From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 31 23:59:28 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i114xSgv032409 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:59:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i114xSox032408 for slug-track29; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:59:28 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i114xRgv032404 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:59:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i114xRT9031884 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:59:27 -0500 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i114x02r003356 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:59:00 -0500 Received: from MARS (119-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.119]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E358100672 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:58:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete S." To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Cheap Microtel PC's...anyone have any experience withthem? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:58:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1075602884.5141.2.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.1, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_20 -2.60, IN_REP_TO -0.37, MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE -0.14, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE -0.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Verizon cable (channel 76 in Clearwater)... Think it also comes with the Brighthouse digital package. -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Joe Brandt Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:35 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Cheap Microtel PC's...anyone have any experience withthem? > Below is a link from Tech TV (the Screen Savers), > http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/products/story/0,24330,3598882,00.html > > Pete > I use a C-Band dish to watch The Screensavers. How do you get it? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 1 02:00:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1170lgv000951 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 02:00:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1170lYN000950 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 02:00:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1170kgv000946 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 02:00:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1170jTF004077 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 02:00:46 -0500 Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1170G88021148 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 02:00:16 -0500 Received: from 6535219hfc162.tampabay.rr.com ([65.35.219.162] helo=blackgold) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AnBaZ-0003eY-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:00:16 -0800 Message-ID: <002601c3e891$50e51c00$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> From: "savatage" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Microtel PC's...anyone have any experience withthem? Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 02:01:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-ELNK-Trace: 44b05ea7a2d5b6629c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4df1ae84c87d5615c90aee4b81fd51289e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.1, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_20 -2.60, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bright OutHouse channel 142 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete S." To: Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 11:58 PM Subject: RE: [SLUG] Cheap Microtel PC's...anyone have any experience withthem? > Verizon cable (channel 76 in Clearwater)... Think it also comes with the > Brighthouse digital package. > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Joe Brandt > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:35 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: RE: [SLUG] Cheap Microtel PC's...anyone have any experience > withthem? > > > > Below is a link from Tech TV (the Screen Savers), > > http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/products/story/0,24330,3598882,00.html > > > > Pete > > > I use a C-Band dish to watch The Screensavers. How do you get it? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 1 16:56:40 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i11Ludgv007755 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:56:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i11LudEl007754 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:56:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i11Ludgv007750 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:56:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i11LucT7004308 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:56:38 -0500 Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (h001.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.65]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i11LuP2r016281 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:56:30 -0500 Received: (cpmta 28207 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2004 13:56:24 -0800 Received: from 67.8.89.118 (HELO databasepro.net) by smtp.birt.com (209.228.32.65) with SMTP; 1 Feb 2004 13:56:24 -0800 X-Sent: 1 Feb 2004 21:56:24 GMT Message-ID: <401D7606.7050409@databasepro.net> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 16:56:22 -0500 From: "Travis R. Birt" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030708 Debian/1.3-4.lindows43 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Microtel PC's...anyone have any experience with them? References: <20040130234431.GA3779@quillandmouse.com> <000a01c3e6d5$4b55e9d0$6901a8c0@stan> <401BD683.9020707@databasepro.net> <001f01c3e7ae$93fd6990$6901a8c0@stan> In-Reply-To: <001f01c3e7ae$93fd6990$6901a8c0@stan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.5, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Lindows only talks to the Server if you run the CNR app. If you do not belong to the CNR Warehouse, you obviously do not need to run the CNR app. So you just disable that, and it will stop talking to the server. You can stop CNR from auto starting every time just by following these easy steps. 1. Look in /usr/share/autostart for clicknrun.desktop. 2. Move file to a backup location 3. Click and Run will not autostart anymore. Hope this helps you to better understand, and therefore less likely to slam my current Favorite OS. Thanks! Travis James Miller wrote: > It ran fine, and had lots of pretty toys, but it was talking over the >network a LOT! There were posts on several boards about how it was >continually sending encrypted packets back to the Lindows main server, and >nobody knew what it was doing. Didn't waste time trying to figure it out; I >just yanked it... > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Travis R. Birt" >To: >Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:23 PM >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Microtel PC's...anyone have any experience with >them? > > > > >>Why wipe Lindows off? It is a fine OS depending on your needs. >>Travis >> >>James Miller wrote: >> >> >> >>> We have two of them, and we love them. Good price, no problems with >>>running almost any OS we put on them. Just wipe the Lindows that comes >>>installed on it... >>> >>>James >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Paul M Foster" >>>To: >>>Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:44 AM >>>Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Microtel PC's...anyone have any experience with >>>them? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 04:42:59PM -0500, Meyer, David R (FL) wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hello, >>>>> >>>>>I'm just buying my first PC from Walmart.com (couldn't resist the >>>>> >>>>> >price) > > >>>>>and am wondering if anyone has hand any experience with them? Are they >>>>>well made, etc.? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>I bought a Lindows one from Walmart some time ago, and wrote a review >>>>for some of my wife's cohorts that Robin also ran at Newsforge. I wiped >>>>Lindows and installed Debian. Runs fine, no problems per se. >>>> >>>>There are a couple of cautions. First, it was a Mini-ITX form factor. >>>>That means it's got a teeny fan and very small power supply. Only one >>>>expansion slot, which has a WinModem in it. No adding of components to >>>>_this_ system. Second thing is that pretty much everything is embedded >>>>on the motherboard, including the sound and video. The video uses what >>>>I'm told is a crappy chipset, the Trident Cyberblade i/1. There's >>>>support for it under Linux, but it's still not a great chipset. I've had >>>>no problems with it. >>>> >>>>Paul >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>>>Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 1 18:36:00 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i11Na0gv008499 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:36:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i11Na0lu008498 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:36:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i11NZxgv008494 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:35:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i11NZwT9007422 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:35:58 -0500 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i11NZY2r022775 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:35:35 -0500 Received: from MARS (119-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.119]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 36173881BF1 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 15:35:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete S." To: Subject: [SLUG] SCO What? Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:35:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <401D7606.7050409@databasepro.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.2, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_30 -0.93, IN_REP_TO -0.37, MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE -0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Looks like it is down for the count... www.sco.com (as well as www.caldera.com) Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 1 20:07:57 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1217ugv009172 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:07:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1217uGc009171 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:07:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1217ugv009167 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:07:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1217oT7010181 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:07:55 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1217e88003789 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:07:40 -0500 Received: from blackgold (6535219hfc162.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.219.162]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i1217dGW015468 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:07:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000701c3e929$39e2c640$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> From: "bpreece1" To: Subject: [SLUG] Superbowl IBM Linux Commercial Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:09:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.3, required 7, AWL 0.00, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Looks like IBM is really pushing even harder Nice Linux Commercial tonight during the game showing Muhammad Ali fighting scenes and talking to the kid. Wonder if Microsoft is a bit upset over that spot......? Anyways GO BIG BLUE! Bill P. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 1 21:17:00 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i122H0gv009689 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 21:17:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i122H0YD009688 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 21:17:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i122Gxgv009684 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 21:16:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i122GwT7012581 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 21:16:58 -0500 Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i122GX2r000641 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 21:16:34 -0500 Received: from webmail16.lax.untd.com (webmail16.lax.untd.com [10.130.30.156]) by smtpout03.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAB5NX6A4B9LES for (sender ); Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"eyWQ8kNuv/2AmhI+0gI0VmOOBhmgodfGyGzpXPf/nIWKDCVF/V/n+L0cUfh6JCqw">; Sun, 01 Feb 2004 18:15:18 PST Received: (from backwardthinker@juno.com) by webmail16.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JMCN7KYQ; Sun, 01 Feb 2004 18:15:18 PST Received: from [68.200.125.247] by webmail16.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 02:14:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.200.125.247] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Backward Thinker" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 02:14:41 GMT To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Laptop memory wanted X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Backward Thinker Message-Id: <20040201.181518.3565.211024@webmail16.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:2:3379926809 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.5, required 7, BAYES_30 -0.93, FORGED_JUNO_RCVD 2.80, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Does anyone have any 128 m EDO ram they'd be willing to part with for You mean like 2x64MB or really 2x128MB? ~ Daniel ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 1 22:51:55 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i123ptgv010399 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:51:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i123ptBg010398 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:51:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i123psgv010394 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:51:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i123psT7015738 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:51:54 -0500 Received: from hosting40.hispeedhosting.com ([64.106.241.21]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i123pT2r006993 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:51:43 -0500 Received: from stan (tamqfl1-ar9-4-63-015-230.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net [4.63.15.230]) by [66.70.4.58] (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id i123pOu02762 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:51:24 -0500 Message-ID: <001601c3e876$ed013490$6901a8c0@stan> From: "James Miller" To: References: <20040130234431.GA3779@quillandmouse.com> <000a01c3e6d5$4b55e9d0$6901a8c0@stan> <401BD683.9020707@databasepro.net> <001f01c3e7ae$93fd6990$6901a8c0@stan> <401D7606.7050409@databasepro.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Microtel PC's...anyone have any experience with them? Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 09:53:16 +0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.5, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ah... Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis R. Birt" To: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Microtel PC's...anyone have any experience with them? > Lindows only talks to the Server if you run the CNR app. If you do not > belong to the CNR Warehouse, you obviously do not > need to run the CNR app. So you just disable that, and it will stop > talking to the server. You can stop CNR from auto starting > every time just by following these easy steps. > > 1. Look in /usr/share/autostart for clicknrun.desktop. > 2. Move file to a backup location > 3. Click and Run will not autostart anymore. > > Hope this helps you to better understand, and therefore less likely to > slam my current Favorite OS. Thanks! > Travis > > James Miller wrote: > > > It ran fine, and had lots of pretty toys, but it was talking over the > >network a LOT! There were posts on several boards about how it was > >continually sending encrypted packets back to the Lindows main server, and > >nobody knew what it was doing. Didn't waste time trying to figure it out; I > >just yanked it... > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Travis R. Birt" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:23 PM > >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Microtel PC's...anyone have any experience with > >them? > > > > > > > > > >>Why wipe Lindows off? It is a fine OS depending on your needs. > >>Travis > >> > >>James Miller wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> We have two of them, and we love them. Good price, no problems with > >>>running almost any OS we put on them. Just wipe the Lindows that comes > >>>installed on it... > >>> > >>>James > >>> > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Paul M Foster" > >>>To: > >>>Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:44 AM > >>>Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cheap Microtel PC's...anyone have any experience with > >>>them? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 04:42:59PM -0500, Meyer, David R (FL) wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Hello, > >>>>> > >>>>>I'm just buying my first PC from Walmart.com (couldn't resist the > >>>>> > >>>>> > >price) > > > > > >>>>>and am wondering if anyone has hand any experience with them? Are they > >>>>>well made, etc.? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>I bought a Lindows one from Walmart some time ago, and wrote a review > >>>>for some of my wife's cohorts that Robin also ran at Newsforge. I wiped > >>>>Lindows and installed Debian. Runs fine, no problems per se. > >>>> > >>>>There are a couple of cautions. First, it was a Mini-ITX form factor. > >>>>That means it's got a teeny fan and very small power supply. Only one > >>>>expansion slot, which has a WinModem in it. No adding of components to > >>>>_this_ system. Second thing is that pretty much everything is embedded > >>>>on the motherboard, including the sound and video. The video uses what > >>>>I'm told is a crappy chipset, the Trident Cyberblade i/1. There's > >>>>support for it under Linux, but it's still not a great chipset. I've had > >>>>no problems with it. > >>>> > >>>>Paul > >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > >>>>Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 1 22:59:26 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i123xQgv010449 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:59:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i123xQJ5010448 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:59:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i123xPgv010444 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:59:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i123xPT9015978 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:59:25 -0500 Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i123xJ2r007526 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:59:19 -0500 Received: from 6535219hfc162.tampabay.rr.com ([65.35.219.162] helo=blackgold) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AnVF1-0005if-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:59:19 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01c3e941$35996fe0$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> From: "savatage" To: References: <200401302301.36130.bill13510@wwnet.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Laptop memory wanted Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:01:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-ELNK-Trace: 44b05ea7a2d5b6629c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d1a32013460f1c964ee828b5aa23bf250350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.9, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_30 -0.93, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR 0.68, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Is the MAC a early G3 or Power PC ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Canaday" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:01 PM Subject: [SLUG] Laptop memory wanted > Does anyone have any 128 m EDO ram they'd be willing to part with for less > than a kings ransom? This is for a dog-slow Dell Latitude CP M233ST. There > isn't much I can do about the CPU, but there's room to boost the ram. > > Either all cash, cash / swap or all swap (I have an older Macintosh I am > willing to trade for the ram "even up". The Mac works, but I have no use for > it.) For a long distance swap (I am not about to ship the Mac) I have 2 x 64m > chips and a 3g laptop HD to offer. All guaranteed to have been in working > condition at time of pull and treated gently ever since. > > If interested, please contact me off-list at > bill13510(squiggly a)wwnet(dot)net > > Bill > -- > 22:48:56 up 24 days, 23:30, 4 users, load average: 0.50, 0.54, 0.35 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 1 23:56:35 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i124uZgv010900 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:56:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i124uZXx010899 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:56:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i124uYgv010895 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:56:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i124uYT7017834 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:56:34 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i124uP88019362 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:56:25 -0500 Received: (qmail 30183 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 04:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 04:56:10 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Laptop memory wanted Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:56:10 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20040201.181518.3565.211024@webmail16.lax.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20040201.181518.3565.211024@webmail16.lax.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402012356.10405.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-6, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.64, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_KMAIL -0.47) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 01 February 2004 09:14 pm, you wrote: > > Does anyone have any 128 m EDO ram they'd be willing to part with for > > You mean like 2x64MB or really 2x128MB? > > ~ Daniel 2x128M (total 256M) -- 23:55:32 up 27 days, 37 min, 3 users, load average: 0.08, 0.24, 0.25 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 2 00:09:46 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1259kgv011006 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:09:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1259khD011005 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:09:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1259jgv011001 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:09:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1259jTB018467 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:09:45 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1259a88020860 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:09:36 -0500 Received: (qmail 30742 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 05:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 05:09:36 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Laptop memory wanted Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:09:35 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <200401302301.36130.bill13510@wwnet.net> <000d01c3e941$35996fe0$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <000d01c3e941$35996fe0$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402020009.35505.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.9, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.64, IN_REP_TO -0.37, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_KMAIL -0.47) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 01 February 2004 11:01 pm, you wrote: > Is the MAC a early G3 or Power PC ? > > I'll have to check. For the record, the Mac would have to be picked up in Detroit. -- 00:08:37 up 27 days, 50 min, 3 users, load average: 0.19, 0.18, 0.18 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 2 00:36:52 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i125aqgv011226 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:36:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i125alAv011225 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:36:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i125akgv011221 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:36:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i125akT7019543 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:36:46 -0500 Received: from virt14o.secure-wi.com (virt14o.secure-wi.com [209.216.203.4]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i125ac2r015038 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:36:39 -0500 Received: from HPPAVILION503W (2416459hfc41.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.59.41]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by virt14o.secure-wi.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i125abA11259 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 21:36:37 -0800 Message-Id: <200402020536.i125abA11259@virt14o.secure-wi.com> From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] SCO What? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:36:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcPpHgDnxtkOXPL6QSS6POc7o4jP3AAMHH/g X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.2, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK 2.17, IN_REP_TO -0.37, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME 0.00, MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3 0.90, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yes, according to CNN SCO took their web servers completely offline after spending a few hours trying to fight the virus' DOS attack. Steven W. Buehler | steven@sanctuaryweb.org Web Site: http://www.sanctuaryweb.org | http://renaitre.iuma.com AOL I/M: StevenBuehlerFL | MSN: StevenWBuehler@msn.com | Yahoo! swbuehler Current Schedule: http://calendar.sanctuaryweb.org -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Pete S. Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 6:36 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] SCO What? Looks like it is down for the count... www.sco.com (as well as www.caldera.com) Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 2 01:25:44 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i126Phgv011593 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 01:25:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i126PhcS011590 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 01:25:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i126PYgv011582 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 01:25:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i126PTT7021344 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 01:25:29 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i126PN88026830 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 01:25:23 -0500 Received: (qmail 4647 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 06:25:22 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 06:25:22 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AnXVo-0006gF-00; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 01:24:48 -0500 To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: From: Paul M Foster Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 01:24:48 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.1, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_20 -2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.84) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* BRANDON ************************************************** 5 February 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 7 February 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 11 February 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) Student Services Bldg, Room 108 (note change of room) (to the northeast of the Technology Bldg) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 18 February 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Wednesday of each month) Honeywell 8323 Lindbergh Court Sarasota, FL See http://www.bish.net/directions/ ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 23 February 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) St Petersburg Public Library, Main Branch Auditorium 3745 Ninth Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33713 727-893-7724 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 6 March 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library, 223 Douglas Ave., Community Room B. Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 2 11:40:09 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12Ge9gv016494 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:40:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i12Ge9QV016493 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:40:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12Ge8gv016489 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:40:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12Ge7TB010638 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:40:08 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i12Gdl88006625 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:39:47 -0500 Received: from midgard.mineshaftgap.org (242-97.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.97.242]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i12Gdj2i017798 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:39:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=spectre) by midgard.mineshaftgap.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Anh6w-0000eE-00 for ; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 11:39:46 -0500 Message-ID: <00d301c3e9ab$28ed5df0$cb0e030a@ut.edu> From: To: Subject: [SLUG] non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:39:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=4, required 7, BAYES_30 -0.93, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 2.70, NO_REAL_NAME 1.15, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ssss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net anyone else having problems connecting to either non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org? i haven't seen any news regarding either being down or DDOS'ed thor thor_consulting@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/thor_consulting/ ..............................................registered linux user 88751 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 2 12:15:11 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12HFBgv016745 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:15:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i12HFAgf016744 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:15:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12HFAgv016740 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:15:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12HF9lP012036 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:15:10 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (236-42.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.42.236]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i12HEj88009492 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:14:57 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bard.sytes.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 86ACC718C0 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:24:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from 129.41.55.200 (SquirrelMail authenticated user levi) by bard.sytes.net with HTTP; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:24:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <10246.129.41.55.200.1075742692.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <00d301c3e9ab$28ed5df0$cb0e030a@ut.edu> References: <00d301c3e9ab$28ed5df0$cb0e030a@ut.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:24:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.7, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, IN_REP_TO -0.37, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.44, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > anyone else having problems connecting to either non-us.debian.org and > security.debian.org? I wasn't able to reach either one all weekend. I haven't seen any news, either. Levi -- You always know the creative because it is revealed openly. Concealment betrays the existence of another force entirely. --Leto II ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 2 12:45:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12HjAgv016987 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:45:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i12HjAZt016986 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:45:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12Hj3gv016977 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:45:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12HisSP013170 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:44:54 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i12Hie2r003384 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:44:44 -0500 Received: from midgard.mineshaftgap.org (242-97.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.97.242]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i12HibG0007976 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=spectre) by midgard.mineshaftgap.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ani7j-0000z4-00 for ; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 12:44:39 -0500 Message-ID: <010001c3e9b4$3964d380$cb0e030a@ut.edu> From: To: References: <00d301c3e9ab$28ed5df0$cb0e030a@ut.edu> Subject: Re: [SLUG] non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:44:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_20 -2.60, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 2.70, NO_REAL_NAME 1.15, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Schulze" To: "Debian News Channel" Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:54 Subject: Security Host Downtime > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Debian Project http://www.debian.org/ > Security Host Downtime press@debian.org > February 2nd, 2004 http://www.debian.org/News/2004/20040202 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Security Host Downtime > > Yesterday around 15:00 UTC we the host klecker.debian.org crashed. > Unfortunately, it didn't react on the serial console and to a remotely > issued power-cycle. > > > The following services are affected by this downtime: > > security.debian.org > > The public security archive. As a temporary solution, please > switch to instead. > > nonus.debian.org > > The public non-US archive. As a temporary solution, please > switch to instead. > > search.debian.org > > The public search facility for the Debian website. > > qa.debian.org > > The public resources of the quality assurance (QA) team. > > nm.debian.org > > The public resources for new-maintainership organising. > > www-master.debian.org > > The internal master website. This means that no updates to the > public webserver are possible until klecker is restored. > > > Our site admin will have physical access to the machine in the > colocation facility about noon tomorrow (February 3rd). We hope that > the machine can be revived and that the affected services will be back > at the afternoon. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-news-request@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 2 16:12:29 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12LCSgv018531 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:12:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i12LCSDm018530 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:12:28 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12LCSgv018526 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:12:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12LCRST020248 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:12:27 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (236-42.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.42.236]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i12LBl2r017788 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:12:07 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bard.sytes.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 126E4718C0 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 129.41.55.200 (SquirrelMail authenticated user levi) by bard.sytes.net with HTTP; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:21:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <17688.129.41.55.200.1075756912.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <010001c3e9b4$3964d380$cb0e030a@ut.edu> References: <00d301c3e9ab$28ed5df0$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <010001c3e9b4$3964d380$cb0e030a@ut.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:21:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.7, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_20 -2.60, IN_REP_TO -0.37, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.44, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> Yesterday around 15:00 UTC we the host klecker.debian.org crashed. >> Unfortunately, it didn't react on the serial console and to a remotely >> issued power-cycle. Would have been nice if this story was linked from debian.org/News - thanks! Levi -- You always know the creative because it is revealed openly. Concealment betrays the existence of another force entirely. --Leto II ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 2 16:52:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12LqAgv018836 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:52:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i12LqAL3018835 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:52:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12Lq4gv018831 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:52:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12LpxSR021607 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:52:04 -0500 Received: from spf13.us4.outblaze.com (spf13.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i12Lpr2r020623 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:51:57 -0500 Received: from wspf1.us4.outblaze.com (wspf1.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.146]) by spf13.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id BEC5C180124C for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 21:51:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 18746 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2004 21:51:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.156) by wspf1.us4.outblaze.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2004 21:51:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 14061 invoked by uid 1001); 2 Feb 2004 21:51:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20040202215149.14060.qmail@linuxmail.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [192.216.156.186] by ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com with http for lnxbrzr1@linuxmail.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 05:51:49 +0800 From: "david tomlinson" To: slug@nks.net Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 05:51:49 +0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org X-Originating-Ip: 192.216.156.186 X-Originating-Server: ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.2, required 7, BAYES_20 -2.60, MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2 0.79, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:39:42 -0500 To: Subject: [SLUG] non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org > anyone else having problems connecting to either non-us.debian.org and > security.debian.org? > > i haven't seen any news regarding either being down or DDOS'ed > > thor > > > thor_consulting@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/thor_consulting/ > > ..............................................registered linux user 88751 > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 2 17:06:23 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12M6Ngv018941 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:06:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i12M6MvE018940 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:06:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12M6Mgv018936 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:06:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i12M6MSP022098 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:06:22 -0500 Received: from vandemar.local ([208.26.45.251]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i12M6E2r021779 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:06:15 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vandemar.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72712D15D0 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:06:14 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <17688.129.41.55.200.1075756912.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> References: <00d301c3e9ab$28ed5df0$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <010001c3e9b4$3964d380$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <17688.129.41.55.200.1075756912.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <04235F52-55CC-11D8-B85B-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Derek Glidden Subject: [SLUG] Linux distros; was: non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:06:13 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.7, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Feb 2, 2004, at 4:21 PM, Levi Bard wrote: >>> Yesterday around 15:00 UTC we the host klecker.debian.org crashed. >>> Unfortunately, it didn't react on the serial console and to a >>> remotely >>> issued power-cycle. > > Would have been nice if this story was linked from debian.org/News - > thanks! > IMHO, Debian has been getting really sloppy lately. I have seen them take days or even weeks to issue updates to some pretty serious recent flaws (some of the recent sendmail problems in particular) and things like this deal with their website/server going down and just not mentioning it to anyone. It seems to me that lately the linux distro "community" has been taking some pretty big blows. RedHat and SuSE have gone strictly "big time" commercial and I've heard any number of people complaining about the teething problems the Fedora spinoff has been having (I don't use it myself), Debian IMO has really been slipping on the QA and in keeping anything even vaguely close to current (and no, I don't consider "run 'unstable' on your production box a viable answer to that), who knows if Mandrake will still be around even two weeks from now with the number of bizarre financial reports I've seen from them the last few months... Lindows, well, despite their meager success I still can't bring myself to count them as anything but a marketing ploy. On the flip side, gentoo is getting more popular (and whatever happened with the whole "zynot" thing?) and I've seen a couple newer distros coming around that seem to be making a pretty sincere effort at taking over some of the linux market. (Can't think of the names at the moment.) But it still seems to be that the linux distro marketplace has pretty much fragmented into "you're dumb" a-la Lindows and Xandros, "if you don't have a buttload of money, go away" a-la RedHat and SuSe, and "if you're not a geek, don't try it" a-la Debian and Gentoo and Slackware. I will happily admit: I got my hands on a new Apple 15" Powerbook about three/four months ago and so far, I'm really enjoying it. I've been using it a lot lately and I guess I've taken a few steps back from my "hardcore linux" outlook and it's refreshing to have a UNIX-based system where everything pretty much really does "just work" even if you do "have to" do it "the apple way" which considering the options, isn't all that bad. (They do have some good UI people in Cupertino...) I only hope the various linux factions can get their acts together because frankly, the future isn't looking so bright to me now. Compared to two or three years ago where this same fragmentation just looked like good competition, now it just looks like everyone really can't figure out what they're trying to accomplish. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "We all enter this world in the | Support Electronic Freedom same way: naked; screaming; soaked | http://www.eff.org/ in blood. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 3 01:16:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i136GAgv022563 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 01:16:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i136GADZ022562 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 01:16:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i136G9gv022558 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 01:16:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i136G8SV005476 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 01:16:09 -0500 Received: from nolab.conman.org (user72.209.42.38.dsli.com [209.42.38.72] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i136Fx88030296 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 01:16:00 -0500 Received: by nolab.conman.org (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 0E683F9A; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 01:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nolab.conman.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4741782 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 01:15:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 01:15:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew M. Hoerter" X-X-Sender: amh@kwalitee.nolab.conman.org To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distros; was: non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org In-Reply-To: <04235F52-55CC-11D8-B85B-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> Message-ID: References: <00d301c3e9ab$28ed5df0$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <010001c3e9b4$3964d380$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <17688.129.41.55.200.1075756912.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> <04235F52-55CC-11D8-B85B-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.9, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_PINE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Derek Glidden wrote: > On the flip side, gentoo is getting more popular Gentoo seems to work well enough, although I'm not sure the "compile everything from source" approach is all that great an idea. The optimizations gained by using PPro/PII/PIII-specific code generation flags are negligible at best, and there are still perfectly good machines out there with slow enough processors that compiling the whole system might take days. Seems like a solution looking for a problem, when binary packages are perfectly useable. I'm no Gentoo expert, perhaps there are workarounds and alternative methods of installation, etc. > I will happily admit: I got my hands on a new Apple 15" Powerbook about > three/four months ago and so far, I'm really enjoying it. 12" PB G4 here -- OS X is the best desktop environment I've used since, well, the older releases of MacOS. ;) And now that they've adopted the guts of NeXTSTEP it's a tough combination to beat. I still do some work in X11 on my SPARCstation, but for the most part the Mac is my daily workstation. > [...] it's refreshing to have a UNIX-based system where everything > pretty much really does "just work" even if you do "have to" do it "the > apple way" which considering the options, isn't all that bad. Actually, you'd be surprised how much functionality provided by the GUI tools is also exposed through the CLI. Software Update, for example. Apple certainly doesn't go out of their way to tell you about that stuff, and the manpages are scanty or nonexistent, but if you poke around and/or ask the right folks, there's a lot going on behind the scenes you can twiddle with yourself. And then there's AppleScript, which gives you direct access to an IPC mechanism used by applications to do all sorts of things (AppleScript and Apple Events are carryovers from older versions of MacOS, dating back at least a few years). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 3 07:35:48 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i13CZlgv025544 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:35:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i13CZlx1025543 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:35:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i13CZfgv025538 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:35:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i13CZfSP020444 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:35:41 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i13CZV88027027 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:35:31 -0500 Received: from 192.168.2.160 (24285hfc156.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.156]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i13CZPbE020551 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:35:25 -0500 (EST) From: "R.G. Mayhue" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distros; was: non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:34:34 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <00d301c3e9ab$28ed5df0$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <04235F52-55CC-11D8-B85B-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402030734.34916.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 03 February 2004 01:15 am, Andrew M. Hoerter wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Derek Glidden wrote: > > On the flip side, gentoo is getting more popular > > Gentoo seems to work well enough, although I'm not sure the "compile > everything from source" approach is all that great an idea. The > optimizations gained by using PPro/PII/PIII-specific code generation flags > are negligible at best, and there are still perfectly good machines out That may have been true with =gcc-3.2 has much better optimizations now and you are not just limited to Pentium optimizations. DISCLAIMER: The following is provided for informational purposes only and not intended to start a flame war on weather the use of compiler optimizations are worth it or not. These are the choices - athlon-xp, athlon-mp, athlon-4, athlon-tbird, athlon, k6, k6-2, k6-3, i386, i486, i586 (Pentium), i686, (PentiumPro), pentium, pentium-mmx, pentiumpro, pentium2 (Celeron), pentium3 and pentium4. > there with slow enough processors that compiling the whole system might > take days. Seems like a solution looking for a problem, when binary > packages are perfectly useable. Portage (the Gentoo package manager) allows for the installation of binary packages. The Gentoo install CD's also have precompiled packages and there will be mirrors of Gentoo binary packages available for people who either don't want to compile or have a slower machine but you have to accept the default USE flags. The USE flags control how various packages are built. See http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/use-howto.xml for more info on USE flags. > I'm no Gentoo expert, perhaps there are workarounds and alternative > methods of installation, etc. IMHO Portage and the USE flags mentioned above are what really make Gentoo attractive and thus its growing popularity. The community surrounding Gentoo is also a big factor. Gentoo is definitely not for everyone thats for sure. The installation is either to hard and complex or very flexable depending on your skill level and your what you intend to use it for. I have been a Gentoo user and fan for several years now and although its far from perfect it is *my* solution for many things. -- Rob P.S. - Nice to see that Derek is back to "ranting" again. For a while there I thought we lost ya! :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 3 13:53:29 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i13IrNgv028297 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:53:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i13IrNEG028296 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:53:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i13IrHgv028292 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:53:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i13IrHSR000775 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:53:17 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (236-42.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.42.236]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i13IrA2r011307 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:53:11 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bard.sytes.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 34B5B718C0 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:03:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from 129.41.55.200 (SquirrelMail authenticated user levi) by bard.sytes.net with HTTP; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:03:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <28250.129.41.55.200.1075835017.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <04235F52-55CC-11D8-B85B-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> References: <00d301c3e9ab$28ed5df0$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <010001c3e9b4$3964d380$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <17688.129.41.55.200.1075756912.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> <04235F52-55CC-11D8-B85B-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:03:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distros; was: non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.7, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, IN_REP_TO -0.37, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.44, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > IMHO, Debian has been getting really sloppy lately. I have seen them > take days or even weeks to issue updates to some pretty serious recent > flaws (some of the recent sendmail problems in particular) and things > like this deal with their website/server going down and just not > mentioning it to anyone. IMO it's because the developers/maintainers are getting too busy or moving to other projects, and there's nobody to replace them due to the way the "become a debian developer" process works. (or doesn't work). Levi ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 3 13:50:52 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i13Ioqgv028276 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:50:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i13IoqhM028275 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:50:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i13Iobgv028271 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:50:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i13IoaSP000722 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:50:36 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (236-42.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.42.236]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i13IoL2r011199 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:50:26 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bard.sytes.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 86B62718C0 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from 129.41.55.200 (SquirrelMail authenticated user levi) by bard.sytes.net with HTTP; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:00:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <39607.129.41.55.200.1075834846.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <200402030734.34916.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> References: <00d301c3e9ab$28ed5df0$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <04235F52-55CC-11D8-B85B-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> <200402030734.34916.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:00:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distros; was: non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.7, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_20 -2.60, IN_REP_TO -0.37, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.44, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > That may have been true with =gcc-3.2 has much better > optimizations now and you are not just limited to Pentium optimizations. > > DISCLAIMER: The following is provided for informational purposes only and > not > intended to start a flame war on weather the use of compiler optimizations > are worth it or not. > > These are the choices - athlon-xp, athlon-mp, athlon-4, athlon-tbird, > athlon, > k6, k6-2, k6-3, i386, i486, i586 (Pentium), i686, (PentiumPro), pentium, > pentium-mmx, pentiumpro, pentium2 (Celeron), pentium3 and pentium4. This may be true, but the gcc3 series still produces much slower code than gcc 2.95, optimizations not withstanding. At least with respect to MPlayer. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 3 18:28:33 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i13NSWgv030340 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:28:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i13NSWtG030339 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:28:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i13NSWgv030335 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:28:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i13NSVSP010143 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:28:31 -0500 Received: from lion.glypto.com (lion.glypto.com [209.120.224.16]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i13NSL88006596 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:28:21 -0500 Received: from [24.161.255.104] (helo=192.168.0.2) by lion.glypto.com with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.24) id 1Ao9xn-0005Dn-Bo for slug@nks.net; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 17:28:15 -0600 From: Kevin Poorman To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distros; was: non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:30:26 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <00d301c3e9ab$28ed5df0$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <04235F52-55CC-11D8-B85B-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> <28250.129.41.55.200.1075835017.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <28250.129.41.55.200.1075835017.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402031830.26457.asympoticessence@yahoo.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - lion.glypto.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.2, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 2.70, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, SUBJ_HAS_SPACES 3.53, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 03 February 2004 14:03, Levi Bard wrote: > > IMHO, Debian has been getting really sloppy lately. I have seen them > > take days or even weeks to issue updates to some pretty serious recent > > flaws (some of the recent sendmail problems in particular) and things > > like this deal with their website/server going down and just not > > mentioning it to anyone. > > IMO it's because the developers/maintainers are getting too busy or moving > to other projects, and there's nobody to replace them due to the way the > "become a debian developer" process works. (or doesn't work). I can't resist pointing out here that the "not mention it to anyone" anyone on the #debian irc channels knew almost immediately. The Problem isn't with the developers, it's with the FTP admins (of which we need more of.) -Pkj ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 3 19:08:26 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1408Qgv030647 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:08:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1408POD030646 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:08:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1408Pgv030642 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:08:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1408OSR011389 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:08:25 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1408L88009181 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:08:21 -0500 Received: (qmail 28634 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 00:08:20 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 00:08:20 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AoAa3-0003yl-00 for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:07:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:07:43 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distros; was: non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org Message-ID: <20040204000743.GB15236@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <00d301c3e9ab$28ed5df0$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <010001c3e9b4$3964d380$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <17688.129.41.55.200.1075756912.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> <04235F52-55CC-11D8-B85B-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> <28250.129.41.55.200.1075835017.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <28250.129.41.55.200.1075835017.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.5, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.84, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MUTT -2.80) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 02:03:37PM -0500, Levi Bard wrote: > > IMHO, Debian has been getting really sloppy lately. I have seen them > > take days or even weeks to issue updates to some pretty serious recent > > flaws (some of the recent sendmail problems in particular) and things > > like this deal with their website/server going down and just not > > mentioning it to anyone. > > IMO it's because the developers/maintainers are getting too busy or moving > to other projects, and there's nobody to replace them due to the way the > "become a debian developer" process works. (or doesn't work). I know I shouldn't contribute to this, but I will anyway. ;-} I, too, am dismayed by the whole l33t debian-developer clique. There are almost constant threads on the debian lists about whether they should get rid of this or that package or archive because it doesn't conform to the Debian guidelines. Latest example I recall is the RFCs. They're documentation, but somehow the Debianistas think that they should adhere to the Debian Free _Software_ Guidelines. The problem is that you can't just alter RFCs and pass the modified versions around, naturally. But this happens to violate the rules for Debian's Free _Software_ Guidelines. I've bitched to Debian about it, and had people whine back at me. I guess I just don't "get it"(tm). Moreover, KDE and its ilk have been absent from both testing and unstable for months now, along with other critical packages. Funny thing is, guys like the Mepis guy have a working version of KDE3 in a distro based on Debian. (You can probably get ports of things like this from backports.org or apt-get.org, but why go all over to download critical packages?) And of course, it takes years to get out a new Debian release. The release manager has bitched at the packagers, but I don't know how much good it's done. I have to say that I think that Debian's bureaucracy and surfeit of rules makes the whole process way too lengthy and cumbersome. The main reason for my using Debian is that no other mainstream distro I know of is so easy to upgrade. Red Hat, SuSE and others have always built their distros like you're supposed to reinstall when the next version comes out, or pay them money for it. Debian's a refreshing change from that-- you can just tell it to update/upgrade and you're done. The problem is that when you go to do that, if something like KDE has been removed from the distro for some reason, guess what? It takes it off your machine. Yikes! I'm looking at alternatives like Mepis. I'd rather not compile everything from scratch, as I have a life (no offense intended to those who prefer this; I just don't have the time). I have to agree with Derek and Levi. But I'm a very long way from going Mac. Sorry for the rant. Levi struck a nerve, so it's his fault. ;-} Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 3 20:35:32 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i141ZWgv031318 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:35:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i141ZW0t031317 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:35:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i141ZVgv031313 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:35:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i141ZVSP014117 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:35:31 -0500 Received: from mail15b.boca15-verio.com (mail15b.boca15-verio.com [207.201.145.91]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i141ZJ88014602 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:35:19 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (207.158.250.86) by mail15b.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.90vs) with SMTP id 4-0718948514 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:35:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <40204BD4.3040406@roblimo.com> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:33:08 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031119 Debian/1.4.0.x.1-20 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distros; was: non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org References: <00d301c3e9ab$28ed5df0$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <010001c3e9b4$3964d380$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <17688.129.41.55.200.1075756912.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> <04235F52-55CC-11D8-B85B-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> <28250.129.41.55.200.1075835017.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> <20040204000743.GB15236@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20040204000743.GB15236@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.6, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > The main reason for my using Debian is that no other mainstream distro I > know of is so easy to upgrade. Red Hat, SuSE and others have always > built their distros like you're supposed to reinstall when the next > version comes out, or pay them money for it. Debian's a refreshing > change from that-- you can just tell it to update/upgrade and you're > done. The problem is that when you go to do that, if something like KDE > has been removed from the distro for some reason, guess what? It takes > it off your machine. Yikes! In one paragraph you caught: a) The reason Warren Woodson based Mepis on Debian b) The reason he's setting up a private (optional) apt server I, too, was always impressed with the Debian package system, but unimpressed with the install and admin tools, and totally DEpressed by Debian politics. Xandros has done a decent job of making the base Debian distribution usable by mortals -- and of adding un-Debian (even *GASP* commercial) components so that a user's computing and Internet experiences are as complete as anyone else's. Mepis doesn't have a hookup with CrossOver, and it doesn't have quite as much visual glamor as Xandros, but I find it more functional and reliable -- and at its current rate of development it's likely to pass Xandros by the end of the year, at least in desktop usability and "fit and finish." So I'm using Mepis, even writing a book centered on it to be published this fall by either IDG or Addison Wesley, depending on which one wins the bidding war... - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 3 20:57:54 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i141vsgv031484 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:57:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i141vsGf031483 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:57:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i141vrgv031479 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:57:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i141vrSP014824 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:57:53 -0500 Received: from virt14o.secure-wi.com (virt14o.secure-wi.com [209.216.203.4]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i141va2r006954 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:57:36 -0500 Received: from 192.168.1.100 (2416459hfc41.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.59.41]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by virt14o.secure-wi.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i141vZJ05797 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:57:35 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distros; was: non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org From: Steven Buehler To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <40204BD4.3040406@roblimo.com> References: <00d301c3e9ab$28ed5df0$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <010001c3e9b4$3964d380$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <17688.129.41.55.200.1075756912.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> <04235F52-55CC-11D8-B85B-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> <28250.129.41.55.200.1075835017.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> <20040204000743.GB15236@quillandmouse.com> <40204BD4.3040406@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1075859854.3423.5.camel@virt14o.secure-wi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4-8mdk Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:57:35 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.7, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_XIMIAN -2.71) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 20:33, Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > > The main reason for my using Debian is that no other mainstream distro I > > know of is so easy to upgrade. Red Hat, SuSE and others have always > > built their distros like you're supposed to reinstall when the next > > version comes out, or pay them money for it. Debian's a refreshing > > change from that-- you can just tell it to update/upgrade and you're > > done. The problem is that when you go to do that, if something like KDE > > has been removed from the distro for some reason, guess what? It takes > > it off your machine. Yikes! Folks rave over Debian's apt-get, and seem to forget that Mandrake (an RPM-based distribution) has urpmi, which works the exact same way. Heck, if you can find the 'autourpmi' script off the internet or an earlier release, you can install that, and whenever you enter a command that isn't installed, it goes out and installs it for you. SWB -- Steven Buehler ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 01:05:59 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1465xgv000852 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 01:05:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1465w7g000851 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 01:05:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1465wgv000847 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 01:05:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1465vSP023174 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 01:05:57 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1465U2r024034 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 01:05:31 -0500 Received: from pool-17.max.marlowe.net (pool-17.max.marlowe.net [64.58.217.17] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.0) id 4KUKM00 for ; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:07:36 -0500 From: Bob Stia Organization: Fully Retired Corp. To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Safe ? or not ! Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:58:43 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402032258.44503.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.5, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, PLING_QUERY 0.07, USER_AGENT_KMAIL -0.47) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers, Need advice on a procedural kind of thing. Recently upgraded some files. RPM gives me the following message after having completed the upgrade. cannot remove /usr/share/themes - directory not empty cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines - directory not empty cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk/themes - directory not empty cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.2.0/engines - directory not empty cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.2.0 - directory not empty cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk-2.0 - directory not empty cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk - directory not empty Question is can I go in and delete them manually? Afraid to do that because I am not sure whether they are needed or not and I will break something. There is an awful lot of stuff in there using a lot of space if it is not needed. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 02:18:03 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i147I2gv001392 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:18:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i147I2Qi001391 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:18:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i147I2gv001387 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:18:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i147I1SP025727 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:18:02 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i147Hu2r029138 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:17:56 -0500 Received: from pc (66-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.66]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i147Hs1d019121 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:17:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 02:17:53 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Safe ? or not ! In-Reply-To: <200402032258.44503.rnr@sanctum.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Need advice on a procedural kind of thing. > > Recently upgraded some files. RPM gives me the following message after > having completed the upgrade. > > cannot remove /usr/share/themes - directory not empty > cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines - directory not empty > cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk/themes - directory not empty > cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.2.0/engines - directory not empty > cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.2.0 - directory not empty > cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk-2.0 - directory not empty > cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk - directory not empty > > Question is can I go in and delete them manually? Afraid to do that > because I am not sure whether they are needed or not and I will break > something. There is an awful lot of stuff in there using a lot of > space if it is not needed. To test, you can move the contents of /usr/share/themes and /usr/libgtk/themes and /usr/lib/gtk-2.0 and /usr/lib/gtk temporarily (say, tar | bz2 and rm, or move to /some/location) temporarily and see if you notice some ill effect. I suspect you will, although there's probably some stuff in there left behind when you upraded a program. RPM is probably just trying to be tidy by removing directories, which will only succeed if they're empty. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Ben Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 07:05:30 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14C5Ugv003751 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 07:05:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i14C5Uxw003750 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 07:05:30 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14C5Tgv003746 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 07:05:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14C5TSR004374 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 07:05:29 -0500 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i14C5O2r018889 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 07:05:24 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955918pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.98]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20040204120523014008299ie>; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 12:05:23 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AoLlR-0001CT-00 for ; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 07:04:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distros; was: non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <20040204000743.GB15236@quillandmouse.com> References: <00d301c3e9ab$28ed5df0$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <010001c3e9b4$3964d380$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <17688.129.41.55.200.1075756912.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> <04235F52-55CC-11D8-B85B-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> <28250.129.41.55.200.1075835017.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> <20040204000743.GB15236@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-HbNuB6KlE8Y3GJ0GrdU/" Message-Id: <1075896257.15329.257.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 07:04:17 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-10.1, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.64, IN_REP_TO -0.37, PGP_SIGNATURE_2 -2.21, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_XIMIAN -2.71) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-HbNuB6KlE8Y3GJ0GrdU/ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 19:07, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 02:03:37PM -0500, Levi Bard wrote: > Moreover, KDE and its ilk have been absent from both testing and > unstable for months now, along with other critical packages. Funny thing > is, guys like the Mepis guy have a working version of KDE3 in a distro > based on Debian. (You can probably get ports of things like this from > backports.org or apt-get.org, but why go all over to download critical > packages?) And of course, it takes years to get out a new Debian > release. The release manager has bitched at the packagers, but I don't > know how much good it's done. I have to say that I think that Debian's > bureaucracy and surfeit of rules makes the whole process way too lengthy > and cumbersome. I just read this morning in the, "Debian Weekly News," about something that may interest you. It is called the "Debian Extra CD Project." It is supposed to contain the aforementioned goodies that are not in Debian stable. http://debian-extra-cd-proj.homelinux.org/ I haven't personally tried it out, but I just thought I would throw it out. The Logan --=20 06:55:01 up 28 days, 10:53, 3 users, load average: 0.05, 0.07, 0.19 Debian, give it a whirl! 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 09:55:52 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14Etqgv005037 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:55:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i14EtpYP005036 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:55:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14Etpgv005032 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:55:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14EtoSP010168 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:55:51 -0500 Received: from snoopy.tblc.org (snoopy.tblc.org [207.239.93.7]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i14Eth88006707 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:55:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snoopy.tblc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0864B171752 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from snoopy.tblc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (snoopy [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10276-03 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:55:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from tblc.org (bernie.tblc.org [207.239.93.8]) by snoopy.tblc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BEDF1698B6 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:55:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4021080E.2030902@tblc.org> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 09:56:14 -0500 From: Ben Ostrowsky Organization: Tampa Bay Library Consortium User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 MultiZilla/1.6.1.0b X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Intercepting web requests and authenticating users? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tblc.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.4, required 7, BAYES_01 -5.40, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net When I go to places that offer membership-based wireless access, any URL I try to go to will take me to the same login/signup page. How do they do that? Can I do it with Free software? I assume it has something to do with the router. Redirect everything to a proxy that checks for authentication, unless it's coming from the proxy itself (and is therefore authenticated)? Revised question: is there a not-painfully-difficult way to do this with Free software? 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 10:30:54 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14FUsgv005326 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:30:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i14FUs8Z005325 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:30:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14FUrgv005321 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:30:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14FUqSP011345 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:30:52 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i14FUg88009087 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:30:42 -0500 Received: from pc (66-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.66]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i14FUdc6017260 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:30:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:30:38 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Intercepting web requests and authenticating users? In-Reply-To: <4021080E.2030902@tblc.org> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: When I go to places that offer membership-based wireless access, any URL I > try to go to will take me to the same login/signup page. How do they do > that? If you've already signed up, then sometimes the web page stores your ID/password in a cookie. This may be insecure; I prefer to be asked each time. > Can I do it with Free software? It may be miswritten to work only with Redmondware. > Revised question: is there a not-painfully-difficult way to do this with > Free software? WINE + IE? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar And we never failed to fail / It was the easiest thing to do -- CSN ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 11:26:46 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14GQkgv005739 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:26:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i14GQjmX005738 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:26:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14GQjgv005734 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:26:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14GQjSP013136 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:26:45 -0500 Received: from vandemar.local ([208.26.45.251]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i14GQc2r003782 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:26:38 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vandemar.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3019EF393 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:26:35 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <4021080E.2030902@tblc.org> References: <4021080E.2030902@tblc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Derek Glidden Subject: Re: [SLUG] Intercepting web requests and authenticating users? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:26:35 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.7, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Feb 4, 2004, at 9:56 AM, Ben Ostrowsky wrote: > When I go to places that offer membership-based wireless access, any > URL I try to go to will take me to the same login/signup page. How do > they do that? Can I do it with Free software? > > I assume it has something to do with the router. Redirect everything > to a proxy that checks for authentication, unless it's coming from the > proxy itself (and is therefore authenticated)? > > Revised question: is there a not-painfully-difficult way to do this > with Free software? I do it all the time with Free Software. It's A Simple Matter Of Programming. (And has nothing to do with proxies or routers...) All that needs to be done at each page is check against a session variable (either through cookies or encoding it into the URL somehow) whether or not the current user has logged in. If she has, then display the page; if she hasn't, then send them to a login page. Different languages and different frameworks all have different ways of handling it, so there's no "one simple way" that's easy to explain. If you know enough PHP or Java or Python or Zope or Cold Fusion or &c. to be able to make a reasonably "interactive" web site, you should wind up knowing enough how to do this sort of thing. (Mini-rant for my fans: :) ) No simple way, that is, unless you're using MS products. In which case you go into your "Microsoft Visual Site Builder" tool and click the "Require login" and "Use sessions" buttons when you run the "Make an enterprise web site for me" wizard. Of course, you have no freakin' clue what the settings mean or how they work, and the whole thing will collapse into a flaming wreck if you try to do anything clever like try to load-balance your app on multiple servers or if you look at it kind of funny, but it keeps thousands of MS Web Developers in business year-in and year-out... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "We all enter this world in the | Support Electronic Freedom same way: naked; screaming; soaked | http://www.eff.org/ in blood. But if you live your | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ life right, that kind of thing |--------------------------- doesn't have to stop there." -- Dana Gould ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 11:33:57 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14GXugv005806 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:33:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i14GXu8n005805 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:33:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14GXpgv005801 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:33:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14GXjSP013357 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:33:45 -0500 Received: from vandemar.local ([208.26.45.251]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i14GXa2r004210 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:33:36 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vandemar.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DF5EF3A5 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:33:35 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: References: <00d301c3e9ab$28ed5df0$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <010001c3e9b4$3964d380$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <17688.129.41.55.200.1075756912.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> <04235F52-55CC-11D8-B85B-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Derek Glidden Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distros; was: non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:33:34 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.7, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_20 -2.60, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Feb 3, 2004, at 1:15 AM, Andrew M. Hoerter wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Derek Glidden wrote: > >> On the flip side, gentoo is getting more popular > > Gentoo seems to work well enough, although I'm not sure the "compile > everything from source" approach is all that great an idea. I should qualify my statement: "gentoo seems to be getting more popular among the sorts of users who previously might have run Debian." > I'm no Gentoo expert, perhaps there are workarounds and alternative > methods of installation, etc. Yeah, as others have pointed out, there are ways of doing a binary-installation of gentoo now so you don't _have_ to do the "compile everything" approach. > 12" PB G4 here -- OS X is the best desktop environment I've used since, > well, the older releases of MacOS. ;) And now that they've adopted > the > guts of NeXTSTEP it's a tough combination to beat. I still do some > work > in X11 on my SPARCstation, but for the most part the Mac is my daily > workstation. Same here. I'm using the powerbook for most things now it seems. If only there were a decent terminal program for it though. (X11 is a resource hog, iTerm is one of the ugliest pieces of software I've ever seen, Terminal.app's emulation sucks rocks...) > Actually, you'd be surprised how much functionality provided by the GUI > tools is also exposed through the CLI. Software Update, for example. Oh sure. I wasn't trying to imply you have do go through the GUI. Just that, for example, you can't replace Aqua (or whatever they want to call it) with Windowmaker. > And then there's AppleScript, which gives you direct access to an IPC > mechanism used by applications to do all sorts of things (AppleScript > and > Apple Events are carryovers from older versions of MacOS, dating back > at > least a few years). I've been seriously digging on Applescript lately. The language is hideous (please, the next person who decides they want to design a programming language that mimics "spoken english syntax" go see your doctor and ask him to up your prescription dosage...) but the functionality is really nice. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "We all enter this world in the | Support Electronic Freedom same way: naked; screaming; soaked | http://www.eff.org/ in blood. But if you live your | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ life right, that kind of thing |--------------------------- doesn't have to stop there." -- Dana Gould ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 11:34:26 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14GYKgv005817 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:34:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i14GYK5T005816 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:34:20 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14GYKgv005812 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:34:20 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14GYJSP013369 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:34:19 -0500 Received: from nks.net (icb-ws-00.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.12.9/8.12.7/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id i14GYJFt015332 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:34:19 -0500 Message-ID: <40211F0B.6090002@nks.net> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:34:19 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Intercepting web requests and authenticating users? References: <4021080E.2030902@tblc.org> In-Reply-To: <4021080E.2030902@tblc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ben Ostrowsky wrote: > When I go to places that offer membership-based wireless access, > any URL I try to go to will take me to the same login/signup page. > How do they do that? Can I do it with Free software? I assume you're talking about 802.11 wireless "hotspot" portals. There are various active/captive wireless portals available with varying methods of accomplishing what you're attempting to acheive. Here's the PersonalTelco page that covers many of them: http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/PortalSoftware The most common method is to setup an IP redirect rule when you are first given a DHCP lease, and change/remove the redirect only after you accept the AUP. This is really mere scripting with iptables rules. You might also do some DNS trickery to respond to all queries with the IP address of a local webserver. After authenticating, the nameserver would be told to give the client correct DNS responses. Some folks like DHCP trickery, which isn't all that reliable. Give the client a lease with a short timeout, which puts them in a jailed network. When they authenticate, start giving them a longer duration "good" lease on a segment that is allowed out. Still other networks prefer various VPN solutions or software agent helpers that run on the client machine to configure it to talk over their network. Most wireless portals don't filter DNS requests as they should. In fact, with a tool like nstx (http://dereference.de/nstx), you can usually tunnel IP packets over DNS to a gateway nameserver elsewhere. It's amazing how many "secure" networks this works over - and how many hotspots you no longer need to pay to use. > I assume it has something to do with the router. Redirect everything to > a proxy that checks for authentication, unless it's coming from the > proxy itself (and is therefore authenticated)? Redirecting is the key there. Unless you can get the client to change their web browser proxy settings (either zero-conf style with DHCP options, or manually), you're stuck with a transparent proxy with which you cannot challenge for authentication (due to various browser assumptions regarding non-proxied http connections). Simply put, this alone will not solve your problem. > Revised question: is there a not-painfully-difficult way to do this with > Free software? There are a few of them in the PersonalTelco list above. -- - Ian C. Blenke - Director of Service Delivery (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 11:40:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14Gefgv005892 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:40:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i14GefLP005891 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:40:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14Geegv005887 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:40:40 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14GeeSP013583 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:40:40 -0500 Received: from nks.net (icb-ws-00.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.12.9/8.12.7/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id i14GeeFt015400 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:40:40 -0500 Message-ID: <40212087.9010903@nks.net> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:40:39 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Safe ? or not ! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: >>Recently upgraded some files. RPM gives me the following message after >>having completed the upgrade. >> >>cannot remove /usr/share/themes - directory not empty >>cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines - directory not empty >>cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk/themes - directory not empty >>cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.2.0/engines - directory not empty >>cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.2.0 - directory not empty >>cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk-2.0 - directory not empty >>cannot remove /usr/lib/gtk - directory not empty >> >>Question is can I go in and delete them manually? Afraid to do that >>because I am not sure whether they are needed or not and I will break >>something. There is an awful lot of stuff in there using a lot of >>space if it is not needed. > > > To test, you can move the contents of /usr/share/themes and > /usr/libgtk/themes and /usr/lib/gtk-2.0 and /usr/lib/gtk temporarily (say, > tar | bz2 and rm, or move to /some/location) temporarily and see if you > notice some ill effect. I suspect you will, although there's probably > some stuff in there left behind when you upraded a program. > > RPM is probably just trying to be tidy by removing directories, which will > only succeed if they're empty. It's merely a warning, not an error. The upgrade script for whatever RPM you are installing is merely checking to see if those directories are empty so that it might clean up after itself. There are almost definitely OTHER packages installed that do have files in those directories - you do NOT want to remove them if you want those other packages to function properly. Usually, the package dependencies will work this kind of thing out. The package the creates the basis of a directory for other packages to use would ideally be the last package to remove, thus removing the directory along the way. Unfortunately, not all package dependencies are correct: you likely have some packages that do not have the package in question listed as a dependency, which will probably mean those packages will not function correctly even if you do leave the files behind. -- - Ian C. Blenke - Director of Service Delivery (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 11:52:09 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14Gq9gv005991 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:52:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i14Gq8Hi005990 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:52:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14Gq8gv005986 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:52:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14Gq7SR013953 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:52:07 -0500 Received: from snoopy.tblc.org (snoopy.tblc.org [207.239.93.7]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i14Gpt88014245 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:51:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snoopy.tblc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F83417471F for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from snoopy.tblc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (snoopy [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25049-01 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from tblc.org (bernie.tblc.org [207.239.93.8]) by snoopy.tblc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7AE174715 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:51:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <40212359.6010903@tblc.org> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 11:52:41 -0500 From: Ben Ostrowsky Organization: Tampa Bay Library Consortium User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 MultiZilla/1.6.1.0b X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Intercepting web requests and authenticating users? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tblc.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.6, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, IN_REP_TO -0.37, REFERENCES -0.00, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I think I've got an answer for myself: It's not too slick yet, but NoCat will do it. Ben ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 14:41:28 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14JfSgv007252 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:41:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i14JfSXO007251 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:41:28 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14JfRgv007247 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:41:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14JfQSR020417 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:41:27 -0500 Received: from server109.anhosting.com (server109.anhosting.com [205.243.144.67]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i14Jf02r018314 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:41:00 -0500 Received: from 6532249hfc153.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.249.153] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AoStQ-0001bz-JP for slug@nks.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 13:41:00 -0600 From: Steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Sysadmin job Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:40:55 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402041440.55934.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.anhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.6, required 7, BAYES_10 -4.70, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi all, I've posted a job offer for a full time sysadmin in Largo for those so inclined. -- Steve __________________________________________________ You actually need to constantly be alert and willing to handle things, or life will find a way to get you good! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 17:00:28 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14M0Rgv008283 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:00:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i14M0MLR008282 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:00:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14M0Igv008278 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:00:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14M0HSR025410 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:00:17 -0500 Received: from spf13.us4.outblaze.com (spf13.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i14M0388004587 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:00:04 -0500 Received: from wspf1.us4.outblaze.com (wspf1.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.146]) by spf13.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id F156218016E1 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:00:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 17365 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 19:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.156) by wspf1.us4.outblaze.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 19:42:59 -0000 Received: by ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CF2DA2B2B0B; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:42:59 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [192.216.156.186] by ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com with http for lnxbrzr1@linuxmail.org; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 03:42:57 +0800 From: "david tomlinson" To: slug@nks.net Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 03:42:57 +0800 Subject: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug X-Originating-Ip: 192.216.156.186 X-Originating-Server: ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040204194259.CF2DA2B2B0B@ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.6, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_30 -0.93) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net First let me thank the friendly people in the Brandon Slug. I certainly will miss you. When someone doesn't have decency to reply to your email or reply, how could anyone excuse this kind of behavior. Since it was my objective to help others without being part of a clique perhaps there is another way. For the present please hold all of my Slug mail until further notice. Please don't suggest that I contact anyone else about this as this has already been attempted. Sincerely, David Tomlinson -- ______________________________________________ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 18:07:46 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14N7egv008778 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:07:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i14N7eqQ008777 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:07:40 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14N7dgv008773 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:07:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14N7cSP027801 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:07:39 -0500 Received: from turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net (turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.126]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i14N7R2r000554 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:07:27 -0500 Received: from user-0c90koo.cable.mindspring.com ([24.144.83.24] helo=elkenserver.net) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AoW7C-0001ip-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 15:07:26 -0800 Message-ID: <40217B8C.7000906@elkenserver.net> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:09:00 -0500 From: Joey Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] KDE is out Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.6, required 7, BAYES_20 -2.60, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net KDE 3.2 was released today as stable. In two years, you people that run deb. stable will see it...lol Check it out on kde.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 18:20:12 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14NKCgv008898 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:20:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i14NKCgq008897 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:20:12 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14NKBgv008893 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:20:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14NKASP028192 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:20:10 -0500 Received: from uslims57.ca.com (mail15.ca.com [208.232.182.11]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i14NJs2r001273 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:19:55 -0500 Received: from usilms22.ca.com ([141.202.201.22]) by uslims57.ca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:19:53 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6547.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:19:52 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug Thread-Index: AcPrav2jr5vpGnoISNOlkk4ZH7VE5AACk3PQ From: "Meyer, David R \(FL\)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2004 23:19:53.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[64D138C0:01C3EB75] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.6, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_20 -2.60, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.64) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i14NKBgv008894 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Did I miss something? -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of david tomlinson Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 2:43 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug First let me thank the friendly people in the Brandon Slug. I certainly will miss you. When someone doesn't have decency to reply to your email or reply, how could anyone excuse this kind of behavior. Since it was my objective to help others without being part of a clique perhaps there is another way. For the present please hold all of my Slug mail until further notice. Please don't suggest that I contact anyone else about this as this has already been attempted. Sincerely, David Tomlinson -- ______________________________________________ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 18:31:49 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14NVhgv009005 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:31:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i14NVhr4009004 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:31:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14NVggv009000 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:31:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i14NVgSP028624 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:31:42 -0500 Received: from usilms54.ca.com (mail12.ca.com [141.202.248.38]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i14NVa88010986 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:31:36 -0500 Received: from usilms22.ca.com ([141.202.201.22]) by usilms54.ca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:31:35 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6547.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [SLUG] Linux World Update Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:31:35 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Linux World Update Thread-Index: AcPrdwd8IinIf8lPS4CUQ/Zc/833KQ== From: "Meyer, David R \(FL\)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2004 23:31:35.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[079581A0:01C3EB77] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_30 -0.93, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.64) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i14NVhgv009001 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello, Linux World was a HUGE success. Borrowing from George W. Bush "The State of our Union is STRONG." While the swag items were SEVERELY lacking this time, the number of people attending with a "C" somewhere in their title was great. Most of the people I spoke to were executive types who have either been directed to move to Linux, or those who have decided on their own to make it happen. I apologize to all who requested stuff...there just wasn't much to get. HOWEVER - If you want a free MySQL shirt, go to the MySQL website and download something...you'll have to take a QUICK survey, but they'll send you a nice shirt for your troubles. I will tell you the Red Hat and Google were actively looking for help...aka LINUX JOBS...and there are a lot of them. Red Hat and HP gave away a two year least on a nice Porsche Boxter. One of the biggest success stories though was the Xandros booth...they were swamped at the show, and they spoke at the CA booth. They had a really nice turnout. I think they are going to hit gold with the new version...it rocks! Anyway, I just wanted to give an update. I'll be working CA World, so I'll try to get some give-aways there, as well as Linux World in San Francisco and Boston later this year. Dope me a note off-line with any questions. Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 19:26:00 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i150Psgv009415 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:25:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i150PsbU009414 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:25:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i150Psgv009410 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:25:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i150PrSP030425 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:25:53 -0500 Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i150Pi2r005763 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:25:44 -0500 Received: from Arthur.Joe-Di.net ([4.47.196.147]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040205002543.FORP23576.out002.verizon.net@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:25:43 -0600 Subject: RE: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug From: Joe Brandt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1075940740.29924.8.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4-8mdk Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:25:41 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.47.196.147] at Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:25:42 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-6.9, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.06, IN_REP_TO -0.37, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_XIMIAN -2.71) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 23:19, Meyer, David R (FL) wrote: > Did I miss something? Apparently so did I. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 21:01:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1521Agv010122 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:01:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i15219mU010121 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:01:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15219gv010117 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:01:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15218SP001250 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:01:09 -0500 Received: from nolab.conman.org (user72.209.42.38.dsli.com [209.42.38.72] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1520x2r012274 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:01:00 -0500 Received: by nolab.conman.org (Postfix, from userid 1006) id AADABF9A; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:00:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nolab.conman.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FA91782 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:00:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:00:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew M. Hoerter" X-X-Sender: amh@kwalitee.nolab.conman.org To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux distros; was: non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <00d301c3e9ab$28ed5df0$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <010001c3e9b4$3964d380$cb0e030a@ut.edu> <17688.129.41.55.200.1075756912.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> <04235F52-55CC-11D8-B85B-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.3, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_20 -2.60, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_PINE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Derek Glidden wrote: > Same here. I'm using the powerbook for most things now it seems. If > only there were a decent terminal program for it though. (X11 is a > resource hog, iTerm is one of the ugliest pieces of software I've ever > seen, Terminal.app's emulation sucks rocks...) I've not had problems with Terminal.app's emulation (I even got emacs to work properly), but it does crash with disturbing frequency. It would be nice for such a fundamental program to be a little more robust. Maybe 10.3 is improved in that regard (I'm still running Jaguar/10.2, being somewhat conservative about OS upgrades, especially from Apple). > Just that, for example, you can't replace Aqua (or whatever they want > to call it) with Windowmaker. Heresy! Aqua is the one true interface, and you shall have no other window managers before it. It's a tradeoff -- either you codify the interface guidelines and enforce a consistent look and feel across the board, or you go the X Windows route and separate mechanism from policy, allowing drastically different interfaces from machine to machine. Personally I agree with Apple on that issue. X is a great system for GUI research in the lab, but a graphical Tower of Babel when it comes to the real world. The major UNIX vendors admitted as much with initiatives like OPEN LOOK and CDE. Such flexibility is desired by a very tiny percentage of the user population, and has a major negative effect on acceptance of the system by everyone else. That, along with the fact that network/remote display capabilities turned out to be not nearly as important as speculated, form the two big design errors in X, IMO. The latter is an atavism from the days when a lot less computing power was available on the desktop, and it was assumed you'd be using much beefier compute servers over the network. Then Moore's Law happened... I will admit though, I didn't like Aqua's appearance at first. If it were up to me I'd prefer something a lot cleaner, more akin to the old System 6 and earlier theme. But I can understand Apple's reasoning and desire to look more modern. I'll deal. > I've been seriously digging on Applescript lately. The language is > hideous (please, the next person who decides they want to design a > programming language that mimics "spoken english syntax" go see your > doctor and ask him to up your prescription dosage...) but the > functionality is really nice. Agreed, it's ugly as sin, but awfully useful. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 21:06:20 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1526Kgv010164 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:06:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1526KRF010163 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:06:20 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1526Jgv010159 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:06:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1526JSP001370 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:06:19 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i152652r012501 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:06:05 -0500 Received: from pool-7.max.marlowe.net (pool-7.max.marlowe.net [64.58.217.7] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.0) id 8R9NN00 for ; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:08:11 -0500 From: Bob Stia Organization: Fully Retired Corp. To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Safe ? or not ! Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:17:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <40212087.9010903@nks.net> In-Reply-To: <40212087.9010903@nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402042117.58333.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-6, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, PLING_QUERY 0.07, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_KMAIL -0.47) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 04 February 2004 11:40 am, Ian Blenke wrote: > Eben King wrote: > > RPM is probably just trying to be tidy by removing directories, > > which will only succeed if they're empty. > > It's merely a warning, not an error. > > The upgrade script for whatever RPM you are installing is merely > checking to see if those directories are empty so that it might clean > up after itself. There are almost definitely OTHER packages installed > that do have files in those directories - you do NOT want to remove > them if you want those other packages to function properly. > Thanks for replying guys. Guess I will just leave them alone. There may or may not be extraneous files/packages that exist there and never to be used again, but how would one know for sure. Use up a little extra space on the HD. Oh well !! Thanks again, Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 21:52:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i152qagv010534 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:52:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i152qalZ010533 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:52:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i152qZgv010529 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:52:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i152qZSP002892 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:52:35 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i152qS88024345 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:52:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 11694 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 02:52:27 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 02:52:27 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AoZcQ-0001qo-00 for ; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:51:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:51:49 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Mail rejected from AOL Message-ID: <20040205025149.GE6493@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.84, USER_AGENT_MUTT -2.80) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net My wife was trying to send an email to a customer on AOL tonite and got the following message back: 152 fatal error from smtp transport: 554- (RTR:DU) The IP address you are using to connect to AOL is a dynamic 554- (residential) IP address. AOL will not accept future e-mail transactions 554- from this IP address until your ISP removes this IP address from its list 554- of dynamic (residential) IP addresses. For additional information, 554 please visit http://postmaster.info.aol.com. I tried telnetting into their mail servers, and got the same exact message. We're on a residential DSL with dynamic IP. It sounds like AOL is blocking email from any dynamic IP. Is that right? It sounds completely psychotic. Was there a news item I missed? Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 22:05:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1535lgv010635 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:05:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1535lJq010634 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:05:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1535kgv010630 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:05:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1535jSR003285 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:05:46 -0500 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1535R88025199 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:05:27 -0500 Received: from MARS (119-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.119]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C2C471000C1 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:05:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete S." To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Mail rejected from AOL Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:05:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040205025149.GE6493@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.6, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, IN_REP_TO -0.37, MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE -0.14, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE -0.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Read about this on another mail.server news group... work around that I saw, was to setup mail relay trough a static IP mail server (allowing relaying only from a specific IP address). Might be able to work things out with a Web hosting site. Pete -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Paul M Foster Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:52 PM To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Mail rejected from AOL My wife was trying to send an email to a customer on AOL tonite and got the following message back: 152 fatal error from smtp transport: 554- (RTR:DU) The IP address you are using to connect to AOL is a dynamic 554- (residential) IP address. AOL will not accept future e-mail transactions 554- from this IP address until your ISP removes this IP address from its list 554- of dynamic (residential) IP addresses. For additional information, 554 please visit http://postmaster.info.aol.com. I tried telnetting into their mail servers, and got the same exact message. We're on a residential DSL with dynamic IP. It sounds like AOL is blocking email from any dynamic IP. Is that right? It sounds completely psychotic. Was there a news item I missed? Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 22:13:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153DHgv010716 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:13:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i153DHVW010715 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:13:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153DGgv010711 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:13:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153DGSP003521 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:13:16 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i153D188025658 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:13:01 -0500 Received: (qmail 13253 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 03:13:00 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 03:13:00 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AoZwJ-00033b-00 for ; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:12:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:12:23 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE is out Message-ID: <20040205031223.GA11727@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <40217B8C.7000906@elkenserver.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40217B8C.7000906@elkenserver.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.6, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -5.20, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.84, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MUTT -2.80) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 06:09:00PM -0500, Joey Dale wrote: > KDE 3.2 was released today as stable. In two years, you people that run > deb. stable will see it...lol Check it out on kde.org Hey, that's not funny! (ROTFL ;-) Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 22:15:44 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153Figv010742 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:15:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i153FiqL010741 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:15:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153Fhgv010737 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:15:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153FhSR003600 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:15:43 -0500 Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i153Fc2r016910 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:15:39 -0500 Received: from outbound29-sr.lax.untd.com (webmail01.lax.untd.com [10.130.30.141]) by smtpout02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABACDPKCAG7T5AA for (sender ); Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"eyWQ8kNuv/2AmhI+0gI0VmOOBhmgodfGstCiWQC9vwpxoQuYfHQRBYXNgdGkLbij">; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:14:16 PST Received: (from backwardthinker@juno.com) by webmail01.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JMLHRPCF; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:14:16 PST Received: from [68.200.125.247] by webmail01.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 03:13:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.200.125.247] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Backward Thinker" Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 03:13:54 GMT To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Safe ? or not ! X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Backward Thinker Message-Id: <20040204.191416.9396.2263084@webmail01.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:4:1291442391 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.3, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_30 -0.93, FORGED_JUNO_RCVD 2.80, PLING_QUERY 0.07, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Thanks for replying guys. Guess I will just leave them alone. > There may or may not be extraneous files/packages that exist there > and never to be used again, but how would one know for sure. Use up > a little extra space on the HD. Oh well !! Use "rpm -qf /path/to/filename" to identify the source of package-installed files. If you are using an rpm-based distribution, seeing as how the directories you are concerned with are within /usr/lib/ and /usr/share/, everything should be able to be accounted for. ~ Daniel ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 22:16:06 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153G5gv010749 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:16:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i153G5tj010748 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:16:05 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153G5gv010744 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:16:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153G4SP003618 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:16:04 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i153Fx2r016947 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:15:59 -0500 Received: from pc (66-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.66]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i153Fv5j029967 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:15:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:15:56 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail rejected from AOL In-Reply-To: <20040205025149.GE6493@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: My wife was trying to send an email to a customer on AOL tonite and got > the following message back: > > 152 fatal error from smtp transport: > 554- (RTR:DU) The IP address you are using to connect to AOL is a > dynamic > 554- (residential) IP address. AOL will not accept future e-mail > transactions > 554- from this IP address until your ISP removes this IP address from > its list > 554- of dynamic (residential) IP addresses. For additional information, > 554 please visit http://postmaster.info.aol.com. > > I tried telnetting into their mail servers, and got the same exact > message. We're on a residential DSL with dynamic IP. > > It sounds like AOL is blocking email from any dynamic IP. Is that right? > It sounds completely psychotic. Was there a news item I missed? When my mail was rejected by AOL (don't remember an explanatory message), I changed mailservers, from sendmail (on my machine) to whatever my ISP's mail server runs. That worked. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar ARIES: The look on your face will be priceless when you find that 40lb watermelon in your colon. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 22:30:38 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153Ucgv010908 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:30:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i153Uc25010907 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:30:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153Ubgv010903 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:30:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153UbSP004107 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:30:37 -0500 Received: from lion.glypto.com (lion.glypto.com [209.120.224.16]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i153UR88026789 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:30:27 -0500 Received: from [24.161.255.104] (helo=192.168.0.2) by lion.glypto.com with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.24) id 1AoaDi-00046R-I9 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:30:26 -0600 From: Kevin Poorman To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE is out Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:32:42 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <40217B8C.7000906@elkenserver.net> <20040205031223.GA11727@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20040205031223.GA11727@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402042232.42301.asympoticessence@yahoo.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - lion.glypto.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.3, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 2.70, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sigh. It's sad that people always joke about Debian having only out of date packages. It really isn't true. I've the latest kde 3.2 debs installed on my box right now. (and no, I didn't build them.) -Pkj. On Wednesday 04 February 2004 22:12, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 06:09:00PM -0500, Joey Dale wrote: > > KDE 3.2 was released today as stable. In two years, you people that run > > deb. stable will see it...lol Check it out on kde.org > > Hey, that's not funny! (ROTFL ;-) > > Paul > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 22:34:59 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153Yxgv010943 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:34:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i153YwLl010942 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:34:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153Ywgv010938 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:34:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153YvSP004216 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:34:57 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i153YZ88027004 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:34:36 -0500 Received: from newross.rossberry.private (dhcp065-024-198-088.insight.rr.com [65.24.198.88]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i153YWs25358 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:34:32 -0500 Received: from newross.rossberry.private (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by newross.rossberry.private (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i153YQQ6017096 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:34:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (jawildman@localhost) by newross.rossberry.private (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id i153YPKb017092 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:34:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: newross.rossberry.private: jawildman owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:34:24 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Wildman X-X-Sender: jawildman@newross.rossberry.private To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail rejected from AOL In-Reply-To: <20040205025149.GE6493@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: References: <20040205025149.GE6493@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-6.4, required 7, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_PINE 0.00, X_AUTH_WARNING -0.40) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Paul M Foster wrote: > It sounds like AOL is blocking email from any dynamic IP. Is that right? > It sounds completely psychotic. Was there a news item I missed? I don't know about an announcement, but they've beeen doing this for a while. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim@rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 22:35:49 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153Zmgv010961 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:35:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i153Zmrv010960 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:35:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153Zmgv010956 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:35:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153ZlSP004247 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:35:47 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i153ZY88027088 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:35:34 -0500 Received: (qmail 15047 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 03:35:34 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 03:35:34 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AoaI9-00035Q-00 for ; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:35:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:34:57 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug Message-ID: <20040205033457.GB11727@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20040204194259.CF2DA2B2B0B@ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040204194259.CF2DA2B2B0B@ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.9, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.84, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MUTT -2.80) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 03:42:57AM +0800, david tomlinson wrote: > > First let me thank the friendly people in the Brandon Slug. I > certainly will miss you. > When someone doesn't have decency to reply to your email or reply, > how could anyone > excuse this kind of behavior. > When these things happen, I always check to see if the guy sent _me_ something and it got caught in my spam filters and not replied to. But I don't see anything. Mr. Ufer, I think you know what to do to "hold" Mr. Tomlinson's mail. ;-} Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 22:57:27 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153vRgv011131 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:57:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i153vRAG011130 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:57:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153vQgv011126 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:57:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i153vQSR004972 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:57:26 -0500 Received: from cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net (cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.226]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i153v82r019535 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:57:08 -0500 Received: from user-0c90koo.cable.mindspring.com ([24.144.83.24] helo=elkenserver.net) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AoadM-00018E-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:56:56 -0800 Message-ID: <4021BF71.7040201@elkenserver.net> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:58:41 -0500 From: Joey Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE is out References: <40217B8C.7000906@elkenserver.net> <20040205031223.GA11727@quillandmouse.com> <200402042232.42301.asympoticessence@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <200402042232.42301.asympoticessence@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.8, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, IN_REP_TO -0.37, REFERENCES -0.00, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm not taking about sid I'm taking about woody, potato, slink, bo, rex, and buzz Kevin Poorman wrote: >Sigh. It's sad that people always joke about Debian having only out of date >packages. It really isn't true. I've the latest kde 3.2 debs installed on my >box right now. (and no, I didn't build them.) > >-Pkj. > >On Wednesday 04 February 2004 22:12, Paul M Foster wrote: > > >>On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 06:09:00PM -0500, Joey Dale wrote: >> >> >>>KDE 3.2 was released today as stable. In two years, you people that run >>>deb. stable will see it...lol Check it out on kde.org >>> >>> >>Hey, that's not funny! (ROTFL ;-) >> >>Paul >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 23:17:59 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i154Hxgv011291 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:17:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i154Hrv2011290 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:17:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i154Hrgv011286 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:17:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i154HqSP005605 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:17:52 -0500 Received: from bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.119]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i154Hb2r020855 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:17:38 -0500 Received: from user-0c90koo.cable.mindspring.com ([24.144.83.24] helo=elkenserver.net) by bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Aoay5-0004Fz-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:18:21 -0800 Message-ID: <4021C43F.5090405@elkenserver.net> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:19:11 -0500 From: Joey Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] SLUG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.2, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_20 -2.60, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Who is the youngest member of SLUG? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 23:42:18 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i154gIgv011507 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:42:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i154gI5e011506 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:42:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i154g7gv011498 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:42:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i154fwSR006607 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:41:58 -0500 Received: from lion.glypto.com (lion.glypto.com [209.120.224.16]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i154fr2r022867 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:41:53 -0500 Received: from [24.161.255.104] (helo=192.168.0.2) by lion.glypto.com with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.24) id 1AobKr-0005kf-8S for slug@nks.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:41:53 -0600 From: Kevin Poorman To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE is out Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:44:07 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <40217B8C.7000906@elkenserver.net> <200402042232.42301.asympoticessence@yahoo.com> <4021BF71.7040201@elkenserver.net> In-Reply-To: <4021BF71.7040201@elkenserver.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402042344.07781.asympoticessence@yahoo.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - lion.glypto.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.5, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 2.70, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net So use sid. It's not rocket science. Anyone whose worth their salt as a sysadmin can run sid problem free. -Pkj (who has *never* tracked stable) On Wednesday 04 February 2004 22:58, Joey Dale wrote: > I'm not taking about sid I'm taking about woody, potato, slink, bo, rex, > and > buzz > > Kevin Poorman wrote: > >Sigh. It's sad that people always joke about Debian having only out of > > date packages. It really isn't true. I've the latest kde 3.2 debs > > installed on my box right now. (and no, I didn't build them.) > > > >-Pkj. > > > >On Wednesday 04 February 2004 22:12, Paul M Foster wrote: > >>On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 06:09:00PM -0500, Joey Dale wrote: > >>>KDE 3.2 was released today as stable. In two years, you people that run > >>>deb. stable will see it...lol Check it out on kde.org > >> > >>Hey, that's not funny! (ROTFL ;-) > >> > >>Paul > >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > >>posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > >>official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 4 23:50:40 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i154oegv011585 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:50:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i154odGN011584 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:50:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i154oYgv011580 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:50:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i154oXSP006855 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:50:33 -0500 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i154oR88032375 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 23:50:27 -0500 Received: from user-0c90koo.cable.mindspring.com ([24.144.83.24] helo=elkenserver.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AobT8-0000gY-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:50:26 -0800 Message-ID: <4021CBF0.1000102@elkenserver.net> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:52:00 -0500 From: Joey Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE is out References: <40217B8C.7000906@elkenserver.net> <200402042232.42301.asympoticessence@yahoo.com> <4021BF71.7040201@elkenserver.net> <200402042344.07781.asympoticessence@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <200402042344.07781.asympoticessence@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.6, required 7, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have never used deb I run slackware - current I only know about deb. b/c of distrowatch Kevin Poorman wrote: >So use sid. It's not rocket science. Anyone whose worth their salt as a >sysadmin can run sid problem free. > >-Pkj (who has *never* tracked stable) > >On Wednesday 04 February 2004 22:58, Joey Dale wrote: > > >>I'm not taking about sid I'm taking about woody, potato, slink, bo, rex, >>and >>buzz >> >>Kevin Poorman wrote: >> >> >>>Sigh. It's sad that people always joke about Debian having only out of >>>date packages. It really isn't true. I've the latest kde 3.2 debs >>>installed on my box right now. (and no, I didn't build them.) >>> >>>-Pkj. >>> >>>On Wednesday 04 February 2004 22:12, Paul M Foster wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 06:09:00PM -0500, Joey Dale wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>KDE 3.2 was released today as stable. In two years, you people that run >>>>>deb. stable will see it...lol Check it out on kde.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Hey, that's not funny! (ROTFL ;-) >>>> >>>>Paul >>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>>>Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >>>>posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >>>>official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. >>>> >>>> >>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>>Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >>>posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >>>official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. >>> >>> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 5 00:56:00 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i155tsgv012073 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:56:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i155tstB012072 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:55:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i155trgv012068 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:55:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i155trST009227 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:55:53 -0500 Received: from greta.gschmidt.net (cvg-65-29-208-35.cinci.rr.com [65.29.208.35]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i155tc2r028237 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:55:38 -0500 Received: from gschmidt.net (unknown [192.168.1.1]) by greta.gschmidt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A367B6FE31 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:55:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4021DADD.3070608@gschmidt.net> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:55:41 -0500 From: greg schmidt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031107 Debian/1.5-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail rejected from AOL References: <20040205025149.GE6493@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20040205025149.GE6493@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-6, required 7, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > My wife was trying to send an email to a customer on AOL tonite and got > the following message back: > > 152 fatal error from smtp transport: > 554- (RTR:DU) The IP address you are using to connect to AOL is a > dynamic > 554- (residential) IP address. AOL will not accept future e-mail > transactions > 554- from this IP address until your ISP removes this IP address from > its list > 554- of dynamic (residential) IP addresses. For additional information, > 554 please visit http://postmaster.info.aol.com. > > I tried telnetting into their mail servers, and got the same exact > message. We're on a residential DSL with dynamic IP. > > It sounds like AOL is blocking email from any dynamic IP. Is that right? Is it "right"?... ummm... It's quite possibly factual. > It sounds completely psychotic. Agreed. Though some would say it is a good thing. It probably does a very wee little bit to inconvenience stupid spammers. Personally, I'm a bit disappointed that only Big Brother's trusted huge corporations should be allowed to put a functioning MTA on the world's largest computer network. Was there a news item I missed? > > Paul > They started doing this in April last year, near as I could tell. Soon after, they expanded it to mail addressed to some TimeWarner/RoadRunner email accounts with rr.com endings. Since then I've seen it at qtm.net and sbcglobal.com. Haven't noticed any others in probably 6 months or more. Quickest fix might be to relay mail destined for the aol.com domain through your ISP's mail server. This link is kind of postfix-specific but might help give you the general idea. http://www.gschmidt.net/aolrant At least the message they give you now is much more informative than the one they had when they first started this crap. Buy a stamp and tell your AOL friend to switch ISPs, Greg ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 5 05:32:21 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15AWLgv014364 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 05:32:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i15AWKd6014363 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 05:32:20 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15AWKgv014359 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 05:32:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15AWJSR019753 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 05:32:19 -0500 Received: from livingstone.bluedragonstudio.com (rrcs-se-24-73-109-42.biz.rr.com [24.73.109.42]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i15AVm88025445 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 05:31:48 -0500 Received: (qmail 10266 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 10:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bluedragonstudio.com) (10.0.1.249) by livingstone.bluedragonstudio.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 10:34:11 -0000 Message-ID: <40221B93.1000700@bluedragonstudio.com> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 05:31:47 -0500 From: Rob Roberson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Intercepting web requests and authenticating users? ***CAUTION*** References: <40212359.6010903@tblc.org> In-Reply-To: <40212359.6010903@tblc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-6.7, required 7, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ben! Google up the recent patent by Nomadix regarding Wi-Fi gateway redirection. They seem to be spreading some FUD that they own the patent for just the activity you're talking about - but I think they're about to be debunked. I did find one story (http://www.stargeek.com/item/70890.html) about an analysis of their claim by NetGate's Jim Thompson on StarGeek. Ben Ostrowsky wrote: > I think I've got an answer for myself: > > It's not too slick yet, but NoCat will do it. > > Ben > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 5 07:33:18 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15CXHgv015279 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:33:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i15CXHc3015278 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:33:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15CXHgv015274 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:33:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15CXGSR023761 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:33:16 -0500 Received: from spf13.us4.outblaze.com (spf13.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i15CX02r024588 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:33:01 -0500 Received: from spf0.us4.outblaze.com (spf0.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.68]) by spf13.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id D36F41802888 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:32:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 18678 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 12:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.156) by mailin.us4.outblaze.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 12:32:34 -0000 Received: by ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7331F2B2B0C; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:32:32 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [192.216.156.186] by ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com with http for lnxbrzr1@linuxmail.org; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:32:32 +0800 From: "david tomlinson" To: slug@nks.net Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:32:32 +0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug X-Originating-Ip: 192.216.156.186 X-Originating-Server: ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040205123232.7331F2B2B0C@ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.4, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_20 -2.60, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul M Foster Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:34:57 -0500 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug > On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 03:42:57AM +0800, david tomlinson wrote: > > > > > First let me thank the friendly people in the Brandon Slug. I > > certainly will miss you. > > When someone doesn't have decency to reply to your email or reply, > > how could anyone > > excuse this kind of behavior. > > > > When these things happen, I always check to see if the guy sent _me_ > something and it got caught in my spam filters and not replied to. But I > don't see anything. > > Mr. Ufer, I think you know what to do to "hold" Mr. Tomlinson's mail. > ;-} > > Paul > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr Foster: An email was sent to T. Ufer at his address of record (tufer@righttobeararms) and according to mail records was delivered. I did not send you any mail because previously a reply to you referring to Libranet's new archive was unaswered. Even though adequate time had been given no reply was received from NKS. Sincerely, David Tomlinson -- ______________________________________________ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 5 08:11:20 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15DBKgv015565 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:11:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i15DBJ6V015564 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:11:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15DBJgv015560 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:11:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15DBJSP025108 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:11:19 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i15DAq88003402 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:10:52 -0500 Received: from 192.168.2.160 (24285hfc156.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.156]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i15DAo1c012609 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:10:51 -0500 (EST) From: "R.G. Mayhue" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:10:33 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <20040205123232.7331F2B2B0C@ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20040205123232.7331F2B2B0C@ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402050810.33673.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 05 February 2004 07:32 am, david tomlinson wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul M Foster > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:34:57 -0500 > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug > > > On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 03:42:57AM +0800, david tomlinson wrote: > > > First let me thank the friendly people in the Brandon Slug. I > > > certainly will miss you. > > > When someone doesn't have decency to reply to your email or > > > reply, how could anyone > > > excuse this kind of behavior. > > > > When these things happen, I always check to see if the guy sent _me_ > > something and it got caught in my spam filters and not replied to. But I > > don't see anything. > > > > Mr. Ufer, I think you know what to do to "hold" Mr. Tomlinson's mail. > > ;-} > > > > Paul > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >----------------------------------- > > Mr Foster: > > An email was sent to T. Ufer at his address of record > (tufer@righttobeararms) and according to mail records was delivered. I did > not send you any mail because previously a reply to you referring to > Libranet's new archive was unaswered. > > Even though adequate time had been given no reply was received from NKS. > > Sincerely, > > David Tomlinson Ooop! There goes your raise Paul! ;-) -- Rob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 5 09:10:03 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15EA3gv016008 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:10:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i15EA3mD016007 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:10:03 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15EA2gv016003 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:10:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15EA1SP027042 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:10:02 -0500 Received: from usilms54.ca.com (mail12.ca.com [141.202.248.38]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i15E9q2r031253 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:09:53 -0500 Received: from usilms22.ca.com ([141.202.201.22]) by usilms54.ca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:09:52 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6547.0 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:09:52 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug Thread-Index: AcPr5I+XuJJWDv26TYC8Z2qK/ns3uQAC4j2Q From: "Meyer, David R \(FL\)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2004 14:09:52.0516 (UTC) FILETIME=[B94FB440:01C3EBF1] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.7, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.64) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i15EA2gv016004 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mr. Tomlinson, As someone who is well versed and experienced in the art of miscommunication (as I have a history of being the guilty party in the past) let me ask that you not implicate NKS in your note. NKS is kind enough to host this list, and while many of their folks are involved in SLUG, they are not SLUG. I have posted before and sent notes to people that don't get answered, probably because I have not addressed them to the proper place. In this case, it appears you did not. I can't speak for Tom, but I will tell you that if Paul Foster had received your email (to him directly) he would have replied. Tom Ufer is the same way...he also replies, but like many, he is exceptionally busy. When I say I think you mis-addressed this note, I mean that perhaps you should have sent the note to the listadmin@suncoastlug.org address, rather than to Tom's personal account. I have two email addresses that I use on this list, and one of them doesn't get read very often. Reconsider leaving...SLUG is a good group, and you can learn a lot. I sure have. But if you must go, then you can accomplish this by doing the following: Send an email to: majordomo@nks.net In the body of the email, give the following command: unsubscribe Or execute this command: echo unsubscribe | mail majordomo@nks.net This is pretty simple to do and will accomplish the removal of your name from the list. Again, I think you should reconsider...but if you have to go, we wish you the best. Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 5 10:44:20 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15FiKgv016791 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:44:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i15FiJ7a016790 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:44:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15FiJgv016786 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:44:19 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15FiDSP030102 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:44:13 -0500 Received: from nks.net (icb-ws-00.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.12.9/8.12.7/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id i15FiDFt028192 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:44:13 -0500 Message-ID: <402264CC.1020106@nks.net> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 10:44:12 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Safe ? or not ! References: <40212087.9010903@nks.net> <200402042117.58333.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200402042117.58333.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bob Stia wrote: > On Wednesday 04 February 2004 11:40 am, Ian Blenke wrote: > >>Eben King wrote: >> >>>RPM is probably just trying to be tidy by removing directories, >>>which will only succeed if they're empty. >> >>It's merely a warning, not an error. >> >>The upgrade script for whatever RPM you are installing is merely >>checking to see if those directories are empty so that it might clean >>up after itself. There are almost definitely OTHER packages installed >>that do have files in those directories - you do NOT want to remove >>them if you want those other packages to function properly. >> > > Thanks for replying guys. Guess I will just leave them alone. There > may or may not be extraneous files/packages that exist there and never > to be used again, but how would one know for sure. Use up a little > extra space on the HD. Oh well !! Go into the directory in question and do an "rpm -q -f" on the file, ie: for dir in /usr/share/themes /usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines /usr/lib/gtk/themes /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.2.0/engines /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.2.0 /usr/lib/gtk-2.0 /usr/lib/gtk ; do for file in $dir/* ; do rpm -q -f "$file" ; done ; done | sort | uniq After a bit of churning, this should give you a list of packages that have files in those directories. -- - Ian C. Blenke - Director of Service Delivery (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 5 16:51:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15Lpagv019520 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:51:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i15Lpac3019519 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:51:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15LpUgv019515 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:51:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15LpTSP009762 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:51:30 -0500 Received: from spf13.us4.outblaze.com (spf13.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i15LpA2r028709 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 16:51:11 -0500 Received: from spf0.us4.outblaze.com (spf0.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.68]) by spf13.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id E280718007FA for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:51:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 13416 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 21:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.133) by mailin.us4.outblaze.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 21:51:09 -0000 Received: by ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7E38F234B8; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:51:10 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [192.216.156.186] by ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for lnxbrzr1@linuxmail.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 05:51:10 +0800 From: "david tomlinson" To: slug@nks.net Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 05:51:10 +0800 Subject: RE: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug X-Originating-Ip: 192.216.156.186 X-Originating-Server: ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20040205215110.7E38F234B8@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.8, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_20 -2.60, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meyer, David R (FL)" Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:09:52 -0500 To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug > Mr. Tomlinson, > > As someone who is well versed and experienced in the art of > miscommunication (as I have a history of being the guilty party in the > past) let me ask that you not implicate NKS in your note. NKS is kind > enough to host this list, and while many of their folks are involved in > SLUG, they are not SLUG. I have posted before and sent notes to people > that don't get answered, probably because I have not addressed them to > the proper place. In this case, it appears you did not. I can't speak > for Tom, but I will tell you that if Paul Foster had received your email > (to him directly) he would have replied. Tom Ufer is the same way...he > also replies, but like many, he is exceptionally busy. > > When I say I think you mis-addressed this note, I mean that perhaps you > should have sent the note to the listadmin@suncoastlug.org address, > rather than to Tom's personal account. I have two email addresses that > I use on this list, and one of them doesn't get read very often. > > Reconsider leaving...SLUG is a good group, and you can learn a lot. I > sure have. But if you must go, then you can accomplish this by doing > the following: > > Send an email to: > majordomo@nks.net > In the body of the email, give the following command: > unsubscribe > Or execute this command: > echo unsubscribe | mail > majordomo@nks.net > > This is pretty simple to do and will accomplish the removal of your name > from the list. Again, I think you should reconsider...but if you have > to go, we wish you the best. > > Dave > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Meyer: Appreciate your concern about this situation being your previous circumstamces, however at this time neither Tom Ufer nor P. Foster at this time have to my knowledge attempted to contact me about this.I cannot imagine that anyone can't take the time for a short email and certainly by now have had time to consider this.Certainly there is enough fragmenting and non-cohesiveness in the community and I have no intentions 'feeding a fishing expedition'.Enough said about this. David -- ______________________________________________ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. 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(4.4.116.198) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 22:23:45 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG From: ethan zimmerman To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <4021C43F.5090405@elkenserver.net> References: <4021C43F.5090405@elkenserver.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1076008973.4370.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:22:54 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-7.5, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.27, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.84, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_XIMIAN -2.71) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 23:19, Joey Dale wrote: > Who is the youngest member of SLUG? uhm I'm 23 that's kinda young i gues ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 5 17:40:55 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15Metgv019919 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:40:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i15MetoU019918 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:40:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15Mengv019914 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:40:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15MemSP011361 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:40:48 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i15MeX88008147 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:40:33 -0500 Received: from billspc (6535152hfc87.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.152.87]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i15MeSbF020614 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:40:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200402052240.i15MeSbF020614@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bill Glidden" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] SLUG Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:40:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcPsOODHrkJWTDAnTWK++wPAOK9f8QAACrmQ In-Reply-To: <1076008973.4370.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.8, required 7, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK 2.17, IN_REP_TO -0.37, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME 0.00, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS 0.49) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have shoes older than that ... -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of ethan zimmerman Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 2:23 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 23:19, Joey Dale wrote: > Who is the youngest member of SLUG? uhm I'm 23 that's kinda young i gues ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 5 17:55:26 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15MtQgv020031 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:55:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i15MtQqD020030 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:55:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15MtPgv020026 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:55:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15MtOSV011805 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:55:25 -0500 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i15MtA88008978 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:55:10 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955918pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.98]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2004020522550901600f99f5e>; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:55:09 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AosNj-00006d-00 for ; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:53:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1076008973.4370.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4021C43F.5090405@elkenserver.net> <1076008973.4370.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-cBMdtLNcgTWlZqD9ZJn8" Message-Id: <1076021639.15329.263.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 17:53:59 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-10.4, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.64, IN_REP_TO -0.37, PGP_SIGNATURE_2 -2.21, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_XIMIAN -2.71) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-cBMdtLNcgTWlZqD9ZJn8 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 14:22, ethan zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 23:19, Joey Dale wrote: > > Who is the youngest member of SLUG? >=20 > uhm I'm 23 that's kinda young i gues Heh, I can't remember if I bought my C64 in 1981 or 1982 so its about the same age as you! The Logan --=20 17:50:01 up 29 days, 21:48, 3 users, load average: 0.33, 0.29, 0.53 If toast always lands butter-side down, and cats always land on their feet,= what happens if you strap toast on the back of a cat and drop it? -- Steve= n Wright Registered Linux User 277727 ICQ 72101412 --=-cBMdtLNcgTWlZqD9ZJn8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAIsmH3OecGqSbkyMRAmVWAJ9psQyUqXCwHEeplwszn6IyIejtDwCgmmfX kwgfR911XJUhuAXjDAAZM6A= =Xn/3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-cBMdtLNcgTWlZqD9ZJn8-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 5 18:13:20 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15NDKgv020175 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:13:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i15NDKTb020174 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:13:20 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15NDJgv020170 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:13:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15NDASP012439 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:13:11 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i15NCu88010302 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:13:00 -0500 Received: (qmail 2315 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2004 23:12:41 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2004 23:12:41 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AosfJ-00089R-00 for ; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:12:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:12:05 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug Message-ID: <20040205231204.GC11727@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20040205123232.7331F2B2B0C@ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com> <200402050810.33673.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200402050810.33673.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.9, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.84, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MUTT -2.80) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:10:33AM -0500, R.G. Mayhue wrote: > On Thursday 05 February 2004 07:32 am, david tomlinson wrote: > > > > Mr Foster: > > > > An email was sent to T. Ufer at his address of record > > (tufer@righttobeararms) and according to mail records was delivered. I did > > not send you any mail because previously a reply to you referring to > > Libranet's new archive was unaswered. > > > > Even though adequate time had been given no reply was received from NKS. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > David Tomlinson > > Ooop! There goes your raise Paul! ;-) > Yeah, I knew this would end up being my fault, one way or another. ;-} Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 5 18:48:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15Nm4gv020486 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:48:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i15Nm4Qw020485 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:48:04 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15Nm3gv020481 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:48:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i15Nm3SP013631 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:48:03 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (adslh225.cofs.net [207.87.240.225]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i15Nlv88012559 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:47:58 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F33514FC for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207.87.240.225 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by www.digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:47:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <63552.207.87.240.225.1076024876.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <4021C43F.5090405@elkenserver.net> References: <4021C43F.5090405@elkenserver.net> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:47:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.6, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_20 -2.60, IN_REP_TO -0.37, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.44, REFERENCES -0.00, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Who is the youngest member of SLUG? I turned 21 in September of last year. (BTW, I count in HEX). -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 5 19:31:16 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i160VFgv020838 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:31:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i160VAOo020837 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:31:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i160V9gv020829 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:31:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i160V1SR015033 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:31:01 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i160Ui2r006400 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:30:44 -0500 Received: from pc (66-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.66]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i160Uh1d010527 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:30:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:30:41 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG In-Reply-To: <63552.207.87.240.225.1076024876.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: > Who is the youngest member of SLUG? > > I turned 21 in September of last year. > > > (BTW, I count in HEX). OK, I guess I'm under 20 then. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar A: Because it looks dumb and is hard to read. Q: Why is top-posting wrong? -- from lots42@xxx.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 5 19:42:33 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i160gXgv020929 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:42:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i160gWba020928 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:42:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i160gQgv020924 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:42:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i160gQSP015411 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:42:26 -0500 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i160gI88016075 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:42:19 -0500 Received: from user-0c90koo.cable.mindspring.com ([24.144.83.24] helo=elkenserver.net) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Aou4Y-00070Z-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:42:18 -0800 Message-ID: <4022E34A.1050301@elkenserver.net> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:43:54 -0500 From: Joey Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.6, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm 15 Eben King wrote: >On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Kwan Lowe wrote: > > > >>>Who is the youngest member of SLUG? >>> >>> >>I turned 21 in September of last year. >> >> >>(BTW, I count in HEX). >> >> > >OK, I guess I'm under 20 then. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 5 20:00:50 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1610igv021075 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:00:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1610dFV021074 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:00:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1610Xgv021070 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:00:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1610XSP015995 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:00:33 -0500 Received: from server109.anhosting.com (server109.anhosting.com [205.243.144.67]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1610K2r008358 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:00:21 -0500 Received: from 6532249hfc153.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.249.153] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AouM1-00030D-9H for slug@nks.net; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:00:21 -0600 From: Steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:00:16 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402052000.16007.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.anhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.6, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_KMAIL -0.47) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 05 February 2004 07:30 pm, you wrote: > On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Kwan Lowe wrote: > > > Who is the youngest member of SLUG? > > > > I turned 21 in September of last year. > > > > > > (BTW, I count in HEX). > > OK, I guess I'm under 20 then. That would make you 33! -- Steve __________________________________________________ You actually need to constantly be alert and willing to handle things, or life will find a way to get you good! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 5 22:28:32 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i163SVgv022182 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:28:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i163SVlt022181 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:28:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i163SKgv022176 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:28:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i163SCSV020625 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:28:20 -0500 Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i163Ri2r017401 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:27:44 -0500 Received: from cssi-fl.com ([68.18.57.199]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040206032744.UCUZ1953.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@cssi-fl.com> for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:27:44 -0500 From: patrick grantham To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail rejected from AOL Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:22:17 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <20040205025149.GE6493@quillandmouse.com> <4021DADD.3070608@gschmidt.net> In-Reply-To: <4021DADD.3070608@gschmidt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402052222.17966.pwgrant@cssi-fl.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.1, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_KMAIL -0.47) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I suggest configuring your sendmail server (i.e sendmail, Qmail, etc.) to relay through your ISP. I have a client on twc. I did the same with their mail server. Problem solved with no configuration changes on the clients. The clients point the to the local mail server for mail. On Thursday 05 February 2004 00:55, you wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: > > My wife was trying to send an email to a customer on AOL tonite and got > > the following message back: > > > > 152 fatal error from smtp transport: > > 554- (RTR:DU) The IP address you are using to connect to AOL is a > > dynamic > > 554- (residential) IP address. AOL will not accept future e-mail > > transactions > > 554- from this IP address until your ISP removes this IP address from > > its list > > 554- of dynamic (residential) IP addresses. For additional information, > > 554 please visit http://postmaster.info.aol.com. > > > > I tried telnetting into their mail servers, and got the same exact > > message. We're on a residential DSL with dynamic IP. > > > > It sounds like AOL is blocking email from any dynamic IP. Is that right? > > Is it "right"?... ummm... It's quite possibly factual. > > > It sounds completely psychotic. > > Agreed. Though some would say it is a good thing. It probably does a > very wee little bit to inconvenience stupid spammers. Personally, I'm a > bit disappointed that only Big Brother's trusted huge corporations > should be allowed to put a functioning MTA on the world's largest > computer network. > > Was there a news item I missed? > > > Paul > > They started doing this in April last year, near as I could tell. Soon > after, they expanded it to mail addressed to some TimeWarner/RoadRunner > email accounts with rr.com endings. Since then I've seen it at qtm.net > and sbcglobal.com. Haven't noticed any others in probably 6 months or > more. Quickest fix might be to relay mail destined for the aol.com > domain through your ISP's mail server. > > This link is kind of postfix-specific but might help give you the > general idea. > > http://www.gschmidt.net/aolrant > > At least the message they give you now is much more informative than the > one they had when they first started this crap. > > Buy a stamp and tell your AOL friend to switch ISPs, > > Greg > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 5 23:07:31 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1647Vgv022471 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:07:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1647VdQ022470 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:07:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1647Ugv022466 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:07:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1647USP021814 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:07:30 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1647K88028927 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:07:20 -0500 Received: from pc (66-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.66]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1647I1d008302 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:07:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:07:16 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] fee for consultation Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:11:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i164Bth9022524 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:11:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i164Btgv022520 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:11:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i164BsSP021942 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:11:54 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i164Bl2r020037 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:11:47 -0500 Received: (qmail 8600 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 04:11:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 04:11:46 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:11:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <4021C43F.5090405@elkenserver.net> In-Reply-To: <4021C43F.5090405@elkenserver.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402052311.46537.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.9, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.64, IN_REP_TO -0.37, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_KMAIL -0.47) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 04 February 2004 11:19 pm, you wrote: > Who is the youngest member of SLUG? I might be ... I joined last week. ;) Bill -- 23:11:15 up 30 days, 23:53, 5 users, load average: 0.61, 0.26, 0.20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 5 23:42:53 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i164grgv022774 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:42:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i164grER022773 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:42:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i164gqgv022769 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:42:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i164gqSP022876 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:42:52 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i164ge88030991 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:42:40 -0500 Received: from pool-3.max.marlowe.net (pool-3.max.marlowe.net [64.58.217.3] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.0) id 8RQWO00 for ; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:44:46 -0500 From: Bob Stia Organization: Fully Retired Corp. To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Safe ? or not ! Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:54:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <200402042117.58333.rnr@sanctum.com> <402264CC.1020106@nks.net> In-Reply-To: <402264CC.1020106@nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402052354.47650.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-6.2, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, PLING_QUERY 0.07, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_KMAIL -0.47) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 05 February 2004 10:44 am, Ian Blenke wrote: > Bob Stia wrote: > > Thanks for replying guys. Guess I will just leave them alone. > > There may or may not be extraneous files/packages that exist there > > and never to be used again, but how would one know for sure. Use > > up a little extra space on the HD. Oh well !! > > Go into the directory in question and do an "rpm -q -f" on the file, > ie: > > for dir in /usr/share/themes /usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines > /usr/lib/gtk/themes /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.2.0/engines > /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.2.0 /usr/lib/gtk-2.0 /usr/lib/gtk ; do > for file in $dir/* ; do > rpm -q -f "$file" ; > done ; > done | sort | uniq > > After a bit of churning, this should give you a list of packages that > have files in those directories. OK, thanks Ian, appreciate the help in learning how to do these things. If I uderstood correctly, here is what I did: cd'd to /usr/lib/gtk/themes then did an rpm -q -f "engines" Got the reply file engines is not owned by any package OK Does that mean it is safe to delete the "engines" directory?? It is not really a file; it is really a directory, right? Bob Stia ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 00:46:29 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i165kTgv023254 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:46:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i165kT6P023253 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:46:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i165kSgv023249 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:46:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i165kRSP025136 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:46:27 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i165k92r026318 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:46:09 -0500 Received: from blackgold (6535219hfc162.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.219.162]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i165k71c016936 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:46:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007f01c3ec74$cedf2d80$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> From: "bpreece1" To: References: <20040205215110.7E38F234B8@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:48:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.8, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_20 -2.60, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Mr. Meyer: > > Appreciate your concern about this situation being your previous circumstamces, > however at this time neither Tom Ufer nor P. Foster at this time have to my > knowledge attempted to contact me about this. Why did you not post this to slug@nks.net ? Did you not understand how to post a question to the list rather then to try to ask a Officer of the group? >I cannot imagine that anyone can't take the time for a short email and certainly by now have had time to consider >this. Also keep in mind the individuals you blame also have a bussiness to run. As for when you get answered there is no set time limit. If you mailed Tom's personal e-mail then Paul will not know about it. Again you should have sent the question to slug@nks.net to where over a few hundred members are registered and would have been able to assist you by seeing you needed help cause anyone on the list would have seen you needed help. >Certainly there is enough fragmenting and non-cohesiveness in the community Mr. Tomlinson, you did not properly go about how to get your answer to the question you had. and I have no intentions 'feeding a fishing expedition'.Enough said about this.412 > > David Mr. Tomlinson, What you missed to understand is that you post your questions to the list about distro or Linux problems. Sending a question based on a problem with a particular distro is not what the SLUG Officers e-mail addresses are listed for. We are listed to contact us about SLUG! The mailing list you are in fact getting this message from is where you ask! Down below a example on how to post a question. Example From: Mr. Tomlinson@xyz.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Libranet's new archive This is about Libranet's new archive. How come xyz blah blah will not? This shows that the slug mailing list will get your post and then everyone can reply! This is the proper way to get help and answers. The sending a question to Tom's Personal address is not how you post to the list to get your answer! That's what you missed so thus the problem is not Tom, Paul, nor NKS. It means you posted a question the wrong way! Last and final Mr.Meyer gave you a very proper and great reply. Again if you wish to be removed then follow the directions or ask to be unsubscribed that simple. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 09:04:56 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16E4ugv027164 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:04:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16E4uj0027163 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:04:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16E4ogv027159 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:04:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16E4oSP010589 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:04:50 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16E4Y2r029455 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:04:34 -0500 Received: from test01 (rrcs-se-24-173-149-166.biz.rr.com [24.173.149.166]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i16E4W5i022623 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:04:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007501c3ecba$252108e0$3249490a@test01> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <20040205123232.7331F2B2B0C@ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com> <200402050810.33673.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> <20040205231204.GC11727@quillandmouse.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:04:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.2, required 7, BAYES_30 -0.93, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I haven't seen anyone ask how this e-mail address could even work, since there is no TLD (.com; .org; etc) appended to it. In any event it _appears_ to be an address that may not be liable to be checked often. That aside, how could such an address, as shown, work?? What have I missed? > > > An email was sent to T. Ufer at his address of record > > > (tufer@righttobeararms) and according to mail records was delivered. I did > > > not send you any mail ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 12:38:39 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16Hcdgv028794 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:38:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16Hcd51028793 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:38:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16Hccgv028789 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:38:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16HcXSP017169 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:38:33 -0500 Received: from mail8.atl.registeredsite.com (mail8.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.82]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16HcQ2r009882 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:38:26 -0500 Received: from stewartsigns.com (capricornus.hosting4u.net [209.35.191.104]) by mail8.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i16HcOjf000589 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:38:24 -0500 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:38:24 -0600 From: "Rock" To: Subject: [SLUG] need shell script routine Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:38:24 -0500 Message-ID: <003601c3ecd8$05d21150$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <200402041440.55934.steve@szmidt.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3, required 7, BAYES_20 -2.60, IN_REP_TO -0.37) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey Guys, I need a shell script routine that I can include in my program that adds time in the format 00:00:00 hours:minutes:seconds for as many as 4 consecutive records on many different occasions in a very large text file. I read in records one at a time and test to see if this is a time record. If it is the first record in a new series than I start my counter all over again. I just don't want to reinvent the wheel at this moment! Thanks, Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst and Linux Admin. JM Stewart Corp ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 13:12:54 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16ICsgv029057 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:12:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16ICmQl029056 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:12:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16ICmgv029052 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:12:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16ICgSP018189 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:12:42 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16ICJ88021278 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:12:32 -0500 Received: from newross.rossberry.private (dhcp065-024-198-088.insight.rr.com [65.24.198.88]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i16ICIs02839 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:12:18 -0500 Received: from newross.rossberry.private (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by newross.rossberry.private (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i16ICDQ6017240 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:12:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (jawildman@localhost) by newross.rossberry.private (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id i16ICDgB017236 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:12:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: newross.rossberry.private: jawildman owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:12:12 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Wildman X-X-Sender: jawildman@newross.rossberry.private To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] need shell script routine In-Reply-To: <003601c3ecd8$05d21150$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> Message-ID: References: <003601c3ecd8$05d21150$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-6.4, required 7, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_PINE 0.00, X_AUTH_WARNING -0.40) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Rock wrote: > I need a shell script routine that I can include in my program that adds > time in the format 00:00:00 hours:minutes:seconds for as many as 4 > consecutive records on many different occasions in a very large text > file. > I read in records one at a time and test to see if this is a time > record. If it is the first record in a new series than I start my > counter all over again. > I just don't want to reinvent the wheel at this moment! > How about some sample input and output? Hard to do much without that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim@rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 13:38:35 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16IcZgv029261 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:38:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16IcZHm029260 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:38:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16IcYgv029256 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:38:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16IcYSP018972 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:38:34 -0500 Received: from mail13.atl.registeredsite.com (mail13.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.87]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16IcM88022788 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:38:23 -0500 Received: from stewartsigns.com (capricornus.hosting4u.net [209.35.191.104]) by mail13.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i16IcJr9008910 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:38:19 -0500 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 12:38:19 -0600 From: "Rock" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] need shell script routine Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:38:15 -0500 Message-ID: <003a01c3ece0$624033b0$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.3, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_20 -2.60, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE -0.50, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I pick a field out of a read record, say time field and it look like this: 00:01:15 00:02:35 01:06:12 00:56:50 you can make up as much sample data as you feel Is necessary. My issue is the rolling from seconds in excess of 59 and minutes in excess of 59 into the next category ( ie: each 60 seconds add 1 minute to the minutes field total and 60 minutes adds 1 hour to the hour field total. I can write this. I was just wonder if any one had a routine already that I could use. Michael C. Rock Systems, -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Jim Wildman Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 1:12 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] need shell script routine On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Rock wrote: > I need a shell script routine that I can include in my program that adds > time in the format 00:00:00 hours:minutes:seconds for as many as 4 > consecutive records on many different occasions in a very large text > file. > I read in records one at a time and test to see if this is a time > record. If it is the first record in a new series than I start my > counter all over again. > I just don't want to reinvent the wheel at this moment! > How about some sample input and output? Hard to do much without that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim@rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 13:52:29 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16IqTgv029386 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:52:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16IqTFi029385 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:52:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16IqFgv029381 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:52:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16IqESP019442 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:52:14 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16Iq588023690 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:52:06 -0500 Received: from pc (66-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.66]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i16Iq05j020472 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:52:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:51:58 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] need shell script routine In-Reply-To: <003601c3ecd8$05d21150$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: I need a shell script routine that I can include in my program that adds > time in the format 00:00:00 hours:minutes:seconds for as many as 4 > consecutive records on many different occasions in a very large text > file. What do you do if it adds to more than one day? Assuming a form of "1d 23:59:59". I suppose you could do something like #! /bin/pdksh typeset -Z2 TOTAL_SECONDS=0 TOTAL_MINUTES=0 TOTAL_HOURS=0 TOTAL_DAYS=0 for component_time in 1 2 3 4 ; do TOTAL_SECONDS=$((TOTAL_SECONDS + $() )) TOTAL_MINUTES=$((TOTAL_MINUTES + $() )) TOTAL_HOURS=$((TOTAL_HOURS + $() )) && break done while [[ $TOTAL_SECONDS -ge 60 ]] ; do TOTAL_MINUTES=$((TOTAL_MINUTES + 1)) done while [[ $TOTAL_MINUTES -ge 60 ]] ; do TOTAL_HOURS=$((TOTAL_HOURS + 1)) done while [[ $TOTAL_HOURS -ge 24 ]] ; do TOTAL_DAYS=$((TOTAL_DAYS + 1)) done prefix= [[ $TOTAL_DAYS -gt 0 ]] && prefix="$TOTAL_DAYSd" echo "$prefix TOTAL_HOURS:TOTAL_MINUTES:TOTAL_SECONDS" exit 0 I'm sure this can be done in bash, but I didn't know how to do "typeset -Z2" in bash. This is untested; caveat lector. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Hi! I'm a .sig virus! 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 14:21:18 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16JLHgv029672 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:21:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16JLHah029671 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:21:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16JLHgv029667 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:21:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16JLGSR020387 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:21:17 -0500 Received: from scruffy.austintheen.com (pcp840396pcs.venice01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.177.140]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16JL988025692 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:21:10 -0500 Received: from bender.austintheen.com (bender.austintheen.com [192.168.1.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by scruffy.austintheen.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0F434DC5 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:21:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] ssh style vpn? From: Austin Theen To: Slug Content-Type: text/plain Organization: High Gear Solutions Message-Id: <1076094638.6707.8.camel@bender.austintheen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:10:38 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-8, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, USER_AGENT_XIMIAN -2.71) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net any ssh fiends know if it's possible to use SSH to connect to computers behind a firewall? Here's the scenario: Internet <-> Linksys FW <-> Linux SSHD <-> VNC Server the linksys router has port 22 open to the linux box, and I'm trying to see how ssh can be used to allow me to access the VNC clients through the firewall without opening port 5900. from the man page it says I can forward ports and something about -g allowing remote hosts to connect to local forwarded ports. is this possible? or do i have to do a vpn? -- Austin Theen, Freelance Network Engineer High Gear Solutions Linux | Windows | Mac OS/X | Networks | Internet | Databases Office (941) 492-6111 368 Briarwood Road, Venice, FL 34293 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 14:45:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16Jjkgv029863 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:45:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16JjkCm029862 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:45:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16Jjegv029858 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:45:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16JjeSP021167 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:45:40 -0500 Received: from mail7.atl.registeredsite.com (mail7.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.81]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16JjN2r017760 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:45:23 -0500 Received: from stewartsigns.com (capricornus.hosting4u.net [209.35.191.104]) by mail7.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i16JjMuk018163 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:45:22 -0500 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:45:22 -0600 From: "Rock" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] need shell script routine Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:45:23 -0500 Message-ID: <003e01c3ece9$c2fa1410$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.4, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE -0.50, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE -0.49) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eban, Thank you for the assistance. Michael -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Eben King Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 1:52 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] need shell script routine On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Rock wrote: > I need a shell script routine that I can include in my program that adds > time in the format 00:00:00 hours:minutes:seconds for as many as 4 > consecutive records on many different occasions in a very large text > file. What do you do if it adds to more than one day? Assuming a form of "1d 23:59:59". I suppose you could do something like #! /bin/pdksh typeset -Z2 TOTAL_SECONDS=0 TOTAL_MINUTES=0 TOTAL_HOURS=0 TOTAL_DAYS=0 for component_time in 1 2 3 4 ; do TOTAL_SECONDS=$((TOTAL_SECONDS + $() )) TOTAL_MINUTES=$((TOTAL_MINUTES + $() )) TOTAL_HOURS=$((TOTAL_HOURS + $() )) && break done while [[ $TOTAL_SECONDS -ge 60 ]] ; do TOTAL_MINUTES=$((TOTAL_MINUTES + 1)) done while [[ $TOTAL_MINUTES -ge 60 ]] ; do TOTAL_HOURS=$((TOTAL_HOURS + 1)) done while [[ $TOTAL_HOURS -ge 24 ]] ; do TOTAL_DAYS=$((TOTAL_DAYS + 1)) done prefix= [[ $TOTAL_DAYS -gt 0 ]] && prefix="$TOTAL_DAYSd" echo "$prefix TOTAL_HOURS:TOTAL_MINUTES:TOTAL_SECONDS" exit 0 I'm sure this can be done in bash, but I didn't know how to do "typeset -Z2" in bash. This is untested; caveat lector. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Hi! I'm a .sig virus! 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 14:53:01 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16Jr1gv029935 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:53:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16Jr1HS029934 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:53:01 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16Jr0gv029930 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:53:00 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16Jr0SP021395 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:53:00 -0500 Received: from nks.net (icb-ws-00.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.12.9/8.12.7/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id i16Jr0Ft008723 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:53:00 -0500 Message-ID: <4023F09B.4060501@nks.net> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:52:59 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh style vpn? References: <1076094638.6707.8.camel@bender.austintheen.com> In-Reply-To: <1076094638.6707.8.camel@bender.austintheen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Austin Theen wrote: > any ssh fiends know if it's possible to use SSH to connect to computers > behind a firewall? Here's the scenario: > > Internet <-> Linksys FW <-> Linux SSHD > <-> VNC Server > > the linksys router has port 22 open to the linux box, and I'm trying to > see how ssh can be used to allow me to access the VNC clients through > the firewall without opening port 5900. > > from the man page it says I can forward ports and something about -g > allowing remote hosts to connect to local forwarded ports. > > is this possible? or do i have to do a vpn? This is simple SSH port redirection. You can either forward local connections to a remote machine (-L), or remote connections to a local machine (-R), ie: localhost$ ssh -L 5900:vncserver:5900 linksys This tells your ssh client on your machine on the Internet somewhere to listen locally to port 5900, and when something connects - tell the remote sshd to connect to "vncserver" on port 5900. If you have an Xvnc session running on your Linux box, you can use "localhost" instead of the "vncserver". SSH port redirection is an incredibly useful thing to master. -- - Ian C. Blenke - Director of Service Delivery (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 15:14:29 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16KENgv030099 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:14:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16KEN29030098 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:14:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16KEMgv030094 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:14:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16KEMSP022027 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:14:22 -0500 Received: from dallas.utilpart.com (67.104.161.74.ptr.us.xo.net [67.104.161.74]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16KEC2r019562 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:14:13 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1NZSGN27>; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:04:52 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD3C8@dallas.utilpart.com> From: wchast@utilpart.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Chance to Promote LINUX. Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:52:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.2, required 7, BAYES_30 -0.93, NO_REAL_NAME 1.15) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks, The church I attend wants to upgrade their computers, the pastor asked me to look at what would be needed to do so. I of course am going to offer as first choice a network of LINUX boxes with the software that will replace MS Office (Open Office, Star Office, what ever it takes) and the other stuff that they use. Can I get some recommendations here as to what machines, most of what they do are just word processing, some spread sheets and a bit of image work. They are looking at replacing 4 machines. I also want to put a file server on the network and be done with it. So looking for input on machines and other software, also distros, I use RH here at home. I thought I would do the same there and since they are most familiar with windows I would use KDE as the desk top to make the transisition easier. This is a volunteer thing so I am not getting any remuneration for it. Just a chance to get LINUX in front of more people. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Hast Telecomms Consultant, Utility Partners. WEB www.utilpart.com Office number: 813.282.8828 x 1175 C-phone number: 813.765.6743 E-mail: wchast@utilpart.com SMS < 150 characters: 8137656743@mobile.att.net ARS KP4DJT To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 15:16:46 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16KGfgv030122 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:16:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16KGaJF030121 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:16:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16KGZgv030117 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:16:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16KGVSR022103 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:16:35 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (236-42.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.42.236]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16KGK88029136 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:16:20 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bard.sytes.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5ED7071849 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:26:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 129.41.55.200 (SquirrelMail authenticated user levi) by bard.sytes.net with HTTP; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:26:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <65521.129.41.55.200.1076099217.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <003a01c3ece0$624033b0$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> References: <003a01c3ece0$624033b0$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:26:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: [SLUG] need shell script routine From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.6, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, IN_REP_TO -0.37, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.44, REFERENCES -0.00, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net My contribution. Just keeps adding any hours over 24 to the total hours, so that a valid result might be 423:15:58. -- # Adds up all times and prints the total # Accepts arguments as valid times in the form of hh:mm:ss # Prints result on stdout function addtimes { totaltime=(00 00 00) for i in "$@" do newtime=(`echo "$i" | awk -F : '{ print $1" "$2" "$3 }'`) totaltime[2]=$(( ${totaltime[2]} + ${newtime[2]} )) if [[ ${totaltime[2]} -gt 59 ]]; then totaltime[1]=$(( ${totaltime[1]} + 1 )) totaltime[2]=$(( ${totaltime[2]} - 60 )) fi totaltime[1]=$(( ${totaltime[1]} + ${newtime[1]} )) if [[ ${totaltime[1]} -gt 59 ]]; then totaltime[0]=$(( ${totaltime[0]} + 1 )) totaltime[1]=$(( ${totaltime[1]} - 60 )) fi totaltime[0]=$(( ${totaltime[0]} + ${newtime[0]} )) # if [[ ${totaltime[0]} -gt 23 ]]; then # totaltime[0]=$(( ${totaltime[0]} - 24 )) # fi done echo "${totaltime[0]}:${totaltime[1]}:${totaltime[2]}" } ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 15:27:22 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16KRMgv030234 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:27:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16KRG5Q030233 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:27:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16KRGgv030229 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:27:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16KRASP022487 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:27:10 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (236-42.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.42.236]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16KR488029885 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:27:04 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bard.sytes.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F10CE71849 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 129.41.55.200 (SquirrelMail authenticated user levi) by bard.sytes.net with HTTP; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:37:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <28987.129.41.55.200.1076099863.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD3C8@dallas.utilpart.com> References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD3C8@dallas.utilpart.com> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:37:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Chance to Promote LINUX. From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, IN_REP_TO -0.37, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.44, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Can I get some recommendations here as to what machines, most of > what they do are just word processing, some spread sheets and a > bit of image work. > > They are looking at replacing 4 machines. I also want to put a > file server on the network and be done with it. > > So looking for input on machines and other software, also distros, > I use RH here at home. I thought I would do the same there and since > they are most familiar with windows I would use KDE as the desk top > to make the transisition easier. You can build some decent AthlonXP workstations in the $300 range, load KDE, OOo, maybe Abiword and Gnumeric, the Gimp, or whatever. If you are going to use KDE, I'd suggest not skimping on the RAM. ICEWM is a lighter alternative, and it's pretty windowslike. As far as distro, you're probably best off with whatever you're familiar with. Requirements aren't very heavy on the file server - all it needs are a big disk, a network card, and enough speed to put the data onto the line at a reasonable rate. If this is too vague, poke me with a sharp stick and I'll get more specific. Levi ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 15:39:07 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16Kd2gv030320 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:39:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16Kd1ka030319 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:39:01 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16Kctgv030315 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:38:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16KctSP022812 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:38:55 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16Kck88030533 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:38:46 -0500 Received: from pc (66-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.66]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i16Kci5j008049 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:38:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:38:42 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] need shell script routine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: #! /bin/pdksh > typeset -Z2 TOTAL_SECONDS=0 TOTAL_MINUTES=0 TOTAL_HOURS=0 > TOTAL_DAYS=0 > > for component_time in 1 2 3 4 ; do > TOTAL_SECONDS=$((TOTAL_SECONDS + $() )) > TOTAL_MINUTES=$((TOTAL_MINUTES + $() )) > TOTAL_HOURS=$((TOTAL_HOURS + $() )) > && break > done > > while [[ $TOTAL_SECONDS -ge 60 ]] ; do > TOTAL_MINUTES=$((TOTAL_MINUTES + 1)) TOTAL_SECONDS=$((TOTAL_SECONDS - 60) > done > > while [[ $TOTAL_MINUTES -ge 60 ]] ; do > TOTAL_HOURS=$((TOTAL_HOURS + 1)) TOTAL_MINUTES=$((TOTAL_MINUTES - 60)) > done > > while [[ $TOTAL_HOURS -ge 24 ]] ; do > TOTAL_DAYS=$((TOTAL_DAYS + 1)) TOTAL_HOURS=$((TOTAL_HOURS - 24)) > done > > prefix= > [[ $TOTAL_DAYS -gt 0 ]] && prefix="$TOTAL_DAYSd" > > echo "$prefix TOTAL_HOURS:TOTAL_MINUTES:TOTAL_SECONDS" > exit 0 -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!" 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 15:45:33 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16KjXgv030385 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:45:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16KjWT1030384 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:45:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16KjWgv030380 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:45:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16KjWSP023027 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:45:32 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16KjI88030923 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:45:18 -0500 Received: from pc (66-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.66]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i16KjG1d004647 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:45:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:45:14 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: Slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh style vpn? In-Reply-To: <1076094638.6707.8.camel@bender.austintheen.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: any ssh fiends know if it's possible to use SSH to connect to computers > behind a firewall? I do it transparently with mine, so that from the outside you can do ssh my.router's.ip.address -l user and log into my machine, which is behind the router. My router (USR 8054) calls it a "virtual server" (~like the server lives on the router); in effect it's port forwarding. I have the router forward all packets to port 22 to 192.168.1.11 . This works for ssh, scp, or anything tunneled through ssh (X, for instance). -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Ben Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 15:50:33 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16KoXgv030444 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:50:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16KoXOt030443 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:50:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16KoWgv030439 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:50:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16KoWSP023198 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:50:32 -0500 Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp1.ij.net [207.100.203.149]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i16KoL88031241 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:50:21 -0500 Received: (qmail 36576 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 20:50:19 -0000 Received: from adsl-87-201.adsl.ij.net (HELO ij.net) (209.216.87.201) by smtp1-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 20:50:19 -0000 Message-ID: <4023FE0B.4080207@ij.net> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:50:19 -0500 From: Scott Piper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031107 Debian/1.5-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Chance to Promote LINUX. References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD3C8@dallas.utilpart.com> In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD3C8@dallas.utilpart.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.6, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I would use the Linux Terminal Server Project (http://www.ltsp.org) and have a server machine with gobs of cheap ram and then diskless workstations cobbled together with a cheap all in one MB in a case. It shouldn't cost too much to accomplish. scott wchast@utilpart.com wrote: >Folks, >The church I attend wants to upgrade their computers, the pastor >asked me to look at what would be needed to do so. I of course >am going to offer as first choice a network of LINUX boxes with >the software that will replace MS Office (Open Office, Star Office, >what ever it takes) and the other stuff that they use. > >Can I get some recommendations here as to what machines, most of >what they do are just word processing, some spread sheets and a >bit of image work. > >They are looking at replacing 4 machines. I also want to put a >file server on the network and be done with it. > >So looking for input on machines and other software, also distros, >I use RH here at home. I thought I would do the same there and since >they are most familiar with windows I would use KDE as the desk top >to make the transisition easier. > >This is a volunteer thing so I am not getting any remuneration for >it. Just a chance to get LINUX in front of more people. > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Chuck Hast >Telecomms Consultant, Utility Partners. >WEB www.utilpart.com >Office number: 813.282.8828 x 1175 >C-phone number: 813.765.6743 >E-mail: wchast@utilpart.com >SMS < 150 characters: 8137656743@mobile.att.net >ARS KP4DJT > >To paraphrase my flight instructor; >"the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out >and >having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted >metal." > > > > >***************************************************************** >This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is >addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify >the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and >remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 16:14:23 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16LENgv030612 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:14:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16LEMCV030611 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:14:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16LEGgv030607 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:14:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16LEGSR023931 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:14:16 -0500 Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16LDv2r023331 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:13:57 -0500 Received: from user-12hchqi.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.71.82] helo=elkenserver.net) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ApDIS-0000B4-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:13:56 -0800 Message-ID: <402403F7.4090205@elkenserver.net> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 21:15:35 +0000 From: Joey Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Chance to Promote LINUX. References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD3C8@dallas.utilpart.com> <4023FE0B.4080207@ij.net> In-Reply-To: <4023FE0B.4080207@ij.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.9, required 7, BAYES_20 -2.60, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You could use slackware on the old boxes and it would work great if they must get new boxes I would ask that you could get them and put them to some use and of you can I could. Setup slack on the server. -Joey Scott Piper wrote: > I would use the Linux Terminal Server Project (http://www.ltsp.org) > and have a server machine with gobs of cheap ram and then diskless > workstations cobbled together with a cheap all in one MB in a case. > It shouldn't cost too much to accomplish. > > scott > > wchast@utilpart.com wrote: > >> Folks, >> The church I attend wants to upgrade their computers, the pastor >> asked me to look at what would be needed to do so. I of course >> am going to offer as first choice a network of LINUX boxes with >> the software that will replace MS Office (Open Office, Star Office, >> what ever it takes) and the other stuff that they use. >> >> Can I get some recommendations here as to what machines, most of >> what they do are just word processing, some spread sheets and a >> bit of image work. >> >> They are looking at replacing 4 machines. I also want to put a >> file server on the network and be done with it. >> >> So looking for input on machines and other software, also distros, >> I use RH here at home. I thought I would do the same there and since >> they are most familiar with windows I would use KDE as the desk top >> to make the transisition easier. >> >> This is a volunteer thing so I am not getting any remuneration for >> it. Just a chance to get LINUX in front of more people. >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Chuck Hast >> Telecomms Consultant, Utility Partners. >> WEB www.utilpart.com >> Office number: 813.282.8828 x 1175 >> C-phone number: 813.765.6743 >> E-mail: wchast@utilpart.com >> SMS < 150 characters: 8137656743@mobile.att.net >> ARS KP4DJT >> >> To paraphrase my flight instructor; >> "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my >> going out >> and >> having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted >> metal." >> >> >> >> >> ***************************************************************** >> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are >> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is >> addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please >> notify >> the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have >> printed and >> remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, >> conclusions >> and other information in this message that do not relate to the official >> business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither >> given nor >> endorsed by it. >> >> Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com >> ***************************************************************** >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >> Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 16:39:09 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16Ld9gv030803 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:39:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16Ld9HD030802 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:39:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16Ld8gv030798 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:39:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16Ld8SP024704 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:39:08 -0500 Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (h008.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.72]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i16Lcx2r024871 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:38:59 -0500 Received: (cpmta 12125 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 13:38:57 -0800 Received: from 67.8.89.118 (HELO databasepro.net) by smtp.birt.com (209.228.32.72) with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 13:38:57 -0800 X-Sent: 6 Feb 2004 21:38:57 GMT Message-ID: <4024096F.7080001@databasepro.net> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:38:55 -0500 From: "Travis R. Birt" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030708 Debian/1.3-4.lindows43 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Chance to Promote LINUX. References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD3C8@dallas.utilpart.com> In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD3C8@dallas.utilpart.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.9, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Lindows is aimed at newbies, they even have several church related things in CNR. They also have several Reverends on the forums already using it in their churches. So they would even have a forum where people are doing the same sort of stuff that they can compare notes with. Just a suggestion. Lindows has won over several people that I had been trying to move to Linux where other distros failed. So it is well received by newbies. With CNR they could install things on their own easily. They also end up with multiple resources for support that way. Where many of the completely free Linux Distros have very limited support options. I would use something else for the server, if you are familar with Redhat, that would be a good way to go on the server in my opinion. Lots of affordable Lindows boxes available all over anymore. They could order as much or as little per machine as they want. Anything over 800Mhz and 512mb Ram should run pretty speedy for mostany thing they want to do. Travis wchast@utilpart.com wrote: >Folks, >The church I attend wants to upgrade their computers, the pastor >asked me to look at what would be needed to do so. I of course >am going to offer as first choice a network of LINUX boxes with >the software that will replace MS Office (Open Office, Star Office, >what ever it takes) and the other stuff that they use. > >Can I get some recommendations here as to what machines, most of >what they do are just word processing, some spread sheets and a >bit of image work. > >They are looking at replacing 4 machines. I also want to put a >file server on the network and be done with it. > >So looking for input on machines and other software, also distros, >I use RH here at home. I thought I would do the same there and since >they are most familiar with windows I would use KDE as the desk top >to make the transisition easier. > >This is a volunteer thing so I am not getting any remuneration for >it. Just a chance to get LINUX in front of more people. > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Chuck Hast >Telecomms Consultant, Utility Partners. >WEB www.utilpart.com >Office number: 813.282.8828 x 1175 >C-phone number: 813.765.6743 >E-mail: wchast@utilpart.com >SMS < 150 characters: 8137656743@mobile.att.net >ARS KP4DJT > >To paraphrase my flight instructor; >"the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out >and >having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted >metal." > > > > >***************************************************************** >This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is >addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify >the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and >remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions >and other information in this message that do not relate to the official >business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor >endorsed by it. > >Visit us on the web at http://www.utilpart.com >***************************************************************** > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 16:41:18 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16LfIgv030842 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:41:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16LfIpg030841 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:41:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16LfHgv030837 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:41:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16LfHSP024792 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:41:17 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (236-42.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.42.236]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16Lf32r025041 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:41:03 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bard.sytes.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B1BB71849 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 129.41.55.200 (SquirrelMail authenticated user levi) by bard.sytes.net with HTTP; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:51:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <62803.129.41.55.200.1076104301.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:51:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] single vs. dual From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.3, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.44, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net What are some general thoughts about dual processors vs single in a workstation? For instance, dual Opteron 242 @ 1.6 GHz vs a single Athlon64 FX @ 3 GHz (if one was available and the prices were similar)? On the one hand, if you have many cpu-bound processes/threads, the smp machine effectively has 3.2GHz of processing power with double the cache of the uniprocessor, but OTOH, any single process/thread can only leverage 1.6GHz and 1MB of cache for itself. Just rambling and looking for input. Levi -- You always know the creative because it is revealed openly. Concealment betrays the existence of another force entirely. --Leto II ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 16:57:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16Lvdgv030960 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:57:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16LvdHN030959 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:57:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16Lvcgv030955 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:57:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16LvcSP025277 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:57:38 -0500 Received: from vincent.bish.net ([209.241.232.100]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16LvV2r026036 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:57:31 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by vincent.bish.net with esmtp (Cipher TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ApDyB-0001cP-00 for ; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:57:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:57:03 -0500 (EST) From: mark@bish.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Sarasota Meeting Canceled for Feb Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.9, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, NO_REAL_NAME 1.15, USER_AGENT_PINE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Alex wasn't able to fill in for me since I will be somewhere in the Carribean. Feel free to have an Unofficial Official Sarasota Meeting. See you guys in March. Make sure someone tells the USF professor - I don't think he is subscribed to the list. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 16:57:59 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16Lvxgv030967 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:57:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16LvxSM030966 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:57:59 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16Lvwgv030962 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:57:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16LvwSP025288 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:57:58 -0500 Received: from scruffy.austintheen.com (pcp840396pcs.venice01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.177.140]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16Lvh2r026050 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:57:47 -0500 Received: from bender.austintheen.com (bender.austintheen.com [192.168.1.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by scruffy.austintheen.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E6034DC5 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:57:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh style vpn? From: Austin Theen To: Slug In-Reply-To: <4023F09B.4060501@nks.net> References: <1076094638.6707.8.camel@bender.austintheen.com> <4023F09B.4060501@nks.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: High Gear Solutions Message-Id: <1076104031.6709.25.camel@bender.austintheen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:47:11 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-8.6, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_XIMIAN -2.71) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2004-02-06 at 14:52, Ian Blenke wrote: > Austin Theen wrote: > > any ssh fiends know if it's possible to use SSH to connect to computers > > behind a firewall? Here's the scenario: > > > > Internet <-> Linksys FW <-> Linux SSHD > > <-> VNC Server > > > > the linksys router has port 22 open to the linux box, and I'm trying to > > see how ssh can be used to allow me to access the VNC clients through > > the firewall without opening port 5900. > > > > from the man page it says I can forward ports and something about -g > > allowing remote hosts to connect to local forwarded ports. > > > > is this possible? or do i have to do a vpn? > > This is simple SSH port redirection. You can either forward local > connections to a remote machine (-L), or remote connections to a local > machine (-R), ie: > > localhost$ ssh -L 5900:vncserver:5900 linksys > > This tells your ssh client on your machine on the Internet somewhere to > listen locally to port 5900, and when something connects - tell the > remote sshd to connect to "vncserver" on port 5900. > > If you have an Xvnc session running on your Linux box, you can use > "localhost" instead of the "vncserver". > > SSH port redirection is an incredibly useful thing to master. this may very nearly work. I need to have ssh establish a tunnel over the Internet from my home workstation to this remote server, allowing me to connect to hosts behind a firewall on the remote server's network. when I try to connect using ssh -L 5900:remote:5900 localhost it binds my port 5900 to the remote server's 5900 (which isn't running vnc, doesn't even have X installed). There is this -G switch in ssh that says it allows connections from other hosts to use the SSH tunnel, but I am unclear if this switch will allow traffic to be destined for another host on the far side of a tunnel. -- Austin Theen, Freelance Network Engineer High Gear Solutions Linux | Windows | Mac OS/X | Networks | Internet | Databases Office (941) 492-6111 368 Briarwood Road, Venice, FL 34293 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 17:27:08 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16MQxgv031212 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:27:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16MQxCL031211 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:26:59 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16MQwgv031207 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:26:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16MQwST026508 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:26:58 -0500 Received: from nolab.conman.org (user72.209.42.38.dsli.com [209.42.38.72] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16MQh88005303 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:26:44 -0500 Received: by nolab.conman.org (Postfix, from userid 1006) id CDADFF9A; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nolab.conman.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABC51782 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:26:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:26:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew M. Hoerter" X-X-Sender: amh@kwalitee.nolab.conman.org To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] single vs. dual In-Reply-To: <62803.129.41.55.200.1076104301.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> Message-ID: References: <62803.129.41.55.200.1076104301.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-6.3, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_PINE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Levi Bard wrote: > What are some general thoughts about dual processors vs single in a > workstation? If you're running a heavily multithreaded desktop environment, SMP would likely win out as to interactive response, provided the speed difference between the SMP and UP systems isn't too vast. At a certain point having one really fast CPU will beat out having multiple threads executing simultaneously, but more slowly. Where that point lies would have to be determined through a practical comparison I suppose. The other situation where having multiple CPUs is nice, is the case where you have a lot of device interrupts to field and process. This is probably a non-issue for a workstation, but servers with lots of disk and network devices tend to have a high interrupt load that bogs down a single CPU. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 18:30:28 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16NUFgv031688 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:30:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16NUEvJ031687 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:30:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16NUEgv031683 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:30:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16NUESP028483 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:30:14 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16NTu2r032617 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:29:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 3876 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2004 23:29:56 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2004 23:29:56 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ApFPS-0007gY-00 for ; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:29:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:29:11 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Job Postings Message-ID: <20040206232911.GB25290@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.4, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.84, USER_AGENT_MUTT -2.80) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks: People have been telling me that they've been sending job offerings to the website, but I wasn't getting them. NKS has just debugged this, so there are a raft of job offerings up there now. For those of you who submitted more than one of the same thing (because I said I wasn't getting them), I've left the duplicates in place. So if you're in need of work or want to move up to something better (maybe), have a look at: http://www.suncoastlug.org/jobs.html Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 18:49:32 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16NnWgv031812 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:49:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i16NnWbO031811 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:49:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16NnQgv031807 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:49:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i16NnQSP029017 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:49:26 -0500 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i16NnI2r000983 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:49:18 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955918pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.98]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2004020623491701600f68r7e>; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:49:17 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1ApFhb-0005I8-00 for ; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:48:03 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] 2.6.2 Kernel From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-V7Xu2stKhvTm0xEE0bTj" Message-Id: <1076111283.15329.321.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:48:03 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-9.9, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.64, PGP_SIGNATURE_2 -2.21, USER_AGENT_XIMIAN -2.71) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-V7Xu2stKhvTm0xEE0bTj Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Slugadonia! Thursday morning, I downloaded and compiled the 2.6.2 kernel source on my experimental box. My experimental box runs Debian Sid, Pentium III etc. etc. blah blah. That said, I was wondering if anyone else is running the shiny new "stable" kernel. I do not notice much difference, workstation wise, from the 2.4.24 kernel. Open Office 1.1 still opens as slow as it did with 2.4.24. I use Gnome 2.4 with Sawfish and it still runs as smooth as ever, but what appears to me to be the same speed. The only physical difference I have noticed is the xscreensaver, "Sphere" runs about 10 times faster than before. One good thing, I must note about this switch over, is I haven't had any Oopses, yet, like I did when I switched from 2.2 to 2.4. What have you guys seen? The Logan --=20 18:35:01 up 30 days, 22:33, 4 users, load average: 0.26, 0.65, 0.66 Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning? -- George W. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 19:54:40 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i170segv032290 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:54:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i170senM032289 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:54:40 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i170sdgv032285 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:54:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i170sdSP030749 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:54:39 -0500 Received: from server109.anhosting.com (server109.anhosting.com [205.243.144.67]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i170sU2r004483 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:54:30 -0500 Received: from 6532249hfc153.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.249.153] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ApGjv-0006It-R7 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:54:31 -0600 From: Steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 2.6.2 Kernel Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 19:54:26 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <1076111283.15329.321.camel@sirus> In-Reply-To: <1076111283.15329.321.camel@sirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402061954.26451.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.anhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.4, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 06 February 2004 06:48 pm, Logan Tygart wrote: > Hello Slugadonia! > Thursday morning, I downloaded and compiled the 2.6.2 kernel source > on my experimental box. My experimental box runs Debian Sid, Pentium > III etc. etc. blah blah. > That said, I was wondering if anyone else is running the shiny new > "stable" kernel. I do not notice much difference, workstation wise, > from the 2.4.24 kernel. Open Office 1.1 still opens as slow as it > did with 2.4.24. I use Gnome 2.4 with Sawfish and it still runs as > smooth as ever, but what appears to me to be the same speed. The > only physical difference I have noticed is the xscreensaver, "Sphere" > runs about 10 times faster than before. > One good thing, I must note about this switch over, is I haven't had > any Oopses, yet, like I did when I switched from 2.2 to 2.4. > What have you guys seen? > > The Logan Maybe your hard drive is not running at a decent speed. This would make all the difference. Especially loading OO. Run hdparm -tT /dev/hda (or whatever is your drive) My numbers are something like 580MB from cache and shy of 50MB from disk. When I start OO it's up in 7 seconds flat. (They are 133MHz). -- Steve __________________________________________________ You actually need to constantly be alert and willing to handle things, or life will find a way to get you good! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 20:30:01 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i171U1gv032547 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:30:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i171U1mm032546 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:30:01 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i171Ttgv032542 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:29:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i171TpSP031753 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:29:55 -0500 Received: from dallas.utilpart.com (67.104.161.74.ptr.us.xo.net [67.104.161.74]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i171Ti2r006561 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:29:45 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1NZWA4DT>; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:28:17 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD3D0@dallas.utilpart.com> From: wchast@utilpart.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Chance to Promote LINUX. Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 20:28:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.7, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_20 -2.60, NO_REAL_NAME 1.15) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks, So far a lot of good points and info. I see that there appears to be a good following on the WalMart boxes. As to your questions and concerns Matt, I have some additional help in the form of a fellow who already runs Mac OS-X, he is interested in anything that can even remotelly look and act like OS-X and wants to learn LINUX, he is quite willing to help. There are two others who are also interested in learning and helping maintain the system. Talking to the church secretary she seems to understand that we are looking at Windows alternatives and appears to be quite interested in seeing what alternatives are out there. She said that just so long as she can continue to do her word processing even if she has to learn some new processor as long as it is not too obscure she is game. I think we can pull it off, and also keep things pretty calm. I am also worried because I am continually finding software that has not been licenced on the machines, I have told them about the issues with pirated software so there is additional interest to have machines that are not so open to people loading any software on them. Keep the info rolling folks, I will go at each of you as I need to answer questons. ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 22:26:29 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i173QTgv000921 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:26:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i173QSir000920 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:26:28 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i173QSgv000916 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:26:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i173QSSP002704 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:26:28 -0500 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i173QN2r013406 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:26:24 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955918pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.98]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <200402070326230130074r4ae>; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 03:26:23 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1ApJ5g-000625-00 for ; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 22:25:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] 2.6.2 Kernel From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200402061954.26451.steve@szmidt.org> References: <1076111283.15329.321.camel@sirus> <200402061954.26451.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-9ntOuUBhovyN1JWlGXlr" Message-Id: <1076124307.15325.327.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 22:25:08 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-10.5, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.64, IN_REP_TO -0.37, PGP_SIGNATURE_2 -2.21, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_XIMIAN -2.71) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-9ntOuUBhovyN1JWlGXlr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2004-02-06 at 19:54, Steve wrote: > On Friday 06 February 2004 06:48 pm, Logan Tygart wrote: > > Hello Slugadonia! > > Thursday morning, I downloaded and compiled the 2.6.2 kernel source > > on my experimental box. My experimental box runs Debian Sid, Pentium > > III etc. etc. blah blah. > > That said, I was wondering if anyone else is running the shiny new > > "stable" kernel. I do not notice much difference, workstation wise, > > from the 2.4.24 kernel. Open Office 1.1 still opens as slow as it > > did with 2.4.24. I use Gnome 2.4 with Sawfish and it still runs as > > smooth as ever, but what appears to me to be the same speed. The > > only physical difference I have noticed is the xscreensaver, "Sphere" > > runs about 10 times faster than before. > > One good thing, I must note about this switch over, is I haven't had > > any Oopses, yet, like I did when I switched from 2.2 to 2.4. > > What have you guys seen? > > > > The Logan >=20 > Maybe your hard drive is not running at a decent speed. This would make=20 > all the difference. Especially loading OO. >=20 > Run hdparm -tT /dev/hda (or whatever is your drive) >=20 > My numbers are something like 580MB from cache and shy of 50MB from=20 > disk. When I start OO it's up in 7 seconds flat. (They are 133MHz). Nah, I thought about that too and tweaked it out, my drive is screaming. I think it might be my JRE, but I am not worried about it as OO runs very fast after it initially starts. But my question was not about my HD it was about kernel performance. =3D) The Logan --=20 22:20:01 up 31 days, 2:18, 4 users, load average: 0.06, 0.45, 0.74 War is God's way of teaching Americans about geography. -- Ambrose Bierce Registered Linux User 277727 ICQ 72101412 --=-9ntOuUBhovyN1JWlGXlr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAJFqT3OecGqSbkyMRAn+SAKCR+k5KFiVtNoGy0DTJqQtd2mFjWQCgv4Jy F7e6XSTRlY/wP1YIHtpYfDo= =sIHv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-9ntOuUBhovyN1JWlGXlr-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 22:33:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i173X0gv000983 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:33:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i173WxSV000982 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:32:59 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i173Wxgv000978 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:32:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i173WwSP002878 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:32:59 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i173Wk2r013740 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:32:47 -0500 Received: (qmail 17511 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 03:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 03:32:45 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:32:45 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20040205123232.7331F2B2B0C@ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com> <20040205231204.GC11727@quillandmouse.com> <007501c3ecba$252108e0$3249490a@test01> In-Reply-To: <007501c3ecba$252108e0$3249490a@test01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402062232.45412.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-6.1, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.64, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_KMAIL -0.47) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 06 February 2004 09:04 am, you wrote: > I haven't seen anyone ask how this e-mail address could even work, > since there is no TLD (.com; .org; etc) appended to it. > > > > > An email was sent to T. Ufer at his address of record > > > > (tufer@righttobeararms) and according to mail records was delivered. > > > > I It appears probable to me that the OP typed in the address and overlooked the TLD portion. -- 22:31:32 up 31 days, 23:13, 3 users, load average: 0.49, 0.23, 0.19 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 6 23:58:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i174whgv001592 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:58:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i174whP7001591 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:58:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i174wggv001587 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:58:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i174wgSP005140 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:58:42 -0500 Received: from scruffy.austintheen.com (pcp840396pcs.venice01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.177.140]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i174wQ88027514 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:58:26 -0500 Received: from bender.austintheen.com (bender.austintheen.com [192.168.1.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by scruffy.austintheen.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B456834DC5 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:58:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh style vpn? From: Austin Theen To: Slug In-Reply-To: <1076104031.6709.25.camel@bender.austintheen.com> References: <1076094638.6707.8.camel@bender.austintheen.com> <4023F09B.4060501@nks.net> <1076104031.6709.25.camel@bender.austintheen.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: High Gear Solutions Message-Id: <1076129268.6709.407.camel@bender.austintheen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 23:47:48 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-8.7, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_XIMIAN -2.71) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2004-02-06 at 16:47, Austin Theen wrote: > On Fri, 2004-02-06 at 14:52, Ian Blenke wrote: > > Austin Theen wrote: > > > any ssh fiends know if it's possible to use SSH to connect to computers > > > behind a firewall? Here's the scenario: > > > > > > Internet <-> Linksys FW <-> Linux SSHD > > > <-> VNC Server > > > > > > the linksys router has port 22 open to the linux box, and I'm trying to > > > see how ssh can be used to allow me to access the VNC clients through > > > the firewall without opening port 5900. > > > > > > from the man page it says I can forward ports and something about -g > > > allowing remote hosts to connect to local forwarded ports. > > > > > > is this possible? or do i have to do a vpn? > > > > This is simple SSH port redirection. You can either forward local > > connections to a remote machine (-L), or remote connections to a local > > machine (-R), ie: > > > > localhost$ ssh -L 5900:vncserver:5900 linksys > > > > This tells your ssh client on your machine on the Internet somewhere to > > listen locally to port 5900, and when something connects - tell the > > remote sshd to connect to "vncserver" on port 5900. > > > > If you have an Xvnc session running on your Linux box, you can use > > "localhost" instead of the "vncserver". > > > > SSH port redirection is an incredibly useful thing to master. > > this may very nearly work. > > I need to have ssh establish a tunnel over the Internet from my home > workstation to this remote server, allowing me to connect to hosts > behind a firewall on the remote server's network. > > when I try to connect using ssh -L 5900:remote:5900 localhost it binds > my port 5900 to the remote server's 5900 (which isn't running vnc, > doesn't even have X installed). > > There is this -G switch in ssh that says it allows connections from > other hosts to use the SSH tunnel, but I am unclear if this switch will > allow traffic to be destined for another host on the far side of a > tunnel. OK! I got some good news! I managed to get a connection established over the ssh tunnel. Once I understood all the terminology of client and server with respect to the ssh daemon. I don't need to open any other ports besides ssh. the syntax for opening a vnc connection to a host behind a firewall is basically: austin@bender austin $ ssh -N -C -L 5900:firewalled_host:5900 ssh_server austin@bender austin $ vncclient localhost you can also use this to access router administration pages without turning on remote administration in the router. plus it's all encrypted over ssh. :) though you may need root to bind to privileged ports. wow. this is incredibly awesome as a remote administration tool. I can't believe i didn't learn this sooner! Thanks everyone! -- Austin Theen, Freelance Network Engineer High Gear Solutions Linux | Windows | Mac OS/X | Networks | Internet | Databases Office (941) 492-6111 368 Briarwood Road, Venice, FL 34293 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 7 00:55:27 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i175tRgv002017 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 00:55:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i175tQBw002016 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 00:55:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i175tQgv002011 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 00:55:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i175tPSR007126 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 00:55:25 -0500 Received: from server109.anhosting.com (server109.anhosting.com [205.243.144.67]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i175tF88031616 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 00:55:15 -0500 Received: from 6532249hfc153.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.249.153] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ApLQz-0001Mz-Ut for slug@nks.net; Fri, 06 Feb 2004 23:55:18 -0600 From: Steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 2.6.2 Kernel Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 00:55:12 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <1076111283.15329.321.camel@sirus> <200402061954.26451.steve@szmidt.org> <1076124307.15325.327.camel@sirus> In-Reply-To: <1076124307.15325.327.camel@sirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402070055.12003.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.anhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.9, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 06 February 2004 10:25 pm, Logan Tygart wrote: > On Fri, 2004-02-06 at 19:54, Steve wrote: > > On Friday 06 February 2004 06:48 pm, Logan Tygart wrote: > > > Hello Slugadonia! > > > Thursday morning, I downloaded and compiled the 2.6.2 kernel > > > source on my experimental box. My experimental box runs Debian > > > Sid, Pentium III etc. etc. blah blah. > > > That said, I was wondering if anyone else is running the shiny > > > new "stable" kernel. I do not notice much difference, > > > workstation wise, from the 2.4.24 kernel. Open Office 1.1 still > > > opens as slow as it did with 2.4.24. I use Gnome 2.4 with Sawfish > > > and it still runs as smooth as ever, but what appears to me to be > > > the same speed. The only physical difference I have noticed is > > > the xscreensaver, "Sphere" runs about 10 times faster than > > > before. > > > One good thing, I must note about this switch over, is I haven't > > > had any Oopses, yet, like I did when I switched from 2.2 to 2.4. > > > What have you guys seen? > > > > > > The Logan > > > > Maybe your hard drive is not running at a decent speed. This would > > make all the difference. Especially loading OO. > > > > Run hdparm -tT /dev/hda (or whatever is your drive) > > > > My numbers are something like 580MB from cache and shy of 50MB from > > disk. When I start OO it's up in 7 seconds flat. (They are 133MHz). > > Nah, I thought about that too and tweaked it out, my drive is > screaming. I think it might be my JRE, but I am not worried about it > as OO runs very fast after it initially starts. > > But my question was not about my HD it was about kernel performance. > =) > > The Logan I understood this. But sometimes people forget things... -- Steve __________________________________________________ You actually need to constantly be alert and willing to handle things, or life will find a way to get you good! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 7 03:04:14 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1784Egv002940 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 03:04:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1784Exm002939 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 03:04:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1784Dgv002935 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 03:04:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1784DSP011304 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 03:04:13 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1784488007301 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 03:04:05 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 78ACD7F67; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 03:04:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 03:04:04 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] test, ignore this. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 7 23:12:49 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i184Cmgv011595 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:12:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i184CmMe011594 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:12:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i184Cmgv011590 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:12:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i184ClSP014868 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:12:47 -0500 Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (h007.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.71]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i184Cc88014783 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:12:38 -0500 Received: (cpmta 6800 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2004 20:12:37 -0800 Received: from 67.8.89.118 (HELO databasepro.net) by smtp.birt.com (209.228.32.71) with SMTP; 7 Feb 2004 20:12:37 -0800 X-Sent: 8 Feb 2004 04:12:37 GMT Message-ID: <4025B734.7090703@databasepro.net> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 23:12:36 -0500 From: "Travis R. Birt" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030708 Debian/1.3-4.lindows43 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Anyone seen f4l? References: <20040207080404.GA30428@hardison.net> In-Reply-To: <20040207080404.GA30428@hardison.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, IN_REP_TO -0.37, REFERENCES -0.00, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net At the meeting today someone asked me to just post this to the list, Joey maybe? 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 7 23:31:56 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i184Vtgv011763 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:31:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i184Vtm6011762 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:31:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i184Vsgv011758 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:31:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i184VcSP015388 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:31:54 -0500 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i184VP88015807 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:31:26 -0500 Received: (qmail 24917 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 04:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO adonix.typedef.org) (68.56.24.167) by typedef.org with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 04:31:20 -0000 Received: from jcopenha (helo=localhost) by adonix.typedef.org with local-esmtp (Exim 4.21) id 1Apgca-0007H1-R8 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 07 Feb 2004 23:32:40 -0500 Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:32:40 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Copenhaver To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sarasota Meeting Canceled for Feb In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-6.5, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_PINE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hmm.. I missed the last sarasota meeting.. Which professor from USF showed up? Jason On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 mark@bish.net wrote: > > Alex wasn't able to fill in for me since I will be somewhere in the > Carribean. Feel free to have an Unofficial Official Sarasota Meeting. > > See you guys in March. Make sure someone tells the USF professor - I > don't think he is subscribed to the list. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 8 10:02:46 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i18F2kgv016450 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:02:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i18F2jgV016449 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:02:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i18F2jgv016445 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:02:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i18F2iSP004084 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:02:45 -0500 Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i18F2S2r016684 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 10:02:28 -0500 Received: from user-12hchqi.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.71.82] helo=elkenserver.net) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ApqRz-00007V-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 07:02:23 -0800 Message-ID: <40264FE2.7070702@elkenserver.net> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 10:04:02 -0500 From: Joey Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Anyone seen f4l? References: <20040207080404.GA30428@hardison.net> <4025B734.7090703@databasepro.net> In-Reply-To: <4025B734.7090703@databasepro.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.3, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thank you -Joey Travis R. Birt wrote: > At the meeting today someone asked me to just post this to the > list, Joey maybe? Flash for Linux Project with screen shots and > other information. http://f4l.sourceforge.net/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 8 21:53:57 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i192rvgv021435 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 21:53:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i192rvT7021434 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 21:53:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i192rugv021430 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 21:53:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i192ruSP021863 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 21:53:56 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i192rm2r021716 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 21:53:48 -0500 Received: from operations.section-one.us (50-23.73-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.73.23.50]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i192rk5i017423 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 21:53:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug From: "Thomas A. Ufer" To: "Suncoast Linux User's Group" In-Reply-To: <20040205231204.GC11727@quillandmouse.com> References: <20040205123232.7331F2B2B0C@ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com> <200402050810.33673.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> <20040205231204.GC11727@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-11) Date: 08 Feb 2004 21:58:10 -0500 Message-Id: <1076295491.15612.11.camel@nikita.section-one.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-7.6, required 7, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_XIMIAN -2.71) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I just sent Mr. Tomlinson an e-mail explaining that I have not had a righttobeararms account in some time. I also asked him to reconsider his leaving the group. See Paul, it wasn't your fault. ;-) On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 18:12, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:10:33AM -0500, R.G. Mayhue wrote: > > > On Thursday 05 February 2004 07:32 am, david tomlinson wrote: > > > > > > > > > Mr Foster: > > > > > > An email was sent to T. Ufer at his address of record > > > (tufer@righttobeararms) and according to mail records was delivered. I did > > > not send you any mail because previously a reply to you referring to > > > Libranet's new archive was unaswered. > > > > > > Even though adequate time had been given no reply was received from NKS. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > David Tomlinson > > > > Ooop! There goes your raise Paul! ;-) > > > > Yeah, I knew this would end up being my fault, one way or another. ;-} > > Paul > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. -- Tom Ufer President and CEO, Nextwave Computers at The Clearwater Mall 2613 Gulf to Bay, Suite 1680, Clearwater, FL 33759 http://www.nextwavecomputer.com te 1680, Clearwater, FL 33759 http://www.nextwavecomputer.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 8 22:38:53 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i193cmgv021760 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:38:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i193cmKR021759 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:38:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i193clgv021755 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:38:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i193clSP022538 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:38:47 -0500 Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i193cC2r023847 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 22:38:13 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigip1-snat [216.200.145.29]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722D842F6A for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:38:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 126643957; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:38:11 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:38:10 -0800 (PST) From: David Meyer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug X-Originating-Ip: [65.35.152.226] Message-Id: <20040209033811.126643957@sitemail.everyone.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.5, required 7, BAYES_20 -2.60, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET 4.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Please don't...he's been writing to me off-line crying about the fact that I, and others, have seen his posting now, and have not replied with the answer, and then talking all about apathy. Gave me a headache. Imagine that. --- "Thomas A. Ufer" wrote: I just sent Mr. Tomlinson an e-mail explaining that I have not had a righttobeararms account in some time. I also asked him to reconsider his leaving the group. See Paul, it wasn't your fault. ;-) On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 18:12, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:10:33AM -0500, R.G. Mayhue wrote: > > > On Thursday 05 February 2004 07:32 am, david tomlinson wrote: > > > > > > > > > Mr Foster: > > > > > > An email was sent to T. Ufer at his address of record > > > (tufer@righttobeararms) and according to mail records was delivered. I did > > > not send you any mail because previously a reply to you referring to > > > Libranet's new archive was unaswered. > > > > > > Even though adequate time had been given no reply was received from NKS. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > David Tomlinson > > > > Ooop! There goes your raise Paul! ;-) > > > > Yeah, I knew this would end up being my fault, one way or another. ;-} > > Paul > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. -- Tom Ufer President and CEO, Nextwave Computers at The Clearwater Mall 2613 Gulf to Bay, Suite 1680, Clearwater, FL 33759 http://www.nextwavecomputer.com te 1680, Clearwater, FL 33759 http://www.nextwavecomputer.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 8 23:55:46 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i194tkgv022320 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 23:55:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i194tkH2022319 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 23:55:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i194tjgv022315 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 23:55:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i194tTSX023787 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 23:55:45 -0500 Received: from server109.anhosting.com (server109.anhosting.com [205.243.144.67]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i194t92r027456 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2004 23:55:09 -0500 Received: from 6532249hfc153.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.249.153] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Aq3Rp-0006fy-RH for slug@nks.net; Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:55:05 -0600 From: Steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 23:54:59 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <20040209033811.126643957@sitemail.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20040209033811.126643957@sitemail.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402082354.59427.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.anhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.1, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 08 February 2004 10:38 pm, David Meyer wrote: > Please don't...he's been writing to me off-line crying about the fact > that I, and others, have seen his posting now, and have not replied > with the answer, and then talking all about apathy. Gave me a > headache. Imagine that. Maybe it's just me but is sounds like now this thread has gone beyond any semblance of usefulness. I mean, one thing that there was a breakdown in communication. But now it got it's own life, with the seeming purpose to keep this never ending back and forth thing. He misposted, communication was sent that clarified how it should be, and after that it should be over one way or the other. It's sad if he want to leave, especially over this, but for crying out loud, just let him stay or leave. You too David, get over it, please. > --- "Thomas A. Ufer" wrote: > I just sent Mr. Tomlinson an e-mail explaining that I have not had a > righttobeararms account in some time. I also asked him to reconsider > his leaving the group. > > See Paul, it wasn't your fault. ;-) > > On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 18:12, Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:10:33AM -0500, R.G. Mayhue wrote: > > > On Thursday 05 February 2004 07:32 am, david tomlinson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mr Foster: > > > > > > > > An email was sent to T. Ufer at his address of record > > > > (tufer@righttobeararms) and according to mail records was > > > > delivered. I did not send you any mail because previously a > > > > reply to you referring to Libranet's new archive was unaswered. > > > > > > > > Even though adequate time had been given no reply was > > > > received from NKS. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > David Tomlinson > > > > > > Ooop! There goes your raise Paul! ;-) > > > > Yeah, I knew this would end up being my fault, one way or another. > > ;-} > > > > Paul > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >---- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 9 01:24:06 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i196O5gv022977 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:24:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i196O55a022976 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:24:05 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i196Nxgv022968 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:23:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i196NxSR025434 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:23:59 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i196Nf2r000054 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:23:41 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2D2D07EBC; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:23:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:23:41 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Message-ID: <20040209062341.GA7253@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <4021C43F.5090405@elkenserver.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4021C43F.5090405@elkenserver.net> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 01:18:42 up 20 days, 12:33, 7 users, load average: 0.15, 0.27, 0.28 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-7, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, IN_REP_TO -0.37, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00, USER_AGENT_MUTT -2.80) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm 18. I think that I may be the youngest... :) Spake Joey Dale on Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 11:19PM -0500: > Who is the youngest member of SLUG? -- Knowledge, sir, should be free to all! -- Harry Mudd, "I, Mudd", stardate 4513.3 - GPG Fingerprint=D67D 2B75 53C6 9769 30E4 D390 239F C833 F32C F6F6 GPG KeyID=F32CF6F6 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 9 01:29:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i196T9gv023034 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:29:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i196T9NX023033 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:29:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i196T9gv023029 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:29:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i196T9SP025544 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:29:09 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i196Sm2r000402 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:28:48 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BEED97EBC; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:28:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:28:48 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Message-ID: <20040209062848.GC7253@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <4021C43F.5090405@elkenserver.net> <63552.207.87.240.225.1076024876.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <63552.207.87.240.225.1076024876.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 01:18:42 up 20 days, 12:33, 7 users, load average: 0.15, 0.27, 0.28 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-7.5, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MUTT -2.80) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net oh. I'm 0x12 then. Spake Kwan Lowe on Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 06:47PM -0500: > > > Who is the youngest member of SLUG? > > I turned 21 in September of last year. > > > (BTW, I count in HEX). > -- > * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com > * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 9 04:25:39 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i199Pdgv024582 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 04:25:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i199PdSR024581 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 04:25:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i199Pcgv024577 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 04:25:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i199PaSp030943 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 04:25:38 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i196S888003448 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:28:08 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 181B77EBC; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:28:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:28:07 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Message-ID: <20040209062807.GB7253@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <4022E34A.1050301@elkenserver.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4022E34A.1050301@elkenserver.net> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 01:18:42 up 20 days, 12:33, 7 users, load average: 0.15, 0.27, 0.28 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-7.7, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MUTT -2.80) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net 0x15 or decimal 15? Spake Joey Dale on Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 07:43PM -0500: > I'm 15 > > Eben King wrote: > > >On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Kwan Lowe wrote: > > > > > > > >>>Who is the youngest member of SLUG? > >>> > >>> > >>I turned 21 in September of last year. > >> > >> > >>(BTW, I count in HEX). > >> > >> > > > >OK, I guess I'm under 20 then. > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > -- "What terrible way to die." 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 9 04:27:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i199Rggv024606 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 04:27:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i199Rgoh024605 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 04:27:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i199Rfgv024601 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 04:27:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i199RdSf031202 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 04:27:41 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i196um88004306 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:56:48 -0500 Received: (qmail 21528 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2004 06:56:47 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2004 06:56:47 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Aq5L3-0006Ql-00; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 01:56:13 -0500 To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: From: Paul M Foster Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 01:56:13 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.4, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_20 -2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.84) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* TAMPA **************************************************** 11 February 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) Student Services Bldg, Room 108 (note change of room) (to the northeast of the Technology Bldg) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 18 February 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Wednesday of each month) Honeywell 8323 Lindbergh Court Sarasota, FL See http://www.bish.net/directions/ ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 23 February 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) St Petersburg Public Library, Main Branch Auditorium 3745 Ninth Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33713 727-893-7724 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 4 March 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 6 March 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library, 223 Douglas Ave., Community Room B. Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 6 March 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 9 06:34:38 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19BYcgv025507 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 06:34:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i19BYcTc025506 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 06:34:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19BYbgv025502 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 06:34:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19BYbSP003939 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 06:34:37 -0500 Received: from omta06.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i19BYL2r024079 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 06:34:21 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigip1-snat [216.200.145.29]) by omta06.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000DF5CCAB for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 03:32:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 589E1CF34; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 03:32:29 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 03:32:28 -0800 (PST) From: David Meyer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug X-Originating-Ip: [65.35.152.226] Message-Id: <20040209113229.589E1CF34@sitemail.everyone.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.5, required 7, BAYES_20 -2.60, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET 4.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Steve, Please don't take this whole thing too seriously...I'm not. I tried to be civil to him and help him work this out...and out of the blue last night he came at me because I didn't help him. Frankly, I got a kick out of it...guess part wasn't as clear as I had hoped. Consider it dropped. --- Steve wrote: On Sunday 08 February 2004 10:38 pm, David Meyer wrote: > Please don't...he's been writing to me off-line crying about the fact > that I, and others, have seen his posting now, and have not replied > with the answer, and then talking all about apathy. Gave me a > headache. Imagine that. Maybe it's just me but is sounds like now this thread has gone beyond any semblance of usefulness. I mean, one thing that there was a breakdown in communication. But now it got it's own life, with the seeming purpose to keep this never ending back and forth thing. He misposted, communication was sent that clarified how it should be, and after that it should be over one way or the other. It's sad if he want to leave, especially over this, but for crying out loud, just let him stay or leave. You too David, get over it, please. > --- "Thomas A. Ufer" wrote: > I just sent Mr. Tomlinson an e-mail explaining that I have not had a > righttobeararms account in some time. I also asked him to reconsider > his leaving the group. > > See Paul, it wasn't your fault. ;-) > > On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 18:12, Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:10:33AM -0500, R.G. Mayhue wrote: > > > On Thursday 05 February 2004 07:32 am, david tomlinson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mr Foster: > > > > > > > > An email was sent to T. Ufer at his address of record > > > > (tufer@righttobeararms) and according to mail records was > > > > delivered. I did not send you any mail because previously a > > > > reply to you referring to Libranet's new archive was unaswered. > > > > > > > > Even though adequate time had been given no reply was > > > > received from NKS. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > David Tomlinson > > > > > > Ooop! There goes your raise Paul! ;-) > > > > Yeah, I knew this would end up being my fault, one way or another. > > ;-} > > > > Paul > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >---- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 9 06:40:24 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19BeNgv025568 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 06:40:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i19BeNZ1025567 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 06:40:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19BeNgv025563 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 06:40:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.ssn.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [24.73.114.39]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19BeLSV004093 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 06:40:22 -0500 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by nks-ma-00.ssn.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i19BdQEs004963 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 06:39:27 -0500 Received: from user-0c90kqp.cable.mindspring.com ([24.144.83.89] helo=elkenserver.net) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Aq9l0-0002um-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 03:39:18 -0800 Message-ID: <402771CE.4020301@elkenserver.net> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 06:41:02 -0500 From: Joey Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG References: <4022E34A.1050301@elkenserver.net> <20040209062807.GB7253@hardison.net> In-Reply-To: <20040209062807.GB7253@hardison.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.8, required 7, BAYES_30 -0.93, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net decimal 15 Dylan William Hardison wrote: >0x15 or decimal 15? > > >Spake Joey Dale on Thursday, February 05, 2004 at 07:43PM -0500: > > >>I'm 15 >> >>Eben King wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Kwan Lowe wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>Who is the youngest member of SLUG? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>I turned 21 in September of last year. >>>> >>>> >>>>(BTW, I count in HEX). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>OK, I guess I'm under 20 then. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 9 08:23:29 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19DNTgv026301 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 08:23:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i19DNT0p026300 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 08:23:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19DNSgv026296 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 08:23:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19DNSSP007104 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 08:23:28 -0500 Received: from server109.anhosting.com (server109.anhosting.com [205.243.144.67]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i19DMq2r031043 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 08:22:53 -0500 Received: from 6532249hfc153.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.249.153] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AqBND-0001a5-NO for slug@nks.net; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 07:22:51 -0600 From: Steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 08:22:48 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <20040209113229.589E1CF34@sitemail.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20040209113229.589E1CF34@sitemail.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402090822.48265.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.anhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 09 February 2004 06:32 am, David Meyer wrote: > Steve, > > Please don't take this whole thing too seriously...I'm not. I tried > to be civil to him and help him work this out...and out of the blue > last night he came at me because I didn't help him. Frankly, I got a > kick out of it...guess part wasn't as clear as I had hoped. Sorry, I meant it for David Tomlinson. > Consider it dropped. > > > --- Steve wrote: > > On Sunday 08 February 2004 10:38 pm, David Meyer wrote: > > Please don't...he's been writing to me off-line crying about the > > fact that I, and others, have seen his posting now, and have not > > replied with the answer, and then talking all about apathy. Gave > > me a headache. Imagine that. > > Maybe it's just me but is sounds like now this thread has gone beyond > any semblance of usefulness. I mean, one thing that there was a > breakdown in communication. But now it got it's own life, with the > seeming purpose to keep this never ending back and forth thing. > > He misposted, communication was sent that clarified how it should be, > and after that it should be over one way or the other. > > It's sad if he want to leave, especially over this, but for crying > out loud, just let him stay or leave. You too David, get over it, > please. > > > --- "Thomas A. Ufer" wrote: > > I just sent Mr. Tomlinson an e-mail explaining that I have not had > > a righttobeararms account in some time. I also asked him to > > reconsider his leaving the group. > > > > See Paul, it wasn't your fault. ;-) > > > > On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 18:12, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 08:10:33AM -0500, R.G. Mayhue wrote: > > > > On Thursday 05 February 2004 07:32 am, david tomlinson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Foster: > > > > > > > > > > An email was sent to T. Ufer at his address of record > > > > > (tufer@righttobeararms) and according to mail records was > > > > > delivered. I did not send you any mail because previously a > > > > > reply to you referring to Libranet's new archive was > > > > > unaswered. > > > > > > > > > > Even though adequate time had been given no reply was > > > > > received from NKS. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > David Tomlinson > > > > > > > > Ooop! There goes your raise Paul! ;-) > > > > > > Yeah, I knew this would end up being my fault, one way or > > > another. ;-} > > > > > > Paul > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > >-- ---- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service > > > by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 9 11:22:41 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19GMfgv027576 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:22:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i19GMfK3027575 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:22:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19GMZgv027571 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:22:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19GMYSP012529 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:22:35 -0500 Received: from mail01.powweb.com (mail01.powweb.com [66.152.97.34]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i19GMQ2r010397 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:22:28 -0500 Received: from 192.168.1.13 (unknown [4.4.227.86]) by mail01.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA01C36B2D for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 07:24:21 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] was it MOSIX? Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 10:30:18 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Description: clearsigned data Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402091030.26638.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-7, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, PGP_SIGNATURE -2.27, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.84, UPPERCASE_25_50 0.97, USER_AGENT 0.00) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i19GMZgv027572 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I thought there was a small application that can sit atop both Windows and Linux boxes to do some sort of clustering. When it's on, you're part of the cluster. When it's off, you're free. Anybody remember it? /mario -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAJ6eS0rzDqf+VzP0RAkbEAKC/oxvcidBAIumqQkhbnm7xVZiIdgCaA5yW ECaH5A0tK+aR6scqa/9C2bs= =M/Jm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 9 12:39:51 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19Hdogv028124 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:39:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i19Hdo1b028123 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:39:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19Hdogv028119 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:39:50 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19HdnSP014845 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:39:49 -0500 Received: from nks.net (icb-ws-00.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.12.9/8.12.7/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id i19HdnFt006700 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:39:49 -0500 Message-ID: <4027C5E5.3060006@nks.net> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:39:49 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] was it MOSIX? References: <200402091030.26638.mario@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: <200402091030.26638.mario@alienscience.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mario Lombardo wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I thought there was a small application that can sit atop both Windows and > Linux boxes to do some sort of clustering. When it's on, you're part of the > cluster. When it's off, you're free. > > Anybody remember it? Mosix and OpenMosix are both Linux kernel based auto-loadsharing clusters. I'm also fond of the OpenSSI project. With colinux.org, you may now run such an image under Windows (with the coLinux kernel patch). It allows you to run a virtual Linux image in parallel to your running Windows environment. Seriously, check it out. http://www.colinux.org As for computational clustering, there are many GRID style systems floating around now where an agent is loaded to run jobs as the native OS can schedule them. Think of this model as you would SETI@Home or Distributed.Net. In these models, there is a skeleton of management and a set of APIs for you to develop to. At a very basic level, any machine with remote access (via ssh, rsh, or whatever) can run offloaded computational jobs - though the binaries invoked must be compiled for that particular architecture and platform. -- - Ian C. Blenke - Director of Service Delivery (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 9 12:59:21 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19HxGgv028270 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:59:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i19HxFuP028269 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:59:15 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19HxFgv028265 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:59:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19HxDSb015934 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:59:14 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (236-42.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.42.236]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i19HpL2r017337 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:51:21 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bard.sytes.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B25C71849 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 129.41.55.200 (SquirrelMail authenticated user levi) by bard.sytes.net with HTTP; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:02:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <52136.129.41.55.200.1076349725.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <200402091030.26638.mario@alienscience.com> References: <200402091030.26638.mario@alienscience.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:02:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] was it MOSIX? From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.7, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, IN_REP_TO -0.37, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.44, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I thought there was a small application that can sit atop both Windows and > Linux boxes to do some sort of clustering. When it's on, you're part of > the > cluster. When it's off, you're free. > > Anybody remember it? > > /mario No, MOSIX (Now OpenMOSIX) is/was a Linux kernel patch for clustering. There are the MPI and PVM parallelization libraries for clustering, but applications generally have to be written specifically to use them. Actually what you're describing sounds like SETI@Home or one of those other idle-time-distributed-computing novelties. Levi -- You always know the creative because it is revealed openly. Concealment betrays the existence of another force entirely. --Leto II ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 9 13:49:12 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19In6gv028632 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:49:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i19In6mD028631 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:49:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19In5gv028627 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:49:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19In5SP017823 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:49:05 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i19Imr2r022739 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:48:54 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AC1A97EBC; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:48:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:48:53 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Message-ID: <20040209184853.GA7876@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <4022E34A.1050301@elkenserver.net> <20040209062807.GB7253@hardison.net> <402771CE.4020301@elkenserver.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <402771CE.4020301@elkenserver.net> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 13:47:52 up 21 days, 1:02, 7 users, load average: 0.26, 0.15, 0.12 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-7.2, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, IN_REP_TO -0.37, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, REFERENCES -0.00, USER_AGENT_MUTT -2.80) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Darn you! Now I'm no longer the youngest. Spake Joey Dale on Monday, February 09, 2004 at 06:41AM -0500: > decimal 15 > > > > -- If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man. -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar" - GPG Fingerprint=D67D 2B75 53C6 9769 30E4 D390 239F C833 F32C F6F6 GPG KeyID=F32CF6F6 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 9 18:30:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19NUlgv030652 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:30:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i19NUkPx030651 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:30:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19NUkgv030647 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:30:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i19NUkSP030376 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:30:46 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i19NUN2r029351 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:30:24 -0500 Received: (qmail 25874 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2004 23:30:23 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2004 23:30:23 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AqKqb-0003fh-00 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:29:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:29:41 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: "Suncoast Linux User's Group" Subject: Re: [SLUG] An Open Letter to Slug Message-ID: <20040209232941.GC24682@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Suncoast Linux User's Group References: <20040205123232.7331F2B2B0C@ws5-7.us4.outblaze.com> <200402050810.33673.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> <20040205231204.GC11727@quillandmouse.com> <1076295491.15612.11.camel@nikita.section-one.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1076295491.15612.11.camel@nikita.section-one.us> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.8, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_01 -5.40, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.84, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, USER_AGENT_MUTT -2.80) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 09:58:10PM -0500, Tom Ufer wrote: > I just sent Mr. Tomlinson an e-mail explaining that I have not had a > righttobeararms account in some time. I also asked him to reconsider his > leaving the group. > > See Paul, it wasn't your fault. ;-) > Oh yes it was, because I finally got tired of it and unsubscribed him. ;-} (In my defense, he did ask us to "hold my SLUG email".) I still have yet to figure out what question he wanted answered or what issue he didn't get resolved. And I have yet to see any credible evidence that he made _reasonable_ attempts to get whatever question answered (besides his uncorroborated assertions). And in the end, everyone was bending over trying to accommodate him, which is, I think, what he originally wanted. Personally, I pegged him as a troll. When people make a big deal of loudly leaving the group, my vote is to hold the door open for them. Maybe I'm just getting jaded. ;-} Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 10 00:48:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1A5magv000859 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:48:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1A5mahP000858 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:48:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1A5mZgv000854 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:48:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1A5mUSP010551 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:48:31 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1A5mKMi021852 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:48:20 -0500 Received: (qmail 16132 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2004 05:48:19 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2004 05:48:19 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AqQkL-0006QD-00; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:47:45 -0500 To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: From: Paul M Foster Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:47:45 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.435, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* TAMPA **************************************************** 11 February 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) Student Services Bldg, Room 108 (note change of room) (to the northeast of the Technology Bldg) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. 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Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 6 March 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 10 07:17:38 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ACHcgv003899 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:17:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1ACHb6J003898 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:17:37 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ACHbgv003894 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:17:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ACHaSP025322 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:17:37 -0500 Received: from dev.nethouse.com (dev.nethouse.com [66.118.181.150]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1ACHQnT024957 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:17:26 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.11] (dt141nda.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.193.218]) (authenticated bits=0) by dev.nethouse.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i1AC8YOL036611 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:08:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from btt@nethouse.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <20040209062341.GA7253@hardison.net> References: <4021C43F.5090405@elkenserver.net> <20040209062341.GA7253@hardison.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0B7AEC23-5BC3-11D8-B9BA-000A95C54204@nethouse.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bill Triplett Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:17:07 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.61 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on dev.nethouse.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.646, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I assure all of you that I am the most middle-aged. On Feb 9, 2004, at 1:23 AM, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > I'm 18. I think that I may be the youngest... :) > > Spake Joey Dale on Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 11:19PM -0500: >> Who is the youngest member of SLUG? > > -- > Knowledge, sir, should be free to all! > -- Harry Mudd, "I, Mudd", stardate 4513.3 > - > GPG Fingerprint=D67D 2B75 53C6 9769 30E4 D390 239F C833 F32C F6F6 > GPG KeyID=F32CF6F6 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 10 08:21:57 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ADLvgv004380 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:21:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1ADLufE004379 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:21:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ADLpgv004375 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:21:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ADLoSP027644 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:21:51 -0500 Received: from mail10.atl.registeredsite.com (mail10.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.84]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1ADLknT029433 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:21:46 -0500 Received: from stewartsigns.com (capricornus.hosting4u.net [209.35.191.104]) by mail10.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1ADLemg012228 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:21:40 -0500 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:21:38 -0600 From: "Rock" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] SLUG Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:21:48 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c3efd8$d6f969b0$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <0B7AEC23-5BC3-11D8-B9BA-000A95C54204@nethouse.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.567, required 7, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS 0.57) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Might as well join this useless and tasteless thread by saying that I believe I may be the oldest at 61 and nearly 62. There I have said it and I am proud of my accomplishments. Michael C. Rock Systems Analyst, Linux Administrator, Lan Admin. , etc. -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bill Triplett Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 7:17 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG I assure all of you that I am the most middle-aged. On Feb 9, 2004, at 1:23 AM, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > I'm 18. I think that I may be the youngest... :) > > Spake Joey Dale on Wednesday, February 04, 2004 at 11:19PM -0500: >> Who is the youngest member of SLUG? > > -- > Knowledge, sir, should be free to all! > -- Harry Mudd, "I, Mudd", stardate 4513.3 > - > GPG Fingerprint=D67D 2B75 53C6 9769 30E4 D390 239F C833 F32C F6F6 > GPG KeyID=F32CF6F6 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 10 09:43:32 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1AEhVgv004975 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:43:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1AEhVOC004974 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:43:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1AEhVgv004970 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:43:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1AEhPSP030350 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:43:25 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (236-42.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.42.236]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1AEhEnT001910 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:43:14 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bard.sytes.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A2CE71849 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 129.41.55.200 (SquirrelMail authenticated user levi) by bard.sytes.net with HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:54:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <22463.129.41.55.200.1076424842.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <001501c3efd8$d6f969b0$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> References: <0B7AEC23-5BC3-11D8-B9BA-000A95C54204@nethouse.com> <001501c3efd8$d6f969b0$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:54:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: [SLUG] SLUG From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.398, required 7, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS 0.57) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Is that 0x61? :> > Might as well join this useless and tasteless thread by saying that I > believe I may be the oldest at 61 and nearly 62. There I have said it > and I am proud of my accomplishments. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 10 11:29:39 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1AGTcgv005753 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:29:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1AGTX3V005752 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:29:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1AGTRgv005748 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:29:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1AGTMSP001355 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:29:22 -0500 Received: from atlas.jtan.com (atlas.jtan.com [207.106.84.159]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1AGTInT008563 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:29:19 -0500 X-JTAN-Envelope-From: kno@callisto.jtan.com X-JTAN-Envelope-To: Received: from callisto.jtan.com (root@callisto.jtan.com [207.106.84.134]) by atlas.jtan.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1AGTIvt021302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:29:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from callisto.jtan.com (kno@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by callisto.jtan.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id i1AGTGor028529 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:29:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kno@localhost) by callisto.jtan.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id i1AGTGod027263; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:29:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:29:16 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Dunford Message-Id: <200402101629.i1AGTGod027263@callisto.jtan.com> To: slug@nks.net References: <200402101628.i1AGSpoR005731@slug-list-00.nks.net> In-Reply-To: <200402101628.i1AGSpoR005731@slug-list-00.nks.net> X-Loop: kno@jtan.com Subject: [SLUG] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.071, required 7, AWL 0.07) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 10 16:15:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ALFAgv007750 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:15:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1ALF9aO007749 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:15:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ALF9gv007745 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:15:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ALF9SP011091 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:15:09 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1ALEuMi021894 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:14:56 -0500 Received: from test01 (rrcs-se-24-173-149-166.biz.rr.com [24.173.149.166]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i1ALEs1c029130 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:14:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007d01c3f01a$edc60760$3249490a@test01> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <001501c3efd8$d6f969b0$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:14:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.428, required 7, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Perhaps someday again, society will value the experience, stability, and wisdom of those who have reached such an arbitrary number, yet still wish to contribute their skills and knowledge to society. I used to think the airline pilot business was the only one in which one was considered 'washed up' at 60, and that is just due to FAA regulations. Or maybe I'll just dye my hair tonight... Bob > Might as well join this useless and tasteless thread by saying that I > believe I may be the oldest at 61 and nearly 62. There I have said it > and I am proud of my accomplishments. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 10 16:47:38 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ALlXgv007994 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:47:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1ALlRcW007993 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:47:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ALlMgv007989 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:47:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ALlLSP012331 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:47:21 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1ALlHnT029631 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:47:18 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 75BA87EBC; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:47:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:47:17 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Message-ID: <20040210214717.GA9535@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200402101628.i1AGSpoR005731@slug-list-00.nks.net> <200402101629.i1AGTGod027263@callisto.jtan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200402101629.i1AGTGod027263@callisto.jtan.com> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 16:18:55 up 22 days, 3:33, 7 users, load average: 0.24, 0.20, 0.10 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yes, I agree 100%. Spake Matt Dunford on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 11:29AM -0500: > -- Do, or do not; there is no try. - GPG Fingerprint=D67D 2B75 53C6 9769 30E4 D390 239F C833 F32C F6F6 GPG KeyID=F32CF6F6 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 10 17:09:44 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1AM9igv008148 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:09:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1AM9hMg008147 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:09:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1AM9hgv008143 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:09:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1AM9gSP013123 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:09:43 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1AM9RnT031186 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:09:28 -0500 Received: from GOKU ([192.168.10.160]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA00245 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:02:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c3f020$95f88de0$a00aa8c0@GOKU> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: Subject: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting (canceled for now) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:55:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The library made a mistake with February, I had it marked down as reserved they didn't. All rooms are booked up for that Monday. I am unable to host the meeting any other time the week before ( business trip ) or the week after ( snowboarding ). My apologize for the inconvenience. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 10 17:53:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1AMrFgv008497 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:53:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1AMrFIP008496 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:53:15 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1AMrEgv008492 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:53:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1AMrESR014576 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:53:14 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1AMqxMi028589 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:53:03 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C38327EBC; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:52:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:52:50 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting Message-ID: <20040210225250.GA9774@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <000b01c3f020$95f88de0$a00aa8c0@GOKU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000b01c3f020$95f88de0$a00aa8c0@GOKU> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 17:48:29 up 22 days, 5:02, 5 users, load average: 0.09, 0.36, 0.38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 7, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Okay... What about the same week, except on the Tuesday? I can think of two ways we can have the meeting on the Monday anyway, I'll investigate, and report back in about a day. No worries. Spake Aaron Steimle on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 04:55PM -0500: > The library made a mistake with February, I had it marked down as reserved > they didn't. All rooms are booked up for that Monday. > I am unable to host the meeting any other time the week before ( business > trip ) or the week after ( snowboarding ). > My apologize for the inconvenience. -- "Rise up this morning, smile with the rising sun. Three little birds, sits by my doorstep. Singing sweet songs, of melodies pure and true." -- Bob Marley, "Three Little Birds" (song) - GPG Fingerprint=D67D 2B75 53C6 9769 30E4 D390 239F C833 F32C F6F6 GPG KeyID=F32CF6F6 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 10 18:14:08 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ANE3gv008640 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:14:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1ANE3tE008639 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:14:03 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ANDvgv008635 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:13:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ANDuSP015301 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:13:57 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1ANDonT002687 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:13:50 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 882517EBC; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:13:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:13:50 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting Message-ID: <20040210231350.GA9867@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <000b01c3f020$95f88de0$a00aa8c0@GOKU> <20040210225250.GA9774@hardison.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040210225250.GA9774@hardison.net> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 18:12:13 up 22 days, 5:26, 6 users, load average: 0.37, 0.18, 0.20 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.05, required 7, AWL 0.05) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net In fact, don't worry about it all. I'll take care of everything. -- Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a dog it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx - GPG Fingerprint=D67D 2B75 53C6 9769 30E4 D390 239F C833 F32C F6F6 GPG KeyID=F32CF6F6 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 10 21:33:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B2XAgv010110 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:33:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1B2XADX010109 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:33:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B2X9gv010105 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:33:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B2X9SP022288 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:33:09 -0500 Received: from server109.anhosting.com (server109.anhosting.com [205.243.144.67]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1B2X2nT016213 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:33:02 -0500 Received: from 6532249hfc153.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.249.153] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AqkBT-0001Xm-3I for slug@nks.net; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:33:03 -0600 From: Steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:32:58 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <001501c3efd8$d6f969b0$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> <007d01c3f01a$edc60760$3249490a@test01> In-Reply-To: <007d01c3f01a$edc60760$3249490a@test01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402102132.58654.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.anhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.101, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 10 February 2004 04:14 pm, Robert Foxworth wrote: > Perhaps someday again, society will value the experience, stability, > and wisdom of those who have reached such an arbitrary number, > yet still wish to contribute their skills and knowledge to society. > > I used to think the airline pilot business was the only one in which > one was considered 'washed up' at 60, and that is just due to FAA > regulations. > > Or maybe I'll just dye my hair tonight... What! You have hair left?! How did you do that!? > Bob > > > Might as well join this useless and tasteless thread by saying that > > I believe I may be the oldest at 61 and nearly 62. There I have > > said it and I am proud of my accomplishments. -- Steve __________________________________________________ You actually need to constantly be alert and willing to handle things, or life will find a way to get you good! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 10 21:36:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B2aAgv010133 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:36:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1B2aAIX010132 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:36:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B2a9gv010128 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:36:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B2a9SP022403 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:36:09 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1B2a3nT016425 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:36:03 -0500 Received: (qmail 17127 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 02:36:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 02:36:02 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:36:02 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <200402101628.i1AGSpoR005731@slug-list-00.nks.net> <200402101629.i1AGTGod027263@callisto.jtan.com> In-Reply-To: <200402101629.i1AGTGod027263@callisto.jtan.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402102136.02307.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.404, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 10 February 2004 11:29 am, Matt Dunford wrote: > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- It was wisely suggested that, if you have nothing to say, say it and then sit down and shut up. Or, as Will Rogers suggested "Never miss a good opportunity to keep quiet." -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 21:34:00 up 35 days, 22:16, 4 users, load average: 0.15, 0.20, 0.10 21:58:52 up 34 days, 2:11, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 10 21:47:01 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B2l1gv010229 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:47:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1B2l0xo010228 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:47:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B2l0gv010224 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:47:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B2kxSR022727 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:47:00 -0500 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1B2ktnT017060 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:46:56 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955918pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.98]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20040211024655014002sbrbe>; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:46:55 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AqkNT-00005Z-00 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:45:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200402102136.02307.bill13510@wwnet.net> References: <200402101628.i1AGSpoR005731@slug-list-00.nks.net> <200402101629.i1AGTGod027263@callisto.jtan.com> <200402102136.02307.bill13510@wwnet.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-wtTd9t7hhg1SqN/ql34o" Message-Id: <1076467526.15329.349.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:45:27 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.207, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-wtTd9t7hhg1SqN/ql34o Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 21:36, Bill Canaday wrote: > On Tuesday 10 February 2004 11:29 am, Matt Dunford wrote: > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > It was wisely suggested that, if you have nothing to say, say it and then= sit=20 > down and shut up. >=20 > Or, as Will Rogers suggested "Never miss a good opportunity to keep quiet= ." For some reason, they both remind me of the axiom: "If people minded their own business as well as they mind the business of others, the world would be a much more pleasant place." The Logan --=20 21:40:01 up 35 days, 1:38, 3 users, load average: 0.01, 0.13, 0.33 Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning? -- George W. Bush Registered Linux User 277727 ICQ 72101412 --=-wtTd9t7hhg1SqN/ql34o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAKZdG3OecGqSbkyMRAmxfAJ4m/8KgSP9uHPeK+aZgeRWuf6dGLgCg1x+T u4i8Inq4rX4D+7dmtFjwnzo= =c4He -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-wtTd9t7hhg1SqN/ql34o-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 10 21:47:41 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B2lfgv010245 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:47:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1B2lfjq010244 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:47:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B2legv010240 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:47:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B2ldSR022749 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:47:40 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1B2lTnT017095 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:47:29 -0500 Received: from pool-1.max.marlowe.net (pool-1.max.marlowe.net [64.58.217.1] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.0) id 8TQP800 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:49:35 -0500 From: Bob Stia Organization: Fully Retired Corp. To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:07:47 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <001501c3efd8$d6f969b0$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> In-Reply-To: <001501c3efd8$d6f969b0$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402102107.47607.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 10 February 2004 08:21 am, Rock wrote: > Might as well join this useless and tasteless thread by saying that I > believe I may be the oldest at 61 and nearly 62. There I have said > it and I am proud of my accomplishments. > No Michael, far ferom it. Will be 69 in May. That's why you see some pretty dumb and stupid requests from me. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 10 22:25:33 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B3PSgv010554 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:25:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1B3PRED010553 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:25:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B3PRgv010549 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:25:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B3PQSP024152 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:25:27 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1B3PH2I016192 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:25:18 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AD7767EBC; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:25:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:25:17 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Message-ID: <20040211032517.GA10202@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <001501c3efd8$d6f969b0$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> <200402102107.47607.rnr@sanctum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200402102107.47607.rnr@sanctum.com> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 22:23:05 up 22 days, 9:37, 5 users, load average: 0.25, 0.15, 0.11 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.85, required 7, AWL 0.05, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Pah. There is no real correlation between age and stupidity, In my opinion. People can be stupid or not regardless of age. Spake Bob Stia on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 09:07PM -0500: > On Tuesday 10 February 2004 08:21 am, Rock wrote: > > Might as well join this useless and tasteless thread by saying that I > > believe I may be the oldest at 61 and nearly 62. There I have said > > it and I am proud of my accomplishments. > > > No Michael, far ferom it. Will be 69 in May. That's why you see some > pretty dumb and stupid requests from me. > > Bob S. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 10 23:30:52 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B4Uqgv011054 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:30:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1B4UlWe011053 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:30:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B4Ukgv011049 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:30:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1B4UkSR026339 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:30:46 -0500 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1B4UWnT024080 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:30:32 -0500 Received: from comcast.net (pcp03210079pcs.venice01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.30.241]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <200402110430310110069dd2e> (Authid: maury0324); Wed, 11 Feb 2004 04:30:31 +0000 Message-ID: <4029AFE4.1090300@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:30:28 -0500 From: maury User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031107 Debian/1.5-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG References: <001501c3efd8$d6f969b0$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> <200402102107.47607.rnr@sanctum.com> <20040211032517.GA10202@hardison.net> In-Reply-To: <20040211032517.GA10202@hardison.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.207, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dylan William Hardison wrote: > Pah. There is no real correlation between age and stupidity, In my > opinion. > People can be stupid or not regardless of age. > > Spake Bob Stia on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 at 09:07PM -0500: > >>On Tuesday 10 February 2004 08:21 am, Rock wrote: >> >>>Might as well join this useless and tasteless thread by saying that I >>>believe I may be the oldest at 61 and nearly 62. There I have said >>>it and I am proud of my accomplishments. >>> >> >>No Michael, far ferom it. Will be 69 in May. That's why you see some >>pretty dumb and stupid requests from me. >> >>Bob S. >>I'll be 72 next month, started with mandrake about 19 months ago, then knoppix and now mepis. but as an old friend used to say "I lost something and sure do miss it." Maury >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 11 09:24:34 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BEOYgv015713 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:24:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1BEOYW6015712 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:24:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BEOXgv015708 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:24:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BEOWSR016633 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:24:33 -0500 Received: from mail13.atl.registeredsite.com (mail13.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.87]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1BEOJnT004348 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:24:19 -0500 Received: from stewartsigns.com (capricornus.hosting4u.net [209.35.191.104]) by mail13.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1BEOIr9023196 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:24:18 -0500 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:24:18 -0600 From: "Rock" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] SLUG Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:24:28 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c3f0aa$c24a1f50$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <007d01c3f01a$edc60760$3249490a@test01> X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.283, required 7, AWL 0.28, BAYES_40 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I understand completely. I told my son that I was going to shave my beard and dye my hair and he said " Dad, you have it wrong: You shave your head and dye your beard!" Michael C. Rock "Rock of Ages" ;o) -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Foxworth Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 4:15 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Perhaps someday again, society will value the experience, stability, and wisdom of those who have reached such an arbitrary number, yet still wish to contribute their skills and knowledge to society. I used to think the airline pilot business was the only one in which one was considered 'washed up' at 60, and that is just due to FAA regulations. Or maybe I'll just dye my hair tonight... Bob > Might as well join this useless and tasteless thread by saying that I > believe I may be the oldest at 61 and nearly 62. There I have said it > and I am proud of my accomplishments. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 11 12:17:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BHHHgv017000 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:17:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1BHHHlg016999 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:17:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BHHBgv016995 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:17:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BHHASX022487 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:17:11 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1BH8uhB015728 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:08:56 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0311C8024; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:08:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:08:51 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Message-ID: <20040211170851.GA11394@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <007d01c3f01a$edc60760$3249490a@test01> <002a01c3f0aa$c24a1f50$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002a01c3f0aa$c24a1f50$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 11:59:52 up 22 days, 23:14, 6 users, load average: 0.06, 0.05, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.1, required 7, IN_REP_TO -0.50, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.48, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.45, REFERENCES -0.50, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES -0.50, USER_AGENT_MUTT -2.49) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Shave? What's that? ;) Spake Rock on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 09:24AM -0500: > I understand completely. I told my son that I was going to shave my > beard and dye my hair and he said " Dad, you have it wrong: You shave > your head and dye your beard!" > > Michael C. Rock > > "Rock of Ages" ;o) > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Foxworth > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 4:15 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG > > Perhaps someday again, society will value the experience, stability, > and wisdom of those who have reached such an arbitrary number, > yet still wish to contribute their skills and knowledge to society. > > I used to think the airline pilot business was the only one in which > one was considered 'washed up' at 60, and that is just due to FAA > regulations. > > Or maybe I'll just dye my hair tonight... > > Bob > > > Might as well join this useless and tasteless thread by saying that I > > believe I may be the oldest at 61 and nearly 62. There I have said it > > and I am proud of my accomplishments. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > -- Hearts will never be practical until they can be made unbreakable. -- The Wizard of Oz - GPG Fingerprint=D67D 2B75 53C6 9769 30E4 D390 239F C833 F32C F6F6 GPG KeyID=F32CF6F6 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 11 13:12:22 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BICMgv017423 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:12:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1BICGgw017422 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:12:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BICGgv017418 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:12:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BICDST024229 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:12:15 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1BIAd2N019311 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:10:39 -0500 Received: from GOKU ([192.168.10.160]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03769 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:03:31 -0500 Message-ID: <003001c3f0c8$5e610d50$a00aa8c0@GOKU> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: Subject: [SLUG] port forwarding problem Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 12:56:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am trying to get access to home machine via vnc. I need to port forward vnc port to the intended box... I also need to do this for a test mail server that I have at home. I am using the 2.4-stronger ruleset compliments of http://www.e-infomax.com/ipmasq/ and using these directions http://www.e-infomax.com/ipmasq/howto/c-html/forwarders.html#PORTFW-VIA-2.4. X-PREROUTING The problem: It keeps telling "-j command is not found" any ideas? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 11 13:51:31 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BIpPgv017732 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:51:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1BIpKit017731 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:51:20 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BIpJgv017727 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:51:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BIpJSP025680 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:51:19 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1BIp5rI009306 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:51:05 -0500 Received: from pc (66-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.66]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1BIp35j012980 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:51:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:50:45 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] port forwarding problem In-Reply-To: <003001c3f0c8$5e610d50$a00aa8c0@GOKU> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: I am trying to get access to home machine via vnc. > I need to port forward vnc port to the intended box... I also need to do > this for a test mail server that I have at home. > > I am using the 2.4-stronger ruleset compliments of > http://www.e-infomax.com/ipmasq/ > > and using these directions > http://www.e-infomax.com/ipmasq/howto/c-html/forwarders.html#PORTFW-VIA-2.4.X-PREROUTING Grr... webmasters whose sites are likely to be quoted should make all URLs <= 80 characters, if that's possible. > The problem: It keeps telling "-j command is not found" > any ideas? Sounds as if some file got line-wrapped to where "-j" is the first non-whitespace on a line. Check it out with $EDITOR, and make sure it doesn't wrap long lines. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave. -Sir William Drummond ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 11 14:25:35 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BJPZgv017991 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:25:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1BJPYvU017990 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:25:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BJPYgv017985 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:25:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BJPXSV026856 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:25:33 -0500 Received: from virt14o.secure-wi.com (virt14o.secure-wi.com [209.216.203.4]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1BJPMrI019538 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:25:23 -0500 Received: from 192.168.1.102 (2416459hfc41.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.59.41]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by virt14o.secure-wi.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i1BJPLB18678 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:25:21 -0800 From: Steven Buehler To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:25:20 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <007d01c3f01a$edc60760$3249490a@test01> <002a01c3f0aa$c24a1f50$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> <20040211170851.GA11394@hardison.net> In-Reply-To: <20040211170851.GA11394@hardison.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402111425.20270.steven@sanctuaryweb.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.2, required 7, AWL 0.00, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.50, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.45, REFERENCES -0.50, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES -0.50, USER_AGENT_KMAIL 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 11 February 2004 12:08 pm, you wrote: > Shave? What's that? ;) It's when you rub a very sharp metal object against your face in an effort to make women think you're cute. ;-) SWB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 11 15:08:24 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BK8Ogv018300 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:08:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1BK8OsA018299 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:08:24 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BK8Ngv018295 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:08:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BK8NSP028355 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:08:23 -0500 Received: from snoopy.tblc.org (snoopy.tblc.org [207.239.93.7]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1BK892N027909 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:08:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snoopy.tblc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0EF2174BA8 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from snoopy.tblc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (snoopy [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02782-06 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from tblc.org (bernie.tblc.org [207.239.93.8]) by snoopy.tblc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F59A174B52 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:08:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <402A8BD8.80309@tblc.org> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:08:56 -0500 From: Ben Ostrowsky Organization: Tampa Bay Library Consortium User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 MultiZilla/1.6.1.0b X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] port forwarding problem References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at tblc.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Grr... webmasters whose sites are likely to be quoted should make all URLs > <= 80 characters, if that's possible. http://tinyurl.com/3h4xk Ben ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 11 15:12:06 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BKC0gv018348 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:12:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1BKC04c018347 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:12:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BKBxgv018343 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:11:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BKBrST028506 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:11:54 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1BKBg2N028206 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:11:42 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C69D38024; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:11:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:11:42 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Message-ID: <20040211201142.GA11729@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <007d01c3f01a$edc60760$3249490a@test01> <002a01c3f0aa$c24a1f50$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> <20040211170851.GA11394@hardison.net> <200402111425.20270.steven@sanctuaryweb.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200402111425.20270.steven@sanctuaryweb.org> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 15:10:22 up 23 days, 2:24, 6 users, load average: 0.15, 0.11, 0.03 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.88, required 7, AWL 2.02, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake Steven Buehler on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 at 02:25PM -0500: > On Wednesday 11 February 2004 12:08 pm, you wrote: > > Shave? What's that? ;) > > It's when you rub a very sharp metal object against your face in an effort to > make women think you're cute. ;-) > Sounds dangerous. 'women'? -- "Do you think what we're doing is wrong?" "Of course it's wrong! It's illegal!" "I've never done anything illegal before." "I thought you said you were an accountant!" - GPG Fingerprint=D67D 2B75 53C6 9769 30E4 D390 239F C833 F32C F6F6 GPG KeyID=F32CF6F6 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 11 16:21:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BLLHgv018950 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:21:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1BLLHp2018948 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:21:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BLLGgv018944 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:21:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BLLGSP030844 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:21:16 -0500 Received: from out008.verizon.net (out008pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.108]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1BLL8rI027542 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:21:08 -0500 Received: from Arthur.Joe-Di.net ([4.65.194.211]) by out008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040211212107.NYQA10003.out008.verizon.net@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:21:07 -0600 Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG From: Joe Brandt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200402111425.20270.steven@sanctuaryweb.org> References: <007d01c3f01a$edc60760$3249490a@test01> <002a01c3f0aa$c24a1f50$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> <20040211170851.GA11394@hardison.net> <200402111425.20270.steven@sanctuaryweb.org> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1076584712.2582.0.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4-8mdk Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:18:32 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [4.65.194.211] at Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:21:07 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.6, required 7, AWL 0.00, DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 2.80, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.50, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.45, REFERENCES -0.50, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES -0.50, USER_AGENT_XIMIAN -2.35) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2004-02-11 at 19:25, Steven Buehler wrote: > On Wednesday 11 February 2004 12:08 pm, you wrote: > > Shave? What's that? ;) > > It's when you rub a very sharp metal object against your face in an effort to > make women think you're cute. ;-) > > SWB No Steven, women these days go for the rough unshaven look ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 11 16:33:06 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BLWsgv019055 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:32:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1BLWssA019054 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:32:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BLWlgv019050 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:32:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1BLWlSP031298 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:32:47 -0500 Received: from virt14o.secure-wi.com (virt14o.secure-wi.com [209.216.203.4]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1BLWYrI028413 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:32:35 -0500 Received: from 192.168.1.102 (2416459hfc41.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.59.41]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by virt14o.secure-wi.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i1BLWQB05724 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:32:27 -0800 From: Steven Buehler To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:32:22 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <007d01c3f01a$edc60760$3249490a@test01> <200402111425.20270.steven@sanctuaryweb.org> <20040211201142.GA11729@hardison.net> In-Reply-To: <20040211201142.GA11729@hardison.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402111632.22555.steven@sanctuaryweb.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.7, required 7, AWL 0.00, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.50, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.45, REFERENCES -0.50, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES -0.50, USER_AGENT_KMAIL 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 11 February 2004 03:11 pm, you wrote: > Sounds dangerous. > > 'women'? Yeah. I'm married to one. Interesting creatures, they are. SWB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 12 00:52:06 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1C5q6gv022732 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:52:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1C5q6aO022731 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:52:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1C5q5gv022723 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:52:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1C5q0SR015805 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:52:00 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1C5pa2N002189 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:51:37 -0500 Received: (qmail 11313 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2004 05:51:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2004 05:51:33 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLUG Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:51:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <001501c3efd8$d6f969b0$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> <200402102107.47607.rnr@sanctum.com> <20040211032517.GA10202@hardison.net> In-Reply-To: <20040211032517.GA10202@hardison.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402120051.32290.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.404, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 10 February 2004 10:25 pm, you wrote: > Pah. There is no real correlation between age and stupidity, In my > opinion. > People can be stupid or not regardless of age. That's one of the few freedoms beyond the reach of law to diminish. Perhaps that's why it is so eagerly embraced and staunchly defended. The right to play dumb, if done with skill, is indistinguishable from the right to be dumb. -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 00:49:00 up 37 days, 1:31, 4 users, load average: 0.52, 1.67, 1.87 21:58:52 up 34 days, 2:11, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 12 13:12:20 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1CICKgv028157 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:12:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1CICJZk028156 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:12:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1CICJgv028152 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:12:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1CICDSP010444 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:12:18 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1CIBn2N022684 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:11:57 -0500 Received: from GOKU ([192.168.10.160]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03209 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:04:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c3f191$add6bff0$a00aa8c0@GOKU> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] port forwarding problem Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:57:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.45, required 7, AWL 2.45, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net line-wrap and a backslash were the culprit. ( thanks ) BUT... I still cannot ssh or vnc into my network. In redhat 9, I look in /var/log/message for any logged iptable info and nothing is logged from the IP I am trying to connect from. Is there any other logs that i should be looking at? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eben King" > > Sounds as if some file got line-wrapped to where "-j" is the first > non-whitespace on a line. Check it out with $EDITOR, and make sure it > doesn't wrap long lines. > I am using the 2.4-stronger ruleset compliments of http://www.e-infomax.com/ipmasq/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 12 14:23:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1CJNfgv028673 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:23:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1CJNacs028672 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:23:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1CJNUgv028668 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:23:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1CJNUSP012896 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:23:30 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1CJNN2N027385 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:23:23 -0500 Received: from pc (66-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.66]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1CJNLbF015875 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:23:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:23:03 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] port forwarding problem In-Reply-To: <001201c3f191$add6bff0$a00aa8c0@GOKU> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: I still cannot ssh or vnc into my network. In redhat 9, I look in > /var/log/message for any logged iptable info and nothing is logged from the > IP I am trying to connect from. Maybe /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} is disallowing it? Something like ssh:ALL in /etc/hosts.allow , I guess. The "service" part is the service as listed in /etc/services . > Is there any other logs that i should be looking at? I don't believe hosts_access logs anywhere, just silently closes the connection. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar A: Because it looks dumb and is hard to read. Q: Why is top-posting wrong? -- from lots42@xxx.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 12 16:28:37 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1CLSRgv029562 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:28:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1CLSQOT029561 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:28:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1CLSQgv029557 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:28:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1CLSMSR017103 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:28:26 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1CLS4rI032517 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:28:05 -0500 Received: from GOKU ([192.168.10.160]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03924 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:20:51 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01c3f1ad$18c3b0a0$a00aa8c0@GOKU> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] port forwarding problem Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:13:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.7, required 7, AWL 0.00, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE -0.50, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.48, REFERENCES -0.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net hosts.deny is empty. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eben King" To: Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] port forwarding problem > On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Aaron Steimle wrote: > > > I still cannot ssh or vnc into my network. In redhat 9, I look in > > /var/log/message for any logged iptable info and nothing is logged from the > > IP I am trying to connect from. > > Maybe /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} is disallowing it? Something like > > ssh:ALL > > in /etc/hosts.allow , I guess. The "service" part is the service as > listed in /etc/services . > > > Is there any other logs that i should be looking at? > > I don't believe hosts_access logs anywhere, just silently closes the > connection. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 12 17:27:01 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1CMR1gv030036 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:27:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1CMR1fu030035 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:27:01 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1CMR0gv030031 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:27:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1CMR0SP019114 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:27:00 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1CMQbrI003773 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:26:37 -0500 Received: from pc (66-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.66]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1CMQc1d028221 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:26:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:26:18 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] port forwarding problem In-Reply-To: <003c01c3f1ad$18c3b0a0$a00aa8c0@GOKU> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eben King" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SLUG] port forwarding problem > > > > Maybe /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} is disallowing it? Something like > > > > ssh:ALL > > > > in /etc/hosts.allow , I guess. The "service" part is the service as > > listed in /etc/services . I was wrong. I read hosts_access(5). The format should be daemon_list : client_list [ : shell_command ] and "daemon_list is a list of one or more daemon process names (argv[0] values) or wildcards". So it should read sshd:ALL But since > hosts.deny is empty. that wouldn't matter. Can you reach _any_ port on your machine from the outside? "telnet machine port" to test. How about going out? My guess is maybe NAT isn't working correctly. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 12 18:21:32 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1CNLQgv030441 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:21:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1CNLQ8B030440 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:21:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1CNLQgv030436 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:21:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1CNLQSR020971 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:21:26 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1CNL9rI007431 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:21:09 -0500 Received: from washpat.com (168-2.9-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.9.2.168]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00018 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:13:59 -0500 Message-ID: <402C0C1D.1000908@washpat.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:28:29 -0500 From: Aaron Steimle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] port forwarding problem References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.6, required 7, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.50, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.48, REFERENCES -0.50, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES -0.50, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00, X_ACCEPT_LANG -0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Everything is working fine. I can't get anything to get inside. As I am working on this I have StarWars Galaxies Macroing away, any problems with NAT would kick me off the servers. here is the current rule set: $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -p tcp --dport 5900 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d $EXTIP --dport 5900 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.20:5900 $IPTABLES -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d $EXTIP --dport 22 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.101:22 Eben King wrote: > On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Aaron Steimle wrote: > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Eben King" >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:23 PM >>Subject: Re: [SLUG] port forwarding problem >> >> >> >>>Maybe /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} is disallowing it? Something like >>> >>>ssh:ALL >>> >>>in /etc/hosts.allow , I guess. The "service" part is the service as >>>listed in /etc/services . > > > I was wrong. I read hosts_access(5). The format should be > > daemon_list : client_list [ : shell_command ] > > and "daemon_list is a list of one or more daemon process names (argv[0] > values) or wildcards". > > So it should read > > sshd:ALL > > But since > > >>hosts.deny is empty. > > > that wouldn't matter. > > Can you reach _any_ port on your machine from the outside? "telnet > machine port" to test. How about going out? My guess is maybe NAT isn't > working correctly. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 12 19:19:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D0Jhgv030862 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:19:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1D0Jh1J030861 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:19:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D0Jggv030857 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:19:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D0JgSP022908 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:19:42 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1D0JXrI011301 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:19:33 -0500 Received: from washpat.com (168-2.9-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.9.2.168]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00171; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:12:23 -0500 Message-ID: <402C19CE.4060905@washpat.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:26:54 -0500 From: Aaron Steimle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] port fowarding woes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.8, required 7, AWL 0.00, UPPERCASE_25_50 1.24, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00, X_ACCEPT_LANG -0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Here is my simple rules, below that is the output after rules are run. Any ideas? any? at all? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= IPTABLES=/sbin/iptables DEPMOD=/sbin/depmod MODPROBE=/sbin/modprobe EXTIF="eth0" INTIF="eth1" echo " External Interface: $EXTIF" echo " Internal Interface: $INTIF" echo -en " loading modules: " # Need to verify that all modules have all required dependencies # echo " - Verifying that all kernel modules are ok" $DEPMOD -a echo "----------------------------------------------------------------------" #Load the main body of the IPTABLES module - "iptable" # - Loaded automatically when the "iptables" command is invoked # # - Loaded manually to clean up kernel auto-loading timing issues # echo -en "ip_tables, " $MODPROBE ip_tables echo -en "ip_conntrack, " $MODPROBE ip_conntrack echo -en "ip_conntrack_ftp, " $MODPROBE ip_conntrack_ftp echo -en "ip_conntrack_irc, " $MODPROBE ip_conntrack_irc echo -en "iptable_nat, " $MODPROBE iptable_nat echo -en "ip_nat_ftp, " $MODPROBE ip_nat_ftp echo -e " Done loading modules.\n" echo " Enabling forwarding.." echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward echo " Enabling DynamicAddr.." echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_dynaddr echo " Clearing any existing rules and setting default policy.." $IPTABLES -P INPUT ACCEPT $IPTABLES -F INPUT $IPTABLES -P OUTPUT ACCEPT $IPTABLES -F OUTPUT $IPTABLES -P FORWARD DROP $IPTABLES -F FORWARD $IPTABLES -t nat -F PORTFWIP="192.168.1.101" EXTIP="work IP" $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d $EXTIP --dport 22 -j DNAT --to $PORTFWIP:22 echo " FWD: Allow all connections OUT and only existing and related ones IN" $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $INTIF -o $EXTIF -j ACCEPT $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -j LOG echo " Enabling SNAT (MASQUERADE) functionality on $EXTIF" $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $EXTIF -j MASQUERADE echo -e "\nDone.\n" +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Loading simple rc.firewall version 0.74.. External Interface: eth0 Internal Interface: eth1 loading modules: - Verifying that all kernel modules are ok ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ip_tables, ip_conntrack, ip_conntrack_ftp, ip_conntrack_irc, iptable_nat, ip_nat_ftp, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Done loading modules. Enabling forwarding.. Enabling DynamicAddr.. Clearing any existing rules and setting default policy.. FWD: Allow all connections OUT and only existing and related ones IN Enabling SNAT (MASQUERADE) functionality on eth0 Done. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 12 21:13:25 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D2DOgv031708 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:13:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1D2DOb3031707 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:13:24 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D2DOgv031703 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:13:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D2DMSP027030 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:13:23 -0500 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1D2D1rI019462 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:13:01 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955918pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.98]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20040213021300012000f98oe>; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:13:00 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1ArSnd-0002ME-00 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:11:25 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] RBLs and Exim. Sendmail user needs Exim user. From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-RgHpH3h5b2BdWGFRJ1av" Message-Id: <1076638284.8712.26.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:11:25 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-7.2, required 7, AWL 0.00, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.74, PGP_SIGNATURE_2 -2.45, USER_AGENT_XIMIAN -2.35) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-RgHpH3h5b2BdWGFRJ1av Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy Slugadonia, As a sendmail user, which I know well, I am suffering with Exim, which I do not know well. Actually, I am just acquainting myself with it. I have it up and running just fine, but I wish to take advantage of the rbl_domains feature. I want to find some "good" RBL lists, to incorporate them in my exim.conf. After some googling, I surfed http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ but the site gives me a 404. =20 Do you Exim users, apply the rbl_domains feature? If so, could you post a list? Yes yes, I could install Sendmail, but my favorite distro comes automagically with Exim; so I figured I should learn it, as I feel it is more up and coming. No, I do not want to play with any other MTA right now, just Exim.. TIA, The Logan --=20 20:55:01 up 37 days, 53 min, 5 users, load average: 0.01, 0.06, 0.26 May nothing huge ever fall on your head. -- Chicken Little Registered Linux User: 277727 ICQ: 72101412 AIM/Yahoo: LoganTheClever --=-RgHpH3h5b2BdWGFRJ1av Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBALDJM3OecGqSbkyMRAtt4AJ9tdnFtasR0tn7+OeUV/f6iAlosIACgvqaY SZHZP9IplTdDxnOSKykMyFk= =/Sef -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-RgHpH3h5b2BdWGFRJ1av-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 12 21:47:59 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D2lxgv031968 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:47:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1D2lxdk031967 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:47:59 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D2lwgv031963 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:47:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D2lvSP028207 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:47:57 -0500 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1D2lbrI021776 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:47:41 -0500 Received: from user-0c90kqp.cable.mindspring.com ([24.144.83.89] helo=elkenserver.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ArTMf-0006Iq-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:47:37 -0800 Message-ID: <402C3B3F.9080601@elkenserver.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:49:35 -0500 From: Joey Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Warn: mutt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.4, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_30 -0.93, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 [slackware-security] mutt security update (SSA:2004-043-01) Mutt is a text-based program for reading electronic mail. New mutt packages are available for Slackware 8.1, 9.0, 9.1, and -current. These have been upgraded to version 1.4.2i to fix a buffer overflow that could lead to a machine compromise. All sites using mutt should upgrade to the new mutt package. More details about this issue may be found in the Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) database: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2004-0078 Here are the details from the Slackware 9.1 ChangeLog: +--------------------------+ Thu Feb 12 10:00:37 PST 2004 patches/packages/mutt-1.4.2i-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to mutt-1.4.2i. This fixes an overflow that is a potential security hole. Here's the information from www.mutt.org: "Mutt 1.4.2 was released on February 11, 2004. This version fixes a buffer overflow that can be triggered by incoming messages. There are reports about spam that has actually triggered this problem and crashed mutt. It is recommended that users of mutt versions prior to 1.4.2 upgrade to this version, or apply the patch included below." (* Security fix *) +--------------------------+ WHERE TO FIND THE NEW PACKAGE: +-----------------------------+ Updated package for Slackware 8.1: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.1/patches/packages/mutt-1.4.2i-i386-1.tgz Updated package for Slackware 9.0: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-9.0/patches/packages/mutt-1.4.2i-i386-1.tgz Updated package for Slackware 9.1: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-9.1/patches/packages/mutt-1.4.2i-i486-1.tgz Updated package for Slackware -current: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/n/mutt-1.4.2i-i486-1.tgz MD5 SIGNATURES: +-------------+ Slackware 8.1 package: 6250fb75363a53d2286721c48d621698 mutt-1.4.2i-i386-1.tgz Slackware 9.0 package: 47baa04aa5a84862e682cac9232b9c91 mutt-1.4.2i-i386-1.tgz Slackware 9.1 package: 86a9330a2e9a0dcc9e34fce1ec6365e1 mutt-1.4.2i-i486-1.tgz Slackware -current package: e3e397cba66b0c278d74dc31cec3c96d mutt-1.4.2i-i486-1.tgz INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS: +------------------------+ Upgrade the mutt package with upgradepkg: # upgradepkg mutt-1.4.2i-i486-1.tgz +-----+ Slackware Linux Security Team http://slackware.com/gpg-key security@slackware.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 12 21:48:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D2mkgv031987 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:48:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1D2mkoC031986 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:48:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D2mkgv031982 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:48:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D2miSP028225 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:48:44 -0500 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1D2mZ2N024444 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:48:35 -0500 Received: from user-0c90kqp.cable.mindspring.com ([24.144.83.89] helo=elkenserver.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ArTNb-0006Ux-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:48:35 -0800 Message-ID: <402C3B79.5030905@elkenserver.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:50:33 -0500 From: Joey Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Warn: XFree86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 [slackware-security] XFree86 security update (SSA:2004-043-02) New XFree86 base packages are available for Slackware 8.1, 9.0, 9.1, and -current. These fix overflows which could possibly be exploited to gain unauthorized root access. All sites running XFree86 should upgrade to the new package. More details about these issues may be found in the Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) database: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2004-0083 http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2004-0084 http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2004-0106 Here are the details from the Slackware 9.1 ChangeLog: +--------------------------+ Thu Feb 12 10:00:37 PST 2004 patches/packages/xfree86-4.3.0-i486-6.tgz: Patched to fix buffer overflow problems with the parsing of 'font.alias' files that could allow unauthorized code execution. For more details, see: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2004-0083 http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2004-0084 http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2004-0106 (* Security fix *) +--------------------------+ WHERE TO FIND THE NEW PACKAGE: +-----------------------------+ Updated package for Slackware 8.1: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.1/patches/packages/xfree86-4.2.1-i386-3.tgz Updated package for Slackware 9.0: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-9.0/patches/packages/xfree86-4.3.0-i386-3.tgz Updated package for Slackware 9.1: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-9.1/patches/packages/xfree86-4.3.0-i486-6.tgz Updated package for Slackware -current: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/n/xfree86-4.3.0-i486-6.tgz MD5 SIGNATURES: +-------------+ Slackware 8.1 package: 747237b30c8531719c814eb577c3d4a1 xfree86-4.2.1-i386-3.tgz Slackware 9.0 package: 27b14f5599c85ea7b01bc8917898238e xfree86-4.3.0-i386-3.tgz Slackware 9.1 package: cfc34e7db675c7a6ed122c049ff17e3d xfree86-4.3.0-i486-6.tgz Slackware -current package: cfc34e7db675c7a6ed122c049ff17e3d xfree86-4.3.0-i486-6.tgz INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS: +------------------------+ Upgrade the base XFree86 package with upgradepkg: # upgradepkg xfree86-4.3.0-i486-6.tgz X will need to be restarted for the changes to take effect. +-----+ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 12 22:09:33 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D39Xgv032153 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:09:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1D39XJx032152 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:09:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D39Wgv032148 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:09:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D39YSP028976 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:09:34 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1D39NrI023362 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:09:24 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 510C98024; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:09:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:09:23 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] St. Pete Meeting: Not cancled. New place, same time, same day. Message-ID: <20040213030923.GA13669@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: Slug List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp" Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 21:45:27 up 24 days, 8:59, 7 users, load average: 0.51, 0.20, 0.06 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-8.1, required 7, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -4.70, PGP_SIGNATURE_2 -2.21, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, USER_AGENT_MUTT -2.80) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There will be a St. Pete Meeting this month. When: Monday the 23rd, 7:00PM to 9:00PM Where: St. Petersburg College/Gibbs Campus I'll post more details as soon as I have them (early next week). But the meeting will be at SPC/Gibbs. Many thanks to Tom Dulin and SPC for being so kind. :-) There will be a presentation/talk of some kind or another, I believe. Anyway, I'll post the directions (and building and room number) to this thread as soon as I get them. --=20 "Regardless of the legal speed limit, your Buick must be operated at speeds faster than 85 MPH (140kph)." -- 1987 Buick Grand National owners manual. - GPG Fingerprint=3DD67D 2B75 53C6 9769 30E4 D390 239F C833 F32C F6F6 GPG KeyID=3DF32CF6F6 --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFALD/jI5/IM/Ms9vYRArDtAKCZbPTl+XhgsgUHwR36MB+YVzgsvACgo8vk RU5qCEfzG4QMoL48k6u7wLA= =RQln -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 12 22:27:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D3RGgv032326 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:27:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1D3RGe6032325 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:27:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D3RGgv032321 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:27:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D3RGSP029591 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:27:16 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1D3R1rI024534 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:27:01 -0500 Received: from pc (66-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.66]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1D3Qwc6009571 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:26:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:26:40 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] dead(?) UPS? Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:51:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1D3pFBJ032521 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:51:15 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D3pFgv032517 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:51:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D3pESP030436 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:51:14 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1D3p22N028884 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:51:02 -0500 Received: from blackgold (6535219hfc162.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.219.162]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i1D3p15i003631 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:51:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001c01c3f1e4$ea1b48c0$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> From: "bpreece1" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] dead(?) UPS? Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:53:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The MotorCycle batteries will have too much amps. Next check batteries plus then also check the prices of a new APC. They are fairly cheap now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eben King" To: "SLUG Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:26 PM Subject: [SLUG] dead(?) UPS? > I have an APC SmartUPS 2000, which I got in about 1996. It had been > discarded because it had died. (From what I hear, "dead" UPSes can often > be revived by replacement of batteries.) It consists of two boxes, each > about 7"W x 8"H x 37"D, and uses four sealed-lead-acid batteries in > series, for a total of 48V DC. > > My father thinks (after testing parts of the circuit) that it's well and > truly dead, and new batteries won't bring it back, but he's been known to > be pessimistic. > > I replaced one battery in about 1997, but since the UPS was DOA to me, > haven't used it. > > * Before I invest $100 in new batteries, why should I think that that'll > fix this beast? > > * Is the one I already replaced dead now? > > I have an idea of buying the batteries locally (no shipping cost), then > returning them if the UPS fails to charge. > > * Should I scrape together four car/motorcycle batteries, connect them in > series, and test the UPS with that? > > * Is there anybody (locally, as it's too heavy to ship) who can check out > * the brains of the UPS, to verify its operation? > > -- > -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > GEMINI: Your birthday party will be ruined once again by your explosive > flatulence. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 12 23:14:40 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D4EYgv032690 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:14:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1D4EY3e032689 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:14:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D4EXgv032685 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:14:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D4EHSP031193 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:14:25 -0500 Received: from dallas.utilpart.com (67.104.161.74.ptr.us.xo.net [67.104.161.74]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1D4E12N030411 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:14:08 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1NZWDR35>; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:12:24 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD3E7@dallas.utilpart.com> From: wchast@utilpart.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] dead(?) UPS? Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:12:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.74, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have been "recovering" UPS now for quite some time. in fact I used a "bad" one to power a pump in my wife's bait truck until I got a solution that did not need 120 VAC. I replaced the old batteries with deep cycle batteries and off it went. It was a 2KVA unit also. Ran a 1/3 HP pump to keep the bait tanks with moving water. I would do exactly what you planned to do get the batteries and set it up to see if it will work. You can also take the old batteries put them on a charger and see if they will take a charge. Charge each battery separately unless you have a 24 or 48v charger in which case you can charge them two by two or all 4 at the same time. Usually what happens is the old batteries dry out or sulfate over. At that point they are DOA particularly if they are sealed batteries. -----Original Message----- From: Eben King [mailto:eben1@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, 12 February, 2004 22:27 To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] dead(?) UPS? I have an APC SmartUPS 2000, which I got in about 1996. It had been discarded because it had died. (From what I hear, "dead" UPSes can often be revived by replacement of batteries.) It consists of two boxes, each about 7"W x 8"H x 37"D, and uses four sealed-lead-acid batteries in series, for a total of 48V DC. My father thinks (after testing parts of the circuit) that it's well and truly dead, and new batteries won't bring it back, but he's been known to be pessimistic. I replaced one battery in about 1997, but since the UPS was DOA to me, haven't used it. * Before I invest $100 in new batteries, why should I think that that'll fix this beast? * Is the one I already replaced dead now? I have an idea of buying the batteries locally (no shipping cost), then returning them if the UPS fails to charge. * Should I scrape together four car/motorcycle batteries, connect them in series, and test the UPS with that? * Is there anybody (locally, as it's too heavy to ship) who can check out * the brains of the UPS, to verify its operation? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar GEMINI: Your birthday party will be ruined once again by your explosive flatulence. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 12 23:36:49 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D4angv000410 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:36:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1D4andr000409 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:36:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D4amgv000405 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:36:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D4aqSR032075 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:36:52 -0500 Received: from nolab.conman.org (user72.209.42.38.dsli.com [209.42.38.72] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1D4ai2N032065 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:36:44 -0500 Received: by nolab.conman.org (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 1FCD9F09; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nolab.conman.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1091782 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:36:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:36:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew M. Hoerter" X-X-Sender: amh@kwalitee.nolab.conman.org To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [SLUG] dead(?) UPS? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Eben King wrote: > I have an idea of buying the batteries locally (no shipping cost), then > returning them if the UPS fails to charge. That's probably your best bet. > * Should I scrape together four car/motorcycle batteries, connect them in > series, and test the UPS with that? Eh... not sure that's such a great idea. Automotive batteries are designed to provide a huge surge of starting current to turn over a motor, for a few seconds. Deep-cycle UPS (or marine, or general duty) batteries are designed to provide more modest amounts of current for much longer periods of time, and for a lot of full discharge/charge cycles. If you were going to do this, you'd be better off with deep-cycle batteries. I'm most familiar with the marine variety, but the more sophisticated the chemistry is, the higher the cost. Since your charging cycle can depend on the chemistry, you'd want to stick with something similar to the original (I guess most residential UPS's have been lead acid in the past, don't know for sure). > * Is there anybody (locally, as it's too heavy to ship) who can check out > * the brains of the UPS, to verify its operation? If it's a SmartUPS, then it should have a serial port on the back for communication with a host. If you have a Windows machine that you can install PowerChute on, that might serve as a verification that the controller hardware is okay. I seem to recall PowerChute giving a lot of good info, like direct measurements of input frequency and voltage, etc. Who knows, maybe it would tell you something useful. If you hook it up to line voltage, turn it on, and you don't even get indicator lights on the front panel, something may be seriously wrong. Worst case, somebody might be selling the electronic innards on EBay or something... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 12 23:50:07 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D4o7gv000514 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:50:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1D4o7tO000513 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:50:07 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D4o3gv000509 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:50:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D4o3SP032478 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:50:03 -0500 Received: from greta.gschmidt.net (cvg-65-29-208-35.cinci.rr.com [65.29.208.35]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1D4ns2N000121 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:49:54 -0500 Received: from gschmidt.net (unknown [192.168.1.1]) by greta.gschmidt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20F46FE31 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:49:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <402C5776.2090000@gschmidt.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:49:58 -0500 From: greg schmidt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031107 Debian/1.5-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] list bash environment variables Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Slugs, I can do something like "echo $HTTP_PROXY" to see how that bash environment variable is currently set, but how can I see ALL my bash environment variables and their values? 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 12 23:53:14 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D4rEgv000572 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:53:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1D4rEnG000571 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:53:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D4rDgv000567 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:53:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D4r9ST032614 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:53:09 -0500 Received: from server109.anhosting.com (server109.anhosting.com [205.243.144.67]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1D4r22N000371 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:53:03 -0500 Received: from 6532249hfc153.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.249.153] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ArVK4-0002FI-FE for slug@nks.net; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:53:04 -0600 From: Steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dead(?) UPS? Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:52:53 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD3E7@dallas.utilpart.com> In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD3E7@dallas.utilpart.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402122352.53827.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.anhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.751, required 7, AWL -0.65, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 12 February 2004 11:12 pm, wchast@utilpart.com wrote: > I have been "recovering" UPS now for quite some time. > in fact I used a "bad" one to power a pump in my wife's > bait truck until I got a solution that did not need > 120 VAC. > > I replaced the old batteries with deep cycle batteries > and off it went. It was a 2KVA unit also. Ran a 1/3 HP > pump to keep the bait tanks with moving water. > > I would do exactly what you planned to do get the batteries > and set it up to see if it will work. You can also take > the old batteries put them on a charger and see if they > will take a charge. Charge each battery separately unless > you have a 24 or 48v charger in which case you can charge > them two by two or all 4 at the same time. Actually you should not charge batteries together if they might be in different condition as the bad one will pull down the good one. Simply test each one independently and note their charge. If you have run the UPS for a little bit they will all have received charge. Now when you compare them you'll find one or more being noticibly less than the others. If you have any juice left in the batteries, turn on the UPS and see if it charges over time. Use the built-in self test. (Press 1/Test button for 5 sec and it will kick in.) Not test the batteries. Has any one increased in charge? Actually if you call APC they will give you some help over the phone. I recently bought four batteries for SmartUPS on US19 and paid about $50 each. There are four 12V 17Ah batteries in a SmartUPS 2200. I had one of the three being bad but decided to get brand new ones anyway, just to not have to worry about it as these will charge and discharge at the same rate. If you do put new ones in, once it's 100% charged, put a load of about 33% on it and let it fully discharge. This will reset the onboard computer to know the charge in the new batteries. Mine ran for 57 minutes on a 33% charge. -- Steve __________________________________________________ You actually need to constantly be alert and willing to handle things, or life will find a way to get you good! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 00:21:37 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D5Lbgv000787 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:21:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1D5Lap2000786 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:21:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D5Lagv000782 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:21:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D5LaSP001355 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:21:36 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1D5LF2N002808 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:21:15 -0500 Received: from 50CAL (653228hfc124.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.28.124]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1D5L6bF023836 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:21:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian Armstrong" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] list bash environment variables Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:21:03 -0500 Message-ID: <005701c3f1f1$30e5ba40$fd00a8c0@50CAL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <402C5776.2090000@gschmidt.net> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Try typing 'env' at a command prompt. -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of greg schmidt Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:50 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] list bash environment variables Slugs, I can do something like "echo $HTTP_PROXY" to see how that bash environment variable is currently set, but how can I see ALL my bash environment variables and their values? 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To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] list bash environment variables Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:21:36 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <402C5776.2090000@gschmidt.net> In-Reply-To: <402C5776.2090000@gschmidt.net> X-Reply-Content-Type: No HTML Mail, please! Send plain text. X-GPG-Fingerprint: AE1C 123A 1153 8A63 E8A9 FAEA 111D CCB8 7527 701B X-Message-flag: This has been a test of the M$ Outlook virus system... Had this been an actual virus, you'd have been... Well, toast. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Description: clearsigned data Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402130021.36160.brian@linuxwidows.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.7, required 7, BAYES_20 -2.60, EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION -0.50, IN_REP_TO -0.37, PGP_SIGNATURE -2.27, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.38, REFERENCES -0.00, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES 0.00, UPPERCASE_25_50 0.97, USER_AGENT_KMAIL -0.47) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i1D5M1gv000791 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 12 February 2004 23:49, greg schmidt wrote: > Slugs, > > I can do something like "echo $HTTP_PROXY" to see how that bash environment > variable is currently set, but how can I see ALL my bash environment > variables and their values? $ env - -- deja moo - the feeling you've heard this bull before... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Brian Coyle, GCIA http://www.giac.org/GCIA.php iD8DBQFALF7gER3MuHUncBsRAm5gAJ9bOHNMks1ewZcMIfVAqI4c9dhdjwCfSNlV 5sSoT3D+0JnbL90HKZKkaS8= =6Pic -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 02:05:01 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D751gv001568 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:05:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1D751pV001567 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:05:01 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D750gv001563 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:05:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1D750SP005207 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:05:00 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1D74j2N010426 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:04:45 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (6535181hfc43.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.181.43]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1D74hc5022304 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:04:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <402C770B.5050209@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:04:43 -0500 From: jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dead(?) UPS? References: <001c01c3f1e4$ea1b48c0$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <001c01c3f1e4$ea1b48c0$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.906, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net bpreece1 wrote: >The MotorCycle batteries will have too much amps. > > That shouldn't be a problem. The battery that my old UPS used had the same rating as the one my Harley used. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 09:51:48 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DEplgv005246 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:51:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1DEpg4c005243 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:51:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DEpfgv005239 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:51:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DEpfSP023009 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:51:41 -0500 Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1DEpQrI010911 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:51:30 -0500 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (bigip1-snat [216.200.145.29]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DED4D4B4 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 588CC7269; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:50:58 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 06:50:57 -0800 (PST) From: David Meyer To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Debian Install - Partial Success - Need Help X-Originating-Ip: [208.232.182.41] Message-Id: <20040213145058.588CC7269@sitemail.everyone.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.2, required 7, AWL 0.00, HTTP_USERNAME_USED 0.66, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET 4.00, USERPASS 1.30) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello, I FINALLY got Debian to install cleanly on my laptop (which I was pretty proud of) using the 3.0r2 CD (#1 only), skipping dselect (as advised by most of you) and getting the rest off the web. I was using the 2.2 kernel (by accident) so once I got things up and running, I decided to reinstall using the bf24 option and the 2.4 kernel. Things were going nicely, but when I went to connect to the mirror to download the updates, it failed. Said it couldn't connect. That was behind our firewall (yes, I put in the correct authentication info) so I did the http://user:pass@proxy:port and got the same thing. So I tried again at home with no proxy, and the same thing happened. This morning, I burned a new CD from a different source and the same thing happened. So...do I need to install a different way? If so, what is recommended? Should I just download all the CD's? I thought it might be my hardware except this laptop is only one year old, and the older 2.2 kernel install worked just fine. Any advice would be apprecited. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 10:01:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DF1hgv005328 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:01:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1DF1hEb005327 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:01:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DF1ggv005323 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:01:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DF1gSP023312 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:01:42 -0500 Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1DF1WrI011655 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:01:32 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar7-4-65-196-099.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.65.196.99] helo=192.168.2.5) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Areot-0005E3-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 07:01:32 -0800 From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Small Data Base Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:02:03 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402131002.04013.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c260945349ab46eb65f70634e68bb45ccee112601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.7, required 7, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.64, RCVD_IN_RFCI 1.09, USER_AGENT 0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi All I would appreciate direction in how to procede with one of my business projects. I have a spread sheat which shows business conacts plus related information used in ongoing business operations. Spread sheats being spread sheats they are hard to read and easy to modify by accident thus I would like to place this information into a data base program that can only be modified by design. I have looked at Kaddress and Gnome Card and have realized that I perfer Kaddress over Gnome Card but I am unable to modify the header names of NAME, ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER et to more applicable names for my use not withstanding the fact that there could be a data import issue which I have not explored yet. This raises the question: Is there a simple similiar data base or a simple way to creat one in which I could make the presentation more equal to my desires? Thanks Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 10:10:20 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DFAJgv005406 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:10:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1DFAJDQ005405 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:10:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DFAJgv005401 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:10:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DFAIST023597 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:10:19 -0500 Received: from imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.72]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1DFAC2N014802 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:10:12 -0500 Received: from cssi-fl.com ([208.61.161.129]) by imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040213151008.EUFJ4980.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@cssi-fl.com> for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:10:08 -0500 From: patrick grantham To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Linux invoicing program. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 10:17:57 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DFHvgv005455 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:17:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1DFHv85005454 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:17:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DFHvgv005450 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:17:57 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DFHvSP023858 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:17:57 -0500 Received: from nks.net (icb-ws-00.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.12.9/8.12.7/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id i1DFHuFt026667 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:17:56 -0500 Message-ID: <402CEAA4.7070609@nks.net> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:17:56 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian Install - Partial Success - Need Help References: <20040213145058.588CC7269@sitemail.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20040213145058.588CC7269@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net David Meyer wrote: > Hello, > > I FINALLY got Debian to install cleanly on my laptop (which I was pretty proud of) using the 3.0r2 CD (#1 only), skipping dselect (as advised by most of you) and getting the rest off the web. I was using the 2.2 kernel (by accident) so once I got things up and running, I decided to reinstall using the bf24 option and the 2.4 kernel. Things were going nicely, but when I went to connect to the mirror to download the updates, it failed. Said it couldn't connect. That was behind our firewall (yes, I put in the correct authentication info) so I did the http://user:pass@proxy:port and got the same thing. So I tried again at home with no proxy, and the same thing happened. This morning, I burned a new CD from a different source and the same thing happened. > > So...do I need to install a different way? If so, what is recommended? Should I just download all the CD's? I thought it might be my hardware except this laptop is only one year old, and the older 2.2 kernel install worked just fine. > > Any advice would be apprecited. You may set this in your /etc/apt/apt.conf file: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://user:pass@proxy:port/"; or, merely use this trick instead: # export http_proxy=http://user:pass@proxy:port # apt-get update # apt-get dist-upgrade The "http_proxy" environment variable is used by wget, lynx, and a large number of other OpenSource tools. In fact, it's rather neat to update packages on a "protected" firewalled server somewhere via an SSH tunnel: workstation$ ssh -R 8080:{proxy}:{port} root@protectedserver protectedserver# export http_proxy=http://user:pass@localhost:8080 protectedserver# apt-get update protectedserver# apt-get dist-upgrade where {proxy}:{port} is the hostname and port number of an http proxy reachable from your workstation. Enjoy! -- - Ian C. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 12:48:23 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DHmNgv006646 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:48:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1DHmNXZ006645 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:48:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DHmMgv006641 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:48:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DHmMSP028883 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:48:22 -0500 Received: from babyruth.hotpop.com (babyruth.hotpop.com [38.113.3.61]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1DHmHcI025634 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:48:17 -0500 Received: from hotpop.com (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 27741F525A for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ba2k2ksp3 (user-12hci50.cable.mindspring.com [69.22.72.160]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F0081A009F for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <000701c3f259$90de3a40$0600a8c0@ba2k2ksp3> From: "Red Wolfman" To: Subject: [SLUG] nOOb getting started questions Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:48:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.328, required 7, BAYES_20 -1.43, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello I am new to Linux as well as email let alone "mailing list". Please excuse any errors in form etc.. I have attempted to install several different distros with different levels of success. Mandrake 9.2 appears to install with most things working but it messes up my partitions. When I use Partition magic 7 it says i have errors , does it want me to allow it to fix? Are there any distros that do not modify you ext2 partition? Thankyou for any and all help. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 13:08:37 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DI8bgv006819 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:08:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1DI8WZd006818 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:08:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DI8Qgv006814 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:08:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DI8PSb029509 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:08:26 -0500 Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1DI5gcI026834 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:05:45 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar7-4-65-196-099.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.65.196.99] helo=192.168.2.5) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Arhh7-0001Q2-00; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:05:41 -0800 From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net, "Red Wolfman" Subject: Re: [SLUG] nOOb getting started questions Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:06:14 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <000701c3f259$90de3a40$0600a8c0@ba2k2ksp3> In-Reply-To: <000701c3f259$90de3a40$0600a8c0@ba2k2ksp3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402131306.15085.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c2609e17e162ac6e3698e49860ceeefcfeb97350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.905, required 7, AWL -1.30, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 13 February 2004 12:48 pm, Red Wolfman wrote: > Hello > > I am new to Linux as well as email let alone "mailing list". Please excuse > any errors in form etc.. > > I have attempted to install several different distros with different levels > of success. Mandrake 9.2 appears to install with most things working but > it messes up my partitions. When I use Partition magic 7 it says i have > errors , does it want me to allow it to fix? > > Are there any distros that do not modify you ext2 partition? > > Thankyou for any and all help. > When I tried Partition Magic with Mandrake 9.0 it did not work well. I solved that issue by using expert mode when installing Mandrake. Maybe that is what you should try. Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 13:55:48 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DItlgv007181 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:55:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1DItdSQ007180 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:55:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DItXgv007176 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:55:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DItXSP031234 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:55:33 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1DItHcI030393 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:55:17 -0500 Received: from ms-mss-04 (ms-mss-04-smtp-bk [10.10.4.9]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1DItFbE021302 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:55:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-04.tampabay.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HT100CAADW3PS@ms-mss-04.tampabay.rr.com> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:55:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.10.6.25] by ms-mss-04.tampabay.rr.com (mshttpd); Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:55:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:55:15 -0500 From: VSINGLETON@cfl.rr.com Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian Install - Partial Success - Need Help To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <1f0d9b1f2a2a.1f2a2a1f0d9b@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.934, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16, USERPASS 3.81) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ian Blenke wrote: > In fact, it's rather neat to update packages on a "protected" > firewalled > server somewhere via an SSH tunnel: > > workstation$ ssh -R 8080:{proxy}:{port} root@protectedserver > protectedserver# export http_proxy=http://user:pass@localhost:8080 > protectedserver# apt-get update > protectedserver# apt-get dist-upgrade > > where {proxy}:{port} is ... I wish this was the default procedure in all of our release notes here. Vernon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 14:45:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DJjEgv007555 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:45:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1DJjEQa007554 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:45:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DJjDgv007550 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:45:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DJjDSP000422 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:45:13 -0500 Received: from babyruth.hotpop.com (babyruth.hotpop.com [38.113.3.61]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1DJj4PC001102 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:45:04 -0500 Received: from hotpop.com (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 93EF610AD38 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ba2k2ksp3 (user-12hci50.cable.mindspring.com [69.22.72.160]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 68D5D1A015E for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <000e01c3f269$e9eda7a0$0600a8c0@ba2k2ksp3> From: "Red Wolfman" To: References: <000701c3f259$90de3a40$0600a8c0@ba2k2ksp3> <200402131306.15085.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] nOOb getting started questions Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:45:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.152, required 7, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR 1.05, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks Frank I have statrted with windows 200 on all of my hard drive, then used partition magic to resize W2k to 30 MEG and Left 29 MB unassigned for future linux install. I have then installed Mandrake 9.2 used custom (I think) and selected my blank area of my hard drive and then used the auto setting. It creates a boot section, a swap section, and another ext2 section. Install proceeds successfully. However when I try to use Partition Magic 7.0 again to check on partitions or to free up more space, I get the error messages ..do I want PM to fix? Here's where my perplextion lies. Do I tell PM to fix or not? do I take the hint that maybe I should look for another distro that doesn't modify my partions. I have also tried Mandrake 10.0 beta 2 and it makes the hard drive useless. My w2k will work but PM now says that my whole Hard Drive is "BAD". Lesson learned: I'm to much a nOOb to play with betas. After all this I found out that Mandrake is coming out of bankruptcy or the french word for it. had I known I may have put more time into learning another distro. Knoppix looks like a good possibility if I can figure out how to install it on the hard drive. from there I can get to Debian or Gentoo.But first I have to get Knoppix on. ---- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Roberts - SOTL" To: ; "Red Wolfman" Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] nOOb getting started questions > On Friday 13 February 2004 12:48 pm, Red Wolfman wrote: > > Hello > > > > I am new to Linux as well as email let alone "mailing list". Please excuse > > any errors in form etc.. > > > > I have attempted to install several different distros with different levels > > of success. Mandrake 9.2 appears to install with most things working but > > it messes up my partitions. When I use Partition magic 7 it says i have > > errors , does it want me to allow it to fix? > > > > Are there any distros that do not modify you ext2 partition? > > > > Thankyou for any and all help. > > > When I tried Partition Magic with Mandrake 9.0 it did not work well. > > I solved that issue by using expert mode when installing Mandrake. > > Maybe that is what you should try. > > Frank > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 15:47:39 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DKldgv008020 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:47:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1DKld1p008019 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:47:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DKlXgv008015 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:47:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DKlWSR002484 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:47:33 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1DKlI12003368 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:47:18 -0500 Received: (qmail 4482 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 20:47:13 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 20:47:13 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ArkCv-0003wI-00 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:46:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:46:37 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] nOOb getting started questions Message-ID: <20040213204637.GB15060@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <000701c3f259$90de3a40$0600a8c0@ba2k2ksp3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000701c3f259$90de3a40$0600a8c0@ba2k2ksp3> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.271, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 0.53, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 12:48:18PM -0500, Red Wolfman wrote: > Hello > > I am new to Linux as well as email let alone "mailing list". Please excuse > any errors in form etc.. > > I have attempted to install several different distros with different levels > of success. Mandrake 9.2 appears to install with most things working but it > messes up my partitions. When I use Partition magic 7 it says i have errors > , does it want me to allow it to fix? > > Are there any distros that do not modify you ext2 partition? If you already have ext2 partitions set up, Mepis will ask if you want to use them when you install. In fact, if there is already Linux junk on there, it will overwrite part of it, and leave other parts in place (not a good idea). I'd suggest booting from something like Knoppix (a live CD distro or something that does not touch your hard drive) and wipe your ext2 partition(s). Don't delete them, just wipe the contents. Then install Mepis and answer the install questions appropriately. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 16:10:28 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DLASgv008216 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:10:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1DLARQc008215 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:10:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DLARgv008211 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:10:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DLALSV003240 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:10:22 -0500 Received: from snickers.hotpop.com (snickers.hotpop.com [38.113.3.51]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1DL9xPC006762 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:09:59 -0500 Received: from hotpop.com (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EC83C71F39 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:45:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ba2k2ksp3 (user-12hci50.cable.mindspring.com [69.22.72.160]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 442681A015E for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <000801c3f275$a8b27930$0600a8c0@ba2k2ksp3> From: "Red Wolfman" To: References: <000701c3f259$90de3a40$0600a8c0@ba2k2ksp3> <20040213204637.GB15060@quillandmouse.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] nOOb getting started questions Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:09:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.1, required 7, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have MEPIS, what type of partitions do I need. Swap of ? size (I'm running 1GIG MB) ant ext2 for remainder of 30 MB? since I have Patition Magic 7.0 can I set up the partitions that way? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul M Foster" To: Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] nOOb getting started questions > On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 12:48:18PM -0500, Red Wolfman wrote: > > > Hello > > > > I am new to Linux as well as email let alone "mailing list". Please excuse > > any errors in form etc.. > > > > I have attempted to install several different distros with different levels > > of success. Mandrake 9.2 appears to install with most things working but it > > messes up my partitions. When I use Partition magic 7 it says i have errors > > , does it want me to allow it to fix? > > > > Are there any distros that do not modify you ext2 partition? > > If you already have ext2 partitions set up, Mepis will ask if you want > to use them when you install. In fact, if there is already Linux junk on > there, it will overwrite part of it, and leave other parts in place (not > a good idea). I'd suggest booting from something like Knoppix (a live CD > distro or something that does not touch your hard drive) and wipe your > ext2 partition(s). Don't delete them, just wipe the contents. Then > install Mepis and answer the install questions appropriately. > > Paul > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 16:30:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DLUjgv008383 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:30:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1DLUjr5008382 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:30:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DLUigv008378 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:30:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DLUhSX003934 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:30:44 -0500 Received: from twix.hotpop.com (twix.hotpop.com [38.113.3.71]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1DLTPPC008075 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:29:25 -0500 Received: from hotpop.com (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D6618D7258A for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (user-12hci50.cable.mindspring.com [69.22.72.160]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551FF1A0163; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Red Wolfman Subject: [SLUG] Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:29:21 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.1, required 7, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have a 60gig HD w2k on 29,635.5 MB and 29,008.0 MB Unallocated I would like to use Partition Magic 7.0 to put Linux in the Unallocated area. With 1Gig MB RAM what size swap do I need? One thing said twice the amount of RAM and one said 512k?* ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 16:31:44 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DLVigv008395 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:31:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1DLViXL008394 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:31:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DLVhgv008390 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:31:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DLVhSP003992 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:31:43 -0500 Received: from babyruth.hotpop.com (babyruth.hotpop.com [38.113.3.61]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1DLVUPC008265 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:31:31 -0500 Received: from hotpop.com (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C5C810B41D for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (user-12hci50.cable.mindspring.com [69.22.72.160]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558581A013E; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Red Wolfman Subject: [SLUG] Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:31:27 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.1, required 7, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have a 60gig HD w2k on 29,635.5 MB and 29,008.0 MB Unallocated I would like to use Partition Magic 7.0 to put Linux in the Unallocated area. With 1Gig MB RAM what size swap do I need? One thing said twice the amount of RAM and one said 512k? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 16:48:07 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DLm7gv008527 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:48:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1DLm6EZ008526 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:48:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DLm6gv008522 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:48:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DLm5SR004524 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:48:06 -0500 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1DLlvPC009298 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:47:57 -0500 Received: from user-0c90kqp.cable.mindspring.com ([24.144.83.89] helo=elkenserver.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ArlAC-0006pO-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:47:57 -0800 Message-ID: <402D4685.3050707@elkenserver.net> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:49:57 +0000 From: Joey Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net With 1G of ram you really don't need swap Red Wolfman wrote: > I have a 60gig HD w2k on 29,635.5 MB and 29,008.0 MB Unallocated > > I would like to use Partition Magic 7.0 to put Linux in the > Unallocated area. > > With 1Gig MB RAM what size swap do I need? One thing said twice the > amount of RAM > and one said 512k?* > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 16:55:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DLtAgv008596 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:55:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1DLtAMx008595 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:55:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DLt9gv008587 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:55:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DLt3SR004750 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:55:04 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (adslh225.cofs.net [207.87.240.225]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1DLsk12007932 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:54:47 -0500 Received: from digitalhermit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F55573 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207.87.240.225 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:53:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <65409.207.87.240.225.1076709229.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:53:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.831, required 7, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I have a 60gig HD w2k on 29,635.5 MB and 29,008.0 MB Unallocated > > I would like to use Partition Magic 7.0 to put Linux in the Unallocated > area. > > With 1Gig MB RAM what size swap do I need? One thing said twice the > amount of RAM > and one said 512k?* > It really depends on what you're going to be using the machine for. If you're using typical desktop applications (and using a recent kernel) you can get away with little swap. However, keep in mind that the kernel will use swap to move inactive processes out of physical memory. This can speed up the general usage of the machine in any case so it's a good idea to have at least as much swap and physical memory. This gets debated a lot :D In the 2.2 series kernels, swap was additive. If you had 512M or RAM and 512M of swap it would give your 1G of working memory. From 2.4.0 to about 2.4.10, swap became more of a backing store so 512M of RAM and 1G of swap would give you 1G of working memory. After (about) 2.4.10, the memory system went back to the original behaviour (though the code was very different) so 512M RAM/512M swap again gacve 1G of working memory. I always like to mention that 1G or even 2G of swap is often proportionally *smaller* than the 64M that was recommended in days of 540M hard drives. If you do decide to run without swap you'll need to look at the "overcommit" options. This lets the OS give processes as much memory as they request without running into permission problems. This can get ugly if you do actually need to touch all that memory, however. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 17:02:38 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DM2cgv008664 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:02:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1DM2W0S008663 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:02:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DM2Wgv008659 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:02:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DM2WSR005008 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:02:32 -0500 Received: from snickers.hotpop.com (snickers.hotpop.com [38.113.3.51]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1DM2012008583 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:02:07 -0500 Received: from hotpop.com (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5989D702B7 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:38:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (user-12hci50.cable.mindspring.com [69.22.72.160]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4071A0135; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:38:26 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <402D4685.3050707@elkenserver.net> References: <402D4685.3050707@elkenserver.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <372C9892-5E70-11D8-A93D-0005022B6A66@hotpop.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Red Wolfman Subject: Re: [SLUG] Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:01:46 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.1, required 7, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Do i need root and ext or just one ext2 partition? On Feb 13, 2004, at 4:49 PM, Joey Dale wrote: > With 1G of ram you really don't need swap > > Red Wolfman wrote: > >> I have a 60gig HD w2k on 29,635.5 MB and 29,008.0 MB Unallocated >> >> I would like to use Partition Magic 7.0 to put Linux in the >> Unallocated area. >> >> With 1Gig MB RAM what size swap do I need? One thing said twice the >> amount of RAM >> and one said 512k?* >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >> Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >> posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >> official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. >> >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 17:37:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DMbDgv008933 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:37:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1DMbDuN008932 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:37:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DMbCgv008928 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:37:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DMbCSR006236 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:37:12 -0500 Received: from twix.hotpop.com (twix.hotpop.com [38.113.3.71]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1DMb1PC012744 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:37:01 -0500 Received: from hotpop.com (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by twix.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 123AAD72680 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (user-12hci50.cable.mindspring.com [69.22.72.160]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3829C1A015C; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <214ADF08-5E75-11D8-A93D-0005022B6A66@hotpop.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Red Wolfman Subject: [SLUG] trying to install MEPIS Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:36:57 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.1, required 7, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I partitioned the second half of my HD with 4 Gig ext2, 2 Gig SWAP, remainder ext2 click on the MEPIS Installation center- meinstall----password (root). Install MEPHIS on Hard Drive--next USE disk pull down choice sda or hdb ?????? At this point I'm lost help please ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 17:50:20 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DMoKgv009057 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:50:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1DMo96v009056 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:50:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DMo8gv009027 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:50:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1DMo0SP006656 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:50:01 -0500 Received: from server109.anhosting.com (server109.anhosting.com [205.243.144.67]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1DMnf12011806 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:49:41 -0500 Received: from 6532249hfc153.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.249.153] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Arm7u-0002Fg-2A for slug@nks.net; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:49:38 -0600 From: Steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:49:33 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <65409.207.87.240.225.1076709229.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <65409.207.87.240.225.1076709229.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402131749.33722.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.anhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.746, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 13 February 2004 04:53 pm, Kwan Lowe wrote: > > I have a 60gig HD w2k on 29,635.5 MB and 29,008.0 MB Unallocated > > > > I would like to use Partition Magic 7.0 to put Linux in the > > Unallocated area. > > > > With 1Gig MB RAM what size swap do I need? One thing said twice the > > amount of RAM > > and one said 512k?* The rule has been twice the RAM. I stick to it but never larger than 1G. As for partitions that depends too. I like breaking down things so that I have: root (1-2G) mostly for /opt dedicated kernel space (/boot) 100M nosuid noexec /home -20G, /var 750M and /tmp 250M dedicated program space (/usr) 200M seperate noexec-nosuid /usr/share 150M as it's user writable By having /home on a separate partition you can upgrade your system without loosing your personal stuff. Only allowing those directories that contain executables be non-executable and non-suid makes it safer. I like different sizes which sometimes makes it easier to tell what it was used for. You can go a step further and make those partitions that don't change read-only. On the other hand on the partitions that I create to test distro's I usually only have a /boot and a /, as it will not see too much action and I remove them often. (Guess I could drop the /boot all together but with it I can easily swap it with some other kernels if I want to.) -- Steve __________________________________________________ You actually need to constantly be alert and willing to handle things, or life will find a way to get you good! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 19:05:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E05kgv009637 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:05:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1E05kVK009636 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:05:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E05jgv009632 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:05:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E05jSP009348 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:05:45 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1E05G12017183 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:05:17 -0500 Received: (qmail 16301 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 00:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 00:05:16 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] trying to install MEPIS Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:05:14 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <214ADF08-5E75-11D8-A93D-0005022B6A66@hotpop.com> In-Reply-To: <214ADF08-5E75-11D8-A93D-0005022B6A66@hotpop.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402131905.15220.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.195, required 7, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.87, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 0.33) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 13 February 2004 05:36 pm, you wrote: > USE disk pull down choice sda or hdb ?????? > At this point I'm lost help please > You mention having a 60 g HD ... but only one. Do you have a scsi disk? (sda) or a second ide hard drive? (hdb) I'm not that familiar with Mepis (installed it once, wasn't impressed, installed over it.) so I'm not certain what else might be on the screen you are looking at, but the choice being offered here refers to a second physical drive (as opposed to a logical drive that is actually a partition of a physical one). If you only have a single physical hard drive, the question doesn't apply to you. Bill -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 19:01:01 up 38 days, 19:43, 6 users, load average: 0.21, 0.38, 0.35 21:58:52 up 34 days, 2:11, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 19:57:32 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E0vWgv010019 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:57:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1E0vQQW010018 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:57:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E0vQgv010014 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:57:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E0vPSP011047 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:57:25 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1E0v812020594 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:57:09 -0500 Received: from washpat.com (168-2.9-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.9.2.168]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05012 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:49:57 -0500 Message-ID: <402D742A.7030702@washpat.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:04:42 -0500 From: Aaron Steimle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Derek's iptable script Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.646, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net After having failure after failure, I decided to try Derek's Iptable script that Paul posted on the slug website. After running the script, everything worked fine. Almost, I am still unable to ssh into the firewall like the scripts says. I am running iptables 1.2.7a. Has anyone else had this problem with Derek's script. Ssh does work inside, I just can't ssh from the outside in. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 20:12:24 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E1COgv010147 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:12:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1E1CIUP010146 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:12:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E1CIgv010142 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:12:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E1CHST011564 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:12:18 -0500 Received: from snickers.hotpop.com (snickers.hotpop.com [38.113.3.51]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1E1Bx12021635 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:11:59 -0500 Received: from hotpop.com (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CD0A71FE4 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (user-12hci50.cable.mindspring.com [69.22.72.160]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD341A017E; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:48:33 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <200402131905.15220.bill13510@wwnet.net> References: <214ADF08-5E75-11D8-A93D-0005022B6A66@hotpop.com> <200402131905.15220.bill13510@wwnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Red Wolfman Subject: Re: [SLUG] trying to install MEPIS Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:11:56 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.1, required 7, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have two ide hard drives, no scsi,one zip100 ide, a dvd(ide),a cdrw(ide), and a floppy. On Feb 13, 2004, at 7:05 PM, Bill Canaday wrote: > On Friday 13 February 2004 05:36 pm, you wrote: > >> USE disk pull down choice sda or hdb ?????? >> At this point I'm lost help please >> > You mention having a 60 g HD ... but only one. Do you have a scsi > disk? (sda) > or a second ide hard drive? (hdb) > > I'm not that familiar with Mepis (installed it once, wasn't impressed, > installed over it.) so I'm not certain what else might be on the > screen you > are looking at, but the choice being offered here refers to a second > physical > drive (as opposed to a logical drive that is actually a partition of a > physical one). > > If you only have a single physical hard drive, the question doesn't > apply to > you. > > Bill > -- > http://cannaday.us (genealogy) > http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) > Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. > 19:01:01 up 38 days, 19:43, 6 users, load average: 0.21, 0.38, 0.35 > 21:58:52 up 34 days, 2:11, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 20:20:18 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E1KHgv010220 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:20:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1E1KHr2010219 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:20:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E1KGgv010215 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:20:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E1KGSR011830 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:20:16 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1E1K212022146 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:20:03 -0500 Received: from washpat.com (168-2.9-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.9.2.168]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05099 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:12:51 -0500 Message-ID: <402D7989.4040304@washpat.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:27:37 -0500 From: Aaron Steimle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Derek's iptable script References: <402D742A.7030702@washpat.com> In-Reply-To: <402D742A.7030702@washpat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.646, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ignore ALL. Good lesson, XX.X.X.128 is not the same as XX.X.X.168 You would be supprised what a difference of 4 makes. head hung down in shame. Off to cry and get drunk. Aaron Steimle wrote: > After having failure after failure, I decided to try Derek's Iptable > script that Paul posted on the slug website. > > After running the script, everything worked fine. Almost, I am still > unable to ssh into the firewall like the scripts says. > > I am running iptables 1.2.7a. Has anyone else had this problem with > Derek's script. > > Ssh does work inside, I just can't ssh from the outside in. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 20:51:00 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E1p0gv010465 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:51:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1E1otMY010464 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:50:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E1osgv010460 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:50:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E1osSR012930 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:50:54 -0500 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1E1oRPC025947 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:50:28 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955918pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.98]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2004021401502301400sbgbfe>; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:50:23 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1ArovF-00073u-00 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:48:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] trying to install MEPIS From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: References: <214ADF08-5E75-11D8-A93D-0005022B6A66@hotpop.com> <200402131905.15220.bill13510@wwnet.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-MEbDX4WJKK3FVoccyQ+1" Message-Id: <1076723325.8712.29.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:48:45 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.515, required 7, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.87, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-MEbDX4WJKK3FVoccyQ+1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 20:11, Red Wolfman wrote: > I have two ide hard drives, no scsi,one zip100 ide, a dvd(ide),a=20 > cdrw(ide), and a floppy. >=20 > On Feb 13, 2004, at 7:05 PM, Bill Canaday wrote: >=20 > > On Friday 13 February 2004 05:36 pm, you wrote: > > > >> USE disk pull down choice sda or hdb ?????? > >> At this point I'm lost help please Ahhh, It sees your zip drive as SCSI (sda4). You want to use hdb. The Logan --=20 20:45:01 up 38 days, 43 min, 3 users, load average: 0.50, 0.85, 0.87 If toast always lands butter-side down and cats always land on their feet, = what happens if you strap toast on the back of a cat and drop it? -- Steven= Wright GAIM nonsense: ICQ: 72101412 AIM/Yahoo: LoganTheClever Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-MEbDX4WJKK3FVoccyQ+1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBALX583OecGqSbkyMRAjGaAKCuXlZTt9j9qow9qx+wyd6q5oCQ3gCgvoJI 1B+quOS4Lq3Yx8EbWd0w/3k= =S/7q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-MEbDX4WJKK3FVoccyQ+1-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 22:06:44 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E36hgv011018 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:06:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1E36hcI011017 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:06:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E36ggv011013 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:06:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E36gSP015594 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:06:42 -0500 Received: from babyruth.hotpop.com (babyruth.hotpop.com [38.113.3.61]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1E36bPC031325 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:06:37 -0500 Received: from hotpop.com (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 49D4E10BC2C for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 03:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (user-12hci50.cable.mindspring.com [69.22.72.160]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057241A015F; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 02:43:05 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1076723325.8712.29.camel@sirus> References: <214ADF08-5E75-11D8-A93D-0005022B6A66@hotpop.com> <200402131905.15220.bill13510@wwnet.net> <1076723325.8712.29.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Red Wolfman Subject: Re: [SLUG] trying to install MEPIS Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:06:26 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.1, required 7, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net will that put it on my primary hard drive that has my w2K? On Feb 13, 2004, at 8:48 PM, Logan Tygart wrote: > On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 20:11, Red Wolfman wrote: >> I have two ide hard drives, no scsi,one zip100 ide, a dvd(ide),a >> cdrw(ide), and a floppy. >> >> On Feb 13, 2004, at 7:05 PM, Bill Canaday wrote: >> >>> On Friday 13 February 2004 05:36 pm, you wrote: >>> >>>> USE disk pull down choice sda or hdb ?????? >>>> At this point I'm lost help please > > Ahhh, It sees your zip drive as SCSI (sda4). You want to use hdb. > > The Logan > -- > 20:45:01 up 38 days, 43 min, 3 users, load average: 0.50, 0.85, 0.87 > If toast always lands butter-side down and cats always land on their > feet, what happens if you strap toast on the back of a cat and drop > it? -- Steven Wright > GAIM nonsense: ICQ: 72101412 AIM/Yahoo: LoganTheClever > Registered Linux User: 277727 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 22:51:41 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E3pegv011378 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:51:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1E3peKC011377 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:51:40 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E3pegv011373 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:51:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E3pdSP017147 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:51:40 -0500 Received: from server109.anhosting.com (server109.anhosting.com [205.243.144.67]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1E3pR12032694 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:51:27 -0500 Received: from 6532249hfc153.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.249.153] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Arqq0-0007LW-Q3 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:51:28 -0600 From: Steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] trying to install MEPIS Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:51:23 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <214ADF08-5E75-11D8-A93D-0005022B6A66@hotpop.com> In-Reply-To: <214ADF08-5E75-11D8-A93D-0005022B6A66@hotpop.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402132251.23580.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.anhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.746, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 13 February 2004 05:36 pm, Red Wolfman wrote: > I partitioned the second half of my HD with 4 Gig ext2, 2 Gig SWAP, > remainder ext2 > > click on the MEPIS Installation center- meinstall----password > (root). Install MEPHIS on Hard Drive--next > > USE disk pull down choice sda or hdb ?????? > At this point I'm lost help please Danger Will Robinson! Danger!! You don't give enough information to do what you're doing without risk. You need to discover what partitions you have and any free space. If you have used up all your disk space then you need to defrag Windows (at least twice, or it will leave clusters scattered across the disk) and pack it up in the beginning of the disk. Detecting which partitions are in use is key especially if you're going to erase any. Both windows and Linux can tell you what you have before you get going with the new install. Take notes. Backup any important data to some other disk or computer. Hard drives are labelled according to what type of interface they use. IDE's are hda, hdb, hdc etc. SCSI are sda, sdb, sdc etc. Your newer BIOS will let you choose what to boot on. If you decide to use a SCSI then make sure it's on SCSI ID 0. In your case it does seem that your ZIP drive might be sda. The fact that you have a hdb and not a hda indicates your hard drive is jumpered to be a slave instead of master. List your drive letters and what they point to under windows. Reboot into the BIOS and list what drives it says you have. Windows really badly wants to be the first OS on the first partition on the first drive. You can fool it with Grub but it's usually easier to just leave it there. Once windows is installed it's safe to install something like Linux or whatever. Reinstalling windows will wipe out the boot sector, just to be sure it's the "boss". You can easily handle that by simply load grub and have it write in a new boot sector. F.ex.: 'grub' 'root (hd0,1)' first drive, 2nd partition (pointing to /boot) 'setup (hd0)' 'quit' This will rewrite your boot sector with grub. Keep a boot floppy or CD to run this if needed. -- Steve __________________________________________________ You actually need to constantly be alert and willing to handle things, or life will find a way to get you good! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 13 23:39:44 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E4digv011729 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:39:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1E4dixl011728 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:39:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E4dhgv011724 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:39:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E4dhSP018704 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:39:43 -0500 Received: from snickers.hotpop.com (snickers.hotpop.com [38.113.3.51]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1E4dVPC004806 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:39:32 -0500 Received: from hotpop.com (kubrick.hotpop.com [38.113.3.103]) by snickers.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A3EC471E7F for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (user-12hci50.cable.mindspring.com [69.22.72.160]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4821A00AE; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:16:03 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <200402132251.23580.steve@szmidt.org> References: <214ADF08-5E75-11D8-A93D-0005022B6A66@hotpop.com> <200402132251.23580.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Red Wolfman Subject: Re: [SLUG] trying to install MEPIS Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:39:28 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.1, required 7, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net My PM primary master is my 60 gig with w2k on half---the second half is a question as to format with Partition Magic 7.0 into swap,ext2--or ext2,swap,ext2,---or leave "unassigned"? My PS(primary slave) is a 120 gig -used to hold ghost images and other backups On Feb 13, 2004, at 10:51 PM, Steve wrote: > On Friday 13 February 2004 05:36 pm, Red Wolfman wrote: >> I partitioned the second half of my HD with 4 Gig ext2, 2 Gig SWAP, >> remainder ext2 >> >> click on the MEPIS Installation center- meinstall----password >> (root). Install MEPHIS on Hard Drive--next >> >> USE disk pull down choice sda or hdb ?????? >> At this point I'm lost help please > > Danger Will Robinson! Danger!! > > You don't give enough information to do what you're doing without risk. > > You need to discover what partitions you have and any free space. > If you have used up all your disk space then you need to defrag Windows > (at least twice, or it will leave clusters scattered across the disk) > and pack it up in the beginning of the disk. > > Detecting which partitions are in use is key especially if you're going > to erase any. Both windows and Linux can tell you what you have before > you get going with the new install. Take notes. Backup any important > data to some other disk or computer. > > Hard drives are labelled according to what type of interface they use. > IDE's are hda, hdb, hdc etc. SCSI are sda, sdb, sdc etc. > > Your newer BIOS will let you choose what to boot on. If you decide to > use a SCSI then make sure it's on SCSI ID 0. In your case it does seem > that your ZIP drive might be sda. > > The fact that you have a hdb and not a hda indicates your hard drive is > jumpered to be a slave instead of master. > > List your drive letters and what they point to under windows. Reboot > into the BIOS and list what drives it says you have. > > > Windows really badly wants to be the first OS on the first partition on > the first drive. You can fool it with Grub but it's usually easier to > just leave it there. Once windows is installed it's safe to install > something like Linux or whatever. Reinstalling windows will wipe out > the boot sector, just to be sure it's the "boss". You can easily handle > that by simply load grub and have it write in a new boot sector. > F.ex.: > 'grub' > 'root (hd0,1)' first drive, 2nd partition (pointing to /boot) > 'setup (hd0)' > 'quit' > > This will rewrite your boot sector with grub. Keep a boot floppy or CD > to run this if needed. > > -- > Steve > > __________________________________________________ > You actually need to constantly be alert > and willing to handle things, or life > will find a way to get you good! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 14 03:41:49 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E8fngv013527 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 03:41:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1E8fnB1013526 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 03:41:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E8fhgv013522 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 03:41:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1E8fhSP028228 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 03:41:43 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1E8fPPC023565 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 03:41:25 -0500 Received: (qmail 5925 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 08:41:24 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 08:41:24 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ArvM2-0004gP-00 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 03:40:50 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 03:40:46 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] nOOb getting started questions Message-ID: <20040214084046.GA17980@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <000701c3f259$90de3a40$0600a8c0@ba2k2ksp3> <20040213204637.GB15060@quillandmouse.com> <000801c3f275$a8b27930$0600a8c0@ba2k2ksp3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000801c3f275$a8b27930$0600a8c0@ba2k2ksp3> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.271, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 0.53, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 04:09:21PM -0500, Red Wolfman wrote: > I have MEPIS, what type of partitions do I need. Swap of ? size (I'm running > 1GIG MB) ant ext2 for remainder of 30 MB? since I have Patition Magic 7.0 > can I set up the partitions that way? > Generally, swap is 2x your memory size or more. The rest can just be ext2. If you're dealing with one physical drive (that is, Windows is on another physical drive), you can just let Mepis govern the partitions on your Linux drive. Otherwise, as above. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 14 11:23:14 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1EGNEgv017099 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:23:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1EGND5e017098 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:23:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1EGNDgv017094 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:23:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1EGNDSP013922 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:23:13 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1EGMx12023546 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:22:59 -0500 Received: (qmail 2966 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2004 16:22:58 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2004 16:22:58 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1As2Yl-000540-00 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:22:27 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:22:22 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail rejected from AOL - SOLVED Message-ID: <20040214162222.GB17980@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List References: <20040205025149.GE6493@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040205025149.GE6493@quillandmouse.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.271, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 0.53, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 09:51:49PM -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: > My wife was trying to send an email to a customer on AOL tonite and got > the following message back: > > 152 fatal error from smtp transport: > 554- (RTR:DU) The IP address you are using to connect to AOL is a > dynamic > 554- (residential) IP address. AOL will not accept future e-mail > transactions > 554- from this IP address until your ISP removes this IP address from > its list > 554- of dynamic (residential) IP addresses. For additional information, > 554 please visit http://postmaster.info.aol.com. > > I tried telnetting into their mail servers, and got the same exact > message. We're on a residential DSL with dynamic IP. > > It sounds like AOL is blocking email from any dynamic IP. Is that right? > It sounds completely psychotic. Was there a news item I missed? > For those interested, this shouldn't ever happen if you're using a smart host (SMTP server on the internet) and your MTA is properly configured. This is, in fact, AOL's stated policy; they will not accept email from dynamic-IP servers. They see this as a way of cutting down spam. What happened in this case was that I had my wife's MTA (smail) misconfigured to deliver mail directly to the mail server of the domain in the recipient address, rather than delivering to my internet mail server for them to handle. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 14 12:20:59 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1EHKxgv017531 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:20:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1EHKxfE017530 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:20:59 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1EHKwgv017526 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:20:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1EHKrSP015925 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:20:58 -0500 Received: from server109.anhosting.com (server109.anhosting.com [205.243.144.67]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1EHKbPC031162 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:20:37 -0500 Received: from 6532249hfc153.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.249.153] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1As3T3-000055-Aa for slug@nks.net; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:20:37 -0600 From: Steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] trying to install MEPIS Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:20:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <214ADF08-5E75-11D8-A93D-0005022B6A66@hotpop.com> <200402132251.23580.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402141220.32808.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.anhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.746, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 13 February 2004 11:39 pm, Red Wolfman wrote: > My PM primary master is my 60 gig with w2k on half---the second half > is a question as to format with Partition Magic 7.0 into > swap,ext2--or ext2,swap,ext2,---or leave "unassigned"? > > My PS(primary slave) is a 120 gig -used to hold ghost images and > other backups And so now you are trying to decide how to use the space right? I'd install on my fastest drive. Plus realize that if you put two drives on the same cable and one is slower than the other (i.e. 33MHz and 133MHz) this will slow down the faster drive. Also, whenever possible it's almost always better to use ext3 over ext2. I've removed my MEPIS install and I don't recall if it supports ext3 but I would imagine so as it's a pretty good distro. run hdparm -tT /dev/hda run hdparm -tT /dev/hdb and you'll see how they compare. The high number is read from the cache while the slower is from the disk. Meanwhile what I think you should do is make sure you don't overwrite an existing partition and then go ahead and install it a few times. Make different choices and see how it affect things. Make sure you write down what partitions you create. Remove them and start over. Soon you'll be and old hand at installing Linux. You can easily install whole distro's on 5G of space. Keep the same swap for all of them. I have had 16 of them at one time. : ) Learn how Grub works and then for each new install you can have it create a boot manager on it's own partition (this way you see how it boots) and then later when you know how it works you don't install a boot managers once you have one in the boot partition (initially for Linux and w2k). Then you just add a boot option for each distro you install. Now you can check them all out and see what you prefer. At a later point you should get an installation program called apt. It automatically gets all the libraries it depends on for you. Whereas rpm only installs whatever is in the rpm. Usually that does not include things it depends on. Apt is a big time saver. Yum is another one. There is a fundamental difference in philosophy between Unix versions and windows. Windows has a "trust us to take care of it for you" approach. Every single configuration option is hidden behind a window. This can be all very well provided it functions as advertised and does not inhibit your ability to get the "job" done. Linux on the other hand started from the very opposite side and is reaching towards windows. What is so different is that is built on entrusting the user with the ability and choices to make it work the way he/she needs it to. Unix is based on many small programs doing one and one thing only Very well. If you need multiple functions you string them together. And everything can talk to everything else. I think that bill gates got the idea that he could improve on this very simple approach. What he did was adding a huge amount of complexity in his quest of improving on Unix. He did not succeed as is evident. It's a nightmare to manage. So under Linux you should take the time to learn a little bit more than under windows. But the gain is many times larger in terms of freedom and power. It really pays of to know your tools well. Now this may not be for you and if so you'll only install what the distribution has included. If you are not comfortable in messing with installs you might want to use the second drive exclusively for this to start with. This way you can see what happens as you add and remove different distro's or whatever. If you have data on your "backup" drive already then move it to CD. > On Feb 13, 2004, at 10:51 PM, Steve wrote: > > On Friday 13 February 2004 05:36 pm, Red Wolfman wrote: > >> I partitioned the second half of my HD with 4 Gig ext2, 2 Gig > >> SWAP, remainder ext2 > >> > >> click on the MEPIS Installation center- meinstall----password > >> (root). Install MEPHIS on Hard Drive--next > >> > >> USE disk pull down choice sda or hdb ?????? > >> At this point I'm lost help please > > > > Danger Will Robinson! Danger!! > > > > You don't give enough information to do what you're doing without > > risk. > > > > You need to discover what partitions you have and any free space. > > If you have used up all your disk space then you need to defrag > > Windows (at least twice, or it will leave clusters scattered across > > the disk) and pack it up in the beginning of the disk. > > > > Detecting which partitions are in use is key especially if you're > > going to erase any. Both windows and Linux can tell you what you > > have before you get going with the new install. Take notes. Backup > > any important data to some other disk or computer. > > > > Hard drives are labelled according to what type of interface they > > use. IDE's are hda, hdb, hdc etc. SCSI are sda, sdb, sdc etc. > > > > Your newer BIOS will let you choose what to boot on. If you decide > > to use a SCSI then make sure it's on SCSI ID 0. In your case it > > does seem that your ZIP drive might be sda. > > > > The fact that you have a hdb and not a hda indicates your hard > > drive is jumpered to be a slave instead of master. > > > > List your drive letters and what they point to under windows. > > Reboot into the BIOS and list what drives it says you have. > > > > > > Windows really badly wants to be the first OS on the first > > partition on the first drive. You can fool it with Grub but it's > > usually easier to just leave it there. Once windows is installed > > it's safe to install something like Linux or whatever. Reinstalling > > windows will wipe out the boot sector, just to be sure it's the > > "boss". You can easily handle that by simply load grub and have it > > write in a new boot sector. F.ex.: > > 'grub' > > 'root (hd0,1)' first drive, 2nd partition (pointing to /boot) > > 'setup (hd0)' > > 'quit' > > > > This will rewrite your boot sector with grub. Keep a boot floppy or > > CD to run this if needed. > > > > -- > > Steve > > > > __________________________________________________ > > You actually need to constantly be alert > > and willing to handle things, or life > > will find a way to get you good! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >---- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in > > messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily > > reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its > > employees. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 14 12:34:39 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1EHYdgv017651 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:34:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1EHYdOf017650 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:34:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1EHYcgv017646 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:34:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1EHYcSP016392 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:34:38 -0500 Received: from jeremybowers.com (rrcs-se-24-173-132-30.biz.rr.com [24.173.132.30]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1EHYU12028500 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:34:31 -0500 Received: from nebbiolo.vineyard (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jeremybowers.com (8.12.8/8.12.5) with ESMTP id i1EI6AN3028409 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:06:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (ferret@localhost) by nebbiolo.vineyard (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id i1EI6AbL028405 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:06:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: nebbiolo.vineyard: ferret owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:06:10 -0500 (EST) From: jeremy bowers X-X-Sender: ferret@nebbiolo.vineyard To: "Suncoast Linux User's Group" Subject: [SLUG] TwinView 3D Problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1463811839-813700838-1076781970=:24145" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---1463811839-813700838-1076781970=:24145 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII After agonizing minutes of getting twinview set up on my PNY GeForce 4 Ti 4200-64-8x, I noticed that any 3D-accelerated game that's supposed to be "full screen" shows up only halfway on the far-right-hand-side of the right-most monitor. It also shows up halfway on the far left-hand-side of the left-most monitor, but as a greyed-out window with black contents. It does not show the "other half" of the game. The monitor orientation has monitor 1 plugged into a dvi-vga adapter, and monitor two is set up "LeftOf" on the original vga port. This configuration with nearly the same XF86Config worked great in SuSE 9 and did not have this problem. (It's set up like this because the right-hand monitor is clearly the brighter/better of the two, and I spend most of my time on it.) For a moment or two, I thought I had erred in my twinview configuration. However, the 2D view is perfect. I'm gonna include my XF86Config below for closer scrutiny. I'm using fedora core 1 with apt-rpm and the latest nvidia drivers. Everything EXCEPT the position of the 3D-accelerated games is fine, in that they are clearly accelerated and not choppy or otherwise distorted. Anybody got a clue? 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 14 12:55:39 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1EHtdgv017815 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:55:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1EHtdTE017814 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:55:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1EHtcgv017810 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:55:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1EHtbSZ017081 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:55:38 -0500 Received: from server109.anhosting.com (server109.anhosting.com [205.243.144.67]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1EHtJPC000678 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:55:19 -0500 Received: from 6532249hfc153.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.249.153] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1As40d-0002Hr-22 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:55:19 -0600 From: Steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] TwinView 3D Problem Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:55:14 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402141255.14514.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.anhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.746, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 14 February 2004 01:06 pm, jeremy bowers wrote: > After agonizing minutes of getting twinview set up on my PNY GeForce > 4 Ti 4200-64-8x, I noticed that any 3D-accelerated game that's > supposed to be "full screen" shows up only halfway on the > far-right-hand-side of the right-most monitor. It also shows up > halfway on the far left-hand-side of the left-most monitor, but as a > greyed-out window with black contents. It does not show the "other > half" of the game. > > The monitor orientation has monitor 1 plugged into a dvi-vga adapter, > and monitor two is set up "LeftOf" on the original vga port. This > configuration with nearly the same XF86Config worked great in SuSE 9 > and did not have this problem. (It's set up like this because the > right-hand monitor is clearly the brighter/better of the two, and I > spend most of my time on it.) > > For a moment or two, I thought I had erred in my twinview > configuration. However, the 2D view is perfect. I'm gonna include my > XF86Config below for closer scrutiny. I'm using fedora core 1 with > apt-rpm and the latest nvidia drivers. Everything EXCEPT the position > of the 3D-accelerated games is fine, in that they are clearly > accelerated and not choppy or otherwise distorted. > > Anybody got a clue? I'm desperate to play the UT2004 demo! > > --Jeremy One of the things with twinview is that some apps like OpenOffice which depends on the corrects ratios to display a letter size page as a letter size box. I noticed that you do not have DisplaySize in the Monitor section. To get proper ratio I had to double from 400 x 300 to 800 x 300. Since it's now twice as wide. Your numbers may vary as I run at 1600x1200. DisplaySize 800 300 -- Steve __________________________________________________ You actually need to constantly be alert and willing to handle things, or life will find a way to get you good! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 14 16:08:57 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1EL8vgv019212 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:08:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1EL8vrV019211 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:08:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1EL8ugv019207 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:08:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1EL8uSP023658 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:08:56 -0500 Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1EL8fPC013744 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:08:42 -0500 Received: from Arthur.Joe-Di.net ([4.65.194.211]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040214210841.SMLZ11926.out009.verizon.net@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:08:41 -0600 Subject: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] TwinView 3D Problem From: Joe Brandt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1076843173.25017.1.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4-8mdk Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:06:13 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [4.65.194.211] at Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:08:41 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: spam, SpamAssassin (score=7.002, required 7, DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 1.95, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.30, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 2.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sssssss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Have you downloaded the kernel source and compiled your own NVidia drivers? The NVidia drivers were the hardest hurdles to overcome in Linux. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 14 20:33:30 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1F1XUgv021237 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:33:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1F1XUSc021236 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:33:30 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1F1XTgv021232 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:33:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1F1XSSd000628 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:33:29 -0500 Received: from server109.anhosting.com (server109.anhosting.com [205.243.144.67]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1F1WiPC032180 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:32:44 -0500 Received: from 6532249hfc153.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.249.153] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AsB9J-0003Wh-8y for slug@nks.net; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:32:45 -0600 From: Steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] TwinView 3D Problem Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:32:39 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <1076843173.25017.1.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> In-Reply-To: <1076843173.25017.1.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402142032.39952.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.anhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.746, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 15 February 2004 06:06 am, Joe Brandt wrote: > Have you downloaded the kernel source and compiled your own NVidia > drivers? > > The NVidia drivers were the hardest hurdles to overcome in Linux. Sure. Easy sailing. I do it every time there's a new kernel. Just make sure you have the kernel source installed. Then change runlevel to 3. Execute the next line as root, and it will build a new driver for you. sh NVIDIA_XXXXXXXXXXXxxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxx -- Steve __________________________________________________ You actually need to constantly be alert and willing to handle things, or life will find a way to get you good! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 14 21:07:11 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1F27Agv021490 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:07:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1F27AfR021489 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:07:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1F26xgv021480 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:07:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1F26xSP001872 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:06:59 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1F26pPC001893 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:06:51 -0500 Received: from pc (66-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.66]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1F26n1d016024 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:06:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:06:30 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] pad a variable with spaces in bash? Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:30:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1F2UOhH021690 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:30:24 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1F2UOgv021686 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:30:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1F2UNST002701 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:30:23 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1F2U5PC003535 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:30:06 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 260D1802B; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:30:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:30:01 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] pad a variable with spaces in bash? Message-ID: <20040215023000.GA12286@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 21:24:49 up 1 day, 2:40, 7 users, load average: 0.02, 0.08, 0.12 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net printf: #!/bin/bash foo=$(printf "%-8s" bar) echo "a${foo}b" Spake Eben King on Saturday, February 14, 2004 at 09:06PM -0500: > Does anybody know how to pad a variable with spaces in bash? In {pd}ksh, > > .-- > | #! /bin/ksh > | typeset -L8 foo=bar > | echo "a${foo}b" > '-- > > would print > abar b > > How would I do a similar thing in bash (without calling ksh -c 'typeset > -L8 foo=bar; echo "a${foo}b"')? > > -- > -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > Your pretended fear lest error might step in is like the man who > would keep all wine out of the country lest men should be drunk. > -- Oliver Cromwell > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > -- "Rise up this morning, smile with the rising sun. Three little birds, sits by my doorstep. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 15 02:01:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1F719gv023727 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:01:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1F719V1023726 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:01:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1F718gv023722 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:01:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1F718SP012630 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:01:08 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1F70oPC023496 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:00:51 -0500 Received: (qmail 10383 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 07:00:50 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 07:00:50 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AsGGG-0001GV-00 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:00:16 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 02:00:12 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] trying to install MEPIS Message-ID: <20040215070012.GD17980@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <214ADF08-5E75-11D8-A93D-0005022B6A66@hotpop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <214ADF08-5E75-11D8-A93D-0005022B6A66@hotpop.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.271, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 0.53, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 05:36:57PM -0500, Red Wolfman wrote: > I partitioned the second half of my HD with 4 Gig ext2, 2 Gig SWAP, > remainder ext2 > > click on the MEPIS Installation center- meinstall----password (root). > Install MEPHIS on Hard Drive--next > > USE disk pull down choice sda or hdb ?????? > At this point I'm lost help please "sda" refers to something other than your hard drives, unless they are SCSI. Most likely a zip or CD burner. "hdb" refers to the second hard drive on your primary IDE channel. Here's the way this works under Linux. Hard drives are (typically) hda, hdb, hdc and hdd. The "a" and "b" are the first and second hard drives on the first (primary) IDE channel, in that order. The "c" and "d" are the first and second hard drives on the second (slave) IDE channel. Like this: Linux HD name IDE Channel HD order ------------- ----------- -------- hda 0 (primary) 1 hdb 0 (primary) 2 hdc 1 (secondary) 1 hdd 1 (secondary) 2 Within a given hard drive, there are additional subdivisions, which are really partition numbers. So for example, hda1 would be the first partition on the first hard drive on the primary IDE channel. hdb3 would be the third partition on the second hard drive on the primary IDE channel. >From here, it's up to you to determine which partition/hard drive represents data you wish to preserve, or which can be wiped. I don't recall, but most likely, after asking you which hard drive, Mepis will ask for specific partitions, if it detects something already on a hard drive. Most likely, you can back out if an action looks like it might erase your data. I believe Steve mentioned ext3. Mepis does indeed support ext3. The standard Linux filesystem is ext2. Ext3 is nearly identical to ext2, except that it includes a journalling capability. This lessens the likelihood that a catastrophic event (like accidentally hitting the OFF switch) will corrupt the contents of your partition. Since you're having some difficulty with this, I'd strongly suggest installing Linux on its own hard drive. That way, if you mess up, you can always start over. And you won't be in danger of messing up your Windows data. Chances are, Mepis is smart enough to figure out you've got Windows data on your drive and not mess with it. But if you're paranoid about it, the safe bet is to install on a separate drive. In perfect world, Linux would be pre-installed on your hard drive, and you wouldn't have to mess with this. But since we haven't achieved World Domination(tm) yet, you get to slog through some difficult stuff like this on installs. Windows isn't that much easier to install; it's just that we tend to be more familiar with Windows terminology and methods, after dealing with it for so many years. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 15 10:29:29 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1FFTSgv027685 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:29:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1FFTNbk027684 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:29:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1FFTMgv027680 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:29:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1FFTMSR001131 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:29:22 -0500 Received: from web80502.mail.yahoo.com (web80502.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.72]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1FFRlPC001070 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:27:47 -0500 Message-ID: <20040215152746.23645.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.26.225.163] by web80502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:27:46 PST Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:27:46 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Ritenour Subject: [SLUG] Anyone know how to keep persistant ftp conection on apache (mandrake linux) ? To: suncoast linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net My FTP connection times out to quickly for me, and not quite sure how to tweak the config files. I've seen some notes where this is modified in the xinetd.config (or inetc.config) any help is appreciated. michael ritenour ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 15 11:19:19 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1FGJJgv028046 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:19:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1FGJIDo028045 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:19:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1FGJIgv028041 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:19:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1FGJHSR002931 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:19:18 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1FGJC12001020 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:19:12 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (148-114.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.114.148]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1FGJ91c029606; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:19:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <402F9BF5.5010309@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:19:01 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dead(?) UPS? References: <001c01c3f1e4$ea1b48c0$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> <402C770B.5050209@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <402C770B.5050209@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have two garden tractor batteries in series for 24 Volts (about 100 Ah) (same price as the correct 7 Ah batteries) in a box under my 700 kVA APC UPS, so far works fine, few power failures here. >> The MotorCycle batteries will have too much amps. > That shouldn't be a problem. The battery that my old UPS used had the > same rating as the one my Harley used. -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 15 12:03:37 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1FH3bgv028394 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:03:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1FH3bPd028393 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:03:37 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1FH3agv028389 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:03:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1FH3aSP004564 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:03:36 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (adslh225.cofs.net [207.87.240.225]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1FH3Q12004400 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:03:26 -0500 Received: from digitalhermit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F65E4E4 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207.87.240.225 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:02:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <65344.207.87.240.225.1076864538.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <20040215152746.23645.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040215152746.23645.qmail@web80502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:02:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Anyone know how to keep persistant ftp conection on apache (mandrake linux) ? From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.831, required 7, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > My FTP connection times out to quickly for me, and not > quite sure how to tweak the config files. > > I've seen some notes where this is modified in the > xinetd.config (or inetc.config) > > any help is appreciated. > It's usually set inside the ftpd config file and this depends on which server you're running (e.g., wuftpd, proftpd, vsftpd, etc.). Search your docs for "idle timeout" and it should list the option. For example, proftpd uses the TimeoutIdle directive to set how long an idle connection is maintained. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 15 13:14:18 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1FIEIgv028970 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:14:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1FIEIUF028969 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:14:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1FIEHgv028965 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:14:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1FIECSP007143 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:14:12 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1FIDmPC013053 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:13:48 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (163-102.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.102.163]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1FIDk5i026067 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:13:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] lost file From: Dennis McDonald To: SLUG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 15 Feb 2004 13:13:41 -0500 Message-Id: <1076868827.1343.99.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I can't find an .xls file I was using in Open Office. I know I did not delete or rename it, but suspect it may have been open when I shutdown. Is there so way to recover lost .xls files? I used kfind to list all the xls files, but it was not in this list . Any other ideas? Thanks Dennis ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 15 13:14:28 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1FIESgv028978 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:14:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1FIEScV028977 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:14:28 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1FIERgv028973 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:14:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1FIERSP007153 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:14:27 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1FIEDPC013084 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:14:14 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (163-102.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.102.163]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1FIECbE000921 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:14:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] lost file From: Dennis McDonald To: SLUG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 15 Feb 2004 13:14:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1076868853.1279.100.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I can't find an .xls file I was using in Open Office. I know I did not delete or rename it, but suspect it may have been open when I shutdown. Is there so way to recover lost .xls files? I used kfind to list all the xls files, but it was not in this list . Any other ideas? Thanks Dennis ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 15 21:35:22 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1G2ZLgv032664 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:35:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1G2ZLfw032663 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:35:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1G2ZKgv032659 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:35:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1G2ZKSX024160 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:35:20 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1G2ZB12011355 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:35:11 -0500 Received: (qmail 20960 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 02:35:10 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 02:35:10 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AsYaj-0007BP-00 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:34:37 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:34:33 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] TwinView 3D Problem Message-ID: <20040216023433.GB27571@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <1076843173.25017.1.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> <200402142032.39952.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200402142032.39952.steve@szmidt.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.271, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 0.53, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 08:32:39PM -0500, Steve wrote: > On Sunday 15 February 2004 06:06 am, Joe Brandt wrote: > > Have you downloaded the kernel source and compiled your own NVidia > > drivers? > > > > The NVidia drivers were the hardest hurdles to overcome in Linux. > > Sure. Easy sailing. I do it every time there's a new kernel. > > Just make sure you have the kernel source installed. Then change > runlevel to 3. Execute the next line as root, and it will build a new > driver for you. > > sh NVIDIA_XXXXXXXXXXXxxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxx > I thought nvidia didn't issue source, only binaries for their drivers. Was I wrong? Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 15 21:52:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1G2qHgv000345 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:52:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1G2qHBf000344 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:52:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1G2qGgv000340 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:52:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1G2qGSP024780 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:52:16 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1G2q7PC015819 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:52:07 -0500 Received: (qmail 21840 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 02:52:06 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 02:52:06 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AsYr7-0007Cn-00 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:51:33 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:51:29 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] lost file Message-ID: <20040216025129.GE27571@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG References: <1076868827.1343.99.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1076868827.1343.99.camel@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.271, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 0.53, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 01:13:41PM -0500, Dennis McDonald wrote: > I can't find an .xls file I was using in Open Office. I know I did not > delete or rename it, but suspect it may have been open when I shutdown. > Is there so way to recover lost .xls files? I used kfind to list all the > xls files, but it was not in this list . Any other ideas? > Thanks > Dennis > It may not end in .xls anymore. It may instead be .xls~ or .xls with some other gobbledegook appended to it (it could be a backup). You might instead try to find something along the lines of "*.xls*" in kfind. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 15 23:38:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1G4c4gv001127 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:38:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1G4c4Js001126 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:38:04 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1G4c3gv001122 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:38:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1G4c3SR028263 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:38:03 -0500 Received: from server109.anhosting.com (server109.anhosting.com [205.243.144.67]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1G4bo12019811 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:37:51 -0500 Received: from 6532249hfc153.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.249.153] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AsaVf-0002Zm-Kf for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:37:31 -0600 From: Steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] TwinView 3D Problem Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:37:25 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <200402142032.39952.steve@szmidt.org> <20040216023433.GB27571@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20040216023433.GB27571@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402152337.26091.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.anhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.746, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 15 February 2004 09:34 pm, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 08:32:39PM -0500, Steve wrote: > > On Sunday 15 February 2004 06:06 am, Joe Brandt wrote: > > > Have you downloaded the kernel source and compiled your own > > > NVidia drivers? > > > > > > The NVidia drivers were the hardest hurdles to overcome in Linux. > > > > Sure. Easy sailing. I do it every time there's a new kernel. > > > > Just make sure you have the kernel source installed. Then change > > runlevel to 3. Execute the next line as root, and it will build a > > new driver for you. > > > > sh NVIDIA_XXXXXXXXXXXxxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxx > > I thought nvidia didn't issue source, only binaries for their > drivers. Was I wrong? Nah. You're not compiling, just linking. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 16 09:48:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GEm7gv005801 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:48:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1GEm7xx005800 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:48:07 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GElwgv005792 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:48:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GElvSP019789 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:47:58 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (242833hfc254.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.33.254]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1GElgPC005882 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:47:42 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1GEkDgp021473 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:46:13 -0500 Received: (from Casimir@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id i1GEkDGP021471 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:46:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: Casimir set sender to MrPeaceful@cfl.rr.com using -f Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] TwinView 3D Problem From: Tyler Vann-Campbell To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200402152337.26091.steve@szmidt.org> References: <200402142032.39952.steve@szmidt.org> <20040216023433.GB27571@quillandmouse.com> <200402152337.26091.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-QVrxpMkjqZ39b0nuRP9g" Organization: Casimirage.com Message-Id: <1076942770.1192.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:46:10 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-QVrxpMkjqZ39b0nuRP9g Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2004-02-15 at 23:37, Steve wrote: > On Sunday 15 February 2004 09:34 pm, Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 08:32:39PM -0500, Steve wrote: > > > On Sunday 15 February 2004 06:06 am, Joe Brandt wrote: > > > > Have you downloaded the kernel source and compiled your own > > > > NVidia drivers? > > > > > > > > The NVidia drivers were the hardest hurdles to overcome in Linux. > > > > > > Sure. Easy sailing. I do it every time there's a new kernel. > > > > > > Just make sure you have the kernel source installed. Then change > > > runlevel to 3. Execute the next line as root, and it will build a > > > new driver for you. > > > > > > sh NVIDIA_XXXXXXXXXXXxxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxx > > > > I thought nvidia didn't issue source, only binaries for their > > drivers. Was I wrong? >=20 > Nah. You're not compiling, just linking. Yeah, it's the kernel interface that changes so often it's easier to make it for each one, but the drivers are still binary only. -- Another hour, another error report... - Eric S. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 16 09:57:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GEvAgv005888 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:57:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1GEvAKH005887 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:57:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GEv9gv005883 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:57:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GEv9SP020167 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:57:09 -0500 Received: from vandemar.local ([208.26.45.251]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1GEv3PC006633 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:57:03 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vandemar.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F46FE667 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:57:03 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <402D7989.4040304@washpat.com> References: <402D742A.7030702@washpat.com> <402D7989.4040304@washpat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <61342AC0-6090-11D8-9026-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Derek Glidden Subject: Re: [SLUG] Derek's iptable script Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:57:02 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Feb 13, 2004, at 8:27 PM, Aaron Steimle wrote: > Ignore ALL. > > Good lesson, XX.X.X.128 is not the same as XX.X.X.168 > > You would be supprised what a difference of 4 makes. > > head hung down in shame. Off to cry and get drunk. Ah, I thought I felt my name being taken in vain. This however, is appropriate penance. Make sure it's good imported beer or a nice whiskey though. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "We all enter this world in the | Support Electronic Freedom same way: naked; screaming; soaked | http://www.eff.org/ in blood. But if you live your | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ life right, that kind of thing |--------------------------- doesn't have to stop there." -- Dana Gould ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 16 15:57:24 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GKvJgv008576 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:57:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1GKvDOe008575 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:57:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GKv2gv008567 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:57:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GKuwSV001213 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:57:02 -0500 Received: from nolab.conman.org (user72.209.42.38.dsli.com [209.42.38.72] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1GKun12031298 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:56:49 -0500 Received: by nolab.conman.org (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 961F9102E; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:56:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nolab.conman.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9371F1782 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:56:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:56:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew M. Hoerter" X-X-Sender: amh@kwalitee.nolab.conman.org To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] TwinView 3D Problem In-Reply-To: <1076942770.1192.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: References: <200402142032.39952.steve@szmidt.org> <20040216023433.GB27571@quillandmouse.com> <200402152337.26091.steve@szmidt.org> <1076942770.1192.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Tyler Vann-Campbell wrote: > > Nah. You're not compiling, just linking. > Yeah, it's the kernel interface that changes so often it's easier to > make it for each one, but the drivers are still binary only. This is a major reason that I "just say no" to Linux kernel modules. The lack of any well-defined kernel<-->module interface makes them almost unuseable unless everything is carefully matched up by your distribution vendor. Loadable modules are a solved problem in Solaris and probably most other commercial Unices since many years ago. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 16 17:03:55 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GM3sgv009065 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:03:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1GM3n7K009064 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:03:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GM3ngv009060 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:03:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GM3mSP003918 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:03:48 -0500 Received: from vandemar.local ([208.26.45.251]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1GM3RPC005996 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:03:30 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vandemar.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8383104113 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:03:27 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: References: <200402142032.39952.steve@szmidt.org> <20040216023433.GB27571@quillandmouse.com> <200402152337.26091.steve@szmidt.org> <1076942770.1192.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Derek Glidden Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] TwinView 3D Problem Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:03:26 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Feb 16, 2004, at 3:56 PM, Andrew M. Hoerter wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Tyler Vann-Campbell wrote: > >>> Nah. You're not compiling, just linking. > >> Yeah, it's the kernel interface that changes so often it's easier to >> make it for each one, but the drivers are still binary only. > > This is a major reason that I "just say no" to Linux kernel modules. > The > lack of any well-defined kernel<-->module interface makes them almost > unuseable unless everything is carefully matched up by your > distribution > vendor. Huh? Frankly, I'm surprised to hear that Linux has no well-defined module interface. We better go tell all the programmers who are writing kernel modules, not to mention all those linux machines out there loading and running with kernel modules all the time.... It's only an issue with trying to use _precompiled_ kernel modules. Because the ABI may change from minor version to minor version. As Linus (in particular) says, and with which I (and kernel coders) agree 100%: who cares about the people releasing binary-only modules; if they want to stay current and keep their linux users happy, they can recompile for each version and every possible compile-time option, or they can make a source version available. And if they don't, then linux users are usually happy enough not to use their hardware. There's no need to maintain backward ABI compatibility if they determine there is a "better way" of doing things that will only require you recompile whatever kernel modules you're already using to match up to the current interface. nvidia (and others) walk a middle line by writing a "generic" wrapper that can be recompiled version-to-version that links against a library of precompiled code for which they don't want to release the source. > Loadable modules are a solved problem in Solaris and probably most > other > commercial Unices since many years ago. Also in Linux. Except the kernel developers don't maintain old and busted interfaces merely for the sake of backwards combatibility. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "We all enter this world in the | Support Electronic Freedom same way: naked; screaming; soaked | http://www.eff.org/ in blood. But if you live your | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ life right, that kind of thing |--------------------------- doesn't have to stop there." -- Dana Gould ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 16 18:02:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GN25gv009509 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:02:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1GN25Nu009508 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:02:05 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GN24gv009499 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:02:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GN23SP006470 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:02:04 -0500 Received: from web80507.mail.yahoo.com (web80507.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.77]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1GN1pCq011778 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:01:51 -0500 Message-ID: <20040216230150.17639.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.26.225.163] by web80507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:01:50 PST Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:01:50 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Ritenour Subject: [SLUG] ...mandrake 9.2 server and saw the proftpd. [ Thanks Kwan ] To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <65344.207.87.240.225.1076864538.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thank you so much Kwan, I feel like a dummy. Finally looked at the ftp process that was running on mandrake 9.2 server and saw the proftpd. Anyway, found the site and info., on config. awesome help, michael ritenour --- Kwan Lowe wrote: > > > My FTP connection times out to quickly for me, and > not > > quite sure how to tweak the config files. > > > > I've seen some notes where this is modified in the > > xinetd.config (or inetc.config) > > > > any help is appreciated. > > > It's usually set inside the ftpd config file and > this depends on which server > you're running (e.g., wuftpd, proftpd, vsftpd, > etc.). Search your docs for > "idle timeout" and it should list the option. For > example, proftpd uses the > TimeoutIdle directive to set how long an idle > connection is maintained. > > > > -- > * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com > * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 16 18:23:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GNN4gv009680 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:23:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1GNMxdX009674 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:22:59 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GNMwgv009670 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:22:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GNMuST007335 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:22:58 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1GNMXH1012705 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:22:33 -0500 Received: (qmail 7075 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 23:22:32 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 23:22:32 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ass3s-0005ra-00; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:22:00 -0500 To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: From: Paul M Foster Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:22:00 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.271, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 0.53, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 23 February 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) St Petersburg Public Library, Main Branch Auditorium 3745 Ninth Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33713 727-893-7724 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 4 March 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 6 March 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library, 223 Douglas Ave., Community Room B. Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 6 March 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 10 March 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) Student Services Bldg, Room 108 (note change of room) (to the northeast of the Technology Bldg) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 17 March 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Wednesday of each month) Honeywell 8323 Lindbergh Court Sarasota, FL See http://www.bish.net/directions/ *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 16 18:52:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GNqjgv009956 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:52:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1GNqj1N009955 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:52:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GNqigv009951 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:52:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1GNqeST008632 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:52:44 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1GNqNH1016740 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:52:23 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C8F2B7F67; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:52:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:52:22 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-ID: <20040216235222.GA26160@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 18:48:47 up 3 days, 4 min, 8 users, load average: 0.19, 0.22, 0.18 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Actually, the meeting is at St. Pete College/Gibbs campus, somewhere in the TE building. Map of the campus can be found here: http://www.spcollege.edu/spg/Campus/spgmap.htm Directions can be found here: http://www.spcollege.edu/webcentral/campus/to_sp.htm I should know the room number by tomorrow... But they're probably be signs up around the entrances of the TE building, like last time. > ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** > > 23 February 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg > (usually last Monday of each month) > St Petersburg Public Library, Main Branch > Auditorium > 3745 Ninth Ave North > St Petersburg, FL 33713 > 727-893-7724 > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. > -- Do, or do not; there is no try. - GPG Fingerprint=D67D 2B75 53C6 9769 30E4 D390 239F C833 F32C F6F6 GPG KeyID=F32CF6F6 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 16 20:36:16 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1H1a5gv010760 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:36:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1H1a57F010759 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:36:05 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1H1Zugv010751 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:35:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1H1ZqSR012610 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:35:56 -0500 Received: from nolab.conman.org (user72.209.42.38.dsli.com [209.42.38.72] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1H1ZCH1029169 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:35:13 -0500 Received: by nolab.conman.org (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 5A835102D; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nolab.conman.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599901782 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:35:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:35:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew M. Hoerter" X-X-Sender: amh@kwalitee.nolab.conman.org To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] TwinView 3D Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200402142032.39952.steve@szmidt.org> <20040216023433.GB27571@quillandmouse.com> <200402152337.26091.steve@szmidt.org> <1076942770.1192.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Derek Glidden wrote: > It's only an issue with trying to use _precompiled_ kernel modules. You make it sound like that's some kind of obscure corner case, as opposed to the *usual* way that people expect to use kernel modules. An ABI is precisely what I was referring to, I thought it was reasonably obvious. > There's no need to maintain backward ABI compatibility if they > determine there is a "better way" of doing things that will only > require you recompile whatever kernel modules you're already using to > match up to the current interface. I disagree, but there's not much point in continuing the discussion if what I believe to be a bug, you believe to be a feature. > Also in Linux. Except the kernel developers don't maintain old and > busted interfaces merely for the sake of backwards combatibility. Because, of course, anything that's old is by definition busted? How did backwards compatibility get to be a dirty word? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 17 10:37:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1HFblgv017348 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:37:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1HFblDx017347 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:37:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1HFbfgv017343 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:37:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1HFbfSP013153 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:37:41 -0500 Received: from vandemar.local ([208.26.45.251]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1HFbKCq003470 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:37:20 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vandemar.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342D41091EE for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:37:13 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: References: <200402142032.39952.steve@szmidt.org> <20040216023433.GB27571@quillandmouse.com> <200402152337.26091.steve@szmidt.org> <1076942770.1192.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <27C75A5A-615F-11D8-B67D-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Derek Glidden Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] TwinView 3D Problem Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:37:12 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Feb 16, 2004, at 8:35 PM, Andrew M. Hoerter wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Derek Glidden wrote: > >> It's only an issue with trying to use _precompiled_ kernel modules. > > You make it sound like that's some kind of obscure corner case, as > opposed > to the *usual* way that people expect to use kernel modules. An ABI is > precisely what I was referring to, I thought it was reasonably obvious. Um? "usual"? Ok. Maybe in the DOS or Windows world... I thought Linux people kind of understood this whole "open source" thing. You might have heard about it... And no, when someone says "The lack of any well-defined kernel<-->module interface" it's not obvious you mean an ABI; it's pretty obvious you mean you don't think there's a well-defined kernel-to-module interface, which is just plain wrong as a quick look at the kernel source will show. > I disagree, but there's not much point in continuing the discussion if > what I believe to be a bug, you believe to be a feature. Oh man. That's my favorite cop-out. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 17 11:24:39 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1HGOcgv017711 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:24:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1HGOc2Y017710 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:24:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1HGOcgv017706 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:24:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1HGORSP014759 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:24:32 -0500 Received: from nolab.conman.org (user72.209.42.38.dsli.com [209.42.38.72] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1HGOCH1008340 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:24:12 -0500 Received: by nolab.conman.org (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 1B7EDFD0; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nolab.conman.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A84A1782 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:23:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:23:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew M. Hoerter" X-X-Sender: amh@kwalitee.nolab.conman.org To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] TwinView 3D Problem In-Reply-To: <27C75A5A-615F-11D8-B67D-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> Message-ID: References: <200402142032.39952.steve@szmidt.org> <20040216023433.GB27571@quillandmouse.com> <200402152337.26091.steve@szmidt.org> <1076942770.1192.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <27C75A5A-615F-11D8-B67D-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Derek Glidden wrote: > Um? "usual"? Ok. Maybe in the DOS or Windows world... I thought > Linux people kind of understood this whole "open source" thing. You > might have heard about it... And what about people who don't have installed compilers or kernel source? Or those who wouldn't know or care how to compile the kernel even if they had those things? Or who are stuck with closed-source hardware drivers (I know the stock response to that, but hey, it does happen in the real world)? And the problem of distributing third party modules (not even necessarily drivers, if "proprietary" hardware offends your delicate sensibilities), that users might want to obtain in binary format and have things "just work". Like AFS or anything else that lives in the kernel. Not to mention the simple situation of an upgrade, where a single patch (if it does something unexpected) can render your older modules unloadable and trigger a complete recompile. Or going from UP to SMP, or a host of other possible changes. These things are all utter non-problems under Solaris, because there's a DDI/DKI that formalizes the binary interface between kernel and modules. So how does Linux having the same capability become a bad thing? But if you think this situation is actually *desireable*, that it somehow helps the acceptance of Linux, and users enjoy dealing with module hell on a regular basis, then as I said, the discussion is pointless. I'm *far* from the only person to have ever pointed out this problem, so it's clearly something a lot of people want to see resolved for the betterment of Linux. > And no, when someone says "The lack of any well-defined > kernel<-->module interface" it's not obvious you mean an ABI; Except that the context of discussion was compiled modules, and suggesting that there was no C API to write kernel modules would be a rather silly statement. > > I disagree, but there's not much point in continuing the discussion if > > what I believe to be a bug, you believe to be a feature. > Oh man. That's my favorite cop-out. "You're wrong, so there's no > point in discussing anymore. Hurrah I win! I'm the coolest!" I'm not sure how you got all that out of "let's agree to disagree", but suit yourself. I do think you're wrong, but the only loser is Linux in the sense that it's missing a pretty useful feature. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 17 12:03:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1HH3hgv018038 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:03:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1HH3gBb018037 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:03:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1HH3ggv018033 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:03:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1HH3cSP016131 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:03:42 -0500 Received: from server109.anhosting.com (server109.anhosting.com [205.243.144.67]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1HH3GCq014067 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:03:17 -0500 Received: from 6532249hfc153.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.249.153] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1At8cu-0000n2-2M for slug@nks.net; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:03:16 -0600 From: Steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] TwinView 3D Problem Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:03:12 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <1076942770.1192.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402171203.12761.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.anhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.746, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 16 February 2004 03:56 pm, Andrew M. Hoerter wrote: > On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Tyler Vann-Campbell wrote: > > > Nah. You're not compiling, just linking. > > > > Yeah, it's the kernel interface that changes so often it's easier > > to make it for each one, but the drivers are still binary only. > > This is a major reason that I "just say no" to Linux kernel modules. > The lack of any well-defined kernel<-->module interface makes them > almost unuseable unless everything is carefully matched up by your > distribution vendor. > > Loadable modules are a solved problem in Solaris and probably most > other commercial Unices since many years ago. I think it's safe to say that many people prefer to not have to do anything but click on a button and have a program installed. The closer to that the better. Even though I know how to get around the various activities one is sometimes required to in order to install some program, I would prefer not to have to spend the time doing it. This is also where some of the strengths of Linux lies. The ability to compile it to suit your needs. I'd never dream to install Apache for a commercial solution if I could not compile it myself. But I prefer a precompiled one most of the time when I just need a server to test some stuff on. Ditto for many simple apps. In my observation Linux is missing some of the things that is driven by money or need for income. Like th Solaris install/remove solution. The features which are needed to ensure (commercial) customer participation has never been a big need under Linux and thus has not received much/enough attention to cater to the same customers. Flexibility in having the option to do it your way I think is the answer. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 17 12:37:26 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1HHbQgv018316 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:37:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1HHbGc8018315 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:37:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1HHbFgv018311 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:37:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1HHbFSR017293 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:37:15 -0500 Received: from nolab.conman.org (user72.209.42.38.dsli.com [209.42.38.72] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1HHb4H1018938 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:37:04 -0500 Received: by nolab.conman.org (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 6077AF09; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nolab.conman.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBD51782 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:36:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:36:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew M. Hoerter" X-X-Sender: amh@kwalitee.nolab.conman.org To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] TwinView 3D Problem In-Reply-To: <200402171203.12761.steve@szmidt.org> Message-ID: References: <1076942770.1192.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200402171203.12761.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Steve wrote: > In my observation Linux is missing some of the things that is driven by > money or need for income. Like th Solaris install/remove solution. The > features which are needed to ensure (commercial) customer participation > has never been a big need under Linux and thus has not received > much/enough attention to cater to the same customers. Yup, you hit it exactly. There are many things that go into high quality software which simply aren't fun to work on, so in an open source context they either go undone or are done poorly most of the time (bug tracking and documentation are two that stick out in my mind). Fortunately companies like RedHat, SuSE, etc. are out there funding development in several of those areas. Which is more or less one of the potential "profit centers" that RMS originally predicted in the GPL Manifesto, oddly enough. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 17 16:01:50 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1HL1ogv019833 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:01:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1HL1jvb019832 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:01:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1HL1igv019828 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:01:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1HL1iSP024928 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:01:44 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1HL1aTI013495 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:01:36 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DD4D97F67; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:01:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:01:35 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] St. Petersburg SLUG Meeting Details Message-ID: <20040217210135.GA4603@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: Slug List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 15:59:55 up 17:49, 8 users, load average: 0.23, 0.09, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net St. Petersburg SLUG Meeting Details: 23 February 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) St. Petersburg College, Gibbs Campus TE Building, Room 230 6605 Fifth Avenue North St. Petersburg FL 33710-6801 727-341-3600 See http://www.spcollege.edu/webcentral/campus/to_sp.htm for directions. Also see http://www.spcollege.edu/spg/Campus/spgmap.htm for a map of the campus. Posters will be setup at the various doors with the room number on them. -- Whatever it is, I fear Greeks even when they bring gifts. -- Publius Vergilius Maro (Virgil) - GPG Fingerprint=D67D 2B75 53C6 9769 30E4 D390 239F C833 F32C F6F6 GPG KeyID=F32CF6F6 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 17 22:53:32 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1I3rW34002156 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:53:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1I3rWOY002155 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:53:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1I3rV34002151 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:53:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1I3rVSP006772 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:53:31 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1I3rETI027901 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:53:14 -0500 Received: from Betsy (6532127hfc241.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.127.241]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1I3rCc5026845 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:53:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200402180353.i1I3rCc5026845@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ben Drawbaugh" To: Subject: RE: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] TwinView 3D Problem Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:56:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-reply-to: <200402171203.12761.steve@szmidt.org> Thread-Index: AcP1ekR3J8H+xrpnQR+O1R2tpeGJngAWFGWA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >I think it's safe to say that many people prefer to not have to do >anything but click on a button and have a program installed. The closer >to that the better. You are correct, and this is what kept me from using Linux full time, but this is coming along and starting to show promise, with applications like Apt-Get, portage, and Lindows(lin---s) "Click and Run". These apps make it even easier than Windows to install, and some even let you compile from source automatically, without having to worry about dependencies. As for documentation. I am not sure I agree, I never seem to have trouble finding documentation for open source software. Ben Gentoo rocks! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 18 15:52:22 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1IKqM34009787 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:52:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1IKqLwP009786 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:52:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1IKqL34009782 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:52:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1IKqKST013333 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:52:20 -0500 Received: from vljcms04.ucmretail.internal.callsciences.com (outgoing.callsciences.com [67.17.166.10]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1IKpkCw022115 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:51:50 -0500 Received: from ds600m (unverified [216.244.109.241]) by ucmmail.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 5.3.7) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:51:46 -0500 From: "Dan Simoes" To: Subject: [SLUG] New list member in NY Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:51:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i1IKqL34009783 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Just a quick hello. I've joined the list (and requested to join the SLUG) as I'm interested in moving with my family down to the Tampa Bay area. I had a bite on a decent opportunity in Tampa but it seems to have fizzled, so I'm looking for a job down there (or referrals to good technical recruiters). I'm checking all the usual places like monster and craigslist, but the job market down there has not recovered as much as it has here in NY, where I'm getting cold calls on a daily basis now. I've read a lot about all the high tech companies that have moved to the Tampa area and pushed the average population age way down, but I can't seem to find any of them :) Based on the archives you've got a good group of people down there, and I'm looking forward to being on the list. I've been doing Unix since 1989 or so, with stints at IBM, ANS/AOL/UUNET/WCOM, etc. I'm currently Director of Unix Platforms for a hosting company in NY. On the linux front I'm partial to Redhat for commercial use and gentoo for personal/non-commercial use. Cheers, | Dan | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 18 16:42:30 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ILgU34010162 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:42:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1ILgTjd010161 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:42:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ILgT34010157 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:42:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1ILgSST015354 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:42:29 -0500 Received: from virt14o.secure-wi.com (virt14o.secure-wi.com [209.216.203.4]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1ILfvGA028404 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:41:57 -0500 Received: from HPPAVILION503W (2416459hfc41.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.59.41] (may be forged)) (authenticated (0 bits)) by virt14o.secure-wi.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i1ILfmT21407 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:41:48 -0800 Message-Id: <200402182141.i1ILfmT21407@virt14o.secure-wi.com> From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] New list member in NY Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:41:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcP2Y+a/9oxA62VrQqm4t2ow2FtkrQAA/VCQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.746, required 7, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Check with AT&T (http://www.att.com/hr); they offer hosting and work with Linux on some of their VPN platforms, and they have a Global Network Services office in Tampa. -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Dan Simoes Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 3:52 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] New list member in NY Just a quick hello. I've joined the list (and requested to join the SLUG) as I'm interested in moving with my family down to the Tampa Bay area. I had a bite on a decent opportunity in Tampa but it seems to have fizzled, so I'm looking for a job down there (or referrals to good technical recruiters). I'm checking all the usual places like monster and craigslist, but the job market down there has not recovered as much as it has here in NY, where I'm getting cold calls on a daily basis now. I've read a lot about all the high tech companies that have moved to the Tampa area and pushed the average population age way down, but I can't seem to find any of them :) Based on the archives you've got a good group of people down there, and I'm looking forward to being on the list. I've been doing Unix since 1989 or so, with stints at IBM, ANS/AOL/UUNET/WCOM, etc. I'm currently Director of Unix Platforms for a hosting company in NY. On the linux front I'm partial to Redhat for commercial use and gentoo for personal/non-commercial use. Cheers, | Dan | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 18 19:30:20 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J0UK34011396 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:30:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1J0UKUm011395 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:30:20 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J0UJ34011391 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:30:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J0UJSR021182 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:30:19 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1J0U6GA013272 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:30:06 -0500 Received: (qmail 31732 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 00:30:05 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 00:30:05 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Atc4K-00075e-00 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:29:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:29:28 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Required fields in PHP Message-ID: <20040219002928.GC26409@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.435, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net When coding forms in PHP, is there a _simple_ way to ensure certain required fields are actually filled out? Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 18 20:00:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J10e34011615 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:00:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1J10ejd011614 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:00:40 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J10d34011610 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:00:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J10cSV022190 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:00:39 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.136]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1J1083K000306 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:00:08 -0500 Received: from [192.168.254.1] (dhcp065-024-096-238.columbus.rr.com [65.24.96.238]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1J104tO008479 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:00:05 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <20040219002928.GC26409@quillandmouse.com> References: <20040219002928.GC26409@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Hostetler Subject: Re: [SLUG] Required fields in PHP Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:00:02 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Feb 18, 2004, at 7:29 PM, Paul M Foster wrote: > When coding forms in PHP, is there a _simple_ way to ensure certain > required fields are actually filled out? This checks every field. It would be pretty easy to restrict it to one or more. http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/index.phtml/fid/91 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 18 20:08:34 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J18Y34011670 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:08:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1J18THP011669 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:08:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J18S34011665 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:08:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J18SSP022432 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:08:28 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1J1863K002014 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:08:06 -0500 Received: from ms-mss-02 (ms-mss-02-smtp-bk [10.10.4.7]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1J1845i006754 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-02.tampabay.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HTB00IBX4HG8V@ms-mss-02.tampabay.rr.com> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.10.6.26] by ms-mss-02.tampabay.rr.com (mshttpd); Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:08:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:08:04 -0500 From: rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com Subject: Re: [SLUG] Required fields in PHP To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <2dc97c2d9274.2d92742dc97c@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.746, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul You should use javascript on the client side to perform the test prior to submission of the form data. If you must use php then you will have to hit submit and then test the value for each element from the $_POST array like so: if($_POST["myTextField"]==""){ //code to show message of failure } else { } ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul M Foster Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 7:29 pm Subject: [SLUG] Required fields in PHP > When coding forms in PHP, is there a _simple_ way to ensure certain > required fields are actually filled out? > > Paul > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 18 21:35:30 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J2ZP34012341 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:35:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1J2ZOLP012340 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:35:24 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J2ZO34012336 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:35:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J2ZNSR025327 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:35:24 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1J2Z8GA026186 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:35:08 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BAD977F67; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:35:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:35:07 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Required fields in PHP Message-ID: <20040219023507.GA14166@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <2dc97c2d9274.2d92742dc97c@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2dc97c2d9274.2d92742dc97c@tampabay.rr.com> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 21:33:23 up 1 day, 23:23, 8 users, load average: 0.95, 0.49, 0.27 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net One should do both, as people can disable javascript or submit the form without using a browser at all. Never trust the client! Spake rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com on Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 08:08PM -0500: > Paul > > You should use javascript on the client side to perform the test prior to submission of the form data. > > If you must use php then you will have to hit submit and then test the value for each element from the $_POST array like so: > > if($_POST["myTextField"]==""){ > //code to show message of failure > > } > else > { > > } > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul M Foster > Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 7:29 pm > Subject: [SLUG] Required fields in PHP > > > When coding forms in PHP, is there a _simple_ way to ensure certain > > required fields are actually filled out? > > > > Paul > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 18 22:11:26 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J3BQ34012619 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:11:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1J3BQNR012618 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:11:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J3BP34012613 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:11:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J3BASV026555 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:11:20 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [206.21.107.147]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1J3AD3K015482 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:10:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (IDENT:qmda7S89/BI1fh0Lxf6pomodqK4z3DXM@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.12.8/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i1J3AD4K016982 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:10:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:10:13 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Re: slug] Required fields in PHP In-Reply-To: <20040219002928.GC26409@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: References: <20040219002928.GC26409@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, Paul M Foster wrote: > When coding forms in PHP, is there a _simple_ way to ensure certain > required fields are actually filled out? javascript onexit's can test for non-null field contents; without javascript, at the top of the POST or GET, you can add this kind of test before processing: "; $retry = "y"; } // ... stuff omitted // // and then test for an error before dispatching to a // processor if ("$retry" == "") { header("Location: http://www.domain.com/handle_post.php"); } else { print "Some errors were noted, as above -- let's retry
"; } -- Russ Herrold ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 18 22:13:11 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J3DB34012634 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:13:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1J3DAt2012633 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:13:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J3DA34012629 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:13:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J3D9SR026639 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:13:10 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1J3CcGA030332 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:12:38 -0500 Received: (qmail 8875 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 03:12:37 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 03:12:37 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Atebc-00008c-00 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:12:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:12:00 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: (FWD) RE : [SLUG] Required fields in PHP (!STAMP:040218210218:25|) Message-ID: <20040219031200.GB469@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.435, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks: This is the first time I've seen this on our list. It is a challenge-response email system that apparently only works on MS email clients (according to their website). Of course, if you read their website, they tell you right there that for email _lists_ you need to add the list to your whitelists. Which of course this s*bscr*ber did not. This means that when you post something to the list, the recipient's email client may well send you a challenge like the one below, if the recipient isn't bright enough to have put the list in his whitelists. And of course, if you don't want to keep getting these, you'll have to respond. I'm not opposed to the use of challenge-response email systems; I just think you need to read _all_ the instructions before you put the dang things together (fathers at Christmas, take note ;-). With respect to our lists, I'm not sure what to do about this type of thing. I can imagine it could get pretty annoying for list members. And I can also imagine we'll see more of this in the future. We could either uns*bscr*be people with instructions on how they can fix their dang email clients, or suffer through it, or something else. I'm open to suggestions. Paul ----- Forwarded message from (name and email expunged) ----- From: (name and email expunged) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:02:06 -0500 (EST) To: Paul M Foster Subject: RE : [SLUG] Required fields in PHP (!STAMP:040218210218:25|) Message-Id: <200402190202.i1J225bG011707@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Your email to (name and email expunged) with the subject of '[SLUG] Required fields in PHP' is being analysed by (STEVEN) a new SPAM control system that eliminates spam. To ensure your email is delivered, please reply to this email and send it. Do not modify the email at all. This is a once only check. Future emails from you to (name expunged) will be accepted automatically from your email paulf@quillandmouse.com. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 18 23:08:41 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J48a34013045 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:08:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1J48aEB013044 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:08:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J48Z34013040 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:08:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J48ZSR028350 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:08:35 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1J47fGA003157 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:07:41 -0500 Received: (qmail 11444 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2004 04:07:40 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2004 04:07:40 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AtfSt-00009c-00 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:07:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:07:03 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] (FWD) Re: Desktop Linux Message-ID: <20040219040703.GD469@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.435, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I got an email from someone who commented that her company was reluctant to switch to Linux because of the "learning curve". I thought some of you might be interested in my reply, if you run into this type of thing in your company. ----- Forwarded message from Paul M Foster ----- From: Paul M Foster Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:03:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Desktop Linux ... Lycoris is only one of a new breed of Linux flavors that promise to be an easier transition for Windows users. There is also Xandros, Lindows, Mepis and possibly one or two others. As for eval copies, I would suggest you contact the companies involved directly, through their websites or by phone if they offer phone numbers. Linux distributions like this (especially ones that run the KDE desktop) are not that different visually from Windows. So that's not really an issue. There are other things to keep in mind when researching a possible switch to Linux. 1. Your IT/MIS people have to be familiar with setting up Linux systems on the clients. This is quite a bit different from Windows systems. Linux is far more accessible and transparent to an IT person. That is, under Windows, you never know what all Windows is doing, and it is sometimes difficult to determine how to change its behavior. This is not true for Linux. It is possible to adjust most aspects of a running Linux box, and determine exactly what it's doing at any time. This type of expertise does require some training or experience. But that's a minor expense, comparatively speaking. 2. Your users must get used to the idea of running a machine that is inherently multi-user. Windows is not inherently multi-user. On most Windows boxes, particularly Windows 98 and earlier, it's one user one box. On Linux systems, there is the root/superuser, and whatever other users you wish to add to it. From a practical standpoint, this means that users need to get used to entering passwords for some things. 3. Since Microsoft has declared itself an avowed foe of Linux and similar software, they are not likely to port their applications to the Linux platform. That means it is left up to the Open Source community to come up with alternatives. In some cases, this has been done. In others, it is not. For example, office suites like Open Office, KOffice and Star Office serve as adequate substitutes for Microsoft Office. But for something like Quicken, there isn't an adequate substitute yet. And since Linux only holds about 5% of the desktop market, other companies like Adobe and Macromedia have been slow (or completely reluctant) to invest the money to port their packages. So, for example, there is nothing like Dreamweaver for Linux. Their are HTML editors and such, they just aren't Dreamweaver. Retraining people on things like Open Office should not cost much at all. But for some other programs, it could cost more, where the Linux substitute is substantially different from the Windows program. 4. In some cases of newer hardware, Linux has not developed drivers yet. While Microsoft engineers get paid to come up with Windows drivers for hardware, Linux programmers do not. Consequently, sometimes Linux can be slightly behind the curve when it comes to new hardware. 5. Some companies balk at what they perceive as the lack of support alternatives for Linux, or the inability to assign blame to a single entity in the event of a problem. However, many companies exist to support Linux. And while you can't point a finger at them when Linux "doesn't work", they can often work directly with developers to resolve problems quickly. 6. There are cost benefits to Linux that have to weigh against whatever retraining costs you find. 6a. Linux systems can run on significantly less powerful hardware. This means that older computer systems can be retained longer. 6b. It's documented that among ISPs who run a mix of Windows and Linux servers, it takes significantly fewer support staff to support the same number of Linux boxes. These people run servers for blood every day. Their in-the-trenches experience is worth paying attention to. 6c. Linux systems are far less prone to catastrophic failure than Windows systems. Practically, this means fewer reboots and less loss of user data and less employee down time. 6d. Version cycles in Open Source software are significantly shorter than with proprietary software. That means that there are new versions of software coming out all the time, in fact daily. This doesn't mean you have to update that often. But it does mean that bugs are likely to get fixed far quicker under Linux than Windows. 6e. Where bugs show up, it is within the power of the IT people in your organization to repair the software themselves. This is because most or all of the software you will run will be Open Source; you have the source code available to you. While your IT people may not wish to hack software, the opportunity is available. 6f. Security is far stronger under Linux. There are several reasons for this. First, the source code is available, and hundreds, if not thousands of people are looking at it every day. Bugs and security holes get handled quickly. With Windows, you only know about an exploit either a) after you've already been attacked, or b) six months later, when Microsoft releases a patch. The foremost security experts in the world are unequivocal: Open Source = better security. In addition, Linux does not have things like VBScript and email clients like Outlook, which have become veritable magnets for viruses, worms and the like. It is not possible to infect a Linux machine with an email virus. Moreover, since the typical user on a Linux box does not run as the root/superuser, but only as an unprivileged user, any damage to the box from some possible exploit is generally limited to the user's private files, not to the box as a whole. Viruses and worms made possible by the way Microsoft has built its OS have cost businesses worldwide in the billions of dollars. Linux systems cannot be exploited this way, by virtue of the way the OS is put together. 6g. Linux does not have to worry about Boards of Directors, quarterly reports and stock prices. Consequently, there's no incentive to cover up things that are broken, don't work or have security problems. The development process is transparent. This also means that Linux won't be going out of business any time soon. Linux has been around for over ten years, and promises to continue to provide new and improved software in the far foreseeable future. It also means that you're not paying someone like Microsoft on a regular basis to give you the newest version of their software. You can obtain new versions of Linux or Linux software for little or no money at any time. 6h. Microsoft operating systems run in the hundreds of megabytes of source code, none of which you can look at. Windows started out as MSDOS, and it still retains vestiges of that legacy to this day. There is code deep within Windows that has been there for years, unexamined and unchanged. It bloats Windows and makes it difficult for Microsoft to engineer their OSes with more robustness. The Linux kernel (the true guts of a Linux system), on the other hand, is being constantly examined and updated. Old pieces of code that are poorly designed are frequently reworked, making way for better performance, more stability, and stronger security. New kernel versions appear weekly. I hope this helps to better understand the costs and benefits of switching to Linux. Company executives may be reluctant to switch to Linux because of the "learning curve". But even with its shortcomings, Linux makes its own strong case for saving management and stockholders time and money in the long run. Paul M. Foster President Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) ----- End forwarded message ----- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 18 23:47:11 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J4lA34013408 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:47:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1J4lAkv013407 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:47:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J4lA34013403 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:47:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1J4l9SP029593 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:47:09 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1J4kpGA007059 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:46:51 -0500 Received: from billspc (6535152hfc87.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.152.87]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1J4kkbF025349 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:46:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200402190446.i1J4kkbF025349@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bill Glidden" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] (FWD) Re: Desktop Linux Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:46:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcP2n93sURDNq6voSYWyxz4gMXnk1wAATVlA In-Reply-To: <20040219040703.GD469@quillandmouse.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Just my 2 cents worth .... It's a Good Thing to tout the many advantages of Linux over a Microsoft solution. Just a few points regarding what you wrote ... a) Training is never a minor expense - not in the minds of the corporate decision makers. b) "While your IT people may not wish to hack software, the opportunity is available." - I don't think this would be a comforting thought to many corporate CIOs. I agree with the sentiment, just a poor choice of wording I think :) I've never looked into myself, but surely there must be studies or white papers available that show hard numbers .. an acceptable ROI is what excites the finance people who have decision making powers in this realm. ... Lycoris is only one of a new breed of Linux flavors that promise to be an easier transition for Windows users. There is also Xandros, Lindows, Mepis and possibly one or two others. As for eval copies, I would suggest you contact the companies involved directly, through their websites or by phone if they offer phone numbers. Linux distributions like this (especially ones that run the KDE desktop) are not that different visually from Windows. So that's not really an issue. There are other things to keep in mind when researching a possible switch to Linux. 1. Your IT/MIS people have to be familiar with setting up Linux systems on the clients. This is quite a bit different from Windows systems. Linux is far more accessible and transparent to an IT person. That is, under Windows, you never know what all Windows is doing, and it is sometimes difficult to determine how to change its behavior. This is not true for Linux. It is possible to adjust most aspects of a running Linux box, and determine exactly what it's doing at any time. This type of expertise does require some training or experience. But that's a minor expense, comparatively speaking. 2. Your users must get used to the idea of running a machine that is inherently multi-user. Windows is not inherently multi-user. On most Windows boxes, particularly Windows 98 and earlier, it's one user one box. On Linux systems, there is the root/superuser, and whatever other users you wish to add to it. From a practical standpoint, this means that users need to get used to entering passwords for some things. 3. Since Microsoft has declared itself an avowed foe of Linux and similar software, they are not likely to port their applications to the Linux platform. That means it is left up to the Open Source community to come up with alternatives. In some cases, this has been done. In others, it is not. For example, office suites like Open Office, KOffice and Star Office serve as adequate substitutes for Microsoft Office. But for something like Quicken, there isn't an adequate substitute yet. And since Linux only holds about 5% of the desktop market, other companies like Adobe and Macromedia have been slow (or completely reluctant) to invest the money to port their packages. So, for example, there is nothing like Dreamweaver for Linux. Their are HTML editors and such, they just aren't Dreamweaver. Retraining people on things like Open Office should not cost much at all. But for some other programs, it could cost more, where the Linux substitute is substantially different from the Windows program. 4. In some cases of newer hardware, Linux has not developed drivers yet. While Microsoft engineers get paid to come up with Windows drivers for hardware, Linux programmers do not. Consequently, sometimes Linux can be slightly behind the curve when it comes to new hardware. 5. Some companies balk at what they perceive as the lack of support alternatives for Linux, or the inability to assign blame to a single entity in the event of a problem. However, many companies exist to support Linux. And while you can't point a finger at them when Linux "doesn't work", they can often work directly with developers to resolve problems quickly. 6. There are cost benefits to Linux that have to weigh against whatever retraining costs you find. 6a. Linux systems can run on significantly less powerful hardware. This means that older computer systems can be retained longer. 6b. It's documented that among ISPs who run a mix of Windows and Linux servers, it takes significantly fewer support staff to support the same number of Linux boxes. These people run servers for blood every day. Their in-the-trenches experience is worth paying attention to. 6c. Linux systems are far less prone to catastrophic failure than Windows systems. Practically, this means fewer reboots and less loss of user data and less employee down time. 6d. Version cycles in Open Source software are significantly shorter than with proprietary software. That means that there are new versions of software coming out all the time, in fact daily. This doesn't mean you have to update that often. But it does mean that bugs are likely to get fixed far quicker under Linux than Windows. 6e. Where bugs show up, it is within the power of the IT people in your organization to repair the software themselves. This is because most or all of the software you will run will be Open Source; you have the source code available to you. While your IT people may not wish to hack software, the opportunity is available. 6f. Security is far stronger under Linux. There are several reasons for this. First, the source code is available, and hundreds, if not thousands of people are looking at it every day. Bugs and security holes get handled quickly. With Windows, you only know about an exploit either a) after you've already been attacked, or b) six months later, when Microsoft releases a patch. The foremost security experts in the world are unequivocal: Open Source = better security. In addition, Linux does not have things like VBScript and email clients like Outlook, which have become veritable magnets for viruses, worms and the like. It is not possible to infect a Linux machine with an email virus. Moreover, since the typical user on a Linux box does not run as the root/superuser, but only as an unprivileged user, any damage to the box from some possible exploit is generally limited to the user's private files, not to the box as a whole. Viruses and worms made possible by the way Microsoft has built its OS have cost businesses worldwide in the billions of dollars. Linux systems cannot be exploited this way, by virtue of the way the OS is put together. 6g. Linux does not have to worry about Boards of Directors, quarterly reports and stock prices. Consequently, there's no incentive to cover up things that are broken, don't work or have security problems. The development process is transparent. This also means that Linux won't be going out of business any time soon. Linux has been around for over ten years, and promises to continue to provide new and improved software in the far foreseeable future. It also means that you're not paying someone like Microsoft on a regular basis to give you the newest version of their software. You can obtain new versions of Linux or Linux software for little or no money at any time. 6h. Microsoft operating systems run in the hundreds of megabytes of source code, none of which you can look at. Windows started out as MSDOS, and it still retains vestiges of that legacy to this day. There is code deep within Windows that has been there for years, unexamined and unchanged. It bloats Windows and makes it difficult for Microsoft to engineer their OSes with more robustness. The Linux kernel (the true guts of a Linux system), on the other hand, is being constantly examined and updated. Old pieces of code that are poorly designed are frequently reworked, making way for better performance, more stability, and stronger security. New kernel versions appear weekly. I hope this helps to better understand the costs and benefits of switching to Linux. Company executives may be reluctant to switch to Linux because of the "learning curve". But even with its shortcomings, Linux makes its own strong case for saving management and stockholders time and money in the long run. Paul M. Foster President Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) ----- End forwarded message ----- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 19 05:17:57 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1JAHu34015944 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 05:17:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1JAHp3u015943 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 05:17:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1JAHo34015939 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 05:17:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1JAHnSV009747 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 05:17:50 -0500 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1JAD3GA014031 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 05:13:03 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955918pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.98]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2004021910130201100rs185e>; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:13:02 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Atl9A-000877-00 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 05:11:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Required fields in PHP From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <20040219002928.GC26409@quillandmouse.com> References: <20040219002928.GC26409@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-zjJuu+TiOciTkyY0Naup" Message-Id: <1077185467.523.6.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 05:11:08 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.207, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-zjJuu+TiOciTkyY0Naup Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 19:29, Paul M Foster wrote: > When coding forms in PHP, is there a _simple_ way to ensure certain > required fields are actually filled out? >=20 > Paul You can use empty() or isset() The Logan --=20 05:05:01 up 3 days, 10:22, 3 users, load average: 0.06, 0.39, 0.72 Did you know the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 19 07:12:46 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1JCCk34016775 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:12:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1JCCkWZ016774 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:12:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1JCCj34016770 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:12:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1JCCjSR013877 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:12:45 -0500 Received: from mail15e.boca15-verio.com (mail15e.boca15-verio.com [207.201.145.87]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1JCC53K016232 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:12:09 -0500 Received: from www.roblimo.com (207.158.250.86) by mail15e.boca15-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.90vs) with SMTP id 1-0588242656 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:10:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4034A7D1.2040909@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:10:57 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040122 Debian/1.5-3 StumbleUpon/1.902 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] (FWD) Re: Desktop Linux References: <20040219040703.GD469@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20040219040703.GD469@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > I got an email from someone who commented that her company was reluctant > to switch to Linux because of the "learning curve". I thought some of > you might be interested in my reply, if you run into this type of thing > in your company. Good reply. Heck, I could clean it up a bit and run it on Linux.com... Meanwhile, I'm trying to make Linux training a little easier, at least on the desktop front. This site will be visible to the public as PointAndClickLinux.com as soon as the DNS propagates: http://63.247.129.138/~roblimo/pcl/ Book version # 1 is Mepis-centric, but the publisher hopes to come out with editions that cover other major distros too, and at least three distro publishers have already expressed interest... - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 19 10:37:24 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1JFbI34018266 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:37:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1JFbIUr018265 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:37:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1JFbI34018261 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:37:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1JFbHST020821 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:37:17 -0500 Received: from vandemar.local ([208.26.45.251]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1JFb7GA017016 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:37:07 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vandemar.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE343110813 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:37:05 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <20040219031200.GB469@quillandmouse.com> References: <20040219031200.GB469@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <786015BC-62F1-11D8-8090-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Derek Glidden Subject: Re: (FWD) RE : [SLUG] Required fields in PHP (!STAMP:040218210218:25|) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:37:05 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Feb 18, 2004, at 10:12 PM, Paul M Foster wrote: > > I'm not opposed to the use of challenge-response email systems; I just > think you need to read _all_ the instructions before you put the dang > things together (fathers at Christmas, take note ;-). Challenge-response, so far, is about the most effective way of avoiding spam. But, like you've discovered, a lot of people don't know how to set it up and it tends to annoy the heck out of mailing lists. That's always the biggest complaint with people when you start talking about challenge-response systems. And let's not forget the fact that there are patents covering "method for using a challenge-response system for restricting reception of unsolicited email" from all sorts of places, including one granted Feb 10, 2004 to IBM. But that's a whole other rant... > With respect to our lists, I'm not sure what to do about this type of > thing. I can imagine it could get pretty annoying for list members. And > I can also imagine we'll see more of this in the future. We could > either > uns*bscr*be people with instructions on how they can fix their dang > email clients, or suffer through it, or something else. I'm open to > suggestions. I'm for the idea of un-sub them with a form-letter saying, "You are trying to use a challenge-response anti-spam system with our mailing list. Please whitelist the mailing list address (xxxx@yyy.zzz) with your anti-spam software and re-sub to the list. Sorry for the inconvenience." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "We all enter this world in the | Support Electronic Freedom same way: naked; screaming; soaked | http://www.eff.org/ in blood. But if you live your | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ life right, that kind of thing |--------------------------- doesn't have to stop there." -- Dana Gould ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 19 11:44:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1JGia34018792 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:44:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1JGiajX018791 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:44:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1JGiZ34018787 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:44:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1JGiZSP022959 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:44:35 -0500 Received: from cerberus (169-99.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.99.169]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1JGiDGA023682 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:44:13 -0500 Received: from dervish.lazyhobbit.org ([192.168.1.11]) by cerberus with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AtrHZ-0000QP-00 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:44:13 -0500 Subject: Re: (FWD) RE : [SLUG] Required fields in PHP (!STAMP:040218210218:25|) From: Jonathan Freiermuth To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <786015BC-62F1-11D8-8090-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> References: <20040219031200.GB469@quillandmouse.com> <786015BC-62F1-11D8-8090-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1077209052.6686.1.camel@dervish.lazyhobbit.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:44:12 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 10:37, Derek Glidden wrote: > I'm for the idea of un-sub them with a form-letter saying, "You are > trying to use a challenge-response anti-spam system with our mailing > list. Please whitelist the mailing list address (xxxx@yyy.zzz) with > your anti-spam software and re-sub to the list. Sorry for the > inconvenience." > I second this motion. It seems better to inconvenience one user rather than the entire list. -- Jonathan Freiermuth slug@lazyhobbit.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 19 17:01:31 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1JM1Q34021110 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:01:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1JM1Pdc021109 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:01:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1JM1P34021105 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:01:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1JM1PSP001383 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:01:25 -0500 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1JM0j3K014883 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:00:45 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955918pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.98]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2004021922004501300ndr7te>; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:00:45 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AtwC0-00028F-00 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:58:48 -0500 Subject: Re: (FWD) RE : [SLUG] Required fields in PHP (!STAMP:040218210218:25|) From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1077209052.6686.1.camel@dervish.lazyhobbit.org> References: <20040219031200.GB469@quillandmouse.com> <786015BC-62F1-11D8-8090-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> <1077209052.6686.1.camel@dervish.lazyhobbit.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Bt08MpQGBcddgYo1KhCe" Message-Id: <1077227927.2839.8.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:58:48 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.207, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-Bt08MpQGBcddgYo1KhCe Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 11:44, Jonathan Freiermuth wrote: > On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 10:37, Derek Glidden wrote: > > I'm for the idea of un-sub them with a form-letter saying, "You are=20 > > trying to use a challenge-response anti-spam system with our mailing=20 > > list. Please whitelist the mailing list address (xxxx@yyy.zzz) with=20 > > your anti-spam software and re-sub to the list. Sorry for the=20 > > inconvenience." > >=20 >=20 > I second this motion. It seems better to inconvenience one user rather > than the entire list. Like the bumper sticker on my Explorer says, "WWBOFHD." ;-) The Logan --=20 16:55:01 up 3 days, 22:12, 3 users, load average: 0.45, 0.71, 0.87 Its not rocket surgery. -- Eggo Commercial Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-Bt08MpQGBcddgYo1KhCe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBANTGX3OecGqSbkyMRAkn0AJsE/9/q2ntif+Zet1xjIGxplZPvAACggRoS 0jo9VZOBnx8atnVCSHAb76E= =FRBY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Bt08MpQGBcddgYo1KhCe-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 19 20:09:50 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1K19o34022480 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:09:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1K19osU022479 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:09:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1K19n34022475 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:09:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1K19nSR007323 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:09:49 -0500 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1K18uxn009071 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:08:56 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955918pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.98]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2004022001085501400ljh34e>; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 01:08:55 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Atz86-0002gP-00 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:06:58 -0500 Subject: Re: (FWD) RE : [SLUG] Required fields in PHP (!STAMP:040218210218:25|) From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1077227927.2839.8.camel@sirus> References: <20040219031200.GB469@quillandmouse.com> <786015BC-62F1-11D8-8090-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> <1077209052.6686.1.camel@dervish.lazyhobbit.org> <1077227927.2839.8.camel@sirus> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-BoyelvwpX5g3xjMqkMbd" Message-Id: <1077239217.2839.12.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:06:58 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.207, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-BoyelvwpX5g3xjMqkMbd Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 16:58, Logan Tygart wrote: > On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 11:44, Jonathan Freiermuth wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 10:37, Derek Glidden wrote: > > > I'm for the idea of un-sub them with a form-letter saying, "You are=20 > > > trying to use a challenge-response anti-spam system with our mailing=20 > > > list. Please whitelist the mailing list address (xxxx@yyy.zzz) with=20 > > > your anti-spam software and re-sub to the list. Sorry for the=20 > > > inconvenience." > > >=20 > >=20 > > I second this motion. It seems better to inconvenience one user rather > > than the entire list. >=20 > Like the bumper sticker on my Explorer says, "WWBOFHD." ;-) >=20 > The Logan Bah! To curtail the email I have privately received, this is the BOFH!=20 Read and Enjoy! http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/index.html --=20 20:05:01 up 4 days, 1:22, 3 users, load average: 0.08, 0.37, 0.51 I've seen these high-tech Japanese toilets before on TV. -- Matt Moen, SLUG= List Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-BoyelvwpX5g3xjMqkMbd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBANV2x3OecGqSbkyMRAq/DAJ498hz2VSF+dgPiEtDmo9BZp/qFbACeJZfG 6TbDcvTLdlzM0Dqpf1njFes= =IGgZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-BoyelvwpX5g3xjMqkMbd-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 20 01:49:08 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1K6n734024799 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 01:49:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1K6n2Wt024798 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 01:49:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1K6n134024794 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 01:49:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1K6muSP018927 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 01:48:56 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1K6mJsh026616 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 01:48:20 -0500 Received: (qmail 26465 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 06:48:19 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 06:48:19 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Au4Rw-0005ry-00 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 01:47:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 01:47:43 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: (FWD) RE : [SLUG] Required fields in PHP (!STAMP:040218210218:25|) Message-ID: <20040220064743.GB22100@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20040219031200.GB469@quillandmouse.com> <786015BC-62F1-11D8-8090-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <786015BC-62F1-11D8-8090-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.435, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 10:37:05AM -0500, Derek Glidden wrote: > I'm for the idea of un-sub them with a form-letter saying, "You are > trying to use a challenge-response anti-spam system with our mailing > list. Please whitelist the mailing list address (xxxx@yyy.zzz) with > your anti-spam software and re-sub to the list. Sorry for the > inconvenience." Here's an interesting point though: If I never answer their challenge, they won't get the email. So they'll just end up mysteriously uns*bscr*bed. Not sure I'm terribly concerned about that, but it's worth considering. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 20 08:17:30 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1KDHU34027627 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:17:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1KDHTuO027626 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:17:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1KDHI34027621 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:17:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1KDHISP000385 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:17:18 -0500 Received: from cerberus (169-99.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.99.169]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1KDGEsh006228 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:16:18 -0500 Received: from dervish.lazyhobbit.org ([192.168.1.11]) by cerberus with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AuAVq-0000gv-00 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:16:14 -0500 Subject: Re: (FWD) RE : [SLUG] Required fields in PHP (!STAMP:040218210218:25|) From: Jonathan Freiermuth To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20040220064743.GB22100@quillandmouse.com> References: <20040219031200.GB469@quillandmouse.com> <786015BC-62F1-11D8-8090-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> <20040220064743.GB22100@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1077282973.10105.1.camel@dervish.lazyhobbit.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:16:14 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 01:47, Paul M Foster wrote: > Here's an interesting point though: If I never answer their challenge, > they won't get the email. So they'll just end up mysteriously > uns*bscr*bed. Not sure I'm terribly concerned about that, but it's worth > considering. > > Paul Perhaps a prominent notice on the SLUG mailing list web page ? Something that tells people before they subscribe that emails from a challenge-response enabled server will be dropped into /dev/null. This assumes that they KNOW that their server is so enabled. -- Jonathan Freiermuth slug@lazyhobbit.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 20 23:51:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1L4pa34001839 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:51:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1L4paGg001838 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:51:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1L4pZ34001834 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:51:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1L4pYST031981 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:51:35 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1L4owWg022973 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:50:58 -0500 Received: (qmail 2682 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 04:50:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 04:50:57 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: (FWD) RE : [SLUG] Required fields in PHP (!STAMP:040218210218:25|) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:50:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20040219031200.GB469@quillandmouse.com> <1077227927.2839.8.camel@sirus> <1077239217.2839.12.camel@sirus> In-Reply-To: <1077239217.2839.12.camel@sirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402202350.56669.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.404, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 19 February 2004 08:06 pm, you wrote: > > Like the bumper sticker on my Explorer says, "WWBOFHD." ;-) > > > > The Logan > > Bah! To curtail the email I have privately received, this is the BOFH! > Read and Enjoy! > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/index.html And a jolly good humbug! to you, too, sir! What I want to know is where to buy this bumber sticker. Bill -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 23:49:00 up 46 days, 31 min, 5 users, load average: 0.16, 0.30, 0.31 21:58:52 up 34 days, 2:11, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 21 09:45:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1LEja34006471 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:45:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1LEjaa7006470 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:45:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1LEjZ34006466 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:45:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1LEjZSP022272 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:45:35 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1LEjKWg028880 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:45:20 -0500 Received: from 192.168.1.102 (653258hfc63.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.58.63]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1LEjH82026911 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:45:17 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Wright To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Wireless network problem possibly DHCP? Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:37:38 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402210937.39194.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.906, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers! I need some help fixing a networking problem. The network funcitons properly under Windows so I know the hardware is working. The problem seems to be linux specific. I have a wireless network in my house and I cannot get outside of my local area network. I am running Suse 9.0 pro and have a Linksys WUSB11 ver 2.6 wireless nic. I am using the at76c503 - linux driver for Atmel at76c503 based usb wlan adapters. http://at76c503a.berlios.de/ I can hotplug the wireless nic and it is detected and the driver modules load properly. I confirmed this by doing #>lsmod Module Size Used by Tainted: P at76c503-rfmd 39360 0 (unused) usbdfu 7820 0 [at76c503-rfmd] at76c503 49824 0 [at76c503-rfmd] I then confirm the device is recognized and do a #> iwconfig lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. sit0 no wireless extensions. eth1 ATMEL RFMD503A ESSID:"linksys" Nickname:"linksys" Mode:Managed Channel:6 Access Point: 00:06:25:55:C9:FD Bit Rate:11Mb/s RTS thr=2347 B Fragment thr=2346 B Encryption key:off Link Quality:100 Signal level:65 Noise level:0 Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 So I issued an #>ifup eth1 warning: using NO encryption ERROR: command 'iwconfig eth1 nick linux' returned Error for wireless request "Set Nickname" (8B1C) : SET failed on device eth1 ; Operation not supported. Starting DHCP Client Daemon on eth1... . IP/Netmask: 192.168.1.102 / 255.255.255.0 The error messages are no biggie the important part is that I get an IP address. I also check the config: #> ifconfig eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:06:25:19:9A:3C inet addr:192.168.1.102 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::206:25ff:fe19:9a3c/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST NOTRAILERS RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:58 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:63 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:6763 (6.6 Kb) TX bytes:5274 (5.1 Kb) When I issue #> route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 Notice the missing gateway I cannot get outside my local area network. If I manually add the route then it works. # route Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 So any Ideas on the problem? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 21 09:50:33 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1LEoS34006536 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:50:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1LEoSB0006535 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:50:28 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1LEoR34006531 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:50:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1LEoQSP022427 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:50:26 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1LEoDWg029349 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:50:14 -0500 Received: (qmail 14091 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 14:50:11 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 14:50:11 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AuYRn-0003zl-00; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:49:39 -0500 To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: From: Paul M Foster Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:49:39 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.435, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 23 February 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) *** THIS month: St Petersburg College, Gibbs Campus TE Building, Room 230 6605 Fifth Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33710-6801 727-341-3600 *** Usually: St Petersburg Public Library, Main Branch Auditorium 3745 Ninth Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33713 727-893-7724 *** THIS month: See http://www.spcollege.edu/webcentral/campus/to_sp.htm and http://www.spcollege.edu/spg/Campus/spgmap.htm for directions. *** Usually: See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 4 March 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 6 March 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library, 223 Douglas Ave., Community Room B. Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 6 March 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 10 March 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Wednesday of each month) Student Services Bldg, Room 108 (note change of room) (to the northeast of the Technology Bldg) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 17 March 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Wednesday of each month) Honeywell 8323 Lindbergh Court Sarasota, FL See http://www.bish.net/directions/ *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 21 12:01:00 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1LH1034007512 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:01:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1LH10ew007511 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:01:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1LH0x34007507 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:00:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1LH0xSP026767 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:00:59 -0500 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1LH0hs9005038 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:00:44 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955918pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.98]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2004022117004301100nfku4e>; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:00:43 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AuaSg-0001JM-00 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:58:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-9hvhaG51sRiAwvqL5TwO" Message-Id: <1077382721.556.3.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:58:42 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.207, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-9hvhaG51sRiAwvqL5TwO Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 09:49, Paul M Foster wrote: > SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** >=20 > 17 March 18:00-21:00 Sarasota St. Paddy's?!!?! I don't sink so! I smell the Guinness, Jamesons and Bushmills in the air already. The Logan --=20 11:50:01 up 6:21, 3 users, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 0.94 Its not rocket surgery. -- Eggo Commercial Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-9hvhaG51sRiAwvqL5TwO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAN45B3OecGqSbkyMRAp/9AJ9Pq4z/I1Hj4mHIkISEIzL4X2ykMwCg18iA YeiioBM06du7pqLSpeWTZlo= =UCdj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-9hvhaG51sRiAwvqL5TwO-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 21 17:27:39 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1LMRd34010036 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:27:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1LMRcAS010035 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:27:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1LMRc34010031 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:27:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1LMRbSP005516 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:27:37 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1LMRMs9003072 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:27:22 -0500 Received: from washpat.com (168-2.9-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.9.2.168]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24587 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:20:02 -0500 Message-ID: <4037DD76.9020803@washpat.com> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:36:38 -0500 From: Aaron Steimle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings-St. Pete Guest Speaker References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I just got word that we will be having a guest speaker, unless there some flight delay's or anything to that nature. The speaker is Roberto Nibali is going to talk bout LVS the linux software load balancer. He contacted me about a month ago, said we would be in saint pete for some reason and would like to talk. I don't know much about him, but his name sure does come up a lot when googled. > ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** > > 23 February 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg > (usually last Monday of each month) > > *** THIS month: > St Petersburg College, Gibbs Campus > TE Building, Room 230 > 6605 Fifth Ave North > St Petersburg, FL 33710-6801 > 727-341-3600 > > *** Usually: > St Petersburg Public Library, Main Branch > Auditorium > 3745 Ninth Ave North > St Petersburg, FL 33713 > 727-893-7724 > > *** THIS month: > See http://www.spcollege.edu/webcentral/campus/to_sp.htm and > http://www.spcollege.edu/spg/Campus/spgmap.htm for directions. > > *** Usually: > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 21 18:23:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1LNND34010463 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:23:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1LNNDPR010462 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:23:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1LNNC34010458 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:23:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1LNNCSP007466 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:23:12 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1LNMrWg016860 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:22:53 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 012907F67; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:22:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:22:52 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings-St. Pete Guest Speaker Message-ID: <20040221232252.GA354@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <4037DD76.9020803@washpat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4037DD76.9020803@washpat.com> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 18:21:46 up 4 days, 20:11, 7 users, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.05 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Awesome! Spake Aaron Steimle on Saturday, February 21, 2004 at 05:36PM -0500: > I just got word that we will be having a guest speaker, unless there > some flight delay's or anything to that nature. > > The speaker is Roberto Nibali is going to talk bout LVS the linux > software load balancer. > > He contacted me about a month ago, said we would be in saint pete for > some reason and would like to talk. I don't know much about him, but his > name sure does come up a lot when googled. > > > > > >ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** > > > > 23 February 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg > > (usually last Monday of each month) > > > > *** THIS month: > > St Petersburg College, Gibbs Campus > > TE Building, Room 230 > > 6605 Fifth Ave North > > St Petersburg, FL 33710-6801 > > 727-341-3600 > > > > *** Usually: > > St Petersburg Public Library, Main Branch > > Auditorium > > 3745 Ninth Ave North > > St Petersburg, FL 33713 > > 727-893-7724 > > > > *** THIS month: > > See http://www.spcollege.edu/webcentral/campus/to_sp.htm and > > http://www.spcollege.edu/spg/Campus/spgmap.htm for directions. > > > > *** Usually: > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 21 19:38:01 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1M0c134011018 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:38:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1M0c18j011017 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:38:01 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1M0c034011013 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:38:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1M0c0SP009913 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:38:00 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1M0bpWg024271 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:37:51 -0500 Received: from 192.168.1.103 (653469hfc52.tampabay.rr.com [65.34.69.52]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1M0bnuI023077 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:37:50 -0500 (EST) From: William Lindfors To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] linux email and exchange Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:38:15 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402211938.15376.kkohn@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Is there any app for linux that anyone has come across that will link up to an exchange server? Don't think Kmail has any features that include connecting to an exchange server. It would have to act like Outlook and not Outlook Express that does not have any MAPI capability. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 21 20:02:37 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1M12b34011220 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:02:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1M12bol011219 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:02:37 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1M12a34011215 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:02:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1M12aST010658 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:02:36 -0500 Received: from lion.glypto.com (lion.glypto.com [209.120.224.16]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1M11ps9015217 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:01:51 -0500 Received: from [24.161.255.104] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by lion.glypto.com with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.24) id 1Aui0A-00031Q-2H for slug@nks.net; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:01:46 -0600 From: Kevin Poorman To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux email and exchange Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:04:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <200402211938.15376.kkohn@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200402211938.15376.kkohn@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402212004.31571.asympoticessence@yahoo.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - lion.glypto.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.2, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 0.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 21 February 2004 19:38, William Lindfors wrote: > Is there any app for linux that anyone has come across that will link up to > an exchange server? Don't think Kmail has any features that include > connecting to an exchange server. It would have to act like Outlook and not > Outlook Express that does not have any MAPI capability. Ximian's Connector for Evolution will connect to a MAPI server / Exchange Server. $$ though. Obligatory URL: http://www.ximian.com/products/connector/ -Pkj. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 21 22:05:22 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1M35M34012123 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:05:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1M35MEC012122 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:05:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1M35L34012118 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:05:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1M35KST014652 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:05:21 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1M34ts9017911 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:04:56 -0500 Received: from washpat.com (168-2.9-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.9.2.168]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25497 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 21:57:21 -0500 Message-ID: <40381E78.9000800@washpat.com> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:14:00 -0500 From: Aaron Steimle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless network problem possibly DHCP? References: <200402210937.39194.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200402210937.39194.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Have you tried setting the Gateway using Yast? Russ Wright wrote: > Hello Sluggers! > I need some help fixing a networking problem. The network funcitons properly > under Windows so I know the hardware is working. The problem seems to be > linux specific. I have a wireless network in my house and I cannot get > outside of my local area network. I am running Suse 9.0 pro and have a > Linksys WUSB11 ver 2.6 wireless nic. I am using the at76c503 - linux driver > for Atmel at76c503 based usb wlan adapters. > http://at76c503a.berlios.de/ > > I can hotplug the wireless nic and it is detected and the driver modules load > properly. I confirmed this by doing > #>lsmod > Module Size Used by Tainted: P > at76c503-rfmd 39360 0 (unused) > usbdfu 7820 0 [at76c503-rfmd] > at76c503 49824 0 [at76c503-rfmd] > > I then confirm the device is recognized and do a #> iwconfig > lo no wireless extensions. > eth0 no wireless extensions. > sit0 no wireless extensions. > eth1 ATMEL RFMD503A ESSID:"linksys" Nickname:"linksys" > Mode:Managed Channel:6 Access Point: 00:06:25:55:C9:FD > Bit Rate:11Mb/s > RTS thr=2347 B Fragment thr=2346 B > Encryption key:off > Link Quality:100 Signal level:65 Noise level:0 > Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 > Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 > > So I issued an #>ifup eth1 > warning: using NO encryption > ERROR: command 'iwconfig eth1 nick linux' returned > Error for wireless request "Set Nickname" (8B1C) : > SET failed on device eth1 ; Operation not supported. > Starting DHCP Client Daemon on eth1... . IP/Netmask: 192.168.1.102 / > 255.255.255.0 > > The error messages are no biggie the important part is that I get an IP > address. > > I also check the config: > #> ifconfig > eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:06:25:19:9A:3C > inet addr:192.168.1.102 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::206:25ff:fe19:9a3c/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST NOTRAILERS RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:58 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:63 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 > RX bytes:6763 (6.6 Kb) TX bytes:5274 (5.1 Kb) > > > When I issue #> route > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface > 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 > > Notice the missing gateway I cannot get outside my local area network. If I > manually add the route then it works. > > # route > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface > 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 > default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 > > So any Ideas on the problem? > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 21 22:20:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1M3Kg34012249 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:20:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1M3KgTT012248 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:20:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1M3Kg34012244 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:20:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1M3KfSR015199 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:20:41 -0500 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1M3KPs9022531 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:20:26 -0500 Received: from MARS (119-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.119]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B8D56FCEC8 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:20:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete S." To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] linux email and exchange Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:20:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200402212004.31571.asympoticessence@yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Here is a Linux base "Exchange" server... http://sourceforge.net/projects/missmail/ (not exactly what you where looking for). Using Exchange 5.5 or higher, you can use the "OWA" features. I have connected to our corporate Exchange server (2000 and 2003) using my Zaurus 5500, running Opera 5 (now 6), via my wireless NIC, from home. Any of the more recent HTML browsers (made in the past 2 years) should be able to login to a Exchange 5.5 or higher server (might want it to setup SSL certificate). Not to mention, this is a free client (though the exchange server will still have to have the Exchange CAL $$'s paid for). Pete -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Kevin Poorman Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 8:05 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux email and exchange On Saturday 21 February 2004 19:38, William Lindfors wrote: > Is there any app for linux that anyone has come across that will link up to > an exchange server? Don't think Kmail has any features that include > connecting to an exchange server. It would have to act like Outlook and not > Outlook Express that does not have any MAPI capability. Ximian's Connector for Evolution will connect to a MAPI server / Exchange Server. $$ though. Obligatory URL: http://www.ximian.com/products/connector/ -Pkj. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 21 22:23:23 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1M3NN34012273 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:23:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1M3NM9i012272 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:23:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1M3NM34012268 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:23:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1M3NMSP015304 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:23:22 -0500 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1M3NGs9023474 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:23:16 -0500 Received: from MARS (119-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.119]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D27AEFCEC5 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:23:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete S." To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] linux email and exchange Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:23:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200402212004.31571.asympoticessence@yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://heily.com/mark/lookout/ Along the OWA lines... "A Microsoft Exchange email client for UNIX-compatible systems" Pete -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Kevin Poorman Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 8:05 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux email and exchange On Saturday 21 February 2004 19:38, William Lindfors wrote: > Is there any app for linux that anyone has come across that will link up to > an exchange server? Don't think Kmail has any features that include > connecting to an exchange server. It would have to act like Outlook and not > Outlook Express that does not have any MAPI capability. Ximian's Connector for Evolution will connect to a MAPI server / Exchange Server. $$ though. Obligatory URL: http://www.ximian.com/products/connector/ -Pkj. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 22 06:26:11 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MBQB34016099 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:26:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1MBQB42016098 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:26:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MBQA34016094 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:26:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MBQ9SP002482 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:26:10 -0500 Received: from virt14o.secure-wi.com (virt14o.secure-wi.com [209.216.203.4]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1MBPvs9007471 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:25:57 -0500 Received: from HPPAVILION503W (2416459hfc41.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.59.41]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by virt14o.secure-wi.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i1MBPun12867 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 03:25:56 -0800 Message-Id: <200402221125.i1MBPun12867@virt14o.secure-wi.com> From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] linux email and exchange Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:25:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <200402211938.15376.kkohn@tampabay.rr.com> Thread-Index: AcP43axg+bNriJLgTjOY7TnYugluLgAWLA7w X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.101, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net That would be Exchange Connector for Ximian's Evolution client, but it is proprietary and costs about $65 per seat. A trial version is available. The latest version of the KDE PIM app suite does include Exchange access. -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of William Lindfors Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 7:38 PM To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] linux email and exchange Is there any app for linux that anyone has come across that will link up to an exchange server? Don't think Kmail has any features that include connecting to an exchange server. It would have to act like Outlook and not Outlook Express that does not have any MAPI capability. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 22 07:46:41 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MCke34016695 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:46:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1MCkeCt016694 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:46:40 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MCke34016690 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:46:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MCkdSP005116 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:46:39 -0500 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1MCkUs9030879 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:46:31 -0500 Received: from 209-165-11.202.lightspeed.net ([209.165.11.202] helo=192.168.0.7) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Aut09-0005vs-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 04:46:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux email and exchange From: Bob File To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200402211938.15376.kkohn@tampabay.rr.com> References: <200402211938.15376.kkohn@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: What Now Enterprises Message-Id: <1077454012.2525.20.camel@dragon.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:46:53 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.398, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 19:38, William Lindfors wrote: > Is there any app for linux that anyone has come across that will link up to an > exchange server? Don't think Kmail has any features that include connecting > to an exchange server. It would have to act like Outlook and not Outlook > Express that does not have any MAPI capability. Seems to me that I have connected at work via IMAP. . I took a knoppix CD in and told kmail to use IMAP and gave it the name of the local Exchange server. Perhaps IMAP needs to be turned on in Exchange? I'll try and remember to ask at work next week. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 22 09:14:38 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MEEb34017351 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:14:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1MEEb2f017350 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:14:37 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MEEV34017346 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:14:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MEEVSP008267 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:14:31 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1MEEIWg023268 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:14:18 -0500 Received: from blackgold (6535219hfc162.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.219.162]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i1MEEGVs020896 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:14:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000501c3f94e$82800860$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> From: "bpreece1" To: References: <200402211938.15376.kkohn@tampabay.rr.com> <1077454012.2525.20.camel@dragon.local> Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux email and exchange Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 09:16:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ask your Exchange Administrator to turn on IMAP and SMTP. Most dont because they are leary of atachments comming from other e-mail clients in addition to their own OE and Outlook. If they do turn it on the Calendar will not work though. Once this is done then you can use many other clients. Except Novell's Groupwise because it does not support standard MAPI they still use thier own MAPI protocols. At least this was the case up to POOPWISE 5.5.1. And Yes OE will work how ever you have to again have IMAP and SMTP setup on the Exchange Server Because by default it is turned off ! Below is a set of instructions on how to set up MAPI for "cough" {outlook Express}. Go to the Tools Menu, choose Options. Outlook Express 5, 5.1 & 6 Choose the General Tab. Down the bottom there is a section marked 'Default Messaging Programs'. Click on the button marked 'Make Default'. If this button is 'dimmed' the Outlook Express is already your default mail program. Hope this helps. Bill Preece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob File" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux email and exchange > On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 19:38, William Lindfors wrote: > > Is there any app for linux that anyone has come across that will link up to an > > exchange server? Don't think Kmail has any features that include connecting > > to an exchange server. It would have to act like Outlook and not Outlook > > Express that does not have any MAPI capability. > > Seems to me that I have connected at work via IMAP. . > I took a knoppix CD in and told kmail to use IMAP and gave it the name > of the local Exchange server. > Perhaps IMAP needs to be turned on in Exchange? I'll try and remember to > ask at work next week. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 22 11:37:30 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MGbT34018424 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:37:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1MGbTLx018423 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:37:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MGbT34018419 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:37:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MGbSST013040 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:37:28 -0500 Received: from virt14o.secure-wi.com (virt14o.secure-wi.com [209.216.203.4]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1MGb8Wg005034 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:37:08 -0500 Received: from HPPAVILION503W (2416459hfc41.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.59.41]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by virt14o.secure-wi.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i1MGb7X21124 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:37:07 -0800 Message-Id: <200402221637.i1MGb7X21124@virt14o.secure-wi.com> From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] linux email and exchange Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:37:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcP5Q6Q7Y94RkCW8TjCx1QvVPCjBygAHlauQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <1077454012.2525.20.camel@dragon.local> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.101, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Correct ... IMAP needs to be turned on in the Exchange Server configuration. Same goes for OWA (Outlook Web Access), which I believe Kmail's and Evolution's Exchange implementation relies upon. -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bob File Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 7:47 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux email and exchange On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 19:38, William Lindfors wrote: > Is there any app for linux that anyone has come across that will link up to an > exchange server? Don't think Kmail has any features that include connecting > to an exchange server. It would have to act like Outlook and not Outlook > Express that does not have any MAPI capability. Seems to me that I have connected at work via IMAP. . I took a knoppix CD in and told kmail to use IMAP and gave it the name of the local Exchange server. Perhaps IMAP needs to be turned on in Exchange? I'll try and remember to ask at work next week. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 22 11:38:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MGbw34018432 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:38:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1MGbwne018431 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:37:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MGbw34018427 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:37:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MGbvSP013048 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:37:57 -0500 Received: from virt14o.secure-wi.com (virt14o.secure-wi.com [209.216.203.4]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1MGbmWg005089 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:37:48 -0500 Received: from HPPAVILION503W (2416459hfc41.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.59.41]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by virt14o.secure-wi.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i1MGblX21164 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 08:37:47 -0800 Message-Id: <200402221637.i1MGblX21164@virt14o.secure-wi.com> From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] linux email and exchange Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:37:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcP5T8DdBwSd3NK0Qxen3dzLbheSAAAEmTjw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <000501c3f94e$82800860$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.101, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Incorrect ... our company has IMAP and SMTP both turned on and Calendar works flawlessly. -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of bpreece1 Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:17 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux email and exchange Ask your Exchange Administrator to turn on IMAP and SMTP. Most dont because they are leary of atachments comming from other e-mail clients in addition to their own OE and Outlook. If they do turn it on the Calendar will not work though. Once this is done then you can use many other clients. Except Novell's Groupwise because it does not support standard MAPI they still use thier own MAPI protocols. At least this was the case up to POOPWISE 5.5.1. And Yes OE will work how ever you have to again have IMAP and SMTP setup on the Exchange Server Because by default it is turned off ! Below is a set of instructions on how to set up MAPI for "cough" {outlook Express}. Go to the Tools Menu, choose Options. Outlook Express 5, 5.1 & 6 Choose the General Tab. Down the bottom there is a section marked 'Default Messaging Programs'. Click on the button marked 'Make Default'. If this button is 'dimmed' the Outlook Express is already your default mail program. Hope this helps. Bill Preece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob File" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux email and exchange > On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 19:38, William Lindfors wrote: > > Is there any app for linux that anyone has come across that will link up to an > > exchange server? Don't think Kmail has any features that include connecting > > to an exchange server. It would have to act like Outlook and not Outlook > > Express that does not have any MAPI capability. > > Seems to me that I have connected at work via IMAP. . > I took a knoppix CD in and told kmail to use IMAP and gave it the name > of the local Exchange server. > Perhaps IMAP needs to be turned on in Exchange? I'll try and remember to > ask at work next week. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 22 11:45:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MGjb34018522 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:45:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1MGjb89018521 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:45:37 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MGja34018517 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:45:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MGjaSP013306 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:45:36 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1MGjUs9003170 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:45:31 -0500 Received: from 192.168.1.116 (653258hfc63.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.58.63]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1MGjSuI025827 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:45:28 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless network problem possibly DHCP? Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:34:15 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <200402210937.39194.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> <40381E78.9000800@washpat.com> In-Reply-To: <40381E78.9000800@washpat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402221134.15873.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.906, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yeah I added the gateway using yast. Yast created a file called /etc/ sysconfig/network/routes the contents are: default 192.168.1.1 - - no change in behavior Regards Russ. On Saturday 21 February 2004 10:14 pm, Aaron Steimle wrote: > Have you tried setting the Gateway using Yast? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 22 17:20:39 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MMKc34021018 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:20:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1MMKcHd021017 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:20:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MMKc34021013 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:20:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MMKaSR024205 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:20:36 -0500 Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1MMKBWg006211 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:20:11 -0500 Received: from Arthur.Joe-Di.net ([4.65.194.211]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040222222011.CNKT8186.out004.verizon.net@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:20:11 -0600 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless network problem possibly DHCP? From: Joe Brandt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200402221134.15873.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> References: <200402210937.39194.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> <40381E78.9000800@washpat.com> <200402221134.15873.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1077470266.2248.0.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4-8mdk Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:17:47 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [4.65.194.211] at Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:20:11 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.825, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.42, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Do you have a firewall setup? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 22 18:45:08 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MNj834021647 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:45:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1MNj7CB021646 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:45:07 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MNj734021642 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:45:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1MNj6ST026926 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:45:06 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1MNitWg014414 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:44:55 -0500 Received: from blackgold (6535219hfc162.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.219.162]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i1MNiqVs015827 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:44:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000901c3f99e$38c528e0$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> From: "bpreece1" To: References: <200402210937.39194.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> <40381E78.9000800@washpat.com> <200402221134.15873.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless network problem possibly DHCP? Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:47:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net did you try to shutdown the router and cable modem wait a few then turn them back on ?????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Wright" To: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless network problem possibly DHCP? > Yeah I added the gateway using yast. Yast created a file called /etc/ > sysconfig/network/routes the contents are: > > default 192.168.1.1 - - > > > no change in behavior > > Regards > Russ. > > > On Saturday 21 February 2004 10:14 pm, Aaron Steimle wrote: > > Have you tried setting the Gateway using Yast? > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 23 00:32:08 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1N5W834024254 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:32:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1N5W8Tv024253 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:32:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1N5W734024249 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:32:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1N5W6SR006186 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:32:06 -0500 Received: from younicks.org (242823hfc229.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.23.229]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1N5Vns9029040 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:31:52 -0500 Received: by younicks.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 173172FD06; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:31:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:31:47 -0500 From: Matt Moen To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] SSLUG Meeting Message-ID: <20040223053147.GA29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-message-flag: Outlook? Viral infections & bugs for the foreseable future. X-Fortune: You will experience a strong urge to do good X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, it's been a while since the loosely knit Sarasota Social Linux User's Group (SSLUG: http://www.younicks.org/~matt/img/sslug.jpeg ) has met. I think it's high time for another exciting evening full of quality geek discussion, with some good beer thrown in for good measure. Next Tuesday is the traditional evening. The SSLUG meets at the Cock & Bull on Cattleman Rd., about a mile or so south of Fruitville Rd., in Sarasota. Things should kick off 'round 6:30 or so. For any questions, the all-encompassing answer is 42. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 23 07:47:48 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NCll34027642 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:47:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1NCllPY027641 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:47:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NCll34027637 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:47:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NClkSP022428 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:47:46 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (adslh225.cofs.net [207.87.240.225]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1NClbs9029521 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:47:38 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C61972 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207.87.240.225 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by www.digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:45:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <65489.207.87.240.225.1077540326.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <200402211938.15376.kkohn@tampabay.rr.com> References: <200402211938.15376.kkohn@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:45:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux email and exchange From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.688, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Is there any app for linux that anyone has come across that will link up to an > exchange server? Don't think Kmail has any features that include connecting > to an exchange server. It would have to act like Outlook and not Outlook > Express that does not have any MAPI capability. > Our local user group in South Florida recently had a talk on Exchange replacement. The notes will be available shortly, but in the meantime there was some discussion on the mailing list: http://www.flux.org/pipermail/linux/2004-February/014835.html -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 23 07:50:07 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NCo734027667 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:50:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1NCo6Tw027666 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:50:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NCo334027662 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:50:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NCo2SP022470 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:50:03 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (adslh225.cofs.net [207.87.240.225]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1NCnpWg003793 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:49:51 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F0B772 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:47:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207.87.240.225 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by www.digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:47:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <64454.207.87.240.225.1077540465.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <200402211938.15376.kkohn@tampabay.rr.com> References: <200402211938.15376.kkohn@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:47:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux email and exchange From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.688, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Is there any app for linux that anyone has come across that will link up to an > exchange server? Don't think Kmail has any features that include connecting > to an exchange server. It would have to act like Outlook and not Outlook > Express that does not have any MAPI capability. And moments after I posted my last comment, the slides were put up: http://www.flux.org/announcements.php?show=19 -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 23 10:53:53 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NFrq34029026 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:53:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1NFrqpF029025 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:53:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NFrq34029021 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:53:52 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NFrpSP028756 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:53:51 -0500 Received: from nks.net (icb-ws-00.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.12.9/8.12.7/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id i1NFrpFt003030 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:53:51 -0500 Message-ID: <403A220E.7000404@nks.net> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:53:50 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless network problem possibly DHCP? References: <200402210937.39194.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200402210937.39194.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This really sounds like a DHCP server misconfiguration, or a DHCP client problem. I'm guessing that you have a commercial off the shelf wireless access point that is providing the DHCP leases for your home network. Can you look at a packet dump of the lease that your client is receiving to see if there is a routers option for your default gateway? If the lease contains a default gateway, then your wireless workstation's DHCP client is not adding the default route correctly. If the lease does not contain a default gateway, then your wireless access point's DHCP server is misconfigured. What shows up in your system logs when the lease is obtained? - Ian Russ Wright wrote: > Hello Sluggers! > I need some help fixing a networking problem. The network funcitons properly > under Windows so I know the hardware is working. The problem seems to be > linux specific. I have a wireless network in my house and I cannot get > outside of my local area network. I am running Suse 9.0 pro and have a > Linksys WUSB11 ver 2.6 wireless nic. I am using the at76c503 - linux driver > for Atmel at76c503 based usb wlan adapters. > http://at76c503a.berlios.de/ > > I can hotplug the wireless nic and it is detected and the driver modules load > properly. I confirmed this by doing > #>lsmod > Module Size Used by Tainted: P > at76c503-rfmd 39360 0 (unused) > usbdfu 7820 0 [at76c503-rfmd] > at76c503 49824 0 [at76c503-rfmd] > > I then confirm the device is recognized and do a #> iwconfig > lo no wireless extensions. > eth0 no wireless extensions. > sit0 no wireless extensions. > eth1 ATMEL RFMD503A ESSID:"linksys" Nickname:"linksys" > Mode:Managed Channel:6 Access Point: 00:06:25:55:C9:FD > Bit Rate:11Mb/s > RTS thr=2347 B Fragment thr=2346 B > Encryption key:off > Link Quality:100 Signal level:65 Noise level:0 > Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 > Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 > > So I issued an #>ifup eth1 > warning: using NO encryption > ERROR: command 'iwconfig eth1 nick linux' returned > Error for wireless request "Set Nickname" (8B1C) : > SET failed on device eth1 ; Operation not supported. > Starting DHCP Client Daemon on eth1... . IP/Netmask: 192.168.1.102 / > 255.255.255.0 > > The error messages are no biggie the important part is that I get an IP > address. > > I also check the config: > #> ifconfig > eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:06:25:19:9A:3C > inet addr:192.168.1.102 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > inet6 addr: fe80::206:25ff:fe19:9a3c/64 Scope:Link > UP BROADCAST NOTRAILERS RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:58 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:63 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 > RX bytes:6763 (6.6 Kb) TX bytes:5274 (5.1 Kb) > > > When I issue #> route > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface > 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 > > Notice the missing gateway I cannot get outside my local area network. If I > manually add the route then it works. > > # route > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface > 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 > default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 > > So any Ideas on the problem? > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. -- - Ian C. Blenke - Director of Service Delivery (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 23 11:18:49 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NGIn34029202 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:18:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1NGIniA029201 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:18:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NGIh34029197 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:18:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NGIhSR029622 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:18:43 -0500 Received: from vandemar.local ([208.26.45.251]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1NGIEWg026135 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:18:14 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vandemar.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277E5114993 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:18:12 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <4037DD76.9020803@washpat.com> References: <4037DD76.9020803@washpat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Derek Glidden Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings-St. Pete Guest Speaker Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:18:11 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Feb 21, 2004, at 5:36 PM, Aaron Steimle wrote: > I just got word that we will be having a guest speaker, unless there > some flight delay's or anything to that nature. > > The speaker is Roberto Nibali is going to talk bout LVS the linux > software load balancer. > > He contacted me about a month ago, said we would be in saint pete for > some reason and would like to talk. I don't know much about him, but > his name sure does come up a lot when googled. Ratz! He's one of the main LVS developers. I might actually try to make this one, despite having to make it over the Frankenstein bridge at rush hour. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "We all enter this world in the | Support Electronic Freedom same way: naked; screaming; soaked | http://www.eff.org/ in blood. But if you live your | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ life right, that kind of thing |--------------------------- doesn't have to stop there." -- Dana Gould ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 23 15:44:40 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NKid34031169 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:44:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1NKidTr031168 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:44:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NKiS34031164 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:44:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NKiMSP006333 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:44:23 -0500 Received: from younicks.org (242823hfc229.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.23.229]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1NKhodF018316 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:43:50 -0500 Received: by younicks.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C6E382FBE2; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:43:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:43:48 -0500 From: Matt Moen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SSLUG Meeting Message-ID: <20040223204348.GB29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> References: <20040223053147.GA29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040223053147.GA29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-message-flag: Outlook? Viral infections & bugs for the foreseable future. X-Fortune: Never commit yourself! Let someone else commit you. X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Just to clarify here, the "Next Tuesday" I'm referring to here is February 24th. I've received RSVP's from Robin ("barring unforeseen nutsiness") and a handful of others. Obviously, you don't need to live in Sarasota to attend. Folks from northern realms are more than welcome...if you don't mind a drive. And if you're one of those strange folks that doesn't particularly like quality Belgian or three bazillian other varieties of quality beer, the Cock & Bull always has several varieties of mead, wine, colas, and other such things. Underage folks can enter the C&B too, although they'd obviously have to stick to non-alcoholic beverages. See you there. > Well, it's been a while since the loosely knit Sarasota Social Linux > User's Group (SSLUG: http://www.younicks.org/~matt/img/sslug.jpeg ) > has met. I think it's high time for another exciting evening full of > quality geek discussion, with some good beer thrown in for good measure. > > Next Tuesday is the traditional evening. > > The SSLUG meets at the Cock & Bull on Cattleman Rd., about a mile or so > south of Fruitville Rd., in Sarasota. Things should kick off 'round > 6:30 or so. For any questions, the all-encompassing answer is 42. > > > > Cock & Bull Pub > Address: 975 Cattlemen Rd, Sarasota, FL 34232 > Phone: (941) 341-9785 > -- Matthew Moen Microsoft Exchange: Incontrovertible proof that sometimes you /should/ shoot the messenger. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 23 16:09:53 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NL9r34031360 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:09:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1NL9rdY031359 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:09:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NL9q34031355 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:09:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1NL9qSR007395 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:09:52 -0500 Received: from vljcms11.ucmretail.internal.callsciences.com (outgoing.callsciences.com [67.17.166.10]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1NL96cW025364 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:09:07 -0500 Received: from ds600m (unverified [216.244.109.241]) by ucmmail.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 5.3.7) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:09:06 -0500 From: "Dan Simoes" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] SSLUG Meeting Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:09:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <20040223204348.GB29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Matt Moen wrote: > Obviously, you don't need to live in Sarasota to attend. Folks from > northern realms are more than welcome...if you don't mind a drive. Hmm, if I leave now, I'll be there in plenty of time, but it might be tough getting back in time for work on Wednesday :) | Dan | (that guy in NY) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 24 07:47:32 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1OClQ34006055 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:47:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1OClQM5006054 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:47:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1OClN34006049 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:47:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1OClMSP008608 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:47:22 -0500 Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1OClFjW002216 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:47:15 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar7-4-65-196-099.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.65.196.99] helo=192.168.2.5) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Avbxu-0006nJ-00; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 04:47:10 -0800 From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: linux-newbie@vger.kernel.org, SCADA Mailing List , slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Router spam Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:47:41 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402240747.41112.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c2609577ceb6df34f09dd3f13091a6c7e0855666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.101, required 7, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi All For a week or so now I have been starting up my laptop in the office and receiving a immediate pop-up spam add. Havinf all filters turned on including security, popups and cookies I was going nuts trying to figure out how I had became infected with a url transfer spam program in my Linux box. Thanks to a posting on another list I was able to ascertain that what is happening is that a router company has initiated an add campain of popups through their routers. The URL that always appears is: http://filter.belkin.com/setup.asp?SN=BEL13KK0&RP=21456&IP=192.168.0.2&FV=2.00.04 which is a Belkin Router add. The following story explains the situation: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/07/1740205&tid=153 My solution to this issue is to post notices on all know BB that if you buy Belkin products expects spam from Belkin. Thanks Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 24 14:07:41 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1OJ7e34008736 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:07:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1OJ7Z1f008735 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:07:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1OJ7Y34008731 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:07:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1OJ7TSP021632 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:07:29 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1OJ7FG8014079 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:07:15 -0500 Received: from hotrock (181-72.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.72.181]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1OJ7CVs017363 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.224 [261.9.8]); Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:07:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c3fb09$6bc90740$6501a8c0@hotrock> From: "Bill" To: References: <200402240747.41112.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router spam Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:07:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You need to update the router firmware (dated 11/17/03 or later) to turn off the spam. Do a Google search on Belkin routers spam for the sorry story. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Roberts - SOTL" To: ; "SCADA Mailing List" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:47 AM Subject: [SLUG] Router spam > Hi All > > For a week or so now I have been starting up my laptop in the office and > receiving a immediate pop-up spam add. > > Havinf all filters turned on including security, popups and cookies I was > going nuts trying to figure out how I had became infected with a url transfer > spam program in my Linux box. > > Thanks to a posting on another list I was able to ascertain that what is > happening is that a router company has initiated an add campain of popups > through their routers. > The URL that always appears is: > http://filter.belkin.com/setup.asp?SN=BEL13KK0&RP=21456&IP=192.168.0.2&FV=2.00.04 > > which is a Belkin Router add. > > The following story explains the situation: > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/07/1740205&tid=153 > > My solution to this issue is to post notices on all know BB that if you buy > Belkin products expects spam from Belkin. > > Thanks > Frank > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 24 16:16:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1OLGg34009691 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:16:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1OLGgq7009690 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:16:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1OLGa34009686 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:16:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1OLGaSR025871 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:16:36 -0500 Received: from firecrest.mail.pas.earthlink.net (firecrest.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1OLGQ7j022722 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:16:26 -0500 Received: from tamqfl1-ar7-4-65-196-099.tamqfl1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.65.196.99] helo=192.168.2.5) by firecrest.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Avjuj-00030X-00; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:16:26 -0800 From: Frank Roberts - SOTL To: slug@nks.net, "Bill" Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router spam Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:16:55 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200402240747.41112.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <000401c3fb09$6bc90740$6501a8c0@hotrock> In-Reply-To: <000401c3fb09$6bc90740$6501a8c0@hotrock> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402241616.56324.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c26096050ca862a5177d60c9df4a04d4fc329a8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.101, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi Bill Thanks for the information but please consider that this message was posted to SLUG only as a after thought. I posted the information solely as information because these types of actions could results in various serious consequences in the SCADA world. .[You would have note that this was originally posted to the SCADA list if you received the original headers to the message.] For serious consequences I mean death of personnel and destruction of major equipment such as steam turbines and boilers. To clarify my position with thisplease note.You only update equipment that is yours or you have permission to work on. The equipment is not mine. I do not have permission to work on it. I do not want to work on it and would be horrified if ask to. Thanks for the in On Tuesday 24 February 2004 02:07 pm, Bill wrote: > You need to update the router firmware (dated 11/17/03 or later) to turn > off the spam. Do a Google search on Belkin routers spam for the sorry > story. > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Roberts - SOTL" > To: ; "SCADA Mailing List" > ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:47 AM > Subject: [SLUG] Router spam > > > Hi All > > > > For a week or so now I have been starting up my laptop in the office and > > receiving a immediate pop-up spam add. > > > > Havinf all filters turned on including security, popups and cookies I was > > going nuts trying to figure out how I had became infected with a url > > transfer > > > spam program in my Linux box. > > > > Thanks to a posting on another list I was able to ascertain that what is > > happening is that a router company has initiated an add campain of popups > > through their routers. > > The URL that always appears is: > > http://filter.belkin.com/setup.asp?SN=BEL13KK0&RP=21456&IP=192.168.0.2&FV=2 >.00.04 > > > which is a Belkin Router add. > > > > The following story explains the situation: > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/07/1740205&tid=153 > > > > My solution to this issue is to post notices on all know BB that if you > > buy > > > Belkin products expects spam from Belkin. > > > > Thanks > > Frank > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 24 20:17:39 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P1HX34011472 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:17:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P1HXvc011471 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:17:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P1HX34011467 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:17:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P1HXSP001401 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:17:33 -0500 Received: from dallas.utilpart.com (67.104.161.74.ptr.us.xo.net [67.104.161.74]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1P1H9G8018538 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:17:17 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1NZWJSFW>; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:15:13 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD420@dallas.utilpart.com> From: wchast@utilpart.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings-St. Pete Guest Speaker Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:15:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net -----Original Message----- From: Derek Glidden [mailto:dglidden@illusionary.com] Sent: Monday, 23 February, 2004 11:18 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings-St. Pete Guest Speaker On Feb 21, 2004, at 5:36 PM, Aaron Steimle wrote: >> I just got word that we will be having a guest speaker, unless there >> some flight delay's or anything to that nature. >> >> The speaker is Roberto Nibali is going to talk bout LVS the linux >> software load balancer. >> >> He contacted me about a month ago, said we would be in saint pete for >> some reason and would like to talk. I don't know much about him, but >> his name sure does come up a lot when googled. >Ratz! He's one of the main LVS developers. I might actually try to >make this one, despite having to make it over the Frankenstein bridge >at rush hour. And don't forget about having to deal with snow birdz and other blu head creations. Too bad we can not get him to come to Tampa and give us a talk over here... ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 24 21:50:35 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P2oZ34012191 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:50:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P2oZfk012190 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:50:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P2oY34012186 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:50:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P2oYST004543 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:50:34 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1P2oRG8028203 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:50:27 -0500 Received: from 192.168.1.116 (653258hfc63.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.58.63]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1P2oNDJ023286; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:50:23 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net, bpreece1 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless network problem possibly DHCP? Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:48:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <200402210937.39194.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> <200402221134.15873.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> <000901c3f99e$38c528e0$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <000901c3f99e$38c528e0$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402242148.56389.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yes I shut them down several times and checked the config everything seems right. My wife has a win 98 laptop using the same Linksys USB Card and it works just fine. She gets an IP and a good config. The access point is a linksys WAPC11 My router is a linksys BEFSR11 Regards Russ On Sunday 22 February 2004 6:47 pm, bpreece1 wrote: > did you try to shutdown the router and cable modem wait a few then turn > them back on ?????? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 24 21:51:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P2pF34012208 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:51:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P2pFuk012207 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:51:15 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P2pE34012203 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:51:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P2pDSR004578 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:51:14 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1P2p7G8028289 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:51:07 -0500 Received: from 192.168.1.116 (653258hfc63.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.58.63]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1P2p4DJ023907; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:51:04 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net, Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless network problem possibly DHCP? Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:49:38 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <200402210937.39194.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> <200402221134.15873.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> <1077470266.2248.0.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> In-Reply-To: <1077470266.2248.0.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402242149.38433.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net No firewall on the Linux Laptop. On Sunday 22 February 2004 12:17 pm, Joe Brandt wrote: > Do you have a firewall setup? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 24 21:54:21 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P2sF34012237 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:54:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P2sFNZ012236 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:54:15 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P2sE34012232 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:54:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P2sESP004658 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:54:14 -0500 Received: from dallas.utilpart.com (67.104.161.74.ptr.us.xo.net [67.104.161.74]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1P2s5G8028509 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:54:06 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1NZWJTF8>; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:52:12 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD421@dallas.utilpart.com> From: wchast@utilpart.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Error enabling swap device Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:52:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I get the following error Error enabling swap device hda3: Invalid argument when I try to install RH 9 on a HP 7100 laptop. I used to have RH 8 on it, but never used it. I got RH 9 and decided to put it on there. I did not check the HD or anything else I just fired it up and starting putting 9 on. I have a idea of what it is saying but not sure what I need to do to fix it. I put win 98 on the disk and had no problems so attempted to put Linux back on but to no avail. Where do I poke first. ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 24 21:55:25 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P2tP34012249 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:55:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P2tPEU012248 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:55:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P2tG34012244 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:55:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P2tGST004682; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:55:16 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1P2sxG8028559; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:54:59 -0500 Received: from 192.168.1.116 (653258hfc63.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.58.63]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1P2su82022941; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:54:57 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net, Ian Blenke Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless network problem possibly DHCP? Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:53:29 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <200402210937.39194.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> <403A220E.7000404@nks.net> In-Reply-To: <403A220E.7000404@nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402242153.29951.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 23 February 2004 10:53 am, Ian Blenke wrote: > This really sounds like a DHCP server misconfiguration, or a DHCP client > problem. > > I'm guessing that you have a commercial off the shelf wireless access > point that is providing the DHCP leases for your home network. Yes I have a Linksys WAPC11 wireless access point and my router is a Linksys BEFSR11 router. > > Can you look at a packet dump of the lease that your client is receiving > to see if there is a routers option for your default gateway? > I would if I knew how. What tool could I use. > If the lease contains a default gateway, then your wireless > workstation's DHCP client is not adding the default route correctly. > If the lease does not contain a default gateway, then your wireless > access point's DHCP server is misconfigured. Well my wife has a win 98 laptop running the same wireless usb nic. Hers works perfect and in fact if I boot my laptop in win 98 it works just fine too. I think it is in the config of my linux wireless. > > What shows up in your system logs when the lease is obtained? What log is this in and I'll look. > > - Ian > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 24 22:16:30 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P3GU34012415 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:16:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P3GTwN012414 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:16:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P3GT34012410 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:16:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P3GTSP005431 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:16:29 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (adslh225.cofs.net [207.87.240.225]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1P3GA7j026782 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:16:11 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DAFE40A for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207.87.240.225 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by www.digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:13:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <65464.207.87.240.225.1077678829.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD421@dallas.utilpart.com> References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD421@dallas.utilpart.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:13:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Error enabling swap device From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I get the following error > Error enabling swap device hda3: Invalid argument > when I try to install RH 9 on a HP 7100 laptop. I > used to have RH 8 on it, but never used it. I got > RH 9 and decided to put it on there. I did not > check the HD or anything else I just fired it up > and starting putting 9 on. Try doing: Verify that /dev/hda3 is indeed a swap partition: fdisk -l /dev/hda You should see a line similar to this: /dev/hda5 13 152 1124518+ 82 Linux swap If this is correct, create the swap space: mkswap /dev/hda3 Verify that your /etc/fstab has the correct options for the swap space: /dev/hda3 swap swap defaults 0 0 Then try turning on swap again: swapon -a > > I have a idea of what it is saying but not sure > what I need to do to fix it. I put win 98 on the > disk and had no problems so attempted to put Linux > back on but to no avail. > > Where do I poke first. > > > > ***************************************************************** > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is > addressed. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 24 23:18:46 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P4Ij34012873 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:18:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P4IjvW012872 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:18:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P4Ij34012868 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:18:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P4IiSP007475 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:18:45 -0500 Received: from dallas.utilpart.com (67.104.161.74.ptr.us.xo.net [67.104.161.74]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1P4IY7j000414 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:18:34 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1NZWJ4FV>; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:16:41 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD422@dallas.utilpart.com> From: wchast@utilpart.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Error enabling swap device Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:16:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I tried that, I used the rescue selection on the CD as there is nothing but partitions on the computer. But I get the same thing. I have tried to set the machine up using both GUI and text mode and still get a failure at the point just after it ask me to select the packages to install and then starts to do the install, at that point it complains about the swap file. There is also another message that says that the following after giving the Error enabling... "This most likely is means this swap partition has not been initialized. Then it gives you a button to hit to reboot... If you look at the HD you see the partitions there but nothing else. -----Original Message----- From: Kwan Lowe [mailto:kwan@digitalhermit.com] Sent: Tuesday, 24 February, 2004 22:14 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Error enabling swap device > I get the following error > Error enabling swap device hda3: Invalid argument > when I try to install RH 9 on a HP 7100 laptop. I > used to have RH 8 on it, but never used it. I got > RH 9 and decided to put it on there. I did not > check the HD or anything else I just fired it up > and starting putting 9 on. Try doing: Verify that /dev/hda3 is indeed a swap partition: fdisk -l /dev/hda You should see a line similar to this: /dev/hda5 13 152 1124518+ 82 Linux swap If this is correct, create the swap space: mkswap /dev/hda3 Verify that your /etc/fstab has the correct options for the swap space: /dev/hda3 swap swap defaults 0 0 Then try turning on swap again: swapon -a > > I have a idea of what it is saying but not sure > what I need to do to fix it. I put win 98 on the > disk and had no problems so attempted to put Linux > back on but to no avail. > > Where do I poke first. > > > > ***************************************************************** > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is > addressed. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 24 23:30:26 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P4UP34013000 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:30:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P4UP8t012999 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:30:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P4UJ34012995 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:30:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P4UJSP007842 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:30:19 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1P4TvG8005560 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:29:58 -0500 Received: (qmail 12630 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 04:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 04:29:56 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] phpMyAdmin warning message Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:29:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402242329.56217.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net phpMyAdmin is a pretty slick piece of work but it's thorough enough that it's pointing out a fairly urgent problem. phpMyAdmin is telling me "Your configuration file contains settings (root with no password) that correspond to the default MySQL privileged account. Your MySQL server is running with this default, is open to intrusion, and you really should fix this security hole." This sounds like it is warning me about several things, none of them any good. 1) that the root MySQL account does not have a password 2) that phpMyAdmin is logged into MySQL as that passwordless root user 3) that anyone who wants to can log into my web server and really bugger things up. In Webmin I can see that the root user is indeed passwordless and I can give him a password. However, I can than no longer log in via phpMyAdmin. So I edited the password fields in config.inc.php to show (first) the hash of the password that Webmin showed me after encrypting it and (second try) the clear text of the password before encryption. I -want- to fix this hole but don't know how. phpMyAdmin looks to be a mighty useful tool, but I don't want to share admin priveleges with everybody on the planet. Solutions? Tips? Tutorials? Documentation segments to read? I'm not looking to be a MySQL consultant ... only to get this single instance of it running on my personal web server so I can serve variable content web pages. Bill -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 23:14:00 up 49 days, 23:56, 8 users, load average: 0.19, 0.26, 0.26 21:58:52 up 34 days, 2:11, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 24 23:44:48 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P4il34013112 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:44:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P4ilEx013111 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:44:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P4il34013107 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:44:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P4ikSP008249 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:44:46 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1P4ib7j002757 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:44:37 -0500 Received: (qmail 13228 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 04:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 04:44:37 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Quickie question Hellllllllllp! Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:44:36 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402242344.36563.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, OACYS_CONS_6 1.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have been reading through the httpd.conf file for several minutes now and cannot find the section where I turn directory display off. At the moment, it's pretty important that Apache refuse to divulge the contents of a particular directory (contains an unsecured admin tool ... see my prior posting.) Simply renaming index.php to something else didn't work because Apache is exposing the entire directory listing. Bill -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 23:41:01 up 50 days, 23 min, 8 users, load average: 0.08, 0.20, 0.18 21:58:52 up 34 days, 2:11, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 00:11:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P5BG34013321 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:11:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P5BGEe013320 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:11:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P5BA34013316 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:11:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P5BASR009275 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:11:10 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (adslh225.cofs.net [207.87.240.225]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1P5Aq7j006153 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:10:52 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E636D40A for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:08:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207.87.240.225 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by www.digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:08:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <63663.207.87.240.225.1077685713.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <200402242344.36563.bill13510@wwnet.net> References: <200402242344.36563.bill13510@wwnet.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:08:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Quickie question Hellllllllllp! From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, OACYS_CONS_6 1.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I have been reading through the httpd.conf file for several minutes now and > cannot find the section where I turn directory display off. At the moment, > it's pretty important that Apache refuse to divulge the contents of a > particular directory (contains an unsecured admin tool ... see my prior > posting.) Simply renaming index.php to something else didn't work because > Apache is exposing the entire directory listing. > You need to add a -Indexes option to the directory container. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 00:15:33 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P5FW34013354 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:15:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P5FWeA013353 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:15:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P5FW34013349 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:15:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P5FVST009446 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:15:31 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (adslh225.cofs.net [207.87.240.225]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1P5FEG8010813 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:15:15 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A8DB4E3 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:12:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207.87.240.225 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by www.digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:12:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <63591.207.87.240.225.1077685976.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD422@dallas.utilpart.com> References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD422@dallas.utilpart.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:12:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: [SLUG] Error enabling swap device From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I tried that, I used the rescue selection on the CD > as there is nothing but partitions on the computer. > > But I get the same thing. I have tried to set the > machine up using both GUI and text mode and still > get a failure at the point just after it ask me to > select the packages to install and then starts to > do the install, at that point it complains about > the swap file. > > There is also another message that says that the > following after giving the Error enabling... > > "This most likely is means this swap partition > has not been initialized. Hmm. Odd. You can try dropping into a shell during the install (it's on one of the virtual consoles) then running the mkswap command before the step that it turns on swap. It does sound like it's not running mkswap correctly. How large is your swap partition? I seem to recall an error with very large partitions. > > Then it gives you a button to hit to reboot... > > If you look at the HD you see the partitions there > but nothing else. > -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 00:21:44 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P5Lh34013417 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:21:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P5LhMF013416 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:21:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P5Lg34013412 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:21:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P5LgSR009719 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:21:42 -0500 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1P5LO7j007717 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:21:25 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955918pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.98]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <20040225052124013003fl4oe>; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 05:21:24 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AvrRu-0002WF-00 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:19:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] phpMyAdmin warning message From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200402242329.56217.bill13510@wwnet.net> References: <200402242329.56217.bill13510@wwnet.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-JB5WF9Ffb9Rlda5sEEJ1" Message-Id: <1077686350.5589.16.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:19:10 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-JB5WF9Ffb9Rlda5sEEJ1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 23:29, Bill Canaday wrote: > However, I can than no longer log in via phpMyAdmin.=20 I am a command line mysql user. It is my understanding that if you use shift characters in your mysql root passwd, phpMyAdmin will b0rk. > Solutions? Tips? Tutorials? Documentation segments to read? A small quantity of information can be found here: http://www.mysql.com/documentation/mysql/bychapter/index.html The Logan A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? --=-JB5WF9Ffb9Rlda5sEEJ1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAPDBO3OecGqSbkyMRArfNAKC8CTqlq1XU11tGVHmLOodQPucpzACgumom aoHWViq35aGC59zKqhye5OE= =Ji+h -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-JB5WF9Ffb9Rlda5sEEJ1-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 00:24:09 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P5O934013444 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:24:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P5O8cZ013443 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:24:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P5O234013435 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:24:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P5O2SP009810 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:24:02 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (adslh225.cofs.net [207.87.240.225]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1P5NnG8012096 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:23:49 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B670540A for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207.87.240.225 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by www.digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:21:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <65518.207.87.240.225.1077686490.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <200402242329.56217.bill13510@wwnet.net> References: <200402242329.56217.bill13510@wwnet.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:21:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] phpMyAdmin warning message From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > phpMyAdmin is a pretty slick piece of work but it's thorough enough that it's > pointing out a fairly urgent problem. > > phpMyAdmin is telling me > > "Your configuration file contains settings (root with no password) that > correspond to the default MySQL privileged account. Your MySQL server is > running with this default, is open to intrusion, and you really should fix > this security hole." > > This sounds like it is warning me about several things, none of them any good. > 1) that the root MySQL account does not have a password > 2) that phpMyAdmin is logged into MySQL as that passwordless root user > 3) that anyone who wants to can log into my web server and really bugger > things up. All of these things... How I generally set up MySQL is to create a dbadmin user with full priveleges. The MySQL permissions are completely separate from the OS/filesystem ones so this doesn't mean you lose any rights to the database. By default, MySQL allows the root user to login without a password to allow you to set up databases and users. Once this is done you generally disable the root login or change the password. > > In Webmin I can see that the root user is indeed passwordless and I can give > him a password. However, I can than no longer log in via phpMyAdmin. So I > edited the password fields in config.inc.php to show (first) the hash of the > password that Webmin showed me after encrypting it and (second try) the clear > text of the password before encryption. > You'd want the documentation here: http://www.phpmyadmin.net/documentation/ In particular, look at the Authentication options and verify that you have them set up correctly. Also note that using an htaccess file is recommended. You do *not* want to just disable the Index as I wrote in the other email (I didn't know the context of your question then). Though it is optional, you should create the phpmyadmin tables if you want the full functionality. Check out the canned sql scripts that do this for you. > I -want- to fix this hole but don't know how. phpMyAdmin looks to be a mighty > useful tool, but I don't want to share admin priveleges with everybody on the > planet. > > Solutions? Tips? Tutorials? Documentation segments to read? I'm not looking to > be a MySQL consultant ... only to get this single instance of it running on > my personal web server so I can serve variable content web pages. > > Bill -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 00:36:24 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P5aO34013560 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:36:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P5aOaI013559 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:36:24 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P5aM34013555 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:36:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P5aMSP010346 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:36:22 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1P5a57j009857 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:36:05 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E90BC7E44; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:36:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:36:04 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] iproute2 = man's best friend. Message-ID: <20040225053604.GA24339@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: Slug List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 00:24:30 up 2 days, 9:31, 7 users, load average: 0.02, 0.07, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks to Roberto Nibali, large sections of south america and belgium (??) can no longer port scan my box... % ip route blackhole PREFIX is my new favorite thing! I dare say that this last meeting was the best I've ever been to. also, my boxen shall not use ifconfig any more, unless I'm really feeling lazy... -- Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 01:24:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P6OA34013919 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:24:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P6OA9u013918 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:24:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P6O934013914 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:24:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P6O9SR011991 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:24:09 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1P6NwG8019049 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:23:58 -0500 Received: (qmail 17165 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 06:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 06:23:57 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] phpMyAdmin warning message Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:23:51 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <200402242329.56217.bill13510@wwnet.net> <1077686350.5589.16.camel@sirus> In-Reply-To: <1077686350.5589.16.camel@sirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402250123.51935.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 25 February 2004 12:19 am, you wrote: > A small quantity of information can be found here: > http://www.mysql.com/documentation/mysql/bychapter/index.html Okay, I found & followed the instructions for establishing a root password and verified that it works. I used only lower case alphanumeric characters. After some back & forth editing, phpMyAdmin is also running again. Thanks for the pointers. I thought I had read all the relevant sections of the MySQL / phpMyAdmin manuals (I normally don't post a question until I've at least glanced through the various manuals, man pages etc) but I guess I missed some important stuff. I THINK I killed outside access to the directory by Apache by using the Directory directive as follows. Order deny,allow Deny from all Allow from 192.168.1 Order deny,allow Deny from all Allow from 192.168.1 I wouldn't mind if someone took a look to make certain I got it right. Since I allow my own LAN to contact it, I don't know how to verify that it is working from within the LAN. I know that it worked when I wrote it more restrictively, but I don't know how to verify (belt + suspenders + superglue) that it is inaccessible from other machines while still open to mine. Bill -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 01:06:00 up 50 days, 1:48, 8 users, load average: 0.14, 0.14, 0.16 21:58:52 up 34 days, 2:11, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 01:31:16 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P6VB34014004 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:31:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P6VALY014003 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:31:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P6VA34013999 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:31:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P6VASP012288 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:31:10 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1P6UvG8019958 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:30:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 17407 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2004 06:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 06:30:57 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] phpMyAdmin warning message Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:30:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <200402242329.56217.bill13510@wwnet.net> <65518.207.87.240.225.1077686490.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <65518.207.87.240.225.1077686490.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402250130.56615.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 25 February 2004 12:21 am, you wrote: > > In particular, look at the Authentication options and verify that you have > them set up correctly. Also note that using an htaccess file is > recommended. You do *not* want to just disable the Index as I wrote in the > other email (I didn't know the context of your question then). I handled things globally in the httpd.conf file with Directory directives (I think ... see my other response on this matter). > > Though it is optional, you should create the phpmyadmin tables if you want > the full functionality. Check out the canned sql scripts that do this for > you. > Okay ... I was doing fine but you lost me there. WHAT phpMyAdmin tables are you talking about? -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 01:25:00 up 50 days, 2:07, 8 users, load average: 0.13, 0.23, 0.20 21:58:52 up 34 days, 2:11, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 01:52:02 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P6q234014159 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:52:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P6pvBG014158 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:51:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P6pu34014154 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:51:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P6puSP013205 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:51:56 -0500 Received: from dallas.utilpart.com (67.104.161.74.ptr.us.xo.net [67.104.161.74]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1P6pX7j018979 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:51:34 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1NZWJVYL>; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:49:39 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD424@dallas.utilpart.com> From: wchast@utilpart.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Error enabling swap device Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:49:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I dropped to the shell, on console 4 is where I see the interesting stuff. I am trying to figure out how I can capture that to a file say on a floppy or a CF card so I can send it to you. I see what look like line after line of; cdrom_decode_status: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error} cdrom_decode_status: error=0x34Aborted Command LastFailSense 0x03 these two lines alternate 4 times. I see one line; ATAPI reset complete then more lines of the previous messages again 4 times then; Unable to find swap-space signature At that point on the GUI I get the swap partition message and on console 4 it says it is rebooting. Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." > -----Original Message----- > From: Kwan Lowe [mailto:kwan@digitalhermit.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 25 February, 2004 00:13 > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: RE: [SLUG] Error enabling swap device > > > > I tried that, I used the rescue selection on the CD > > as there is nothing but partitions on the computer. > > > > But I get the same thing. I have tried to set the > > machine up using both GUI and text mode and still > > get a failure at the point just after it ask me to > > select the packages to install and then starts to > > do the install, at that point it complains about > > the swap file. > > > > There is also another message that says that the > > following after giving the Error enabling... > > > > "This most likely is means this swap partition > > has not been initialized. > > Hmm. Odd. You can try dropping into a shell during the install (it's on > one of > the virtual consoles) then running the mkswap command before the step that > it > turns on swap. It does sound like it's not running mkswap correctly. How > large > is your swap partition? I seem to recall an error with very large > partitions. > > > > > > Then it gives you a button to hit to reboot... > > > > If you look at the HD you see the partitions there > > but nothing else. > > > > > -- > * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com > * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 02:07:51 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P77p34014270 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:07:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P77o7q014269 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:07:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P77o34014265 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:07:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P77kSP014024 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:07:50 -0500 Received: from dallas.utilpart.com (67.104.161.74.ptr.us.xo.net [67.104.161.74]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1P76hG8025964 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:06:43 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1NZWJV98>; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:04:49 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD425@dallas.utilpart.com> From: wchast@utilpart.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] top posting Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:04:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > The Logan > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? I am trying to figure out how to get this stupid outlook crap to post correctly. Right now I have to go in and manually move things all to the bottom of the previous post. Egg sucking MS crap. Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of Utility Partners, Inc shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 02:31:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P7VZ34014477 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:31:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1P7VZPZ014476 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:31:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P7VZ34014472 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:31:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1P7VYSP014874 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:31:34 -0500 Received: from dallas.utilpart.com (67.104.161.74.ptr.us.xo.net [67.104.161.74]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1P7VK7j024485 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:31:21 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1NZWJWH2>; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:29:26 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD426@dallas.utilpart.com> From: wchast@utilpart.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Error enabling swap device Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:29:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I think the problem is with my CD drive. I am trying to figure out how to get it to read off of this Win-XP machine that I am using (corporate issue not my personal machine) then I will load the thing that way. I have a wireless nic card in the HP same goes with this XP machine. If I can just get things set up to read the CD on the XP box I will be in good shape. Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard drive. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 08:29:00 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PDT034017326 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:29:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1PDT0gH017325 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:29:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PDSx34017321 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:28:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PDSrSX027229 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:28:53 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (adslh225.cofs.net [207.87.240.225]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1PDSR7j001318 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:28:28 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F51440A for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207.87.240.225 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by www.digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:26:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <65413.207.87.240.225.1077715566.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <200402250130.56615.bill13510@wwnet.net> References: <200402242329.56217.bill13510@wwnet.net> <65518.207.87.240.225.1077686490.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> <200402250130.56615.bill13510@wwnet.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:26:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] phpMyAdmin warning message From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > On Wednesday 25 February 2004 12:21 am, you wrote: > >> >> In particular, look at the Authentication options and verify that you have >> them set up correctly. Also note that using an htaccess file is >> recommended. You do *not* want to just disable the Index as I wrote in the >> other email (I didn't know the context of your question then). > > I handled things globally in the httpd.conf file with Directory directives (I > think ... see my other response on this matter). >> >> Though it is optional, you should create the phpmyadmin tables if you want >> the full functionality. Check out the canned sql scripts that do this for >> you. >> > Okay ... I was doing fine but you lost me there. WHAT phpMyAdmin tables are > you talking about? >From http://www.phpmyadmin.net/documentation/ : "For a whole set of new features (bookmarks, comments, SQL-history, PDF-generation, field contents transformation, etc.) you need to create a set of tables in your database. Please look at your scripts/ directory, where you should find a file called create_tables.sql. (If you are using a Windows server, pay special attention to FAQ 1.23). You can already use your phpMyAdmin to create the tables for you. Please be aware that you may have to have special (administrator) privileges to create the database and tables. After having imported the create_tables.sql file, you should specify the table names in your config.inc.php file. The directives used for that can be found in the Configuration section." Use the create_tables.sql file to create the initial tables. It's just a bunch of mysql statements that you can read in and execute. > -- > http://cannaday.us (genealogy) > http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) > Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. > 01:25:00 up 50 days, 2:07, 8 users, load average: 0.13, 0.23, 0.20 > 21:58:52 up 34 days, 2:11, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 08:35:51 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PDZo34017394 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:35:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1PDZoUl017393 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:35:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PDZo34017389 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:35:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PDZiSZ027425 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:35:44 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (adslh225.cofs.net [207.87.240.225]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1PDXC7j001862 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:33:12 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2083D40A for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207.87.240.225 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by www.digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:30:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <63607.207.87.240.225.1077715851.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD424@dallas.utilpart.com> References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD424@dallas.utilpart.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:30:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: [SLUG] Error enabling swap device From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I dropped to the shell, on console 4 is where I see > the interesting stuff. I am trying to figure out how > I can capture that to a file say on a floppy or a CF > card so I can send it to you. I see what look like > line after line of; > cdrom_decode_status: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error} > cdrom_decode_status: error=0x34Aborted Command LastFailSense 0x03 > these two lines alternate 4 times. > I see one line; > ATAPI reset complete > then more lines of the previous messages again 4 times > then; > Unable to find swap-space signature > At that point on the GUI I get the swap partition message > and on console 4 it says it is rebooting. > This indicates either a bad CD or CDROM drive. Before running the installation did you try verifying the CD? Unfortunately a bad CDROM can lead to weird errors that are sometimes unrelated to what's actually at fault. My next suggestion would be to boot into rescue mode to run mkswap. The swap-space signature error means that mkswap was not run. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 08:37:51 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PDbp34017417 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:37:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1PDbjZT017416 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:37:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PDbj34017412 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:37:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PDbiSV027455 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:37:44 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1PDaj7j002172 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:36:46 -0500 Received: from GOKU ([192.168.10.160]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA13195 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:29:22 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c3fba2$5b49c1e0$a00aa8c0@GOKU> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: Subject: [SLUG] Fw: Request for a talk ;) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:22:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, OACYS_CONS_6 1.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roberto Nibali" To: "Aaron Steimle" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:45 AM Subject: Re: Request for a talk ;) > Hi Aaron, > > Thanks again for inviting me to give a talk. It's always nice to meet > new people working in the same field as I do; and I truely hope we'll > meet again sometimes in the future in Switzerland. > > I'd like to give you some information you could forward to our LUG lists. > > The talk can be downloaded from here [1]. The site is here [2]. Now > there is a LVS Howto side [3] and the mailinglist [4]. > > If you need information on the iproute2 framework, you can use the > following sites [5] & [6]. > > The problem on "stateful" packet filtering can be found here [7]. It's > fixed with this [8] approach plus its dependencies. My analysis on high > speed packet filtering can be found when you go to [9] and click on > "Performance Tests". > > I am in the board of the /ch/open Unix User Group Switzerland [10]. > > [1] http://pubwww.fhzh.ch/~rnibali/lvs.pdf > [2] http://www.linux-vs.org > [3] http://www.austintek.com/LVS/LVS-HOWTO/ > [4] http://www.linux-vs.org/mailing.html > [5] http://www.lartc.org/manpages/ > [6] http://www.policyrouting.org/PolicyRoutingBook/ONLINE/TOC.html > [7] http://www.iae.nl/users/guido/papers/tcp_filtering.ps.gz > [8] > http://www.netfilter.org/patch-o-matic/pom-extra.html#pom-extra-tcp-window-t racking > [9] http://www.hipac.org/ > [10] http://www.ch-open.ch/ > > If I promised you more links, please let me know. > > Best regards, > Roberto Nibali, ratz > -- > echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 10:09:24 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PF9N34018082 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:09:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1PF9Nrw018081 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:09:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PF9M34018077 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:09:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PF9MST029802 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:09:22 -0500 Received: from vandemar.local ([208.26.45.251]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1PF5q7j010758 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:05:52 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vandemar.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5EC14E368 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:05:49 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD420@dallas.utilpart.com> References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD420@dallas.utilpart.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <186E3D08-67A4-11D8-9867-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Derek Glidden Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings-St. Pete Guest Speaker Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:05:48 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Feb 24, 2004, at 8:15 PM, wchast@utilpart.com wrote: > > And don't forget about having to deal with snow birdz > and other blu head creations. Too bad we can not get > him to come to Tampa and give us a talk over here... Don't even push _that_ button... I had to miss the talk anyway. One of the drives in one of my servers at home caught fire or leprosy or something. Fortunately I had a backup, but when I got home it sounded like a raquetball game was going on inside the drive. Horrible carnage everywhere. Man I hate computers... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "We all enter this world in the | Support Electronic Freedom same way: naked; screaming; soaked | http://www.eff.org/ in blood. But if you live your | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ life right, that kind of thing |--------------------------- doesn't have to stop there." -- Dana Gould ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 10:49:22 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PFnM34018393 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:49:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1PFnLVB018392 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:49:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PFnL34018388 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:49:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PFn1Sb030939 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:49:15 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1PFkC7j014910 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:46:12 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (236-42.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.42.236]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1PFk8DJ011351 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:46:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from bard.sytes.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bard.sytes.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 234DC718C8 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 129.41.55.200 (SquirrelMail authenticated user levi) by bard.sytes.net with HTTP; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:57:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <59992.129.41.55.200.1077724667.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <186E3D08-67A4-11D8-9867-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD420@dallas.utilpart.com> <186E3D08-67A4-11D8-9867-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:57:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings-St. Pete Guest Speaker From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I had to miss the talk anyway. One of the drives in one of my servers > at home caught fire or leprosy or something. Fortunately I had a > backup, but when I got home it sounded like a raquetball game was going > on inside the drive. Horrible carnage everywhere. Man I hate > computers... Is there a colony of leprous hard disks somewhere to which it can be relegated, or do you have to thoroughly incinerate it? Levi ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 13:22:46 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PIMj34019498 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:22:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1PIMjHU019497 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:22:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PIMi34019493 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:22:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PIMiSV002823 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:22:44 -0500 Received: from server109.anhosting.com (server109.anhosting.com [205.243.144.67]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1PIL27j031570 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:21:03 -0500 Received: from 6532249hfc153.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.249.153] helo=localhost.localdomain) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Aw3eY-0006p2-Ut for slug@nks.net; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:21:03 -0600 From: Steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] top posting Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:20:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD425@dallas.utilpart.com> In-Reply-To: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD425@dallas.utilpart.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402251320.57806.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.anhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 25 February 2004 02:04 am, wchast@utilpart.com wrote: > > The Logan > > > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read > > text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > > A: Top-posting. > > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? > > I am trying to figure out how to get this stupid outlook crap to > post correctly. > > Right now I have to go in and manually move things all to the bottom > of the previous post. Egg sucking MS crap. I thought there was an option for having it on top or bottom. Of course you should not be using either Outlook / Outlook Express / Internet Explorer or Media player online as they are a hackers best friend. At our company they are all banned. Mozilla for browsing and email. A business don't need online music either. Radio or hold music from the phone is just fine. > Chuck Hast > > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my > going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of > torn and twisted metal." > > > ***************************************************************** > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom > it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, > please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you > may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard > drive. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 13:55:56 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PIto34019761 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:55:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1PItokV019760 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:55:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PIto34019756 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:55:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PItmSn003677 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:55:49 -0500 Received: from vandemar.local ([208.26.45.251]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1PIqt7j001911 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:52:55 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vandemar.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DA014F16B for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:52:54 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <59992.129.41.55.200.1077724667.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> References: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD420@dallas.utilpart.com> <186E3D08-67A4-11D8-9867-000A95DBAEDE@illusionary.com> <59992.129.41.55.200.1077724667.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Derek Glidden Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings-St. Pete Guest Speaker Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:52:54 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Feb 25, 2004, at 10:57 AM, Levi Bard wrote: >> I had to miss the talk anyway. One of the drives in one of my servers >> at home caught fire or leprosy or something. Fortunately I had a >> backup, but when I got home it sounded like a raquetball game was >> going >> on inside the drive. Horrible carnage everywhere. Man I hate >> computers... > > Is there a colony of leprous hard disks somewhere to which it can be > relegated, or do you have to thoroughly incinerate it? Mostly what I do when a drive is deemed unsavable is open it up, then plug it into a spare mothoerboard and see if I can get it to do anything while poking at various bits of it with non-conductive poking things. (Jacob's Ladders, mad laughter and cries of "It's Alive!" purely optional...) If that doesn't work, or when I get bored with poking, they generally get piled up in my already overcrowded room, usually in a way that they'll fall over onto my foot when I flip the light switch on in the middle of the night, causing many expletive exclamations. So when a previously good drive dies, I'm sure it's purely spite. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "We all enter this world in the | Support Electronic Freedom same way: naked; screaming; soaked | http://www.eff.org/ in blood. But if you live your | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ life right, that kind of thing |--------------------------- doesn't have to stop there." -- Dana Gould ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 14:30:11 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PJUB34020039 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:30:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1PJUBBa020038 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:30:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PJUA34020034 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:30:10 -0500 Received: from hoju.nks.net (hoju.nks.net [192.168.1.17]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PJUASP004672 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:30:10 -0500 Received: from nks.net (icb-ws-00.nks.net [192.168.1.28]) by hoju.nks.net (8.12.9/8.12.7/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id i1PJUAFt006287 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:30:10 -0500 Message-ID: <403CF7C1.8020301@nks.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:30:09 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless network problem possibly DHCP? References: <200402210937.39194.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> <403A220E.7000404@nks.net> <200402242153.29951.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200402242153.29951.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Russ Wright wrote: > Well my wife has a win 98 laptop running the same wireless usb nic. Hers > works perfect and in fact if I boot my laptop in win 98 it works just fine > too. I think it is in the config of my linux wireless. Sounds like a DHCP client problem. Probably something to do with your ifup and/or pcmcia or hot-plug-n-play network scripts. This probably has nothing to do with your wireless configuration. Treat this problem like it's a wired connection - see if someone isn't having a similar problem in the support forums. Do you have a normal ethernet card handy to see if it works? >>What shows up in your system logs when the lease is obtained? > > What log is this in and I'll look. Usually /var/log/daemon.log or /var/log/messages, and possibly /var/log/syslog. -- - Ian C. Blenke - Director of Service Delivery (This message bound by the following: http://www.nks.net/email_disclaimer.html) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 17:44:31 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PMiV34021423 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:44:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1PMiQPQ021422 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:44:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PMiK34021418 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:44:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1PMiESP010333 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:44:14 -0500 Received: from dallas.utilpart.com (67.104.161.74.ptr.us.xo.net [67.104.161.74]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1PMh0G8031468 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:43:01 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1NZWJ09V>; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:41:06 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD42F@dallas.utilpart.com> From: wchast@utilpart.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] top posting Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:41:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve [mailto:steve@szmidt.org] > Sent: Wednesday, 25 February, 2004 13:21 > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] top posting > > On Wednesday 25 February 2004 02:04 am, wchast@utilpart.com wrote: > > > The Logan > > > > > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read > > > text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > > > A: Top-posting. > > > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? > > > > I am trying to figure out how to get this stupid outlook crap to > > post correctly. > > > > Right now I have to go in and manually move things all to the bottom > > of the previous post. Egg sucking MS crap. > > I thought there was an option for having it on top or bottom. > Of course you should not be using either Outlook / Outlook Express / > Internet Explorer or Media player online as they are a hackers best > friend. I will look again, I did not see any. As to the usage of Outlook, that is a corporate determination, and I have no say in it. I do use my company notebook to do e-mail and Outlook is what they have setup and Exchange is the server side. I have to live with it on this machine. > > At our company they are all banned. Mozilla for browsing and email. > A business don't need online music either. Radio or hold music from the > phone is just fine. > I wish I could get the same to happen in our company, but that will probably be a LONG time off. As to on line music, I never use it, eats up BW that I usually need to pull maps and other large files through. > > Chuck Hast > > > > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my > > going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of > > torn and twisted metal." > > > > > > ***************************************************************** > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > > are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom > > it is addressed. If you have received this transmission in error, > > please notify the sender immediately and destroy any hard copies you > > may have printed and remove all copies of the e-mail from your hard > > drive. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 25 22:43:51 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1Q3hp34023624 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:43:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1Q3ho7Z023623 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:43:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1Q3ho34023619 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:43:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1Q3hnSX019143 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:43:50 -0500 Received: from younicks.org (242823hfc229.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.23.229]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1Q3hWG8030003 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:43:32 -0500 Received: by younicks.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 053BF2FBD7; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:43:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:43:30 -0500 From: Matt Moen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SSLUG Meeting Message-ID: <20040226034330.GC29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> References: <20040223053147.GA29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> <20040223204348.GB29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040223204348.GB29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-message-flag: Outlook? Viral infections & bugs for the foreseable future. X-Fortune: Lord, what fools these mortals be! -- William Shakespeare, "A Midsummer-Night's Dream" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, for those who were scared away by the weather last night, we had a fantastic evening. Robin had all sorts of interesting tales from the middle and far east. The Logan had all sorts of amusing (and oft witty and snide) things to say about everything, and Josh Burroughs and myself chirped in here and their and sipped tasty beer. And then a crowd of attractive geek girls arrived from New College. Seeing as how Tuesday seems to attract /huge/ crowds (like 4), is anyone adverse to doing this on a Thursday next time? The first Thursday of the month on Odd months only? (thus avoiding things like December) Although, such formality seems to clash with the very nature of the SSLUG. Therefore, I propose the first Thursday of the month...when we feel like it. :-) Does anyone have any better ideas? And when are you folks up north going to get your act together and form the DSLUG? (Dunedin Social Linux User's Group) I've been to the Dunedin brewery, and am throughly impressed. > Just to clarify here, the "Next Tuesday" I'm referring to here is > February 24th. I've received RSVP's from Robin ("barring unforeseen > nutsiness") and a handful of others. > > Obviously, you don't need to live in Sarasota to attend. Folks from northern > realms are more than welcome...if you don't mind a drive. > > And if you're one of those strange folks that doesn't particularly like > quality Belgian or three bazillian other varieties of quality beer, the > Cock & Bull always has several varieties of mead, wine, colas, and other > such things. Underage folks can enter the C&B too, although they'd > obviously have to stick to non-alcoholic beverages. > > See you there. > > > Well, it's been a while since the loosely knit Sarasota Social Linux > > User's Group (SSLUG: http://www.younicks.org/~matt/img/sslug.jpeg ) > > has met. I think it's high time for another exciting evening full of > > quality geek discussion, with some good beer thrown in for good measure. > > > > Next Tuesday is the traditional evening. > > > > The SSLUG meets at the Cock & Bull on Cattleman Rd., about a mile or so > > south of Fruitville Rd., in Sarasota. Things should kick off 'round > > 6:30 or so. For any questions, the all-encompassing answer is 42. > > > > > > > > Cock & Bull Pub > > Address: 975 Cattlemen Rd, Sarasota, FL 34232 > > Phone: (941) 341-9785 > > > > -- > Matthew Moen > > Microsoft Exchange: Incontrovertible proof that sometimes you > /should/ shoot the messenger. > > > The following disclaimer is provided courtesy of, and willy-nilly by, NKS: > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > -- Matthew Moen Microsoft Exchange: Incontrovertible proof that sometimes you /should/ shoot the messenger. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 26 08:44:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1QDil34028217 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:44:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1QDilSB028216 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:44:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1QDif34028212 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:44:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1QDieSR006281 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:44:40 -0500 Received: from cerberus (169-99.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.99.169]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1QDhQG8002955 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:43:26 -0500 Received: from dervish.lazyhobbit.org ([192.168.1.11]) by cerberus with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AwLnS-0002bP-00 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:43:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] SSLUG Meeting From: Jonathan Freiermuth To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20040226034330.GC29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> References: <20040223053147.GA29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> <20040223204348.GB29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> <20040226034330.GC29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1077803006.8329.124.camel@dervish.lazyhobbit.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:43:26 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 22:43, Matt Moen wrote: > Seeing as how Tuesday seems to attract /huge/ crowds (like 4), is anyone > adverse to doing this on a Thursday next time? The first Thursday of > the month on Odd months only? (thus avoiding things like December) > Although, such formality seems to clash with the very nature of the > SSLUG. So the next first Thursday of an odd month is March 4; or next Thursday. Or perhaps that is too soon for another "meeting". The call of the Belgians may be enough to inspire a drive down from northern Pinellas. If you have recovered from your festivities by then, that is. > And when are you folks up north going to get your act together and form > the DSLUG? (Dunedin Social Linux User's Group) I've been to the > Dunedin brewery, and am throughly impressed. Well, this is a fantastic idea. Anyone else out there interested in a jaunt to Dunedin for a sampling of the sauce and some geek speak ? -- Jonathan Freiermuth slug@lazyhobbit.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 26 10:24:58 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1QFOv34028956 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:24:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1QFOvks028955 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:24:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1QFOu34028951 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:24:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1QFOuSP009143 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:24:56 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1QFOR7j008238 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:24:32 -0500 Received: from bard.sytes.net (236-42.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.42.236]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1QFO3uI020436 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from bard.sytes.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bard.sytes.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BCA5E718C8 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 129.41.55.200 (SquirrelMail authenticated user levi) by bard.sytes.net with HTTP; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:35:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6956.129.41.55.200.1077809742.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> In-Reply-To: <1077803006.8329.124.camel@dervish.lazyhobbit.org> References: <20040223053147.GA29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> <20040223204348.GB29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> <20040226034330.GC29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> <1077803006.8329.124.camel@dervish.lazyhobbit.org> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:35:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] SSLUG Meeting From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> And when are you folks up north going to get your act together and form >> the DSLUG? (Dunedin Social Linux User's Group) I've been to the >> Dunedin brewery, and am throughly impressed. > > Well, this is a fantastic idea. Anyone else out there interested in a > jaunt to Dunedin for a sampling of the sauce and some geek speak ? I could go for a social meeting in Dunedin. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 26 16:44:38 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1QLib34031798 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:44:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1QLibDY031797 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:44:37 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1QLia34031793 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:44:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1QLiaSP021493 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:44:36 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1QLiAG8020567 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:44:10 -0500 Received: from sanctuaryweb.org (2416459hfc41.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.59.41]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1QLi7DJ016802 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:44:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by sanctuaryweb.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4F7E51F748; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:44:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] Some updates on the SCO saga... From: Steven Buehler To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1077831844.3790.1.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4-8mdk Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:44:04 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Found the following on the "Linux Today" RSS feed: "The big info is this: SCO has apparently dropped its trade secret claims against IBM and as for the copyright claim, it is melting. So far, according to IBM, SCO has shown not one line of 'infringing code' and SCO, he said, 'repeats their theory' that IBM put AIX code into Linux, and identified only 17 files and identified a few lines in those files. "How would that impact Linux end users, even if they could prove their legal theory? "(UPDATE: I have just heard from another eyewitness too, and he heard the same thing. He read to me the copyright infringement claim, and in fact it is only about IBM and only about their continuing to distribute AIX after the 'termination' by SCO, not any prior copyright infringement...)" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 26 17:22:14 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1QMME34032100 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:22:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1QMMD9c032099 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:22:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1QMM834032095 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:22:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1QMM7SP022713 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:22:07 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1QMKkG8024362 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:20:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (6532165hfc17.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.165.17]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1QMKeuI023137 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=www.sandmcomputers.com ident=www-data) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AwTrz-0002Ov-00 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:20:39 -0500 Received: from 67.96.238.162 (SquirrelMail authenticated user mmiller1) by www.sandmcomputers.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:20:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <62852.67.96.238.162.1077834039.squirrel@www.sandmcomputers.com> In-Reply-To: <6956.129.41.55.200.1077809742.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> References: <20040223053147.GA29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> <20040223204348.GB29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> <20040226034330.GC29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> <1077803006.8329.124.camel@dervish.lazyhobbit.org> <6956.129.41.55.200.1077809742.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:20:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] SSLUG Meeting From: "Matt Miller" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard said: >>> And when are you folks up north going to get your act together and form >>> the DSLUG? (Dunedin Social Linux User's Group) I've been to the >>> Dunedin brewery, and am throughly impressed. >> >> Well, this is a fantastic idea. Anyone else out there interested in a >> jaunt to Dunedin for a sampling of the sauce and some geek speak ? > > I could go for a social meeting in Dunedin. The Tampa Bay Brewing Company in Ybor City is pretty darn good as well. I could always find an excuse to go there. I think the idea of having these social LUG's is a great idea. Any Tampa Linux peeps interested in a TSLUG? Matt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 26 19:51:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R0pF34000780 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:51:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1R0pEpF000779 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:51:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R0pE34000775 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:51:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R0pDSP027212 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:51:14 -0500 Received: from blackadder.aqhostdns.com (blackadder.aqhostdns.com [63.247.129.138]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1R0og7j002119 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:50:42 -0500 Received: from wbar11.tampa1-4-4-135-144.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.4.135.144] helo=roblimo.com) by blackadder.aqhostdns.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AwWDE-0005Th-7j for slug@nks.net; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:50:44 -0500 Message-ID: <403E945F.1050302@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:50:39 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040122 Debian/1.5-3 StumbleUpon/1.902 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - blackadder.aqhostdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.435, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Test ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 26 21:43:52 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R2hq34001608 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:43:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1R2hph7001607 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:43:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R2hp34001603 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:43:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R2hoSP030762; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:43:50 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1R2hV7j013161; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:43:31 -0500 Received: from 192.168.1.116 (653258hfc63.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.58.63]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1R2hS82029704; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:43:29 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net, Ian Blenke Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless network problem possibly DHCP? Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:35:25 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <200402210937.39194.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> <200402242153.29951.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> <403CF7C1.8020301@nks.net> In-Reply-To: <403CF7C1.8020301@nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402262135.25515.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 25 February 2004 2:30 pm, Ian Blenke wrote: > This probably has nothing to do with your wireless configuration. Treat > this problem like it's a wired connection - see if someone isn't having > a similar problem in the support forums. Do you have a normal ethernet > card handy to see if it works? I do have an internal wired network card (realtek 8029) and it functions perfectly. I'm using it right now to connect to the same network. that has the Wireless access point. I agree it must be something in the wireless config but I am at a loss as to what it could be. I'll keep tinkering. Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 26 21:51:51 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R2pp34001690 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:51:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1R2ppCR001689 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:51:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R2po34001685 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:51:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R2poSP031018 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:51:50 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1R2paG8017905 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:51:36 -0500 Received: from 192.168.1.116 (653258hfc63.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.58.63]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1R2pX82005924 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:51:34 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] network profiles Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:43:29 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402262143.29861.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers I have SUSE Linux Pro 9.0 I would like to configure my laptop so I can have multiple configurations for my internal nic card. For example my home network uses DHCP and is pretty vanilla and is currently configured at eth0. This office assigned me a static IP address and supplied me with the IP address for gateway and DNS. I need to be able to create a network profile that has all the setting for work and one for my home network settings. So two configurations pointing at the same network device that I can select based on if I am home or at the office. Any idea how I create this? Can I set it up so on boot I can choose a profile? Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 26 21:51:42 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R2pg34001683 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:51:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1R2pgfd001682 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:51:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R2pf34001678 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:51:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R2pfSR031013 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:51:41 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1R2pF7j013908 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:51:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 3382 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 02:51:15 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 02:51:15 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AwY5K-0004XU-00 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:50:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:50:38 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software Message-ID: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.435, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net My wife is using Macromedia's Dreamweaver to develop websites (running under CrossOver). DW is GUI, and allows for previewing sites before committing changes, and "templates", where parts of webpages are preset and can simply be included sort of like macros. The result is purely static HTML pages. DW is just a GUI aid to creating them. I'd really really like to find something under straight Linux that does a similar thing, so as to wean her off this. Anyone know of anything like this? (Zope and content management systems are _not_ the same as Dreamweaver, so those aren't valid alternatives.) Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 26 21:55:32 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R2tW34001735 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:55:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1R2tWpg001734 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:55:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R2tV34001730 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:55:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R2tVSP031131 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:55:31 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1R2t57j014281 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:55:06 -0500 Received: from blackgold (6535219hfc162.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.219.162]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i1R2t3DJ019076 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:55:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001f01c3fcdd$789e0620$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> From: "bpreece1" To: References: <403E945F.1050302@roblimo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Test Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:57:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" To: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: [SLUG] Test > Test Ah not another Test? I have not had time to study and my dog ate my homework ...... Oh wait I'm not in school any more ...whew j/k . > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 26 22:00:53 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R30q34001792 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:00:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1R30qJD001791 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:00:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R30q34001787 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:00:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R30pSP031326 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:00:51 -0500 Received: from imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.67]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1R30Y7j015035 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:00:34 -0500 Received: from opus ([68.18.54.39]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040227030034.XYHR1898.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@opus> for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:00:34 -0500 From: "Patrick Grantham" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Test Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:00:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c3fcdd$d9968c40$6502a8c0@opus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001f01c3fcdd$789e0620$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.101, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ping. -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of bpreece1 Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:58 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Test ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" To: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: [SLUG] Test > Test Ah not another Test? I have not had time to study and my dog ate my homework ...... Oh wait I'm not in school any more ...whew j/k . > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 26 22:03:42 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R33g34001822 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:03:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1R33gm3001821 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:03:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R33f34001816 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:03:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R33fSP031385 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:03:41 -0500 Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1R33OG8019199 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:03:24 -0500 Received: from user-0c90kqp.cable.mindspring.com ([24.144.83.89] helo=elkenserver.net) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AwYHb-0007mo-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:03:23 -0800 Message-ID: <403EB41F.3080402@elkenserver.net> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:06:07 -0500 From: Joey Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software References: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, OACYS_SINGLE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net DW is the best but checkout bluefish -Joey Paul M Foster wrote: >My wife is using Macromedia's Dreamweaver to develop websites (running >under CrossOver). DW is GUI, and allows for previewing sites before >committing changes, and "templates", where parts of webpages are preset >and can simply be included sort of like macros. The result is purely >static HTML pages. DW is just a GUI aid to creating them. I'd really >really like to find something under straight Linux that does a similar >thing, so as to wean her off this. Anyone know of anything like this? >(Zope and content management systems are _not_ the same as Dreamweaver, >so those aren't valid alternatives.) > >Paul > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 26 22:05:38 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R35b34001847 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:05:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1R35Wxm001846 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:05:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R35V34001842 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:05:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R35VST031431 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:05:31 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1R354G8019338 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:05:04 -0500 Received: from 192.168.1.116 (653258hfc63.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.58.63]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1R351DJ026373 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:05:02 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:56:55 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402262156.55860.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 26 February 2004 9:50 pm, you wrote: > My wife is using Macromedia's Dreamweaver to develop websites (running > under CrossOver). DW is GUI, and allows for previewing sites before > committing changes, and "templates", where parts of webpages are preset > and can simply be included sort of like macros. The result is purely > static HTML pages. DW is just a GUI aid to creating them. I'd really > really like to find something under straight Linux that does a similar > thing, so as to wean her off this. Anyone know of anything like this? > (Zope and content management systems are _not_ the same as Dreamweaver, > so those aren't valid alternatives.) > > Paul Quanta http://quanta.sourceforge.net/ Closest. Uses Kate as the editor. Good syntax highlighting. Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 26 22:16:33 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R3GX34001937 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:16:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1R3GX2K001936 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:16:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R3GW34001932 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:16:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R3GWSP031803 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:16:32 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1R3GC7j016532 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:16:17 -0500 Received: from ericherrera.com (6532242hfc38.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.242.38]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1R3G882023999 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:16:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <403EB8DF.6050305@ericherrera.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:26:23 -0500 From: Eric Herrera User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030630 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software References: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, OACYS_SINGLE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yeah, good luck with that! I used to be a DW user, but now I use Quanta Plus. It is a nice editor but lacks wysiwyg editing(but their working on it). Bluefish is nice too. I keep seeing stuff about "IBM WebSphere Homepage Builder - WYSIWYG HTML editor for Linux." however I think thats BS(you have to use wine-i think) eric Paul M Foster wrote: > My wife is using Macromedia's Dreamweaver to develop websites (running > under CrossOver). DW is GUI, and allows for previewing sites before > committing changes, and "templates", where parts of webpages are preset > and can simply be included sort of like macros. The result is purely > static HTML pages. DW is just a GUI aid to creating them. I'd really > really like to find something under straight Linux that does a similar > thing, so as to wean her off this. Anyone know of anything like this? > (Zope and content management systems are _not_ the same as Dreamweaver, > so those aren't valid alternatives.) > > Paul > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 26 23:36:19 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R4aJ34002548 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:36:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1R4aJSk002547 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:36:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R4aI34002543 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:36:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R4aISP001836 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:36:18 -0500 Received: from virt14o.secure-wi.com (virt14o.secure-wi.com [209.216.203.4]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1R4Zr7j024203 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:35:54 -0500 Received: from sanctuaryweb.org (2416459hfc41.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.59.41]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by virt14o.secure-wi.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i1R4ZrB12257 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:35:53 -0800 Message-ID: <403EC91D.6040003@sanctuaryweb.org> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:35:41 -0500 From: Steven Buehler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031208 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Test References: <403E945F.1050302@roblimo.com> <001f01c3fcdd$789e0620$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <001f01c3fcdd$789e0620$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010102090405070406070908" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.001, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, OACYS_SINGLE 0.10, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010102090405070406070908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Theology student's favorite verse: Ecclesiastes 12:12 -- "Be admonished of this, my son: the making of many books wearies the body, and much study is a weariness of the flesh." SWB bpreece1 wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 7:50 PM >Subject: [SLUG] Test > > > > >>Test >> >> > >Ah not another Test? I have not had time to study and my dog ate my homework >...... > >Oh wait I'm not in school any more ...whew j/k >. > > > >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >>posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >>official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. >> >> > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 00:00:12 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R50B34002740 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:00:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1R50B3u002739 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:00:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R50A34002735 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:00:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R509SP002549 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:00:09 -0500 Received: from lion.glypto.com (lion.glypto.com [209.120.224.16]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1R4xl7j026297 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:59:47 -0500 Received: from [24.161.255.104] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by lion.glypto.com with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.24) id 1Awa67-0006og-H5 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:59:39 -0600 From: Kevin Poorman To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Test Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:02:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <403E945F.1050302@roblimo.com> <001f01c3fcdd$789e0620$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> <403EC91D.6040003@sanctuaryweb.org> In-Reply-To: <403EC91D.6040003@sanctuaryweb.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402270002.57666.asympoticessence@yahoo.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - lion.glypto.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.2, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 0.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Actually, as a theology student, I must protest! Our favorite verse is "This too shall pass." We love it because regardless of the situation, it's always true. Just bomb a test! this too shall pass. Just consummated your marriage? This too shall pass. -Pkj On Thursday 26 February 2004 23:35, Steven Buehler wrote: > Theology student's favorite verse: Ecclesiastes 12:12 -- "Be admonished > of this, my son: the making of many books wearies the body, and much > study is a weariness of the flesh." > > SWB > > bpreece1 wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 7:50 PM > >Subject: [SLUG] Test > > > >>Test > > > >Ah not another Test? I have not had time to study and my dog ate my > > homework ...... > > > >Oh wait I'm not in school any more ...whew j/k > >. > > > >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 00:31:12 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R5V634002985 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:31:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1R5Ut8i002984 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:30:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R5Us34002980 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:30:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1R5UsSP003868 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:30:54 -0500 Received: from rs6.luxsci.com (rs6.luxsci.com [65.61.162.184]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1R5UfG8002092 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:30:42 -0500 Received: from rs6.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs6.luxsci.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i1R5UWou030513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:30:36 -0600 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs6.luxsci.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i1R5UEiA030269; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 05:30:14 GMT Message-Id: <200402270530.i1R5UEiA030269@rs6.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 05:30:14 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Test Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:28:26 -0500 References: <403E945F.1050302@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: <403E945F.1050302@roblimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1077859814-5726807.36508196 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 26 February 2004 7:50 pm, you wrote: > Test how can you say such a thing? that is totally baseless. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 06:16:26 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RBGP34005698 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:16:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RBGPIH005697 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:16:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RBGO34005693 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:16:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RBGOSP016842 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:16:24 -0500 Received: from blackadder.aqhostdns.com (blackadder.aqhostdns.com [63.247.129.138]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1RBFu7j007746 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:15:56 -0500 Received: from wbar11.tampa1-4-4-135-144.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.4.135.144] helo=roblimo.com) by blackadder.aqhostdns.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AwfyC-0008AH-0A for slug@nks.net; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:15:52 -0500 Message-ID: <403F26E6.9000404@roblimo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:15:50 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040122 Debian/1.5-3 StumbleUpon/1.902 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software References: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> <403EB8DF.6050305@ericherrera.com> In-Reply-To: <403EB8DF.6050305@ericherrera.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - blackadder.aqhostdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.435, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I keep seeing stuff about "IBM WebSphere Homepage Builder - WYSIWYG HTML > editor for Linux." however I think thats BS(you have to use wine-i think) I've tried Homepage builder and found the Linux version disappointing. Note that you don't hear people raving about the Windows version, either. I tend to use Mozilla Composer for "whap it out" pages, and Bluefish for anything I want to hand code. I hear the version of Quanta in KDE 3.2 is nice, but haven't tried it or had it reviewed yet. - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 06:24:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RBO434005763 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:24:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RBO4WD005762 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:24:04 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RBNw34005754 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:23:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RBNqSd017028 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:23:53 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1RBNB7j008416 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:23:12 -0500 Received: from jwc4em839wseof (76-117.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.117.76]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i1RBN883003238 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:23:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003001c3fd24$66a22c20$6501a8c0@jwc4em839wseof> From: "Jim Cook" To: References: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:25:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, OACYS_SINGLE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul M Foster" To: "SLUG List" Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:50 PM Subject: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software > My wife is using Macromedia's Dreamweaver to develop websites (running > under CrossOver). > Paul > Paul, Dreamweaver is the best, but look at nvu.com it is still beta, but is suppose to work under linux and windows. 2 seperate versions. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 06:54:40 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RBse34006010 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:54:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RBsZTk006009 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:54:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RBsT34006005 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:54:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RBsTSP018003 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:54:29 -0500 Received: from mail.auctionsolutions.com ([129.41.33.250]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1RBsIG8015166 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:54:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 7321 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 11:54:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO auctionsolutions.com) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 11:54:07 -0000 Message-ID: <403F2FE2.1000207@auctionsolutions.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:54:10 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] network profiles References: <200402262143.29861.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200402262143.29861.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Russ Wright wrote: >Hello Sluggers > >I have SUSE Linux Pro 9.0 > >I would like to configure my laptop so I can have multiple configurations for >my internal nic card. For example my home network uses DHCP and is pretty >vanilla and is currently configured at eth0. This office assigned me a >static IP address and supplied me with the IP address for gateway and DNS. > >I need to be able to create a network profile that has all the setting for >work and one for my home network settings. So two configurations pointing >at the same network device that I can select based on if I am home or at the >office. > >Any idea how I create this? > >Can I set it up so on boot I can choose a profile? > > You could configure eth0:1 (a virtual interface) with your static IP and route before your dhcp client runs. If the dhcp client successfully gets an address, it should clobber your default route (and resolv.conf). If the dhcp client fails to get an address, then you are already set-up to use eth0:1. The only problem that comes to mind is if you use the same private address range at home and at work (e.g. 192.168.x.x) then you might have routing trouble between the two interfaces (in that case, just write a python script that checks for the eth0 IP to be 0.0.0.0 and if so, call 'ifconfig eth0:1 down'). --ronan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 08:34:20 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RDXD34006704 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:33:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RDWVpo006703 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:32:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RDV934006691 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:31:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.ssn.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [206.154.202.2]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RDUVSV020594 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:30:43 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-10.ssn.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1RDULLI013336 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:30:21 -0500 Received: from 192.168.1.116 (653258hfc63.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.58.63]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1RDTlVs021755; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:29:47 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net, Ronan Heffernan Subject: Re: [SLUG] network profiles Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:20:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <200402262143.29861.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> <403F2FE2.1000207@auctionsolutions.com> In-Reply-To: <403F2FE2.1000207@auctionsolutions.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402270820.14598.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 27 February 2004 6:54 am, Ronan Heffernan wrote: > > You could configure eth0:1 (a virtual interface) with your static IP and > route before your dhcp client runs. If the dhcp client successfully gets > an address, it should clobber your default route (and resolv.conf). If > the dhcp client fails to get an address, then you are already set-up to > use eth0:1. The only problem that comes to mind is if you use the same > private address range at home and at work (e.g. 192.168.x.x) then you > might have routing trouble between the two interfaces (in that case, > just write a python script that checks for the eth0 IP to be 0.0.0.0 and > if so, call 'ifconfig eth0:1 down'). > > --ronan Sounds good now how do I do this? What files do I edit? How do I create a eth0:1? Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 11:12:11 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RGBL34007753 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:11:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RGAdmR007751 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:10:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RG9c34007725 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:09:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.ssn.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [206.154.202.2]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RG94SV025871 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:09:07 -0500 Received: from vandemar.local ([208.26.45.251]) by nks-ma-10.ssn.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1RFVmLI025600 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:31:49 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vandemar.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0FE16824D for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:30:46 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) In-Reply-To: <200402270002.57666.asympoticessence@yahoo.com> References: <403E945F.1050302@roblimo.com> <001f01c3fcdd$789e0620$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> <403EC91D.6040003@sanctuaryweb.org> <200402270002.57666.asympoticessence@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Derek Glidden Subject: Re: [SLUG] Test Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:30:45 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Feb 27, 2004, at 12:02 AM, Kevin Poorman wrote: > Actually, as a theology student, I must protest! > > Our favorite verse is "This too shall pass." We love it because > regardless of > the situation, it's always true. Just bomb a test! this too shall > pass. Just > consummated your marriage? This too shall pass. "Just ate a big meal"? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "We all enter this world in the | Support Electronic Freedom same way: naked; screaming; soaked | http://www.eff.org/ in blood. But if you live your | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ life right, that kind of thing |--------------------------- doesn't have to stop there." -- Dana Gould ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 11:13:11 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RGDB34007772 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:13:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RGDBNG007771 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:13:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RGDA34007767 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:13:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.ssn.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [206.154.202.2]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RGCNSh025986 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:13:10 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-10.ssn.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1RFXILI025818 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:33:19 -0500 Received: from test01 (rrcs-se-24-173-149-166.biz.rr.com [24.173.149.166]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i1RFWjuI017699 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:32:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00a301c3fd46$ea9865e0$3249490a@test01> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <20040223053147.GA29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> <20040223204348.GB29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> <20040226034330.GC29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> <1077803006.8329.124.camel@dervish.lazyhobbit.org> <6956.129.41.55.200.1077809742.squirrel@bard.sytes.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] SSLUG Meeting Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:32:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I could do that. We would have been at the Sarasota, except for the pounding rain and a 100-mile roundtrip. We were there for the last one (Dec.) and had a great time. Dunedin is much closer. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Levi Bard" To: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:35 Subject: Re: [SLUG] SSLUG Meeting > >> And when are you folks up north going to get your act together and form > >> the DSLUG? (Dunedin Social Linux User's Group) I've been to the > >> Dunedin brewery, and am throughly impressed. > > > > Well, this is a fantastic idea. Anyone else out there interested in a > > jaunt to Dunedin for a sampling of the sauce and some geek speak ? > > I could go for a social meeting in Dunedin. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 11:31:25 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RGVJ34007931 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:31:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RGVJO4007930 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:31:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RGVI34007926 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:31:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RGVISR027851 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:31:18 -0500 Received: from mail.auctionsolutions.com ([129.41.33.250]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1RGVE7j004378 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:31:14 -0500 Received: (qmail 14877 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 16:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO auctionsolutions.com) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 16:31:02 -0000 Message-ID: <403F70C9.6040207@auctionsolutions.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:31:05 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] network profiles References: <200402262143.29861.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> <403F2FE2.1000207@auctionsolutions.com> <200402270820.14598.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200402270820.14598.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, OACYS_CONS_6 1.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Russ Wright wrote: >On Friday 27 February 2004 6:54 am, Ronan Heffernan wrote: > > >>You could configure eth0:1 (a virtual interface) with your static IP and >>route before your dhcp client runs. If the dhcp client successfully gets >>an address, it should clobber your default route (and resolv.conf). If >>the dhcp client fails to get an address, then you are already set-up to >>use eth0:1. The only problem that comes to mind is if you use the same >>private address range at home and at work (e.g. 192.168.x.x) then you >>might have routing trouble between the two interfaces (in that case, >>just write a python script that checks for the eth0 IP to be 0.0.0.0 and >>if so, call 'ifconfig eth0:1 down'). >> >>--ronan >> >> > >Sounds good now how do I do this? What files do I edit? How do I create a >eth0:1? > > > ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.1.99 route add default eth0:1 Note that until you issue the "ifconfig eth0:1" command, doing "ifconfig -a" will not show such a device (it doesn't yet exist). You would probably put the above lines into an rc.something file, before the call to dhcpcd, dhclient, or pump (depending on which dhcp client you are using). --ronan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 11:41:40 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RGfd34008018 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:41:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RGfd0E008017 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:41:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RGfd34008011 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:41:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RGfXSR028223 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:41:33 -0500 Received: from younicks.org (242823hfc229.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.23.229]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1RGfKG8009058 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:41:25 -0500 Received: by younicks.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B60DA2FD05; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:41:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:41:18 -0500 From: Matt Moen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] network profiles Message-ID: <20040227164118.GE29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> References: <200402262143.29861.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200402262143.29861.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-message-flag: Outlook? Viral infections & bugs for the foreseable future. X-Fortune: Kindness is a language which the deaf can hear and the blind can read. -- Mark Twain X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net And just for The Logan's sake, my reply is on the bottom... > Hello Sluggers > > I have SUSE Linux Pro 9.0 > > I would like to configure my laptop so I can have multiple configurations for > my internal nic card. For example my home network uses DHCP and is pretty > vanilla and is currently configured at eth0. This office assigned me a > static IP address and supplied me with the IP address for gateway and DNS. > > I need to be able to create a network profile that has all the setting for > work and one for my home network settings. So two configurations pointing > at the same network device that I can select based on if I am home or at the > office. > > Any idea how I create this? > > Can I set it up so on boot I can choose a profile? I know for a fact that Debian has some sort of nifty mechanism for dealing with this sort of situation, but there may be an easier solution. Can you convince the folks at work to configure their DHCP server to hand your laptop's MAC address a certain IP, thus making your laptop's IP "static", while still using a normal DHCP configuration. If their DHCP server can't handle such basic functionality that's been with ISC's dhcpd for years, then kindly suggest the possibility of switching to dhcpd. Last I heard, though, even MS's dhcp server can do this at this point. Or you could just write yourself a script that you run manually that turns off the dhcp client daemon on your laptop and manually applies ifconfig and route commands and replaces your /etc/resolv.conf file with the appropriate settings. The DHCP server solution is certainly easier than this. Hope this helps slightly, Matt Moen -- Matthew Moen Microsoft Exchange: Incontrovertible proof that sometimes you /should/ shoot the messenger. The following disclaimer is provided courtesy of, and willy-nilly by, NKS: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 12:23:34 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RHNY34008310 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:23:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RHNTM8008309 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:23:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RHNN34008305 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:23:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RHNMSR029804 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:23:23 -0500 Received: from mail12.atl.registeredsite.com (mail12.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.86]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1RHN07j010501 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:23:04 -0500 Received: from stewartsigns.com (capricornus.hosting4u.net [209.35.191.104]) by mail12.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1RHMxmD007915 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:22:59 -0500 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:22:59 -0600 From: "mrock" To: Subject: [SLUG] win 98 and cups on rh8.0 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:23:34 -0500 Message-ID: <006101c3fd56$6df78a60$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <403F70C9.6040207@auctionsolutions.com> X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.804, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90, OACYS_SINGLE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have asked this before a while back and since there seems to be some new 'blood' coursing these electronic veins I will ask again. I have two win98 laptops that need to be able to print to our network printers. I have all printers configured with cups running on our RH 8.0 box. When ever I try to install a Lexmark printer( Lexmark is all we have) on these laptops I get to a point where I get a message that says the printer is offline and then the installation will continue and look like a good install except that is always offline. The computer will hang if you try to print to the printer. Do I need to know something about installing a network printer on win98 using cups on RH 8.0??? I have looked everywhere for some instructions with our any success. Michael C Rock ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 13:56:49 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RIuh34008979 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:56:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RIuSDk008978 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:56:28 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RIuR34008974 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:56:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RIuRSR032677 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:56:27 -0500 Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1RItgG8023540 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:55:42 -0500 Received: from outbound29-sr.lax.untd.com (webmail12.lax.untd.com [10.130.30.152]) by smtpout04.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAD9EWZATK9KQA for (sender ); Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:55:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"eyWQ8kNuv/2AmhI+0gI0VmOOBhmgodfGnBjKj+GkKZygnmCOm8pWq8MHyoU6UVq1">; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:54:30 PST Received: (from backwardthinker@juno.com) by webmail12.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JPEUA5EL; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:54:30 PST Received: from [199.222.111.65] by webmail12.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:54:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.222.111.65] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Backward Thinker" Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:54:17 GMT To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] win 98 and cups on rh8.0 X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Backward Thinker Message-Id: <20040227.105430.11455.1964454@webmail12.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 6:3:1701065840 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.742, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FORGED_JUNO_RCVD 2.06, OACYS_SINGLE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net A few clarifications req'd... > I have two win98 laptops that need to be able to print to our network > printers. I have all printers configured with cups running on our RH > 8.0 box. > When ever I try to install a Lexmark printer( Lexmark is all we > have) on these laptops I get to a point where I get a message that > says the printer is offline and then the installation will continue > and look like a good install except that is always offline. > The computer will hang if you try to print to the printer. This is the w98 laptop that hangs? Your RH 8 box prints no problem? > Do I need to know something about installing a network printer on > win98 using cups on RH 8.0??? I have looked everywhere for some > instructions with our any success. Well, if you are trying to print through the redhat box there's a few things you need to make sure of. If you want to use "standard" smb for windows printing, you need to have samba configured and sharing printers to your two laptops. You also need to make sure your iptables config is not blocking ports 139 and 137 (137 for browsing) for your two laptops. Samba has a lot of power, and can support "Point 'n Print" etc stuff, if that is in your needs. If you are trying to go straight to the cups server "LPR" style, avoiding samba, you need to make sure you have an lpd listener to pass the job to your cups backend (check /etc/xinetd.conf), and again, iptables isn't blocking LPR traffic from your laptops and that cups will accept remote jobs. Or, you can bypass your print-server altogether and configure your laptop to send jobs directly to the network attached printer LPR-style, at the quasi expense of reliability. The preferred way for your win laptops is to configure samba on the RH 8 server with printer shares to accept print from your laptops and pass it to the print queue of your cups backend. Check out samba.org, or look at your RH config tools, pretty sure they'd have something of value for initial configuration of samba. Don't forget to open up your iptables config enough to let SMB or LPR traffic through from your laptops. After you get started and have problems with specific pieces, feel free to ask more specifically, but there's no point wasting time and getting offtrack or overly-specific about methods that may be outside your true goals. > Michael C Rock hope this is a good start, at least, ~ Daniel ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 13:58:16 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RIwG34008994 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:58:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RIwBtn008993 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:58:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RIvt34008985 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:57:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RIvXSR032710 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:57:50 -0500 Received: from dallas.utilpart.com (67.104.161.74.ptr.us.xo.net [67.104.161.74]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1RIv67j020145 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:57:08 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1NZWK85P>; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:55:05 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD442@dallas.utilpart.com> From: wchast@utilpart.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] win 98 and cups on rh8.0 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:55:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, OACYS_SINGLE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > -----Original Message----- > From: mrock [mailto:mrock@stewartsigns.com] > Sent: Friday, 27 February, 2004 12:24 > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] win 98 and cups on rh8.0 > > > I have asked this before a while back and since there seems to be some > new 'blood' coursing these electronic veins I will ask again. > > I have two win98 laptops that need to be able to print to our network > printers. I have all printers configured with cups running on our RH > 8.0 box. > > When ever I try to install a Lexmark printer( Lexmark is all we have) on > these laptops I get to a point where I get a message that says the > printer is offline and then the installation will continue and look like > a good install except that is always offline. > > The computer will hang if you try to print to the printer. > > > Do I need to know something about installing a network printer on win98 > using cups on RH 8.0??? I have looked everywhere for some instructions > with our any success. > > > Michael C Rock > > My printer hangs off of a Rh 8.0 box, but the printer is also associated through the SAMBA part. I think that may be the secret, I have to admit that I installed it and it ran so I did not have to dig into it. That is the problem when things work too well you really are not forced to do any OJT. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 15:02:58 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RK2v34009466 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:02:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RK2vl7009465 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:02:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RK2v34009461 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:02:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RK2uSP002301 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:02:56 -0500 Received: from mail4.atl.registeredsite.com (mail4.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.78]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1RK2eG8030468 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:02:40 -0500 Received: from stewartsigns.com (capricornus.hosting4u.net [209.35.191.104]) by mail4.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1RL2WS4016642 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:02:32 -0500 Received: from d94zb121 ([192.216.210.79]) by stewartsigns.com ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:02:38 -0600 From: "mrock" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] win 98 and cups on rh8.0 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:03:10 -0500 Message-ID: <007901c3fd6c$b98cbed0$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040227.105430.11455.1964454@webmail12.lax.untd.com> X-Rcpt-To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, OACYS_SINGLE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net To be more specific: My Lexmark Optra S 1855 printers are on the network and are Samba printers. They are identified in Cups and can be seen when attempting the win98 printer install. I have downloaded new drivers as well. I have a multitude of desktop NT and W2K boxes printing to these printers via the same route( samba, network). For some reason the win98 boxes just will not comply with what I consider very ordinary instructions. One of my win98 boxes is a workstation and I am having the same problems with that one, so the problem is not limited to the 'laptop' issue. I get the same errors from the desktop computer. For some darn reason it says it is not available to be used.??? Is there a caveat in smb.conf that I am missing that covers the win98 OS? Or is there the same caveat in the cups conf file for win98?? Michael C. Rock -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Backward Thinker Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:54 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] win 98 and cups on rh8.0 A few clarifications req'd... > I have two win98 laptops that need to be able to print to our network > printers. I have all printers configured with cups running on our RH > 8.0 box. > When ever I try to install a Lexmark printer( Lexmark is all we > have) on these laptops I get to a point where I get a message that > says the printer is offline and then the installation will continue > and look like a good install except that is always offline. > The computer will hang if you try to print to the printer. This is the w98 laptop that hangs? Your RH 8 box prints no problem? > Do I need to know something about installing a network printer on > win98 using cups on RH 8.0??? I have looked everywhere for some > instructions with our any success. Well, if you are trying to print through the redhat box there's a few things you need to make sure of. If you want to use "standard" smb for windows printing, you need to have samba configured and sharing printers to your two laptops. You also need to make sure your iptables config is not blocking ports 139 and 137 (137 for browsing) for your two laptops. Samba has a lot of power, and can support "Point 'n Print" etc stuff, if that is in your needs. If you are trying to go straight to the cups server "LPR" style, avoiding samba, you need to make sure you have an lpd listener to pass the job to your cups backend (check /etc/xinetd.conf), and again, iptables isn't blocking LPR traffic from your laptops and that cups will accept remote jobs. Or, you can bypass your print-server altogether and configure your laptop to send jobs directly to the network attached printer LPR-style, at the quasi expense of reliability. The preferred way for your win laptops is to configure samba on the RH 8 server with printer shares to accept print from your laptops and pass it to the print queue of your cups backend. Check out samba.org, or look at your RH config tools, pretty sure they'd have something of value for initial configuration of samba. Don't forget to open up your iptables config enough to let SMB or LPR traffic through from your laptops. After you get started and have problems with specific pieces, feel free to ask more specifically, but there's no point wasting time and getting offtrack or overly-specific about methods that may be outside your true goals. > Michael C Rock hope this is a good start, at least, ~ Daniel ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 15:47:23 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RKlH34009827 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:47:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RKlHQA009826 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:47:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RKlG34009822 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:47:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RKlGSP003670 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:47:16 -0500 Received: from mail.auctionsolutions.com ([129.41.33.250]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1RKl17j031336 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:47:01 -0500 Received: (qmail 24006 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2004 20:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO auctionsolutions.com) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 27 Feb 2004 20:46:57 -0000 Message-ID: <403FACC1.1030800@auctionsolutions.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:46:57 -0500 From: Ronan Heffernan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] win 98 and cups on rh8.0 References: <007901c3fd6c$b98cbed0$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> In-Reply-To: <007901c3fd6c$b98cbed0$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net mrock wrote: >Don't forget to open up your iptables config enough to let SMB or LPR >traffic through from your laptops. After you get started and have >problems with specific pieces, feel free to ask more specifically, but >there's no point wasting time and getting offtrack or overly-specific >about methods that may be outside your true goals. > > If you read Eric S. Raymond's rant about CUPS from a few days ago (at least that is when it appeared on Slashdot), there are some 'tricks'. One that comes to mind is that the RedHat server must have a setting to allow remote access to its printers? I think that this was buried in the CUPS HOWTO, but Eric highlighted it (as he expressed how unlikely it was that a fictional grandmother would be able to use the CUPS GUI configurator). It is worth a look. --ronan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 17:44:28 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RMiR34010727 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:44:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RMiRtt010726 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:44:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RMiR34010722 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:44:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RMiQSP007968 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:44:26 -0500 Received: from dallas.utilpart.com (67.104.161.74.ptr.us.xo.net [67.104.161.74]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1RMiIG8016038 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:44:19 -0500 Received: by dallas.utilpart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1NZWLBJL>; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:42:21 -0500 Message-ID: <0D7B0EF78F72D311B95F0008C7F3D0A0023AD443@dallas.utilpart.com> From: wchast@utilpart.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] win 98 and cups on rh8.0 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:42:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.328, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43, OACYS_SINGLE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Are you setting up the MS print stuff when you install the win98 boxes? I seem to recall that I had to go in and make sure that was turned on (It was off and would not print on the printer until I went in and turned it on. Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." > -----Original Message----- > From: mrock [mailto:mrock@stewartsigns.com] > Sent: Friday, 27 February, 2004 15:03 > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: RE: [SLUG] win 98 and cups on rh8.0 > > To be more specific: > > My Lexmark Optra S 1855 printers are on the network and are Samba > printers. > They are identified in Cups and can be seen when attempting the win98 > printer install. I have downloaded new drivers as well. > > I have a multitude of desktop NT and W2K boxes printing to these > printers via the same route( samba, network). > > For some reason the win98 boxes just will not comply with what I > consider very ordinary instructions. One of my win98 boxes is a > workstation and I am having the same problems with that one, so the > problem is not limited to the 'laptop' issue. I get the same errors > from the desktop computer. > > For some darn reason it says it is not available to be used.??? > Is there a caveat in smb.conf that I am missing that covers the win98 > OS? Or is there the same caveat in the cups conf file for win98?? > > > > Michael C. Rock > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Backward Thinker > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:54 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] win 98 and cups on rh8.0 > > > A few clarifications req'd... > > > I have two win98 laptops that need to be able to print to our network > > printers. I have all printers configured with cups running on our RH > > 8.0 box. > > > When ever I try to install a Lexmark printer( Lexmark is all we > > have) on these laptops I get to a point where I get a message that > > says the printer is offline and then the installation will continue > > and look like a good install except that is always offline. > > > The computer will hang if you try to print to the printer. > > This is the w98 laptop that hangs? Your RH 8 box prints no problem? > > > Do I need to know something about installing a network printer on > > win98 using cups on RH 8.0??? I have looked everywhere for some > > instructions with our any success. > > Well, if you are trying to print through the redhat box there's a few > things you need to make sure of. If you want to use "standard" smb for > windows printing, you need to have samba configured and sharing printers > to your two laptops. You also need to make sure your iptables config is > not blocking ports 139 and 137 (137 for browsing) for your two laptops. > Samba has a lot of power, and can support "Point 'n Print" etc stuff, if > that is in your needs. > > If you are trying to go straight to the cups server "LPR" style, > avoiding samba, you need to make sure you have an lpd listener to pass > the job to your cups backend (check /etc/xinetd.conf), and again, > iptables isn't blocking LPR traffic from your laptops and that cups will > accept remote jobs. Or, you can bypass your print-server altogether and > configure your laptop to send jobs directly to the network attached > printer LPR-style, at the quasi expense of reliability. > > The preferred way for your win laptops is to configure samba on the RH 8 > server with printer shares to accept print from your laptops and pass it > to the print queue of your cups backend. Check out samba.org, or look > at your RH config tools, pretty sure they'd have something of value for > initial configuration of samba. > > Don't forget to open up your iptables config enough to let SMB or LPR > traffic through from your laptops. After you get started and have > problems with specific pieces, feel free to ask more specifically, but > there's no point wasting time and getting offtrack or overly-specific > about methods that may be outside your true goals. > > > Michael C Rock > > hope this is a good start, at least, > ~ Daniel > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 18:10:59 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RNAx34010932 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:10:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RNAx7P010931 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:10:59 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RNAw34010927 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:10:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RNAwSP008839 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:10:58 -0500 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1RNAMG8018836 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:10:22 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955933pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.113]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2004022723102201100n098ue>; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:10:22 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Awr5L-00087R-00 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:07:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] network profiles From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200402262143.29861.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> References: <200402262143.29861.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-wvBw+1K2sHL/w3HDWmmT" Message-Id: <1077923278.5589.21.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:07:59 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.101, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FVGT_u_HAS_2LETTERFLDR 0.10, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-wvBw+1K2sHL/w3HDWmmT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 21:43, Russ Wright wrote: > Hello Sluggers >=20 > I have SUSE Linux Pro 9.0 >=20 > I would like to configure my laptop so I can have multiple configurations= for=20 > my internal nic card.=20 I believe this is well documented. You might try: http://sdb.suse.de/sdb/en/html/PCMCIA_SCHEMES_SUSE_8.html The Logan --=20 18:05:01 up 6 days, 12:36, 4 users, load average: 0.47, 0.33, 0.29 Its not rocket surgery. -- Eggo Commercial Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-wvBw+1K2sHL/w3HDWmmT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAP83O3OecGqSbkyMRAudxAKCbWDuw1sYtcOpbzhkczthFf9Y5cwCg5YHL jBTTMuSEshvUehw9oPWXoOg= =ILAF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-wvBw+1K2sHL/w3HDWmmT-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 18:16:26 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RNGP34010975 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:16:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RNGPHm010974 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:16:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RNGP34010970 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:16:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RNGOSP009020 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:16:24 -0500 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1RNGG7j015950 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:16:17 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955933pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.113]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2004022723161601200h0cgre>; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:16:16 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AwrB3-00088V-00 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:13:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] network profiles From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <20040227164118.GE29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> References: <200402262143.29861.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> <20040227164118.GE29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-9d3CNCR1wPH39ZoXbt+1" Message-Id: <1077923632.5589.24.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:13:53 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.175, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-9d3CNCR1wPH39ZoXbt+1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 11:41, Matt Moen wrote: > And just for The Logan's sake, my reply is on the bottom... >=20 I believe you want to read number 6! ;-) http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php The Logan A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 18:26:21 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RNQL34011075 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:26:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RNQLA0011074 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:26:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RNQF34011070 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:26:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RNQFSP009384 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:26:15 -0500 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1RNQ17j017012 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:26:01 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955933pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <200402272326000150045ttme>; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:26:00 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AwrKS-0008AC-00 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:23:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Test From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: References: <403E945F.1050302@roblimo.com> <001f01c3fcdd$789e0620$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> <403EC91D.6040003@sanctuaryweb.org> <200402270002.57666.asympoticessence@yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-c3pwMxWLSd4fV8j2y8wd" Message-Id: <1077924216.5589.26.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:23:36 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.175, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-c3pwMxWLSd4fV8j2y8wd Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 10:30, Derek Glidden wrote: > On Feb 27, 2004, at 12:02 AM, Kevin Poorman wrote: >=20 > > Actually, as a theology student, I must protest! > > > > Our favorite verse is "This too shall pass." We love it because=20 > > regardless of > > the situation, it's always true. Just bomb a test! this too shall=20 > > pass. Just > > consummated your marriage? This too shall pass. >=20 > "Just ate a big meal"? and a bran muffin... --=20 18:20:01 up 6 days, 12:51, 5 users, load average: 0.01, 0.14, 0.21 "Nadie sabe lo que tiene hasta que lo pierde." -- Sami y Sandra Sandoval Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-c3pwMxWLSd4fV8j2y8wd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAP9F43OecGqSbkyMRAhjgAJ0Qsc7wd5vIUHZfRPGQtqMscZonpgCg2ftN j5NUuTq3GuspLoJI1jCk1yQ= =csjl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-c3pwMxWLSd4fV8j2y8wd-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 18:42:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RNgl34011206 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:42:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1RNglHl011205 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:42:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RNgk34011201 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:42:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1RNgkSP009909 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:42:46 -0500 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1RNgW7j018653 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:42:33 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955933pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.113]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2004022723423201200hdjeae>; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:42:32 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AwraT-0008Cf-00 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:40:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <003001c3fd24$66a22c20$6501a8c0@jwc4em839wseof> References: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> <003001c3fd24$66a22c20$6501a8c0@jwc4em839wseof> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-9mZuVX0AtKy9FWq2tLvH" Message-Id: <1077925209.6098.43.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:40:09 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.275, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52, OACYS_SINGLE 0.10, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-9mZuVX0AtKy9FWq2tLvH Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 06:25, Jim Cook wrote: > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Paul M Foster" > To: "SLUG List" > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:50 PM > Subject: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software >=20 >=20 > > My wife is using Macromedia's Dreamweaver to develop websites (running > > under CrossOver). > > Paul > > > Paul, Dreamweaver is the best, but look at nvu.com it is still bet= a, > but > is suppose to work under linux and windows. 2 seperate versions. I read this post, this morning, and it piqued my curiousity. I downloaded and installed nvu on my box at work. I am the sysadmin (bofh) surrounded by a multitude of "web developers" who love the speed of our Linux servers, but are hesitant to use Linux on the desktop as there was no "Dreamweaver." As I have never used Dreamweaver and tend to use vi for writing php when I do any editing, (I write the thinking parts/functions and they write the "Ohhh, preeeety," stuff) I use Bluefish to display the code on my desktop when the "web developers" are perplexed regarding any particular function; they enjoy the line numbers and different colors similiar to Dreamweaver. As I mentioned before, I installed nvu and showed it to the "web developers" and they appeared to be impressed. The only negatives they had to mention were the lack of some the proprietary plugins they had purchased. Enough of my incessant rambling, The Logan --=20 18:20:01 up 6 days, 12:51, 5 users, load average: 0.01, 0.14, 0.21 "Nadie sabe lo que tiene hasta que lo pierde." -- Sami y Sandra Sandoval Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-9mZuVX0AtKy9FWq2tLvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAP9VY3OecGqSbkyMRAuiDAJoCksW5pJRkL9l947DzIUQ0saQFSQCgwvJo MBMZ5aY0hbx0344pU2Uqx3o= =mDtA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-9mZuVX0AtKy9FWq2tLvH-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 22:06:30 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1S36T34012707 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:06:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1S36T1U012706 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:06:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1S36S34012702 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:06:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1S36SSP016293 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:06:28 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1S36G7j005983 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:06:17 -0500 Received: (qmail 28781 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 03:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 03:06:16 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:06:15 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> <403EB8DF.6050305@ericherrera.com> <403F26E6.9000404@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: <403F26E6.9000404@roblimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402272206.15919.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 27 February 2004 06:15 am, you wrote: > I hear the version of Quanta in KDE 3.2 is nice, but haven't tried it or > had it reviewed yet. > > - Robin IIRC, I took at look at Quanta Gold about a year or so ago. It's not freeware (but then, neither is DW), but it's pretty darned nice. Lots of things to go clicky-clicky on. Don't recall if it was wysiwyg or just had an easy tie in to a browser for previewing ... the latter, I think. Another potential candidate is CoffeeCup for Linux. Also, something I used briefly during a trial period, thought well of but had just begun looking around so I didn't settle on it. I liked it pretty good when I was a Windows user. Bill -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 22:02:00 up 52 days, 22:44, 5 users, load average: 0.29, 0.29, 0.27 21:59:00 up 54 days, 2:11, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 22:15:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1S3FE34012787 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:15:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1S3FE5B012786 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:15:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1S3FE34012782 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:15:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1S3FDSP016549 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:15:13 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1S3F8G8010301 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:15:08 -0500 Received: (qmail 29645 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 03:15:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 03:15:07 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:15:07 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> <003001c3fd24$66a22c20$6501a8c0@jwc4em839wseof> In-Reply-To: <003001c3fd24$66a22c20$6501a8c0@jwc4em839wseof> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402272215.07053.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, OACYS_SINGLE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 27 February 2004 06:25 am, you wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul M Foster" > To: "SLUG List" > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:50 PM > Subject: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software > > > My wife is using Macromedia's Dreamweaver to develop websites (running > > under CrossOver). > > Paul > > Paul, Dreamweaver is the best, but look at nvu.com it is still beta, > but > is suppose to work under linux and windows. 2 seperate versions. > Interesting ... apparently put together by Lindows. I downloaded it and will be giving it a trial pdq (prolly this weekend). After all the negatives I've heard about Lindows, I'm curious to see how nvu performs. Bill -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 22:12:00 up 52 days, 22:54, 5 users, load average: 0.48, 0.48, 0.36 22:09:00 up 54 days, 2:21, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 22:18:25 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1S3IO34012816 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:18:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1S3IOSj012815 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:18:24 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1S3IO34012811 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:18:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1S3INSP016640 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:18:23 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1S3IAG8010600 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:18:10 -0500 Received: (qmail 29955 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 03:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 03:18:09 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] win 98 and cups on rh8.0 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:18:09 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <006101c3fd56$6df78a60$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> In-Reply-To: <006101c3fd56$6df78a60$1f97a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402272218.09480.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 27 February 2004 12:23 pm, you wrote: > I have asked this before a while back and since there seems to be some > new 'blood' coursing these electronic veins I will ask again. > > I have two win98 laptops that need to be able to print to our network > printers. I have all printers configured with cups running on our RH > 8.0 box. IIRC, I had pretty much the same problem. Also, IIRC, a cold boot of the Windows system resolved it. Months ago and no notes ... Bill -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 22:16:01 up 52 days, 22:58, 5 users, load average: 0.31, 0.40, 0.36 22:13:00 up 54 days, 2:25, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 27 22:48:22 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1S3mM34013056 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:48:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1S3mMKU013055 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:48:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1S3mL34013051 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:48:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1S3mLSP017595 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:48:21 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1S3m57j009899 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:48:05 -0500 Received: from 192.168.2.160 (24285hfc156.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.156]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1S3m3uI010158 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:48:03 -0500 (EST) From: "R.G. Mayhue" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:47:54 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> <403F26E6.9000404@roblimo.com> <200402272206.15919.bill13510@wwnet.net> In-Reply-To: <200402272206.15919.bill13510@wwnet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402272247.55188.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.524, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 27 February 2004 10:06 pm, Bill Canaday wrote: > On Friday 27 February 2004 06:15 am, you wrote: > > I hear the version of Quanta in KDE 3.2 is nice, but haven't tried it or > > had it reviewed yet. > > > > - Robin > > IIRC, I took at look at Quanta Gold about a year or so ago. It's not > freeware (but then, neither is DW), but it's pretty darned nice. Lots of > things to go clicky-clicky on. > > Don't recall if it was wysiwyg or just had an easy tie in to a browser for > previewing ... the latter, I think. > > Another potential candidate is CoffeeCup for Linux. Also, something I used > briefly during a trial period, thought well of but had just begun looking > around so I didn't settle on it. I liked it pretty good when I was a > Windows user. > > Bill Quanta Plus (GPL) != Quanta Gold (NON-GPL) -- Rob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 28 04:56:19 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1S9uJ34015993 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 04:56:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1S9uJKs015992 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 04:56:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1S9uD34015988 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 04:56:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1S9u9ST031202 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 04:56:13 -0500 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1S9t77j021880 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 04:55:07 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955933pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <200402280954590150045prme>; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 09:54:59 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ax198-0001xq-00 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 04:52:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] network profiles From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1077923278.5589.21.camel@sirus> References: <200402262143.29861.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> <1077923278.5589.21.camel@sirus> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-iP1lYDrwI/gOqMqqbMys" Message-Id: <1077961953.5589.48.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 04:52:34 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.101, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FVGT_u_HAS_2LETTERFLDR 0.10, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-iP1lYDrwI/gOqMqqbMys Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 18:07, Logan Tygart wrote: > On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 21:43, Russ Wright wrote: > > Hello Sluggers > >=20 > > I have SUSE Linux Pro 9.0 > >=20 > > I would like to configure my laptop so I can have multiple configuratio= ns for=20 > > my internal nic card.=20 >=20 > >=20 > I believe this is well documented. You might try: > http://sdb.suse.de/sdb/en/html/PCMCIA_SCHEMES_SUSE_8.html Doh, while drinking my coffee, I now notice the word "internal", nevermind! The Logan --=20 04:50:01 up 6 days, 23:21, 3 users, load average: 0.09, 0.61, 0.85 When you look up redundant in the dictionary it says, "see redundant". -- M= att Miller, SLUG List Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-iP1lYDrwI/gOqMqqbMys Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAQGTh3OecGqSbkyMRAmxWAKCcn+3pf0kcyMU9WKdc8rkN3hwZXACgg7CQ C10a/VjXojPMQQgZUDKdXr0= =XGcR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-iP1lYDrwI/gOqMqqbMys-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 28 08:16:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SDGD34017472 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:16:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1SDG7f3017471 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:16:07 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SDG734017467 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:16:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SDG6SP005239 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:16:06 -0500 Received: from out008.verizon.net (out008pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.108]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1SDG17j009984 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:16:01 -0500 Received: from Arthur.Joe-Di.net ([4.65.194.211]) by out008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040228131601.UFKQ10003.out008.verizon.net@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:16:01 -0600 Subject: Re: [SLUG] network profiles From: Joe Brandt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200402262143.29861.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> References: <200402262143.29861.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1077956030.24253.2.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4-8mdk Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:13:50 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [4.65.194.211] at Sat, 28 Feb 2004 07:16:00 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.314, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.42, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I think that the easiest way would be for you to reconfigure your home network to which your laptop settings remain the same (assuming your business IP address is in one of the private network ranges) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 28 11:45:11 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SGjB34019078 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:45:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1SGjAQC019077 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:45:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SGjA34019073 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:45:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SGj9SP011326 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:45:09 -0500 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1SGj57j029111 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:45:05 -0500 Received: from MARS (119-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.119]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C59EE881608 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:45:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete S." To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] network profiles Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:45:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1077956030.24253.2.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I agree with this method... using the same static IP at home that you use at work... this would require that you use the same IP scheme (192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 or other alternative). This will "up" the technical details, if you VPN into work. I would be curious if there is a way in Linux to create different profiles that a user can choose when booting up, that will have different NIC assignments, depending upon the enviroment. Gotta' be a way, though I am uncertain of how to go about this. Pete -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Joe Brandt Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 3:14 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] network profiles I think that the easiest way would be for you to reconfigure your home network to which your laptop settings remain the same (assuming your business IP address is in one of the private network ranges) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 28 13:54:09 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SIs934020028 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:54:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1SIs9Bu020027 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:54:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SIs834020023 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:54:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SIs8SR015397 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:54:08 -0500 Received: from cerberus (169-99.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.99.169]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1SIs07j009353 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:54:00 -0500 Received: from dervish.lazyhobbit.org ([192.168.1.11]) by cerberus with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ax9b5-0003Ir-00 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:53:59 -0500 From: Jonathan Freiermuth To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] network profiles Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:53:58 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <200402262143.29861.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> <1077923278.5589.21.camel@sirus> <1077961953.5589.48.camel@sirus> In-Reply-To: <1077961953.5589.48.camel@sirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402281353.59331.slug@lazyhobbit.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.808, required 6, BAYES_10 -0.91, FVGT_u_HAS_2LETTERFLDR 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 28 February 2004 04:52 am, Logan Tygart wrote: > On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 18:07, Logan Tygart wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 21:43, Russ Wright wrote: > > > I would like to configure my laptop so I can have multiple > > > configurations for my internal nic card. > > I believe this is well documented. You might try: > > http://sdb.suse.de/sdb/en/html/PCMCIA_SCHEMES_SUSE_8.html > > Doh, while drinking my coffee, I now notice the word "internal", > nevermind! Actually SUSE's "scpm", as documented at the URL supplied by Logan, works fine with any type of NIC, not just PCMCIA cards. And you can select the profile you want to use at boot time with the "append" parameter of either lilo or grub, making it ideal for laptops on multiple networks. -- Jonathan Freiermuth ============================================= "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficient...The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." -- Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis ============================================= ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 28 15:00:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SK0E34020522 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:00:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1SK08Ap020521 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:00:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SK0534020502 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:00:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SK05SP017522 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:00:05 -0500 Received: from server109.anhosting.com (server109.anhosting.com [205.243.144.67]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1SJxrG8016532 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 14:59:53 -0500 Received: from 6532249hfc153.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.249.153] helo=localhost.localdomain) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AxAcm-00083o-U4 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:59:49 -0600 From: Steve To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 14:59:45 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> <200402262156.55860.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200402262156.55860.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402281459.45158.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.anhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.271, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 26 February 2004 09:56 pm, Russ Wright wrote: > On Thursday 26 February 2004 9:50 pm, you wrote: > > My wife is using Macromedia's Dreamweaver to develop websites > > (running under CrossOver). DW is GUI, and allows for previewing > > sites before committing changes, and "templates", where parts of > > webpages are preset and can simply be included sort of like macros. > > The result is purely static HTML pages. DW is just a GUI aid to > > creating them. I'd really really like to find something under > > straight Linux that does a similar thing, so as to wean her off > > this. Anyone know of anything like this? (Zope and content > > management systems are _not_ the same as Dreamweaver, so those > > aren't valid alternatives.) > > > > Paul > > Quanta http://quanta.sourceforge.net/ Quanta is my all time fav, if you have enough understanding. > Closest. Uses Kate as the editor. Good syntax highlighting. > > Regards > Russ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 28 15:17:56 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SKHu34020643 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:17:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1SKHuAF020642 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:17:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SKHt34020638 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:17:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SKHtSP017965 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:17:55 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1SKHiG8018009 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:17:44 -0500 Received: from midgard.mineshaftgap.org (242-97.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.97.242]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1SKHgDJ006365 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from spectre.mineshaftgap.org ([192.168.1.1] helo=spectre) by midgard.mineshaftgap.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AxAuF-00079g-00 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:17:51 -0500 Message-ID: <11eb01c3fe37$ea325790$0101a8c0@mineshaftgap.org> From: To: References: <200402262143.29861.rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com> <20040227164118.GE29085@scarecrow.moensrus.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] network profiles Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:17:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.003, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Moen" To: Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 11:41 Subject: Re: [SLUG] network profiles > And just for The Logan's sake, my reply is on the bottom... > > I know for a fact that Debian has some sort of nifty mechanism for > dealing with this sort of situation, but there may be an easier > solution. k - what is it? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 28 18:22:48 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SNMl34022045 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:22:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1SNMlMd022044 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:22:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SNMk34022040 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:22:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1SNMkSP023799 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:22:46 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1SNMWG8003429 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:22:33 -0500 Received: (qmail 26599 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2004 23:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 2004 23:22:32 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:22:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> <200402272206.15919.bill13510@wwnet.net> <200402272247.55188.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200402272247.55188.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402281822.31494.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 27 February 2004 10:47 pm, you wrote: > > Quanta Plus (GPL) != Quanta Gold (NON-GPL) > The guy asked for software recommendations to accomplish one specific goal: to get his wife to surrender Dreamweaver. Rather than simply shooting my suggestion down, why not recommend something better? Bill -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 17:09:00 up 53 days, 17:52, 6 users, load average: 0.19, 0.20, 0.25 17:05:00 up 54 days, 21:17, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 28 19:08:50 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1T08o34022392 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:08:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1T08nqB022391 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:08:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1T08n34022387 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:08:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1T08mSP025282 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:08:48 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1T08eG8007930 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:08:40 -0500 Received: from 192.168.2.160 (24285hfc156.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.156]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1T08buI004814 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:08:38 -0500 (EST) From: "R.G. Mayhue" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:08:30 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> <200402272247.55188.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> <200402281822.31494.bill13510@wwnet.net> In-Reply-To: <200402281822.31494.bill13510@wwnet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402281908.30431.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.428, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 28 February 2004 06:22 pm, Bill Canaday wrote: > On Friday 27 February 2004 10:47 pm, you wrote: > > Quanta Plus (GPL) != Quanta Gold (NON-GPL) > > The guy asked for software recommendations to accomplish one specific goal: > to get his wife to surrender Dreamweaver. > > Rather than simply shooting my suggestion down, why not recommend something > better? > > Bill I wasn't "shooting your suggestion down" Bill. I was simply pointing out that Quanta Plus is not the same as Quanta Gold. They are two differant pieces of software. Quanta Plus ( http://quanta.sourceforge.net ) is a GPL'ed piece of software and is finally an official part of the KDE project. Quanta Gold ( http://www.thekompany.com/products/quanta ) is a NON-GPL'ed proprietary piece of software written, licensed and sold by theKompany. There are Linux, Mac and Windows versions available. In more recent versions of Quanta Plus WYSIWYG editing is being implemented and is not available in Quanta Gold which is why you didn't notice it when you tried it. As far as recommending something better... I did... Quanta Plus :) IMHO Quanta Plus is much better then Quanta Gold. -- Rob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 28 23:18:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1T4I534024217 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:18:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1T4I5Rf024216 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:18:05 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1T4I434024212 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:18:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1T4I3SP000726 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:18:04 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1T4HmG8032588 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:17:49 -0500 Received: (qmail 7945 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 04:17:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 04:17:47 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:17:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> <200402281822.31494.bill13510@wwnet.net> <200402281908.30431.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200402281908.30431.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402282317.47100.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 28 February 2004 07:08 pm, you wrote: > As far as recommending something better... I did... Quanta Plus :) > > IMHO Quanta Plus is much better then Quanta Gold. > > -- Rob I'm already using 3.1.4. The folks at Quanta are not consistent with their labeling of it. In one place it shows Quanta Plus, another Quanta+ or even just an unadorned Quanta. I suspect, though, that we are talking about the same piece of software. Solid work. Are you using the bleeding edge (quanta_be_01.tar.bz2) release? I notice in the release notes for the "be" release that there is some sort of support for Dreamweaver templates. Linux is blessed with at least 3 good web specific editors, Bluefish, Quanta (various releases) and Screem. I don't know how any of them stack up against Dreamweaver ... but all of them are good enough for everything I do. Bill -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 22:29:00 up 53 days, 23:12, 6 users, load average: 0.33, 0.40, 0.33 22:25:00 up 55 days, 2:37, 9 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 28 23:45:57 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1T4ju34024442 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:45:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1T4juRJ024441 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:45:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1T4ju34024437 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:45:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1T4jtSP001554 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:45:55 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1T4jeG8002475 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:45:40 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (46-40.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.40.46]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1T4jcuI023093 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:45:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <40416E68.7040608@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:45:28 -0500 From: "Eric A. Hicks" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Fireworks - type software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.428, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net With all the talk about alternatives to Dreamweaver, I thought I might field some suggestions for a Fireworks (free, linux) alternative. I used to use DW and FW all the time, but I gave up pirating software about a year ago and I can't afford a Macromedia studio license. Since then, my web pages and graphics have suffered a little. I've been looking for something comparable to Fireworks for some time now. The closest thing I found is GIMP, but I don't like the user interface. I heard the 2.0 version has a new interface, so I'll be looking for that. Does anyone know any other similar graphics apps? I mainly do text, and text effects. I also do some layering of text over altered photos. But that's about the extent of it. I don't need something as powerful as Adobe or Fireworks, but FW has, in my opinion, the best user interface for text editing. That's why I settled on it years ago. Now that I'm legit, I'm looking for an open source graphics app. Any suggestions? Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 29 00:10:09 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1T5A834024641 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 00:10:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1T5A8Mf024640 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 00:10:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1T5A734024636 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 00:10:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1T5A7SV002461 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 00:10:07 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i1T59kG8005494 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 00:09:46 -0500 Received: from 192.168.2.160 (24285hfc156.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.156]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i1T59i82020290 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 00:09:44 -0500 (EST) From: "R.G. Mayhue" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dreamweaver-like software Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 00:09:42 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <20040227025038.GD17021@quillandmouse.com> <200402281908.30431.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> <200402282317.47100.bill13510@wwnet.net> In-Reply-To: <200402282317.47100.bill13510@wwnet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402290009.42181.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 28 February 2004 11:17 pm, Bill Canaday wrote: > On Saturday 28 February 2004 07:08 pm, you wrote: > [...] > > Are you using the bleeding edge (quanta_be_01.tar.bz2) release? I notice > in the release notes for the "be" release that there is some sort of > support for Dreamweaver templates. > I'm using Quanta Plus 3.2 and KDE 3.2 on Gentoo (2.6.3-rc4-gentoo) but I really haven't poked around at the new features in Quanta Plus 3.2 all that much. I've just been busy with other things lately but when I do HTML, PHP etc. I prefer Quanta Plus over all the others. I never was a big fan of WYSIWYG editors but as long as Quanta Plus doesn't force that on me I'll be fine with it. -- Rob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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(4.4.116.198) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 05:49:05 -0000 Subject: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] Fireworks - type software From: ethan zimmerman To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <40416E68.7040608@tampabay.rr.com> References: <40416E68.7040608@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1078022885.11839.1.camel@alice.wonderland> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 21:48:05 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: spam, SpamAssassin (score=6.326, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.42, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ssssss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net the GIMP 2.0 is an amazing step forward you should check it out -ethan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 29 11:17:09 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1TGH934029798 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:17:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i1TGH9c8029797 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:17:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1TGH834029793 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:17:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i1TGH8SP026988 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:17:08 -0500 Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i1TGH1G8021502 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:17:02 -0500 Received: from outbound29-sr.lax.untd.com (webmail05.lax.untd.com [10.130.30.145]) by smtpout05.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAEEEC7AEU9M4A for (sender ); Sun, 29 Feb 2004 08:16:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"eyWQ8kNuv/2AmhI+0gI0VmOOBhmgodfGPj3hX0w7FUso5R19/mIkYM+4TQmFl7zQ">; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 08:15:59 PST Received: (from backwardthinker@juno.com) by webmail05.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JPKP2ATZ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 08:15:59 PST Received: from [68.200.125.232] by webmail05.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:15:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.200.125.232] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Backward Thinker" Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:15:35 GMT To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] win 98 and cups on rh8.0 X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Backward Thinker Message-Id: <20040229.081559.28395.2628346@webmail05.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 9:4:758616334 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.058, required 6, FORGED_JUNO_RCVD 2.06) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I have a multitude of desktop NT and W2K boxes printing to these > printers via the same route( samba, network). Coo, if your NT/w2k boxen are going through Samba, you're well on your way. And NT uses port 139 like w98 will, so unless you have host- specific stuff going on, or your w98 boxes are on a different network interface, your iptables is open enough. > For some darn reason it says it is not available to be used.??? > Is there a caveat in smb.conf that I am missing that covers the win98 > OS? Or is there the same caveat in the cups conf file for win98?? Never had w98, but what version of Samba are you running? Are the drivers installed locally on the PC's? If so, you may need to set "use client driver = yes" in smb.conf for a quick fix, or for the right fix, install the drivers from the print$ share of your samba server (use client driver is a hack). But try setting "use client driver = yes" first and see if you can print. If that doesn't work, when you fire off a print job from one of these w98 guys, does anything show up in the samba logs? If your smb.conf splits off logs by machine (%M), is there a samba log for that machine? Also, what security method does your samba server use (share, user, security, domain)? ~ Daniel ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 29 19:43:08 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i210h834001093 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:43:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i210h8Nf001092 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:43:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i210h734001084 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:43:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i210h1SP010045 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:43:01 -0500 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i210gr7j000878 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:42:53 -0500 Received: from sirus (pcp03955933pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.59.113]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <200403010042520160056nhbe>; Mon, 1 Mar 2004 00:42:52 +0000 Received: from logan by sirus with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AxbTq-0001DO-00 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:40:22 -0500 Subject: Now: SLUG crawl. WasRe: {SPAM?} [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-eEwzR7zqcepPxgpLhHZV" Message-Id: <1078101622.5589.105.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:40:22 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.799, required 6, OACYS_SINGLE 0.10, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-eEwzR7zqcepPxgpLhHZV Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2004-02-29 at 19:07, Paul M Foster wrote: > SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** >=20 > 17 March 18:00-21:00 Sarasota > (third Wednesday of each month) > Honeywell > 8323 Lindbergh Court > Sarasota, FL >=20 > See http://www.bish.net/directions/ >=20 If there ever was a time for the "Social Slug Meeting," loosely translated to, "Beerfest," this would be the time: St. Patrick's Day.=20 In fact, I am going to talk to some locals and see if I can get a SLUG crawl instead of a Pub Crawl for St. Paddys. What do you all think?!!? For those of you who do not know what a Pub Crawl is... you buy a t-shirt/arm band/Teal'c SG-1 forehead insignia, etc, for like $15 bucks and then enjoy one free drink from each establishment that sponsors the crawl, then move to the next sponsor. By the end of this quaffery, you are probably crawling. If there are enough folks interested then I will bludgeon the locals into compliance. If we achieve local compliance, some of you GIMP savvy folk will have to design our logo! Your drunken Irishman, The Logan --=20 19:25:01 up 8 days, 13:56, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.08, 0.32 Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning? -- George W. Bush ICQ: 72101412 AIM/Yahoo: LoganTheClever Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-eEwzR7zqcepPxgpLhHZV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAQoZ13OecGqSbkyMRAtGvAJ4+mZSOpzxR4c0tmEyKAzSvW38XlACg4ZZA O8DpOxK6OE8cdyGVsAlIgiY= =Kf/Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-eEwzR7zqcepPxgpLhHZV-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 29 20:20:53 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i211Kr34001375 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:20:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i211KqG2001374 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:20:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i211Kq34001370 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:20:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i211KpSP011152 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:20:52 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i211KLG8008276 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:20:21 -0500 Received: (qmail 2071 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 01:20:20 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 01:20:20 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Axc5z-00077c-00 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:19:47 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:19:43 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Domain transfers Message-ID: <20040301011943.GB27287@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.435, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Does anyone have experience with tranferring domains from one registrar to another? Specifically _away_ from register.com? Is it impossible? Hairy? These morons have somehow changed their system and f***d up every domain I had with them. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 29 20:41:14 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i211fE34001548 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:41:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i211fEYa001547 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:41:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i211fD34001543 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:41:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i211f4SR011835 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:41:05 -0500 Received: from blackadder.aqhostdns.com (blackadder.aqhostdns.com [63.247.129.138]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i211eq7j006581 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:40:52 -0500 Received: from wbar11.tampa1-4-4-135-144.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.4.135.144] helo=roblimo.com) by blackadder.aqhostdns.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AxcQH-0000aa-Up for slug@nks.net; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:40:46 -0500 Message-ID: <40429495.80105@roblimo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:40:37 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040122 Debian/1.5-3 StumbleUpon/1.902 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] Domain transfers References: <20040301011943.GB27287@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20040301011943.GB27287@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - blackadder.aqhostdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: spam, SpamAssassin (score=6.427, required 6, BAYES_10 -0.91, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ssssss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Does anyone have experience with tranferring domains from one registrar > to another? Specifically _away_ from register.com? Is it impossible? > Hairy? These morons have somehow changed their system and f***d up every > domain I had with them. Hairy but doable in my experience, but as you say, they're bleeping things up now, so I have no idea how it is at present. - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 29 21:18:55 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i212It34001810 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:18:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i212IsDp001809 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:18:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i212Is34001805 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:18:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i212IsSP013041 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:18:54 -0500 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i212IdG8014224 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:18:39 -0500 Received: from MARS (119-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.119]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2ECE0FCECC for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:18:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Pete S." To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Domain transfers Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:18:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20040301011943.GB27287@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.798, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, OACYS_SINGLE 0.10, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I only have registered 3 domains, and assisted with a hand full of others (registrations/tranfers) and been most satisfied with "Godaddy.com" (though I have not had them host for me). One of the most difficult domain tranfers with Geocities/Yahoo... frequently took 3-4 days for them to respond. Try communicating with http://www.godaddy.com (they are open 24/7), ask them the questions that you have, and time their response, Sunday night being a good time. Right now, their tranfers are $7.95 per tranfer, which includes 1 year extention. Pete -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Paul M Foster Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 8:20 PM To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Domain transfers Does anyone have experience with tranferring domains from one registrar to another? Specifically _away_ from register.com? Is it impossible? Hairy? These morons have somehow changed their system and f***d up every domain I had with them. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 29 21:24:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i212O534001872 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:24:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i212O4TG001871 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:24:04 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i212O434001867 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:24:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i212O3SR013201 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:24:03 -0500 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i212N07j010732 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:23:00 -0500 Received: from user-0c90kqp.cable.mindspring.com ([24.144.83.89] helo=elkenserver.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Axd55-0003XK-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:22:55 -0800 Message-ID: <40429F30.3020108@elkenserver.net> Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:25:52 -0500 From: Joey Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Simple question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net What would happen if as root I did cat /dev/mem > /dev/null & cat /dev/null > /dev/mem? -Joey ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 29 22:06:53 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i2136r34002195 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:06:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i2136m80002194 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:06:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i2136l34002190 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:06:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i2136kSR014447 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:06:47 -0500 Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i2136GG8018828 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:06:16 -0500 Received: from outbound29-sr.lax.untd.com (webmail04.lax.untd.com [10.130.30.144]) by smtpout01.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAEFLDXA2DHXA2 for (sender ); Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:05:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"eyWQ8kNuv/2AmhI+0gI0VmOOBhmgodfGd53wlfBZPtc9WbqbI47OGaQr4CR1hQf+">; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:05:00 PST Received: (from backwardthinker@juno.com) by webmail04.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JPLU6PYH; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:05:00 PST Received: from [68.200.125.232] by webmail04.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 03:04:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.200.125.232] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Backward Thinker" Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 03:04:26 GMT To: slug@nks.net Cc: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Simple question X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Backward Thinker Message-Id: <20040229.190500.10660.2629475@webmail04.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:4:4112217634 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.059, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_JUNO_RCVD 2.06) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > What would happen if as root I did cat /dev/mem > /dev/null As non-root, permission denied... as root, not much. > cat /dev/null > /dev/mem Non-root, permission denied. Root, not much (/dev/null is treated as a zero length file, nothing is written to /dev/mem). For something spectacular to happen, you'll want to do cat something more intesting into /dev/mem, like /dev/zero. I just tried it on an old Packard Bell, it quickly rebooted back to the BIOS splash screen. Not sure if the result is hardware dependent or if they all do that. At any rate, probably best not to do bad things to /dev/mem if you filesystems mounted or hardware attached that you care a lot about ;). ~ Daniel ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 29 22:26:29 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i213QT34002363 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:26:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i213QT18002362 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:26:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i213QS34002358 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:26:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i213QRSZ015028 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:26:28 -0500 Received: from grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.116]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i213OX7j016733 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:24:33 -0500 Received: from user-0c90kqp.cable.mindspring.com ([24.144.83.89] helo=elkenserver.net) by grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Axe2i-0003NH-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:24:32 -0800 Message-ID: <4042ADA1.30305@elkenserver.net> Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:27:29 -0500 From: Joey Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Simple question References: <20040229.190500.10660.2629475@webmail04.lax.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20040229.190500.10660.2629475@webmail04.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.908, required 6, BAYES_10 -0.91) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hear is a nother question. Everyone jokes about rm -rf / as root but what would happen, (I know what the commad would do) what would happen when it got to /bin/coreutils and removed rm? Backward Thinker wrote: >>What would happen if as root I did cat /dev/mem > /dev/null >> >> > >As non-root, permission denied... as root, not much. > > > >>cat /dev/null > /dev/mem >> >> > >Non-root, permission denied. Root, not much (/dev/null is treated as a zero length file, nothing is written to /dev/mem). > >For something spectacular to happen, you'll want to do cat something more intesting into /dev/mem, like /dev/zero. I just tried it on an old Packard Bell, it quickly rebooted back to the BIOS splash screen. Not sure if the result is hardware dependent or if they all do that. At any rate, probably best not to do bad things to /dev/mem if you filesystems mounted or hardware attached that you care a lot about ;). > >~ Daniel > > >________________________________________________________________ >The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! >Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! >Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 29 22:26:38 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i213Qc34002370 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:26:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i213QcvK002369 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:26:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i213Qb34002365 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:26:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i213QbSP015038 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:26:37 -0500 Received: from ziggy.wwnet.net (smtp.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i213PY7j016871 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:25:34 -0500 Received: (qmail 14891 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 03:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.1.100) (64.27.213.176) by ziggy.wwnet.net with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 03:25:25 -0000 From: Bill Canaday To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] e-commerce software Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:25:24 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402292225.24708.bill13510@wwnet.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Who would care to recommend what? I am considering http://www.x-cart.com/ecommerce_software.html (the "Gold" version, not the "Pro") but would like to get additional opinions before biting a $185 bullet. The money seems reasonable for what they are offering, but I don't want to just toss cash down a rat hole. Bill -- http://cannaday.us (genealogy) http://organic-earth.com (organic gardening) Uptimes below for the machines that created / host these sites. 22:23:00 up 54 days, 23:06, 6 users, load average: 0.07, 0.21, 0.31 22:19:00 up 56 days, 2:31, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 29 22:54:56 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i213su34002593 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:54:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i213stwi002592 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:54:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i213st34002588 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:54:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i213stSP015894 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:54:55 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i213sHG8023768 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:54:17 -0500 Received: (qmail 10414 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 03:54:16 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 03:54:16 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AxeUx-0007zC-00 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:53:43 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:53:39 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] e-commerce software Message-ID: <20040301035339.GA30670@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200402292225.24708.bill13510@wwnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200402292225.24708.bill13510@wwnet.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=5.811, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sssss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:25:24PM -0500, Bill Canaday wrote: > Who would care to recommend what? I am considering > http://www.x-cart.com/ecommerce_software.html (the "Gold" version, not the > "Pro") but would like to get additional opinions before biting a $185 bullet. > The money seems reasonable for what they are offering, but I don't want to > just toss cash down a rat hole. > I use commerce.cgi on the one site where I have ecommerce set up. It's okay, not great. I've heard very good things about oscommerce, which is also free. I think there are plenty of good free (beer) solutions around. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 29 23:03:51 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i2143p34002672 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:03:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i2143oIY002671 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:03:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i2143o34002667 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:03:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i2143nSP016178 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:03:49 -0500 Received: from lion.glypto.com (lion.glypto.com [209.120.224.16]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i2141v7j020814 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:01:57 -0500 Received: from [24.161.255.104] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by lion.glypto.com with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.24) id 1Axecv-0004U9-9A for slug@nks.net; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:01:57 -0600 From: Kevin Poorman To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] e-commerce software Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:05:22 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6 References: <200402292225.24708.bill13510@wwnet.net> In-Reply-To: <200402292225.24708.bill13510@wwnet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200402292305.22149.asympoticessence@yahoo.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - lion.glypto.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.699, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 0.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On the saving the budget, yet still powerful side, check out this: www.cpcommerce.org Very well written (I've helped!) and it's pretty easy to use/setup. -Pkj. On Sunday 29 February 2004 22:25, Bill Canaday wrote: > Who would care to recommend what? I am considering > http://www.x-cart.com/ecommerce_software.html (the "Gold" version, not the > "Pro") but would like to get additional opinions before biting a $185 > bullet. The money seems reasonable for what they are offering, but I don't > want to just toss cash down a rat hole. > > Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 29 23:21:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i214Lg34002815 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:21:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i214LgKC002814 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:21:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i214Lg34002810 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:21:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i214LfST016757 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:21:41 -0500 Received: from vljcms04.ucmretail.internal.callsciences.com (outgoing.callsciences.com [67.17.166.10]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i214LQG8026740 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:21:27 -0500 Received: from ds600m (unverified [24.44.83.165]) by ucmmail.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 5.3.7) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:21:25 -0500 From: "Dan Simoes" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] e-commerce software Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:21:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c3ff44$a2913470$6401a8c0@ds600m> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <200402292225.24708.bill13510@wwnet.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.635, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Check out TEP (OsCommerce) at http://www.oscommerce.org. Learning curve is a little steep but it's good stuff, and free. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 29 23:24:42 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i214Og34002845 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:24:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i214OgAl002844 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:24:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i214Of34002840 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:24:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i214OfSR016843 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:24:41 -0500 Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (outbound28-2.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.160]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i214NU7j022991 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:23:30 -0500 Received: from outbound29-sr.lax.untd.com (webmail16.lax.untd.com [10.130.30.156]) by smtpout04.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABAEFQXGA7KCVKJ for (sender ); Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:23:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"eyWQ8kNuv/2AmhI+0gI0VmOOBhmgodfG/gRYeQI0ZQEaAwJ59hpwl1BZGsdPasLz">; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:22:12 PST Received: (from backwardthinker@juno.com) by webmail16.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JPLZK3DA; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:22:12 PST Received: from [68.200.125.232] by webmail16.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 04:21:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.200.125.232] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Original-From: "Backward Thinker" Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 04:21:31 GMT To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Simple question X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: Backward Thinker Message-Id: <20040229.202212.3565.670563@webmail16.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:5:725769409 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.059, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_JUNO_RCVD 2.06) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Hear is a nother question. Everyone jokes about rm -rf / as root but > what would happen, (I know what the commad would do) what would > happen when it got to /bin/coreutils and removed rm? Processes get loaded into and executed from memory. rm doesn't need the binary on disk to continue happily unlinking anything else it finds :). ~ Daniel p.s. It's only a joke until the first time you accidentally do it :). From what I've heard, the biggest culprit is working on a shell-script and having something like rm -rf $EMPTYVAR1/ ... don't write scripts where you might get burned like that :) ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 29 23:37:53 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i214br34002961 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:37:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i214br4C002960 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:37:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i214bq34002956 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:37:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i214bqSP017210 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:37:52 -0500 Received: from odin (6532243hfc202.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.243.202]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i214bdG8028183 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:37:39 -0500 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 32FB37E45; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:37:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:37:39 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Simple question Message-ID: <20040301043738.GA28835@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20040229.190500.10660.2629475@webmail04.lax.untd.com> <4042ADA1.30305@elkenserver.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4042ADA1.30305@elkenserver.net> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 23:09:46 up 7 days, 8:16, 9 users, load average: 0.12, 0.12, 0.09 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake Joey Dale on Sunday, February 29, 2004 at 10:27PM -0500: > Hear is a nother question. Everyone jokes about rm -rf / as root but > what would happen, (I know what the commad would do) what would happen > when it got to /bin/coreutils and removed rm? > Well, rm would continue on merrily deleting everything, including itself. It deletes itself from the harddrive, but it is still running in memory. You can test this, without hosing your system, too! :) --- suicide.c --- #include #include int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { /* print a message to the user */ printf("I, %s, shall unlink myself now.\n", argv[0]); /* remove thyself! */ unlink("suicide"); /* Say goodbye */ puts("Goodbye, cruel world."); exit(0); } --- end --- now, if you put that in a file called suicide.c, and run gcc -o suicide suicide.c, run ./suicide and it'll remove itself. --- % gcc -o suicide suicide.c % ls suicide suicide* % ./suicide I, ./suicide, shall unlink myself now. Goodbye, cruel world --- Oh, and a similar thing happens when you remove libraries a program needs... the programs will still run. I know this because once I rm -rf'ed /lib by accident... yes, they'll run, but nothing will start... This is why rm is to be respected. -- A formal parsing algorithm should not always be used. -- D. Gries - GPG Fingerprint=D67D 2B75 53C6 9769 30E4 D390 239F C833 F32C F6F6 GPG KeyID=F32CF6F6 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 29 23:57:46 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i214vk34003117 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:57:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i214vjdE003116 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:57:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i214vj34003112 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:57:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i214viST017713 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:57:44 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i214vXG8029902 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:57:33 -0500 Received: (qmail 13433 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2004 04:57:32 -0000 Received: from wbar5.tmp1-4-10-025-063.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.10.25.63) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 04:57:32 -0000 Received: from paulf by hobbes.mars.lan with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AxfUB-00082O-00 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:56:59 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:56:55 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] New Job on Website Message-ID: <20040301045655.GB30670@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.435, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_MAPS_DUL 1.00, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net See http://www.suncoastlug.org/jobs.html I posted this a couple of days ago, and just now remembered to remind people to go look. 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