineer | | http://bish.net | Embedded Programmer | From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 10:44:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA17245 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:44:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA17242 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:44:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04678 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:44:02 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAIFh7kY026878 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:43:07 -0500 Received: (qmail 25556 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2002 15:43:02 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 2002 15:43:02 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:43:01 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] RPM question Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:37:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c28f18$64ba4030$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1037629698.25321.6.camel@genoa> X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have kernel-smp-2.4.9-31.i586.rpm from redhat. I need to recompile the kernel to include extended memory above 4GB. Do I need to download the kernel-source-2.4.9-31.i586.rpm to do this? Is the smp kernel just a recompiled kernel with the smp flag set? And isn't that something I can do myself from the source? Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 10:48:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA17299 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:48:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA17296 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:48:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04729 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:48:12 -0500 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIFlgkY027175 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:47:43 -0500 Received: from user-0cal2bd.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.137.109] helo=earthlink.net) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Do7d-0007F9-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:47:37 -0800 Message-ID: <3DD90C01.40206@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:49:21 -0500 From: Paul Swider User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en,bg MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings References: <3DD8DD8B.6000601@roblimo.com> <1037624141.21172.1.camel@sirus> <3DD8FF54.1060208@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This sounds very interesting but I can't make it to Bradenton. Any chance this could be a topic for the inaugural St. Pete meeting? Or is there already and agenda? -- Paul Swider Cell 727.776.9979 eFax 208.248.1869 http://www.swider.net/Paul-Swider-resume.html http://www.greenstar.org/pswider.htm Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: >> >> >>> Once again, anyone who wants to have an informal gathering in lieu >>> of the formal -- but cancelled -- meeting is welcome at my Bradenton >>> home at the meeting time/date above. >>> >> >> Sounds good to me. Should we RSVP to this? I will finally be in town >> for a SLUG meeting. I was bummed the meeting was cancelled. >> > > Seems to me you just did. Last time we had a non-meeting at my place, > 5 or 6 people showed up and we just had a general chat and hung out. > No structure. I was thinking of looking at OSCommerce this time > because a lot of people around here are trying to make a living with > Linux/Open Source, and I've been evaluating content management systems > and storefront/catalog type software anyway, so maybe we can all help > each other. > > I assure you, this is a *ripe* area for Web development (mostly very > simple brochureware) because such a tiny percentage of local > businesses are online, and from what I've seen in Bradenton/Sarasota, > the market is dominated by a few overpriced FrontPage shops that could > easily be knocked off. > > - Robin > > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 11:13:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA17543 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:13:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17540 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:13:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05039 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:13:52 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (6535141hfc242.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.141.242]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIGDIkY028902 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:13:19 -0500 Received: from bloodhound.slyip.com (Bloodhound [127.0.0.1]) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gAIHKWb7019105 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:20:32 -0500 From: Diego Henao Received: (from apache@localhost) by bloodhound.slyip.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gAIHKWtF019103; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:20:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bloodhound.slyip.com: apache set sender to webmaster@bloodhound.slyip.com using -f Received: from 199.222.4.138 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster) by _default_ with HTTP; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:20:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <55472.199.222.4.138.1037640031.squirrel@_default_> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:20:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distributions To: In-Reply-To: <200211162125.03961.sotl155360@earthlink.net> References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> <1037384041.3dd5396980cc2@campus.rsad.edu> <1037391941.3dd55845c0e02@mail.serviceweb.net> <200211162125.03961.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug With all my respect. I think you are talking like one of those newbies you made mention of. I think you are supposed to know that using Linux is not like Windows. I hope everything in my linux will work perfectly since I install it on my computer, but that's not the reality. I have been using linux for 5 years, and I am very impressed with the development they have made on Linux (Each time I need to read less to make things work). About RH 8.0, I have my server and my personal computer with RH 8.0. I have not exprienced any problem with that (stability). I think you are just talking about your personal problems and your evaluation is really really superficial and personal. You just cannot generalize how a distribution is for having problems with a peripherical or with a bootloader. I hope you will read more and then speak because these comments are meaningless. I desire to read this emails with support details and with a better resource and opinion about what a distribution is. Regards Diego > Hi All: > > The title of this message was Linux distributions. Based on that and my > current feelings I could not resist in responding. > > Last Wednesday at the Tampa meeting one of the strong grues help me with > installing linux on my laptop. I did not want to loose the Windows > setup and wanted this as a dual boot machine. my fear of the then > current set up. More on this latter. As I am poor with names and very > good with electrical drawings I can not name the person but I do wish > to express my sincere thanks for the help I received in learning to > split a hard drive. > > Anyway back to the Linux techie evaluation. > But! Before I continue there are a number of people who are going to > violently disagree this of this evaluation of RH, SuSE, and Mandrake. > Sorry folks this is my evaluation and my opinion. If you have a > different one that is your right but this is my evaluation. > > The first distribution that was installed was Mandrake 8.2. Now, > Mandrake Professional is very fine distribution. I had tried it on my > desktop test CD and found it to be advanced version to the older RH 7.3 > but as you should have with a peripherical or with a bootloader. I hope you will read more and then speak because these comments are meaningless. I desire to read this emails with support details and with a better resource and opinion about what a distribution is. Regards Diego > Hi All: > > The title of this message was Linux distributions. Based on that and my > current feelings I could not resist in responding. > > Last Wednesday at the Tampa meeting one of the strong grues help me with > installing linux on my laptop. I did not want to loose the Windows > setup and wanted this as a dual boot machine. my fear of the then > current set up. More on this latter. As I am poor with names and very > good with electrical drawings I can not name the person but I do wish > to express my sincere thanks for the help I received in learning to > split a hard drive. > > Anyway back to the Linux techie evaluation. > But! Before I continue there are a number of people who are going to > violently disagree this of this evaluation of RH, SuSE, and Mandrake. > Sorry folks this is my evaluation and my opinion. If you have a > different one that is your right but this is my evaluation. > > The first distribution that was installed was Mandrake 8.2. Now, > Mandrake Professional is very fine distribution. I had tried it on my > desktop test CD and found it to be advanced version to the older RH 7.3 > but as you should have guessed by now there were a few problems. One of > which is the disk installs and runs fine but it sure messes up the > Windows boot loader. Well maybe it does; not sure here as I only > installed it 5 times. The results were I could get Windows to boot or > Mandrake to boot but not both. There could be a way to make this work; > not sure but if there is it is not immediate obvious. > > Anyway I had a copy of SuSE 8.1 Personal. Now SuSE always install > perfectly and almost everything always does seem to work. It is the > parts that does not work that bother me. First, I have no idea of how > to make a win modem work in SuSE. Yes, I know there are several > organizations devoted to winmodems and drivers are which readely > available but SuSE for all its other glories and leading edge programs > apparently does not include those with the > distribution. I find this strange as they have the IBM drivers for > laptops. The computer I am installing this on is a laptop. Nor does > SuSE provide a means to configure a scanner. I have a small scanner > catridge that fits into a Cannon portable BJC-85 printer. To me though > the major problem with SuSE is that I just don't trust them and this > goes back to the 5.3 days when I spent 6 months trying to install a > modem under SuSE finally switching to RH and accomplishing the > configuration in 15 minutes. Every time I would configure SuSe they had > some pguessed by now there were a few problems. One of > which is the disk installs and runs fine but it sure messes up the > Windows boot loader. Well maybe it does; not sure here as I only > installed it 5 times. The results were I could get Windows to boot or > Mandrake to boot but not both. There could be a way to make this work; > not sure but if there is it is not immediate obvious. > > Anyway I had a copy of SuSE 8.1 Personal. Now SuSE always install > perfectly and almost everything always does seem to work. It is the > parts that does not work that bother me. First, I have no idea of how > to make a win modem work in SuSE. Yes, I know there are several > organizations devoted to winmodems and drivers are which readely > available but SuSE for all its other glories and leading edge programs > apparently does not include those with the > distribution. I find this strange as they have the IBM drivers for > laptops. The computer I am installing this on is a laptop. Nor does > SuSE provide a means to configure a scanner. I have a small scanner > catridge that fits into a Cannon portable BJC-85 printer. To me though > the major problem with SuSE is that I just don't trust them and this > goes back to the 5.3 days when I spent 6 months trying to install a > modem under SuSE finally switching to RH and accomplishing the > configuration in 15 minutes. Every time I would configure SuSe they had > some program that would immediately change my configuration back to > their settings which brings me back to Win modems.. > > Then there is the RH 8.0 distribution that I originally purchased to > installed on the laptop which has some sort of weird new interface > known only to RH. I won't express any more of my negative feelings > toward this distribution on this list. I have pretty well been drained > on that score on sever other lists but suffice it to say my best > comment on this was that "RH did a hatchet job on Gnome combined with > complete distruction of KDE". Major point here is that I feel violated > for purchasing such trash. > > There are several points to this rambling with all three of these > distributions playing a far distant second fiddle to RH 7.2 and Mandrake > of the same ventage. I recall I tried one of Paul's free Mandrake > distributions and liked it as well as RH 7.2 but not having a full box > set I stayed with RH. Some are going to question the RH 7.2 over RH 7.3 > but realize here that I am not speaking of the individual programs but > the distribution and its stability. The programs can be upgraded by > download. RH 7.3 is far too unstable for me. For one thing modem > connections freeze up for no apparent reason. Kppp was stable in RH 7.2 > but it is not in RH 7.3. This should have been a tip off to the > problems with RH 8.0 and KDE since I use Kppp for the modem. > rogram that would immediately change my configuration back to > their settings which brings me back to Win modems.. > > Then there is the RH 8.0 distribution that I originally purchased to > installed on the laptop which has some sort of weird new interface > known only to RH. I won't express any more of my negative feelings > toward this distribution on this list. I have pretty well been drained > on that score on sever other lists but suffice it to say my best > comment on this was that "RH did a hatchet job on Gnome combined with > complete distruction of KDE". Major point here is that I feel violated > for purchasing such trash. > > There are several points to this rambling with all three of these > distributions playing a far distant second fiddle to RH 7.2 and Mandrake > of the same ventage. I recall I tried one of Paul's free Mandrake > distributions and liked it as well as RH 7.2 but not having a full box > set I stayed with RH. Some are going to question the RH 7.2 over RH 7.3 > but realize here that I am not speaking of the individual programs but > the distribution and its stability. The programs can be upgraded by > download. RH 7.3 is far too unstable for me. For one thing modem > connections freeze up for no apparent reason. Kppp was stable in RH 7.2 > but it is not in RH 7.3. This should have been a tip off to the > problems with RH 8.0 and KDE since I use Kppp for the modem. > > As for attempting to install linux on the laptop. I quite well. I have > color visual screen which to most people would look quite acceptable > but here another problem enters I am color blind - nothing severe - I > just can not tell the difference in paster brown, pastel green, and > pastel gray. Well you can imagine what colors the screen of all three > of the latest (RH, SuSE, and Mandrake) screen appears in. To me it > looks like shit when I am being polite. I can not speak for SuSE but > this problem did not exist in the older RH or Mandrake. > > If the screen was all of my discust with these three then the problem > would be one thing but that in reality only masks the real problems. I > can not find Kppp. nor usermount, not midnight commander just to name a > few minor things that have been left out. The distributions have been > gutted of many highly relevant programs. Folks they just are not there. > > As far as I am concerned the only folks that would appreciate RH 8.0, > SuSE 8.1, and Mandrake 8.2 are folks who think that MS Windows XP is > the greatest thing since man has invented. These distributions have > been dumbed down, stupified, and ioditic to such an extent that I > sincerely hope that there is no one on this list with the exception of > the newest of newbies who would appreciate them. > > The problem is that I find this sad as I know that I am not currently up > to De > As for attempting to install linux on the laptop. I quite well. I have > color visual screen which to most people would look quite acceptable > but here another problem enters I am color blind - nothing severe - I > just can not tell the difference in paster brown, pastel green, and > pastel gray. Well you can imagine what colors the screen of all three > of the latest (RH, SuSE, and Mandrake) screen appears in. To me it > looks like shit when I am being polite. I can not speak for SuSE but > this problem did not exist in the older RH or Mandrake. > > If the screen was all of my discust with these three then the problem > would be one thing but that in reality only masks the real problems. I > can not find Kppp. nor usermount, not midnight commander just to name a > few minor things that have been left out. The distributions have been > gutted of many highly relevant programs. Folks they just are not there. > > As far as I am concerned the only folks that would appreciate RH 8.0, > SuSE 8.1, and Mandrake 8.2 are folks who think that MS Windows XP is > the greatest thing since man has invented. These distributions have > been dumbed down, stupified, and ioditic to such an extent that I > sincerely hope that there is no one on this list with the exception of > the newest of newbies who would appreciate them. > > The problem is that I find this sad as I know that I am not currently up > to Debian but that is beginning to look like the only distribution that > has not been complified idiotified. > > As far as my current laptop the situation is exactly what one of my old > professor friends at USF ask me when I was demonstrating my dual boot > Windows / Linus laptop to him. What does Linux here (on the laptop) > bring to the picture besides a lot of un-necessary problems? > > Frankly I have no answer to this question as I am highly considering > taking that trash off my laptop. > > Boy, if only I could figure out how to put RH 7.2 on it. > > Frank From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 11:17:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA17602 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:17:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17596 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:17:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05085 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:17:42 -0500 Received: from mac.local ([24.92.197.134]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIGGokY029121 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:16:50 -0500 Received: from nethouse.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mac.local (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAIGGkAA000658 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:16:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:16:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Boot Drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: btt To: slug@nks.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <228BBCCA-FB11-11D6-B20A-003065907602@nethouse.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 04:39 PM, Mario Lombardo wrote: > Yes, /dev/hdb1 is the correct syntax, not /dev/hdb . Remember, you're > trying to tell LILO to boot from a specific partition, not the whole > disk. I hope that makes sense. Yes... that makes sense. I tried that and lilo gives the Loading win... message then stops. It doesn't freeze as I can't reboot with the three finger salute. It isn't that big of a deal; I've been switching in the bios for now and don't really spend that much time in windows anyway, but it'd be nice to know what's going on. Thanks.. >> btt wrote: >>> Hello. >>> >>> I have inside my machine two hard drives. One is Gentoo and one is >>> Windows ME. >>> >>> as i understand the man lilo.conf page, in order to have lilo boot >>> the windows drive, i need something like this: >>> >>> other=/dev/hdb >>> label=win >>> >>> and that should do it. But it doesn't do it. When I select the win >>> option in lilo, it just acts as if lilo re-loads (ie, the countdown >>> restarts, etc.). I remember using this method to dual boot linux and >>> freebsd in the same manner, but with windows it obviously doesn't >>> work. >>> >> >> It has been a while since I have dual booted, and I may not remember >> this correctly, but shouldn't that read "other=/dev/hdb1" ? >> >> Jeff > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 11:20:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA17628 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:20:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17619 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:20:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05105 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:20:02 -0500 Received: from usushntex51.unistudios.com (outmail.unistudios.com [192.251.67.111]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIGIpkY029256 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:18:52 -0500 Received: from usintex11lax.unistudios.com (usintex11lax.udh.unistudios.com [167.167.130.41]) by usushntex51.unistudios.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id XDDVQ6AG; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:16:52 -0800 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by usintex11lax.unistudios.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:18:45 -0800 Received: by usintex11lax.udh.unistudios.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:18:45 -0800 Message-ID: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A84@usush2kex03> From: "Quesada, Oscar" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:18:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does any of you know a similar group here in the west coast besides the Universities..? Oscar R. Quesada UMG-IT Systems/Network Support Vivendi Universal 818-777-5701 -----Original Message----- From: Paul M. Foster [mailto:paulf@quillandmouse.com] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 6:31 PM To: slug@nks.net; slug-announce@nks.net; linux-announce@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** *** CANCELLED *** 20 November 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Wednesday of each month) Baker Electronics 8323 Lindbergh Court Sarasota, FL See http://www.bish.net/directions/ *** CANCELLED *** DUNEDIN ************************************************** 23 November 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library, 223 Douglas Ave., Community Room A. Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 5 December 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 7 December 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 11 December 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd Lakepointe I Building Tampa, FL 33607 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#tampa for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 18 December 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Wednesday of each month) Baker Electronics 8323 Lindbergh Court Sarasota, FL See http://www.bish.net/directions/ *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 11:27:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA17738 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:27:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17735 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:27:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05229 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:27:12 -0500 Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIGQ9kY029888 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:26:09 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.99.219]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021118162603.DRHQ12845.out002.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:26:03 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] JAVA not found Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:29:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <000201c28f01$c4604d20$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> In-Reply-To: <000201c28f01$c4604d20$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211181129.33042.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out002.verizon.net from [4.47.99.219] at Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:26:03 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 18 November 2002 07:55, you wrote: > We run MarkVision for Linux on our IBM Infinity 5000 box and for that we > need to have Java runtime installed. It runs just fine at present, > but,,, > > I am trying to update the RH version to 8.0 on that box and need to test > Markvision on my personal RH 8.0 install. To do that I need Java > installed and that is my problem. Each time I run the MarkVision > install it says that it cannot find Java VM. I have installed Java 1.3 > and made sure the executable is in my path but still not luck. What is > the VM in the Java VM?? Is that the problem? Find out what version of java it needs then find out where it looks for java. All you should need is a proper jre in the proper location. Smitty > > Michael C. Rock > Systems Analyst > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 11:48:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA17936 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:48:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17921 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:48:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05478 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:48:22 -0500 Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIGkpkY031300 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:46:51 -0500 Received: from 1cust162.tnt2.delaware.oh.da.uu.net ([65.238.73.162] helo=newross.rossberry.private) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Dp2o-00027e-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:46:43 -0800 Received: from localhost (jawildman@localhost) by newross.rossberry.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAIGkbO11444 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:46:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:46:36 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Wildman To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion In-Reply-To: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug It depends what strata of business you are talking about. Let me divide the business strata into 4 pieces 1) <50 desktops administered by the local 'computer person'. The one who knows the most. 2) 50-200 desktops with maybe a local professional, otherwise using hired gun or contract support a) with heavy ties to the MS infrastructure (VB, asp, AD, vertical apps, etc) b) without heavy ties to the MS infrastructure 3) The large corporate desktop (200-50,000 users) Type 1 is already starting to move. The availability of web interfaces for many applications is helping here. The holdup is the number of people (computer persons) who are familiar with Linux. With the aging of our first generation of high school/casual users, this problem will be 'grown out of'. Type 2a will happen as companies begin to see the true cost of the MS addiction. If you've ever tried to scale Active Directory or Exchange across a geographically dispersed company you know what I mean. The *nix alternative can be orders of magnitude cheaper with less security implications. Some companies are beginning to see this. For instance, if you deploy Active Directory today, you are facing 2 (at least) major infrastructure upgrades in the next 2-3 years. One from the current AD to the next version, then from that one to .Net/AD, which will not be the same version at all. Not a good thing to do with your authentication infrastructure. Type 2b is already happening, too. There is a growing group of professional support consultancies that can make the arguement for moving your corporate desktop to Linux (Russ Herrold and Owlriver being an example). For organizations who have little tie in to custom apps, or who are looking to replace legacy or proprietary applications (ie, dbase accounting, home grown infrastructures, etc) the financial and support arguements are beginning to be very obvious. Microsoft is our biggest ally here, since they are forcing people to throw away or upgrade working systems (ie, 9x desktops). In some very important niche markets, the EULA is going to bite them big time because of the Federal privacy regs. (ie HIPPA in the medical space, GLBA in the financial space.) I cannot agree to a EULA that allows my vendor to access my data when I am responsible (meaning stripes and bars if I dont' do it) for maintaining the privacy of data. Type 3 is dependent on some of the same things, plus 'enterprise' level support. Right now, only RedHat (and maybe IBM) provides 24x7x365 level 1,2,3 support contracts, and really only for servers at that. As the early adopters in a vertical market (say Amazon) get publicity for how much they are saving using open source tools, the other companies will have to participate in the arms race. I think it will become increasingly difficult to maintain the arguement of 'soft savings' from using MS products (ie, they make my programmers more productive) in the face of hard dollar savings (fewer, smaller servers with less downtime and lower license/maintenance fees). Sun is already pushing this. Did you catch the 2 ads in this week's eWeek about 'self maintaining' computers? Full page. The tight economy and capitalistic market forces will push this market, but it will be another year or two. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP jim@rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com On 18 Nov 2002, David Meyer wrote: > Good Morning All, > > I certainly don't wish to fan the flames, but this discussion has made > me believe all over again that the one thing that will keep Linux from > getting where it needs to be in the desktop market is the fighting back > and forth about distributions, etc. > > Now I know that might not be totally accurate, but I am not the only one > on this list who sees this as a problem as others have talked with me > about this very thing. > > So, to that end, I am curious to know what some of you out there think > about this. More specifically, what is it that is keeping Linux from > STRONGLY coming out on the desktop market? > > We're 99% Microsoft free here (just converting some files now from one > machine) throughout our house. One reason is this list. I have a > replacement for virtually every MS program thanks to many of you. > Surely if we can do it (wife and kids included) others can to. So my > question is what can we do to help people make the change? > > Just a thought... > > Dave > > > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 11:48:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA17934 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:48:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17924 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:48:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05482 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:48:22 -0500 Received: from pop018.verizon.net (pop018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.212]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIGlBkY031325 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:47:11 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.99.219]) by pop018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021118164705.EVQJ1896.pop018.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:47:05 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Can't print from xpdf - can print from other apps - how to resolve xpdf problem?? Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:50:34 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <1037633454.8712.94.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1037633454.8712.94.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211181150.34802.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop018.verizon.net from [4.47.99.219] at Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:47:04 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 18 November 2002 10:30, you wrote: > I'm able to print just fine from OOo, StarOffice and other apps but not > xpdf. I also can't find a print configuration tool to tell xpdf to print > to any particular printer. Any ideas as to the remedy?? I have the same problem. I think all you need to do is uncomment the relevant lines in /etc/xpdfrc to get it to print, which would be postscript and text output. Have not needed to print with it yet so have not done it. Smitty > > Thanks > John Clay > Tallahassee, FL From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 11:48:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA17937 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:48:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17922 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:48:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05480 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:48:22 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIGkukY031309 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:46:57 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA02703 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:45:57 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c28f21$09395440$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: <3DD8DD8B.6000601@roblimo.com> <1037624141.21172.1.camel@sirus> <3DD8FF54.1060208@roblimo.com> <3DD90C01.40206@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:39:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug No real agenda for the St. Pete. meeting If people who can't make it to the Bradenton informal gathering would like to discuss this or possibly someone who is going to the Bradenton gathering would like to inform/provide/present the information at the St. Pete meeting, they would be more than welcome to do so. The only real thing I have planned is trying to provide a computer with a good amount of storage on it. I will populate it with the newest distro's ( that I have or other slug members can donate for part of the meeting to allow copy time ) and other good that I usaully get in the mail...mainly the Linux Format CD's. --- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Swider" To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings > This sounds very interesting but I can't make it to Bradenton. Any > chance this could be a topic for the inaugural St. Pete meeting? Or is > there already and agenda? > > -- > Paul Swider > Cell 727.776.9979 > eFax 208.248.1869 > http://www.swider.net/Paul-Swider-resume.html > http://www.greenstar.org/pswider.htm > > > > > > Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > > >> > >> > >>> Once again, anyone who wants to have an informal gathering in lieu > >>> of the formal -- but cancelled -- meeting is welcome at my Bradenton > >>> home at the meeting time/date above. > >>> > >> > >> Sounds good to me. Should we RSVP to this? I will finally be in town > >> for a SLUG meeting. I was bummed the meeting was cancelled. > >> > > > > Seems to me you just did. Last time we had a non-meeting at my place, > > 5 or 6 people showed up and we just had a general chat and hung out. > > No structure. I was thinking of looking at OSCommerce this time > > because a lot of people around here are trying to make a living with > > Linux/Open Source, and I've been evaluating content management systems > > and storefront/catalog type software anyway, so maybe we can all help > > each other. > > > > I assure you, this is a *ripe* area for Web development (mostly very > > simple brochureware) because such a tiny percentage of local > > businesses are online, and from what I've seen in Bradenton/Sarasota, > > the market is dominated by a few overpriced FrontPage shops that could > > easily be knocked off. > > > > - Robin > > > > > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 11:56:16 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA18022 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:56:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA18019 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:56:16 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05570; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:56:14 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA20019; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:56:14 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net, Mike Manchester Subject: Re: [SLUG] changing password Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:56:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <1037627016.1746.8.camel@cpt> In-Reply-To: <1037627016.1746.8.camel@cpt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211181156.13709.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id LAA18020 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 18 November 2002 08:43, Mike Manchester wrote: > Does anyone know how to turn of the checking of a password based on a > dictionary word in RedHat? When I try to change a password in Redhat I > get the message that it's a bad password it's based on a dictionary > word. This is only on one of my Redhat systems. The other systems let me > change the password with out any problem. > Thanks > Mike M. Change the password as root. $ su - root Password: # passwd mchester Password: Alternatively, edit your pam configuration: $ vi /etc/pam.d/passwd find the line with "pam_cracklib.so" and comment it out. You can also just run these two commands to do the same: # sed -e 's/^.*pam_cracklib.so/#&/' < /etc/pam.d/passwd > /tmp/passwd # cat /tmp/passwd > /etc/pam.d/passwd See if that doesn't let you change your password. -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 11:56:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA18041 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:56:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA18038 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:56:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05581 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:56:52 -0500 Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIGu4kY031877 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:56:04 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.99.219]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021118165558.EBGF12845.out002.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:55:58 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:59:28 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A84@usush2kex03> In-Reply-To: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A84@usush2kex03> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211181159.28540.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out002.verizon.net from [4.47.99.219] at Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:55:58 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 18 November 2002 11:18, you wrote: > Does any of you know a similar group here in the west coast besides the > Universities..? There is at least one lug in the la area, http://www.lula.org also try http://www.lalugs.org for general info. Smitty > > Oscar R. Quesada > UMG-IT Systems/Network Support > Vivendi Universal > 818-777-5701 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul M. Foster [mailto:paulf@quillandmouse.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 6:31 PM > To: slug@nks.net; slug-announce@nks.net; > linux-announce@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov > Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings > > > ************************************* > * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * > * Meeting Schedule * > ************************************* > > SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** > > *** CANCELLED *** > > 20 November 18:00-21:00 Sarasota > (third Wednesday of each month) > Baker Electronics > 8323 Lindbergh Court > Sarasota, FL > > See http://www.bish.net/directions/ > > *** CANCELLED *** > > DUNEDIN ************************************************** > > 23 November 10:00-12:00 Dunedin > (usually fourth Saturday of each month) > Dunedin Public Library, > 223 Douglas Ave., > Community Room A. > Dunedin, FL > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. > > BRANDON ************************************************** > > 5 December 20:00-22:00 Brandon > (first Thursday of each month) > Brandon Barnes & Noble > Brandon Town Center > Brandon, FL > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. > > NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** > > 7 December 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey > (first Saturday of each month) > New Port Richey Public Library > (second level meeting rooms) > 5939 Main St. > New Port Richey, FL > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. > > TAMPA **************************************************** > > 11 December 19:00-21:00 Tampa > (second Wednesday of each month) > PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 > 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd > Lakepointe I Building > Tampa, FL 33607 > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#tampa for directions. > > SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** > > 18 December 18:00-21:00 Sarasota > (third Wednesday of each month) > Baker Electronics > 8323 Lindbergh Court > Sarasota, FL > > See http://www.bish.net/directions/ > > *********************************************************** > > ACTIVITIES: > > Meetings include: > > 1) Presentation: As indicated. > > 2) Question & Answer Session. > > 3) Raffle and free stuff! > > Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! > (And don't forget to start your installs early!) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 11:58:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA18073 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:58:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA18070 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:58:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05615 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:58:52 -0500 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIGwGkY032042 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:58:17 -0500 Received: from 1cust162.tnt2.delaware.oh.da.uu.net ([65.238.73.162] helo=newross.rossberry.private) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18DpDt-0003xA-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:58:10 -0800 Received: from localhost (jawildman@localhost) by newross.rossberry.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAIGw2a11457 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:58:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:58:02 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Wildman To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RPM question In-Reply-To: <000401c28f18$64ba4030$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yes you need the .source. rpm for that. I'm not sure about the others. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP jim@rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Mikes work account wrote: > I have kernel-smp-2.4.9-31.i586.rpm from redhat. I need to recompile > the kernel to include extended memory above 4GB. Do I need to download > the kernel-source-2.4.9-31.i586.rpm to do this? Is the smp kernel just > a recompiled kernel with the smp flag set? And isn't that something I > can do myself from the source? > > Michael C. Rock > Systems Analyst > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 12:11:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA18240 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:11:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18232 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:11:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05763 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:11:52 -0500 Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIHB6kY000475 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:11:06 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18DpQG-0001zT-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:10:57 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18DpPm-00007u-00 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:10:26 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:10:24 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A84@usush2kex03> <200211181159.28540.a.smitty@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200211181159.28540.a.smitty@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e76198dd09ec7bd5522ac21dd8fe9731787350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hah! I'm glad I didn't answer this one. I was thinking 'West Coast (of Florida)' :-) For information on LUGs in general, there's always http://www.linux.org/groups/usa/ It seems like the "Suncoast" is much bigger than I thought! :-) Russell On Monday 18 November 2002 11:59 am, you wrote: > On Monday 18 November 2002 11:18, you wrote: > > Does any of you know a similar group here in the west coast besides the > > Universities..? > > There is at least one lug in the la area, http://www.lula.org > also try http://www.lalugs.org for general info. > Smitty > > > Oscar R. Quesada > > UMG-IT Systems/Network Support > > Vivendi Universal > > 818-777-5701 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul M. Foster [mailto:paulf@quillandmouse.com] > > Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 6:31 PM > > To: slug@nks.net; slug-announce@nks.net; > > linux-announce@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov > > Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings > > > > > > ************************************* > > * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * > > * Meeting Schedule * > > ************************************* > > > > SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** > > > > *** CANCELLED *** > > > > 20 November 18:00-21:00 Sarasota > > (third Wednesday of each month) > > Baker Electronics > > 8323 Lindbergh Court > > Sarasota, FL > > > > See http://www.bish.net/directions/ > > > > *** CANCELLED *** > > > > DUNEDIN ************************************************** > > > > 23 November 10:00-12:00 Dunedin > > (usually fourth Saturday of each month) > > Dunedin Public Library, > > 223 Douglas Ave., > > Community Room A. > > Dunedin, FL > > > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. > > > > BRANDON ************************************************** > > > > 5 December 20:00-22:00 Brandon > > (first Thursday of each month) > > Brandon Barnes & Noble > > Brandon Town Center > > Brandon, FL > > > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. > > > > NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** > > > > 7 December 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey > > (first Saturday of each month) > > New Port Richey Public Library > > (second level meeting rooms) > > 5939 Main St. > > New Port Richey, FL > > > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. > > > > TAMPA **************************************************** > > > > 11 December 19:00-21:00 Tampa > > (second Wednesday of each month) > > PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 > > 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd > > Lakepointe I Building > > Tampa, FL 33607 > > > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#tampa for directions. > > > > SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** > > > > 18 December 18:00-21:00 Sarasota > > (third Wednesday of each month) > > Baker Electronics > > 8323 Lindbergh Court > > Sarasota, FL > > > > See http://www.bish.net/directions/ > > > > *********************************************************** > > > > ACTIVITIES: > > > > Meetings include: > > > > 1) Presentation: As indicated. > > > > 2) Question & Answer Session. > > > > 3) Raffle and free stuff! > > > > Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! > > (And don't forget to start your installs early!) - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE92R8AAqKGrvVshJQRAtfQAJ4mv7pSw7I8pYGfQy76aW39R0IWlgCeIXvc s2xE28Tq+yrfKqAlTZhjhUQ= =GvVS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 12:13:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA18259 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:13:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18256 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:13:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05782 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:13:02 -0500 Received: from rand.rsad.edu (rand.rsad.edu [216.38.176.13]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIHCOkY000572 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:12:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (carson.rsad.edu [216.38.176.14]) by rand.rsad.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Ringling) with ESMTP id gAIHCHll000882 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from shakti.it.rsad.edu ( [shakti.it.rsad.edu]) as user pgupta@imap.rsad.edu by campus.rsad.edu with HTTP; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:12:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1037639539.3dd91f734017f@campus.rsad.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:12:19 -0500 From: Prasun Gupta To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings References: <3DD8DD8B.6000601@roblimo.com> <1037624141.21172.1.camel@sirus> <3DD8FF54.1060208@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: <3DD8FF54.1060208@roblimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.38.183.154 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hello Robin, Sounds like a good idea, I was looking forward to the meeting. Just wanted to say, the weather is cold and dark now. Do you think you will have the room inside???? The topic is great and look forward to attend the meeting. --Prasun Quoting Robin 'Roblimo' Miller : > > > > > >>Once again, anyone who wants to have an informal gathering in lieu of > >>the formal -- but cancelled -- meeting is welcome at my Bradenton home > >>at the meeting time/date above. > >> > >> > > > >Sounds good to me. Should we RSVP to this? I will finally be in town > >for a SLUG meeting. I was bummed the meeting was cancelled. > > > > Seems to me you just did. Last time we had a non-meeting at my place, 5 > or 6 people showed up and we just had a general chat and hung out. No > structure. I was thinking of looking at OSCommerce this time because a > lot of people around here are trying to make a living with Linux/Open > Source, and I've been evaluating content management systems and > storefront/catalog type software anyway, so maybe we can all help each > other. > > I assure you, this is a *ripe* area for Web development (mostly very > simple brochureware) because such a tiny percentage of local businesses > are online, and from what I've seen in Bradenton/Sarasota, the market is > dominated by a few overpriced FrontPage shops that could easily be > knocked off. > > - Robin > > -- Prasun Gupta, Systems Analyst Ringling School of Art and Design (941)359-7573 pgupta@ringling.edu From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 12:14:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA18271 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:14:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18268 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:14:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05800 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:14:12 -0500 Received: from usushntex51.unistudios.com (outmail.unistudios.com [192.251.67.111]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIHDrkY000670 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:13:53 -0500 Received: from usintex11lax.unistudios.com (usintex11lax.udh.unistudios.com [167.167.130.41]) by usushntex51.unistudios.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id XDDVRLRR; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:11:53 -0800 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by usintex11lax.unistudios.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:13:46 -0800 Received: by usintex11lax.udh.unistudios.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:13:46 -0800 Message-ID: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135A85@usush2kex03> From: "Quesada, Oscar" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:13:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks, I look into. Oscar R. Quesada UMG-IT Systems/Network Support Vivendi Universal 818-777-5701 -----Original Message----- From: Smitty [mailto:a.smitty@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 8:59 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings On Monday 18 November 2002 11:18, you wrote: > Does any of you know a similar group here in the west coast besides the > Universities..? There is at least one lug in the la area, http://www.lula.org also try http://www.lalugs.org for general info. Smitty > > Oscar R. Quesada > UMG-IT Systems/Network Support > Vivendi Universal > 818-777-5701 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul M. Foster [mailto:paulf@quillandmouse.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 6:31 PM > To: slug@nks.net; slug-announce@nks.net; > linux-announce@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov > Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings > > > ************************************* > * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * > * Meeting Schedule * > ************************************* > > SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** > > *** CANCELLED *** > > 20 November 18:00-21:00 Sarasota > (third Wednesday of each month) > Baker Electronics > 8323 Lindbergh Court > Sarasota, FL > > See http://www.bish.net/directions/ > > *** CANCELLED *** > > DUNEDIN ************************************************** > > 23 November 10:00-12:00 Dunedin > (usually fourth Saturday of each month) > Dunedin Public Library, > 223 Douglas Ave., > Community Room A. > Dunedin, FL > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. > > BRANDON ************************************************** > > 5 December 20:00-22:00 Brandon > (first Thursday of each month) > Brandon Barnes & Noble > Brandon Town Center > Brandon, FL > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. > > NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** > > 7 December 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey > (first Saturday of each month) > New Port Richey Public Library > (second level meeting rooms) > 5939 Main St. > New Port Richey, FL > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. > > TAMPA **************************************************** > > 11 December 19:00-21:00 Tampa > (second Wednesday of each month) > PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 > 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd > Lakepointe I Building > Tampa, FL 33607 > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#tampa for directions. > > SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** > > 18 December 18:00-21:00 Sarasota > (third Wednesday of each month) > Baker Electronics > 8323 Lindbergh Court > Sarasota, FL > > See http://www.bish.net/directions/ > > *********************************************************** > > ACTIVITIES: > > Meetings include: > > 1) Presentation: As indicated. > > 2) Question & Answer Session. > > 3) Raffle and free stuff! > > Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! > (And don't forget to start your installs early!) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 12:36:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA18569 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:36:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18566 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:36:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06079 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:36:32 -0500 Received: from mail.vasoftware.com (mail.vasoftware.com [198.186.202.175]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIHZdkY002198 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:35:40 -0500 Received: from [24.92.204.96] (helo=roblimo.com) by mail.vasoftware.com with asmtp (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 18Dpo6-0002HY-00 by VAauthid with fixed_plain for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:35:34 -0800 Message-ID: <3DD92450.1020805@roblimo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:33:04 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings References: <3DD8DD8B.6000601@roblimo.com> <1037624141.21172.1.camel@sirus> <3DD8FF54.1060208@roblimo.com> <1037639539.3dd91f734017f@campus.rsad.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > >Sounds like a good idea, I was looking forward to the meeting. Just wanted to say, the weather is >cold and dark now. Do you think you will have the room inside???? >The topic is great and look forward to attend the meeting. > I have 8 chairs and some cushions, plus a carpeted floor. I think around 12 people can fit in my little combo living room/kitchen, and since my wife isn't here with me this trip (stayed in MD), we can overflow into the bedroom. A young reporter from the Weekly Planet is also going to come, referred by Bill Preece. I told him this wasn't a real meeting, more of an informal social thing, but whatever. He wanted to do a lunch interview with me; I suggested he just show up Wed. eve at 6 as an alternative. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 12:50:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA18695 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:50:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18692 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:50:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06224 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:50:32 -0500 Received: from bigcan2.rapidsys.com (tincan.rapidsys.com [209.84.253.13] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIHnvkY003100 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:49:57 -0500 Received: by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:49:52 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([216.202.125.224]) by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id W0WP77WA; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:49:47 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([192.168.0.5]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAIGtEg02802 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:55:15 -0500 From: Mike Manchester To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] changing password In-Reply-To: <1037629698.25321.6.camel@genoa> References: <1037629698.25321.6.camel@genoa> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-6) Date: 18 Nov 2002 12:50:56 -0500 Message-Id: <1037641857.1752.114.camel@cpt> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Sorry this is RH 7.2 and it won't let me ignore it. It keeps asking me for a new password and the old one is still in effect. Mike M. On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 09:28, David Meyer wrote: > Even though you are getting a "Bad Password" message, in RH8.0 your > change will still take effect. Just ignore it. > > Dave > > On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 08:43, Mike Manchester wrote: > > Does anyone know how to turn of the checking of a password based on a > > dictionary word in RedHat? When I try to change a password in Redhat I > > get the message that it's a bad password it's based on a dictionary > > word. This is only on one of my Redhat systems. The other systems let > me > > change the password with out any problem. > > Thanks > > Mike M. > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 12:50:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA18705 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:50:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18702 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:50:54 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06190; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:48:05 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA21810; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:48:05 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net, Jim Wildman Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:48:04 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211181248.04596.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id MAA18703 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 18 November 2002 11:46, Jim Wildman wrote: > It depends what strata of business you are talking about. Let me divide > the business strata into 4 pieces > 1) <50 desktops administered by the local 'computer person'. The one > who knows the most. > 2) 50-200 desktops with maybe a local professional, otherwise using > hired gun or contract support > a) with heavy ties to the MS infrastructure (VB, asp, AD, vertical > apps, etc) > b) without heavy ties to the MS infrastructure > 3) The large corporate desktop (200-50,000 users) > > Type 1 is already starting to move. The availability of web interfaces > for many applications is helping here. The holdup is the number of > people (computer persons) who are familiar with Linux. With the aging > of our first generation of high school/casual users, this problem will > be 'grown out of'. NKS is a Tampa Bay local Linux/OpenSource based managed solution provider. As a Linux solutions provider, I can tell you that the small business (SB) customer is our primary target for managed services. For those companies that cannot afford a full-time "computer person", our managed service offerings fit perfectly into their business need. > Type 2a will happen as companies begin to see the true cost of the MS > addiction. If you've ever tried to scale Active Directory or Exchange > across a geographically dispersed company you know what I mean. The > *nix alternative can be orders of magnitude cheaper with less security > implications. Some companies are beginning to see this. For instance, > if you deploy Active Directory today, you are facing 2 (at least) > major infrastructure upgrades in the next 2-3 years. One from the > current AD to the next version, then from that one to .Net/AD, which > will not be the same version at all. Not a good thing to do with your > authentication infrastructure. NKS is provides Linux/OpenSource experts on a contract basis. While we also deal in medium sized businesses (the "M" in SMB), we typically do contract work for such companies. They already have some form of internal IT staff, but need experts to answer difficult/complex questions about Linux/OpenSource and migration from Microsoft products. While we sell fewer managed services to this segment of the market, we do give customers a nice safety cushion for support and experts to call on when vendor support falls apart. > Type 2b is already happening, too. There is a growing group of > professional support consultancies that can make the arguement for > moving your corporate desktop to Linux (Russ Herrold and Owlriver being > an example). For organizations who have little tie in to custom apps, > or who are looking to replace legacy or proprietary applications (ie, > dbase accounting, home grown infrastructures, etc) the financial and > support arguements are beginning to be very obvious. Microsoft is our > biggest ally here, since they are forcing people to throw away or upgrade > working systems (ie, 9x desktops). In some very important niche markets, > the EULA is going to bite them big time because of the Federal privacy > regs. (ie HIPPA in the medical space, GLBA in the financial space.) I > cannot agree to a EULA that allows my vendor to access my data when I am > responsible (meaning stripes and bars if I dont' do it) for maintaining > the privacy of data. NKS is a professional support consultancy, but it isn't our core business. It is our goal, however, to displace Microsoft solutions wherever possible. In fact, Eric has mandated us to do exactly this ;) We are actively working toward this direction, but the market is only now beginning to really accept it. Sure, there are good local pioneers of this (the City of Largo being a prime example), but convincing most customers to drop their Windows desktops is an uphill battle. Most of the effort is acceptance by management and the retraining of users who just want their old applications. With the new licensing costs, and other TCO craziness in the Microsoft world, it's not hard to make a strong business case for Linux on the desktop anymore. > Type 3 is dependent on some of the same things, plus 'enterprise' level > support. Right now, only RedHat (and maybe IBM) provides 24x7x365 level > 1,2,3 support contracts, and really only for servers at that. As the > early adopters in a vertical market (say Amazon) get publicity for how > much they are saving using open source tools, the other companies will > have to participate in the arms race. I think it will become > increasingly difficult to maintain the arguement of 'soft savings' from > using MS products (ie, they make my programmers more productive) in the > face of hard dollar savings (fewer, smaller servers with less downtime > and lower license/maintenance fees). Sun is already pushing this. Did > you catch the 2 ads in this week's eWeek about 'self maintaining' > computers? Full page. The tight economy and capitalistic market forces > will push this market, but it will be another year or two. We have an exciting offering in the works now for precisely this market. It fits right in with what you're mentioning. The other folks would kill me if I say anything more about it at the moment, however ;) But look for something interesting from us for the enterprise market in the near future. Ok, enough horn tooting. We don't do it often. I'll bet I've even broken a few dozen unwritten rules about using SLUG resources as a marketing platform. My apologies for offending anyone on the list with this drivel. -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 12:54:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA18754 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:54:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18751 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:54:08 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06275; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:54:06 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA22023; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:54:06 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net, John Clay Subject: Re: [SLUG] Can't print from xpdf - can print from other apps - how to resolve xpdf problem?? Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:54:06 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <1037633454.8712.94.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1037633454.8712.94.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211181254.06301.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id MAA18752 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 18 November 2002 10:30, John Clay wrote: > I'm able to print just fine from OOo, StarOffice and other apps but not > xpdf. I also can't find a print configuration tool to tell xpdf to print > to any particular printer. Any ideas as to the remedy?? xpdf just dumps to raw postscript to "lp". If your "lp" device doesn't handle postscript, you need to configure a print filter that uses ghostscript to convert the postscript to something your printer can handle. You might want to try GhostView ("gv"), or KGhostView ("kghostview") and see if they manage to print correctly. I have problems with them occasionally, however. Alternatively, you can use the commercial acroread (Adobe Acrobat Reader 4 for Linux) - which usually renders PDF files without incident. -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 13:08:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA18959 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:08:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA18951 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:08:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06456 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:08:12 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAII7XkY004342 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:07:33 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (6535180hfc97.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.180.97]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAII7RfC018654 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:07:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DD92E1C.50406@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:14:52 -0500 From: jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug David Meyer wrote: > Good Morning All, > > I certainly don't wish to fan the flames, but this discussion has made > me believe all over again that the one thing that will keep Linux from > getting where it needs to be in the desktop market is the fighting back > and forth about distributions, etc. > > Now I know that might not be totally accurate, but I am not the only one > on this list who sees this as a problem as others have talked with me > about this very thing. > > So, to that end, I am curious to know what some of you out there think > about this. More specifically, what is it that is keeping Linux from > STRONGLY coming out on the desktop market? Better and more accurate hardware detection would help, along with consistant detection across the distro's. Especially with laptop installs. EX: Ever install RedHat on a Thinkpad 600? One must jump through hoops to configure sound and not have it sound like a bad Max Headroom flashback. Yet Mandrake is based on RH and sound configures correctly without having to create scripts to load the module,unload the module, then reload the same module again. To use another flavor in the same example, Debian goes bonkers trying to figure out what video chipset it should use, while the Debian based Knoppix automagically configures it with no problems. I am a firm believer in Linux, but I am not going to spend the time tweaking a particular distro to work if there is another distro available that works right out of the box. Little things like that are enough to keep the average Windows user from considering Linux seriously. They don't want to know about the inner workings of their computer, they just want it to work. Stability is a meaningless word if the hardware that they spent many hard earned dollars for doesn't get detected correctly or worse, not detected at all. And as long as game coders are insisting that they use DirectX or other proprietary MS cough"standards"cough in their offerings, gamers are not going to consider leaving the MS umbrella either. And gamers are a large part of the reason that PC's became a household item rather than just an office tool. Jeff From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 13:39:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA19229 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:39:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA19225 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:39:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06801 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:39:02 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIIcfkY006387 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:38:41 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 89C8C5E97 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:39:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:32:57 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion Message-Id: <20021118133258.39aa906b.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <002c01c28f14$627e7dd0$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <002c01c28f14$627e7dd0$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug First, a response: > Second, business executives and other potential desktop customers look > back at the Unix environment and remember how it fractured and that no > one really had a market share that commanded respect. As long as there > are people out there who want to argue one distro against another we are > going to have to deal with this reality. Actually, in my experience, most potential desktop customers who haven't already tried unix/linux have never heard of it, or have a very vague idea of what it is. > Thirdly, The very nature of the open source community as free, is it > owns worst enemy. We need applications and distros the we know will be > here in 90 days and will be supported not by an invisible cadre of geeks > working around the world( how do I get in touch with someone I cannot > see or talk to?) but rather we need flesh and blood at a desk somewhere > and a help desk to go along with that. If we have to pay, then we will > pay for the convenience. How do you do that and maintain the freedom > that we have enjoyed in the Linux community? By supporting companies > like RedHat who have made a significant contribution and investment in > the marketplace. It is that commitment that is earning them > recognition and respect and there are even people to call for help( and > you pay for it.) I can understand your viewpoint here, but I disagree with it. Most of the major distributions have been around for quite some time, and don't appear to be going anywhere. I use as my examples Debian, RedHat, Mandrake, Suse, and Slackware. In addition, the free nature of open source software guarantees the perpetuation of quality applications, because in the event that a developer abandons a project, people who use and love the software will adopt it and continue work on it. A good example of this is SoX, which was abandoned quite some time ago by the initial dev, and has become much bigger and better since. The applications that tend to disappear within 90 days, again in my experience, are those that are either redundant, very esoteric, and/or semi- to non-functional. I view this as a healthy selective process that retains the good software and eliminates the bad and unnecessary. On the contrary, when a proprietary project, one that's owned by a corporation and support ed by flesh at a desk, dies, the code generally dies with it, and enthusiasts either have to accept this, or write a clone from scratch. Finally, I think the help desk (I don't want to say 'paradigm,' but it's really the word that fits here), as embodied by some poor, generally undertrained sap sitting at a desk with a flowchart, is a fossilized holdover from the days of proprietary software where a single company has a monopoly on expertise. With open source, the help desk is a conglomerate of search engines, usenet, LUGs, IRC, yahoo! chat (yes, there's a linux room), the LDP, man pages, READMEs, distribution sites, project developers, and finally, if you really MUST have them, the people Redhat pays to sit in front of phones with flowcharts. The great thing about problems is that new ones don't come along all that often, and it usually isn't too difficult to find someone who's had the same one before. Although the number of active Linux distributions seems to be diverging toward infinity, each distribution represents a group of people who thoroughly create, build, test, debug, patch, and generally improve that subset of software that goes into their distribution. > How many of you have paid for the last distro you have running on your > computer?? I bet not many of you. These companies take the dreaded > word 'Money' to continue and if you do not support them financially that > can never happen. You've got me - I didn't pay for the copies of Debian I'm using. However, I'm a starving recently-graduated student, and I make up for my lack of monetary donation by using my time, energy, and stubbornness to improve the software with which I come in contact. > As far as I am concerned, RedHat has the edge in the market place and > will continue to do so and I think that we should stop ragging on them > and recognize their contribution and support their efforts. We cannot > have a fractured Linux desktop development and dozens of distros and > expect to compete with MS$,, who I want so much to see eat dirt!! Fracture equals choice. I'm not ready to put all my eggs in Redhat's basket. The day somebody has a monopoly on Linux will be the day I stop using it. Now for my own rant: I believe that the three most daunting obstacles preventing Joe and Maria Homeuser from using Linux are the following: 1. You have to install Linux yourself. No major prefab PC manufacturer, by which I mean the likes of Dell, Gateway, IBM, or HP/Compaq, offers desktop systems with Linux preinstalled. Many users have never installed any operating system, and will remain unwilling to do so when they can get preinstalled systems seemingly free of extra charge. LUGs are helping to alleviate this, but it is again much simpler just to buy a preinstalled machine and turn it on. People are also generally reluctant to spend $1000+ on a computer from a company of which they haven't heard. Preinstalled machines would take a lot of the frustration out of the Linux transition, since a majority of the problems people encounter have to do with getting hardware to work. This too is turning around since Walmart began selling preinstalled Mandrake (hooray!) and Lindows(ugh) PCs. 2. People expect Linux to be a free version of Windows. A Ferrari is not a Pinto and should not be treated as such. Linux can provide the same functionality as windows, but one should not expect every application to be identical. Neither should one expect to run all of one's windows software in Linux. An example is the permission system. New users can be confused and frustrated by the necessity to be a superuser in order to install software, but less so if they understand that these permissions prevent an unknown person from being able to wipe your HD, attack the pentagon, or order you 12,367 llamas over the internet by simply sending you an email. 3. People expect a computer to be a microwave. People that will read a 90-page manual before operating a VCR will sit down in front of a PC and expect to be able to operate it by sheer force of will. User-friendliness is a great thing in software, but I have yet to develop an algorithm for mind-reading. (If somebody does so, please GPL the source and email me a copy ;) Programs that perform complex tasks are necessarily complex. By reducing the number of options a complex program will accept, one reduces the power of that program. If a well-written manual is provided, it can make using a powerful, complex program as easy as using any other. In addition, reading the manual and providing feedback helps the developers realize how useful good manuals are and helps keep manuals a top priority. So, realize that your PC is a complex machine designed to do complex tasks, and that using it may require slightly more than just pressing "Go." My $12.77 Levi From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 13:48:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA19346 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:48:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA19338 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:48:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06904 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:48:02 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIIkfkY006897 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:46:41 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 58EF95E97 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:47:50 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:40:59 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion Message-Id: <20021118134059.67fea9ed.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <3DD92E1C.50406@tampabay.rr.com> References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <3DD92E1C.50406@tampabay.rr.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > And as long as game coders are insisting that they use DirectX or other > proprietary MS cough"standards"cough in their offerings, gamers are not > going to consider leaving the MS umbrella either. And gamers are a large > part of the reason that PC's became a household item rather than just an > office tool. Oh yes, and thanks to Id Software and the late Loki Games, FPS enthusiasts at least can get out from under the MS umbrella, with such quality titles as the Dooms, the Quakes, the UTs, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and some that I'm sure I'm missing all available for Linux. Two more cents, Levi From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 14:26:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA19825 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:26:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA19814 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:26:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07446 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:26:32 -0500 From: corey@serviceweb.net Received: from cosmos.serviceweb.net (cosmos.serviceweb.net [209.94.121.24]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAIJP8kY009573 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:25:08 -0500 Received: (qmail 21706 invoked by uid 99); 18 Nov 2002 19:24:53 -0000 Received: from 129.42.208.182 ( [129.42.208.182]) as user corey@serviceweb.net@serviceweb.net by mail.serviceweb.net with HTTP; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:24:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1037647493.3dd93e85704f1@mail.serviceweb.net> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:24:53 -0500 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: Re: [SLUG] RPM question References: <000401c28f18$64ba4030$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> In-Reply-To: <000401c28f18$64ba4030$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 129.42.208.182 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug You can either recompile using the source code that Redhat puts out or you can search the redhat archives for their highmem or enterprise kernels, which should already have your support built in. HTH, Corey Quoting Mikes work account : > I have kernel-smp-2.4.9-31.i586.rpm from redhat. I need to recompile > the kernel to include extended memory above 4GB. Do I need to download > the kernel-source-2.4.9-31.i586.rpm to do this? Is the smp kernel just > a recompiled kernel with the smp flag set? And isn't that something I > can do myself from the source? > > Michael C. Rock > Systems Analyst > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 17:21:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA21246 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:21:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA21243 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:21:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09275 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:21:43 -0500 Received: from cyberduct.paknam.ac.th (dialup198.net47.samart.co.th [203.149.47.198]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIMKKkY020943 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:20:22 -0500 Received: from palo.paknam.ac.th (palo.paknam.ac.th [192.168.168.1]) by cyberduct.paknam.ac.th (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10019 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 05:19:56 +0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Neil Kittipalo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Boot Drive Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 05:20:24 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <228BBCCA-FB11-11D6-B20A-003065907602@nethouse.com> In-Reply-To: <228BBCCA-FB11-11D6-B20A-003065907602@nethouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211190520.25043.kpneil@haube.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 18 November 2002 11:16 pm, you wrote: > On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 04:39 PM, Mario Lombardo wrote: > > Yes, /dev/hdb1 is the correct syntax, not /dev/hdb . Remember, you're > > trying to tell LILO to boot from a specific partition, not the whole > > disk. I hope that makes sense. > > Yes... that makes sense. I tried that and lilo gives the Loading win... > message then stops. It doesn't freeze as I can't reboot with the three > finger salute. It isn't that big of a deal; I've been switching in the > bios for now and don't really spend that much time in windows anyway, > but it'd be nice to know what's going on. > > Thanks.. > I thought that 95, 98, ME etc insisted on being on the active primary partition of the FIRST physical hard disk. That would be /dev/hda. Did you install windows on hda and then reconnect it as hdb? I don't think this will work. I did this once a long time ago, and if I remember you re-map the drives. It all in the lilo/lilo.conf man pages and docs. I THINK it would something like this.... other = /dev/hdb1 label = win map-drive=0x80 to=0x81 map-drive=0x81 to=0x80 Neil From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 18:09:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA21606 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:09:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA21602 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:09:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09716 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:09:32 -0500 Received: from bill-tripletts-computer.local ([24.92.197.134]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAIN8lkY024089 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:08:47 -0500 Received: from nethouse.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bill-tripletts-computer.local (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAIN8fmh000489 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:08:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:08:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Boot Drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Bill Triplett To: slug@nks.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200211190520.25043.kpneil@haube.org> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 05:20 PM, Neil Kittipalo wrote: > On Monday 18 November 2002 11:16 pm, you wrote: >> On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 04:39 PM, Mario Lombardo wrote: >>> Yes, /dev/hdb1 is the correct syntax, not /dev/hdb . Remember, >>> you're >>> trying to tell LILO to boot from a specific partition, not the whole >>> disk. I hope that makes sense. >> >> Yes... that makes sense. I tried that and lilo gives the Loading >> win... >> message then stops. It doesn't freeze as I can't reboot with the three >> finger salute. It isn't that big of a deal; I've been switching in the >> bios for now and don't really spend that much time in windows anyway, >> but it'd be nice to know what's going on. >> > I thought that 95, 98, ME etc insisted on being on the active primary > partition of the FIRST physical hard disk. That would be /dev/hda. > Did you install windows on hda and then reconnect it as hdb? I don't > think > this will work. I did this once a long time ago, and if I remember you > re-map > the drives. It all in the lilo/lilo.conf man pages and docs. > I THINK it would something like this.... That is exactly what I did. When I was installing windows I remembered all the scary stories about it overwiting stuff so I disconnected my other drive to be on the safe side! The lilo.conf commands worked perfectly. Thanks very much. > other = /dev/hdb1 > label = win > map-drive=0x80 > to=0x81 > map-drive=0x81 > to=0x80 > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 20:13:04 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA22620 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:13:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA22607 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:13:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10994 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:13:02 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJ1COkY032083 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:12:25 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (6535180hfc97.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.180.97]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAJ1CI1c020683 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:12:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DD991AF.2040609@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:19:43 -0500 From: jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <3DD92E1C.50406@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118134059.67fea9ed.levi@bard.sytes.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Levi Bard wrote: >> And as long as game coders are insisting that they use DirectX or other >>proprietary MS cough"standards"cough in their offerings, gamers are not >>going to consider leaving the MS umbrella either. And gamers are a large >>part of the reason that PC's became a household item rather than just an >>office tool. >> > > Oh yes, and thanks to Id Software and the late Loki Games, FPS enthusiasts at least can get out from under the MS umbrella, with such quality titles as the Dooms, the Quakes, the UTs, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and some that I'm sure I'm missing all available for Linux. > > Two more cents, > Levi > > Unfortunately, there hasn't been any ports of Need for Speed and Max Payne, which are my favorites. At least not that I am aware of. They are the reason that I have a separate removeable drive with Windows. I have to get my "game fix" occasionally :) Jeff From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 20:23:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA22707 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:23:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA22704 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:23:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11100 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:23:32 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJ1MnkY032739 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:22:49 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (117-68.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.68.117]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAJ1MgCB013283; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:22:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DD9924E.9040509@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:22:22 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distributions References: <60694.199.222.4.62.1037380200.squirrel@_default_> <200211162125.03961.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <1037538568.14511.1.camel@lattitude> <200211171902.46361.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > So what and a whole lot of people prase MS windows. Once I heard a worm living in a horse radish root that was two and a half degrees cooler than hell, he thought he was living in heaven with all of that sweet food all around him. 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 21:13:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA23083 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:13:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA23080 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:13:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11543 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:13:22 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJ2CskY003433 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:12:54 -0500 Received: from 653266hfc174.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.66.174] helo=myduron) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Dxse-0000H9-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:12:48 -0800 Message-ID: <001701c28f71$3cdd2ec0$ae422041@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Mindspring" To: References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <3DD92E1C.50406@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118134059.67fea9ed.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD991AF.2040609@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:13:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: 44b05ea7a2d5b6629c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d0360321998f6c3fa009653470c6bc3a3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I to am a massive NFS {Need For Speed} player and I wish Ea would port it over. Especially since there is such a huge following. Such as www.nfscars.com which has over 3000 cars for NFS. I know right now I have over 6+ gigs worth of cars around 4800 cars. Who knows maybe huge list of people wanting it would help. How ever Michael Bego of Xandros has told me that there should be a huge list of games that they are working on to make sure they work in the next 6 months. We will see. Here is a E-mail piece he addressed to me about this. We will be good with many Windows 2-D games in about 6 months. 3-D may be another 6 months. That said, any gaming company that makes their 3D games available for Xandros today will be supported. Bill Preece ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff" To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion > Levi Bard wrote: > >> And as long as game coders are insisting that they use DirectX or other > >>proprietary MS cough"standards"cough in their offerings, gamers are not > >>going to consider leaving the MS umbrella either. And gamers are a large > >>part of the reason that PC's became a household item rather than just an > >>office tool. > >> > > > > Oh yes, and thanks to Id Software and the late Loki Games, FPS enthusiasts at least can get out from under the MS umbrella, with such quality titles as the Dooms, the Quakes, the UTs, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and some that I'm sure I'm missing all available for Linux. > > > > Two more cents, > > Levi > > > > > > Unfortunately, there hasn't been any ports of Need for Speed and Max > Payne, which are my favorites. At least not that I am aware of. They are > the reason that I have a separate removeable drive with Windows. I have > to get my "game fix" occasionally :) > Jeff > From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 21:38:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA23278 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:38:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA23275 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:38:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11765 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:38:02 -0500 Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJ2bdkY004997 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:37:39 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18DyGb-0005J9-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:37:33 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18DyG5-0000Qm-00 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:37:01 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:36:59 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200211181248.04596.icblenke@nks.net> In-Reply-To: <200211181248.04596.icblenke@nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e76737e32eab0e3d88b520613203d98014e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Ok, enough horn tooting. We don't do it often. I'll bet I've even broken a > few dozen unwritten rules about using SLUG resources as a marketing > platform. My apologies for offending anyone on the list with this drivel. While normally I would roll my eyes and wait for someone else to say, "This is bad, don't do it anymore," I'd rather say that I appreciate this, instead. It's nice to know that there is a Linux Solutions Provider (tm) that can talk just like M$, but have a better solution than them. :-) Of course, you are preaching to the choir. You should put this thread (at least the last message) up on the NKS website somewhere. That way when people are looking at you, they can see themselves in the categories, and how you could fit into their plan. So, keep up the good work! Russell - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE92aPMAqKGrvVshJQRAsKMAJ4pYZ2K7KFmrQdkkGAuSDRdDig5/ACgxmPu 3U6q5wpLn732rZKVhJhZpfY= =k3WC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 22:24:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA23617 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:24:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA23614 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:24:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12200 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:24:43 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAJ3NxkY007893 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:24:00 -0500 Received: (qmail 62979 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2002 03:23:49 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2002 03:23:49 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18DyzO-0000rH-00 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:23:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:23:43 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion Message-ID: <20021119032343.GB31074@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 09:27:20AM -0500, David Meyer wrote: > Good Morning All, > > I certainly don't wish to fan the flames, but this discussion has made > me believe all over again that the one thing that will keep Linux from > getting where it needs to be in the desktop market is the fighting back > and forth about distributions, etc. > That's the least of Linux' worries. The #1 biggest reason for the dearth of Linux desktops and servers compared to Microsoft is the fact that Linux is not pre-installed on PCs (some, but very few). Do people planning to buy a PC want it with an OS or without one (and they have to install it themselves)? Do they want to wipe the OS they have and put a different one on? Why should they do all that? Word works for them, IE works for them. All this Microsoft antitrust stuff and anti-Microsoft rhetoric doesn't really have anything to do with them. I'm talking about home and home office users here. Driving a wedge between those people and their Windows OS is an extremely hard thing to do. Some of those people still run Windows 3.11, of all things. If it works, don't fix it, they believe. And you can't really argue with that. And all these disputes like KDE vs GNOME, vi vs emacs, are all irrelevant to them. They wouldn't know a KDE if it walked up and slapped them. Again, they just want it to work. The business world is a different animal. But again, I don't believe community bickering has anything to do with Linux acceptance. When IBM installs a Red Hat server in a Wall Street brokerage, I doubt anyone ponders the significance of whether they really should be using SuSE instead. Much of the impetus for Linux in corporations comes from a) geeks, and b) press buzz. That's what makes the CIOs even entertain the idea. Then they get into TCO and support. Red Hat's cleaning up, partially because they have a strong support organization for those corporate types. If SuSE, Mandrake or Debian could do that, they'd be cleaning up too. Jim Wildman's breakdown of company types is probably accurate, and illustrates the difference between Linux acceptance across the business spectrum. But this petty bickering about any number of things in our community is really a private matter, not something the world at large is aware of or cares about. An example is the kernel mailing list. Any large development project will likely have the same breadth and volume of arguing. The difference is that ours is in public. At Microsoft, those guys are either across the cubicle from each other, or the arguing happens on Microsoft internal email channels. But what's "public" to us isn't readily visible to rest of the world. How many moms and CPAs go out to Google to try to find out what's been said on any of the Linux lists that get archived on the internet? Precious few, I'll bet. The only reason anyone knows about it at all is because the press highlights it from time to time. I never heard of a family that didn't argue amongst themselves at one time or another. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 22:27:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA23648 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:27:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA23645 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:27:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12233 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:27:12 -0500 Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJ3QEkY008044 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:26:15 -0500 Received: from user-33qtseo.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.241.216] helo=noname.nodomain.nowhere) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Dz1c-0007Vv-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:26:08 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Tim Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:00:50 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> In-Reply-To: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02111822005004.18286@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 18 November 2002 09:27, you wrote: > Good Morning All, > > I certainly don't wish to fan the flames, but this discussion has made > me believe all over again that the one thing that will keep Linux from > getting where it needs to be in the desktop market is the fighting back > and forth about distributions, etc. Good point. Some of this flaming over distributions seems pointless. > > Now I know that might not be totally accurate, but I am not the only one > on this list who sees this as a problem as others have talked with me > about this very thing. Different Linux distributions are analogous to different makes of cars. It's all transportation, but people get very loyal to their favorite brand. I drive a Plymouth, I know a few die-hard Honda owners, and my dad would rather push his Ford pickup than drive an import. I'm OK with whatever car you like to drive and expect you to be equally tolerant of me. Some people like to tinker under the hood and do all their own maintenance. These guys will customize their cars with extra features: headers, turbochargers, etc. Others don't have those talents and take their car in for service. I don't have a problem with either crowd. Different is not necessarily better or worse. I bought Caldera, a lot of folks swear by Red Hat or Suse. There's a few who'd die before giving up their Debian. Use what works for you and be tolerant of the next guy's choice. Like cars, each distribution has its unique features that some people like and others hate. > > So, to that end, I am curious to know what some of you out there think > about this. More specifically, what is it that is keeping Linux from > STRONGLY coming out on the desktop market? Linux on the desktop needs to be simple and robust enough to use that a peroxide blonde receptionist can successfully employ it in the normal routine of her day. That's how the Macintosh and MS-Windows carved out their markets. The geek reputation stands in the way of Linux being a real contender for the desktop, but that's bound to be temporary. Twenty-five years ago, only geeks had computers, and now everybody's online. The hardcore gearheads and coders may not like this, but "dumbing down" Linux will bring it to the masses a lot sooner then trying to raise the masses up to competancy in Unix command line operations and shell scripting. The computer is a tool for getting things done, and the folks on this list believe Unix/Linux is a more efficient way of using this tool. > > We're 99% Microsoft free here (just converting some files now from one > machine) throughout our house. One reason is this list. I have a > replacement for virtually every MS program thanks to many of you. > Surely if we can do it (wife and kids included) others can to. So my > question is what can we do to help people make the change? I've been 100% Microsoft-free (and crash-free, and virus-free) for about three years. There had to be something better than MS-Windows and MS-DOS, and I found it. To help expand Linux to those who'd otherwise use MS-Windows or a Mac, we have to make it easier to use. Xandros and similar efforts are a step in the right direction. More business applications and cross-platform efforts like CodeWeavers's efforts will help. Porting Unix enterprise software to Linux, as opposed to porting to Windows NT is almost a no-brainer and should convince businesses that Linux is the OS they want. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 22:32:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA23688 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:32:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA23685 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:32:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12279 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:32:02 -0500 Received: from hank.mjudge.net (adsl-83-153-61.mco.bellsouth.net [65.83.153.61]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJ3VDkY008413 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:31:14 -0500 Received: from beavis.mjudge.net (beavis.mjudge.net [192.168.1.2]) by hank.mjudge.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gAJ3V8P22082 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:31:08 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian Coyle Organization: CHAOS -- That's a level of organization, isn't it? To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Can't print from xpdf - can print from other apps - how to resolve xpdf problem?? Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:31:06 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <1037633454.8712.94.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200211181150.34802.a.smitty@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200211181150.34802.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Reply-Content-Type: No HTML Mail, please! Send plain text. X-GPG-Fingerprint: AE1C 123A 1153 8A63 E8A9 FAEA 111D CCB8 7527 701B X-Message-flag: This has been a test of the M$ Outlook virus system... Had this been an actual virus, you'd have been... Well, toast. MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02111822310602.00995@beavis.mjudge.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 18 November 2002 11:50, Smitty wrote: > On Monday 18 November 2002 10:30, you wrote: > > I'm able to print just fine from OOo, StarOffice and other apps but not > > xpdf. I also can't find a print configuration tool to tell xpdf to print > > to any particular printer. Any ideas as to the remedy?? > > I have the same problem. I think all you need to do is uncomment the > relevant lines in /etc/xpdfrc to get it to print, which would be postscript > and text output. Have not needed to print with it yet so have not done it. Use the pipe, Luke! Instead of just a filename to print the .ps to, build a pipeline that includes your print command and options (usually a specific printer destination). For example: | lpr -Pmy_printer See also: http://www.foolabs.com/xpdf/problems.html#nup - -- 'If everyone climbs Mt. Everest because it's hard to do, why do they go up the easy side?' -- George Carlin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Brian Coyle, GCIA http://www.giac.org/GCIA.php iD8DBQE92bB7ER3MuHUncBsRAvMZAJ9+/O3F2MKurkwRRW/PDIGqqgjeMACfUBPo AdoRQ0T0yPMlV23reApwAT8= =lLu0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 18 23:06:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA23982 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:06:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA23968 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:06:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12585 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:06:22 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJ45EkY010532 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:05:14 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E3865F31 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:06:10 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:59:24 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion Message-Id: <20021118225924.6b176e5e.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <3DD991AF.2040609@tampabay.rr.com> References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <3DD92E1C.50406@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118134059.67fea9ed.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD991AF.2040609@tampabay.rr.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Unfortunately, there hasn't been any ports of Need for Speed and Max > Payne, which are my favorites. At least not that I am aware of. They are > the reason that I have a separate removeable drive with Windows. I have > to get my "game fix" occasionally :) > Jeff Yeah - LucasArts need to be beaten until they start supporting Linux. For some of their older games that use the SCUMM system, there's a linux native interpreter, though, at http://scummvm.sf.net. I have a little FreeDOS partition for some of my other favorites like TIE Fighter, Dark Forces, and Daggerfall. Levi From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 00:43:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA24751 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:43:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA24748 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:43:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13506 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:43:32 -0500 Received: from mail.vasoftware.com (mail.vasoftware.com [198.186.202.175]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJ5gqkY016735 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:42:52 -0500 Received: from [24.92.204.96] (helo=roblimo.com) by mail.vasoftware.com with asmtp (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 18E19q-0004WN-00 by VAauthid with fixed_plain for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:42:47 -0800 Message-ID: <3DD9CEBD.3050801@roblimo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:40:13 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <02111822005004.18286@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > >The hardcore gearheads and coders may not like this, but "dumbing down" Linux >will bring it to the masses a lot sooner then trying to raise the masses up >to competancy in Unix command line operations and shell scripting. > I said this in an article on Time Digital's Netly News site in 1996 -- and got cursed and flamed like mad for saying it. Eric Raymond told me everyone should use emacs and learn all the internal workings of their computer, that we should all become coders. A woman named Cathy later set him straight. That's Mrs. Raymond -- a lawyer who had no desire to type in a bunch of commands with slashes in them to listen to a CD on her computer. >I've been 100% Microsoft-free (and crash-free, and virus-free) for about >three years. There had to be something better than MS-Windows and MS-DOS, and >I found it. > I've been Microsoft-free since 1997. I don't even hate Microsoft any more. The memory of crashes while writing on tight deadlines has finally faded. I still use a little commercial software - I prefer StarOffice to OpenOffice - but not much, and it's all Linux-native. I don't feel I'm missing out on any great computer experience. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 00:46:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA24793 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:46:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA24790 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:46:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13546 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:46:46 -0500 Received: from mail.vasoftware.com (mail.vasoftware.com [198.186.202.175]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJ5jskY016918 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:45:54 -0500 Received: from [24.92.204.96] (helo=roblimo.com) by mail.vasoftware.com with asmtp (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 18E1Cm-00005n-00 by VAauthid with fixed_plain for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:45:48 -0800 Message-ID: <3DD9CF74.8010900@roblimo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:43:16 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <3DD92E1C.50406@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118134059.67fea9ed.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD991AF.2040609@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118225924.6b176e5e.levi@bard.sytes.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > >Yeah - LucasArts need to be beaten until they start supporting Linux. For some of their older games that use the SCUMM system, there's a linux native interpreter, though, at http://scummvm.sf.net. > There's a great story about LucasArts and scummvm that I can't tell quite yet, but I think you'll find LucasArts is more sympathetic than you might expect. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 01:17:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA25083 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:17:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA25075 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:17:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13901 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:17:52 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAJ6HLkY018997 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:17:21 -0500 Received: (qmail 66010 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2002 06:17:12 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2002 06:17:12 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18E1hA-0001So-00 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:17:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:17:07 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion Message-ID: <20021119061707.GA5606@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <02111822005004.18286@noname.nodomain.nowhere> <3DD9CEBD.3050801@roblimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DD9CEBD.3050801@roblimo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 12:40:13AM -0500, Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > > > > > >The hardcore gearheads and coders may not like this, but "dumbing down" > Linux > >will bring it to the masses a lot sooner then trying to raise the masses up > >to competancy in Unix command line operations and shell scripting. > > > > I said this in an article on Time Digital's Netly News site in 1996 -- > and got cursed and flamed like mad for saying it. You're right. But I think this could be done without sacrificing any of the configurability and gearhead charm of Linux. Kind of like putting Apple's Mac inferface over the top of [Unix] OS X. And slowly or quickly (depending on how you view it) this is happening. Compare Red Hat now to Red Hat three years ago, for example. > Eric Raymond told me > everyone should use emacs and learn all the internal workings of their > computer, that we should all become coders. A woman named Cathy later > set him straight. That's Mrs. Raymond -- a lawyer who had no desire to > type in a bunch of commands with slashes in them to listen to a CD on > her computer. > Emacs. Umm, yeeaah. I appreciate all ESR's done for us, but he's an unrepentent geek. Sometimes he needs to be corralled and shown what the real world is like. Linus is probably a much better example of a good balance. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 01:25:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA25143 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:25:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA25140 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:25:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13966 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:25:12 -0500 Received: from 653222hfc162.tampabay.rr.com (653222hfc162.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.22.162]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJ6OOkY019429 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:24:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by 653222hfc162.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAIJOev01484 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:24:40 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: crawancon Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:24:38 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211181424.39192.cwc@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id BAA25141 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug rant? - Well, I would say multimedia and games are where GNU/Linux is lacking on the desktop. Compatibility with hardware and windows software is also an issue.. but has or will be overcome.. I think GNU/Linux, with star and open office have done well in providing office utilities. More and more businesses are discovering they can get things done with linux, cheaper. Linux is undoubtedly more secure and stability is not the issue. I think there are just minor issues that are being hammered out with each passing day OpenGL isn't flawless, but I think alot has improved. Even in the realm of making linux user friendly, not to mention extraordinary looking/feeling desktops. for ease, the lindows and xandros distros. for beauty, the Redhat 8 and mandrake 9 distros. people just want their computers to run without much fuss. the """"problem"""" is that linux is naturally fussy because its so much more inquisitive then windows. basic computer users won't get the full umph of linux. most of the power lies in the console. basic users of computers don't appreciate a text based OS. so linux had to rise above and incorporate the gui, then make everything easy. then make software people want to be on it already or available. or have their hardware supported. gaming again comes up. linux is now moving even onto consoles i know i've seen linux ps2 kits also. another step closer in that was ut2003 provided a linux install with its boxed game. ports of games are more and more available.. More in the realm of multi media, dvd copying, playing, mpeg, avi,asf, mp3, ogg, etc are all capable in linux, and gaining stability and user friendliness. file sharing? i read a few threads ago about winmx working under wine.. and there are 9834987349873249823498234 gnutella clients out there. so i would suggest beefing up XMMS, XINE, and any other major multi media suites, get the superior gnutella client to rise up and show itself hopefully have access to winmx networks,get WINE up to speed and have a solid gaming foundation.. once all these things are in place, GNU/Linux, and open source can continue to spread and show the world what it can do with a few good users at its finger tips. ....and about all this fighting between distros.. its just survival of the fittest. distros serve different needs. the consumer has to research to know which would suite them better. john q public mp3 downloader and webchatter won't need much in the wake of server software, etc. each has its strengths. each has its differences. if enough people like the qualities of one, it might stay and grow. sometimes the same people don't like what it grows into. so they move on. :) distrowatch.org is a great site. or just do a google search for linux iso or linux flavors or linux distributions. tons come up. part of the beauty of linux is its ability to conform to your specifications. it takes some time and research for the end product. but its usually worth it to people. Good Morning All, > > I certainly don't wish to fan the flames, but this discussion has made > me believe all over again that the one thing that will keep Linux from > getting where it needs to be in the desktop market is the fighting back > and forth about distributions, etc. > > Now I know that might not be totally accurate, but I am not the only one > on this list who sees this as a problem as others have talked with me > about this very thing. > > So, to that end, I am curious to know what some of you out there think > about this. More specifically, what is it that is keeping Linux from > STRONGLY coming out on the desktop market? > > We're 99% Microsoft free here (just converting some files now from one > machine) throughout our house. One reason is this list. I have a > replacement for virtually every MS program thanks to many of you. > Surely if we can do it (wife and kids included) others can to. So my > question is what can we do to help people make the change? > > Just a thought... > > Dave ------------------------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 01:56:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA25428 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:56:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA25425 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:56:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14285 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:56:34 -0500 Received: from dt2.gschmidt.net (6535161hfc60.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.161.60]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJ6tQkY021455 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:55:27 -0500 Received: by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 246382AE78; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3347CCB for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:55:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:55:20 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Schmidt To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion In-Reply-To: <002c01c28f14$627e7dd0$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Mikes work account wrote: > > Thirdly, The very nature of the open source community as free, is it > owns worst enemy. I'll disagree, in a moment. > We need applications and distros the we know will be > here in 90 days and will be supported not by an invisible cadre of geeks > working around the world( how do I get in touch with someone I cannot > see or talk to?) but rather we need flesh and blood at a desk somewhere > and a help desk to go along with that. There are several companies that sell distribution-neutral Linux support. Some of them give you a single point of contact, a big-time, serious geek who really knows their stuff. And you know his/her cell phone number, and they can be flesh and blood at your desk for the right price, with a cavalry standing by in the rare event that their butt is getting kicked by modern technology. Good Linux support is available, in fact, it is the biggest part of the "Linux market" since you can't make a living selling the software itself for $300 a copy. Back to the freedom thing. It is *not* a liability, but, in fact, a key asset. Others have said how having the software "free" allows people to contribute to it and give back to the "community", but that's not my point. Look at how the large GNU/Linux implementations are done. They look a lot like rolling out a new MS desktop OS. With the MS stuff the IT department makes an "image". It is a set of binaries and configs that allow most of the people to do most of the things they need to do to use their company-provided computers to run most of the business. They might have different images for different hardware sets or user sets, but they are essentially building their own MS "distro" that they can support and that provides what people need and that they can put on multiple tens of thousands of machines so that the support folks always have at least some idea of what they were getting into. Every large Linux-to-the-desktop roll-out I've read about made their own distro, their own "image". Except, that they could customize it more and make sure it better fit their needs. They could be honest about bugs and make sure they were addressed. They could change or fix whatever they needed limited only by their in-house expertise or the expertise they could hire. And, they didn't need to sign usurious, ludicrous EULAs. Can't do that without the freedom; can't be so free to make it fit the customer's needs. FREEDOM! You gotta believe! If you tack on my $0.02 it might be starting to add up. Maybe I should pay more attention to that dreaded politics list. :) Greg From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 10:51:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA30601 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:51:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA30585 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:51:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19976 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:51:05 -0500 Received: from tlh601.lfrg-tlh (x.electronet.net [216.173.169.162] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJFjtkY023618 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:45:55 -0500 Received: from [10.10.12.101] (10.10.12.101 [10.10.12.101]) by tlh601.lfrg-tlh with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id 41PBXCCT; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:36:00 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] APC PowerChute for Linux - Has anyone used it with their UPS? From: John Clay To: South- Florida Linux Users Group Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 19 Nov 2002 10:45:59 -0500 Message-Id: <1037720764.4126.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm trying to get PowerChute Business Edition (PBE) operational on a linux box and am having some problems. The getting started guide notes four installation steps: 1) Install the PBE Agent on all UPS protected computers 2) Install the PBE Server on one of the UPS protected computers 3) Install the PBE Console on any computer from which you wish to administer the software 4) Add UPS systems I found pbeagent-6.1.0-1.i386.rpm on the APC site and installed it. That sure looks like the agent software and seemed to take care of number 1. My problem is that I can't find anything that remotely looks like the server software on the APC site. If any of you have experience with this process and know how to complete the installation I'd be grateful for a nudge in the right direction. Thanks Much John Clay Tallahassee, FL From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 12:52:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA31699 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:52:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA31696 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:52:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21384 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:52:34 -0500 Received: from web11403.mail.yahoo.com (web11403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.233]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAJHpKkY031892 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:51:21 -0500 Message-ID: <20021119175115.99773.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.33.49.251] by web11403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:51:15 PST Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:51:15 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: [SLUG] Flight sim.. Sabre ? To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20021102163725.GB19516@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does anyone in the group happen to use this Sim ? I am having some problems with it and would like some insight to.. Thanks ! Mark __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 12:58:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA31772 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:58:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA31769 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:58:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21464 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:58:54 -0500 Received: from pop016.verizon.net (pop016pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.173]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJHwBkY032341 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:58:12 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.63.229.144]) by pop016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021119175806.NMUG1630.pop016.verizon.net@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:58:06 -0600 Subject: RE: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion From: Vince Meiste To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <002c01c28f14$627e7dd0$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> References: <002c01c28f14$627e7dd0$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1037728712.1063.7.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 19 Nov 2002 12:58:32 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop016.verizon.net from [4.63.229.144] at Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:58:05 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Mike you hit the nail squarely on the head. I'm speaking with 28+ years of experience in the computer field (mainframe, midrange, PC, UNIX, MVS, programmer, analyst, systems programmer, systems administrator, consultant, etc). I couldn't have said it better. The business world wants a common interface on the desktop, 7/24 support from a reputable company, and business applications. That pretty much sums it up. Vince On Mon, 2002-11-18 at 10:08, Mikes work account wrote: > It is my opinion that the lack of support in the business marketplace > for the desktop is three fold: > > First the lack of applications that support the business community has > in the past been a big sucking sound that no one wanted to hear,,, that > is changing drastically from day to day and eventually the number of > supported applications will be sufficient to support the demand. > > Second, business executives and other potential desktop customers look > back at the Unix environment and remember how it fractured and that no > one really had a market share that commanded respect. As long as there > are people out there who want to argue one distro against another we are > going to have to deal with this reality. > > Thirdly, The very nature of the open source community as free, is it > owns worst enemy. We need applications and distros the we know will be > here in 90 days and will be supported not by an invisible cadre of geeks > working around the world( how do I get in touch with someone I cannot > see or talk to?) but rather we need flesh and blood at a desk somewhere > and a help desk to go along with that. If we have to pay, then we will > pay for the convenience. How do you do that and maintain the freedom > that we have enjoyed in the Linux community? By supporting companies > like RedHat who have made a significant contribution and investment in > the marketplace. It is that commitment that is earning them > recognition and respect and there are even people to call for help( and > you pay for it.) > > How many of you have paid for the last distro you have running on your > computer?? I bet not many of you. These companies take the dreaded > word 'Money' to continue and if you do not support them financially that > can never happen. > > As far as I am concerned, RedHat has the edge in the market place and > will continue to do so and I think that we should stop ragging on them > and recognize their contribution and support their efforts. We cannot > have a fractured Linux desktop development and dozens of distros and > expect to compete with MS$,, who I want so much to see eat dirt!! > > Michael C. Rock > Systems Analyst > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of David > Meyer > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:27 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion > > Good Morning All, > > I certainly don't wish to fan the flames, but this discussion has made > me believe all over again that the one thing that will keep Linux from > getting where it needs to be in the desktop market is the fighting back > and forth about distributions, etc. > > Now I know that might not be totally accurate, but I am not the only one > on this list who sees this as a problem as others have talked with me > about this very thing. > > So, to that end, I am curious to know what some of you out there think > about this. More specifically, what is it that is keeping Linux from > STRONGLY coming out on the desktop market? > > We're 99% Microsoft free here (just converting some files now from one > machine) throughout our house. One reason is this list. I have a > replacement for virtually every MS program thanks to many of you. > Surely if we can do it (wife and kids included) others can to. So my > question is what can we do to help people make the change? > > Just a thought... > > Dave > > -- Vince Meiste From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 14:58:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA00622 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:58:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA00619 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:58:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22913 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:58:54 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJJwRkY007883 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:58:27 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D5E85E97 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:59:25 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:52:32 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion Message-Id: <20021119145232.71c574cd.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <3DD9CF74.8010900@roblimo.com> References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <3DD92E1C.50406@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118134059.67fea9ed.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD991AF.2040609@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118225924.6b176e5e.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD9CF74.8010900@roblimo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > There's a great story about LucasArts and scummvm that I can't tell > quite yet, but I think you'll find LucasArts is more sympathetic than > you might expect. > > - Robin Actually, I've heard rumors and caught hints that LucasArts and some of its previous devs have helped out quite a bit with scummvm under the table (although I am not asserting these rumors to be true). I do appreciate this, but what we (the Linux/open-source community) NEED is for LucasArts to support Linux, or to at least donate some source so that we can do so, on their NEW pc game releases. It's great to play the old ones, and it's excellent that LucasArts may be helping support them on Linux, especially since Linux was not (or barely was) even a platform when most of them were released. Yet it's really only a token gesture if they don't make any effort to help out with their new products. Levi From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 15:56:17 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA01156 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:56:17 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA01140 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:56:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23683 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:56:15 -0500 Received: from mail.vasoftware.com (mail.vasoftware.com [198.186.202.175]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJKlikY011163 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:47:45 -0500 Received: from [24.92.204.98] (helo=roblimo.com) by mail.vasoftware.com with asmtp (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 18EFHX-0002eD-00 by VAauthid with fixed_plain for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:47:39 -0800 Message-ID: <3DDAA325.6020605@roblimo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:46:29 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <3DD92E1C.50406@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118134059.67fea9ed.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD991AF.2040609@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118225924.6b176e5e.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD9CF74.8010900@roblimo.com> <20021119145232.71c574cd.levi@bard.sytes.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.65.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > > what we (the Linux/open-source community) NEED is for LucasArts to support Linux, or to at least donate some source so that we can do so, on their NEW pc game releases. It's great to play the old ones, and it's excellent that LucasArts may be helping support them on Linux, especially since Linux was not (or barely was) even a platform when most of them were released. Yet it's really only a token gesture if they don't make any effort to help out with their new products. > A lot of people at LucasArts agree with you. Realize that many game companies use outside (proprietary) code in their products, plus there are trademark/copyright considerations, and effects on distributors, and so on. Then there's the market share factor. Yes, I know it's chicken/egg, but you need to face the fact that the Linux "recreational desktop" market is about 1/100 the size of the Windows one. And a game company donating source so you or whomever can make what amount to free copies of their bread and butter? This is going to happen about 3 days after "from each according to his means, to each according to his needs" becomes our dominant economic paridigm. Except somehow I doubt that computer games will be classified as much of a "need." The game developers will be reassigned to more useful work -- like filling potholes. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 16:27:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA01492 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:27:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA01481 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:27:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24075 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:27:04 -0500 Received: from mail.vasoftware.com (mail.vasoftware.com [198.186.202.175]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJLN8kY013590 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:23:09 -0500 Received: from [24.92.204.98] (helo=roblimo.com) by mail.vasoftware.com with asmtp (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 18EFpn-0000YV-00 by VAauthid with fixed_plain for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:23:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3DDAAB73.1010103@roblimo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:21:55 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Wed night Bradenton gathering References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <3DD92E1C.50406@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118134059.67fea9ed.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD991AF.2040609@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118225924.6b176e5e.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD9CF74.8010900@roblimo.com> <20021119145232.71c574cd.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DDAA325.6020605@roblimo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.65.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug So.... 6 p.m. or 1800 (your choice) Wednesday at my place in Bradenton. Them what shows, shows, them what doesn't, doesn't. Address = 206 52nd Ave. W. , Bradenton FL. Directions... From I75.... SR 70 West. SR 70 becomes 53rd Ave. Turn right (north) on 5th St. West (stop light and big sign). Turn right again on 52nd Ave. (not 52nd Ave Ct or Terr; you want plain 52nd Ave.) House numbers will descend. 206 is on your right; Blue Jeep Cherokee with MD plates & a small sailboat in the driveway. Park wherever.... From 14th St/Rt 41... East on 53d St. (Evac route signs, Shell station on corner), Turn left (north) on 5th St. West (stop light and big sign). Turn right again on 52nd Ave. (not 52nd Ave Ct or Terr; you want plain 52nd Ave.) House numbers will descend. 206 is on your right; Blue Jeep Cherokee with MD plates & a small sailboat in the driveway. Park wherever.... Get lost? My cell phone # is 410-215-2894. Topic is OSCommerce, a GPL catalog/ecommerce app, mostly becuse I'm hoping to get help installing it. The wireless network is open, plus 4 ports for CAT5 users. A reporter from the Weekly Planet is supposed to show, get a glimpse of those silly Linux crazies in their natural habitat. I do not plan to wear socks. - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 16:54:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA01737 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:54:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA01734 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:54:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24408 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:54:34 -0500 Received: from ns3.webmasters.com (ns3.webmasters.com [66.118.156.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAJLrtkY015654 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:53:55 -0500 Received: (qmail 3239 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2002 21:55:58 -0000 Received: from 6532163hfc227.tampabay.rr.com (HELO ?192.168.1.60?) (65.32.163.227) by 66.118.156.142 with SMTP; 19 Nov 2002 21:55:58 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion From: Andrew Wyatt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3DDAA325.6020605@roblimo.com> References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <3DD92E1C.50406@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118134059.67fea9ed.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD991AF.2040609@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118225924.6b176e5e.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD9CF74.8010900@roblimo.com> <20021119145232.71c574cd.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DDAA325.6020605@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1037742484.1093.4.camel@lattitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 19 Nov 2002 16:48:04 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Then there's the market share factor. Yes, I know it's chicken/egg, but > you need to face the fact that the Linux "recreational desktop" market > is about 1/100 the size of the Windows one. I don't believe the REAL numbers are that small, however I do believe that the perceived numbers are. It would be nice if there was a real method to count linux users, IE: All distributions should standardize on an optional totally anonymous "click here to be counted as a Linux desktop/server user" page post installation, perhaps using a third party counter site to register with. Only then would we have even a rough estimate of the real number of Linux users out there. -- Andrew Wyatt From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 18:00:56 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA02634 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:00:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA02631 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:00:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25314 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:00:55 -0500 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJMxvkY020360 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:59:57 -0500 Received: from 1cust245.tnt1.delaware.oh.da.uu.net ([65.238.28.245] helo=newross.rossberry.private) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18EHLO-00039y-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:59:47 -0800 Received: from localhost (jawildman@localhost) by newross.rossberry.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAJMxeS03144 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:59:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:59:39 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Wildman To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion In-Reply-To: <1037742484.1093.4.camel@lattitude> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The companies we are discussing (gaming software) have real numbers. It is called sales data and market research. They are not interested in how many Linux users there are; they want to know how many buyers there are. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP jim@rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com On 19 Nov 2002, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > > > Then there's the market share factor. Yes, I know it's chicken/egg, but > > you need to face the fact that the Linux "recreational desktop" market > > is about 1/100 the size of the Windows one. > > I don't believe the REAL numbers are that small, however I do believe > that the perceived numbers are. It would be nice if there was a real > method to count linux users, IE: All distributions should standardize on > an optional totally anonymous "click here to be counted as a Linux > desktop/server user" page post installation, perhaps using a third party > counter site to register with. Only then would we have even a rough > estimate of the real number of Linux users out there. > > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 18:07:36 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA02737 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:07:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA02734 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:07:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25412 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:07:36 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJN6PkY020891 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:06:25 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 6119E5E97 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:07:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:00:25 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion Message-Id: <20021119180025.4d43be7b.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <3DDAA325.6020605@roblimo.com> References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <3DD92E1C.50406@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118134059.67fea9ed.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD991AF.2040609@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118225924.6b176e5e.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD9CF74.8010900@roblimo.com> <20021119145232.71c574cd.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DDAA325.6020605@roblimo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > A lot of people at LucasArts agree with you. Realize that many game > companies use outside (proprietary) code in their products, plus there > are trademark/copyright considerations, and effects on distributors, and > so on. Yeah, I realize that - they're in the same boat as Sun there. > > Then there's the market share factor. Yes, I know it's chicken/egg, but > you need to face the fact that the Linux "recreational desktop" market > is about 1/100 the size of the Windows one. This is also, unfortunately, true. At Id, though, they seem to think that the Linux share is enough to at least break even on developer hours. > And a game company donating source so you or whomever can make what > amount to free copies of their bread and butter? This is going to > happen about 3 days after "from each according to his means, to each > according to his needs" becomes our dominant economic paridigm. That's why Loki was so great - companies could release source to Loki under an NDA or similar, so that the porting could be done, but yet the net wouldn't be covered with free copies (just illegal, binary ones). I wish more companies like Id would decide they're not too chicken to be the egg. Levi From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 18:36:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA04185 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:36:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA04168 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:36:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25811 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:36:36 -0500 Received: from ns3.webmasters.com (ns3.webmasters.com [66.118.156.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAJNYwkY022897 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:34:58 -0500 Received: (qmail 18351 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2002 23:37:18 -0000 Received: from 6532163hfc227.tampabay.rr.com (HELO ?192.168.1.60?) (65.32.163.227) by 66.118.156.142 with SMTP; 19 Nov 2002 23:37:18 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion From: Andrew Wyatt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1037748494.1424.4.camel@lattitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 19 Nov 2002 18:28:14 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 17:59, Jim Wildman wrote: > The companies we are discussing (gaming software) have real numbers. It > is called sales data and market research. They are not interested in > how many Linux users there are; they want to know how many buyers there > are. > Uhh yeaahh.. You can't just pull numbers out of your rear end. The gaming software companies do not have real numbers. There are no major Linux game developers because so far all we can do is pull estimates out of out butts. You can't perform any sort of market research without data, and that was what my idea would help provide. Sure, it's probably not the best idea out there, but at least it would provide more than anyone has today. -- Andrew Wyatt From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 18:56:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA04462 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:56:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA04459 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:56:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26065 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:56:45 -0500 Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAJNtUkY024268 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:55:30 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net (pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.65.151]) by mtaout06.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.5 (built Sep 23 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5U00LHTL4B7T@mtaout06.icomcast.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:55:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:55:16 -0500 From: Logan Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion In-reply-to: <1037742484.1093.4.camel@lattitude> To: SLUG Message-id: <1037750124.17909.4.camel@sirus> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-2yVJ2TGJ84rMPKLWvc57"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <3DD92E1C.50406@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118134059.67fea9ed.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD991AF.2040609@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118225924.6b176e5e.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD9CF74.8010900@roblimo.com> <20021119145232.71c574cd.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DDAA325.6020605@roblimo.com> <1037742484.1093.4.camel@lattitude> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-2yVJ2TGJ84rMPKLWvc57 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 16:48, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > It would be nice if there was a real > method to count linux users, IE: All distributions should standardize on > an optional totally anonymous "click here to be counted as a Linux > desktop/server user" page post installation, perhaps using a third party > counter site to register with. Only then would we have even a rough > estimate of the real number of Linux users out there. Forgive me if I am dense. Is this a third party counter site?!!? http://counter.li.org/ The Logan --=20 18:50:02 up 119 days, 11:24, 1 user, load average: 0.19, 0.60, 0.84 Your reasoning is excellent -- it's only your basic assumptions that are wrong. Registered Linux User 277727 ICQ 72101412 --=-2yVJ2TGJ84rMPKLWvc57 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA92s9j3OecGqSbkyMRAhwNAKDCw92yLKmkm+DrGi7zWGsfVCK4twCeMfJc RpHpf86I5mkEIHlxqnwol+0= =V635 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-2yVJ2TGJ84rMPKLWvc57-- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 19:16:36 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA04800 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:16:36 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA04797 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:16:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26342 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:16:35 -0500 Received: from mail.vasoftware.com (mail.vasoftware.com [198.186.202.175]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAK0FakY025692 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:15:36 -0500 Received: from [24.92.204.98] (helo=roblimo.com) by mail.vasoftware.com with asmtp (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 18EIWg-0006mC-00 by VAauthid with fixed_plain for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:15:30 -0800 Message-ID: <3DDAD3DE.7040107@roblimo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:14:22 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <3DD92E1C.50406@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118134059.67fea9ed.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD991AF.2040609@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118225924.6b176e5e.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD9CF74.8010900@roblimo.com> <20021119145232.71c574cd.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DDAA325.6020605@roblimo.com> <1037742484.1093.4.camel@lattitude> <1037750124.17909.4.camel@sirus> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.65.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > >Forgive me if I am dense. Is this a third party counter site?!!? >http://counter.li.org/ > Sure is. I'm user #146311 - Robin From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 19:19:16 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA04812 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:19:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA04809 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:19:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26369 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:19:15 -0500 Received: from ns3.webmasters.com (ns3.webmasters.com [66.118.156.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAK0IikY025899 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:18:44 -0500 Received: (qmail 24279 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2002 00:21:05 -0000 Received: from 6532163hfc227.tampabay.rr.com (HELO ?192.168.1.60?) (65.32.163.227) by 66.118.156.142 with SMTP; 20 Nov 2002 00:21:05 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion From: Andrew Wyatt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1037750124.17909.4.camel@sirus> References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <3DD92E1C.50406@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118134059.67fea9ed.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD991AF.2040609@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118225924.6b176e5e.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD9CF74.8010900@roblimo.com> <20021119145232.71c574cd.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DDAA325.6020605@roblimo.com> <1037742484.1093.4.camel@lattitude> <1037750124.17909.4.camel@sirus> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1037751077.3042.1.camel@lattitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 19 Nov 2002 19:11:18 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Forgive me if I am dense. Is this a third party counter site?!!? > http://counter.li.org/ > > The Logan Yes, actually I was thinking of a revamped counter.li.org as I composed the message. :-) -- Andrew Wyatt From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 19:36:27 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA05122 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:36:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA05111 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:36:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26634 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:36:26 -0500 Received: from ns3.webmasters.com (ns3.webmasters.com [66.118.156.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAK0Z7kY027019 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:35:07 -0500 Received: (qmail 26602 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2002 00:37:27 -0000 Received: from 6532163hfc227.tampabay.rr.com (HELO ?192.168.1.60?) (65.32.163.227) by 66.118.156.142 with SMTP; 20 Nov 2002 00:37:27 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion From: Andrew Wyatt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <3DDAD3DE.7040107@roblimo.com> References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <3DD92E1C.50406@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118134059.67fea9ed.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD991AF.2040609@tampabay.rr.com> <20021118225924.6b176e5e.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DD9CF74.8010900@roblimo.com> <20021119145232.71c574cd.levi@bard.sytes.net> <3DDAA325.6020605@roblimo.com> <1037742484.1093.4.camel@lattitude> <1037750124.17909.4.camel@sirus> <3DDAD3DE.7040107@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1037752048.3041.3.camel@lattitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 19 Nov 2002 19:27:29 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug #126044 ;-) On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 19:14, Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > > > > > >Forgive me if I am dense. Is this a third party counter site?!!? > >http://counter.li.org/ > > > Sure is. I'm user #146311 > > - Robin -- Andrew Wyatt From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 19:36:56 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA05142 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:36:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA05139 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:36:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26639 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:36:55 -0500 Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAK0ZekY027053 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:35:40 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net (pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.65.151]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.5 (built Sep 23 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H5U00MFRMZAYO@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:35:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:35:34 -0500 From: Logan Subject: [SLUG] Was:"My distro beat up your distro" Games. In-reply-to: To: SLUG Message-id: <1037752535.17912.44.camel@sirus> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-vxkx0JjAq1pPRMHq2ItN"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-vxkx0JjAq1pPRMHq2ItN Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 17:59, Jim Wildman wrote: > The companies we are discussing (gaming software) have real numbers. It > is called sales data and market research. They are not interested in > how many Linux users there are; they want to know how many buyers there > are. I must say, I purchased, "Heroes of Might and Magic III," and, "Civilization a Call to Power," from Loki. I enjoyed the previous versions of Heroes on windoze and I still enjoy pretty much all civilization building games (yep, this is coming from a 36 year old man! heh.) I enjoy being slaughtered by FreeCiv on pretty much a weekendly basis (been playing since 1996 and can't beat it as the only human player -- me against five other computer players.) Anyway, I thought buying those games, back then, with my soldier's paycheck, was a cool way to support Linux. =20 I was bummed when I found out Loki was severely mismanaged. I hate to lay blame, or pass the buck, but Loki had the chance to set the example and they blew it. I sent multiple emails to Blizzard asking when they would port various games and Loki, finally, was able to port Heroes. I am sure others did the same. Now, I think other gaming companies will be leary of Linux thanks to Loki. Back in the "old" days O' Linux, (94-95) I was hoping, "Steve Jackson Games" or "Avalon Hill," would lead the way, but later, Loki picked up the ball and I supported them. Now, in game reflection, from "Pong" to Sony Playstation II and what have you, I believe games are more enjoyable on systems made to play only games, as it is their primary focus. My own opinion of computer games is games like NetHack, text games (Zork still rocks, long live the Commodore 64!) solitare, their ilk and the like, are fine for workstation enjoyment, no matter the OS. The "Super Games," as I have no words to define them or their 3D scope, are better left to gaming systems. Of course, you all might consider me old and crabby, as I am no "hardcore" game and use Linux for desktops home and at work and to run print/file/web servers for small to medium sized businesses. And finally, I could just be wrong. Cheers, The Logan --=20 18:55:01 up 119 days, 11:29, 1 user, load average: 0.25, 0.39, 0.67 Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. -- Mark Twain Registered Linux User 277727 ICQ 72101412 --=-vxkx0JjAq1pPRMHq2ItN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA92tjW3OecGqSbkyMRAo21AKCZf0ZR048/dsb+OcisszUyzWJASgCfXgdW Bk8qw6cIKGsib/HwaP9Iv14= =Osyr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-vxkx0JjAq1pPRMHq2ItN-- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 19 20:36:42 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA07737 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:36:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA07724 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:36:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27312 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:36:40 -0500 Received: from hank.mjudge.net (adsl-21-238-213.mco.bellsouth.net [66.21.238.213]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAK1YvkY030997 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:34:57 -0500 Received: from beavis.mjudge.net (beavis.mjudge.net [192.168.1.2]) by hank.mjudge.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gAK1YpP28681 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:34:51 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian Coyle Organization: CHAOS -- That's a level of organization, isn't it? To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "My distro beat up your distro" discussion Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:34:49 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <1037629640.25321.4.camel@genoa> <3DDAD3DE.7040107@roblimo.com> <1037752048.3041.3.camel@lattitude> In-Reply-To: <1037752048.3041.3.camel@lattitude> X-Reply-Content-Type: No HTML Mail, please! Send plain text. X-GPG-Fingerprint: AE1C 123A 1153 8A63 E8A9 FAEA 111D CCB8 7527 701B X-Message-flag: This has been a test of the M$ Outlook virus system... Had this been an actual virus, you'd have been... Well, toast. MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02111920344902.00993@beavis.mjudge.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 19 November 2002 19:27, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > #126044 ;-) > > On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 19:14, Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > > >Forgive me if I am dense. Is this a third party counter site?!!? > > >http://counter.li.org/ > > > > Sure is. I'm user #146311 > > > > - Robin Do we really have to go thru this again? ;) http://slugarchives.nks.net/List/slug.archive.0209/0567.html - -- - -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GAT/CM$ d-@ s:++ a42 C+++$ ULSH++++$ P+>++ L++>+++ E- W++$ N+ w$ O- M- V Y+ PGP t@ 5+@ X+@ R- tv(-)@ b+++ DI++++ D+ e(+) h---- r+++ y++++ - -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Brian Coyle, GCIA http://www.giac.org/GCIA.php iD8DBQE92ua7ER3MuHUncBsRAmeRAJ0ZNOzGg17+z7UOX+E54iAyQsoD6QCdFZgL yvL0XP0nYUDrV2jWILPew38= =zw5R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 20 13:22:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA20563 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:22:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA20560 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:22:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06938 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:22:42 -0500 Received: from tlh601.lfrg-tlh (x.electronet.net [216.173.169.162] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAKIM2kY001621 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:22:18 -0500 Received: from [10.10.12.101] (10.10.12.101 [10.10.12.101]) by tlh601.lfrg-tlh with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id 41PBXCF7; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:11:57 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] Do typical Linux based mail systems offer restoration of individual mailboxes from tape, to the line server? From: John Clay To: South- Florida Linux Users Group Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 20 Nov 2002 13:21:55 -0500 Message-Id: <1037816519.3588.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Do typical Linux based email systems support restoration of individual mailboxes and mail messages? I've just discovered (the hard way) that Exchange 5.5 doesn't. It appears that the entire message database must be restored to a "recovery server" and then the desired mailbox must be exported for importation into the the production server. Tell me it 'aint so in the Linux/Unix world. Thanks John Clay Tallahassee, FL From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 20 13:51:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA20799 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:51:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA20795 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:51:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07235 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:51:22 -0500 Received: from gandalf.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-21.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.21] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAKIo7kY003428 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:50:07 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.0.50.20]) by gandalf.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA04191 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:49:34 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA10260 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:49:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] Do typical Linux based mail systems offer restoration of individual mailboxes from tape, to the line server? From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <1037816519.3588.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1037816519.3588.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Wlu7ue5AQHspddVd6f0i" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 20 Nov 2002 13:49:34 -0500 Message-Id: <1037818174.17495.24.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-Wlu7ue5AQHspddVd6f0i Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 13:21, John Clay wrote: > Do typical Linux based email systems support restoration of individual > mailboxes and mail messages? I've just discovered (the hard way) that > Exchange 5.5 doesn't. It appears that the entire message database must > be restored to a "recovery server" and then the desired mailbox must be > exported for importation into the the production server. Tell me it > 'aint so in the Linux/Unix world. Obviously, this depends on what type of mail storage is implemented. On simple POP3 and IMAP servers, each mailbox is stored separately in either a mailbox spool or in a user's home directory. In response to your Exchange 5.5 statement, individual mailboxes can be backed in a "bricks" level backup. I personally know that both Arcserve and Veritas backup support "bricks" level backups with Exchange 5.5. Check out the following links about "brick" backups in Exchange: http://www.google.com/search?q=3Dexchange+5.5+brick+backup http://www.google.com/search?q=3Dexchange+5.5+bricks+backup --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 -- An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly. --=-Wlu7ue5AQHspddVd6f0i Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA929k+IomZUAi8ewYRArJsAJ9t8aGgYPawlzSjE4lRiqTF6so9KQCfVSEN YQu8ywrB56BAocKMJ/eZbZw= =C4Ac -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Wlu7ue5AQHspddVd6f0i-- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 20 13:58:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA20888 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:58:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA20885 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:58:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07315 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:58:22 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAKIvjkY003891 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:57:45 -0500 Received: (qmail 22284 invoked by uid 508); 20 Nov 2002 18:57:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.148.96) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 20 Nov 2002 18:57:20 -0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=jcopenha) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 18Ea1w-0003nw-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:56:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:56:55 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-Sender: To: South- Florida Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [SLUG] Do typical Linux based mail systems offer restoration of individual mailboxes from tape, to the line server? In-Reply-To: <1037816519.3588.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug yes.. you can.. I keep all my mail in ~/mail/ then each mail folder is a file in that directory.. all the emails in a folder are contained in one file Jason On 20 Nov 2002, John Clay wrote: > Do typical Linux based email systems support restoration of individual > mailboxes and mail messages? I've just discovered (the hard way) that > Exchange 5.5 doesn't. It appears that the entire message database must > be restored to a "recovery server" and then the desired mailbox must be > exported for importation into the the production server. Tell me it > 'aint so in the Linux/Unix world. > > Thanks > John Clay > Tallahassee, FL > > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 20 14:34:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA21407 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:34:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA21399 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:34:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07769 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:34:32 -0500 Received: from tlh601.lfrg-tlh (x.electronet.net [216.173.169.162] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAKJXYkY006336 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:33:34 -0500 Received: from [10.10.12.101] (10.10.12.101 [10.10.12.101]) by tlh601.lfrg-tlh with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id 41PBXCGT; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:23:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Do typical Linux based mail systems offer restoration of individual mailboxes from tape, to the line server? From: John Clay To: South- Florida Linux Users Group In-Reply-To: <1037818174.17495.24.camel@menix> References: <1037818174.17495.24.camel@menix> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 20 Nov 2002 14:33:37 -0500 Message-Id: <1037820821.3626.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks folks, for all the feeback. This morning I discovered that Veritas Backup Exec., which we use, can provide bricks level backup but, as you have guessed already, our system wasn't so configured. That's changing rapidly but based on the replys to my message it sure looks like it's much simpler under Linux. If I understand correctly a backup that included the mailbox file would simply require one to grab it off of the tape and deposit it in the users home dir. If the person had deleted his entire mailbox, as was the case for me, it would be a 5 min affair that wouldn't require the Backup Exec. Exchange Agent @ $500 a pop. Am I straight on this? John Clay On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 13:49, Matt Miller wrote: > On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 13:21, John Clay wrote: > > Do typical Linux based email systems support restoration of individual > > mailboxes and mail messages? I've just discovered (the hard way) that > > Exchange 5.5 doesn't. It appears that the entire message database must > > be restored to a "recovery server" and then the desired mailbox must > be > > exported for importation into the the production server. Tell me it > > 'aint so in the Linux/Unix world. > > Obviously, this depends on what type of mail storage is implemented. On > simple POP3 and IMAP servers, each mailbox is stored separately in > either a mailbox spool or in a user's home directory. > In response to your Exchange 5.5 statement, individual mailboxes can be > backed in a "bricks" level backup. I personally know that both Arcserve > and Veritas backup support "bricks" level backups with Exchange 5.5. > Check out the following links about "brick" backups in Exchange: > http://www.google.com/search?q=exchange+5.5+brick+backup > http://www.google.com/search?q=exchange+5.5+bricks+backup > > -- > > Matt Miller > Systems Administrator > MP TotalCare > gpg public key id: > 08BC7B06 > > -- An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 20 15:03:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA21710 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:03:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA21702 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:03:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08116 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:03:12 -0500 Received: from gandalf.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-21.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.21] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAKK27kY008236 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:02:08 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.0.50.20]) by gandalf.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA04772 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:01:09 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA10282 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:01:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] Do typical Linux based mail systems offer restoration of individual mailboxes from tape, to the line server? From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <1037820821.3626.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1037818174.17495.24.camel@menix> <1037820821.3626.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-GuceoeZEM+BpInt3122O" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 20 Nov 2002 15:01:09 -0500 Message-Id: <1037822469.17529.32.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-GuceoeZEM+BpInt3122O Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 14:33, John Clay wrote: > Thanks folks, for all the feeback. >=20 > This morning I discovered that Veritas Backup Exec., which we use, can > provide bricks level backup but, as you have guessed already, our system > wasn't so configured. That's changing rapidly but based on the replys to > my message it sure looks like it's much simpler under Linux. If I > understand correctly a backup that included the mailbox file would > simply require one to grab it off of the tape and deposit it in the > users home dir. If the person had deleted his entire mailbox, as was the > case for me, it would be a 5 min affair that wouldn't require the Backup > Exec. Exchange Agent @ $500 a pop. Am I straight on this? Yes, with basic *nix mail servers, the mail is usually stored in a user or spool directory, so replacing a mailbox is as simple as replacing one or a few files. Any type of groupware mail server implementation is much more complicated. --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 -- An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly. --=-GuceoeZEM+BpInt3122O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA92+oEIomZUAi8ewYRAg4XAJ9D0NbWa7/PXJnguyJM6DqhxOFfOQCeJf8F zWFxMTyK3LZSupNZ412WirE= =p0b+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-GuceoeZEM+BpInt3122O-- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 20 21:52:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA25919 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:52:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA25915 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:52:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12168 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:52:13 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAL2pRkY001977 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:51:27 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18EhR3-000341-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:51:21 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18EhQQ-0002Cf-00 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:50:42 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] APC PowerChute for Linux - Has anyone used it with their UPS? Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:50:40 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <1037720764.4126.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1037720764.4126.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e760e77a8a3b6ecc86277ede7f4c390d4ff350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nope. I have it, though. :-) The way mine works is it has USB on one end, and ether on the other, and then there the software....first, because there's no kernel driver for that device in the 2.2.x kernels, I can't use it. Second, because the software from UPS is (mostly) proprietary, and designed only to run on x86 boxen, I can't use it. Now, there are debian-powerpc packages available, but they only talk serial, which my UPS doesn't have...and if it did, it probably wouldn't be the Mac variety of serial anyway. SO.....I still have it, and it still keeps my machine from shutting down on every little power spike, but after 5-15 minutes of no power, it's just as bad as having nothing at all.... ugh. Russell On Tuesday 19 November 2002 10:45 am, you wrote: > I'm trying to get PowerChute Business Edition (PBE) operational on a > linux box and am having some problems. The getting started guide notes > four installation steps: > > 1) Install the PBE Agent on all UPS protected computers > 2) Install the PBE Server on one of the UPS protected computers > 3) Install the PBE Console on any computer from which you wish to > administer the software > 4) Add UPS systems > > I found pbeagent-6.1.0-1.i386.rpm on the APC site and installed it. That > sure looks like the agent software and seemed to take care of number 1. > My problem is that I can't find anything that remotely looks like the > server software on the APC site. > > If any of you have experience with this process and know how to complete > the installation I'd be grateful for a nudge in the right direction. > > Thanks Much > > John Clay > Tallahassee, FL - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE93EoBAqKGrvVshJQRAto8AKDnUCRFRf2FC6dW3ozjeDMWHuhXTgCfWjSk EhygKL8QDiQ/S0sF08miHSY= =3dV+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 07:18:39 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA31679 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:18:39 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA31676 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:18:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18402 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:18:39 -0500 Received: from tlh601.lfrg-tlh (x.electronet.net [216.173.169.162] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gALCIDkY007016 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:18:13 -0500 Received: from [10.10.12.101] (10.10.12.101 [10.10.12.101]) by tlh601.lfrg-tlh with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id 41PBXC2B; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:08:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] APC PowerChute for Linux - apcupsd (daemon) instead! From: John Clay To: South- Florida Linux Users Group In-Reply-To: References: <1037720764.4126.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 21 Nov 2002 07:18:14 -0500 Message-Id: <1037881099.4194.116.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi Russell & Group; I found a Linux UPS power management deamon (apcupsd) that you might be interested in. I've loaded it on one of my Linux boxes, modified the straightforward config file and it shuts my system down gracefully in the event of a power loss. I haven't tried to use any of the graphics or connect it to an APC "Share Server" unit (connects servers to the master ups server so as to shutdown all servers @ power loss) yet but will do so soon. I've aborted further use of PowerChute. Check it out. Comprehensive manual. www.sibbald.com/apcupsd John Clay Tallahassee, FL On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 21:50, Russell Hires wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Nope. I have it, though. :-) The way mine works is it has USB on one end, and > ether on the other, and then there the software....first, because there's no > kernel driver for that device in the 2.2.x kernels, I can't use it. Second, > because the software from UPS is (mostly) proprietary, and designed only to > run on x86 boxen, I can't use it. Now, there are debian-powerpc packages > available, but they only talk serial, which my UPS doesn't have...and if it > did, it probably wouldn't be the Mac variety of serial anyway. SO.....I still > have it, and it still keeps my machine from shutting down on every little > power spike, but after 5-15 minutes of no power, it's just as bad as having > nothing at all.... ugh. > > Russell > > On Tuesday 19 November 2002 10:45 am, you wrote: > > I'm trying to get PowerChute Business Edition (PBE) operational on a > > linux box and am having some problems. The getting started guide notes > > four installation steps: > > > > 1) Install the PBE Agent on all UPS protected computers > > 2) Install the PBE Server on one of the UPS protected computers > > 3) Install the PBE Console on any computer from which you wish to > > administer the software > > 4) Add UPS systems > > > > I found pbeagent-6.1.0-1.i386.rpm on the APC site and installed it. That > > sure looks like the agent software and seemed to take care of number 1. > > My problem is that I can't find anything that remotely looks like the > > server software on the APC site. > > > > If any of you have experience with this process and know how to complete > > the installation I'd be grateful for a nudge in the right direction. > > > > Thanks Much > > > > John Clay > > Tallahassee, FL > > - -- > Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE93EoBAqKGrvVshJQRAto8AKDnUCRFRf2FC6dW3ozjeDMWHuhXTgCfWjSk > EhygKL8QDiQ/S0sF08miHSY= > =3dV+ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 08:18:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA32179 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:18:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA32172 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:18:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18943 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:18:29 -0500 Received: from bigcan2.rapidsys.com (tincan.rapidsys.com [209.84.253.13] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gALDHokY010789 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:17:50 -0500 Received: by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:17:44 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([216.202.125.224]) by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id W0WP9KYZ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:17:42 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([192.168.0.5]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALCN8g09530 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:23:08 -0500 From: Mike Manchester To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] DNS hosting Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-6) Date: 21 Nov 2002 08:19:15 -0500 Message-Id: <1037884755.16485.13.camel@cpt> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Can anyone advise me on a inexpensive DNS to register my domain name with. I have a domain name and I'm looking for a DNS service to use. I have my domain registered with godaddy and they don't supply a DNS service. So since my domain name is about to expire I was wondering if anyone knows where I can register/transfer my domain name that might have a DNS service. I would prefer to keep the domain name and DNS entries in one place, but cost is also a factor. Thanks Mike M. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 09:16:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA32630 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:16:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA32627 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:16:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19488 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:16:31 -0500 Received: from spanky.onsyd.com (tamqfl1-ar3-4-64-048-131.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net [4.64.48.131]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gALEG6kY014433 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:16:06 -0500 Received: from naiad.mdmgr.net (tpa-inet-01.mdmgr.com [208.44.21.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by spanky.onsyd.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gALEFwel023650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:15:59 -0500 From: Syd Alsobrook To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DNS hosting Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:15:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.7 References: <1037884755.16485.13.camel@cpt> In-Reply-To: <1037884755.16485.13.camel@cpt> X-NSA-Trigger: Plutonium President kill infiltrate Fissionable weapons grade NSA CIA (Have a Nice Day) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200211210915.40749.syd@ittagteam.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 21 November 2002 08:19, Mike Manchester wrote: > Can anyone advise me on a inexpensive DNS to register my domain name > with. I have a domain name and I'm looking for a DNS service to use. I > have my domain registered with godaddy and they don't supply a DNS > service. So since my domain name is about to expire I was wondering if > anyone knows where I can register/transfer my domain name that might > have a DNS service. I would prefer to keep the domain name and DNS > entries in one place, but cost is also a factor. > > Thanks > Mike M. Network solutions may be the most expensive but they do have solid DNS. The last time I registered with then you could get 3 years for $60. Syd -- ----------- Protect your privacy. http://www.epic.org http://www.gnupg.org From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 09:20:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA32674 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:20:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA32671 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:20:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19534 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:20:20 -0500 Received: from tlh601.lfrg-tlh (x.electronet.net [216.173.169.162] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gALEJRkY014670 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:19:27 -0500 Received: from [10.10.12.101] (10.10.12.101 [10.10.12.101]) by tlh601.lfrg-tlh with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id 41PBXC2L; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:09:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Do typical Linux based mail systems offer restoration of individual mailboxes from tape, to the line server? From: John Clay To: South- Florida Linux Users Group In-Reply-To: <1037822469.17529.32.camel@menix> References: <1037822469.17529.32.camel@menix> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 21 Nov 2002 09:19:28 -0500 Message-Id: <1037888373.4194.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 15:01, Matt Miller wrote: > > Yes, with basic *nix mail servers, the mail is usually stored in a user > or spool directory, so replacing a mailbox is as simple as replacing one > or a few files. > Any type of groupware mail server implementation is much more > complicated. > -- > Which Linux groupware mail servers do 'yall use/recommend? From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 09:25:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA32731 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:25:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA32728 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:25:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19591 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:25:00 -0500 Received: from gandalf.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-21.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.21] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gALEO7kY014964 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:24:07 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.0.50.20]) by gandalf.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA11235 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:23:51 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA13060 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:23:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] DNS hosting From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <1037884755.16485.13.camel@cpt> References: <1037884755.16485.13.camel@cpt> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-BNHUayOKx5ggfpffni4y" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 21 Nov 2002 09:23:50 -0500 Message-Id: <1037888631.17495.49.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-BNHUayOKx5ggfpffni4y Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 08:19, Mike Manchester wrote: > Can anyone advise me on a inexpensive DNS to register my domain name > with. I have a domain name and I'm looking for a DNS service to use. I > have my domain registered with godaddy and they don't supply a DNS > service. So since my domain name is about to expire I was wondering if > anyone knows where I can register/transfer my domain name that might > have a DNS service. I would prefer to keep the domain name and DNS > entries in one place, but cost is also a factor. >=20 I've used http://www.inexpensivedomains.com/ for a couple of years now. I believe the registration cost is ~$15/month. I believe they do DNS hosting as well. --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 -- An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly. --=-BNHUayOKx5ggfpffni4y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA93Ox2IomZUAi8ewYRAo1AAKCB5clt2XeSjikzLByPltUzxqNKeACghzup YTo+1SAny/yRp23V0udWP7Y= =RbOj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-BNHUayOKx5ggfpffni4y-- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 09:35:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA00357 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:35:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA00354 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:35:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19687 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:35:10 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gALEYNkY015663 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:34:23 -0500 Received: (qmail 1972 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2002 14:34:18 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2002 14:34:18 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:34:15 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] Video Cards Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:28:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c2916a$551cd8f0$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <200211210915.40749.syd@ittagteam.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I am running a Dell Optiplex GX260 and have it dual booted between W2K and RH 8.0. The video on the Linux side is not acceptable because of a 2" band of gibberish across the screen about 2/3 the way down the screen. I ma looking to put another video card in and need a recommendation from someone who may have a similar situation. The video chip in the Dell is a BrooksDale -G Chipset integrated graphics device. Redhat see everything as an intel 845. Linux probes and uses the intel i810 driver which must be corrupt or does not work with the Dell M-782 monitor. But then I tried it with a Dell M 781p monitor and got the same response. Changing the driver does not help the situation at all,, just makes everything unuseable. Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 09:38:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA00417 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:38:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA00414 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:38:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19739 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:38:31 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-20.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.20] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gALEc6kY015912 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:38:06 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.0.50.20]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA05169 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:37:46 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA13082 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:37:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] Do typical Linux based mail systems offer restoration of individual mailboxes from tape, to the line server? From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <1037888373.4194.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1037822469.17529.32.camel@menix> <1037888373.4194.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-jYgoln/hosWOXY6bqp9d" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 21 Nov 2002 09:37:46 -0500 Message-Id: <1037889466.17495.51.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-jYgoln/hosWOXY6bqp9d Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 09:19, John Clay wrote: > Which Linux groupware mail servers do 'yall use/recommend? Checkout Bynari Insight Server: http://www.bynari.net/ --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 -- An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly. --=-jYgoln/hosWOXY6bqp9d Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA93O+5IomZUAi8ewYRApAqAKCO7ZeheTMThG4COTVBW2mdtOvejACdHbDB aczXe87bIyaW7ccrQ9Gn2eE= =C0Sn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-jYgoln/hosWOXY6bqp9d-- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 09:48:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA00530 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:48:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA00527 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:48:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19855 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:48:40 -0500 Received: from glennmeyer.com (1078171.inter-linc.com [12.10.78.171]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gALElkkY016519 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:47:47 -0500 Received: from glennmeyer.com (main [192.168.0.3]) by glennmeyer.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALElQP12487 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:47:26 -0600 Message-ID: <3DDCF1FD.1050706@glennmeyer.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:47:25 -0600 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DNS hosting References: <1037884755.16485.13.camel@cpt> <1037888631.17495.49.camel@menix> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I use www.zoneedit.com It's free and has worked very well for me. Matt Miller wrote: > On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 08:19, Mike Manchester wrote: > >>Can anyone advise me on a inexpensive DNS to register my domain name >>with. I have a domain name and I'm looking for a DNS service to use. I >>have my domain registered with godaddy and they don't supply a DNS >>service. So since my domain name is about to expire I was wondering if >>anyone knows where I can register/transfer my domain name that might >>have a DNS service. I would prefer to keep the domain name and DNS >>entries in one place, but cost is also a factor. >> > > > I've used http://www.inexpensivedomains.com/ for a couple of years now. > I believe the registration cost is ~$15/month. I believe they do DNS > hosting as well. > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 09:50:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA00541 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:50:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA00537 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:50:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19874 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:50:00 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gALEnLkY016629 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:49:21 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA06219 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:48:19 -0500 Message-ID: <008001c2916c$1a1d79b0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: <000001c2916a$551cd8f0$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Video Cards Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:41:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug you might want to search or ask the Dell linux list. (http://lists.us.dell.com/) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mikes work account" To: Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:28 AM Subject: [SLUG] Video Cards > I am running a Dell Optiplex GX260 and have it dual booted between W2K > and RH 8.0. The video on the Linux side is not acceptable because of a > 2" band of gibberish across the screen about 2/3 the way down the > screen. > > I ma looking to put another video card in and need a recommendation from > someone who may have a similar situation. > > The video chip in the Dell is a BrooksDale -G Chipset integrated > graphics device. Redhat see everything as an intel 845. Linux probes > and uses the intel i810 driver which must be corrupt or does not work > with the Dell M-782 monitor. But then I tried it with a Dell M 781p > monitor and got the same response. > > Changing the driver does not help the situation at all,, just makes > everything unuseable. > > Michael C. Rock > Systems Analyst > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 09:52:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA00565 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:52:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA00557 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:52:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19896 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:52:01 -0500 Received: from gandalf.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-21.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.21] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gALEo7kY016682 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:50:07 -0500 Received: from rufus.mptotalcare.com (rufus.mptotalcare.com [10.0.50.21]) by gandalf.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA11511 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:48:59 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by rufus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA13233 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:48:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rufus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: Re: [SLUG] DNS hosting From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <200211210915.40749.syd@ittagteam.com> References: <1037884755.16485.13.camel@cpt> <200211210915.40749.syd@ittagteam.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-fbNNoL8CchAAj2fLWCpf" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 21 Nov 2002 09:48:58 -0500 Message-Id: <1037890138.17529.63.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-fbNNoL8CchAAj2fLWCpf Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 09:15, Syd Alsobrook wrote: > Network solutions may be the most expensive but they do have solid DNS. T= he=20 > last time I registered with then you could get 3 years for $60. Do you mean Verisign (NetSol no longer exists)? Verisign has been accused of many transgressions including deceptive practices. There are many documented cases of people inadvertently transferring registration to Verisign as well as people having difficulties transferring domains away from Verisign. I would personally steer people away from Verisign for the same reasons I would steer people away from Microsoft. http://www.google.com/search?hl=3Den&lr=3D&ie=3DISO-8859-1&safe=3Doff&q=3Dv= erisign+domain+deceptive+practices http://www.domainscams.com/ http://www.google.com/search?hl=3Den&lr=3D&ie=3DISO-8859-1&safe=3Doff&q=3Dv= erisign+domain+difficulties --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 -- An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly. --=-fbNNoL8CchAAj2fLWCpf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA93PJaIomZUAi8ewYRAoklAJ4zzDg/7zRd9vJmlTNA2alNv75LyQCdHu25 NGxkWERTNj8cWhjEvFNTL3Y= =vTZf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-fbNNoL8CchAAj2fLWCpf-- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 10:11:42 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA00800 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:11:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA00785 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:11:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20129 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:11:41 -0500 Received: from spanky.onsyd.com (tamqfl1-ar3-4-64-048-131.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net [4.64.48.131]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gALFA0kY018013 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:10:00 -0500 Received: from naiad.mdmgr.net (tpa-inet-01.mdmgr.com [208.44.21.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by spanky.onsyd.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gALF9qel024270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:09:54 -0500 From: Syd Alsobrook To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DNS hosting Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:09:34 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.7 References: <1037884755.16485.13.camel@cpt> <200211210915.40749.syd@ittagteam.com> <1037890138.17529.63.camel@menix> In-Reply-To: <1037890138.17529.63.camel@menix> X-NSA-Trigger: Plutonium President kill infiltrate Fissionable weapons grade NSA CIA (Have a Nice Day) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200211211009.34796.syd@ittagteam.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thursday 21 November 2002 09:48, Matt Miller wrote: > On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 09:15, Syd Alsobrook wrote: > > Network solutions may be the most expensive but they do have solid DNS. > > The last time I registered with then you could get 3 years for $60. > > Do you mean Verisign (NetSol no longer exists)? Verisign has been > accused of many transgressions including deceptive practices. There are > many documented cases of people inadvertently transferring registration > to Verisign as well as people having difficulties transferring domains > away from Verisign. I would personally steer people away from Verisign > for the same reasons I would steer people away from Microsoft. As much as I agree with your opinion of Microsoft and Varisign is a bunch of slack rat bastards, I have been using them since 1997 and have personally not experienced any problem that was not my own doing. -- ----------- Protect your privacy. http://www.epic.org http://www.gnupg.org From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 10:15:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA00843 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:15:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA00840 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:15:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20173 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:15:10 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gALFEpkY018333 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:14:51 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Et2T-0003JN-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:14:45 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Et1p-0002mk-00 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:14:05 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DNS hosting Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:14:03 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <1037884755.16485.13.camel@cpt> In-Reply-To: <1037884755.16485.13.camel@cpt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e76178b38f12947b2211d5a86476f331c6e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes! http://www.godaddy.com/ $8.95/year, with discounts for going longer than that. HTH Russell On Thursday 21 November 2002 08:19 am, you wrote: > Can anyone advise me on a inexpensive DNS to register my domain name > with. I have a domain name and I'm looking for a DNS service to use. I > have my domain registered with godaddy and they don't supply a DNS > service. So since my domain name is about to expire I was wondering if > anyone knows where I can register/transfer my domain name that might > have a DNS service. I would prefer to keep the domain name and DNS > entries in one place, but cost is also a factor. > > Thanks > Mike M. - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE93Pg8AqKGrvVshJQRAgv2AJ4i0e+ptzACQnbFr8lvCqfxy2NcOQCgnZb8 amOUZIwTJx15g8A1o1qfbPQ= =uMg+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 10:32:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA01011 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:32:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA01008 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:32:24 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20345 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:32:24 -0500 Received: from nks.net (prelude.nks.net [192.168.9.52]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA17335 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:32:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3DDCFC86.6B64FD45@nks.net> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:32:22 -0500 From: Eric Bravick Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18-xfs-1.1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DNS hosting References: <1037884755.16485.13.camel@cpt> <200211210915.40749.syd@ittagteam.com> <1037890138.17529.63.camel@menix> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have to agree with this. I've been in the domain name registration game since before the commercialization of the system, and NetSol (now Verisign) is absolutely one of the most evil, despicable companies existing in the world today. Verisign was only marginally better, so that was a marriage made in Hell (on the 9th plane, by at LEAST Baalzebul, 2nd lieutenant of Lucifer himself.) In fact, on my "companies that must die" list, Verisign is actually HIGHER on the list (i.e. more destructive to the public good) than Microsoft. Verisign is the direct source of almost every despicable domain name registration scheme going. We do a lot of domain name registration and DNS aggregation for companies (contact registration@nks.net) if you are looking for someone local that has a lot of DNS expertise, but we aren't going to beat GoDaddy price wise. Not our market. I would check out GoDaddy.com and if that is everything you want, they are probably the low price leader, and not TOO evil. If you're into something with a little more service, use us or one of the other little ISP' on the SLUG list. I know there are several here that would take the business, and are all SLUG supporters in one way or another. Matt Miller wrote: > > On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 09:15, Syd Alsobrook wrote: > > Network solutions may be the most expensive but they do have solid DNS. The > > last time I registered with then you could get 3 years for $60. > > Do you mean Verisign (NetSol no longer exists)? Verisign has been > accused of many transgressions including deceptive practices. There are > many documented cases of people inadvertently transferring registration > to Verisign as well as people having difficulties transferring domains > away from Verisign. I would personally steer people away from Verisign > for the same reasons I would steer people away from Microsoft. > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=verisign+domain+deceptive+practices > http://www.domainscams.com/ > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=verisign+domain+difficulties > -- > > Matt Miller > Systems Administrator > MP TotalCare > gpg public key id: > 08BC7B06 > > -- An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: signature.asc > signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature > Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- -------------------------------------------------- -- Eric Bravick, Engineering Shock Trooper -- --- Networked Knowledge Systems --- ---- P.O. Box 20772 Tampa, FL. 33622-0772 ---- ----- (813)594-0060 Voice (813)594-0045 FAX ----- ------ ebravick@nks.net ------ -------------------------------------------------- ----- This email bound by the following: ----- ---- http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html ---- -------------------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 12:19:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA02032 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:19:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA02029 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:19:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21516 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:19:30 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gALHIfkY026297 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:18:41 -0500 Received: from supercomp (dt0a0n49.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.23.73]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gALHIR7b020241 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:18:35 -0500 (EST) From: "The Nyc0n \( Nick Smith \)" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] DNS hosting Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:18:28 -0500 Organization: Cha0s Inc. Message-ID: <000701c29182$057c1870$0c00a8c0@supercomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <3DDCFC86.6B64FD45@nks.net> Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I use www.addresscreation.com they are like 15/y but they have all the extras included, I have looked at go daddy and you have to pay for the extra goodies, the only problem I have found with addresscreation is that it takes a couple hours if not a day to update your ip address, other than that it's a very good site, check it out... Nick -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Eric Bravick Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:32 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DNS hosting I have to agree with this. I've been in the domain name registration game since before the commercialization of the system, and NetSol (now Verisign) is absolutely one of the most evil, despicable companies existing in the world today. Verisign was only marginally better, so that was a marriage made in Hell (on the 9th plane, by at LEAST Baalzebul, 2nd lieutenant of Lucifer himself.) In fact, on my "companies that must die" list, Verisign is actually HIGHER on the list (i.e. more destructive to the public good) than Microsoft. Verisign is the direct source of almost every despicable domain name registration scheme going. We do a lot of domain name registration and DNS aggregation for companies (contact registration@nks.net) if you are looking for someone local that has a lot of DNS expertise, but we aren't going to beat GoDaddy price wise. Not our market. I would check out GoDaddy.com and if that is everything you want, they are probably the low price leader, and not TOO evil. If you're into something with a little more service, use us or one of the other little ISP' on the SLUG list. I know there are several here that would take the business, and are all SLUG supporters in one way or another. Matt Miller wrote: > > On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 09:15, Syd Alsobrook wrote: > > Network solutions may be the most expensive but they do have solid DNS. The > > last time I registered with then you could get 3 years for $60. > > Do you mean Verisign (NetSol no longer exists)? Verisign has been > accused of many transgressions including deceptive practices. There are > many documented cases of people inadvertently transferring registration > to Verisign as well as people having difficulties transferring domains > away from Verisign. I would personally steer people away from Verisign > for the same reasons I would steer people away from Microsoft. > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=verisign +domain+deceptive+practices > http://www.domainscams.com/ > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=verisign +domain+difficulties > -- > > Matt Miller > Systems Administrator > MP TotalCare > gpg public key id: > 08BC7B06 > > -- An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: signature.asc > signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature > Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- -------------------------------------------------- -- Eric Bravick, Engineering Shock Trooper -- --- Networked Knowledge Systems --- ---- P.O. Box 20772 Tampa, FL. 33622-0772 ---- ----- (813)594-0060 Voice (813)594-0045 FAX ----- ------ ebravick@nks.net ------ -------------------------------------------------- ----- This email bound by the following: ----- ---- http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html ---- -------------------------------------------------- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 15:13:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03697 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:13:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA03694 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:13:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23413 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:13:55 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gALKCrkY005324 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:12:53 -0500 Received: (qmail 10284 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2002 20:12:47 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2002 20:12:47 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:12:46 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] firewall stop please Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:07:28 -0500 Message-ID: <004101c29199$9f21ee20$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <008001c2916c$1a1d79b0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Somehow when I installed RH the last time I must have missed the firewall option and now I have restricted access by some users and not others. How do I call off the watchdogs? I want not firewall at all on this server. Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 15:47:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03932 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:47:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA03924 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:47:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23675 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:47:45 -0500 Received: from glennmeyer.com (1010400143.inter-linc.com [12.10.104.143] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gALKkekY007411 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:46:42 -0500 Received: from glennmeyer.com (main [192.168.0.3]) by glennmeyer.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gALKkZP12779 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:46:35 -0600 Message-ID: <3DDD462A.5080104@glennmeyer.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:46:34 -0600 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] firewall stop please References: <004101c29199$9f21ee20$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug As root, go to a command prompt and type "setup". In the menu, you will see the "Firewall Configuration" option. Mikes work account wrote: > Somehow when I installed RH the last time I must have missed the > firewall option and now I have restricted access by some users and not > others. How do I call off the watchdogs? I want not firewall at all on > this server. > > > Michael C. Rock > Systems Analyst > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" > > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 15:51:26 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03984 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:51:26 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA03976 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:51:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23719 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:51:25 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gALKoRkY007632 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:50:28 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA00172 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:49:24 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c2919e$85309890$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: <004101c29199$9f21ee20$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> Subject: Re: [SLUG] firewall stop please Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:42:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug first use service to stop iptables/ipchains.. then use the ntsysv to stop iptables/ipchains from automatically starting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mikes work account" To: Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:07 PM Subject: [SLUG] firewall stop please > Somehow when I installed RH the last time I must have missed the > firewall option and now I have restricted access by some users and not > others. How do I call off the watchdogs? I want not firewall at all on > this server. > > > Michael C. Rock > Systems Analyst > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 16:00:35 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA04056 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:00:35 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA04053 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:00:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23800 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:00:35 -0500 Received: from t3t.com (mail.t3t.com [216.136.30.137]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gALKxtkY008205 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:59:55 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.51] [64.132.253.199] by t3t.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A9DE3E8302B8; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:02:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] firewall stop please From: Ryland Bingham To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <004101c29199$9f21ee20$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> References: <004101c29199$9f21ee20$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 21 Nov 2002 16:00:51 -0500 Message-Id: <1037912451.20554.184.camel@t3hp1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug at a shell prompt: setup This will take you into an interactive program, just select firewall, and then select none. You can then reboot, or just flush your iptables settings. On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 15:07, Mikes work account wrote: > Somehow when I installed RH the last time I must have missed the > firewall option and now I have restricted access by some users and not > others. How do I call off the watchdogs? I want not firewall at all on > this server. > > > Michael C. Rock > Systems Analyst > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" > > > > > -- Ryland Bingham Unix/Linux Specialist T3 Technologies, Inc. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 16:10:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA04147 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:10:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA04144 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:10:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23910 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:10:55 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (oe23.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.148.16]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gALL9ukY008898 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:09:56 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:09:50 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [4.62.213.157] From: "Jim Grant" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:09:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2002 21:09:50.0308 (UTC) FILETIME=[5431E240:01C291A2] X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Or from the command prompt type: redhat-config-security > As root, go to a command prompt and type "setup". In the menu, you > will see the "Firewall Configuration" option. > > Mikes work account wrote: > > Somehow when I installed RH the last time I must have missed the > > firewall option and now I have restricted access by some users and not > > others. How do I call off the watchdogs? I want not firewall at all on > > this server. > > > > > > Michael C. Rock > > Systems Analyst > > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" > > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 22:41:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA07720 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:41:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA07717 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:41:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27878 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:41:51 -0500 Received: from archimedes.caffeine-addict.com (pcp02063058pcs.englwd01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.3.135]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAM3f3kY001774 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:41:03 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] DNS hosting Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:42:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E43895469@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 Thread-Topic: [SLUG] DNS hosting Thread-Index: AcKRYvaCJyHY1gqTQ6yXEh3XHopP0gAddvnw From: "Craig Zeigler" To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id WAA07718 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Register.com is one of the best I've seen, but I have my domain with buydomains.com and it's been great. response time is ~24-48 hours on updates (normal) and I've never had a problem with them going down. They also have a great interface. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Mike Manchester [mailto:mchester@pobox.com] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:19 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] DNS hosting Can anyone advise me on a inexpensive DNS to register my domain name with. I have a domain name and I'm looking for a DNS service to use. I have my domain registered with godaddy and they don't supply a DNS service. So since my domain name is about to expire I was wondering if anyone knows where I can register/transfer my domain name that might have a DNS service. I would prefer to keep the domain name and DNS entries in one place, but cost is also a factor. Thanks Mike M. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 22:44:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA07759 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:44:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA07751 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:44:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27902 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:44:01 -0500 Received: from archimedes.caffeine-addict.com (pcp02063058pcs.englwd01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.3.135]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAM3hEkY001919 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:43:14 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Video Cards Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:45:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E4389546A@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 Thread-Topic: [SLUG] Video Cards Thread-Index: AcKRbUOiCaEv93NcRIiYLSV4yqe3QgAa+MuQ From: "Craig Zeigler" To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id WAA07752 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have the same problem with my HP notebook. I don't know if it would be of any help, but if you can cycle the video modes, that might help. Or like someone else said, check the dell Linux support folks. -----Original Message----- From: Mikes work account [mailto:mrock@stewartsigns.com] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:29 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Video Cards I am running a Dell Optiplex GX260 and have it dual booted between W2K and RH 8.0. The video on the Linux side is not acceptable because of a 2" band of gibberish across the screen about 2/3 the way down the screen. I ma looking to put another video card in and need a recommendation from someone who may have a similar situation. The video chip in the Dell is a BrooksDale -G Chipset integrated graphics device. Redhat see everything as an intel 845. Linux probes and uses the intel i810 driver which must be corrupt or does not work with the Dell M-782 monitor. But then I tried it with a Dell M 781p monitor and got the same response. Changing the driver does not help the situation at all,, just makes everything unuseable. Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 21 22:48:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA07811 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:48:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA07803 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:48:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27960 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:48:11 -0500 Received: from archimedes.caffeine-addict.com (pcp02063058pcs.englwd01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.3.135]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAM3l5kY002186 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:47:06 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] Asus GeForce4 Ti4200 and RedHat 8.0 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:49:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E4389546B@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 Thread-Topic: Asus GeForce4 Ti4200 and RedHat 8.0 Thread-Index: AcKR2c+TMhJl8hsBQJ+asUDtNK7fgg== From: "Craig Zeigler" To: "SLUG (E-mail)" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id WAA07804 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I hope this isn't a truly stupid question, but could someone please help me with an Asus GeForce 4 Ti4200. I can't seem to get X to configure properly. It fails the X test no matter what changes I make. I'm using the proper video modes, and have manually set the frequencies of my monitor. The monitor is a ViewSonic PF790 which is not listed on the install. I have SuSE 8 and 8.1 running, and they have no problems with it. Do I need to compile my own drivers? The Driver package from NVIDIA is the same version that is included with RH 8. thanks, Craig From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 01:29:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA09123 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:29:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA09120 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:29:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29653 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:29:37 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAM6T1kY012703 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:29:01 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18F7J3-0006YP-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:28:49 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18F7IN-0003GG-00 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:28:07 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Selling Free Software Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:28:05 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e76ecabcbe6d6af9d412aab75c11434e383350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, How do I sell Free software to a large company? I work at a call center, and I want to convince the Powers-That-Be to use Zope in place of the webserver they are currently using (which is probably IIS), and PostgreSQL as the backend database. I had created an Access database for all of the people in our call center to use, and it would have normally had a shortcut to everyone's desktops from a shared drive, but someone thought it would be a good idea to upload it to the webserver and just put a link to it, and it work somehow....But no....I wanted to show them what I've done with Zope/PostgreSQL on my own to explain how much better and easier and more flexible and secure it could be...I wanted to introduce this software combination to them, but I got bogged down in the "Free software" type of explanations...what is free software, why is it better for because it's free...etc. I know (almost intrinsically) why it's better, but getting that across is a problem. For instance, the licensing problems that come with either IIS or Access/SQLServer vs. the lack of problem with Zope/PSQL....I wasn't very prepared for the presentation, but I'd like to be in the future if I'm going to get anywhere with this stuff. I want to explain the benefits, without getting too much into the tech part of it, and without getting too deep into the philosophy behind it. This introduction of this software is very tricky... Russell - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE93c52AqKGrvVshJQRAkXdAJkBB9S8JXDC9FOQHq7oTCTuWzMnRACg0IE8 hB9dulEn5/eRnLNnTaNurDw= =h7ml -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 06:43:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA11893 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:43:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA11890 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:43:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00588 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:43:39 -0500 Received: from dt2.gschmidt.net (6535161hfc60.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.161.60]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMBTOkY032560 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:29:25 -0500 Received: by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 399C12AE78; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36BDB7CCA for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:29:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:29:19 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Schmidt To: Subject: [SLUG] Does this open relay test look reasonable? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug RoadRunner hits my server with this open relay test. It looks extensive, but I'm not sure what all of these tests are checking. Other places have much shorter tests. Here it is: Return-Path: Delivered-To: root@gschmidt.net Received: by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix) via NOTICE id C65512AE7D; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:15:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:15:02 -0500 (EST) From: MAILER-DAEMON@dt2.gschmidt.net (Mail Delivery System) To: postmaster@gschmidt.net (Postmaster) Subject: Postfix SMTP server: errors from securityscan.sec.rr.com[24.30.199.228] Message-Id: <20021122111502.C65512AE7D@dt2.gschmidt.net> Status: R X-Status: N Transcript of session follows. Out: 220 dt2.gschmidt.net ESMTP Postfix (Postfix-20010228-pl03) (Mandrake Linux) In: HELO security.rr.com Out: 250 dt2.gschmidt.net In: MAIL FROM: Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO: Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: MAIL FROM: Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO: Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: MAIL FROM:<> Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO: Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: MAIL FROM: Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO: Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: MAIL FROM: Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO: Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: MAIL FROM: Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO: Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: MAIL FROM: Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO: Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: MAIL FROM: Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO:<"relaytest@security.rr.com"> Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: MAIL FROM: Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO:<"relaytest%security.rr.com"> Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: MAIL FROM: Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO: Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: MAIL FROM: Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO:<"relaytest@security.rr.com"@[65.35.161.60]> Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: MAIL FROM: Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO: Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: MAIL FROM: Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO:<@[65.35.161.60]:relaytest@security.rr.com> Out: 554 <@[65.35.161.60]:relaytest@security.rr.com>: Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: MAIL FROM: Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO:<@6535161hfc60.tampabay.rr.com:relaytest@security.rr.com> Out: 554 <@6535161hfc60.tampabay.rr.com:relaytest@security.rr.com>: Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: MAIL FROM: Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO: Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: MAIL FROM: Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO: Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: MAIL FROM: Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO: Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: MAIL FROM: Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO: Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied In: QUIT Out: 221 Bye No message was collected successfully. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 07:53:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA12693 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:53:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA12690 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:53:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01481 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:53:57 -0500 Received: from ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (mail.kingwoodcable.net [24.206.159.247]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMCqvkY005836 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:52:57 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dummy.domain.name (Postfix) with SMTP id 80E6135041A for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:51:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from micro.hef (h65-222-109-126.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.109.126]) by ms1kw.tx.shawcable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1210A350418 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:51:08 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 12073 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2002 12:10:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO iotcorp.com) (192.168.5.5) by 192.168.5.1 with SMTP; 22 Nov 2002 12:10:17 -0000 Message-ID: <3DDDE2C4.7060805@iotcorp.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 02:54:44 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan Organization: Integrated Object Technologies Corp User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Selling Free Software References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > How do I sell Free software to a large company? I work at a call center, and > I want to convince the Powers-That-Be to use Zope in place of the webserver > they are currently using (which is probably IIS), and PostgreSQL as the > backend database. > > I had created an Access database for all of the people in our call center to > use, and it would have normally had a shortcut to everyone's desktops from a > shared drive, but someone thought it would be a good idea to upload it to the > webserver and just put a link to it, and it work somehow....But no....I > wanted to show them what I've done with Zope/PostgreSQL on my own to explain > how much better and easier and more flexible and secure it could be...I > wanted to introduce this software combination to them, but I got bogged down > in the "Free software" type of explanations...what is free software, why is > it better for because it's free...etc. I know (almost intrinsically) why it's > better, but getting that across is a problem. For instance, the licensing > problems that come with either IIS or Access/SQLServer vs. the lack of > problem with Zope/PSQL....I wasn't very prepared for the presentation, but > I'd like to be in the future if I'm going to get anywhere with this stuff. I > want to explain the benefits, without getting too much into the tech part of > it, and without getting too deep into the philosophy behind it. This > introduction of this software is very tricky... > > Russell Maybe the fact that the software is F/free isn't the most important reason to use it. If you can sell them a solution that is more powerful, easier to maintain, and isn't MORE expensive than what they are doing now, you might have more luck. The licensing fees and legal restrictions for IIS/Access are probably not a compelling reason to use something else, and if the fees have been paid and the solution is even halfway working, switching to a different platform to save on licensing fees is probably a bad business decision. Now if their solution crashes a lot, impairing their ability to respond to their customers, you might have an "in". There are situations where licensing fees and restrictions are a major factor (like, say you are desiging a TV-set-top box to be manufactured in the hundreds of thousands of units and be sold for less than the cost of a Windows license), but this doesn't seem to be one of them. --ronan From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 08:41:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA13074 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:41:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA13071 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:41:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01974 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:41:38 -0500 Received: from glennmeyer.com (101050080.inter-linc.com [12.10.105.80] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMDejkY008983 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:40:46 -0500 Received: from glennmeyer.com (main [192.168.0.3]) by glennmeyer.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAMDedP13546 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:40:39 -0600 Message-ID: <3DDE33D6.2080005@glennmeyer.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:40:38 -0600 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Archives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm sorry to have to ask. I know it's been relayed many times before. I looked hard on the slug site but must be over looking it. Where can I find the archives for this list, please? From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 08:52:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA13164 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:52:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA13161 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:52:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02081 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:52:38 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMDpLkY009654 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:51:22 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18FEDE-0000Rm-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 05:51:16 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18FECW-0003an-00 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:50:32 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Archives Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:50:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <3DDE33D6.2080005@glennmeyer.com> In-Reply-To: <3DDE33D6.2080005@glennmeyer.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e767a8023bb3ac81bde70d4fff5d2ba1872350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://slugarchives.nks.net/List contains recent (last 18 months) mailings, before that....http://www.suncoastlug.org/digest.html contains stuff from before Apr 2001 Russell On Friday 22 November 2002 08:40 am, you wrote: > I'm sorry to have to ask. I know it's been relayed many times before. > I looked hard on the slug site but must be over looking it. Where can I > find the archives for this list, please? - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE93jYnAqKGrvVshJQRAvVQAKDSspWxObvTCZEV+UkjQc8Q2wdEGACfSms3 ScA/h58gSAGI5J2tox7epkY= =dOmY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 09:08:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA13311 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:08:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA13303 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:08:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02263 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:08:08 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAME75kY010727 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:07:06 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA01054 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:06:01 -0500 Message-ID: <003801c2922f$596ed870$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: <3DDE33D6.2080005@glennmeyer.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Archives Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:59:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug http://www.suncoastlug.org/digest.html and http://slugarchives.nks.net/List/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Meyer" To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: [SLUG] Archives > I'm sorry to have to ask. I know it's been relayed many times before. > I looked hard on the slug site but must be over looking it. Where can I > find the archives for this list, please? > > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 09:34:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA13549 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:34:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA13546 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:34:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02557 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:34:17 -0500 Received: from glennmeyer.com (101050080.inter-linc.com [12.10.105.80] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMEX4kY012477 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:33:05 -0500 Received: from glennmeyer.com (main [192.168.0.3]) by glennmeyer.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAMEWwP13656 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:32:58 -0600 Message-ID: <3DDE401A.2030305@glennmeyer.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:32:58 -0600 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Archives References: <3DDE33D6.2080005@glennmeyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thank you! I found exactly what I needed. Russell Hires wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > http://slugarchives.nks.net/List contains recent (last 18 months) mailings, > before that....http://www.suncoastlug.org/digest.html contains stuff from > before Apr 2001 > > Russell > > On Friday 22 November 2002 08:40 am, you wrote: > >>I'm sorry to have to ask. I know it's been relayed many times before. >>I looked hard on the slug site but must be over looking it. Where can I >>find the archives for this list, please? > > > - -- > Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE93jYnAqKGrvVshJQRAvVQAKDSspWxObvTCZEV+UkjQc8Q2wdEGACfSms3 > ScA/h58gSAGI5J2tox7epkY= > =dOmY > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 10:01:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA13811 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:01:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA13808 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:01:32 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02838; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:01:31 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA22778; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:01:27 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net, Greg Schmidt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Does this open relay test look reasonable? Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:01:26 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211221001.26292.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id KAA13809 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug They also do open HTTP proxy scans. Anyone notice other regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner management nodes? - Ian On Friday 22 November 2002 06:29, Greg Schmidt wrote: > RoadRunner hits my server with this open relay test. It looks extensive, > but I'm not sure what all of these tests are checking. Other places have > much shorter tests. > > Here it is: > > > > Return-Path: > Delivered-To: root@gschmidt.net > Received: by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix) via NOTICE > id C65512AE7D; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:15:02 -0500 (EST) > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:15:02 -0500 (EST) > From: MAILER-DAEMON@dt2.gschmidt.net (Mail Delivery System) > To: postmaster@gschmidt.net (Postmaster) > Subject: Postfix SMTP server: errors from > securityscan.sec.rr.com[24.30.199.228] > Message-Id: <20021122111502.C65512AE7D@dt2.gschmidt.net> > Status: R > X-Status: N > > > Transcript of session follows. > > Out: 220 dt2.gschmidt.net ESMTP Postfix (Postfix-20010228-pl03) (Mandrake > Linux) > In: HELO security.rr.com > Out: 250 dt2.gschmidt.net > In: MAIL FROM: > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO: > Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay > access > denied > In: RSET > Out: 250 Ok > In: MAIL FROM: > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO: > Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay > access > denied > In: RSET > Out: 250 Ok > In: MAIL FROM:<> > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO: > Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay > access > denied > In: RSET > Out: 250 Ok > In: MAIL FROM: > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO: > Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay > access > denied > In: RSET > Out: 250 Ok > In: MAIL FROM: > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO: > Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay > access > denied > In: RSET > Out: 250 Ok > In: MAIL FROM: > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO: > Out: 554 : Recipient address > rejected: Relay access denied > In: RSET > Out: 250 Ok > In: MAIL FROM: > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO: > Out: 554 : > Recipient > address rejected: Relay access denied > In: RSET > Out: 250 Ok > In: MAIL FROM: > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO:<"relaytest@security.rr.com"> > Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay > access > denied > In: RSET > Out: 250 Ok > In: MAIL FROM: > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO:<"relaytest%security.rr.com"> > Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay > access > denied > In: RSET > Out: 250 Ok > In: MAIL FROM: > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO: > Out: 554 : Recipient address > rejected: Relay access denied > In: RSET > Out: 250 Ok > In: MAIL FROM: > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO:<"relaytest@security.rr.com"@[65.35.161.60]> > Out: 554 : Recipient address > rejected: Relay access denied > In: RSET > Out: 250 Ok > In: MAIL FROM: > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO: > Out: 554 : > Recipient > address rejected: Relay access denied > In: RSET > Out: 250 Ok > In: MAIL FROM: > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO:<@[65.35.161.60]:relaytest@security.rr.com> > Out: 554 <@[65.35.161.60]:relaytest@security.rr.com>: Recipient address > rejected: Relay access denied > In: RSET > Out: 250 Ok > In: MAIL FROM: > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO:<@6535161hfc60.tampabay.rr.com:relaytest@security.rr.com> > Out: 554 <@6535161hfc60.tampabay.rr.com:relaytest@security.rr.com>: > Recipient > address rejected: Relay access denied > In: RSET > Out: 250 Ok > In: MAIL FROM: > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO: > Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: > Relay > access denied > In: RSET > Out: 250 Ok > In: MAIL FROM: > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO: > Out: 554 : Recipient address rejected: Relay > access > denied > In: RSET > Out: 250 Ok > In: MAIL FROM: > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO: > Out: 554 : Recipient address > rejected: Relay access denied > In: RSET > Out: 250 Ok > In: MAIL FROM: > Out: 250 Ok > In: RCPT TO: > Out: 554 : Recipient address > rejected: Relay access denied > In: QUIT > Out: 221 Bye > > No message was collected successfully. > > -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 10:18:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA13971 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:18:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA13968 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:18:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03022 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:18:32 -0500 Received: from win2ksrv05.HealthPlan.com ([159.113.45.5]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMFHlkY015311 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:17:47 -0500 Received: by win2ksrv05.HealthPlan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:17:26 -0500 Message-ID: <9688849ADFE9764B83987BFB72DD8E9D5AAD47@win2ksrv05.HealthPlan.com> From: "Milner, Dick" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:17:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have been trying to telnet into my redhat machine and still can not.\ Getting connection refused..... I go into setup and then firewall config...set as no firewall...then exit I reboot....the firewall setting goes back to High........dam it! Am I missing a command to run after changing settings in the firewall config section? I unchecked iptables and ipchains in services. I have these services installed: telnet telnet-server wu-ftpd xinetd openssh openssh-clients openssh-askpass-gnome openssh-server Dick Milner -----Original Message----- From: Jim Grant [mailto:jbgrant01@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:10 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please Or from the command prompt type: redhat-config-security > As root, go to a command prompt and type "setup". In the menu, you > will see the "Firewall Configuration" option. > > Mikes work account wrote: > > Somehow when I installed RH the last time I must have missed the > > firewall option and now I have restricted access by some users and not > > others. How do I call off the watchdogs? I want not firewall at all on > > this server. > > > > > > Michael C. Rock > > Systems Analyst > > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" > > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 10:29:13 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14068 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:29:13 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14065 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:29:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03168 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:29:12 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAMFSfkY016030 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:28:41 -0500 Received: (qmail 8214 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2002 15:28:36 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 22 Nov 2002 15:28:36 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:28:33 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:23:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c2923b$16eaaf40$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <9688849ADFE9764B83987BFB72DD8E9D5AAD47@win2ksrv05.HealthPlan.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Dick, I have the same problems and have done the same things. Still I cannot login or ftp to the box. I also get the firewall setting set to high even after I set it to none. I am using RH 7.2, what are you using. Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Milner, Dick Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:17 AM To: 'slug@nks.net' Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please I have been trying to telnet into my redhat machine and still can not.\ Getting connection refused..... I go into setup and then firewall config...set as no firewall...then exit I reboot....the firewall setting goes back to High........dam it! Am I missing a command to run after changing settings in the firewall config section? I unchecked iptables and ipchains in services. I have these services installed: telnet telnet-server wu-ftpd xinetd openssh openssh-clients openssh-askpass-gnome openssh-server Dick Milner -----Original Message----- From: Jim Grant [mailto:jbgrant01@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:10 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please Or from the command prompt type: redhat-config-security > As root, go to a command prompt and type "setup". In the menu, you > will see the "Firewall Configuration" option. > > Mikes work account wrote: > > Somehow when I installed RH the last time I must have missed the > > firewall option and now I have restricted access by some users and not > > others. How do I call off the watchdogs? I want not firewall at all on > > this server. > > > > > > Michael C. Rock > > Systems Analyst > > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" > > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 10:51:43 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14292 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:51:43 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14285 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:51:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03430 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:51:42 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMFoxkY017546 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:50:59 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA01271 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:49:55 -0500 Message-ID: <007301c2923d$dd847120$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meeting Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:43:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ST. PETE******************************************** 25 November 19:00-21:00 St. Pete (last monday of every month) Saint Petersburg Library ( Main Branch) 3745 Ninth Avenue North St. Petersburg, FL 33713 (727) 893-7724 **************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 10:59:33 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14369 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:59:33 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14366 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:59:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03542 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:59:32 -0500 Received: from mail.penguix.net (mail.penguix.net [63.165.224.3]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMFx2kY018087 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:59:02 -0500 Received: from [63.165.224.200] (unknown [63.165.224.200]) by mail.penguix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1B512855 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:03:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Does this open relay test look reasonable? From: Todd Robinson To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211221001.26292.icblenke@nks.net> References: <200211221001.26292.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1037980660.1408.24.camel@alf> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 22 Nov 2002 10:57:40 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 10:01, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > They also do open HTTP proxy scans. > > Anyone notice other regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner management nodes? > They scan for DNS servers too. -- Todd Robinson From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 11:04:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA14417 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:04:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14414 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:04:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03595 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:04:22 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMG3CkY018431 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:03:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:PFIks4xVyLnSjbhTua8xYpvAU+RV2V4T@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAMG35F22925 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:03:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:02:59 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Does this open relay test look reasonable? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Greg Schmidt wrote: > RoadRunner hits my server with this open relay test. It looks extensive, > but I'm not sure what all of these tests are checking. Other places have > much shorter tests. A couple observations: 1. Just because a host _says_ it is someone in the HELO does not mean that it is -- what IP were the probes coming from, and do they match in reverse DNS 'security.rr.com' 2. The tests are variant forms of legal addressing under some (relatively) obscure MTA setups, either legal under RFC 2821, or an observed form, predating that RFC. 3. What does 'reasonable' have to do with it? Few tests are not the sign of an effective test; comprehensive tests addressing the vulnerabilities being exploited are. The source code for the DSBL testing engine is GPL'd and available at: http://www.dsbl.org/ -- a new test for a new variant open proxy was added just a couple days ago. It makes interesting reading. -- Russ Herrold From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 11:19:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA14626 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:19:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14623 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:19:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03774 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:19:57 -0500 Received: from aragorn.mptotalcare.com (host-65-124-199-20.mptotalcare.com [65.124.199.20] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMGJ8kY019467 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:19:10 -0500 Received: from reefus.mptotalcare.com (reefus.mptotalcare.com [10.0.50.20]) by aragorn.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA13138 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:17:47 -0500 Received: from menix (menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254]) by reefus.mptotalcare.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14435 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:17:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: reefus.mptotalcare.com: Host menix.mptotalcare.com [10.0.200.254] claimed to be menix Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please From: Matt Miller To: SLUG List In-Reply-To: <000001c2923b$16eaaf40$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> References: <000001c2923b$16eaaf40$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Dnt6uz11qEDMr3edYf1n" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 22 Nov 2002 11:17:46 -0500 Message-Id: <1037981866.22408.67.camel@menix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-Dnt6uz11qEDMr3edYf1n Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 10:23, Mikes work account wrote: > I have the same problems and have done the same things. Still I cannot > login or ftp to the box. I also get the firewall setting set to high > even after I set it to none. I am using RH 7.2, what are you using. Run 'netstat -ln | more' to see if your box is actually listening on ports 21 or 23 (ftp and telnet respectively). You'll see something like the following: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN To disable the firewall with iptables: $ iptables -F $ iptables -X Check your xinetd configs for ftp and telnet and make sure they are enabled. --=20 Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id:=20 08BC7B06 -- An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly. --=-Dnt6uz11qEDMr3edYf1n Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA93liqIomZUAi8ewYRAmbQAJ9MDd7vCAl1xxiez5D+DDe58gSX1gCfd3zO DAO+7jStAoh56ARD9Ix5eFo= =XMvg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Dnt6uz11qEDMr3edYf1n-- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 11:21:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA14653 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:21:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14642 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:21:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03797 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:21:27 -0500 Received: from win2ksrv05.HealthPlan.com ([159.113.45.5]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMGK6kY019509 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:20:06 -0500 Received: by win2ksrv05.HealthPlan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:19:50 -0500 Message-ID: <9688849ADFE9764B83987BFB72DD8E9D5AAD4A@win2ksrv05.HealthPlan.com> From: "Milner, Dick" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:19:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug RH 7.3 is the version I am using.... I can ftp into my machine.....but still no telnet.. Help me..for I don't know nor can I telinet Dick -----Original Message----- From: Mikes work account [mailto:mrock@stewartsigns.com] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:23 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please Dick, I have the same problems and have done the same things. Still I cannot login or ftp to the box. I also get the firewall setting set to high even after I set it to none. I am using RH 7.2, what are you using. Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Milner, Dick Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:17 AM To: 'slug@nks.net' Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please I have been trying to telnet into my redhat machine and still can not.\ Getting connection refused..... I go into setup and then firewall config...set as no firewall...then exit I reboot....the firewall setting goes back to High........dam it! Am I missing a command to run after changing settings in the firewall config section? I unchecked iptables and ipchains in services. I have these services installed: telnet telnet-server wu-ftpd xinetd openssh openssh-clients openssh-askpass-gnome openssh-server Dick Milner -----Original Message----- From: Jim Grant [mailto:jbgrant01@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:10 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please Or from the command prompt type: redhat-config-security > As root, go to a command prompt and type "setup". In the menu, you > will see the "Firewall Configuration" option. > > Mikes work account wrote: > > Somehow when I installed RH the last time I must have missed the > > firewall option and now I have restricted access by some users and not > > others. How do I call off the watchdogs? I want not firewall at all on > > this server. > > > > > > Michael C. Rock > > Systems Analyst > > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" > > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 11:31:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA14782 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:31:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14769 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:31:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03944 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:31:47 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMGTnkY020176 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:29:49 -0500 Received: from icctower (rrcs-se-24-73-216-92.biz.rr.com [24.73.216.92]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAMGThfC025875 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:29:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005801c29244$5da94140$6501a8c0@icctower> From: "Mike Gray" To: References: <007301c2923d$dd847120$7d0aa8c0@washpat> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meeting Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:29:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Is there a meeting this saturday in Dunedin?? I plan to attend if there is. mgray1@tampabay.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Steimle" To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meeting > ST. PETE******************************************** > > 25 November 19:00-21:00 St. Pete > (last monday of every month) > Saint Petersburg Library ( Main Branch) > 3745 Ninth Avenue North > St. Petersburg, FL 33713 > (727) 893-7724 > **************************************************** > > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 11:33:08 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA14804 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:33:08 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14796 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:33:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03954 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:33:07 -0500 Received: from mx1.penguindevelopment.com (ip251-penguin.tbi.net [63.172.64.251]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMGVrkY020388 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:31:54 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.90] (wks1.penguindevelopment.com [216.253.168.90]) by mx1.penguindevelopment.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F04F2D for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:31:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] cyrus and postfix From: Austin Theen To: Slug Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Penguin Development, LLC Message-Id: <1037982694.1304.132.camel@frink.dev.penguindevelopment.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 22 Nov 2002 11:31:35 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does anyone have experience with postfix using mysql tables connecting to a cyrus imap store? I had a peculiar problem with cyrus bouncing mail to known users in a virtual domain when two or more recipients are to the same virtual domain. /etc/postfix/master.cf has this entry for the local delivery agent cyrus unix - n n - - pipe flags= user=cyrus argv=/usr/lib/cyrus/bin/deliver -r ${sender} -m ${extension} ${user} I've changed that entry to this which works, but I'm cautious to call it better because the ${extention} isn't used. cyrus unix - n n - - pipe flags= user=cyrus argv=/usr/lib/cyrus/bin/deliver -r ${sender} ${user} I've tested this till I couldn't think of anymore tests to run. Everything seems to be working with new deliver parameters. So my question is: What effect does this have to postfix and cyrus? -- Austin Theen Penguin Development, LLC From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 12:04:48 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA15101 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:04:48 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA15098 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:04:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04295 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:04:47 -0500 Received: from win2ksrv05.HealthPlan.com ([159.113.45.5]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMH3qkY022466 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:03:53 -0500 Received: by win2ksrv05.HealthPlan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:03:47 -0500 Message-ID: <9688849ADFE9764B83987BFB72DD8E9D5AAD4E@win2ksrv05.HealthPlan.com> From: "Milner, Dick" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:03:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I see port 21 as LISTEN .......... But I don't see port 23 (telnet).....ummmm! must be the problem? I checked /etc/xinetd.d/ftp and telnet .....all seems ok there... Any way to manually get port 23 to listen? stumppppped in Tampa -----Original Message----- From: Matt Miller [mailto:mmiller1@mptotalcare.com] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 11:18 AM To: SLUG List Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 10:23, Mikes work account wrote: > I have the same problems and have done the same things. Still I cannot > login or ftp to the box. I also get the firewall setting set to high > even after I set it to none. I am using RH 7.2, what are you using. Run 'netstat -ln | more' to see if your box is actually listening on ports 21 or 23 (ftp and telnet respectively). You'll see something like the following: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN To disable the firewall with iptables: $ iptables -F $ iptables -X Check your xinetd configs for ftp and telnet and make sure they are enabled. -- Matt Miller Systems Administrator MP TotalCare gpg public key id: 08BC7B06 -- An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 12:18:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA15244 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:18:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA15241 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:18:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04437 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:18:17 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([198.176.253.2]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMHHMkY023314 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:17:23 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:16:04 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A97E@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:15:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Unless you do some manual intervention, I think RH 7.2 still insisted on ipchains. I had the problem wished I had written down what I did, but I remember that I went in and blew the rules away and flushed the set of rules that had been loaded, and that cleared the problem I had up. I wish I had written it down. B-[ I did it all from the command line, that stinking GUI thingy never worked.... The Firewall was like crabgrass it just kept on coming back, until I sprayed it KillerCommandLineRules(tm) it would not go away. Happened to me with the same distro RH 7.2). Remember if you can not kill it or fix it with the GUI there IS a command line fix, you just have to dig and work the gray matter harder, (a good thing, makes your brain sharper)but once you memorize them they become automagical. (Why do I have to RELEARN this periodically?) > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Miller [mailto:mmiller1@mptotalcare.com] > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 11:18 AM > To: SLUG List > Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please > > > On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 10:23, Mikes work account wrote: > > I have the same problems and have done the same things. > Still I cannot > > login or ftp to the box. I also get the firewall setting > set to high > > even after I set it to none. I am using RH 7.2, what are you using. > > Run 'netstat -ln | more' to see if your box is actually listening on > ports 21 or 23 (ftp and telnet respectively). You'll see > something like > the following: > tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:* > LISTEN > > To disable the firewall with iptables: > $ iptables -F > $ iptables -X > > Check your xinetd configs for ftp and telnet and make sure they are > enabled. > > -- > > Matt Miller > Systems Administrator > MP TotalCare > gpg public key id: > 08BC7B06 > > -- An improperly trained Samurai dies quickly. > ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 12:30:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA15357 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:30:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA15354 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:30:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04572 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:30:57 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (bay1-dav34.bay1.hotmail.com [65.54.244.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMHUSkY024179 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:30:28 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:30:22 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [4.62.213.157] From: "Jim Grant" To: References: <9688849ADFE9764B83987BFB72DD8E9D5AAD4A@win2ksrv05.HealthPlan.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] firewall stop please Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:30:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2002 17:30:22.0762 (UTC) FILETIME=[D62390A0:01C2924C] X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Scripts in /etc/rc.d run when you reboot. You might want to search for the string "firewall" in /etc/rc.d/rc.local and look at /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall. The latter sets up rules for the firewall from top to bottom. You may want to copy the file to old.rc.firewall and change the appropriate "drop" lines to "allow" (or is it "pass"?) for the telnet port. I hope this isn't pure gibberish. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 13:10:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA15660 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:10:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA15657 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:10:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04977 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:10:27 -0500 Received: from sun.local (bdsl.66.13.207.90.gte.net [66.13.207.90]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMI9akY026706 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:09:36 -0500 Received: from earth.local (earth [192.168.1.5]) by sun.local (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAMIoLv4021101 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:50:22 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <9688849ADFE9764B83987BFB72DD8E9D5AAD4E@win2ksrv05.HealthPlan.com> References: <9688849ADFE9764B83987BFB72DD8E9D5AAD4E@win2ksrv05.HealthPlan.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-blH60X6folRO2XSFwPrx" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 22 Nov 2002 14:02:53 -0500 Message-Id: <1037991774.13583.8.camel@earth> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-blH60X6folRO2XSFwPrx Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 12:03, Milner, Dick wrote: > I see port 21 as LISTEN .......... But >=20 > I don't see port 23 (telnet).....ummmm! must be the problem? >=20 > I checked /etc/xinetd.d/ftp and telnet .....all seems ok there... >=20 > Any way to manually get port 23 to listen? >=20 > stumppppped in Tampa Check /etc/services to see if it turns on the service. Also do a ps aux |grep telnetd on the machine you want to telnet to and see if the daemon is running. =20 --=20 Logan Tygart Systems Administrator/Analyst/Engineer Registered Linux User 277727 GnuPG A581AC1E ICQ 72101412 2:00pm up 226 days, 1:33, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.16, 0.45 --=-blH60X6folRO2XSFwPrx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA93n9dN3o1iaWBrB4RAgqOAKCRVY4/U9//xbYBdK1D8vIF+a2D7gCgqttW 8EVCwwkowRQqGGvymrJFWNM= =pKZ9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-blH60X6folRO2XSFwPrx-- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 13:12:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA15689 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:12:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA15686 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:12:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05006 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:12:27 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMIBbkY026839 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:11:37 -0500 Received: from test01 (102bus18.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.102.18]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAMIBTfC015011; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:11:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <038c01c29252$951eea40$3249490a@test01> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <200211221001.26292.icblenke@nks.net> Subject: [SLUG] regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:11:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Re: scanning by RR in their own address space I made a written note to myself, in my IDS at home I logged the following: (times EST, NTP synch'd) 6 Nov 05:00:39 from 24.30.199.228 attempt to port 1080 socks 6 Nov 05:18:51 from 24.30.199.228 attempt to port 3128 squid 6 Nov 06:31:39 from 24.30.199.228 attempt to port 8080 proxy I am in the 24.94.x.x. space. This source address, above, is the same as that described below, rev lookup to the same name. I get many other attempts at home from various 24.x.x.x addresses to port 80, less so to 445. By far the most attempts from _any_ source address, are to port 137, trying to resolve netbios name "CKAAAAA..." (this is just * followed by nulls). Many are coming from Poland now. I am also getting several attempts a day from 24.94.39.9 looking for several ports including 12345 and 27374, the subseven and netbus ports. I suspect it is a trojanized machine. It is near Rochester NY in the southern tier of NY, his workgroup is Capecci Wines/Tony Capecci but not findable in Google. Wonder how long it will take RR to discover this. ?? (...stny.rr.com) I see as many as 15 to 20 different IPs most every day trying any of a dozen different ports. Again that's just at home. One that has really dropped off is port 111 the RPC portmapper port. Guess the haker3 have decided that no one on home connections runs unix. Ha. Bob Foxworth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian C. Blenke" To: ; "Greg Schmidt" Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:01 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Does this open relay test look reasonable? > They also do open HTTP proxy scans. > > Anyone notice other regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner management nodes? > > - Ian > > On Friday 22 November 2002 06:29, Greg Schmidt wrote: > > RoadRunner hits my server with this open relay test. It looks extensive, > > but I'm not sure what all of these tests are checking. Other places have > > much shorter tests. > (snip, etc.) > > Subject: Postfix SMTP server: errors from > > securityscan.sec.rr.com[24.30.199.228] From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 13:27:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA15825 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:27:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA15822 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:27:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05153 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:27:17 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAMIPRkY027676 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:25:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 4733 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2002 18:25:22 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 22 Nov 2002 18:25:22 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:25:21 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:20:07 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c29253$c9bfdb50$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <1037991774.13583.8.camel@earth> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I am not getting a login prompt when I try to connect via telnet. Nor do I get a terminal ready light on my modems. What program or service is responsible for sending a login to the requesting tty? I get a login at the console only. Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Logan Tygart Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:03 PM To: SLUG Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 12:03, Milner, Dick wrote: > I see port 21 as LISTEN .......... But > > I don't see port 23 (telnet).....ummmm! must be the problem? > > I checked /etc/xinetd.d/ftp and telnet .....all seems ok there... > > Any way to manually get port 23 to listen? > > stumppppped in Tampa Check /etc/services to see if it turns on the service. Also do a ps aux |grep telnetd on the machine you want to telnet to and see if the daemon is running. -- Logan Tygart Systems Administrator/Analyst/Engineer Registered Linux User 277727 GnuPG A581AC1E ICQ 72101412 2:00pm up 226 days, 1:33, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.16, 0.45 From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 13:41:29 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA15994 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:41:29 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA15980 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:41:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05337 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:41:27 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMIeEkY028737 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:40:14 -0500 Received: from test01 (102bus18.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.102.18]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAMIe8fC025847 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:40:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <03b601c29256$9523f680$3249490a@test01> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <9688849ADFE9764B83987BFB72DD8E9D5AAD4E@win2ksrv05.HealthPlan.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] firewall stop please Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:40:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug To enable telnet you need to go to /etc/xinetd.d and find the file telnet, vi it and where it says disabled=yes (the default) change that to no, then the /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny files have to be configured to allow access from wherever you want (see the man pages), start with allow ALL : ALL and then restart the inet daemon with "/etc/rc.d/init.d/xinetd reload" and you should see a green [OK] just like when the system boots. For ftp, use the wu-ftpd file to set disable=no I would think that the first step is to make sure the services are running, and then try to close them off with firewall rules. Maybe the GUI does this, or some of this, or thinks it does some of this. I'd rather just find and edit the files and keep a record of what I edited (and why, on a good day, hi) Bob Foxworth > I see port 21 as LISTEN .......... But > > I don't see port 23 (telnet).....ummmm! must be the problem? > > I checked /etc/xinetd.d/ftp and telnet .....all seems ok there... > > > Check your xinetd configs for ftp and telnet and make sure they are > enabled. > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 14:04:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA16197 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:04:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA16189 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:04:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05611 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:04:27 -0500 Received: from pop016.verizon.net (pop016pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.173]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMJ2NkY030239 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:02:24 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.63.229.144]) by pop016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021122190218.QPLM1630.pop016.verizon.net@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:02:18 -0600 Subject: [SLUG] Linux friendly dial-up ISP From: Vince Meiste To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1037991778.1097.4.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 22 Nov 2002 14:02:58 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop016.verizon.net from [4.63.229.144] at Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:02:17 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Any recommendations on a Linux friendly dial-up (unlimited hrs., email and web access) ISP for Pasco? The cheaper the better. Thanks......... -- Vince Meiste From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 14:28:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA16441 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:28:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA16438 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:28:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05926 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:28:57 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAMJSNkY031901 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:28:23 -0500 Received: (qmail 7821 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2002 19:28:18 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 22 Nov 2002 19:28:18 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:28:15 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] firewall stop please Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:23:02 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c2925c$936a29d0$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <03b601c29256$9523f680$3249490a@test01> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug By golly,, that was it mates. Xinetd.d needed to have telnet enabled and then have xinetd reloaded. Wel,,,, that was my issues for the week here at work :o),,,must be time to go home! Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Foxworth Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:40 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] firewall stop please To enable telnet you need to go to /etc/xinetd.d and find the file telnet, vi it and where it says disabled=yes (the default) change that to no, then the /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny files have to be configured to allow access from wherever you want (see the man pages), start with allow ALL : ALL and then restart the inet daemon with "/etc/rc.d/init.d/xinetd reload" and you should see a green [OK] just like when the system boots. For ftp, use the wu-ftpd file to set disable=no I would think that the first step is to make sure the services are running, and then try to close them off with firewall rules. Maybe the GUI does this, or some of this, or thinks it does some of this. I'd rather just find and edit the files and keep a record of what I edited (and why, on a good day, hi) Bob Foxworth > I see port 21 as LISTEN .......... But > > I don't see port 23 (telnet).....ummmm! must be the problem? > > I checked /etc/xinetd.d/ftp and telnet .....all seems ok there... > > > Check your xinetd configs for ftp and telnet and make sure they are > enabled. > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 14:40:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA16532 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:40:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA16527 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:40:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06038 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:40:07 -0500 Received: from pop016.verizon.net (pop016pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.173]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMJdlkY032666 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:39:47 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.99.219]) by pop016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021122193941.QYDX1630.pop016.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:39:41 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:43:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200211221001.26292.icblenke@nks.net> <038c01c29252$951eea40$3249490a@test01> In-Reply-To: <038c01c29252$951eea40$3249490a@test01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211221443.13917.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop016.verizon.net from [4.47.99.219] at Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:39:41 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Friday 22 November 2002 13:11, you wrote: > Re: scanning by RR in their own address space > > I made a written note to myself, in my IDS at home I logged the > following: (times EST, NTP synch'd) > > 6 Nov 05:00:39 from 24.30.199.228 attempt to port 1080 socks > 6 Nov 05:18:51 from 24.30.199.228 attempt to port 3128 squid > 6 Nov 06:31:39 from 24.30.199.228 attempt to port 8080 proxy > > I am in the 24.94.x.x. space. This source address, above, is the same as > that described below, rev lookup to the same name. > > I get many other attempts at home from various 24.x.x.x addresses to port > 80, > less so to 445. By far the most attempts from _any_ source address, are to > port 137, > trying to resolve netbios name "CKAAAAA..." (this is just * followed by > nulls). > Many are coming from Poland now. Ya, the most common scan is for 137. Lot of nice ms exploit possibilities from there. > > I am also getting several attempts a day from 24.94.39.9 looking for > several ports including 12345 and 27374, the subseven and netbus ports. > I suspect it is a trojanized machine. It is near Rochester NY in the > southern > tier of NY, his workgroup is Capecci Wines/Tony Capecci but not findable in > Google. > Wonder how long it will take RR to discover this. ?? (...stny.rr.com) It is a zombie machine and Capecci may even have indication that it is and not want to do anything about it. > > I see as many as 15 to 20 different IPs most every day trying any of a > dozen different > ports. Again that's just at home. One that has really dropped off is port > 111 the > RPC portmapper port. Guess the haker3 have decided that no one on home > connections runs unix. Ha. Just for the heck of it, I following my iptables logs one evening and pinged every host who scanned my box. Then did traceroutes on them. The activity actually abated a bit after doing this. > > Bob Foxworth > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 14:42:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA16575 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:42:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA16572 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:42:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06080 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:42:57 -0500 Received: from mail.arczip.com (mail.arczip.com [216.126.227.134]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMJgPkY000380 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:42:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:42:19 -0700 Message-Id: <200211221242.AA2026897698@mail.arczip.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Carson Wilcox" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux friendly dial-up ISP X-Mailer: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Take a look at www.arczip.com. They arn't local but they have local numbers, as well as numbers across the country so they are good if you travel. The price is $14.95 a month and I've had good luck with them. They have 24x7 service if you need that as well. Carson Carson R. Wilcox Senior Systems Architect Fujitsu Consulting Tampa, FL carsonwilcox@arczip.com ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Vince Meiste Reply-To: slug@nks.net Date: 22 Nov 2002 14:02:58 -0500 >Any recommendations on a Linux friendly dial-up (unlimited hrs., email >and web access) ISP for Pasco? The cheaper the better. Thanks......... > >-- >Vince Meiste > > From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 15:57:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA17168 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:57:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA17165 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:57:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06846 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:57:27 -0500 Received: from mail.coffeehouseltd.com (6532245hfc244.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.245.244]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMKufkY005132 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:56:42 -0500 Received: from espresso (espresso.coffeehouseltd.com [192.168.0.2]) (AUTH: LOGIN ken) by mail.coffeehouseltd.com with esmtp; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:56:34 -0500 Message-ID: <005d01c29269$a48d72f0$0200a8c0@espresso> From: "Ken Billings" To: slug@nks.net References: <1037884755.16485.13.camel@cpt> <1037888631.17495.49.camel@menix> <3DDCF1FD.1050706@glennmeyer.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] DNS hosting Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:56:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Meyer" To: Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] DNS hosting > I use www.zoneedit.com It's free and has worked very well for me. I have to echo this. I've been using godaddy for registration, and zoneedit for DNS on most of my domains and many of my friends' domains. Service all around has been quite satisfactory. Zoneedit will do DNS on up to 5 domains for free, has an easy web interface, and very detailed configuration. -Ken From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 18:25:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA18545 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:25:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA18542 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:25:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08500 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:25:18 -0500 Received: from mail.weberz.com ([66.179.102.102]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAMNOOkY014871 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:24:25 -0500 Received: (qmail 32814 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2002 23:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sethh) (24.129.161.60) by mail.weberz.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2002 23:16:50 -0000 From: "Seth Hollen" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux friendly dial-up ISP Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:23:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I recently signed my grandparents up for www.access4less.net it's only 6.95 a month and so far it's been fine. I think they will work with Linux fine. there's no software to install. they aren't "power users" thought ;) Take Care, Seth Hollen seth@opentechinc.net 727-919-1598 -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Vince Meiste Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:03 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Linux friendly dial-up ISP Any recommendations on a Linux friendly dial-up (unlimited hrs., email and web access) ISP for Pasco? The cheaper the better. Thanks......... -- Vince Meiste From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 18:51:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA18833 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:51:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA18825 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:51:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08798 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:51:33 -0500 Received: from mail.vasoftware.com (mail.vasoftware.com [198.186.202.175]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAMNoIkY016628 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:50:18 -0500 Received: from dt170n62.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.204.98] helo=roblimo.com) by mail.vasoftware.com with asmtp (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 18FNYp-0001or-00 by VAauthid with fixed_plain for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:50:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3DDEC23A.2020906@roblimo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:48:10 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux friendly dial-up ISP References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Seth Hollen wrote: >I recently signed my grandparents up for >www.access4less.net it's only 6.95 a month and so far it's been fine. > >I think they will work with Linux fine. there's no software to install. > Apparently yes, it will work with Linux. http://www.access4less.net/Linux.htm From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 19:44:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA19330 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:44:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA19327 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:44:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09383 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:44:18 -0500 Received: from archimedes.caffeine-addict.com (pcp02063058pcs.englwd01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.3.135]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAN0h3kY020147 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:43:04 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux friendly dial-up ISP Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:45:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E4389546D@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 Thread-Topic: [SLUG] Linux friendly dial-up ISP Thread-Index: AcKSXMo3irleLK4XSOm7VLbjkhvPwAALEqsQ From: "Craig Zeigler" To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id TAA19328 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Access Unlimited is run by one of the best Linux people I've ever met. www.acun.com -----Original Message----- From: Vince Meiste [mailto:vince.meiste@gte.net] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:03 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Linux friendly dial-up ISP Any recommendations on a Linux friendly dial-up (unlimited hrs., email and web access) ISP for Pasco? The cheaper the better. Thanks......... -- Vince Meiste From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 21:21:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA20206 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:21:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA20193 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:21:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10329 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:21:18 -0500 Received: from mail.penguix.net (mail.penguix.net [63.165.224.3]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAN2JVkY026309 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:19:46 -0500 Received: from [63.165.224.200] (unknown [63.165.224.200]) by mail.penguix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9FF612855 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:23:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] cyrus and postfix From: Todd Robinson To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1037982694.1304.132.camel@frink.dev.penguindevelopment.com> References: <1037982694.1304.132.camel@frink.dev.penguindevelopment.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1038017942.1408.40.camel@alf> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 22 Nov 2002 21:19:02 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I've done plenty of Postfix, but none with Cyrus. What you describe shouldn't have any effect on Postfix. It would be a Cyrus 'deliver' command issue. You would have to check the Cyrus docs to see what it is expecting and figure what might happen if it isn't going to get it. If you've tested it and the mail is going through, sounds like it is Ok though... If you can, also test how it handles deferred mail. I've seen some virus and spam filters that work fine on mail that flows through the system, but won't deliver deferred mail. Todd On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 11:31, Austin Theen wrote: > Does anyone have experience with postfix using mysql tables connecting > to a cyrus imap store? > > I had a peculiar problem with cyrus bouncing mail to known users in a > virtual domain when two or more recipients are to the same virtual > domain. > > /etc/postfix/master.cf has this entry for the local delivery agent > > cyrus unix - n n - - pipe > flags= user=cyrus argv=/usr/lib/cyrus/bin/deliver -r ${sender} > -m ${extension} ${user} > > I've changed that entry to this which works, but I'm cautious to call it > better because the ${extention} isn't used. > > cyrus unix - n n - - pipe > flags= user=cyrus argv=/usr/lib/cyrus/bin/deliver -r ${sender} ${user} > > I've tested this till I couldn't think of anymore tests to run. > Everything seems to be working with new deliver parameters. So my > question is: What effect does this have to postfix and cyrus? -- Todd Robinson From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 22 23:18:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA21135 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:18:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA21132 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:18:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11453 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:18:58 -0500 Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAN4I2kY001323 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:18:02 -0500 Received: from 7-26.9-67.tampabay.rr.com ([67.9.26.7] helo=thor.sanders.lan) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18FRjh-00053D-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:17:41 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Larry Sanders To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] firewall stop please Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:12:43 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <004101c29199$9f21ee20$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> In-Reply-To: <004101c29199$9f21ee20$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211222312.43846.rhatman@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 614c3855217255fdc15e89ea043e8aa89ef193a6bfc3dd4854c62f221c050a4e7ebf76fe47cb2fd927b02ac19e33883a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id XAA21133 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug As root, try using /sbin/chkconfig (read the man pages) I recommend turning off rsh, rlogin, talk, finger, ftp and telnet. Use ssh and scp For the services of ipchaines/iptables you can select your option. If you use the command /sbin/service iptables then the option 'save' will store the current configuration for use to reboot. On Thursday 21 November 2002 03:07 pm, Michael wrote: > Somehow when I installed RH the last time I must have missed the > firewall option and now I have restricted access by some users and not > others. How do I call off the watchdogs? I want not firewall at all on > this server. > > > Michael C. Rock > Systems Analyst > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 00:58:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA21973 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:58:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA21965 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:58:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12516 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:58:23 -0500 From: bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAN5vNkY007766 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:57:24 -0500 Received: from myduron (653269hfc51.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.69.51]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAN5vHCB012351 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:57:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003601c292b5$422bd560$33452041@tampabay.rr.com> To: Subject: [SLUG] The Ole Apple IIe Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 00:57:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ok folks here is something that me and Diane are dying to find out. My sister brought out a ole Apple IIe Pc to the house today. I found this on Linux Guruz webpage http://foldoc.linuxguruz.org/foldoc.php?6502 I am wondering is there actually a version of Unix/Linux os that will load on this thing? If by some shocking chance there is I would love to load this thing with it and perhaps show it some time at a meeting or when do another show just to show that even 20 year old personal computer can run it. BTW this was a Bday present to Diana from my sister. She says if it can be done we are going to load it. Also interesting note there is scanners, modems, and even a cga monitor on ebay for this thing. As well as a ton of manuals and users guides. Russ we believe you are the one who would know the answers to this..... Thanks Bill Preece From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 02:07:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA22477 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:07:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA22474 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:07:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13249 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:07:29 -0500 Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAN76mkY012337 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:06:48 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net (pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.65.151]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.5 (built Sep 23 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6000DE2P363C@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:06:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:06:42 -0500 From: Logan Subject: Re: [SLUG] The Ole Apple IIe In-reply-to: <003601c292b5$422bd560$33452041@tampabay.rr.com> To: SLUG Message-id: <1038035202.18780.3.camel@sirus> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-q+Qjd2p7C1MeYoAVph4y"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 References: <003601c292b5$422bd560$33452041@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-q+Qjd2p7C1MeYoAVph4y Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2002-11-23 at 00:57, bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > Ok folks here is something that me and Diane are dying to find out. > My sister brought out a ole Apple IIe Pc to the house today. Wow! I remember playing "Wizardry I" on one of those. I think they come with 40K of RAM. If you get Linux running on it, I will drive up from Sarasota just to see that!! Does it have the green or amber screen?!!? The Logan --=20 02:00:01 up 122 days, 18:34, 1 user, load average: 0.43, 0.79, 0.91 You'll never see all the places, or read all the books, but fortunately, they're not all recommended. Registered Linux User 277727 ICQ 72101412 --=-q+Qjd2p7C1MeYoAVph4y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA93ykB3OecGqSbkyMRAhjYAKDOyVZWEEOLWnCxzE1QR8erhp4COgCfXRvd eeCgkz4yaYWT0IeFbb5goPA= =JMt/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-q+Qjd2p7C1MeYoAVph4y-- From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 02:33:30 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA22684 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:33:30 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA22681 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:33:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13513 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:33:29 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAN7WckY014010 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:32:38 -0500 Received: (qmail 6331 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2002 07:32:50 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 23 Nov 2002 07:32:50 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18FUmD-0007Og-00 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:32:29 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:32:24 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Selling Free Software Message-ID: <20021123073223.GB27311@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 01:28:05AM -0500, Russell Hires wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > How do I sell Free software to a large company? I work at a call center, and > I want to convince the Powers-That-Be to use Zope in place of the webserver > they are currently using (which is probably IIS), and PostgreSQL as the > backend database. > 1. It's not a year between updates (to plug holes and improve functionality), but weeks or days. 2. You have better access to the developers than you do with monolithic corporations. 3. Licensing fees (which may or may not be a consideration). You might also suggest the feared and reviled BSA/Microsoft licensing stormtroopers. (I don't begrudge these people their licensing fees. I just don't like their gestapo tactics in collecting them.) 4. Major corporations and other entities use this stuff. You'll have to find out who yourself; I don't know. 5. It's less prone to crashing, and even if it weren't, that would likely get fixed promptly. 6. The code _can_ be maintained in house, if you go in for that sort of thing. 7. Microsoft support? 'Nuff said. I'm not sure any of these would work, but I would avoid the "free" angle. It doesn't seem to sell well unless the suits are really cheapskates, or they're spending a _lot_. You might consider asking _them_ what they want out of software, and what gripes _they_ have, and then use those things as buttons to push for OSS. Unfortunately, suits typically don't know or care much about what software they run, but they tend to be allergic to change. I haven't lived in the Dilbert world for a long time, but I'd guess that suits are like sheep. You have to cut _their_ risk, and get someone they respect to recommend it. That's why these folks use consultants so much. If the consultant recommends something and it tanks, it's not their fault-- the consultants recommended it. Linux consulting companies are good for this. If they make a convincing case, you get the solution you want, management's happy, Linux makes money, and management can avoid the "free" angle because they get to pay the consultants for the solution. Plus they get support. ;-} Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 02:36:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA22714 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:36:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA22705 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:36:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13556 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:36:30 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAN7ZGkY014175 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:35:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 6361 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2002 07:35:28 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 23 Nov 2002 07:35:28 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18FUol-0007PB-00 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:35:07 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:35:03 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Archives Message-ID: <20021123073503.GC27311@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <3DDE33D6.2080005@glennmeyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DDE33D6.2080005@glennmeyer.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 07:40:38AM -0600, Glenn Meyer wrote: > I'm sorry to have to ask. I know it's been relayed many times before. > I looked hard on the slug site but must be over looking it. Where can I > find the archives for this list, please? Russel, Glenn and Aaron posted the actual links, but you can get to them all by just going to the Lists page and reading what's there; there are links to the other pages. If it has to do with the lists, it's on the Lists page: http://www.suncoastlug.org/lists.html Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 02:37:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA22739 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:37:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA22731 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:37:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13565 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:37:09 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAN7aLkY014245 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:36:21 -0500 Received: (qmail 6364 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2002 07:36:33 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 23 Nov 2002 07:36:33 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18FUpo-0007PQ-00 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:36:12 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:36:12 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meeting Message-ID: <20021123073611.GD27311@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <007301c2923d$dd847120$7d0aa8c0@washpat> <005801c29244$5da94140$6501a8c0@icctower> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <005801c29244$5da94140$6501a8c0@icctower> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 11:29:44AM -0500, Mike Gray wrote: > Is there a meeting this saturday in Dunedin?? > I plan to attend if there is. Yes. See: http://www.suncoastlug.org or http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 02:39:00 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA22762 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:39:00 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA22759 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:38:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13603 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:38:59 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAN7cYkY014418 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:38:34 -0500 Received: (qmail 6385 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2002 07:38:46 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 23 Nov 2002 07:38:46 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18FUrx-0007Pk-00 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:38:25 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:38:21 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] (FWD) Contract Work for LINUX System Admin Message-ID: <20021123073821.GE27311@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This fellow is from one of the local computer users groups, and not on our list. Contact him at the address below. Paul ----- Forwarded message from Dave Dockery ----- From: "Dave Dockery" Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:33:20 -0500 To: Subject: Contract Work for LINUX System Admin Message-ID: <001e01c29244$df86f3b0$6501a8c0@doc> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 I've been asked to help locate someone capable of properly configuring a Linux network. I have no details, but thought one of the recipients of this list may want to do it themselves, or know someone who can. If interested, please contact David Raymond at: rdavid@digiskill.org Thanks, Doc (Dave Dockery) ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 02:44:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA22821 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:44:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA22818 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:44:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13678 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:44:09 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAN7hmkY014765 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:43:49 -0500 Received: (qmail 6475 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2002 07:44:01 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 23 Nov 2002 07:44:01 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18FUx2-0007R1-00 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:43:40 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:43:35 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux friendly dial-up ISP Message-ID: <20021123074335.GF27311@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <1037991778.1097.4.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1037991778.1097.4.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:02:58PM -0500, Vince Meiste wrote: > Any recommendations on a Linux friendly dial-up (unlimited hrs., email > and web access) ISP for Pasco? The cheaper the better. Thanks......... Earthlink's been discussed before, and they do have Pasco access numbers. Cost is $19.95 a month unlimited, IIRC. I believe they have some Linux-friendly support folks as well, though dialup is pretty straightforward on Linux. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 08:12:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA25839 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:12:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA25831 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:12:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17331 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:12:54 -0500 Received: from ns3.webmasters.com (ns3.webmasters.com [66.118.156.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gANDC6kY003897 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:12:06 -0500 Received: (qmail 11364 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2002 13:15:06 -0000 Received: from 6532163hfc227.tampabay.rr.com (HELO ?192.168.1.60?) (65.32.163.227) by 66.118.156.142 with SMTP; 23 Nov 2002 13:15:06 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] The Ole Apple IIe From: Andrew Wyatt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <003601c292b5$422bd560$33452041@tampabay.rr.com> References: <003601c292b5$422bd560$33452041@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1038057189.3070.4.camel@lattitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 23 Nov 2002 08:13:10 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sat, 2002-11-23 at 00:57, bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > Ok folks here is something that me and Diane are dying to find out. > My sister brought out a ole Apple IIe Pc to the house today. > > I found this on Linux Guruz webpage > http://foldoc.linuxguruz.org/foldoc.php?6502 > I am wondering is there actually a version of Unix/Linux os that will load > on this thing? > WOW, from my small amount of research this morning, it appears to be possible. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%2B%226502+linux%22+%2Bapple I found a linux kernel out there running on a C64 too! No readily available distributions for either system though it seems. Let me know if you get any further with this, retro computing is one of my hobbies. ;-) -- Andrew Wyatt From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 08:44:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA26083 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:44:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA26080 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:44:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17600 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:44:34 -0500 Received: from lucky.innet.com ([66.192.25.1]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gANDi0kY005890 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:44:00 -0500 Received: from dragon.local (npr-53.innet.com [66.192.25.53] (may be forged)) by lucky.innet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24565 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:44:49 -0500 Received: from dragon.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.local (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id gANDhKlx003246 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:43:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by dragon.local (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gANDhJ7q003245 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:43:19 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob File To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux friendly dial-up ISP Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:43:19 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] References: <1037991778.1097.4.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <1037991778.1097.4.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211230843.19506.rfile@dragon> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id IAA26081 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Friday 22 November 2002 02:02 pm, Vince Meiste wrote: > Any recommendations on a Linux friendly dial-up (unlimited hrs., email > and web access) ISP for Pasco? The cheaper the better. Thanks......... You already have a bunch of answers, but thought I would chime in... I am using innet.com which charges the usual twenty dollars and is based in New Port Richey. Also they use Linux to run their servers. You get to support a local business, plus Linux ;-} . I wonder if I could get one of their sysadmins to show up at a New Port Richey meeting? From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 09:14:04 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA26313 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:14:04 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA26310 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:14:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17864 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:14:03 -0500 Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (h000.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.228]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gANEDPkY007736 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:13:26 -0500 Received: (cpmta 7212 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2002 06:13:19 -0800 Received: from 65.185.29.225 (HELO kingarthur) by smtp.directvinternet.com (209.228.33.228) with SMTP; 23 Nov 2002 06:13:19 -0800 X-Sent: 23 Nov 2002 14:13:19 GMT Message-ID: <002a01c292fa$81a52bc0$6401a8c0@kingarthur> From: "Joe Brandt" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Selling Free Software Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:13:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > How do I sell Free software to a large company? I work at a call center, and > I want to convince the Powers-That-Be to use Zope in place of the webserver > they are currently using (which is probably IIS), and PostgreSQL as the > backend database. First you must define "Free" to them. It is able (free) to be modified. Not necessarily without monatary cost. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 09:41:49 2002 Received: from pop017.verizon.net (pop017pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.210]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA26540 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:41:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bart.nks.net: Host pop017pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.210] claimed to be pop017.verizon.net Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.63.229.144]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021123144147.THMZ1423.pop017.verizon.net@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:41:47 -0600 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux friendly dial-up ISP From: Vince Meiste To: slug-track29@bart.nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211230843.19506.rfile@dragon> References: <1037991778.1097.4.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> <200211230843.19506.rfile@dragon> Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=-/4NshTvA2JZMPUgXOqdF" Organization: Message-Id: <1038062548.1065.6.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 23 Nov 2002 09:42:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop017.verizon.net from [4.63.229.144] at Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:41:47 -0600 --=-/4NshTvA2JZMPUgXOqdF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-2207vUtpydGlxJUNQ9UB" --=-2207vUtpydGlxJUNQ9UB Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks everybody for your input on this. You've given me some ISP's I hadn't heard of before and a few I'd already checked out and was looking for feed back on. Muchos grass........... :-) PS - If innet.com would hire me as a sysadmin, I'd show up at the New Port Richey SLUG meetings!! On Sat, 2002-11-23 at 08:43, Bob File wrote: > On Friday 22 November 2002 02:02 pm, Vince Meiste wrote: > > Any recommendations on a Linux friendly dial-up (unlimited hrs., email > > and web access) ISP for Pasco? The cheaper the better. Thanks......... > You already have a bunch of answers, but thought I would chime in... > I am using innet.com which charges the usual twenty dollars and is based in > New Port Richey. Also they use Linux to run their servers. You get to support > a local business, plus Linux ;-} . > I wonder if I could get one of their sysadmins to show up at a New Port Richey > meeting? -- Vince Meiste --=-2207vUtpydGlxJUNQ9UB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks everybody for your input on this.   You've given me some ISP's I hadn't heard of before and a few I'd already checked out and was looking for feed back on.  Muchos grass...........  :-)

PS - If innet.com would hire me as a sysadmin, I'd show up at the New Port Richey SLUG meetings!!

On Sat, 2002-11-23 at 08:43, Bob File wrote:
On Friday 22 November 2002 02:02 pm, Vince Meiste wrote:
> Any recommendations on a Linux friendly dial-up (unlimited hrs., email
> and web access) ISP for Pasco?  The cheaper the better.  Thanks.........
You already have a bunch of answers, but thought I would chime in...
I am using innet.com which charges the usual twenty dollars and is based in 
New Port Richey. Also they use Linux to run their servers. You get to support 
a local business, plus Linux ;-} .
I wonder if I could get one of their sysadmins to show up at a New Port Richey 
meeting?
--
Vince Meiste <vince.meiste@gte.net>
--=-2207vUtpydGlxJUNQ9UB-- --=-/4NshTvA2JZMPUgXOqdF Content-ID: <1038062447.1031.3.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smiley-3.png Content-Type: image/png; name=smiley-3.png Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQCAYAAAAf8/9hAAAC+klEQVR42n2TbUjVdxTHP/+H69Xd a2VWlFe69rzthZJUoxeNOWoFGxEhYRRFmZSVW2u9ab2KejWE1qDNBkEQhS82VoiaZkVPmoWaKNM5 mA+opbd771//997//T/+epHBarEPHA6Hc84XDnwP/JcwcBS4AVgzcR04ONN7C+md+pcPCz44dPLA arZs/gg1UABuGkvvp7X1Iad+itE/YtUAle8TuH26sujzqq/LkJQsnOQQVmIASVJQMhehZORiJwc5 d76FH2pf3gY2Aigzy7+eObqmtOqbXbjGGHZqCM+eQpJ9AHhWFCc5CAjWf1KAkppc+qg3vRCol4Fw 0aqcisOVW3HTE7hmBElSKD/5GFkNMhH1KDvegST78CwNSfZxeM88VuYrh4CwAuxqvxL6MnPuWiy9 H1kNUPH9fZofDKPpHn8/z+Z6Yw8JK5stX5VhRO6h+OfiV3WaHxtPVKAwmF+KqXUDMkgqZ0+UoKcE P57/GXOqh46ODqrPXUQfufb6YOGxJOQD2CaHQnnlAJ4zDXggHBYvK6ap6Rau+RIz1k7djd+YHrqM pXUC4KQnWTRPAdiuRqNRkFQG/omRNJOsKVQw408xtS4QDsI10AaqEY6O8Fzq70fJy3XI8gsA5HTa rBdOkvwFKj39EWrr/sJzEnj29OvsphGugfBsLlwbZnjcYN36LxiLuADtMtCUetFAcE4ee8s+pbHV YtOemwhHx3MSaPEY3X9OUnqsk5a2OMeP7KC3t4u+3gRALUC4cEW2eN62Q4ze3SAiz74TDxvOiI+X BcTsoCoyfJKYn6OKmrMbxGRnlXhyJSSqv80Vq0KSAFa+ceKl0wcK9lfsW42TGsE/pxhfcDmKfz6e FUPg4iRH6Ov6g9EJh1t341xusWuAyn9b+c7BrbklJ8oDZGTOQpL9ePY08SmDpCEwbcHwuE370yku Nlj3gM/e90yXliyU9+8sCVJYlEUgU8IwBZruMThm83uzxsAYV4Hd/A9h4BjQBthAFOgDLgDF7w6/ ArI6YJ0eTQeGAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC --=-/4NshTvA2JZMPUgXOqdF-- From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 10:17:16 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA26815 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:17:16 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA26812 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:17:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18435 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:17:15 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([198.176.253.2]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gANFGWkY011666 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:16:33 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:15:13 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A980@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:15:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I wonder what is a quick and greasy way to make a "honeypot" to see what you can get out of these turkeys? I was just looking at mine and almost all of them are 137, there are a few 80's and there was one to port 40378. Be fun to mess with their brain (if they have one) > -----Original Message----- > From: Smitty [mailto:a.smitty@verizon.net] > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 02:43 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner > > > On Friday 22 November 2002 13:11, you wrote: > > Re: scanning by RR in their own address space > > > > I made a written note to myself, in my IDS at home I logged the > > following: (times EST, NTP synch'd) > > > > 6 Nov 05:00:39 from 24.30.199.228 attempt to port 1080 socks > > 6 Nov 05:18:51 from 24.30.199.228 attempt to port 3128 squid > > 6 Nov 06:31:39 from 24.30.199.228 attempt to port 8080 proxy > > > > I am in the 24.94.x.x. space. This source address, above, > is the same as > > that described below, rev lookup to the same name. > > > > I get many other attempts at home from various 24.x.x.x > addresses to port > > 80, > > less so to 445. By far the most attempts from _any_ source > address, are to > > port 137, > > trying to resolve netbios name "CKAAAAA..." (this is just > * followed by > > nulls). > > Many are coming from Poland now. > > Ya, the most common scan is for 137. Lot of nice ms exploit > possibilities from > there. > > > > I am also getting several attempts a day from 24.94.39.9 looking for > > several ports including 12345 and 27374, the subseven and > netbus ports. > > I suspect it is a trojanized machine. It is near Rochester NY in the > > southern > > tier of NY, his workgroup is Capecci Wines/Tony Capecci but > not findable in > > Google. > > Wonder how long it will take RR to discover this. ?? > (...stny.rr.com) > > It is a zombie machine and Capecci may even have indication > that it is and not > want to do anything about it. > > > > I see as many as 15 to 20 different IPs most every day > trying any of a > > dozen different > > ports. Again that's just at home. One that has really > dropped off is port > > 111 the > > RPC portmapper port. Guess the haker3 have decided that no > one on home > > connections runs unix. Ha. > > Just for the heck of it, I following my iptables logs one > evening and pinged > every host who scanned my box. Then did traceroutes on them. > The activity > actually abated a bit after doing this. > > > > Bob Foxworth > > > ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 10:51:27 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA27074 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:51:27 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA27059 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:51:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18705 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:51:26 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (bay1-dav71.bay1.hotmail.com [65.54.244.206]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gANFo6kY013699 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:50:07 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 07:50:01 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [4.62.213.157] From: "Jim Grant" To: References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A980@dallas.utilpart.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:49:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2002 15:50:01.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB6F6170:01C29307] X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Check out www.honeynet.org/papers/honeynet These are the guys who know how to do this stuff and do it well. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: RE: [SLUG] regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner > I wonder what is a quick and greasy way to make > a "honeypot" to see what you can get out of these > turkeys? > I was just looking at mine and almost all of them > are 137, there are a few 80's and there was one > to port 40378. > > Be fun to mess with their brain (if they have one) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Smitty [mailto:a.smitty@verizon.net] > > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 02:43 PM > > To: slug@nks.net > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner > > > > > > On Friday 22 November 2002 13:11, you wrote: > > > Re: scanning by RR in their own address space > > > > > > I made a written note to myself, in my IDS at home I logged the > > > following: (times EST, NTP synch'd) > > > > > > 6 Nov 05:00:39 from 24.30.199.228 attempt to port 1080 socks > > > 6 Nov 05:18:51 from 24.30.199.228 attempt to port 3128 squid > > > 6 Nov 06:31:39 from 24.30.199.228 attempt to port 8080 proxy > > > > > > I am in the 24.94.x.x. space. This source address, above, > > is the same as > > > that described below, rev lookup to the same name. > > > > > > I get many other attempts at home from various 24.x.x.x > > addresses to port > > > 80, > > > less so to 445. By far the most attempts from _any_ source > > address, are to > > > port 137, > > > trying to resolve netbios name "CKAAAAA..." (this is just > > * followed by > > > nulls). > > > Many are coming from Poland now. > > > > Ya, the most common scan is for 137. Lot of nice ms exploit > > possibilities from > > there. > > > > > > I am also getting several attempts a day from 24.94.39.9 looking for > > > several ports including 12345 and 27374, the subseven and > > netbus ports. > > > I suspect it is a trojanized machine. It is near Rochester NY in the > > > southern > > > tier of NY, his workgroup is Capecci Wines/Tony Capecci but > > not findable in > > > Google. > > > Wonder how long it will take RR to discover this. ?? > > (...stny.rr.com) > > > > It is a zombie machine and Capecci may even have indication > > that it is and not > > want to do anything about it. > > > > > > I see as many as 15 to 20 different IPs most every day > > trying any of a > > > dozen different > > > ports. Again that's just at home. One that has really > > dropped off is port > > > 111 the > > > RPC portmapper port. Guess the haker3 have decided that no > > one on home > > > connections runs unix. Ha. > > > > Just for the heck of it, I following my iptables logs one > > evening and pinged > > every host who scanned my box. Then did traceroutes on them. > > The activity > > actually abated a bit after doing this. > > > > > > Bob Foxworth > > > > > > > > ***************************************************************** > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is > addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify > the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and > remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions > and other information in this message that do not relate to the official > business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor > endorsed by it. > > Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com > ***************************************************************** > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 16:02:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA29634 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:02:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA29631 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:02:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21631 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:02:05 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gANL0hkY000865 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:00:58 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gANL0aCB026066 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:00:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] Question about X and stability From: Matt To: SLUG Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Textbox Networks Message-Id: <1038085138.1282.24.camel@slacker.textbox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 23 Nov 2002 15:58:58 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have a Thinkpad 390e (PII 300MHz - 256MB) and for the most part SuSE runs absolutely wonderful. I think since the install I have rebooted 4 times as stability and performance has also been just as pleasing but I get minor glitches in X about every 7 days or so, requiring me to restart X. In Windows (9X or XP) I would need to reboot about every 48 hours as with Linux my last reboot was 22 days ago. I have checked load, processes, heat - everything is normal for my laptop. Is restarting X normal or should I shut down / reboot the machine more often? -- Matt Textbox Networks From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 16:21:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA29792 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:21:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA29789 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:21:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21805 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:21:15 -0500 Received: from ns3.webmasters.com (ns3.webmasters.com [66.118.156.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gANLKgkY002048 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:20:42 -0500 Received: (qmail 27642 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2002 21:23:57 -0000 Received: from 6532163hfc227.tampabay.rr.com (HELO ?192.168.1.60?) (65.32.163.227) by 66.118.156.142 with SMTP; 23 Nov 2002 21:23:57 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question about X and stability From: Andrew Wyatt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1038085138.1282.24.camel@slacker.textbox.net> References: <1038085138.1282.24.camel@slacker.textbox.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1038086246.18142.2.camel@lattitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 23 Nov 2002 16:17:26 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > processes, heat - everything is normal for my laptop. Is restarting X > normal or should I shut down / reboot the machine more often? No, it's not normal. Keep an eye on which applications are running, and look at the X logs when it does crash. I've seen X run for more than 6 months without a restart. -- Andrew Wyatt FEWT Software - http://www.fewt.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 18:31:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA30485 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:31:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA30326 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:30:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23528 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:30:52 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gANLn6kY003836 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:49:07 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gANLn0CB016727 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:49:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question about X and stability From: Matt To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1038086246.18142.2.camel@lattitude> References: <1038085138.1282.24.camel@slacker.textbox.net> <1038086246.18142.2.camel@lattitude> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Textbox Networks Message-Id: <1038088042.1739.5.camel@slacker.textbox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 23 Nov 2002 16:47:23 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug It's not that X is crashing, I'm sure I could leave it up for however long. It's just that after a week or so it lags a bit when browsing locally, or launching apps is slower then normal. Once I restart X it's fine.... Maybe it's time for me to break the 500MHz barrer and join the rest of the world ;p On Sat, 2002-11-23 at 16:17, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > > processes, heat - everything is normal for my laptop. Is restarting X > > normal or should I shut down / reboot the machine more often? > > No, it's not normal. Keep an eye on which applications are running, and > look at the X logs when it does crash. I've seen X run for more than 6 > months without a restart. -- Matt Fully Automatic Records http://fullauto.textbox.net From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 18:54:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA30804 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:54:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA30801 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:54:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23675 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:54:23 -0500 Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gANNrj8p032542 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:53:45 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.97.117]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021123235344.XII22402.out001.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:53:44 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question about X and stability Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:57:18 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <1038085138.1282.24.camel@slacker.textbox.net> <1038086246.18142.2.camel@lattitude> <1038088042.1739.5.camel@slacker.textbox.net> In-Reply-To: <1038088042.1739.5.camel@slacker.textbox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211231857.18728.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out001.verizon.net from [4.47.97.117] at Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:53:44 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 23 November 2002 16:47, you wrote: > It's not that X is crashing, I'm sure I could leave it up for however > long. It's just that after a week or so it lags a bit when browsing > locally, or launching apps is slower then normal. Once I restart X it's > fine.... That could be a symptom of your ram getting full. You don't need to reboot, if you need to restart X you can do that with ctrl+alt+backspace. > > Maybe it's time for me to break the 500MHz barrer and join the rest of > the world ;p I suggest you get more ram. 500 MB should suffice. > > On Sat, 2002-11-23 at 16:17, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > > > processes, heat - everything is normal for my laptop. Is restarting X > > > normal or should I shut down / reboot the machine more often? > > > > No, it's not normal. Keep an eye on which applications are running, and > > look at the X logs when it does crash. I've seen X run for more than 6 > > months without a restart. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 23:23:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA00422 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:23:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA00417 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:23:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28434 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:23:08 -0500 Received: from ns3.webmasters.com (ns3.webmasters.com [66.118.156.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gANNqAkY011954 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:52:10 -0500 Received: (qmail 10962 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2002 23:55:32 -0000 Received: from 6532163hfc227.tampabay.rr.com (HELO ?192.168.1.60?) (65.32.163.227) by 66.118.156.142 with SMTP; 23 Nov 2002 23:55:32 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question about X and stability From: Andrew Wyatt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1038088042.1739.5.camel@slacker.textbox.net> References: <1038085138.1282.24.camel@slacker.textbox.net> <1038086246.18142.2.camel@lattitude> <1038088042.1739.5.camel@slacker.textbox.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1038095602.20501.7.camel@lattitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 23 Nov 2002 18:53:22 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sat, 2002-11-23 at 16:47, Matt wrote: > It's not that X is crashing, I'm sure I could leave it up for however > long. It's just that after a week or so it lags a bit when browsing > locally, or launching apps is slower then normal. Once I restart X it's > fine.... AHHH! Open a terminal, and run TOP. Check your CPU usage, and then sort by memory ("M" must be caps) and see if there is a process that is using a ton of memory that could be killed. I checked my wife's computer last night and noticed that the weather applet that comes with RedHat 8 was using 190MB of ram! LOL > Maybe it's time for me to break the 500MHz barrer and join the rest of > the world ;p > I'm using a PII 400, and have no speed problems. ;-) -- Andrew Wyatt FEWT Software - http://www.fewt.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 23:41:53 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA00755 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:41:53 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA00711 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:41:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28803 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:41:48 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAO0HakY013618 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:17:36 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (24161239hfc218.tampabay.rr.com [24.161.239.218]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAO0HUfC016455 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:17:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question about X and stability From: Matt To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200211231857.18728.a.smitty@verizon.net> References: <1038085138.1282.24.camel@slacker.textbox.net> <1038086246.18142.2.camel@lattitude> <1038088042.1739.5.camel@slacker.textbox.net> <200211231857.18728.a.smitty@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Textbox Networks Message-Id: <1038096952.1743.9.camel@slacker.textbox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 23 Nov 2002 19:15:52 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm maxed on RAM - 2 128MB SODIMMs - it's all that this laptop can handle as 256 is what it maxes out at. At any given time I have about 16MB from of physcial mem - my swap never really gets touched ( 128MB - 6MB used) > I suggest you get more ram. 500 MB should suffice. > > > > On Sat, 2002-11-23 at 16:17, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > > > > processes, heat - everything is normal for my laptop. Is restarting X > > > > normal or should I shut down / reboot the machine more often? > > > > > > No, it's not normal. Keep an eye on which applications are running, and > > > look at the X logs when it does crash. I've seen X run for more than 6 > > > months without a restart. > -- Matt Fully Automatic Records http://fullauto.textbox.net From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 23 23:41:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA00748 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:41:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA00704 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:41:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28791 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:41:47 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAO1AvkY017064 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 20:10:57 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.50] (196-1.9-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.9.1.196]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03174 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 20:09:51 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] St. Pete Meeting From: Aaron Steimle To: "slug@nks.net" Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 23 Nov 2002 20:11:20 -0500 Message-Id: <1038100281.8018.20.camel@slug> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug For those interested, I have set up a computer with some distro's on it. As of this writing I have: redhat 8.0, 3 iso's Mandrake 9.0, 3 iso's debian 3.0, 7 iso's gentoo 1.2, 1 iso slackware 8.1, 1 iso demolinux 3, 1 iso I have used mkisofs to convert Suse 8.1 into iso's. I have already converted the DVD (maybe someone has a dvd-burner). I have gotten to the other 7 cd's yet. The plan is to let people download them from this computer if they would like, via ftp. I also just got a 48x writer, I have not hooked it up yet ( should have time tomorrow). If you would like any of the above, I purchased a pack of 100 cd's. I am donated them to SLUG. So, if you want a distro and don't have the bandwidth to download it, come to the meeting and I will burn it for you ( time permitting). If anyone has a specific distro that I haven't listed and would like it, please email me and I will download it. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 24 06:22:05 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA05919 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 06:22:05 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA05916 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 06:22:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02063 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 06:22:04 -0500 Received: from ns.tbi.net (ns.tbi.net [209.141.252.3]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAOBLQ8p012096 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 06:21:27 -0500 Received: from poor-soul (mail.jpow.net [207.204.243.149]) by ns.tbi.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAOBLRK15011 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 06:21:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <200211240621300465.04388D46@mail.tbi.net> In-Reply-To: <1038100281.8018.20.camel@slug> References: <1038100281.8018.20.camel@slug> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 06:21:30 -0500 From: "Brother Joseph" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete Meeting Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Aaron; What is the address of your FTP server? When is the St. Pete meeting? I am interested in the Slackware 8.1. Thanks Joe *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 11/23/2002 at 8:11 PM Aaron Steimle wrote: >For those interested, I have set up a computer with some distro's on it. >As of this writing I have: >redhat 8.0, 3 iso's >Mandrake 9.0, 3 iso's >debian 3.0, 7 iso's >gentoo 1.2, 1 iso >slackware 8.1, 1 iso >demolinux 3, 1 iso > >I have used mkisofs to convert Suse 8.1 into iso's. I have already >converted the DVD (maybe someone has a dvd-burner). I have gotten to the >other 7 cd's yet. > >The plan is to let people download them from this computer if they would >like, via ftp. I also just got a 48x writer, I have not hooked it up yet >( should have time tomorrow). If you would like any of the above, I >purchased a pack of 100 cd's. I am donated them to SLUG. So, if you want >a distro and don't have the bandwidth to download it, come to the >meeting and I will burn it for you ( time permitting). > >If anyone has a specific distro that I haven't listed and would like it, >please email me and I will download it. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 24 07:05:38 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA11580 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 07:05:38 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA11577 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 07:05:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03057 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 07:05:37 -0500 Received: from clmboh1-smtp5.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp5.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.116]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAOC4tkY031303 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 07:04:55 -0500 Received: from columbus.rr.com (dhcp065-024-096-238.columbus.rr.com [65.24.96.238]) by clmboh1-smtp5.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id gAOC4nH03711 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 07:04:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DE0C05C.3090502@columbus.rr.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 07:04:44 -0500 From: Paul Hostetler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.2a) Gecko/20020910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete Meeting References: <1038100281.8018.20.camel@slug> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Aaron Steimle wrote: > For those interested, I have set up a computer with some distro's on it. > As of this writing I have: > redhat 8.0, 3 iso's > Mandrake 9.0, 3 iso's > debian 3.0, 7 iso's > gentoo 1.2, 1 iso > slackware 8.1, 1 iso > demolinux 3, 1 iso > > I have used mkisofs to convert Suse 8.1 into iso's. I have already > converted the DVD (maybe someone has a dvd-burner). I have gotten to the > other 7 cd's yet. http://www.suse.de/us/private/download/suse_linux/ I don't think you can put a legitimate SuSE iso online. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 24 09:37:14 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA12934 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:37:14 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA12931 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:37:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04546 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:37:13 -0500 Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAOEaU8p030358 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:36:30 -0500 Received: from 7-26.9-67.tampabay.rr.com ([67.9.26.7] helo=thor.sanders.lan) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Fxs5-0003rQ-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 06:36:29 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Larry Sanders To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:31:16 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A980@dallas.utilpart.com> In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A980@dallas.utilpart.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211240931.16483.rhatman@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 614c3855217255fdc15e89ea043e8aa89ef193a6bfc3dd4884734010b93c0722f84241b1220fc9dd85709c4405726f5b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id JAA12932 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The brains that you will be messing with are the ones that can turn off your service. On Saturday 23 November 2002 10:15 am, you wrote: > I wonder what is a quick and greasy way to make > a "honeypot" to see what you can get out of these > turkeys? > I was just looking at mine and almost all of them > are 137, there are a few 80's and there was one > to port 40378. > > Be fun to mess with their brain (if they have one) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Smitty [mailto:a.smitty@verizon.net] > > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 02:43 PM > > To: slug@nks.net > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner > > > > On Friday 22 November 2002 13:11, you wrote: > > > Re: scanning by RR in their own address space > > > > > > I made a written note to myself, in my IDS at home I logged the > > > following: (times EST, NTP synch'd) > > > > > > 6 Nov 05:00:39 from 24.30.199.228 attempt to port 1080 socks > > > 6 Nov 05:18:51 from 24.30.199.228 attempt to port 3128 squid > > > 6 Nov 06:31:39 from 24.30.199.228 attempt to port 8080 proxy > > > > > > I am in the 24.94.x.x. space. This source address, above, > > > > is the same as > > > > > that described below, rev lookup to the same name. > > > > > > I get many other attempts at home from various 24.x.x.x > > > > addresses to port > > > > > 80, > > > less so to 445. By far the most attempts from _any_ source > > > > address, are to > > > > > port 137, > > > trying to resolve netbios name "CKAAAAA..." (this is just > > > > * followed by > > > > > nulls). > > > Many are coming from Poland now. > > > > Ya, the most common scan is for 137. Lot of nice ms exploit > > possibilities from > > there. > > > > > I am also getting several attempts a day from 24.94.39.9 looking for > > > several ports including 12345 and 27374, the subseven and > > > > netbus ports. > > > > > I suspect it is a trojanized machine. It is near Rochester NY in the > > > southern > > > tier of NY, his workgroup is Capecci Wines/Tony Capecci but > > > > not findable in > > > > > Google. > > > Wonder how long it will take RR to discover this. ?? > > > > (...stny.rr.com) > > > > It is a zombie machine and Capecci may even have indication > > that it is and not > > want to do anything about it. > > > > > I see as many as 15 to 20 different IPs most every day > > > > trying any of a > > > > > dozen different > > > ports. Again that's just at home. One that has really > > > > dropped off is port > > > > > 111 the > > > RPC portmapper port. Guess the haker3 have decided that no > > > > one on home > > > > > connections runs unix. Ha. > > > > Just for the heck of it, I following my iptables logs one > > evening and pinged > > every host who scanned my box. Then did traceroutes on them. > > The activity > > actually abated a bit after doing this. > > > > > Bob Foxworth > > ***************************************************************** > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is > addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify > the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and > remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions > and other information in this message that do not relate to the official > business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor > endorsed by it. > > Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com > ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 24 11:35:49 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA13945 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:35:49 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA13940 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:35:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05625 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:35:48 -0500 Received: from mail.penguix.net (mail.penguix.net [63.165.224.3]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAOGZ1kY014435 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:35:01 -0500 Received: from [63.165.224.200] (unknown [63.165.224.200]) by mail.penguix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7153012855 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:39:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner From: Todd Robinson To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211240931.16483.rhatman@earthlink.net> References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A980@dallas.utilpart.com> <200211240931.16483.rhatman@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1038155693.7629.1654.camel@alf> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 24 Nov 2002 11:34:54 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yeah, I've found them to be lacking a certain 'sense of humor'. On Sun, 2002-11-24 at 09:31, Larry Sanders wrote: > The brains that you will be messing with are > the ones that can turn off your service. > > > On Saturday 23 November 2002 10:15 am, you wrote: > > I wonder what is a quick and greasy way to make > > a "honeypot" to see what you can get out of these > > turkeys? > > I was just looking at mine and almost all of them > > are 137, there are a few 80's and there was one > > to port 40378. > > > > Be fun to mess with their brain (if they have one) -- Todd Robinson From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 24 13:42:15 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA14998 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:42:15 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14995 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:42:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06766 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:42:14 -0500 Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAOIfb8p013523 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:41:38 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18G1hJ-0007hT-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:41:37 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18G1gU-0005QL-00 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:40:46 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] RFC: GradeBook Database, Part II Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:40:44 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e76dff296e5b6b46c5150d50e46c8d387a8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello everyone, About a month ago I solicited comment about the my GradeBook project database. I made various recommended changes, and have posted the update to my server: http://www.village-smurf.com/GradeBook/schema_v2 There's still a few things I'm unclear on, and I've also had trouble integrating all of the suggestions into one solution! :-) I appreciate all the help everyone has offered so far... Russell - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE94R0tAqKGrvVshJQRArcDAJkBJOiOlQof287pKh54d4IK8+5/PQCg8pk4 5yhWBGnuVnHXLnAvtQYdO8A= =V7ql -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 24 14:04:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA15176 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:04:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA15173 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:04:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06982 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:04:54 -0500 From: wchast@utilpart.com Received: from dallas.utilpart.com ([198.176.253.2]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAOJ4c8p015054 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:04:39 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:03:22 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A982@dallas.utilpart.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:03:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug These are not rr or TW addresses, fact they seem to be like someone said in places like Poland, France and Canada. > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Sanders [mailto:rhatman@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 09:31 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner > > > The brains that you will be messing with are > the ones that can turn off your service. > > > ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. 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Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com ***************************************************************** From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 24 15:54:44 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA16165 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:54:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA16162 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:54:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07961 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:54:43 -0500 Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAOKs38p022027 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:54:03 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18G3lS-0003hK-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:54:02 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18G3kd-0005WW-00 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:53:11 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RFC: GradeBook Database, Part II Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:53:10 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e76fb8390f4ff7ad52edb353fbed7b8be3e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Replying to my own message: On Sunday 24 November 2002 13:40 pm, you wrote: > Hello everyone, > > About a month ago I solicited comment about the my GradeBook project > database. I made various recommended changes, and have posted the update to > my server: > http://www.village-smurf.com/GradeBook/schema_v2 Since the hn.org server seems to be down (at least to me), and since hn.org does dns forwarding for me...please use the numeric address (which hasn't changed in over a month now...) http://4.33.6.150/GradeBook/schema_v2 Thanks! > There's still a few things I'm unclear on, and I've also had trouble > integrating all of the suggestions into one solution! :-) > > I appreciate all the help everyone has offered so far... > > Russell - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE94Tw2AqKGrvVshJQRAl5WAJ9u0t8EkaNXA8LeU289gtINW8FtqQCfRTxT 8/xGX9lKAY0OgFLx7FrPi0s= =nHe0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 24 17:09:58 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA16798 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:09:58 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA16795 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:09:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08697 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:09:58 -0500 Received: from ns3.webmasters.com (ns3.webmasters.com [66.118.156.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAOM9PkY001021 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:09:25 -0500 Received: (qmail 15108 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2002 22:13:01 -0000 Received: from 6532163hfc227.tampabay.rr.com (HELO ?192.168.1.60?) (65.32.163.227) by 66.118.156.142 with SMTP; 24 Nov 2002 22:13:01 -0000 Subject: [SLUG] scripts site From: Andrew Wyatt To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1038175574.6741.5.camel@lattitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 24 Nov 2002 17:06:15 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hello all, I've spent the last few weeks cleaning up my old scripts and listing them up on www.fewt.com for all to use. There's some good stuff up there, I hope you all find them useful. Get them at http://www.fewt.com -- Andrew Wyatt FEWT Software - http://www.fewt.com From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 24 19:56:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA18303 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:56:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA18300 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:56:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10198 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:56:54 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAP0u98p005019 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:56:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 46655 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2002 00:56:35 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 25 Nov 2002 00:56:35 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18G7Xg-0001g5-00 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:56:04 -0500 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:55:59 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RFC: GradeBook Database, Part II Message-ID: <20021125005559.GB3830@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 01:40:44PM -0500, Russell Hires wrote: > About a month ago I solicited comment about the my GradeBook project > database. I made various recommended changes, and have posted the update to > my server: > http://www.village-smurf.com/GradeBook/schema_v2 > > There's still a few things I'm unclear on, and I've also had trouble > integrating all of the suggestions into one solution! :-) > > I appreciate all the help everyone has offered so far... > Drop the _tbl from all the table names. They're tables; you know it and everyone else does too. This may also help you to thing of the rows in these tables as _objects_. Drop the Class_Schedule table. It duplicates the Classes table. In fact, scour all these tables for duplicative fields. The only time you should have a duplicate field in two tables is if it's being used as a primary or foreign key; that is, it's used to tie the data in two tables together. Otherwise eliminate it. See "normalization". Make all your table names lowercase. If you're using PostgreSQL, this will save you trouble later. It involved quoting and such, which is a difficulty with PostgreSQL. I don't know about MySQL. Create a teachers_classes table with teacher_id and class_id in it. As you have it, there's no real way to cross reference these two things, even though they obviously go together. Primary key would be the class_id, since potentially you could have more than one teacher per class. It's not clear what the grades table is for. I assume it's for final grades per semester? The work_item table seems like the same thing as the assignments table. Grade_category table? Performance table? Don't see what these are for. You also need a table to tie students, courses, assignments and grades together. In other words, you want a way to show each student's grade on each assignment. You may not need the course_id field in this, if the assignments_id is unique throughout the whole of the school. You might also consider creating a set of *SQL queries to find out the kind of information a school might want out of this database. This will give you a better clue about what fields and tables you need. It will also give you a feel for how queries need to be structured to get what you want. I'm not talking about some GUI stuff. Just raw queries entered at the *SQL command line. Be exhaustive about it. Think about what teachers want to know, what administrators want to know, and what kids might want to know. HTH, Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 24 20:46:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA18766 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:46:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA18754 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:46:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10619 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:46:29 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAP1j9kY013349 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:45:09 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.50] (196-1.9-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.9.1.196]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04248 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:44:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete Meeting From: Aaron Steimle To: "slug@nks.net" In-Reply-To: <200211240621300465.04388D46@mail.tbi.net> References: <1038100281.8018.20.camel@slug> <200211240621300465.04388D46@mail.tbi.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 24 Nov 2002 20:45:54 -0500 Message-Id: <1038188755.2217.9.camel@slug> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > What is the address of your FTP server? When is the St. Pete meeting? I > am interested in the Slackware 8.1. > The FTP server is not a public one. It will be a machine that I will bring to the St. Pete. meeting. If you have the space, you can just download what you want. The St. Pete meeting is tomorrow ( Nov 25th 7-9 @ St. Pete Main library in the Auditorium) I will burn a copy of Slackware 8.1, you can pick it up at the meeting. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 24 20:48:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA18785 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:48:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA18782 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:48:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10636 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:48:09 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAP1lXkY013493 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:47:33 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.50] (196-1.9-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.9.1.196]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04251 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:46:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete Meeting From: Aaron Steimle To: "slug@nks.net" In-Reply-To: <3DE0C05C.3090502@columbus.rr.com> References: <1038100281.8018.20.camel@slug> <3DE0C05C.3090502@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 24 Nov 2002 20:48:18 -0500 Message-Id: <1038188900.2217.13.camel@slug> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > > http://www.suse.de/us/private/download/suse_linux/ > > I don't think you can put a legitimate SuSE iso online. Good point, but it will not be a public server. It also looks like I have ran out of time on getting the 7 Suse cds converted to iso's. I will have them for the next meeting though. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 24 22:33:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA19793 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:33:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA19790 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:33:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11632 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:33:23 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAP3Wd8p014977 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:32:39 -0500 Received: from test01 (102bus18.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.102.18]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAP3WdfC015902 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:32:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003a01c29433$4df15620$3249490a@test01> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A982@dallas.utilpart.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:32:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yes they are. (I am one of the someone) Incidentally I got a "ICMP PING NMAP" from our good helpful friends at 24.30.199.228 (securityscan.sec.rr.com) on the 21st at 2017 EST. I also was portscanned again yesterday, which actually takes up a fair amount of my bandwidth for about 20 minutes but this was not from a RR address, the IP sounded European. Did not look it up, actually As I write this at 2225 Sunday Drudge is reporting the Navy is seizing computers from 100 midshipmen full of illegally downloaded MP3 files. This at the Naval Academy. Apparently done at the urging of the music industry. Clone of BSA ?? > These are not rr or TW addresses, fact they seem to > be like someone said in places like Poland, France > and Canada. > > From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 24 22:43:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA19904 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:43:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA19900 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:43:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11724 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:43:19 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAP3gakY020169 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:42:36 -0500 Received: (qmail 49256 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2002 03:42:58 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 25 Nov 2002 03:42:58 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18GA8h-0001qe-00; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:42:27 -0500 To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, linux-announce@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: From: "Paul M. Foster" Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:42:27 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* BRANDON ************************************************** 5 December 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 7 December 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 11 December 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) PricewaterhouseCoopers -- Room 684 3109 W. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Blvd Lakepointe I Building Tampa, FL 33607 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#tampa for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 18 December 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Wednesday of each month) Baker Electronics 8323 Lindbergh Court Sarasota, FL See http://www.bish.net/directions/ DUNEDIN ************************************************** 28 December 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library, 223 Douglas Ave., Community Room A. Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 24 23:06:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA20121 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:06:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA20118 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:06:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11939 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:06:33 -0500 Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAP45v8p017032 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:05:57 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18GAVQ-0006Rg-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:05:57 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18GAUb-0005lQ-00 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:05:05 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RFC: GradeBook Database, Part II Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:05:03 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20021125005559.GB3830@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20021125005559.GB3830@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e761d8428a815ee884ece7e69f76ba84e9b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Drop the _tbl from all the table names. They're tables; you know it and > everyone else does too. This may also help you to thing of the rows in > these tables as _objects_. Good advice. I've taken it. > Drop the Class_Schedule table. It duplicates the Classes table. In fact, > scour all these tables for duplicative fields. The only time you should > have a duplicate field in two tables is if it's being used as a primary > or foreign key; that is, it's used to tie the data in two tables > together. Otherwise eliminate it. See "normalization". Yeah...this is where I'm having the most trouble. This is hard! :-) > Make all your table names lowercase. Done. > > Create a teachers_classes table with teacher_id and class_id in it. As > you have it, there's no real way to cross reference these two things, > even though they obviously go together. Primary key would be the > class_id, since potentially you could have more than one teacher per > class. Is this to be a separate table from the students_classes table, where I've got the three fields as student_id, class_id, teacher_id ? > It's not clear what the grades table is for. I assume it's for final > grades per semester? That's not the intention. It's supposed to be for a "running/current grade average" of all assignments up to this point. But maybe I don't need this to be kept in the database. That can be calculated on a dynamic basis, depending on the assignments that are in the DB already...I can have Zope deal with that for me... > The work_item table seems like the same thing as > the assignments table. Okay, so I took it out. >Grade_category table? Grade category is for tests vs daily assignments vs quizzes...each has a different value of points in the scale, and that information has to be kept somewhere >Performance table? Don't > see what these are for. > You also need a table to tie students, courses, assignments and grades > together. In other words, you want a way to show each student's grade on > each assignment. You may not need the course_id field in this, if the > assignments_id is unique throughout the whole of the school. Okay. Created this table. Called it "student location" as it tells where the kid is (in what class, who the kid is, his teacher's name, what the assignment is, what he got on the assignment) > You might also consider creating a set of *SQL queries to find out the > kind of information a school might want out of this database. This will > give you a better clue about what fields and tables you need. It will > also give you a feel for how queries need to be structured to get what > you want. I'm not talking about some GUI stuff. Just raw queries entered > at the *SQL command line. Be exhaustive about it. Think about what > teachers want to know, what administrators want to know, and what kids > might want to know. > > HTH, > > Paul Yes...this is very helpful... Thanks! Russell It's now at v3, the URL is the same, except the v2 is now v3... - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE94aFwAqKGrvVshJQRAri1AKDMOqkIGC0pPX11W9irIxfB16jsPQCbBh1l /MBXOB+ILEebJ2/rB7dtUTQ= =eAAK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Sun Nov 24 23:14:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA20184 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:14:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA20181 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:14:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12012 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:14:09 -0500 Received: from out003.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAP4DkkY021998 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:13:46 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.96.236]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021125041340.YWIA3748.out003.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:13:40 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:17:14 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A982@dallas.utilpart.com> <003a01c29433$4df15620$3249490a@test01> In-Reply-To: <003a01c29433$4df15620$3249490a@test01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211242317.15030.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out003.verizon.net from [4.47.96.236] at Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:13:40 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sunday 24 November 2002 22:32, you wrote: > > As I write this at 2225 Sunday Drudge is reporting the Navy is seizing > computers from 100 midshipmen full of illegally downloaded MP3 files. > This at the Naval Academy. Apparently done at the urging of the music > industry. Clone of BSA ?? Actually four groups, besides the RIAA and MPAA (the content cartel) was the SGA, songwriters guild of america, and the NMPA, national music publishers association. Seizing computers is rather extreme and not good for the morale of the troops in any case. Evidently the navy no longer wants their recruits to live up to the u.s. military motto, "Be all you can be." Smitty From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 02:20:55 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA22937 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:20:55 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA22934 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:20:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14508 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:20:54 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAP7KF8p030287 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:20:15 -0500 Received: (qmail 52079 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2002 07:20:42 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 25 Nov 2002 07:20:42 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18GDXO-00028z-00 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:20:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:20:06 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RFC: GradeBook Database, Part II Message-ID: <20021125072006.GA8184@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20021125005559.GB3830@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 11:05:03PM -0500, Russell Hires wrote: > > Drop the Class_Schedule table. It duplicates the Classes table. In fact, > > scour all these tables for duplicative fields. The only time you should > > have a duplicate field in two tables is if it's being used as a primary > > or foreign key; that is, it's used to tie the data in two tables > > together. Otherwise eliminate it. See "normalization". > Yeah...this is where I'm having the most trouble. This is hard! :-) Hmm. I don't know how to make it easy. It's intuitive to me, but I've been messing with databases for years. Basically, you don't want any duplicate fields anywhere except for keys. And any table has to be indexed by a key that doesn't allow duplicate records. That's _way_ over-simplified and not totally true, but it's kind of a snapshot. > > Create a teachers_classes table with teacher_id and class_id in it. As > > you have it, there's no real way to cross reference these two things, > > even though they obviously go together. Primary key would be the > > class_id, since potentially you could have more than one teacher per > > class. > Is this to be a separate table from the students_classes table, where I've > got the three fields as student_id, class_id, teacher_id ? I musta missed that. > > It's not clear what the grades table is for. I assume it's for final > > grades per semester? > That's not the intention. It's supposed to be for a "running/current grade > average" of all assignments up to this point. But maybe I don't need this to > be kept in the database. That can be calculated on a dynamic basis, depending > on the assignments that are in the DB already...I can have Zope deal with > that for me... Agreed. > > The work_item table seems like the same thing as > > the assignments table. > Okay, so I took it out. > >Grade_category table? > Grade category is for tests vs daily assignments vs quizzes...each has a > different value of points in the scale, and that information has to be kept > somewhere Hmm. This should probably be in the assignments table then. The assumption is that every assignment by every teacher for every class has a different unique ID associated with it. The "weight" and "type" of the assignment can simply be appended to the assignments table, since that weight/type is directly tied to the individual assignment. I'm assuming that the assignments table is just a list of all the assignments all the teachers have given or will give. > >Performance table? Don't > > see what these are for. > > > You also need a table to tie students, courses, assignments and grades > > together. In other words, you want a way to show each student's grade on > > each assignment. You may not need the course_id field in this, if the > > assignments_id is unique throughout the whole of the school. > Okay. Created this table. Called it "student location" as it tells where the > kid is (in what class, who the kid is, his teacher's name, what the > assignment is, what he got on the assignment) Again, this is duplicative effort. If you know the assignment id, then you know the teacher, since each assignment will have a different teacher id right in the assignments table. The point of this table isn't really to locate the student. The point is that this is the table where each student's complete grades on all assignments are for the year or semester. If you want to know the grade Johnny got on the third quiz this semester, this is the table where you find that. So here's what you need. First you need an assignment id, since grades are assigned against assignments. Could be a test, a quiz, homework, whatever. That stuff's is in the assignments table. But the grade and the assignment go together in this table. And you need at least one more thing to be able to tie the student to this assignment: the student id. An assignment doesn't have a grade by itself. It only has a grade in relation to a student. You'd say, "Student A made 86% on assignment B." That tells you all you need to know about that grade. You could actually call this the "grades" or "raw_grades" table. You may run into another problem with this. Teachers fudge grades for students they like; I know, I had teachers do this for me. The raw grades and their weights may add up to one thing, but the teacher may take into account the attitude of the student and their assistance during the course. As a result, although the student actually scored an 89% for the semester, the teacher may up that to 91% arbitrarily. The teacher may know that the student is trying to get into a good college, and just slacked off this semester; but she know's he's capable of doing the work. So if you have a table with final grades in it, it can't necessarily be tied to the calculated grade for each student. You'll have to give the teacher some leeway to "fudge". You should probably update your website, since it looks like you've made significant changes. We should take this offlist. I don't want to test the patience of the people on the list, most of whom probably couldn't care less about this. Feel free to reply offlist, and I'll do what I can to help. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 07:52:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA26599 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:52:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA26594 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:52:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18601 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:52:45 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAPCq9kY021142 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:52:10 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA04695 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:51:03 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c29480$55059870$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: Subject: [SLUG] St. Pete LUG Meeting Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:44:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug ST. PETE******************************************** 25 November 19:00-21:00 St. Pete (last monday of every month) Saint Petersburg Library ( Main Branch) 3745 Ninth Avenue North St. Petersburg, FL 33713 (727) 893-7724 **************************************************** I am really bad with directions, but, the library is really easy to get too, just get on 9th ave north and go east or west, depending on where you are coming from, untill you get 37th street. You can't miss it, it is the big building with all the books. The meeting will be held in the auditorium, which is on the left after you walk in, can't miss it. Like I have said previously, I am donating 100 cd's to the slug. If you want a distro and don't have the resourses to get it, then let me know. This is what I have now: redhat 8.0, 3 iso's Mandrake 9.0, 3 iso's debian 3.0, 7 iso's gentoo 1.2, 1 iso slackware 8.1, 1 iso demolinux 3, 1 iso Linux Format CD issue 34 At the meeting I will supply a hub so people ( if they wish) can connect to this computer and download what they wish ( via ftp..not a public server). If time permits I will burn any cd's that people need ( first come first server). I think that is all. Hope to see you there. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 10:52:44 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA28252 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:52:44 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA28249 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:52:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20437 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:52:43 -0500 Received: from t3t.com (ntserver.pccom1.com [216.136.30.137] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAPFpo8p000882 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:51:50 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.51] [64.132.253.199] by t3t.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A71677C03F0; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:51:50 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] Kernel 2.4.19 and 8GB of memory? From: Ryland Bingham To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 25 Nov 2002 10:53:32 -0500 Message-Id: <1038239613.5641.16.camel@t3hp1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I'm getting ready to build a monster. I've got an IBM x360 with four 2.0GHZ zeon MP's, with 8GB of memory. Does anybody know how much Memory is Addressable by default with the 2.4.19 kernel? I think I read that there is support for 36bit addressing, but is this a patch or an option when I make the kernel? I'm going to be installing RH 8.0 and then replacing with a generic kernel + a patch for SMP control. Any body have experience in building large machines? Thanks -- Ryland Bingham Unix/Linux Specialist T3 Technologies, Inc. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 11:14:40 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA28489 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:14:40 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA28486 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:14:40 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20719; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:14:29 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA16390; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:14:29 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net, Andrew Wyatt Subject: Re: [SLUG] The Ole Apple IIe Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:14:29 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <003601c292b5$422bd560$33452041@tampabay.rr.com> <1038057189.3070.4.camel@lattitude> In-Reply-To: <1038057189.3070.4.camel@lattitude> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211251114.29333.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id LAA28487 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Saturday 23 November 2002 08:13, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > On Sat, 2002-11-23 at 00:57, bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > > Ok folks here is something that me and Diane are dying to find out. > > My sister brought out a ole Apple IIe Pc to the house today. > > > > I found this on Linux Guruz webpage > > http://foldoc.linuxguruz.org/foldoc.php?6502 > > I am wondering is there actually a version of Unix/Linux os that will > > load on this thing? > > WOW, from my small amount of research this morning, it appears to be > possible. > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%2B%226502+linux >%22+%2Bapple > > I found a linux kernel out there running on a C64 too! No readily > available distributions for either system though it seems. Let me know > if you get any further with this, retro computing is one of my hobbies. > ;-) A fat monolithic linux kernel running on 64K C64. Unlikely, and generally pointless. Implementing even a simple IP stack takes quite a bit of RAM. Sure, there were memory expanders in the day, but they were never cheap or even common. Running a http server on a c64 is "interesting", but I'd have to draw the line at some point. The 6502 was a great processor to learn on. In elementary/high-school, I had fun writing demos/intros and learning the VIC/SID/CIA hardware features that made such tricks possible. However, outside of a VICE image with .d64 images of my old development floppies, there simply isn't anything left on that platform for me beyond reminiscing of simpler times. -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 11:19:54 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA28559 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:19:54 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA28556 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:19:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20801 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:19:53 -0500 Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAPGJ88p002843 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:19:09 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.96.236]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021125161906.OEUA22402.out001.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:19:06 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel 2.4.19 and 8GB of memory? Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:22:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <1038239613.5641.16.camel@t3hp1> In-Reply-To: <1038239613.5641.16.camel@t3hp1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211251122.40996.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out001.verizon.net from [4.47.96.236] at Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:19:06 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 25 November 2002 10:53, you wrote: > I'm getting ready to build a monster. I've got an IBM x360 with four > 2.0GHZ zeon MP's, with 8GB of memory. Does anybody know how much Memory > is Addressable by default with the 2.4.19 kernel? That kernel should be able to handle that memory. Bear in mind that RH 8.0 uses the 2.4.18 kernel, which is different than what you specify. SuSE 8.1 uses the 2.4.19 kernel and you can select a standard or smp kernel for installation. I would not recommend a generic kernel unless you want to do your own compiling and patching - and you know exactly what you are doing. Smitty > > I think I read that there is support for 36bit addressing, but is this a > patch or an option when I make the kernel? I'm going to be installing > RH 8.0 and then replacing with a generic kernel + a patch for SMP > control. Any body have experience in building large machines? > > Thanks From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 11:36:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA28829 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:36:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA28826 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:36:20 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21093; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:36:18 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17375; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:36:18 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net, Ryland Bingham Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel 2.4.19 and 8GB of memory? Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:36:17 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <1038239613.5641.16.camel@t3hp1> In-Reply-To: <1038239613.5641.16.camel@t3hp1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211251136.17563.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id LAA28827 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 25 November 2002 10:53, Ryland Bingham wrote: > I'm getting ready to build a monster. I've got an IBM x360 with four > 2.0GHZ zeon MP's, with 8GB of memory. Does anybody know how much Memory > is Addressable by default with the 2.4.19 kernel? Physical Memory addressible using PAE mode: 64G Virtual Memory addressable by any running process: 4G While physical memory can be accessed in 36bits, the process space still remains 32bit. While the kernel can change its process space to access the extra RAM as it needs to, a process cannot - it is effectively limited to 3G (from the 3G/1G split of the 4G addressable 32bit space). > I think I read that there is support for 36bit addressing, but is this a > patch or an option when I make the kernel? I'm going to be installing > RH 8.0 and then replacing with a generic kernel + a patch for SMP > control. Any body have experience in building large machines? You want a kernel built with PAE support (CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G). "36bit addressing" is offered by the Intel PAE mode memory access. It's an option that you set when building your kernel. It does impose a 3-6% speed penalty, but you get to use that precious RAM ;) I believe there is a "RedHat 8.0 Enterprise" version that has kernels prebuilt with larger memory models. -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 11:46:06 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA28938 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:46:06 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA28935 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:46:05 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21213; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:46:03 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17749; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:46:03 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net, Smitty Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel 2.4.19 and 8GB of memory? Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:46:02 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <1038239613.5641.16.camel@t3hp1> <200211251122.40996.a.smitty@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200211251122.40996.a.smitty@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211251146.02812.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id LAA28936 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 25 November 2002 11:22, Smitty wrote: > On Monday 25 November 2002 10:53, you wrote: > > I'm getting ready to build a monster. I've got an IBM x360 with four > > 2.0GHZ zeon MP's, with 8GB of memory. Does anybody know how much Memory > > is Addressable by default with the 2.4.19 kernel? > > That kernel should be able to handle that memory. Bear in mind that RH 8.0 > uses the 2.4.18 kernel, which is different than what you specify. SuSE 8.1 > uses the 2.4.19 kernel and you can select a standard or smp kernel for > installation. I would not recommend a generic kernel unless you want to do > your own compiling and patching - and you know exactly what you are doing. > Smitty Memory model is independant of the kernel version or wether it was built with SMP support. In older 2.3 development kernels, HIGHMEM was called "BIGMEM", but they're the same thing. There are three memory models: Without CONFIG_HIGHMEM (<1G) CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G (<4G) [2% overhead] CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G (<64G) "PAE" mode [3-6% overhead] When you compile your kernel, you can build it with only one of the above three memory models. That kernel will only support the memory model it is built with. Selecting an SMP kernel built without HIGHMEM support will not let your kernel access physical memory above the 1G mark. You need an SMP kernel built with CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G (PAE) for the kernel to access the full 8G of memory. -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 11:52:24 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA29023 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:52:24 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA29020 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:52:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21304 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:52:23 -0500 Received: from ns3.webmasters.com (ns3.webmasters.com [66.118.156.141]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAPGpR8p005203 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:51:27 -0500 Received: (qmail 18163 invoked by uid 48); 25 Nov 2002 16:55:21 -0000 Date: 25 Nov 2002 16:55:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20021125165521.18162.qmail@ns3.webmasters.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: Re: [SLUG] The Ole Apple IIe From: awyatt@fewt.com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: 4Mail by WEBMASTERS.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=b86fa56b0b7bce4b677925c2f689d8cfa X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is a MIME encoded message. --b86fa56b0b7bce4b677925c2f689d8cfa Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You Wrote: "However, outside of a VICE image with .d64 images of my old development floppies, there simply isn't anything left on that platform for me beyond reminiscing of simpler times." Agreed. -Andrew --b86fa56b0b7bce4b677925c2f689d8cfa-- From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 12:52:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA29647 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:52:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA29644 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:52:28 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22099 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:52:27 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA20187 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:52:27 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems Subject: Fwd: Re: [SLUG] Kernel 2.4.19 and 8GB of memory? Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:52:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211251252.27449.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id MAA29645 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 25 November 2002 12:04, Ryland Bingham wrote: > Thanks for the info Ian. I need a little clarification on this point. > > > While physical memory can be accessed in 36bits, the process space still > > remains 32bit. While the kernel can change its process space to access > > the extra RAM as it needs to, a process cannot - it is effectively > > limited to 3G (from the 3G/1G split of the 4G addressable 32bit space). > > What does this mean? I'm not sure that I understand, what you are > saying. Does this mean that the processes only have a total of 3GB of > space? Is there any reason why we would want the kernel to have access > to 5GB of Memory, that is unavailable to run processes? The "user mode" of processes only have 3GB of virtual space to access, the kernel reserves itself 1G of the process' memory map for its own use and is thus unaccessible. There are two different ways of looking at memory here. Virtual and physical. The kernel can access all of physical memory - it presents this memory as many virtual addresses spaces for each user-mode process. A process can only access the portion of its own Virtual Memory that it is assigned. Every process gets its own virtual memory, so you may have multiple processes each allocating up to ~3G of memory (heap minus shared libraries, stack, etc). The kernel also uses available RAM for things like disk cache, something that it can only help to have more of. As soon as the kernel needs to touch uncached data on a spindle, expect a 1000x slowdown for that operation (thus IO waiting). -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 13:47:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA30212 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:47:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA30209 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:47:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22825 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:47:44 -0500 Received: from t3t.com (www.t3t.com [216.136.30.137]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAPIkr8p013560 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:46:53 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.51] [64.132.253.199] by t3t.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A01E3C5C005C; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:46:54 -0500 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [SLUG] Kernel 2.4.19 and 8GB of memory? From: Ryland Bingham To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211251252.27449.icblenke@nks.net> References: <200211251252.27449.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 25 Nov 2002 13:48:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1038250118.5641.200.camel@t3hp1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks again, this matches my guesses at how things worked. I've just never run-up against the 32bit limit so I wasn't sure. I don't have any individual processes that will be using more than 3GB, but I will have some that are in the 1.5 to 2GB range. I'm going to be building my own kernel, because there are a couple patches regarding SMP that my software vendor tells me I need. The software needs to explicitly bind processes to individual CPU's and I guess that the 2.4 does not do this well enough yet. On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 12:52, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > On Monday 25 November 2002 12:04, Ryland Bingham wrote: > > Thanks for the info Ian. I need a little clarification on this point. > > > > > While physical memory can be accessed in 36bits, the process space still > > > remains 32bit. While the kernel can change its process space to access > > > the extra RAM as it needs to, a process cannot - it is effectively > > > limited to 3G (from the 3G/1G split of the 4G addressable 32bit space). > > > > What does this mean? I'm not sure that I understand, what you are > > saying. Does this mean that the processes only have a total of 3GB of > > space? Is there any reason why we would want the kernel to have access > > to 5GB of Memory, that is unavailable to run processes? > > The "user mode" of processes only have 3GB of virtual space to access, the > kernel reserves itself 1G of the process' memory map for its own use and is > thus unaccessible. > > There are two different ways of looking at memory here. Virtual and physical. > The kernel can access all of physical memory - it presents this memory as > many virtual addresses spaces for each user-mode process. A process can only > access the portion of its own Virtual Memory that it is assigned. Every > process gets its own virtual memory, so you may have multiple processes each > allocating up to ~3G of memory (heap minus shared libraries, stack, etc). > > The kernel also uses available RAM for things like disk cache, something that > it can only help to have more of. As soon as the kernel needs to touch > uncached data on a spindle, expect a 1000x slowdown for that operation (thus > IO waiting). > > -- > - Ian C. Blenke > > (This message bound by the following: > http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) > > -- Ryland Bingham Unix/Linux Specialist T3 Technologies, Inc. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 13:57:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA30355 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:57:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA30349 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:57:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22958 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:57:56 -0500 Received: from usushntex51.unistudios.com (outmail.unistudios.com [192.251.67.111]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAPIv8kY010223 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:57:08 -0500 Received: from usintex11lax.unistudios.com (usintex11lax.udh.unistudios.com [167.167.130.41]) by usushntex51.unistudios.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id XT1YWNYV; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:55:05 -0800 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by usintex11lax.unistudios.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:56:15 -0800 Received: by usintex11lax.udh.unistudios.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:56:15 -0800 Message-ID: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135AAA@usush2kex03> From: "Quesada, Oscar" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Xwindows setup on Server Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:57:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Could someone on this group be able to tell me where to look to set up and verify Xwindows operations on a Linux RH7.2 server. So clients from the network be able to get a GUI interface when they login. Thanks Oscar R. Quesada UMG-IT Systems/Network Support Vivendi Universal 818-777-5701 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 14:13:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA30545 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:13:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA30541 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:13:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23186 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:13:46 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.92]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAPJD6kY011256 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:13:07 -0500 Received: (qmail 2636 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2002 19:12:58 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 25 Nov 2002 19:12:58 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:12:57 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Xwindows setup on Server Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:07:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c294b5$f2e46140$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135AAA@usush2kex03> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug What kind of a connection are you using? Have you looked at VNC? Although I think there is a limited number of simultaneous VNC connections. Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Quesada, Oscar Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:57 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Xwindows setup on Server Could someone on this group be able to tell me where to look to set up and verify Xwindows operations on a Linux RH7.2 server. So clients from the network be able to get a GUI interface when they login. Thanks Oscar R. Quesada UMG-IT Systems/Network Support Vivendi Universal 818-777-5701 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 14:36:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA30762 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:36:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA30749 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:36:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23459 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:36:06 -0500 Received: from usushntex50.unistudios.com (outmail.unistudios.com [192.251.67.110]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAPJZ6kY012613 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:35:07 -0500 Received: from usintex10lax.unistudios.com (usintex10lax.udh.unistudios.com [167.167.130.69]) by usushntex50.unistudios.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id XT18LRS3; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:36:58 -0800 Received: by usintex10lax.udh.unistudios.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:34:58 -0800 Message-ID: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135AAB@usush2kex03> From: "Quesada, Oscar" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] Xwindows setup on Server Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:34:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The current network is in a LAN environment, I just try to get one working at least. Oscar R. Quesada UMG-IT Systems/Network Support Vivendi Universal 818-777-5701 -----Original Message----- From: Mikes work account [mailto:mrock@stewartsigns.com] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:08 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Xwindows setup on Server What kind of a connection are you using? Have you looked at VNC? Although I think there is a limited number of simultaneous VNC connections. Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Quesada, Oscar Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:57 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Xwindows setup on Server Could someone on this group be able to tell me where to look to set up and verify Xwindows operations on a Linux RH7.2 server. So clients from the network be able to get a GUI interface when they login. Thanks Oscar R. Quesada UMG-IT Systems/Network Support Vivendi Universal 818-777-5701 From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 16:08:25 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA31463 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:08:25 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31460 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:08:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24586 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:08:24 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAPL7g6A018365 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:07:53 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 051CE5E97 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:08:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:00:39 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner Message-Id: <20021125160039.311b036e.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <003a01c29433$4df15620$3249490a@test01> References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A982@dallas.utilpart.com> <003a01c29433$4df15620$3249490a@test01> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I use portsentry on my outside machine (detects portscans and drops all future traffic from hosts running them). In my opinion, portscanning is slightly invasive, even if it is "for the protection of you and other rr customers." It's like having an employee of your apartment complex/housing community come to your house at 2am and try to get into all the doors and windows. Levi On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:32:37 -0500 "Robert Foxworth" wrote: > Yes they are. (I am one of the someone) > > Incidentally I got a "ICMP PING NMAP" from our good helpful > friends at 24.30.199.228 (securityscan.sec.rr.com) on the 21st > at 2017 EST. I also was portscanned again yesterday, which > actually takes up a fair amount of my bandwidth for about 20 minutes > but this was not from a RR address, the IP sounded European. > Did not look it up, actually > > As I write this at 2225 Sunday Drudge is reporting the Navy is seizing > computers from 100 midshipmen full of illegally downloaded MP3 files. > This at the Naval Academy. Apparently done at the urging of the music > industry. Clone of BSA ?? > > > > These are not rr or TW addresses, fact they seem to > > be like someone said in places like Poland, France > > and Canada. > > > > > -- Levi Bard levi@bard.sytes.net http://bard.sytes.net GooSNES - Lightweight, featureful GTK+ snes9x frontend - http://bard.sytes.net/goosnes/ TakCD - highly embeddable commandline cd player - http://bard.sytes.net/takcd/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 16:16:46 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA31544 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:16:46 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31537 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:16:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24691 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:16:45 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAPLFJ6A018795 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:15:19 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FE4E5E97 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:16:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:08:16 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xwindows setup on Server Message-Id: <20021125160816.4772b1c1.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135AAA@usush2kex03> References: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135AAA@usush2kex03> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Check out the X Display Manager Control Protocol. It's great for serving X11 connections across a trusted lan, and will work with GDM or KDM as well. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/index.html Levi On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:57:00 -0800 "Quesada, Oscar" wrote: > Could someone on this group be able to tell me where to look to set up and > verify Xwindows operations on a Linux RH7.2 server. So clients > from the network be able to get a GUI interface when they login. > > Thanks > > Oscar R. Quesada > UMG-IT Systems/Network Support > Vivendi Universal > 818-777-5701 > -- Levi Bard levi@bard.sytes.net http://bard.sytes.net GooSNES - Lightweight, featureful GTK+ snes9x frontend - http://bard.sytes.net/goosnes/ TakCD - highly embeddable commandline cd player - http://bard.sytes.net/takcd/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 16:43:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA31787 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:43:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31784 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:43:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25067 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:43:51 -0500 Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAPLgoKQ026861 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:42:50 -0500 Received: from home (6535152hfc226.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.152.226]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAPLgnCB025484 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:42:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001e01c294cc$28d34990$6601a8c0@home> From: "David R. Meyer" To: Subject: [SLUG] OFF TOPIC - Anyone a sailor out there? Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:46:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug If you are a sailor (sailboats, not Navy), please write me offline at dmeyer07@tampabay.rr.com. Dave From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 16:49:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA31841 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:49:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31838 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:49:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25136 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:49:11 -0500 Received: from usushntex50.unistudios.com (outmail.unistudios.com [192.251.67.110]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAPLmrKQ027264 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:48:53 -0500 Received: from usintex11lax.unistudios.com (usintex11lax.udh.unistudios.com [167.167.130.41]) by usushntex50.unistudios.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id XT18MVY3; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:50:39 -0800 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by usintex11lax.unistudios.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:47:54 -0800 Received: by usintex11lax.udh.unistudios.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:47:53 -0800 Message-ID: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135AAE@usush2kex03> From: "Quesada, Oscar" To: "'slug@nks.net'" Subject: RE: [SLUG] Xwindows setup on Server Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:48:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I will do that Thanks Oscar R. Quesada UMG-IT Systems/Network Support Vivendi Universal 818-777-5701 -----Original Message----- From: Levi Bard [mailto:levi@bard.sytes.net] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:08 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xwindows setup on Server Check out the X Display Manager Control Protocol. It's great for serving X11 connections across a trusted lan, and will work with GDM or KDM as well. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/index.html Levi On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:57:00 -0800 "Quesada, Oscar" wrote: > Could someone on this group be able to tell me where to look to set up and > verify Xwindows operations on a Linux RH7.2 server. So clients > from the network be able to get a GUI interface when they login. > > Thanks > > Oscar R. Quesada > UMG-IT Systems/Network Support > Vivendi Universal > 818-777-5701 > -- Levi Bard levi@bard.sytes.net http://bard.sytes.net GooSNES - Lightweight, featureful GTK+ snes9x frontend - http://bard.sytes.net/goosnes/ TakCD - highly embeddable commandline cd player - http://bard.sytes.net/takcd/ From owner-slug-track29 Mon Nov 25 18:09:45 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA32448 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:09:45 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA32444 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:09:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26022 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:09:44 -0500 Received: from pop015.verizon.net (pop015pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.172]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAPN8t6A025549 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:08:56 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.96.236]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021125230850.HIJW28019.pop015.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:08:50 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] regular scan patterns from RR/TimeWarner Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:12:25 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A001A0A982@dallas.utilpart.com> <003a01c29433$4df15620$3249490a@test01> <20021125160039.311b036e.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <20021125160039.311b036e.levi@bard.sytes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211251812.25743.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop015.verizon.net from [4.47.96.236] at Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:08:49 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Monday 25 November 2002 16:00, you wrote: > I use portsentry on my outside machine (detects portscans and drops all > future traffic from hosts running them). In my opinion, portscanning is > slightly invasive, even if it is "for the protection of you and other rr > customers." It's like having an employee of your apartment complex/housing > community come to your house at 2am and try to get into all the doors and > windows. > > Levi Ya, and not saying anything, not even a "just checking, sorry if I disturbed you" as if we cannot be responsible. Smitty From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 26 10:04:47 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA08188 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:04:47 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA08185 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:04:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04489 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:04:46 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAQF4M6A017650 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:04:22 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA06524 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:03:02 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c2955b$ee5f9800$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: Subject: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting...follow up.. Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:55:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug First, I would like to thank the people who showed. Saved me from being the weird guy in the big room with a computer ( I get that enough at work). Their were some unanswered question last night that I wanted to at least point in the right direction. The first was LinNeighborhood, and yes it is a GUI for samba...(http://www.bnro.de/~schmidjo/) ( was not sure off hand) The other was more general about IP configurations. Not a quick answer topic but there are some good HOWTO's that might be useful: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO.html http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/IP-Subnetworking.html http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/IP-Alias/index.html IP-aliasing is what I couldn't remember. That will give multiple IP's on one ethernet interface. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 26 10:48:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA08559 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:48:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA08556 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:48:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04960 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:48:21 -0500 Received: from host.axxessible.com (host.axxessible.com [209.239.61.141]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAQFm7KQ004267 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:48:07 -0500 Received: from mar2001.dsl-verizon.net (tamqfl1-ar8-4-64-006-239.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net [4.64.6.239]) by host.axxessible.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id gAQFlqn17931 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:47:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200211261547.gAQFlqn17931@host.axxessible.com> From: "John" To: "slug@nks.net" Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:47:41 -0500 X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2581) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;6) In-Reply-To: <001901c2955b$ee5f9800$7d0aa8c0@washpat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting...follow up.. X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks for that information--VERY helpful! Thanks for your efforts in launching this SLUG subgroup. If you heard the various comments, you will realize that quite a few people liked this time/location. John On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:55:56 -0500, Aaron Steimle wrote: -> First, I would like to thank the people who showed. Saved me from being the -> weird guy in the big room with a computer ( I get that enough at work). -> -> Their were some unanswered question last night that I wanted to at least -> point in the right direction. -> The first was LinNeighborhood, and yes it is a GUI for -> samba...(http://www.bnro.de/~schmidjo/) ( was not sure off hand) -> -> The other was more general about IP configurations. Not a quick answer topic -> but there are some good HOWTO's that might be useful: -> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO.html -> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/IP-Subnetworking.html -> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/IP-Alias/index.html -> -> IP-aliasing is what I couldn't remember. That will give multiple IP's on one -> ethernet interface. -> -> From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 26 11:01:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA08669 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:01:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA08666 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:01:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05120 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:01:56 -0500 Received: from host.axxessible.com (host.axxessible.com [209.239.61.141]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAQG1V6A021029 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:01:31 -0500 Received: from mar2001.dsl-verizon.net (tamqfl1-ar8-4-64-006-239.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net [4.64.6.239]) by host.axxessible.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id gAQG1Kn18414 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:01:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200211261601.gAQG1Kn18414@host.axxessible.com> From: "John" To: "slug@nks.net" Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:01:12 -0500 X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2581) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;6) In-Reply-To: <001901c2955b$ee5f9800$7d0aa8c0@washpat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting...follow up.. X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Aaron, at the meeting we spoke briefly about Samba and the fact that a presentation was recently done at another SLUG meeting. That was the time I packed a lunch and a suitcase (well, perhaps I exaggerate a bit) and tried (and failed) to make it to Sarasoto. In any case, I believe it might have been Mark Bishop (mark@bish.net) who gave that talk. I have no idea weather he could be enticed to trek up to St. Pete, or whether someone else could lead a similar discussion, but it might be an interesting topic for a future meeting. (Speaking for myself, I got Samba to work, but it was only after taking about 100 shots in the dark. I would still like to understand what's happening under the hood.) John From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 26 11:22:07 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA08844 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:22:07 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA08841 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:22:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05363 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:22:06 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAQGLP6A022152 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:21:25 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA06632 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:20:11 -0500 Message-ID: <003701c29566$b5860fe0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: <200211261547.gAQFlqn17931@host.axxessible.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting...follow up.. Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:13:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks for the support. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting...follow up.. > Thanks for that information--VERY helpful! > > Thanks for your efforts in launching this SLUG subgroup. If you > heard the various comments, you will realize that quite a few > people liked this time/location. > > John > > On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:55:56 -0500, Aaron Steimle wrote: > > -> First, I would like to thank the people who showed. Saved me > from being the > -> weird guy in the big room with a computer ( I get that enough > at work). > -> > -> Their were some unanswered question last night that I wanted > to at least > -> point in the right direction. > -> The first was LinNeighborhood, and yes it is a GUI for > -> samba...(http://www.bnro.de/~schmidjo/) ( was not sure off > hand) > -> > -> The other was more general about IP configurations. Not a > quick answer topic > -> but there are some good HOWTO's that might be useful: > -> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO.html > -> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/IP-Subnetworking.html > -> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/IP-Alias/index.html > -> > -> IP-aliasing is what I couldn't remember. That will give > multiple IP's on one > -> ethernet interface. > -> > -> > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 26 15:42:57 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA11031 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:42:57 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA11028 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:42:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08477 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:42:56 -0500 Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.92]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAQKgD6A005222 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:42:14 -0500 Received: (qmail 4814 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2002 20:42:07 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 26 Nov 2002 20:42:07 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:42:06 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: [SLUG] dual boot question Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:37:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c2958b$93cfb110$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5C94A221B316ED40A0D05A961B1BAB9F135AAB@usush2kex03> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have a gateway and two hard drives. Each will boot correctly. One is RH 8.0 and the other '98. How do I set up the dual boot with two drives already with systems on them? Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 26 16:08:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA11298 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:08:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA11295 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:08:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08786 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:08:20 -0500 Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAQL7RKQ028118 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:07:32 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.99.68]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021126210725.HSWI22402.out001.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:07:25 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dual boot question Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:11:00 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <000001c2958b$93cfb110$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> In-Reply-To: <000001c2958b$93cfb110$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211261611.00766.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out001.verizon.net from [4.47.99.68] at Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:07:25 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Well, you could purchase a pci card called a trios switch, made by romtec. Then, there is a gadget made in sweden called a nicklock that has less capabilities than the trios, but if two drives are all you need to boot, for about $20, it should work. You can get master/slave combinations with the nicklock. Smitty On Tuesday 26 November 2002 15:37, you wrote: > I have a gateway and two hard drives. Each will boot correctly. One is > RH 8.0 and the other '98. How do I set up the dual boot with two drives > already with systems on them? > > > > Michael C. Rock > Systems Analyst > Registered Linux User # 287973 > > "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," > "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 26 18:15:56 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA12434 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:15:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA12431 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:15:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10242 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:15:56 -0500 Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAQNFK6A014285 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:15:20 -0500 Received: from user-0cal2bd.cable.mindspring.com ([24.170.137.109] helo=earthlink.net) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Gov1-0000ME-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:15:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3DE400F1.7000805@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:17:05 -0500 From: Paul Swider User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en,bg MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting...follow up.. References: <001901c2955b$ee5f9800$7d0aa8c0@washpat> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I missed the meeting, last-minute real estate deal. But I wanted to come, and hope there'll be others. Glad to hear there was turnout. Maybe this can become regular? Aaron Steimle wrote: >First, I would like to thank the people who showed. Saved me from being the >weird guy in the big room with a computer ( I get that enough at work). > >Their were some unanswered question last night that I wanted to at least >point in the right direction. >The first was LinNeighborhood, and yes it is a GUI for >samba...(http://www.bnro.de/~schmidjo/) ( was not sure off hand) > >The other was more general about IP configurations. Not a quick answer topic >but there are some good HOWTO's that might be useful: >http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO.html >http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/IP-Subnetworking.html >http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/IP-Alias/index.html > >IP-aliasing is what I couldn't remember. That will give multiple IP's on one >ethernet interface. > > > > > -- Paul Swider Cell 727.776.9979 eFax 208.248.1869 http://www.swider.net/Paul-Swider-resume.html http://www.greenstar.org/pswider.htm From owner-slug-track29 Tue Nov 26 18:36:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA12583 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:36:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA12580 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:36:09 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10457; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:36:06 -0500 Received: from nutbag-ssn.nks.net (nutbag.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA09296; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:36:02 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems To: slug@nks.net, "Mikes work account" Subject: Re: [SLUG] dual boot question Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:36:01 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <000001c2958b$93cfb110$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> In-Reply-To: <000001c2958b$93cfb110$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200211261836.01716.icblenke@nks.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id SAA12581 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday 26 November 2002 15:37, Mikes work account wrote: > I have a gateway and two hard drives. Each will boot correctly. One is > RH 8.0 and the other '98. How do I set up the dual boot with two drives > already with systems on them? Smitty offered a hardware solution. Those have never thrilled me. The software solution is relatively simple. 1. Make a RH8.0 boot floppy. - write down your "root" filesystem (like /dev/hda3) 2.Hook up your '98 drive as your primary master. Make sure you can boot from it. 3. Hook up your RH8.0 drive as a secondary drive, preferably as the secondary master. 4. Boot to the RH8.0 boot floppy, with a "root=/dev/hdc3" parameter (or merely replace "hda" with the appropriate block device for your Linux drive). Also, use the "single" or "S" option to boot single user, or if you can't seem to login or have forgotten the root password, use "init=/bin/bash" to get a root shell. 5. Once you have a shell, edit your /etc/fstab and replace all occurances of "hda" with the appropriate new block device for your Linux drive). 6. Next, edit your /etc/lilo.conf to boot to "other=dos" on /dev/hda and then re-run lilo. Alternatively, you can install grub or your preferred boot manager (loadlin works from a DOS menu in a pinch). You can also make a backup of your MBR (first 512 bytes) on the primary drive if you want to undo lilo/grub later and make win98 boot as it did previously. 7. Reboot your system. If you edited your /etc/fstab correctly, the system will boot. If not, don't worry, merely reboot with the floppy or get a "lilo:" (or "grub>") prompt and boot your kernel with the same trick used in step 4. Re-edit /etc/fstab and try again. The keys here are editing your /etc/fstab appropriately, and installing a bootloader on your primary master drive (or whatever drive you have your BIOS set to boot from). Hope this clears things up a bit. -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 27 07:54:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA19396 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:54:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA19393 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:54:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19084 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:54:50 -0500 Received: from bill-tripletts-computer.local ([24.92.197.134]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gARCsJKQ027236 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:54:19 -0500 Received: from nethouse.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bill-tripletts-computer.local (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gARCsHru000515 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:54:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:54:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] dual boot question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Bill Triplett To: slug@nks.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000001c2958b$93cfb110$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> Message-Id: <5690C4F2-0207-11D7-B10A-003065907602@nethouse.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tuesday, November 26, 2002, at 03:37 PM, Mikes work account wrote: > I have a gateway and two hard drives. Each will boot correctly. One is > RH 8.0 and the other '98. How do I set up the dual boot with two > drives > already with systems on them? Hiya, I just went through this a week ago. I had a Gentoo install on the master and a windows me install on the slave HD. I was told that the windows install would not boot unless it was either seleced as master (as in bios) or tricked into thinking it was using lilo.conf sorcery. So, my setup is thus: Gentoo on master Wind. on slave lilo.conf: menu-scheme=Wb prompt boot=/dev/hda1 map = /boot/map disk=/dev/hda lba32 delay=50 timeout=100 vga = normal default=r7 image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19-gentoo-r7 label=r7 root = /dev/hda6 append="hdc=ide-scsi" read-only other = /dev/hdb1 label=win map-drive=0x80 to=0x81 map-drive=0x81 to=0x80 The map-drive is the key, which from what I was told, causes the d: and c: drives to appear swiched. Good luck... From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 27 07:56:03 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA19420 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:56:03 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA19417 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:56:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19098 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:56:02 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gARCtDKQ027288 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:55:13 -0500 Received: from logan ([192.168.10.125]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA07946 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:54:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c29613$0f4db0d0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: <001901c2955b$ee5f9800$7d0aa8c0@washpat> <3DE400F1.7000805@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting...follow up.. Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:46:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug The meeting schedule is the Last Monday of the month. The next meeting will be Dec. 30. I plan on showing one of those Wal-Mart $199 lindows computers. I am looking forward to seeing if they are worth it. I figure other people might want to also. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Swider" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting...follow up.. > I missed the meeting, last-minute real estate deal. But I wanted to > come, and hope there'll be others. Glad to hear there was turnout. Maybe > this can become regular? > > > > Aaron Steimle wrote: > > >First, I would like to thank the people who showed. Saved me from being the > >weird guy in the big room with a computer ( I get that enough at work). > > > >Their were some unanswered question last night that I wanted to at least > >point in the right direction. > >The first was LinNeighborhood, and yes it is a GUI for > >samba...(http://www.bnro.de/~schmidjo/) ( was not sure off hand) > > > >The other was more general about IP configurations. Not a quick answer topic > >but there are some good HOWTO's that might be useful: > >http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO.html > >http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/IP-Subnetworking.html > >http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/IP-Alias/index.html > > > >IP-aliasing is what I couldn't remember. That will give multiple IP's on one > >ethernet interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Paul Swider > Cell 727.776.9979 > eFax 208.248.1869 > http://www.swider.net/Paul-Swider-resume.html > http://www.greenstar.org/pswider.htm > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 27 09:22:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA20070 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:22:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA20067 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:22:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19919 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:22:09 -0500 Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.91]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gARELa6A002866 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:21:36 -0500 Received: (qmail 26361 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2002 14:21:30 -0000 Received: from capricornus.hosting4u.net (HELO stewartsigns.com) (209.15.2.36) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 27 Nov 2002 14:21:30 -0000 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:21:28 -0600 From: "Mikes work account" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] dual boot question Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:16:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c2961f$91f2db80$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: <200211261836.01716.icblenke@nks.net> X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Ian, If I am to set up my second hard drive in the same box with the '98 drive, how do I do that. I am A+ illiterate!! Do I use a ribbon cable that will accept two devices( the one in there now will only accept one device.) As I recall from some time ago, they used to have a cable that had wires switched or something like that for the second device. Do I need one like that or will a straight two device ribbon cable do the trick. Do I set the drive as a slave drive on the jumpers, or as a master as you have suggested? Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst Registered Linux User # 287973 "The time has come the walrus said to speak of many things,,," "Christians give up what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose" -----Original Message----- From: slug@lists.nks.net [mailto:slug@lists.nks.net] On Behalf Of Ian C. Blenke Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:36 PM To: slug@nks.net; Mikes work account Subject: Re: [SLUG] dual boot question On Tuesday 26 November 2002 15:37, Mikes work account wrote: > I have a gateway and two hard drives. Each will boot correctly. One is > RH 8.0 and the other '98. How do I set up the dual boot with two drives > already with systems on them? Smitty offered a hardware solution. Those have never thrilled me. The software solution is relatively simple. 1. Make a RH8.0 boot floppy. - write down your "root" filesystem (like /dev/hda3) 2.Hook up your '98 drive as your primary master. Make sure you can boot from it. 3. Hook up your RH8.0 drive as a secondary drive, preferably as the secondary master. 4. Boot to the RH8.0 boot floppy, with a "root=/dev/hdc3" parameter (or merely replace "hda" with the appropriate block device for your Linux drive). Also, use the "single" or "S" option to boot single user, or if you can't seem to login or have forgotten the root password, use "init=/bin/bash" to get a root shell. 5. Once you have a shell, edit your /etc/fstab and replace all occurances of "hda" with the appropriate new block device for your Linux drive). 6. Next, edit your /etc/lilo.conf to boot to "other=dos" on /dev/hda and then re-run lilo. Alternatively, you can install grub or your preferred boot manager (loadlin works from a DOS menu in a pinch). You can also make a backup of your MBR (first 512 bytes) on the primary drive if you want to undo lilo/grub later and make win98 boot as it did previously. 7. Reboot your system. If you edited your /etc/fstab correctly, the system will boot. If not, don't worry, merely reboot with the floppy or get a "lilo:" (or "grub>") prompt and boot your kernel with the same trick used in step 4. Re-edit /etc/fstab and try again. The keys here are editing your /etc/fstab appropriately, and installing a bootloader on your primary master drive (or whatever drive you have your BIOS set to boot from). Hope this clears things up a bit. -- - Ian C. Blenke (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 27 09:25:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA20101 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:25:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA20098 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:25:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19953 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:25:19 -0500 Received: from erg.blenke.com (2416413hfc164.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.13.164]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAREOs6A003062 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:24:54 -0500 Received: from erg.blenke.com (erg [127.0.0.1]) by erg.blenke.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with ESMTP id gAREOmqE008982 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:24:48 -0500 Received: (from icblenke@localhost) by erg.blenke.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) id gAREOmWP008980 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:24:48 -0500 From: "Ian C. Blenke" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:24:48 -0500 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Why won't an app run from icon? Message-ID: <20021127142448.GA8698@blenke.com> References: <200110112220.f9BMKwh07201@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> <3BC61E74.785778A1@ieee.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3BC61E74.785778A1@ieee.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 06:34:28PM -0400, Bryan-TheBS-Smith wrote: > Russ Wright wrote: > > If I open a shell window and cd to the application directory > > ie: "cd /usr/lib/ICAClient" and type "./wfcmgr" the app starts. > > I decided to create a KDE desktop Icon to do the same. I linked > > it to the same file but it does not start. Any thoughts? > > Yeah, what stupid UNIX program needs to be in a certain directory to > start? That's a Windows'ism that is frowned upon. The only time > I've seen that happen is for programs ported with WINE (is the > ICAClient?). Actually, this is altogether too common. Typically there is a shell script that sets the environment appropriately for an executable to run. Many packages, like Mozilla, do this quite commonly. There are two common solutions to this problem. 1) Make your user environment set your PATH/LD_LIBRARY_PATH/etc appropriately 2) Make a shell script for each package that does the same I'm a bit proponent of 2, but I keep a hand-written tuned "user-env" package that I take with me everywhere that auto-probes the system on login and sets my path/environment appropriately. > So I'm sure that is your problem, unless you're setting a change > directory in your icon. I don't use KDE, but Gnome has a field on a > second tab in the properties called "Try this before running:" where > I can put a "cd path". Another way to tame this would to create a > simple shell script in /usr/local/bin (or wherever) that has two > lines, the cd and the binary. As most commands are exec'ed through a shell anyway, you can also SOMETIMES use the environment-variable-set-before-running-a-command trick: "PATH=/usr/lib/ICAClient:$PATH wfcmgr" There's also the "env" trick" "env PATH=/usr/lib/ICAClient:$PATH wfcmgr" Typically, however, you'll only see the "env" trick as a trick to hide the full patch of the magic line at the beginning of a shell script, ie: #!/usr/bin/env perl This means that you can run your perl script with perl anywhere on your system, as long as its in your path and there is a /usr/bin/env runtime on your box. But I believe the ICAClient package requires a change directory into that path. Again, if the commands are run through a shell, you can use the semicolon trick: "cd /usr/lib/ICAClient; ./wfcmgr" or, you can set ICAROOT appropriately: "ICAROOT=/usr/lib/ICAClient /usr/lib/ICAClient/wfcmgr" or "ICAROOT=/usr/lib/ICAClient PATH=$ICAROOT:$PATH wfcmgr" or "env ICAROOT=/usr/lib/ICAClient wfcmgr" The best bet is still to make a little shell script wrapper: $ cat - > /usr/local/bin/wfcmgr.sh <; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:38:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20147 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:38:29 -0500 Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAREbS6A003849 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:37:28 -0500 Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gARECsP26450 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:12:54 -0500 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.156]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAREbND15335 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:37:23 -0500 Received: from evelle.rdu.redhat.com (evelle.rdu.redhat.com [172.16.54.9]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAREbNw06559 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:37:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Why won't an app run from icon? From: "Martin C. Messer" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20021127142448.GA8698@blenke.com> References: <200110112220.f9BMKwh07201@smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com> <3BC61E74.785778A1@ieee.org> <20021127142448.GA8698@blenke.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat, Inc. Message-Id: <1038407842.18609.92.camel@evelle.rdu.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 27 Nov 2002 09:37:22 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I use ICAClient, and my icon (GNOME) just has a command of: /usr/lib/ICAClient/wfcmgr No special hoodoo required. On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 09:24, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 06:34:28PM -0400, Bryan-TheBS-Smith wrote: > > Russ Wright wrote: > > > If I open a shell window and cd to the application directory > > > ie: "cd /usr/lib/ICAClient" and type "./wfcmgr" the app starts. > > > I decided to create a KDE desktop Icon to do the same. I linked > > > it to the same file but it does not start. Any thoughts? > > > > Yeah, what stupid UNIX program needs to be in a certain directory to > > start? That's a Windows'ism that is frowned upon. The only time > > I've seen that happen is for programs ported with WINE (is the > > ICAClient?). > > Actually, this is altogether too common. Typically there is a shell > script that sets the environment appropriately for an executable to run. > Many packages, like Mozilla, do this quite commonly. > > There are two common solutions to this problem. > 1) Make your user environment set your PATH/LD_LIBRARY_PATH/etc appropriately > 2) Make a shell script for each package that does the same > > I'm a bit proponent of 2, but I keep a hand-written tuned "user-env" package > that I take with me everywhere that auto-probes the system on login and sets > my path/environment appropriately. > > > So I'm sure that is your problem, unless you're setting a change > > directory in your icon. I don't use KDE, but Gnome has a field on a > > second tab in the properties called "Try this before running:" where > > I can put a "cd path". Another way to tame this would to create a > > simple shell script in /usr/local/bin (or wherever) that has two > > lines, the cd and the binary. > > As most commands are exec'ed through a shell anyway, you can also > SOMETIMES use the environment-variable-set-before-running-a-command trick: > > "PATH=/usr/lib/ICAClient:$PATH wfcmgr" > > There's also the "env" trick" > > "env PATH=/usr/lib/ICAClient:$PATH wfcmgr" > > Typically, however, you'll only see the "env" trick as a trick to hide > the full patch of the magic line at the beginning of a shell script, ie: > > #!/usr/bin/env perl > > This means that you can run your perl script with perl anywhere on your > system, as long as its in your path and there is a /usr/bin/env runtime > on your box. > > But I believe the ICAClient package requires a change directory into > that path. Again, if the commands are run through a shell, you can use > the semicolon trick: > > "cd /usr/lib/ICAClient; ./wfcmgr" > > or, you can set ICAROOT appropriately: > > "ICAROOT=/usr/lib/ICAClient /usr/lib/ICAClient/wfcmgr" > or > "ICAROOT=/usr/lib/ICAClient PATH=$ICAROOT:$PATH wfcmgr" > or > "env ICAROOT=/usr/lib/ICAClient wfcmgr" > > The best bet is still to make a little shell script wrapper: > > $ cat - > /usr/local/bin/wfcmgr.sh < #!/bin/sh > ICAROOT=/usr/lib/ICAClient > exec $ICAROOT/wfcmgr $* > EOF > $ chmod ugo+rx /usr/local/bin/wfcmgr.sh > $ wfcmgr.sh > > Fun, isn't it? :) > > - Ian -- Martin C. Messer | marty@redhat.com Red Hat, Inc. | Information Systems & Technologies 1801 Varsity Drive | 919-754-3700 x44148 Raleigh, NC 27606 | 919-931-9815 (mobile) From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 27 09:47:09 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA20322 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:47:09 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA20319 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:47:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20251 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:47:09 -0500 Received: from erg.blenke.com (2416413hfc164.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.13.164]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAREkp6A004397 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:46:52 -0500 Received: from erg.blenke.com (erg [127.0.0.1]) by erg.blenke.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with ESMTP id gAREkkqE009235 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:46:46 -0500 Received: (from icblenke@localhost) by erg.blenke.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) id gAREkki4009233 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:46:46 -0500 From: "Ian C. Blenke" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:46:46 -0500 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dual boot question Message-ID: <20021127144646.GA9113@blenke.com> References: <200211261836.01716.icblenke@nks.net> <000701c2961f$91f2db80$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000701c2961f$91f2db80$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 09:16:24AM -0500, Mikes work account wrote: > Ian, > > If I am to set up my second hard drive in the same box with the '98 > drive, how do I do that. I am A+ illiterate!! Do I use a ribbon cable > that will accept two devices( the one in there now will only accept one > device.) As I recall from some time ago, they used to have a cable that > had wires switched or something like that for the second device. Do I > need one like that or will a straight two device ribbon cable do the > trick. Do I set the drive as a slave drive on the jumpers, or as a > master as you have suggested? Your motherboard should have two IDE connectors. One ribbon cable goes to your harddrive. There may be another ribbon cable connected to your CDROM drive. If both ribbon cables only have a two connectors (one at each end), you merely need to buy one with three connectors - any computer store should carry them. Each IDE cable (or "bus") can have two devices on it. One device is jumpered as "Master", the other as "Slave". Ideally, you want to have one device on a bus, as more than one device running at the same time will more than half the throughput of that bus. Also, every ATA device speaks a certain speed: if you put an old device along with a new one, both devices may only be able to use the bus at the old device's speed. It's a least common denominator thing. It is always best to have only ONE harddrive on a bus. Whatever harddrive you connect on the same bus as your CDROM will have severe performance problems when copying from a CD. Whenever you must put two devices on a bus, you must configure one as a Master and one as a Slave. There is no "special cable" outside of the mystical "cable select" ribbon cable that I've personally never seen in 10 years of working with PCs. - Ian C. Blenke From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 27 13:49:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA22369 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:49:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA22366 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:49:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22724 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:49:50 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gARIn16A018535 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:49:02 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (653281hfc95.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.81.95]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gARImr1f018172 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:48:55 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:46:33 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: [SLUG] Appgen MyBooks after rebate FREE CompUSA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug It ends today. Sorry I didn't hear about it earlier. I hope they have some left. I couldn't get the sampler CD from the SLUG meetings working on my machine, so I hope to have better luck with the newly updated $$ one. At least with the rebates it's free (actually you get paid one red cent). http://www.appgen.com/ http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product%5Fcode=294099&csearch= The good thing about this program is its multi-platform ability (Windows, Linux, and MacOS X), so if your shop is leery about Linux, at least it can run on Bill's or Apple's software. /mario From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 27 15:38:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA23303 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:38:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA23300 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:38:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23978 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:38:50 -0500 Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (h014.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.242]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gARKcIKQ029101 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:38:23 -0500 Received: (cpmta 18495 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2002 12:38:17 -0800 Received: from 65.185.29.225 (HELO Gwain) by smtp.directvinternet.com (209.228.33.242) with SMTP; 27 Nov 2002 12:38:17 -0800 X-Sent: 27 Nov 2002 20:38:17 GMT Subject: Re: [SLUG] dual boot question From: Joe Brandt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <000001c2958b$93cfb110$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> References: <000001c2958b$93cfb110$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8-3mdk Date: 27 Nov 2002 15:38:39 -0500 Message-Id: <1038429520.2216.4.camel@Gwain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 15:37, Mikes work account wrote: > I have a gateway and two hard drives. Each will boot correctly. One is > RH 8.0 and the other '98. How do I set up the dual boot with two drives > already with systems on them? > > I used to use a program called System Commander (years ago) and it worked really well with 4 different OS's loaded on 2 hard-drives. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 27 18:27:10 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA24685 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:27:10 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA24682 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:27:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25720 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:27:09 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gARNQ96A002372 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:26:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 41853 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2002 23:26:45 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 27 Nov 2002 23:26:45 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18HBZ9-00068n-00 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:25:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:25:54 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dual boot question Message-ID: <20021127232554.GA23586@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200211261836.01716.icblenke@nks.net> <000701c2961f$91f2db80$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000701c2961f$91f2db80$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 09:16:24AM -0500, Mikes work account wrote: > Ian, > > If I am to set up my second hard drive in the same box with the '98 > drive, how do I do that. I am A+ illiterate!! Do I use a ribbon cable > that will accept two devices( the one in there now will only accept one > device.) As I recall from some time ago, they used to have a cable that > had wires switched or something like that for the second device. What you're talking about there is a floppy drive cable, which doesn't have the same number of pins and won't work for a hard drive. Floppy cables typically have a few wires in the center of the cable swapped so that one device can look like the "A:" drive and the other can look like the "B:" drive. Ian answered the rest of the cable question. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 27 19:24:20 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA25092 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:24:20 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA25089 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:24:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26252 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:24:19 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAS0Nm6A005678 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:23:49 -0500 Received: from p3866 (5-119.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.119.5]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAS0Nh7Z020809 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:23:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001801c29674$6ac71580$0401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Peter S." To: References: <000701c2961f$91f2db80$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> Subject: [SLUG] monitors by the bushel Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:23:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hey all, I do some limited work with "Computers For Our Community Program" out of St. Petersburg. They have about "5 palettes" of monitors that they need to get rid of. The organizer of the program states that the monitors do not work, but admits that they have not been looked at very closely. They come from government programs that have retired their "outdated" PC's. The monitors cost $15 each to dispose of, so I thought that I would run it by the crowd. If anybody is interested in looking at these monitors, the organizer of the program is Paul Stellrecht. His contact information is as follows: J. Paul Stellrecht, Housing Development Specialist Housing and Community Development Department City of St. Petersburg, Florida P.O. Box 2842 St. Petersburg, FL 33731-2842 Voice: 727.892.5561 Fax: 727.892.5397 e-mail: Paul.Stellrecht@stpete.org I have not personally seen these monitors, so have no idea what condition they are in. He did tell me that they are VGA monitors. Happy Holidays!. Pete From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 27 21:06:32 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA25879 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:06:32 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA25876 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:06:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27207 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:06:31 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAS26BKQ019343 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:06:11 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (117-68.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.68.117]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAS26A7Z022251; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:06:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DE579E5.60307@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:05:25 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dual boot question References: <200211261836.01716.icblenke@nks.net> <000701c2961f$91f2db80$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> <20021127232554.GA23586@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug >>device.) As I recall from some time ago, they used to have a cable that >>had wires switched or something like that for the second device. > What you're talking about there is a floppy drive cable, which doesn't > have the same number of pins and won't work for a hard drive. Wire swaps between the two HARD drives were also common on MFM and RLL hard drive systems. (the twist {reversal} of 5 or 6 wires was the drive select) 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% Slack. since July, 1997 (still free!) SENT D&T are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 27 21:43:22 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA26120 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:43:22 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA26117 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:43:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27500 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:43:21 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAS2geKQ021654 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:42:41 -0500 Received: from cfl.rr.com (98.203.27.24.cfl.rr.com [24.27.203.98]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAS2ge7Z008989 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:42:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DE582F6.9020803@cfl.rr.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:44:06 -0500 From: Vernon Singleton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021003 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting...follow up.. References: <001901c2955b$ee5f9800$7d0aa8c0@washpat> <3DE400F1.7000805@earthlink.net> <000c01c29613$0f4db0d0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Aaron Steimle wrote: >The meeting schedule is the Last Monday of the month. The next meeting will >be Dec. 30. >I plan on showing one of those Wal-Mart $199 lindows computers. I am looking >forward to seeing if they are worth it. >I figure other people might want to also. > > What time will this one be? Trying to make it to this one. Vernon Singleton From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 27 23:26:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA26876 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:26:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA26873 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:26:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28518 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:26:50 -0500 Received: from pop015.verizon.net (pop015pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.172]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAS4QF6A019595 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:26:15 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.111.30]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021128042609.XFHD28019.pop015.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 22:26:09 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Question on service starting at boot-up Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:29:45 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211272329.45737.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop015.verizon.net from [4.47.111.30] at Wed, 27 Nov 2002 22:26:09 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I am using suse 8.1 and on one box I noticed the X font server starting at boot-up. It is located in /usr/X11R6/bin/xfs. I spent a couple hours trying to find the config file in /etc that tells this consumer of system resources to start. Can't find it anywhere. I did manage to keep it from starting by changing the name of /etc/X11/fs/config, but get an error message that the file cannot be located, so there still is a config file with the start xfs=yes in it. Anyone here know where I could find this file? Smitty From owner-slug-track29 Wed Nov 27 23:47:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA27016 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:47:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA27013 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:47:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28682 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:47:10 -0500 Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAS4k4KQ029594 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:46:05 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net (pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.65.151]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.5 (built Sep 23 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6900EH1RWSWM@mtaout04.icomcast.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:46:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 23:46:04 -0500 From: Logan Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question on service starting at boot-up In-reply-to: <200211272329.45737.a.smitty@verizon.net> To: SLUG Message-id: <1038458764.17647.7.camel@sirus> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-20tNXWcrpJKoa70e9BBp"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 References: <200211272329.45737.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-20tNXWcrpJKoa70e9BBp Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 23:29, Smitty wrote: > I am using suse 8.1 and on one box I noticed the X font server starting a= t=20 > boot-up. It is located in /usr/X11R6/bin/xfs. I spent a couple hours tr= ying=20 > to find the config file in /etc that tells this consumer of system resour= ces=20 > to start. Can't find it anywhere. I did manage to keep it from starting= by=20 > changing the name of /etc/X11/fs/config, but get an error message that th= e=20 > file cannot be located, so there still is a config file with the start=20 > xfs=3Dyes in it. Anyone here know where I could find this file? > Smitty This may be of little help, as the last version of SuSE I have used was 7.2. In Yast under System Administration =3D> Configuration File, down at the bottom, you could control some things (e.g. Start or Stop them) this manipulates the rc.config (possibly the file you are looking for.) As I recall, "Start XFS" was there. Then again, I understand SuSE has banished the old Yast program. =20 The Logan --=20 23:40:01 up 127 days, 16:14, 1 user, load average: 0.18, 0.25, 0.32 You will attract cultured and artistic people to your home. Registered Linux User 277727 ICQ 72101412 --=-20tNXWcrpJKoa70e9BBp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA95Z+L3OecGqSbkyMRAiGCAJ4s4f/yY+43pk7dzZ7zf+OPoCqG9QCeKEAj +4ULUP4W/JkiYM1kTzP8kuc= =CSEx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-20tNXWcrpJKoa70e9BBp-- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 28 00:23:21 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA27304 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:23:21 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA27301 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:23:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29079 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:23:20 -0500 Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAS5MnKQ031954 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:22:49 -0500 Received: from pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net (pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.65.151]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.5 (built Sep 23 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6900EDJTM0AZ@mtaout04.icomcast.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:22:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:22:48 -0500 From: Logan Subject: [SLUG] Possible Meeting Topic To: SLUG Message-id: <1038460968.19280.1.camel@sirus> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-6ptkG5dir3zKgYphGBYb"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-6ptkG5dir3zKgYphGBYb Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, Some of you on the list may notice that a few of us gpg sign our email so you know it is coming from us. GPG could be a good meeting topic and afterwards we could have a key signing fest. Just an idea, The Logan --=20 00:20:01 up 127 days, 16:54, 2 users, load average: 0.06, 0.19, 0.31 Q: How many college football players does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: Only one, but he gets three credits for it. Registered Linux User 277727 ICQ 72101412 --=-6ptkG5dir3zKgYphGBYb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA95ago3OecGqSbkyMRAld7AKCdAk7xIi8PlYSBfptgz2veaKQ4UgCgqRKl PGiC4fZ1qbws25CZXUvtl8g= =C5VN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-6ptkG5dir3zKgYphGBYb-- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 28 00:32:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA27377 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:32:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA27374 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:32:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29188 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:32:30 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAS5VxKQ032598 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:31:59 -0500 Received: from test01 (102bus18.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.102.18]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAS5VxfC021439 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:31:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <021001c2969f$78f53ee0$3249490a@test01> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <001901c2955b$ee5f9800$7d0aa8c0@washpat> <3DE400F1.7000805@earthlink.net> <000c01c29613$0f4db0d0$7d0aa8c0@washpat> <3DE582F6.9020803@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting...follow up.. Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:31:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug St Pete meeting still 1900-2100 ? (that's 7p - 9p for you civilians -hi) ... hope so > >The meeting schedule is the Last Monday of the month. The next meeting will > >be Dec. 30. > > > What time will this one be? > Trying to make it to this one. > > Vernon Singleton From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 28 00:59:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA27552 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:59:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA27549 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:59:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29441 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:59:30 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAS5wo6A024919 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:58:51 -0500 Received: (qmail 2894 invoked by uid 508); 28 Nov 2002 05:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cope93.tampabay.rr.com) (65.32.148.96) by 66.33.85.217 with SMTP; 28 Nov 2002 05:58:22 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.29] (helo=[192.168.2.29]) by cope93.tampabay.rr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 18HHgR-0006qR-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:57:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 20:54:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver X-X-Sender: jcopenha@adonix To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question on service starting at boot-up In-Reply-To: <200211272329.45737.a.smitty@verizon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Check the corresponding runlevel directory etc/rc.d/rc3 for text or etc/rc.d/rc5 for X (I think that is where the runlevels are) and in there you will have a symlink to the actual startup script.. etc/rc.d/init.d/blahblah .. Just get rid of the symlink and the script wont be started when you enter that runlevel anymore.. be sure to get rid of the symlink the in rc6 (shutdown) dir also.. otherwise you'll get an error message when you shutdown saying it couldn't stop a service (harmless but slightly annoying at times) Jason On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Smitty wrote: > I am using suse 8.1 and on one box I noticed the X font server starting at > boot-up. It is located in /usr/X11R6/bin/xfs. I spent a couple hours trying > to find the config file in /etc that tells this consumer of system resources > to start. Can't find it anywhere. I did manage to keep it from starting by > changing the name of /etc/X11/fs/config, but get an error message that the > file cannot be located, so there still is a config file with the start > xfs=yes in it. Anyone here know where I could find this file? > Smitty > > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 28 08:12:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA31238 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:12:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA31235 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:12:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01780 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:12:01 -0500 Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gASDBa6A018295 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:11:36 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18HORx-0006MP-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 05:11:25 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18HOQx-0000II-00 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:10:23 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Possible Meeting Topic Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:10:21 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <1038460968.19280.1.camel@sirus> In-Reply-To: <1038460968.19280.1.camel@sirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e76154a459898594944d0eabc152a6109cf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Even if I'm not there, a key signing is a good idea. Web of trust and all...I've even had my key signed by a couple of debian developers in West Palm Beach... Russell On Thursday 28 November 2002 00:22 am, you wrote: > Hello All, > Some of you on the list may notice that a few of us gpg sign our email > so you know it is coming from us. GPG could be a good meeting topic and > afterwards we could have a key signing fest. > > Just an idea, > > The Logan - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE95hW+AqKGrvVshJQRAqxyAKCrXkK8qzJKGiZRHXAgdLNbPrlaQACbBZIb /zC1gSBmMzrscuH6ksWYde8= =7FUG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 28 09:43:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA31870 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:43:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA31867 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:43:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02600 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:43:01 -0500 From: bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.34]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gASEgeKQ003754 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:42:41 -0500 Received: from Debug (webmail.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.36]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gASEgdCB011664 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:42:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200211281442.gASEgdCB011664@smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Happy Thanksgiving Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:42:39 US/Eastern X-Posting-IP: 152.163.190.1 X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.2.9 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Just wishing everyone a Happy Thanksgiving. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 28 09:44:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA31881 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:44:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA31878 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:44:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02608 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:44:11 -0500 Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gASEhBKQ003785 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:43:11 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (653277hfc128.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.77.128]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gASEhA1c015173; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:43:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting...follow up.. From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Cc: asteimle@washpat.com In-Reply-To: <001901c2955b$ee5f9800$7d0aa8c0@washpat> References: <001901c2955b$ee5f9800$7d0aa8c0@washpat> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 28 Nov 2002 09:43:06 -0500 Message-Id: <1038494587.1226.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Aaron Where are these meetings held? Can you post a mapquest link or some basic driving instructions? Regards Russ On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 09:55, Aaron Steimle wrote: > First, I would like to thank the people who showed. Saved me from being the > weird guy in the big room with a computer ( I get that enough at work). > > Their were some unanswered question last night that I wanted to at least > point in the right direction. > The first was LinNeighborhood, and yes it is a GUI for > samba...(http://www.bnro.de/~schmidjo/) ( was not sure off hand) > > The other was more general about IP configurations. Not a quick answer topic > but there are some good HOWTO's that might be useful: > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO.html > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/IP-Subnetworking.html > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/IP-Alias/index.html > > IP-aliasing is what I couldn't remember. That will give multiple IP's on one > ethernet interface. > > From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 28 10:38:25 2002 Received: from pop016.verizon.net (pop016pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.173]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA32282 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:38:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: bart.nks.net: Host pop016pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.173] claimed to be pop016.verizon.net Received: from tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-209.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.63.229.209]) by pop016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021128153824.RAN1630.pop016.verizon.net@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-209.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:38:24 -0600 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux friendly dial-up ISP From: Vince Meiste To: slug-track29@bart.nks.net In-Reply-To: <1037991778.1097.4.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> References: <1037991778.1097.4.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-144.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1038497958.1085.2.camel@tamqfl1-ar1-4-63-229-209.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 28 Nov 2002 10:39:18 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop016.verizon.net from [4.63.229.209] at Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:38:24 -0600 Thanks for everyones input on this. I decided to go with Access4Less.net at $5.95 a month. Works for me. Happy Turkey Day everybody! On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 14:02, Vince Meiste wrote: > Any recommendations on a Linux friendly dial-up (unlimited hrs., email > and web access) ISP for Pasco? The cheaper the better. Thanks......... -- Vince Meiste From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 28 10:51:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA32400 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:51:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA32397 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:51:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03231 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:51:11 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gASFoO6A027406 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:50:24 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.3] (196-1.9-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.9.1.196]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09636 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:49:04 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] Next St. Pete Meeting From: Aaron Steimle To: "slug@nks.net" Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1038498736.8051.10.camel@wolverine.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 28 Nov 2002 10:52:16 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I got the Walmart $199 Lindows computer in yesterday. So if I don't screw it up to much by next month I will bring to the meeting for whoever to look at it incase you are interested in getting one. I will also have plenty of CD's to burn...just pick a distro and I will burn it for you...also taking request..just let me know. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Monday Dec.30th 7-9pm in the auditorium ( on the left when you walk in) Saint Petersburg Main Library 3745 Ninth Avenue North St. Petersburg, FL 33713 727) 893-7724 http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&address=3745+Ninth+Avenue+North&city=saint+petersburg&state=FL&zipcode=33713&homesubmit.x=25&homesubmit.y=9 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ P.S. Happy Thanksgiving! From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 28 11:08:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA32532 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:08:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA32525 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:08:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03393 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:08:11 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gASG7J6A028429 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:07:19 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (117-68.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.68.117]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gASG7D7Z005303; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:07:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DE63F01.3080805@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:06:25 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Possible Meeting Topic References: <1038460968.19280.1.camel@sirus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > Some of you on the list may notice that a few of us gpg sign our email > so you know it is coming from us. If I were to receive mail from an impostor, someone else using your name, with or without your `sig. file' I don't think I would notice. -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% Slack. since July, 1997 (still free!) SENT D&T are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 28 11:20:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA32609 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:20:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA32606 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:20:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03502 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:20:01 -0500 Received: from glennmeyer.com (1010400136.inter-linc.com [12.10.104.136] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gASGJV6A029093 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:19:32 -0500 Received: from glennmeyer.com (main [192.168.0.3]) by glennmeyer.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gASGJAP27273 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:19:10 -0600 Message-ID: <3DE641FE.5090305@glennmeyer.com> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:19:10 -0600 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] multilink ppp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does anyone have any experience with multilink ppp? I have moved to an are that is without cable or dsl. I have two phone lines and two modems and an ISP that supports multilink in Windows. I have connected with Windows 2000 and multilink (built in to Windows) so I know it works. But I need to do it with Linux because the Windows Internet Connections Sharing doesn't support IPsec so my VPN to work doesn't work (well, and the other obvious reasons). Now I have moved my modems to my RedHat 7.2 firewall box. I have both modems set up and can connect to the ISP individually. And I can use my VPN now to work. But now it's time to turn up the speed (well, as fast as 2x 56K anyway). I have found a lot of references to Linux and MultiLink on Google, but I have not found any concrete HowTo yet. I sure would appreciate any help!! Thanks. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 28 13:31:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA01043 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:31:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA01029 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:31:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04771 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:31:11 -0500 Received: from zorak.illusionary.lan (h65-222-107-186.fl.shawcable.net [65.222.107.186]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gASIU06A004193 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:30:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (yog-sothoth [192.168.10.9]) by zorak.illusionary.lan (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gASITrSw019810 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:29:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Possible Meeting Topic From: Derek Glidden To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: <1038460968.19280.1.camel@sirus> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 28 Nov 2002 13:29:53 -0500 Message-Id: <1038508194.18694.0.camel@yog-sothoth.illusionary.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 08:10, Russell Hires wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Even if I'm not there, a key signing is a good idea. Web of trust and > all...I've even had my key signed by a couple of debian developers in West > Palm Beach... Agreed. I have Russ' sig on my key, but that's about it. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- #!/usr/bin/perl -w $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map {$_%16or$t^=$c^=($m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110; $t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16-2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z) [$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h=5;$_=unxb24,join "",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$d= unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d >>12^$d>>4^$d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q* 8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^(($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]} print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval usage: qrpff 153 2 8 105 225 < /mnt/dvd/VOB_FILENAME \ | extract_mpeg2 | mpeg2dec - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.anti-dmca.org/ From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 28 13:33:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA01060 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:33:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA01057 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:33:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04793 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:33:40 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gASIWdKQ018535 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:32:49 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 59BB35E97 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:33:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:25:07 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question on service starting at boot-up Message-Id: <20021128132507.6daf99f0.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: References: <200211272329.45737.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug > be sure to get rid > of the symlink the in rc6 (shutdown) dir also.. otherwise you'll get an > error message when you shutdown saying it couldn't stop a service > (harmless but slightly annoying at times) Actually, rc6 is the "reboot" dir; rc0 is the shutdown dir. Levi From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 28 13:42:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA01136 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:42:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA01133 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:42:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04898 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:42:30 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gASIftKQ019100 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:41:56 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 2ECB95E97 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:42:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:34:24 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multilink ppp Message-Id: <20021128133424.42140ed3.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <3DE641FE.5090305@glennmeyer.com> References: <3DE641FE.5090305@glennmeyer.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:19:10 -0600 Glenn Meyer wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with multilink ppp? I have moved to an > are that is without cable or dsl. I have two phone lines and two modems > and an ISP that supports multilink in Windows. > > I have connected with Windows 2000 and multilink (built in to Windows) > so I know it works. But I need to do it with Linux because the Windows > Internet Connections Sharing doesn't support IPsec so my VPN to work > doesn't work (well, and the other obvious reasons). > > Now I have moved my modems to my RedHat 7.2 firewall box. I have both > modems set up and can connect to the ISP individually. And I can use my > VPN now to work. But now it's time to turn up the speed (well, as fast > as 2x 56K anyway). > > I have found a lot of references to Linux and MultiLink on Google, but I > have not found any concrete HowTo yet. I sure would appreciate any > help!! Thanks. > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/x1167.html has some information on setting up EQL, which is used to logically bind two network connections and share their bandwidth. Hope this helps, Levi From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 28 17:35:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA02789 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:35:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA02786 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:35:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07041 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:35:00 -0500 Received: from archimedes.caffeine-addict.com (pcp02063058pcs.englwd01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.3.135]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gASMYVKQ001202 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:34:31 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] multilink ppp Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:37:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E4389546F@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 Thread-Topic: [SLUG] multilink ppp Thread-Index: AcKXEEeVWPXHA9oMQ/qp1FFjiLTErwAHgFAA From: "Craig Zeigler" To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id RAA02787 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I don't suppose if this will work with Ethernet connections... -----Original Message----- From: Levi Bard [mailto:levi@bard.sytes.net] Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 1:34 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multilink ppp On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:19:10 -0600 Glenn Meyer wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with multilink ppp? I have moved to an > are that is without cable or dsl. I have two phone lines and two modems > and an ISP that supports multilink in Windows. > > I have connected with Windows 2000 and multilink (built in to Windows) > so I know it works. But I need to do it with Linux because the Windows > Internet Connections Sharing doesn't support IPsec so my VPN to work > doesn't work (well, and the other obvious reasons). > > Now I have moved my modems to my RedHat 7.2 firewall box. I have both > modems set up and can connect to the ISP individually. And I can use my > VPN now to work. But now it's time to turn up the speed (well, as fast > as 2x 56K anyway). > > I have found a lot of references to Linux and MultiLink on Google, but I > have not found any concrete HowTo yet. I sure would appreciate any > help!! Thanks. > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/x1167.html has some information on setting up EQL, which is used to logically bind two network connections and share their bandwidth. Hope this helps, Levi From owner-slug-track29 Thu Nov 28 20:11:23 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA03867 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:11:23 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA03856 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:11:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08339 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:11:22 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAT1AL6A027227 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:10:21 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A59F5E97 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:11:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:02:41 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multilink ppp Message-Id: <20021128200241.00a06c23.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E4389546F@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> References: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E4389546F@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:37:33 -0500 "Craig Zeigler" wrote: > I don't suppose if this will work with Ethernet connections... Sorry, only point to point. There may be other software that allows you to do this with ethernet (didn't see any with a cursory search), or you could possibly try PPPoE. Too much work, in my case - most of my machines have trouble putting 100Mb/s on the line anyway. Levi From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 29 09:19:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA10481 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:19:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA10478 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:19:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16465 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:19:30 -0500 Received: from archimedes.caffeine-addict.com (pcp02063058pcs.englwd01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.3.135]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gATEIiKQ029244 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:18:45 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] multilink ppp Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:21:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E43895470@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 Thread-Topic: [SLUG] multilink ppp Thread-Index: AcKXRuMTYjJhsC26Tn2mhGLtPQqDEgAazP7A From: "Craig Zeigler" To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bart.nks.net id JAA10479 Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug That is one of those geek things... Gee how can I make this faster even though it's unnecessary. -----Original Message----- From: Levi Bard [mailto:levi@bard.sytes.net] Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:03 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multilink ppp On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:37:33 -0500 "Craig Zeigler" wrote: > I don't suppose if this will work with Ethernet connections... Sorry, only point to point. There may be other software that allows you to do this with ethernet (didn't see any with a cursory search), or you could possibly try PPPoE. Too much work, in my case - most of my machines have trouble putting 100Mb/s on the line anyway. Levi From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 29 09:36:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA10620 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:36:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA10617 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:36:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16612 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:36:10 -0500 Received: from spanky.onsyd.com (tamqfl1-ar3-4-64-048-131.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net [4.64.48.131]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gATEZOKQ030399 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:35:28 -0500 Received: from karma.onsyd.com (karma.onsyd.com [192.168.0.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by spanky.onsyd.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gATEZKek008955; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:35:21 -0500 From: Syd Alsobrook To: slug@nks.net, "Craig Zeigler" Subject: Re: [SLUG] multilink ppp Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:35:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.7 References: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E43895470@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> In-Reply-To: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E43895470@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> X-NSA-Trigger: Plutonium infiltrate Fissionable weapons grade NSA CIA (Have a Nice Day) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200211290935.19911.syd@ittagteam.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Here is what you are looking for. I had remembered seeing this when I was playing with the idea of building a beowulf cluster. http://www.beowulf.org/software/bonding.html On Friday 29 November 2002 09:21, Craig Zeigler wrote: > That is one of those geek things... Gee how can I make this faster even > though it's unnecessary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Levi Bard [mailto:levi@bard.sytes.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:03 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] multilink ppp > > > On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:37:33 -0500 > > "Craig Zeigler" wrote: > > I don't suppose if this will work with Ethernet connections... > > Sorry, only point to point. There may be other software that allows you > to do this with ethernet (didn't see any with a cursory search), or you > could possibly try PPPoE. Too much work, in my case - most of my > machines have trouble putting 100Mb/s on the line anyway. > > Levi -- ----------- Protect your privacy. http://www.epic.org http://www.gnupg.org From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 29 20:48:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA15283 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:48:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA15280 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:48:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22382 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:48:00 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAU1lFKQ008683 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:47:15 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id E5FBF5F01 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:48:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:39:28 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] off-topic: hardware retailer Message-Id: <20021129203928.1a210dda.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <200211290935.19911.syd@ittagteam.com> References: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E43895470@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com> <200211290935.19911.syd@ittagteam.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Does anyone have a favorite local PC hardware retailer? Price and quality are my main concerns. Thanks in advance, Levi From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 29 21:16:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA15497 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:16:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA15494 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:16:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22614 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:16:10 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAU2FaKQ010405 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:15:36 -0500 Received: from icctower (rrcs-se-24-73-216-92.biz.rr.com [24.73.216.92]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAU2FZ7Z007774 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:15:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801c29816$5ff48cc0$6501a8c0@icctower> From: "Mike Gray" To: References: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E43895470@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com><200211290935.19911.syd@ittagteam.com> <20021129203928.1a210dda.levi@bard.sytes.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] off-topic: hardware retailer Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:15:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug try tcwo.com there in tampa by the airport ----- Original Message ----- From: "Levi Bard" To: Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:39 PM Subject: [SLUG] off-topic: hardware retailer > Does anyone have a favorite local PC hardware retailer? Price and quality are my main concerns. > > Thanks in advance, > Levi From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 29 22:02:56 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA15838 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:02:56 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA15835 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:02:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23008 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:02:55 -0500 Received: from hank.mjudge.net (adsl-21-238-213.mco.bellsouth.net [66.21.238.213]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAU32P6A019756 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:02:25 -0500 Received: from beavis.mjudge.net (beavis.mjudge.net [192.168.1.2]) by hank.mjudge.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id gAU32JP14543 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:02:19 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Brian Coyle Organization: CHAOS -- That's a level of organization, isn't it? To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Possible Meeting Topic Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:02:08 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <1038460968.19280.1.camel@sirus> <3DE63F01.3080805@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3DE63F01.3080805@tampabay.rr.com> X-Reply-Content-Type: No HTML Mail, please! Send plain text. X-GPG-Fingerprint: AE1C 123A 1153 8A63 E8A9 FAEA 111D CCB8 7527 701B X-Message-flag: This has been a test of the M$ Outlook virus system... Had this been an actual virus, you'd have been... Well, toast. MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02112922020800.01480@beavis.mjudge.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 28 November 2002 11:06, Ronald KA4INM Youvan wrote: > > Some of you on the list may notice that a few of us gpg sign our email > > so you know it is coming from us. > > If I were to receive mail from an impostor, someone else using your name, > with or without your `sig. file' I don't think I would notice. There are more reasons than simply email signing to use GPG. Take a look at the rash of trojaned code recently (sendmail, openssh, irc, tcpdump)... Most developers have taken to signing the distribution tarball/MD5 hash. This is one method to ensure the code has not been tampered with. It's a Good Thing [tm] to know how to check keys, and verify files. Even if you don't use GPG for signing your email. ;) - -- GPG Key fingerprint = AE1C 123A 1153 8A63 E8A9 FAEA 111D CCB8 7527 701B -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Brian Coyle, GCIA http://www.giac.org/GCIA.php iD8DBQE96Co6ER3MuHUncBsRAneoAJ9vZznzSNkBGIUmmeo9j1xRXljKbACfeBnM OAPdGRFadghnoIz93ordBbc= =sEvD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 29 22:04:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA15849 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:04:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA15846 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:04:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23012 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:04:00 -0500 Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAU334KQ013385 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:03:04 -0500 Received: from delinux ([4.47.101.109]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021130030303.IJOG16073.out001.verizon.net@delinux> for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:03:03 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Smitty Organization: No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he is free. - von =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6the?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Firewall/router box problems Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:06:41 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211292206.41645.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out001.verizon.net from [4.47.101.109] at Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:03:03 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug I have set up my old box as a firewall/router. There are no problems in it accessing the internet. However, when I try to access the internet from my workstation, it is unreachable, as well as the firewall box. I have also been running a firewall on the workstation. As far as I know, I have entered the correct internal ip addresses in the configuration. One possible glitch is that I did not know what address to enter for a destination address. Would that be my isp's ip address? I am very new to this so am unsure about what I am doing right and wrong. Any experienced suggestions? Smitty From owner-slug-track29 Fri Nov 29 23:40:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA16592 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:40:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA16578 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:40:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23813 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:40:48 -0500 From: corey@serviceweb.net Received: from cosmos.serviceweb.net (cosmos.serviceweb.net [209.94.121.24]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAU4dp6A025226 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:39:52 -0500 Received: (qmail 27150 invoked by uid 99); 30 Nov 2002 04:39:41 -0000 Received: from 65.35.136.232 ( [65.35.136.232]) as user corey@serviceweb.net@serviceweb.net by mail.serviceweb.net with HTTP; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:39:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1038631181.3de8410d9761e@mail.serviceweb.net> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:39:41 -0500 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: Re: [SLUG] dual boot question References: <000001c2958b$93cfb110$3701a8c0@D94ZB121> <1038429520.2216.4.camel@Gwain> In-Reply-To: <1038429520.2216.4.camel@Gwain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 65.35.136.232 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug System Commander was quite nice. While in college, I had installed Dos/Win 3.1, Win 95, Win 98, NT4, Linux and Solaris X86 on one machine (just because I could) and it worked nicely. These days I would reccomend the setup of Grub to control the loading of the bootloaders for you, it's free and it comes with the newest linux distributions. HTH, Corey Quoting Joe Brandt : > On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 15:37, Mikes work account wrote: > > I have a gateway and two hard drives. Each will boot correctly. One is > > RH 8.0 and the other '98. How do I set up the dual boot with two drives > > already with systems on them? > > > > > I used to use a program called System Commander (years ago) and it > worked really well with 4 different OS's loaded on 2 hard-drives. > > > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 00:11:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA16835 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:11:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA16832 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:11:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24116 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:11:51 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAU5BNKQ021408 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:11:28 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id B92015F01 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:12:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:03:35 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firewall/router box problems Message-Id: <20021130000335.2ebbb19a.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <200211292206.41645.a.smitty@verizon.net> References: <200211292206.41645.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Multipart_Sat__30_Nov_2002_00:03:35_-0500_0827b5a8" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Multipart_Sat__30_Nov_2002_00:03:35_-0500_0827b5a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have set up my old box as a firewall/router. There are no problems in it > accessing the internet. However, when I try to access the internet from my > workstation, it is unreachable, as well as the firewall box. I have also > been running a firewall on the workstation. As far as I know, I have entered > the correct internal ip addresses in the configuration. One possible glitch > is that I did not know what address to enter for a destination address. > Would that be my isp's ip address? I am very new to this so am unsure about > what I am doing right and wrong. > Any experienced suggestions? > Smitty When you say "destination address", in what context is that? I'm attaching an example iptables script, similar to one I use on my own fw/router. Let me know if it helps. Levi --Multipart_Sat__30_Nov_2002_00:03:35_-0500_0827b5a8 Content-Type: text/x-sh; name="iptables.sh" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="iptables.sh" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #!/bin/sh #allow forwarding echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward #flush all tables iptables -F iptables -t nat -F #drop icmp iptables -A INPUT -s 0/0 -p icmp -j DROP #allow all output iptables -A OUTPUT -j ACCEPT #allow private traffic iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -d 192.168.21.21 -j ACCEPT #allow outgoing traffic iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -d ! 192.168.21.21 -j ACCEPT #http in iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -p udp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT #smtp in iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -p udp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT #pop3 in iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 110 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -p udp --dport 110 -j ACCEPT #imap in iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 143 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -p udp --dport 143 -j ACCEPT #forward established connections iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT #default deny (everything else) iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j DROP iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -j DROP ### # NAT ### #masquerade everything out iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE #masquerade internal->external->internal connections iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.21.0/24 -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.21.30 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p udp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.21.30 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 25 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.21.30 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p udp --dport 25 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.21.30 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 110 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.21.30 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p udp --dport 110 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.21.30 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 143 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.21.30 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p udp --dport 143 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.21.30 #bounce internal->external->internal connections iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -d my.domain.name -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.21.30 --Multipart_Sat__30_Nov_2002_00:03:35_-0500_0827b5a8-- From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 00:17:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA16879 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:17:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA16876 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:17:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24180 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:17:33 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAU5GaKQ021750 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:16:36 -0500 Received: (qmail 99882 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2002 05:17:26 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 30 Nov 2002 05:17:26 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18HzzQ-0000Kd-00 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:16:28 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:16:24 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firewall/router box problems Message-ID: <20021130051623.GA1233@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200211292206.41645.a.smitty@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200211292206.41645.a.smitty@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 10:06:41PM -0500, Smitty wrote: > I have set up my old box as a firewall/router. There are no problems in it > accessing the internet. However, when I try to access the internet from my > workstation, it is unreachable, as well as the firewall box. I have also > been running a firewall on the workstation. As far as I know, I have entered > the correct internal ip addresses in the configuration. One possible glitch > is that I did not know what address to enter for a destination address. > Would that be my isp's ip address? I am very new to this so am unsure about > what I am doing right and wrong. > Any experienced suggestions? > Smitty You don't need your ISP's IP. You need the nameserver IPs for name resolution, but that should be it. It's been a very long time since I messed with this, but it sounds on the surface like an IP forwarding problem. I'd turn off the firewall at your workstation while you experiment. Assuming you can ping the internet from the firewall, and ping the firewall from your workstation, can you ping the internet from your workstation? What comes back? No response at all? If so, then the packets aren't being forwarded. Make your pings numeric, so as not to complicate things with nameserver lookups. I think you can turn on IP forwarding by stuffing a '1' in the right /proc file. Try echo '1' > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward I think that will turn it on. You can add that to your firewall script. Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 00:22:50 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA16952 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:22:50 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA16939 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:22:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24247 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:22:49 -0500 Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAU5LR6A027615 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:21:27 -0500 Received: from lsanca1-ar22-4-33-006-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.33.6.150] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18I045-0003e0-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:21:17 -0800 Received: from rusty by poet.village-smurf.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18I02z-000240-00 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:20:09 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firewall/router box problems Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:20:04 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <200211292206.41645.a.smitty@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200211292206.41645.a.smitty@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-ELNK-Trace: c3cfcab453fc101994f5150ab1c16ac09fe6397055324e76c35e51ac177f8b09c5fb9522ee7e9e97350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You still have to tell your internal computer how to do DNS. For me, it's as simple as setting resolv.conf to the nameserver address 4.2.2.1 on the internal machine. Also, your firewall must have something along the lines of echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward in your rules...for me, this works because I'm using a 2.2.x kernel. I don't know if it would look like this in 2.4.x kernels. HTH Russell On Friday 29 November 2002 22:06 pm, you wrote: > I have set up my old box as a firewall/router. There are no problems in it > accessing the internet. However, when I try to access the internet from my > workstation, it is unreachable, as well as the firewall box. I have also > been running a firewall on the workstation. As far as I know, I have > entered the correct internal ip addresses in the configuration. One > possible glitch is that I did not know what address to enter for a > destination address. Would that be my isp's ip address? I am very new to > this so am unsure about what I am doing right and wrong. > Any experienced suggestions? > Smitty - -- Linux -- the OS for the Renaissance Man -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE96EqHAqKGrvVshJQRAs8yAKD0XUq1XbuHvlgjh10IDtQ0p/wQ+wCg95vy 0uqqYqLjfXU8RUO+sqAtyMs= =Qcg3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 06:15:42 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA19775 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 06:15:42 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA19772 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 06:15:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27771 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 06:15:41 -0500 Received: from dt2.gschmidt.net (6535161hfc60.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.161.60]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAUBEbKQ012261 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 06:14:53 -0500 Received: by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5D6382AE7B; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 06:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt2.gschmidt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594E17CCA for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 06:14:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 06:14:37 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Schmidt To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firewall/router box problems In-Reply-To: <200211292206.41645.a.smitty@verizon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Smitty wrote: > One possible glitch > is that I did not know what address to enter for a destination address. > Would that be my isp's ip address? I am very new to this so am unsure about > what I am doing right and wrong. > Any experienced suggestions? > Smitty > The "destination address" on your workstation (not router/firewall) should probably be the IP address of the NIC on your router/firewall that is connected to your LAN. The one you set statically, not the one that goes to your ISP. Your workstation needs to be told where to send any packet it can't otherwise figure out where to send. The only interesting place for it to send any other packets is the LAN side/inside/protected side/statically addressed NIC of your router/firewall. That NIC on your firewall is your workstation's gateway. Its default route. Its ticket to your ISP and the rest of the world. It's the device that can get your workstation's packets off the local subnet. You're going to need to tell your workstation which DNS servers to use too. You can probably use the ones listed in /etc/resolv.conf on your firewall. It would have gotten those by DHCP from your ISP. Sounds like your project is coming along well. Greg From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 09:01:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA21804 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:01:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA21801 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:01:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29667 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:01:00 -0500 Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAUE0eKQ023308 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:00:40 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp878729pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.65.151]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.5 (built Sep 23 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H6E00IJE6VLG8@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 08:59:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 08:59:45 -0500 From: Logan Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firewall/router box problems In-reply-to: <200211292206.41645.a.smitty@verizon.net> To: SLUG Message-id: <1038664786.2039.4.camel@sirus> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-Kol2mtPwpIUoy5dEox0A"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 References: <200211292206.41645.a.smitty@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug --=-Kol2mtPwpIUoy5dEox0A Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 22:06, Smitty wrote: =20 > Would that be my isp's ip address? I am very new to this so am unsure ab= out=20 > what I am doing right and wrong. =20 > Any experienced suggestions? When I built my first firewall, I used the shorewall program. It has easy instructions (with pictures!) and allows you to see what iptables is doing. You can find it at http://www.shorewall.net=20 The Logan --=20 08:55:01 up 130 days, 1:29, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.12, 0.46 You'd like to do it instantaneously, but that's too slow. Registered Linux User 277727 ICQ 72101412 --=-Kol2mtPwpIUoy5dEox0A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA96MRR3OecGqSbkyMRAkYZAKDkkE8Zkpv9MTFn+MTEzRA0Zc4M0wCgxSal VPko58w9bX+CCNKGIsSxTPs= =+Lvk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Kol2mtPwpIUoy5dEox0A-- From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 10:56:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA22738 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:56:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA22724 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:56:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30580 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:56:18 -0500 From: bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAUFtC6A032226 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:55:12 -0500 Received: from myduron (653269hfc51.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.69.51]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAUFt61c010925 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:55:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00a601c29888$eef05fe0$33452041@tampabay.rr.com> To: References: <88A4F7AA41FFCE4C9945B7B6AA9E43895470@archimedes.caffeine-addict.com><200211290935.19911.syd@ittagteam.com> <20021129203928.1a210dda.levi@bard.sytes.net> <000801c29816$5ff48cc0$6501a8c0@icctower> Subject: Re: [SLUG] off-topic: hardware retailer Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:55:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Yes Thompson's as mentioned off Benjamin Road By the Airport in The Thompson's Industrial park. Only other place would be Georges Pc on Fowler by the University mall. I would say though that Thompson's is the best choice. After these two could not begin to suggest anyone else. Bill Preece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gray" To: Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] off-topic: hardware retailer > try tcwo.com there in tampa by the airport > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Levi Bard" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:39 PM > Subject: [SLUG] off-topic: hardware retailer > > > > Does anyone have a favorite local PC hardware retailer? Price and quality > are my main concerns. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Levi > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 11:21:28 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA22942 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:21:28 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA22939 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:21:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30796 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:21:28 -0500 Received: from bigcan2.rapidsys.com (tincan.rapidsys.com [209.84.253.13] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAUGKq6A001226 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:20:52 -0500 Received: by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:20:47 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([216.202.125.224]) by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id X8HWLPTV; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:20:45 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([192.168.0.5]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAUFQ5n11431 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:26:05 -0500 From: Mike Manchester To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] usb addon card Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-6) Date: 30 Nov 2002 11:23:19 -0500 Message-Id: <1038673399.6651.6.camel@cpt> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug My son would like to us a USB printer, but his motherboard doesn't have a usb port. Has anyone used a PCI usb addon card with Redhat Linux? If so did it work? Any suggestions as to what brand to buy? Any help with this would be appreciated. He doesn't have the money to upgrade his motherboard. So the card seems to be his only option. Unless there is some kind of adapter that will attache the USB to a Parallel port and make it appear as a parallel printer to Linux. The printer he is looking at is supported by Linux. Thanks Mike M. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 11:42:41 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA23122 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:42:41 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA23119 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:42:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30974 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:42:40 -0500 From: bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com Received: from smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.43]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAUGg2KQ000806 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:42:02 -0500 Received: from myduron (653269hfc51.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.69.51]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAUGg11c025135 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:42:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00bc01c2988f$7d0f5fa0$33452041@tampabay.rr.com> To: References: <1038673399.6651.6.camel@cpt> Subject: Re: [SLUG] usb addon card Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:42:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug You can get a Siig at Best buys works great for around $27.00 is what I paid for one not only did it work with Linux it works with a Mac running Linux and the card said for Pc only but as Russell suggested to me it should work it does and at $25.00 less than the same one in a box marked for a Mac. It also works with a Pc running Elx, Lycoris and Mandrake. Bill Preece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Manchester" To: Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: [SLUG] usb addon card > My son would like to us a USB printer, but his motherboard doesn't have > a usb port. Has anyone used a PCI usb addon card with Redhat Linux? If > so did it work? Any suggestions as to what brand to buy? Any help with > this would be appreciated. He doesn't have the money to upgrade his > motherboard. So the card seems to be his only option. Unless there is > some kind of adapter that will attache the USB to a Parallel port and > make it appear as a parallel printer to Linux. The printer he is looking > at is supported by Linux. > > > Thanks > Mike M. > > > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 12:16:34 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA23413 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:16:34 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA23410 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:16:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31277 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:16:33 -0500 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAUHEpKQ002835 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:14:51 -0500 Received: from user-33qts1a.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.240.42] helo=localhost.localdomain) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18IBCb-0001ux-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:14:50 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: Slug Subject: [SLUG] Replacement for Hyper-Terminal Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:19:07 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211301219.07607.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Hi All and a happy holidays I have a set of files that must be transfered to&from my notebook from&to a specialized process control non Windows or non Linux computer by means of a null modem cable through a serial port. This action cane easily be performed by means of Hyper Terminal in Windows. I would appreciate a little help in the form of: "What program in Linux may possible be used to accomplish the same action?" Thanks Frank From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 12:34:12 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA23567 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:34:12 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA23564 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:34:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31475 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:34:11 -0500 Received: from ns3.webmasters.com (ns3.webmasters.com [66.118.156.141]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAUHXeKQ004033 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:33:40 -0500 Received: (qmail 7994 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2002 17:38:36 -0000 Received: from 6532163hfc227.tampabay.rr.com (HELO ?192.168.1.60?) (65.32.163.227) by 66.118.156.142 with SMTP; 30 Nov 2002 17:38:36 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Replacement for Hyper-Terminal From: Andrew Wyatt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200211301219.07607.sotl155360@earthlink.net> References: <200211301219.07607.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1038676899.3287.1.camel@lattitude> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 30 Nov 2002 12:21:39 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Use minicom, it feels like telix or procomm. -Andrew On Sat, 2002-11-30 at 12:19, Frank Roberts - SOTL wrote: > Hi All and a happy holidays > > I have a set of files that must be transfered to&from my notebook from&to a > specialized process control non Windows or non Linux computer by means of a > null modem cable through a serial port. > > This action cane easily be performed by means of Hyper Terminal in Windows. > > I would appreciate a little help in the form of: > "What program in Linux may possible be used to accomplish the same action?" > > Thanks > Frank -- Andrew Wyatt FEWT Software - http://www.fewt.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 12:45:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA23702 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:45:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA23699 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:45:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31568 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:45:11 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAUHinKQ004718 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:44:50 -0500 Received: (qmail 15366 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2002 17:45:46 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 30 Nov 2002 17:45:46 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18IBfZ-0001AS-00 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:44:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:44:38 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Which exec* function to use? Message-ID: <20021130174438.GA3506@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug This is for all you programmers out there. I have a C++ program that does some preparatory tasks. Then I'd like it to call another program which would execute another task, and return, then exit. Like this: int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { do_some_stuff(); do_another_program(); return 0; } The question is what system function to use to launch that secondary program. The fork() function doesn't allow me to pass a program name for it to execute. The exec*() functions don't return unless there's an error. I want a function that shares the majority of the parent's environment and will search for executables, do its business, and then return to the calling program. Anyone know what the name of this beast is? Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 12:49:52 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA23751 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:49:52 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA23748 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:49:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31618 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:49:51 -0500 Received: from hosting40.hispeedhosting.com (hosting40.hispeedhosting.com [66.70.4.5]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAUHnDKQ004992 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:49:23 -0500 Received: from stan (tamqfl1-ar9-4-63-111-010.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net [4.63.111.10]) by [66.70.4.59] (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id gAUHnA031943 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:49:10 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c29898$d0090c20$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "James Miller" To: References: <001901c2955b$ee5f9800$7d0aa8c0@washpat> <1038494587.1226.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting... (MapQuest map) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:49:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&address=3745+N inth+Avenue+North&city=St.+Petersburg&state=FL&zipcode=33713&homesubmit.x=59 &homesubmit.y=2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Wright" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting...follow up.. > Aaron > > Where are these meetings held? Can you post a mapquest link or some > basic driving instructions? > > Regards > Russ > > > On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 09:55, Aaron Steimle wrote: > > First, I would like to thank the people who showed. Saved me from being the > > weird guy in the big room with a computer ( I get that enough at work). > > > > Their were some unanswered question last night that I wanted to at least > > point in the right direction. > > The first was LinNeighborhood, and yes it is a GUI for > > samba...(http://www.bnro.de/~schmidjo/) ( was not sure off hand) > > > > The other was more general about IP configurations. Not a quick answer topic > > but there are some good HOWTO's that might be useful: > > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO.html > > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/IP-Subnetworking.html > > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/IP-Alias/index.html > > > > IP-aliasing is what I couldn't remember. That will give multiple IP's on one > > ethernet interface. > > > > > > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 12:51:18 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA23804 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:51:18 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA23801 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:51:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31650 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:51:18 -0500 Received: from bigcan2.rapidsys.com (tincan.rapidsys.com [209.84.253.13] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAUHoW6A006527 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:50:32 -0500 Received: by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:50:26 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([216.202.125.224]) by bigcan2.rapidsys.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id X8HWLQAB; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:50:23 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([192.168.0.5]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAUGthn11529 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:55:43 -0500 From: Mike Manchester To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] usb addon card In-Reply-To: <00bc01c2988f$7d0f5fa0$33452041@tampabay.rr.com> References: <1038673399.6651.6.camel@cpt> <00bc01c2988f$7d0f5fa0$33452041@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-6) Date: 30 Nov 2002 12:52:57 -0500 Message-Id: <1038678777.6856.4.camel@cpt> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks Bill. Mike M. On Sat, 2002-11-30 at 11:42, bpreece1@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > You can get a Siig at Best buys works great for around $27.00 is what I paid > for one not only did it work with Linux it works with a Mac running Linux > and the card said for Pc only but as Russell suggested to me it should work > it does and at $25.00 less than the same one in a box marked for a Mac. It > also works with a Pc running Elx, Lycoris and Mandrake. > > Bill Preece > From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 12:59:31 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA23920 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:59:31 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA23917 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:59:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31744 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:59:31 -0500 Received: from server1.virtualtechnologies.net (virtualtechnologies.net [209.61.155.76] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with SMTP id gAUHxDKQ005624 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:59:13 -0500 Received: (qmail 15623 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2002 18:00:09 -0000 Received: from tamqfl1-ar4-4-47-197-082.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO rocky.mars.lan) (4.47.197.82) by virtualtechnologies.net with SMTP; 30 Nov 2002 18:00:09 -0000 Received: from paulf by rocky.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18IBtU-0001BQ-00 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:59:08 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:59:04 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Re: Which exec* function to use? Message-ID: <20021130175904.GB3506@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List References: <20021130174438.GA3506@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021130174438.GA3506@quillandmouse.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 12:44:38PM -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: > I want a function that shares the majority of the parent's > environment and will search for executables, do its business, and then > return to the calling program. Anyone know what the name of this beast > is? Never mind. Found it. It's system(3). Paul From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 13:33:51 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA24205 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:33:51 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA24202 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:33:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32076 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:33:50 -0500 Received: from smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.39]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAUIX2KQ007863 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:33:02 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (653296hfc136.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.96.136]) by smtp-server2.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAUIX1fD010772 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:33:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:38:38 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Braman X-X-Sender: To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Which exec* function to use? In-Reply-To: <20021130175904.GB3506@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 12:44:38PM -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > I want a function that shares the majority of the parent's > > environment and will search for executables, do its business, and then > > return to the calling program. Anyone know what the name of this beast > > is? > > Never mind. Found it. It's system(3). You can also use a combination of fork/exec to get what you want if you don't desire waiting on system to return. (Asynchronous execution.) Paul Braman aeon@tampabay.rr.com From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 14:02:11 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA24491 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:02:11 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA24488 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:02:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32313 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:02:10 -0500 Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAUJ1GKQ009659 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:01:16 -0500 Received: from user-33qtshm.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.242.54] helo=localhost.localdomain) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18ICrX-0000QL-00; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:01:11 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net, Andrew Wyatt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Replacement for Hyper-Terminal Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:31:55 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <200211301219.07607.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <1038676899.3287.1.camel@lattitude> In-Reply-To: <1038676899.3287.1.camel@lattitude> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200211301331.55148.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Thanks Andrew. Frank On Saturday 30 November 2002 12:21, Andrew Wyatt wrote: > Use minicom, it feels like telix or procomm. > > -Andrew > > On Sat, 2002-11-30 at 12:19, Frank Roberts - SOTL wrote: > > Hi All and a happy holidays > > > > I have a set of files that must be transfered to&from my notebook from&to > > a specialized process control non Windows or non Linux computer by means > > of a null modem cable through a serial port. > > > > This action cane easily be performed by means of Hyper Terminal in > > Windows. > > > > I would appreciate a little help in the form of: > > "What program in Linux may possible be used to accomplish the same > > action?" > > > > Thanks > > Frank From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 16:35:01 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA25844 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:35:01 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA25841 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:35:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01071 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:35:00 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (f112.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.112]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAULYNKQ019150 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:34:23 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:34:22 -0800 Received: from 4.63.228.174 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:34:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.63.228.174] From: "wolfs hawk" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] off-topic: hardware retailer Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:34:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2002 21:34:22.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FA33460:01C298B8] X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Try www.cbwarehouse.com. They are located here in Bradenton. They seem to be very reasonable. Wolf. >Does anyone have a favorite local PC hardware retailer? Price and quality >are my main concerns. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 17:37:02 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA26456 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:37:02 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA26453 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:37:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.nks.net (bragi.nks.net [63.146.188.35]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01585 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:37:01 -0500 Received: from snoopy.augie.edu (6535242hfc225.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.242.225]) by nks-ma-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gAUMZuKQ022982 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:35:57 -0500 Received: from Tak (tak.augie.edu [192.168.21.2]) by snoopy.augie.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 2EC255F01 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:36:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:28:00 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] off-topic: hardware retailer Message-Id: <20021130172800.357c6421.levi@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug Great, thanks for all the suggestions! Levi From owner-slug-track29 Sat Nov 30 20:48:19 2002 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA28258 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:48:19 -0500 Received: from homer.nks.net (homer.nks.net [66.152.21.172]) by bart.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA28255 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:48:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.nks.net (tango.nks.net [66.152.21.18]) by homer.nks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03136 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:48:19 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.1.41]) by nks-ma-01.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.1/Debian -5) with ESMTP id gB11lv6A001340 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:47:57 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (653281hfc95.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.81.95]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB11lo7c015882 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:47:51 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:47:28 -0500 To: slug@nks.net From: Mario Lombardo Subject: [SLUG] XF86Config issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-NKS-MailAssistant-VirusScan: Found to be clean Sender: slug@lists.nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug SHORT: RH7.1 with the latest stable kernel from up2date. I used xf86config to update my X configuration. Now, it doesn't work at all. LONG: I upgraded my video card. I saved /etc/X11/XF86Config to XF86Config.s630. I ran xf86config and selected my new ATI Rage 128 card (type 67). I properly selected my horizontal and vertical refresh rates for my monitor. I let it save the file to /etc/X11/XF86Config. I fired-up startx at the prompt. It bombs at: SubSection "extmod" Module section keyword expected I read the manual on XF86Config. The syntax is fine as it should be, considering it was created from the xf86config program. Why did this happen? What can I do to fix it. Even now, that I replaced the new file with the old XF86Config.s630 (renamed, of course), it doesn't work. This will drive a man crazy! Please help. /mario