From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 1 01:23:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i915N9JN020097 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 01:23:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i915MuCc020096 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 01:22:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i915MoJN020092 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 01:22:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i915MnbL014939 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 01:22:49 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i915MZHt020563 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 01:22:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 16638 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2004 05:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.16.56.69) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2004 05:01:35 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0FAF2125325; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 01:01:02 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net From: paulf@quillandmouse.com Subject: [SLUG] Mailing List Policies Message-Id: <20041001050102.0FAF2125325@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 01:01:02 -0400 (EDT) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.859, required 6, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net MAILING LIST POLICIES ===================== Revised 2002-10-08 R2.0 ----------------------------------------------------- CONTENT WE ACCEPT (IN ORDER OF DECREASING BANDWIDTH): ----------------------------------------------------- 1) Technical (Linux or computer-related) questions and answers. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 1 02:06:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9166ZJN020389 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 02:06:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9166YOQ020388 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 02:06:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9166NJN020384 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 02:06:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9166MbN017213 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 02:06:22 -0400 Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9166CHt029826 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 02:06:12 -0400 Received: from user-0c6su42.cable.mindspring.com ([24.110.120.130] helo=[172.24.24.192]) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CDGYW-0006sR-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 23:06:12 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Answers To Linux Questions You Don't Hear (But Should) From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1096610771.21486.153.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 02:06:11 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Instead of being a broken record, I've started putting together a page of my common "lesser known facts/views" about Linux. I'll clean it up over time, as well as add to it, but at least it's there for now (and I can just sent links to it instead of my typically "core dumps" in threads): http://www.vaporwarelabs.com/linux.html -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 1 16:35:48 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i91KZlJN026165 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:35:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i91KZkc3026164 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:35:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i91KZZJN026160 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:35:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i91KZTbL024718 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:35:30 -0400 Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i91KZK26027935 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:35:20 -0400 Received: from wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net ([192.168.167.44]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CDU7d-0005sN-00; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:35:21 -0400 Message-ID: <7865356.1096662920295.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:35:20 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: savatage@mindspring.com To: aminyo@mindspring.com, slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] test4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.116, required 6, AWL -0.30, BAYES_70 2.25, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net test4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 1 16:51:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i91KpCJN026285 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:51:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i91Kp78h026280 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:51:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i91KowJN026276 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:50:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i91Koobh025371 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:50:52 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i91KoQ26030234 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:50:27 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so4245188rnk for ; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.163.7 with SMTP id l7mr3924202rne; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.15.19 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b361d3904100113505a3b2073@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:50:05 -0400 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] test4 In-Reply-To: <7865356.1096662920295.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7865356.1096662920295.JavaMail.root@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.835, required 6, AWL 0.84, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net yea, pretty sure its working now........ On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:35:20 -0400 (GMT-04:00), savatage@mindspring.com wrote: > test4 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 1 17:26:26 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i91LQPJN026513 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:26:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i91LQPGe026512 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:26:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i91LQNJN026508 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:26:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i91LQMbL026959 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:26:23 -0400 Received: from audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net (audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.253]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i91LQF26003352 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:26:15 -0400 Received: from user-12hckbe.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.81.110] helo=blackgold) by audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CDUut-0000S7-4U for slug@nks.net; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:26:15 -0700 Message-ID: <00a201c4a7fd$9d6dcdc0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> From: "savatage" To: Subject: [SLUG] Brandon Meeting Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:28:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: 44b05ea7a2d5b6629c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4de12cf2a965d1448211c4862a6b2b9057350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.22.81.110 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.05, required 6, AWL -0.65, BAYES_50 0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net For the upcoming Brandon Meeting we can have a swap meet. If anyone wants to get rid of your unused, used or older equipment this is a good way to clear out the closets and garages. That's right you can get rid of your stuff and aquire newer stuff : ) Though you did not hear that from me. See you there Bill Preece --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.772 / Virus Database: 519 - Release Date: 10/1/2004 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 1 17:36:16 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i91LaFJN026585 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:36:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i91LaAML026584 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:36:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i91La8JN026580 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:36:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i91La8bL027374 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:36:08 -0400 Received: from mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.228]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i91LZuHt022015 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:35:56 -0400 Received: from user-12hckbe.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.81.110] helo=blackgold) by mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CDV4G-0000PM-19 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:35:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c4a7fe$f7c48600$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> From: "savatage" To: References: <20040929014357.GH23572@quillandmouse.com> Subject: [SLUG] Re: [SLUG-ANNOUNCE] Tampa Meetings Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:38:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: 44b05ea7a2d5b6629c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d48d995da6ac7703c490ed725a886235f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.22.81.110 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.699, required 6, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I think everyone should give a round of thanks and kudos to Wayne Pollock for going the extra distance for us. Thanks Bill Preece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul M Foster" To: "SLUG List" ; "SLUG Announce List" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: [SLUG-ANNOUNCE] Tampa Meetings > Folks: > > The silence has been deafening on the disposition of the Tampa meetings. > As a result, Wayne Pollock of HCC has arranged to have meetings on 2nd > TUESDAYS at HCC, starting in October. Wayne's Wednesday classes > precluded a lot of HCC students attending SLUG meetings, so hopefully > we'll get more HCC students there on Tuesdays. > > In order for HCC to sanction these meetings, they must have an actual > Linux club there, complete with officers and bylaws. At this first > meeting, they will probably need to attend to this business. > > I will be running the first of these meetings on 12 October (Wayne > threatened my life ;-), but a successor will need to be chosen at that > meeting. If you SLUGs don't speak up, it will likely be an HCC student, > who may well be temporary. Your choice. > > The website has been updated, and the next meeting announcement will > reflect the change. > > As always, all are welcome, and particularly welcome to bring ailing > machines. > > Paul M. Foster > President > Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.772 / Virus Database: 519 - Release Date: 10/1/2004 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 1 17:44:37 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i91LiaJN026648 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:44:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i91LiaEQ026647 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:44:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i91LiYJN026643 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:44:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i91LiYbL027774 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:44:34 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i91LiR26006283 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:44:27 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i91LiPB7024380 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410012144.i91LiPB7024380@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Answers To Linux Questions You Don't Hear (But Should) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:42:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <1096610771.21486.153.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Thread-Index: AcSnf3ugN9GGQn7LS5So0TPktABTLAAgAOoQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.37, required 6, AWL 0.37) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>I've started putting together a page of my common "lesser known facts/views" about Linux. Well written, Bryan. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bryan J. Smith Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:06 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Answers To Linux Questions You Don't Hear (But Should) Instead of being a broken record, I've started putting together a page of my common "lesser known facts/views" about Linux. I'll clean it up over time, as well as add to it, but at least it's there for now (and I can just sent links to it instead of my typically "core dumps" in threads): http://www.vaporwarelabs.com/linux.html -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 1 22:35:01 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i922Z0JN028486 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:35:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i922Yt6q028485 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:34:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i922YrJN028481 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:34:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i922YqbL007160 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:34:52 -0400 Received: from web50602.mail.yahoo.com (web50602.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.89]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i922Yh26018330 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:34:43 -0400 Message-ID: <20041002023442.56150.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.216.65.2] by web50602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:34:42 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:34:42 -0700 (PDT) From: perthie Subject: [SLUG] fedora network install To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1458805862-1096684482=:55397" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.139, required 6, AWL -0.82, BAYES_70 2.25, FU_DOUBLESLASH 0.30, FU_PROMO 0.44, FU_URI_REDIRECT 0.86, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --0-1458805862-1096684482=:55397 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i checked red hats website, and didnt find network installation disks. i just wanted to make sure they dont exist before i chew up massive ammounts of bandwidth downloading 4 gigs of iso's. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 1 23:47:56 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i923luJN028952 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:47:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i923ltIE028951 for slug-track29; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:47:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i923liJN028947 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:47:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i923lhbP009811 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:47:44 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i923lDHt006717 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:47:17 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so3255470rnk for ; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.59.51 with SMTP id h51mr4029071rna; Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.72.62 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 20:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:47:12 -0400 From: Daniel MacLaren To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] fedora network install In-Reply-To: <20041002023442.56150.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041002023442.56150.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.199, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, FU_TLD_US 0.20) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I just did a FTP install of Fedora Core 3 Test 2. You need their 4MB boot.iso. You can download a copy here: ftp://ftp.net.usf.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/2/i386/os/images/ You specify the directory to install from - so you should be able to install any release using that boot image. See this for more info: http://vishalshah.org/node/view/81 Their standard desktop install was about 2.4G. You can save lots of time if you are more selective about the packages (leave out Openoffice for example). ----- Original Message ----- From: perthie Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SLUG] fedora network install To: slug@nks.net i checked red hats website, and didnt find network installation disks. i just wanted to make sure they dont exist before i chew up massive ammounts of bandwidth downloading 4 gigs of iso's. ________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 2 06:37:55 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i92AbsJN031776 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 06:37:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i92AbrVe031775 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 06:37:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i92AblJN031771 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 06:37:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i92AbfbN028261 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 06:37:42 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com ([66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i92Ab326028078 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 06:37:08 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=apotheon.com) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CDhFG-0006Ld-Sc for slug@nks.net; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 03:36:07 -0700 Message-ID: <415E85F4.1070301@apotheon.com> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 06:41:56 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040306) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] fedora network install References: <20041002023442.56150.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.066, required 6, AWL 0.22, BAYES_44 -0.00, FU_TLD_US 0.20, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Daniel MacLaren wrote: > I just did a FTP install of Fedora Core 3 Test 2. You need their 4MB > boot.iso. You can download a copy here: > > ftp://ftp.net.usf.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/2/i386/os/images/ > > You specify the directory to install from - so you should be able to > install any release using that boot image. See this for more info: > > http://vishalshah.org/node/view/81 > > Their standard desktop install was about 2.4G. You can save lots of > time if you are more selective about the packages (leave out > Openoffice for example). I'd rather keep OpenOffice and leave out emacs and Gnome, personally. To each their own, I suppose. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 2 10:44:35 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i92EiTJN000885 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:44:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i92EiTLP000884 for slug-track29; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:44:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i92EiRJN000880 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:44:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i92EiRbL004636 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:44:27 -0400 Received: from web50610.mail.yahoo.com (web50610.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.249]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i92EiK26028100 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:44:20 -0400 Message-ID: <20041002144420.86226.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.216.65.2] by web50610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Oct 2004 07:44:20 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 07:44:20 -0700 (PDT) From: perthie Subject: Re: [SLUG] fedora network install To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <415E85F4.1070301@apotheon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-611786631-1096728260=:85547" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.391, required 6, AWL 1.09, FU_TLD_US 0.20, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --0-611786631-1096728260=:85547 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i usually leave out tons of stuff in my own installations (most of the time i leave out xwindows completely, opting instead for a very small installation footprint). ordinarily, id use debian, but this box will be running proprietary bandwidth management software that /specifically/ requires redhat. thanks for the info. Chad Perrin wrote: Daniel MacLaren wrote: > I just did a FTP install of Fedora Core 3 Test 2. You need their 4MB > boot.iso. You can download a copy here: > > ftp://ftp.net.usf.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/2/i386/os/images/ > > You specify the directory to install from - so you should be able to > install any release using that boot image. See this for more info: > > http://vishalshah.org/node/view/81 > > Their standard desktop install was about 2.4G. You can save lots of > time if you are more selective about the packages (leave out > Openoffice for example). I'd rather keep OpenOffice and leave out emacs and Gnome, personally. To each their own, I suppose. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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i usually leave out tons of stuff in my own installations (most of the time i leave out xwindows completely, opting instead for a very small installation footprint). ordinarily, id use debian, but this box will be running proprietary bandwidth management software that /specifically/ requires redhat.
 
thanks for the info.

Chad Perrin <perrin@apotheon.com> wrote:
Daniel MacLaren wrote:
> I just did a FTP install of Fedora Core 3 Test 2. You need their 4MB
> boot.iso. You can download a copy here:
>
> ftp://ftp.net.usf.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/2/i386/os/images/
>
> You specify the directory to install from - so you should be able to
> install any release using that boot image. See this for more info:
>
> http://vishalshah.org/node/view/81
>
> Their standard desktop install was about 2.4G. You can save lots of
> time if you are more selective about the packages (leave out
> Openoffice for example).

I'd rather keep OpenOffice and leave out emacs and Gnome, personally.
To each their own, I suppose.
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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 4 14:58:14 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i94IwDJN021250 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:58:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i94IwDPt021249 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:58:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i94Iw1JN021241 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:58:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i94IvtbL002194 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:57:56 -0400 Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp3.ij.net [207.100.203.151]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i94Ivh26003705 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:57:47 -0400 Received: (qmail 46928 invoked by uid 0); 4 Oct 2004 18:57:42 -0000 Received: from paddy@ij.net by smtp.ij.net by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (clamscan: 0.73. Clear:. Processed in 0.032086 secs); 04 Oct 2004 18:57:42 -0000 Received: from perm71-193.ij.net (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (209.216.71.193) by smtp3-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 18:57:42 -0000 Message-ID: <41619CFC.4080209@ij.net> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:57:00 -0700 From: Paddy User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (Windows/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] Rotten floppy disk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.56, required 6, AWL -0.09, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have run into a problem that's running me up against a wall. I have a new Asus A7V880 MB with an Athalon 3200 CPU, a Maxtor 250 GB HD, 1 GB of DDR RAM and an ATI Radeon 9200 Video Card. I have divided the HD into two (2) partitions of about 125 GB each, the first partition contains Winblows XP Pro and the other is to contain Linux. I have downloaded and installed Service Pack 2, all of the newest drivers for the MB and I have the newest updates for the video card yet to be installed. I have one very big problem though, the rotten floppy drive will not work and I can't figure it out. I have changed drives (5) ribbon cables, read the manual (you know I must be desperate) all to no avail. As soon as I reboot the machine the LED on the floppy stayes lit and if I insert a blank disk in the floppy, a message comes up telling me to insert a disk in the drive. I have been building my own computers for the last 15 years and I have never had this kind of stuff happen before. Can it be that all of my spare floppy drives all went belly up at the same time? 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 4 15:44:50 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i94JidJN021583 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:44:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i94JiV2i021582 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:44:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i94JiKJN021578 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:44:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i94JiJbL004168 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:44:19 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i94Ji8Ht021921 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:44:12 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i94Ji6lN015032 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:45:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rotten floppy disk In-Reply-To: <41619CFC.4080209@ij.net> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: As soon as I reboot the machine the LED on the floppy stayes lit Sounds like ribbon cable backward. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 4 17:40:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i94Le4JN022361 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:40:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i94Ldtbn022360 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:39:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i94LdmJN022356 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:39:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i94LdmbL009370 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:39:48 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i94LddHt017924 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:39:39 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CEaYU-000575-Cx for slug@nks.net; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:39:38 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rotten floppy disk Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:39:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410041739.34947.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=4.356, required 6, BAYES_80 1.66, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 04 October 2004 03:45 pm, Eben King wrote: > An ASCII character walks into a bar and orders a double. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 4 18:07:54 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i94M7nJN022560 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:07:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i94M7m57022559 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:07:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i94M7gJN022555 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:07:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i94M7bbN010584; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:07:41 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i94M7G26001756; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:07:16 -0400 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i94M7DlM014114; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01ad01c4aa5e$81025d00$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: Cc: Subject: [SLUG] Fwd: [IPCop-user] ANNOUNCE: IPCop 1.4.0 Final Release! Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:07:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Relayed from Leap-CF via Phil Barnett - Bob > -------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: [IPCop-user] ANNOUNCE: IPCop 1.4.0 Final Release! > Date: Friday 01 October 2004 04:05 > From: Alan Hourihane > To: ipcop-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, ipcop-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > IPCop users, and developers, > > The IPCop team is proud to announce the Final 1.4.0 Release today ! > > IPCop Linux is a complete Linux distribution whose sole purpose is to > protect the networks on which it is installed. It is extremely easy for > anyone to install and configure. Frequently, the IPCop firewall can be > installed within 10 to 15 minutes. > > Changes: > Build system uses LFS (Linux from Scratch) > New GUI > > New supported hardware includes: > SCSI hardware > PCMCIA hardware > Speedtouch PPPoE > AVM Fritz!DSL > AVM Fritz!Card PCI 2.0 > Bewan st PCI and USB > Conexant usb and PCI driver > Eagle-usb driver > Friztdsl > Speedtouch usb PPPoE / bridged / routed IP (Rev 4.00 supported) > Zyxel 630-11 driver > 3Com 3cp4218 driver > New features include: > Support ACPI > Uni and Multi-processor systems > SSP Stack Smashing Protection and libsafe > Intrusion detection SNORT (for all interfaces) > Traffic Shaping > NTP Server on GREEN > System graphs for CPU, Memory and disk > BLUE interface for connecting Wireless AP's > X.509 VPN support (including Roadwarrior support) > Enhancements to DHCP and Hosts editing > Enhancements to log viewing > New supported languages include: > Cesky > Chinese > Latin American Spanish > Magyar > Polski > Portugu?s > Portugu?s-Brasil > Romanian > Suomi > Vietnamese > Russkij > New target platforms > Digital Alpha (preliminary) - yes, IPCop runs on Alpha systems > as well as Intel ix86 machines. ISO available on > request to sense the need for this. > > With this release, a new website has been launched on www.ipcop.org. > If you see any info missing, please register and contact us on the > ipcop-devel list and we will supply you with the correct permissions to > continue updating the website as you could with the old Twiki. > The IPCop team is grateful for your continued support and feedback > on this firewall. We will try to make IPCop even easier to use in > the future for an increasing number of advanced tasks. > > IPCop is available for download via SourceForge at > > http://sf.net/projects/ipcop > > MD5: c47e9544ea0984c1a8e43e5d3046c927 fcdsl-1.4.0-smp.tgz > MD5: 4689099f3c49284cbf6460bec6b2cb15 fcdsl-1.4.0.tgz > MD5: e02720e1306bf905dba797d54f8e22d5 ipcop-1.4.0.tar.gz > MD5: d8beec0956d943991690cee63786aad4 ipcop-1.4.0.iso > > Additionally, there is a torrent available at > > http://bitmover.com/~wscott/ipcop-1.4.0.iso.torrent > > Please use the mailing lists appropriately. The ipcop-user list for > questions relating to using IPCop, and the ipcop-devel list for development > discussions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 4 19:25:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i94NPbJN023132 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:25:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i94NPbNf023131 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:25:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i94NPaJN023127 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:25:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i94NPZbL013963 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:25:35 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i94NPH26014372 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:25:18 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so4508668rnk for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.73.46 with SMTP id v46mr334912rna; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.14 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:25:17 -0400 From: Bill Shaw To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rotten floppy disk In-Reply-To: <41619CFC.4080209@ij.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41619CFC.4080209@ij.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Are you sure the floppy cable isn't on backwards? I looked through the amdmb.com forums and couldn't find any known issues with the A7V880. On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:57:00 -0700, Paddy wrote: > I have run into a problem that's running me up against a wall. I have a > new Asus A7V880 MB with an Athalon 3200 CPU, a Maxtor 250 GB HD, 1 GB of > DDR RAM and an ATI Radeon 9200 Video Card. I have divided the HD into > two (2) partitions of about 125 GB each, the first partition contains > Winblows XP Pro and the other is to contain Linux. > > I have downloaded and installed Service Pack 2, all of the newest > drivers for the MB and I have the newest updates for the video card yet > to be installed. > > I have one very big problem though, the rotten floppy drive will not > work and I can't figure it out. I have changed drives (5) ribbon > cables, read the manual (you know I must be desperate) all to no avail. > As soon as I reboot the machine the LED on the floppy stayes lit and if > I insert a blank disk in the floppy, a message comes up telling me to > insert a disk in the drive. > > I have been building my own computers for the last 15 years and I have > never had this kind of stuff happen before. Can it be that all of my > spare floppy drives all went belly up at the same time? I even thought > of buying a new drive but CompUSA wanted $15.00 and I don't need a new > drive that bad. > > Anyone have an ideas? All help is appreciated. > > Paddy > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 4 23:29:21 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i953TKJN024840 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:29:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i953TK8Y024839 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:29:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i953TEJN024835 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:29:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i953TDbL024280 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:29:13 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i953T6Ht000982 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:29:06 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so4530018rnk for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.126.4 with SMTP id y4mr3467236rnc; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.4 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e3104100420282e310d77@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:28:57 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Doom3 Linux Binaries released Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/ If anybody's interested. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 4 23:47:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i953lHJN024976 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:47:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i953lGvR024975 for slug-track29; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:47:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i953lFJN024971 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:47:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i953lEbN024976 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:47:14 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i953l6Ht004783 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:47:06 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so3448287rnk for ; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.208.7 with SMTP id f7mr535069rng; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.39.1.60 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <22e1856d0410042047edab798@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:47:06 -0400 From: Tyler Vann-Campbell To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Doom3 Linux Binaries released In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e3104100420282e310d77@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1a3a3e3104100420282e310d77@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:28:57 -0400, Levi Bard wrote: > http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/ > > If anybody's interested. Duly noted, I played most of the game on a cvs snapshot of winex since the latest cedega upgrade wasn't out in time. I've been looking forward to the client and server binaries. I think there was a thread on newsforge concerning what would happen if the game industry made a shift towards open sourcing newer games sooner. Interesting theory, especially if the mod community surrounding most games is any indication. Tyler ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 01:22:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i955MCJN025627 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:22:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i955MCZ5025626 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:22:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i955M5JN025622 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:22:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i955M5bN030199 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:22:05 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i955Lw26010190 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:21:58 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i955LuT5027746 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:23:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rotten floppy disk In-Reply-To: <200410041739.34947.steve@szmidt.org> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Monday 04 October 2004 03:45 pm, Eben King wrote: > > An ASCII character walks into a bar and orders a double. "Having a bad > > day?" asks the barman. "Yeah, I have a parity error," replies the ASCII > > character. The barman says, "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." -- Skud > > Now that is DRY computer humor! : ) I didn't write it, Kirrily "Skud" Roberts did (I think); I just like it. > Makes me think of the joke that won the worst joke competition in Europe some > 10 years ago. It does not even have a point to it. > > One black and one white horse were out flying. The black one said "I'm flying > faster than you!" > > "Yes", answered the white horse. I can see why it won. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar A. A Top Poster B. Who's there? A. Knock-knock -- from bobward@xxx.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 09:06:56 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95D6tJN028875 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:06:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i95D6jXq028874 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:06:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95D6iJN028870 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:06:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95D6hbL016998 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:06:43 -0400 Received: from web50603.mail.yahoo.com (web50603.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.90]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i95D68Ht003459 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:06:08 -0400 Message-ID: <20041005130602.53454.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.216.65.2] by web50603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 06:06:02 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 06:06:02 -0700 (PDT) From: perthie Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rotten floppy disk To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <41619CFC.4080209@ij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-740013971-1096981562=:51337" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.1, required 6, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --0-740013971-1096981562=:51337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii at first it sounds like a backward cable (or backward connector on the motherboard itself). it could also be that the motherboard has a factory defect (such as the floppy drive controller). you may want to try flashing the bios to see if that corrects the problem. if not, i'd get an RMA on the motherboard. Paddy wrote:I have run into a problem that's running me up against a wall. I have a new Asus A7V880 MB with an Athalon 3200 CPU, a Maxtor 250 GB HD, 1 GB of DDR RAM and an ATI Radeon 9200 Video Card. I have divided the HD into two (2) partitions of about 125 GB each, the first partition contains Winblows XP Pro and the other is to contain Linux. I have downloaded and installed Service Pack 2, all of the newest drivers for the MB and I have the newest updates for the video card yet to be installed. I have one very big problem though, the rotten floppy drive will not work and I can't figure it out. I have changed drives (5) ribbon cables, read the manual (you know I must be desperate) all to no avail. As soon as I reboot the machine the LED on the floppy stayes lit and if I insert a blank disk in the floppy, a message comes up telling me to insert a disk in the drive. I have been building my own computers for the last 15 years and I have never had this kind of stuff happen before. Can it be that all of my spare floppy drives all went belly up at the same time? I even thought of buying a new drive but CompUSA wanted $15.00 and I don't need a new drive that bad. Anyone have an ideas? All help is appreciated. Paddy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-740013971-1096981562=:51337 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

at first it sounds like a backward cable (or backward connector on the motherboard itself). it could also be that the motherboard has a factory defect (such as the floppy drive controller). you may want to try flashing the bios to see if that corrects the problem. if not, i'd get an RMA on the motherboard.

Paddy <paddy@ij.net> wrote:
I have run into a problem that's running me up against a wall. I have a
new Asus A7V880 MB with an Athalon 3200 CPU, a Maxtor 250 GB HD, 1 GB of
DDR RAM and an ATI Radeon 9200 Video Card. I have divided the HD into
two (2) partitions of about 125 GB each, the first partition contains
Winblows XP Pro and the other is to contain Linux.

I have downloaded and installed Service Pack 2, all of the newest
drivers for the MB and I have the newest updates for the video card yet
to be installed.

I have one very big problem though, the rotten floppy drive will not
work and I can't figure it out. I have changed drives (5) ribbon
cables, read the manual (you know I must be desperate) all to no avail.
As soon as I reboot the machine the LED on the floppy stayes lit and if
I insert a blank disk in the floppy, a message comes up telling m! e to
insert a disk in the drive.

I have been building my own computers for the last 15 years and I have
never had this kind of stuff happen before. Can it be that all of my
spare floppy drives all went belly up at the same time? I even thought
of buying a new drive but CompUSA wanted $15.00 and I don't need a new
drive that bad.

Anyone have an ideas? All help is appreciated.

Paddy

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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 15:35:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95JZ4JN031373 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:35:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i95JZ4KD031372 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:35:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95JZ2JN031368 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:35:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95JZ2bL032756 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:35:02 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95JYjHt024255 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:34:46 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 80so2330234rnk for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 12:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.206.80 with SMTP id d80mr252732rng; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 12:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.37 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 12:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:34:33 -0400 From: Steven Buehler To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Just found this on our internal site today, reported by Bloomberg News, that AT&T Labs is testing Linux with the idea of potentially dumping Windows from the 70,000 personal computers used by its employees in the company. -- Steven Buehler | swbuehler@gmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 16:11:49 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95KBmJN031615 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:11:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i95KBhPj031614 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:11:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95KBfJN031610 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:11:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95KBVbd001717 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:11:36 -0400 Received: from bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.119]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95KAI26013078 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:10:19 -0400 Received: from user-0c6su66.cable.mindspring.com ([24.110.120.198] helo=[172.24.24.192]) by bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CEvda-0004vm-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 13:10:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLUG] AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097007017.3430.309.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 16:10:17 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.38, required 6, AWL 0.38, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 15:34, Steven Buehler wrote: > Just found this on our internal site today, reported by Bloomberg > News, that AT&T Labs is testing Linux with the idea of potentially > dumping Windows from the 70,000 personal computers used by its > employees in the company. I've said it before and I'll say it again, widespread Linux adoption (e.g., consumers) will come through corporate adoption. It'll first start with the Freedomware Desktop at work. Then home users will be forced to run at least Freedomware apps at home so they can exchange. And once that happens, that's one less set of Hostageware incompatibility we have to deal with. It's only a matter of time before the 90%+ marketshare is broken. We're already seeing it drop below 85% on the browser (when sites check for the _actual_ brower in use, not as "forged" to be compatible). -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 16:27:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95KRZJN031730 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:27:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i95KRZXl031729 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:27:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95KRPJN031725 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:27:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95KRPbL002379 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:27:25 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95KRAHt002961 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:27:10 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 78so685311rnl for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 13:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.79.8 with SMTP id c8mr853713rnb; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 13:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.4 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e31041005132758adab5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:27:05 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:34:33 -0400, Steven Buehler wrote: > Just found this on our internal site today, reported by Bloomberg > News, that AT&T Labs is testing Linux with the idea of potentially > dumping Windows from the 70,000 personal computers used by its > employees in the company. ...and so the spiral completes a revolution. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 16:51:44 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95KpiJN031905 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:51:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i95KpcSh031904 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:51:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95KpWJN031900 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:51:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95KpQbP003324 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:51:27 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95KopHt007706 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:50:52 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so46626rnk for ; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 13:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.126.17 with SMTP id y17mr872326rnc; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 13:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.15.19 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b361d3904100513503d306ab1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:50:40 -0400 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net another major company has seen the light. Microsoft is slowly losing its hold on the highend server market. now if IBM would offer Linux based Home PCs.... On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:34:33 -0400, Steven Buehler wrote: > Just found this on our internal site today, reported by Bloomberg > News, that AT&T Labs is testing Linux with the idea of potentially > dumping Windows from the 70,000 personal computers used by its > employees in the company. > > -- > Steven Buehler | swbuehler@gmail.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 16:54:12 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95KsBJN031929 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:54:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i95KsBPk031928 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:54:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95Ks4JN031919 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:54:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95Ks4bL003420 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:54:04 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95Krs26019309 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:53:54 -0400 Received: from pavilion.littlebob.org (43-181.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.181.43]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i95KrpT4006104 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:53:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:52:08 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410051652.08941@Who-needs-Gates-and-Windows-in-a-world-without-fences-and-walls> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.449, required 6, AWL 0.04, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.42, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 05 October 2004 07:34 pm, Steven Buehler wrote: > Just found this on our internal site today, reported by Bloomberg > News, that AT&T Labs is testing Linux with the idea of potentially > dumping Windows from the 70,000 personal computers used by its > employees in the company. Let's hope that Annette Jump at Gartner doesn't hear about that. From the article:"About 80 percent of systems pre-loaded with Linux in 2004 will end up running a pirated copy of Windows," she said. By her figures, ~56,000 of those pc's will be running pirated versions of Windows. Tell me that she isn't on the MS payroll. Jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 17:38:53 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95LclJN032249 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:38:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i95Lclbl032248 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:38:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95LceJN032244 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:38:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95LcbbL005163 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:38:37 -0400 Received: from web41801.mail.yahoo.com (web41801.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.135]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i95LcQ26025967 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:38:27 -0400 Message-ID: <20041005213825.51704.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.164.60.41] by web41801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 14:38:25 PDT X-RocketYMMF: swbuehler Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:38:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Buehler Subject: Re: [SLUG] AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <8b361d3904100513503d306ab1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.698, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --- chris lee wrote: > another major company has seen the light. > > Microsoft is slowly losing its hold on the highend server market. > > now if IBM would offer Linux based Home PCs.... They kinda sorta do. IBM's PCs as a general rule are among the easiest to install Linux on. I had Mandrake 10 installed on my new ThinkPad R51, and there was no post configuration tasks required. Everything ran flawlessly the first time except for the 802.11a/b/g adapter which Mandrake 10's kernel didn't precompile a driver for. ===== Steven W. Buehler | steven@sanctuaryweb.org --------------------------------- Personal Home Page: http://www.sanctuaryweb.org | Music Home Page: http://renaitre.iuma.com Yahoo! Messenger: swbuehler | AOL Instant Messenger: stevenbuehlerfl | MSN Messenger: stevenwbuehler@msn.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 18:09:38 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95M9XJN032447 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:09:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i95M9WmM032446 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:09:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95M9DJN032442 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:09:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95M92bL006388 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:09:08 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95M8oHt025575 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:08:50 -0400 Received: from user-0c6su66.cable.mindspring.com ([24.110.120.198] helo=[172.24.24.192]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CExUH-0001Aw-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 15:08:49 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <8b361d3904100513503d306ab1@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b361d3904100513503d306ab1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097014125.3430.322.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 18:08:45 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 16:50, chris lee wrote: > another major company has seen the light. > Microsoft is slowly losing its hold on the highend server market. Not to be argumentative (my apologies), but ... 1) This looks to be a PC/desktop migration, not server, plus 2) I didn't know Microsoft had _any_ products in the high-end server market? > now if IBM would offer Linux based Home PCs.... HP is doing more for Linux on the desktop/portable front than IBM right now. HP, unlike IBM and most PC OEMs, seems to be more conscience on what Tawainese manufacturers they are buying their notebooks from, and looking for Linux comaptibility. On the server-end, despite co-developing IA-64 with Intel (IA-64 was designed to have some HP-PARC compatibility as well as IA-32/x86), HP is doing more to advance Linux/x86-64 at the "high-end server." I'll know IBM is serious about Linux "on the desktop" when change their stance on their notebook purchases and support, as well as when they Freedomware SmartSuite. So far, IBM's Linux stance is completely on the server/services side only. While that's a good start, IBM still cares about their non-Linux marketshare. Hence why many IBM AIX/Power customers are getting "raked over the coals" for buying HP Linux/x86-64 solutions like the Proliant DL585. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 18:11:21 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95MBKJN032480 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:11:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i95MBK1Z032479 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:11:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95MB9JN032475 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:11:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95MB9bL006494 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:11:09 -0400 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95MAu26031217 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:10:57 -0400 Received: from user-0c6su66.cable.mindspring.com ([24.110.120.198] helo=[172.24.24.192]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CExWG-0005tn-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 15:10:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLUG] AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20041005213825.51704.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041005213825.51704.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097014251.3430.325.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 18:10:52 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.368, required 6, AWL 0.37, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 17:38, Steven Buehler wrote: > They kinda sorta do. IBM's PCs as a general rule are among the easiest to > install Linux on. I had Mandrake 10 installed on my new ThinkPad R51, and > there was no post configuration tasks required. Everything ran flawlessly the > first time except for the 802.11a/b/g adapter which Mandrake 10's kernel didn't > precompile a driver for. IBM dropped support for Linux on notebooks awhile back. But they do still by notebooks with legacy BIOS, so there are less issues than new "legacy free" ones. Unfortunately, they also have some very non-compliant BIOSes (e.g., no Extended Int13h Services support, which results in all sorts of dual-booting issues with more than just Linux, but even multiple NT versions ;-). I like what HP is doing. They are sticking with Tawainese and other distributors who release their specifications so full Linux support can be developed. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 18:24:27 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95MOQJN032580 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:24:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i95MOGRx032579 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:24:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95MOEJN032575 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:24:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95MODbL006995 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:24:13 -0400 Received: from web41805.mail.yahoo.com (web41805.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.139]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i95MO3Ht028984 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:24:03 -0400 Message-ID: <20041005222402.84812.qmail@web41805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.164.60.41] by web41805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 15:24:02 PDT X-RocketYMMF: swbuehler Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:24:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Buehler Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1097014125.3430.322.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.698, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --- "Bryan J. Smith" wrote: > 1) This looks to be a PC/desktop migration, not server, plus Most of AT&T's server environment is Windows or UNIX-based. > 2) I didn't know Microsoft had _any_ products in the high-end server > market? Does Windows Server 2003 ring a bell? ===== Steven W. Buehler | steven@sanctuaryweb.org --------------------------------- Personal Home Page: http://www.sanctuaryweb.org | Music Home Page: http://renaitre.iuma.com Yahoo! Messenger: swbuehler | AOL Instant Messenger: stevenbuehlerfl | MSN Messenger: stevenwbuehler@msn.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 18:27:58 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95MRvJN032625 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:27:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i95MRm7x032624 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:27:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95MRfJN032619 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:27:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95MRZbL007135 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:27:40 -0400 Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp3.ij.net [207.100.203.151]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i95MRP26000794 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:27:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 87885 invoked by uid 0); 5 Oct 2004 22:27:24 -0000 Received: from paddy@ij.net by smtp.ij.net by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (clamscan: 0.73. 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(209.216.71.193) by smtp3-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 5 Oct 2004 22:27:24 -0000 Message-ID: <41631FB2.6050201@ij.net> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 15:26:58 -0700 From: Paddy User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (Windows/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rotten floppy disk References: <20041005130602.53454.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041005130602.53454.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.117, required 6, AWL 0.38, BAYES_30 -0.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net perthie wrote: > at first it sounds like a backward cable (or backward connector on the > motherboard itself). it could also be that the motherboard has a > factory defect (such as the floppy drive controller). you may want to > try flashing the bios to see if that corrects the problem. if not, i'd > get an RMA on the motherboard. > > */Paddy /* wrote: > snip I must confess that it seems that all five (5) of my spare 1.44 floppys are junk, thats what I get for keeping this stuff around. I broke down and bought a new floppy, used a new cable and everything works. Time to clear out the boxes of stuff in my back room and invest some money in new hardware. Thanks to everyone who offered advice or tried to help. Paddy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 19:06:08 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95N5sJN000435 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:06:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i95N5nuo000434 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:05:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95N5kJN000430 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:05:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95N5gbL008559 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:05:46 -0400 Received: from tampadsl.net (cftampabay.org [198.31.248.210]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95N5Z26006132 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:05:35 -0400 Received: from [192.168.3.102] [63.135.232.210] by tampadsl.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id A7B126AC0124; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:01:05 -0400 From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] gmail Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:10:09 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410051910.09329.ulmerton@tampadsl.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.428, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On the off chance taht there is a single soul on this list without, I have a couple of gmail invites left. Just contact me at mr.a2l1@gmail.com and I will reply with the invite :) A J -- Feel safe and confident,there were no M$ products used in the creation of this email, only virus-free and rock solid LINUX! Registered LINUX user #191255 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 19:21:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95NLkJN000557 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:21:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i95NLfwS000556 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:21:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95NLYJN000552 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:21:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95NLYbL009199 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:21:34 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (rrcs-67-78-17-122.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.122]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95NLL26008394 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:21:21 -0400 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id 3906420704E; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.252] (unknown [192.168.1.252]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCE3206FFC for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] New Subscriber From: "Tom E. Craddock, Jr." To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097018479.4164.13.camel@thor> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:21:19 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.499, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, FB_NIGERIAN1 0.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi Just wanted to introduce myself, my name is Tom Craddock, Jr. Recently found the SLUG website and signed up for the mailing list today. I hope Ill be able to attend the SLUG meeting in Brandon this Thursday night (Oct 7, 2004). Do many people on the list attend that one? I am new to LUGs, but am looking forward to meeting other OS users in the community. A lil info about my nix experience, been using it one form or another for about 3 years straight, dabbled in it back in 95-96, but could never get it to work then, so when I finally got back into it, I was pleasantly surprised to learn it had become a bit more friendlier, and I had learned a thing or two as well. About 2 1/2 years ago decided to make my own router/web/email/etc server and been loving it ever since (using Clark connect). With my interest in XBoxes already being high, the addition of the ability to run Linux on it made me appreciate it even more. Now I use it 80% of the time, FC2 being my current distro of choice, running it on 2 desktops, 1 laptop, and 1 PVR (Myth TV). 2 XBoxes run Xebian (one for fun, one is a front-end to my Myth TV server.) Some friends and I have also decided to setup a testing wifi network with WRT54G Linksys routers, so there's alot more too look forward to. Hope if I'm able to I can help others on here and at the meetings. Sorry if I got a bit long-winded, bad habit I know. Tom E. Craddock, Jr. sigtom@sigtom.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 19:24:24 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95NONJN000577 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:24:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i95NOD2M000576 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:24:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95NO3JN000572 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:24:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95NMrbL009245 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:23:33 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com ([66.252.134.3]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95NMR26008511 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:22:49 -0400 Received: from pcp03955260pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.56.208] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CEydS-0002Ud-SE for slug@nks.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:22:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <20041005222402.84812.qmail@web41805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041005222402.84812.qmail@web41805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-9HHV3zgrTUsCC6E1RaKg" Organization: I.T. Are Belonging To Us Message-Id: <1097018545.4258.5.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:22:25 -0400 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.757, required 6, AWL -0.94, BAYES_40 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-9HHV3zgrTUsCC6E1RaKg Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 18:24, Steven Buehler wrote: > --- "Bryan J. Smith" wrote: > > 2) I didn't know Microsoft had _any_ products in the high-end server > > market? >=20 > Does Windows Server 2003 ring a bell? Not sure which smart aleck remark to use so you can have a choice: 1. No, but it sets off alarms. 2. Isn't that a 32 bit virus cured by installing Linux? The Logan --=20 19:20:01 up 8 days, 20:35, 3 users, load average: 0.40, 0.25, 0.26 Its not rocket surgery. -- Eggo Commercial ICQ: 72101412 AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Jabber: logantheclever Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-9HHV3zgrTUsCC6E1RaKg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBYyyw3OecGqSbkyMRAp4AAJ9LI+BHgNGQaK0wRdxAabMZD9SWCgCgpklo HxXGVVTWstYKQ1NnpAKaGfU= =60DY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-9HHV3zgrTUsCC6E1RaKg-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 19:26:42 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95NQgJN000622 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:26:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i95NQfpJ000621 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:26:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95NQZJN000617 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:26:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95NQYbL009364 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:26:35 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95NQD26008941 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:26:17 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=apotheon.com) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CEyh5-0006Bt-Ak for slug@nks.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 16:26:07 -0700 Message-ID: <41632F00.4070509@apotheon.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:32:16 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040306) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rotten floppy disk References: <20041005130602.53454.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041005130602.53454.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.956, required 6, AWL 0.31, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net perthie wrote: > at first it sounds like a backward cable (or backward connector on the > motherboard itself). it could also be that the motherboard has a factory > defect (such as the floppy drive controller). you may want to try > flashing the bios to see if that corrects the problem. if not, i'd get > an RMA on the motherboard. Has anyone suggested simply checking the BIOS/CMOS settings? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 19:41:37 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95NfaJN000740 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:41:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i95Nfa3e000739 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:41:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i95NfUJN000735 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:41:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95NfTbP009935 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:41:29 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i95NekHt012239 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:40:50 -0400 Received: from user-0c6su66.cable.mindspring.com ([24.110.120.198] helo=[172.24.24.192]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CEyvF-0004rI-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 16:40:45 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20041005222402.84812.qmail@web41805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041005222402.84812.qmail@web41805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097019643.3430.379.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:40:44 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.23, required 6, FU_WITH_ID 0.23) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 18:24, Steven Buehler wrote: > Most of AT&T's server environment is Windows or UNIX-based. If I say I believe you on that point (I don't know either way), can we stop talking about servers? From the article I read: http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aZ2JnBlm5tOs&refer=us It looks like the current testing is a _desktop_ consideration for its 70,000 PCs. I don't want to argue, and I'm trying to be nice. But I'm kinda shocked when I see Linux enthusiasts not realizing just how far Linux adoption has _already_ gone. This isn't about just servers anymore, we're talking widespread adoption on the enterprise _desktop_. Linux has already infiltrated the server, control and embedded systems market. And this is more than just as a web server, but as a server and services platform for everything from aerospace to, indeed, the major telecom carriers. Really the only remaining users are the SMBs (small to medium businesses) and consumers that have not brought Linux internally (although a majority outsource various IT capabilities to 3rd parties who run Linux). > Does Windows Server 2003 ring a bell? NT 5.1 (XP/2003) is no different than NT 5.0 (2000) in its scalability. There are extremely few vendors who offer the Datacenter version. The main reason is that the Intel AGTL+ (IA-32/Xeon) platform does not scale well beyond 2 CPUs or 4GB of RAM. Not even IA-32e "64-bit extensions" does, and won't until Intel puts IA-32e processors on the AGTL+ (32/36-bit) to Infiniband (50-bit) platform that was actually designed for a 64-bit processor (hence why it is used by Itanium). Until then, even IA-32e is still "4GB server platform." As such, Windows is still years away from competing with traditional UNIX from the traditional RISC vendors. Now Intel does offer the full Infiniband/IA-64 (50-bit Itanium) platform, at extraordinary cost. Some have gone that route, as Itanium _did_ offer a compelling option before Opteron appeared. Now that the HyperTransport/x86-64 (48-bit Opteron) platform is here, even Sun is phasing out SPARC, let alone Infiniband/IA-64 co-designer HP is now dropping IA-64 products due to lack of sales while introducing more Opteron solutions. Basically everyone but IBM, who is sticking with Power/AIX and, to a lesser extent, Power/Linux. Many RISC/UNIX vendors already have codebases that scale quite well. They were designed for NUMA, point-to-point and segmented interconnects, etc... Concepts that are very foreign to Windows releases -- all but Datacenter that must be heavily customized by the OEM (not Microsoft). Must of this was already built on Digital's Alpha work in the late '90s, but it's still not anywhere near what VMS or Tru64 could do. Even the Linux kernel is not comparable to these solutions ... yet. Now Linux 2.6 really "changes the ballgame" with its inherent support for processor affinity -- both for programs and memory scheduling as well as I/O, among other major VM/Scheduler overhauls. Especially in the case of HyperTransport/x86-64's I/O memory management unit, I/O MMU -- something both the current Win/x86-64 beta release and IA-32e processors lack alike. It's "getting there." The big issue with Windows is that Win32 has never been very "64-bit clean" -- let alone Microsoft has relied on the fact that IA-32 (x86) has _never_ required any considerations for data alignment, until x86-64 "Long" mode (among other issues with the 48-bit addressing of x86-64 in an attempt to maintain i486 TLB compatibility). So most vendors are left to develop not only the 64-bit applications, but the 64-bit library support for themselves unfortunately, because Microsoft does not and cannot address the issue themselves (much like they didn't for Win16 when NT 3.1 came out with Win32). And as long as Microsoft continues to play games with its NT release for HyperTransport/x86-64 (48-bit Opteron) platform, just like NT 3.1/3.5 a decade earlier, we're getting things like WoW (Win32 on Win64) aren't going to cut it (just like Win16 on Win32 didn't either). Which brings me to NT 6.0 "Longhorn." .NET was a great new API introduced in 2001, with the eventual plan that it would replace Win32 by the release of "Longhorn" by mid this decade. But so was Win32 introduced in 1991, with the eventual plan that it would replace DOS/Win16 by the release of "Cairo" by mid last decade. But like Win32, compatibility started to reign supreme, and the new "NT" codebase took a backseat to the DOS "Chicago" team and "Cairo" never came to be. We are now seeing a 100% repeat of this with "Longhorn" -- a main difference being that Microsoft did not even attempt to introduce a "pure .NET" platform, because they knew it would only be tainted with Win32 hacks, just like NT was with DOS/Win16 hacks into Win32. The result is no scalability, no security and no control over a spagetti API. By its very nature and completely reliance on security-ignorant APIs across the entire line, it is technically impossible for Windows Server to be "high-end" period. Hence why Microsoft bought VirtualPC, and has pushed for Intel and AMD to introduce hardware-based virtualization, because it knows the only way to scale is to virtualize. Because Windows is incapable of scaling to typical offerings of UNIX shared memory systems. The GNU/POSIX API and Linux platform is, however, capable. It's just not there yet, but closing fast on most mature UNIX codebases. -- Bryan J. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 20:07:00 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9606nJN000919 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:06:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9606nVH000918 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:06:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9606bJN000914 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:06:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9606abN010895 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:06:37 -0400 Received: from blackadder.aqhostdns.com (blackadder.aqhostdns.com [63.247.129.138]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9606P26014707 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:06:25 -0400 Received: from wbar11.tampa1-4-4-131-177.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.4.131.177] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by blackadder.aqhostdns.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.42) id 1CEzJr-0007um-E3 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:06:11 -0400 Message-ID: <41633658.40106@roblimo.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:03:36 -0400 From: "Robin \"Roblimo\" Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040819 Debian/1.7.2-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement References: <20041005222402.84812.qmail@web41805.mail.yahoo.com> <1097019643.3430.379.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> In-Reply-To: <1097019643.3430.379.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned and found to be clean by AQHost - http://www.AQHost.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - blackadder.aqhostdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=9.96, required 6, AWL -2.48, BAYES_99 5.40, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >It looks like the current testing is a _desktop_ consideration for its >70,000 PCs. I don't want to argue, and I'm trying to be nice. But I'm >kinda shocked when I see Linux enthusiasts not realizing just how far >Linux adoption has _already_ gone. This isn't about just servers >anymore, we're talking widespread adoption on the enterprise _desktop_. > Note that it's just testing, with a decision not anticipated until late 2005. Note too that saying "Boo! Linux!" to a Microsoft rep can lead to large discounts, especially when you talk about 70,000 desktops and you're the highest-paid CIO in the U.S. Let's not jump up and down, yelling "Oh, boy! A big win for Linux!" quite yet. Except Logan -- as long as I have time to set lighting and white-balance my video camera first. - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 20:23:30 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i960NUJN001043 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:23:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i960NTXP001042 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:23:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i960NSJN001038 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:23:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i960NRbN011651 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:23:28 -0400 Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i960N826017429 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:23:12 -0400 Received: from user-0c6su66.cable.mindspring.com ([24.110.120.198] helo=[172.24.24.192]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CEzaF-0001TA-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 17:23:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1097018545.4258.5.camel@sirus> References: <20041005222402.84812.qmail@web41805.mail.yahoo.com> <1097018545.4258.5.camel@sirus> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097022186.3430.412.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:23:06 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.358, required 6, AWL 0.36, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net "Bryan J. Smith" wrote: > 2) I didn't know Microsoft had _any_ products in the high-end server > market? Steven Buehler wrote: > Does Windows Server 2003 ring a bell? Logan Tygart wrote: > Not sure which smart aleck remark to use so you can have a choice: > 1. No, but it sets off alarms. > 2. Isn't that a 32 bit virus cured by installing Linux? It's frustrating enough to go to largely Microsoft-centric clients sites and try to break their assumptions about Windows, Linux and various products. I do my best. I wear my MCSE shirts, I flash all of my _current_ Microsoft credentials (as well as the other 20 from 6 other companies), the various, major Fortune 100 projects I've been on and finally proceed to "break down" the "marketing" into basic "technologies" and what things actually do. But what really drives me bonkers is when Linux enthusiasts themselves assume that Linux hasn't infiltrated every company. Heck, even Microsoft outsources major services and capabilities to companies that are primarily Linux. I remember being in on a recent project where IBM, Microsoft, Novell and other companies were pitching ideas. I was brought in as an independent consultant to "break down" everything for the client. At one point, a set of correspondence was going back and forth with Microsoft over single sign-on (SSO) where I just had to "cut it loose." I directly asked someone "off-the-record," "well, what are you using out at Aikami to do this?" After denial after denial, I finally got some admissions. In the end, they were wondering where I got my info. It's really hard to come by -- you'll _never_ find this in the media because it means certain and costly legal action by Microsoft against any contractor who discloses it. But in the end, when the client decided to go with Microsoft, my "insider information" on how much "integration" Microsoft has with Sun, Java and Linux internally will benefit the integration of their solutions at this client. The common assumption is that Microsoft doesn't use what it doesn't create. The reality is that Microsoft is an investment company that outsources everything, including it's own IT capabilities. At most, it maintains "technology fronts" for PR, like Best Buy, which are actually case studies of how poor their own technology actually works. But it's very hard to come by this information -- NDAs and threats to pull ads from the media keep it under wraps. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 20:29:25 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i960TOJN001101 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:29:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i960TO30001100 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:29:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i960THJN001095 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:29:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i960TCbL011849 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:29:12 -0400 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i960SnHt023411 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:28:49 -0400 Received: from user-0c6su66.cable.mindspring.com ([24.110.120.198] helo=[172.24.24.192]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CEzfd-00002S-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 17:28:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <41633658.40106@roblimo.com> References: <20041005222402.84812.qmail@web41805.mail.yahoo.com> <1097019643.3430.379.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <41633658.40106@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097022520.3430.418.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:28:41 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 20:03, Robin "Roblimo" Miller wrote: > Note that it's just testing, with a decision not anticipated until late > 2005. Correct. But it is regarding the desktop, not the server. Linux enthusiasts should believe that Linux has not already penetrated the server in the overwhelming majority of Fortune 500 companies. And they do their damnest to cover it. Especially when the recent, even if almost laughable, "indemification" issue in the air. > Note too that saying "Boo! Linux!" to a Microsoft rep can lead to large > discounts, especially when you talk about 70,000 desktops and you're the > highest-paid CIO in the U.S. Yep. Many companies have done this, and will continue to do so. > Let's not jump up and down, yelling "Oh, boy! A big win for Linux!" > quite yet. I wasn't. But I was saying it's centered on the corporate desktop, not the server. That's the new battleground. Microsoft's TCO studies aren't cutting it because they leave a lot of considerations out. So while I do agree a lot of these are "boo! we want discounts," that's getting old for Microsoft really quick. The games will continue for a few more years, but there are a lot of integrations you don't ever hear of. And these key integrations are what is driving many others. > Except Logan -- as long as I have time to set lighting and white-balance > my video camera first. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 5 20:29:31 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i960TUJN001108 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:29:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i960TUQO001107 for slug-track29; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:29:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i960TSJN001103 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:29:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i960TSbN011855 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:29:28 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i960TN26018199 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:29:23 -0400 Received: from user-0c6su66.cable.mindspring.com ([24.110.120.198] helo=[172.24.24.192]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CEzgI-0006rL-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 17:29:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement (correction) From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1097022520.3430.418.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <20041005222402.84812.qmail@web41805.mail.yahoo.com> <1097019643.3430.379.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <41633658.40106@roblimo.com> <1097022520.3430.418.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097022561.3430.420.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:29:21 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.352, required 6, AWL 0.35, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 20:28, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Correct. But it is regarding the desktop, not the server. Linux > enthusiasts should believe that Linux has not already penetrated the > server in the overwhelming majority of Fortune 500 companies. Er, that should read "should not believe" -- doh! -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 6 00:00:26 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9640LJN002576 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:00:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9640Ftu002575 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:00:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i96409JN002571 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:00:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i96407bL019998 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:00:08 -0400 Received: from new.owlriver.com (new.owlriver.com [66.195.224.112]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i963xlHt003313 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:59:48 -0400 Received: from newross.rossberry.private (dhcp024-208-129-133.insight.rr.com [24.208.129.133]) by new.owlriver.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i963xkxX006990 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:59:47 -0400 Received: from newross.rossberry.private (IDENT:COdZe9DVc0Y7yKyIE8x9tyXiVNG+UV0R@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by newross.rossberry.private (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i963xkaQ019370 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:59:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (jawildman@localhost) by newross.rossberry.private (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id i963xfMf019366 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:59:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: newross.rossberry.private: jawildman owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:59:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Wildman X-X-Sender: jawildman@newross.rossberry.private To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement In-Reply-To: <1097019643.3430.379.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: References: <20041005222402.84812.qmail@web41805.mail.yahoo.com> <1097019643.3430.379.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.699, required 6, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > It looks like the current testing is a _desktop_ consideration for its > 70,000 PCs. I don't want to argue, and I'm trying to be nice. But I'm > kinda shocked when I see Linux enthusiasts not realizing just how far > Linux adoption has _already_ gone. This isn't about just servers > anymore, we're talking widespread adoption on the enterprise _desktop_. I think we will be seeing some major announcements (or rumors) in the next 12-16 months on the desktop for the following reasons. 1) Cost. Savvy CIO's know that Windows on the desktop costs them everyday, 24 hours a day. Software management suites, virus suites, email suites, addon's here and addon's there, viruses, trojans, etc. Not to mention the lost productivity when machines reboot, etc. 2) PHB comfort level with Open Source. This is going up all the time. They've nibbled around the edges, found it tasty, then bit off some bigger chunks and come back for more. (And the techs just keep cooking up some more!!) 3) Standardization of the corporate intranet. The company that I work at has a huge issue with IE specific coding of our internal applications. Some (but not all) of the development teams have spent the last 2 years moving to standards compliant coding practices, etc. I'm sure other companies face the same issue. And it is not really a cost issue. You can't hire and manage enough people to recode 5 years of internal development spread across thousands of servers and get it all done in 12 months..even if someone had the audacity to try. But some companies HAVE gotten the message and reworked their internal apps (IBM for instance). Once that work is in place, then you can switch 200,000 desktops much more easily. 4) Realization that 'good enough' costs a lot less than 'the latest thing'. With all due respect to owners of luxury cars, the groceries you bring home are the same ones I put in the trunk of my Saturn. Dollar bills don't care how many bells and whistles the operating system that processes them has. 5) Realization that the platform of choice for many of the best and brightest to develop on is Gnu/Linux and especially LAMP. Why spend money to get a development environment, then spend money to get the programmers trained, then pay license fees to deploy the application when we can just use LAMP? Very few people have a WebSphere development environment at home that they code at for fun. Lots of people have Tomcat. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE jim@rossberry.com http://www.rossberry.com "Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." Thomas Paine ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 6 00:58:12 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i964wBJN002955 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:58:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i964w3Cv002954 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:58:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i964w1JN002946 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:58:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i964vpbL022876 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:57:51 -0400 Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i964vQHt019249 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:57:27 -0400 Received: from user-0c6su66.cable.mindspring.com ([24.110.120.198] helo=[172.24.24.192]) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CF3ri-0005eT-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:57:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: <20041005222402.84812.qmail@web41805.mail.yahoo.com> <1097019643.3430.379.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097038645.3430.544.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 00:57:25 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 23:59, Jim Wildman wrote: > I think we will be seeing some major announcements (or rumors) in the > next 12-16 months on the desktop for the following reasons. Ditto ... > 1) Cost ... You hit the _real_ "TCO" nail right on the head. > 2) PHB comfort level with Open Source ... Also a major factor. Conservative moves, a growing professional base, etc... it doesn't happen overnight. > 3) Standardization of the corporate intranet ... Again, you hit the nail there. The second I saw Boeing snub Microsoft's XML efforts and supporting the standardization OASIS submission of Sun's OpenOffice XML, I _knew_ this was going to change for the better in the near future. Companies _refuse_ to put their IP in a Hostageware format or system, including Microsoft's XML system that requires their closed MS Office back-end at the core. > 4) Realization that 'good enough' costs a lot less than 'the latest > thing'... I actually disagree with you here. I believe there is the _falsehood_ that somehow Freedomware apps are "not as capable" or "not as featured" as Commerceware or Hostageware ones. God knows I personally and professionally adopted StarImpress back in the mid-'90s because it was superior to MS PowerPoint, and the word processor and spreadsheet were just as capable as Microsoft's equivalents. Standardware StarOffice and Freedomware OpenOffice.org _does_ have the "bells and whistles" but they are different (and incompatible) with Hostageware MS Office. Which is more of an issue with #3 than a separate one. We need to educate Windows users on the fact that there _are_ "just as luxury apps" in the Freedomware/Standardware world as the Commerceware/Hostageware one. Sun's _free_, on-line, 4 hour training on Migrating from MS Office to StarOffice is one to point them towards. ;-ppp > With all due respect to owners of luxury cars, the groceries > you bring home are the same ones I put in the trunk of my Saturn. > Dollar bills don't care how many bells and whistles the operating system > that processes them has. My wife's Pontaic Grand Am (OpenOffice) or a Pontaic Grand Prix (StarOffice) does the job for many general tasks as well as Oldsmobile's Aurora (MS Office), but I still drive my B2300 pick-up (LyX, Scribus) far more when I need to haul some serious documentation. The Grand Am, Grand Prix or Aurora can't haul the size I require and will only get scratched up in any attempt to do so. > 5) Realization that the platform of choice for many of the best and > brightest to develop on is Gnu/Linux and especially LAMP. Why spend > money to get a development environment, then spend money to get the > programmers trained, then pay license fees to deploy the application > when we can just use LAMP? Very few people have a WebSphere development > environment at home that they code at for fun. Lots of people have > Tomcat. BTW, what do you think of Red Hat's recent move to support JOnAS alongside Tomcat, instead of other, popular Freedomware solutions? -- Bryan J. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 6 01:14:09 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i965E9JN003072 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:14:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i965E8Ru003071 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:14:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i965E7JN003067 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:14:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i965E6bN023482 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:14:06 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i965Dr26029455 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:13:54 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=apotheon.com) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CF47M-0007j8-ED for slug@nks.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:13:36 -0700 Message-ID: <41638073.4010906@apotheon.com> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 01:19:47 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040306) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: AT&T Testing Linux as Windows Replacement References: <20041005222402.84812.qmail@web41805.mail.yahoo.com> <1097019643.3430.379.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097038645.3430.544.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> In-Reply-To: <1097038645.3430.544.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.746, required 6, AWL -0.49, BAYES_60 1.59, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 23:59, Jim Wildman wrote: [snip] >>4) Realization that 'good enough' costs a lot less than 'the latest >>thing'... > > > I actually disagree with you here. I believe there is the _falsehood_ > that somehow Freedomware apps are "not as capable" or "not as featured" > as Commerceware or Hostageware ones. I think the intended point there wasn't that open source stuff isn't as fully featured or cutting edge, but that often it's much cheaper to work with an OS that will keep on working even if you don't upgrade to the newest version, rather than using Windows and having to migrate your business every three years to an entirely new OS. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 6 01:17:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i965H4JN003094 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:17:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i965H4Yg003093 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:17:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i965GvJN003085 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:16:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i965GubL023580 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:16:57 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i965GZ26029863 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:16:36 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CF4AG-0002Lo-Gr for slug@nks.net; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 00:16:36 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Doom3 Linux Binaries released Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:16:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <1a3a3e3104100420282e310d77@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e3104100420282e310d77@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410060116.31746.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.328, required 6, AWL -1.63, BAYES_70 2.25, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 04 October 2004 11:28 pm, Levi Bard wrote: > http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/ > > If anybody's interested. Thanks for notice! When Doom originally came out I once spent 12 hours 7pm - 7am, finishing all the levels with a friend over the office LAN, and intercom. After all, we were on the same side. That was the beginning of my LAN playing. It was so much fun that since then, with the relatively few games I've bought, my dollar is probably exclusively spent on network capable s/w. Teaming up, and in this case going after the baddies, is the ultimate experience on computer gaming. After a quick evaluation I decided to d/l the demo and check it out. It was a lot of fun! Great graphics and, not too weak of a story. I'd love to see a map of the labyrinth you go through! Hehe. It's pretty easy to loose your heading as you descend into this Mars base. The full version is supposed to run for 20 hours. The demo had me busy for about 2. I installed and ran it not as root as they suggested, but as a user. It asks for the install dir and I simply gave it one of my home dir. The links also pointed to the home dir. But I ended up entering the sub dir it creates and execute it from there. When a game, which I download from the Internet, asks me for the root password I get very weary, and usually don't. Unless you're playing on a shared Linux box there's no need to install it under /usr/local/games as it suggest. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 6 01:49:58 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i965nvJN003324 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:49:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i965nvfv003323 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:49:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i965nuJN003319 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:49:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i965ntbL025126 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:49:55 -0400 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i965nYHt031362 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:49:34 -0400 Received: from user-0c6su66.cable.mindspring.com ([24.110.120.198] helo=[172.24.24.192]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CF4g9-0007AP-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:49:33 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Doom3 Linux Binaries released From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410060116.31746.steve@szmidt.org> References: <1a3a3e3104100420282e310d77@mail.gmail.com> <200410060116.31746.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097041772.3430.565.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 01:49:32 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 01:16, steve szmidt wrote: > I installed and ran it not as root as they suggested, but as a user. It asks > for the install dir and I simply gave it one of my home dir. The links also > pointed to the home dir. But I ended up entering the sub dir it creates and > execute it from there. All games seem to install and run fine as unprivileged users. The only kicker is if you want them installed in a general area. So I often install as a non-root user, but I chmod 1777 /usr/local/games (ugo+rwx with sticky bit so only the owner can delete). That has always done the trick for me. Another option is to setup a dedicated "usrlocal" account that owns the /usr/local tree, and install any such apps there as that user. > When a game, which I download from the Internet, asks me for the root password > I get very weary, and usually don't. Which is always a good idea. And although everyone went bonkers some 4+ years ago when Loki game up with its embedded GTK+ in a bash script as "finally, a good installer for Linux," I don't think they realize it is still a major security risk to do such. > Unless you're playing on a shared Linux box there's no need to install it > under /usr/local/games as it suggest. It's nice for when multiple users want to run the binary on the system. But, again, either setting up and installing with a dedicated user with ownership over the /usr/local tree or chmod 1777 /usr/local/games will do the trick. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 6 12:31:28 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i96GVRJN007716 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:31:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i96GVRmw007715 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:31:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i96GVPJN007711 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:31:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i96GVJbL019435 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:31:19 -0400 Received: from web41827.mail.yahoo.com (web41827.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.94.161]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i96GV426002137 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:31:04 -0400 Message-ID: <20041006163100.89368.qmail@web41827.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.128.134.68] by web41827.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:31:00 PDT X-RocketYMMF: swbuehler Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:31:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Buehler Subject: [SLUG] More on the AT&T OS Story To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I've picked up some more on the AT&T story about looking at different OSs, and it's apparently the fact they are comparing Linux, MacOS X, and Windows; and a company spokesperson has stated that the likelihood of changing from Windows to something else is small, "because Microsoft is addressing many of problems associated with its desktop software, including security flaws that leave it particularly vulnerable to viruses." (yeah right) ===== Steven W. Buehler | steven@sanctuaryweb.org --------------------------------- Personal Home Page: http://www.sanctuaryweb.org | Music Home Page: http://renaitre.iuma.com Yahoo! Messenger: swbuehler | AOL Instant Messenger: stevenbuehlerfl | MSN Messenger: stevenwbuehler@msn.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 6 14:49:56 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i96InpJN008581 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:49:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i96InjMD008580 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:49:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i96IndJN008576 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:49:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i96IncbL025260 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:49:38 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i96InPHt007994 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:49:25 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.194] (rrcs-24-173-160-10.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.160.10]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i96InNZn013393 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] More on the AT&T OS Story From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20041006163100.89368.qmail@web41827.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041006163100.89368.qmail@web41827.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Self Message-Id: <1097088133.2293.142.camel@patriux.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:42:14 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 12:31, Steven Buehler wrote: > I've picked up some more on the AT&T story about looking at different OSs, and > it's apparently the fact they are comparing Linux, MacOS X, and Windows; and a > company spokesperson has stated that the likelihood of changing from Windows to > something else is small, "because Microsoft is addressing many of problems > associated with its desktop software, including security flaws that leave it > particularly vulnerable to viruses." (yeah right) The design of Windows makes it impossible to address it. I have detailed this again and again since the mid-'90s. But companies will assume otherwise, again and again. Being Christmas around the corner ... It's beginning to look a lot like Cairo ... every-where Longhorn goes. MS IE integration controls the platform, so applications heed no security storm, And the Windows executive trusts the MZ show! It's beginning to look a lot like Cairo ... every-where .NET blows. They've relicensed Java yet again, root privilege is still not a sin, And no new OS means compatibility runs solo! It's beginning to look a lot like Cairo ... every-where the dev-kits show. .NET components can be found no where, another big DOS/Win16 compatibility scare, And nevermind WinFS, Avalon or even Indigooooo! -- Linux Enthusiasts call me anti-Linux. Windows Enthusisats call me anti-Microsoft. They both must be correct because I have over a decade of experience with both in mission critical environments, resulting in a bigotry dedicated to mitigating risk and focusing on technologies ... not products or vendors -------------------------------------------------- Bryan J. Smith, E.I. b.j.smith at ieee.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 6 14:50:02 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i96Io0JN008587 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:50:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i96IntGX008586 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:49:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i96InnJN008582 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:49:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i96InlbL025265 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:49:48 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i96InY26023559 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:49:34 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CC1FFA37 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:49:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Galeon, may I have a dog, please? Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:54:16 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.299, required 6, AWL -0.66, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, SARE_SUB_COMMA_LEAD 0.86) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i96InnJN008583 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I even closed all windows except for the last one. Using an AMD Duron 950MHz w/512 SDRAM, Galeon 1.3.17 goes "woof woof!" >From "top -d0 -p9388" 9388 user 15 0 308m 190m 37m S 0.0 37.8 2269:23 galeon With "top" and then hitting "M" 9388 user 15 0 308m 190m 37m S 5.3 37.8 2269:33 galeon 5.3% CPU and 37.8% memory! What should I do? I like the browser, but Gecko has always "crapped the bed" with me. /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 6 15:10:20 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i96JA9JN008750 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:10:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i96JA9lG008747 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:10:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i96J9tJN008722 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:09:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i96J9obL026093 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:09:50 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i96J9dHt012837 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:09:40 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE20FFA08 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:09:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] New Subscriber Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:14:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <1097018479.4164.13.camel@thor> In-Reply-To: <1097018479.4164.13.camel@thor> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410061514.26972.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.501, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FB_NIGERIAN1 0.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Welcome! This is a good bunch from the Linux community. I'm glad you're attending the face-to-face meetings. Not only do you get a lot of your questions answered, but you also get to "powwow" with faces that would otherwise be known as email addresses. I don't know about the Brandon meetings since I've only attended Pinellas County's and Tampa. Tom E. Craddock: "Sorry if I got a bit long-winded, bad habit I know." Don't apologize. I gather you haven't read any of BS's posts :-) Verbose is OK. /mario On Tuesday 05 October 2004 19:21, Tom E. Craddock, Jr. wrote: > Hi > > Just wanted to introduce myself, my name is Tom Craddock, Jr. > Recently found the SLUG website and signed up for the mailing list > today. I hope Ill be able to attend the SLUG meeting in Brandon this > Thursday night (Oct 7, 2004). Do many people on the list attend that > one? I am new to LUGs, but am looking forward to meeting other OS users > in the community. > > A lil info about my nix experience, been using it one form or another > for about 3 years straight, dabbled in it back in 95-96, but could never > get it to work then, so when I finally got back into it, I was > pleasantly surprised to learn it had become a bit more friendlier, and I > had learned a thing or two as well. About 2 1/2 years ago decided to > make my own router/web/email/etc server and been loving it ever since > (using Clark connect). With my interest in XBoxes already being high, > the addition of the ability to run Linux on it made me appreciate it > even more. Now I use it 80% of the time, FC2 being my current distro of > choice, running it on 2 desktops, 1 laptop, and 1 PVR (Myth TV). 2 > XBoxes run Xebian (one for fun, one is a front-end to my Myth TV > server.) Some friends and I have also decided to setup a testing wifi > network with WRT54G Linksys routers, so there's alot more too look > forward to. Hope if I'm able to I can help others on here and at the > meetings. Sorry if I got a bit long-winded, bad habit I know. > > Tom E. Craddock, Jr. > sigtom@sigtom.com > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 6 16:21:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i96KL9JN009198 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:21:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i96KKtqi009197 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:20:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i96KKnJN009193 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:20:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i96KKhbZ029159 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:20:45 -0400 Received: from starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net (starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.227]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i96KKX26005653 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:20:33 -0400 Received: from rrcs-24-173-160-10.se.biz.rr.com ([24.173.160.10] helo=[192.168.0.194]) by starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFIH3-0001CY-Hz for slug@nks.net; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:20:33 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: New Subscriber -- I am BS From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410061514.26972.mario@alienscience.com> References: <1097018479.4164.13.camel@thor> <200410061514.26972.mario@alienscience.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Self Message-Id: <1097093592.2293.199.camel@patriux.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:13:12 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79cccba58d7c0daeda4ef6030f252235cb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.173.160.10 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.212, required 6, AWL -0.21, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 15:14, Mario Lombardo wrote: > Don't apologize. I gather you haven't read any of BS's posts :-) It represents far more than just my initials. ;-ppp Gotta keep the rep up, it's been slipping as of late! And some LUGs have named off-topic lists after me too. E.g., LEAPBS -- LEAP says it means "Banished Subjects." Yeah, that's looks like a forced acronym to noobs as well. ;-ppp -- Compatibility and update matrix of Red Hat(R) distributions: http://www.vaporwarelabs.com/files/temp/RH-Distribution-FAQ-3.html http://www.vaporwarelabs.com/files/temp/RH-Distribution-FAQ-4.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ Bryan J. Smith, E.I. b.j.smith at ieee.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 6 16:47:35 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i96KlYJN009380 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:47:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i96KlYUG009379 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:47:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i96KlRJN009375 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:47:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i96KlRbL030295 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:47:27 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i96KlCHt002909 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:47:12 -0400 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i96KlAZn006524 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000b01c4abe5$a6e1e8a0$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <1097018479.4164.13.camel@thor> <200410061514.26972.mario@alienscience.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] New Subscriber Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:47:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I don't know about the Brandon meetings since I've only attended Pinellas > County's and Tampa. > > today. I hope Ill be able to attend the SLUG meeting in Brandon this > > Thursday night (Oct 7, 2004). Do many people on the list attend that > > one? > > > > Tom E. Craddock, Jr. > > sigtom@sigtom.com I hope to make the Brandon meeting. There are usually at least 15 there and often they have nice raffle prizes, and a good discussion of new things by Bill Preece. It's in the rear, left side, of the Brandon Barnes and Noble, in the cookbook area. The Tampa meetings are back, but on 2d Tuesday (instead of Wednesday), according to Wayne Pollock they will be in Rm 108 of Student Services (the Admin bldg). Unfortunately neither site has any wired Net access. - Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 6 18:39:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i96MdjJN010105 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:39:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i96Mdipv010104 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:39:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i96MdcJN010100 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:39:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i96MdWbL002436 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:39:38 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i96MdQ26027209 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:39:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 11934 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2004 22:39:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.16.56.69) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2004 22:39:26 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 82476125325; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:38:46 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Galeon, may I have a dog, please? Message-ID: <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.479, required 6, AWL 0.68, BAYES_30 -0.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 02:54:16PM -0400, Mario Lombardo wrote: > I even closed all windows except for the last one. Using an AMD Duron 950MHz > w/512 SDRAM, Galeon 1.3.17 goes "woof woof!" > > >From "top -d0 -p9388" > 9388 user 15 0 308m 190m 37m S 0.0 37.8 2269:23 galeon > > With "top" and then hitting "M" > 9388 user 15 0 308m 190m 37m S 5.3 37.8 2269:33 galeon > > 5.3% CPU and 37.8% memory! What should I do? I like the browser, but Gecko > has always "crapped the bed" with me. Compare it to Konqueror or Netscape. Galeon always struck me as spunky compared to the others. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 6 23:13:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i973DHJN012004 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:13:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i973DBeW012003 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:13:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i973DAJN011999 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:13:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i973D9bL013298 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:13:09 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (rrcs-67-78-17-122.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.122]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i973D426003502 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:13:04 -0400 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id 0247B20704E; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.252] (unknown [192.168.1.252]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCAD206FFC for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] New Subscriber From: "Tom E. Craddock, Jr." To: SLUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: <000b01c4abe5$a6e1e8a0$0f49490a@fifteen> References: <1097018479.4164.13.camel@thor> <200410061514.26972.mario@alienscience.com> <000b01c4abe5$a6e1e8a0$0f49490a@fifteen> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097118782.8127.3.camel@thor> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:13:02 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.249, required 6, AWL 0.25, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey Yup Ill be there tomorrow night. Ill be bringing my laptop, need to get a couple things ironed out and see if I can offer any help as well. Thats not too fun to hear about no Net access, as thats one hell of a resource to not be able to have access to esp for trying to figure stuff out...then again, we are in a Book Store, could always just go pick on up lol. Anyways, thanks for the welcome, look forward to meeting you all as I learn more and more. Tom E. Craddock, Jr. On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 16:47, Robert Foxworth wrote: > > I don't know about the Brandon meetings since I've only attended > Pinellas > > County's and Tampa. > > > > > today. I hope Ill be able to attend the SLUG meeting in Brandon > this > > > Thursday night (Oct 7, 2004). Do many people on the list attend > that > > > one? > > > > > > Tom E. Craddock, Jr. > > > sigtom@sigtom.com > > > I hope to make the Brandon meeting. There are usually at least > 15 there and often they have nice raffle prizes, and a good > discussion of new things by Bill Preece. It's in the rear, left side, > of the Brandon Barnes and Noble, in the cookbook area. > > The Tampa meetings are back, but on 2d Tuesday (instead of > Wednesday), according to Wayne Pollock they will be in Rm > 108 of Student Services (the Admin bldg). > > Unfortunately neither site has any wired Net access. > > - Bob > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 6 23:19:03 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i973J2JN012043 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:19:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i973J2NV012042 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:19:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i973IsJN012034 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:18:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i973IobL013483 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:18:50 -0400 Received: from bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.119]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i973IZ26004130 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:18:35 -0400 Received: from user-12hclcd.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.85.141] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CFOna-0005AD-00; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:18:34 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Success: serial console works... From: Russell Hires To: debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org, slug@nks.net, rjmx@rjmx.net Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097119112.833.17.camel@POET.village-smurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:18:33 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.22, required 6, AWL -0.48, BAYES_50 0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello all! A couple of weeks ago I was working with trying to get my Beige G3/266 DT to do serial output to serial console. I finally got it right, after much reading, and lots of help from this list! I don't know if changing the nvram had anything to with it, but I setenv (or whatever the command is) to ttyb (instead of ttya, since I'm lazy, and didn't want to take out the built in modem card in ttya). I'm thinking that this is for OF serial output, though, from what I was told. I have a 68k mac, running Mac OS (though I have Linux on it, too), that I installed kermit on. That's my console window. I tried minicom, and I might again, but this was simply to test that the cable worked! I have a printer cable running from the G3's printer port to the 68k's modem port. I ran kermit on both in Mac OS on both machines, again, just to test that the cable worked. It works. :) I had also been told that I need a kernel with serial console compiled in. Did not know that, so I compiled my kernel with serial console configured. In BootX, I put the line (among the other things I've got in there): console=ttyS1,9600n8. (This is the default setting for kermit, so I just used that for both sender and receiver) Click the "linux" button, and PRESTO! my kermit terminal in Mac OS on the 68k machine registers output from my G3. Unfortunately, I get to where it says "Freeing unused memory..." and there I sit. But the first part, at least, works. I'll redo my kernel and see if that has any impact. Maybe I forgot something important. Thanks to everyone who helped! Russell ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 6 23:57:54 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i973vsJN012327 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:57:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i973vrg1012326 for slug-track29; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:57:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i973vlJN012322 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:57:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i973vkbL015007 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:57:46 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i973vXHt000876 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:57:34 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so3729408rnk for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.165.36 with SMTP id n36mr1978226rne; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c9057041006205777d2bcee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:57:33 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Stopping autostart of X11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am still trying to learn the differences between SuSA and Red Hat. When I set up the SuSA install I guess I let it set it's self up to boot into X rather than a command line (my preference) I remember asking this some time back and somehow lost the response, but I can not remember what I had to comment out in order to stop the OS from starting straight into a GUI. Under RedHat I fixed it in the inittab, but under SuSA it is somewhere else and I am not sure where. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 01:01:33 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9751RJN012770 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:01:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9751RST012769 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:01:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9751PJN012765 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:01:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9751LbX018177 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:01:22 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9750nHt017036 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:00:49 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=apotheon.com) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFQOC-0001Tw-Iu for slug@nks.net; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:00:28 -0700 Message-ID: <4164CEE3.7080600@apotheon.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 01:06:43 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040306) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] More on the AT&T OS Story References: <20041006163100.89368.qmail@web41827.mail.yahoo.com> <1097088133.2293.142.camel@patriux.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1097088133.2293.142.camel@patriux.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.647, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Being Christmas around the corner ... > > It's beginning to look a lot like Cairo ... > every-where Longhorn goes. > MS IE integration controls the platform, > so applications heed no security storm, > And the Windows executive trusts the MZ show! > > It's beginning to look a lot like Cairo ... > every-where .NET blows. > They've relicensed Java yet again, > root privilege is still not a sin, > And no new OS means compatibility runs solo! > > It's beginning to look a lot like Cairo ... > every-where the dev-kits show. > .NET components can be found no where, > another big DOS/Win16 compatibility scare, > And nevermind WinFS, Avalon or even Indigooooo! > > While I appreciate the sentiment . . . don't quit your day job. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 01:20:04 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i975K4JN012901 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:20:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i975K3UX012884 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:20:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i975K0JN012874 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:20:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i975JxbT019171 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:19:59 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i975JB26026321 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:19:11 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i975J9B8004291 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:20:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Stopping autostart of X11 In-Reply-To: <620c9057041006205777d2bcee@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: I am still trying to learn the differences between SuSA and Red Hat. > When I set up the SuSA install I guess I let it set it's self up to boot > into X rather than a command line (my preference) I remember asking this > some time back and somehow lost the response, but I can not remember > what I had to comment out in order to stop the OS from starting straight > into a GUI. Under RedHat I fixed it in the inittab, but under SuSA it is > somewhere else and I am not sure where. Are you sure it's not in /etc/inittab? Else, look for a file /etc/rc.d/(init.d/)?dm and make it non-executable, or maybe there's a link to it in rc3.d . If you find out its filename ("foo" for /etc/rc.d/(init.d/)foo), then you can try "chkconfig --del foo". You can always get to a console login even if X starts; ctrl-alt-F[1-6], but that probably isn't sufficient. :-) -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Drive nail here > < for new monitor. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 01:38:33 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i975cWJN013027 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:38:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i975cRgZ013026 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:38:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i975cKJN013022 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:38:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i975cKbL020181 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:38:20 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i975cB26029029 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:38:11 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so3736273rnk for ; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.152.63 with SMTP id z63mr1333166rnd; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c9057041006223843d79549@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:38:04 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Stopping autostart of X11 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <620c9057041006205777d2bcee@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.897, required 6, AWL 0.63, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:20:56 -0400 (EDT), Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > I am still trying to learn the differences between SuSA and Red Hat. > > When I set up the SuSA install I guess I let it set it's self up to boot > > into X rather than a command line (my preference) I remember asking this > > some time back and somehow lost the response, but I can not remember > > what I had to comment out in order to stop the OS from starting straight > > into a GUI. Under RedHat I fixed it in the inittab, but under SuSA it is > > somewhere else and I am not sure where. > > Are you sure it's not in /etc/inittab? Else, look for a file This is where I always went in to kill it in RH stuff. I would get handed a machine at work that would boot to a GUI and the first thing I do is go make it boot to a cmd line. SuSA hides it elsewhere. > /etc/rc.d/(init.d/)?dm and make it non-executable, or maybe there's a link > to it in rc3.d . If you find out its filename ("foo" for > /etc/rc.d/(init.d/)foo), then you can try "chkconfig --del foo". > > You can always get to a console login even if X starts; ctrl-alt-F[1-6], > but that probably isn't sufficient. :-) In RH it is a level 5 respawn that I always commented out. I do recall that was somewhere else on SuSA. If I can just figure out where it is and comment it out. I like to log in at the cmd line and then do a startx if I need the gui. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 02:01:04 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97613JN013198 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 02:01:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9760wGu013193 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 02:00:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9760qJN013189 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 02:00:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9760pbR020941 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 02:00:51 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9760i26032240 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 02:00:44 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9760glN025020 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 02:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 02:02:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Stopping autostart of X11 In-Reply-To: <620c9057041006223843d79549@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:20:56 -0400 (EDT), Eben King > wrote: > > > > /etc/rc.d/(init.d/)?dm and make it non-executable, or maybe there's a link > > to it in rc3.d . If you find out its filename ("foo" for > > /etc/rc.d/(init.d/)foo), then you can try "chkconfig --del foo". > > > > You can always get to a console login even if X starts; ctrl-alt-F[1-6], > > but that probably isn't sufficient. :-) > > In RH it is a level 5 respawn that I always commented out. I do recall that was > somewhere else on SuSA. > > If I can just figure out where it is and comment it out. I like to log > in at the cmd > line and then do a startx if I need the gui. On my laptop (SuSE 9.1), /etc/inittab has id:5:initdefault Is yours different? Change that 5 to a 3 and Robert's your father's brother. -- I firmly believed we should not march into Baghdad ...To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant, into a latter-day Arab hero assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator [.] - George Bush Sr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 07:04:44 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97B4iJN015437 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:04:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97B4c2Q015436 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:04:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97B4bJN015432 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:04:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97B4abL000309 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:04:36 -0400 Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.68]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97B4EHt029171 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:04:29 -0400 Received: from opus ([68.18.30.34]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20041007110414.JCNR1719.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@opus> for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:04:14 -0400 From: "Patrick Grantham" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Stopping autostart of X11 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:04:14 -0400 Message-ID: <005b01c4ac5d$6213d760$c902a8c0@opus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.698, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net you can find the setting in suse's setup tools yast, text based, and yast2, a graphical setup tool. -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Eben King Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 2:02 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Stopping autostart of X11 On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Chuck Hast wrote: > On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:20:56 -0400 (EDT), Eben King > wrote: > > > > /etc/rc.d/(init.d/)?dm and make it non-executable, or maybe there's a link > > to it in rc3.d . If you find out its filename ("foo" for > > /etc/rc.d/(init.d/)foo), then you can try "chkconfig --del foo". > > > > You can always get to a console login even if X starts; ctrl-alt-F[1-6], > > but that probably isn't sufficient. :-) > > In RH it is a level 5 respawn that I always commented out. I do recall that was > somewhere else on SuSA. > > If I can just figure out where it is and comment it out. I like to log > in at the cmd > line and then do a startx if I need the gui. On my laptop (SuSE 9.1), /etc/inittab has id:5:initdefault Is yours different? Change that 5 to a 3 and Robert's your father's brother. -- I firmly believed we should not march into Baghdad ...To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant, into a latter-day Arab hero assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator [.] - George Bush Sr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 08:29:39 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97CTcJN016003 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:29:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97CTXXm016002 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:29:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97CTQJN015998 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:29:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97CTPbP003465 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:29:26 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97CSj26022218 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:28:45 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so3761014rnk for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 05:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.152.63 with SMTP id z63mr1578424rnd; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 05:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905704100705284d42c5b8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:28:44 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Stopping autostart of X11 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <620c9057041006223843d79549@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.501, required 6, AWL 0.16, BAYES_10 -0.91, FB_PRESSHERE 0.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 02:02:29 -0400 (EDT), Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:20:56 -0400 (EDT), Eben King > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > /etc/rc.d/(init.d/)?dm and make it non-executable, or maybe there's a link > > > to it in rc3.d . If you find out its filename ("foo" for > > > /etc/rc.d/(init.d/)foo), then you can try "chkconfig --del foo". > > > > > > You can always get to a console login even if X starts; ctrl-alt-F[1-6], > > > but that probably isn't sufficient. :-) > > > > In RH it is a level 5 respawn that I always commented out. I do recall that was > > somewhere else on SuSA. > > > > If I can just figure out where it is and comment it out. I like to log > > in at the cmd > > line and then do a startx if I need the gui. > > On my laptop (SuSE 9.1), /etc/inittab has > > id:5:initdefault > > Is yours different? Change that 5 to a 3 and Robert's your father's > brother. That killed it! you are truelly a gentilman and a scholar. I have got so used to the RH stuff and I have only changed that once, I had to reload the system, as something happened when I tried to format a CF card, and the whole thing went south. Anyhow I will note that somewhere for future reference. In the RH inittab it was a tty respawn that did it. All you did was comment it out and that stopped it. When I power my notebook up I like it to come up to a cmd promt that way if I have stepped away and someone comes up on it, to most people it looks so alien that they just press on, whereas if it has a GUI screen they may stop and try to log in. Also when the login comes up I will log right in without thinking and a lot of times I may want to do cmd line stuff, or just leave it at that state. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 08:35:27 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97CZQJN016057 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:35:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97CZBTl016056 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:35:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97CZ4JN016048 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:35:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97CYubL003869 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:34:56 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97CYi26024105 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:34:44 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so3761513rnk for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 05:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.6.75 with SMTP id 75mr1962447rnf; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 05:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570410070534e05d4b8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:34:44 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Stopping autostart of X11 In-Reply-To: <005b01c4ac5d$6213d760$c902a8c0@opus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <005b01c4ac5d$6213d760$c902a8c0@opus> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.942, required 6, AWL 0.58, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:04:14 -0400, Patrick Grantham wrote: > you can find the setting in suse's setup tools yast, text based, and yast2, > a graphical setup tool. I had looked for it, but did not see it. I am used to going into inittab and killing it that way, it is just different from the way I did it with RH. But Eben gave me the fix and it is now done. Tnx anyhow. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 09:30:50 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97DUeJN016444 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:30:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97DUd5L016443 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:30:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97DUcJN016439 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:30:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97DUbbL006251 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:30:37 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97DUSHt029174 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:30:29 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B55FF99E for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:30:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Galeon, may I have a dog, please? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:35:18 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6, CASHCASHCASH 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Do you mean "spunky" like fast? Konqueror and Netscape both outperform Galeon and Mozilla on my PC. The problem with the previous two is their lack of features and HTML interpretation. The only full-featured session-saving browser that has every shown any performance on my system is Opera. They want $$$, and I'm about to spring for it. My productivity loss and annoyance level is getting high. :( However, I just downloaded from Matthew Hall's repository Galeon 1.3.17.99. We shall see. /mario On Wednesday 06 October 2004 18:38, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 02:54:16PM -0400, Mario Lombardo wrote: > > I even closed all windows except for the last one. Using an AMD Duron > > 950MHz w/512 SDRAM, Galeon 1.3.17 goes "woof woof!" > > > > >From "top -d0 -p9388" > > > > 9388 user 15 0 308m 190m 37m S 0.0 37.8 2269:23 galeon > > > > With "top" and then hitting "M" > > 9388 user 15 0 308m 190m 37m S 5.3 37.8 2269:33 galeon > > > > 5.3% CPU and 37.8% memory! What should I do? I like the browser, but > > Gecko has always "crapped the bed" with me. > > Compare it to Konqueror or Netscape. Galeon always struck me as spunky > compared to the others. > > Paul > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 09:58:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97DwdJN016617 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:58:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97DwY5u016616 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:58:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97DwWJN016612 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:58:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97DwWbN007310 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:58:32 -0400 Received: from bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.119]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97Dw226003445 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:58:03 -0400 Received: from user-0c6su66.cable.mindspring.com ([24.110.120.198] helo=[172.24.24.192]) by bittern.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CFYmQ-0006zE-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:58:02 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: Galeon, may I have a dog, please? -- Never liked GTK+ 2 Galeon (only GTK+ 1) From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097157481.2586.149.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:58:01 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.338, required 6, AWL 0.34, CASHCASHCASH 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 09:35, Mario Lombardo wrote: > Do you mean "spunky" like fast? Konqueror and Netscape both outperform Galeon > and Mozilla on my PC. The problem with the previous two is their lack of > features and HTML interpretation. I stopped using Galeon once distros moved to GTK+ 2 (GNOME 2). The 1.3.x series is a disappointment and it's just hard for the maintainer to keep up with all the changes in Mozilla. The last, solid Galeon release IMHO was 1.2.x for GTK+ 1. The 1.3.x releases have not caught up with its features. And the GTK+ 1 was ultra-fast. I've now switched to Firefox. I'd love to figure out a way to backport newer Mozilla releases to work with GTK+ 1 and re-create Galeon 1.2.x with it, but it would be far too much work. > The only full-featured session-saving browser that has every shown any > performance on my system is Opera. They want $$$, and I'm about to spring > for it. If you like it, it's worth the cost. If it makes you more productive, it's worth the cost. We're not talking about putting your data in a Hostageware or even Commerceware format. We're talking about using a Standardware application. If it's better than a Freedomware solution, then it might be worth the cost if it works better for you. That's one reason why I spring the $79 for StarOffice. > My productivity loss and annoyance level is getting high. :( Then buy Opera. > However, I just downloaded from Matthew Hall's repository Galeon 1.3.17.99. > We shall see. With Mozilla a moving target, it was always difficult for Galeon to keep up. Unlike Firefox, it relies on the Mozilla binaries at run-time. Again, I stopped using Galeon after 1.2.x, when the move was made to GTK+ 2. I have not seen a number of feature in 1.3.x that were in 1.2.x. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 09:58:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97DwkJN016624 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:58:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97DwkCF016623 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:58:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97DweJN016618 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:58:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97DwdbL007314 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:58:39 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97DwBHt002038 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:58:12 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so3769681rnk for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.165.18 with SMTP id n18mr2305995rne; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c9057041007065830b161bc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:58:10 -0400 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Galeon, may I have a dog, please? In-Reply-To: <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, CASHCASHCASH 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:35:18 -0400, Mario Lombardo wrote: > Do you mean "spunky" like fast? Konqueror and Netscape both outperform Galeon > and Mozilla on my PC. The problem with the previous two is their lack of > features and HTML interpretation. > > The only full-featured session-saving browser that has every shown any > performance on my system is Opera. They want $$$, and I'm about to spring > for it. My productivity loss and annoyance level is getting high. :( > > However, I just downloaded from Matthew Hall's repository Galeon 1.3.17.99. > We shall see. > Have you tried Firefox? it is fast and works well. Like all of them it has a few warts but it has been a fine replacement for nasties like i.e. on windoz, and at the same time it will look at sites that Konqueror will not. (gmail is one) -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 10:00:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97E0YJN016657 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:00:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97E0YM3016656 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:00:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97E0RJN016652 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:00:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97E0MbP007368 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:00:22 -0400 Received: from grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.116]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97Dxe26003585 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:59:41 -0400 Received: from user-0c6su66.cable.mindspring.com ([24.110.120.198] helo=[172.24.24.192]) by grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CFYnw-00042G-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:59:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLUG] More on the AT&T OS Story From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <4164CEE3.7080600@apotheon.com> References: <20041006163100.89368.qmail@web41827.mail.yahoo.com> <1097088133.2293.142.camel@patriux.localdomain> <4164CEE3.7080600@apotheon.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097157575.2586.151.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:59:36 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.334, required 6, AWL 0.33, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 01:06, Chad Perrin wrote: > While I appreciate the sentiment . . . don't quit your day job. What day job? ;-ppp -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 11:13:08 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97FD7JN017142 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:13:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97FD10N017141 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:13:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97FCtJN017133 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:12:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97FCsbL010137 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:12:55 -0400 Received: from ctrust.com (mail.ctrust.com [207.59.126.35]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97FCYHt016530 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:12:35 -0400 Received: from Spooler by ctrust.com (Mercury/32 v4.01a) ID MO000FFD; 7 Oct 2004 11:10:31 -0400 Received: from spooler by ctrust.com (Mercury/32 v4.01a); 7 Oct 2004 11:10:18 -0400 From: To: slug@nks.net Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:10:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [SLUG] Sarasota Meeting 20 Oct 2004 topic? Message-ID: <41652441.6474.4CB17192@ctrust.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.817, required 6, BAYES_80 1.66, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I haven't heard of a possible topic for the SRQ meeting, but after a number of questions about some basic gentoo things, is there anyone interested in hearing about some of the dos and don't of gentoo? I can do some Q&A, and perhaps austin can fill in some of the blanks if need be. Let me know, Craig ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 11:14:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97FEbJN017153 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:14:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97FEbs1017152 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:14:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97FEVJN017148 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:14:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97FERbP010206 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:14:27 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97FE026013213 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:14:00 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B794FF9CA for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:14:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Galeon, may I have a dog, please? -- Never liked GTK+ 2 Galeon (only GTK+ 1) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:18:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <1097157481.2586.149.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> In-Reply-To: <1097157481.2586.149.camel@bitman.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410071118.50506.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.094, required 6, AWL -0.19, CASHCASHCASH 0.00, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I didn't want to say anything about a month ago because I felt silly, but it seemed that transition, as you say from GTK+ 1 to GTK+ 2, made it awful. I noticed it had far more options before their move. I thought I was going nuts. Nevertheless, I continued using it; faithfully putting in bookmarks. I'm not sure about migrating the bookmarks from Galeon to Opera or Firefox. If I was coming straight from Mozilla, no problem. /mario On Thursday 07 October 2004 09:58, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 09:35, Mario Lombardo wrote: > > Do you mean "spunky" like fast? Konqueror and Netscape both outperform > > Galeon and Mozilla on my PC. The problem with the previous two is their > > lack of features and HTML interpretation. > > I stopped using Galeon once distros moved to GTK+ 2 (GNOME 2). The > 1.3.x series is a disappointment and it's just hard for the maintainer > to keep up with all the changes in Mozilla. > > The last, solid Galeon release IMHO was 1.2.x for GTK+ 1. The 1.3.x > releases have not caught up with its features. And the GTK+ 1 was > ultra-fast. > > I've now switched to Firefox. > > I'd love to figure out a way to backport newer Mozilla releases to work > with GTK+ 1 and re-create Galeon 1.2.x with it, but it would be far too > much work. > > > The only full-featured session-saving browser that has every shown any > > performance on my system is Opera. They want $$$, and I'm about to > > spring for it. > > If you like it, it's worth the cost. > If it makes you more productive, it's worth the cost. > > We're not talking about putting your data in a Hostageware or even > Commerceware format. > We're talking about using a Standardware application. > > If it's better than a Freedomware solution, then it might be worth the > cost if it works better for you. > That's one reason why I spring the $79 for StarOffice. > > > My productivity loss and annoyance level is getting high. :( > > Then buy Opera. > > > However, I just downloaded from Matthew Hall's repository Galeon > > 1.3.17.99. We shall see. > > With Mozilla a moving target, it was always difficult for Galeon to keep > up. Unlike Firefox, it relies on the Mozilla binaries at run-time. > > Again, I stopped using Galeon after 1.2.x, when the move was made to > GTK+ 2. I have not seen a number of feature in 1.3.x that were in > 1.2.x. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 11:17:35 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97FHYJN017184 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:17:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97FHYKq017183 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:17:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97FHRJN017179 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:17:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97FHRbL010290 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:17:27 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97FGv26013569 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:16:57 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04F8FFA60 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:17:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Galeon, may I have a dog, please? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:21:49 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <620c9057041007065830b161bc@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c9057041007065830b161bc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410071121.49703.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.085, required 6, AWL -0.19, BAYES_50 0.00, CASHCASHCASH 0.00, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yes, I'm about to try it. I just have to figure out how to migrate the bookmarks. I wonder if there is software out there to create a central bookmark repository--like even for a network. A company could contribute to the base and migrations could be simple. Hmmmm /mario On Thursday 07 October 2004 09:58, Chuck Hast wrote: > On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:35:18 -0400, Mario Lombardo > > wrote: > > Do you mean "spunky" like fast? Konqueror and Netscape both outperform > > Galeon and Mozilla on my PC. The problem with the previous two is their > > lack of features and HTML interpretation. > > > > The only full-featured session-saving browser that has every shown any > > performance on my system is Opera. They want $$$, and I'm about to > > spring for it. My productivity loss and annoyance level is getting high. > > :( > > > > However, I just downloaded from Matthew Hall's repository Galeon > > 1.3.17.99. We shall see. > > Have you tried Firefox? it is fast and works well. Like all of them it has > a few warts but it has been a fine replacement for nasties like i.e. on > windoz, and at the same time it will look at sites that Konqueror will not. > (gmail is one) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 11:22:22 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97FMGJN017235 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:22:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97FMGXV017234 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:22:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97FM9JN017230 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:22:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97FM8bR010479 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:22:08 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97FLd26014225 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:21:39 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE45AFFA24 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:21:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Galeon, may I have a dog, please? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:26:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <620c9057041007065830b161bc@mail.gmail.com> <200410071121.49703.mario@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: <200410071121.49703.mario@alienscience.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410071126.26974.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.078, required 6, AWL -0.18, CASHCASHCASH 0.00, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Once last try.... Before installing Galeon, I needed this (howl/howl-libs). It was a bit of a pain to find with Google/linux. In the end, I should've looked where I got the new Galeon =) http://people.ecsc.co.uk/~matt/downloads/rpms/howl/ /mario On Thursday 07 October 2004 11:21, you as Mario Lombardo wrote: > Yes, I'm about to try it. I just have to figure out how to migrate the > bookmarks. I wonder if there is software out there to create a central > bookmark repository--like even for a network. A company could contribute > to the base and migrations could be simple. Hmmmm > > /mario > > On Thursday 07 October 2004 09:58, Chuck Hast wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:35:18 -0400, Mario Lombardo > > > > wrote: > > > Do you mean "spunky" like fast? Konqueror and Netscape both outperform > > > Galeon and Mozilla on my PC. The problem with the previous two is > > > their lack of features and HTML interpretation. > > > > > > The only full-featured session-saving browser that has every shown any > > > performance on my system is Opera. They want $$$, and I'm about to > > > spring for it. My productivity loss and annoyance level is getting > > > high. > > > > > > :( > > > > > > However, I just downloaded from Matthew Hall's repository Galeon > > > 1.3.17.99. We shall see. > > > > Have you tried Firefox? it is fast and works well. Like all of them it > > has a few warts but it has been a fine replacement for nasties like i.e. > > on windoz, and at the same time it will look at sites that Konqueror will > > not. (gmail is one) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 11:23:38 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97FNbJN017248 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:23:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97FNbl1017247 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:23:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97FNVJN017243 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:23:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97FNPbR010538 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:23:25 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97FKQHt018087 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:20:26 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i97FKOT5023301 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:22:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Stopping autostart of X11 In-Reply-To: <620c905704100705284d42c5b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 02:02:29 -0400 (EDT), Eben King > wrote: > > > > On my laptop (SuSE 9.1), /etc/inittab has > > > > id:5:initdefault > > > > Is yours different? Change that 5 to a 3 and Robert's your father's > > brother. > > That killed it! > When I power my notebook up I like it to come up to a cmd promt that way > if I have stepped away and someone comes up on it, to most people it > looks so alien that they just press on, whereas if it has a GUI screen > they may stop and try to log in. Also when the login comes up I will log > right in without thinking and a lot of times I may want to do cmd line > stuff, or just leave it at that state. A text login starts lot faster than a KDE session, too. Sometimes you just want to log in to check a few things. BTW, have you got suspend-to-{RAM,disk} working yet? I haven't. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Unix is user-friendly; it's just picky about who it makes friends with. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 12:08:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97G8CJN017585 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:08:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97G82Yq017584 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:08:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97G80JN017576 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:08:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97G7fbN012424 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:07:42 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97G6q26021383 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:06:52 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CFan4-0008T5-J0 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:06:51 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] KDE 3.3 under FC3 is really fast! Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:06:46 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410071206.46837.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.241, required 6, AWL -0.46, BAYES_56 0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net HI, I thought I'd share a brief experience I had with KDE 3.3, compared to 3.2. Seing the new release I decided to check out FC3 test 2 as it had the newest KDE. So I installed and let it boot. As soon as it starts loading KDE it's DONE! Wow! I was really suprised to see how fast it came up! It looks to be a real winner! There are a few things to sort out but it's looking really good. It's supposed to ship in November and I expect there might only be one more test release before it's ready. If that. Having a DVD burner I d/l the dvd iso and installed from it. SuSE was the first one to carry a DVD in their box, and I've loved the speed of install since then. Highly recommended. It also looks like you get more than 3 CD's worth but I could be wrong. Menu's are yet a bit better organized, Konqueror has a few more features, new default startup sound (nice). You can see all the features online, and I really only wanted to comment on the speed of 3.3. Which as you can see is really there. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 12:40:49 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97GemJN017821 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:40:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97GeeEk017820 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:40:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97GeXJN017816 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:40:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97GeXbN013639 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:40:33 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (rrcs-67-78-17-122.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.122]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97Gds26025537 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:39:59 -0400 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id 21B2420704E; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.252] (unknown [192.168.1.252]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0082F206FFC for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE 3.3 under FC3 is really fast! From: "Tom E. Craddock, Jr." To: SLUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: <200410071206.46837.steve@szmidt.org> References: <200410071206.46837.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097167192.8508.4.camel@thor> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 12:39:52 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.082, required 6, AWL 0.08, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey, Ive been using KDE 3.3 on FC2 for about 2 weeks now, and while its not as fast as your FC3 setup, its still pretty quick. Overall I like the cleaner sleeker look of 3.3 compared to previous versions. Are you running FC3 on a desktop or laptop? I also like to just setup a YAM/YUM server on my network and use it as a HTTP/FTP install server; I already have one setup for FC2 (and a few apt repositories for updates) and it makes installs so much faster (no changing CDs, only have to burn a 4MB iso, etc.). Tom E. Craddock, Jr. On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 12:06, steve szmidt wrote: > HI, > > I thought I'd share a brief experience I had with KDE 3.3, compared to 3.2. > Seing the new release I decided to check out FC3 test 2 as it had the newest > KDE. So I installed and let it boot. As soon as it starts loading KDE it's > DONE! > > Wow! > > I was really suprised to see how fast it came up! It looks to be a real > winner! There are a few things to sort out but it's looking really good. > > It's supposed to ship in November and I expect there might only be one more > test release before it's ready. If that. > > Having a DVD burner I d/l the dvd iso and installed from it. SuSE was the > first one to carry a DVD in their box, and I've loved the speed of install > since then. Highly recommended. It also looks like you get more than 3 CD's > worth but I could be wrong. > > Menu's are yet a bit better organized, Konqueror has a few more features, new > default startup sound (nice). You can see all the features online, and I > really only wanted to comment on the speed of 3.3. Which as you can see is > really there. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 13:04:55 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97H4nJN017972 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:04:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97H4n20017971 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:04:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97H4cJN017967 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:04:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97H4bbR014722 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:04:37 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97H3qHt008211 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:03:52 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i97H3nlN005710 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:05:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE 3.3 under FC3 is really fast! In-Reply-To: <1097167192.8508.4.camel@thor> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Ive been using KDE 3.3 on FC2 for about 2 weeks now, and while its not > as fast as your FC3 setup, its still pretty quick. Overall I like the > cleaner sleeker look of 3.3 compared to previous versions. Are you > running FC3 on a desktop or laptop? I also like to just setup a YAM/YUM > server on my network and use it as a HTTP/FTP install server; I already > have one setup for FC2 (and a few apt repositories for updates) and it > makes installs so much faster (no changing CDs, only have to burn a 4MB > iso, etc.). 4MB? Seems kinda silly to put something small enough to fit on three floppies on a DVD. Or DYM 4GB? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Hi! I'm a .sig virus! Copy me to your .sig! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 13:18:30 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97HIOJN018062 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:18:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97HIOxQ018061 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:18:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97HIHJN018057 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:18:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97HIDbL015259 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:18:13 -0400 Received: from audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net (audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.253]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97HHZHt011088 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:17:36 -0400 Received: from user-12hckbe.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.81.110] helo=blackgold) by audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFbtX-0000l4-Ll for slug@nks.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:17:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c4ac91$e335b640$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> From: "xcalibre" To: References: <1097018479.4164.13.camel@thor> <200410061514.26972.mario@alienscience.com> <000b01c4abe5$a6e1e8a0$0f49490a@fifteen> Subject: Re: [SLUG] New Subscriber Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:17:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: 16b8c79b0b06377a9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d116366269c304fb9b6b67d9ca416b9ba350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.22.81.110 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.699, required 6, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The meeting will start at 20:00 hours aka 8:00pm EST There is going to be a presentation tonight from Tyler Vann-Campbell, and I am going to do a quick Preview of Sun's Live Linux Distro, and a raffle. If you can make it please come out and show your support. As mentioned when you go in to Barnes and Nobles go towards the back just before you get to the Music section were on the left in the Arts and Crafts book area. I also have a few left over copies of Knoppix so if you or some one can use them they will be there. Hope to see you there Bill Preece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Foxworth" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] New Subscriber > > > I don't know about the Brandon meetings since I've only attended > Pinellas > > County's and Tampa. > > > > > today. I hope Ill be able to attend the SLUG meeting in Brandon > this > > > Thursday night (Oct 7, 2004). Do many people on the list attend > that > > > one? > > > > > > Tom E. Craddock, Jr. > > > sigtom@sigtom.com > > > I hope to make the Brandon meeting. There are usually at least > 15 there and often they have nice raffle prizes, and a good > discussion of new things by Bill Preece. It's in the rear, left side, > of the Brandon Barnes and Noble, in the cookbook area. > > The Tampa meetings are back, but on 2d Tuesday (instead of > Wednesday), according to Wayne Pollock they will be in Rm > 108 of Student Services (the Admin bldg). > > Unfortunately neither site has any wired Net access. > > - Bob > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 14:00:31 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97I0KJN018368 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:00:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97I0KYM018367 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:00:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97I0JJN018363 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:00:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97I0IbL016824 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:00:18 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (rrcs-67-78-17-122.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.122]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97Hxl26004462 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:59:47 -0400 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id BFC7120704E; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.252] (unknown [192.168.1.252]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FB0206FFC for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE 3.3 under FC3 is really fast! From: "Tom E. Craddock, Jr." To: SLUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097171985.31431.6.camel@thor> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:59:45 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.05, required 6, AWL 0.05) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey, No, I mean 4MB. Its a boot.iso thats in the image dir of disc 1 of the FC install CDs. And I dont burn to DVD, but to CD, and I dont think you can use 3 or 4 floppies to copy a boot.iso to (I could be wrong) but as I learned recently when I bought my new laptop, a floppy drive isnt a standard device anymore on a PC (well laptops at least, have to buy a USB one for this HP if i wanted it), whereas a CD drive is. So I burn that one disc keep it safe, it boots up the PC I want to install FC2 on, I provide the location of my FC2 YAM repository (HTTP on my local network) and it dloads all packages that I want installed instead of popping in CD1, CD2, CD3, etc. ~10 mins after beginning, Ive got a complete install of FC2. You can check out my YAM repository here http://www.sigtom.com/yam/fc2-i386/ Tom E. Craddock, Jr. On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 13:05, Eben King wrote: > On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Tom E. Craddock, Jr. wrote: > > > Ive been using KDE 3.3 on FC2 for about 2 weeks now, and while its not > > as fast as your FC3 setup, its still pretty quick. Overall I like the > > cleaner sleeker look of 3.3 compared to previous versions. Are you > > running FC3 on a desktop or laptop? I also like to just setup a YAM/YUM > > server on my network and use it as a HTTP/FTP install server; I already > > have one setup for FC2 (and a few apt repositories for updates) and it > > makes installs so much faster (no changing CDs, only have to burn a 4MB > > iso, etc.). > > 4MB? Seems kinda silly to put something small enough to fit on three > floppies on a DVD. Or DYM 4GB? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 14:07:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97I7VJN018409 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:07:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97I7U6k018408 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:07:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97I7TJN018404 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:07:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97I7SbN017145 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:07:28 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97I6e26005917 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:06:40 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CFcf1-00080B-TI for slug@nks.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:06:40 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE 3.3 under FC3 is really fast! Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:06:36 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <200410071206.46837.steve@szmidt.org> <1097167192.8508.4.camel@thor> In-Reply-To: <1097167192.8508.4.camel@thor> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410071406.36226.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.251, required 6, AWL -0.45, BAYES_50 0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 07 October 2004 12:39 pm, Tom E. Craddock, Jr. wrote: > Hey, > > Ive been using KDE 3.3 on FC2 for about 2 weeks now, and while its not > as fast as your FC3 setup, its still pretty quick. Overall I like the > cleaner sleeker look of 3.3 compared to previous versions. Are you > running FC3 on a desktop or laptop? I also like to just setup a YAM/YUM > server on my network and use it as a HTTP/FTP install server; I already > have one setup for FC2 (and a few apt repositories for updates) and it > makes installs so much faster (no changing CDs, only have to burn a 4MB > iso, etc.). You evil top poster! : ) Yes, I like the sleeker look too. It's on a desktop. Not a bad idea with yum server, I like it. > Tom E. Craddock, Jr. > > On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 12:06, steve szmidt wrote: > > HI, > > > > I thought I'd share a brief experience I had with KDE 3.3, compared to > > 3.2. Seing the new release I decided to check out FC3 test 2 as it had > > the newest KDE. So I installed and let it boot. As soon as it starts > > loading KDE it's DONE! > > > > Wow! > > > > I was really suprised to see how fast it came up! It looks to be a real > > winner! There are a few things to sort out but it's looking really good. > > > > It's supposed to ship in November and I expect there might only be one > > more test release before it's ready. If that. > > > > Having a DVD burner I d/l the dvd iso and installed from it. SuSE was the > > first one to carry a DVD in their box, and I've loved the speed of > > install since then. Highly recommended. It also looks like you get more > > than 3 CD's worth but I could be wrong. > > > > Menu's are yet a bit better organized, Konqueror has a few more features, > > new default startup sound (nice). You can see all the features online, > > and I really only wanted to comment on the speed of 3.3. Which as you can > > see is really there. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 14:08:00 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97I7xJN018416 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:08:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97I7x8Y018415 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:07:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97I7wJN018411 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:07:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97I7vbN017168 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:07:57 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97I7JHt021576 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:07:19 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CFcff-0001UV-4M for slug@nks.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:07:19 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE 3.3 under FC3 is really fast! Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:07:15 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410071407.15977.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.7, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 07 October 2004 01:05 pm, Eben King wrote: > On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Tom E. Craddock, Jr. wrote: > > Ive been using KDE 3.3 on FC2 for about 2 weeks now, and while its not > > as fast as your FC3 setup, its still pretty quick. Overall I like the > > cleaner sleeker look of 3.3 compared to previous versions. Are you > > running FC3 on a desktop or laptop? I also like to just setup a YAM/YUM > > server on my network and use it as a HTTP/FTP install server; I already > > have one setup for FC2 (and a few apt repositories for updates) and it > > makes installs so much faster (no changing CDs, only have to burn a 4MB > > iso, etc.). > > 4MB? Seems kinda silly to put something small enough to fit on three > floppies on a DVD. Or DYM 4GB? Who would ever use Gigabytes of data? You must be kidding! -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 14:27:41 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97IReJN018580 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:27:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97IRZ1a018579 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:27:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97IRXJN018575 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:27:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97IRRbL018010 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:27:27 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97IQp26008897 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:26:51 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so3815363rnk for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.6.75 with SMTP id 75mr2273691rnf; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570410071126522b044c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:26:44 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Stopping autostart of X11 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <620c905704100705284d42c5b8@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.8, required 6, AWL 0.38, BAYES_20 -1.43, FB_PRESSHERE 0.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:22:11 -0400 (EDT), Eben King wrote: > On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 02:02:29 -0400 (EDT), Eben King > > wrote: > > > > > > On my laptop (SuSE 9.1), /etc/inittab has > > > > > > id:5:initdefault > > > > > > Is yours different? Change that 5 to a 3 and Robert's your father's > > > brother. > > > > That killed it! > > > When I power my notebook up I like it to come up to a cmd promt that way > > if I have stepped away and someone comes up on it, to most people it > > looks so alien that they just press on, whereas if it has a GUI screen > > they may stop and try to log in. Also when the login comes up I will log > > right in without thinking and a lot of times I may want to do cmd line > > stuff, or just leave it at that state. > > A text login starts lot faster than a KDE session, too. Sometimes you > just want to log in to check a few things. > > BTW, have you got suspend-to-{RAM,disk} working yet? I haven't. > > Have not tried it yet. I do not worry about suspending it too much seems that even under the OS of the evil empire that is a goat rope. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 14:29:59 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97ITwJN018595 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:29:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97ITwYM018594 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:29:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97ITpJN018590 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:29:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97ITobL018128 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:29:50 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97ITI26009397 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:29:18 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i97ITFlN029201 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:31:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE 3.3 under FC3 is really fast! In-Reply-To: <1097171985.31431.6.camel@thor> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 13:05, Eben King wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Tom E. Craddock, Jr. wrote: > > > > > (no changing CDs, only have to burn a 4MB iso, etc.). > > > > 4MB? Seems kinda silly to put something small enough to fit on three > > floppies on a DVD. Or DYM 4GB? > No, I mean 4MB. Its a boot.iso thats in the image dir of disc 1 of the > FC install CDs. Install-over-internet? What about people who want to install it on a standalone machine? Is there a big repository you can dl, or a series of ISOs? > as I learned recently when I bought my new laptop, a floppy drive isnt a > standard device anymore on a PC (well laptops at least, have to buy a > USB one for this HP if i wanted it), Same for my Thinkpad. I knew from the online blurb that it had no FD, so when I bought it I bought one of those too (not from IBM). > So I burn that one disc keep it safe, it boots up the PC I want to > install FC2 on, I provide the location of my FC2 YAM repository (HTTP on > my local network) I did that with my distro (actually it's file:// not http://). Much more convenient that way. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 14:34:38 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97IYbJN018652 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:34:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97IYW1D018651 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:34:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97IYUJN018646 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:34:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97IYLbN018356 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:34:25 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97IXP26010127 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:33:25 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so321174rnk for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.79.36 with SMTP id c36mr1402467rnb; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.15.19 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b361d3904100711335b62bd1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:33:23 -0400 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE 3.3 under FC3 is really fast! In-Reply-To: <200410071407.15977.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410071407.15977.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.65, required 6, AWL 0.65, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net i did a ghost backup of my main drive and it ended up on 4 DVDs... > Who would ever use Gigabytes of data? You must be kidding! > > Steve Szmidt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 14:38:23 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97Ic9JN018682 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:38:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97Ic9ap018681 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:38:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97Ic2JN018677 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:38:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97Ic1bL018488 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:38:01 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97IbJ26010662 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:37:19 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i97IbHZo015713 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:39:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE 3.3 under FC3 is really fast! In-Reply-To: <200410071407.15977.steve@szmidt.org> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Thursday 07 October 2004 01:05 pm, Eben King wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Tom E. Craddock, Jr. wrote: > > > Ive been using KDE 3.3 on FC2 for about 2 weeks now, and while its not > > > as fast as your FC3 setup, its still pretty quick. Overall I like the > > > cleaner sleeker look of 3.3 compared to previous versions. Are you > > > running FC3 on a desktop or laptop? I also like to just setup a YAM/YUM > > > server on my network and use it as a HTTP/FTP install server; I already > > > have one setup for FC2 (and a few apt repositories for updates) and it > > > makes installs so much faster (no changing CDs, only have to burn a 4MB > > > iso, etc.). > > > > 4MB? Seems kinda silly to put something small enough to fit on three > > floppies on a DVD. Or DYM 4GB? > > Who would ever use Gigabytes of data? You must be kidding! Hey, data expands to fill available space. A DVD holds 4.3*2^30B or so... you do the math. Can't wait until we see multi-DVD distros... NOT. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar "God does not play dice" -- Einstein "Not only does God play dice, he sometimes throws them where they can't be seen." -- Stephen Hawking ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 16:25:54 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97KPsJN019383 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:25:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97KPhdS019382 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:25:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97KPTJN019378 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:25:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97KPSbP022774 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:25:28 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97KP726027062 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:25:08 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CFeox-0000lA-RU for slug@nks.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:25:04 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE 3.3 under FC3 is really fast! Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:24:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410071624.59943.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.224, required 6, AWL -0.48, BAYES_50 0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 07 October 2004 02:39 pm, Eben King wrote: > On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Thursday 07 October 2004 01:05 pm, Eben King wrote: > > > On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Tom E. Craddock, Jr. wrote: > > > > Ive been using KDE 3.3 on FC2 for about 2 weeks now, and while its > > > > not as fast as your FC3 setup, its still pretty quick. Overall I > > > > like the cleaner sleeker look of 3.3 compared to previous versions. > > > > Are you running FC3 on a desktop or laptop? I also like to just > > > > setup a YAM/YUM server on my network and use it as a HTTP/FTP install > > > > server; I already have one setup for FC2 (and a few apt repositories > > > > for updates) and it makes installs so much faster (no changing CDs, > > > > only have to burn a 4MB iso, etc.). > > > > > > 4MB? Seems kinda silly to put something small enough to fit on three > > > floppies on a DVD. Or DYM 4GB? > > > > Who would ever use Gigabytes of data? You must be kidding! > > Hey, data expands to fill available space. A DVD holds 4.3*2^30B or > so... you do the math. I'm just kidding ... : ) My DVD player can write 8.5GB (when they release the discs for it, that is). But I used to have my whole distro copied onto a drive and then just do any installs from there. FC3 comes with a DVD iso, which is easier to deal with too. > Can't wait until we see multi-DVD distros... NOT. Yes, multi DVD installs. But you know, as storage is getting cheaper and cheaper the days of 30 floppy installs are not going to come back. I think someone had already come up with an optical solution that handles 1TB. IBM is making things smaller and smaller too. Their R&D has a working 1 cell storage (in a lab) unit. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 17:20:50 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97LKeJN019733 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:20:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97LKeBO019732 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:20:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97LKSJN019728 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:20:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97LKKbL024851 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:20:20 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97LK6Ht030580 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:20:06 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i97LJxB8002327 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:19:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE 3.3 under FC3 is really fast! In-Reply-To: <200410071624.59943.steve@szmidt.org> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Thursday 07 October 2004 02:39 pm, Eben King wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, steve szmidt wrote: > > > > > > Who would ever use Gigabytes of data? You must be kidding! > > > > Hey, data expands to fill available space. A DVD holds 4.3*2^30B or > > so... you do the math. > > I'm just kidding ... : ) > > My DVD player can write 8.5GB Mine too (NEC 2510A), but I don't have any dual-layer discs. > (when they release the discs for it, that is). They're out, just expensive/hard to get. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1082519208752&type=product 1 +R DL, 1 +RW, 8 +R, $25. Not worth it, methinks. > > Can't wait until we see multi-DVD distros... NOT. > > Yes, multi DVD installs. But you know, as storage is getting cheaper and > cheaper the days of 30 floppy installs are not going to come back. It's still a PITA to set up, but it's not harder to set up 5 CDs now than 5 floppies were back in the day, I guess. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Unix is user-friendly; it's just picky about who it makes friends with. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 17:31:52 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97LVpJN019831 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:31:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97LVopq019830 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:31:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97LVnJN019826 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:31:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97LVgbL025350 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:31:46 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97LVT26003687 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:31:29 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 80so184rnk for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.17 with SMTP id b17mr10692rnf; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.21 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f1298604100714316680b54c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:31:14 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sarasota Meeting 20 Oct 2004 topic? In-Reply-To: <41652441.6474.4CB17192@ctrust.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41652441.6474.4CB17192@ctrust.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.385, required 6, AWL 0.52, BAYES_30 -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:10:00 -0400, craig@ctrust.com wrote: > I haven't heard of a possible topic for the SRQ > meeting, but after a number of questions about > some basic gentoo things, is there anyone > interested in hearing about some of the dos and > don't of gentoo? I can do some Q&A, and perhaps > austin can fill in some of the blanks if need be. > > Let me know, > > Craig I would like that but.... The sarasota meeting always falls when i dont have time anymore. If i was going to be there I be all for it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 17:38:39 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97LcXJN019873 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:38:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97LcXTf019872 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:38:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97LcVJN019868 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:38:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97LcVbL025570 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:38:31 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97LcMHt001633 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:38:22 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 80so553rnk for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.57 with SMTP id b57mr13316rnf; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.21 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f1298604100714386cedd74c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:38:21 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE 3.3 under FC3 is really fast! In-Reply-To: <200410071624.59943.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410071624.59943.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net A. Anything more than 2 disk is ridiculus. 1. disk for your install 2. Extras But maybe slackware is just over optimized for installing as it refuses to use a X based gui installer. KDE 3.3 is noticeably faster than 3.2 that was pulling kde 3.3 from the testing directory of /slackware current. I think they really focused on speed with 3.3 as everything is faster. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 18:10:34 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97MAOJN020095 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:10:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97MAI61020094 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:10:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97MA6JN020067 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:10:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97M9hbL026655 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:09:43 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.220]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97M9ZHt008063 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:09:35 -0400 Received: from user-0c6su66.cable.mindspring.com ([24.110.120.198] helo=[172.24.24.192]) by asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CFgS6-0008LV-Pw for slug@nks.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:09:34 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: KDE 3.3 under FC3 is really fast! -- 4MB .iso and 6MB .img options ... From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097186955.7386.30.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 18:09:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ad0255cac0810bb038fc27debee96952350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.110.120.198 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 13:05, Eben King wrote: > 4MB? 4MB. The Fedora Core 2 installer kernel (now 2.6) does not fit on a 1.44MB floppy. So there are several options for boot images. 1. 4MB .iso for CD 2. 6MB .img (FAT) for USB, Zip/Floptical, etc... I have used #2 -- it's sweet. > Seems kinda silly to put something small enough to fit on three > floppies on a DVD. The original poster used a DVD. Fedora Core is released on both CD and DVD (the 64-bit version is DVD). The second poster mentioned the 4MB .iso. I'm sure he used CD because DVDs have a _minimum_ of several hundred MBs that is burned regardless of the actual data size. > Or DYM 4GB? No, 4MB. Eben King wrote: > Install-over-internet? Of course! FTP, HTTP, NFS, etc... Works great! The next-gen Fedora installer will use YUM (and hopefully and optionally, APT). The Fedora team wants to unify all new package management around YUM, including the installer. Until then, you can install a 90MB "minimal" system and YUM everything from there. > What about people who want to install it on a standalone machine? Both CD and DVD images (DVD for 64-bit) are provided. > Is there a big repository you can dl, or a series of ISOs? Yes! There are CD and DVD images. You can install direct from media. If you check out the Fedora Core download location or mirrors, there are "/iso" directories and "/os" directories. Or you can create the 4MB .iso or 6MB FAT image onto the appropriate media, and choose to get your file from another source. Those images are included on CD #1 (from "/iso"), or on the site (from "/os"). The alternative install can be: - Local hard drive (plop .isos or packages in a local directory) - Remote NFS export (plop .isos or packages in a remote directory) - Remote FTP/HTTP (plop packages in a remote directory) You can maintain your own repositories with updated packages. I've done this since Red Hat Linux 5 (circa 1997)! Fedora Core (and Red Hat Linux before it) has _always_ given you a _lot_ of options. Again, the future Anaconda installer for Fedora will switch to YUM. There is a big push to unify all the various approaches. Fedora is doing that around YUM. -- Bryan J. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 18:26:27 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97MQHJN020213 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:26:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i97MQBU0020212 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:26:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i97MQ5JN020207 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:26:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97MQ4bL027310 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:26:04 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i97MPjHt011524 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:25:45 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i97MPhB8010733 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:25:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] Brandon swap meet/meeting Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:07:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9807seE020893 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:07:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9807qJN020889 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:07:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9807qbL030886 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:07:52 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9807l26024209 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:07:48 -0400 Received: from dialup-4.247.209.133.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.209.133] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CFiIU-0001yp-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 17:07:47 -0700 Message-ID: <4165DD50.9019C42F@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 20:20:32 -0400 From: SOTL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Hard Drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=5.948, required 6, BAYES_70 2.25, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi All The simple question is: Is there any way to determine if a hard drive [including controller] is bad? The more complex version is: Is it possible that a partition issue will allow a HD not to operate? What happened: I viewed a web site which apparently had some script or language issue that caused a issue with the linux partitions on the linux side of my dual boot laptop. This has happen before and has not cause major difficulties in repair in the past. At this point I could still boot into MS Windows. Later messing around with an attempt to reinstall Linux some how I may have corrupted the boot loader or the HD just finally died but now it will not boot into Windows. What I am trying to ascertain is if there is any way to ascertain which. In trying to determine if the HD is operation but I have corrupted partitions I downloads the latest Tomsrtbt. This latest version of Tomsrtbt does work on the computer I down loads it with but it does not work with either of my other two computers. I also have an older edition of Tomsrtbt but it has never worked with the laptop. There was a driver issue in the older version which apparently still exists in the newest version. I have been loth to put the Windows reinstall disk in an attempt to reinstall Windows and a non corrupt boot sequence as I have fears that I may loose months of data and work even though the data was originally in a separate partition which in the past has survived complete Windows and Linux reinstalls. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 21:23:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i981NiJN021429 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:23:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i981NixL021428 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:23:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i981NgJN021424 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:23:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i981NabR001212 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:23:37 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i981NN26001947 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:23:23 -0400 Received: (qmail 15288 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2004 01:23:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.16.56.69) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2004 01:23:19 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5EA51125325; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:22:38 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Galeon, may I have a dog, please? Message-ID: <20041008012238.GA2705@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <620c9057041007065830b161bc@mail.gmail.com> <200410071121.49703.mario@alienscience.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200410071121.49703.mario@alienscience.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.921, required 6, AWL 0.22, BAYES_40 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 11:21:49AM -0400, Mario Lombardo wrote: > Yes, I'm about to try it. I just have to figure out how to migrate the > bookmarks. I wonder if there is software out there to create a central > bookmark repository--like even for a network. A company could contribute to > the base and migrations could be simple. Hmmmm I've easily moved bookmarks between Konqueror and Firefox. And originally, I was using Galeon, which is where all those bookmarks came from. Generally, these packages will import and export bookmarks. As for a centralized bookmark repository, good luck. They all use different formats. There are packages that claim to maintain bookmarks for you, but I haven't been impressed in my searches. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 21:27:30 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i981RTJN021476 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:27:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i981RT4b021475 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:27:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i981RRJN021471 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:27:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i981RRbL001342 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:27:27 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i981R2Ht014393 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:27:02 -0400 Received: (qmail 15716 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2004 01:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.16.56.69) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2004 01:27:02 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E510A125325; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:26:28 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Galeon, may I have a dog, please? Message-ID: <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.698, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 09:35:18AM -0400, Mario Lombardo wrote: > Do you mean "spunky" like fast? Konqueror and Netscape both outperform > Galeon > and Mozilla on my PC. The problem with the previous two is their lack of > features and HTML interpretation. > Hmm. Konqueror and Netscape were dogs on my system compared to Galeon. Galeon had a smaller footprint, according to a chart I saw in one of the Linux magazines many moons ago. I gave Galeon up when I kept being told that development had slowed and would eventually cease. Caveat: I don't run Gnome or KDE. I run XFCE, for what it's worth. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 7 22:20:20 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i982K9JN021841 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:20:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i982K3RB021840 for slug-track29; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:20:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i982K0JN021814 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:20:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i982K0bL003139 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:20:00 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i982Jn26009328 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:19:50 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so369620rnk for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.171.44 with SMTP id t44mr489863rne; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.14 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 19:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:19:43 -0400 From: Bill Shaw To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <4165DD50.9019C42F@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4165DD50.9019C42F@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If you know who the hard drive manufacturer is you can usually download a utility that creates a bootable floppy that will test the integrity of the drive. Other than that if you have a second cd drive it may just be easier to boot Knoppix and burn your data before you reinstall anything. On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 20:20:32 -0400, SOTL wrote: > Hi All > > The simple question is: > Is there any way to determine if a hard drive [including controller] is > bad? > > The more complex version is: > Is it possible that a partition issue will allow a HD not to operate? > > What happened: > I viewed a web site which apparently had some script or language issue > that caused a issue with the linux partitions on the linux side of my > dual boot laptop. This has happen before and has not cause major > difficulties in repair in the past. > > At this point I could still boot into MS Windows. > > Later messing around with an attempt to reinstall Linux some how I may > have corrupted the boot loader or the HD just finally died but now it > will not boot into Windows. What I am trying to ascertain is if there is > any way to ascertain which. > > In trying to determine if the HD is operation but I have corrupted > partitions I downloads the latest Tomsrtbt. This latest version of > Tomsrtbt does work on the computer I down loads it with but it does not > work with either of my other two computers. I also have an older edition > of Tomsrtbt but it has never worked with the laptop. There was a driver > issue in the older version which apparently still exists in the newest > version. > > I have been loth to put the Windows reinstall disk in an attempt to > reinstall Windows and a non corrupt boot sequence as I have fears that I > may loose months of data and work even though the data was originally in > a separate partition which in the past has survived complete Windows and > Linux reinstalls. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Frank > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 8 08:01:22 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98C1GJN025931 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:01:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i98C1GH9025930 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:01:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98C16JN025926 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:01:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98C12bL026821 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:01:06 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98C0ZHt021499 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:00:35 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i98C0X4O023375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 07:00:33 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i98C02uj023213; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:00:02 GMT Message-Id: <200410081200.i98C02uj023213@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 12:00:02 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Reporting Software for Linux Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 07:59:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1097236802-6019351.49120916 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.819, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm looking for cross-platform reporting software for linux that is similar in functionality to Crystal Reports. All the good java-based software is extremely expensive (like $1500 per 1 user license) and really meant only for enterprise use, not as a standalone Desktop app, as Crystal can function. Does anyone know of anything? I checked out Rekall's functionality, but it seems to only handle MySQL and a couple other database types. Right now, I just need the ability to report on .csv files. Agata's software is not complete enough. Thanks! -- Eric Jahn ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 8 08:53:07 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98Cr2JN026291 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:53:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i98CquST026290 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:52:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98CqjJN026286 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:52:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98CqibL029203 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:52:45 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98CqQHt000943 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:52:27 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 80so28220rnk for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 05:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.8.80 with SMTP id 80mr239725rnh; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 05:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.21 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 05:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f1298604100805527952336a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:52:26 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Phone push button menu software Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Looking for a solution for windows or linux for regular phone line or voip, where if someone calls they get the welcome to xzy company. Thing is that they will go through there menu and they will never get anyone just different voice recordings. or something that not even computer based at all. Anything that would suit this need would be great. the thing is that the system has to be multi level option 1 subtion 2 suboption of suboption ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 8 09:08:48 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98D8mJN026393 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:08:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i98D8lOc026392 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:08:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98D8kJN026388 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:08:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98D8jbN029692 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:08:46 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98D8UHt004257 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:08:31 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so20555rnk for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 06:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.82.45 with SMTP id f45mr141120rnb; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 06:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.19 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310410080608307a9a76@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:08:29 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Doom3 Linux Binaries released In-Reply-To: <200410060116.31746.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1a3a3e3104100420282e310d77@mail.gmail.com> <200410060116.31746.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.657, required 6, BAYES_80 1.66) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > When Doom originally came out I once spent 12 hours 7pm - 7am, finishing all > the levels with a friend over the office LAN, and intercom. After all, we > were on the same side. > > That was the beginning of my LAN playing. It was so much fun that since then, > with the relatively few games I've bought, my dollar is probably exclusively > spent on network capable s/w. Teaming up, and in this case going after the > baddies, is the ultimate experience on computer gaming. Two-player co-op was/is one of my favorite ways to play Quake2 as well. But it tends to be overlooked in first person shooters because everybody wants deathmatch. > After a quick evaluation I decided to d/l the demo and check it out. It was a > lot of fun! Great graphics and, not too weak of a story. I'd love to see a > map of the labyrinth you go through! Hehe. It's pretty easy to loose your > heading as you descend into this Mars base. IMO the audio really defines the atmosphere, at least in the first section - partly because everything's so dark, and partly because the sound effects team really did a great job. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 8 09:10:19 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98DADJN026427 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:10:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i98DA8b5026426 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:10:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98DA0JN026400 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:10:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98D9pbL029714 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:10:00 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98D9f26009473 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:09:42 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.6] (222-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.222]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9321004BA for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <416691A3.8010803@myraandpete.net> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 09:09:55 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Reporting Software for Linux References: <200410081200.i98C02uj023213@rs16.luxsci.com> In-Reply-To: <200410081200.i98C02uj023213@rs16.luxsci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.706, required 6, AWL -0.64, BAYES_50 0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eric Jahn wrote: >I'm looking for cross-platform reporting software for linux that is similar in >functionality to Crystal Reports. All the good java-based software is >extremely expensive (like $1500 per 1 user license) and really meant only for >enterprise use, not as a standalone Desktop app, as Crystal can function. >Does anyone know of anything? I checked out Rekall's functionality, but it >seems to only handle MySQL and a couple other database types. Right now, I >just need the ability to report on .csv files. Agata's software is not >complete enough. Thanks! > > Curious, myself. Have you searched sourceforge.net for "crystal"? This pulled up several projects. I also found this forum that had several suggestions http://www.control.com/1003948909/index_html Pete S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 8 09:27:08 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98DQwJN026555 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:27:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i98DQqOU026554 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:26:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98DQkJN026548 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:26:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98DQebL030348 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:26:41 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98DQQHt007980 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:26:27 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.6] (222-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.222]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5141407861 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <41669590.8000205@myraandpete.net> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 09:26:40 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Phone push button menu software References: <31f1298604100805527952336a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <31f1298604100805527952336a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.346, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Robert Snyder wrote: >Looking for a solution for windows or linux for regular phone line or >voip, where if someone calls they get the welcome to xzy company. >Thing is that they will go through there menu and they will never get >anyone just different voice recordings. > >or something that not even computer based at all. Anything that would >suit this need would be great. > >the thing is that the system has to be multi level > >option 1 > subtion 2 > suboption of suboption >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > Having worked for several small companies as the IT guy... I usually ended up becoming the "phone guy" as well (guess it has to do something with being plugged into electricity). Back in 99', there was a software package in windows, that has some drag and drop voicemail features, after hours features, etc... ran about $500 (though did not include/required voice modems, PC/Server, etc.). "Call Center Pro". Not sure if it is still on market. Last company, I inherited a Panasonic PBX... good for about 25 to 50 users, with a command prompt (annoying) interface (off of a floppy/serial connection). The company had bought this for about $12,000 (I am guessing). They had about 70 employees, and the system was over burdened (and sometimes down). They have yet to sell the old system... might want to offer them $1000 or so. Since the phone system was part of their essential communications (they are an insurance company), I convinced them to switch over to a more reliable system, which cost about $75,000 (called Televantage). Great system, with gui, etc. but may not be what you are interested in. If considering VoIP, I would lean in the SIP direction, since this is an industry trend. I currently use "Vonage" as my backup phone for my cell (a home). I highly recommend this for a small business to consider, though again, this might not be the solution you are looking for. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 8 09:42:21 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98DgGJN026677 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:42:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i98DgFow026676 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:42:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98DgEJN026672 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:42:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98DgDbL030953 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:42:13 -0400 Received: from ctrust.com (mail.ctrust.com [207.59.126.35]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98Dfw26014034 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:41:58 -0400 Received: from Spooler by ctrust.com (Mercury/32 v4.01a) ID MO001734; 8 Oct 2004 09:39:52 -0400 Received: from spooler by ctrust.com (Mercury/32 v4.01a); 8 Oct 2004 09:39:48 -0400 From: To: slug@nks.net Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 09:39:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hard Drive Message-ID: <41666092.23387.51850E0D@ctrust.com> In-reply-to: <4165DD50.9019C42F@earthlink.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.288, required 6, AWL -1.13, BAYES_70 2.25, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 7 Oct 2004 at 20:20, SOTL wrote: > Hi All > > The simple question is: > Is there any way to determine if a hard drive [including controller] is > bad? > > The more complex version is: > Is it possible that a partition issue will allow a HD not to operate? > > What happened: > I viewed a web site which apparently had some script or language issue > that caused a issue with the linux partitions on the linux side of my > dual boot laptop. This has happen before and has not cause major > difficulties in repair in the past. > > At this point I could still boot into MS Windows. > > Later messing around with an attempt to reinstall Linux some how I may > have corrupted the boot loader or the HD just finally died but now it > will not boot into Windows. What I am trying to ascertain is if there is > any way to ascertain which. > > In trying to determine if the HD is operation but I have corrupted > partitions I downloads the latest Tomsrtbt. This latest version of > Tomsrtbt does work on the computer I down loads it with but it does not > work with either of my other two computers. I also have an older edition > of Tomsrtbt but it has never worked with the laptop. There was a driver > issue in the older version which apparently still exists in the newest > version. > > I have been loth to put the Windows reinstall disk in an attempt to > reinstall Windows and a non corrupt boot sequence as I have fears that I > may loose months of data and work even though the data was originally in > a separate partition which in the past has survived complete Windows and > Linux reinstalls. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Frank > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. If you suspect a disk failure, the fastest and best way to confirm that is to use the manufacturer's (hard disk manufacturer) diagnostic utilities. That will tell you if there is something wrong with the disk itself. Next get a Linux boot CD, and start with FSCK. Get creative with the switches, but be careful. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 8 10:11:34 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98EBNJN026887 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:11:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i98EBI6q026886 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:11:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98EBGJN026882 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:11:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98EBFbL031992 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:11:15 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98EB326018080 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:11:04 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 80so31873rnk for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.57 with SMTP id b57mr266334rnf; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.21 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 07:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860410080710116321a5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:10:58 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Phone push button menu software In-Reply-To: <41669590.8000205@myraandpete.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <31f1298604100805527952336a@mail.gmail.com> <41669590.8000205@myraandpete.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.026, required 6, AWL 0.03) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 09:26:40 -0400, Pete S. wrote: > > > Robert Snyder wrote: > > >Looking for a solution for windows or linux for regular phone line or > >voip, where if someone calls they get the welcome to xzy company. > >Thing is that they will go through there menu and they will never get > >anyone just different voice recordings. > > > >or something that not even computer based at all. Anything that would > >suit this need would be great. > > > >the thing is that the system has to be multi level > > > >option 1 > > subtion 2 > > suboption of suboption > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > > > > Having worked for several small companies as the IT guy... I usually > ended up becoming the "phone guy" as well (guess it has to do something > with being plugged into electricity). Back in 99', there was a software > package in windows, that has some drag and drop voicemail features, > after hours features, etc... ran about $500 (though did not > include/required voice modems, PC/Server, etc.). "Call Center Pro". > Not sure if it is still on market. Last company, I inherited a > Panasonic PBX... good for about 25 to 50 users, with a command prompt > (annoying) interface (off of a floppy/serial connection). The company > had bought this for about $12,000 (I am guessing). They had about 70 > employees, and the system was over burdened (and sometimes down). They > have yet to sell the old system... might want to offer them $1000 or > so. Since the phone system was part of their essential communications > (they are an insurance company), I convinced them to switch over to a > more reliable system, which cost about $75,000 (called Televantage). > Great system, with gui, etc. but may not be what you are interested in. > > If considering VoIP, I would lean in the SIP direction, since this is an > industry trend. > > I currently use "Vonage" as my backup phone for my cell (a home). I > highly recommend this for a small business to consider, though again, > this might not be the solution you are looking for. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > I think i am really looking for a voip solution. that might tie into a windows or linux machine. Why because for what they want Vonage is the best fit. This is for a very small business which had me make a website ( RentinMyTown.com) and yesterday they called up and said they wanted to take a baby step foward and have it if they recorded the rental info on be it tape or on hte computer as a mp3 or wav. But since they want mutliple numbers across tampa bay area and vonage offers the virtual number feature for only 5 dollars extra a month per virutal number .... it would allow them to have a number in 813 727 914(north) 914(south) Where 914 is handled by two companys and calling inbetween either one is long distance. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 8 10:13:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98EDbJN026903 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:13:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i98EDWrx026902 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:13:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98EDLJN026898 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:13:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98EDKbN032065 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:13:20 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98ED0Ht018113 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:13:00 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.6] (222-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.222]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACC91004A6 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 07:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4166A07A.9020900@myraandpete.net> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:13:14 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hard Drive References: <41666092.23387.51850E0D@ctrust.com> In-Reply-To: <41666092.23387.51850E0D@ctrust.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.346, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net craig@ctrust.com wrote: >On 7 Oct 2004 at 20:20, SOTL wrote: > > > >>Hi All >> >>The simple question is: >>Is there any way to determine if a hard drive [including controller] is >>bad? >> >>The more complex version is: >>Is it possible that a partition issue will allow a HD not to operate? >> >>What happened: >>I viewed a web site which apparently had some script or language issue >>that caused a issue with the linux partitions on the linux side of my >>dual boot laptop. This has happen before and has not cause major >>difficulties in repair in the past. >> >>At this point I could still boot into MS Windows. >> >>Later messing around with an attempt to reinstall Linux some how I may >>have corrupted the boot loader or the HD just finally died but now it >>will not boot into Windows. What I am trying to ascertain is if there is >>any way to ascertain which. >> >>In trying to determine if the HD is operation but I have corrupted >>partitions I downloads the latest Tomsrtbt. This latest version of >>Tomsrtbt does work on the computer I down loads it with but it does not >>work with either of my other two computers. I also have an older edition >>of Tomsrtbt but it has never worked with the laptop. There was a driver >>issue in the older version which apparently still exists in the newest >>version. >> >>I have been loth to put the Windows reinstall disk in an attempt to >>reinstall Windows and a non corrupt boot sequence as I have fears that I >>may loose months of data and work even though the data was originally in >>a separate partition which in the past has survived complete Windows and >>Linux reinstalls. >> >>Any suggestions would be appreciated. >> >>Thanks >> >>Frank >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >>posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >>official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. >> >> > >If you suspect a disk failure, the fastest and >best way to confirm that is to use the >manufacturer's (hard disk manufacturer) diagnostic >utilities. That will tell you if there is >something wrong with the disk itself. Next get a >Linux boot CD, and start with FSCK. Get creative >with the switches, but be careful. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > If another system is available, hook up the system as a slave drive, and view (copy important data, as well). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 8 10:40:03 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98EdqJN027091 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:39:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i98Edg0Z027090 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:39:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98EdWJN027085 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:39:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98EdWbL000569 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:39:32 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98EdNHt023483 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:39:23 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so30407rnk for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.82.20 with SMTP id f20mr189329rnb; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.19 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 07:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:39:15 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Galeon, may I have a dog, please? In-Reply-To: <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Hmm. Konqueror and Netscape were dogs on my system compared to Galeon. > Galeon had a smaller footprint, according to a chart I saw in one of the > Linux magazines many moons ago. I gave Galeon up when I kept being told > that development had slowed and would eventually cease. Caveat: I don't > run Gnome or KDE. I run XFCE, for what it's worth. I think the gecko renderer is just a high-memory component - the differences between the usages of the different gecko-based browsers are in how much stuff they wrap around it. On my old 32m ram machine, the only full-featured gui browser I could stand to use was Opera. Firephoenixbirdfox was very much heavier, then the various bare-bones-gecko-in-a-gtk-frame browsers (like skipstone), then mozilla and galeon(which varied between heavier and lighter with each version), and finally netscape7. I didn't list Konqueror because I find it breaks on a lot of sites for me. Actually a very fast gui browser that works well for most sites is links2 http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~clock/twibright/links/ Supports most javascript, and will even do gui html rendering in cli via svgalib. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 8 10:47:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98ElAJN027155 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:47:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i98El9SR027154 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:47:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98El3JN027146 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:47:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98EkvbL000869 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:46:57 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98Ekl26022965 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:46:47 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so31383rnk for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.96.30 with SMTP id t30mr193225rnb; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.19 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 07:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e31041008074643fa798f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:46:46 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <4166A07A.9020900@myraandpete.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41666092.23387.51850E0D@ctrust.com> <4166A07A.9020900@myraandpete.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.099, required 6, AWL 0.10, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I recently had a drive go bad - applications started giving me read errors, then the bios started complaining, then it just became generally unusable. Interesting that you mention different partitions having an effect, though. I had some ext3 and some xfs partitions on this drive, and it seemed like the xfs really exaggerated (or do I want to say exacerbated) the problem while the ext3 hid/worked around it as much as possible. Later I ended up wiping and reformatting the xfs part to ext3 and, while the problem didn't go away, it became a lot more usable until my replacement arrived. So I guess I'm still an ext3 fan. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 8 11:10:35 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98FAZJN027330 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:10:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i98FAOmS027329 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:10:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98FAFJN027325 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:10:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98FAEbL001756 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:10:15 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98FA0Ht030014 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:10:01 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 80so35261rnk for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.57 with SMTP id b57mr287841rnf; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.21 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f1298604100808093f2fd0e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:09:56 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Galeon, may I have a dog, please? In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:39:15 -0400, Levi Bard wrote: > > Hmm. Konqueror and Netscape were dogs on my system compared to Galeon. > > Galeon had a smaller footprint, according to a chart I saw in one of the > > Linux magazines many moons ago. I gave Galeon up when I kept being told > > that development had slowed and would eventually cease. Caveat: I don't > > run Gnome or KDE. I run XFCE, for what it's worth. > > I think the gecko renderer is just a high-memory component - the > differences between the usages of the different gecko-based browsers > are in how much stuff they wrap around it. On my old 32m ram machine, > the only full-featured gui browser I could stand to use was Opera. > Firephoenixbirdfox was very much heavier, then the various > bare-bones-gecko-in-a-gtk-frame browsers (like skipstone), then > mozilla and galeon(which varied between heavier and lighter with each > version), and finally netscape7. > > I didn't list Konqueror because I find it breaks on a lot of sites for me. > > Actually a very fast gui browser that works well for most sites is > links2 http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~clock/twibright/links/ > Supports most javascript, and will even do gui html rendering in cli > via svgalib. Galeon and emphany are pretty snappy to me so is firefox gotten extremely snappy with my vidalinux ( gentoo with gui installer) because everything is optimized for my processor which seems to make a difference. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 8 11:16:25 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98FGJJN027371 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:16:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i98FGE4F027369 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:16:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98FG2JN027360 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:16:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98FFvbL002013 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:15:57 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98FFg26027473 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:15:42 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 80so35539rnk for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.17 with SMTP id b17mr287917rnf; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.21 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f1298604100808153d552de2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:15:41 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e31041008074643fa798f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41666092.23387.51850E0D@ctrust.com> <4166A07A.9020900@myraandpete.net> <1a3a3e31041008074643fa798f@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.024, required 6, AWL 0.03, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net While it is not free. I would suggest people pay the small fee for SprinRite5 you can boot it from a floppy or now cdrom. Best tool to get make . model. manufacture, plus fine and fix bad physical sectors. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 8 13:53:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98HrSJN028479 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:53:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i98HrMPY028478 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:53:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98HrDJN028470 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:53:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98Hqsbd007994 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:53:00 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (rrcs-67-78-17-122.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.122]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98HqJHt000828 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:52:19 -0400 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id 0B9A220704E; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.239] (unknown [192.168.1.239]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8C4206FFC for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] FC2+KDE3.3+KDE Bluetooth Framework From: "Tom E. Craddock, Jr." To: SLUG Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097257935.27785.20.camel@thor> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:52:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.524, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey, I'm trying to get the Pharos Bluetooth GPS Receiver* to work with the setup in the subject, which is running on my HP zt3380us laptop, which has built in Bluetooth. Ive been able to get some success with BT working in FC2 with gnome-bluetooth and the bluez packages, but its limited in its functions. The KDE BT framework** seems to have a bit more functionality, so I'm working on getting that running. I usually install from rpms, as I haven't done alot of building from source, but the KDE BT framework doesn't have any rpms, so I followed the docs from the KDE BT homepage (link below) and I'm getting stuck. When I do the following I get an error: > [root@thor kdeextragear-3]# ./configure --prefix=/usr > checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c > checking for -p flag to install... yes > checking whether build environment is sane... yes > checking for gawk... gawk > checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes > checking for kde-config... /usr/bin/kde-config > checking where to install... /usr (as requested) > checking for style of include used by make... GNU > checking for gcc... gcc > checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out > checking whether the C compiler works... yes > checking whether we are cross compiling... no > checking for suffix of executables... > checking for suffix of object files... o > checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes > checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes > checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed > checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3 > checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E > checking for g++... g++ > checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes > checking whether g++ accepts -g... yes > checking dependency style of g++... gcc3 > checking whether g++ supports -Wmissing-format-attribute... yes > checking whether gcc supports -Wmissing-format-attribute... yes > checking whether g++ supports -Wundef... yes > checking whether g++ supports -Wno-long-long... yes > checking whether g++ supports -Wnon-virtual-dtor... yes > checking whether g++ supports -fno-exceptions... yes > checking whether g++ supports -fno-check-new... yes > checking whether g++ supports -fno-common... yes > checking whether g++ supports -fexceptions... yes > checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... g++ -E > checking whether g++ supports -O0... yes > checking whether g++ supports -Wl,--no-undefined... yes > checking whether g++ supports -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined... yes > not using lib directory suffix > checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /bin/sed > checking for egrep... grep -E > checking for ld used by gcc... /usr/bin/ld > checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes > checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r > checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/nm -B > checking whether ln -s works... yes > checking how to recognise dependent libraries... pass_all > checking for ANSI C header files... yes > checking for sys/types.h... yes > checking for sys/stat.h... yes > checking for stdlib.h... yes > checking for string.h... yes > checking for memory.h... yes > checking for strings.h... yes > checking for inttypes.h... yes > checking for stdint.h... yes > checking for unistd.h... yes > checking dlfcn.h usability... yes > checking dlfcn.h presence... yes > checking for dlfcn.h... yes > checking for g77... g77 > checking whether we are using the GNU Fortran 77 compiler... yes > checking whether g77 accepts -g... yes > checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 32768 > checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output from gcc object... ok > checking for objdir... .libs > checking for ar... ar > checking for ranlib... ranlib > checking for strip... strip > checking if gcc static flag works... yes > checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... no > checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC > checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes > checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes > checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes > checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no > checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so > checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate > checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes > checking for shl_load... no > checking for shl_load in -ldld... no > checking for dlopen... no > checking for dlopen in -ldl... yes > checking whether a program can dlopen itself... yes > checking whether a statically linked program can dlopen itself... yes > checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes > checking whether to build shared libraries... yes > checking whether to build static libraries... no > configure: creating libtool > appending configuration tag "CXX" to libtool > checking for ld used by g++... /usr/bin/ld > checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes > checking whether the g++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes > checking for g++ option to produce PIC... -fPIC > checking if g++ PIC flag -fPIC works... yes > checking if g++ supports -c -o file.o... yes > checking whether the g++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes > checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so > checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate > checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes > checking for shl_load... (cached) no > checking for shl_load in -ldld... (cached) no > checking for dlopen... (cached) no > checking for dlopen in -ldl... (cached) yes > checking whether a program can dlopen itself... (cached) yes > checking whether a statically linked program can dlopen itself... (cached) yes > appending configuration tag "F77" to libtool > checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes > checking whether to build shared libraries... yes > checking whether to build static libraries... no > checking for g77 option to produce PIC... -fPIC > checking if g77 PIC flag -fPIC works... yes > checking if g77 supports -c -o file.o... yes > checking whether the g77 linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes > checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so > checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate > checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes > checking for msgfmt... /usr/bin/msgfmt > checking for gmsgfmt... /usr/bin/msgfmt > checking for xgettext... /usr/bin/xgettext > checking if C++ programs can be compiled... yes > checking for strlcat... no > checking if strlcat needs custom prototype... yes - in libkdefakes > checking for strlcpy... no > checking if strlcpy needs custom prototype... yes - in libkdefakes > checking for main in -lutil... yes > checking for main in -lcompat... no > checking for crypt in -lcrypt... yes > checking for socklen_t... yes > checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet... no > checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet_stub... no > checking for inet_ntoa... yes > checking for connect... yes > checking for remove... yes > checking for shmat... yes > checking for sys/types.h... (cached) yes > checking for stdint.h... (cached) yes > checking sys/bitypes.h usability... yes > checking sys/bitypes.h presence... yes > checking for sys/bitypes.h... yes > checking for poll in -lpoll... no > checking CoreAudio/CoreAudio.h usability... no > checking CoreAudio/CoreAudio.h presence... no > checking for CoreAudio/CoreAudio.h... no > checking if res_init needs -lresolv... yes > checking for res_init... yes > checking if res_init needs custom prototype... no > checking for killpg in -lucb... no > checking for int... yes > checking size of int... 4 > checking for short... yes > checking size of short... 2 > checking for long... yes > checking size of long... 4 > checking for char *... yes > checking size of char *... 4 > checking for dlopen in -ldl... (cached) yes > checking for shl_unload in -ldld... no > checking for size_t... yes > checking size of size_t... 4 > checking for unsigned long... yes > checking size of unsigned long... 4 > checking sizeof size_t == sizeof unsigned long... yes > checking crt_externs.h usability... no > checking crt_externs.h presence... no > checking for crt_externs.h... no > checking for _NSGetEnviron... no > checking for vsnprintf... yes > checking for snprintf... yes > checking for X... libraries /usr/X11R6/lib, headers /usr/X11R6/include > checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... yes > checking for libXext... yes > checking for pthread_create in -lpthread... yes > checking for extra includes... no > checking for extra libs... no > checking for libz... -lz > checking for libpng... -lpng -lz -lm > checking for libjpeg6b... no > checking for libjpeg... -ljpeg > checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl > checking for Qt... libraries /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib, headers /usr/lib/qt-3.3/include using -mt > checking for moc... /usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin/moc > checking for uic... /usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin/uic > checking whether uic supports -L ... yes > checking whether uic supports -nounload ... yes > checking if Qt needs -ljpeg... no > checking for rpath... yes > checking for KDE... configure: error: > in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. > So, check this please and use another prefix! > [root@thor kdeextragear-3]# After that, I'm lost, as I don't know where to tell it to look for the KDE headers. If you need anymore info about my setup to help me out, please let me know. TIA. Tom E. Craddock, Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 8 14:12:44 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98ICcJN028617 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:12:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i98ICWaD028616 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:12:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i98ICVJN028612 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:12:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98ICVbL008733 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:12:31 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (rrcs-67-78-17-122.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.122]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i98IC926021167 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:12:09 -0400 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id 23DC520704E; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.239] (unknown [192.168.1.239]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B53206FFC for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] FC2+KDE3.3+KDE Bluetooth Framework From: "Tom E. Craddock, Jr." To: SLUG Mailing List In-Reply-To: <1097257935.27785.20.camel@thor> References: <1097257935.27785.20.camel@thor> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097259127.6934.1.camel@thor> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:12:07 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.528, required 6, AWL 0.38, BAYES_10 -0.91) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 13:52, Tom E. Craddock, Jr. wrote: > Hey, > > I'm trying to get the Pharos Bluetooth GPS Receiver* to work with the > setup in the subject, which is running on my HP zt3380us laptop, which > has built in Bluetooth. Ive been able to get some success with BT > working in FC2 with gnome-bluetooth and the bluez packages, but its > limited in its functions. The KDE BT framework** seems to have a bit > more functionality, so I'm working on getting that running. I usually > install from rpms, as I haven't done alot of building from source, but > the KDE BT framework doesn't have any rpms, so I followed the docs from > the KDE BT homepage (link below) and I'm getting stuck. When I do the > following I get an error: > > > > > [root@thor kdeextragear-3]# ./configure --prefix=/usr > > checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > > checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > > checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu > > checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c > > checking for -p flag to install... yes > > checking whether build environment is sane... yes > > checking for gawk... gawk > > checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes > > checking for kde-config... /usr/bin/kde-config > > checking where to install... /usr (as requested) > > checking for style of include used by make... GNU > > checking for gcc... gcc > > checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out > > checking whether the C compiler works... yes > > checking whether we are cross compiling... no > > checking for suffix of executables... > > checking for suffix of object files... o > > checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes > > checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes > > checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed > > checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3 > > checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E > > checking for g++... g++ > > checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes > > checking whether g++ accepts -g... yes > > checking dependency style of g++... gcc3 > > checking whether g++ supports -Wmissing-format-attribute... yes > > checking whether gcc supports -Wmissing-format-attribute... yes > > checking whether g++ supports -Wundef... yes > > checking whether g++ supports -Wno-long-long... yes > > checking whether g++ supports -Wnon-virtual-dtor... yes > > checking whether g++ supports -fno-exceptions... yes > > checking whether g++ supports -fno-check-new... yes > > checking whether g++ supports -fno-common... yes > > checking whether g++ supports -fexceptions... yes > > checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... g++ -E > > checking whether g++ supports -O0... yes > > checking whether g++ supports -Wl,--no-undefined... yes > > checking whether g++ supports -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined... yes > > not using lib directory suffix > > checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /bin/sed > > checking for egrep... grep -E > > checking for ld used by gcc... /usr/bin/ld > > checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes > > checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r > > checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/nm -B > > checking whether ln -s works... yes > > checking how to recognise dependent libraries... pass_all > > checking for ANSI C header files... yes > > checking for sys/types.h... yes > > checking for sys/stat.h... yes > > checking for stdlib.h... yes > > checking for string.h... yes > > checking for memory.h... yes > > checking for strings.h... yes > > checking for inttypes.h... yes > > checking for stdint.h... yes > > checking for unistd.h... yes > > checking dlfcn.h usability... yes > > checking dlfcn.h presence... yes > > checking for dlfcn.h... yes > > checking for g77... g77 > > checking whether we are using the GNU Fortran 77 compiler... yes > > checking whether g77 accepts -g... yes > > checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 32768 > > checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output from gcc object... ok > > checking for objdir... .libs > > checking for ar... ar > > checking for ranlib... ranlib > > checking for strip... strip > > checking if gcc static flag works... yes > > checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... no > > checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC > > checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes > > checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes > > checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes > > checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no > > checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so > > checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate > > checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes > > checking for shl_load... no > > checking for shl_load in -ldld... no > > checking for dlopen... no > > checking for dlopen in -ldl... yes > > checking whether a program can dlopen itself... yes > > checking whether a statically linked program can dlopen itself... yes > > checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes > > checking whether to build shared libraries... yes > > checking whether to build static libraries... no > > configure: creating libtool > > appending configuration tag "CXX" to libtool > > checking for ld used by g++... /usr/bin/ld > > checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes > > checking whether the g++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes > > checking for g++ option to produce PIC... -fPIC > > checking if g++ PIC flag -fPIC works... yes > > checking if g++ supports -c -o file.o... yes > > checking whether the g++ linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes > > checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so > > checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate > > checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes > > checking for shl_load... (cached) no > > checking for shl_load in -ldld... (cached) no > > checking for dlopen... (cached) no > > checking for dlopen in -ldl... (cached) yes > > checking whether a program can dlopen itself... (cached) yes > > checking whether a statically linked program can dlopen itself... (cached) yes > > appending configuration tag "F77" to libtool > > checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes > > checking whether to build shared libraries... yes > > checking whether to build static libraries... no > > checking for g77 option to produce PIC... -fPIC > > checking if g77 PIC flag -fPIC works... yes > > checking if g77 supports -c -o file.o... yes > > checking whether the g77 linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes > > checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so > > checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate > > checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes > > checking for msgfmt... /usr/bin/msgfmt > > checking for gmsgfmt... /usr/bin/msgfmt > > checking for xgettext... /usr/bin/xgettext > > checking if C++ programs can be compiled... yes > > checking for strlcat... no > > checking if strlcat needs custom prototype... yes - in libkdefakes > > checking for strlcpy... no > > checking if strlcpy needs custom prototype... yes - in libkdefakes > > checking for main in -lutil... yes > > checking for main in -lcompat... no > > checking for crypt in -lcrypt... yes > > checking for socklen_t... yes > > checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet... no > > checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet_stub... no > > checking for inet_ntoa... yes > > checking for connect... yes > > checking for remove... yes > > checking for shmat... yes > > checking for sys/types.h... (cached) yes > > checking for stdint.h... (cached) yes > > checking sys/bitypes.h usability... yes > > checking sys/bitypes.h presence... yes > > checking for sys/bitypes.h... yes > > checking for poll in -lpoll... no > > checking CoreAudio/CoreAudio.h usability... no > > checking CoreAudio/CoreAudio.h presence... no > > checking for CoreAudio/CoreAudio.h... no > > checking if res_init needs -lresolv... yes > > checking for res_init... yes > > checking if res_init needs custom prototype... no > > checking for killpg in -lucb... no > > checking for int... yes > > checking size of int... 4 > > checking for short... yes > > checking size of short... 2 > > checking for long... yes > > checking size of long... 4 > > checking for char *... yes > > checking size of char *... 4 > > checking for dlopen in -ldl... (cached) yes > > checking for shl_unload in -ldld... no > > checking for size_t... yes > > checking size of size_t... 4 > > checking for unsigned long... yes > > checking size of unsigned long... 4 > > checking sizeof size_t == sizeof unsigned long... yes > > checking crt_externs.h usability... no > > checking crt_externs.h presence... no > > checking for crt_externs.h... no > > checking for _NSGetEnviron... no > > checking for vsnprintf... yes > > checking for snprintf... yes > > checking for X... libraries /usr/X11R6/lib, headers /usr/X11R6/include > > checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... yes > > checking for libXext... yes > > checking for pthread_create in -lpthread... yes > > checking for extra includes... no > > checking for extra libs... no > > checking for libz... -lz > > checking for libpng... -lpng -lz -lm > > checking for libjpeg6b... no > > checking for libjpeg... -ljpeg > > checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl > > checking for Qt... libraries /usr/lib/qt-3.3/lib, headers /usr/lib/qt-3.3/include using -mt > > checking for moc... /usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin/moc > > checking for uic... /usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin/uic > > checking whether uic supports -L ... yes > > checking whether uic supports -nounload ... yes > > checking if Qt needs -ljpeg... no > > checking for rpath... yes > > checking for KDE... configure: error: > > in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. > > So, check this please and use another prefix! > > [root@thor kdeextragear-3]# > > > > After that, I'm lost, as I don't know where to tell it to look for > the KDE headers. If you need anymore info about my setup to > help me out, please let me know. TIA. > > Tom E. Craddock, Jr. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > Meant to include these links in the original post Pharos BT-GPS-http://www.pharosgps.com/products/bluetooth/PT100.htm KDE BT Framework-http://kde-bluetooth.sourceforge.net/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 8 22:22:16 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i992MGJN032060 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:22:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i992MAZr032059 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:22:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i992M9JN032055 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:22:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i992M8bL026935 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:22:08 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i992M0Ht010782 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:22:00 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.10] (222-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.222]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A6C881BC9 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <41674B56.2080106@myraandpete.net> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 22:22:14 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] LinuxAppeal goes live References: <1097257935.27785.20.camel@thor> <1097259127.6934.1.camel@thor> In-Reply-To: <1097259127.6934.1.camel@thor> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=8.745, required 6, BAYES_99 5.40, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://linuxappeal.net/ "LinuxAppeal goes live Posted by sparky at 09:53 on Oct 06, 2004 After a month of writing code and extensive testing, I finally feel that LinuxAppeal is ready to go live. If you have ever wished there was a driver for a piece of hardware, or software not available for Linux, please register and write a petition. Chances are, many others feel the same way, and can then also petition that particular company. Also, please tell your friends." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 8 23:02:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99324JN032367 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:02:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i99324tH032366 for slug-track29; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:02:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99322JN032362 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:02:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99321bN028294 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:02:02 -0400 Received: from cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net (cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.226]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9931IHt018581 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:01:18 -0400 Received: from dialup-4.247.209.165.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.209.165] helo=earthlink.net) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CG7Tx-0007B3-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:01:17 -0700 Message-ID: <4167577B.4B76D767@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:14:03 -0400 From: SOTL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hard Drive References: <41666092.23387.51850E0D@ctrust.com> <4166A07A.9020900@myraandpete.net> <1a3a3e31041008074643fa798f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.692, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi All Lets be clear about the sequence of events here. 1. First, I entered a web site which may or [may not] have caused a HD issue. I suspect yes because of the response of the drive and because I have had this happen in the past. How I do not have a clue; that is way above my level. 2. My normal method of solving these type of issues is to reinstall the system which is Mandrake 9.1. Problem I have no idea where the system disk but I did find the 9.2 disk which system I do not like. The 9.1 disk is DVD while the 9.2 is CD. There are major differences between the DVD and CD version; the DVD having all the programs in the CD version plus a number of ones including like Midnight Commander which I like. Since I plan on upgrading to 10.1 ASAP I decided I would sacrifice the additional programs in 9.1 and update to 9.2. 3. At this point I can still boot Windows. Being some what whipped out I did what I should never do and started trying to repair a computer. I thus proceed to put the install / update first disk of 9.2 in the old CD drive. 4. My update process ended half way through the process with an error message of unable to find something; if I recall correctly the HD but it could have been something else. I tried this a number of times. The HD made a horrible scratching sound here in Linux but not in Windows. I can still boot windows at this point. 5. The next day or maybe the following day, most probably the following day, I tried again. This is when I lost the ability to boot into either Windows or Linux so the boot record is now corrupt. For me loosing boot is normal too when I have problems with reinstallation. This is where I stopped two days ago. My next idea was to reinstall Windows which should allow me to boot widows if I did not destroy the Windows separation partitions. As for partitions the drive is partitioned as follows: hda1 10GB Windows Sorry I forgot the petition type but it is Windows XP standard hda2 20GB Data Fat32 hda3 100 MB /boot ext3 hda4 10GB / ext3 hda5 10GB /home ext3 Personally I do not see an issue with what I am proposing but considering ny last two week hard luck I chickened out and posted my posting. As far as the hard luck lets let that suffice with the above computer issues and the fact that I broke mt hand. Typing with two fingers on one hand is a bitch. I will also state for what ever reason my Linux desktop system is down too for some reason related to modem. That one I don't get as I have a system on one of my drawer HD that has not been used in a couple of years. Implication being this is a hardware problem which will have to wait until I have two hands to work with. Question: Does anyone have any better idea of how to verify if the HD is bad or good with out using the recovery disk. I did not get a tools or diagnostic disk. Thank Frank Levi Bard wrote: > I recently had a drive go bad - applications started giving me read > errors, then the bios started complaining, then it just became > generally unusable. Interesting that you mention different partitions > having an effect, though. I had some ext3 and some xfs partitions on > this drive, and it seemed like the xfs really exaggerated (or do I > want to say exacerbated) the problem while the ext3 hid/worked around > it as much as possible. Later I ended up wiping and reformatting the > xfs part to ext3 and, while the problem didn't go away, it became a > lot more usable until my replacement arrived. > > So I guess I'm still an ext3 fan. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 9 00:59:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i994xCJN000719 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:59:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i994xCMD000718 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:59:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i994x0JN000710 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:59:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i994wpbL000835 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:58:52 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i994wQ26016569 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:58:40 -0400 Received: from pool-37.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.217] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.03k/96) id 9CH5D00 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 00:57:47 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Two quick unrelated Q's Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:46:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410090046.27527.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.91, required 6, AWL -0.01, BAYES_30 -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers, First quick question. Using SuSE 8.2. Have a dual boot W98 & Suse on different hard drives Used the partioner to delete 3 old partions from W98. /E, & /F. (hda) In their place I made an ext3 partition so I could back up from Linux to the other disk. (is now a partition on the other (W98 disk) Previous to that I had a partition on the second disk (hdb) which I had made vfat to make as a common ground for W98 and Linux files and/or backup for W98. This was called /windows/G. Now, since E & F were gone I changed the mount point for the G drive to E. This was designated in the partitioner and in my fstab file. However, when I try to mount /windows/E I get the message that /windows/G is not found in the fstab or mtab files. But it is no longer "G", it is now "E". What have I missed here ?? Second question: Rather than continually switch from user to root I made myself (who is really root) a member of the "root group" Is there some unknown unforeseen security danger in this strategy? Bob Stia Hmmmm....Guess it should have been two separate requests/postings. Oh well !!! Answer on either if it pleases you to do so. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 9 08:45:59 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99CjsJN004190 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:45:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i99CjrdF004189 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:45:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99CjqJN004185 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:45:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99CjqbL019837 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:45:52 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99CjZHt014768 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:45:36 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so107652rnk for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 05:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.75.38 with SMTP id x38mr689594rna; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 05:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.14 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 05:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:45:34 -0400 From: Bill Shaw To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <4167577B.4B76D767@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41666092.23387.51850E0D@ctrust.com> <4166A07A.9020900@myraandpete.net> <1a3a3e31041008074643fa798f@mail.gmail.com> <4167577B.4B76D767@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Frank, Short of what's already been suggested(diagnostic disk, slave, bootable linux) I don't know of any other way of testing the drive. On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:14:03 -0400, SOTL wrote: > Hi All > > Lets be clear about the sequence of events here. > > 1. First, I entered a web site which may or [may not] have caused a HD > issue. I suspect yes because of the response of the drive and because I > have had this happen in the past. How I do not have a clue; that is way > above my level. > > 2. My normal method of solving these type of issues is to reinstall the > system which is Mandrake 9.1. Problem I have no idea where the system disk > but I did find the 9.2 disk which system I do not like. The 9.1 disk is DVD > while the 9.2 is CD. There are major differences between the DVD and CD > version; the DVD having all the programs in the CD version plus a number of > ones including like Midnight Commander which I like. Since I plan on > upgrading to 10.1 ASAP I decided I would sacrifice the additional programs > in 9.1 and update to 9.2. > > 3. At this point I can still boot Windows. Being some what whipped out I > did what I should never do and started trying to repair a computer. I thus > proceed to put the install / update first disk of 9.2 in the old CD drive. > > 4. My update process ended half way through the process with an error > message of unable to find something; if I recall correctly the HD but it > could have been something else. I tried this a number of times. The HD made > a horrible scratching sound here in Linux but not in Windows. I can still > boot windows at this point. > > 5. The next day or maybe the following day, most probably the following > day, I tried again. This is when I lost the ability to boot into either > Windows or Linux so the boot record is now corrupt. For me loosing boot is > normal too when I have problems with reinstallation. This is where I > stopped two days ago. > > My next idea was to reinstall Windows which should allow me to boot widows > if I did not destroy the Windows separation partitions. > > As for partitions the drive is partitioned as follows: > hda1 10GB Windows Sorry I forgot the petition type but it is Windows XP > standard > hda2 20GB Data Fat32 > hda3 100 MB /boot ext3 > hda4 10GB / ext3 > hda5 10GB /home ext3 > > Personally I do not see an issue with what I am proposing but considering > ny last two week hard luck I chickened out and posted my posting. > > As far as the hard luck lets let that suffice with the above computer > issues and the fact that I broke mt hand. Typing with two fingers on one > hand is a bitch. I will also state for what ever reason my Linux desktop > system is down too for some reason related to modem. That one I don't get > as I have a system on one of my drawer HD that has not been used in a > couple of years. Implication being this is a hardware problem which will > have to wait until I have two hands to work with. > > Question: Does anyone have any better idea of how to verify if the HD is > bad or good with out using the recovery disk. I did not get a tools or > diagnostic disk. > > Thank > > Frank > > > > > Levi Bard wrote: > > > I recently had a drive go bad - applications started giving me read > > errors, then the bios started complaining, then it just became > > generally unusable. Interesting that you mention different partitions > > having an effect, though. I had some ext3 and some xfs partitions on > > this drive, and it seemed like the xfs really exaggerated (or do I > > want to say exacerbated) the problem while the ext3 hid/worked around > > it as much as possible. Later I ended up wiping and reformatting the > > xfs part to ext3 and, while the problem didn't go away, it became a > > lot more usable until my replacement arrived. > > > > So I guess I'm still an ext3 fan. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 9 10:17:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99EGxJN004847 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:17:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i99EGxhI004846 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:16:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99EGwJN004842 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:16:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99EGvbL023742 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:16:57 -0400 Received: from ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (rrcs-24-73-203-10.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.203.10]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99EGk26002800 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:16:46 -0400 Received: from [192.168.100.100] (administrator.dimensionnetworks.com [192.168.100.100]) by ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24B8176C09 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Two quick unrelated Q's From: Larry Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200410090046.27527.rnr@sanctum.com> References: <200410090046.27527.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097331482.16831.5623.camel@administrator.dimensionnetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:18:02 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90) X-MailScanner-From: larry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.673, required 6, AWL -0.67, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net One of the biggest reasons for not running as root is that any script/app that you run will be able to make any damaging changes to the system possible. If you do not run as root and hince do not have authority to make system changes, then none of the apps you execute can cause damage to those restricted files. So if you give the user you log in as an ID of 0, then if you launch something with a trojan etc by accident, it will have free reign on your system. On Sat, 2004-10-09 at 00:46, Bob Stia wrote: > Hello Sluggers, > > First quick question. Using SuSE 8.2. Have a dual boot W98 & Suse on > different hard drives Used the partioner to delete 3 old partions from W98. > /E, & /F. (hda) In their place I made an ext3 partition so I could back up > from Linux to the other disk. (is now a partition on the other (W98 disk) > > Previous to that I had a partition on the second disk (hdb) which I had made > vfat to make as a common ground for W98 and Linux files and/or backup for > W98. This was called /windows/G. Now, since E & F were gone I changed the > mount point for the G drive to E. This was designated in the partitioner and > in my fstab file. > > However, when I try to mount /windows/E I get the message that /windows/G > is not found in the fstab or mtab files. But it is no longer "G", it is now > "E". What have I missed here ?? > > Second question: Rather than continually switch from user to root I made > myself (who is really root) a member of the "root group" Is there some > unknown unforeseen security danger in this strategy? > > Bob Stia > > Hmmmm....Guess it should have been two separate requests/postings. > Oh well !!! Answer on either if it pleases you to do so. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 9 10:24:06 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99EO0JN004912 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:24:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i99EO0R0004911 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:24:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99ENmJN004907 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:23:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99ENmbL024064 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:23:48 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99ENZ26003984 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:23:40 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGI8E-0005qk-Gs for slug@nks.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 09:23:35 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hard Drive Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:23:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <41666092.23387.51850E0D@ctrust.com> <4167577B.4B76D767@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410091023.31525.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.158, required 6, AWL -0.54, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 09 October 2004 08:45 am, Bill Shaw wrote: > Frank, > > Short of what's already been suggested(diagnostic disk, slave, > bootable linux) I don't know of any other way of testing the drive. > > On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:14:03 -0400, SOTL wrote: > > Hi All > > > > Lets be clear about the sequence of events here. > > > > 1. First, I entered a web site which may or [may not] have caused a HD > > issue. I suspect yes because of the response of the drive and because I > > have had this happen in the past. How I do not have a clue; that is way > > above my level. If you are running windows you can easily have gotten viral instructions installed and executed. Now from Windows you cannot read or write a Linux partition, but you can write anywhere using low level instructions. You get these instructions from f.ex. an image or a web page. Windows just executed them for you in it's quest of being helpful. > > 2. My normal method of solving these type of issues is to reinstall the > > system which is Mandrake 9.1. Problem I have no idea where the system > > disk but I did find the 9.2 disk which system I do not like. The 9.1 disk > > is DVD while the 9.2 is CD. There are major differences between the DVD > > and CD version; the DVD having all the programs in the CD version plus a > > number of ones including like Midnight Commander which I like. Since I > > plan on upgrading to 10.1 ASAP I decided I would sacrifice the additional > > programs in 9.1 and update to 9.2. Sorry I have no idea of what you are saying here, and I've not followed the thread (I just jumped in when I saw it had not resolved.) Try to rephrase it. If you are missing CD's then download them. If you cannot then have someone do it for you. If you live in Clw I can help you as I have all versions. > > 3. At this point I can still boot Windows. Being some what whipped out I > > did what I should never do and started trying to repair a computer. I > > thus proceed to put the install / update first disk of 9.2 in the old CD > > drive. > > > > 4. My update process ended half way through the process with an error > > message of unable to find something; if I recall correctly the HD but it > > could have been something else. I tried this a number of times. The HD > > made a horrible scratching sound here in Linux but not in Windows. I can > > still boot windows at this point. Scratching sound is an absolute no no. The head on a drive is flying over the surface at a distance which is so narrow that a piece of hair is like a house on the road. If it touches the surface it will scratch it and that portion will become useless. That drive is fatally wounded if it made a scratching sound. > > 5. The next day or maybe the following day, most probably the following > > day, I tried again. This is when I lost the ability to boot into either > > Windows or Linux so the boot record is now corrupt. For me loosing boot > > is normal too when I have problems with reinstallation. This is where I > > stopped two days ago. > > > > My next idea was to reinstall Windows which should allow me to boot > > widows if I did not destroy the Windows separation partitions. > > > > As for partitions the drive is partitioned as follows: > > hda1 10GB Windows Sorry I forgot the petition type but it is Windows XP > > standard > > hda2 20GB Data Fat32 > > hda3 100 MB /boot ext3 > > hda4 10GB / ext3 > > hda5 10GB /home ext3 > > > > Personally I do not see an issue with what I am proposing but considering > > ny last two week hard luck I chickened out and posted my posting. > > > > As far as the hard luck lets let that suffice with the above computer > > issues and the fact that I broke mt hand. Typing with two fingers on one > > hand is a bitch. I will also state for what ever reason my Linux desktop > > system is down too for some reason related to modem. That one I don't get > > as I have a system on one of my drawer HD that has not been used in a > > couple of years. Implication being this is a hardware problem which will > > have to wait until I have two hands to work with. > > > > Question: Does anyone have any better idea of how to verify if the HD is > > bad or good with out using the recovery disk. I did not get a tools or > > diagnostic disk. Simply create one partition on the drive and checking it with df will tell you how much of the drive is useful. It will skip over bad sectors, and what remains should be good. So you will see with 'df -h' the size of that partition (in a human formatted list). You could test it further by writing to the whole drive. (I suggest you use Linux to test with has it's more efficient.) You will need Linux running of a floppy or CD. Format the whole drive with ext3 and write a little script that writes to the whole drive. Like so: #!/bin/sh i=0 Disk="" while [ "$Disk" != "100%" ] ;do i(($i+1) clear echo $i echo "$i" >> testfile Disk=`df|grep "hda1 "|cut -d" " -f22` done df -h You may need to play with f22 as it can vary depending on your version of df. If you don't know what the script does; It loops through the instructions until the disk is reportedly full. While doing so it increases a counter $i. Disk is a variable that contains the value of drive usage. When it says "100%" it will stop the looping. Then report your disk usage. That Disk= line does this; The variable Disk receives the result of what's to the right of the equal sign. It executes disk free to see how much the disk is used. But since we only want one value (% used) we use grep and cut to get to that value. Grep locates the line which has the value, and cut cuts out the specific field we are looking for. f22 is the field number. We arrive at 22 as there are many spaces on the line, and each space is a field. So you should execute this manually first to make sure it matches what you have. You can play wit the number to see what it picks up. Do whis; df (Note the size used, is probably 0%) df |grep "hda1 " (that has a space inside the quotes) df|grep "hda1 "|cut -d" " -f22 If that produces "0%" (or the size used) then we are fine. If not play with 22 until it does. You are now ready to write the script. Earlier I said "reportedly full". When df is executed it only has full percentages to play with. So it will round off and that means you still have a few bytes left when it goes from 99% to 100%. But for all practical purposes it will be full. Note the number the script has at the end as you could add code that reads the drive back and it should be able to count with it. I'll give you that code if you get that far. Remember you need to format the drive using ext2 or ext3, and it needs to be one big partition, and only one. The script can be written on the test drive. I think I covered everything here... : ) -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 9 10:25:56 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99EPpJN004951 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:25:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i99EPo12004950 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:25:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99EPnJN004946 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:25:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99EPnbL024139 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:25:49 -0400 Received: from ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (rrcs-24-73-203-10.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.203.10]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99EPgHt004416 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:25:42 -0400 Received: from [192.168.100.100] (administrator.dimensionnetworks.com [192.168.100.100]) by ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F409B176C09 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hard Drive From: Larry Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <4167577B.4B76D767@earthlink.net> References: <41666092.23387.51850E0D@ctrust.com> <4166A07A.9020900@myraandpete.net> <1a3a3e31041008074643fa798f@mail.gmail.com> <4167577B.4B76D767@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097332021.16831.5630.camel@administrator.dimensionnetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:27:01 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90) X-MailScanner-From: larry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I still must be missing something... You say the hard drive makes a "scratching sound"? Is that not a fairly substantial indicator that the drive has seen its last days or at least an indicator that you shouldn't count on it providing dependable performance? Or is this an academic matter? On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 23:14, SOTL wrote: > Hi All > > Lets be clear about the sequence of events here. > > 1. First, I entered a web site which may or [may not] have caused a HD > issue. I suspect yes because of the response of the drive and because I > have had this happen in the past. How I do not have a clue; that is way > above my level. > > 2. My normal method of solving these type of issues is to reinstall the > system which is Mandrake 9.1. Problem I have no idea where the system disk > but I did find the 9.2 disk which system I do not like. The 9.1 disk is DVD > while the 9.2 is CD. There are major differences between the DVD and CD > version; the DVD having all the programs in the CD version plus a number of > ones including like Midnight Commander which I like. Since I plan on > upgrading to 10.1 ASAP I decided I would sacrifice the additional programs > in 9.1 and update to 9.2. > > 3. At this point I can still boot Windows. Being some what whipped out I > did what I should never do and started trying to repair a computer. I thus > proceed to put the install / update first disk of 9.2 in the old CD drive. > > 4. My update process ended half way through the process with an error > message of unable to find something; if I recall correctly the HD but it > could have been something else. I tried this a number of times. The HD made > a horrible scratching sound here in Linux but not in Windows. I can still > boot windows at this point. > > 5. The next day or maybe the following day, most probably the following > day, I tried again. This is when I lost the ability to boot into either > Windows or Linux so the boot record is now corrupt. For me loosing boot is > normal too when I have problems with reinstallation. This is where I > stopped two days ago. > > My next idea was to reinstall Windows which should allow me to boot widows > if I did not destroy the Windows separation partitions. > > As for partitions the drive is partitioned as follows: > hda1 10GB Windows Sorry I forgot the petition type but it is Windows XP > standard > hda2 20GB Data Fat32 > hda3 100 MB /boot ext3 > hda4 10GB / ext3 > hda5 10GB /home ext3 > > Personally I do not see an issue with what I am proposing but considering > ny last two week hard luck I chickened out and posted my posting. > > As far as the hard luck lets let that suffice with the above computer > issues and the fact that I broke mt hand. Typing with two fingers on one > hand is a bitch. I will also state for what ever reason my Linux desktop > system is down too for some reason related to modem. That one I don't get > as I have a system on one of my drawer HD that has not been used in a > couple of years. Implication being this is a hardware problem which will > have to wait until I have two hands to work with. > > Question: Does anyone have any better idea of how to verify if the HD is > bad or good with out using the recovery disk. I did not get a tools or > diagnostic disk. > > Thank > > Frank > > > Levi Bard wrote: > > > I recently had a drive go bad - applications started giving me read > > errors, then the bios started complaining, then it just became > > generally unusable. Interesting that you mention different partitions > > having an effect, though. I had some ext3 and some xfs partitions on > > this drive, and it seemed like the xfs really exaggerated (or do I > > want to say exacerbated) the problem while the ext3 hid/worked around > > it as much as possible. Later I ended up wiping and reformatting the > > xfs part to ext3 and, while the problem didn't go away, it became a > > lot more usable until my replacement arrived. > > > > So I guess I'm still an ext3 fan. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 9 12:23:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99GN9JN005802 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:23:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i99GN9FQ005801 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:23:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99GN8JN005797 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:23:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99GN7bL029244 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:23:07 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99GN0Ht031251 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:23:00 -0400 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (184-177.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.177.184]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i99GMtZn011887 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <416811CE.2010008@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:29:02 -0400 From: Richard Smoot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040216 Debian/1.6.x.1-10 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hard Drive References: <41666092.23387.51850E0D@ctrust.com> <4166A07A.9020900@myraandpete.net> <1a3a3e31041008074643fa798f@mail.gmail.com> <4167577B.4B76D767@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4167577B.4B76D767@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.645, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net SOTL wrote: >Hi All > >Lets be clear about the sequence of events here. > >1. First, I entered a web site which may or [may not] have caused a HD >issue. I suspect yes because of the response of the drive and because I >have had this happen in the past. How I do not have a clue; that is way >above my level. > >2. My normal method of solving these type of issues is to reinstall the >system which is Mandrake 9.1. Problem I have no idea where the system disk >but I did find the 9.2 disk which system I do not like. The 9.1 disk is DVD >while the 9.2 is CD. There are major differences between the DVD and CD >version; the DVD having all the programs in the CD version plus a number of >ones including like Midnight Commander which I like. Since I plan on >upgrading to 10.1 ASAP I decided I would sacrifice the additional programs >in 9.1 and update to 9.2. > >3. At this point I can still boot Windows. Being some what whipped out I >did what I should never do and started trying to repair a computer. I thus >proceed to put the install / update first disk of 9.2 in the old CD drive. > > > First I would try a live distro such as Knoppix and see if your hardware works. Fdisk mbr may fix your hard disk booting. Disks I have used to install if they find the old Linux may offer to boot installed system. If you want to save data I would put in another drive as master and make you old one slave. You may have to leave the old drive unplugged while you install the OS on the new one. After a successful install plug the old drive back in and see what you can recover. On the problem drive do not run scandisk. It makes data almost totally unrecoverable. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 9 12:22:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99GMeJN005791 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:22:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i99GMdQW005790 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:22:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99GMcJN005786 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:22:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99GMbbN029223 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:22:37 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99GMOHt031122 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:22:24 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i99GMMT5011589 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:22:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <200410091023.31525.steve@szmidt.org> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Saturday 09 October 2004 08:45 am, Bill Shaw wrote: > > Frank, > > > > Short of what's already been suggested(diagnostic disk, slave, > > bootable linux) I don't know of any other way of testing the drive. > > > > On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:14:03 -0400, SOTL wrote: > > > Hi All > > > > > > Lets be clear about the sequence of events here. > > > > > > 1. First, I entered a web site which may or [may not] have caused a HD > > > issue. I suspect yes because of the response of the drive and because I > > > have had this happen in the past. How I do not have a clue; that is way > > > above my level. > > If you are running windows you can easily have gotten viral instructions > installed and executed. Now from Windows you cannot read or write a Linux > partition, http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm Can't do it _natively_ though. > but you can write anywhere using low level instructions. I had a drive trash several partitions by doing that. It did it a couple times before I figured out it was the drive. > That drive is fatally wounded if it made a scratching sound. Agreed. Software can't fix this hardware error. > #!/bin/sh > i=0 > Disk="" > while [ "$Disk" != "100%" ] ;do > i(($i+1) > clear > echo $i > echo "$i" >> testfile > Disk=`df|grep "hda1 "|cut -d" " -f22` > done > df -h > It loops through the instructions until the disk is reportedly full. While > doing so it increases a counter $i. Disk is a variable that contains the > value of drive usage. When it says "100%" it will stop the looping. Then > report your disk usage. As you say, df may round e.g. 99.5% -> 100%. If you can compare block numbers, you can get all the disk. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Are you confident that you appear to be professional in your electronic communication? Consider this: A: No Q: Can I top post? from nick@xx.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 9 12:32:32 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99GWWJN005902 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:32:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i99GWVGc005901 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:32:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99GWUJN005897 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:32:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99GWSbZ029648 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:32:30 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99GUaHt000048 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:30:36 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i99GUYZo014922 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:30:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Two quick unrelated Q's In-Reply-To: <200410090046.27527.rnr@sanctum.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: First quick question. Using SuSE 8.2. Have a dual boot W98 & Suse on > different hard drives Used the partioner to delete 3 old partions from W98. > /E, & /F. (hda) In their place I made an ext3 partition so I could back up > from Linux to the other disk. (is now a partition on the other (W98 disk) > > Previous to that I had a partition on the second disk (hdb) which I had made > vfat to make as a common ground for W98 and Linux files and/or backup for > W98. This was called /windows/G. Now, since E & F were gone I changed the > mount point for the G drive to E. This was designated in the partitioner and > in my fstab file. > > However, when I try to mount /windows/E I get the message that /windows/G > is not found in the fstab or mtab files. Partitions got renumbered, and /etc/fstab is behind the times? "fdisk -l /dev/hda" and compare it to /etc/fstab . I'm not sure of the current and former state of your disks. > Second question: Rather than continually switch from user to root I made > myself (who is really root) a member of the "root group" Is there some > unknown unforeseen security danger in this strategy? I don't know what "root group" does or is, but if it makes it possible for you to run processes without a root password that previously required a root password, then it does the same thing for buggy programs. Whereas before, they'd be stymied by the root pw and unable to execute their mischief, now they'd be able to do whatever. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar AQUARIUS: There's travel in your future when your tongue freezes to the back of a speeding bus. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 9 12:38:50 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99GcnJN005951 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:38:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i99GcnVs005950 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:38:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99GcmJN005946 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:38:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99GclbL029904 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:38:47 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99Gch26025936 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:38:43 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=[192.168.2.103]) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CGKEk-0003sb-Ub for slug@nks.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 09:38:27 -0700 Message-ID: <4168158E.9040106@apotheon.com> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:45:02 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040918) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Two quick unrelated Q's References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.953, required 6, AWL 0.31, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Sat, 9 Oct 2004, Bob Stia wrote: >>Second question: Rather than continually switch from user to root I made >>myself (who is really root) a member of the "root group" Is there some >>unknown unforeseen security danger in this strategy? > > > I don't know what "root group" does or is, but if it makes it possible for > you to run processes without a root password that previously required a > root password, then it does the same thing for buggy programs. Whereas > before, they'd be stymied by the root pw and unable to execute their > mischief, now they'd be able to do whatever. > Those of you more 'nix knowledgeable than I am, correct me if I'm wrong: Giving your non-root user account the same privileges (or much the same, at any rate) as the root user is a security risk for pretty much the same reason using sudo is a security risk, but worse. It also pretty much negates every reason for having a separate root account. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 9 13:05:22 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99H5LJN006158 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:05:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i99H5Lfm006157 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:05:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99H5KJN006153 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:05:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99H5JbP031113 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:05:19 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99H5726030608 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:05:07 -0400 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (190-113.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.113.190]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i99H54T4028954; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41681A44.1000004@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:05:08 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Two quick unrelated Q's References: <4168158E.9040106@apotheon.com> In-Reply-To: <4168158E.9040106@apotheon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.258, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Those of you more 'nix knowledgeable than I am, correct me if I'm wrong: > Giving your non-root user account the same privileges (or much the same, > at any rate) as the root user is a security risk for pretty much the > same reason using sudo is a security risk, but worse. It also pretty > much negates every reason for having a separate root account. I am just a user, and I agree, but but some required processes require root authority, such as dialing the telephone, perhaps that is where this can be useful. I was surprised to see the root group at first also, never used it. I wish to learn more about the subject. -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 9 13:14:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99HEDJN006234 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:14:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i99HECAj006233 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:14:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99HEBJN006229 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:14:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99HEBbL031496 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:14:11 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99HE3Ht010539 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:14:04 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so77091rnk for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.152.63 with SMTP id z63mr525890rnd; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.71.19 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:14:02 -0400 From: Knowles Burrell To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Two quick unrelated Q's In-Reply-To: <41681A44.1000004@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4168158E.9040106@apotheon.com> <41681A44.1000004@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Adding yourself to the root group doesn't give you root access... as far as I have been able to tell. I tried to simply add someone to that group recently (as security through obscurity measures). Yes I know those don't really work. On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:05:08 +0000, Ronald KA4INM Youvan wrote: > > Those of you more 'nix knowledgeable than I am, correct me if I'm wrong: > > Giving your non-root user account the same privileges (or much the same, > > at any rate) as the root user is a security risk for pretty much the > > same reason using sudo is a security risk, but worse. It also pretty > > much negates every reason for having a separate root account. > > I am just a user, and I agree, but but some required processes require root > authority, such as dialing the telephone, perhaps that is where this can be > useful. I was surprised to see the root group at first also, never used it. > I wish to learn more about the subject. > -- > 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com > 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC > Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 9 18:18:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99MIdJN008336 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:18:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i99MIVtr008334 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:18:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i99MIUJN008330 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:18:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99MITbP011088 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:18:29 -0400 Received: from pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.184]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i99MIN26013659 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:18:23 -0400 Received: from dialup-4.247.227.139.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.227.139] helo=earthlink.net) by pop-a065c10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CGPXi-0006BS-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 15:18:22 -0700 Message-ID: <416866AD.63A22025@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 18:31:09 -0400 From: SOTL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hard Drive References: <41666092.23387.51850E0D@ctrust.com> <4166A07A.9020900@myraandpete.net> <1a3a3e31041008074643fa798f@mail.gmail.com> <4167577B.4B76D767@earthlink.net> <1097332021.16831.5630.camel@administrator.dimensionnetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=4.818, required 6, AWL -1.58, BAYES_99 5.40, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Larry Brown wrote: > I still must be missing something... You say the hard drive makes a > "scratching sound"? Is that not a fairly substantial indicator that the > drive has seen its last days or at least an indicator that you shouldn't > count on it providing dependable performance? Or is this an academic > matter? >From the response of the drive you have captured the essence of my opinion and why I thought it best considering the data issue of why I thought it would be very prudent to discuss this with people more knowledgeable than I am. Thanks for the help ALL. Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 9 23:04:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9A349JN010427 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:04:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9A34321010426 for slug-track29; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:04:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9A33qJN010418 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:03:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9A33pbL022249 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:03:52 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (rrcs-67-78-17-122.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.122]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9A33dHt008038 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:03:45 -0400 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id B543A20704E; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.252] (unknown [192.168.1.252]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B646206FFC for ; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4168A685.2090901@sigtom.com> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:03:33 -0400 From: "Tom E. Craddock, Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040927 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] FC2+KDE3.3+KDE Bluetooth Framework References: <1097257935.27785.20.camel@thor> <1097259127.6934.1.camel@thor> In-Reply-To: <1097259127.6934.1.camel@thor> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.782, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yeah Im an idiot...after a good couple hours sleep, I installed kde-devel and got it all compiled..now just to get it to connect to the GPS device. Arghh..and of course Pharos doesnt want to give any help on setting it up with anything other than a MS env. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 00:09:32 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9A49WJN010893 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:09:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9A49QSm010892 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:09:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9A49BJN010888 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:09:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9A497bN024843 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:09:11 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9A48hHt022725 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:08:44 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.anhosting.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGV0h-0007Dc-5R for slug@nks.net; Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:08:39 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Two quick unrelated Q's Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:08:14 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <41681A44.1000004@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410100008.14180.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=4.356, required 6, BAYES_80 1.66, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 09 October 2004 01:14 pm, Knowles Burrell wrote: > Adding yourself to the root group doesn't give you root access... as > far as I have been able to tell. I tried to simply add someone to that > group recently (as security through obscurity measures). Yes I know > those don't really work. You get the exact same GROUP rights as root has. No more, no less. This means that whatever root's GROUP rights are for a program, directory or whatever, you would have the same. It's not the same as being root. But it's a really bad idea. There's no good reason to mix any user up with root. It breaks the whole idea of having a root account in the first place. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 08:31:34 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ACVYJN014629 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:31:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9ACVXKD014628 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:31:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ACVWJN014624 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:31:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ACVVbP014718 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:31:32 -0400 Received: from starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net (starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.227]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ACV5Ht009930 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:31:06 -0400 Received: from user-0c90j2r.cable.mindspring.com ([24.144.76.91] helo=earthlink.net) by starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CGcqv-0003oT-9N for slug@nks.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 05:31:05 -0700 Message-ID: <41692B86.40403@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:31:02 -0400 From: Mark Polhamus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Reporting Software for Linux References: <200410081200.i98C02uj023213@rs16.luxsci.com> In-Reply-To: <200410081200.i98C02uj023213@rs16.luxsci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 0e139422fd754d0d65826a2e99dff454239a348a220c26092375264528a7d1746bbf63f74fd9c8ce2601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.76.91 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.001, required 6, BAYES_56 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eric Jahn wrote: > I'm looking for cross-platform reporting software for linux that is similar in > functionality to Crystal Reports. All the good java-based software is > extremely expensive (like $1500 per 1 user license) and really meant only for > enterprise use, not as a standalone Desktop app, as Crystal can function. > Does anyone know of anything? I checked out Rekall's functionality, but it > seems to only handle MySQL and a couple other database types. Right now, I > just need the ability to report on .csv files. Agata's software is not > complete enough. Thanks! A project I work on is using RReport (http://www.java4less.com/print_java_e.htm) which is cheap. I'm not very familiar with it or other reporting software, so I don't know how it compares to Crystal Reports and the others you mentioned. (If anyone knows a Java based report package that they like better than RReport, I would like to hear about it) -- Mark Polhamus ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 09:24:03 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ADO2JN014993 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:24:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9ADO2rJ014992 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:24:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ADNtJN014984 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:24:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ADNtbL016424 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:23:55 -0400 Received: from rs4.luxsci.com (rs4.luxsci.com [65.61.162.182]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ADNeHt019684 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:23:44 -0400 Received: from rs4.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs4.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9ADNetA032505 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:23:40 -0500 Received: (from lshttpd@localhost) by rs4.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.10/Submit) id i9ADNeNQ032504; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:23:40 GMT Message-Id: <200410101323.i9ADNeNQ032504@rs4.luxsci.com> From: "Eric Jahn" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:23:40 +0000 To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Comment: Charset encoding changed from (us-ascii) to (ISO-8859-1) for compatibility with message contents. Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 ( Normal ) X-Mailer: Sent via the Lux Scientiae WebMail Interface. X-Comment: Actual sender is Lux Scientiae user #1239. Subject: Re: [SLUG] Reporting Software for Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.784, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90, MISSING_MIMEOLE 1.59, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME 0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9ADO1JN014989 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On October 10, 2004, Mark Polhamus wrote: > If anyone knows a Java > based report package that they like better than RReport, I would like to hear > about it) RReport looks promising. Since I've started this thread, I've come across DataVision and JasperReports which seem to be full-featured, but are a pain to configure, especially JasperReports. -Eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 10:09:33 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AE9WJN015327 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:09:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AE9WLQ015326 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:09:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AE9UJN015322 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:09:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AE9UbL017910 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:09:30 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AE9L26032307 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:09:25 -0400 Received: from microtelinnsandsuites2601950.cust-rtr.swbell.net ([65.64.149.129] helo=[172.17.2.107]) by asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CGeO0-00083H-Js for slug@nks.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:09:20 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] "ports" v. "packages" distributions -- WAS: Galeon, may I have a dog, please? From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <31f1298604100808093f2fd0e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604100808093f2fd0e3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097417359.2829.414.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:09:20 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7992bc76bcd9c2241df4896499241c4c31350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.64.149.129 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.806, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_RELAY 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 11:09, Robert Snyder wrote: > Galeon and emphany are pretty snappy to me so is firefox gotten > extremely snappy with my vidalinux ( gentoo with gui installer) > because everything is optimized for my processor which seems to make > a difference. We had a similar thread over on JAXLUG about optimizations (and extensions, which one poster confused as the same). http://mailman.jaxlug.org/pipermail/jaxlug-list/Week-of-Mon-20040927/011886.html http://mailman.jaxlug.org/pipermail/jaxlug-list/Week-of-Mon-20040927/011888.html http://mailman.jaxlug.org/pipermail/jaxlug-list/Week-of-Mon-20040927/011896.html http://mailman.jaxlug.org/pipermail/jaxlug-list/Week-of-Mon-20040927/011890.html I'm not questioning whether or not Gentoo (a "ports" distribution) is faster, but there is more to a "ports" distribution over a "package" distro (most are Debian or Fedora-based, even if based on a long-gone Red Hat Linux release) than just "performance." And sometimes, "ports" distros can be slower too. It all depends if you know what you are doing, or the "ports"/"packages" maintainer did. In a "ports" distro, you define a few options in a global file, then the build process is up to the individual configure/Makefile or scripts by the "ports" maintainers. Then _all_ packages get built to those capabilities, if possible, although the "ports" maintainer must know how to best build a package. In a "packages" distro, you leave the optimizations up to the packager. Although it _should_ be noted that many packages (at least in Fedora) _can_ make good use of the "--target" option (RPM) including optimizing well for Athlon. But _most_ major packages are built with _all_ extensions so they can make use of _all_ extensions available. The latter is not quite the same as a completely optimized "ports" build. But one mistake I see many Gentoo users claim is that they get all "extensions" whereas "packages" don't. Not true. E.g., many Fedora Core, Extras and Livna.ORG multimedia packages _are_ built with _all_ extensions, since MPlayer dynamically loads and uses extensions, libraries, etc... as supported. So the only difference between "packages" and "ports" there is that Gentoo builds a smaller, more custom binary for your specific platform, whereas Fedora includes more bloated, "everything included" packages. Ultimately, if you rebuild from source "package" (be it RPM or Deb), you're back to the same thing as a "ports" system. You rely on the "maintainer" to make sure the build process is optimal for the package. Just FYI, Fedora Core is built for i486 ISA with i686 optimizations. That is close to with 5% of optimal performance on any modern i686 ISA compatible processor (PPro, P2, P3, P4, C3, Athlon, etc...). Now there are some additional optimizations for Athlon in GCC 3.1+, but they can also create unstable object code (GCC 3.3+ improves this some though). Also, any binary supports dynamic loading/use of extensions is built with _all_ extensions in a Fedora (and probably Debian too) package. Do not confuse ISA/optimizations with extensions support. Heck, even that line is blurring. The new 2.6 kernel, when built for i686 (Pentium Pro) can dynamically optimize better for the 9-issue Athlon scheduler (although the Athlon itself uses various run-time techniques to make up for its 2 additional pipes that the PPro-P4 doesn't have). -- Bryan -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 11:23:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AFNUJN015878 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:23:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AFNPlC015877 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:23:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AFNNJN015873 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:23:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AFNNbL020507 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:23:23 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AFNCHt010240 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:23:12 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so106829rnk for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.165.75 with SMTP id n75mr902601rne; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.207.32 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:23:11 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "ports" v. "packages" distributions -- WAS: Galeon, may I have a dog, please? In-Reply-To: <1097417359.2829.414.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604100808093f2fd0e3@mail.gmail.com> <1097417359.2829.414.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Not to mention debian has source pages and apt-fu allows one to easilly install things from source, even apply patches. One can also change the compile flags. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 11:24:22 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AFOHJN015889 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:24:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AFOGBP015888 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:24:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AFOFJN015884 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:24:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AFOFbN020528 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:24:15 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AFO626010113 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:24:06 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 74so204511rnk for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.39.1.30 with SMTP id d30mr904558rni; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.207.32 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:24:05 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "ports" v. "packages" distributions -- WAS: Galeon, may I have a dog, please? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604100808093f2fd0e3@mail.gmail.com> <1097417359.2829.414.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net err, packages, not pages. obviously. Need coffee. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 12:32:40 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AGWYJN016416 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:32:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AGWThX016415 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:32:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AGWSJN016411 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:32:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AGWRbL022979 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:32:27 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AGWHHt024030 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:32:17 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9AGWFB7012977 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410101632.i9AGWFB7012977@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Phone push button menu software Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:30:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <31f1298604100805527952336a@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcStOAsl4AYUCzJJQlmImMl2KgtPdwBrXYtw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I assume you do not have a voice processing board, like a Dialogic. There is software that can use a single-line voice modem. http://www.nch.com.au/ivm/ Not just any modem will work. Here's more about modems, and links to eval software. http://www.nch.com.au/ivm/modems.html I have not used this stuff in a while, so my information is badly dated. The basics are: 1. voice-processing board(s), such as Dialogic or (in some cases) voice modems. 2. Software 3. Dedicated PC. Yes, dedicated. My experience has been poor with this technology. The PC is usually the weak link. Compared to the reliability of telephone systems, computers are a PITA. If your business really depends on this, you might want to consider a device built for this purpose, rather then try to adapt a PC. Again, I haven't fooled with this stuff for several years, so it might have gotten better. I found them to be really good for irritating clients. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Snyder Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 8:52 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Phone push button menu software Looking for a solution for windows or linux for regular phone line or voip, where if someone calls they get the welcome to xzy company. Thing is that they will go through there menu and they will never get anyone just different voice recordings. or something that not even computer based at all. Anything that would suit this need would be great. the thing is that the system has to be multi level option 1 subtion 2 suboption of suboption ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 12:50:54 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AGorJN016561 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:50:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AGomC2016560 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:50:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AGogJN016556 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:50:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AGoebf023598 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:50:41 -0400 Received: from out003.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AGoX26021709 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:50:33 -0400 Received: from verizon.net ([4.47.204.60]) by out003.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041010165033.BWKQ26805.out003.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:50:33 -0500 Message-ID: <416968AF.6060708@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:51:59 -0400 From: Joe Brandt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040115 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] Router Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [4.47.204.60] at Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:50:33 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=6.683, required 6, AWL -1.86, BAYES_60 1.59, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net We have an exisiting Lan here at home. We use a Linksys wireless router to allow several computers to share our DSL. I have a couple SOB's (slow old box) and am thinking of turning one into a dedicated security box. Where in the chain would I place it? My guess is between the modem and Linksys. How would this affect the Linksys? I did a Google search but since Linksys is a firewall I could not think of a query which would bring up answers. Thanks in advance Joe Brandt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 13:50:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AHo5JN016978 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:50:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AHnxNP016977 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:49:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AHnrJN016973 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:49:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AHngbL025691 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:49:42 -0400 Received: from web14708.mail.yahoo.com (web14708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.125]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i9AHnSHt006062 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:49:28 -0400 Message-ID: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.57.41.2] by web14708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:49:26 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:49:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Dean Shepherd Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <416968AF.6060708@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1457197727-1097430566=:89713" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.101, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --0-1457197727-1097430566=:89713 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Being the NOOB that I am, I am having trouble setting up my DSL. I have a USRobotics wireless router, but the system is wired in via ethernet card. I can't seem to get the NIC configured so that it picks up. Any help would be appreciated, thanks Joe Brandt wrote:We have an exisiting Lan here at home. We use a Linksys wireless router to allow several computers to share our DSL. I have a couple SOB's (slow old box) and am thinking of turning one into a dedicated security box. Where in the chain would I place it? My guess is between the modem and Linksys. How would this affect the Linksys? I did a Google search but since Linksys is a firewall I could not think of a query which would bring up answers. Thanks in advance Joe Brandt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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Being the NOOB that I am, I am having trouble setting up my DSL.  I have a USRobotics wireless router, but the system is wired in via ethernet card.  I can't seem to get the NIC configured so that it picks up. Any help would be appreciated, thanks

Joe Brandt <vzd1s11k@verizon.net> wrote:
We have an exisiting Lan here at home. We use a Linksys wireless router
to allow several computers to share our DSL. I have a couple SOB's
(slow old box) and am thinking of turning one into a dedicated security
box. Where in the chain would I place it? My guess is between the
modem and Linksys. How would this affect the Linksys?

I did a Google search but since Linksys is a firewall I could not think
of a query which would bring up answers.

Thanks in advance
Joe Brandt
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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 14:38:58 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AIcwJN017331 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:38:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AIcvXK017330 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:38:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AIcuJN017326 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:38:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AIcubL027470 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:38:56 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AIcnHt016416 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:38:49 -0400 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (184-177.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.177.184]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9AIckNu003189 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4169832F.3070600@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:45:03 -0400 From: Richard Smoot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040216 Debian/1.6.x.1-10 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.645, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dean Shepherd wrote: > Being the NOOB that I am, I am having trouble setting up my DSL. I > have a USRobotics wireless router, but the system is wired in via > ethernet card. I can't seem to get the NIC configured so that it > picks up. Any help would be appreciated, When I have problems with my Roadrunner. I always make sure that my basic connection is good by hooking my primary computer directly to my cable modem. If that works my problems are with my router Lan and not with the provider. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 14:48:09 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AIm8JN017411 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:48:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AIm8aa017410 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:48:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AIm7JN017406 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:48:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AIlwbL027808 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:48:06 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AIln26005276 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:47:53 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.6] (222-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.222]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7B91407814 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <416983CF.4000600@myraandpete.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:47:43 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router References: <416968AF.6060708@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <416968AF.6060708@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.737, required 6, AWL -0.61, BAYES_50 0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Joe Brandt wrote: > We have an exisiting Lan here at home. We use a Linksys wireless > router to allow several computers to share our DSL. I have a couple > SOB's (slow old box) and am thinking of turning one into a dedicated > security box. Where in the chain would I place it? My guess is > between the modem and Linksys. How would this affect the Linksys? > > I did a Google search but since Linksys is a firewall I could not > think of a query which would bring up answers. > > Thanks in advance > Joe Brandt > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > The Linksys wireless router should be able to handle your security issues (from outside attackers). Dig up the user's manual from the Linksys website, based upon the model number. If you are curious, and depending upon your router model, you could consider placing the SOB behind the router and open up the NIC of the SOB to the internet via DMZ of the router (most routers currently support this config.). This would allow you to experiment with the SOB, while not compromising your network connection (making sure that the SOB is working properly before commiting it to you using it as your 24/7 internet connection). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 14:50:01 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AIntJN017431 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:49:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AInoSi017430 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:49:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AInmJN017426 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:49:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AInmbN027874 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:49:48 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AIne26005524 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:49:40 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.6] (222-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.222]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C10714077ED for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <41698443.6090705@myraandpete.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:49:39 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.784, required 6, AWL -0.56, BAYES_50 0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dean Shepherd wrote: > Being the NOOB that I am, I am having trouble setting up my DSL. I > have a USRobotics wireless router, but the system is wired in via > ethernet card. I can't seem to get the NIC configured so that it > picks up. Any help would be appreciated, thanks > > */Joe Brandt /* wrote: > > We have an exisiting Lan here at home. We use a Linksys wireless > router > to allow several computers to share our DSL. I have a couple SOB's > (slow old box) and am thinking of turning one into a dedicated > security > box. Where in the chain would I place it? My guess is between the > modem and Linksys. How would this affect the Linksys? > > I did a Google search but since Linksys is a firewall I could not > think > of a query which would bring up answers. > > Thanks in advance > Joe Brandt > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 15:02:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AJ20JN017548 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:02:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AJ1xTk017547 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:01:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AJ1wJN017543 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:01:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AJ1vbP028373 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:01:58 -0400 Received: from out010.verizon.net (out010pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AJ1bHt021897 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:01:37 -0400 Received: from verizon.net ([4.47.204.60]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041010190136.VNMQ23744.out010.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:01:36 -0500 Message-ID: <41698768.8000803@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:03:04 -0400 From: Joe Brandt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040115 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [4.47.204.60] at Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:01:36 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=7.802, required 6, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, FU_NUMERICAL_SUBDOMAIN 0.85, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP 0.10, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dean Shepherd wrote: > Being the NOOB that I am, I am having trouble setting up my DSL. I > have a USRobotics wireless router, but the system is wired in via > ethernet card. I can't seem to get the NIC configured so that it > picks up. Any help would be appreciated ok make sure that the phone filter is off of the modem phone line. Plug the ethernet from the modem to the WAN port on the router. Plug ethernet line from LAN 1 tp PC configure eth0 static or dhcp, gateway 192.168.123.254 open browser go to http://192.168.123.254 to setup your router ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 15:03:01 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AJ31JN017560 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:03:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AJ30I4017559 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:03:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AJ2xJN017555 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:02:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AJ2wbL028413 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:02:59 -0400 Received: from out012.verizon.net (out012pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.137]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AJ2q26007939 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:02:52 -0400 Received: from verizon.net ([4.47.204.60]) by out012.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041010190251.HXRB28066.out012.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:02:51 -0500 Message-ID: <416987B3.5060006@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:04:19 -0400 From: Joe Brandt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040115 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [4.47.204.60] at Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:02:51 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=6.12, required 6, AWL -0.83, BAYES_50 0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net oh user in router is admin with no password Strongly reccommend changing both ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 15:17:46 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AJHjJN017678 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:17:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AJHj8M017677 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:17:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AJHdJN017673 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:17:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AJHcbN028924 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:17:38 -0400 Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AJHUHt025214 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:17:30 -0400 Received: from verizon.net ([4.47.204.60]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041010191730.PXAD23440.out009.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:17:30 -0500 Message-ID: <41698B22.2020507@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:18:58 -0400 From: Joe Brandt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040115 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> <416987B3.5060006@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <416987B3.5060006@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [4.47.204.60] at Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:17:30 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=6.853, required 6, BAYES_56 0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The reason I want a security box is that my wife runs XP Home. Quite a few times she has turned off her computer and a box opens stating that other users are connected to her computer. We think she is being hacked from the net. We want to verify and / or stop this. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 15:23:51 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AJNpJN017737 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:23:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AJNoqe017736 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:23:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AJNnJN017732 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:23:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AJNnbL029196 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:23:49 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AJNZHt026540 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:23:35 -0400 Received: from user-12hckbe.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.81.110] helo=blackgold) by asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CGjI5-0007ey-Al for slug@nks.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:23:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c4aefe$fdff26e0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> From: "xcalibre" To: References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> <41698443.6090705@myraandpete.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:26:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: 16b8c79b0b06377a9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d1297dc529050e9504b48dc53d8e76e36350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.22.81.110 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.699, required 6, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You have to power down your dsl / modem and router. Then power up the dsl / modem once it is up all the way then power up your router so it will pull an ip address. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete S." To: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router > Dean Shepherd wrote: > > > Being the NOOB that I am, I am having trouble setting up my DSL. I > > have a USRobotics wireless router, but the system is wired in via > > ethernet card. I can't seem to get the NIC configured so that it > > picks up. Any help would be appreciated, thanks > > > > */Joe Brandt /* wrote: > > > > We have an exisiting Lan here at home. We use a Linksys wireless > > router > > to allow several computers to share our DSL. I have a couple SOB's > > (slow old box) and am thinking of turning one into a dedicated > > security > > box. Where in the chain would I place it? My guess is between the > > modem and Linksys. How would this affect the Linksys? > > > > I did a Google search but since Linksys is a firewall I could not > > think > > of a query which would bring up answers. > > > > Thanks in advance > > Joe Brandt > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! > > Can you ping the router, from within your network? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 15:24:18 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AJOCJN017748 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:24:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AJOCS9017747 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:24:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AJOAJN017743 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:24:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AJOAbL029211 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:24:10 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AJO426010858 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:24:04 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9AJO2Zo000925 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:23:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router In-Reply-To: <416968AF.6060708@verizon.net> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: We have an exisiting Lan here at home. We use a Linksys wireless router > to allow several computers to share our DSL. I have a couple SOB's > (slow old box) and am thinking of turning one into a dedicated security > box. Where in the chain would I place it? My guess is between the > modem and Linksys. What I did was this: ( internet ) | | [cable box] | | [eth1-^ SOB v-eth0] | / hub/ \ -- ... | router/ | -- ... \ switch / -- ... (no wireless router) I had cable, but DSL is functionally equivalent. eth1 on SOB had a DHCP client, eth0 has a DHCP server (really any computer can, as long as it's up most of the time). eth0 and eth1 are arbitrary names; they could be switched as desired. Some cable/DSL companies require that you notify them if you use a different MAC (mine didn't). If they do, it would be less hassle for you if the SOB goes after the router, so the DSL box sees the same MAC. Does you have any wireless clients that you want protected by the SOB? Then the SOB should go _in front_ of the router. I don't think you can have it both ways, unless your SOB supports MAC spoofing. > I did a Google search but since Linksys is a firewall I could not think > of a query which would bring up answers. "firewall linux" perhaps? ipchains/iptables is the built-in(?) software to do that. There are a couple boot-from-CD or boot-from-floppy firewall kits; I never used one, but I have one on CD somewhere (40-something MB) if that would help. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 15:58:50 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AJwnJN018011 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:58:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AJwnQZ018010 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:58:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AJwhJN018006 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:58:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AJwgbN030443 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:58:42 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AJwa26015188 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:58:36 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.6] (222-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.222]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149F414077EC for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4169946B.2030601@myraandpete.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:58:35 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> <416987B3.5060006@verizon.net> <41698B22.2020507@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <41698B22.2020507@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.771, required 6, AWL -0.57, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Joe Brandt wrote: > The reason I want a security box is that my wife runs XP Home. Quite > a few times she has turned off her computer and a box opens stating > that other users are connected to her computer. We think she is being > hacked from the net. We want to verify and / or stop this. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > If she is using a wireless connection... this also could be a way that they are logging on to her computer. Try installing zone alarm (there is a free version for personal use). This will monitor all software that has inbound and outbound connections. If you already have a router in place (such as the Linksys) this should have already stopped external cable modem users from connecting to her computer, unless she has some sort of software (trojan) installed that would allow them to login. Keep in mind, any shares that she may have setup (such as file sharing, printer sharing, Kazaa, etc.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 16:20:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AKKlJN018191 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:20:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AKKkgb018190 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:20:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AKKjJN018186 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:20:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AKKibb031315 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:20:45 -0400 Received: from audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net (audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.253]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AKKJ26018636 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:20:20 -0400 Received: from microtelinnsandsuites2601950.cust-rtr.swbell.net ([65.64.149.129] helo=[172.17.2.107]) by audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CGkB1-0002gN-9K for slug@nks.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:20:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLUG] "ports" v. "packages" distributions -- WAS: Galeon, may I have a dog, please? From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604100808093f2fd0e3@mail.gmail.com> <1097417359.2829.414.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097439618.2829.457.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:20:18 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79fa2f1d8dd2d2033de50302bfce925594350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.64.149.129 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.354, required 6, AWL 0.45, BAYES_30 -0.90, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_RELAY 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 11:23, Dylan Hardison wrote: > Not to mention debian has source pages As does RPM (.src.rpm). > and apt-fu allows one to easilly install things from source, > even apply patches. Not sure about the APT-RPM capabilities yet (or YUM) to do the same. But I have fetched sources and built them before. > One can also change the compile flags. As can RPM (from .src.rpm). It's as I said before. If you build from source, with a "ports" distro (e.g., Gentoo), you are still at the mercy of the "ports maintainer," just like a "packages" distro (e.g., Debian, Fedora) with its "package maintainer." "Ports" distros just force building on you. "Packages" distros are typically installed from binary. But "packages" distros can be quite optimized -- e.g., Fedora is i486 ISA, i686 optimized with all extensions supported as by package that uses them. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 16:26:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AKQZJN018252 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:26:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AKQZ2c018251 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:26:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AKQXJN018247 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:26:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AKQXbN031589 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:26:33 -0400 Received: from audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net (audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.253]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AKQLHt006970 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:26:21 -0400 Received: from microtelinnsandsuites2601950.cust-rtr.swbell.net ([65.64.149.129] helo=[172.17.2.107]) by audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CGkGq-0000q3-Ul for slug@nks.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:26:21 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: Router -- a little IDS goes a long way, just ask Valve From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <416968AF.6060708@verizon.net> References: <416968AF.6060708@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097439979.2829.463.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:26:20 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c4f67bb26b4976fe1abc1807aaf25082350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.64.149.129 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.806, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_RELAY 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 12:51, Joe Brandt wrote: > We have an exisiting Lan here at home. We use a Linksys wireless router > to allow several computers to share our DSL. I have a couple SOB's > (slow old box) and am thinking of turning one into a dedicated security > box. Where in the chain would I place it? My guess is between the > modem and Linksys. How would this affect the Linksys? You can in-line a stealth firewall/IDS system. That would give you much better packet inspection capabilities. Or you could just replace the Linksys and install IPCop 1.4: http://www.ipcop.org 1.4 was just released and it has an excellent set of capabilities. You could use your Linksys device as a wireless AP (disable WAN link) on the segmented "BLUE" zone of the IPCop box. That way you have your wired and wireless fully segmented. IPCop also has ease-to-read kernel firewall logs and Snort IDS. > I did a Google search but since Linksys is a firewall I could not think > of a query which would bring up answers. Newer Linksys devices are very basic Linux IPTables firewalls. They offer no IDS or other major logging facilities. If the Valve hack told us anything, it's that hacks come from _inside_. Incoming filtering is _useless_ if a system is compromised internally (e.g., via browser, reader or other exploit). And as exemplified the case of Valve, the only thing worse than being hacked is being hacked and _not_ knowing about it. A little IDS goes a _long_way_. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 17:13:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ALD5JN018589 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:13:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9ALCxCD018584 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:12:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ALCeJN018576 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:12:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ALCabL000796 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:12:36 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ALCOHt016508 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:12:24 -0400 Received: (qmail 14585 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2004 21:12:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.16.56.69) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2004 21:12:14 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C7288125325; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:11:41 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20041010211141.C7288125325@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:11:41 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (paulf) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.175, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* TAMPA **************************************************** 12 October 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Student Services Bldg, Room 108 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 17:42:44 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ALgcJN018821 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:42:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9ALgXOc018820 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:42:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ALgIJN018816 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:42:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ALgHbP001866 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:42:18 -0400 Received: from starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net (starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.227]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ALg3Ht021951 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:42:04 -0400 Received: from user-12hckbe.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.81.110] helo=blackgold) by starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CGlS7-0005Ia-LZ for slug@nks.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:42:03 -0700 Message-ID: <002b01c4af12$579b8aa0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> From: "xcalibre" To: References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> <416987B3.5060006@verizon.net> <41698B22.2020507@verizon.net> <4169946B.2030601@myraandpete.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:44:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: 16b8c79b0b06377a9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4dde62ef0077adf173246296abb35f982a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.22.81.110 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.699, required 6, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net free version of zonealarm will not work with linksys routers only thhe paide version has filtering to work with routers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete S." To: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router > Joe Brandt wrote: > > > The reason I want a security box is that my wife runs XP Home. Quite > > a few times she has turned off her computer and a box opens stating > > that other users are connected to her computer. We think she is being > > hacked from the net. We want to verify and / or stop this. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > If she is using a wireless connection... this also could be a way that > they are logging on to her computer. Try installing zone alarm (there > is a free version for personal use). This will monitor all software > that has inbound and outbound connections. If you already have a router > in place (such as the Linksys) this should have already stopped external > cable modem users from connecting to her computer, unless she has some > sort of software (trojan) installed that would allow them to login. > Keep in mind, any shares that she may have setup (such as file sharing, > printer sharing, Kazaa, etc.) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 18:43:50 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AMheJN019263 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:43:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9AMhTGT019262 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:43:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9AMhSJN019258 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:43:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AMhMbN004028 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:43:22 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9AMh326004891 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:43:07 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=[192.168.2.103]) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CGmOp-0001vP-5X for slug@nks.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:42:43 -0700 Message-ID: <4169BC77.9050202@apotheon.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:49:27 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040918) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> <416987B3.5060006@verizon.net> <41698B22.2020507@verizon.net> <4169946B.2030601@myraandpete.net> <002b01c4af12$579b8aa0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <002b01c4af12$579b8aa0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.941, required 6, AWL 0.30, BAYES_40 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net xcalibre wrote: > free version of zonealarm will not work with linksys routers only thhe paide > version has filtering to work with routers > ZoneAlarm works on the PC on which it is installed to prevent packets from entering and leaving the system based on what rules you set for it, based on which network "zone" the packets are coming from or going to. Whether or not there's a router has very little to do with it, except insofar as the router makes ZoneAlarm redundant if it is also a firewall. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 19:27:23 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ANRHJN019584 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:27:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9ANRCVu019583 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:27:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ANRAJN019579 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:27:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ANR5bN005664 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:27:05 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ANQh26011574 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:26:43 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CGn5L-0007XA-P3 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:26:40 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:26:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c4af12$579b8aa0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> <4169BC77.9050202@apotheon.com> In-Reply-To: <4169BC77.9050202@apotheon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410101926.35910.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.169, required 6, AWL -0.53, BAYES_50 0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 10 October 2004 06:49 pm, Chad Perrin wrote: > xcalibre wrote: > > free version of zonealarm will not work with linksys routers only thhe > > paide version has filtering to work with routers > > ZoneAlarm works on the PC on which it is installed to prevent packets > from entering and leaving the system based on what rules you set for it, > based on which network "zone" the packets are coming from or going to. > Whether or not there's a router has very little to do with it, except > insofar as the router makes ZoneAlarm redundant if it is also a firewall. Well this is not entirely correct. Having ZA and an external f/w running is not redundant as security is a multi-layered approach. It's made out of many pieces working together. Each adding a layer of security. (I've not used/seen ZA Pro, but it could have routing support in which case it could have the ability to understand routing protocols.) ZA by itself is not total security as it can be bypassed from the outside. Ditto a packet filter which does not know anything about applications cannot block what ZA blocks. Let's say you browse a corrupted website and end up downloading a viral application. Your packetfilter sure did not stop it. Windows being nice and cooperative, then executes it for you (well, for the criminal hacker). It may not have the smarts to modify ZA and so when it tries to go online ZA stops it. So disabling ZA is not the thing to do just because you have a packet filter firewall. Now a proxy fireewall can do a bit better as it sends out a proxy request and then returns a proxy answer. So to some degree it's better on dealing with the above. Ideally you also have an application firewall, not unlike ZA. Except ZA is not a true application firewall, more of a hybrid. Another layer is not to allow images or html to be drawn or executed through email. Yet another one can be various s/w that detects abnormal behavior or traffic. Anyway, the point with this was just to show why a firewall and ZA are not mutually exclusive, or redundant. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 20:16:57 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B0GpJN019921 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:16:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9B0GpBP019920 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:16:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B0GnJN019916 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:16:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B0GmbL007496 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:16:49 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B0GJHt020715 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:16:22 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=[192.168.2.103]) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CGnr8-0002pN-94 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:16:02 -0700 Message-ID: <4169D257.5010302@apotheon.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:22:47 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040918) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c4af12$579b8aa0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> <4169BC77.9050202@apotheon.com> <200410101926.35910.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200410101926.35910.steve@szmidt.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.645, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: > On Sunday 10 October 2004 06:49 pm, Chad Perrin wrote: > >>xcalibre wrote: >> >>>free version of zonealarm will not work with linksys routers only thhe >>>paide version has filtering to work with routers >> >>ZoneAlarm works on the PC on which it is installed to prevent packets >>from entering and leaving the system based on what rules you set for it, >>based on which network "zone" the packets are coming from or going to. >>Whether or not there's a router has very little to do with it, except >>insofar as the router makes ZoneAlarm redundant if it is also a firewall. > > > Well this is not entirely correct. Having ZA and an external f/w running is > not redundant as security is a multi-layered approach. It's made out of many > pieces working together. Each adding a layer of security. > > (I've not used/seen ZA Pro, but it could have routing support in which case it > could have the ability to understand routing protocols.) > > ZA by itself is not total security as it can be bypassed from the outside. > Ditto a packet filter which does not know anything about applications cannot > block what ZA blocks. > > Let's say you browse a corrupted website and end up downloading a viral > application. Your packetfilter sure did not stop it. Windows being nice and > cooperative, then executes it for you (well, for the criminal hacker). > > It may not have the smarts to modify ZA and so when it tries to go online ZA > stops it. So disabling ZA is not the thing to do just because you have a > packet filter firewall. > > Now a proxy fireewall can do a bit better as it sends out a proxy request and > then returns a proxy answer. So to some degree it's better on dealing with > the above. > > Ideally you also have an application firewall, not unlike ZA. Except ZA is not > a true application firewall, more of a hybrid. > > Another layer is not to allow images or html to be drawn or executed through > email. Yet another one can be various s/w that detects abnormal behavior or > traffic. > > Anyway, the point with this was just to show why a firewall and ZA are not > mutually exclusive, or redundant. > Note: I didn't not say that the external firewall makes ZA redundant, I made a comment about an external firewall having nothing to do with ZA _except_insofar_as_ it makes ZA redundant. To some degree, a good external firewall _does_ make ZA redundant -- that is to say, some of ZA's functionality is redundant when one has a good external firewall running. ZA and the external firewall perform some entirely redundant functions, in comparison with one another. They're not mutually exclusive, and they are not _wholly_ redundant, but bits and pieces of them _are_ redundant. Get my drift? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 20:26:02 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B0Q1JN020018 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:26:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9B0Q1Yh020013 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:26:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B0PxJN020009 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:26:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B0PwbP007835 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:25:59 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B0Pj26019895 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:25:45 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 80so112726rnk for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.17 with SMTP id b17mr1019484rnf; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.21 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860410101725c65d824@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:25:41 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Phone push button menu software In-Reply-To: <200410101632.i9AGWFB7012977@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <31f1298604100805527952336a@mail.gmail.com> <200410101632.i9AGWFB7012977@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.021, required 6, AWL 0.02, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:30:40 -0400, Ken Elliott wrote: > I assume you do not have a voice processing board, like a Dialogic. There > is software that can use a single-line voice modem. > > http://www.nch.com.au/ivm/ > > Not just any modem will work. Here's more about modems, and links to eval > software. > http://www.nch.com.au/ivm/modems.html > > I have not used this stuff in a while, so my information is badly dated. > The basics are: > 1. voice-processing board(s), such as Dialogic or (in some cases) voice > modems. > 2. Software > 3. Dedicated PC. Yes, dedicated. > > My experience has been poor with this technology. The PC is usually the > weak link. Compared to the reliability of telephone systems, computers are > a PITA. If your business really depends on this, you might want to consider > a device built for this purpose, rather then try to adapt a PC. > > Again, I haven't fooled with this stuff for several years, so it might have > gotten better. I found them to be really good for irritating clients. > > Ken Elliott Ken, Exactly what I was looking for. Dedicated pc no problem figuring for what it would be doing that we would need soemthing just for that. I would just buy a telephony board, instead of trying to use a voice modem. While yes they can set one back a pretty penny they are worth having the extra realibly that they would provided. Software not at a bad price. Everything is looking good now to present it to the clients on tuesdays ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 20:40:54 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B0erJN020142 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:40:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9B0erT5020141 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:40:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B0epJN020137 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:40:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B0epbL008365 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:40:51 -0400 Received: from web14704.mail.yahoo.com (web14704.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.121]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i9B0e4Ht025027 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:40:05 -0400 Message-ID: <20041011004001.14009.qmail@web14704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.8.55.20] by web14704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:40:00 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:40:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Dean Shepherd Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <41698768.8000803@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1540195656-1097455200=:13934" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=5.957, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43, FU_NUMERICAL_SUBDOMAIN 0.85, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP 0.10, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sssss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --0-1540195656-1097455200=:13934 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am using Fedora 2, when I set up DHCP as instructed by verizon, it doesn't give me the option to put in a gateway IP. If I set to DHCP, and ping 192.168.123.254, I get "network is unreachable". If I set it to static IP, it requires an IP address in addition to a gateway. Since IP address is dynamic, I don't know what to put for it. "ifconfig" in root gives the following: etho Link:encap Ethernet HWaddr: 00:50:2C:07:DA:3F inet6addr: fe80::250:2cff:fe07:da3f/64 UPBROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 Rx Packets: 0 errors: 0 dropped: 0 overruns: 0 frame: 0 Tx Pacets: 13 errors: 0 dropped: 0 overruns: 0 carrier: 0 collisions : 0 txquelen Rx bytes:0 Tx Bytes:0 Interrupt: 225 Base address:0xb400 lo Lincencap: Lower loopback inet addr: 1237.0.0.1 Mask 255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope: Host UPLOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 Rx Packets 2299: errors: 0 dropped: 0 overruns: 0 frame:0 Tx packets 2299: errors:0 dropped:0 overruns: 0 carrier: 0 collisions: 0 txqueuelen: 0 Rx bytes: 2299609(28Mb) Tx bytes 2991609 (2.8Mb) Hope this helps, forgive any typos. Thanks for the response!! Joe Brandt wrote: Dean Shepherd wrote: > Being the NOOB that I am, I am having trouble setting up my DSL. I > have a USRobotics wireless router, but the system is wired in via > ethernet card. I can't seem to get the NIC configured so that it > picks up. Any help would be appreciated ok make sure that the phone filter is off of the modem phone line. Plug the ethernet from the modem to the WAN port on the router. Plug ethernet line from LAN 1 tp PC configure eth0 static or dhcp, gateway 192.168.123.254 open browser go to http://192.168.123.254 to setup your router ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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I am using Fedora 2, when I set up DHCP as instructed by verizon, it doesn't give me the option to put in a gateway IP.  If I set to DHCP, and ping 192.168.123.254, I get "network is unreachable".  If I set it to static IP, it requires an IP address in addition to a gateway.  Since IP address is dynamic, I don't know what to put for it.  "ifconfig" in root gives the following:
etho  Link:encap Ethernet  HWaddr: 00:50:2C:07:DA:3F
        inet6addr: fe80::250:2cff:fe07:da3f/64
        UPBROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500 Metric:1
        Rx Packets: 0 errors: 0  dropped: 0 overruns: 0 frame: 0
        Tx Pacets: 13 errors: 0 dropped: 0 overruns: 0 carrier: 0 collisions : 0 txquelen
        Rx bytes:0  Tx Bytes:0
         Interrupt: 225 Base address:0xb400
 
lo     Lincencap: Lower loopback
        inet addr: 1237.0.0.1  Mask 255.0.0.0
        inet6 addr:  ::1/128  Scope: Host
        UPLOOPBACK RUNNING   MTU:16436 Metric:1
        Rx Packets 2299: errors: 0 dropped: 0 overruns: 0 frame:0
        Tx packets 2299: errors:0 dropped:0 overruns: 0 carrier: 0 collisions: 0 txqueuelen: 0  Rx bytes: 2299609(28Mb)  Tx bytes 2991609 (2.8Mb)
 
Hope this helps, forgive any typos.  Thanks for the response!!
       

Joe Brandt <vzd1s11k@verizon.net> wrote:
Dean Shepherd wrote:

> Being the NOOB that I am, I am having trouble setting up my DSL. I
> have a USRobotics wireless router, but the system is wired in via
> ethernet card. I can't seem to get the NIC configured so that it
> picks up. Any help would be appreciated

ok make sure that the phone filter is off of the modem phone line.
Plug the ethernet from the modem to the WAN port on the router.
Plug ethernet line from LAN 1 tp PC
configure eth0 static or dhcp, gateway 192.168.123.254

open browser go to http://192.168.123.254 to setup your router

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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 20:44:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B0iCJN020173 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:44:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9B0iCKE020172 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:44:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B0iBJN020168 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:44:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B0iAbL008479 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:44:10 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B0i1Ht025819 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:44:01 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=[192.168.2.103]) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CGoI6-0006Eq-4w for slug@nks.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:43:54 -0700 Message-ID: <4169D8DD.8080401@apotheon.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:50:37 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040918) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c4af12$579b8aa0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> <4169BC77.9050202@apotheon.com> <200410101926.35910.steve@szmidt.org> <4169D257.5010302@apotheon.com> In-Reply-To: <4169D257.5010302@apotheon.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.645, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chad Perrin wrote: > > Note: I didn't not say that the external firewall makes ZA redundant, I > made a comment about an external firewall having nothing to do with ZA > _except_insofar_as_ it makes ZA redundant. To some degree, a good > external firewall _does_ make ZA redundant -- that is to say, some of > ZA's functionality is redundant when one has a good external firewall > running. ZA and the external firewall perform some entirely redundant > functions, in comparison with one another. > > They're not mutually exclusive, and they are not _wholly_ redundant, but > bits and pieces of them _are_ redundant. Get my drift? That "not" -- the third word in the first full sentence -- is wholly redundant, though. Whoops. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 20:51:03 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B0p3JN020243 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:51:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9B0p29t020242 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:51:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B0p1JN020234 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:51:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B0p0bL008704 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:51:00 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B0on26023005 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:50:49 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 80so113323rnk for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.17 with SMTP id b17mr1025091rnf; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.21 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f12986041010175029c90de@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:50:49 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "ports" v. "packages" distributions -- WAS: Galeon, may I have a dog, please? In-Reply-To: <1097439618.2829.457.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604100808093f2fd0e3@mail.gmail.com> <1097417359.2829.414.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097439618.2829.457.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.02, required 6, AWL 0.02, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Brian I not a normal gentoo user. While I am impressed with gentoo and the developers who take care of the various "Ports" I know that I get great speed out of my binary distrobution. My main distrobution happens to be slackware which does like fedora i486 with i686 optimizations. Slack is fast and nimble. But noticed with some applications the extra optimaztion that are targeted for my Pentium 4 processor Seem to make a difference. With near identical setups between gentoo and slackware I noticing better Frames per sec in games. Large emulation products such as Basilisk II , SheepShaver and PearPC are snappier in there functions. All I was saying that thing felt snappier, saying something felt is far for sciencific benchmarks ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 22:38:21 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B2cAJN021015 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:38:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9B2c5ht021014 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:38:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B2bwJN021006 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:37:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B2bwbL012619 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:37:58 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B2bdHt016439 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:37:39 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9B2bbZo028323 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:37:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router In-Reply-To: <20041011004001.14009.qmail@web14704.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Dean Shepherd wrote: > > > Being the NOOB that I am, I am having trouble setting up my DSL. I > > have a USRobotics wireless router, but the system is wired in via > > ethernet card. I can't seem to get the NIC configured so that it > > picks up. Any help would be appreciated > I am using Fedora 2, when I set up DHCP as instructed by verizon, it > doesn't give me the option to put in a gateway IP. If I set to DHCP, > and ping 192.168.123.254, I get "network is unreachable". If I set it > to static IP, it requires an IP address in addition to a gateway. > Since IP address is dynamic, I don't know what to put for it. > "ifconfig" in root gives the following: > etho Link:encap Ethernet HWaddr: 00:50:2C:07:DA:3F > inet6addr: fe80::250:2cff:fe07:da3f/64 > UPBROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > Rx Packets: 0 errors: 0 dropped: 0 overruns: 0 frame: 0 > Tx Pacets: 13 errors: 0 dropped: 0 overruns: 0 carrier: 0 collisions : 0 txquelen > Rx bytes:0 Tx Bytes:0 > Interrupt: 225 Base address:0xb400 > > lo Lincencap: Lower loopback > inet addr: 1237.0.0.1 Mask 255.0.0.0 > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope: Host > UPLOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > Rx Packets 2299: errors: 0 dropped: 0 overruns: 0 frame:0 > Tx packets 2299: errors:0 dropped:0 overruns: 0 carrier: 0 collisions: 0 txqueuelen: 0 Rx bytes: 2299609(28Mb) Tx bytes 2991609 (2.8Mb) > > Hope this helps, forgive any typos. Thanks for the response!! (why not copy+paste?) But if it's set up as I think it is: ( internet ) | [DSL/cable modem] | [USR router] | [Fedora machine] then set the Fedora machine to a static address (IP address=192.168.123.x, gateway=192.168.123.254) until you get the router configured. Make sure the router runs a DHCP client on its WAN side (so it gets an IP address from Verizon) and a DHCP server on its LAN side (so you get an IP addres from it). Actually, any machine on your LAN can run a DHCP server (or you can use static addresses on all the machines), but that's the easiest. Once you get the router fixed up, you can use DHCP. Most likely, it will take whatever address Verizon assigns to it for its WAN side, and its LAN side will be in the 192.168.123.0/24 subnet, and it'll use IP Masquerading aka Network Address Translation between them. Fedora does appear to use IPv6, and it looks like that coexists with IPv4. IPv6 may be extra overhead, if nothing else needs it. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar A: Because it looks dumb and is hard to read. Q: Why is top-posting wrong? -- from lots42@xxx.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 22:58:29 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B2wSJN021163 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:58:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9B2wNk8021162 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:58:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B2wHJN021158 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:58:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B2w8bL013337 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:58:08 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.220]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B2w026008166 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:58:01 -0400 Received: from microtelinnsandsuites2601950.cust-rtr.swbell.net ([65.64.149.129] helo=[172.17.2.107]) by asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CGqNr-0004dJ-4y for slug@nks.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:58:00 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: "ports" v. "packages" distributions -- Dangerous use of -O3 option and SSE in the P4 From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <31f12986041010175029c90de@mail.gmail.com> References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604100808093f2fd0e3@mail.gmail.com> <1097417359.2829.414.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097439618.2829.457.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <31f12986041010175029c90de@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097463472.2475.15.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:57:52 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79b8457b2c7e884da3c1fbbf57ca6a90ac350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.64.149.129 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.694, required 6, AWL -0.11, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_RELAY 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 20:50, Robert Snyder wrote: > Slack is fast and nimble. But noticed with some applications the > extra optimaztion that are targeted for my Pentium 4 processor Seem > to make a difference. With near identical setups between gentoo and > slackware I noticing better Frames per sec in games. Large emulation > products such as Basilisk II , SheepShaver and PearPC are snappier in > there functions. All I was saying that thing felt snappier, saying > something felt is far for sciencific benchmarks Ah, yes, the gcc -O3 option must be used then. That will liberally use SSE instead of the FPU. I'd take a look at the "accuracy" of those optimizations. Because the P3/P4 have dedicated SSE pipes. Those pipes do not offer the accuracy and precision of the FPU. In a nutshell, they weren't designed with accuracy or precision in mind, but performance. That means they were purposely engineered with "lossy math." Tom's hardware guide was the first one to discover this years ago. Comparing SSE to FPU MPEG-4 image quality, it was signficiant. _All_ floating point math in a CPU is error-prone. But the difference between x87 FPU and P3+ SSE are radically different. The former, we're talking 16+ digits down. With the latter, we could be talking very significant errors. All done on _purpose_. -- Bryan P.S. Athlons/Opterons use their used FPU pipes for SSE operations -- i.e., no loss of accuracy or precision. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 10 23:32:26 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B3WQJN021437 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:32:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9B3WPCn021436 for slug-track29; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:32:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B3WBJN021431 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:32:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B3WAbN014635 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:32:11 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B3Vt26013203 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:32:00 -0400 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (184-177.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.177.184]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9B3VqT4025939 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <416A0024.8040209@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:38:12 -0400 From: Richard Smoot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040216 Debian/1.6.x.1-10 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> <416987B3.5060006@verizon.net> <41698B22.2020507@verizon.net> <4169946B.2030601@myraandpete.net> In-Reply-To: <4169946B.2030601@myraandpete.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.73, required 6, AWL 0.09, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Pete S. wrote: > Joe Brandt wrote: > >> The reason I want a security box is that my wife runs XP Home. Quite >> a few times she has turned off her computer and a box opens stating >> that other users are connected to her computer. We think she is >> being hacked from the net. We want to verify and / or stop this. >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >> Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >> posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >> official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. >> > If she is using a wireless connection... this also could be a way that > they are logging on to her computer. Try installing zone alarm (there > is a free version for personal use). This will monitor all software > that has inbound and outbound connections. If you already have a > router in place (such as the Linksys) this should have already stopped > external cable modem users from connecting to her computer, unless she > has some sort of software (trojan) installed that would allow them to > login. Keep in mind, any shares that she may have setup (such as file > sharing, printer sharing, Kazaa, etc.) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > I would install and run the free Spybot Search and Destroy and maybe Adaware. Beware several sources put out things with similar names I don't trust. I also use Zonealarm too. I like to know when somebody is trying to phone home. I haven't been using Windows for the Web for a good while. Why don't you set her up dual boot with someting like Xandros. I 've got my wife using Xandros quite happily now. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 11 00:23:23 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B4N4JN021794 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:23:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9B4N37h021789 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:23:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B4MuJN021785 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:22:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B4MubL016883 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:22:56 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B4MeHt008146 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:22:40 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9B4McNv016798 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:22:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router In-Reply-To: <416A0024.8040209@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: I would install and run the free Spybot Search and Destroy and maybe > Adaware. FPA "Ada-ware", and I wondered what Ada Lovelace had to do with malware. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar A: Because it looks dumb and is hard to read. Q: Why is top-posting wrong? -- from lots42@xxx.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 11 01:45:22 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B5jBJN022363 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:45:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9B5jBKr022362 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:45:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9B5j9JN022358 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:45:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B5j9bL020827 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:45:09 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9B5iw26003928 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:44:58 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=[192.168.2.103]) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CGsz6-0000y1-MH for slug@nks.net; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:44:36 -0700 Message-ID: <416A1F5B.60806@apotheon.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:51:23 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040918) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> <416987B3.5060006@verizon.net> <41698B22.2020507@verizon.net> <4169946B.2030601@myraandpete.net> <416A0024.8040209@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <416A0024.8040209@tampabay.rr.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.608, required 6, AWL 0.61, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Richard Smoot wrote: > I would install and run the free Spybot Search and Destroy and maybe > Adaware. > Beware several sources put out things with similar names I don't trust. > I also use > Zonealarm too. I like to know when somebody is trying to phone home. > I haven't been using Windows for the Web for a good while. > Why don't you set her up dual boot with someting like Xandros. I 've got > my wife > using Xandros quite happily now. If using Windows: In addition to using Spybot Search and Destroy (safer-networking.org) and Lavasoft Ad-Aware (lavasoftusa.com), I'd also recommend Bazooka Spyware Scanner (kephyr.com) and good non-Microsoft replacements for Internet Explorer (my favorite is Firefox) and Outlook Express (my favorite is Thunderbird). Since this is getting rapidly off-topic, I guess you're invited to contact me off-list if you have any questions about what I just said in this email. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 11 06:45:31 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BAjUJN024625 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:45:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9BAjPnY024624 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:45:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BAjOJN024620 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:45:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BAjNbR032705 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:45:23 -0400 Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BAj4Ht027627 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:45:04 -0400 Received: from [192.168.254.88] ([4.11.124.133]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041011104503.QTVR14580.out011.verizon.net@[192.168.254.88]> for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 05:45:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: "ports" v. "packages" distributions -- Dangerous use of -O3 option and SSE in the P4 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1097463472.2475.15.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604100808093f2fd0e3@mail.gmail.com> <1097417359.2829.414.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097439618.2829.457.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <31f12986041010175029c90de@mail.gmail.com> <1097463472.2475.15.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097477383.12378.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 02:49:44 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [4.11.124.133] at Mon, 11 Oct 2004 05:45:03 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=10.261, required 6, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.42, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 22:57, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 20:50, Robert Snyder wrote: > > Slack is fast and nimble. But noticed with some applications the > > extra optimaztion that are targeted for my Pentium 4 processor Seem > > to make a difference. With near identical setups between gentoo and > > slackware I noticing better Frames per sec in games. Large emulation > > products such as Basilisk II , SheepShaver and PearPC are snappier in > > there functions. All I was saying that thing felt snappier, saying > > something felt is far for sciencific benchmarks > > Ah, yes, the gcc -O3 option must be used then. > That will liberally use SSE instead of the FPU. > > I'd take a look at the "accuracy" of those optimizations. > Because the P3/P4 have dedicated SSE pipes. > Those pipes do not offer the accuracy and precision of the FPU. > > In a nutshell, they weren't designed with accuracy or precision in mind, > but performance. > That means they were purposely engineered with "lossy math." > > Tom's hardware guide was the first one to discover this years ago. > Comparing SSE to FPU MPEG-4 image quality, it was signficiant. > > _All_ floating point math in a CPU is error-prone. > But the difference between x87 FPU and P3+ SSE are radically different. > The former, we're talking 16+ digits down. > With the latter, we could be talking very significant errors. > > All done on _purpose_. > > -- Bryan > > P.S. Athlons/Opterons use their used FPU pipes for SSE operations -- > i.e., no loss of accuracy or precision. I dont see it passing any -O3 commands to the compilier. As I watch it go passing by. The defualt cflags for Portage when compiling are "-O2 -march=pentium4 -fomit-frame-pointer" Now I have noticed when using a gui front end like porthole that at the bottom they do list additional flags that the piticular ports mantainer decided to use extra usually you see thing like mmx and sse flags but never seen the -O3 Last time i had use an -O3 flag it was after i tricked ICC 7 to install on slackware and got it setup and use ICC 7 with the -O3 -march=pentium4 to get some usualable speed out of sheepshaver when it first came out with it retrofitted powerpc emulation engine. As some would forget that Sheepshaver started out as a ppc virtual machine for Be Boxes and PPC macs running BeOS and then a ported to ppc linux then after couple of years just stitting there in a lonely cvs a ppc emulation core was straped to it and some code changes made and then it became the first PPC emulation on X86 platform. But things are stable and "FEEL" slightly faster. I will emphansize "FEEL" because I have no hard proof that it is faster. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 11 09:20:32 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BDKVJN025771 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:20:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9BDKQHC025770 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:20:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BDKJJN025766 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:20:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BDKIbR005915 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:20:19 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BDK926006256 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:20:10 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CH05w-0006dD-GY for slug@nks.net; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:20:08 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:20:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> <200410101926.35910.steve@szmidt.org> <4169D257.5010302@apotheon.com> In-Reply-To: <4169D257.5010302@apotheon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410110920.05023.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.179, required 6, AWL -0.52, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 10 October 2004 08:22 pm, Chad Perrin wrote: > steve szmidt wrote: > > On Sunday 10 October 2004 06:49 pm, Chad Perrin wrote: > >>xcalibre wrote: > >>>free version of zonealarm will not work with linksys routers only thhe > >>>paide version has filtering to work with routers > >> > >>ZoneAlarm works on the PC on which it is installed to prevent packets > >>from entering and leaving the system based on what rules you set for it, > >>based on which network "zone" the packets are coming from or going to. > >>Whether or not there's a router has very little to do with it, except > >>insofar as the router makes ZoneAlarm redundant if it is also a firewall. > > > > Well this is not entirely correct. Having ZA and an external f/w running > > is not redundant as security is a multi-layered approach. It's made out > > of many pieces working together. Each adding a layer of security. > > > > (I've not used/seen ZA Pro, but it could have routing support in which > > case it could have the ability to understand routing protocols.) > > > > ZA by itself is not total security as it can be bypassed from the > > outside. Ditto a packet filter which does not know anything about > > applications cannot block what ZA blocks. > > > > Let's say you browse a corrupted website and end up downloading a viral > > application. Your packetfilter sure did not stop it. Windows being nice > > and cooperative, then executes it for you (well, for the criminal > > hacker). > > > > It may not have the smarts to modify ZA and so when it tries to go online > > ZA stops it. So disabling ZA is not the thing to do just because you have > > a packet filter firewall. > > > > Now a proxy fireewall can do a bit better as it sends out a proxy request > > and then returns a proxy answer. So to some degree it's better on dealing > > with the above. > > > > Ideally you also have an application firewall, not unlike ZA. Except ZA > > is not a true application firewall, more of a hybrid. > > > > Another layer is not to allow images or html to be drawn or executed > > through email. Yet another one can be various s/w that detects abnormal > > behavior or traffic. > > > > Anyway, the point with this was just to show why a firewall and ZA are > > not mutually exclusive, or redundant. > > Note: I didn't not say that the external firewall makes ZA redundant, I > made a comment about an external firewall having nothing to do with ZA > _except_insofar_as_ it makes ZA redundant. To some degree, a good > external firewall _does_ make ZA redundant -- that is to say, some of > ZA's functionality is redundant when one has a good external firewall > running. ZA and the external firewall perform some entirely redundant > functions, in comparison with one another. > > They're not mutually exclusive, and they are not _wholly_ redundant, but > bits and pieces of them _are_ redundant. Get my drift? Hmm, no I don't. There's not much they share as far as how they filter. A packet filter does not filter out anything that ZA does, and vice versa. Maybe I don't get what you are saying. The big point being that one should have both. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 11 09:36:27 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BDaQJN025893 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:36:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9BDaQbg025892 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:36:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BDaPJN025888 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:36:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BDaObN006527 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:36:24 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BDa9Ht031119 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:36:09 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so224354rnk for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.126.4 with SMTP id y4mr1621314rnc; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.19 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e3104101106365cb22dbb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:36:08 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "ports" v. "packages" distributions -- WAS: Galeon, may I have a dog, please? In-Reply-To: <1097439618.2829.457.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604100808093f2fd0e3@mail.gmail.com> <1097417359.2829.414.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097439618.2829.457.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > "Ports" distros just force building on you. I agree. With a good "packages" distribution, you have the option of doing a quick binary install, or setting your own opt(io|imizat)ions with source package build. I like this, because for ~90% of my software, I don't change any of the default options, so why waste my bandwidth and cycles building the same binaries that everybody else has? And for the other 10%, things that can be heavily optimized to make use of certain extensions, or that have a wide variety of compile-time options from which to choose, or that I just want to hack around in the source, I'm free to do so without compiling every dependency by hand as well. Also, much of the so-called optimization/extension advantage goes away on a non-x86 platform where there aren't 12 different cpus with different capabilities all trying to use the same ancient binary interface. Anyway, if optimization/extension utilization was the primary goal, one might be just as well off with a package distribution that maintained separate binary repositories for each distinct processor class. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 11 09:55:54 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BDtrJN026032 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:55:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9BDthqu026031 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:55:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BDtfJN026027 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:55:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BDtfbL007258 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:55:41 -0400 Received: from invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net (invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.254]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BDtB26011293 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:55:11 -0400 Received: from microtelinnsandsuites2601950.cust-rtr.swbell.net ([65.64.149.129] helo=[172.17.2.107]) by invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CH0dq-0000Tf-Vp for slug@nks.net; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:55:11 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: "ports" v. "packages" distributions -- Overuse of SSE ... From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1097477383.12378.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604100808093f2fd0e3@mail.gmail.com> <1097417359.2829.414.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097439618.2829.457.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <31f12986041010175029c90de@mail.gmail.com> <1097463472.2475.15.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097477383.12378.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097502909.2475.172.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:55:10 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7901ff314a98dcf5e6ad95e6b44e8dc15e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.64.149.129 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.716, required 6, AWL -0.09, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_RELAY 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 02:49, Robert Snyder wrote: > I dont see it passing any -O3 commands to the compilier. As I watch it > go passing by. > The defualt cflags for Portage when compiling are "-O2 -march=pentium4 > -fomit-frame-pointer" Now I have noticed when using a gui front end like > porthole that at the bottom they do list additional flags that the > piticular ports mantainer decided to use extra usually you see thing > like mmx and sse flags but never seen the -O3 Okay, maybe the package offers SSE support. That's fine for gaming, but for scientific/engineering, do _not_ use SSE on a Pentium 3/4! Trust me on this. > But things are stable and "FEEL" slightly faster. I will emphansize > "FEEL" because I have no hard proof that it is faster. If SSE is being liberally used where it shouldn't, which I've seen a few packages do not, then I don't doubt it. You should _never_ use SSE for double-precision floating-point on a Pentium 3/4 when you need accuracy. It's lossy and inaccurate by a significant number of digits. The P3/4 SSE pipes were designed to be fast, not accurate. Most people don't know this until they get major error in a calculation. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 11 10:48:06 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BEm0JN026428 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:48:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9BEm09N026427 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:48:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BElrJN026423 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:47:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BElnbL009284 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:47:53 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BElcHt014751 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:47:38 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.6] (222-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.222]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528F3140786A for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <416A9D0A.9030305@myraandpete.net> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:47:38 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> <416987B3.5060006@verizon.net> <41698B22.2020507@verizon.net> <4169946B.2030601@myraandpete.net> <002b01c4af12$579b8aa0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <002b01c4af12$579b8aa0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.917, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net xcalibre wrote: >free version of zonealarm will not work with linksys routers only thhe paide >version has filtering to work with routers > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pete S." >To: >Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 3:58 PM >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router > > > > >>Joe Brandt wrote: >> >> >> >>>The reason I want a security box is that my wife runs XP Home. Quite >>>a few times she has turned off her computer and a box opens stating >>>that other users are connected to her computer. We think she is being >>>hacked from the net. We want to verify and / or stop this. >>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>>Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >>>posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >>>official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. >>> >>> >>> >>If she is using a wireless connection... this also could be a way that >>they are logging on to her computer. Try installing zone alarm (there >>is a free version for personal use). This will monitor all software >>that has inbound and outbound connections. If you already have a router >>in place (such as the Linksys) this should have already stopped external >>cable modem users from connecting to her computer, unless she has some >>sort of software (trojan) installed that would allow them to login. >>Keep in mind, any shares that she may have setup (such as file sharing, >>printer sharing, Kazaa, etc.) >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >>posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >>official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. >> >> > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 10/8/2004 > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > The free version would not allow for stateful packet monitoring from the Linksys rounter, but would allow the windows box to monitor all incoming, and outgoing software from the XP box, which is the system that may be compromised. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 11 11:51:27 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BFpLJN026867 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:51:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9BFpLd1026866 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:51:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BFpJJN026862 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:51:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BFpIbR011881 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:51:19 -0400 Received: from starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net (starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.227]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BFp026029274 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:51:00 -0400 Received: from microtelinnsandsuites2601950.cust-rtr.swbell.net ([65.64.149.129] helo=[172.17.2.107]) by starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CH2Rv-0006Q6-To for slug@nks.net; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:51:00 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: Router -- defense-in-depth From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <416A9D0A.9030305@myraandpete.net> References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> <416987B3.5060006@verizon.net> <41698B22.2020507@verizon.net> <4169946B.2030601@myraandpete.net> <002b01c4af12$579b8aa0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> <416A9D0A.9030305@myraandpete.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097509858.2475.208.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:50:58 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec793f3595604d1b42649c0fcec8f3284053350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.64.149.129 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.742, required 6, AWL -0.06, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_RELAY 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net xcalibre wrote: > free version of zonealarm will not work with linksys routers only thhe paide > version has filtering to work with routers Pete S. wrote: > The free version would not allow for stateful packet monitoring from > the Linksys rounter, but would allow the windows box to monitor all > incoming, and outgoing software from the XP box, which is the system > that may be compromised. You should always pair individual host-based filtering and scanning with a network-based filtering, scanning and system. Of course, it's easy to get overloaded with logs, activity reports, etc... So you typically want something that offers auditing. Typically a network IDS (on the firewall is good enough for SOHO/SMB) combined with a centralized host auditing system (that reads and interprets logs from individual hosts) is good enough. Basic "defense-in-depth." Also don't forget that various layers of your internal network should be firewalled. That's one of the major reasons I _dislike_ ADS, because the Kerberos Distribution Center (KDC aka "key server") is on the same system that is running DCE-RPC and other CIFS/SMB services (as well as DNS if you are using "proprietary" mode). -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 11 11:56:48 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BFulJN026902 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:56:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9BFuk83026901 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:56:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BFuTJN026897 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:56:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BFuSbL012085 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:56:29 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BFuI26030029 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:56:22 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=[192.168.2.103]) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CH2X3-0001TN-8P for slug@nks.net; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:56:17 -0700 Message-ID: <416AAEB8.3050102@apotheon.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:03:04 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040918) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: "ports" v. "packages" distributions -- Overuse of SSE ... References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604100808093f2fd0e3@mail.gmail.com> <1097417359.2829.414.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097439618.2829.457.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <31f12986041010175029c90de@mail.gmail.com> <1097463472.2475.15.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097477383.12378.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097502909.2475.172.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> In-Reply-To: <1097502909.2475.172.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.919, required 6, AWL 0.27, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 02:49, Robert Snyder wrote: > >>I dont see it passing any -O3 commands to the compilier. As I watch it >>go passing by. >>The defualt cflags for Portage when compiling are "-O2 -march=pentium4 >>-fomit-frame-pointer" Now I have noticed when using a gui front end like >>porthole that at the bottom they do list additional flags that the >>piticular ports mantainer decided to use extra usually you see thing >>like mmx and sse flags but never seen the -O3 > > > Okay, maybe the package offers SSE support. > > That's fine for gaming, but for scientific/engineering, do _not_ use SSE > on a Pentium 3/4! Trust me on this. > > >>But things are stable and "FEEL" slightly faster. I will emphansize >>"FEEL" because I have no hard proof that it is faster. > > > If SSE is being liberally used where it shouldn't, which I've seen a few > packages do not, then I don't doubt it. > > You should _never_ use SSE for double-precision floating-point on a > Pentium 3/4 when you need accuracy. It's lossy and inaccurate by a > significant number of digits. > > The P3/4 SSE pipes were designed to be fast, not accurate. > Most people don't know this until they get major error in a calculation. > I'm probably opening a can of worms I shouldn't by asking this, but: What is SSE? I know what the FPU is, but you lost me with SSE. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 11 12:16:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BGGCJN027039 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:16:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9BGG7IK027038 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:16:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BGG0JN027030 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:16:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BGG0bL012850 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:16:00 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BGFd26000776 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:15:39 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=[192.168.2.103]) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CH2pi-00045e-Ko for slug@nks.net; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:15:34 -0700 Message-ID: <416AB33F.7060600@apotheon.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:22:23 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040918) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router References: <20041010174926.89877.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> <200410101926.35910.steve@szmidt.org> <4169D257.5010302@apotheon.com> <200410110920.05023.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200410110920.05023.steve@szmidt.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.913, required 6, AWL 0.27, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: > The big point being that one should have both. Yeah, the relevant bit is that more security is better than less -- all else being equal. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 11 13:03:56 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BH3tJN027377 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:03:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9BH3olD027376 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:03:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BH3hJN027372 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:03:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BH3hbL014866 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:03:43 -0400 Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BH3R26008519 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:03:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.254.88] ([4.11.124.133]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041011170327.TUUG24594.out001.verizon.net@[192.168.254.88]> for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:03:27 -0500 Message-ID: <416AF543.7070605@gte.net> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:04:03 -0400 From: Robert Snyder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Windows/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: "ports" v. "packages" distributions -- Overuse of SSE ... References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604100808093f2fd0e3@mail.gmail.com> <1097417359.2829.414.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097439618.2829.457.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <31f12986041010175029c90de@mail.gmail.com> <1097463472.2475.15.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097477383.12378.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097502909.2475.172.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <416AAEB8.3050102@apotheon.com> In-Reply-To: <416AAEB8.3050102@apotheon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [4.11.124.133] at Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:03:27 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=9.641, required 6, AWL -2.88, DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 1.93, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, FU_FREE 0.10, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chad Perrin wrote: > Bryan J. Smith wrote: > >> On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 02:49, Robert Snyder wrote: >> >>> I dont see it passing any -O3 commands to the compilier. As I watch it >>> go passing by. >>> The defualt cflags for Portage when compiling are "-O2 -march=pentium4 >>> -fomit-frame-pointer" Now I have noticed when using a gui front end >>> like >>> porthole that at the bottom they do list additional flags that the >>> piticular ports mantainer decided to use extra usually you see thing >>> like mmx and sse flags but never seen the -O3 >> >> >> >> Okay, maybe the package offers SSE support. >> >> That's fine for gaming, but for scientific/engineering, do _not_ use SSE >> on a Pentium 3/4! Trust me on this. >> >> >>> But things are stable and "FEEL" slightly faster. I will emphansize >>> "FEEL" because I have no hard proof that it is faster. >> >> >> >> If SSE is being liberally used where it shouldn't, which I've seen a few >> packages do not, then I don't doubt it. >> >> You should _never_ use SSE for double-precision floating-point on a >> Pentium 3/4 when you need accuracy. It's lossy and inaccurate by a >> significant number of digits. >> >> The P3/4 SSE pipes were designed to be fast, not accurate. >> Most people don't know this until they get major error in a calculation. >> > > I'm probably opening a can of worms I shouldn't by asking this, but: > > What is SSE? I know what the FPU is, but you lost me with SSE. SSE is Streaming SIMD Extensions and what are Streaming SIMD Extensions - Intel Corporation 's floating point SIMD extention of their Pentium microprocessor architecture. SSE was formerly know as KNI (Katmai New Instructions). It was introduced with the Pentium III . SSE was to help video and audio applications ( does this sound filimiar yet) Long story short best way to describe the functions of SSE is to say it took over for MMX..... While it more than simply MMX2 it tooks expanded on MMX and supposely the MMX2 project got merged into SSE and SSE2 *SSE-2* - Intel Corporation 's extention of their SSE floating point SIMD instructions to handle 64-bit floating point numbers. SSE-2 was introduced with the Pentium 4. *Matrix Math eXtensions* - (MMX) (NOT an acronym for "MultiMedia eXtension", according to Intel, but an Intel brand name) A set of 57 extra instructions built into some versions of Intel's Pentium microprocessors for supporting SIMD operations on multimedia and communications data types. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net Cc: pc_support@matrixlist.com In-Reply-To: <416AAEB8.3050102@apotheon.com> References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604100808093f2fd0e3@mail.gmail.com> <1097417359.2829.414.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097439618.2829.457.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <31f12986041010175029c90de@mail.gmail.com> <1097463472.2475.15.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097477383.12378.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097502909.2475.172.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <416AAEB8.3050102@apotheon.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097515657.2475.304.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:27:37 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79d962d98ccc93bcecbd26967864602bcc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.64.149.129 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.006, required 6, NEW_DOMAIN_EXTENSIONS 2.20, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_RELAY 0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 12:03, Chad Perrin wrote: > I'm probably opening a can of worms I shouldn't by asking this, Yes, to someone who specialized in computer architecture (BSCpE, UCF '97) and spent 20 months in the semiconductor industry, yes. ;-ppp > but: What is SSE? I know what the FPU is, but you lost me with SSE. First understand there are Instruction Set Architectures (ISA), which are how the processor actually handles instructions, and then there are "extensions" to the ISA. MMX, 3DNow! and SSE are "extensions." i486, i586, i686 and RISC86 are ISAs. Streaming SIMD (Single Instruction, Multiple Data) Extensions. It's basically Intel's 2nd set of instructions after its initial Math Matrix eXtensions (MMX). Here's the x86 extension lineage: Intel MMX (Math Matrix eXtensions) Largely integer-only (useful for audio, 2D images, etc...) P55C (Pentium MMX): i586 ISA, 2-issue ALU, 1-issue FPU A few improvements in ALU over massively buggy P54C ALU P6-2 (Pentium 2): i686 ISA, 2-issue ALU, 2-issue FPU PPro (i686 ISA) superior ALU to Pentium, adds MMX Nx686 (AMD K6 series): RISC86/i686 ISA, 3-issue ALU, 1-issue FPU Microcoded MMX to take advantage of unused ALU pipes AMD 3DNow! Largely single-precision, some double-precision floating point Nx686 (AMD K6 series): i686 ISA, 3-issue ALU, 1-issue FPU Addressed Pentium "de-optimizations" (like the ALU LOAD fix) K7 (AMD Athlon): RISC86/i686 ISA, 3-issue ALU, 3-issue FPU Allowed more efficient use of unused FPU/registers pipes K8 (AMD A64/Opteron): As K7, with dedicated XMM registers As K7 with augmented register renaming/out-of-order execution Intel SSE and SSE2 (Streaming SIMD Extensions) Largely single and double-precision floating point P6-3 (Pentium 3): 2-issue ALU, 2-issue FPU, 1-issue SSE Dedicated SSE pipe, designed for speed, not accuracy P6-4 (Pentium 4): 2-issue ALU, 2-issue FPU, 2-issue SSE Added another pipe, SSE2 improvements, same design issue K7 (AMD Athlon): RISC86/i686, 3-issue ALU, 3-issue FPU SSE/SSE2 Microcoded to use unused FPU/registers pipes K8 (AMD A64/Opteron: As K7, with dedicated XMM registers As K7 with augmented register renaming/out-of-order execution Intel Superscalar Generation 1: Pentium Scalable from 60MHz - 300MHz Pentium (i586), 4-issue (2 ALU, 1 FPU), released in 1992, was the first ever released superscalar x86 processor. It had lots of bugs, especially in its ALU. The ALU was so bad that idSoftware found it was faster to load 2x 32-bit integers into the new, pipelined FPU registers, and then issue several operations to move them into the ALU registers, than to directly load them into the ALU. Such Pentium "hacks" or "optimizations" were commonplace. Sadly enough, these optimizations not only hurt clone x86 processors, but even Intel's own Pentium Pro (i686). That's why i586 optimizations are _not_ recommended for modern processors, but i686 instead. When MMX was added, Intel improved some of the ALU design of the Pentium, but not Intel Superscalar Generation 2: Pentium Pro - Pentium 3 Scalable from 200MHz - 1GHz, upto 1.5GHz with async hacks Pentium Pro (i686), 7-issue (2 ALU, 2 FPU), released later in 1994, was Intel's _final_and_last_ major x86 design -- a full 7-issue design (2 ALU, 2 FPU). All _current_ Pentium processors are based on it (see below). It fixed a lot of Pentium bugs, and improved on the ALU significantly, bringing it closer to traditional RISC performance (especially in the FPU). The Pentium 2 added MMX as well. Unfortunately, the 2nd FPU pipeline really isn't. It split out the logic so if the 1st pipeline is doing an ADD, the 2nd pipeline can. The second the 1st pipeline does a complex FPU instruction, the 2nd one can't do anything. The Pentium 3 (i686), 8-issue (2 ALU, 2 FPU, 1 SSE) was a "stop-gap" redesign of the Pentium Pro/Pentium 2. Despite the "Coppermine" codename, it did _not_ use Copper interconnects. It added a new, specialized FPU pipe for its new SSE instructions. The pipe is very lossy (designed purposely to make errors for speed), and must be specifically targetted with extensions (so Intel avoided having to redesign the ALU+FPU core). Intel Superscalar Generation 2 Stage Redesign: Pentium 4, "Yamhill" Scalable from 1GHz - 5GHz The EPIC/Predication CS approach in Intel IA-64 _failed_ to work efficiently in silicon, must as Digital Semiconductor had publicly predicted it would. So with Itanium unable to even perform well at its own instructions (let alone x86 compatibility), Intel had to redesign its aging P6 core which had trouble scaling much beyond 1GHz. The Pentium 4 (i686 ISA), 9-issue (2 ALU, 2 FPU, 2 SSE) was a simple stage-extension redesign that took only 18 months (normally a core redesign is 18 months plus). It's stages are now over 40, compared to the PPro-P3's sub-20. This has introduced several issues. One is that the Pentium 4 performance of its ALU is about 33% slower than the P3, MHz for MHz, so a 1.5GHz P4 is like a 1GHz P3. The FPU took an even greater hit, 50% slower than the P3. To combat this, Intel introduced a 2nd SSE pipeline, with new SSE2 extensions that make better use of the dual-SSE pipes. It also released new, SSE optimized compilers and added the optimizations to GCC as well. Unfortunately, the SSE has nowhere near the accuracy of an FPU. I've met several Intel engineers who worked on the P4 that have openly complained that Intel would have been far better off spending the extra 18 months redesigning the core than introducing yet a new set half-baked extensions. The other is in control. There is no register renaming. The run-time optimizations are minimal. And the branch predictor unit is one of the worst in the x86 business. These were things that were supposed to be eliminated in IA-64's EPIC-Predication approach, but failed (hence IA-64 is being retrofitted with newly acquired Alpha 364 designs for register renaming, out-of-order execution and branch prediction). So when the P4 mis-predicts a branch (about 6% of the time), the entire chip must be flushed and stalls. One workaround Intel came up with for this was Symmetric HyperThreading (SMT). It allows two independent instruction streams controlled by the OS, not the chip, to handle scheduling. Although it adds overhead at both the chip and OS level, it does allow better scheduling of the pipes and only half of the chip to "stall" on a branch mis-predict. "Yamhill" was another quick redesign of the P4 to add some x86-64 instructions. It does _not_, however, feature _key_ x86-64 units like the I/O Memory Management Unit (MMU). But such features would be useless on the existing 32/36-bit AGTL+ "Front-Side Bottleneck" implementation of the current P4/Xeon platform anyway. [ SIDE NOTE: I have personally predicted that "Yamhill" is a 2 part project. The first has been realized. The second will adopt Yamhill for the 50-bit Infiniband/Itanium platform, and add _full_ x86-64 capability. ] AMD Generation 0: Dead (original K5) Scalable only to 110MHZ AMD Superscalar Generation 1: K5, K6 Scalable from 120-600MHz The NexGen Nx586, released in 1994, was the second superscalar x86 processor. It was a 3-issue ALU, one more than the Pentium, 4-issue total, no FPU. It used a new ISA known as RISC86 -- which breaks down variable 8-bit to 144-bit x86 instructions into fixed sized 32-bit RISC that is almost totally devoid of microcode. Taking almost 8 years to design, it only ran i386 instructions with some i486 support. It also lacked a FPU. NexGen later added a non-pipelined FPU in the Nx586-FP, which actually performed better at instructions than the Pentium's FPU, unless lots of instructions were staged, along with full i486/TLB support. AMD bought NexGen and the Nx586-FP became later instances of the K5 (earlier K5s could not scale past 100MHz). These K5's were rated at rating higher than actual speed. AMD then released the revised Nx686 with full Intel Pentium Pro (i686 ISA) and MMX support -- far in advance of Cyrix or IDT (who were still shipping an i486 ISA as late as several years ago). The Nx686 sported probably the greatest branch predictor unit ever designed (mega-overkill), which AMD scaled back in future releases. It also was the first CISC processor to sport full register renaming and out-of-order execution, things that you'd only find in RISC. The FPU was still not pipelined, but it was very fast when given instructions. Latter releases of the K6 series, the K6-2, K6-3, K6-2+, added 3DNow! which was AMD's extensions that added floating point versus just integer. These _pre-dated_ Intel's introduction of SSE (of which, SSE "borrowed" some instructions, just like Intel IA-32e/EM64T now "borrows" AMD x86-64). AMD Superscalar Generation 2: Athlon, Athlon64/Opteron Scalable from 500MHz - 3GHz With the combined resources of newly acquired NexGen and Digital Semiconductor talent, AMD set out to design an extremely flexible instance of the RISC86 architecture. Most industry experts predicted failure, but AMD proved otherwise. >From the get-go, Athlon (i686 ISA) was a 9-issue architecture, 3 ALUs (same as before, why change what already kicks Intel butt) with 3 FPUs, fully pipelined. It had staging similar to the PPro-P3 (sub-20), but sported things like register renaming (far more registers added), far more capable out-of-order execution and a branch prediction unit that was more balanced (the K6's was overkill, for 5x as many transistors) while keeping the state of half the pipes in a mis-predict. It competed very well with the P3 ALU/FPU, and ravaged the P4 ALU/FPU once it was released, while scaling far better than the P3 at less power usage than the P4, MHz for MHz. Probably the "hair puller" for Intel was the Athlon's 3-issue FPU. It could do 2 complex _plus_ 1 ADD/MULT _simultaneously_. That meant it could _surpass_ the capabilities of the P3's 2 FPU + 1 SSE, especially since the Athlon could do (3) MULT simultaneously (very heavily used in matrix operations), and the P3 could only do (1) MULT (which it considers "complex") in the FPU and (1) "lossy" MULT in the SSE pipe. Hence why the P4 was introduced with another SSE pipe. But it got worse for Intel. Whenever Intel introduces more SSE instructions, it has to modify some of the SSE pipes. Not for AMD. It merely breaks out new microcode to do them in its unused FPU pipes! In fact, with register renaming built-in to the core, it's cake for AMD! All the meanwhile, you are getting _true_ FPU accuracy of the AMD's 3-issue x87 FPU unit. Talk about driving Intel nuts! The Athlon also sported a new platform, the EV6 from the Alpha 264. Unlike Intel "bus" SMP, EV6 is a 16-point crossbar MP. AMD never took it beyond dual-processor, but it could have. Alpha 264, which used the same interconnect, was available in up to 14-way designs. Because EV6 _was_ a 64-bit interconnect, it sported _true_ 40-bit addressing. Furthermore, because the EV6 interconnect as a "crossbar," transfers between memory and CPU and I/O and CPU could be independent. This presented a challenge for AMD. Because of this, the I/O management portion of the chipset was moved onto the Athlon MP processor itself. This 40-bit unit that handled the functionality of the "AGPGart" was really a basic I/O memory management unit (MMU). So even the 32-bit Athlon was better as a >4GB platform than Xeon, _if_ you have A) a BIOS that supported "Linux" as a memory option, and B) you loaded a Linux/x86 kernel that supported EV6/40-bit addressing on the Athlon. [ SIDE NOTE: The infamous 4M paging bug of the Athlon was due to the fact that this unit only support 4K paging. The 4M paging mode was enabled by Microsoft because it improved performance on Pentium systems. It does nothing for Athlon, because its 4K paging is already superior, but it did introduce instability with AGP. ] 64-bit Athlon64/Opteron is actually an extension of 32-bit Athlon. In addition to adding 64-bit extensions to registers, and a new set of XMM registers for renaming (largely for SSE -- even code from Intel's own optimizing compilers seem to excel on Athlon64/Opteron thanx to XMM renaming), the underlying platform is totally changed. The 40-bit EV6 gives way to a 48-bit multi-point _per_ processsor 48-bit (maximum allowable for i486 TLB compatibility) platform. The major changes include another unit for a formal I/O MMU, which ties into its _directly_, _multiple_ front-side busses -- from 2 to 5, depending on the model. Athlon64/Opteron processors sport a "total aggregate front-side throughput" of _at_least_ 12.8GBps/processor, and up to 25.6GBps/processor -- compared to Intel only offering a maximum of 8.4GBps/processor with the latest DDR2 memory versions/chipsets. The new NUMA/HyperTransport model requires the I/O MMU, offering not only "processor affinity" for programs/memory, but I/O as well. For more on how NUMA/HT works for servers, see the new November 2004 issue of "Sys Admin" magazine (the #1 UNIX/Linux mag in print circulation): "Dissecting PC Server Performance" http://www.sysadminmag.com/current/ -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 11 15:29:09 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BJT8JN028349 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:29:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9BJT8fH028348 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:29:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BJT6JN028344 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:29:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BJT2bV021039 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:29:03 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BJSX26032101 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:28:38 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=[192.168.2.103]) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CH5q5-00072p-RO for slug@nks.net; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:28:10 -0700 Message-ID: <416AE05E.4060205@apotheon.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:34:54 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040918) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Modern x86 ISAs, Extensions and Platforms -- WAS: Overuse of SSE ... References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604100808093f2fd0e3@mail.gmail.com> <1097417359.2829.414.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097439618.2829.457.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <31f12986041010175029c90de@mail.gmail.com> <1097463472.2475.15.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097477383.12378.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097502909.2475.172.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <416AAEB8.3050102@apotheon.com> <1097515657.2475.304.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> In-Reply-To: <1097515657.2475.304.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.904, required 6, AWL 0.26, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bryan J. Smith wrote: > First understand there are Instruction Set Architectures (ISA), which > are how the processor actually handles instructions, and then there are > "extensions" to the ISA. MMX, 3DNow! and SSE are "extensions." i486, > i586, i686 and RISC86 are ISAs. So, the short version is this: SSE is an instruction set extension layered over MMX. Gotcha. Much of the rest of what you'd said was already in the back of my brain somewhere, but I'd never run across SSE before, as far as I recall. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 11 16:58:56 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BKwoJN028930 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:58:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9BKwoTQ028929 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:58:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BKwmJN028925 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:58:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BKwmbN024691 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:58:48 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.220]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BKwg26013100 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:58:43 -0400 Received: from microtelinnsandsuites2601950.cust-rtr.swbell.net ([65.64.149.129] helo=[172.17.2.107]) by asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CH7Fi-0007MZ-Er for slug@nks.net; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:58:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Modern x86 ISAs, Extensions and Platforms -- WAS: Overuse of SSE ... From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <416AE05E.4060205@apotheon.com> References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604100808093f2fd0e3@mail.gmail.com> <1097417359.2829.414.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097439618.2829.457.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <31f12986041010175029c90de@mail.gmail.com> <1097463472.2475.15.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097477383.12378.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097502909.2475.172.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <416AAEB8.3050102@apotheon.com> <1097515657.2475.304.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <416AE05E.4060205@apotheon.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097528320.2475.336.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:58:40 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79fcbbb1ba39999a33ea9acff87b61ba76350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.64.149.129 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.871, required 6, AWL 0.07, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_RELAY 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 15:34, Chad Perrin wrote: > So, the short version is this: > SSE is an instruction set extension layered over MMX. Gotcha. In a nutshell, MMX and SSE are extensions. At first I was going to respond that MMX and SSE are separate. But AMD treats them all the same, alongside its 3DNow! (which pre-dates SSE). MMX started out as a set of "fixes" for the buggy Pentium ALU and spawned into quite a good set of extensions for image processing, video and audio streaming. SSE is basically Intel's answer to 3DNow!, and was later augmented to jolt some life back into the, now, 11-year old Pentium Pro design from which _all_ current Intel IA-32/32e processors hold their lineage to. > Much of the rest of what you'd said was already in the back of my brain > somewhere, but I'd never run across SSE before, as far as I recall. It was introduced with the Pentium 3, along with a dedicated pipe for it. The Pentium 4 simply adds another, along with major staging changes (largely so it scales to 5GHz). -- Bryan J. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 11 17:02:23 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BL2HJN028976 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:02:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9BL2HkO028975 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:02:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BL2AJN028971 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:02:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BL26bP024861 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:02:07 -0400 Received: from audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net (audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.253]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BL1UHt004856 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:01:30 -0400 Received: from microtelinnsandsuites2601950.cust-rtr.swbell.net ([65.64.149.129] helo=[172.17.2.107]) by audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CH7IP-0003lp-TB for slug@nks.net; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:01:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: "ports" v. "packages" distributions -- Overuse of SSE ... From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <416AF543.7070605@gte.net> References: <200410061454.16957.mario@alienscience.com> <20041006223846.GJ6236@quillandmouse.com> <200410070935.18436.mario@alienscience.com> <20041008012628.GB2705@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e31041008073926478b76@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604100808093f2fd0e3@mail.gmail.com> <1097417359.2829.414.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097439618.2829.457.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <31f12986041010175029c90de@mail.gmail.com> <1097463472.2475.15.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1097477383.12378.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1097502909.2475.172.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <416AAEB8.3050102@apotheon.com> <416AF543.7070605@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097528488.2475.340.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:01:29 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7966fc51d0c6f4033318c10c6849ca4a75350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.64.149.129 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.906, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, FU_FREE 0.10, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_RELAY 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 17:04, Robert Snyder wrote: > SSE was to help video and audio applications ( does this sound filimiar > yet) Long story short best way to describe the functions of SSE is to > say it took over for MMX..... While it more than simply MMX2 it tooks > expanded on MMX and supposely the MMX2 project got merged into SSE and SSE2 Yeah. MMX was largely for 32-bit integer matrix operations. SSE was basically 32-bit single precision floating point. > SIMD > instructions to handle 64-bit floating point numbers. SSE-2 was > introduced with the Pentium 4. To largely offset Intel actually having to completely redesign a new IA-32 core. They try to off-load various 64-bit double-precision off of the 2-issue FPU onto the, now in the P4, 2-issue SSE. The Pentium Pro can only do either (2) ADD or (1) complex instruction. But the SSE pipe is _not_ a FPU, it does _not_ have it accuracy. If you want SSE performance with x87 accuracy, you _have_ to go Athlon. Ironic, isn't it? -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 12 13:43:55 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9CHhnJN005407 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:43:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9CHhdBH005406 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:43:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9CHhWJN005402 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:43:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9CHhRbL010169 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:43:32 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9CHhI26008709 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:43:18 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08809FF922 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:43:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] RAID 1 to RAID5 with raidreconf Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:41:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410121341.42000.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.06, required 6, AWL -0.16, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have a SCSI system that boots from /dev/md0 via initrd. When following the raidreconf documentation on shutting /dev/md0: raidstop /dev/md0 I lose the ability to run the following: raidreconf -o oldraidtab -n newraidtab -m /dev/md0 I've tried to boot with a sysadmin rescue CD with /dev/md0 not running, but it says something about "no available level 1 drivers", but /proc/mdstat reveals it's aware of the personalities of RAID 1 and RAID 5. How should I approach this? /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 12 14:51:35 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9CIpTJN005875 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:51:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9CIpOrI005874 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:51:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9CIpNJN005870 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:51:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9CIpMbL012957 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:51:22 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9CIpE26019392 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:51:14 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CHRjs-00038m-Cv for slug@nks.net; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:51:12 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RAID 1 to RAID5 with raidreconf Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:51:09 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <200410121341.42000.mario@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: <200410121341.42000.mario@alienscience.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410121451.09495.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.173, required 6, AWL -0.53, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 12 October 2004 01:41 pm, Mario Lombardo wrote: > I have a SCSI system that boots from /dev/md0 via initrd. When following > the raidreconf documentation on shutting /dev/md0: > > raidstop /dev/md0 > > I lose the ability to run the following: > > raidreconf -o oldraidtab -n newraidtab -m /dev/md0 > > I've tried to boot with a sysadmin rescue CD with /dev/md0 not running, but > it says something about "no available level 1 drivers", but /proc/mdstat > reveals it's aware of the personalities of RAID 1 and RAID 5. > > How should I approach this? > > /mario Stop messing with RAID! : ) Well joking aside, it might be more reliable and time efficient to just rebuild it fresh as RAID 5, than reconfiguring. (Obvioulsy you have already backed up the data.) As the author noted "However: it is very likely that there are serious bugs that will destroy your data, possibly even on disks not related directly to the array you are re-configuring." Google reveals that a number of people are having problems reconfiguring on both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. So instead of loosing time trying to get that to work you could have it up and running after a complete rebuild. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 12 22:15:44 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9D2FiJN008954 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:15:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9D2FhWU008953 for slug-track29; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:15:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9D2FXJN008949 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:15:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9D2FUbL030839 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:15:30 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9D2F2Ht003433 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:15:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 5248 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2004 02:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.16.56.69) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2004 02:15:01 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A4211125325; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:14:24 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] New content on Jobs and For Sale pages Message-ID: <20041013021424.GD2705@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.698, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Subject says it all. See: http://www.suncoastlug.org/jobs.html and http://www.suncoastlug.org/forsale.html Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 00:26:53 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9D4QrJN009951 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:26:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9D4Qlbn009950 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:26:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9D4QeJN009946 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:26:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9D4QTbN003835 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:26:31 -0400 Received: from odin (6532245hfc187.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.245.187]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9D4QE26009469 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:26:14 -0400 Received: by odin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 86118468F; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:26:13 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] Proceedings of the Tampa Meeting Message-ID: <20041013042613.GA30732@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: Slug List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 23:50:30 up 17 days, 20:43, 8 users, load average: 0.18, 0.07, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040722i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.712, required 6, AWL -0.71) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On the 12th of October, in the year 2004 of the Common Era, the Tampa chapter of the Far-reaching Suncoast Linux User Group did meet at the appointed place and appointed time, and much merriment was to be had by all. That which follows this is an unofficial and innocuous partial transcription of the goings on of the said meeting. The first order of business was the election of the Viceroy of the Tampa meetings. As has been discussed in this very List, ex-Viceroy of the Tampa meetings, our very own President, Paul Foster, desired to not be responsible for the Tampa meeting any longer. Thus it was by unanimous vote by those present that Mario Lombardo would assume the position ignoble position of Viceroy, or Meeting Coordinator First Class, of the Tampa chapter of SLUG. The other candidates being this author, Joey Dale, and a few others, having the platform of enforced dress code of pink hats and something about under pants, did not secure a single vote or even serious consideration by the essembled electorate. It should be noted that even the other candidates favored Mario's ascension. It would be further noted that it seemed Mario did not favor his ascension, but the will of the people was obeyed. There was much levity over the fact that Mario was late in even arriving for the meeting, such comments were made to the affect of the meetings starting very much later under the just rule of Mario. Such scenarios are, of course, nonsense. Many thanks were given to Wayne Pollock for orchestrating the clever and just arrangments for which allowed SLUG to resume meetings at the Hillsborough Community College, and a solid round of applause was to be heard. Near the close of the meeting, several members did come together and suggest the gathering to head to a near by restuarant at which to eat and converse and generally engage in friendly social interaction. So Mario, Leonard, James, Angela, Gloria, Brianna (sp?), Ian Blenke, and this author did decide upon Benigan's, and so it was there that we did engage in merriment and food consumption. At this most informal and courtly meal, Mario did outline his plans to rule with a loose and firm hand, never wavering in opinion or design, crushing all those that oppose the will of Slugadonia. As the said meal came to a close, it was discovered that chariot by which Ian Blenke transports himself had a battery that had not a spark of life within it. Being good-natured and just, our new Viceroy, along with Leonard, did assist in the restoration of the battery. It was by the Power of Leonard's Vehicle that such a feat was performed. The battery had lost the ability to retain it's very essence of Life, and so Mario had to rev the engine of Leonard's vehicle in order to provide enough Power to allow Ian to start his Transportation. Thus it was. It is the opinion of this author that in the future, such proceedings should be given on this very List concerning the goings-on at various meetings, so that those that do not attend given meetings may gain insight into that which occures. -- I'm sure that that could be indented more readably, but I'm scared of the awk parser. -- Larry Wall - GPG Fingerprint=D67D 2B75 53C6 9769 30E4 D390 239F C833 F32C F6F6 GPG KeyID=F32CF6F6 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 07:38:11 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DBc2JN013034 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:38:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DBc2Jw013033 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:38:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DBbxJN013025 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:38:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DBbvbL020382 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:37:58 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DBblHt017527 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:37:47 -0400 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i9DBbiT4025042 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <079e01c4b119$0e6f2400$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <20041013042613.GA30732@hardison.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Proceedings of the Tampa Meeting Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:37:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Near the close of the meeting, several members did come together and > suggest the gathering to head to a near by restuarant at which to eat > and converse and generally engage in friendly social interaction. Hmm. Pat, Wayne and I were at Denny's telling the waitress that these Linux Geeks may or may not show up. Guess you all did :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 08:09:46 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DC9jJN013238 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:09:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DC9jmS013237 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:09:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DC9cJN013233 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:09:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DC9cbL021659 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:09:38 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DC9S26004960 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:09:29 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 74so570882rnk for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.102.60 with SMTP id z60mr2349974rnb; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.207.32 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:09:26 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Proceedings of the Tampa Meeting In-Reply-To: <079e01c4b119$0e6f2400$0f49490a@fifteen> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041013042613.GA30732@hardison.net> <079e01c4b119$0e6f2400$0f49490a@fifteen> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.762, required 6, AWL 0.76, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:37:44 -0400, Robert Foxworth wrote: > > > > Near the close of the meeting, several members did come together and > > suggest the gathering to head to a near by restuarant at which to eat > > and converse and generally engage in friendly social interaction. > > Hmm. Pat, Wayne and I were at Denny's telling the waitress that these > Linux Geeks may or may not show up. Guess you all did :-) Somehow Denny's became Benigan's after you guys left. Blame Ian. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 10:32:09 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DEW4JN014210 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:32:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DEW3IH014209 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:32:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DEW2JN014205 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:32:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DEVxbL026920 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:31:59 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-00.ssn.nks.net (icb-mail-00.nks.net [216.134.200.87]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DEVQHt021803 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:31:26 -0400 Received: from [172.17.225.100] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-00.ssn.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DEVPDm032271 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:31:25 -0400 Message-ID: <416D3C3D.4080302@nks.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:31:25 -0400 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (Macintosh/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Proceedings of the Tampa Meeting References: <20041013042613.GA30732@hardison.net> <079e01c4b119$0e6f2400$0f49490a@fifteen> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dylan Hardison wrote: >On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:37:44 -0400, Robert Foxworth > wrote: > > >> >> >>>Near the close of the meeting, several members did come together and >>>suggest the gathering to head to a near by restuarant at which to eat >>>and converse and generally engage in friendly social interaction. >>> >>> >>Hmm. Pat, Wayne and I were at Denny's telling the waitress that these >>Linux Geeks may or may not show up. Guess you all did :-) >> >> > >Somehow Denny's became Benigan's after you guys left. Blame Ian. > > Where is Denny's? I honestly can't picture it.. So, yeah, it's true, it's all my fault ;) We need to arrange the post-meeting get together a bit ahead of time next month. - Ian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 11:57:22 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DFvCJN014798 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:57:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DFvBH3014797 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:57:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DFvAJN014793 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:57:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DFv9bL030062 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:57:09 -0400 Received: from invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net (invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.254]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DFuoHt006984 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:56:50 -0400 Received: from user-12hckbe.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.81.110] helo=blackgold) by invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CHlUg-0003ai-G0 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:56:50 -0700 Message-ID: <003101c4b13d$9fbe8080$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> From: "xcalibre" To: References: <20041013042613.GA30732@hardison.net> <079e01c4b119$0e6f2400$0f49490a@fifteen> <416D3C3D.4080302@nks.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Proceedings of the Tampa Meeting Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:59:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: 16b8c79b0b06377a9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4dfd552a7c10d720b2513d8231d2b550f0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.22.81.110 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.698, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net It's further up Dale Mabry next to Mon's by the Home Depot Shopping Center. BP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Blenke" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Proceedings of the Tampa Meeting > Dylan Hardison wrote: > > >On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:37:44 -0400, Robert Foxworth > > wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >>>Near the close of the meeting, several members did come together and > >>>suggest the gathering to head to a near by restuarant at which to eat > >>>and converse and generally engage in friendly social interaction. > >>> > >>> > >>Hmm. Pat, Wayne and I were at Denny's telling the waitress that these > >>Linux Geeks may or may not show up. Guess you all did :-) > >> > >> > > > >Somehow Denny's became Benigan's after you guys left. Blame Ian. > > > > > Where is Denny's? I honestly can't picture it.. So, yeah, it's true, > it's all my fault ;) > > We need to arrange the post-meeting get together a bit ahead of time > next month. > > - Ian > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.776 / Virus Database: 523 - Release Date: 10/12/2004 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 12:01:06 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DG15JN014847 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:01:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DG10Uv014842 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:01:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DG0rJN014838 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:00:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DG0qbV030200 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:00:53 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DG0H26005171 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:00:17 -0400 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i9DG0CB7001555 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <080301c4b13d$b8a10be0$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <20041013042613.GA30732@hardison.net> <079e01c4b119$0e6f2400$0f49490a@fifteen> <416D3C3D.4080302@nks.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Proceedings of the Tampa Meeting Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:00:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > >> > >>>Near the close of the meeting, several members did come together and > >>>suggest the gathering to head to a near by restuarant at which to eat > >>>and converse and generally engage in friendly social interaction. > >>> > >>> > >>Hmm. Pat, Wayne and I were at Denny's telling the waitress that these > >>Linux Geeks may or may not show up. Guess you all did :-) > >> > >> > > > >Somehow Denny's became Benigan's after you guys left. Blame Ian. > > > > > Where is Denny's? I honestly can't picture it.. So, yeah, it's true, > it's all my fault ;) > > We need to arrange the post-meeting get together a bit ahead of time > next month. > > - Ian Denny's is about 150 meters south of the Mons Venus, on a corner, on the west side of Dale Mabry. Ian, you seriously need to spend more time hanging around the touristy parts of town [grin] Ahh go ahead and say it ... "Where is the Mons Venus? I honestly can't picture it ....." [again, grin] but in your defense I will say that the Denny's sign is about 40,000 lumens dimmer than that of the Mons, so it definitely does not stand out. - Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 13:03:39 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DH3cJN015291 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:03:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DH3XDO015290 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:03:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DH3VJN015286 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:03:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DH3UbN032657 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:03:31 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-00.ssn.nks.net (icb-mail-00.nks.net [216.134.200.87]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DH32Ht021849 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:03:02 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.144] (hq-fw-01.nks.net [216.134.200.5]) by icb-mail-00.ssn.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DH31Dm007171 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:03:01 -0400 Message-ID: <416D5FC4.40402@nks.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:03:00 -0400 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (Macintosh/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Proceedings of the Tampa Meeting References: <20041013042613.GA30732@hardison.net> <079e01c4b119$0e6f2400$0f49490a@fifteen> <416D3C3D.4080302@nks.net> <080301c4b13d$b8a10be0$0f49490a@fifteen> In-Reply-To: <080301c4b13d$b8a10be0$0f49490a@fifteen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.524, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Robert Foxworth wrote: >Denny's is about 150 meters south of the Mons Venus, on a corner, >on the west side of Dale Mabry. Ian, you seriously need to spend >more time hanging around the touristy parts of town [grin] > >Ahh go ahead and say it ... "Where is the Mons Venus? I honestly can't >picture it ....." [again, grin] but in your defense I will say that >the Denny's sign is >about 40,000 lumens dimmer than that of the Mons, so it definitely does >not stand out. > >- Bob > > When you're driving by Mons and 2001, who is looking for a Denny's? I vaguely remember a Longhorn, Wendies, and Taco Bell. - Ian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 13:16:59 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DHGsJN015382 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:16:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DHGrhN015381 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:16:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DHGqJN015377 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:16:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DHGmbN000715 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:16:52 -0400 Received: from ctrust.com (mail.ctrust.com [207.59.126.35]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DHGT26016647 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:16:29 -0400 Received: from Spooler by ctrust.com (Mercury/32 v4.01a) ID MO003FE5; 13 Oct 2004 13:14:13 -0400 Received: from spooler by ctrust.com (Mercury/32 v4.01a); 13 Oct 2004 13:14:05 -0400 From: To: slug@nks.net Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:13:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Proceedings of the Tampa Meeting Message-ID: <416D2A37.8058.6C09A620@ctrust.com> In-reply-to: <416D5FC4.40402@nks.net> References: <080301c4b13d$b8a10be0$0f49490a@fifteen> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.724, required 6, AWL 0.56, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 13 Oct 2004 at 13:03, Ian Blenke wrote: > Robert Foxworth wrote: > > >Denny's is about 150 meters south of the Mons Venus, on a corner, > >on the west side of Dale Mabry. Ian, you seriously need to spend > >more time hanging around the touristy parts of town [grin] > > > >Ahh go ahead and say it ... "Where is the Mons Venus? I honestly can't > >picture it ....." [again, grin] but in your defense I will say that > >the Denny's sign is > >about 40,000 lumens dimmer than that of the Mons, so it definitely does > >not stand out. > > > >- Bob > > > > > When you're driving by Mons and 2001, who is looking for a Denny's? > > I vaguely remember a Longhorn, Wendies, and Taco Bell. > > - Ian > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. Why don't you just make it easy for everyone, and have the meeting at Mons? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 13:35:21 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DHZGJN015536 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:35:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DHZ5h8015535 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:35:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DHZ4JN015527 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:35:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DHYwbL001430 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:34:59 -0400 Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DHYm26019351 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:34:49 -0400 Received: from user-0c90kpi.cable.mindspring.com ([24.144.83.50] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CHn1U-0001WB-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:34:48 -0700 Message-ID: <416D6702.2040108@elkenserver.net> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:33:54 -0400 From: Joey Dale User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Proceedings of the Tampa Meeting References: <080301c4b13d$b8a10be0$0f49490a@fifteen> <416D2A37.8058.6C09A620@ctrust.com> In-Reply-To: <416D2A37.8058.6C09A620@ctrust.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.419, required 6, AWL -0.23, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Because some of us arnt 18 yet 8^( craig@ctrust.com wrote: > On 13 Oct 2004 at 13:03, Ian Blenke wrote: > > >>Robert Foxworth wrote: >> >> >>>Denny's is about 150 meters south of the Mons Venus, on a corner, >>>on the west side of Dale Mabry. Ian, you seriously need to spend >>>more time hanging around the touristy parts of town [grin] >>> >>>Ahh go ahead and say it ... "Where is the Mons Venus? I honestly can't >>>picture it ....." [again, grin] but in your defense I will say that >>>the Denny's sign is >>>about 40,000 lumens dimmer than that of the Mons, so it definitely does >>>not stand out. >>> >>>- Bob >>> >>> >> >>When you're driving by Mons and 2001, who is looking for a Denny's? >> >>I vaguely remember a Longhorn, Wendies, and Taco Bell. >> >>- Ian >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >>posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >>official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > Why don't you just make it easy for everyone, and > have the meeting at Mons? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 13:41:50 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DHfiJN015596 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:41:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DHfhOP015595 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:41:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DHfbJN015591 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:41:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DHfWbL001685 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:41:32 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DHf3Ht030324 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:41:04 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ADC0FF9BA for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:41:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RAID 1 to RAID5 with raidreconf Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:46:13 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200410121341.42000.mario@alienscience.com> <200410121451.09495.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200410121451.09495.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410131346.13409.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.428, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I was trying to see if anybody here had any success or failure. I realize the success and achievements of people online. I've read some of the original author's posts as well. I'm about to jump on raid.mlist or something. I forget what the newsgroup/list was. I could try what you mentioned, but I'd have to build a RAID5 array with only two empty disks. That's all I have to spare (four disks total). I can move the RAID1 stuff to there and then raidhotadd the third (parity) member. This sounds weird but not impossible. What do you think? /mario On Tuesday 12 October 2004 14:51, steve szmidt wrote: > On Tuesday 12 October 2004 01:41 pm, Mario Lombardo wrote: > > I have a SCSI system that boots from /dev/md0 via initrd. When following > > the raidreconf documentation on shutting /dev/md0: > > > > raidstop /dev/md0 > > > > I lose the ability to run the following: > > > > raidreconf -o oldraidtab -n newraidtab -m /dev/md0 > > > > I've tried to boot with a sysadmin rescue CD with /dev/md0 not running, > > but it says something about "no available level 1 drivers", but > > /proc/mdstat reveals it's aware of the personalities of RAID 1 and RAID > > 5. > > > > How should I approach this? > > > > /mario > > Stop messing with RAID! : ) > > Well joking aside, it might be more reliable and time efficient to just > rebuild it fresh as RAID 5, than reconfiguring. (Obvioulsy you have already > backed up the data.) As the author noted "However: it is very likely that > there are serious bugs that will destroy your data, possibly even on disks > not related directly to the array you are re-configuring." > > Google reveals that a number of people are having problems reconfiguring on > both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. > > So instead of loosing time trying to get that to work you could have it up > and running after a complete rebuild. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 14:04:28 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DI4IJN015758 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:04:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DI4HA9015757 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:04:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DI4BJN015753 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:04:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DI4AbL002591 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:04:11 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DI3u26023952 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:03:58 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CHnTf-0002Gw-Lp for slug@nks.net; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:03:56 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RAID 1 to RAID5 with raidreconf Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:03:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <200410121341.42000.mario@alienscience.com> <200410121451.09495.steve@szmidt.org> <200410131346.13409.mario@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: <200410131346.13409.mario@alienscience.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410131403.50810.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.169, required 6, AWL -0.53, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 13 October 2004 01:46 pm, Mario Lombardo wrote: > I was trying to see if anybody here had any success or failure. I realize > the success and achievements of people online. I've read some of the > original author's posts as well. I'm about to jump on raid.mlist or > something. I forget what the newsgroup/list was. > > I could try what you mentioned, but I'd have to build a RAID5 array with > only two empty disks. That's all I have to spare (four disks total). I > can move the RAID1 stuff to there and then raidhotadd the third (parity) > member. This sounds weird but not impossible. What do you think? I seem to remember that you need three disks to do a raid 5. But it's been a while... My suggestion was to erase them and start clean. Are you saying you don't have any backup, and so you are trying to get around that? If that's the case, I'd do this: Format one drive and use it as backup. Copy all data onto it. Then reformat the remaining three as RAID 5, copy data back from backup. Finally remake backup drive as a hot spare, or whatever you have in mind. > /mario > > On Tuesday 12 October 2004 14:51, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Tuesday 12 October 2004 01:41 pm, Mario Lombardo wrote: > > > I have a SCSI system that boots from /dev/md0 via initrd. When > > > following the raidreconf documentation on shutting /dev/md0: > > > > > > raidstop /dev/md0 > > > > > > I lose the ability to run the following: > > > > > > raidreconf -o oldraidtab -n newraidtab -m /dev/md0 > > > > > > I've tried to boot with a sysadmin rescue CD with /dev/md0 not running, > > > but it says something about "no available level 1 drivers", but > > > /proc/mdstat reveals it's aware of the personalities of RAID 1 and RAID > > > 5. > > > > > > How should I approach this? > > > > > > /mario > > > > Stop messing with RAID! : ) > > > > Well joking aside, it might be more reliable and time efficient to just > > rebuild it fresh as RAID 5, than reconfiguring. (Obvioulsy you have > > already backed up the data.) As the author noted "However: it is very > > likely that there are serious bugs that will destroy your data, possibly > > even on disks not related directly to the array you are re-configuring." > > > > Google reveals that a number of people are having problems reconfiguring > > on both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels. > > > > So instead of loosing time trying to get that to work you could have it > > up and running after a complete rebuild. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 14:10:04 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DIA3JN015815 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:10:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DIA22U015792 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:10:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DI9oJN015788 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:09:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DI9fbN002756 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:09:45 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DI9N26024599 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:09:27 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=[192.168.2.103]) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CHnYp-0003Or-TD for slug@nks.net; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:09:16 -0700 Message-ID: <416D70F2.4040203@apotheon.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:16:18 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040918) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RAID 1 to RAID5 with raidreconf References: <200410121341.42000.mario@alienscience.com> <200410121451.09495.steve@szmidt.org> <200410131346.13409.mario@alienscience.com> <200410131403.50810.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200410131403.50810.steve@szmidt.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.9, required 6, AWL 0.26, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: > On Wednesday 13 October 2004 01:46 pm, Mario Lombardo wrote: > >>I was trying to see if anybody here had any success or failure. I realize >>the success and achievements of people online. I've read some of the >>original author's posts as well. I'm about to jump on raid.mlist or >>something. I forget what the newsgroup/list was. >> >>I could try what you mentioned, but I'd have to build a RAID5 array with >>only two empty disks. That's all I have to spare (four disks total). I >>can move the RAID1 stuff to there and then raidhotadd the third (parity) >>member. This sounds weird but not impossible. What do you think? > > > I seem to remember that you need three disks to do a raid 5. But it's been a > while... > > My suggestion was to erase them and start clean. Are you saying you don't have > any backup, and so you are trying to get around that? > > If that's the case, I'd do this: > > Format one drive and use it as backup. Copy all data onto it. > Then reformat the remaining three as RAID 5, copy data back from backup. > Finally remake backup drive as a hot spare, or whatever you have in mind. > I think he was saying he only has three drives. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 14:17:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DIHGJN015860 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:17:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DIHGjs015859 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:17:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DIHFJN015855 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:17:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DIHEbN003098 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:17:14 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DIGxHt005921 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:17:00 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so378421rnk for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.162.14 with SMTP id k14mr2554343rne; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.39.1.60 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <22e1856d041013111618c31fdd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:16:58 -0400 From: Tyler Vann-Campbell To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Proceedings of the Tampa Meeting In-Reply-To: <416D2A37.8058.6C09A620@ctrust.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <080301c4b13d$b8a10be0$0f49490a@fifteen> <416D5FC4.40402@nks.net> <416D2A37.8058.6C09A620@ctrust.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:13:42 -0400, craig@ctrust.com wrote: > On 13 Oct 2004 at 13:03, Ian Blenke wrote: > > > Robert Foxworth wrote: > > > > >Denny's is about 150 meters south of the Mons Venus, on a corner, > > >on the west side of Dale Mabry. Ian, you seriously need to spend > > >more time hanging around the touristy parts of town [grin] > > > > > >Ahh go ahead and say it ... "Where is the Mons Venus? I honestly can't > > >picture it ....." [again, grin] but in your defense I will say that > > >the Denny's sign is > > >about 40,000 lumens dimmer than that of the Mons, so it definitely does > > >not stand out. > > > > > >- Bob > > > > > > > > When you're driving by Mons and 2001, who is looking for a Denny's? > > > > I vaguely remember a Longhorn, Wendies, and Taco Bell. > > > > - Ian > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > Why don't you just make it easy for everyone, and > have the meeting at Mons? > > That seems easy enough, as long as there's never an post-meeting at a place called Longhorn :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 14:29:23 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DITNJN015970 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:29:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DITCEF015969 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:29:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DIT6JN015965 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:29:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DIT5bN003546 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:29:05 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DISjHt008349 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:28:45 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CHnrh-0001vP-Ao for slug@nks.net; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:28:45 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RAID 1 to RAID5 with raidreconf Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:28:41 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <200410121341.42000.mario@alienscience.com> <200410131403.50810.steve@szmidt.org> <416D70F2.4040203@apotheon.com> In-Reply-To: <416D70F2.4040203@apotheon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410131428.41616.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.699, required 6, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 13 October 2004 02:16 pm, Chad Perrin wrote: > steve szmidt wrote: > > On Wednesday 13 October 2004 01:46 pm, Mario Lombardo wrote: > >>I was trying to see if anybody here had any success or failure. I > >> realize the success and achievements of people online. I've read some > >> of the original author's posts as well. I'm about to jump on raid.mlist > >> or something. I forget what the newsgroup/list was. > >> > >>I could try what you mentioned, but I'd have to build a RAID5 array with > >>only two empty disks. That's all I have to spare (four disks total). I > >>can move the RAID1 stuff to there and then raidhotadd the third (parity) > >>member. This sounds weird but not impossible. What do you think? > > > > I seem to remember that you need three disks to do a raid 5. But it's > > been a while... > > > > My suggestion was to erase them and start clean. Are you saying you don't > > have any backup, and so you are trying to get around that? > > > > If that's the case, I'd do this: > > > > Format one drive and use it as backup. Copy all data onto it. > > Then reformat the remaining three as RAID 5, copy data back from backup. > > Finally remake backup drive as a hot spare, or whatever you have in mind. > > I think he was saying he only has three drives. He says "(four disks total)" -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 14:34:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DIYCJN016022 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:34:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DIYCrx016021 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:34:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DIYBJN016017 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:34:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DIY5bL003767 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:34:05 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DIXuHt009510 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:33:56 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=[192.168.2.103]) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CHnwc-0006P3-G6 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:33:50 -0700 Message-ID: <416D76B2.3070901@apotheon.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:40:50 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040918) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RAID 1 to RAID5 with raidreconf References: <200410121341.42000.mario@alienscience.com> <200410131403.50810.steve@szmidt.org> <416D70F2.4040203@apotheon.com> <200410131428.41616.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200410131428.41616.steve@szmidt.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.258, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: >>I think he was saying he only has three drives. > > > He says "(four disks total)" > Ah. Whoops. Pardonez-moi. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 15:02:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DJ2EJN016221 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:02:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DJ2Eij016220 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:02:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DJ28JN016216 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:02:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DJ27bL004803 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:02:07 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DJ1YHt015419 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:01:34 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E053FFA16 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:01:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RAID 1 to RAID5 with raidreconf Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:06:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200410121341.42000.mario@alienscience.com> <200410131428.41616.steve@szmidt.org> <416D76B2.3070901@apotheon.com> In-Reply-To: <416D76B2.3070901@apotheon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410131506.54768.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Currently, there are three disks being used in a RAID1 configuration. That is, two for mirroring and one for a hot spare. I have purchased a fourth disk for the purpose of running a RAID5 with a hotspare. Alas, I've run into some issues with raidreconf not liking, I guess, the fact that I only have one array for both boot and root (/dev/md0). I like your idea, Steve. I do have a full backup, but I've never tested its disaster recovery capabilities, so I'm a bit nervous. However, I would have a full backup on the live disk, so that makes it more appealing. /mario On Wednesday 13 October 2004 14:40, Chad Perrin wrote: > steve szmidt wrote: > >>I think he was saying he only has three drives. > > > > He says "(four disks total)" > > Ah. Whoops. Pardonez-moi. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 15:30:24 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DJUOJN016444 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:30:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DJUNaA016443 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:30:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DJUBJN016437 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:30:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DJU6bL005840 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:30:06 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DJTt26003562 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:29:55 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CHoot-0001JA-Gd for slug@nks.net; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:29:55 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RAID 1 to RAID5 with raidreconf Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:29:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <200410121341.42000.mario@alienscience.com> <416D76B2.3070901@apotheon.com> <200410131506.54768.mario@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: <200410131506.54768.mario@alienscience.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410131529.51682.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.179, required 6, AWL -0.52, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 13 October 2004 03:06 pm, Mario Lombardo wrote: > Currently, there are three disks being used in a RAID1 configuration. That > is, two for mirroring and one for a hot spare. I have purchased a fourth > disk for the purpose of running a RAID5 with a hotspare. Alas, I've run > into some issues with raidreconf not liking, I guess, the fact that I only > have one array for both boot and root (/dev/md0). > > I like your idea, Steve. I do have a full backup, but I've never tested > its disaster recovery capabilities, so I'm a bit nervous. However, I would > have a full backup on the live disk, so that makes it more appealing. Just remember to have a non RAID drive as the backup! > /mario > > On Wednesday 13 October 2004 14:40, Chad Perrin wrote: > > steve szmidt wrote: > > >>I think he was saying he only has three drives. > > > > > > He says "(four disks total)" > > > > Ah. Whoops. Pardonez-moi. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 16:03:00 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DK2sJN016661 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:03:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DK2sSq016660 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:02:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DK2qJN016656 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:02:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DK2qbN007101 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:02:52 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DK2bHt028789 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:02:38 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2A3FFA83 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:02:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RAID 1 to RAID5 with raidreconf Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:07:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200410121341.42000.mario@alienscience.com> <200410131506.54768.mario@alienscience.com> <200410131529.51682.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200410131529.51682.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410131607.50389.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.428, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 13 October 2004 15:29, steve szmidt wrote: > On Wednesday 13 October 2004 03:06 pm, Mario Lombardo wrote: > > Currently, there are three disks being used in a RAID1 configuration. > > That is, two for mirroring and one for a hot spare. I have purchased a > > fourth disk for the purpose of running a RAID5 with a hotspare. Alas, > > I've run into some issues with raidreconf not liking, I guess, the fact > > that I only have one array for both boot and root (/dev/md0). > > > > I like your idea, Steve. I do have a full backup, but I've never tested > > its disaster recovery capabilities, so I'm a bit nervous. However, I > > would have a full backup on the live disk, so that makes it more > > appealing. > > Just remember to have a non RAID drive as the backup! I thought it was an fdisk'd 0xfd (RAID autodetect) drive as a backup, and the md driver handles the relaying of the filesystem (ext3 or otherwise)? It's supposed to be a bare disk? /mario > > > /mario > > > > On Wednesday 13 October 2004 14:40, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > steve szmidt wrote: > > > >>I think he was saying he only has three drives. > > > > > > > > He says "(four disks total)" > > > > > > Ah. Whoops. Pardonez-moi. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 16:53:48 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DKrhJN017018 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:53:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DKrbqU017017 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:53:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DKraJN017013 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:53:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DKrZbL009042 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:53:35 -0400 Received: from scruffy.austintheen.com (pcp840385pcs.venice01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.177.129]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DKrQHt006891 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:53:27 -0400 Received: from bender.austintheen.com (bender.austintheen.com [192.168.1.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by scruffy.austintheen.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432201B207C for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] mass renaming? From: Austin Theen To: Slug Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-+GyLtVtrEu6VWU65QFOp" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:49:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-+GyLtVtrEu6VWU65QFOp Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I need a quick bash / prel script to rename incomming faxes to a larger range. for instance. > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 28049 Sep 13 11:43 fax01267.tif > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 31057 Sep 13 16:28 fax01268.tif > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 456457 Sep 13 18:08 fax01269.tif needs to be renamed (without changing the numbers) to this format > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 228605 Sep 20 15:19 fax000001274.tif > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 86629 Sep 21 08:32 fax000001275.tif > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 47145 Sep 21 09:15 fax000001276.tif > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 61035 Sep 21 10:19 fax000001277.tif ^^^^ So essentially, I need to add '0000' after fax*.tif. Anyone crafty enough to come up with a quick solution? Austin --=20 Austin Theen, Freelance Network Engineer High Gear Solutions Linux | Windows | Mac OS/X | Networks | Internet | Databases=20 Office (941) 492-6111 368 Briarwood Road, Venice, FL 34293 --=-+GyLtVtrEu6VWU65QFOp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBbZTkx7SC1o6xitYRAsgYAJ917sZHF8Enn1bFOB5Kn7tmDvsIYQCgkmGD cOqxtNlMQyYBpJyQgxD+Uow= =9Bin -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-+GyLtVtrEu6VWU65QFOp-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 17:34:31 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DLYPJN017342 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:34:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DLYFV8017341 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:34:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DLY3JN017333 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:34:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DLXwbL010550 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:33:58 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DLXmHt015542 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:33:48 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9DLXkNv006073 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:33:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: Slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] mass renaming? In-Reply-To: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: I need a quick bash / prel script to rename incomming faxes to a larger > range. > > for instance. > > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 28049 Sep 13 11:43 fax01267.tif > > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 31057 Sep 13 16:28 fax01268.tif > > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 456457 Sep 13 18:08 fax01269.tif > > needs to be renamed (without changing the numbers) to this format > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 228605 Sep 20 15:19 fax000001274.tif > > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 86629 Sep 21 08:32 fax000001275.tif > > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 47145 Sep 21 09:15 fax000001276.tif > > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 61035 Sep 21 10:19 fax000001277.tif > ^^^^ > So essentially, I need to add '0000' after fax*.tif. > > Anyone crafty enough to come up with a quick solution? rename x x0000 fax?????.tif from --^ ^-to^ ^-victims--^ Try it on one file first in case this is wrong. I suppose you could do a 'for' loop over all files, and have a 'sed' inside, but this is much easier and faster. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar "God does not play dice" -- Einstein "Not only does God play dice, he sometimes throws them where they can't be seen." -- Stephen Hawking ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 17:44:07 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DLi2JN017419 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:44:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DLi1F2017414 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:44:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DLi0JN017410 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:44:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DLhsbP010926 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:43:54 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DLhe26023216 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:43:40 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CHquJ-0001EJ-Ve for slug@nks.net; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:43:40 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RAID 1 to RAID5 with raidreconf Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:43:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <200410121341.42000.mario@alienscience.com> <200410131529.51682.steve@szmidt.org> <200410131607.50389.mario@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: <200410131607.50389.mario@alienscience.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410131743.35790.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.174, required 6, AWL -0.53, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 13 October 2004 04:07 pm, Mario Lombardo wrote: > On Wednesday 13 October 2004 15:29, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Wednesday 13 October 2004 03:06 pm, Mario Lombardo wrote: > > > Currently, there are three disks being used in a RAID1 configuration. > > > That is, two for mirroring and one for a hot spare. I have purchased a > > > fourth disk for the purpose of running a RAID5 with a hotspare. Alas, > > > I've run into some issues with raidreconf not liking, I guess, the fact > > > that I only have one array for both boot and root (/dev/md0). > > > > > > I like your idea, Steve. I do have a full backup, but I've never > > > tested its disaster recovery capabilities, so I'm a bit nervous. > > > However, I would have a full backup on the live disk, so that makes it > > > more appealing. > > > > Just remember to have a non RAID drive as the backup! > > I thought it was an fdisk'd 0xfd (RAID autodetect) drive as a backup, and > the md driver handles the relaying of the filesystem (ext3 or otherwise)? > It's supposed to be a bare disk? The thing to remember is that your RAID 1 drive may not be accessable when you got the RAID 5 system running. To make sure you don't have a problem later, make it a plain ext3 drive. Then mount it to something like /opt/backup. > /mario > > > > /mario > > > > > > On Wednesday 13 October 2004 14:40, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > steve szmidt wrote: > > > > >>I think he was saying he only has three drives. > > > > > > > > > > He says "(four disks total)" > > > > > > > > Ah. Whoops. Pardonez-moi. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >-- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > > > > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in > > > > messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily > > > > reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its > > > > employees. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 18:11:39 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DMBXJN017616 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:11:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DMBXkX017615 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:11:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DMBQJN017611 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:11:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DMBQbL011959 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:11:26 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DMB826027487 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:11:09 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CHrKv-0002S6-7c for slug@nks.net; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:11:09 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] mass renaming? Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:11:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410131811.04899.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.171, required 6, AWL -0.53, BAYES_50 0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 13 October 2004 04:49 pm, Austin Theen wrote: > I need a quick bash / prel script to rename incomming faxes to a larger > range. > > for instance. > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 28049 Sep 13 11:43 fax01267.tif > > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 31057 Sep 13 16:28 fax01268.tif > > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 456457 Sep 13 18:08 fax01269.tif > > needs to be renamed (without changing the numbers) to this format > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 228605 Sep 20 15:19 fax000001274.tif > > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 86629 Sep 21 08:32 fax000001275.tif > > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 47145 Sep 21 09:15 fax000001276.tif > > -rw-r--r-- 1 uucp uucp 61035 Sep 21 10:19 fax000001277.tif > > ^^^^ > So essentially, I need to add '0000' after fax*.tif. > > Anyone crafty enough to come up with a quick solution? > > Austin If you are FAX spamming, bare in mind that FAX spamming is a federal offense. You need to have done business within six months, or have their agreement. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 19:17:58 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DNHvJN018075 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:17:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DNHvA7018074 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:17:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DNHtJN018070 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:17:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DNHtbL014566 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:17:55 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DNHnHt006259 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:17:50 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 76so472727rnl for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.74.32 with SMTP id w32mr3174139rna; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.15.19 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b361d3904101316177f932981@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:17:49 -0400 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] mass renaming? In-Reply-To: <200410131811.04899.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> <200410131811.04899.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net "rename incomming faxes to a larger range." im guessing hes talking about his own incoming faxes... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 19:22:58 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DNMwJN018128 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:22:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DNMl5A018127 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:22:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DNMfJN018123 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:22:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DNMZbL014777 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:22:35 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DNMNHt007387 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:22:23 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7B0FF9D9 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:22:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RAID 1 to RAID5 with raidreconf Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:27:30 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200410121341.42000.mario@alienscience.com> <200410131607.50389.mario@alienscience.com> <200410131743.35790.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200410131743.35790.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410131927.31286.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.524, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 13 October 2004 17:43, steve szmidt wrote: > On Wednesday 13 October 2004 04:07 pm, Mario Lombardo wrote: > > On Wednesday 13 October 2004 15:29, steve szmidt wrote: > > > On Wednesday 13 October 2004 03:06 pm, Mario Lombardo wrote: > > > > Currently, there are three disks being used in a RAID1 configuration. > > > > That is, two for mirroring and one for a hot spare. I have purchased > > > > a fourth disk for the purpose of running a RAID5 with a hotspare. > > > > Alas, I've run into some issues with raidreconf not liking, I guess, > > > > the fact that I only have one array for both boot and root > > > > (/dev/md0). > > > > > > > > I like your idea, Steve. I do have a full backup, but I've never > > > > tested its disaster recovery capabilities, so I'm a bit nervous. > > > > However, I would have a full backup on the live disk, so that makes > > > > it more appealing. > > > > > > Just remember to have a non RAID drive as the backup! > > > > I thought it was an fdisk'd 0xfd (RAID autodetect) drive as a backup, and > > the md driver handles the relaying of the filesystem (ext3 or otherwise)? > > It's supposed to be a bare disk? > > The thing to remember is that your RAID 1 drive may not be accessable when > you got the RAID 5 system running. > > To make sure you don't have a problem later, make it a plain ext3 drive. > Then mount it to something like /opt/backup. > To make it a "plain ext3 drive," you mean make it an fdisk type 0x83 partition? I've changed partition types on the fly with no problems except I had to reboot. /mario > > /mario > > > > > > /mario > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 13 October 2004 14:40, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > > steve szmidt wrote: > > > > > >>I think he was saying he only has three drives. > > > > > > > > > > > > He says "(four disks total)" > > > > > > > > > > Ah. Whoops. Pardonez-moi. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >-- -- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > > > > > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in > > > > > messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily > > > > > reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its > > > > > employees. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >-- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > > > > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 19:50:40 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DNoYJN018345 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:50:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DNoTou018344 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:50:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DNoSJN018340 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:50:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DNoHbL015827 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:50:17 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DNnvHt012975 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:50:02 -0400 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i9DNnllM009150 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <088d01c4b17f$52950f80$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> <200410131811.04899.steve@szmidt.org> Subject: Re: [SLUG] mass renaming? Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:49:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > On Wednesday 13 October 2004 04:49 pm, Austin Theen wrote: > > I need a quick bash / prel script to rename incomming faxes to a larger > > range. > If you are FAX spamming, bare in mind that FAX spamming is a federal offense. Is it spamming when the faxes are incoming? This sounds like an archiving issue to me. - Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 19:56:56 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DNutJN018387 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:56:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DNutlX018386 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:56:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DNumJN018382 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:56:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DNulbL016078 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:56:47 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DNuUHt014428 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:56:30 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so40180rnk for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.30 with SMTP id h30mr1081828rng; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.19 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310410131656759f01b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:56:29 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] mass renaming? In-Reply-To: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.904, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net #!/bin/sh # Usage: ./thisscript.sh fax1 fax2 fax3 ... # Renames fax.* to fax0000.* # for i in "$@" do NEWNAME=`echo "$i" | sed 's/fax/fax0000/'` echo "Renaming $i to ${NEWNAME}" mv -i "$i" "${NEWNAME}" done ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 19:59:46 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DNxjJN018412 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:59:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9DNxeAi018411 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:59:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9DNxdJN018407 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:59:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DNxXbL016165 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:59:33 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9DNxP26010684 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:59:25 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CHt1h-0003Ub-UY for slug@nks.net; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:59:26 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RAID 1 to RAID5 with raidreconf Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:59:21 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <200410121341.42000.mario@alienscience.com> <200410131743.35790.steve@szmidt.org> <200410131927.31286.mario@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: <200410131927.31286.mario@alienscience.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410131959.21658.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.116, required 6, AWL -0.58, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 13 October 2004 07:27 pm, Mario Lombardo wrote: > To make it a "plain ext3 drive," you mean make it an fdisk type 0x83 > partition? I've changed partition types on the fly with no problems except > I had to reboot. Use fdisk to remove all partitions, then make one new for the whole drive. To format it type: mke2fs.ext3 /dev/hdd1 or whatever the first partition on that drive is. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 22:11:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9E2B9JN019349 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:11:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9E2B9DW019348 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:11:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9E2B2JN019340 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:11:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9E2AubN021053 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:10:57 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9E2AaHt010320 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:10:37 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CHv4f-0007Tk-LY for slug@nks.net; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:10:37 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] mass renaming? Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:10:33 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> <200410131811.04899.steve@szmidt.org> <088d01c4b17f$52950f80$0f49490a@fifteen> In-Reply-To: <088d01c4b17f$52950f80$0f49490a@fifteen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410132210.33242.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.699, required 6, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 13 October 2004 07:49 pm, Robert Foxworth wrote: > > On Wednesday 13 October 2004 04:49 pm, Austin Theen wrote: > > > I need a quick bash / prel script to rename incomming faxes to a > > larger > > > > range. > > > > If you are FAX spamming, bare in mind that FAX spamming is a federal > > offense. > > > > Is it spamming when the faxes are incoming? This sounds > like an archiving issue to me. > > - Bob Did you not know that's how some try to sneak around spamming laws. They spam themselves! : ) Oh, I don't know. Though I'd give the guy a heads up if he was. I've seen plenty of people unaware of the law. So I try to offer a hand rather than laughing after they get caught. If he's not, no skin off my ferrets nose. : ) (I use his nose to type with.) -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 13 22:23:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9E2NeJN019435 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:23:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9E2NdPV019434 for slug-track29; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:23:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9E2NcJN019429 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:23:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9E2NRbL021505 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:23:27 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9E2N9Ht012721 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:23:13 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so51324rnk for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.163.78 with SMTP id l78mr3255238rne; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.19 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310410131923971ae30@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:23:09 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] mass renaming? In-Reply-To: <200410132210.33242.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> <200410131811.04899.steve@szmidt.org> <088d01c4b17f$52950f80$0f49490a@fifteen> <200410132210.33242.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > (I use his nose to type with.) Doesn't /that/ take the skin off? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 14 09:04:55 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ED4sJN023932 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:04:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9ED4sxr023931 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:04:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ED4qJN023927 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:04:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ED4pbL015725 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:04:52 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ED4THt022952 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:04:33 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.6] (222-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.222]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF5514077F5 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <416E7961.9090406@myraandpete.net> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:04:33 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] DOOM 3 Benchmarks @ LinuxHardware.org References: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> <200410131811.04899.steve@szmidt.org> <088d01c4b17f$52950f80$0f49490a@fifteen> <200410132210.33242.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310410131923971ae30@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310410131923971ae30@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.574, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.00, FU_WITH_ID 0.23, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/12/1725246&mode=thread ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 14 09:49:37 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9EDnbJN024243 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:49:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9EDnaos024242 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:49:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9EDnZJN024238 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:49:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9EDnYbL017456 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:49:34 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9EDnTHt000042 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:49:29 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so1270169rnl for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.82.45 with SMTP id f45mr3462469rnb; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.19 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e3104101406496900df71@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:49:28 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DOOM 3 Benchmarks @ LinuxHardware.org In-Reply-To: <416E7961.9090406@myraandpete.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> <200410131811.04899.steve@szmidt.org> <088d01c4b17f$52950f80$0f49490a@fifteen> <200410132210.33242.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310410131923971ae30@mail.gmail.com> <416E7961.9090406@myraandpete.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.904, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yeah, we'd discovered as much already. However, as long as your system will keep you at/above 15fps when the action is going, you're fine. A difference between 80 and 100 fps, or even 50 and 100 fps, is really pretty academic. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 14 11:33:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9EFX5JN024952 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:33:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9EFWxF3024951 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:32:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9EFWrJN024947 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:32:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9EFWqbL021853 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:32:52 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9EFWdHt024271 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:32:40 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CI7al-0008B9-22 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:32:35 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DOOM 3 Benchmarks @ LinuxHardware.org Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:32:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> <1a3a3e310410131923971ae30@mail.gmail.com> <416E7961.9090406@myraandpete.net> In-Reply-To: <416E7961.9090406@myraandpete.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410141132.31393.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.971, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_WITH_ID 0.23, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 14 October 2004 09:04 am, Pete S. wrote: > http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/12/1725246&mode=thread Hi Pete, It looks like your mail client does not support threads. When you press reply as a means of starting a new thread you actually end up inserting your new thread in the middle of another thread, making that hard to follow. Replacing the subject line does not affect thread aware s/w, as it get's the thread information from the email header. (A common misconception.) The correct way to start a new thread is to right click on the slug address and select New message. Reply will always mess up someone elses thread. Sorry. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 14 11:33:25 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9EFXJJN024963 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:33:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9EFXEsh024962 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:33:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9EFXCJN024958 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:33:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9EFXCbL021867 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:33:12 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9EFX6Ht024346 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:33:06 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CI7bF-0007P0-F3 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:33:05 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] mass renaming? Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:33:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> <200410132210.33242.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310410131923971ae30@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310410131923971ae30@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410141133.02448.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 13 October 2004 10:23 pm, Levi Bard wrote: > > (I use his nose to type with.) > > Doesn't /that/ take the skin off? I type gently ... -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 14 11:50:14 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9EFo9JN025104 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:50:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9EFo8YJ025103 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:50:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9EFo7JN025099 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:50:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9EFo6bL022612 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:50:06 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-00.ssn.nks.net (icb-mail-00.nks.net [216.134.200.87]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9EFnw26025469 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:49:58 -0400 Received: from [172.17.225.104] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-00.ssn.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9EFnqDm016689 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:49:57 -0400 Message-ID: <416EA021.1030502@nks.net> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:49:53 -0400 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (Macintosh/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RAID 1 to RAID5 with raidreconf References: <200410121341.42000.mario@alienscience.com> <200410131607.50389.mario@alienscience.com> <200410131743.35790.steve@szmidt.org> <200410131927.31286.mario@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: <200410131927.31286.mario@alienscience.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.238, required 6, AWL 1.02, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mario Lombardo wrote: >On Wednesday 13 October 2004 17:43, steve szmidt wrote: > > >>On Wednesday 13 October 2004 04:07 pm, Mario Lombardo wrote: >> >> >>>I thought it was an fdisk'd 0xfd (RAID autodetect) drive as a backup, and >>>the md driver handles the relaying of the filesystem (ext3 or otherwise)? >>>It's supposed to be a bare disk? >>> >>> >>The thing to remember is that your RAID 1 drive may not be accessable when >>you got the RAID 5 system running. >> >>To make sure you don't have a problem later, make it a plain ext3 drive. >>Then mount it to something like /opt/backup. >> >> >> > >To make it a "plain ext3 drive," you mean make it an fdisk type 0x83 >partition? I've changed partition types on the fly with no problems except I >had to reboot. > > Setting the partition type to 0xfd is really for auto-raid detection. The kernel will look for 0xfd partitions, and attempt to start metadevices based on a fingerprint scan of the partition (for the RAID magic). If you change it to 0x83, you can still specify a raid array by passing the correct "md=" to the kernel (via "append=" in lilo, or similarly in grub, et al). For example, the following would tell the kernel to try and create a /dev/md0 as a raid0 array implicitly using the two physical partitions /dev/hda2 and /dev/hdc2: linux md=1,/dev/hda2,/dev/hdc2 I use this trick all the time when mucking around with building new systems. Usually, 0xfd partitions are used for any mirrored root filesystem, while the remaining RAID partitions are typically left as 0x83 and brought up by a raidtools2 raidstart or appropriate mdadm magic in your system init scripts. As for rebooting: if you resize any partitions with fdisk, you will generally want to reboot to let the kernel re-read the partition table before trying to use any /dev/ devices representing that partition. Changing the partition type shouldn't "need" a reboot, as it really only affects the boot process. - Ian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 14 12:00:03 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9EFxvJN025157 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:00:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9EFxuBo025156 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:59:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9EFxtJN025152 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:59:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9EFxsbN023061 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:59:54 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9EFxo26027059 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:59:50 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.6] (222-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.222]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2264814077EB for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <416EA27B.20503@myraandpete.net> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:59:55 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DOOM 3 Benchmarks @ LinuxHardware.org References: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> <1a3a3e310410131923971ae30@mail.gmail.com> <416E7961.9090406@myraandpete.net> <200410141132.31393.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200410141132.31393.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.033, required 6, AWL 1.94, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_WITH_ID 0.23, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: >On Thursday 14 October 2004 09:04 am, Pete S. wrote: > > >>http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/12/1725246&mode=thread >> >> > >Hi Pete, > >It looks like your mail client does not support threads. > >When you press reply as a means of starting a new thread you actually end up >inserting your new thread in the middle of another thread, making that hard >to follow. > >Replacing the subject line does not affect thread aware s/w, as it get's the >thread information from the email header. (A common misconception.) > >The correct way to start a new thread is to right click on the slug address >and select New message. Reply will always mess up someone elses thread. >Sorry. > > > Hey Steve, Sorry if I have created some confusion... I am using Thunderbird 0.7.3. I will do as you suggest. Interestingly, I do not see the thread (as you have stated) and will research the help in Thunderbird. Thanks, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 14 12:01:57 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9EG1qJN025191 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:01:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9EG1kMt025190 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:01:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9EG1ZJN025186 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:01:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9EG1YbN023180 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:01:35 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9EG11Ht031267 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:01:01 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.6] (222-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.222]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8267B881BC3 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <416EA2C4.3040800@myraandpete.net> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:01:08 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DOOM 3 Benchmarks @ LinuxHardware.org References: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> <200410131811.04899.steve@szmidt.org> <088d01c4b17f$52950f80$0f49490a@fifteen> <200410132210.33242.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310410131923971ae30@mail.gmail.com> <416E7961.9090406@myraandpete.net> <1a3a3e3104101406496900df71@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e3104101406496900df71@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.555, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: >Yeah, we'd discovered as much already. However, as long as your >system will keep you at/above 15fps when the action is going, you're >fine. A difference between 80 and 100 fps, or even 50 and 100 fps, is >really pretty academic. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > Agreed... good to see some of the more mainstream games hitting the Linux desktop. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 14 12:45:26 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9EGjKJN025504 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:45:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9EGjK9s025503 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:45:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9EGjJJN025499 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:45:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9EGjHbV025033 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:45:18 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9EGj326001614 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:45:03 -0400 Received: from user-12hckbe.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.81.110] helo=blackgold) by asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CI8it-0002UB-AO for slug@nks.net; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:45:03 -0700 Message-ID: <008d01c4b20d$871907a0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> From: "xcalibre" To: References: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> <200410131811.04899.steve@szmidt.org> <088d01c4b17f$52950f80$0f49490a@fifteen> <200410132210.33242.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310410131923971ae30@mail.gmail.com> <416E7961.9090406@myraandpete.net> <1a3a3e3104101406496900df71@mail.gmail.com> <416EA2C4.3040800@myraandpete.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] DOOM 3 Benchmarks @ LinuxHardware.org Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:47:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: 16b8c79b0b06377a9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4dac572fffeb01793306250aab181baddf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.22.81.110 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.051, required 6, AWL 1.15, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Not to mention you also got The Free America's Army, Enemy Terrority and then Comercial Unreal Tournament 2004. All which have very nice graphics. Bill P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete S." To: Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] DOOM 3 Benchmarks @ LinuxHardware.org > Levi Bard wrote: > > >Yeah, we'd discovered as much already. However, as long as your > >system will keep you at/above 15fps when the action is going, you're > >fine. A difference between 80 and 100 fps, or even 50 and 100 fps, is > >really pretty academic. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > >Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 14 18:56:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9EMu4JN027998 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:56:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9EMu463027997 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:56:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9EMu3JN027993 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:56:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9EMu2bP009634 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:56:02 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9EMtZHt003991 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:55:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 29451 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2004 22:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.16.56.69) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2004 22:55:34 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AFDCF125325; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:54:57 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DOOM 3 Benchmarks @ LinuxHardware.org Message-ID: <20041014225457.GG2705@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> <200410131811.04899.steve@szmidt.org> <088d01c4b17f$52950f80$0f49490a@fifteen> <200410132210.33242.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310410131923971ae30@mail.gmail.com> <416E7961.9090406@myraandpete.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <416E7961.9090406@myraandpete.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.971, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_WITH_ID 0.23, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 09:04:33AM -0400, Pete S. wrote: > http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/12/1725246&mode=thread I don't recall from the article, but it seems to me that QIII had to have a 3D video card, which I don't have. Is that true? Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 14 20:01:39 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9F01XJN028448 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:01:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9F01Srt028447 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:01:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9F01GJN028443 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:01:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9F01FbP012638 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:01:16 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9F01926012225 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:01:09 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9F017Nu026384 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410150001.i9F017Nu026384@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] DOOM 3 Benchmarks @ LinuxHardware.org Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:59:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <416E7961.9090406@myraandpete.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcSx8gD93K/vbVj0Rqqr7jAAMRhJKwAV486g X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.504, required 6, AWL 2.17, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_WITH_ID 0.23, SARE_OEM_BRC 1.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net So, assuming I want to run medium quality at 1024x768, I can use a $180 video card and free OS, or a $99 card with a $300 to $100 (oem) OS. Hmmm.... Sounds like a tie... Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Pete S. Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:05 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] DOOM 3 Benchmarks @ LinuxHardware.org http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/12/1725246&mode=thread ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 14 21:14:18 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9F1ECJN028929 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:14:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9F1ECTx028928 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:14:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9F1DuJN028920 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:14:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9F1DobP016232 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:13:50 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9F1Dl26024046 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:13:47 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9F1DjlN027607 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:13:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] DOOM 3 Benchmarks @ LinuxHardware.org In-Reply-To: <200410150001.i9F017Nu026384@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: So, assuming I want to run medium quality at 1024x768, I can use a $180 > video card and free OS, or a $99 card with a $300 to $100 (oem) OS. Hmmm.... > Sounds like a tie... $180 + $0 < $99 + $100 in my experience -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar PISCES: Try to avoid any Virgos or Leos with the Ebola virus. You are the Lord of the Dance, no matter what those idiots at work say. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 14 21:50:06 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9F1o6JN029200 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:50:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9F1o5PC029199 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:50:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9F1o4JN029192 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:50:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9F1o3bT017887 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:50:03 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9F1no26029904 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:49:51 -0400 DomainKeys-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=RPSHefr88u+2x/uDA94uMEr7k35IAmjdssMwqaX54PFhUz960ZLffgySNu/37tdeFM3NDeEDzUHsvXMAPibTwp8lCegGDaQgtuCXOOtJJWXNq73Wf0HfsrlRG8UHtaIDUsQJluswgY+JWm9irXt0XLS4zaTebqNGnAnCp2GvhGs Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so8rnk for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.22.51 with SMTP id 51mr5489rnv; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.71.31 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:49:50 -0400 From: Knowles Burrell To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DOOM 3 Benchmarks @ LinuxHardware.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410150001.i9F017Nu026384@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.506, required 6, AWL 2.39, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > $180 + $0 < $99 + $100 in my experience Well that looks like backwards math to me ;) I showed some of the screenshots from the article to some friends at work (that are ONLY window users) and they all picked the linux screenshots as being the best image quality. The frame rate differences looked large but really dont make that big of a difference when they are that high in the first place. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 14 22:06:37 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9F26aJN029303 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:06:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9F26ZjU029302 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:06:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9F26OJN029297 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:06:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9F26NbN018644 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:06:24 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (rrcs-67-78-17-122.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.122]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9F25s26000260 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:06:14 -0400 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id 8D8CF20704E; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.252] (unknown [192.168.1.252]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79AED207032 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <416F3077.30804@sigtom.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:05:43 -0400 From: "Tom E. Craddock, Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040927 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DOOM 3 Benchmarks @ LinuxHardware.org References: <200410150001.i9F017Nu026384@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham version=3.0.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.631, required 6, AWL 2.27, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Knowles Burrell wrote: >>$180 + $0 < $99 + $100 in my experience >> >> > >Well that looks like backwards math to me ;) > >I showed some of the screenshots from the article to some friends at >work (that are ONLY window users) and they all picked the linux >screenshots as being the best image quality. The frame rate >differences looked large but really dont make that big of a difference >when they are that high in the first place. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > What backwards about it? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 14 22:12:37 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9F2CaJN029360 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:12:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9F2CalZ029359 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:12:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9F2CZJN029355 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:12:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9F2CYbN018920 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:12:34 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9F2CL26001235 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:12:25 -0400 DomainKeys-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=bGQGcG7JjOHOxNVUk20k4i7FWWctsty2EsuBV7e2ruHydtWsPJtSLPxFPr/bgPyW5aonhB2VcrtuxaTQrDSEACXS/ZwEOyApOTJaXl8w569BNdLxf1s/t900lTukaeGsbrtpCA10ZVbM4GzV3MPtu1Cd7mnEJIvwvP8Fu2oM2ug Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so1521rnk for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.152.19 with SMTP id z19mr16519rnd; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.71.31 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:12:21 -0400 From: Knowles Burrell To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DOOM 3 Benchmarks @ LinuxHardware.org In-Reply-To: <416F3077.30804@sigtom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410150001.i9F017Nu026384@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> <416F3077.30804@sigtom.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.666, required 6, AWL 2.23, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > What backwards about it? bad joke ?? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 14 22:15:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9F2EtJN029380 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:15:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9F2Eskb029379 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:14:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9F2ErJN029375 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:14:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9F2ElbN018999 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:14:48 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9F2Eb26001548 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:14:37 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CIHc5-00029b-N5 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:14:37 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DOOM 3 Benchmarks @ LinuxHardware.org Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:14:33 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410142214.33163.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.336, required 6, AWL 2.56, BAYES_00 -4.90, SARE_OEM_BRC 1.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 14 October 2004 09:13 pm, Eben King wrote: > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Ken Elliott wrote: > > So, assuming I want to run medium quality at 1024x768, I can use a $180 > > video card and free OS, or a $99 card with a $300 to $100 (oem) OS. > > Hmmm.... Sounds like a tie... > > $180 + $0 < $99 + $100 in my experience Well if we're going there, I think that $180 + Linux < $0 + windows I'd probably say that offering me $1000 to use windows for a year would not have cought me. At $5,000 I'd start looking for loopholes in the "use windows for a year" agreement. How much do I really need to use it? Can I have it sitting on a computer by itself collecting dust, except for some occational game maybe? $25,000 to replace my Linux machines with windows for a year, I would have to turn down as that would have ruined my business. Not that $25K is not a lot of money. But to have to back into that state of mind... Noo thank you! With whatever problems Linux has I always know it can be fixed, and within a reasonable amount of time and effort. Besides, my used-to-be $150 nVidia card could play Doom 3 fine. : ) -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 14 23:21:02 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9F3KuJN029890 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:21:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9F3KpLY029889 for slug-track29; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:20:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9F3KnJN029885 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:20:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9F3JxbP022202 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:20:19 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9F3Jg26013344 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:19:42 -0400 DomainKeys-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=r54X1ohUqqeBLuQ61DHRxfDSoBOxlxS4u36DI5MxawTAY48EL8LnczO2naL9vsY9ZipHmUTDUaTvRz2mpo6ZZ096Mdn8cCevPfZFx9ZOCoNOroam0RrR9X7nJ5Mscj0ewTc+L3yru8+h4zhownDsYq8SG1zlGW4b4g/7OIFxBHU Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 76so4647rnl for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.82.45 with SMTP id f45mr3896719rnb; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.19 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e3104101420191b06a08e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:19:41 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DOOM 3 Benchmarks @ LinuxHardware.org In-Reply-To: <008d01c4b20d$871907a0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1097700580.21127.31.camel@localhost> <200410131811.04899.steve@szmidt.org> <088d01c4b17f$52950f80$0f49490a@fifteen> <200410132210.33242.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310410131923971ae30@mail.gmail.com> <416E7961.9090406@myraandpete.net> <1a3a3e3104101406496900df71@mail.gmail.com> <416EA2C4.3040800@myraandpete.net> <008d01c4b20d$871907a0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.407, required 6, AWL 2.49, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Not to mention you also got The Free America's Army, Enemy Terrority > and then Comercial Unreal Tournament 2004. All which have very nice > graphics. Agreed. And don't forget about Neverwinter Nights! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 05:59:58 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9F9xrJN000358 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 05:59:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9F9xqn7000357 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 05:59:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9F9xjJN000353 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 05:59:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9F9xdbX008870 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 05:59:44 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9F9xUHt002930 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 05:59:30 -0400 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i9F9xRB7000972 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 05:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0a7501c4b29d$a8622370$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] DOOM 3 Benchmarks @ LinuxHardware.org Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 05:59:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, SARE_OEM_BRC 1.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Ken Elliott wrote: > > > So, assuming I want to run medium quality at 1024x768, I can use a $180 > > video card and free OS, or a $99 card with a $300 to $100 (oem) OS. Hmmm.... > > Sounds like a tie... > > $180 + $0 < $99 + $100 in my experience > > -- > -eben What you folks have to remember is that, for fellows such as Ken (maybe) and myself, the difference between 180 and 199 is what was then known as SRA on examinations (Slide Rule Accuracy) especially when computed at 10 minutes after 8 AM after a busy night of revelry the previous day. Remember those 75-cent pitchers? :-) - Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 13:28:49 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FHSmJN003577 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:28:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FHSmfm003576 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:28:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FHSfJN003572 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:28:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FHRpbL029946 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:28:11 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FHRZHt019067 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:27:35 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9FHRXT5020433 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:27:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] whence /bin/mail? Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:40:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FHdonI003657 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:39:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FHdMJN003653 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:39:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FHdLbL030495 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:39:21 -0400 Received: from srv01.jemconsult.biz (rrcs-24-73-101-102.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.101.102]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FHd4Ht021744 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:39:08 -0400 Received: by srv01.jemconsult.biz (Postfix, from userid 56641) id 2CC3B1BF95; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:30:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: OpenGroupware.org organization: JEMConsult.biz date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:30:05 -0000 content-type: text/plain To: slug@nks.net From: "James Marcinek" Subject: [SLUG] Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor MIME-Version: 1.0 content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20041015173005.2CC3B1BF95@srv01.jemconsult.biz> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.282, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWARE_HASH_2_V2 1.62) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I need to find a monitor adapter that will allow me to connect a Sun Sparc Workstation to a KVM switch. Does anyone know where I can find one, what there actually called so I can do a better search... Thanks, James ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 13:45:37 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FHjVJN003713 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:45:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FHjVDg003712 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:45:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FHjOJN003708 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:45:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FHjIbL030785 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:45:18 -0400 Received: from web41801.mail.yahoo.com (web41801.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.135]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i9FHip26030074 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:44:59 -0400 Message-ID: <20041015174451.45674.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.219.209.68] by web41801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:44:51 PDT X-RocketYMMF: swbuehler Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:44:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Buehler Subject: Re: [SLUG] whence /bin/mail? To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Try 'mailto'. At least that's what it is on Mandrake. SWB --- Eben King wrote: > Back when (Redhat 7.2 and before?) there was a utility called "mail" with > which I could do thing like > > echo "Time to make the doughnuts." | mail -s "Doughnut time" emp@dunkin.com > > which would send a mail with the subject "Doughnut time" and the body > "Time to make the doughnuts." to emp@dunkin.com . No executable called > "mail" exists anywhere that I can find. I'm using Redhat 8 > (sendmail-8.12.5-7). How do I regain that functionality? > > -- > -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > > Logic is a systematic method of coming to > the wrong conclusion with confidence. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ===== Steven W. Buehler | steven@sanctuaryweb.org --------------------------------- Personal Home Page: http://www.sanctuaryweb.org | Music Home Page: http://renaitre.iuma.com Yahoo! Messenger: swbuehler | AOL Instant Messenger: stevenbuehlerfl | MSN Messenger: stevenwbuehler@msn.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 14:02:44 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FI2hJN003840 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:02:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FI2P6Q003839 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:02:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FI2DJN003835 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:02:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FI2DbL031545 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:02:13 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FI1bHt027477 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:01:38 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.6] (222-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.222]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47AB110045A for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4170108F.9060608@myraandpete.net> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:01:51 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor References: <20041015173005.2CC3B1BF95@srv01.jemconsult.biz> In-Reply-To: <20041015173005.2CC3B1BF95@srv01.jemconsult.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.555, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net James Marcinek wrote: >I need to find a monitor adapter that will allow me to connect a Sun Sparc >Workstation to a KVM switch. Does anyone know where I can find one, what there >actually called so I can do a better search... > >Thanks, > >James > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > Will this do? http://www.sparcproductdirectory.com/cables.html http://www.networktechinc.com/cable-sn.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 14:04:59 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FI4sJN003855 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:04:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FI4mOe003854 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:04:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FI4lJN003850 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:04:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FI4kbN031659 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:04:46 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FI4g26001037 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:04:42 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9FI4eB8019709 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:04:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor In-Reply-To: <20041015173005.2CC3B1BF95@srv01.jemconsult.biz> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: I need to find a monitor adapter that will allow me to connect a Sun Sparc > Workstation to a KVM switch. Does anyone know where I can find one, what there > actually called so I can do a better search... What type of connector(s) does the monitor use to connect to the computer? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar An ASCII character walks into a bar and orders a double. "Having a bad day?" asks the barman. "Yeah, I have a parity error," replies the ASCII character. The barman says, "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." -- Skud ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 14:18:57 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FIIuJN003962 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:18:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FIIuYA003961 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:18:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FIInJN003957 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:18:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FIIibL032324 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:18:44 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FIIYHt031979 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:18:34 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9FIIWNv000894 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:18:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] whence /bin/mail? In-Reply-To: <20041015174451.45674.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: --- Eben King wrote: > > > Back when (Redhat 7.2 and before?) there was a utility called "mail" with > > which I could do thing like > > > > echo "Time to make the doughnuts." | mail -s "Doughnut time" emp@dunkin.com > > > > which would send a mail with the subject "Doughnut time" and the body > > "Time to make the doughnuts." to emp@dunkin.com . No executable called > > "mail" exists anywhere that I can find. I'm using Redhat 8 > > (sendmail-8.12.5-7). How do I regain that functionality? > Try 'mailto'. At least that's what it is on Mandrake. Bah: [eben@pc eben]$ echo test | mailto -s test eben -bash: mailto: command not found What package is mailto from? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar An ASCII character walks into a bar and orders a double. "Having a bad day?" asks the barman. "Yeah, I have a parity error," replies the ASCII character. The barman says, "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." -- Skud ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 14:24:18 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FIODJN004018 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:24:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FIOChP004017 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:24:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FIOAJN004013 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:24:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FIO5bL032552 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:24:05 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FINlHt000502 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:23:48 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so4007rnk for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:23:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=hEL2pJESbKDxL/6+6IvN+ToigXbDHXSAxePIWqn04SQE8hao8k8Py5SBxVKMj+Ts3hN3RO7AI1BY4KKiNDBOyiRAboWNTRXNzjIK0bxK1WvWy7jrKJibMdMf31gRN8rUlisLdgI6rdLX5v/6C4aC+L9HB7yaO66VYiQmfgfAIUc Received: by 10.38.75.45 with SMTP id x45mr38474rna; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.14 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:23:12 -0400 From: Bill Shaw To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor In-Reply-To: <4170108F.9060608@myraandpete.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041015173005.2CC3B1BF95@srv01.jemconsult.biz> <4170108F.9060608@myraandpete.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Found this site from an eBay sale that ended recently that may help you out. http://www.deepspacecables.com/ On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:01:51 -0400, Pete S. wrote: > James Marcinek wrote: > > > > >I need to find a monitor adapter that will allow me to connect a Sun Sparc > >Workstation to a KVM switch. Does anyone know where I can find one, what there > >actually called so I can do a better search... > > > >Thanks, > > > >James > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > > > > Will this do? http://www.sparcproductdirectory.com/cables.html > http://www.networktechinc.com/cable-sn.html > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 14:34:08 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FIY2JN004122 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:34:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FIXvjU004121 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:33:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FIXuJN004117 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:33:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FIXtbL000544 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:33:55 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FIXjHt002888 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:33:46 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9FIXaT5029549 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:33:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor In-Reply-To: <4170108F.9060608@myraandpete.net> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: James Marcinek wrote: > > >I need to find a monitor adapter that will allow me to connect a Sun Sparc > >Workstation to a KVM switch. Does anyone know where I can find one, what there > >actually called so I can do a better search... > Will this do? http://www.sparcproductdirectory.com/cables.html > http://www.networktechinc.com/cable-sn.html I think those are backward, going by their online depictions and descriptions. A Sun video port double female gender changer, and a Sun video port to VGA monitor adapter, and a VGA port double male gender changer might do, but a VGA port to Sun monitor adapter would probably be cheaper by that point. You need VGA male to Sun video female, I think. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar ARIES: The look on your face will be priceless when you find that 40lb watermelon in your colon. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 14:39:12 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FIdBJN004160 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:39:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FIdBMN004159 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:39:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FId4JN004151 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:39:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FIcwbP000760 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:38:59 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FIcj26006542 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:38:46 -0400 Received: from wbar24.tmp1-4.27.194.173.tmp1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.27.194.173] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CIWyR-0005lh-Fn for slug@nks.net; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:38:43 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] whence /bin/mail? Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:38:44 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410151438.44697.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 15 October 2004 01:27 pm, Eben King wrote: > Back when (Redhat 7.2 and before?) there was a utility called "mail" with > which I could do thing like > > echo "Time to make the doughnuts." | mail -s "Doughnut time" emp@dunkin.com > > which would send a mail with the subject "Doughnut time" and the body > "Time to make the doughnuts." to emp@dunkin.com . No executable called > "mail" exists anywhere that I can find. I'm using Redhat 8 > (sendmail-8.12.5-7). How do I regain that functionality? That's what it still is. Check that 'man mail' works, then check your sendmail settings. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 14:55:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FIsxJN004287 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:55:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FIswGM004286 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:54:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FIsvJN004282 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:54:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FIsvbL001534 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:54:57 -0400 Received: from srv01.jemconsult.biz (rrcs-24-73-101-102.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.101.102]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FIspHt008284 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:54:51 -0400 Received: by srv01.jemconsult.biz (Postfix, from userid 56641) id BE1581BF95; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:45:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: OpenGroupware.org organization: JEMConsult.biz date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:45:57 -0000 content-type: text/plain To: slug@nks.net From: "James Marcinek" subject: Re: [SLUG] Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor MIME-Version: 1.0 content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20041015184557.BE1581BF95@srv01.jemconsult.biz> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.282, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWARE_HASH_2_V2 1.62) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Much Thanks everyone. I hadn't a clue... slug@nks.net wrote: > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, Pete S. wrote: > > > James Marcinek wrote: > > > > >I need to find a monitor adapter that will allow me to connect a Sun Sparc > > >Workstation to a KVM switch. Does anyone know where I can find one, what there > > >actually called so I can do a better search... > > > Will this do? http://www.sparcproductdirectory.com/cables.html > > http://www.networktechinc.com/cable-sn.html > > I think those are backward, going by their online depictions and > descriptions. A Sun video port double female gender changer, and a Sun > video port to VGA monitor adapter, and a VGA port double male gender > changer might do, but a VGA port to Sun monitor adapter would probably be > cheaper by that point. You need VGA male to Sun video female, I think. > > -- > -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > ARIES: The look on your face will be priceless when you find that 40lb > watermelon in your colon. Trade toothbrushes with an albino dwarf, then > give a hickey to Meryl Streep. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > -- James Marcinek Systems Engineer JEMConsult.biz, Inc 813.416.1324 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 15:09:09 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FJ98JN004384 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:09:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FJ98I3004383 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:09:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FJ8xJN004375 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:08:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FJ8wbL002218 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:08:58 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FJ8jHt012605 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:08:45 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 80so7174rnl for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:08:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CYCZYfMIc6kTnpVwSaW+J1Jn8iBMXOdjTM2ChXWsk29l/ENjt6lFVhwlKGs1Hg8DKxZd+RlC9fCmpOWUYbGu+FOZ9a0Kfmtk7kZ7dVKZAspqm/XkLSqJ7ioFHrUmP+4cNT7uXuB1GvhgSbhvy7DAdZG8S+CQhEaFDR6hc4PXJJo Received: by 10.38.8.13 with SMTP id 13mr698689rnh; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.206.10 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <701a1b3304101512083ff00d67@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:08:41 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tevfik_Y=FCcek?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] whence /bin/mail? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041015174451.45674.qmail@web41801.mail.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:18:33 -0400 (EDT), Eben King wrote: > > > Back when (Redhat 7.2 and before?) there was a utility called "mail" with > > > which I could do thing like > > > > > > echo "Time to make the doughnuts." | mail -s "Doughnut time" emp@dunkin.com > > > > > > which would send a mail with the subject "Doughnut time" and the body > > > "Time to make the doughnuts." to emp@dunkin.com . No executable called > > > "mail" exists anywhere that I can find. I'm using Redhat 8 > > > (sendmail-8.12.5-7). How do I regain that functionality? > > > Try 'mailto'. At least that's what it is on Mandrake. > > Bah: > > [eben@pc eben]$ echo test | mailto -s test eben > -bash: mailto: command not found > > What package is mailto from? > Try "nail" which is similar to mail i guess. I have both mailto and nail by default. Tevfik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 15:12:54 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FJCrJN004427 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:12:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FJCgpR004426 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:12:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FJCaJN004422 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:12:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FJCUbN002396 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:12:31 -0400 Received: from audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net (audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.253]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FJCI26013077 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:12:18 -0400 Received: from user-12hckbe.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.81.110] helo=blackgold) by audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIXUv-0001vv-Ie for slug@nks.net; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:12:18 -0700 Message-ID: <011601c4b2eb$4408c2a0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> From: "xcalibre" To: References: <20041015173005.2CC3B1BF95@srv01.jemconsult.biz> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:14:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: 16b8c79b0b06377a9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d3d916b0433438911fe7a9e67eca7e54b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.22.81.110 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.384, required 6, AWL 0.72, BAYES_00 -4.90, BIZ_TLD 0.10, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I do not think you will get one to work. Sun uses proprietary keyboards, mouse and monitors. I have 3 sparcs and none of them use the same kind of connectors as a pc. Now there is adapters for the monitors to vag how ever they are fixed rates of video. Bill Preece ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Marcinek" To: Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 1:30 PM Subject: [SLUG] Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor > I need to find a monitor adapter that will allow me to connect a Sun Sparc > Workstation to a KVM switch. Does anyone know where I can find one, what there > actually called so I can do a better search... > > Thanks, > > James > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 15:21:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FJLeJN004497 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:21:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FJLdoF004496 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:21:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FJLcJN004492 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:21:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FJLTbR002818 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:21:37 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FJKpHt015622 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:20:52 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9FJKolN021901 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:20:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] whence /bin/mail? In-Reply-To: <200410151438.44697.steve@szmidt.org> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Friday 15 October 2004 01:27 pm, Eben King wrote: > > Back when (Redhat 7.2 and before?) there was a utility called "mail" with > > which I could do thing like > > > > echo "Time to make the doughnuts." | mail -s "Doughnut time" emp@dunkin.com > > > > which would send a mail with the subject "Doughnut time" and the body > > "Time to make the doughnuts." to emp@dunkin.com . No executable called > > "mail" exists anywhere that I can find. I'm using Redhat 8 > > (sendmail-8.12.5-7). How do I regain that functionality? > > That's what it still is. Check that 'man mail' works, then check your > sendmail settings. [eben@pc eben]$ man mail No manual entry for mail [eben@pc eben]$ locate bin/mail /usr/bin/mailq /usr/bin/mailstat /usr/bin/mailq.sendmail /usr/bin/mail-files /usr/bin/mailshar /usr/lib/news/bin/mailpost /usr/sbin/mailstats What should I look for in the settings? mailx-8.1.1-26.i386.rpm has /bin/mail ; should I convert, or does a similar utility exist in sendmail? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H.L. Mencken ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 16:04:24 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FK4OJN004832 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:04:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FK42t7004828 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:04:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FK3qJN004820 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:03:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FK3qbL004768 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:03:52 -0400 Received: from srv01.jemconsult.biz (rrcs-24-73-101-102.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.101.102]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FK3fHt027448 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:03:41 -0400 Received: by srv01.jemconsult.biz (Postfix, from userid 56641) id F2D981BF95; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:54:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: OpenGroupware.org organization: JEMConsult.biz date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:54:46 -0000 content-type: text/plain To: slug@nks.net From: "James Marcinek" subject: Re: [SLUG] Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor (FOUND) MIME-Version: 1.0 content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20041015195446.F2D981BF95@srv01.jemconsult.biz> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.282, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWARE_HASH_2_V2 1.62) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The SPARC had the Female type. I was able to order an adapter. I'll find out next week if it works or not... Thanks Everyone slug@nks.net wrote: > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, James Marcinek wrote: > > > I need to find a monitor adapter that will allow me to connect a Sun Sparc > > Workstation to a KVM switch. Does anyone know where I can find one, what there > > actually called so I can do a better search... > > What type of connector(s) does the monitor use to connect to the computer? > > -- > -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > An ASCII character walks into a bar and orders a double. "Having a bad day?" > asks the barman. "Yeah, I have a parity error," replies the ASCII character. > The barman says, "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." -- Skud > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 16:34:34 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FKYSJN005115 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:34:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FKY7Pr005110 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:34:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FKXqJN005106 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:33:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FKXibN006140 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:33:44 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FKXUHt001965 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:33:30 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CIYlU-0004Yv-Gg for slug@nks.net; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:33:28 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] whence /bin/mail? Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:09:42 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410151609.42749.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 15 October 2004 03:20 pm, Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Friday 15 October 2004 01:27 pm, Eben King wrote: > > > Back when (Redhat 7.2 and before?) there was a utility called "mail" > > > with which I could do thing like > > > > > > echo "Time to make the doughnuts." | mail -s "Doughnut time" > > > emp@dunkin.com > > > > > > which would send a mail with the subject "Doughnut time" and the body > > > "Time to make the doughnuts." to emp@dunkin.com . No executable called > > > "mail" exists anywhere that I can find. I'm using Redhat 8 > > > (sendmail-8.12.5-7). How do I regain that functionality? > > > > That's what it still is. Check that 'man mail' works, then check your > > sendmail settings. > > [eben@pc eben]$ man mail > No manual entry for mail > > [eben@pc eben]$ locate bin/mail > /usr/bin/mailq > /usr/bin/mailstat > /usr/bin/mailq.sendmail > /usr/bin/mail-files > /usr/bin/mailshar > /usr/lib/news/bin/mailpost > /usr/sbin/mailstats > > What should I look for in the settings? > > mailx-8.1.1-26.i386.rpm has /bin/mail ; should I convert, or does a > similar utility exist in sendmail? Try installing it. : ) No mail relies on sendmail (whatever your mailserver s/w is). -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 17:08:57 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FL8vJN005334 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:08:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FL8mMJ005333 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:08:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FL8gJN005329 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:08:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FL8abL007738 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:08:36 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FL8NHt010656 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:08:23 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9FL8LZo025025 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:08:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] whence /bin/mail? In-Reply-To: <200410151609.42749.steve@szmidt.org> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Friday 15 October 2004 03:20 pm, Eben King wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, steve szmidt wrote: > > > On Friday 15 October 2004 01:27 pm, Eben King wrote: > > > > Back when (Redhat 7.2 and before?) there was a utility called "mail" > > > > with which I could do thing like > > > > > > > > echo "Time to make the doughnuts." | mail -s "Doughnut time" > > > > emp@dunkin.com > > > > > > > > which would send a mail with the subject "Doughnut time" and the body > > > > "Time to make the doughnuts." to emp@dunkin.com . No executable called > > > > "mail" exists anywhere that I can find. I'm using Redhat 8 > > > > (sendmail-8.12.5-7). How do I regain that functionality? > > > > > > That's what it still is. Check that 'man mail' works, then check your > > > sendmail settings. > > > > [eben@pc eben]$ man mail > > No manual entry for mail > > > > [eben@pc eben]$ locate bin/mail > > /usr/bin/mailq > > /usr/bin/mailstat > > /usr/bin/mailq.sendmail > > /usr/bin/mail-files > > /usr/bin/mailshar > > /usr/lib/news/bin/mailpost > > /usr/sbin/mailstats > > > > What should I look for in the settings? > > > > mailx-8.1.1-26.i386.rpm has /bin/mail ; should I convert, or does a > > similar utility exist in sendmail? > > Try installing it. : ) Thanks, that worked. [eben@pc eben]$ ls /var/spool/mail/eben 0 /var/spool/mail/eben [eben@pc eben]$ echo test | mail -s test eben [eben@pc eben]$ ls /var/spool/mail/eben 4.0K /var/spool/mail/eben > No mail relies on sendmail (whatever your mailserver s/w is). Well, I thought it was an MTA. Should have done an rpm -qlp ... -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Two atoms are walking along. Suddenly, one stops. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 17:29:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FLTlJN005519 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:29:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FLTkxl005518 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:29:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FLTjJN005514 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:29:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FLTebL008709 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:29:40 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FLTT26004060 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:29:29 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9FLTRB7024311 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410152129.i9FLTRB7024311@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor (FOUND) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:27:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <20041015195446.F2D981BF95@srv01.jemconsult.biz> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcSy9A/LWjgnOPT9R8yqmxf5dsrRQAACTPnQ X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.333, required 6, AWL 2.57, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net James M. >>>> The SPARC had the Female type. I was able to order an adapter. I'll find out next week if it works or not... A possible problem is the D15 connector used on VGA. They often have a crosstalk problem, resulting in a fuzzy display. You'll know it when you see it. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of James Marcinek Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:55 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor (FOUND) The SPARC had the Female type. I was able to order an adapter. I'll find out next week if it works or not... Thanks Everyone slug@nks.net wrote: > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, James Marcinek wrote: > > > I need to find a monitor adapter that will allow me to connect a Sun > > Sparc Workstation to a KVM switch. Does anyone know where I can find > > one, what there > > actually called so I can do a better search... > > What type of connector(s) does the monitor use to connect to the computer? > > -- > -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > An ASCII character walks into a bar and orders a double. "Having a bad day?" > asks the barman. "Yeah, I have a parity error," replies the ASCII character. > The barman says, "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." -- Skud > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in > messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect > the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 18:01:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FM1AJN005752 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:01:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FM14S6005751 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:01:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FM13JN005747 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:01:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FM12bP010115 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:01:03 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FM0f26009468 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:00:45 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9FM0dT5003703 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:00:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor (FOUND) In-Reply-To: <200410152129.i9FLTRB7024311@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: James M. >>>> The SPARC had the Female type. I was able to order an adapter. > I'll find out next week if it works or not... > > A possible problem is the D15 connector used on VGA. They often have a > crosstalk problem, resulting in a fuzzy display. You'll know it when you > see it. I have to use a (6 foot?) VGA extension cable because of the relative placement of my computer and monitor. At first I had a cheapo extender (Belkin?), and I had ghosting (~9 pixels at 1536x1152). Bought a decent cable from a place that sold mainly cables, no more ghosting. So this is not directly related to the choice of adapters, but if the total cable length gets long, make sure they're all of good quality. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar AQUARIUS: There's travel in your future when your tongue freezes to the back of a speeding bus. Fill the void in your pathetic life by playing Whack-a-Mole 17 hours a day. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 18:26:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FMQeJN005943 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:26:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FMQdcB005942 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:26:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FMQXJN005938 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:26:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FMQWbN011295 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:26:32 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FMQDHt029862 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:26:13 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9FMQ7Zn006880 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410152226.i9FMQ7Zn006880@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor (FOUND) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:24:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcSzBRRMmZAJuMtqQXGXGmA4kbGGQwAABzug X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Me:>>A possible problem is the D15 connector used on VGA. Actually, I meant "cables using the DB15 connector" Eben>>Bought a decent cable from a place that sold mainly cables, no more ghosting. The higher the frequency, the more important the shielding is. CAD systems running high-refresh hi-resolution displays are far more picky about the cable than regular 'ole PCs. I don't know the specs of the Sun workstation, but I'll bet it fall in that category. The HP/UX workstations with fixed-frequency displays were especially critical. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Eben King Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 6:01 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor (FOUND) On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, Ken Elliott wrote: > James M. >>>> The SPARC had the Female type. I was able to order an adapter. > I'll find out next week if it works or not... > > A possible problem is the D15 connector used on VGA. They often have > a crosstalk problem, resulting in a fuzzy display. You'll know it > when you see it. I have to use a (6 foot?) VGA extension cable because of the relative placement of my computer and monitor. At first I had a cheapo extender (Belkin?), and I had ghosting (~9 pixels at 1536x1152). Bought a decent cable from a place that sold mainly cables, no more ghosting. So this is not directly related to the choice of adapters, but if the total cable length gets long, make sure they're all of good quality. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar AQUARIUS: There's travel in your future when your tongue freezes to the back of a speeding bus. Fill the void in your pathetic life by playing Whack-a-Mole 17 hours a day. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 18:30:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FMUBJN005990 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:30:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FMUB2R005989 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:30:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FMU9JN005985 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:30:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FMU9bL011414 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:30:09 -0400 Received: from audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net (audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.253]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FMTr26013920 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:29:54 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-217-116.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.217.116] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIaa9-0003MM-Vy for slug@nks.net; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:29:54 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- KVMs that do both PC _and_ SUN From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <011601c4b2eb$4408c2a0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> References: <20041015173005.2CC3B1BF95@srv01.jemconsult.biz> <011601c4b2eb$4408c2a0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097879393.2500.70.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:29:53 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec790b84a7eccc96bbd37a7ddb2b69fcfed6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.217.116 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 15:14, xcalibre wrote: > I do not think you will get one to work. > Sun uses proprietary keyboards, mouse and monitors. Whoa! Now hold on. Sun publishes its specifications as IEEE standards (even the SPARC). In fact, at this point, Sun is less proprietary than Intel [brand]. In the case of PS/2-USB, you can get adapters. When it comes to monitors, you need "fixed frequency" for the console. > I have 3 sparcs and none of them use the same kind of connectors as a pc. > Now there is adapters for the monitors to vag how ever they are fixed rates > of video. That's not proprietary. ;-> There are plenty of KVM switches that have _both_ PC and SUN outputs. You pay somewhat of a premium, but they are _well_worth_it_! If you try to use "adapters" -- especially for video -- expect to have issues, unless the monitor handles the scan ranges SUN expects (at least for the console). -- Bryan J. Smith SCSA, SCNA, SCSecA (not that it matters ;-) -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 18:34:21 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FMYFJN006023 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:34:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FMYFcK006022 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:34:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FMYEJN006018 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:34:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FMYDbL011591 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:34:13 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FMY5Ht031402 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:34:05 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-217-116.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.217.116] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIaeC-0004Bs-On for slug@nks.net; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:34:04 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor (FOUND) From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410152129.i9FLTRB7024311@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200410152129.i9FLTRB7024311@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097879644.2500.79.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:34:05 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79eeb983d7917a451cb985ad4e0bb6aab7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.217.116 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 17:27, Ken Elliott wrote: > A possible problem is the D15 connector used on VGA. They often have a > crosstalk problem, resulting in a fuzzy display. You'll know it when you > see it. Yes, SUN13W3 video is better for reduced cross-talk. but at 1152x900@76Hz (SUN console), I seriously _doubt_ this is noticable. Furthermore, using a 3/4/5 BNC monitor to SUN13W3 is another option. I have done this several times for higher resolutions (like high-end workstations). -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 19:04:04 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FN43JN006236 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:04:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FN439b006235 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:04:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FN3uJN006227 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:03:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FN3kbL012841 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:03:46 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FN3X26020198 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:03:33 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9FN3VNu011688 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410152303.i9FN3VNu011688@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor (FOUND) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:01:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <1097879644.2500.79.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcSzCMF1wiwd6yYIQ/a3mMqijEGv7AAAVv7w X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.663, required 6, AWL 2.24, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net BS>>but at 1152x900@76Hz (SUN console), I seriously _doubt_ this is noticeable. I didn't realize it ran that low a resolution. My old HP/UX box ran 1792 x 1344 @85Hz on a 21" display. Lots of 'em run 1600x1280 @100Hz. But don't underestimate how poorly build some of that stuff is. I've seen issues at 1024x768 @60Hz. Even with short BNC/DB-15 cables. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bryan J. Smith Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 6:34 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor (FOUND) On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 17:27, Ken Elliott wrote: > A possible problem is the D15 connector used on VGA. They often have > a crosstalk problem, resulting in a fuzzy display. You'll know it > when you see it. Yes, SUN13W3 video is better for reduced cross-talk. but at 1152x900@76Hz (SUN console), I seriously _doubt_ this is noticable. Furthermore, using a 3/4/5 BNC monitor to SUN13W3 is another option. I have done this several times for higher resolutions (like high-end workstations). -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 19:13:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FNDCJN006321 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:13:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FNDCkv006320 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:13:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FNDAJN006316 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:13:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FND7bN013269 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:13:07 -0400 Received: from audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net (audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.253]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FND126021725 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:13:02 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-217-116.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.217.116] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIbFq-00049P-8l for slug@nks.net; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:12:58 -0700 Subject: RE: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor (FOUND) From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410152303.i9FN3VNu011688@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200410152303.i9FN3VNu011688@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097881977.2500.107.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:12:57 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec799dcbe23225ff707c651425b84556827a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.217.116 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 19:01, Ken Elliott wrote: > I didn't realize it ran that low a resolution. My old HP/UX box ran 1792 x > 1344 @85Hz on a 21" display. Lots of 'em run 1600x1280 @100Hz. That is the _standard_ SUN _console_ (i.e., text/boot-time) with a 12x22 font. The resolution has been _much_higher_ once X comes up. Don't confuse the two. > But don't underestimate how poorly build some of that stuff is. I've seen > issues at 1024x768 @60Hz. Even with short BNC/DB-15 cables. If the DB-15 cable is crappy, of course. It needs to be well shielded _and_ have lead cylinders at _each_ end to reduce EMI (as well as EMF generation). Many extension cables do not offer these. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 19:43:56 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FNhtJN006552 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:43:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FNhjY2006551 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:43:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FNhdJN006547 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:43:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FNgmbL014535 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:43:08 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FNgGHt017082 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:42:16 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9FNgENu002747 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410152342.i9FNgENu002747@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor (FOUND) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:40:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <1097881977.2500.107.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcSzDkdHmDfTSN07TgWtKsoEdomVMQAAAzlw X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>That is the _standard_ SUN _console_ (i.e., text/boot-time) with a 12x22 font. The resolution has been _much_higher_ once X comes up. Don't confuse the two. I wasn't. Hee Hee.... You were the one who said you didn't believe he'd notice a difference. Now you're saying that's not the resolution he'll run in X. Yes, most folks won't notice a problem in text mode - It's in graphics mode that you'll see the problem. So, I figured you were either talking about a really _old_ box, or a low resolution mode. And my experience is 13W3 connectors are almost always used for high resolution graphics. Thus my attempt to point out possible quality issues using PC-grade cables. >>If the DB-15 cable is crappy, of course. Yes. That's my point. (Y,TMP) >>It needs to be well shielded _and_ have lead cylinders at _each_ end to reduce EMI (as well as EMF generation). Y,TMP >>Many extension cables do not offer these. Y,TMP So, we actually appear to be in agreement. Cool. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bryan J. Smith Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 7:13 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor (FOUND) On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 19:01, Ken Elliott wrote: > I didn't realize it ran that low a resolution. My old HP/UX box ran > 1792 x > 1344 @85Hz on a 21" display. Lots of 'em run 1600x1280 @100Hz. That is the _standard_ SUN _console_ (i.e., text/boot-time) with a 12x22 font. The resolution has been _much_higher_ once X comes up. Don't confuse the two. > But don't underestimate how poorly build some of that stuff is. I've > seen issues at 1024x768 @60Hz. Even with short BNC/DB-15 cables. If the DB-15 cable is crappy, of course. It needs to be well shielded _and_ have lead cylinders at _each_ end to reduce EMI (as well as EMF generation). Many extension cables do not offer these. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 19:59:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FNxBJN006663 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:59:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9FNxB5Q006662 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:59:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9FNxAJN006658 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:59:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FNx9bL015157 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:59:09 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9FNx226029593 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:59:02 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9FNwvB7015434 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410152358.i9FNwvB7015434@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- KVMs that do both PC_and_ SUN Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:57:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <1097879393.2500.70.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcSzCCetvVukyioET9y7S/ddIxs7aAACLeLQ X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.757, required 6, AWL 2.14, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>Sun publishes its specifications as IEEE standards (even the SPARC). That makes it an "open" specification, but not an commonly accepted industry standard. BTW, do you mean that Sun _submits_ its specifications as IEEE standards? Sun can't publish IEEE standards - that's the job of the IEEE. >>In fact, at this point, Sun is less proprietary than Intel [brand]. ??? That's quite a statement. While it's not exactly an open standard, I believe you'll agree that the IBM AT became an accepted industry standard. Ditto all Intel and non-Intel x86 chips. I look forward to your highly detailed reply, which I always enjoy reading (I'm not being sarcastic). >>When it comes to monitors, you need "fixed frequency" for the console. >>That's not proprietary. ;-> Perhaps not, but certainly not "industry standard", which would be variable frequency monitors. "proprietary" may be a poor choice, but I think we could agree on "non-mainstream". Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bryan J. Smith Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 6:30 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Re: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- KVMs that do both PC_and_ SUN On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 15:14, xcalibre wrote: > I do not think you will get one to work. > Sun uses proprietary keyboards, mouse and monitors. Whoa! Now hold on. Sun publishes its specifications as IEEE standards (even the SPARC). In fact, at this point, Sun is less proprietary than Intel [brand]. In the case of PS/2-USB, you can get adapters. When it comes to monitors, you need "fixed frequency" for the console. > I have 3 sparcs and none of them use the same kind of connectors as a pc. > Now there is adapters for the monitors to vag how ever they are fixed > rates of video. That's not proprietary. ;-> There are plenty of KVM switches that have _both_ PC and SUN outputs. You pay somewhat of a premium, but they are _well_worth_it_! If you try to use "adapters" -- especially for video -- expect to have issues, unless the monitor handles the scan ranges SUN expects (at least for the console). -- Bryan J. Smith SCSA, SCNA, SCSecA (not that it matters ;-) -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 20:18:19 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9G0IIJN006797 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:18:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9G0II8r006796 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:18:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9G0IBJN006792 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:18:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9G0IAbN015973 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:18:11 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9G0Hu26000214 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:17:56 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-217-116.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.217.116] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIcGi-00052d-0M for slug@nks.net; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:17:56 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- KVMs that do both PC_and_ SUN From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410152358.i9FNwvB7015434@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200410152358.i9FNwvB7015434@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097885875.2500.118.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:17:55 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c023652be9064f15f5027532f6950909350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.217.116 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 19:57, Ken Elliott wrote: > That makes it an "open" specification, but not an commonly accepted industry > standard. Agreed. > BTW, do you mean that Sun _submits_ its specifications as IEEE > standards? Sun can't publish IEEE standards - that's the job of the IEEE. > Ack, okay. I meant it submits many of its specifications for approval as an IEEE standard. > ??? That's quite a statement. While it's not exactly an open standard, I > believe you'll agree that the IBM AT became an accepted industry standard. > Ditto all Intel and non-Intel x86 chips. I look forward to your highly > detailed reply, which I always enjoy reading (I'm not being sarcastic). ??? IA-64 Itanium is _quite_proprietary_. Intel stopped licensing its ISA as of the Pentium Pro (i686), and attempted to do so with the i486 as well. Many Intel interfaces are not standards. Heck, Microsoft produces more standards for the PC these days (although it changes them every 2 years -- I call this part of the "superstore profit model"). > Perhaps not, but certainly not "industry standard", which would be variable > frequency monitors. It's an "industry standard" for SPARC hardware. Just like VGA 640x400/640x480 is for PC hardware. > "proprietary" may be a poor choice, but I think we could agree on > "non-mainstream". It is very mainstream for SPARC hardware. SPARC is not just Sun -- x86 is not just Intel. x86 is just far more popular. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 21:04:37 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9G14aJN007134 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:04:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9G14aCd007133 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:04:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9G14YJN007129 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:04:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9G14YbL017824 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:04:34 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9G14PHt003037 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:04:25 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9G14NNv009533 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:04:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor (FOUND) In-Reply-To: <200410152226.i9FMQ7Zn006880@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Me:>>A possible problem is the D15 connector used on VGA. > > Actually, I meant "cables using the DB15 connector" > > Eben>>Bought a decent cable from a place that sold mainly cables, no more > ghosting. > > The higher the frequency, the more important the shielding is. Yeah, I tend to keep my video dot clock as low as possible (I'm not very sensitive to flicker... my CRT has dotclock = 150 MHz, vrefresh = 60.7 Hz), so I'm not very vulneragle to ghosting. It astounds me that that cable couldn't even handle _that_. To me, it seems unconscionable to sell a product that fails under the most meager of requirements. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Are you confident that you appear to be professional in your electronic communication? Consider this: A: No Q: Can I top post? from nick@xx.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 21:24:46 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9G1OkJN007273 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:24:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9G1OeHi007272 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:24:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9G1OdJN007268 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:24:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9G1OZbL018706 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:24:39 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9G1OM26010278 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:24:23 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBBEFF95E for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:24:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor (FOUND) -- VGA MUX Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:29:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200410152342.i9FNgENu002747@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200410152342.i9FNgENu002747@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410152129.59584.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.485, required 6, AWL 2.31, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net So, brilliant minds, do you have a brand and/or model knowledge for a DB15 VGA MUX? I need to show the same images over multiple monitors, so I'm in the market for buying one. I think about six to twelve heads over a short distance would be good. Of course, the more the better. No, it's not for a Halloween project, but I guess I could use it for one :-) /mario On Friday 15 October 2004 19:40, Ken Elliott wrote: > >>That is the _standard_ SUN _console_ (i.e., text/boot-time) with a 12x22 > > font. The resolution has been _much_higher_ once X comes up. Don't > confuse the two. > > I wasn't. Hee Hee.... > > You were the one who said you didn't believe he'd notice a difference. Now > you're saying that's not the resolution he'll run in X. > > Yes, most folks won't notice a problem in text mode - It's in graphics mode > that you'll see the problem. So, I figured you were either talking about a > really _old_ box, or a low resolution mode. And my experience is 13W3 > connectors are almost always used for high resolution graphics. Thus my > attempt to point out possible quality issues using PC-grade cables. > > >>If the DB-15 cable is crappy, of course. > > Yes. That's my point. (Y,TMP) > > >>It needs to be well shielded _and_ have lead cylinders at _each_ end to > > reduce EMI (as well as EMF generation). > > Y,TMP > > >>Many extension cables do not offer these. > > Y,TMP > > So, we actually appear to be in agreement. Cool. > > Ken Elliott > > ===================== > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bryan J. Smith > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 7:13 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: RE: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor (FOUND) > > On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 19:01, Ken Elliott wrote: > > I didn't realize it ran that low a resolution. My old HP/UX box ran > > 1792 x > > 1344 @85Hz on a 21" display. Lots of 'em run 1600x1280 @100Hz. > > That is the _standard_ SUN _console_ (i.e., text/boot-time) with a 12x22 > font. The resolution has been _much_higher_ once X comes up. Don't > confuse the two. > > > But don't underestimate how poorly build some of that stuff is. I've > > seen issues at 1024x768 @60Hz. Even with short BNC/DB-15 cables. > > If the DB-15 cable is crappy, of course. It needs to be well shielded > _and_ have lead cylinders at _each_ end to reduce EMI (as well as EMF > generation). Many extension cables do not offer these. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 15 22:09:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9G29jJN007590 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:09:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9G29iSF007589 for slug-track29; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:09:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9G29SJN007585 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:09:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9G29RbL020613 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:09:27 -0400 Received: from invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net (invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.254]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9G29H26017578 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:09:17 -0400 Received: from user-12hckbe.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.81.110] helo=blackgold) by invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIe0T-0005Pw-CZ for slug@nks.net; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:09:17 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01c4b325$854e9ca0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> From: "xcalibre" To: References: <200410152358.i9FNwvB7015434@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- KVMs that do both PC_and_ SUN Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:11:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: 16b8c79b0b06377a9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d7b631bb787ed7b70ddbc9bc8c106dd3b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.22.81.110 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.614, required 6, AWL 0.59, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The connector and keyboard and mouse for a Sparc are not PC standard but sun's standard! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Elliott" To: Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 7:57 PM Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- KVMs that do both PC_and_ SUN > >>Sun publishes its specifications as IEEE standards (even the SPARC). > > That makes it an "open" specification, but not an commonly accepted industry > standard. BTW, do you mean that Sun _submits_ its specifications as IEEE > standards? Sun can't publish IEEE standards - that's the job of the IEEE. > > > >>In fact, at this point, Sun is less proprietary than Intel [brand]. > > ??? That's quite a statement. While it's not exactly an open standard, I > believe you'll agree that the IBM AT became an accepted industry standard. > Ditto all Intel and non-Intel x86 chips. I look forward to your highly > detailed reply, which I always enjoy reading (I'm not being sarcastic). > > >>When it comes to monitors, you need "fixed frequency" for the console. > >>That's not proprietary. ;-> > > Perhaps not, but certainly not "industry standard", which would be variable > frequency monitors. > > "proprietary" may be a poor choice, but I think we could agree on > "non-mainstream". > > Ken Elliott > > ===================== > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bryan J. Smith > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 6:30 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] Re: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- KVMs that do both > PC_and_ SUN > > On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 15:14, xcalibre wrote: > > I do not think you will get one to work. > > Sun uses proprietary keyboards, mouse and monitors. > > Whoa! Now hold on. > Sun publishes its specifications as IEEE standards (even the SPARC). > In fact, at this point, Sun is less proprietary than Intel [brand]. > > In the case of PS/2-USB, you can get adapters. > When it comes to monitors, you need "fixed frequency" for the console. > > > I have 3 sparcs and none of them use the same kind of connectors as a pc. > > Now there is adapters for the monitors to vag how ever they are fixed > > rates of video. > > That's not proprietary. ;-> > > There are plenty of KVM switches that have _both_ PC and SUN outputs. > You pay somewhat of a premium, but they are _well_worth_it_! > > If you try to use "adapters" -- especially for video -- expect to have > issues, unless the monitor handles the scan ranges SUN expects (at least for > the console). > > -- Bryan J. Smith > SCSA, SCNA, SCSecA (not that it matters ;-) > > -- > Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have > rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the > 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 01:12:20 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9G5CJJN008851 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:12:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9G5CJHB008850 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:12:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9G5CHJN008846 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:12:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9G5C9bP028973 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:12:11 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9G5C126017022 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:12:02 -0400 Received: (qmail 2871 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2004 05:12:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.16.56.69) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2004 05:12:00 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 268EF125325; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:11:27 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] whence /bin/mail? Message-ID: <20041016051126.GI2705@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200410151438.44697.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.446, required 6, AWL 2.65, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 03:20:50PM -0400, Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, steve szmidt wrote: > > > On Friday 15 October 2004 01:27 pm, Eben King wrote: > > > Back when (Redhat 7.2 and before?) there was a utility called "mail" with > > > which I could do thing like > > > > > > echo "Time to make the doughnuts." | mail -s "Doughnut time" > emp@dunkin.com > > > > > > which would send a mail with the subject "Doughnut time" and the body > > > "Time to make the doughnuts." to emp@dunkin.com . No executable called > > > "mail" exists anywhere that I can find. I'm using Redhat 8 > > > (sendmail-8.12.5-7). How do I regain that functionality? > > > > That's what it still is. Check that 'man mail' works, then check your > > sendmail settings. > > [eben@pc eben]$ man mail > No manual entry for mail > > [eben@pc eben]$ locate bin/mail > /usr/bin/mailq > /usr/bin/mailstat > /usr/bin/mailq.sendmail > /usr/bin/mail-files > /usr/bin/mailshar > /usr/lib/news/bin/mailpost > /usr/sbin/mailstats > > What should I look for in the settings? > > mailx-8.1.1-26.i386.rpm has /bin/mail ; should I convert, or does a > similar utility exist in sendmail? No need to "convert". Sendmail has similar capabilities, but the "mail" program is a separate entity. While sendmail watches your port 25 and has all sorts of queues and such, "mail" is more of a one-off command line utility. You should be able to install it along side sendmail. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 01:21:30 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9G5LPJN008923 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:21:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9G5LOlC008922 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:21:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9G5LNJN008918 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:21:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9G5LKbN029293 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:21:22 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.220]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9G5Kx26018208 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:20:59 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-217-116.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.217.116] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIgzz-0004Mo-2o for slug@nks.net; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:20:59 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- ? From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <001c01c4b325$854e9ca0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> References: <200410152358.i9FNwvB7015434@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> <001c01c4b325$854e9ca0$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097904058.2500.140.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:20:58 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7937b8435fb9c811ebe63c10385ad2b63d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.217.116 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 22:11, xcalibre wrote: > The connector and keyboard and mouse for a Sparc are not PC standard but > sun's standard! Meaning? PC does not necessarily mean better. USB is a perfect example. USB completely lacked standards and APIs, all of which have been retrofitted by good, standards-based companies. Intel and Microsoft designed the USB host to be a minimal effort on their part, all the effort on the end-device. That's why it took forever for it to catch on. Why many USB devices are very proprietary, Why many USB devices do not work on the same bus (except under Linux). And why most only work with one or two versions of Windows. It's getting better now thanx to retro-fitted standards. But the first 10 years have been a total mess. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 09:45:54 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GDjmJN012559 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:45:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9GDjm8V012558 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:45:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GDjlJN012554 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:45:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GDjfbL017574 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:45:41 -0400 Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GDjP26027903 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:45:29 -0400 Received: from opus ([68.210.28.191]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20041016134525.LFGU2403.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@opus> for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:45:25 -0400 From: "Patrick Grantham" To: Subject: [SLUG] Open source Exchange server for linux. (wish I had time for doom3!) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:43:29 -0400 Message-ID: <004201c4b386$1f61cff0$c902a8c0@opus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <1097904058.2500.140.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.05, required 6, AWL 1.15, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Rather than avoid setting up a MS box with exchange server for collaborative functionality in MS outlook, what are some recommended email server packages for linux? I have studied Open exchange from Suse and I am sure it's a fine package. Suggestions on an open source package? I thought there was a "open source project for this. I can't seem to find it. --Patrick ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 10:38:11 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GEcAJN012920 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:38:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9GEcAAh012919 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:38:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GEc0JN012911 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:38:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GEbsbN019589 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:38:00 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GEbh26003211 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:37:43 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (653271hfc253.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.71.253]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9GEbfB7001035 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Open source Exchange server for linux. (wish I had time for doom3!) From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <004201c4b386$1f61cff0$c902a8c0@opus> References: <004201c4b386$1f61cff0$c902a8c0@opus> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097937461.2554.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:37:41 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.906, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 09:43, Patrick Grantham wrote: > Rather than avoid setting up a MS box with exchange server for collaborative > functionality in MS outlook, what are some recommended email server packages > for linux? I have studied Open exchange from Suse and I am sure it's a fine > package. Suggestions on an open source package? > > I thought there was a "open source project for this. I can't seem to find > it. > > --Patrick egroupware.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 10:40:38 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GEebJN012959 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:40:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9GEebIY012958 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:40:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GEeaJN012954 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:40:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GEeYbT019684 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:40:35 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GEe3Ht025494 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:40:03 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-217-116.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.217.116] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIpiz-0002kk-5S for slug@nks.net; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 07:40:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Open source Exchange server for linux. (wish I had time for doom3!) From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <004201c4b386$1f61cff0$c902a8c0@opus> References: <004201c4b386$1f61cff0$c902a8c0@opus> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097937599.2500.225.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:39:59 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ba2ba9ddcb4257a4c4b25e466b91b994350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.217.116 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 09:43, Patrick Grantham wrote: > Rather than avoid setting up a MS box with exchange server for collaborative > functionality in MS outlook, what are some recommended email server packages > for linux? I have studied Open exchange from Suse and I am sure it's a fine > package. Suggestions on an open source package? > I thought there was a "open source project for this. I can't seem to find > it. There are a lot of "Exchange Replacements" out there, but many are proprietary -- typically at the server storage end. OpenGroupware.ORG (OGo) is the most powerful back-end I've ever seen, supporting everything from Evolution to Palm (i.e., direct access over the network by a Palm device, no desktop needed), while having an open back-end using WebDAV. You'll still need a non-free connector to convert WebDAV to Outlook's proprietary synchronization API, but you have that issue with any "Exchange Replacement." Full discussion: http://lists.leap-cf.org/pipermail/leaplist/2004-March/038122.html -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 11:12:40 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GFCeJN013190 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:12:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9GFCdhk013189 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:12:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GFCcJN013185 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:12:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GFCbbN020995 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:12:37 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GFCGHt000626 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:12:16 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9GFCEB8014254 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:12:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] filesystem identification Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 12:43:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9GGhe3e013808 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 12:43:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GGhdJN013804 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 12:43:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GGh3bL024719 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 12:43:23 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GGgV26022740 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 12:42:31 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so62932rnk for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:42:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=RVDvFhuAYXJnIPhR6M3WNoFmWlZFkK/94z1f1Y9VQzgFkBCQmdU6RI+k1VAwP6C5UIQTVSbIwv3cn0ldVPP36Y/+hEB7z4asiCc8nLe5b11UGn3GQZb7gGsutwhzs8xLIs6sLxuERa4ZRWn7IDSQJQYn4BcvSA2s9MaJ5PQAb+g Received: by 10.38.77.61 with SMTP id z61mr573595rna; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.19 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e3104101609423985797d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 12:42:30 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] filesystem identification In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.488, required 6, AWL 2.41, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:12:14 -0400 (EDT), Eben King wrote: > OK, how does one identify the filesystem on a device? "file" says: > > [root@pc root]# file - < /dev/sda > standard input: x86 boot sector > > (/dev/sda is one of these, 0.5 GB: http://kasercorp.com/usbjumbo.cfm ) > > I successfully mounted it as ext2, but just because I happened to *know* > that was what it was. In general, what should I do? How about an offset > that'll skip ahead straight to the filesystem? > > offset in 1K blocks --vvv > dd if=/dev/sda bs=1024 skip=xxx | file - I never found a good solution to this other than trial && error. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 13:29:08 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GHSvJN014118 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:29:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9GHSvCM014117 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:28:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GHSpJN014113 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:28:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GHS5bL026567 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:28:25 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GHRj26030487 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:27:46 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=[192.168.2.103]) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIsL2-0008F5-Tf for slug@nks.net; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:27:29 -0700 Message-ID: <41715BBC.60101@apotheon.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:34:52 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040926) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] filesystem identification References: <1a3a3e3104101609423985797d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e3104101609423985797d@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.884, required 6, AWL 3.02, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: > On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:12:14 -0400 (EDT), Eben King > wrote: > >>OK, how does one identify the filesystem on a device? "file" says: >> >>[root@pc root]# file - < /dev/sda >>standard input: x86 boot sector >> >>(/dev/sda is one of these, 0.5 GB: http://kasercorp.com/usbjumbo.cfm ) >> >>I successfully mounted it as ext2, but just because I happened to *know* >>that was what it was. In general, what should I do? How about an offset >>that'll skip ahead straight to the filesystem? >> >> offset in 1K blocks --vvv >>dd if=/dev/sda bs=1024 skip=xxx | file - > > > I never found a good solution to this other than trial && error. I don't recall, but . . . is it possible to mount a drive or partition without knowing the filesystem type, even if it's not in fstab? If so, you should be able to mount it and use the mount command to find out. I'm pretty sure I've mounted something that wasn't in fstab without knowing the filesystem type, though I could be misremembering. In any case, some of the information spat out by running fsck on an unmounted filesystem might tell you what filesystem type it is. For instance, I ran fsck on a drive I thought was formatted ext3 and it informed me that fsck.reiserfs had been run on it, thus informing me that my guess at the filesystem type had been wrong. This also has the useful effect of telling you if the filesystem is damaged, in addition to telling you what type it is. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 13:43:44 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GHhhJN014230 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:43:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9GHhhWr014229 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:43:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GHhfJN014225 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:43:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GHhGbN027202 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:43:41 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GHgm26000080 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:42:48 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so71169rnk for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:42:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=OcdytNR543pGrZw2zxmx3JxwyWteeEzLmdEdnOh9IPI9Xly4jZ7hbmQGFBHl+V/GLbXOB1HLFhbmYuYqL/sLvaZdEk9mTvp1owSR8RKCXI+DR9Y8xbxvpLhKoVN2BmzzsxRqt3TqJ1dFSa4A3N+TZS4fEdtNSWL/zV3YzrkkJTA Received: by 10.38.72.80 with SMTP id u80mr744654rna; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.71.31 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:42:47 -0400 From: Knowles Burrell To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] filesystem identification In-Reply-To: <41715BBC.60101@apotheon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1a3a3e3104101609423985797d@mail.gmail.com> <41715BBC.60101@apotheon.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.805, required 6, AWL 2.10, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:34:52 -0400, Chad Perrin wrote: > Levi Bard wrote: > > On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:12:14 -0400 (EDT), Eben King > > wrote: > > > >>OK, how does one identify the filesystem on a device? "file" says: > >> > >>[root@pc root]# file - < /dev/sda > >>standard input: x86 boot sector > >> > >>(/dev/sda is one of these, 0.5 GB: http://kasercorp.com/usbjumbo.cfm ) > >> > >>I successfully mounted it as ext2, but just because I happened to *know* > >>that was what it was. In general, what should I do? How about an offset > >>that'll skip ahead straight to the filesystem? > >> > >> offset in 1K blocks --vvv > >>dd if=/dev/sda bs=1024 skip=xxx | file - > > > > > > I never found a good solution to this other than trial && error. > > I don't recall, but . . . is it possible to mount a drive or partition > without knowing the filesystem type, even if it's not in fstab? If so, > you should be able to mount it and use the mount command to find out. > I'm pretty sure I've mounted something that wasn't in fstab without > knowing the filesystem type, though I could be misremembering. > > In any case, some of the information spat out by running fsck on an > unmounted filesystem might tell you what filesystem type it is. For > instance, I ran fsck on a drive I thought was formatted ext3 and it > informed me that fsck.reiserfs had been run on it, thus informing me > that my guess at the filesystem type had been wrong. This also has the > useful effect of telling you if the filesystem is damaged, in addition > to telling you what type it is. > If I remember correctly you can moutn with auto as the filesystem. I want to say there is a way to check after that however I cant remember now. If I get a chance I will try something out to see if it shows. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 13:51:50 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GHpiJN014299 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:51:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9GHpd1X014298 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:51:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GHpcJN014294 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:51:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GHpTbN027569 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:51:29 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GHodHt005114 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:50:43 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so65882rnk for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:50:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Q9R3oj1jh1igD4Sus0N2jUh3JPhfKbr+ozmVtbUt5qweVor+MX3tNeiMxwHZRORP1A88L6Av1LUYoErYJdBhZZJE689b76Jy2PW+ZC38CtoiWhDcOmmOSEYKxsNPo0M6mkx0qLTcAd8n+dW6ZziCFQ7kRYf5Wt8sgqTMXCZO+Vs Received: by 10.38.99.68 with SMTP id w68mr609565rnb; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.19 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310410161050194ee99d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:50:34 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] filesystem identification In-Reply-To: <41715BBC.60101@apotheon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1a3a3e3104101609423985797d@mail.gmail.com> <41715BBC.60101@apotheon.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I don't recall, but . . . is it possible to mount a drive or partition > without knowing the filesystem type, even if it's not in fstab? If so, > you should be able to mount it and use the mount command to find out. > I'm pretty sure I've mounted something that wasn't in fstab without > knowing the filesystem type, though I could be misremembering. You can try mount -t auto (this may be implicit if a type isn't specified) , but this is kind of hit-or-miss. > In any case, some of the information spat out by running fsck on an > unmounted filesystem might tell you what filesystem type it is. For > instance, I ran fsck on a drive I thought was formatted ext3 and it > informed me that fsck.reiserfs had been run on it, thus informing me > that my guess at the filesystem type had been wrong. This also has the > useful effect of telling you if the filesystem is damaged, in addition > to telling you what type it is. That might be a good way. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 14:07:22 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GI7CJN014397 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:07:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9GI77YZ014396 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:07:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GI6oJN014388 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:06:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GI6obN028208 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:06:50 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GI6ZHt009873 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:06:35 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9GI6WNu019375 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410161806.i9GI6WNu019375@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- ? Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:04:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <1097904058.2500.140.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcSzQUtAEi5Rsx5tTiGaKrt72aW2ugAZXUHw X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > >>The connector and keyboard and mouse for a Sparc are not PC standard > >>but sun's standard! >>Meaning? >>PC does not necessarily mean better. I believe a case can be made that PC _IS_ better, for standard items like a keyboard and mouse. I love my MS Natural keyboard, and my Logitech mouse. I can't use them on a Sun. Sun's choice of unique connectors do not seem to offer any advantage, and certainly limits choices. There are many specialized input devices that people need. People with disabilities, for example. Ken Elliott 1832 Lombardy Dr. Clearwater FL 33755 cell 727-698-0276 http://web.tampabay.rr.com/kelliott4/ ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bryan J. Smith Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 1:21 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Re: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- ? On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 22:11, xcalibre wrote: > The connector and keyboard and mouse for a Sparc are not PC standard > but sun's standard! Meaning? PC does not necessarily mean better. USB is a perfect example. USB completely lacked standards and APIs, all of which have been retrofitted by good, standards-based companies. Intel and Microsoft designed the USB host to be a minimal effort on their part, all the effort on the end-device. That's why it took forever for it to catch on. Why many USB devices are very proprietary, Why many USB devices do not work on the same bus (except under Linux). And why most only work with one or two versions of Windows. It's getting better now thanx to retro-fitted standards. But the first 10 years have been a total mess. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 14:08:48 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GI8mJN014408 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:08:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9GI8bIK014407 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:08:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GI8UJN014403 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:08:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GI8UbL028278 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:08:30 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GI81Ht010143 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:08:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.160] (24285hfc156.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.156]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9GI7wlM028514 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:07:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "R.G. Mayhue" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] filesystem identification Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:07:53 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <1a3a3e3104101609423985797d@mail.gmail.com> <41715BBC.60101@apotheon.com> In-Reply-To: <41715BBC.60101@apotheon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410161407.53572.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 16 October 2004 01:34 pm, Chad Perrin wrote: > Levi Bard wrote: > > On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:12:14 -0400 (EDT), Eben King > > > > wrote: > >>OK, how does one identify the filesystem on a device? "file" says: > >> > >>[root@pc root]# file - < /dev/sda > >>standard input: x86 boot sector > >> > >>(/dev/sda is one of these, 0.5 GB: http://kasercorp.com/usbjumbo.cfm ) > >> > >>I successfully mounted it as ext2, but just because I happened to *know* > >>that was what it was. In general, what should I do? How about an offset > >>that'll skip ahead straight to the filesystem? > >> > >> offset in 1K blocks --vvv > >>dd if=/dev/sda bs=1024 skip=xxx | file - > > > > I never found a good solution to this other than trial && error. > > I don't recall, but . . . is it possible to mount a drive or partition > without knowing the filesystem type, even if it's not in fstab? If so, > you should be able to mount it and use the mount command to find out. > I'm pretty sure I've mounted something that wasn't in fstab without > knowing the filesystem type, though I could be misremembering. > Mount will probe the superblock for the filesystem type if no -t option is given. man 8 mount Look for the -t option for info and warnings ;-) -- rob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 14:18:34 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GIIXJN014494 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:18:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9GIIXva014493 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:18:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GIIWJN014489 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:18:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GIIVbL028666 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:18:31 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GII6Ht012405 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:18:06 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9GII4B8011651 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:18:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] filesystem identification In-Reply-To: <41715BBC.60101@apotheon.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Levi Bard wrote: > > On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:12:14 -0400 (EDT), Eben King > > wrote: > > > >>OK, how does one identify the filesystem on a device? "file" says: > >> > >>[root@pc root]# file - < /dev/sda > >>standard input: x86 boot sector > >> > >>(/dev/sda is one of these, 0.5 GB: http://kasercorp.com/usbjumbo.cfm ) > >> > >>I successfully mounted it as ext2, but just because I happened to *know* > >>that was what it was. In general, what should I do? How about an offset > >>that'll skip ahead straight to the filesystem? > >> > >> offset in 1K blocks --vvv > >>dd if=/dev/sda bs=1024 skip=xxx | file - > > > > > > I never found a good solution to this other than trial && error. > > I don't recall, but . . . is it possible to mount a drive or partition > without knowing the filesystem type, even if it's not in fstab? Sure, but if it's some filesystem you haven't compiled yet, you're SOL. Also, I have recent memories of "mount" mismounting a umsdos partition as FAT, too. Looks like filesystem damage -- all the names, ownership, permissions, some of the dates are trashed. Understandable, but still. > In any case, some of the information spat out by running fsck on an > unmounted filesystem might tell you what filesystem type it is. For > instance, I ran fsck on a drive I thought was formatted ext3 and it > informed me that fsck.reiserfs had been run on it, thus informing me > that my guess at the filesystem type had been wrong. This also has the > useful effect of telling you if the filesystem is damaged, in addition > to telling you what type it is. I've heard bad things about fsck.reiserfs, as in: if an ext[23] fileystem gets damaged, you'll get most of your files back, but if you're using reiserfs, hope your backup works. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Drive nail here > < for new monitor. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 14:46:06 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GIk6JN014723 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:46:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9GIk59T014722 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:46:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GIk4JN014718 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:46:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GIk3bL030115 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:46:03 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GIjdHt019924 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:45:39 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9GIjbB8025109 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:45:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] filesystem identification In-Reply-To: <200410161407.53572.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Saturday 16 October 2004 01:34 pm, Chad Perrin wrote: > > Levi Bard wrote: > > > On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:12:14 -0400 (EDT), Eben King > > > > > > wrote: > > >>OK, how does one identify the filesystem on a device? "file" says: > > >> > > >>[root@pc root]# file - < /dev/sda > > >>standard input: x86 boot sector > > >> > > >>(/dev/sda is one of these, 0.5 GB: http://kasercorp.com/usbjumbo.cfm ) > > >> > > >>I successfully mounted it as ext2, but just because I happened to *know* > > >>that was what it was. In general, what should I do? How about an offset > > >>that'll skip ahead straight to the filesystem? > > >> > > >> offset in 1K blocks --vvv > > >>dd if=/dev/sda bs=1024 skip=xxx | file - > > > > > > I never found a good solution to this other than trial && error. > > > > I don't recall, but . . . is it possible to mount a drive or partition > > without knowing the filesystem type, even if it's not in fstab? If so, > > you should be able to mount it and use the mount command to find out. > > I'm pretty sure I've mounted something that wasn't in fstab without > > knowing the filesystem type, though I could be misremembering. > > > > Mount will probe the superblock for the filesystem type if no -t option is > given. Only among those filesystems it knows about, and sometimes it guesses wrong (umsdos vs FAT). -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 15:01:29 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GJ1SJN014846 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:01:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9GJ1NZf014845 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:01:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GJ1LJN014841 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:01:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GJ1LbL030771 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:01:21 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GJ1C26014655 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:01:12 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.160] (24285hfc156.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.156]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9GJ15lM024512 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:01:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "R.G. Mayhue" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] filesystem identification Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:01:00 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410161501.00379.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.4, required 6, AWL 2.50, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 16 October 2004 02:45 pm, Eben King wrote: > On Sat, 16 Oct 2004, R.G. Mayhue wrote: > > On Saturday 16 October 2004 01:34 pm, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > Levi Bard wrote: > > > > On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:12:14 -0400 (EDT), Eben King > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > >>OK, how does one identify the filesystem on a device? "file" says: > > > >> > > > >>[root@pc root]# file - < /dev/sda > > > >>standard input: x86 boot sector > > > >> > > > >>(/dev/sda is one of these, 0.5 GB: http://kasercorp.com/usbjumbo.cfm > > > >> ) > > > >> > > > >>I successfully mounted it as ext2, but just because I happened to > > > >> *know* that was what it was. In general, what should I do? How > > > >> about an offset that'll skip ahead straight to the filesystem? > > > >> > > > >> offset in 1K blocks --vvv > > > >>dd if=/dev/sda bs=1024 skip=xxx | file - > > > > > > > > I never found a good solution to this other than trial && error. > > > > > > I don't recall, but . . . is it possible to mount a drive or partition > > > without knowing the filesystem type, even if it's not in fstab? If so, > > > you should be able to mount it and use the mount command to find out. > > > I'm pretty sure I've mounted something that wasn't in fstab without > > > knowing the filesystem type, though I could be misremembering. > > > > Mount will probe the superblock for the filesystem type if no -t option > > is given. > > Only among those filesystems it knows about, and sometimes it guesses > wrong (umsdos vs FAT). Which is why I said to look at the warning under the -t option. -- rob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 15:02:49 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GJ2mJN014863 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:02:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9GJ2mdf014862 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:02:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GJ2gJN014858 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:02:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GJ2fbL030854 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:02:41 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GJ2U26014841 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:02:30 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=[192.168.2.103]) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CItoj-0006EL-QH for slug@nks.net; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 12:02:13 -0700 Message-ID: <417171F2.8040007@apotheon.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:09:38 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040926) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] filesystem identification References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.661, required 6, AWL 2.59, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > > I've heard bad things about fsck.reiserfs, as in: if an ext[23] > fileystem gets damaged, you'll get most of your files back, but if you're > using reiserfs, hope your backup works. > The drive that was formatted reiserfs has been wiped and reformatted ext3, in any case. It's a non-issue now. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 15:11:48 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GJBmJN014934 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:11:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9GJBlTO014933 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:11:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GJBkJN014929 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:11:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GJBjbN031193 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:11:45 -0400 Received: from invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net (invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.254]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GJAtHt026506 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:10:56 -0400 Received: from user-12hckbe.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.81.110] helo=blackgold) by invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CItx9-0006u6-05 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 12:10:55 -0700 Message-ID: <003301c4b3b4$3e742220$6401a8c0@earthlink.net> From: "xcalibre" To: References: <200410161806.i9GI6WNu019375@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- ? Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:13:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ELNK-Trace: 16b8c79b0b06377a9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d5f02c66d8031152cd3dc479b2548fe61350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.22.81.110 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well try using a PS2 natural on a MAC! BP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Elliott" To: Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 2:04 PM Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- ? > > >>The connector and keyboard and mouse for a Sparc are not PC standard > > >>but sun's standard! > > >>Meaning? > >>PC does not necessarily mean better. > > I believe a case can be made that PC _IS_ better, for standard items like a > keyboard and mouse. I love my MS Natural keyboard, and my Logitech mouse. > I can't use them on a Sun. Sun's choice of unique connectors do not seem to > offer any advantage, and certainly limits choices. There are many > specialized input devices that people need. People with disabilities, for > example. > > Ken Elliott > 1832 Lombardy Dr. > Clearwater FL 33755 > cell 727-698-0276 > > http://web.tampabay.rr.com/kelliott4/ > ===================== > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bryan J. Smith > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 1:21 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] Re: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- ? > > On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 22:11, xcalibre wrote: > > The connector and keyboard and mouse for a Sparc are not PC standard > > but sun's standard! > > Meaning? > PC does not necessarily mean better. > USB is a perfect example. > > > USB completely lacked standards and APIs, all of which have been retrofitted > by good, standards-based companies. > Intel and Microsoft designed the USB host to be a minimal effort on their > part, all the effort on the end-device. > That's why it took forever for it to catch on. > Why many USB devices are very proprietary, Why many USB devices do not work > on the same bus (except under Linux). > And why most only work with one or two versions of Windows. > It's getting better now thanx to retro-fitted standards. > But the first 10 years have been a total mess. > > > -- > Bryan J. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 16:06:03 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GK62JN015299 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:06:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9GK62NE015298 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:06:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GK5uJN015290 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:05:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GK5tbL000953 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:05:55 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GK5j26025124 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:05:49 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9GK5hZo014700 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:05:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] filesystem identification In-Reply-To: <200410161501.00379.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Saturday 16 October 2004 02:45 pm, Eben King wrote: > > On Sat, 16 Oct 2004, R.G. Mayhue wrote: > > > On Saturday 16 October 2004 01:34 pm, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > Levi Bard wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:12:14 -0400 (EDT), Eben King > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> In general, what should I do? > > > > > > > > > > I never found a good solution to this other than trial && error. > > > > > > > > I don't recall, but . . . is it possible to mount a drive or partition > > > > without knowing the filesystem type, even if it's not in fstab? > > > > > > Mount will probe the superblock for the filesystem type if no -t option > > > is given. > > > > Only among those filesystems it knows about, and sometimes it guesses > > wrong (umsdos vs FAT). > > Which is why I said to look at the warning under the -t option. I see the part of mount.8 about vfstype (lines 160-211 on my screen). What in there would help me identify an unknown, support-uncompiled filesystem? Or were you only talking about the order in which it guesses (/etc/filesystems IIRC)? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Your pretended fear lest error might step in is like the man who would keep all wine out of the country lest men should be drunk. -- Oliver Cromwell ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 17:06:18 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GL6HJN015697 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:06:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9GL6HQM015696 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:06:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9GL6GJN015692 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:06:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GL6FbP003330 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:06:15 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9GL5oHt021233 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:05:51 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CIvkG-0005AQ-GX for slug@nks.net; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:05:44 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] filesystem identification Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:05:46 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410161705.46428.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 16 October 2004 11:12 am, Eben King wrote: > OK, how does one identify the filesystem on a device? "file" says: > > [root@pc root]# file - < /dev/sda > standard input: x86 boot sector > > (/dev/sda is one of these, 0.5 GB: http://kasercorp.com/usbjumbo.cfm ) > > I successfully mounted it as ext2, but just because I happened to *know* > that was what it was. In general, what should I do? How about an offset > that'll skip ahead straight to the filesystem? > > offset in 1K blocks --vvv > dd if=/dev/sda bs=1024 skip=xxx | file - Well my first answer was use fdisk. It will list the filesystems. But that's not entirely true. It only recognizes types of partitions. You can however recognize all supported filesystems using 'fsck -N /dev/hda1'. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 20:09:22 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9H09MJN016951 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:09:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9H09L2A016950 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:09:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9H09KJN016946 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:09:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9H09KbL010749 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:09:20 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9H08xHt030703 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:08:59 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00A1FF926 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:09:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Open source Exchange server for linux. (wish I had time for doom3!) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:14:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <004201c4b386$1f61cff0$c902a8c0@opus> <1097937599.2500.225.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> In-Reply-To: <1097937599.2500.225.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410162014.25030.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I had to do this for a client once. It was a while back. In the end, we decided on IBM's Domino. He doesn't like it nor does he like IBM :( This may be a somewhat antiquated, but it's a start. I may have already posted this to the list some months ago: Bynari Insight server http://www.bynari.net/ Easygate Workgroup server http://www.easygate.de/EasyGate/Home Novell Groupwise http://www.groupwise.com/ IBM's Lotus Domino http://www.lotus.com/ Samsung SDS Contact http://www.samsungcontact.com/en/ Stalker Communigate Pro 4 http://www.stalker.com/ SuSE Openexchange Server 4 http://www.suse.com/us/business/products/openexchange/ Oracle Collaboration Server http://otn.oracle.com/products/cs/index.html Billworkgroup's Exchange4Linux http://www.billworkgroup.org/billworkgroup/home Kroupware Project http://www.kroupware.org/ PHPgroupware http://www.phpgroupware.org/ ..and don't forget those just mentioned on the list. James Marcinek (SLUG member) totally loves www.opengroupware.org. I don't know about the egroupware.org. I would love to hear more of your findings and finally what you decide to go with. This kind technology is really exciting. I remember someone on (Slashdot or Freshmeat?) complaining how there wasn't any collab server for Linux and how how many programmers were coding on a myriad of MP3 players when we needed these. Now, take a look! /mario On Saturday 16 October 2004 10:39, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 09:43, Patrick Grantham wrote: > > Rather than avoid setting up a MS box with exchange server for > > collaborative functionality in MS outlook, what are some recommended > > email server packages for linux? I have studied Open exchange from Suse > > and I am sure it's a fine package. Suggestions on an open source > > package? > > I thought there was a "open source project for this. I can't seem to > > find it. > > There are a lot of "Exchange Replacements" out there, but many are > proprietary -- typically at the server storage end. OpenGroupware.ORG > (OGo) is the most powerful back-end I've ever seen, supporting > everything from Evolution to Palm (i.e., direct access over the network > by a Palm device, no desktop needed), while having an open back-end > using WebDAV. You'll still need a non-free connector to convert WebDAV > to Outlook's proprietary synchronization API, but you have that issue > with any "Exchange Replacement." > > Full discussion: > http://lists.leap-cf.org/pipermail/leaplist/2004-March/038122.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 20:41:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9H0fHJN017202 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:41:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9H0fGGk017201 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:41:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9H0fFJN017197 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:41:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9H0fFbL012076 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:41:15 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f33.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f33.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.149]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9H0fA26002544 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:41:11 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-217-116.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.217.116] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by asmtp-a063f33.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIz6l-0005NG-0F for slug@nks.net; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:41:11 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- poor assumptions (as usual from PC users) From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410161806.i9GI6WNu019375@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200410161806.i9GI6WNu019375@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1097973669.2500.339.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:41:09 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec793e9047b4cfa6bcf972438a6db6743ab7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.217.116 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 14:04, Ken Elliott wrote: > I believe a case can be made that PC _IS_ better, for standard items like a > keyboard and mouse. I love my MS Natural keyboard, and my Logitech mouse. > I can't use them on a Sun. Sun's choice of unique connectors do not seem to > offer any advantage, and certainly limits choices. First off, you _can_ use those on a Sun system. Secondly, sounds like personal preference to me. You seemingly make the case that Sun does not offer equivalents. Lastly, SUN _does_ support USB now. > There are many specialized input devices that people need. People with > disabilities, for example. You assume SUN does not provide such? Poor assumption. Sun is _the_ company that has provided the code and support in GNOME for extra accessibility. They won the Hellen Keller award for it. Maybe you've heard of Looking Glass? It's not about 3D, but next generation _input_ as well as output. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 21:37:35 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9H1bYJN017594 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:37:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9H1bYsG017593 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:37:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9H1bRJN017589 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:37:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9H1bRbL014611 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:37:27 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9H1b6Ht019210 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:37:06 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=[192.168.2.103]) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CIzyj-0006Xq-DL for slug@nks.net; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:36:57 -0700 Message-ID: <4171CE74.7070004@apotheon.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:44:20 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040926) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Open source Exchange server for linux. (wish I had time for doom3!) References: <004201c4b386$1f61cff0$c902a8c0@opus> <1097937599.2500.225.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <200410162014.25030.mario@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: <200410162014.25030.mario@alienscience.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mario Lombardo wrote: > I had to do this for a client once. It was a while back. In the end, we > decided on IBM's Domino. He doesn't like it nor does he like IBM :( This > may be a somewhat antiquated, but it's a start. I may have already posted > this to the list some months ago: > > Bynari Insight server > http://www.bynari.net/ > > Easygate Workgroup server > http://www.easygate.de/EasyGate/Home > > Novell Groupwise > http://www.groupwise.com/ > > IBM's Lotus Domino > http://www.lotus.com/ > > Samsung SDS Contact > http://www.samsungcontact.com/en/ > > Stalker Communigate Pro 4 > http://www.stalker.com/ > > SuSE Openexchange Server 4 > http://www.suse.com/us/business/products/openexchange/ > > Oracle Collaboration Server > http://otn.oracle.com/products/cs/index.html > > Billworkgroup's Exchange4Linux > http://www.billworkgroup.org/billworkgroup/home > > Kroupware Project > http://www.kroupware.org/ > > PHPgroupware > http://www.phpgroupware.org/ > > ..and don't forget those just mentioned on the list. James Marcinek (SLUG > member) totally loves www.opengroupware.org. I don't know about the > egroupware.org. > > I would love to hear more of your findings and finally what you decide to go > with. This kind technology is really exciting. I remember someone on > (Slashdot or Freshmeat?) complaining how there wasn't any collab server for > Linux and how how many programmers were coding on a myriad of MP3 players > when we needed these. Now, take a look! > > /mario > > > On Saturday 16 October 2004 10:39, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > >>On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 09:43, Patrick Grantham wrote: >> >>>Rather than avoid setting up a MS box with exchange server for >>>collaborative functionality in MS outlook, what are some recommended >>>email server packages for linux? I have studied Open exchange from Suse >>>and I am sure it's a fine package. Suggestions on an open source >>>package? >>>I thought there was a "open source project for this. I can't seem to >>>find it. >> >>There are a lot of "Exchange Replacements" out there, but many are >>proprietary -- typically at the server storage end. OpenGroupware.ORG >>(OGo) is the most powerful back-end I've ever seen, supporting >>everything from Evolution to Palm (i.e., direct access over the network >>by a Palm device, no desktop needed), while having an open back-end >>using WebDAV. You'll still need a non-free connector to convert WebDAV >>to Outlook's proprietary synchronization API, but you have that issue >>with any "Exchange Replacement." >> >>Full discussion: >>http://lists.leap-cf.org/pipermail/leaplist/2004-March/038122.html > Outta curiosity: Do you happen to know if any of the open-source offerings are taped togethere with Perl? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 16 22:02:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9H22gJN017784 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:02:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9H22gTh017783 for slug-track29; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:02:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9H22eJN017779 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:02:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9H22ebN015669 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:02:40 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9H22Q26016701 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:02:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76916FFA0C for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:02:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Open source Exchange server for linux. (wish I had time for doom3!) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:06:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <004201c4b386$1f61cff0$c902a8c0@opus> <200410162014.25030.mario@alienscience.com> <4171CE74.7070004@apotheon.com> In-Reply-To: <4171CE74.7070004@apotheon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410162206.11148.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.678, required 6, AWL 2.12, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 16 October 2004 21:44, Chad Perrin wrote: > Mario Lombardo wrote: > > I had to do this for a client once. It was a while back. In the end, we > > decided on IBM's Domino. He doesn't like it nor does he like IBM :( > > This may be a somewhat antiquated, but it's a start. I may have already > > posted this to the list some months ago: > > > > Bynari Insight server > > http://www.bynari.net/ > > > > Easygate Workgroup server > > http://www.easygate.de/EasyGate/Home > > > > Novell Groupwise > > http://www.groupwise.com/ > > > > IBM's Lotus Domino > > http://www.lotus.com/ > > > > Samsung SDS Contact > > http://www.samsungcontact.com/en/ > > > > Stalker Communigate Pro 4 > > http://www.stalker.com/ > > > > SuSE Openexchange Server 4 > > http://www.suse.com/us/business/products/openexchange/ > > > > Oracle Collaboration Server > > http://otn.oracle.com/products/cs/index.html > > > > Billworkgroup's Exchange4Linux > > http://www.billworkgroup.org/billworkgroup/home > > > > Kroupware Project > > http://www.kroupware.org/ > > > > PHPgroupware > > http://www.phpgroupware.org/ > > > > ..and don't forget those just mentioned on the list. James Marcinek > > (SLUG member) totally loves www.opengroupware.org. I don't know about > > the egroupware.org. > > > > I would love to hear more of your findings and finally what you decide to > > go with. This kind technology is really exciting. I remember someone on > > (Slashdot or Freshmeat?) complaining how there wasn't any collab server > > for Linux and how how many programmers were coding on a myriad of MP3 > > players when we needed these. Now, take a look! > > > > /mario > > > > On Saturday 16 October 2004 10:39, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > >>On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 09:43, Patrick Grantham wrote: > >>>Rather than avoid setting up a MS box with exchange server for > >>>collaborative functionality in MS outlook, what are some recommended > >>>email server packages for linux? I have studied Open exchange from Suse > >>>and I am sure it's a fine package. Suggestions on an open source > >>>package? > >>>I thought there was a "open source project for this. I can't seem to > >>>find it. > >> > >>There are a lot of "Exchange Replacements" out there, but many are > >>proprietary -- typically at the server storage end. OpenGroupware.ORG > >>(OGo) is the most powerful back-end I've ever seen, supporting > >>everything from Evolution to Palm (i.e., direct access over the network > >>by a Palm device, no desktop needed), while having an open back-end > >>using WebDAV. You'll still need a non-free connector to convert WebDAV > >>to Outlook's proprietary synchronization API, but you have that issue > >>with any "Exchange Replacement." > >> > >>Full discussion: > >>http://lists.leap-cf.org/pipermail/leaplist/2004-March/038122.html > > Outta curiosity: Do you happen to know if any of the open-source > offerings are taped togethere with Perl? Not I. Sorry /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 17 00:44:58 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9H4iqJN018911 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:44:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9H4ilDl018910 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:44:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9H4ieJN018906 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:44:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9H4iWbL023016 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:44:33 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9H4haHt000709 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:43:36 -0400 Received: from pool-1.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.181] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.03m/96) id 8O67700 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:42:34 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] kmail annoyance Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:06:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410170006.51266.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers, Not a big deal but annoying. When one opens a new mail and pulls down the menu for the "To:" e-mail address You get several choices depending of course on how many categories you have set up in the address book. Those are created by the user and are found as the std.vcf files. There is an extra category which is created by Kmail and is listed as "Recent addresses". It is getting very long and has many incorrect entries from quite some time past. An annoyance to me. I have searched everywhere that I can think of to see where this file may be and delete it. Anybody know?? And better yet do you know how to stop this wonderful feature from working? Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 17 08:58:53 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HCwrJN022469 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:58:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9HCwlE6022468 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:58:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HCwjJN022464 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:58:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HCwjbL013328 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:58:45 -0400 Received: from imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.69]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HCwP26032321 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:58:25 -0400 Received: from opus ([68.18.30.194]) by imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20041017125821.BGII2413.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@opus> for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:58:21 -0400 From: "Patrick Grantham" To: Subject: requirement. RE: [SLUG] Open source Exchange server for linux. (wish I had time for doom3!) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:58:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c4b448$faff0b00$c902a8c0@opus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200410162206.11148.mario@alienscience.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.508, required 6, AWL 1.69, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks for the input. Based on the responses, it seemed to be correctly inferred that the client wishes to be able to continue to outlook as the email client. As such, any solution needs to have a hook/pipe/connector for outlook. --Patrick -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Mario Lombardo Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 10:06 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Open source Exchange server for linux. (wish I had time for doom3!) On Saturday 16 October 2004 21:44, Chad Perrin wrote: > Mario Lombardo wrote: > > I had to do this for a client once. It was a while back. In the end, we > > decided on IBM's Domino. He doesn't like it nor does he like IBM :( > > This may be a somewhat antiquated, but it's a start. I may have already > > posted this to the list some months ago: > > > > Bynari Insight server > > http://www.bynari.net/ > > > > Easygate Workgroup server > > http://www.easygate.de/EasyGate/Home > > > > Novell Groupwise > > http://www.groupwise.com/ > > > > IBM's Lotus Domino > > http://www.lotus.com/ > > > > Samsung SDS Contact > > http://www.samsungcontact.com/en/ > > > > Stalker Communigate Pro 4 > > http://www.stalker.com/ > > > > SuSE Openexchange Server 4 > > http://www.suse.com/us/business/products/openexchange/ > > > > Oracle Collaboration Server > > http://otn.oracle.com/products/cs/index.html > > > > Billworkgroup's Exchange4Linux > > http://www.billworkgroup.org/billworkgroup/home > > > > Kroupware Project > > http://www.kroupware.org/ > > > > PHPgroupware > > http://www.phpgroupware.org/ > > > > ..and don't forget those just mentioned on the list. James Marcinek > > (SLUG member) totally loves www.opengroupware.org. I don't know about > > the egroupware.org. > > > > I would love to hear more of your findings and finally what you decide to > > go with. This kind technology is really exciting. I remember someone on > > (Slashdot or Freshmeat?) complaining how there wasn't any collab server > > for Linux and how how many programmers were coding on a myriad of MP3 > > players when we needed these. Now, take a look! > > > > /mario > > > > On Saturday 16 October 2004 10:39, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > >>On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 09:43, Patrick Grantham wrote: > >>>Rather than avoid setting up a MS box with exchange server for > >>>collaborative functionality in MS outlook, what are some recommended > >>>email server packages for linux? I have studied Open exchange from Suse > >>>and I am sure it's a fine package. Suggestions on an open source > >>>package? > >>>I thought there was a "open source project for this. I can't seem to > >>>find it. > >> > >>There are a lot of "Exchange Replacements" out there, but many are > >>proprietary -- typically at the server storage end. OpenGroupware.ORG > >>(OGo) is the most powerful back-end I've ever seen, supporting > >>everything from Evolution to Palm (i.e., direct access over the network > >>by a Palm device, no desktop needed), while having an open back-end > >>using WebDAV. You'll still need a non-free connector to convert WebDAV > >>to Outlook's proprietary synchronization API, but you have that issue > >>with any "Exchange Replacement." > >> > >>Full discussion: > >>http://lists.leap-cf.org/pipermail/leaplist/2004-March/038122.html > > Outta curiosity: Do you happen to know if any of the open-source > offerings are taped togethere with Perl? Not I. Sorry /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 17 09:44:52 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HDipJN022802 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:44:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9HDipoA022801 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:44:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HDinJN022797 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:44:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HDinbN015218 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:44:49 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.220]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HDig26007247 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:44:42 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-217-116.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.217.116] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CJBKz-000518-Md for slug@nks.net; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 06:44:41 -0700 Subject: Re: requirement. RE: [SLUG] Open source Exchange server for linux. (wish I had time for doom3!) From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <000101c4b448$faff0b00$c902a8c0@opus> References: <000101c4b448$faff0b00$c902a8c0@opus> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1098020681.2576.69.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:44:41 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7921e87b60901112a852d8d0d8d16a4ebf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.217.116 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 08:58, Patrick Grantham wrote: > Thanks for the input. Based on the responses, it seemed to be correctly > inferred that the client wishes to be able to continue to outlook as the > email client. As such, any solution needs to have a hook/pipe/connector for > outlook. Then you will pay for that. There is no free "connector" that provides _full_ server-side storage _and_ scheduling. At best, one of the "iCal[endar]" systems will let you publish free/busy time (which uses standard FTP/HTTP) to/from Outlook. But it never seems to work well for me (especially with certain versions of Outlook). At this time I recommend OpenGroupware.ORG (OGo), because it gives you a powerful storage and scheduling back-end that is completely open. It provides Web, iCal, Palm and WebDAV access (with connectors for WebDAV-to-native for Evolution, free, and Outlook, commercial). OGo seems to do anything any other system can for collaboration, storage and scheduling. A lot of systems either don't have the same features (some are web-only, limited iCal scheduling, etc...), or do, but the storage back-end is proprietary (e.g., MAPI connector for Outlook is proprietary, or things like Bynari use standard IMAP, but store in a format that is not so open). You'll need to by Outlook Connector licenses from SKYRiX, but it's worth it. Otherwise, you can use web-based access. BTW, the GPL'ing of SuSE OpenXchange _lacks_ a lot of the commercial version's capabilities. It's only the Java-based collaboration component and that, by itself from what I've heard secondhand, is not as good as OGo (especially when it comes to administration). Had Novell GPL'd the entire product (including the LDAP/IMAP portions), that would be different. In fact, many sites run the commercial SuSE OpenXchange for the LDAP/IMAP messenging component, and then OpenGroupware.ORG for the Web/iCal/Palm/WebDAV collaboration, storage, scheduling component. -- Bryan J. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 17 09:48:55 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HDmsJN022831 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:48:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9HDmrXJ022830 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:48:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HDmqJN022826 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:48:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HDmhbL015378 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:48:47 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HDmSHt000393 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:48:28 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9HDmQlM017152 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410171348.i9HDmQlM017152@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- why should this be necessary? Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:46:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <1097973669.2500.339.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcSz43475m0FlU0WTUOUdRL2aPtM/QAZQivA X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>First off, you _can_ use those on a Sun system. But didn't this thread start off by someone looking for a KVM switch, complaining about Sun's use of different connectors? >>Secondly, sounds like personal preference to me. Of course. That was my point. I want freedom of choice, not to be locked into what one vendor chooses to make available. And to be able to use common KVM switches found at local stores. >>You seemingly make the case that Sun does not offer equivalents. As far as I know, Sun doesn't. Here's examples of what kind of input devices I'm talking about: http://www.fingerworks.com/ http://www.maltron.com/ >>Maybe you've heard of Looking Glass? When I looked at it, it seems like "bling" to me. There's lots of 3D interface work, and over 15 years, none of it has ever taken hold, because none of it has ever proven to be anything but "cool demo-ware". I'm amused by them calling it "true 3D" when it displays on a 2D device. Even the CAD world has still been dragging in 2D to 3D conversion. It seems cool to flip a window around to make notes, but when you use it, you hide the content. So, you end up flipping the screen back-and-forth. A pop-up note window works far better. Another case of looks cool, doesn't really work well, and eats CPU cycles, while obsolescing older hardware. Great for Sun, bad for users. Can't see what this has to do with the issue of special connectors preventing the use a standard KVM switches, though. >> poor assumptions (asusual from PC users) Odd, that you assume I'm "just" a PC user - a poor assumption on _your_ part. My point is that use of common connectors and interfaces is desirable, when possible. That allows us for example, to buy a KVM switch from a local store. You offer no case as to why Sun's choice is of any advantage. If there is, please be so kind as to educate me. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bryan J. Smith Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 8:41 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- poor assumptions (asusual from PC users) On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 14:04, Ken Elliott wrote: > I believe a case can be made that PC _IS_ better, for standard items > like a keyboard and mouse. I love my MS Natural keyboard, and my Logitech mouse. > I can't use them on a Sun. Sun's choice of unique connectors do not > seem to offer any advantage, and certainly limits choices. First off, you _can_ use those on a Sun system. Secondly, sounds like personal preference to me. You seemingly make the case that Sun does not offer equivalents. Lastly, SUN _does_ support USB now. > There are many specialized input devices that people need. People > with disabilities, for example. You assume SUN does not provide such? Poor assumption. Sun is _the_ company that has provided the code and support in GNOME for extra accessibility. They won the Hellen Keller award for it. Maybe you've heard of Looking Glass? It's not about 3D, but next generation _input_ as well as output. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 17 10:48:06 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HEm6JN023242 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:48:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9HEm5PE023241 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:48:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HEm3JN023237 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:48:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HEm3bN017723 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:48:03 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.220]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HElr26016925 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:47:54 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-217-116.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.217.116] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CJCK8-00038C-Ki for slug@nks.net; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 07:47:52 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- why should this be necessary? From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410171348.i9HDmQlM017152@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200410171348.i9HDmQlM017152@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1098024471.2576.97.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:47:51 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ff5aaf9adcf9b22b2fd28127d836247f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.217.116 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 09:46, Ken Elliott wrote: > But didn't this thread start off by someone looking for a KVM switch, > complaining about Sun's use of different connectors? Yes, and I pointed out there _are_ KVMs with _both_ PC and SUN. Furthermore, PS/2 is quite _PC_only_, as well as the PC layout. By your same view, old Mac, Digital, etc... are "proprietary." Just because it's not "commodity" doesn't mean "proprietary." In fact, Digital's 12-year old serial bus was better than USB. Lastly, you _can_ buy a USB KVM switch and it solves the problem nicely for _all_ newer systems -- be it PC, Mac, SUN, etc... > Of course. That was my point. I want freedom of choice, not to be locked > into what one vendor chooses to make available. It's _not_ "lock-in." SUN _will_ take a PC keyboard/mouse, as well as newer USB devices. Stop calling it "lock-in"! > And to be able to use common KVM switches found at local stores. And that's understandable -- i.e., you prefer "commodity." But just because it is not "commodity" doesn't mean "lock-in" or "proprietary." > As far as I know, Sun doesn't. Here's examples of what kind of input > devices I'm talking about: > http://www.fingerworks.com/ > http://www.maltron.com/ Here you are lecturing _me_ on "vendors" and yet you provide _vendor_ sites? Of course, some vendors are going to be PC-only. But that does _not_ mean _other_vendors_ do not exist that provide the same for SUN, Mac, etc...! Get off it dude! > When I looked at it, it seems like "bling" to me. There's lots of 3D > interface work, and over 15 years, none of it has ever taken hold, because > none of it has ever proven to be anything but "cool demo-ware". That's because 99% of the IT media and IT professionals out there have _totally_missed_ the fact that Looking Glass is _not_ about 3D! They have provided a "technology demonstration" that shows off its 3D capabilities, but Looking Glass itself is a "next generation subsystem with API" for X. > I'm amused by them calling it "true 3D" when it displays on a 2D device. That's because the "next generation subsystem with API" that is _fully_ 3D -- from input to output. Of course, people like yourself don't bother to read the technical documentation, so you don't know this. Read up on what "Looking Glass" _is_ -- not what the media says about just the "technology demonstration." Honest to God, it's bad enough I deal with Windows people who don't bother to "read all the details," but com'mon, I'm sick of this on a Linux list. I guess that's why I make the big bucks. I read the hardcore stuff, and predict changes in the industry 3+ years before they happen. I can also explain why companies do things, from a non-enthusiast point of view. I can even explain Microsoft (e.g., you first have to understand they are an investment company, not a software company). > Even the CAD world has still been dragging in 2D to 3D conversion. Define "CAD" because a lot of people think "CAD" means Autodesk products and no one else. That's just said, especially when you ignore CAM, modeling and, even more so, EDA. > It seems cool to flip a window around to make notes, Again, _stop_ assuming "Looking Glass" = "technology demonstration." Read up on what Looking Glass _is_. > but when you use it, you hide the content. So, you end up flipping the > screen back-and-forth. A pop-up note window works far better. I can't even respond because you're talking about the "technology demonstration." That is _not_ the Looking Glass project, just a sample of what it can do on today's input/output devices. When you see Looking Glass on an LCD+lenticular screen, with eyeball tracking, you'll see what it's capable of. It's a _true_ 3D output _and_ input subsystem and API, tying into X, although augmenting it heavily. > Another case of looks cool, doesn't really work well, and > eats CPU cycles, while obsolescing older hardware. Great for Sun, bad for > users. Can't see what this has to do with the issue of special connectors > preventing the use a standard KVM switches, though. Exactly. Because you started talking about the "technology demonstration" instead of focusing on what I was trying to talk about, that Sun has furthered "accessibility" with various components in GNOME through their latest Looking Glass project. The problem is that most people only assume things based on what they know. I recommend you go research Sun Microsystems, look at all the _standards_ they adhere to and create, read up on their GNOME accessibility donations and read up more on Looking Glass and what it _really_does_ to Linux/X. > Odd, that you assume I'm "just" a PC user - a poor assumption on _your_ > part. I make that assumption based on your responses. You obviously are not familiar with the details I discussed. And you seem to be argumentative about things you don't know about -- e.g., Looking Glass. Looking Glass is probably the most misunderstood project right now. That's typically of the IT media and professionals who look at the "eye candy" of a "demo" and not the technical substance in the project. > My point is that use of common connectors and interfaces is desirable, when > possible. That allows us for example, to buy a KVM switch from a local > store. You offer no case as to why Sun's choice is of any advantage. I _never_ said SUN offered an "advantage." I did say PC is not necessarily better. Especially since "commodity" is not necessarily better. PS/2 and DB15 is very PC-centric, commodity, but not necessarily better. Apple, Sun and, especially, Digital serial buses were better than USB. And 13W3 is a far better video connector than DB15. I never said "commodity" didn't have its advantages. But I _did_ say it was not necessarily "better" because of them. PC users seem to not differentiate between the two. And that's why most PC hardware is Windows version-specific. Hence the "superstore profit model" which I have discussed in detail elsewhere. And why AOL, Microsoft and other hardware/software companies own significant percentages of Best Buy, Circuit City, CompUSA, etc... > If there is, please be so kind as to educate me. Again, don't confuse "commodity" with "better." Also read up on Sun. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 17 11:00:06 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HF00JN023323 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:00:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9HF00ba023322 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:00:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HExwJN023318 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:59:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HExwbL018158 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:59:58 -0400 Received: from mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.228]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HExpHt016427 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:59:51 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-217-116.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.217.116] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CJCVi-0000fT-Oo for slug@nks.net; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 07:59:50 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- Looking Glass From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410171348.i9HDmQlM017152@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200410171348.i9HDmQlM017152@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1098025189.2576.115.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:59:49 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ad2264b359320f0d8ec3477cbe41fa76350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.217.116 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 09:46, Ken Elliott wrote: > Another case of looks cool, doesn't really work well, and eats CPU cycles, > while obsolescing older hardware. Yet more poor assumptions. X11 as it stands right now as popularly implemented is technology layer upon technology layer, some 2D, some 3D (e.g., OpenGL on X11, GLX), some specialized modules for different input, etc... Win32-GDI has the same issue as well. Looking Glass replaces all those mega-overhead layers with an efficient, universal subsystem for input and output -- including 3D far from a "traditional sense." It then provides full compatibility alongside X11 (or even Win32-GDI) for backward compatibility for programs that need it. The result is that Looking Glass is _more_efficient_ and _faster_. Many projects out there are trying to duplicate what Apple did with QuartzExtreme (Aqua on Framebuffer), such as Xorg/Freedesktop "Cairo" and Microsoft .NET/"Avalon." That's still just a 2D approach at the subsystem/API. Looking Glass goes well beyond. And getting back to the original spirit of the "input" thread, Looking Glass is the _only_ API that _finally_ unifies _input_. Sun has always looking far ahead of the PC world, it always has, it always will. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 17 11:41:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HFfFJN023622 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:41:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9HFf9qE023621 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:41:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HFf7JN023617 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:41:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HFf7bL019883 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:41:07 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HFeo26025817 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:40:50 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9HFelT4000402 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410171540.i9HFelT4000402@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- why should this benecessary? Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:39:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <1098024471.2576.97.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcS0WmBdHotGA6JxTV2QNbrdN8TjcAAAPQQg X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.92, required 6, AWL 1.98, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>Here you are lecturing _me_ on "vendors" and yet you provide _vendor_ sites? Did I come across as lecturing? Sorry. I only wanted to provide examples of why I prefer commodity interfaces. >>99% of the IT media and IT professionals out there have _totally_missed_ the fact that Looking Glass is _not_ about 3D! >>Looking Glass is probably the most misunderstood project right now. I checked Sun's site and that seemed to be what they were saying about the product. From what you say, it would appear that Sun doesn't do a very good job of describing the product. I don't have time to research every detail about technology that doesn't pertain to my missions. Perhaps you should suggest to Sun that they do a better job in describing their vision. >>It's a _true_ 3D output I'd have to disagree. A 5-axis mill is a true 3D output device, as is a stereo lithography system. Most such systems I've used could more accurately be called a 3D simulation. And true 3D 6-axis-of-freedom input systems exist. >>Define "CAD" because a lot of people think "CAD" means Autodesk products and no one else. That's just said, especially when you ignore CAM, modeling and, even more so, EDA. I would suggest that if you want to discuss CAD, you should consider researching the subject. The conversion of the market from 2D drafting to 3D is far from over, and is a hotly debated issue among CAD professionals. In a nutshell, the vendors think the users are stupid and the users are mad about the severe limitations of pretty much all the systems. While you can find some who have great success with 3D CAD, you find many more with horror stories of missed deadlines and failed projects. But this is another topic for another forum. >>And 13W3 is a far better video connector than DB15. Agreed. This will be my last post on this subject. I consider Brian to be a very intelligent and well informed expert. But it appears my replies have come across to him as an attack. I'm sorry to everyone on this list for wasting the bandwidth of this non-Linux topic. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bryan J. Smith Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 10:48 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- why should this benecessary? On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 09:46, Ken Elliott wrote: > But didn't this thread start off by someone looking for a KVM switch, > complaining about Sun's use of different connectors? Yes, and I pointed out there _are_ KVMs with _both_ PC and SUN. Furthermore, PS/2 is quite _PC_only_, as well as the PC layout. By your same view, old Mac, Digital, etc... are "proprietary." Just because it's not "commodity" doesn't mean "proprietary." In fact, Digital's 12-year old serial bus was better than USB. Lastly, you _can_ buy a USB KVM switch and it solves the problem nicely for _all_ newer systems -- be it PC, Mac, SUN, etc... > Of course. That was my point. I want freedom of choice, not to be > locked into what one vendor chooses to make available. It's _not_ "lock-in." SUN _will_ take a PC keyboard/mouse, as well as newer USB devices. Stop calling it "lock-in"! > And to be able to use common KVM switches found at local stores. And that's understandable -- i.e., you prefer "commodity." But just because it is not "commodity" doesn't mean "lock-in" or "proprietary." > As far as I know, Sun doesn't. Here's examples of what kind of input > devices I'm talking about: > http://www.fingerworks.com/ > http://www.maltron.com/ Here you are lecturing _me_ on "vendors" and yet you provide _vendor_ sites? Of course, some vendors are going to be PC-only. But that does _not_ mean _other_vendors_ do not exist that provide the same for SUN, Mac, etc...! Get off it dude! > When I looked at it, it seems like "bling" to me. There's lots of 3D > interface work, and over 15 years, none of it has ever taken hold, > because none of it has ever proven to be anything but "cool demo-ware". That's because 99% of the IT media and IT professionals out there have _totally_missed_ the fact that Looking Glass is _not_ about 3D! They have provided a "technology demonstration" that shows off its 3D capabilities, but Looking Glass itself is a "next generation subsystem with API" for X. > I'm amused by them calling it "true 3D" when it displays on a 2D device. That's because the "next generation subsystem with API" that is _fully_ 3D -- from input to output. Of course, people like yourself don't bother to read the technical documentation, so you don't know this. Read up on what "Looking Glass" _is_ -- not what the media says about just the "technology demonstration." Honest to God, it's bad enough I deal with Windows people who don't bother to "read all the details," but com'mon, I'm sick of this on a Linux list. I guess that's why I make the big bucks. I read the hardcore stuff, and predict changes in the industry 3+ years before they happen. I can also explain why companies do things, from a non-enthusiast point of view. I can even explain Microsoft (e.g., you first have to understand they are an investment company, not a software company). > Even the CAD world has still been dragging in 2D to 3D conversion. Define "CAD" because a lot of people think "CAD" means Autodesk products and no one else. That's just said, especially when you ignore CAM, modeling and, even more so, EDA. > It seems cool to flip a window around to make notes, Again, _stop_ assuming "Looking Glass" = "technology demonstration." Read up on what Looking Glass _is_. > but when you use it, you hide the content. So, you end up flipping the > screen back-and-forth. A pop-up note window works far better. I can't even respond because you're talking about the "technology demonstration." That is _not_ the Looking Glass project, just a sample of what it can do on today's input/output devices. When you see Looking Glass on an LCD+lenticular screen, with eyeball tracking, you'll see what it's capable of. It's a _true_ 3D output _and_ input subsystem and API, tying into X, although augmenting it heavily. > Another case of looks cool, doesn't really work well, and eats CPU > cycles, while obsolescing older hardware. Great for Sun, bad for > users. Can't see what this has to do with the issue of special > connectors preventing the use a standard KVM switches, though. Exactly. Because you started talking about the "technology demonstration" instead of focusing on what I was trying to talk about, that Sun has furthered "accessibility" with various components in GNOME through their latest Looking Glass project. The problem is that most people only assume things based on what they know. I recommend you go research Sun Microsystems, look at all the _standards_ they adhere to and create, read up on their GNOME accessibility donations and read up more on Looking Glass and what it _really_does_ to Linux/X. > Odd, that you assume I'm "just" a PC user - a poor assumption on > _your_ part. I make that assumption based on your responses. You obviously are not familiar with the details I discussed. And you seem to be argumentative about things you don't know about -- e.g., Looking Glass. Looking Glass is probably the most misunderstood project right now. That's typically of the IT media and professionals who look at the "eye candy" of a "demo" and not the technical substance in the project. > My point is that use of common connectors and interfaces is desirable, > when possible. That allows us for example, to buy a KVM switch from a > local store. You offer no case as to why Sun's choice is of any advantage. I _never_ said SUN offered an "advantage." I did say PC is not necessarily better. Especially since "commodity" is not necessarily better. PS/2 and DB15 is very PC-centric, commodity, but not necessarily better. Apple, Sun and, especially, Digital serial buses were better than USB. And 13W3 is a far better video connector than DB15. I never said "commodity" didn't have its advantages. But I _did_ say it was not necessarily "better" because of them. PC users seem to not differentiate between the two. And that's why most PC hardware is Windows version-specific. Hence the "superstore profit model" which I have discussed in detail elsewhere. And why AOL, Microsoft and other hardware/software companies own significant percentages of Best Buy, Circuit City, CompUSA, etc... > If there is, please be so kind as to educate me. Again, don't confuse "commodity" with "better." Also read up on Sun. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 17 12:17:24 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HGHNJN023863 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:17:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9HGHNKm023862 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:17:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HGHIJN023858 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:17:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HGHEbL021260 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:17:18 -0400 Received: from srv01.jemconsult.biz (rrcs-24-73-101-102.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.101.102]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HGGaHt002341 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:16:37 -0400 Received: by srv01.jemconsult.biz (Postfix, from userid 56641) id F11271BF8A; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:15:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: OpenGroupware.org organization: JEMConsult.biz date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:15:33 -0000 content-type: text/plain To: slug@nks.net From: "James Marcinek" subject: RE: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- why should this be necessary? MIME-Version: 1.0 content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20041017121533.F11271BF8A@srv01.jemconsult.biz> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.863, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.42, RATWARE_HASH_2_V2 1.62) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You're correct. I'm just waiting for my adapter to come in to see what kind of issues (if any) I'll have... slug@nks.net wrote: > >>First off, you _can_ use those on a Sun system. > > But didn't this thread start off by someone looking for a KVM switch, > complaining about Sun's use of different connectors? > > >>Secondly, sounds like personal preference to me. > > Of course. That was my point. I want freedom of choice, not to be locked > into what one vendor chooses to make available. And to be able to use > common KVM switches found at local stores. > > >>You seemingly make the case that Sun does not offer equivalents. > > As far as I know, Sun doesn't. Here's examples of what kind of input > devices I'm talking about: > http://www.fingerworks.com/ > http://www.maltron.com/ > > >>Maybe you've heard of Looking Glass? > > When I looked at it, it seems like "bling" to me. There's lots of 3D > interface work, and over 15 years, none of it has ever taken hold, because > none of it has ever proven to be anything but "cool demo-ware". I'm amused > by them calling it "true 3D" when it displays on a 2D device. Even the CAD > world has still been dragging in 2D to 3D conversion. It seems cool to flip > a window around to make notes, but when you use it, you hide the content. > So, you end up flipping the screen back-and-forth. A pop-up note window > works far better. Another case of looks cool, doesn't really work well, and > eats CPU cycles, while obsolescing older hardware. Great for Sun, bad for > users. Can't see what this has to do with the issue of special connectors > preventing the use a standard KVM switches, though. > > >> poor assumptions (asusual from PC users) > > Odd, that you assume I'm "just" a PC user - a poor assumption on _your_ > part. > > My point is that use of common connectors and interfaces is desirable, when > possible. That allows us for example, to buy a KVM switch from a local > store. You offer no case as to why Sun's choice is of any advantage. If > there is, please be so kind as to educate me. > > Ken Elliott > > ===================== > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bryan J. Smith > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 8:41 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- poor assumptions > (asusual from PC users) > > On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 14:04, Ken Elliott wrote: > > I believe a case can be made that PC _IS_ better, for standard items > > like a keyboard and mouse. I love my MS Natural keyboard, and my Logitech > mouse. > > I can't use them on a Sun. Sun's choice of unique connectors do not > > seem to offer any advantage, and certainly limits choices. > > First off, you _can_ use those on a Sun system. > > Secondly, sounds like personal preference to me. You seemingly make the > case that Sun does not offer equivalents. > > Lastly, SUN _does_ support USB now. > > > There are many specialized input devices that people need. People > > with disabilities, for example. > > You assume SUN does not provide such? Poor assumption. > > Sun is _the_ company that has provided the code and support in GNOME for > extra accessibility. They won the Hellen Keller award for it. > > Maybe you've heard of Looking Glass? It's not about 3D, but next generation > _input_ as well as output. > > -- > Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have > rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the > 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 17 12:20:37 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HGKbJN023905 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:20:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9HGKa8w023904 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:20:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HGKZJN023900 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:20:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HGJibL021345 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:20:04 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.220]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HGJIHt002883 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:19:19 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-217-116.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.217.116] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CJDkb-0006ck-WA for slug@nks.net; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:19:18 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] RE: Need adapter for SUN SPARC monitor -- why should this benecessary? From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410171540.i9HFelT4000402@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200410171540.i9HFelT4000402@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1098029957.2576.159.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:19:17 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f377f53c8499c4e6224f13221e6067d7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.217.116 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 11:39, Ken Elliott wrote: > I checked Sun's site and that seemed to be what they were saying about the > product. From what you say, it would appear that Sun doesn't do a very good > job of describing the product. I don't have time to research every detail > about technology that doesn't pertain to my missions. Perhaps you should > suggest to Sun that they do a better job in describing their vision. Agreed. Sorry for my 'tude. A lot of Linux people are currently beating up Sun, and they don't deserve it. Especially on the Java re-license by Microsoft, which is a "developer" issue (despite "competition" in the application/system space, even competiting "developer" tool companies have to work together). That has spun thousands of conspiracy theories on the app/system end, totally unrelated to any "developer" considerations. GNU/Linux owes much of its current existence and capabilities to Sun standards, code and other "open" contributions. > I'd have to disagree. A 5-axis mill is a true 3D output device, as is a > stereo lithography system. Most such systems I've used could more > accurately be called a 3D simulation. And true 3D 6-axis-of-freedom input > systems exist. But they don't have an underlying "universal subsystem/API." For Win32-GDI, X11, Aqua, etc..., they have to be "hacked on" to work in an "existing environment." It's like the devices are a _superset_ of what the system is capable of. Looking Glass reverses that, it now offers a _full_API_ for such devices. > I would suggest that if you want to discuss CAD, you should consider > researching the subject. The conversion of the market from 2D drafting to > 3D is far from over, and is a hotly debated issue among CAD professionals. No offense, but I'm a degreed engineer (with 2 semmesters of 2D/3D design fundamentals) who has been working on AutoCAD since age 9 (grew up in a civil engineering household), and spent 4 years in the mechanical/aerospace field (CAM) and 2 years in the semiconductor field (EDA). The main reason I even got to work with the NT 3.1 beta back in 1992-1993 was because I was at the _largest_end-user_installation_ of Bentley Systems Microstation (PBS&J). Microstation was one of the first 2 native Win32 applications (yes, circa 1992!). Drafting is _not_ CAD, it's just one aspect. Don't forget about CAM and EDA. > In a nutshell, the vendors think the users are stupid and the users are mad > about the severe limitations of pretty much all the systems. Which systems? 98% of the opinions I've seen are on Autodesk products. Autodesk and Bentley System products may dominate the traditional civil engineering and technology landscape, but Pro/E and a few others dominate the mechanical engineering and technology landscape. Pro/E makes more sense to me as a 3D "CAD/CAM" platform, but most people have never used it. > While you can find some who have great success with 3D CAD, you find many > more with horror stories of missed deadlines and failed projects. But > this is another topic for another forum. Pro/E seems to do fine for the companies I've deployed it at. The only time I've seen such a mess is when people try to throw add-ons to AutoCAD to do the same. They should just go Pro/E IMHO. That's just my opinion. I've only supported AutoCAD, Microstation, Pro/E and a view "xTRAN" type CAD/CAM programs extensively, plus the common suite of EDA tools (from Cadence, Mentor Graphics/Modeltech, Synopsys, Viewlogic, etc...). > This will be my last post on this subject. I consider Brian to be a very > intelligent and well informed expert. But it appears my replies have come > across to him as an attack. I have a tendency to "cope a 'tude" sometimes. You're getting my "reverse-backlash" against Sun in the Linux world. A lot of people hate Sun for all the wrong reasons. You got a taste of my distain for this, my apologies, you didn't deserve it. There are a lot of "conspiracy theories" about Sun right now. Most are based on Sun's re-license of Java to Microsoft combined with the fact that Red Hat is Sun's primary competitor in the server space. Most of them pick'n choose their arguments, not recognizing the _full_ "context" of Sun's moves and alignments. Sun has many different technologies and products in different units, and many are independent of each other. I respect your viewpoints as intelligent and informed, and I'm sorry if my responses were demeaning, suggesting otherwise. > I'm sorry to everyone on this list for wasting the bandwidth of this non- > Linux topic. Since CAD/CAM/EDA is a _major_ Linux application discussion, and Linux is _the_ prototype platform for Sun's Looking Glass technologies, this is very much Linux. If everyone was nice and sang about their favorite distro, that wouldn't be a Linux list I'd want to be on. Nothing would get accomplished. I'm used to working in engineering teams, and that means sometimes a few of us go behind closed doors and "have it out" with our opinions and views. Stuff we wouldn't want management to see -- but stuff management can appreciate as long as they don't (because things get done). The equivalent of that for a LUG is for us to take it off-list. Because sometimes the "weaker stomaches" can't stand for people having heated debates. ;-ppp -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 17 12:36:44 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HGahJN024021 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:36:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9HGahV5024020 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:36:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HGaaJN024016 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:36:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HGaZbN022087 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:36:36 -0400 Received: from srv01.jemconsult.biz (rrcs-24-73-101-102.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.101.102]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HGZrHt007013 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:35:54 -0400 Received: by srv01.jemconsult.biz (Postfix, from userid 56641) id 10EE01BF8A; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:34:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: OpenGroupware.org organization: JEMConsult.biz date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:34:51 -0000 content-type: text/plain To: slug@nks.net From: "James Marcinek" Subject: [SLUG] Adding Ultra ATA PCI card (ide2) to grub.conf MIME-Version: 1.0 content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20041017123451.10EE01BF8A@srv01.jemconsult.biz> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.863, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.42, RATWARE_HASH_2_V2 1.62) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Everyone, What I thought would be simple turning out to be a bit tricky. I purchased a 200G hard drive and an Ultra ATA PCI card (IDE) controller card. I did this for performance and later scalability. The problem I'm having is that the new ide device wasn't being recognized(looked at /proc/ide, /var/log/dmesg, etc). It seems that the problem can be rectified by passing the parameters to the kernel in grub. I found this site: http://www.captain.at/programming/ultra-ata/ "The solution is to pass additional parameters to the kernel in GRUB: title Fedora Core (2.6.5-1.356) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.5-1.356 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet selinux=0 ide2=0xa800,0xac02 initrd /initrd-2.6.5-1.356.img Here is how I figured out the correct values for ide2 (and ide3). I booted with the Fedora harddisk as slave disk on the motherboard controller and issued the lspci command: # lspci -v [...] 02:0b.0 Unknown mass storage controller: Integrated Technology Express, Inc. IT/ITE8212 Dual channel ATA RAID controller (PCI version seems to be IT8212, embedded seems (rev 11) Subsystem: Integrated Technology Express, Inc.: Unknown device 0001 Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11 I/O ports at a800 I/O ports at ac00 [size=4] I/O ports at b000 [size=8] I/O ports at b400 [size=4] I/O ports at b800 [size=16] Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2 You see the lines starting with "I/O ports". Construct the kernel parameters with the following formula: ide2=A,B+2 where A is the address of the first I/O port and B the address of the second I/O port plus 2. " So I do the lspci -v: 02:09.0 Unknown mass storage controller: Integrated Technology Express, Inc. IT/ITE8212 Dual channel ATA RAID controller (PCI version seems to be IT8212, embedded seems (rev 11) Subsystem: Integrated Technology Express, Inc.: Unknown device 0001 Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11 I/O ports at 2820 [size=8] I/O ports at 2814 [size=4] I/O ports at 2818 [size=8] I/O ports at 2810 [size=4] I/O ports at 2800 [size=16] Expansion ROM at [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2 Although it seems that my ports are reversed I do the same thing (but found one other bit on another site I added: title Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES (2.4.21-20.EL) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.21-20.EL ro root=LABEL=/ ide2=0x2820,0x2816 ide2=autotune initrd /initrd-2.4.21-20.EL.img When I reboot I can see that /dev/hde is found; however when the processes are starting I get a kernel panic. I currently don't have a server set up to capture the kernel panic dump but I did write down the code if it does any good: 8b 87 c4 00 00 00 85 c0 74 0c 8b 00 8b 5c 24 30 83 f8 ff 0f I've tried variations of the B number (eg raising it lowering it) and I either get a kernel panic or it hangs after it reports attaching the ide-driver (I think to hde). Does anyone have any idea. Thanks, James ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 17 14:37:54 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HIbrJN024796 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:37:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9HIbr7u024795 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:37:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HIbpJN024791 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:37:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HIbebL027164 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:37:45 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HIbb26022095 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:37:37 -0400 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (dt102n32.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.182.50]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9HIbYZn015586; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4172BBF2.9050109@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:37:38 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Adding Ultra ATA PCI card (ide2) to grub.conf References: <20041017123451.10EE01BF8A@srv01.jemconsult.biz> In-Reply-To: <20041017123451.10EE01BF8A@srv01.jemconsult.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > When I reboot I can see that /dev/hde is found; however when the processes are > starting I get a kernel panic. I currently don't have a server set up to capture > the kernel panic dump but I did write down the code if it does any good: > > 8b 87 c4 00 00 00 85 c0 74 0c 8b 00 8b 5c 24 30 83 f8 ff 0f > I've tried variations of the B number (eg raising it lowering it) and I either > get a kernel panic or it hangs after it reports attaching the ide-driver (I > think to hde). > Does anyone have any idea. I'm just a user, but: When you ran grub, I have only used lilo, did you do the MBR thing? Can you boot into the drive from a DOS formatted floppy disk with loadlin (a DOS program) correctly installed? -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 17 14:53:32 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HIrVJN024920 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:53:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9HIrVHG024919 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:53:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HIrTJN024915 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:53:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HIrTbL027853 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:53:29 -0400 Received: from srv01.jemconsult.biz (rrcs-24-73-101-102.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.101.102]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HIrAHt007300 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:53:10 -0400 Received: by srv01.jemconsult.biz (Postfix, from userid 56641) id 4952E1BF8A; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:52:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: OpenGroupware.org organization: JEMConsult.biz date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:52:06 -0000 content-type: text/plain To: slug@nks.net From: "James Marcinek" subject: Re: [SLUG] Adding Ultra ATA PCI card (ide2) to grub.conf MIME-Version: 1.0 content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20041017145206.4952E1BF8A@srv01.jemconsult.biz> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.863, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.42, RATWARE_HASH_2_V2 1.62) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks for the help but this has nothing to do with the MBR. Once I take out the ide2 comments from the grub.conf the system boots fine... slug@nks.net wrote: > > When I reboot I can see that /dev/hde is found; however when the processes are > > starting I get a kernel panic. I currently don't have a server set up to capture > > the kernel panic dump but I did write down the code if it does any good: > > > > 8b 87 c4 00 00 00 85 c0 74 0c 8b 00 8b 5c 24 30 83 f8 ff 0f > > > I've tried variations of the B number (eg raising it lowering it) and I either > > get a kernel panic or it hangs after it reports attaching the ide-driver (I > > think to hde). > > > Does anyone have any idea. > > I'm just a user, but: > When you ran grub, I have only used lilo, did you do the MBR thing? > Can you boot into the drive from a DOS formatted floppy disk with > loadlin (a DOS program) correctly installed? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 17 15:52:49 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HJqmJN025305 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:52:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9HJqldh025304 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:52:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HJqkJN025300 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:52:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HJqjbN030381 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:52:45 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HJqe26001735 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:52:40 -0400 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (234-114.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.114.234]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9HJqbB7024540; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4172CD89.8080305@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:52:41 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Adding Ultra ATA PCI card (ide2) to grub.conf References: <20041017145206.4952E1BF8A@srv01.jemconsult.biz> In-Reply-To: <20041017145206.4952E1BF8A@srv01.jemconsult.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.256, required 6, AWL 2.00, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Thanks for the help but this has nothing to do with the MBR. Once I take out the > ide2 comments from the grub.conf the system boots fine... The dog I was chasing is: is the drive bootable, if so is the BIOS having trouble finding it? I have no idea how to tell if a bios can boot from an added controller, I assume the bios extension on the added controller card takes care of it. Is the drive bootable when on a mommy board controller? -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 17 16:01:44 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HK1cJN025373 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:01:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9HK1c7B025372 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:01:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HK1aJN025368 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:01:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HK1abL030717 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:01:36 -0400 Received: from srv01.jemconsult.biz (rrcs-24-73-101-102.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.101.102]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HK1P26003892 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:01:25 -0400 Received: by srv01.jemconsult.biz (Postfix, from userid 56641) id 0720F1BF8A; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:00:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: OpenGroupware.org organization: JEMConsult.biz date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:00:21 -0000 content-type: text/plain To: slug@nks.net From: "James Marcinek" subject: Re: [SLUG] Adding Ultra ATA PCI card (ide2) to grub.conf MIME-Version: 1.0 content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20041017160021.0720F1BF8A@srv01.jemconsult.biz> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.373, required 6, AWL 1.49, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.42, RATWARE_HASH_2_V2 1.62) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I see what you were after. During the system boot the new IDE controller detects the drive. It's later on during the boot process (after grub loads which is called by the MBR)... slug@nks.net wrote: > > Thanks for the help but this has nothing to do with the MBR. Once I take out the > > ide2 comments from the grub.conf the system boots fine... > > The dog I was chasing is: is the drive bootable, if so is the BIOS > having trouble finding it? > I have no idea how to tell if a bios can boot from an added controller, > I assume the bios extension on the added controller card takes care of it. > Is the drive bootable when on a mommy board controller? > -- > 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com > 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC > Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 17 16:11:14 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HKBDJN025445 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:11:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9HKBDJu025444 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:11:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HKBBJN025440 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:11:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HKB7bL031090 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:11:11 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HKAr26005196 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:10:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200410172010.i9HKAr26005196@nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net> Received: from 166-220-057-001.mobile.attwireless.net ([166.220.57.1] helo=ieee.org) by asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CJHMh-0004Kq-5Y; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:10:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Handspring Mail (1.0) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bryan=20J=2E=20Smith?= To: slug@nks.net, slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Adding Ultra ATA PCI card (ide2) to grub.conf Date: 17 Oct 2004 15:08:43 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79327d38a97a1a0a260dca04b829f7cd45350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 166.220.57.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.195, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9HKBCJN025441 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The problem is that if the on-board BIOS intercepts Int13h, setting its first drive as BIOS disk 80h in front of the on-southbridge ATA, then that disk provides the MBR. Then there can be disk mapping issues between the BIOS and OS kernel. On MS-DOS (incl. 95/98/ME), it must boot a primary partition on that disk. On NT, it depends if you are using a standard or dynamic disk - but it typically won't boot until you change the BOOT.INI mapping. On Linux, you do the same, change the LILO or GRUB mapping. I can help you if you give me the full disk maping in your system. There is not a configuration I can't get to boot with Linux. -- Bryan J. Smith (currently mobile) b.j.smith@ieee.org -----Original Message----- From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Date: 04-10-17 14:53 To: slug@nks.net Subj: Re: [SLUG] Adding Ultra ATA PCI card (ide2) to grub.conf > Thanks for the help but this has nothing to do with the MBR. Once I take out the > ide2 comments from the grub.conf the system boots fine... The dog I was chasing is: is the drive bootable, if so is the BIOS having trouble finding it? I have no idea how to tell if a bios can boot from an added controller, I assume the bios extension on the added controller card takes care of it. Is the drive bootable when on a mommy board controller? -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 17 17:05:32 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HL5RJN025790 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:05:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9HL5Qm0025789 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:05:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9HL5PJN025785 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:05:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HL5ObL000673 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:05:24 -0400 Received: from srv01.jemconsult.biz (rrcs-24-73-101-102.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.101.102]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9HL5BHt006634 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:05:11 -0400 Received: by srv01.jemconsult.biz (Postfix, from userid 56641) id 6B2211BF8A; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:04:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: OpenGroupware.org organization: JEMConsult.biz date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:04:06 -0000 content-type: text/plain To: slug@nks.net From: "James Marcinek" subject: Re: [SLUG] Adding Ultra ATA PCI card (ide2) to grub.conf MIME-Version: 1.0 content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20041017170406.6B2211BF8A@srv01.jemconsult.biz> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.663, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.42, FB_CONST_9 0.20, MANGLED_SIDE 1.00, RATWARE_HASH_2_V2 1.62) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net slug@nks.net wrote: > The problem is that if the on-board BIOS intercepts Int13h, > setting its first drive as BIOS disk 80h in front of the on-southbridge ATA, > then that disk provides the MBR. If this were the case I would not even be able to boot because the other system is a new drive... > > Then there can be disk mapping issues between the BIOS and OS kernel. > On MS-DOS (incl. 95/98/ME), it must boot a primary partition on that disk. > On NT, it depends if you are using a standard or dynamic disk - > but it typically won't boot until you change the BOOT.INI mapping. > On Linux, you do the same, change the LILO or GRUB mapping. The Ultra ATA PCI card has its own BIOS and it recognizes the hard drive (I'm trying to follow your train of thought > > I can help you if you give me the full disk maping in your system. > There is not a configuration I can't get to boot with Linux. The problem is getting the new drive (and card) recognized. You can't see the device with fdisk. Remember if I take these lines I added in grub, the system boots as normal but the new drive is not recognized. It's quite possible that I didn't explain myself properly... The system is currently running here's another list of the lspci -v command: 02:09.0 Unknown mass storage controller: Integrated Technology Express, Inc. IT/ITE8212 Dual channel ATA RAID controller (PCI version seems to be IT8212, embedded seems (rev 11) Subsystem: Integrated Technology Express, Inc.: Unknown device 0001 Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11 I/O ports at 2820 [size=8] I/O ports at 2814 [size=4] I/O ports at 2818 [size=8] I/O ports at 2810 [size=4] I/O ports at 2800 [size=16] Expansion ROM at [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2 Here's the motherboard's IDE current (active setting) It's UltraATA-100: believe this is the motherboard's IDE: 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) UltraATA-100 IDE Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP]) Subsystem: Trigem Computer Inc.: Unknown device 3189 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 3 I/O ports at I/O ports at I/O ports at I/O ports at I/O ports at 1860 [size=16] Memory at 40000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K] It doesn't look like it's an I/O conflict. This is how my systems sees the card right now (with the following grub.conf title Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES (2.4.21-20.EL) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.21-20.EL ro root=LABEL=/ initrd /initrd-2.4.21-20.EL.img >From what I've read, it's the kernel doesn't know that there's another IDE driver, in this case the Ultra ATA card. To overcome this the following ide definition must be passed to the kernel(ide2=0x2820,0x2816 ide2=autotune): title Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES (2.4.21-20.EL) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.21-20.EL ro root=LABEL=/ ide2=0x2820,0x2816 ide2=autotune initrd /initrd-2.4.21-20.EL.img When I reboot the new ide2 is recognized as well as the drive. It's only after the kernel image is selected when the system has the kernel panic. Since I haven't had a successful boot I can only give you an fdisk -l on the only ide hardrive: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 13 104391 83 Linux /dev/hda2 14 1033 8193150 83 Linux /dev/hda3 1034 1543 4096575 83 Linux /dev/hda4 1544 4865 26683965 f Win95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/hda5 1544 1862 2562336 83 Linux /dev/hda6 1863 2053 1534176 83 Linux /dev/hda7 2054 2206 1228941 83 Linux /dev/hda8 2207 2359 1228941 82 Linux swap /dev/hda9 2360 4865 20129413+ 83 Linux You will also notice my /proc/ide: #ls /proc/ide drivers hda hdc ide0 ide1 piix There's no ide2 and ide1 is for /dev/hdc (primary and it's my cdrom) # ll /dev/cdrom lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Jun 15 06:24 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdc The device should be /dev/hde. I appreciate everyone's input. James ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 17 20:06:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9I06lJN027057 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:06:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9I06k92027056 for slug-track29; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:06:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9I06iJN027052 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:06:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9I06ibL008222 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:06:44 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9I06S26010588 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:06:28 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9I06QB7018926 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410180006.i9I06QB7018926@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: [SLUG] OT - Why 123 was written for DOS, not CP/M-86 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:04:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcS0phb75rYNxh4/QiexX14PeG2/Ag== X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.993, required 6, AWL 1.91, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Many of you may remember a thread about why DOS succeeded, while CP/M failed. I suggested that Lotus 123 was the killer app that caused people to buy the PC. But I wasn't sure why Lotus 123 was written for PC-DOS rather then CP/M-86, since IBM offered both at the time. I asked Mitch Kapor why, but his response was lost in all the hurricane confusion. He says the target was 16-bit machines, due to their greater memory space. When IBM came into the market with the PC, it was clear that it had the best chance of becoming the market leader. Even if it didn't, there would certainly be a large market for the machine, and IBM would surely put great effort into selling the PC to their existing accounts. I won't post the entire message, but here's the key point. "IBM made the choice easy. Even though they offered both, it was clear they were really behind DOS and not at all behind CP/M-86." As some of you suggested, it was IBM's efforts to promote DOS over CP/M the swayed Lotus. I suspect they wanted to prevent Xerox (and others who already had 8-bit CP/M machines and established dealers) from easily following them into the 16-bit world. Mitch wishes us all well in our hurricane recovery efforts. Nice guy... Ken Elliott ===================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 18 12:44:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9IGhsJN001515 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:43:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9IGhk1H001514 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:43:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9IGhdJN001510 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:43:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9IGgfbL022220 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:43:04 -0400 Received: from web50604.mail.yahoo.com (web50604.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.91]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i9IGg3Ht007663 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:42:03 -0400 Message-ID: <20041018164158.52493.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.73.65.14] by web50604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:41:58 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:41:58 -0700 (PDT) From: perthie Subject: [SLUG] fedora installation To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1816555732-1098117718=:52068" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.195, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_DOUBLESLASH 0.30, FU_PROMO 0.44, FU_URI_REDIRECT 0.86, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --0-1816555732-1098117718=:52068 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i downloaded the 4mb image to do a network install, then found out i cant boot from my scsi cdrom (bios limitation). is there a way to install from multiple floppies, or perhaps dd the boot image to a second hard drive temporarily (this should probably be an faq by now)? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 18 14:01:24 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9II1NJN002076 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:01:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9II1NIk002075 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:01:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9II1HJN002071 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:01:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9II1FbP026157 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:01:16 -0400 Received: from srv01.jemconsult.biz (rrcs-24-73-101-102.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.101.102]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9II0r26004898 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:00:54 -0400 Received: by srv01.jemconsult.biz (Postfix, from userid 56641) id AD1DE22800A; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:59:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: OpenGroupware.org organization: JEMConsult.biz date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:59:41 -0000 content-type: text/plain To: slug@nks.net From: "James Marcinek" subject: Re: [SLUG] RESOLVED: Adding Ultra ATA PCI card (ide2) to grub.conf MIME-Version: 1.0 content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20041018135941.AD1DE22800A@srv01.jemconsult.biz> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.513, required 6, AWL 1.35, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.42, RATWARE_HASH_2_V2 1.62) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net It turned out that it was a driver issue. Although the card indicated support for linux it did not provide the driver's on the CD the card came with. It's actually a SCSI device and I've turned it into an VG. I created a couple of LV's and have successfully moved my /opt and /var over to this device. >From what I've read about the pvcreate commands, I should be able to change these partitions into physical volumes without interfering with remaining partitions but I want to make sure first. If this is the case I'll reclaim the original partitions and add them to the volume group... Thanks all james ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 18 17:36:58 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ILavJN003521 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:36:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9ILavUv003520 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:36:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ILaoJN003516 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:36:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ILaobL004447 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:36:50 -0400 Received: from out014.verizon.net (out014pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.46]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ILaa26015066 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:36:37 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([4.47.204.60]) by out014.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041018213636.NGIV25088.out014.verizon.net@[192.168.1.2]> for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:36:36 -0500 Message-ID: <417437AD.5060601@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:37:49 -0400 From: Joe Brandt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040618 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] fedora installation References: <20041018164158.52493.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041018164158.52493.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [4.47.204.60] at Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:36:36 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=4.464, required 6, AWL 0.81, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, FU_DOUBLESLASH 0.30, FU_PROMO 0.44, FU_URI_REDIRECT 0.86, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net perthie wrote: > i downloaded the 4mb image to do a network install, then found out i > cant boot from my scsi cdrom (bios limitation). is there a way to > install from multiple floppies, or perhaps dd the boot image to a > second hard drive temporarily (this should probably be an faq by now)? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete > > - You start. We finish. If you have another computer network them and use a network (ftp) server setup. Or if you have broadband use a commercial (wrong term but close enough) ftp site to load from. Joe Brandt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 18 19:18:00 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9INHxJN004220 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:18:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9INHxXe004219 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:17:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9INHrJN004215 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:17:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9INHqbL009098 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:17:52 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9INHf26001525 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:17:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 16080 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2004 22:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.16.56.69) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2004 22:24:12 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 33072125325; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:23:26 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT - Why 123 was written for DOS, not CP/M-86 Message-ID: <20041018222325.GP2705@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200410180006.i9I06QB7018926@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200410180006.i9I06QB7018926@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.287, required 6, AWL 2.49, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 08:04:51PM -0400, Ken Elliott wrote: > I won't post the entire message, but here's the key point. > > "IBM made the choice easy. Even though they offered both, it was clear they > were really behind DOS and not at all behind CP/M-86." > Of course, this begs the question of why IBM pushed PC-DOS over CP/M-86. Better licensing terms with Microsoft? Or purely the difficulty in porting from CP/M to PC-DOS versus the ease of porting from CP/M to CP/M-86, which might keep Xerox or others out of the market? I used CP/M-80 on an Epson QX-10, and did some Turbo Pascal programming on it. I drooled over the DEC Rainbow, but never had much interest in the IBM-PC. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 18 19:31:27 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9INVMJN004357 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:31:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9INVLKQ004356 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:31:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9INV9JN004346 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:31:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9INV4bL009678 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:31:04 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9INUH26003445 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:30:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 19746 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2004 22:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.16.56.69) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2004 22:47:10 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1F448125325; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:46:37 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20041018224637.1F448125325@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:46:37 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (paulf) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.26, required 6, AWL 2.46, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 20 October 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Wednesday of each month) Honeywell 8323 Lindbergh Court Sarasota, FL See http://www.bish.net/directions/ DUNEDIN ************************************************** 23 October 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library Community Room A or B (see notice on site) Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 25 October 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) St Petersburg Public Library, Main Branch Auditorium 3745 Ninth Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33713 727-893-7724 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 4 November 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 6 November 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 9 November 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Student Services Bldg, Room 108 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 18 20:01:55 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9J01cJN004579 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:01:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9J01UXZ004578 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:01:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9J01NJN004574 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:01:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9J01HbP010992 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:01:18 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9J01426009412 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:01:04 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CJhQz-0006Lg-GN for slug@nks.net; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:01:01 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT - Why 123 was written for DOS, not CP/M-86 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:00:56 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <200410180006.i9I06QB7018926@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> <20041018222325.GP2705@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20041018222325.GP2705@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410182000.56225.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.523, required 6, AWL 1.68, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 18 October 2004 06:23 pm, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 08:04:51PM -0400, Ken Elliott wrote: > > > > > I won't post the entire message, but here's the key point. > > > > "IBM made the choice easy. Even though they offered both, it was clear > > they were really behind DOS and not at all behind CP/M-86." > > Of course, this begs the question of why IBM pushed PC-DOS over CP/M-86. > Better licensing terms with Microsoft? Or purely the difficulty in > porting from CP/M to PC-DOS versus the ease of porting from CP/M to > CP/M-86, which might keep Xerox or others out of the market? > > I used CP/M-80 on an Epson QX-10, and did some Turbo Pascal programming > on it. I drooled over the DEC Rainbow, but never had much interest in > the IBM-PC. > > Paul With me it was the Osborne's. Unfortunately the stupid CFO made the decision to announce that they would be releasing the next hardware (model III) before it had been paid for. Which stopped the sales on model II, which was financing the development of model III. With creditors nabbing at the doors they then went into chapter 11 to reorganize. (50M in assets and 55M in debt.) Their PR was so good that when the community heard about it, we raised over 1M between us, to try to help. IBM now had the perfect opportunity to step up with an even better box and knock out the fledgling Osborne (if not already out of business), which had opened the door to use a PC for business use. Adam Osborne was going around telling people for a long time to build a computer with dual drives and software. Aimed at small business. Nobody listened. So he decided to do it himself. He got VisiCalc developed and had it, together with both dBase and Wordstar, delivered with each computer. At only the cost of a few dollars to the user it was a steal. He basically gave away shares on the sales to pay for the s/w. The model I was a great success, and model II was a big improvement. With III coming out there was a big buzz - but, alas we never saw it. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 18 20:21:18 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9J0LCJN004716 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:21:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9J0LBvj004715 for slug-track29; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:21:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9J0L0JN004707 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:21:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9J0K9bN011765 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:20:29 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9J0Jb26012142 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:19:37 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9J0JZlM014647 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410190019.i9J0JZlM014647@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] OT - Why 123 was written for DOS, not CP/M-86 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:18:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-index: AcS1b7LcCNWbaFE7SzqDN5oFxZyL8QAAAkIQ In-reply-to: <20041018222325.GP2705@quillandmouse.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.123, required 6, AWL 1.78, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>I drooled over the DEC Rainbow Man, that was a sweet machine. Funny, at first, you couldn't format floppies. You had to buy them from DEC. They changed that later when the machine sales were in the dumpster. As I understand it, MS sold IBM a non-exclusive, royalty free MS-DOS license for under $100,000. Gates took a gamble. So far, he's ahead. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Paul M Foster Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 6:23 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT - Why 123 was written for DOS, not CP/M-86 On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 08:04:51PM -0400, Ken Elliott wrote: > I won't post the entire message, but here's the key point. > > "IBM made the choice easy. Even though they offered both, it was > clear they were really behind DOS and not at all behind CP/M-86." > Of course, this begs the question of why IBM pushed PC-DOS over CP/M-86. Better licensing terms with Microsoft? Or purely the difficulty in porting from CP/M to PC-DOS versus the ease of porting from CP/M to CP/M-86, which might keep Xerox or others out of the market? I used CP/M-80 on an Epson QX-10, and did some Turbo Pascal programming on it. I drooled over the DEC Rainbow, but never had much interest in the IBM-PC. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 19 04:06:57 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9J86uJN007932 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 04:06:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9J86tYq007931 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 04:06:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9J86qJN007927 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 04:06:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9J86mbP000617 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 04:06:50 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (rrcs-67-78-17-122.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.122]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9J86AHt029745 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 04:06:14 -0400 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id 7D78120704E; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 04:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.252] (unknown [192.168.1.252]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7122207032 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 04:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4174CAD6.10503@sigtom.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 04:05:42 -0400 From: "Tom E. Craddock, Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040927 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] pcHDTV 3000 cards Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham version=3.0.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey, Im sure more of you all are aware of the upcomming broadcast flag being imposed on digital broadcasts starting July 2005. After that you wont be able to buy or import any device that doesnt incorporate the use of broadcast flag technology, so the pchdtv3000 card is one of the few ways, if not the only way on a nix based box, that you could (as far as it looks now) record digital HDTV. It has just been put up for pre-order at the site listed below. Im not sure of how well it will work with MythTV, but it supposed to work. The card will be shipping on Nov 8, and it costs $189.89 +s/h. You are able to get 'Volume discounts start on just 2 cards saving $4.89 ea. and $9.89 on 5 or more cards', so I wanted to ask if there were any other MythTV users and if any of you plan on getting one of these cards so that we could get the discounts. I live in the Brandon/Riverview area, and just started to attend the SLUG meetings at Barnes&Nobles. If anyone is interested please contact me either on the list or at sigtom@sigtom.com. http://www.pchdtv.com http://mythtv.org Tom E. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 19 10:34:00 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9JEXsJN010722 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:34:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9JEXn3k010721 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:33:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9JEXbJN010717 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:33:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9JEXabL017461 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:33:36 -0400 Received: from web50606.mail.yahoo.com (web50606.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.93]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i9JEXOHt029978 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:33:24 -0400 Message-ID: <20041019143323.51739.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.73.65.14] by web50606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:33:23 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:33:23 -0700 (PDT) From: perthie Subject: Re: [SLUG] fedora installation To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <417437AD.5060601@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-783080639-1098196403=:50526" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --0-783080639-1098196403=:50526 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i was planning on using an ftp install in the first place, but i have to boot into an installer before i can install. hence the problem... i cant boot from a cdrom, so i need an alternate method of booting to a 4 mb image. Joe Brandt wrote:perthie wrote: > i downloaded the 4mb image to do a network install, then found out i > cant boot from my scsi cdrom (bios limitation). is there a way to > install from multiple floppies, or perhaps dd the boot image to a > second hard drive temporarily (this should probably be an faq by now)? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete > > - You start. We finish. If you have another computer network them and use a network (ftp) server setup. Or if you have broadband use a commercial (wrong term but close enough) ftp site to load from. Joe Brandt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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i was planning on using an ftp install in the first place, but i have to boot into an installer before i can install. hence the problem... i cant boot from a cdrom, so i need an alternate method of booting to a 4 mb image.

Joe Brandt <vzd1s11k@verizon.net> wrote:
perthie wrote:

> i downloaded the 4mb image to do a network install, then found out i
> cant boot from my scsi cdrom (bios limitation). is there a way to
> install from multiple floppies, or perhaps dd the boot image to a
> second hard drive temporarily (this should probably be an faq by now)?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete
>
> - You start. We finish.

If you have another computer network them and use a network (ftp) server
setup. Or if you have broadband use a commercial (wrong term but close
enough) ftp site to load from.

Joe Brandt

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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 19 11:16:26 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9JFGQJN010999 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:16:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9JFGKKJ010998 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:16:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9JFGEJN010994 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:16:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9JFGDbL019368 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:16:13 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9JFFhHt009285 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:15:43 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-34-159.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.34.159] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CJviB-0003j3-7i for slug@nks.net; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:15:43 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: fedora installation -- 6MB "bootdisk.img" (FAT) instead of 4MB "boot.iso" (ISO9660) From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20041019143323.51739.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041019143323.51739.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1098198941.2474.223.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:15:41 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79e9c227100429ee5ec9e297f1e1427fd3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.34.159 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 10:33, perthie wrote: > i was planning on using an ftp install in the first place, but i have > to boot into an installer before i can install. hence the problem... i > cant boot from a cdrom, so i need an alternate method of booting to a > 4 mb image. In addition to the 4MB boot.iso (ISO9660 Yellow Book) in the ./images directory, there is a 6MB bootdisk.img (FAT). You can "dd" that to any other bootable device, be it a Floptical/120MB removable, USB EEPROM (Flash or other solid state) storge dongle/key, USB or Firewire disk, etc... The USB solid state device seems to be the most popular (and portable), as long as the mainboard supports it, but you use the 6MB "bootdisk.img" file, _not_ the 4MB "boot.iso" file. A USB CD-ROM is the second most popular, although you use the 4MB "boot.iso" file for that. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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Also, it appears that I have a partition issue particular in Windows. Since I am well acquainted with complete system installation doing that is not an issue except that I have NO guarantees that if I attempt such that I will not destroy current data so consequently I have no desire to continue repairs with out expert guidance. As I will be attending the Dunedian meeting Saturday I would highly appreciate what ever help is possible at that time in either making either the Windows side or the Linux or a recovery system operation to such an extent that I may recover the data. As far as recovery techniques are concerned the latest Tomsrtbt still will not run on this computer do to laical of appropriate drivers. Some other recovery distribution may well function but Tomsrtbt will definitely not work. Thanks Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 19 21:07:25 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9K17JJN015099 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:07:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9K17JGr015098 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:07:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9K17HJN015094 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:07:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9K17HbN013687 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:07:17 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9K17526021568 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:07:06 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 74so400944rnk for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:07:05 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mDtXk/rkuxyrQF5um/4808U51EmHmipl4L4R/IzEeS/tg3jqtXkXmqi9jfsH5+cHBucet7U5l3dwEblmW201Hrv/+wDPYeWHfeqOEiPF+6DPHXKjs4KSN5SvQzZzRtk5TAP3DEsyPNRKb+v0ptFkYHYnpn9FvPNPxZXEUAomsLQ Received: by 10.38.152.39 with SMTP id z39mr2289761rnd; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.22.41 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:07:05 -0400 From: John Pedersen To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Supporting Linux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.843, required 6, AWL 3.06, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Today I made a donation to the upcoming Firefox full page ad in the NY Times, and at the end of the online procedure they urged that we should "spread the word". So that's what I'm doing. Seems to me that all the recent well-publicized security problems in IE resulted in quite a shift in browser statistics. There's momentum, so now is not the time to drop the ball! I realize that not everyone is inclined to donate to this, but maybe one or two of you are, and just need a nudge. To anyone interested, go here: http://www.spreadfirefox.com/ Read about it, join the team, and donate if you feel like it. You still have time to have YOUR name in the NY Times! Also, on the topic of supporting Linux, is anybody using Mepis? I've been very happy with Libranet but they have been VERY slow come up with their latest version, inc 2.6 kernel; I've been using Mepis more and more. It's excellent. A couple of weeks ago I put in my order for two copies of Robin Limo's "Point and Click" book. Even if Robin is going to give some of these away to Sluggers, It's still worth asking yourself if you wouldn't rather throw some support toward Mepis/Robin. If so check this: http://www.phptr.com/title/0131488724 Be sure and sign up with PH to get the discount. I'm not working for anybody, and I don't get any commission. I only mention the above because I want to see Linux elbow aside MS on the desktop. It's like rolling a large boulder--if you get it moving at all, you really need to keep pushing or else it was all for nothing. John ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 19 22:04:16 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9K24GJN015500 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:04:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9K24FlG015499 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:04:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9K24EJN015495 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:04:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9K248bL016121 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:04:08 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9K24026031572 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:04:00 -0400 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (184-177.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.177.184]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9K23vlM025465 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4175C941.4060909@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:11:13 -0400 From: Richard Smoot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040216 Debian/1.6.x.1-10 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partition Help References: <4175BC3B.FBCD0AC0@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4175BC3B.FBCD0AC0@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.73, required 6, AWL 2.52, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net SOTL wrote: >Hi All > >I have ascertained [I believe] that the issue I was referring to the >other day with the bad HD that most probably the HD is working. > >Also, it appears that I have a partition issue particular in Windows. > >Since I am well acquainted with complete system installation doing that >is not an issue except that I have NO guarantees that if I attempt such >that I will not destroy current data so consequently I have no desire to >continue repairs with out expert guidance. > >As I will be attending the Dunedian meeting Saturday I would highly >appreciate what ever help is possible at that time in either making >either the Windows side or the Linux or a recovery system operation to >such an extent that I may recover the data. > >As far as recovery techniques are concerned the latest Tomsrtbt still >will not run on this computer do to laical of appropriate drivers. Some >other recovery distribution may well function but Tomsrtbt will >definitely not work. > >Thanks > >Frank > > Get another drive. Unplug the problem drive. Install the new drive as C. Install your OS on it. Plug in the problem drive. If you are lucky you can read your data files on it and transfer them to the new drive. If that doesn't work, you will need Data Recovery software which starts at $70 to $100 dollars. I found nothing really fully functional in freeware or shareware for Windows. Do not run scandisk. Those little files it makes are totally useless. It makes the data unrecoverable if your drive has been corrupted. I have actually done Data Recovery in a Windows system. Do not save anything to the old disk as that can overwrite data you might want to save. If you have a bootable cd for your Linux or a newer version of it, a common option is that if you start an install and it finds the old installation, it will offer to boot it. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 19 23:46:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9K3k0JN016376 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:46:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9K3jxav016375 for slug-track29; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:45:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9K3jwJN016371 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:45:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9K3jvbN020242 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:45:57 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9K3jWHt012608 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:45:32 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=[192.168.2.103]) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CK7Pl-00088y-1Y for slug@nks.net; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:45:29 -0700 Message-ID: <4175E12E.7070409@apotheon.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:53:18 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040926) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Supporting Linux References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net John Pedersen wrote: > Today I made a donation to the upcoming Firefox full page ad in the NY > Times, and at the end of the online procedure they urged that we > should "spread the word". > > So that's what I'm doing. Seems to me that all the recent > well-publicized security problems in IE resulted in quite a shift in > browser statistics. There's momentum, so now is not the time to drop > the ball! > > I realize that not everyone is inclined to donate to this, but maybe > one or two of you are, and just need a nudge. > > To anyone interested, go here: http://www.spreadfirefox.com/ > > Read about it, join the team, and donate if you feel like it. You > still have time to have YOUR name in the NY Times! > > Also, on the topic of supporting Linux, is anybody using Mepis? I've > been very happy with Libranet but they have been VERY slow come up > with their latest version, inc 2.6 kernel; I've been using Mepis more > and more. It's excellent. A couple of weeks ago I put in my order > for two copies of Robin Limo's "Point and Click" book. Even if Robin > is going to give some of these away to Sluggers, It's still worth > asking yourself if you wouldn't rather throw some support toward > Mepis/Robin. If so check this: > > http://www.phptr.com/title/0131488724 > > Be sure and sign up with PH to get the discount. > > I'm not working for anybody, and I don't get any commission. I only > mention the above because I want to see Linux elbow aside MS on the > desktop. It's like rolling a large boulder--if you get it moving at > all, you really need to keep pushing or else it was all for nothing. > > John I use Firefox as my preferred browser and MEPIS as my preferred LiveCD distribution. Of course, I don't really use LiveCDs much, and Debian Testing is what I use for "permanent" installs. I agree, though -- both Firefox and MEPIS are excellent products and well worth supporting. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 20 02:08:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9K684JN017334 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:08:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9K67xO9017329 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:07:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9K67dJN017324 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:07:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9K67WbP027489 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:07:33 -0400 Received: from mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.228]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9K66h26008508 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:06:43 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-34-159.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.34.159] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CK9cQ-000263-HK for slug@nks.net; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:06:42 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: Supporting Linux -- and those you don't have to From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <4175E12E.7070409@apotheon.com> References: <4175E12E.7070409@apotheon.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1098252401.2505.166.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:06:41 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79d5eabb7eab8a2e58e55a0e68dfb2b0b7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.34.159 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.204, required 6, AWL -0.70, BAYES_00 -4.90, NO_STRINGS 1.39) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 23:53, Chad Perrin wrote: > I use Firefox as my preferred browser and MEPIS as my preferred LiveCD > distribution. Of course, I don't really use LiveCDs much, and Debian > Testing is what I use for "permanent" installs. I agree, though -- both > Firefox and MEPIS are excellent products and well worth supporting. Since someone else opened the door ... I figured I'd tell my view ... I run Fedora Core (FC) and official Fedora repository package releases. I let Red Hat do the financial supporting for me. I now get a community-focused distribution system that is not only more reliable than my paying RHN before it, but it has opened up a far greater realm of packages than was possible. And not only is does this distribution model work for Fedora, but even Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) too. Some people complain that Fedora Core doesn't have the support that Red Hat Linux (RHL) did. And what support was that? All Red Hat _ever_ offered for Red Hat Linux was _only_ installation- time support and vendor product certification. They tried service level agreements (SLAs) with Red Hat Linux 6.2"E" and no one bought them. And vendors only ended up certifying every 2-3 "revisions" since they didn't want to do so every 6 months. And to add insult to injury, this also gave Red Hat the added _headache_ of supporting 6-7 revisions simultaneously for 3+ years, because companies no longer upgraded to the "last revision" of .2 or .3 in a series, but "standardized" on a .0 or .1 revision for various reasons. Once the SuSE Linux Enterprise line was released, Red Hat's clients dictated they follow the same 18-month cycle as SuSE. So we got RHEL with 18 month release cycles based on the current .1/.2 revision of RHL, with updates to match newer revisions. Fedora was just the fallout of what RHL has always been, with a few caveats. The biggest one for the name change was the trademark issue that is _not_ Red Hat's fault. No other company has let their name be copied over and over with no strings attached, and it became an issue where the USPTO could declare the name "Red Hat" as "public domain." In Fedora, there is no more EOL -- only "Legacy" and "Suspended" -- this _includes_ older RHL versions that _do_ have _continued_ updates (as far back as RHL 7.3!). Red Hat now tags things as "Legacy" so they say "if this ain't the last .2/.3 release in a series, get off it soon." We've already seen this with RHL 7.3 (CL2.3) _still_ being supported (the RHL7 series is over 4 years old now), while RHL 7.0-7.2 (CL2.0-2.2) are _dropped_, along with RHL 9 (CL3.1) and FC 1 (CL3.2), RHL 8 (CL3.0) has been _dropped_. So now Red Hat only supports 1-2 "Current" releases, like FC2 (CL4.0) and FC3 (CL4.1), and then the last 2 "Legacy" releases that are the "last .2/.3" in a series, like RHL7.3 (CL2.3) and RHL9/FC1 (CL3.1/3.2). I'm sure Red Hat will be dropping RHL9 (CL3.1) soon as FC1 (CL3.2) is the last ".2" release in the series. If companies need otherwise, then they can pay Red Hat. That's why RHEL exists. Fedora Core packages are just as well tested with the _exact_same_ model as Red Hat Linux before it. Instead of Rawhide-Beta-Release, it's Development-Test-Release -- even the Red Hat developers on the Fedora lsits still call Development "Rawhide," and sometimes slip and call Test "Beta." Fedora is just the community distribution model, free of the trademark issues. All the same releases that come through FC go into RHEL, so you can build RHEL without the trademark headache by sticking with FC. The whole reason for FC is to give you the "community release" without the trademark issue -- something that WBEL and other, from SRPM "RHEL rebuilt" things only end up fighting. That's not me talking, but major, Fortune 100 companies. We _know_ that RHEL _is_ FC, just like RHL was before it. Anything that is _not_ a _verbatim_ package from FC in RHEL has an "EL" tag in the revision. Other than the kernel (which contains select, non-commodity hardware support that may not be in the Fedora kernel yet), 9 times out of 10 its is _missing_ things from the Fedora version (e.g., like locale, RHEL typically doesn't support all the languages that FC does, so it doesn't ship that support in the "EL" version). I like community distros. Lucky for me, I prefer the community distro that has a _completely_ GPL-centric commercial entity paying for it all. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 20 03:21:41 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9K7LZJN017837 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 03:21:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9K7LZWq017836 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 03:21:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9K7LWJN017832 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 03:21:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9K7LLbN030437 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 03:21:25 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9K7Kk26019925 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 03:20:46 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CKAm7-0005Hm-Aa for slug@nks.net; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:20:47 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Supporting Linux -- and those you don't have to Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 03:20:42 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <4175E12E.7070409@apotheon.com> <1098252401.2505.166.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> In-Reply-To: <1098252401.2505.166.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410200320.42584.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.109, required 6, AWL 0.92, BAYES_00 -4.90, NO_STRINGS 1.39, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 20 October 2004 02:06 am, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 23:53, Chad Perrin wrote: > > I use Firefox as my preferred browser and MEPIS as my preferred LiveCD > > distribution. Of course, I don't really use LiveCDs much, and Debian > > Testing is what I use for "permanent" installs. I agree, though -- both > > Firefox and MEPIS are excellent products and well worth supporting. > > Since someone else opened the door ... I figured I'd tell my view ... Good writeup! > Fedora was just the fallout of what RHL has always been, with a few > caveats. The biggest one for the name change was the trademark issue > that is _not_ Red Hat's fault. No other company has let their name be > copied over and over with no strings attached, and it became an issue > where the USPTO could declare the name "Red Hat" as "public domain." Of course it is their own fault, for not understanding what they did. Stupidity on a subject is usually not much of an acceptable legal defense. They were ignorant, much like Xerox was, about not defending their name. Not that I in any way think they got what they deserved or anything, but they are the ones responsible for their business. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 20 04:13:02 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9K8CqJN018405 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 04:12:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9K8CqvQ018404 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 04:12:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9K8CbJN018400 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 04:12:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9K8CVbV032614 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 04:12:36 -0400 Received: from invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net (invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.254]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9K88qHt016245 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 04:08:57 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-34-159.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.34.159] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKBWe-0004cs-C2 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:08:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Supporting Linux -- and those you don't have to From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410200320.42584.steve@szmidt.org> References: <4175E12E.7070409@apotheon.com> <1098252401.2505.166.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <200410200320.42584.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1098259731.2505.179.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 04:08:51 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794fe303dcd5f07bd9a86e3e4aedcbfdf0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.34.159 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 03:20, steve szmidt wrote: > Good writeup! Thanx. > Of course it is their own fault, for not understanding what they did. > Stupidity on a subject is usually not much of an acceptable legal defense. > They were ignorant, much like Xerox was, about not defending their name. No good deed goes unpunished in the corporate world. ;-ppp > Not that I in any way think they got what they deserved or anything, but they > are the ones responsible for their business. Correct. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 20 09:13:08 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9KDCtJN020398 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:13:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9KDCnt8020397 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:12:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9KDClJN020393 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:12:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9KDClbL013509 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:12:47 -0400 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9KDCYHt025080 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:12:34 -0400 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 79so411518rnk for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 06:12:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=RL4XhRRiNiAKSZcKT2Cslm+PDso1DnT7e688bO+EcSH+0Bpe9eHsScBI0RnphQkpPb6Yoa9xaxK6+7/I/Y8Wf7UnAe3ovAM9Agq8hXYAU6UJ4gziZNElPlSU994QBUlyD2yZq7aKKKwd/EnAe3miaCmBlLrO8LmhIgWn86RMJkk Received: by 10.38.78.34 with SMTP id a34mr2845663rnb; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 06:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.19 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 06:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e31041020061226babfe8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:12:30 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Supporting Linux In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > A couple of weeks ago I put in my order > for two copies of Robin Limo's "Point and Click" book. Even if Robin > is going to give some of these away to Sluggers, It's still worth > asking yourself if you wouldn't rather throw some support toward > Mepis/Robin. If so check this: > > http://www.phptr.com/title/0131488724 There will definitely be a few of my relatives and acquaintances who will be receiving a copy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 20 09:23:16 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9KDN5JN020470 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:23:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9KDN0ZC020469 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:23:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9KDMwJN020465 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:22:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9KDMwbL013950 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:22:58 -0400 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9KDMdHt027234 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:22:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2838511864 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20050-01-3 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.227.193.214] (p199-227-193-214.max.acun.net [199.227.193.214]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B77C11A33 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4175C499.4000401@acun.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:51:21 -0400 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sarasota Meeting reminder References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.604, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.65, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net mark@bish.net wrote: > > Hey, we are meeting, come out for some hot linux action and some pizza. > > Ok, maybe some pizza. Hi Mark! Please accept my regrets. We have been working 15 hour shifts since the second hurricane and I will be working on the meeting night. Major Bummer. I am so frustrated by the excess overtime that I am changing companies, but this will not take effect until next week. I still want to get MEPIS to print and talk, sigh . . . Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 20 10:14:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9KEE5JN020831 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:14:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9KEDpvE020830 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:13:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9KEDeJN020826 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:13:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9KEDKbL016219 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:13:20 -0400 Received: from queenie.aqhostdns.com (queenie.aqhostdns.com [67.130.100.130]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9KECr26023437 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:13:06 -0400 Received: from wbar11.tampa1-4-4-131-177.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.4.131.177] helo=[192.168.1.104]) by queenie.aqhostdns.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CKHCY-00051e-9L for slug@nks.net; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:12:30 -0400 Message-ID: <417671A6.5070600@roblimo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:09:42 -0400 From: "Robin \"Roblimo\" Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040819 Debian/1.7.2-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Supporting Linux - Point and Click Linux at Brandon Dec 2 References: <1a3a3e31041020061226babfe8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e31041020061226babfe8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned and found to be clean by AQHost - http://www.AQHost.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - queenie.aqhostdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=5.513, required 6, AWL 2.38, BAYES_00 -4.90, ORDER_NOW 0.35, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> It's still worth >>asking yourself if you wouldn't rather throw some support toward >>Mepis/Robin. If so check this: >> >>http://www.phptr.com/title/0131488724 >> I appreciate this. Thank you Now that the book/CD/video DVD package from Prentice Hall is done and at the printer, I'm making a whole new series of instructional Linux videos. Low-res versions will be available for free download through SourceForge.net mirrors and/or at ibiblio.org, and I hope to sell enough CDs containing the high-res versions to turn a few extra bucks from the work. When I say "sell" I mean to the general public, not to Linux sophisticates like you. Imagine a TV spot that says, "Now you can have the same operating system on your home computer that runs the world's top supercomputers -- for only $49.95 including hundreds of free programs AND complete, easy-to-follow video instructions! Call the number at the bottom of your screen to order now! Operators are standing by to take your order! BUT WAIT! There's more..." Plus Google keyword ads, etc. - this is not Michael Robertson or IBM-style big-money splash, but simple, cheap-guy direct marketing. We'll see how it goes. Anyway, no matter where you live you may want to come to the Brandon Dec. 2 meeting - That's going to be the U.S. "Point and Click Linux" launch party and book signing, coordinated with Barnes and Noble's and Prentice Hall's PR people, plus I'll probably slap out a few releases and make some calls to local media myself. I think my talk will be a two-fer: I'll talk about how to get started with Linux for those who have never really used it, and also talk about TEACHING Linux to desktop users, a topic that will probably be of more interest to most current LUG members than the basics of installing and using Linux. I'll be doing a "Teaching Linux" presentation at LinuxWorld in Boston, too, and possibly elsewhere... Hope to see you Dec. 2. I'll happily autograph copies whether you buy them there or bring them with you. It's all the same to me; my per-copy royalties are small (about $1.50) no matter where you buy. I wrote this book not for the money but because I simply wanted it to exist -- and now it does. - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 20 12:36:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9KGa9JN021789 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:36:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9KGa4dG021788 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:36:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9KGZqJN021780 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:35:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9KGZpbP023405 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:35:52 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9KGZOHt014835 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:35:24 -0400 Received: from pavilion.littlebob.org (43-181.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.181.43]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9KGZIlM012785 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:35:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Supporting Linux Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:35:15 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410201235.16101@Who-needs-Gates-and-Windows-in-a-world-without-fences-and-walls> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.487, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.42, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 20 October 2004 01:07 am, John Pedersen wrote: > Also, on the topic of supporting Linux, is anybody using Mepis? I've > been very happy with Libranet but they have been VERY slow come up > with their latest version, inc 2.6 kernel; I've been using Mepis more > and more. It's excellent. I have been using Mepis on my laptop for a few months now. It seems to suit this particular machine better than any other distro that I have tried on it. If they had compiled the GUI (and maybe the kernel) with i686 optimizations, it would be perfect on the laptop. When you have only a 300MHz CPU and no accelerated video, optimizing X and KDE makes an appreciable speed difference. :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 20 15:37:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9KJb2JN022998 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:37:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9KJb1XF022997 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:37:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9KJatJN022989 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:36:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9KJanbN000465 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:36:49 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9KJaX26020697 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:36:44 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9KJaVZo016283 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:36:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] 'diff' for binary files Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:52:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9KKqVla023498 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:52:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9KKqBJN023494 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:52:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9KKq5bL004090 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:52:10 -0400 Received: from hank.linuxwidows.net (ifitl-61-140-37.asm.bellsouth.net [208.61.140.37]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9KKpYHt023218 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:51:35 -0400 Received: from dhcp-102.1.168.192.linuxwidows.net (brian@dhcp-102.1.168.192.linuxwidows.net [192.168.1.102]) by hank.linuxwidows.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i9KKpX312146 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:51:34 -0400 From: Brian Coyle Organization: CHAOS -- That's a level of organization, isn't it? To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 'diff' for binary files Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:51:23 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: In-Reply-To: X-Reply-Content-Type: No HTML Mail, please! Send plain text. X-GPG-Fingerprint: AE1C 123A 1153 8A63 E8A9 FAEA 111D CCB8 7527 701B X-Message-flag: This has been a test of the M$ Outlook virus system... Had this been an actual virus, you'd have been... Well, toast. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Description: clearsigned data Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410201651.33112.brian@linuxwidows.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, UPPERCASE_25_50 0.00) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9KKqPJN023495 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 20 October 2004 15:36, Eben King wrote: > Suppose I have two (or more) files that are the same size (to the byte), > but have different checksums. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 20 17:52:37 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9KLqbJN023905 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:52:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9KLqauL023904 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:52:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9KLqRJN023900 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:52:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9KLqQbP007003 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:52:27 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9KLpp26013043 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:51:55 -0400 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (104-115.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.115.104]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9KLpjT4023725; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4176DDF6.3020303@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:51:50 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 'diff' for binary files References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.922, required 6, AWL 1.33, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > Suppose I have two (or more) files that are the same size (to the byte), > but have different checksums. How do I find out where they're different? > Some formats (e.g. JPEG) support a comment field; if the difference is > there, it's not signififcant. It would be easier to evaluate a binary > 'diff' than to subtract the two images or listen to two songs or watch > two movies and look for differences that way. Two different files can be be different yet be the same size, but would not have the same checksum. If it is supposes to be the same image oe song, convert it to a different format, if you have "ImageMagick" installed, (in LINUX) enter: "convert Image1.jpg Image1.png" to both then compare the sizes (with no encapsulated text info) look at both PNG's to see of there is a problem with one or the other. I have never found a checksum checker for LINUX to create or verify a file's CRC value, like I had in DOS. That I can recall. -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 20 20:14:22 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9L0E1JN024841 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:14:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9L0DtRQ024840 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:13:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9L0DfJN024836 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:13:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9L0DbbL013930 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:13:41 -0400 Received: from fedora1.mflang.not (adsl-210-24-2.mco.bellsouth.net [68.210.24.2]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9L0DP26008586 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:13:26 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fedora1.mflang.not (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9L0DJMe006645 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:13:20 -0400 From: Max F Lang To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 'diff' for binary files Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:13:16 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <4176DDF6.3020303@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <4176DDF6.3020303@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410202013.18154.mflang@bellsouth.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.401, required 6, AWL 2.50, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 20 October 2004 17:51, Ronald KA4INM Youvan wrote: > I have never found a checksum checker for LINUX to create or > verify a file's CRC value, like I had in DOS. That I can recall. What's wrong with /usr/bin/cksum? It works perfectly: # cksum > CKSUM # diff CKSUM.ftp CKSUM > mydiff # less mydiff wb5udc ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 20 20:41:54 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9L0ffJN025046 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:41:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9L0fWS3025045 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:41:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9L0fPJN025041 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:41:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9L0fObZ015281 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:41:25 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9L0egHt023086 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:40:47 -0400 Received: (qmail 12175 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 23:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.16.56.69) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 23:22:09 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7228F125325; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:21:36 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Supporting Linux - Point and Click Linux at Brandon Dec 2 Message-ID: <20041020232136.GB12421@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <1a3a3e31041020061226babfe8@mail.gmail.com> <417671A6.5070600@roblimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <417671A6.5070600@roblimo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 10:09:42AM -0400, Robin Roblimo Miller wrote: > It's all the same to me; my per-copy > royalties are small (about $1.50) no matter where you buy. Out of $27 discounted price, you get $1.50. How bad does that suck? I had to get out my scientific calculator to figure the miniscule percentage-- 5.5%. There are a lot of people making a lot of money in this business, and the guy who writes the books isn't. Sorry for the rant, but crappy royalty rates really irk me. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 20 21:46:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9L1kYJN025477 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:46:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9L1kYHM025476 for slug-track29; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:46:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9L1kNJN025472 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:46:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9L1kMbL018320 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:46:22 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9L1jZHt007564 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:45:35 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9L1jXT5014174 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:45:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 'diff' for binary files In-Reply-To: <4176DDF6.3020303@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: I have never found a checksum checker for LINUX to create or verify a > file's CRC value, like I had in DOS. That I can recall. sum? md5sum? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Are you confident that you appear to be professional in your electronic communication? Consider this: A: No Q: Can I top post? from nick@xx.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 20 23:27:58 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BNcJJN030073 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:38:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9BNcJtU030072 for slug-track29; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:38:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9BNcIJN030068 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:38:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9BNcHbL031198 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:38:17 -0400 Received: from web14703.mail.yahoo.com (web14703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.120]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i9BNc5Ht008098 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:38:06 -0400 Message-ID: <20041011233805.33368.qmail@web14703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.8.55.20] by web14703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:38:05 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:38:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Dean Shepherd Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1644709853-1097537885=:32759" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.535, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --0-1644709853-1097537885=:32759 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I got the ethernet device activated by putting in 192.168.123.10 for address, 192.168.123.20 for subnet, and 192.168.123.254 for gateway. I can ping 192.168.123.254. However, the light on the router still doesn't light up. I tried configuring a DSL connection, setting it up for DHCP, but couldn't get it to activate. The connection failed. "system-config-network" gave up this: /sbin/adsl-start: line 217: 4723 terminated $ CONNECT "$@">/dev/null 2>&1 It doesn't seem to be picking up the router. Is there a Linux driver that needs to be installed for this(USR 8054 wireless router)? Thanks again for your help, mucho appreciated!! Eben King wrote: On Sun, 10 Oct 2004, Dean Shepherd wrote: > Dean Shepherd wrote: > > > Being the NOOB that I am, I am having trouble setting up my DSL. I > > have a USRobotics wireless router, but the system is wired in via > > ethernet card. I can't seem to get the NIC configured so that it > > picks up. Any help would be appreciated > I am using Fedora 2, when I set up DHCP as instructed by verizon, it > doesn't give me the option to put in a gateway IP. If I set to DHCP, > and ping 192.168.123.254, I get "network is unreachable". If I set it > to static IP, it requires an IP address in addition to a gateway. > Since IP address is dynamic, I don't know what to put for it. > "ifconfig" in root gives the following: > etho Link:encap Ethernet HWaddr: 00:50:2C:07:DA:3F > inet6addr: fe80::250:2cff:fe07:da3f/64 > UPBROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > Rx Packets: 0 errors: 0 dropped: 0 overruns: 0 frame: 0 > Tx Pacets: 13 errors: 0 dropped: 0 overruns: 0 carrier: 0 collisions : 0 txquelen > Rx bytes:0 Tx Bytes:0 > Interrupt: 225 Base address:0xb400 > > lo Lincencap: Lower loopback > inet addr: 1237.0.0.1 Mask 255.0.0.0 > inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope: Host > UPLOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 > Rx Packets 2299: errors: 0 dropped: 0 overruns: 0 frame:0 > Tx packets 2299: errors:0 dropped:0 overruns: 0 carrier: 0 collisions: 0 txqueuelen: 0 Rx bytes: 2299609(28Mb) Tx bytes 2991609 (2.8Mb) > > Hope this helps, forgive any typos. Thanks for the response!! (why not copy+paste?) But if it's set up as I think it is: ( internet ) | [DSL/cable modem] | [USR router] | [Fedora machine] then set the Fedora machine to a static address (IP address=192.168.123.x, gateway=192.168.123.254) until you get the router configured. Make sure the router runs a DHCP client on its WAN side (so it gets an IP address from Verizon) and a DHCP server on its LAN side (so you get an IP addres from it). Actually, any machine on your LAN can run a DHCP server (or you can use static addresses on all the machines), but that's the easiest. Once you get the router fixed up, you can use DHCP. Most likely, it will take whatever address Verizon assigns to it for its WAN side, and its LAN side will be in the 192.168.123.0/24 subnet, and it'll use IP Masquerading aka Network Address Translation between them. Fedora does appear to use IPv6, and it looks like that coexists with IPv4. IPv6 may be extra overhead, if nothing else needs it. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar A: Because it looks dumb and is hard to read. Q: Why is top-posting wrong? -- from lots42@xxx.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! --0-1644709853-1097537885=:32759 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I got the ethernet device activated by putting in 192.168.123.10 for address, 192.168.123.20 for subnet, and 192.168.123.254 for gateway.  I can ping 192.168.123.254.  However, the light on the router still doesn't light up.  I tried configuring a DSL connection, setting it up for DHCP, but couldn't get it to activate.  The connection failed. "system-config-network" gave up this:
/sbin/adsl-start: line 217:  4723 terminated
$ CONNECT "$@">/dev/null 2>&1
It doesn't seem to be picking up the router.  Is there a Linux driver that needs to be installed for this(USR 8054 wireless router)?  Thanks again for your help, mucho appreciated!!

Eben King <eben1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004, Dean Shepherd wrote:

> Dean Shepherd wrote:
>
> > Being the NOOB that I am, I am having trouble setting up my DSL. I
> > have a USRobotics wireless router, but the system is wired in via
> > ethernet card. I can't seem to get the NIC configured so that it
> > picks up. Any help would be appreciated

> I am using Fedora 2, when I set up DHCP as instructed by verizon, it
> doesn't give me the option to put in a gateway IP. If I set to DHCP,
> and ping 192.168.123.254, I get "network is unreachable". If I set it
> to static IP, it requires an IP address in addition to a gateway.
> Since IP address is dynamic, I don't know what to put for it.
> "ifconfig" in root gives the following:

> etho Link:encap Ethernet HWaddr: 00:50:2C:07:DA:3F
> inet6addr: fe80::250:2cff:fe07:da3f/64
> UPBROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
> Rx Packets: 0 errors: 0 dropped: 0 overruns: 0 frame: 0
> Tx Pacets: 13 errors: 0 dropped: 0 overruns: 0 carrier: 0 collisions : 0 txquelen
> Rx bytes:0 Tx Bytes:0
> Interrupt: 225 Base address:0xb400
>
> lo Lincencap: Lower loopback
> inet addr: 1237.0.0.1 Mask 255.0.0.0
> inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope: Host
> UPLOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
> Rx Packets 2299: errors: 0 dropped: 0 overruns: 0 frame:0
> Tx packets 2299: errors:0 dropped:0 overruns: 0 carrier: 0 collisions: 0 txqueuelen: 0 Rx bytes: 2299609(28Mb) Tx bytes 2991609 (2.8Mb)
>
> Hope this helps, forgive any typos. Thanks for the response!!

(why not copy+paste?)

But if it's set up as I think it is:

( internet )
|
[DSL/cable modem]
|
[USR router]
|
[Fedora machine]

then set the Fedora machine to a static! address (IP address=192.168.123.x,
gateway=192.168.123.254) until you get the router configured. Make sure
the router runs a DHCP client on its WAN side (so it gets an IP address
from Verizon) and a DHCP server on its LAN side (so you get an IP addres
from it). Actually, any machine on your LAN can run a DHCP server (or
you can use static addresses on all the machines), but that's the easiest.

Once you get the router fixed up, you can use DHCP. Most likely, it will
take whatever address Verizon assigns to it for its WAN side, and its LAN
side will be in the 192.168.123.0/24 subnet, and it'll use IP
Masquerading aka Network Address Translation between them.

Fedora does appear to use IPv6, and it looks like that coexists with IPv4.
IPv6 may be extra overhead, if nothing else needs it.

--
-eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar

A: Because it looks dumb and is hard to read.
Q: Why is top-posti! ng wrong? -- from lots42@xxx.com



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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 07:45:49 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LBjnEQ003848 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:45:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9LBjnwT003847 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:45:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LBjmEQ003843 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:45:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LBjlbN013878 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:45:48 -0400 Received: from queenie.aqhostdns.com (queenie.aqhostdns.com [67.130.100.130]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LBjY26032633 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:45:34 -0400 Received: from wbar11.tampa1-4-4-131-177.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.4.131.177] helo=[192.168.1.104]) by queenie.aqhostdns.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CKbNq-0002Go-RP for slug@nks.net; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:45:31 -0400 Message-ID: <4177A0AD.1070206@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:42:37 -0400 From: "Robin \"Roblimo\" Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040819 Debian/1.7.2-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Supporting Linux - Point and Click Linux at Brandon Dec 2 References: <1a3a3e31041020061226babfe8@mail.gmail.com> <417671A6.5070600@roblimo.com> <20041020232136.GB12421@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20041020232136.GB12421@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned and found to be clean by AQHost - http://www.AQHost.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - queenie.aqhostdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=5.616, required 6, AWL 1.16, BAYES_00 -4.90, NO_COST 1.67, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >Out of $27 discounted price, you get $1.50. How bad does that suck? I >had to get out my scientific calculator to figure the miniscule >percentage-- 5.5%. There are a lot of people making a lot of money in >this business, and the guy who writes the books isn't. > >Sorry for the rant, but crappy royalty rates really irk me. > > It's rotten -- right down there with a musician's take on an album and the share of Photoshop's retail price that goes to Adobe's programmers. I almost decided to self-publish, but decided it was better to have this book make it into major stores and act as a mass-market Linux advocacy tool than to sell one-fifth as many copies and make 10 times as much per copy. Now here's another funny stat: Warren Woodford can buy copies wholesale for about $16 and sell them through Mepis.org for $27 or even the cover price of $29.95 -- and get that cover price by including an extra CD with more software on it or some other low-cost-to-him premium. So in effect Warren gets a manual written by me at Prentice Hall's expense. Plus Warren gets a chance to convert the book's readers into Mepis subscribers -- invaluable marketing at no cost to him. Me? I own right to the videos and the name. As I said, I'll give away most/all videos on line low-rez, but will sell high-rez versions on CD or DVD -- probably on CD despite lower quality (but still good enough for 640X480) because not everyone has a computer with a DVD player. I'll probably get something on the order of $19.95 for 3 CDs. This will make me money, assuming I market the things with any competence at all. But creators making money directly from their efforts? And only from the act of creation? That is to laugh. And this is why free software is not such a bad deal for programmers as it seems at first -- the actual programmers get such a small cut of the end price that it hardly makes a difference. Get a decent method of transferring money directly from user to creator, whether you're talking about music, software or writing, and this may start to change. I'm doing my little experiment with the videos, but Bob Young is using some of his Red Hat money to do it in a much bigger way. http://www.lulu.com/ is Bob's latest venture. Interesting, eh? I'll be writing about it soon. - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 09:26:21 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LDQKEQ004517 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:26:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9LDQKD2004516 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:26:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LDQKEQ004512 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:26:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LDQJbN018291 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:26:19 -0400 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LDPR26018711 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:25:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15CE115DF for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25776-01-3 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.227.193.223] (p199-227-193-223.max.acun.net [199.227.193.223]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6E211346 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4176FD5F.5040605@acun.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:05:51 -0400 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Supporting Linux References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.36, required 6, AWL 2.15, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 0.75, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net John Pedersen wrote: > > Also, on the topic of supporting Linux, is anybody using Mepis? Hi John! I have MEPIS on this notebook. I have issues with printing, writing to external disks and sound. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 10:38:12 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LEcCEQ004986 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:38:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9LEcCOx004985 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:38:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LEc7EQ004981 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:38:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LEc7bL021807 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:38:07 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LEbl26031957 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:37:47 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-34-159.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.34.159] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKe4Y-0001UY-GT for slug@nks.net; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:37:46 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: Supporting Linux - Point and Click Linux at Brandon Dec 2 -- Publishers From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <417671A6.5070600@roblimo.com> References: <1a3a3e31041020061226babfe8@mail.gmail.com> <417671A6.5070600@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1098369465.2505.579.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:37:45 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79e5377da9c1ffaac6ab3ac09de65e6977350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.34.159 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.859, required 6, AWL 0.04, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 10:09, Robin "Roblimo" Miller wrote: > Hope to see you Dec. 2. I'll happily autograph copies whether you buy > them there or bring them with you. It's all the same to me; my per-copy > royalties are small (about $1.50) no matter where you buy. I wrote this > book not for the money but because I simply wanted it to exist -- and > now it does. Roblimo -- I'm surprised you are at liberty to publicly discuss your royalty agreement. But I have not read your contract so what do I know? ;-ppp I'm not at liberty to discuss any of my contracts, but I can tell you if you are considering writing a book, please check out Packt Publishing: http://www.packtpub.com/index They were formed by some of the former Wrox people. They actually sought me out with a title in mind, but I can't say much else for now. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 12:29:54 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LGTrEQ005726 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:29:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9LGTrDn005725 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:29:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LGTrEQ005721 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:29:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LGTnbP027007 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:29:53 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LGTQHt013257 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:29:31 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9LGTOlN028732 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:29:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] whence /bin/mail? In-Reply-To: <701a1b3304101512083ff00d67@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:18:33 -0400 (EDT), Eben King > wrote: > > > > Back when (Redhat 7.2 and before?) there was a utility called "mail" with > > > > which I could do thing like > > > > > > > > echo "Time to make the doughnuts." | mail -s "Doughnut time" emp@dunkin.com > > > > > > > > which would send a mail with the subject "Doughnut time" and the body > > > > "Time to make the doughnuts." to emp@dunkin.com . No executable called > > > > "mail" exists anywhere that I can find. I'm using Redhat 8 > > > > (sendmail-8.12.5-7). How do I regain that functionality? > > > > > Try 'mailto'. At least that's what it is on Mandrake. > > > > Bah: > > > > [eben@pc eben]$ echo test | mailto -s test eben > > -bash: mailto: command not found > > > > What package is mailto from? > > Try "nail" which is similar to mail i guess. I have both mailto and > nail by default. I installed "mailx". That's the "mail" (82 KB) I remember. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Derived from Robert Heinlein ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 14:03:11 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LI3BEQ006372 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:03:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9LI3BfJ006371 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:03:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LI3AEQ006367 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:03:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LI3AbL031315 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:03:10 -0400 Received: from ns.rosile.com (bdsl.66.13.159.12.gte.net [66.13.159.12]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LI1xHt005462 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:02:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200410211802.i9LI1xHt005462@nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net> Received: (qmail 27790 invoked by uid 86); 21 Oct 2004 18:02:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO COM) (mford@badmojo.biz@199.227.170.68) by ns.rosile.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2004 18:02:28 -0000 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Palm From: "Marc Ford" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:55:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MultiMail(c) Deluxe 1998-2001 2.5.1, Palm, Inc. X-Sender: mford@badmojo.biz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.195, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Has any one had any luck syncing a palm using a network connection? My new palm has wi-fi and I would like to sync using it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 16:05:31 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LK5REQ007212 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:05:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9LK5RII007211 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:05:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LK5EEQ007207 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:05:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LK4sbN004489 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:05:14 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com ([66.252.134.3]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LK4GHt005918 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:04:38 -0400 Received: from pcp03955260pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.56.208] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CKjAJ-0003rf-UP for slug@nks.net; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:04:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Supporting Linux - Point and Click Linux at Brandon Dec 2 -- Publishers From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1098369465.2505.579.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <1a3a3e31041020061226babfe8@mail.gmail.com> <417671A6.5070600@roblimo.com> <1098369465.2505.579.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-pUiG+wBZjbVjynOr2Zte" Organization: I.T. Are Belonging To Us Message-Id: <1098389031.6722.6.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:03:51 -0400 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-pUiG+wBZjbVjynOr2Zte Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 10:37, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 10:09, Robin "Roblimo" Miller wrote: Lately, I have tried to remain reticent, yet I am stimulated to comment. Mr. Smith, try surfing here: http://roblimo.com . You will find he has written a couple of books. He even occassionally interviews folks on a little known website called slashdot. http://slashdot.org . The Logan --=20 15:55:01 up 24 days, 17:09, 5 users, load average: 0.23, 0.37, 0.60 Formal education can rarely improve the character of a scoundrel. --Derek B= ok, Harvard University ICQ: 72101412 AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Jabber: logantheclever Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-pUiG+wBZjbVjynOr2Zte Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBeBYn3OecGqSbkyMRAoDBAKCtFtVnR0j17HnipKqHesvFaYsA2wCglPVz 431TUyvGi+Oo00r+lUiZIAA= =Y50R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-pUiG+wBZjbVjynOr2Zte-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 16:22:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LKMHEQ007344 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:22:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9LKMH0m007343 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:22:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LKMGEQ007339 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:22:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LKMGbL005286 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:22:16 -0400 Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LKM626028002 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:22:07 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([4.47.204.60]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041021202157.VSPW22257.out007.verizon.net@[192.168.1.2]> for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:21:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router From: Joe Brandt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20041011233805.33368.qmail@web14703.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041011233805.33368.qmail@web14703.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1098390148.8199.1.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:22:29 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [4.47.204.60] at Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:21:56 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.277, required 6, AWL 1.87, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_RFCI 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 19:38, Dean Shepherd wrote: > However, the light on the router still doesn't light up. A sign of a hardware problem, check your cabling. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 17:16:33 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LLGXEQ007703 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:16:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9LLGXPt007702 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:16:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LLGWEQ007698 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:16:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LLGWbN007628 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:16:32 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LLGD26004778 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:16:18 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9LLG3B8020356 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:16:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router In-Reply-To: <1098390148.8199.1.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 19:38, Dean Shepherd wrote: > > However, the light on the router still doesn't light up. > > A sign of a hardware problem, check your cabling. Specifically, power. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar A. A Top Poster B. Who's there? A. Knock-knock -- from bobward@xxx.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 17:39:21 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LLdLEQ007869 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:39:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9LLdLCJ007868 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:39:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LLdKEQ007864 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:39:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LLdGbL008594 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:39:20 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LLd6Ht029679 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:39:06 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AAAFFA2E for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:39:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Helping AutoCAD with Linux Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:45:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Message-Id: <200410211745.08864.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.7, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_CONST_9 0.20) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9LLdKEQ007865 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From AutoCAD Architectural Desktop 2005 ***Project Creation and Modification in certain network environments 568101*** "In some network environments, projects cannot be created or modified when located on the servers. We have found that when the network shares have only the servers’ local administrator account with full permissions, our tests failed. If the servers’ local administrator group (which the local administrator account is a member) had full permissions to the share, our tests worked." Ok, so I'm using Samba. The users have been happy up until now that this piece of software doesn't allow for them to create a Project Navigator object. The above is apparently the windows circumvention to the issue. I don't know how I'd do this in Samba. I've tried a myriad of attempts, but they've failed. The only way it works is if the projects are created under the root share folder: /usr/projects Anything else deeper than that fails. However, if a user makes a project on his/her desktop and copies it, all is well there too. I don't understand how best to makes this happen with Samba and Linux. Anybody? (success...) drwxrwxrwt 34 root users 4096 Oct 21 16:56 /usr/projects/ (failure...) drwxrwxr-x 69 root users 4096 Oct 1 10:45 /usr/projects/2003 Projects/ >From /etc/samba/smb.conf... [projects] comment = Client projects and architectural drawings path = /usr/projects read only = No # read only = %S # admin users = @charlie valid users = @users admin users = @users # create mask = 0664 # directory mask = 0775 # inherit permissions = Yes # guest ok = yes [it] comment = Company software path = /usr/it read only = No # read only = %S # admin users = @charlie valid users = @users admin users = @users # create mask = 0664 # directory mask = 0775 # inherit permissions = Yes # guest ok = Yes /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 17:43:37 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LLhbEQ007918 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:43:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9LLhb6O007917 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:43:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LLhaEQ007913 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:43:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LLhabL008776 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:43:36 -0400 Received: from invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net (invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.254]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LLhIHt030635 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:43:19 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-34-159.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.34.159] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKkiM-00020M-IW for slug@nks.net; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:43:18 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: Supporting Linux - Point and Click Linux at Brandon Dec 2 -- dumbfounded? From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1098389031.6722.6.camel@sirus> References: <1a3a3e31041020061226babfe8@mail.gmail.com> <417671A6.5070600@roblimo.com> <1098369465.2505.579.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1098389031.6722.6.camel@sirus> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1098394997.2505.986.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:43:17 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7939786391ebb8525520c2dd3dda7f5a67350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.34.159 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 16:03, Logan Tygart wrote: > On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 10:37, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 10:09, Robin "Roblimo" Miller wrote: > > Lately, I have tried to remain reticent, yet I am stimulated to > comment. Mr. Smith, try surfing here: http://roblimo.com . You will > find he has written a couple of books. He even occassionally interviews > folks on a little known website called slashdot. http://slashdot.org . > > The Logan I am confused, what are you trying to tell me here? I am fully aware of who he is, I always have been. I just have never met an author who was at liberty to disclose their royalties. I also wanted to comment that the royalty seemed quite low. What was your point? I'm still missing that. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 18:41:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LMfDEQ008341 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:41:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9LMfDCZ008340 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:41:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LMfDEQ008336 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:41:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LMfCbL011220 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:41:12 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.220]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LMev26018633 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:40:57 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-34-159.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.34.159] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by asmtp-a063f35.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKlc9-0005Ld-6b for slug@nks.net; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:40:57 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: Helping AutoCAD with Linux -- "force create/directory mode" options ... From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410211745.08864.mario@alienscience.com> References: <200410211745.08864.mario@alienscience.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Message-Id: <1098398456.2505.1031.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:40:56 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec796e188390d4c8f3e02c402189fe969302350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.34.159 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.863, required 6, AWL 0.04, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9LMfDEQ008337 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 17:45, Mario Lombardo wrote: > >From AutoCAD Architectural Desktop 2005 > ***Project Creation and Modification in certain network environments 568101*** > "In some network environments, projects cannot be created or modified when > located on the servers. We have found that when the network shares have only > the servers¢ local administrator account with full permissions, our tests > failed. If the servers¢ local administrator group (which the local > administrator account is a member) had full permissions to the share, our > tests worked." > Ok, so I'm using Samba. The users have been happy up until now that > this piece of software doesn't allow for them to create a Project > Navigator object. Actually it will, and quite nicely too. You're having the issue where a user is writing out a file, then another user is attempting to modify it. Although you _are_ using a "create mode" that is 0664/0775, there is no "force create/directory mode" which would _guarantee_ 0664 or 0775. In the case a user's mask is 022, instead of the required 002, the file is not group writable. > The above is apparently the windows circumvention to the issue. Yes, to totally bypass permissions altogeher. > I don't know how I'd do this in Samba. I've tried a myriad of > attempts, but they've failed. The only way it works is if the > projects are created under the root share folder: > /usr/projects > Anything else deeper than that fails. Correct, because a specific user is creating new folders with 0755 instead of 0775. Use the "force" options on the share (avoid globally, for obvious, home directory reasons). > However, if a user makes a project on his/her desktop and copies it, > all is well there too. Of course, because all users can still _read_ the data. Once it is on the Windows system, because it is a "copy," NT resets permissions to whatever those are of the directory you copied them into. > I don't understand how best to makes this happen with Samba and > Linux. Anybody? Yes, use the "force create/directory mode" options on your shares. Probably wouldn't hurt to use the "force group" option too. I have added the lines below ... > [projects] > comment = Client projects and architectural drawings > path = /usr/projects > read only = No > # read only = %S > # admin users = @charlie > valid users = @users > admin users = @users force group = users > > # create mask = 0664 > # directory mask = 0775 force create mode = 0664 force directory mode = 0775 > # inherit permissions = Yes > # guest ok = yes > > > [it] > comment = Company software > path = /usr/it > read only = No > # read only = %S > # admin users = @charlie > valid users = @users > admin users = @users force group = users > > # create mask = 0664 > # directory mask = 0775 force create mode = 0664 force directory mode = 0775 > > # inherit permissions = Yes > # guest ok = Yes -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 19:37:54 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LNbrEQ008729 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:37:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9LNbrbV008728 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:37:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9LNbrEQ008724 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:37:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LNbnbL013504 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:37:53 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9LNbTHt026150 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:37:29 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9LNbRNv016104 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:37:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] zero-padding in bash Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: 003, 57 -> 057, 792 -> 792. {,pd}ksh could do this years ago, as typeset -Z3 varname varname=3 echo $varname # or "print $varname" and the output is "003". How do I do it in bash? Or do I need to keep on using pdksh for all my padding needs? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar GEMINI: Your birthday party will be ruined once again by your explosive flatulence. Your love life will run into trouble when your fiancee hurls a javelin through your chest. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 20:08:24 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M08OEQ008958 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:08:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9M08OLU008957 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:08:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M08NEQ008953 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:08:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M08NbN014814 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:08:23 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M082Ht001436 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:08:06 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so112016rnk for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:08:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=okpvFfPe6IiqzOGc8+VJeGnv7a5ZfXpBvNqDLlc0d7u2odVzFS4hdOEFl3WWY4KwoAlpmRBhRd4JofVtCthzcKniIkM9NtbSuAGSL/dTGE+dFK1CyFpZEDTsQAH7eTUd6NyLG0ghahAn01K24iGzbJMWsgl7xMy2KH+6HxXR/0o= Received: by 10.38.9.23 with SMTP id 23mr235986rni; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905704102117086865e201@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:08:01 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Which IM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks, I have not got into this one before, but I need to use a IM for messaging with a friend. I am running SuSE 9.1 and wonder which one you SLUGs recom- ment? -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 20:21:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M0LjEQ009067 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:21:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9M0LjUl009066 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:21:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M0LiEQ009062 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:21:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M0LibL015324 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:21:44 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M0LIHt004046 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:21:18 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so125361rnk for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:21:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=FOO/qIN01NBJXqnfEwe9eeFZ0jLzMiZNGeYkuovryg9TlJyS+HY4to+PmB3w5eYbl2Dj3ez6jMZrL1KZsiM9VeROzAcSB2wm+PncJvrrMK6I1376sVs2j5zKzkyLSN30bHWemJYkZhBBRP/QrwY2+yO0vS4llyrJizwQIp4URVs= Received: by 10.38.74.76 with SMTP id w76mr51840rna; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.14 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:21:17 -0400 From: Bill Shaw To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which IM In-Reply-To: <620c905704102117086865e201@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <620c905704102117086865e201@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Gaim is my vote for the best IM program. It handles AIM, Yahoo, Messenger, IRQ, ICQ and a few other things. http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:08:01 -0700, Chuck Hast wrote: > Folks, > I have not got into this one before, but I need to use a IM for messaging with > a friend. I am running SuSE 9.1 and wonder which one you SLUGs recom- > ment? > > -- > Chuck Hast > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going > out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn > and twisted metal." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 20:31:27 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M0VREQ009163 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:31:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9M0VRbg009162 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:31:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M0VQEQ009158 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:31:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M0VPbT015723 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:31:26 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M0UAHt005758 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:30:11 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so113910rnk for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:30:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=hW0ucqEnt+uaNJBhK35QSGuFOqX5xHGSpvyr8YyPUYXHBBd3l0/YVsMW0nC0dQxjc8V2vcZF5nyt7yH8PlHkoYvvgQHWmYBRWiLS0o90wb/jy6Nx5klevdtDLbaDhjeI87oHamZX1zzdzFJ8e+azYoMoJ2w1/rY6h/7LkZWB6FE= Received: by 10.38.208.34 with SMTP id f34mr3394057rng; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905704102117301b31962c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:30:10 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which IM In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <620c905704102117086865e201@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:21:17 -0400, Bill Shaw wrote: > Gaim is my vote for the best IM program. It handles AIM, Yahoo, > Messenger, IRQ, ICQ and a few other things. > > http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ > Tnx, I have been looking at it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 21:02:20 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M12KEQ009379 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:02:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9M12Ku5009378 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:02:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M12JEQ009374 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:02:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M12JbL016888 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:02:19 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M12926009329 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:02:09 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9M126T5011624 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:02:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which IM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Gaim is my vote for the best IM program. It handles AIM, Yahoo, > Messenger, IRQ, ICQ and a few other things. > > http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ Seconded. Available also for that more common x86 OS. -- I firmly believed we should not march into Baghdad ...To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant, into a latter-day Arab hero assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator [.] - George Bush Sr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 21:26:53 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M1QrEQ009557 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:26:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9M1Qrhh009556 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:26:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M1QqEQ009552 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:26:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M1QpbN017817 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:26:52 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M1QYHt019157 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:26:34 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so118566rnk for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:26:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=r2VaDvLnxNWzyw4KXpdX0aq6LeRJnO3F8mZOAoyMXjc8ztcdewnCra5TcsJSnFY+shzSlto1A0IpPwo/Anm0oQpyckrBZip+Jp7uXXjzWgvUi8p4Lu7WWIyqqYRWWIkWgHUJsiVtk2aEnpKhBau+N5vU9mmsgngFpWBEb9kFaQE= Received: by 10.38.208.34 with SMTP id f34mr3415412rng; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570410211826b070d34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:26:33 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which IM In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:02:05 -0400 (EDT), Eben King wrote: > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Bill Shaw wrote: > > > Gaim is my vote for the best IM program. It handles AIM, Yahoo, > > Messenger, IRQ, ICQ and a few other things. > > > > http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ > > Seconded. Available also for that more common x86 OS. > Gaim Others 2 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 21:31:35 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M1VZEQ009610 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:31:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9M1VZJp009609 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:31:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M1VYEQ009605 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:31:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M1VWbh018011 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:31:34 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M1VCHt020117 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:31:13 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so131702rnk for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:31:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=m5goIMfm8Amg7wej0M9SaNPAXWC4+KHMe3/qUmrKgmQZVMEj9P9fVL7lTmcI1MS6hVfF0YDM18gwPImf8skaOWhTqMkLBZEwanWxhr61bSABUElPZBlJ7g+QDcn34Yifhnsm2FyafESw6aFybwqGEmEbhFlAMNqpf7hdeqZ5aWw= Received: by 10.38.96.28 with SMTP id t28mr1805275rnb; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.15.19 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b361d39041021183188c2b57@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:31:12 -0400 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which IM In-Reply-To: <620c90570410211826b070d34@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <620c90570410211826b070d34@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net gaim On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:26:33 -0700, Chuck Hast wrote: > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:02:05 -0400 (EDT), Eben King > wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Bill Shaw wrote: > > > > > Gaim is my vote for the best IM program. It handles AIM, Yahoo, > > > Messenger, IRQ, ICQ and a few other things. > > > > > > http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ > > > > Seconded. Available also for that more common x86 OS. > > > > Gaim Others > 2 0 > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 22:15:49 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M2FnEQ009905 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:15:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9M2Fn2N009904 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:15:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M2FmEQ009900 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:15:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M2FmbL019766 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:15:48 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M2Fi26020751 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:15:44 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so122591rnk for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:15:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=WN1oK/VGMDgBVahyLqwk1amwfOt3wOmwCBMWLv4KHW3RayyI81oFiRECP5LjbWvhMHodpfhbGSY4U6x5oWzqG9cWhKkogWcJb46BPjhFYHTiaEktwlgxvhGFvnBuomMahSJii8dbElKyDr3jLdycoEPOtzGxIeRpJK9O3nXBl3A= Received: by 10.38.9.23 with SMTP id 23mr282174rni; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905704102119156cb0b8bd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:15:43 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which IM In-Reply-To: <8b361d39041021183188c2b57@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <620c90570410211826b070d34@mail.gmail.com> <8b361d39041021183188c2b57@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.882, required 6, AWL 2.02, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:31:12 -0400, chris lee wrote: > gaim > > > > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:26:33 -0700, Chuck Hast wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:02:05 -0400 (EDT), Eben King > > wrote: > > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Bill Shaw wrote: > > > > > > > Gaim is my vote for the best IM program. It handles AIM, Yahoo, > > > > Messenger, IRQ, ICQ and a few other things. > > > > > > > > http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ > > > > > > Seconded. Available also for that more common x86 OS. > > > > > > > Gaim Others > > 3 0 > > OK, which one do I pull down for SuSE? I see for RH, Mandrake and then there is a tarball, do I need to pull down and compile? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 22:19:03 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M2J3EQ009936 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:19:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9M2J3fU009935 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:19:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M2J2EQ009931 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:19:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M2IwbL019851 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:19:02 -0400 Received: from queenie.aqhostdns.com (queenie.aqhostdns.com [67.130.100.130]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M2IpHt032087 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:18:52 -0400 Received: from wbar11.tampa1-4-4-131-177.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.4.131.177] helo=[192.168.1.104]) by queenie.aqhostdns.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CKpv1-0008Tw-VC for slug@nks.net; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:16:44 -0400 Message-ID: <41786D60.1090103@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:16:00 -0400 From: "Robin \"Roblimo\" Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040819 Debian/1.7.2-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Supporting Linux - Point and Click Linux at Brandon Dec 2 -- dumbfounded? References: <1a3a3e31041020061226babfe8@mail.gmail.com> <417671A6.5070600@roblimo.com> <1098369465.2505.579.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> <1098389031.6722.6.camel@sirus> <1098394997.2505.986.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> In-Reply-To: <1098394997.2505.986.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned and found to be clean by AQHost - http://www.AQHost.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - queenie.aqhostdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.787, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, MANGLED_CASH 1.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >I just have never met an author who was at liberty to disclose their >royalties. I also wanted to comment that the royalty seemed quite low. > Why wouldn't an author discuss royalty rates? It's a standard conversation topic on writers' lists, and there's no clause in my contract or any author's contract I've ever seen that prohibts it. Maybe the authors you're met were ashamed about how little they were getting.... :) The "standard" for computer books is 15% of the publisher's net (i.e. wholesale price). After you figure returns, bulk discount deals, and other finagling, that means an author gets about $1.50 per book based on a $29.95 cover price even though the percentage looks at first glance like it should give the author closer to $2.25. A few publishers, notably No Starch and APress, will pay up to 15% of gross, but the tradeoff is that they give little or no advance money, and sales tend to be smaller (not much exposure in big chain bookstores) than if you go with one of the biggies. I got a middle-of-the-road advance for P&CL - neither huge nor tiny - in exchange for me keeping video and name rights. My last book was a "business book," not a "computer book," so I got a higher advance for it. I also get a nice cut of things like movie rights (figure the odds!) and translations. Plus if this sucker takes off and goes into more editions or someone like Novell wants a version custom-written for their distro, I get paid more ca$h for what amounts to an easy cut and past rewrite of a few chapters *and* the royalty stream grows. Plus there's a good chance for a series of "Point & Click _____" books. If that happens I'll get a small bit from each title. Writing computer books is nearly vanity publishing -- something you do for career advancement instead of for the cash -- unless you can turn out 4 or more per year, in which case it can be a passable living for someone living around here, although not nearly enough to live on decently in NYC or Silly Valley. As long as I have a full-time job, I doubt that I can handle more than one book per year, but if I lost my job I could probably crank out enough books to survive, especially with some magazine articles and maybe a little cab driving on the side. Always good to have a backup. AND if you "score" now and then with that one sells enough copies to pull in $50,000/year or more in royalties *with no more work besides updates*, and you can pull one of those off every 3 or 4 years, at some point you can quit your day job and coast, maybe crank out two puter books and a (crapshoot) novel every year. I know people who have gotten this pattern going, and I probably can too if I'm willing to plug long and hard enough. - Robin PS - Anyone can do this. I have no particular talent. It's just a lot of *work* to get to the royalties-as-sinecure point. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 22:50:34 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M2oYEQ010189 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:50:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9M2oY08010188 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:50:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M2oXEQ010184 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:50:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M2oXbL021079 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:50:33 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M2oL26025549 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:50:21 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9M2oIlN003252 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:50:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which IM In-Reply-To: <620c905704102119156cb0b8bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: OK, which one do I pull down for SuSE? I see for RH, Mandrake and > then there is a tarball, do I need to pull down and compile? Go ahead and get the source. It's easy to compile. You can try either of the binary versions, but I'd make a custom-compiled one (I have several times). -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Your pretended fear lest error might step in is like the man who would keep all wine out of the country lest men should be drunk. -- Oliver Cromwell ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 23:02:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M32jEQ010273 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:02:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9M32jmr010272 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:02:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M32iEQ010268 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:02:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M32ibL021611 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:02:44 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M32U26028290 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:02:30 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so139199rnk for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:02:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LbtCal8aDTgKSHfceD7OyPU2V71xB7UPkkjc6USEjPVYMZ7EHKGMbJ+pLsgbb5AGOy6BHO2qXpRy1aDagmCM7R1TOeT4o7Lomm8NzBsPMMsLzjSDPF89WpNbPvwgzfJWjuSAdE6hPajP40SVYW30pY2vx55pTv1W5qAnp0Q7WRE= Received: by 10.38.78.61 with SMTP id a61mr173720rnb; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.19 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e3104102120025b6ffe94@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:02:29 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] zero-padding in bash In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.599, required 6, AWL 2.30, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net printf '%03d' "${varname}" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 23:12:56 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M3CtEQ010350 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:12:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9M3CtxK010349 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:12:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M3CtEQ010345 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:12:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M3CsbL022001 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:12:55 -0400 Received: from smtp1.us4.outblaze.com (smtp1.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.78]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i9M3CnHt012593 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:12:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 27810 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 03:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.231.192.172?) (3.14159265359:mad.scientist.com?mail.com@192.88.124.206) by smtp1.us4.outblaze.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 03:12:48 -0000 Message-ID: <41787AAB.4000708@mad.scientist.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:12:43 -0400 From: "Felix S. Boecker" <3.14159265359@mad.scientist.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which IM References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.16, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I agree ... gaim is one of the easiest apps to compile from source. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 23:28:28 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M3SSEQ010478 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:28:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9M3SS4i010477 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:28:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M3SREQ010473 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:28:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M3SQbL022566 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:28:27 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M3SE26031734 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:28:15 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=[192.168.2.103]) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKq5q-0003P8-QX for slug@nks.net; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:27:54 -0700 Message-ID: <41788021.7070803@apotheon.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:36:01 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040926) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which IM References: <620c90570410211826b070d34@mail.gmail.com> <8b361d39041021183188c2b57@mail.gmail.com> <620c905704102119156cb0b8bd@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c905704102119156cb0b8bd@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.744, required 6, AWL 2.51, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:31:12 -0400, chris lee > wrote: > >>gaim >> >> >> >> >>On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:26:33 -0700, Chuck Hast wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:02:05 -0400 (EDT), Eben King >>> wrote: >>> >>>>On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Bill Shaw wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Gaim is my vote for the best IM program. It handles AIM, Yahoo, >>>>>Messenger, IRQ, ICQ and a few other things. >>>>> >>>>>http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ >>>> >>>>Seconded. Available also for that more common x86 OS. >>>> >>> >>>Gaim Others >>> 3 0 >>> > > > OK, which one do I pull down for SuSE? I see for RH, Mandrake and > then there is a tarball, do I need to pull down and compile? You should be able to install it using YaST2 in SuSE. Might as well use the native package management system -- the graphical front end for it (YaST2) is decent in SuSE, though it doesn't compare to apt for Debian. By the way, you can add my vote for gaim to your tally as well. SuSE, as I recall, defaults to KDE. You probably already have at least kaim, and maybe also gaim, installed. Check in the menus on your taskbar (or whatever they call it in KDE) before you start installing anything. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 23:51:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M3pFEQ010654 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:51:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9M3pEu7010653 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:51:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M3pEEQ010649 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:51:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M3p9bX023428 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:51:14 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M3o726002029 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:50:07 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9M3o5lN002800 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:50:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which IM In-Reply-To: <41788021.7070803@apotheon.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Chuck Hast wrote: > > > > OK, which one do I pull down for SuSE? I see for RH, Mandrake and > > then there is a tarball, do I need to pull down and compile? > > You should be able to install it using YaST2 in SuSE. Might as well use > the native package management system -- the graphical front end for it > (YaST2) is decent in SuSE, though it doesn't compare to apt for Debian. > > By the way, you can add my vote for gaim to your tally as well. > > SuSE, as I recall, defaults to KDE. You probably already have at least > kaim, and maybe also gaim, installed. Check in the menus on your > taskbar (or whatever they call it in KDE) before you start installing > anything. It may be that gaim is already there. Some protocols are often changed (notably Yahoo! Messenger, less so AIM and MSN Messenger), so gaim's author has to re-implement support for those. If you _do_ have gaim, and can't get it to work, you might just need a newer copy. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all. -Oscar Wilde ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 21 23:52:40 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M3qeEQ010674 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:52:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9M3qePv010673 for slug-track29; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:52:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M3qdEQ010669 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:52:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M3qdbL023504 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:52:39 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M3qRHt021233 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:52:27 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9M3qPlN003774 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:52:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] zero-padding in bash In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e3104102120025b6ffe94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: printf '%03d' "${varname}" Thanks. Not so easily found as "typeset -Z3", but more versatile. That will reduce my reliance on sed and dc for format conversions. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar This message was created using recycled electrons. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 00:01:26 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M41QEQ010753 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:01:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9M41Qlt010752 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:01:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M41PEQ010748 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:01:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M41ObX023805 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:01:25 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M40Y26004548 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:00:35 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so130803rnk for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:00:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=fXxGFBchjmZRKfXSyWRbcIRpx2b+/OU3w/p0vs+coiTQN8J9YVfo61ME6LgA6cwXXiUI1mgpeQO6gcBKU8EeC34Eu6eYE1SPkwANiX64vPoXVBNedo0cqOGFxYWBmhdxgOLlxIPIdQv8kZiSwL2qfA3+C//lOwEI1/zRqhyib2Y= Received: by 10.38.24.46 with SMTP id 46mr296674rnx; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570410212100209a4d05@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:00:34 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which IM In-Reply-To: <41788021.7070803@apotheon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <620c90570410211826b070d34@mail.gmail.com> <8b361d39041021183188c2b57@mail.gmail.com> <620c905704102119156cb0b8bd@mail.gmail.com> <41788021.7070803@apotheon.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.97, required 6, AWL 1.93, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:36:01 -0400, Chad Perrin wrote: > Chuck Hast wrote: > > > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:31:12 -0400, chris lee > > wrote: > > > >>gaim > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:26:33 -0700, Chuck Hast wrote: > >> > >>>On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:02:05 -0400 (EDT), Eben King > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>>On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Bill Shaw wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Gaim is my vote for the best IM program. It handles AIM, Yahoo, > >>>>>Messenger, IRQ, ICQ and a few other things. > >>>>> > >>>>>http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ > >>>> > >>>>Seconded. Available also for that more common x86 OS. > >>>> > >>> > >>>Gaim Others > >>> 3 0 > >>> > > > > > > OK, which one do I pull down for SuSE? I see for RH, Mandrake and > > then there is a tarball, do I need to pull down and compile? > > You should be able to install it using YaST2 in SuSE. Might as well use > the native package management system -- the graphical front end for it > (YaST2) is decent in SuSE, though it doesn't compare to apt for Debian. I used YaST it found gaim 075. when I went to install it there were a bunch of dependecies missing. > > By the way, you can add my vote for gaim to your tally as well. > > SuSE, as I recall, defaults to KDE. You probably already have at least > kaim, and maybe also gaim, installed. Check in the menus on your > taskbar (or whatever they call it in KDE) before you start installing > anything. It may be that gaim is already there. > The only thing I find is 'kopete' I tried it, I tried to log into yahoo, but it kept on telling my my password was bad (but I could log in to yahoo mail just fine so unless they now have two different logins something was not right) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 00:27:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M4R5EQ010952 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:27:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9M4R5mv010951 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:27:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M4R4EQ010947 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:27:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M4R3bP025233 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:27:04 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M4QiHt031767 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:26:45 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so132788rnk for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:26:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cFrMmRsgRuJeImNhZspDSeoiWuhckKehf4RgJmNJQAvv39S2iRifyA1YV8nG024ghhsVIgQ+z9xiGfyuRiLvwN5L3d7IXIM9kNJM3QxcZzR3wXKpKn76cpWU9MkBAZlhF/3kkhfeaJTuHl2I0pyFOw07o+QNEc8BupSBTlM9oXM= Received: by 10.38.24.46 with SMTP id 46mr304906rnx; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.207.32 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:26:44 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] St Pete Meeting reminder Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If anyone is interested, I will share my adventures with localization under Debian, specifically making ls(1), man(1), and other unix tools speak Spanish. You haven't lived until you've read man ls in spanish. :) Also, has anyone given thought to organizing a MozParty2 party in the tampabay area? http://www.openforce.at/mozparty2/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 01:39:34 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M5dYEQ011425 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:39:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9M5dYTh011424 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:39:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9M5dXEQ011420 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:39:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M5dWbP028366 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:39:33 -0400 Received: from host15.ipowerweb.com (host15.ipowerweb.com [66.235.219.115]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9M5dGHt017646 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:39:17 -0400 Received: from 235-121.200-68.tampabay.rr.com ([68.200.121.235] helo=[192.168.2.103]) by host15.ipowerweb.com with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKs8e-0007cW-8D for slug@nks.net; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:38:56 -0700 Message-ID: <41789ED7.8090403@apotheon.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:47:03 -0400 From: Chad Perrin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040926) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which IM References: <620c90570410211826b070d34@mail.gmail.com> <8b361d39041021183188c2b57@mail.gmail.com> <620c905704102119156cb0b8bd@mail.gmail.com> <41788021.7070803@apotheon.com> <620c90570410212100209a4d05@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570410212100209a4d05@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host15.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: > > I used YaST it found gaim 075. when I went to install it there were a bunch > of dependecies missing. > > Make sure GTK+ is installed as well. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 06:30:50 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MAUoEQ013640 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:30:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9MAUogD013639 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:30:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MAUnEQ013635 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:30:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MAUnbL009111 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:30:49 -0400 Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp3.ij.net [207.100.203.151]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i9MAUY26002995 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:30:34 -0400 Received: (qmail 2568 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2004 10:30:33 -0000 Received: from paddy@ij.net by smtp.ij.net by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (clamscan: 0.73. Clear:. Processed in 0.11213 secs); 22 Oct 2004 10:30:33 -0000 Received: from perm71-193.ij.net (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (209.216.71.193) by smtp3-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 10:30:33 -0000 Message-ID: <4178E13F.3040007@ij.net> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:30:23 -0400 From: paddy User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] [Fwd: [SA12929] Mandrake update for gaim] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.915, required 6, AWL 2.34, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net RE: On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:21:17 -0400, Bill Shaw wrote: >> Gaim is my vote for the best IM program. It handles AIM, Yahoo, >> Messenger, IRQ, ICQ and a few other things. >> >> http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ >> Tnx, I have been looking at it. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [SA12929] Mandrake update for gaim Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:01:45 +0200 From: Secunia Security Advisories To: paddy@ij.net TITLE: Mandrake update for gaim SECUNIA ADVISORY ID: SA12929 VERIFY ADVISORY: http://secunia.com/advisories/12929/ CRITICAL: Highly critical IMPACT: System access WHERE: >From remote OPERATING SYSTEM: Mandrakelinux 10.0 http://secunia.com/product/3918/ DESCRIPTION: MandrakeSoft has issued an update for gaim. This fixes two vulnerabilities, which potentially can be exploited by malicious people to compromise a user's system. For more information: SA12125 SOLUTION: Apply updated packages. Mandrakelinux 10.0: fb5e0402f4debc556bbd9415d96f9638 10.0/RPMS/gaim-0.75-5.3.100mdk.i586.rpm 9b398cc925dabbf3cdc5f2dd412d09cb 10.0/RPMS/gaim-encrypt-0.75-5.3.100mdk.i586.rpm d27addd1e3d0392f1076cb26ff274af3 10.0/RPMS/gaim-festival-0.75-5.3.100mdk.i586.rpm 2076ce789cfd20e8a09963d7966846d6 10.0/RPMS/gaim-perl-0.75-5.3.100mdk.i586.rpm e9bb68490f6e66f8f53602c646bfe6e8 10.0/RPMS/libgaim-remote0-0.75-5.3.100mdk.i586.rpm 1fc1fb4b90b3772b315b84c35c9a91c1 10.0/RPMS/libgaim-remote0-devel-0.75-5.3.100mdk.i586.rpm 949b9d4232202401c724cb01fc220e1e 10.0/SRPMS/gaim-0.75-5.3.100mdk.src.rpm Mandrakelinux 10.0/AMD64: 63f64fdf9a464f06a6626b27ca7a523c amd64/10.0/RPMS/gaim-0.75-5.3.100mdk.amd64.rpm 163af8675953560f0ffc38650971fd54 amd64/10.0/RPMS/gaim-encrypt-0.75-5.3.100mdk.amd64.rpm 8361be40fdbb0ed37be46fdf99885554 amd64/10.0/RPMS/gaim-festival-0.75-5.3.100mdk.amd64.rpm 7e618514ba49b043dce5e295240f7ef9 amd64/10.0/RPMS/gaim-perl-0.75-5.3.100mdk.amd64.rpm 2d21ba0e9402576f374a710946e7eae1 amd64/10.0/RPMS/lib64gaim-remote0-0.75-5.3.100mdk.amd64.rpm 4ae450fd3b03c6efd96ea2f62d9ab0d5 amd64/10.0/RPMS/lib64gaim-remote0-devel-0.75-5.3.100mdk.amd64.rpm 949b9d4232202401c724cb01fc220e1e amd64/10.0/SRPMS/gaim-0.75-5.3.100mdk.src.rpm ORIGINAL ADVISORY: http://www.mandrakesoft.com/security/advisories?name=MDKSA-2004:110 OTHER REFERENCES: SA12125: http://secunia.com/advisories/12125/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- About: This Advisory was delivered by Secunia as a free service to help everybody keeping their systems up to date against the latest vulnerabilities. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 06:43:39 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MAhdEQ013729 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:43:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9MAhdTj013728 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:43:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MAhcEQ013724 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:43:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MAhcbN009577 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:43:38 -0400 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MAhJHt021647 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:43:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B82611DF3 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26344-01-8 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.227.193.192] (p199-227-193-192.max.acun.net [199.227.193.192]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7B211DFD for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:40:23 -0400 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Wireless broadband Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.835, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.42, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi Everybody! Anyone know of a good wireless broadband to use in Florida? I mean go from place to place even mobile like a cell phone with a PCMCIA card or something stuck into the notebook. Is there anything? Of course, this *has* to work with Linux as well as Window$. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 08:43:06 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MCh6EQ014580 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:43:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9MCh6U4014579 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:43:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MCh6EQ014575 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:43:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MCh5bL014015 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:43:05 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MCgh26023960 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:42:43 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so163092rnk for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:42:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=t6jKxuj3JdEKJZlVREvae8tT7Fm+Yr8FZ4skchD6OTiPWBSA27fcpVtZK+yD8vfPZoioZoRwTaQuEoP/iL/doFBwa77hEdeCAP84T6kjOtqCmq2VOQb2NH/SJfoVPaqEpPBNHXPImVjD1mmF2r2D3P/Rcd7DWqjxtf4pHlet4Lk= Received: by 10.38.151.68 with SMTP id y68mr3623519rnd; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905704102205421ed64dbb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:42:42 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband In-Reply-To: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.874, required 6, AWL 1.53, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_FAKE_CLICK 0.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:40:23 -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: > Hi Everybody! > > Anyone know of a good wireless broadband to use in Florida? I mean go > from place to place even mobile like a cell phone with a PCMCIA card or > something stuck into the notebook. Is there anything? > > Of course, this *has* to work with Linux as well as Window$. > > Regards, I do "can you hear me now?" and find that the toss is between Verizon and AT&T. Verizon uses CDMA and is running X1RTT which will give you on the order of about 120kb on a good day. AT&T uses GPRS and is introducing EDGE on all of it's sites. GPRS will give you about 40-60 kb and EDGE will boost that to about 160 to 200 something. They all leapfrog on another, Verizon had the 'edge' for a while, but now with AT&T rolling out EDGE they will have greater speed. Now here is the intereting part. CDMA still retains certain "land line legacies" one of which is the fact that when you use it you have to use a 'dialer' in order to get a path, now once you have established your 'connection' the radio side if it is idle to long will hang up, as soon as you do some activity that causes it to need to send data to the network in the background the dialer 'redials' the link and brings up the path. This usually only takes 4-8 seconds so you may or may not perceive a delay when you start doing what you are doing. BUT if the network is busy and there is not a available resource you may get a 'busy' When we do CDMA testing we use two computers, one gathers RF environmental data, and at the same tiime pings a remote server and gathers round trip time data, and the second one does nothing but set there and ever 45 seconds (that is the industry standard for this test) attempt to get 'dialtone' which is just a digital confirmation that the path is there, if we get it we log the 6 different code returns calculate the time it took to get DT and then hang up. If after 45 seconds we get no DT we capture all of the error codes and hang up and start again. They appear to do this in order to conserve RF facilities, I see no other reason to do so. GPRS/EDGE on the other hand looks like a NIC card, when you turn the device on it sticks up it's hand and registers with the network, the network checks the registration (are you a paid subscriber and are you up to date?) and if all is OK registers you, there is no dialer, no delays unless you have moved into a poor coverage area then you may see delays due to retries or deep FEC for error recovery, but if there is a reasonable path there will not be any delays trying to establish a new circuit. If the site is loaded you may see delays due to high traffic loading and retries but I have yet to see that on a GPRS site, not saying that it does not happen. The disconnected mode of GPRS/EDGE seems to facilitate getting a packet through here and there on a loaded network much better than the 'dialer' concept of checking if the full resource is available. You need to compare them in terms of where you are going to be traveling, if you do international then GPRS/EDGE is what you need as that is what is used in much of the rest of the world. Verizon has very good coverage in much of the country and if you keep the machine busy you will not notice the 'hangups' much. Will be interesting to see what happens after Cingular and ATT WS merge, both of them are rolling out EDGE and will have a even larger combined network. Both Verizon and AT&T provide you with a "all you can push down the pipe" price of right around $75/mo. You need to check out the different plans and see which one works. We use the Sierra Wireless cards exclusivly at work, and indeed I think they are the only product has Linux support though it is third party and they do not support it directly. Here is a SW555 card (the card that Verizon uses) page ttp://centerclick.org/aircard555/ Here is a page for the 7x0 series cards (GPRS) http://www.sierrawireless.com/SupportDownload/ac7x0_linux.asp A google will turn up a lot of data. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 09:46:34 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MDkYEQ015045 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:46:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9MDkYjn015044 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:46:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MDkXEQ015040 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:46:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MDkXbL016791 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:46:33 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MDkM26002014 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:46:22 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9MDkKv6010302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:46:20 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i9MDk2TU010166; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:46:02 GMT Message-Id: <200410221346.i9MDk2TU010166@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:46:02 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Sarasota Social LUG Meeting Tuesday Night 10/26 6:30PM Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:44:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1098452762-5023543.45414054 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.507, required 6, AWL 1.69, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Okay, we've got a very important linux topic to cover this next Tuesday: beer. Lots of German beer. In the spirit of Oktoberbest (and not fascism), our next meeting will be held at the Old Munich in Bradenton, a bar/restaurant run by real live Germans from Maine. This restaurant is also famous for having a Ford drive through its wall one afternoon (no one was hurt), and you can write messages on the wall where it happened. I'll be there at 6:30, but people often arrive later. I look forward to seeing you all there! Old Munich 6515 14th St. West (US 41) (corner of 66th Ave West) Bradenton , FL 34207 Cuisine: German , Bavarian , Brew Pub http://www.restaurants.com/US/DetailPage.asp?RefNo=9417533255& -- Eric J ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 10:01:55 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ME1tEQ015166 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:01:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9ME1tCK015165 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:01:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ME1sEQ015161 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:01:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ME1sbL017441 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:01:54 -0400 Received: from ctrust.com (mail.ctrust.com [207.59.126.35]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ME1c26005562 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:01:39 -0400 Received: from Spooler by ctrust.com (Mercury/32 v4.01a) ID MO008587; 22 Oct 2004 09:59:08 -0400 Received: from spooler by ctrust.com (Mercury/32 v4.01a); 22 Oct 2004 09:58:55 -0400 From: To: slug@nks.net Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:58:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sarasota Social LUG Meeting Tuesday Night 10/26 6:30PM Message-ID: <4178DA10.31539.99B175C6@ctrust.com> In-reply-to: <200410221346.i9MDk2TU010166@rs16.luxsci.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.914, required 6, AWL 2.83, BAYES_00 -4.90, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 22 Oct 2004 at 9:44, Eric Jahn wrote: > Okay, we've got a very important linux topic to cover this next Tuesday: beer. > Lots of German beer. In the spirit of Oktoberbest (and not fascism), our > next meeting will be held at the Old Munich in Bradenton, a bar/restaurant > run by real live Germans from Maine. This restaurant is also famous for > having a Ford drive through its wall one afternoon (no one was hurt), and you > can write messages on the wall where it happened. I'll be there at 6:30, but > people often arrive later. I look forward to seeing you all there! > > Old Munich > 6515 14th St. West (US 41) (corner of 66th Ave West) > Bradenton , FL 34207 > Cuisine: German , Bavarian , Brew Pub > http://www.restaurants.com/US/DetailPage.asp?RefNo=9417533255& > > -- > Eric J > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. Are you thinking of $beer, or /dev/beer? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 10:09:06 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ME96EQ015217 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:09:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9ME96CU015216 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:09:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ME95EQ015212 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:09:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ME95bL017730 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:09:05 -0400 Received: from host99n.ipowerweb.com (host99n.ipowerweb.com [66.235.220.89]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i9ME8t26006597 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:08:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 9932 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 14:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.101?) (67.78.11.234) by host99n.ipowerweb.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 14:09:16 -0000 Message-ID: <4179147E.1020605@roberthodgen.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:09:02 -0400 From: Bob Hodgen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040926) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> In-Reply-To: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.258, required 6, AWL 4.00, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net HI: I use the Sprint PCS Merlin connection card. It works well with my installation of Knoppix. About three months ago I saw an ad in a Tiger Direct catalog for unlimited data with sprint for $89 a month. This rate is only for commercial accounts. I have a web based busness (ahem) and they let me have an account. I think the wireless card was only about $ 29 with that promotion. I brought the ad with me and it was a good thing as sprint wasn't able to offer the deal to me without it. I'm able to connect just about anywhere (sprint isn't too good away from the metropilitan areas or major highways ymmv). The speed is not as fast as broadband but much faster than dialup. To get the card to work I start "KPPP" and connect. You do have to "provision" the card on a windows machine before using it under Linux. I travel a lot and it saves me money because I don't have to pay $10 a night to connect in some hotel room. cheers, Bob Pete Theisen wrote: > Hi Everybody! > > Anyone know of a good wireless broadband to use in Florida? I mean go > from place to place even mobile like a cell phone with a PCMCIA card > or something stuck into the notebook. Is there anything? > > Of course, this *has* to work with Linux as well as Window$. > > Regards, > > Pete > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 10:16:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MEGlEQ015292 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:16:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9MEGl9g015291 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:16:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MEGkEQ015287 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:16:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MEGkbL018063 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:16:46 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MEGQ26007955 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:16:26 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9MEGLmR023894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:16:22 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i9MEE0SJ022340; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:14:00 GMT Message-Id: <200410221414.i9MEE0SJ022340@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:14:00 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sarasota Social LUG Meeting Tuesday Night 10/26 6:30PM Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:13:10 -0400 References: <4178DA10.31539.99B175C6@ctrust.com> In-Reply-To: <4178DA10.31539.99B175C6@ctrust.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1098454440-4346655.85316009 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.351, required 6, AWL 0.84, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 22 October 2004 09:58 am, craig@ctrust.com wrote: > Are you thinking of $beer, or /dev/beer? #!/usr/bin/homespring try { for beer in keg cat /proc/beer > /dev/tummy } except { "A Ford Explorer has crashed through wall and destroyed our SSLUG meeting!" } -- Eric J ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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(Lottery Co-ordinator) --e72fa7cc-793d-414c-81f0-46bedb1244c7-- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 11:16:33 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MFGXEQ015719 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:16:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9MFGXBU015718 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:16:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MFGWEQ015714 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:16:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MFGVbL020578 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:16:32 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MFG9Ht021840 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:16:10 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id v18so77969rnb for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:16:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=S+e9kSi4wpPrnJvA+MsFCH+p8wUYy8ShxYozz/T36o2TUtGD0zOwvS0Was9qnWb+ffi70QXdctqOBWouk1l492Mc4z1o1LPyvCrG6q4dDKZsuHd2rdHmYpQSLVWiUpLCDEnCKiMzCw4br9honAbO4Rr5zDpYP2JvzdW3yarwShk= Received: by 10.38.98.30 with SMTP id v30mr706624rnb; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.206.10 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <701a1b3304102208167198f19d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:16:09 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tevfik_Y=FCcek?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband In-Reply-To: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:40:23 -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: > Hi Everybody! > > Anyone know of a good wireless broadband to use in Florida? I mean go > from place to place even mobile like a cell phone with a PCMCIA card or > something stuck into the notebook. Is there anything? There are two options for this as far as the technology is concened. Maybe three. 1- Evolution of current cellular systems: This is what we have so far around the country and in Europe. It provides mobility but the data rates should be limited. 2- IEEE 802.20 based products: This will take a *long time* to appear in the market. 3- IEEE 802.16d/e products, or so called wimax (http://www.wimaxforum.org). The duality between .11 and WiFi is the same as the duality between .16 and Wimax. Fixed wireless access products (.16a/d) are expected to be in the marked in the first or second quarter of 2005. Mobile wireless will take a longer because the standard is still in development. I know Nextel provides a similar service to mobile wman (.16e) in Raleigh, NC. But their product is propriatery, so I dont think it will spread as fast as 16d or 16e expected. A litte note: IEEE 802.11a/b/g: wireless lan, or wifi IEEE 802.16a/d/e: wireless man, or wimax. .16e is the mobile one which is backward compatible with .16d. Tevfik > Of course, this *has* to work with Linux as well as Window$. > > Regards, > > Pete > -- "If you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now, quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers..." - Homer Simpson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 11:59:40 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MFxeEQ016026 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:59:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9MFxeqQ016025 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:59:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MFxdEQ016021 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:59:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MFxdbL022320 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:59:39 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MFxK26024547 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:59:20 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so203164rnk for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:59:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ok0rwUY0qEYkKypUFMVqnzlZtwIHnwnOwh/CoRF4hTo7bbtUSCceWI0dCMJFniFBHJWoPkT4GPyHSY46vvGT+G+MPtyot3zlxfERTf4jn9ub7HQUqhGaygGkx+8mokT/jO8RRMFbJsPrjzuGqtn8CITgRrP6R9na/WCQcDVgw5A= Received: by 10.38.78.61 with SMTP id a61mr494400rnb; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.19 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e3104102208595caec659@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:59:19 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which IM In-Reply-To: <41789ED7.8090403@apotheon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <620c90570410211826b070d34@mail.gmail.com> <8b361d39041021183188c2b57@mail.gmail.com> <620c905704102119156cb0b8bd@mail.gmail.com> <41788021.7070803@apotheon.com> <620c90570410212100209a4d05@mail.gmail.com> <41789ED7.8090403@apotheon.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.634, required 6, AWL 2.27, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You need gaim 1.0 or higher for most of the proprietary protocols (AIM, Yahoo for sure) to work correctly. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 12:05:31 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MG5VEQ016084 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:05:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9MG5VnZ016083 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:05:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MG5UEQ016079 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:05:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MG5PbR022667 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:05:30 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MG5426026344 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:05:04 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so203896rnk for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:05:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=BzXVAjmu911n6RwFwC7G/mhq2i/fFAY77my3eHxtO6AGW6MRy+B9DXouT6jVDSpIE38PtInyMx7ugbfp+9/scYy+2hXdJN+uug5H1h2Vq0kKwmKkjpR/9KE62UH8tb0gbxAH8jmPe0rN/NJfMiAWcs1RjKkKPZMM99bY0zHX+c4= Received: by 10.38.14.71 with SMTP id 71mr61821rnn; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.19 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e31041022090552a58750@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:05:03 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: [SA12929] Mandrake update for gaim] In-Reply-To: <4178E13F.3040007@ij.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4178E13F.3040007@ij.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.668, required 6, AWL 2.23, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net As the original advisory mentions, these were fixed in Gaim 0.82 several months ago. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 12:15:23 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MGFNEQ016169 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:15:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9MGFN0N016168 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:15:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MGFNEQ016164 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:15:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MGFMbN023102 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:15:22 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MGEm26027434 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:14:48 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so190753rnk for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:14:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=FklcaeA+bANbndShNmjMnjMpqaHHSJ6Ryp5iFI4CgIDFX/JRJs26kmSBpU/xwvXmU4MtTz7V1gbgKv9ULHsotwrllOuejt0a8NGAVEopTBnoWaYY6xHAr7aEzcPLQoPXm6py7FEETcRcUFqqpr8pgLghb8+xbGEkoyTEYvsrCOU= Received: by 10.38.13.67 with SMTP id 67mr1642812rnm; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c9057041022091460f4682b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:14:45 -0400 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which IM In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e3104102208595caec659@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <620c90570410211826b070d34@mail.gmail.com> <8b361d39041021183188c2b57@mail.gmail.com> <620c905704102119156cb0b8bd@mail.gmail.com> <41788021.7070803@apotheon.com> <620c90570410212100209a4d05@mail.gmail.com> <41789ED7.8090403@apotheon.com> <1a3a3e3104102208595caec659@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.246, required 6, AWL 1.65, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:59:19 -0400, Levi Bard wrote: > You need gaim 1.0 or higher for most of the proprietary protocols > (AIM, Yahoo for sure) to work correctly. I guess I am going to have to compile it as I do not see a binary install for SuSE that is at that level. the level that they have for SuSE is .07 something. The compiling thing is something that I have not had much luck at pulling off, so I guess it is time to do so. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 12:51:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MGpaEQ016436 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:51:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9MGpa53016435 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:51:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MGpaEQ016431 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:51:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MGpZbT024830 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:51:35 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MGpO26000510 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:51:25 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9MGpNjY017459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:51:23 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i9MGm2KB016295; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:48:02 GMT Message-Id: <200410221648.i9MGm2KB016295@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:48:01 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which IM Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:46:44 -0400 References: <1a3a3e3104102208595caec659@mail.gmail.com> <620c9057041022091460f4682b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c9057041022091460f4682b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1098463681-4519683.40249145 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.773, required 6, AWL 0.42, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 22 October 2004 12:14 pm, Chuck Hast wrote: > The compiling thing is something that I have not had much luck > at pulling off, so I guess it is time to do so. here's where you can find the suse 9.1 packages for gaim 1.0: http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/rpm-navigation.php?cat=%2FNetwork%2Fgaim/ here's a link to discussion on how to install using this method: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=2&threadid=238830 (scroll down toward the end, it gets more helpful at the last couple posts.) hope this works for you! -- Eric J ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 13:59:52 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MHxqEQ016885 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:59:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9MHxqKD016884 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:59:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MHxqEQ016880 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:59:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MHxpbN027741 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:59:51 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MHxfHt026932 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:59:41 -0400 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i9MHxZZn025798 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <069701c4b860$e3254be0$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <4178DA10.31539.99B175C6@ctrust.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sarasota Social LUG Meeting Tuesday Night 10/26 6:30PM Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:59:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > Okay, we've got a very important linux topic to cover this next Tuesday: beer. > > Lots of German beer. In the spirit of Oktoberbest ( > > Are you thinking of $beer, or /dev/beer? If the latter, is it delivered with Real Time Streaming Protocol?? - Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 15:15:38 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MJFcEQ017398 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:15:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9MJFcfT017397 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:15:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MJFbEQ017393 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:15:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MJFXbP031126 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:15:34 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MJFD26025771 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:15:13 -0400 Received: from billspc (87-152.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.152.87]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9MJFBNu020377 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410221915.i9MJFBNu020377@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bill Glidden" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Sarasota Social LUG Meeting Tuesday Night 10/26 6:30PM Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:15:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcS4Yy7RyEwl2X2hQL+wLFIhnI8vOQACCf4A In-Reply-To: <069701c4b860$e3254be0$0f49490a@fifteen> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Foxworth > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 2:00 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sarasota Social LUG Meeting Tuesday Night 10/26 6:30PM > > > > > Okay, we've got a very important linux topic to cover this next > Tuesday: beer. > > > Lots of German beer. In the spirit of Oktoberbest ( > > > > > Are you thinking of $beer, or /dev/beer? > > > If the latter, is it delivered with Real Time Streaming Protocol?? > > - Bob Be careful ... excessive, unbuffered input from /dev/beer may result in a core dump. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 16:56:49 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MKunEQ018119 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:56:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9MKunm5018118 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:56:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MKumEQ018114 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:56:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MKumbL003045 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:56:48 -0400 Received: from web14704.mail.yahoo.com (web14704.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.121]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i9MKuO26009748 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:56:27 -0400 Message-ID: <20041022205616.36035.qmail@web14704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.8.55.20] by web14704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:56:16 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:56:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Dean Shepherd Subject: Re: [SLUG] Router To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.8, required 6, AWL 1.36, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I loaded Win 2k, just to check, definitely a bad mobo. It was free, so, what do you expect for nothing! Thanks for the help. --- Eben King wrote: > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004, Joe Brandt wrote: > > > On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 19:38, Dean Shepherd wrote: > > > However, the light on the router still doesn't > light up. > > > > A sign of a hardware problem, check your cabling. > > Specifically, power. > > -- > -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm > home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > A. A Top Poster > B. Who's there? > A. Knock-knock -- from bobward@xxx.com > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions > expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not > necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its > employees. > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 17:33:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MLXjEQ018396 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:33:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9MLXjgc018395 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:33:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MLXiEQ018391 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:33:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MLXTbN004605 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:33:44 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com ([66.252.134.3]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MLWU26016937 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:32:49 -0400 Received: from pcp03955260pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.56.208] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CL71O-0005U0-GK for slug@nks.net; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:32:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sarasota Social LUG Meeting Tuesday Night 10/26 6:30PM From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200410221414.i9MEE0SJ022340@rs16.luxsci.com> References: <4178DA10.31539.99B175C6@ctrust.com> <200410221414.i9MEE0SJ022340@rs16.luxsci.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-N875Y+4hjSLTSgOoPVyB" Organization: I.T. Are Belonging To Us Message-Id: <1098480729.27386.4.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:32:10 -0400 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.895, required 6, AWL 1.31, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-N875Y+4hjSLTSgOoPVyB Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 10:13, Eric Jahn wrote: > On Friday 22 October 2004 09:58 am, craig@ctrust.com wrote: > > Are you thinking of $beer, or /dev/beer? > #!/usr/bin/homespring > try { > for beer in keg > cat /proc/beer > /dev/tummy > } =20 > except { > "A Ford Explorer has crashed through wall and destroyed our SSLUG meeting= !"=20 > } Hey now! Thats just a convenient parking spot at /pub. I am not trying to destroy the meeting. The Logan --=20 17:30:01 up 25 days, 18:44, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.31 I've seen these high-tech Japanese toilets before on TV. -- Matt Moen, SLUG= List ICQ: 72101412 AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Jabber: logantheclever Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-N875Y+4hjSLTSgOoPVyB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBeXxZ3OecGqSbkyMRAhhbAJ0aQU8YCxSgHHyjo2Q0WT1ORsy6wgCgu8gF 2E6iArIe5gQsBzWZyT9vQt0= =ybZM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-N875Y+4hjSLTSgOoPVyB-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 22 19:07:02 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MN72EQ019079 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:07:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9MN72Ew019078 for slug-track29; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:07:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9MN71EQ019070 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:07:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MN6wbN008671 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:07:00 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9MN6Y26001738 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:06:38 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9MN6Xjo025144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:06:34 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i9MN62El025046; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:06:02 GMT Message-Id: <200410222306.i9MN62El025046@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:06:02 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sarasota Social LUG Meeting Tuesday Night 10/26 6:30PM Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:08:43 -0400 References: <4178DA10.31539.99B175C6@ctrust.com> <200410221414.i9MEE0SJ022340@rs16.luxsci.com> <1098480729.27386.4.camel@sirus> In-Reply-To: <1098480729.27386.4.camel@sirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1098486362-4438602.34152499 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.914, required 6, AWL 0.28, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 22 October 2004 05:32 pm, Logan Tygart wrote: > Hey now! Thats just a convenient parking spot at /pub. I > am not trying to destroy the meeting. > > The Logan I guess that's acceptable. Just call my cell 30 seconds before you arrive so we can jump for cover. -- Eric J ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 23 17:19:25 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9NLJPEQ028219 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:19:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9NLJP44028218 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:19:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9NLJLES028208 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:19:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9NF4ubL014912 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:04:57 -0400 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9NF4hHt032088 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:04:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C2211A5E for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15510-01-7 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.227.193.167] (p199-227-193-167.max.acun.net [199.227.193.167]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038031172B for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4179F843.8050002@acun.com> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:20:51 -0400 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <701a1b3304102208167198f19d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <701a1b3304102208167198f19d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.504, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.65, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tevfik Yücek wrote: > > > There are two options for this as far as the technology is concened. > Maybe three. > Hi Tevfik! Thanks to you, and also Bob and Chuck! Looks like I will have to shop around for the best deal. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 23 17:19:18 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9NLJIEQ028206 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:19:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9NLJIi4028205 for slug-track29; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:19:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9NLJFEQ028201 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:19:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9NEcfbP014136 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:38:56 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9NEZC26019214 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:35:12 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.27] (222-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.222]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559DD1407814 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 07:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <417A6C2F.50607@myraandpete.net> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:35:27 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Dispelling the myth... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.547, required 6, AWL 1.65, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://www.theregister.co.uk/security/security_report_windows_vs_linux/ /Myth: Windows only gets attacked most because it's such a big target, and if Linux use (or indeed OS X use) grew then so would the number of attacks. Fact: When it comes to web servers, the biggest target is Apache, the Internet's server of choice. Attacks on Apache are nevertheless far fewer in number, and cause less damage. And in some case Apache-related attacks have the most serious effect on Windows machines. Attacks are of course aimed at Windows because of the numbers of users, but its design makes it a much easier target, and much easier for an attack to wreak havoc. Windows' widespread (and often unnecessary) use of features such as RPC meanwhile adds vulnerabilities that really need not be there. Linux's design is not vulnerable in the same ways, and no matter how successful it eventually becomes it simply cannot experience attacks to similar levels, inflicting similar levels of damage, to Windows./ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 24 10:17:24 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9OEHOEQ002867 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:17:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9OEHOeM002866 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:17:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9OEHNEQ002862 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:17:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9OEHNbN008554 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:17:23 -0400 Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9OEHEHt015035 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:17:14 -0400 Received: from dialup-4.247.221.190.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.221.190] helo=earthlink.net) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CLjBJ-00033F-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:17:13 -0700 Message-ID: <417BBC75.C17116F6@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:30:13 -0400 From: SOTL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Thanks Paul References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <701a1b3304102208167198f19d@mail.gmail.com> <4179F843.8050002@acun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.207, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks Paul for the assistance at the Dunedian SLUG meeting. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 24 12:38:00 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9OGc0EQ003787 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:38:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9OGc06I003786 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:38:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9OGbxEQ003782 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:37:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9OGbrbP013998 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:37:54 -0400 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9OGbX26030804 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:37:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B64115D0 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05837-01-5 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.227.193.179] (p199-227-193-179.max.acun.net [199.227.193.179]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197D611A4D for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <417B7E6E.4020206@acun.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 06:05:34 -0400 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <701a1b3304102208167198f19d@mail.gmail.com> <4179F843.8050002@acun.com> In-Reply-To: <4179F843.8050002@acun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.868, required 6, AWL 1.74, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.65, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Pete Theisen wrote: > Tevfik Yücek wrote: > > > >> >> There are two options for this as far as the technology is concened. >> Maybe three. >> Hi Tevfik! > > > Thanks to you, and also Bob and Chuck! Looks like I will have to shop > around for > the best deal. > Hi Everybody! Here's a new wrinkle. Turns out that the one site has Wi-Fi with no password . . . Does Wi-Fi work with Linux? Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 24 13:23:58 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9OHNwEQ004100 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:23:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9OHNwpW004099 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:23:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9OHNvEQ004095 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:23:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9OHNvbL015768 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:23:57 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9OHNf26005131 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:23:41 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so346315rnk for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:23:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=jV8bLA/c/jaShIE0ZUhBxRia+gTAM6Ij91df6s5XSviTpFyrzPgvhL9x6dcaGrHLWbKRPfIOUaXLR5t2wkmxH8RrpcjkSU8uNe8hjRcHrv5nLdEV35yzA2Ean+/Ru8Vtx3/3Anop8HmwWMmVEc1gJyujqjnjMZ9jzYh8SzcOEYE= Received: by 10.38.71.31 with SMTP id t31mr470275rna; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c9057041024102328e72f62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:23:41 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband In-Reply-To: <417B7E6E.4020206@acun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <701a1b3304102208167198f19d@mail.gmail.com> <4179F843.8050002@acun.com> <417B7E6E.4020206@acun.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.305, required 6, AWL 1.59, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9OHNvEQ004096 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 06:05:34 -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: > Pete Theisen wrote: > > Tevfik Yücek wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> There are two options for this as far as the technology is concened. > >> Maybe three. > >> Hi Tevfik! > > > > > > Thanks to you, and also Bob and Chuck! Looks like I will have to shop > > around for > > the best deal. > > > > Hi Everybody! > > Here's a new wrinkle. Turns out that the one site has Wi-Fi with no > password . . . > > Does Wi-Fi work with Linux? This computer is linked to my network over a WiFi link. When I installed SuSE 9.1 it installed it and brought it up. What WiFi hardware are you trying to use. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 24 15:42:34 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9OJgYEQ005024 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:42:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9OJgYFZ005023 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:42:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9OJgXEQ005019 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:42:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9OJgRbL021255 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:42:33 -0400 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9OJgJHt021033 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:42:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4989115D3 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21094-01-9 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.227.193.197] (p199-227-193-197.max.acun.net [199.227.193.197]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C03B10690 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <417C05AA.9000008@acun.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:42:34 -0400 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <701a1b3304102208167198f19d@mail.gmail.com> <4179F843.8050002@acun.com> <417B7E6E.4020206@acun.com> <620c9057041024102328e72f62@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c9057041024102328e72f62@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: it installed it and brought it up. > > What WiFi hardware are you trying to use. > Hi Chuck! I don't have it yet. I was looking at PCMCIA cards 802.11b and 802.11g. I thought I'd let other folks advise me before I laid out my cash. I think the site is b but it might be a or g. I will try to find out for sure. The notebook is a Toshiba, the OS is Simply MEPIS and it is already installed. It looks for a net connection as it boots. The dark side of the Hard Drive is XP Home. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 24 16:26:41 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9OKQfEQ005318 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:26:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9OKQfbQ005317 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:26:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9OKQeEQ005313 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:26:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9OKQebN022959 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:26:40 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9OKQW26000898 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:26:32 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9OKQUNv022488 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:26:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband In-Reply-To: <417C05AA.9000008@acun.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: The dark side of the Hard Drive is XP Home. #include #include There is no "dark side" really; matter of fact, it's all dark. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Hi! 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 24 16:59:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9OKxlEQ005524 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:59:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9OKxl1a005523 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:59:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9OKxkEQ005519 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:59:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9OKxkbN024219 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:59:46 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9OKxaHt005167 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:59:36 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9OKxYNv009216 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:59:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] syslog client for XP? Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:45:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9OMjMP8006227 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:45:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9OMjLEQ006223 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:45:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9OMjKbR028365 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:45:21 -0400 Received: from queenie.aqhostdns.com (queenie.aqhostdns.com [67.130.100.130]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9OMjA26021722 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:45:10 -0400 Received: from wbar11.tampa1-4-4-131-177.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net ([4.4.131.177] helo=[192.168.1.104]) by queenie.aqhostdns.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CLr6b-0007oh-0F for slug@nks.net; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:44:53 -0400 Message-ID: <417C2FBB.6020508@roblimo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:42:03 -0400 From: "Robin \"Roblimo\" Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040819 Debian/1.7.2-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <701a1b3304102208167198f19d@mail.gmail.com> <4179F843.8050002@acun.com> <417B7E6E.4020206@acun.com> <620c9057041024102328e72f62@mail.gmail.com> <417C05AA.9000008@acun.com> In-Reply-To: <417C05AA.9000008@acun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned and found to be clean by AQHost - http://www.AQHost.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - queenie.aqhostdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=4.423, required 6, AWL 1.64, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > I don't have it yet. I was looking at PCMCIA cards 802.11b and > 802.11g. I thought I'd let other folks advise me before I laid out my > cash. I think the site is b but it might be a or g. I will try to find > out for sure. The notebook is a Toshiba, the OS is Simply MEPIS and it > is already installed. It looks for a net connection as it boots. I'm using a Toshiba Satellite laptop + SMC 802.11 PCMCIA card right now, no problem. I had to go into the MEPIS system center to set up the wireless connection -- took 10 seconds -- and since I rarely use this laptop through a wire I also unchecked the ETH0 setup at boot to speed up my boot time. The XP side.... took the driver CD for the wireless card, but I eventually got it to work. It's been a while since I booted Windows so I'm not sure it still works. Seems to me that I needed to have different drivers for each make of wireless card I used, a problem that doesn't afflict Linux. - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 24 19:15:31 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ONFVEQ006470 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:15:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9ONFVpK006469 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:15:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ONFUEQ006465 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:15:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ONFUbL029614 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:15:30 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ONF3Ht003497 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:15:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 18610 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2004 23:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.16.43.255) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2004 23:15:02 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9AE52125325; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:14:30 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20041024231430.9AE52125325@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:14:30 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (paulf) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 25 October 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) St Petersburg Public Library, Main Branch Auditorium 3745 Ninth Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33713 727-893-7724 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 24 19:38:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ONchEQ006664 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:38:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9ONchgG006663 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:38:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9ONcgEQ006659 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:38:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ONcgbL030458 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:38:42 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9ONcWHt008070 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:38:32 -0400 Received: from user-0c90j2r.cable.mindspring.com ([24.144.76.91] helo=earthlink.net) by asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CLrwW-0007d9-CI for slug@nks.net; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:38:32 -0700 Message-ID: <417C3CFB.8060600@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:38:35 -0400 From: Mark Polhamus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] Linuxcertified laptops? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 0e139422fd754d0d65826a2e99dff454239a348a220c26095c2419e98de357637dd8ed5e45eec5e0387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.76.91 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm thinking of buying a laptop from Linuxcertified: . Has anyone had dealings with this vendor or know someone who has? I've seen positive product reviews but their website doesn't impress me. They don't seem to want to be contacted by email even. No "support" section with driver updates, etc. Looks like most of their business is training, like hardware is a sideline for them. No FAQs or user forums like you find with most vendors. Their "order" page hasn't been updated for the new model, I wonder if it's really shipping? Guess I'll have to call to find out. Any other pertinent information would be appreciated. I'm looking for a fast laptop with a large (17") screen and 1MB+ of memory. Portability and battery runtime isn't as important. I'm sure I could find similar hardware for much less and install Linux myself with the usual hassles with laptop hardware like I have done before -- but my time is worth something. This one has most of the right spec.s and comes pre-configured with Fedora Core 2 apparently with a custom kernel optimized for the HT processor (SMP?). And I don't pay for Windows which I won't use! Only thing that seems to be missing is a DVD writer ... wait ... just realized that it doesn't have built-in WiFi either -- for that price :( I haven't yet configured WiFi on my current machine, I've heard it is a hassle. I'd like to have 802.11g. Only one PCI slot as far as I can tell, so if I use that for WiFi I have none left. Looks like it's on the front left, not a good location for an antenna. Also the usual downsides with buying online -- can't try the keyboard, check out how solid the case is, what it sounds like... So how about it, does anyone know Linuxcertified.com or is happy with their large screen laptop running Linux? Thanks, -- Mark Polhamus ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 24 20:16:59 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9P0GxEQ006930 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:16:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9P0Gx4W006929 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:16:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9P0GwEQ006925 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:16:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9P0GvbN031950 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:16:58 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (rrcs-67-78-17-122.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.122]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9P0GU26003503 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:16:48 -0400 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id A63CD20704E; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.252] (thor.sigtom [192.168.1.252]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A551207032 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <417C45CE.4000903@sigtom.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:16:14 -0400 From: "Tom E. Craddock, Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040927 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linuxcertified laptops? References: <417C3CFB.8060600@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <417C3CFB.8060600@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham version=3.0.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.686, required 6, AWL 1.57, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mark Polhamus wrote: > I'm thinking of buying a laptop from Linuxcertified: > . > > Has anyone had dealings with this vendor or know someone who has? > > I've seen positive product reviews but their website doesn't impress > me. They > don't seem to want to be contacted by email even. No "support" > section with > driver updates, etc. Looks like most of their business is training, like > hardware is a sideline for them. No FAQs or user forums like you find > with > most vendors. Their "order" page hasn't been updated for the new > model, I > wonder if it's really shipping? Guess I'll have to call to find out. > > Any other pertinent information would be appreciated. I'm looking for > a fast > laptop with a large (17") screen and 1MB+ of memory. Portability and > battery > runtime isn't as important. > > I'm sure I could find similar hardware for much less and install Linux > myself > with the usual hassles with laptop hardware like I have done before -- > but my > time is worth something. This one has most of the right spec.s and comes > pre-configured with Fedora Core 2 apparently with a custom kernel > optimized for the HT processor (SMP?). And I don't pay for Windows > which I won't use! > > Only thing that seems to be missing is a DVD writer ... wait ... just > realized > that it doesn't have built-in WiFi either -- for that price :( I > haven't yet > configured WiFi on my current machine, I've heard it is a hassle. I'd > like to > have 802.11g. Only one PCI slot as far as I can tell, so if I use > that for > WiFi I have none left. Looks like it's on the front left, not a good > location > for an antenna. > > Also the usual downsides with buying online -- can't try the keyboard, > check > out how solid the case is, what it sounds like... > > So how about it, does anyone know Linuxcertified.com or is happy with > their > large screen laptop running Linux? > > Thanks, > > > -- Mark Polhamus > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > Hey, I looked into getting one of their laptops as I feel the same way, wanted a good reliable laptop, 15"-17" LCD screen, DVD burner, large RAM, etc. I ended up going with an HP zt3380us from Circuit City for around ~$1700.00. I had done a bit of research, and found that it met up to all of my hardware desires, and that there wasnt too much one had to do to get all the hardware working. I am running FC2, kernel 2.6.8-1.521, and have all of the hardware working on if. I have a link below to the laptop site at HP, but heres the hardware that seemed like it wouldve been hard, but was quite easy. Within an hour of first repartitioning and install a stock FC2 I had the below working: Bluetooth w/KDE framework Intel Centrino 802.11b/g WiFI SD Reader (I installed everything needed for it, but havent had a chance to test it yet) The laptop is a 15.4" WXGA Widescreen HiDef display @1280x800...a quick edit of the xorg.conf and it was working beautifully. Outside of that, everything else on the laptop works with the stock FC2 install. Not sure if this is exactly this is what youd be interested, but thought you may find it interesting. http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?product=421940&cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&docname=c00169925 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 24 20:41:31 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9P0fVEQ007137 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:41:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9P0fVGh007136 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:41:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9P0fUEQ007132 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:41:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9P0fTbN000474 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:41:29 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9P0fE26007067 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:41:14 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so368514rnk for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:41:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=fp2MAaPD+7FMR7hzgp3nfctkm3iF1vLkgi1iwcygIvm3giXMQls3XglLpGZ7DmAPb1d/bhIA7vTITiQfIuLSwO+d4UQkWGGRqQISC+NLwuarL0ykD6y/X0w0R+q3pzQd484+EbJ6uhaS2G/3XEgmHMw9Vtt/emTwzRVsUmwNjUQ= Received: by 10.38.59.27 with SMTP id h27mr562832rna; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905704102417413ded2167@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:41:13 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband In-Reply-To: <417C05AA.9000008@acun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <701a1b3304102208167198f19d@mail.gmail.com> <4179F843.8050002@acun.com> <417B7E6E.4020206@acun.com> <620c9057041024102328e72f62@mail.gmail.com> <417C05AA.9000008@acun.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.36, required 6, AWL 1.54, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:42:34 -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: > Chuck Hast wrote: > it installed it and brought it up. > > > > What WiFi hardware are you trying to use. > > > > Hi Chuck! > > I don't have it yet. I was looking at PCMCIA cards 802.11b and 802.11g. > I thought I'd let other folks advise me before I laid out my cash. I > think the site is b but it might be a or g. I will try to find out for > sure. The notebook is a Toshiba, the OS is Simply MEPIS and it is > already installed. It looks for a net connection as it boots. > > The dark side of the Hard Drive is XP Home. I am running a Toshiba Laptop, it has the wifi built in, when SuSE boots up it loads the Orinoco drivers and off it goes. I will have to find all the docs on this machine (it belongs to my employer) but we got it about a year ago. I also have some Sinao cards that appear to work quite well with Linux, these cards are 200Mw cards so they have good range if used with a Senao access point (also 200Mw) If they are used with the run of the mill access points the card will outalk the access point by many many feet. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 24 21:02:49 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9P12nEQ007308 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:02:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9P12mtP007307 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:02:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9P12mEQ007303 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:02:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9P12gbN001297 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:02:47 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9P11iHt026694 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:01:52 -0400 Received: from adsl-69-154-34-159.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([69.154.34.159] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CLtF1-0007gV-LV for slug@nks.net; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:01:44 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: Linuxcertified laptops? -- HP is definitely Linux _desktop_ partner #1 From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <417C45CE.4000903@sigtom.com> References: <417C3CFB.8060600@earthlink.net> <417C45CE.4000903@sigtom.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1098664700.25765.137.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:01:35 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec792c6b5e5ebb2f236e68f32a314a14d97b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.34.159 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 20:16, Tom E. Craddock, Jr. wrote: > Hey, > I looked into getting one of their laptops as I feel the same way, > wanted a good reliable laptop, 15"-17" LCD screen, DVD burner, large > RAM, etc. I ended up going with an HP zt3380us from Circuit City for > around ~$1700.00. I had done a bit of research, and found that it met > up to all of my hardware desires, and that there wasnt too much one had > to do to get all the hardware working. I am running FC2, kernel > 2.6.8-1.521, and have all of the hardware working on if. HP is one of the extremely few tier-1 companies pushing Linux on the _desktop_. And their record versus IBM and others in this regard is unquestioned. > I have a link below to the laptop site at HP, HP also does a great job on telling you what will work, as well as what they officially support too. > but heres the hardware that seemed like > it wouldve been hard, but was quite easy. Within an hour of first > repartitioning and install a stock FC2 I had the below working: > Bluetooth w/KDE framework > Intel Centrino 802.11b/g WiFI Is that the Centrino platform 802.11b/g (2.4GHz) WLAN? Or is the an external Atheros 802.11a/b/g (2.4 and 5GHz) chipset? I was under the impression the Centrino platform 802.11b/g "software" (aka Host-based MAC) MAC didn't work with Linux, and HP required you to buy their add-on Atheros 802.11a/b/g chipset WLAN for compatibility with Linux. [ Side note: The Atheros is also a software/host-based MAC, but like nVidia, they make a platform-unified (Windows, Linux, Mac, etc...) "object code" and then link in a loader for just the kernel. Also note there are some real issues with GPL software/host-based MACs and FCC compliance, so the binary "object code" is also for regulatory reasons. ] [ Also: Does anyone know if the Pentium "M" Centrino is the Pentium 4 or Pentium 3 core? I assume it's the former, although it could be a redesign of the P3 core. I know early Centrinos were P3 cores, but I know the PPro-P3 core design wouldn't scale past 1GHz until Intel made some serious, localized async mods, and then they only made it to 1.4-1.5GHz. It would tell me how much battery life they would get. ] > SD Reader (I installed everything needed for it, but havent had a chance > to test it yet) > The laptop is a 15.4" WXGA Widescreen HiDef display @1280x800...a quick > edit of the xorg.conf and it was working beautifully. The suspend operation is also fully supported AFAIK. Now if they only sold one with a nVidia GPU, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Although the ATI Standardware drivers are now getting better I hear. > Outside of that, everything else on the laptop works with the stock FC2 > install. Not sure if this is exactly this is what youd be interested, > but thought you may find it interesting. > http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?product=421940&cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&docname=c00169925 -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 24 21:33:06 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9P1X6EQ007526 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:33:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9P1X6gj007525 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:33:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9P1X5EQ007521 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:33:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9P1X5bL002526 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:33:05 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (rrcs-67-78-17-122.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.122]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9P1WVHt000672 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:32:46 -0400 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 100) id 6756920704E; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.252] (thor.sigtom [192.168.1.252]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF986207032 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <417C57A3.9000009@sigtom.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:32:19 -0400 From: "Tom E. Craddock, Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040927 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Linuxcertified laptops? -- HP is definitely Linux _desktop_ partner #1 References: <417C3CFB.8060600@earthlink.net> <417C45CE.4000903@sigtom.com> <1098664700.25765.137.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> In-Reply-To: <1098664700.25765.137.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham version=3.0.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bryan J. Smith wrote: >On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 20:16, Tom E. Craddock, Jr. wrote: > > >>Hey, >>I looked into getting one of their laptops as I feel the same way, >>wanted a good reliable laptop, 15"-17" LCD screen, DVD burner, large >>RAM, etc. I ended up going with an HP zt3380us from Circuit City for >>around ~$1700.00. I had done a bit of research, and found that it met >>up to all of my hardware desires, and that there wasnt too much one had >>to do to get all the hardware working. I am running FC2, kernel >>2.6.8-1.521, and have all of the hardware working on if. >> >> > >HP is one of the extremely few tier-1 companies pushing Linux on the >_desktop_. >And their record versus IBM and others in this regard is unquestioned. > > > >>I have a link below to the laptop site at HP, >> >> > >HP also does a great job on telling you what will work, as well as what >they officially support too. > > > >>but heres the hardware that seemed like >>it wouldve been hard, but was quite easy. Within an hour of first >>repartitioning and install a stock FC2 I had the below working: >>Bluetooth w/KDE framework >>Intel Centrino 802.11b/g WiFI >> >> > >Is that the Centrino platform 802.11b/g (2.4GHz) WLAN? >Or is the an external Atheros 802.11a/b/g (2.4 and 5GHz) chipset? > >I was under the impression the Centrino platform 802.11b/g "software" >(aka Host-based MAC) MAC didn't work with Linux, and HP required you to >buy their add-on Atheros 802.11a/b/g chipset WLAN for compatibility with >Linux. > >[ Side note: The Atheros is also a software/host-based MAC, but like >nVidia, they make a platform-unified (Windows, Linux, Mac, etc...) >"object code" and then link in a loader for just the kernel. Also note >there are some real issues with GPL software/host-based MACs and FCC >compliance, so the binary "object code" is also for regulatory reasons. >] > >[ Also: Does anyone know if the Pentium "M" Centrino is the Pentium 4 >or Pentium 3 core? I assume it's the former, although it could be a >redesign of the P3 core. I know early Centrinos were P3 cores, but I >know the PPro-P3 core design wouldn't scale past 1GHz until Intel made >some serious, localized async mods, and then they only made it to >1.4-1.5GHz. It would tell me how much battery life they would get. ] > > > >>SD Reader (I installed everything needed for it, but havent had a chance >>to test it yet) >>The laptop is a 15.4" WXGA Widescreen HiDef display @1280x800...a quick >>edit of the xorg.conf and it was working beautifully. >> >> > >The suspend operation is also fully supported AFAIK. >Now if they only sold one with a nVidia GPU, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. >Although the ATI Standardware drivers are now getting better I hear. > > > >>Outside of that, everything else on the laptop works with the stock FC2 >>install. Not sure if this is exactly this is what youd be interested, >>but thought you may find it interesting. >>http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?product=421940&cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&docname=c00169925 >> >> > > > > Hi, I am using the internal 802.11 b/g Centrino in the laptop....the drivers I had to install first were the ipw2200, then a reboot and Kudzu picked up the new hardware, told it I wanted it to take a DHCP IP from my AP, and it connected. ipw2200 site: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ RPMs for FC2 from ATrpms: http://atrpms.net/name/ipw2200/ Tom Craddock Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 24 22:47:29 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9P2lTEQ008031 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:47:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9P2lT7d008030 for slug-track29; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:47:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9P2lSEQ008026 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:47:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9P2lSbL005363 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:47:28 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9P2lL26026506 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:47:21 -0400 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (6-112.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.112.6]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9P2lJlM001355; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <417C693F.3010107@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 02:47:27 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] gnome Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.255, required 6, AWL 1.00, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi all: After using enlightenment for years, when I installed Slackware Ver. 10 I thought I would try gnome for a while to see if I like it. So far OK. Can anyone tell me how to add newly compiled programs to the gnome menus? It's a snap in enlightenment, but I can't find it in gnome. -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: http://www.qsl.net/ka4inm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 02:18:56 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9P6IuEQ009474 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 02:18:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9P6IuNf009473 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 02:18:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9P6ItEQ009469 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 02:18:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9P6ItbL014994 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 02:18:55 -0400 Received: from invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net (invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.254]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9P6IiHt003727 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 02:18:45 -0400 Received: from user-0c90j2r.cable.mindspring.com ([24.144.76.91] helo=earthlink.net) by invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CLyBo-0000Iq-B4 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:18:44 -0700 Message-ID: <417C9AC4.4070805@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 02:18:44 -0400 From: Mark Polhamus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linuxcertified laptops? References: <417C3CFB.8060600@earthlink.net> <417C45CE.4000903@sigtom.com> In-Reply-To: <417C45CE.4000903@sigtom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 0e139422fd754d0d65826a2e99dff454239a348a220c26096007243212979b46a7012d3e1ac352ee350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.76.91 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tom E. Craddock, Jr. wrote: > Mark Polhamus wrote: > >> I'm thinking of buying a laptop from Linuxcertified: >> . > ... > Hey, > > I looked into getting one of their laptops as I feel the same way, > wanted a good reliable laptop, 15"-17" LCD screen, DVD burner, large > RAM, etc. I ended up going with an HP zt3380us from Circuit City for Thanks for the info. I just went to HPshopping.com and configured an ZD7000 to match the LC2530 as close as I could. Came up with a price of $1974 after rebate, vs. $2899 for the LC2530!* I guess I can spend some time for $925! I remember reading something that put me off of HP laptops, can't remember what it was... I've also been looking at the Toshiba 17" laptops. * Once I add in options I want (DVD writer, WiFi, ...) I'm back up to around $2500. Similarly configured Toshiba P30 is in the same ballpark. -- Mark Polhamus ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 09:14:16 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PDEGEQ012561 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:14:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PDEGZe012560 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:14:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PDEFEQ012556 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:14:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PDEFbL000334 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:14:15 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PDDv26031582 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:13:57 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (653271hfc253.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.71.253]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9PDDtNu010494 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linuxcertified laptops? From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <417C3CFB.8060600@earthlink.net> References: <417C3CFB.8060600@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1098710034.2607.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:13:55 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.881, required 6, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 19:38, Mark Polhamus wrote: > I'm thinking of buying a laptop from Linuxcertified: > . > > Has anyone had dealings with this vendor or know someone who has? > That notebook you reference looked a whole lot like a Sager. I think they are the same machine. I have a Sager and it rocks! http://www.sagernotebooks.com Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 10:26:02 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PEQ1EQ013048 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:26:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PEQ1e1013047 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:26:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PEQ0EQ013039 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:26:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PEQ0bN003397 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:26:00 -0400 Received: from mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.228]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PEPW26010400 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:25:33 -0400 Received: from [24.144.76.91] (helo=earthlink.net) by mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CM5mu-0003Sa-Md for slug@nks.net; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:25:32 -0700 Message-ID: <417D0CDE.4030607@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:25:34 -0400 From: Mark Polhamus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linuxcertified laptops? References: <417C3CFB.8060600@earthlink.net> <1098710034.2607.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1098710034.2607.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 0e139422fd754d0d65826a2e99dff454239a348a220c2609ef8fbebcec34105eec9268bc53b50f25548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.76.91 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Russ Wright wrote: > On Sun, 2004-10-24 at 19:38, Mark Polhamus wrote: > >>I'm thinking of buying a laptop from Linuxcertified: >>. >> >>Has anyone had dealings with this vendor or know someone who has? >> > > > > That notebook you reference looked a whole lot like a Sager. I think > they are the same machine. I have a Sager and it rocks! > > http://www.sagernotebooks.com > > > Regards > Russ Yup, looks like it's a Sager NP8790, or at least the case and some of the spec.s are the same. Great information, thanks! -- Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 12:53:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PGrhEQ014027 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:53:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PGrhks014026 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:53:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PGrgEQ014022 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:53:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PGrfbL009880 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:53:42 -0400 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PGrE26002374 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:53:17 -0400 Received: from GOKU ([192.168.10.160]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA25581 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:44:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c4bab2$071afa10$a00aa8c0@GOKU> From: "Aaron Steimle" To: Subject: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:45:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I will do a demo of a basic PHP/MYSQL application that I have working on. It is a project I am in the process of completing for work. I will go over basic PHP/MYSQL concepts and whatever anyone wants to know about it, which will be restricted to question that I know answers to. Since I don't know much, it should go quick. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 13:24:12 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PHOCEQ014230 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:24:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PHOCMX014229 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:24:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PHOBEQ014225 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:24:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PHOBbL011251 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:24:11 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PHO2Ht029153 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:24:02 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id v18so208276rnb for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:23:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=YFfKJLh94JuDqZ83ICs25svrMQnqOcXpnOj2MCxByCTe7Yk5se37Aeb6/rd3HSCADgAfZ7t1buLwV9XtNCuXqaHBxneMQ+KwJzhlZ92nckryqC/edgFZF9b4hQ9bfEK6aqWYJbcIH+F+8waZdtSn4kK8v/KpJor1msDQOXE8IPw= Received: by 10.38.8.2 with SMTP id 2mr1703525rnh; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.206.10 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <701a1b3304102510237ae83a4c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:23:58 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tevfik_Y=FCcek?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] gnome In-Reply-To: <417C693F.3010107@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <417C693F.3010107@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 02:47:27 +0000, Ronald KA4INM Youvan wrote: > Hi all: > > After using enlightenment for years, when I installed Slackware Ver. 10 > I thought I would try gnome for a while to see if I like it. So far OK. I love gnome infact. However, there was rumors that next version of Slackware will not include gnome. Pretty bad. > Can anyone tell me how to add newly compiled programs to the gnome menus? > It's a snap in enlightenment, but I can't find it in gnome. If it is a gnome application, it will appear when you restart gnome. If not, click on the foot (the gnome thing for menu), click on the group you want (say Internet for example), the point you mouse to the applications there and right click. Then go to "Entire menu" and "add new item to this menu". I hope it is clear. I am using 2.6 and I am assuming you use the same version since you use Slackware 10 as well. -- "If you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now, quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers..." - Homer Simpson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 14:31:58 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PIVvEQ014708 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:31:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PIVvdW014707 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:31:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PIVvEQ014703 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:31:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.ssn.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [66.152.21.105]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PIVubL014488 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:31:56 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by nks-ma-07.ssn.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PIVLdD027714 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:31:21 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id v30so110014rnb for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:30:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=NB9+yjCkmwAGhkBXOiTN7a5+YoYsv+woQTGiltilWxZqHNGgAT3PbIh0HD9rDeRI3khANtVag8CaXfQ89+Aqh0e/sHlqoynk1x6lZ3WjNqvlLtzcUyx8Kz6zqMUXXv2jQQfmFIoj5Zi+WCnvom0BzvST0fGG1qWlrij7vf/scRM= Received: by 10.38.8.50 with SMTP id 50mr17031rnh; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.21 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f12986041025113077c3d794@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:30:11 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband In-Reply-To: <620c905704102417413ded2167@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <701a1b3304102208167198f19d@mail.gmail.com> <4179F843.8050002@acun.com> <417B7E6E.4020206@acun.com> <620c9057041024102328e72f62@mail.gmail.com> <417C05AA.9000008@acun.com> <620c905704102417413ded2167@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net T-mobile 19.99 unlimited data GPRS with EDGE Rollout as we speak. Uses Serria Wireless Aircards. Works just great for me when I have to have net access out when I dont have 802.11 signal around. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 15:02:53 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PJ2rEQ014914 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:02:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PJ2rAH014913 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:02:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PJ2qEQ014909 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:02:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PJ2qbL015919 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:02:52 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PJ2f26027035 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:02:41 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9PJ2bjZ017623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:02:37 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i9PIw1vo015616; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:58:01 GMT Message-Id: <200410251858.i9PIw1vo015616@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:58:01 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:57:26 -0400 References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <620c905704102417413ded2167@mail.gmail.com> <31f12986041025113077c3d794@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <31f12986041025113077c3d794@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1098730681-5789489.49866892 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.984, required 6, AWL 0.21, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 25 October 2004 02:30 pm, you wrote: > T-mobile > 19.99 unlimited data > > GPRS with EDGE Rollout as we speak. > > Uses Serria Wireless Aircards. What's the module for Sierra Aircards? Does T-Mobile have a charge for the card also? -Eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 15:14:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PJEFEQ014999 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:14:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PJEEdN014998 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:14:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PJEEEQ014994 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:14:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PJEAbL016423 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:14:14 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PJDlHt025895 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:13:48 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so488472rnk for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:13:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=RDkyAWls0/hoVu/5OyeRF0LDkcBX1sEqy7iUj8AXghq1hbQ6ZEnnZmjIOb9U99pBhxNc1+xUHLN1Elck8PFn1RskH4JiJR0xVf0dk3qWswwc4U4sBEkhh9V5E1A7RbWbR3t5Nj5Ot4eE+1JxwxgXvNe7BmhP6YphgqSh4o/Bddo= Received: by 10.38.59.27 with SMTP id h27mr870636rna; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570410251213531646a2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:13:37 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband In-Reply-To: <31f12986041025113077c3d794@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <701a1b3304102208167198f19d@mail.gmail.com> <4179F843.8050002@acun.com> <417B7E6E.4020206@acun.com> <620c9057041024102328e72f62@mail.gmail.com> <417C05AA.9000008@acun.com> <620c905704102417413ded2167@mail.gmail.com> <31f12986041025113077c3d794@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:30:11 -0400, Robert Snyder wrote: > T-mobile > 19.99 unlimited data > > GPRS with EDGE Rollout as we speak. > > Uses Serria Wireless Aircards. Works just great for me when I have to > have net access out when I dont have 802.11 signal around. Ohh, I will have to go check that one out. Ahh yes now I know why I did not use it I have a buddy that has T-mobile, and their network is PCS only so if you go into a network that has 800MHz network only you are out of luck. I think that their phones are PCS only also. I use AT&T WS, their network is on both the PCS side and the 800MHz side so you do have a lot better coverage, but at the same time the SW Aircard should be a triband card (7x0 series) and the 775 which does EDGE also is a quad band card, all of them will allow you to to roam world wide, if you keep a nice collection of SIM cards then you can go about anywhere you want. I am going to go see AT&T and see if I can get a better rate if T-Mobile is down to that low! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 15:18:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PJIaEQ015030 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:18:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PJIaGD015029 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:18:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PJIaEQ015025 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:18:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.ssn.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [66.152.21.65]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PJIZbL016620 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:18:35 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by nks-ma-05.ssn.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PJHqXn031355 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:17:53 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 77so478127rnk for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:15:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=NReErDF7FD+BG5UPifZ3CQAPbsiXeT7rB3EU/9c5sRFPfyZiaVrzyhSw+koNBdYCb4cHUklVn8fk41+OqfesHe/nhgesos09Gl1RF7d2p8x7iMd8ZomqqNK1re3tu1O1TMiTewsE7hNaeDGyP+6FajfOd2Gc5tgwMPegjpHN/U4= Received: by 10.39.2.27 with SMTP id e27mr1227546rni; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.19 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e3104102512087aca077d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:08:23 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] gnome In-Reply-To: <417C693F.3010107@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <417C693F.3010107@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You could also use Enlightenment as your window manager within GNOME, if you prefer it to Metacity. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 15:20:28 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PJKSEQ015070 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:20:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PJKS5C015069 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:20:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PJKREQ015065 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:20:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.ssn.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [66.152.21.65]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PJKRbL016711 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:20:27 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by nks-ma-05.ssn.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PJK5Xn031520 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:20:05 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 75so369083rnk for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:19:05 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qeJZUotgzYJjDEKX7Mj3AqpiUHnqhY4KDrZNOWWCB7LGvuVDja4KVOyw1DBla7z1kI1MLKSY//Cns603s1et4RqLnWCc+GsCro/WqQmSJ83JR9ikAQ8a5p/qPnY2sab4Z6s/BXoJKDXDEYfH74j0wj9Z3zr33bhigH+IGbai55s= Received: by 10.38.88.68 with SMTP id l68mr875319rnb; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570410251219406ab797@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:19:00 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband In-Reply-To: <200410251858.i9PIw1vo015616@rs16.luxsci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <620c905704102417413ded2167@mail.gmail.com> <31f12986041025113077c3d794@mail.gmail.com> <200410251858.i9PIw1vo015616@rs16.luxsci.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.6, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_LIKE_NIGERIA 1.30, OACYS_CONS_6 1.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:57:26 -0400, Eric Jahn wrote: > On Monday 25 October 2004 02:30 pm, you wrote: > > T-mobile > > 19.99 unlimited data > > > > GPRS with EDGE Rollout as we speak. > > > > Uses Serria Wireless Aircards. > > What's the module for Sierra Aircards? Does T-Mobile have a charge for the > card also? -Eric > Purchase the card directly from Sierrawireless, if you get it from the provider is is branded and if you decide to change providers or travel outside the USA you can not just pop in a SIM card in order to switch providers. That is the big advantage of GSM/GPRS/EDGE as a international standard if your radio is not branded you just swap out the SIM card with one on the local network and you are good to go, when I was in Nigeria that is exactly what I did with both my c-phone (also a GSMGPRS phone) and my data card. My call cost went from $3/min to less than $1/min for calls to the USA from there. (Your international roam will eat you alive if you use it cheaper just to get a SIM in the country you are at) Indeed when you travel through Europe you will find that they sell the cards right at the point of entry into the country. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 15:22:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PJMaEQ015092 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:22:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PJMav4015091 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:22:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PJMZEQ015087 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:22:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PJMYbP016831 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:22:35 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PJME26030192 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:22:14 -0400 Received: from [69.22.81.110] (helo=blackngold) by asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CMAQ1-0003LO-KO for slug@nks.net; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:22:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c4bac7$f09b8a00$6401a8c0@blackngold> From: "savatage" To: Subject: [SLUG] Xandros Wanting Beta Testers for 3.0 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:22:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 44b05ea7a2d5b6629c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d194678446aefe9d8f9ebfc072b394cc2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.22.81.110 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.308, required 6, AWL 1.89, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net While I was checking on the web one site called http://betanews.com they had a link to Xandros for beta testers for their new 3.0 Desktop. How ever there is something disturbing. On the form to fill out they ask for your E-mail address then the account Password? I do not know why they would ask this but it sure does not sound right. See for Your self http://support.xandros.com/beta_applications/xdl30/index.php Bill Preece --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.783 / Virus Database: 529 - Release Date: 10/25/2004 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 15:30:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PJUaEQ015182 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:30:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PJUaCU015181 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:30:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PJUZEQ015177 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:30:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PJUVbN017211 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:30:35 -0400 Received: from mail15.ca.com (mail15.ca.com [208.232.182.11]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PJTxHt029779 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:30:04 -0400 Received: from usilms22.ca.com ([141.202.201.22]) by mail15.ca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:29:55 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [SLUG] Xandros Wanting Beta Testers for 3.0 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:29:54 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [SLUG] Xandros Wanting Beta Testers for 3.0 Thread-Index: AcS6yB6HiOC4sptoS+68NSDjI7a1RAAAM2bQ From: "Meyer, David R" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2004 19:29:55.0080 (UTC) FILETIME=[0192B080:01C4BAC9] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.906, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9PJUaEQ015178 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is to create a Beta tester account on the Xandros servers for you. It isn't for them to have your email account password. Dave -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of savatage Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 3:22 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Xandros Wanting Beta Testers for 3.0 While I was checking on the web one site called http://betanews.com they had a link to Xandros for beta testers for their new 3.0 Desktop. How ever there is something disturbing. On the form to fill out they ask for your E-mail address then the account Password? I do not know why they would ask this but it sure does not sound right. See for Your self http://support.xandros.com/beta_applications/xdl30/index.php Bill Preece --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 15:56:09 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PJu9EQ015356 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:56:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PJu9d0015355 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:56:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PJu8EQ015351 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:56:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PJu7bL018357 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:56:07 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PJu126002771 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:56:02 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id v18so225752rnb for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:55:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=tDB8bJ9JIyH90drvYTp0SFxTC/M8W8j2iya3K5AAbqa7zA0SpD0XB6sYWm3YeyLER5RLReyy6TBJz8up0ssL+0qL1EeMOLMR/I253C+mm8Lib5tdBUyqB4TULwIud5qOgOKJmQKv/dZucbYSXK+dkxMBr3NJ+ZgsJ5f+a8RIrqY= Received: by 10.38.8.2 with SMTP id 2mr1757280rnh; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.21 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f1298604102512557af92e93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:55:58 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband In-Reply-To: <620c90570410251219406ab797@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <620c905704102417413ded2167@mail.gmail.com> <31f12986041025113077c3d794@mail.gmail.com> <200410251858.i9PIw1vo015616@rs16.luxsci.com> <620c90570410251219406ab797@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.852, required 6, AWL 1.75, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_LIKE_NIGERIA 1.30) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:19:00 -0700, Chuck Hast wrote: > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:57:26 -0400, Eric Jahn wrote: > > On Monday 25 October 2004 02:30 pm, you wrote: > > > T-mobile > > > 19.99 unlimited data > > > > > > GPRS with EDGE Rollout as we speak. > > > > > > Uses Serria Wireless Aircards. > > > > What's the module for Sierra Aircards? Does T-Mobile have a charge for the > > card also? -Eric > > > Purchase the card directly from Sierrawireless, if you get it from the > provider is > is branded and if you decide to change providers or travel outside the USA you > can not just pop in a SIM card in order to switch providers. Tmobile does not provider locks there serria wireless cards. You can even get the phones unlocked from tmobile if you been a customer for at least 90 days. > > That is the big advantage of GSM/GPRS/EDGE as a international standard if your > radio is not branded you just swap out the SIM card with one on the > local network > and you are good to go, when I was in Nigeria that is exactly what I > did with both > my c-phone (also a GSMGPRS phone) and my data card. My call cost went from > $3/min to less than $1/min for calls to the USA from there. (Your > international roam > will eat you alive if you use it cheaper just to get a SIM in the > country you are at) > > Indeed when you travel through Europe you will find that they sell the > cards right > at the point of entry into the country. > > > -- > Chuck Hast > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going > out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn > and twisted metal." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 16:05:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PK5AEQ015428 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:05:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PK5Abd015427 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:05:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PK59EQ015423 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:05:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.ssn.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [66.152.21.65]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PK59bL018755 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:05:09 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by nks-ma-05.ssn.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PK3fXn002390 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:03:47 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id v18so226474rnb for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:01:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=hPupumGjagWqKEzJYlXicVDEW/+sz3e/pdiDrcxreznd0pfY9cH22d6AYFx94EvW7yhtFcadIFArA2Uqfto7h492zglqcLk99VRvgoDKBUs/GXJYROR4JFOA8SoZf0oGzgu3PyeGi9+avyVEKSAhwxFN4wT8QHjEVERkOxLuVWY= Received: by 10.38.8.2 with SMTP id 2mr1759205rnh; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.21 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f1298604102513012eea223f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:01:22 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband In-Reply-To: <620c90570410251213531646a2@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <701a1b3304102208167198f19d@mail.gmail.com> <4179F843.8050002@acun.com> <417B7E6E.4020206@acun.com> <620c9057041024102328e72f62@mail.gmail.com> <417C05AA.9000008@acun.com> <620c905704102417413ded2167@mail.gmail.com> <31f12986041025113077c3d794@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570410251213531646a2@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:13:37 -0700, Chuck Hast wrote: > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:30:11 -0400, Robert Snyder > > > wrote: > > T-mobile > > 19.99 unlimited data > > > > GPRS with EDGE Rollout as we speak. > > > > Uses Serria Wireless Aircards. Works just great for me when I have to > > have net access out when I dont have 802.11 signal around. > > Ohh, I will have to go check that one out. Ahh yes now I know why I > did not use it > I have a buddy that has T-mobile, and their network is PCS only so if > you go into a > network that has 800MHz network only you are out of luck. I think that > their phones > are PCS only also. > > I use AT&T WS, their network is on both the PCS side and the 800MHz side so you > do have a lot better coverage, but at the same time the SW Aircard should be a > triband card (7x0 series) and the 775 which does EDGE also is a quad band card, > all of them will allow you to to roam world wide, if you keep a nice > collection of SIM > cards then you can go about anywhere you want. > > I am going to go see AT&T and see if I can get a better rate if > T-Mobile is down to > that low! > > Tmobile from my use uses the 775 ( 199 dollars) Now tmobile supports 1800mhz 850mhz the two primary gsm freq. I have the 775 which will work anywhere in the world and tmobile did not provider lock it. I used it ATTWS ( where a friends card died out on him.) Now Tmobile funny I gotten great service from them but there coverage rules are wierd. It cant roam at all phone or data on cingular or attws here in florida but When i was out in vegas and out in califronia tmobile allows data and phone traffice through cingular and attws GSM towers. Why because of the lack of towers out west. and they did not charge me roaming. But that is out there in the west where tmobile allows partner roaming. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 16:06:24 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PK6OEQ015445 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:06:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PK6JBs015444 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:06:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PK6IEQ015440 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:06:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.ssn.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [66.152.21.65]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PK6IbN018818 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:06:18 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by nks-ma-05.ssn.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PK61Xn002609 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:06:02 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id v30so119223rnb for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:05:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=D5z9IeWDbgPr0jswcGz+SutYCbfuKCcL3VRMUPJTmQ2qawelhWe9CqSkOU6p9BR/oPIBQr01kwIRko3B4vsTRNjZrNkuOr3e4XIPDZTwqpXGVfDKwcjFOj1Fa7xYBY8qgqLTsTLdo6hy/OoEOz0cDH9rWEYnquD8ALBXoI24xxc= Received: by 10.38.8.50 with SMTP id 50mr51025rnh; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.21 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860410251305f17e34d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:05:01 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband In-Reply-To: <200410251858.i9PIw1vo015616@rs16.luxsci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <620c905704102417413ded2167@mail.gmail.com> <31f12986041025113077c3d794@mail.gmail.com> <200410251858.i9PIw1vo015616@rs16.luxsci.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, OACYS_SINGLE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:57:26 -0400, Eric Jahn wrote: > On Monday 25 October 2004 02:30 pm, you wrote: > > T-mobile > > 19.99 unlimited data > > > > GPRS with EDGE Rollout as we speak. > > > > Uses Serria Wireless Aircards. > > What's the module for Sierra Aircards? Does T-Mobile have a charge for the > card also? -Eric > Eric, Since I still dont have a laptop where I have a big enough hd to run both Linux and Windows I just been running windows. But I have a pcimia pci card comeing in for another purpose where i can plug in the serriawireless card and see what module loads. I have a driver cd that supposed to have linux drivers on it. . Tmobile charges 199 for the serria wireless card there is a different card that has gprs service and 802.11b or g that was 249. Here are the numbers Tmobile unlimited data with phone- 19.99 fee Tmobile unlimited data with out phone service 29.99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 16:53:54 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PKrsEQ015774 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:53:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PKrsIn015773 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:53:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PKrrEQ015769 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:53:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PKrpbT020982 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:53:53 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PKr226012258 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:53:02 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so99658wri for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:53:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=s0ikxJcBfkfIEPMxG47rPElMFYzkHMlKQ5+3z7ok1r2Lrp2lvjvaJ3BTHUJUEyfPQmbGq45UeslHHOWGaP/8i2jlQLcK1lcJ0QOIN++7rcRUY/ZfhoKceppswwNiP0TBL6XyzjScKr0MuZsLsOvWmvH29nbzWf9jPjYGbOGb0yg= Received: by 10.38.152.73 with SMTP id z73mr15956rnd; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905704102513536d54257@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:53:01 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband In-Reply-To: <31f1298604102513012eea223f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <701a1b3304102208167198f19d@mail.gmail.com> <4179F843.8050002@acun.com> <417B7E6E.4020206@acun.com> <620c9057041024102328e72f62@mail.gmail.com> <417C05AA.9000008@acun.com> <620c905704102417413ded2167@mail.gmail.com> <31f12986041025113077c3d794@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570410251213531646a2@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604102513012eea223f@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.412, required 6, AWL 1.49, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:01:22 -0400, Robert Snyder wrote: > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:13:37 -0700, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:30:11 -0400, Robert Snyder > > > > > > wrote: > > > T-mobile > > > 19.99 unlimited data > > > > > > GPRS with EDGE Rollout as we speak. > > > > > > Uses Serria Wireless Aircards. Works just great for me when I have to > > > have net access out when I dont have 802.11 signal around. > > > > Ohh, I will have to go check that one out. Ahh yes now I know why I > > did not use it > > I have a buddy that has T-mobile, and their network is PCS only so if > > you go into a > > network that has 800MHz network only you are out of luck. I think that > > their phones > > are PCS only also. > > > > I use AT&T WS, their network is on both the PCS side and the 800MHz side so you > > do have a lot better coverage, but at the same time the SW Aircard should be a > > triband card (7x0 series) and the 775 which does EDGE also is a quad band card, > > all of them will allow you to to roam world wide, if you keep a nice > > collection of SIM > > cards then you can go about anywhere you want. > > > > I am going to go see AT&T and see if I can get a better rate if > > T-Mobile is down to > > that low! > > > > > Tmobile from my use uses the 775 ( 199 dollars) > > Now tmobile supports 1800mhz 850mhz the two primary gsm freq. I have > the 775 which will work anywhere in the world and tmobile did not > provider lock it. I used it ATTWS ( where a friends card died out on > him.) > > Now Tmobile funny I gotten great service from them but there coverage > rules are wierd. It cant roam at all phone or data on cingular or > attws here in florida but When i was out in vegas and out in > califronia tmobile allows data and phone traffice through cingular and > attws GSM towers. Why because of the lack of towers out west. and > they did not charge me roaming. But that is out there in the west > where tmobile allows partner roaming. I did not realize they were now supporting both the cell and PCS spectrum. But then we have not been asked to do a "can you hear me now" on them yet, so they do not get too high on the radar screen. Glad that they are now supporting both pieces of spectra because if you got stuck with a PCS only device you were in a bad way. I have done "can you hear me now" testing on AT&T, Sprint, Verizon and some on NexTel. AT&T (GSM/GPRS/EDGE) and Verizon (CDMA 1xRT) have the best coverage of the whole bunch. Guy I work with has T-mobile and he is constantly having to use my phone because we go off into areas where he does not have coverage, so I know that the coverage if you get off the main roads is still not very good. But there are places where even the two 800 lbs gorillas are poor, one is out in Page AZ. B-] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 17:20:28 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PLKSEQ016006 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:20:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PLKSJF016005 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:20:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PLKREQ016001 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:20:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PLKRbP022236 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:20:27 -0400 Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PLKD26017912 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:20:13 -0400 Received: from arthur.joe-di ([4.47.204.60]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041025212009.FVFL3542.out009.verizon.net@arthur.joe-di> for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:20:09 -0500 From: Joe Brandt To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] temp folder Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:20:18 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410251720.18629.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [4.47.204.60] at Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:20:09 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.891, required 6, AWL 1.58, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net What is the default numerical permission setting for /tmp folder? I changed it to 7777 and messed up my Evolution. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 17:35:08 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PLZ8EQ016120 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:35:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PLZ8ux016119 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:35:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PLZ7EQ016115 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:35:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PLZ7bN022902 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:35:07 -0400 Received: from out005.verizon.net (out005pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.143]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PLYt26020418 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:34:55 -0400 Received: from [192.168.254.88] ([4.11.124.133]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041025213451.LSTK20108.out005.verizon.net@[192.168.254.88]> for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:34:51 -0500 Message-ID: <417D7171.5040508@gte.net> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:34:41 -0400 From: Robert Snyder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Windows/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <701a1b3304102208167198f19d@mail.gmail.com> <4179F843.8050002@acun.com> <417B7E6E.4020206@acun.com> <620c9057041024102328e72f62@mail.gmail.com> <417C05AA.9000008@acun.com> <620c905704102417413ded2167@mail.gmail.com> <31f12986041025113077c3d794@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570410251213531646a2@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604102513012eea223f@mail.gmail.com> <620c905704102513536d54257@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c905704102513536d54257@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [4.11.124.133] at Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:34:51 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=6.559, required 6, AWL 0.97, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: >On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:01:22 -0400, Robert Snyder > wrote: > > >>On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:13:37 -0700, Chuck Hast wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:30:11 -0400, Robert Snyder >>> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>T-mobile >>>>19.99 unlimited data >>>> >>>>GPRS with EDGE Rollout as we speak. >>>> >>>>Uses Serria Wireless Aircards. Works just great for me when I have to >>>>have net access out when I dont have 802.11 signal around. >>>> >>>> >>>Ohh, I will have to go check that one out. Ahh yes now I know why I >>>did not use it >>>I have a buddy that has T-mobile, and their network is PCS only so if >>>you go into a >>>network that has 800MHz network only you are out of luck. I think that >>>their phones >>>are PCS only also. >>> >>>I use AT&T WS, their network is on both the PCS side and the 800MHz side so you >>>do have a lot better coverage, but at the same time the SW Aircard should be a >>>triband card (7x0 series) and the 775 which does EDGE also is a quad band card, >>>all of them will allow you to to roam world wide, if you keep a nice >>>collection of SIM >>>cards then you can go about anywhere you want. >>> >>>I am going to go see AT&T and see if I can get a better rate if >>>T-Mobile is down to >>>that low! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Tmobile from my use uses the 775 ( 199 dollars) >> >>Now tmobile supports 1800mhz 850mhz the two primary gsm freq. I have >>the 775 which will work anywhere in the world and tmobile did not >>provider lock it. I used it ATTWS ( where a friends card died out on >>him.) >> >>Now Tmobile funny I gotten great service from them but there coverage >>rules are wierd. It cant roam at all phone or data on cingular or >>attws here in florida but When i was out in vegas and out in >>califronia tmobile allows data and phone traffice through cingular and >>attws GSM towers. Why because of the lack of towers out west. and >>they did not charge me roaming. But that is out there in the west >>where tmobile allows partner roaming. >> >> > >I did not realize they were now supporting both the cell and PCS spectrum. >But then we have not been asked to do a "can you hear me now" on them >yet, so they do not get too high on the radar screen. Glad that they are now >supporting both pieces of spectra because if you got stuck with a PCS only >device you were in a bad way. > >I have done "can you hear me now" testing on AT&T, Sprint, Verizon and >some on NexTel. AT&T (GSM/GPRS/EDGE) and Verizon (CDMA 1xRT) have >the best coverage of the whole bunch. > >Guy I work with has T-mobile and he is constantly having to use my phone >because we go off into areas where he does not have coverage, so I know >that the coverage if you get off the main roads is still not very >good. But there >are places where even the two 800 lbs gorillas are poor, one is out in Page >AZ. B-] > > > Does your friend use a Sony Ericson phone. The sony ericsons that Tmobile use suck. pist poor antenna and does not handle rf noise well. Some phones I have thorugh tmobile which have been good. Samsung R225 - great phone if you only need a phone type of phone. Nokia 6010 - great signal no matter where i go . I seen mixed reports of the moto v66 being good and bad. I think it more of his phone than his service. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 17:42:54 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PLgsEQ016182 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:42:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PLgsge016181 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:42:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PLgrEQ016177 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:42:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PLgqbL023270 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:42:52 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PLgUHt029919 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:42:30 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CMCbl-0000dK-NZ for slug@nks.net; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:42:30 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] temp folder Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:42:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <200410251720.18629.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200410251720.18629.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410251742.25964.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 25 October 2004 05:20 pm, Joe Brandt wrote: > What is the default numerical permission setting for /tmp folder? > > I changed it to 7777 and messed up my Evolution. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. It should be 0777 -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 17:48:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PLmlEQ016223 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:48:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PLmlYj016222 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:48:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PLmfEQ016218 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:48:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PLmbbP023489 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:48:41 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com ([66.252.134.3]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PLlqHt031239 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:48:10 -0400 Received: from pcp03955260pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.56.208] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CMCgu-0003JH-0y for slug@nks.net; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:47:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [OT}[SLUG] Wireless broadband From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <620c90570410251219406ab797@mail.gmail.com> References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <620c905704102417413ded2167@mail.gmail.com> <31f12986041025113077c3d794@mail.gmail.com> <200410251858.i9PIw1vo015616@rs16.luxsci.com> <620c90570410251219406ab797@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-PXuMNDWRpAo7JCHbNe+i" Organization: I.T. Are Belonging To Us Message-Id: <1098740851.1149.1.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:47:31 -0400 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.901, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_LIKE_NIGERIA 1.30, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-PXuMNDWRpAo7JCHbNe+i Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 15:19, Chuck Hast wrote: > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:57:26 -0400, Eric Jahn wrote: > > On Monday 25 October 2004 02:30 pm, you wrote: > and you are good to go, when I was in Nigeria that is exactly what I > did with both Ah Ha! Now we know how the 419'ers got on to the SLUG list! (grin) The Logan --=20 17:45:02 up 28 days, 18:59, 2 users, load average: 0.13, 0.39, 0.67 Spare the rod and spoil the rm -r. -- BOFH ICQ: 72101412 AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Jabber: logantheclever Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-PXuMNDWRpAo7JCHbNe+i Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBfXRz3OecGqSbkyMRAmAFAJ9NxEOrEBC5bsEpJbn8ZZ/dBXlkfwCfTcN9 i8YQkOYemH4/f0RF4KtkSYc= =Ct6N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-PXuMNDWRpAo7JCHbNe+i-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 17:53:11 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PLrBEQ016279 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:53:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PLrBQg016278 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:53:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PLrAEQ016274 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:53:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PLrAbL023717 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:53:10 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PLqo26023498 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:52:54 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9PLqiT5018598 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:52:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] temp folder In-Reply-To: <200410251720.18629.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: What is the default numerical permission setting for /tmp folder? > > I changed it to 7777 and messed up my Evolution. 1777, so anybody can make a file there but can only modify files owned by that user. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar VIRGO: All Virgos are extremely friendly and intelligent - except for you. Expect a big surprise today when you wind up with your head impaled upon a stick. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 18:12:57 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PMCvEQ016415 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:12:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PMCv3A016414 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:12:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PMCuEQ016410 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:12:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PMCtbP024713 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:12:56 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PMBfHt005495 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:11:42 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so110751wri for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:11:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=C8Ekdx3Fc9HBEdArYQJDGTH5NTSTvbradA/MgialvJJ9Lzp7vgHHsYFz0fM0mZEsRJJUbouOeAwqrDRCtXfg5glHu4OUlTYvtGzKduRXeZEvozbEkLj+j4K6HQNWfZaO2A7xkgEH3L6bqm0M5JCnYbs5AiypsK80z/zvSaUHGZU= Received: by 10.38.102.69 with SMTP id z69mr41411rnb; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905704102515115e4c5780@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:11:41 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband In-Reply-To: <417D7171.5040508@gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <417B7E6E.4020206@acun.com> <620c9057041024102328e72f62@mail.gmail.com> <417C05AA.9000008@acun.com> <620c905704102417413ded2167@mail.gmail.com> <31f12986041025113077c3d794@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570410251213531646a2@mail.gmail.com> <31f1298604102513012eea223f@mail.gmail.com> <620c905704102513536d54257@mail.gmail.com> <417D7171.5040508@gte.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:34:41 -0400, Robert Snyder wrote: > Chuck Hast wrote: > > > > >On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:01:22 -0400, Robert Snyder > > wrote: > > > > > >>On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:13:37 -0700, Chuck Hast wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:30:11 -0400, Robert Snyder > >>> > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>T-mobile > >>>>19.99 unlimited data > >>>> > >>>>GPRS with EDGE Rollout as we speak. > >>>> > >>>>Uses Serria Wireless Aircards. Works just great for me when I have to > >>>>have net access out when I dont have 802.11 signal around. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Ohh, I will have to go check that one out. Ahh yes now I know why I > >>>did not use it > >>>I have a buddy that has T-mobile, and their network is PCS only so if > >>>you go into a > >>>network that has 800MHz network only you are out of luck. I think that > >>>their phones > >>>are PCS only also. > >>> > >>>I use AT&T WS, their network is on both the PCS side and the 800MHz side so you > >>>do have a lot better coverage, but at the same time the SW Aircard should be a > >>>triband card (7x0 series) and the 775 which does EDGE also is a quad band card, > >>>all of them will allow you to to roam world wide, if you keep a nice > >>>collection of SIM > >>>cards then you can go about anywhere you want. > >>> > >>>I am going to go see AT&T and see if I can get a better rate if > >>>T-Mobile is down to > >>>that low! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Tmobile from my use uses the 775 ( 199 dollars) > >> > >>Now tmobile supports 1800mhz 850mhz the two primary gsm freq. I have > >>the 775 which will work anywhere in the world and tmobile did not > >>provider lock it. I used it ATTWS ( where a friends card died out on > >>him.) > >> > >>Now Tmobile funny I gotten great service from them but there coverage > >>rules are wierd. It cant roam at all phone or data on cingular or > >>attws here in florida but When i was out in vegas and out in > >>califronia tmobile allows data and phone traffice through cingular and > >>attws GSM towers. Why because of the lack of towers out west. and > >>they did not charge me roaming. But that is out there in the west > >>where tmobile allows partner roaming. > >> > >> > > > >I did not realize they were now supporting both the cell and PCS spectrum. > >But then we have not been asked to do a "can you hear me now" on them > >yet, so they do not get too high on the radar screen. Glad that they are now > >supporting both pieces of spectra because if you got stuck with a PCS only > >device you were in a bad way. > > > >I have done "can you hear me now" testing on AT&T, Sprint, Verizon and > >some on NexTel. AT&T (GSM/GPRS/EDGE) and Verizon (CDMA 1xRT) have > >the best coverage of the whole bunch. > > > >Guy I work with has T-mobile and he is constantly having to use my phone > >because we go off into areas where he does not have coverage, so I know > >that the coverage if you get off the main roads is still not very > >good. But there > >are places where even the two 800 lbs gorillas are poor, one is out in Page > >AZ. B-] > > > > > > > > Does your friend use a Sony Ericson phone. The sony ericsons that > Tmobile use suck. pist poor antenna and does not handle rf noise well. > > Some phones I have thorugh tmobile which have been good. > > Samsung R225 - great phone if you only need a phone type of phone. > > Nokia 6010 - great signal no matter where i go . > > I seen mixed reports of the moto v66 being good and bad. > > I think it more of his phone than his service. > No, he is using the blackberry device and whatever RF deck they supply with it. My testing is done on digital cards. Do not do phones (as yet) we do all of our testing (to date) with the SW cards. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 18:15:18 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PMFIEQ016440 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:15:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PMFIN8016439 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:15:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PMFCEQ016435 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:15:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PMFCbT024824 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:15:12 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PMF126028448 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:15:01 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so111153wri for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:15:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=H2B9nEuyI/OrzrlqR9sWvGAv7VFgOClqdFczN5/f7hmBnCk22p0xkFVvIj8JJjPGvsCXwIiWehw+GziYEqwDFjUNKNhF7/R0GkBI0Ka8tV3LyBI4wC/Ur8dijIfw5/pg4luDglFYmIJBn0/HxJaZGKVwcNyIbc1gSEFGUTj4Zug= Received: by 10.38.67.25 with SMTP id p25mr46878rna; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905704102515159a660c9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:15:00 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [OT}[SLUG] Wireless broadband In-Reply-To: <1098740851.1149.1.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <620c905704102417413ded2167@mail.gmail.com> <31f12986041025113077c3d794@mail.gmail.com> <200410251858.i9PIw1vo015616@rs16.luxsci.com> <620c90570410251219406ab797@mail.gmail.com> <1098740851.1149.1.camel@sirus> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.81, required 6, AWL 0.79, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_LIKE_NIGERIA 1.30) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:47:31 -0400, Logan Tygart wrote: > On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 15:19, Chuck Hast wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:57:26 -0400, Eric Jahn wrote: > > > On Monday 25 October 2004 02:30 pm, you wrote: > > > and you are good to go, when I was in Nigeria that is exactly what I > > did with both > > Ah Ha! Now we know how the 419'ers got on to the SLUG list! (grin) > Yep article 419 of the Nigerian Federal Fraud code. When I was there if you got caught you may never come back from the police station. A person caught violating the code on the internet was not treated kindly, but that still does not stop them from trying though they seem to be moving to other countries now as the government is making life miserable for them if they catch them. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 18:35:48 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PMZmEQ016594 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:35:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PMZeGp016593 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:35:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PMZdEQ016589 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:35:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PMZcbV025884 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:35:39 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PMZCHt012089 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:35:12 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CMDQk-0003kH-Ld for slug@nks.net; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:35:11 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] temp folder Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:35:06 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410251835.06091.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 25 October 2004 05:52 pm, Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Joe Brandt wrote: > > What is the default numerical permission setting for /tmp folder? > > > > I changed it to 7777 and messed up my Evolution. > > 1777, so anybody can make a file there but can only modify files owned > by that user. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 19:55:55 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PNttEQ017133 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:55:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9PNttsi017132 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:55:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9PNtsEQ017128 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:55:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PNtsbL029835 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:55:54 -0400 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9PNtRHt001466 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:55:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E881A10E6D for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11607-01-9 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.227.193.250] (p199-227-193-250.max.acun.net [199.227.193.250]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1206510EBA for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <417D926A.3040903@acun.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:55:22 -0400 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <701a1b3304102208167198f19d@mail.gmail.com> <4179F843.8050002@acun.com> <417B7E6E.4020206@acun.com> <620c9057041024102328e72f62@mail.gmail.com> <417C05AA.9000008@acun.com> <417C2FBB.6020508@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: <417C2FBB.6020508@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Robin "Roblimo" Miller wrote: > > I'm using a Toshiba Satellite laptop + SMC 802.11 PCMCIA card right > now, no problem. I had to go into the MEPIS system center to set up > the wireless connection -- took 10 seconds -- and since I rarely use > this laptop through a wire I also unchecked the ETH0 setup at boot to > speed up my boot time. Hi Robin! Is your card a, b or g? I will have to try that unchecking trick. I notice it asked for the root password. Am I running as root now until I reboot or just on that screen? My ISP guy is downloading the latest Simply MEPIS for me as we speak. Maybe that one will print, write to external media and have sound. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 20:02:19 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q02JEQ017198 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:02:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9Q02JuQ017197 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:02:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q02IEQ017193 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:02:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q02EbV030124 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:02:18 -0400 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q00uHt003741 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:00:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102C21095E for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12179-01-2 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.227.193.250] (p199-227-193-250.max.acun.net [199.227.193.250]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B362A10AAF for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <417D93C3.5030400@acun.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:01:07 -0400 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linuxcertified laptops? References: <417C3CFB.8060600@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <417C3CFB.8060600@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mark Polhamus wrote: > I'd like to have 802.11g. Only one PCI slot as far as I can tell, so > if I use that for WiFi I have none left. Looks like it's on the > front left, not a good location for an antenna. Hi Mark! I saw a usp interface somewhere for Wi-Fi, maybe Office Depot or Best Buy. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 20:06:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q06hEQ017229 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:06:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9Q06hJA017228 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:06:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q06gEQ017224 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:06:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q06gbN030347 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:06:42 -0400 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q06P26017290 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:06:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B40F1095E for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12638-01-2 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.227.193.250] (p199-227-193-250.max.acun.net [199.227.193.250]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692E710F45 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <417D9504.1080301@acun.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:06:28 -0400 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <701a1b3304102208167198f19d@mail.gmail.com> <4179F843.8050002@acun.com> <417B7E6E.4020206@acun.com> <620c9057041024102328e72f62@mail.gmail.com> <417C05AA.9000008@acun.com> <620c905704102417413ded2167@mail.gmail.com> <31f12986041025113077c3d794@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <31f12986041025113077c3d794@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.538, required 6, AWL 1.72, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Robert Snyder wrote: > T-mobile > 19.99 unlimited data > > GPRS with EDGE Rollout as we speak. > > Uses Serria Wireless Aircards. Works just great for me when I have to > have net access out when I dont have 802.11 signal around. Hi Robert! I may yet do that. What is the speed of T-Mobil EDGE? Is that faster than 802.11 or slower? Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 20:38:23 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q0cNEQ017453 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:38:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9Q0cN5W017452 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:38:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q0cJEQ017448 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:38:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q0cEbL031868 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:38:19 -0400 Received: from smtp107.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp107.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.169.227]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i9Q0c326022712 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:38:04 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (calebsr2k@24.170.132.114 with plain) by smtp107.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 00:38:02 -0000 Message-ID: <417D9C7B.1040607@acm.org> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:38:19 -0400 From: Caleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Wireless Broadband Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.345, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_BUY_NOW 0.21, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey guys and gals, I have been using the Sprint Aircard for the last two years. The model is CF2031 made by Growell. The specs are 230 Kbps on the XP side. I know that I get a fast connection on the Linux side. It works pretty well. Much faster than dial-up. The card allows you to make voice calls provided that you have a plan. The only glitch is that the voice calls only work on the other OS. I just recently got a hold of a Verizon Broadband Wireless card. Wow! this thing really rocks. It works on both XP and Linux*. Below is a link to how to get it to work with linux. (not really hard) According to the card it should allow you access to a WIFI network using 802.11g. The speed is rated at 300 to 500 Kbps with burst up to 2Mbps. http://www.ka9q.net/5220.html The price per month is rather high 79.99. If you need this kind of speed and service. Remember buyer beware. The nice thing is that you can try the card for 15 days and decide if you want to keep it or not. Overall not a bad deal, but I will stick with the Yiso Card even though I cannot stand Sprint. The price is better than Verizon. P.S. In case any one would like to know if you buy this card it now retails for 199.00 with a 150.00 rebate(mail in) which brings the price of the card to 49.00. That is my two cents worth. Phew..... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 20:45:08 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q0j8EQ017523 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:45:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9Q0j8gn017522 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:45:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q0j8EQ017518 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:45:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q0j7bN032179 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:45:07 -0400 Received: from audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net (audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.253]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q0iv26023806 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:44:57 -0400 Received: from [69.154.34.159] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CMFSL-0001ul-Au for slug@nks.net; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:44:57 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: Linuxcertified laptops? From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <417D93C3.5030400@acun.com> References: <417C3CFB.8060600@earthlink.net> <417D93C3.5030400@acun.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1098751496.2552.64.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:44:56 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec792b605a738715e54905c3da9970c90c6a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.34.159 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.868, required 6, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 20:01, Pete Theisen wrote: > Hi Mark! I saw a usp interface USB? > somewhere for Wi-Fi, maybe Office Depot or Best Buy. USB is probably the worst interface for block devices. I was at the company that wrote the first driver for a USB WLAN device. You had to write a lot of code in software (e.g., memory mapped I/O) that is normally provided by hardware. USB 2.0 EHCI controllers (UHCI=12Mbps/1.5MBps, EHCI=480Mbps/60MBps) makes it tolerable. Intel has admitted that the efficiency of USB 2.0 is no where near FireWire, and 60MBps is no where achievable. I think Intel regrets not licensing FireWire. Anyone remember "Device Bay"? ;-ppp -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 21:22:21 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q1MLEQ017772 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:22:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9Q1MLhx017771 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:22:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q1MLEQ017767 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:22:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q1MKbL001524 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:22:20 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q1LuHt025672 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:21:56 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id v18so246069rnb for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:21:55 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=P1kpZ3ge0slQkUp2dg9tmFauCTsX7MbLUyZZ4tY3pX5D/kgZ64u+BS13asoCy3F/Ub8Kjd4OkIiaiV5JPtT0Ulf1tDYYIytN5kn5o2BSMbkJo2Toctmw7WBG+Gmk4nJBDX8qBI8SBhatHcnRCIMglwtwCC92ZQL+1a6grsaXjB8= Received: by 10.38.179.77 with SMTP id b77mr1844790rnf; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.179.21 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f12986041025182171b24569@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:21:55 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless broadband In-Reply-To: <417D9504.1080301@acun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4178B967.3080202@acun.com> <701a1b3304102208167198f19d@mail.gmail.com> <4179F843.8050002@acun.com> <417B7E6E.4020206@acun.com> <620c9057041024102328e72f62@mail.gmail.com> <417C05AA.9000008@acun.com> <620c905704102417413ded2167@mail.gmail.com> <31f12986041025113077c3d794@mail.gmail.com> <417D9504.1080301@acun.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:06:28 -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: > Robert Snyder wrote: > > > > T-mobile > > 19.99 unlimited data > > > > GPRS with EDGE Rollout as we speak. > > > > Uses Serria Wireless Aircards. Works just great for me when I have to > > have net access out when I dont have 802.11 signal around. > > Hi Robert! > > I may yet do that. What is the speed of T-Mobil EDGE? Is that faster > than 802.11 or slower? > > Regards, > > Pete > Tmobile EDGE is still working it self out. I had edge up in PA but they were doing a test bed there. EDGE is in roll out but not here yet. I was getting 300kbps fast enough to feel like broadband but not dsl or cable speed. right now here i getting 56 -64 kbps so low end isdn speed. Tmobile wants egde everywhere by the end of 05. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 21:36:32 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q1aWEQ017883 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:36:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9Q1aWoW017882 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:36:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q1aVEQ017878 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:36:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q1aUbX002231 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:36:31 -0400 Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q1aIHt029563 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:36:19 -0400 Received: from verizon.net ([4.28.110.62]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041026013618.OVHH22336.out002.verizon.net@verizon.net> for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:36:18 -0500 Message-ID: <417DAA10.30600@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:36:16 -0400 From: Nathan Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting References: <000501c4bab2$071afa10$a00aa8c0@GOKU> In-Reply-To: <000501c4bab2$071afa10$a00aa8c0@GOKU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.28.110.62] at Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:36:18 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Aaron Steimle wrote: > I will do a demo of a basic PHP/MYSQL application that I have working on. It > is a project I am in the process of completing for work. I will go over > basic PHP/MYSQL concepts and whatever anyone wants to know about it, which > will be restricted to question that I know answers to. Since I don't know > much, it should go quick. > Aaron, Thanks for showing us your db/front end you're making for work, looked pretty impressive to me. Also, thanks to Mario for going over how to put a CD's data on a HD but have the ability to access the data like it was on the still on a CD. Nate ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 22:06:35 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q26ZEQ018082 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:06:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9Q26Z7a018081 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:06:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q26YEQ018077 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:06:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q26YbL003668 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:06:34 -0400 Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q26AHt005421 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:06:11 -0400 Received: from opus ([68.18.30.194]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20041026020559.HKLT2429.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@opus> for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:05:59 -0400 From: "Patrick Grantham" To: Subject: [SLUG] firefox vs mozilla vs ms-for unix. Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:06:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c4bb00$68d2b510$c902a8c0@opus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <417DAA10.30600@verizon.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The firefox browser: Just stumbled on it. Performance seem far faster than mozilla or msIE for unix. opinions? 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 25 23:19:40 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q3JeEQ018580 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:19:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9Q3Jek3018579 for slug-track29; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:19:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q3JdEQ018575 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:19:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q3JdbL006922 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:19:39 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q3JVHt023917 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:19:31 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so143860wri for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:19:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=llYsthEeEzE/oefjo8TxdlX3GfLyBh4TUhx+xGwo+v38EC3kjJOqu/koqSHGWxBmy7qmzW+02uuN4v8rd1t8rbv+yNvEs2q89Zb+sySU82W0WEhwtK+X4HkdmZb9TMqaNY06xNVj6BEMzfrjpqvv7E3K6D4EwQy2se6I37vmrx4= Received: by 10.38.151.24 with SMTP id y24mr136811rnd; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905704102520191e4410ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:19:31 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Debian on laptop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks, I am trying to get familiar with Debian, I have a Tosh 490xdt which I am installing it on. Seems most stuff is coming up but the network piece. I have PCMCIA WiFi card in it (senao card which uses the prisim chip set) but it appears that a eth0 entry was not created in the system. PCMCIA appears to come up if I do a lsmod I see all of the modules in there, the WiFi card even lights up a small pilot LED when the PCMCIA stuff starts running and beeps. But when I do a ifconfig, all I see is the 'lo' entry, no eth0 or any other assigment. Trying to figure out what I have not done correctly. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 00:06:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q46FEQ018925 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:06:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9Q46Fb4018924 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:06:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q46EEQ018920 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:06:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q46EbN009121 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:06:14 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q45x26029172 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:06:00 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i9Q45xQU022724 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:05:59 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i9Q441a7021304; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:04:01 GMT Message-Id: <200410260404.i9Q441a7021304@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:04:01 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian on laptop Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:02:29 -0400 References: <620c905704102520191e4410ca@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c905704102520191e4410ca@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1098763441-2180336.32187098 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.007, required 6, AWL 0.19, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 25 October 2004 11:19 pm, you wrote: > But when I do a ifconfig, all I see is the 'lo' entry, no eth0 or any other > assigment. Please post the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file Also, could it be that your prism chipset-handling module isn't loading even though pcmcia is? But I thought Prism 2 handling was built into the kernel. Oh yeah, and please post your full lsmod and dmesg output. -- Eric J ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 00:10:57 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q4AvEQ018973 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:10:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9Q4Av7N018972 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:10:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q4AuEQ018968 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:10:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q4AsbZ009441 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:10:56 -0400 Received: from audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net (audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.253]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q48uHt005213 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:08:57 -0400 Received: from [69.154.34.159] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CMIdk-0006lx-NP for slug@nks.net; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:08:56 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: firefox vs mozilla vs ms-for unix. -- Firefox or MSIE/UNIX? From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <000001c4bb00$68d2b510$c902a8c0@opus> References: <000001c4bb00$68d2b510$c902a8c0@opus> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1098763735.2552.105.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:08:55 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec791cdb5a3a5eb845e562886ce791a39fd1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.34.159 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 22:06, Patrick Grantham wrote: > The firefox browser: > Just stumbled on it. Performance seem far faster than mozilla or msIE for > unix. > opinions? Comments? You just stumbled upon Firefox? Or MS IE for UNIX? As far as MS IE for UNIX, it's the same issue as MacOS X, it doesn't have the Win32-only components -- especially the stuff that MS IE prefers by default over W3C standards. In fact, MS IE for MacOS X and UNIX is very standards compliant (very different than their Win32 brother). MS IE is also Solaris only (SPARC? x86?) the last time I checked. As far as Firefox, it's a respin of the browser-only component of Mozilla. But unlike Galeon or Epiphany, it does not require Mozilla, it is a self-contained binary. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 00:16:16 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q4GGEQ019011 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:16:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9Q4GGYM019010 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:16:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q4GGEQ019006 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:16:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q4FxbL009699 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:16:14 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q4FKHt007398 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:15:20 -0400 Received: from pool-24.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.204] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.03m/96) id 9VQZJ00 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:14:29 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] kaddressbook problem Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:55:13 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410252355.13470.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net OK Sluggers, Somebody has to know how to do this. Have tried everything I can think of, even to editing a file by hand but I cannot find it. When one pulls down the menu for "to" when sending a mail in kmail, you can choose from several categories. User created distribution lists, and recent contacts. Where, How, does one edit those lists ??? Not in the regular kaddressbook that is for sure. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 02:33:28 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q6XSEQ019943 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 02:33:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9Q6XSfW019942 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 02:33:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9Q6XREQ019938 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 02:33:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q6XRbN016758 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 02:33:27 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9Q6X426022006 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 02:33:05 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so161067wri for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:33:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=bZ4iEHu+DTWSRreSiKQVsS6t9S8BwKtVmTGC8s08x9kP+QedrnV7VhMifoyOw2GV95HztcAzdEuXhTb0PztB5cyyCHyCooPAQ6qjia6HJrYMrcGRJHYVYyl1mx06YEwnFY3pBB/vnKlkdV+Plu1b83ry3fW02iGjFwlFuHsWXvM= Received: by 10.38.81.16 with SMTP id e16mr193425rnb; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.207.32 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 02:32:59 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting In-Reply-To: <000501c4bab2$071afa10$a00aa8c0@GOKU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <000501c4bab2$071afa10$a00aa8c0@GOKU> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.093, required 6, AWL 1.81, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net And so on Pungenday, the sixth day of The Aftermath, Year of Our Lady Discordia Three Thousand One Hundred and Seventy, which being called the Twenty Fifth day of the October month in the year two thosand and four, the fruitful and Ilkly Shaped Saint Petersburg chapter of the humble Suncoast Linux User Group did assemble at the appointed time in the appointed place and much merriment was to be had. The meeting did start with yours truly re-arranging the chairs of the meeting place, because their improper alignment did disturb him slightly. This went on for about for about fifteen minutes, until your author tired of such endeavours. Meanwhile the meeting started, and our very own Comrade Steimle did have his Projector Of Doom emitting its awful Light upon the hallowed walls of the Library. Aaron explained this was because it was a bigger picture on the wall then on the projector screen, and this is indeed true. So indeed, Aaron with his Projector device began discussing the PHP/MySQL application he had been working on in his secret mountain lair. It should be noted, the wallpaper of Aaron's window manager is freaky-deaky. Your author apologizes, but this part of the meeting is a blur to him, for he was somewhat preoccupied with restructuring his ~/.vimrc file. Aaron related anecdotes about his work, which involves a great deal of patent dead, on the order of hundreds of gigs of this and terabytes of that. In the midst of this, Mario was asked to explain the mounting of ISO images from CDs using the venerable /dev/loopN devices, and everyone seemed glued to their seat. Now, about this time yours truly felt the need to wash his hands, having been so clumsy as to spill caffeinated beverage on the said hands. Between the time it took to enter the bathroom, and then exit the same -- about thirty seconds -- decided to never enter that particular place again. So, Aaron continued talking of the goings ons of his secret mountain lair, and JavaScript magic, and his newfound PHP addiction. Then there was even a flowchart. So, as the meeting did draw to a close, James Miller and this storyteller agreed that there would be an after-meeting meeting at a nearby restaurant, and others were informed. Aaron informed everyone that he was not actually there, and so he could not come. Mario had matters of great importance to attend to, and various other people also declined. In the end, James the Miller, Angela, Gloria, Bob the fox worthy, Jim the Lightfoot, Leonard, and Dylan the Hardy Son went to The St. Petersburg Dinner and had merriment and food and conversation. There was conversation of the Martial Arts of the Chinese from Mr. Lightfoot, talk of conspiracies from James, Leonard, and this author, and so many other things that one cannot remember. Sir Bob of the Worthy Fox was his usual chipmunk self. After the dinning, there was accusations to James that he is actually an FBI mole planted to investigate the goings on of technocrati in the Tampa area. James neither affirmed nor denied this. All and all, it was a pleasant and educational meeting. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 06:24:34 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QAOVEQ021707 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 06:24:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9QAOVV3021706 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 06:24:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QAOJEQ021702 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 06:24:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QAO3bL027188 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 06:24:19 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com ([66.252.134.3]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QANK26025297 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 06:23:47 -0400 Received: from pcp03955260pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.56.208] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CMOU1-00013u-QZ for slug@nks.net; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 06:23:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian on laptop From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <620c905704102520191e4410ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <620c905704102520191e4410ca@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-eslCYwvmvPToBxmY0IyW" Organization: I.T. Are Belonging To Us Message-Id: <1098786179.11037.35.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 06:22:59 -0400 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.46, required 6, AWL 0.74, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-eslCYwvmvPToBxmY0IyW Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 23:19, Chuck Hast wrote: > Folks, > I am trying to get familiar with Debian, I have a Tosh 490xdt which I am=20 > installing it on. Seems most stuff is coming up but the network piece. I > have PCMCIA WiFi card in it (senao card which uses the prisim chip > set) but it appears that a eth0 entry was not created in the system. > PCMCIA appears to come up if I do a lsmod I see all of the modules in > there, the WiFi card even lights up a small pilot LED when the PCMCIA > stuff starts running and beeps. Which version of Debian are you running? Woody, Sarge or Sid? Did you install the linux-wlan-ng-modules for your kernel? What about wireless-tools? Try: apt-cache search wireless . It will show a list of wireless goodies available for installation. Then: apt-get install linux-wlan-ng-modules-your.kernel.version wireless-tools . You may also need to install dhclient if you are using dynamic ip addresses. >=20 > But when I do a ifconfig, all I see is the 'lo' entry, no eth0 or any oth= er > assigment. Set up wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces. Assuming you will be using dhcp, add this: iface wlan0 inet dhcp In /etc/wlan there will be wlancfg-DEFAULT. Copy this file and change DEFAULT to what ever your ssid is (cp wlancfg-DEFAULT wlancfg-foo) .=20 Then edit the file and make the appropriate changes for network foo, where foo is the ssid you use for your network. >=20 > Trying to figure out what I have not done correctly. This should get you going. The Logan --=20 05:55:01 up 29 days, 7:09, 3 users, load average: 0.05, 0.26, 0.58 Manly and twinkie do not belong in the same sentenance.(sic) -- Mark Bishop= , SLUG List ICQ: 72101412 AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Jabber: logantheclever Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-eslCYwvmvPToBxmY0IyW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBfiWD3OecGqSbkyMRAmPZAKDX30vRVk+IlM2pcfmc05ci6tNeFwCfXOlV Xt7i+VWb9opaHtseJl0M0Hc= =Xoo9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-eslCYwvmvPToBxmY0IyW-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 07:16:28 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QBGSEQ022078 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:16:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9QBGSev022077 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:16:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QBGREQ022073 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:16:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QBGRbL029473 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:16:27 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QBGF26001301 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:16:15 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9QBGDB7017890 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410261116.i9QBGDB7017890@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: [SLUG] OT - CAD vendors advising customers to outsource Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:14:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcS7TP30+ZkgMomVTFGz4p7IAmTfNA== X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.236, required 6, AWL 1.66, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From upFront.eZine: CAD vendors are emphasizing outsourcing to their customers. That's to sell more software, and especially to create a market for collaboration software. Last Friday, we listened as PTC executives boasted to financial analysts that they are advising companies to replace $100K/yr American engineers with $20K/yr Indian engineers. It occurred to us that maybe nearly all of its employees -- and those of any other software company -- could get outsourced enmasse to India, Russia, China, wherever -- software programming, marketing and public relations, IT and tech support, accounting, whatever. All an American software company needs in the United States is a ceo and local resellers. I've always had a dislike for PTC for this kind of crap. PTC makes a product known as Pro/Engineer or Pro/E. Ken Elliott ===================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 07:38:20 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QBcKEQ022250 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:38:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9QBcKQx022249 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:38:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QBcJEQ022245 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:38:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QBcJbL030362 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:38:19 -0400 Received: from web52608.mail.yahoo.com (web52608.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.146]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i9QBc726004600 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:38:07 -0400 Message-ID: <20041026113807.10266.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.33.49.251] by web52608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:38:07 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:38:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian on laptop To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <620c905704102520191e4410ca@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.357, required 6, AWL 3.45, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi CHuck , et al , Just as an aside, IF you like Debian or are curious about it, then another solution for those who are Linux techie sorts, would be a distro called Damn Small Linux. I have a 486-33 that I have Debian "Woody" installed on. Its an older machine obviously and it had no CD rom. After an entire afternoon, 30 or so FLoppies and Alot of "Iron Chef" I got it installed and the thing runs like a top. I fell in love Debian after that. That being said.. Damn Small Linux is a Knoppix/Debian Derivative and Its a great toy. It fits on a 50 Meg Live CD and installs in 300 Megs on the HD. It is possible that you may be able to pick up your wireless card with that and have your Debian too ! Just a thought.. Mark --- Chuck Hast wrote: > Folks, > I am trying to get familiar with Debian, I have a > Tosh 490xdt which I am > installing it on. Seems most stuff is coming up but > the network piece. I > have PCMCIA WiFi card in it (senao card which uses > the prisim chip > set) but it appears that a eth0 entry was not > created in the system. > > PCMCIA appears to come up if I do a lsmod I see all > of the modules in > there, the WiFi card even lights up a small pilot > LED when the PCMCIA > stuff starts running and beeps. > > But when I do a ifconfig, all I see is the 'lo' > entry, no eth0 or any other > assigment. > > Trying to figure out what I have not done correctly. > -- > Chuck Hast > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask > resulting in my going > out and having to identify your bits and pieces in > the midst of torn > and twisted metal." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 07:43:49 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QBhnEQ022303 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:43:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9QBhnJi022302 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:43:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QBhmEQ022298 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:43:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QBhmbL030625 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:43:48 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QBheHt012272 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:43:41 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so185068wri for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:43:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Cq2YhFHViJbQ28vf9WXhHvrNagIIqdGGxm2K3AIzDGN9YY/+cvNf7fRMyhSJ0InWZdIZ+Y9TFifyZM5pIARVkKlnuTQ6VB9R7XxspA4Fh1rONZ3+5hoZXK3LWXBW63Mu5co2xO4sybq9xMv8knOLx/Aq+m2sna3a7niGr8qFvf8= Received: by 10.38.151.24 with SMTP id y24mr264076rnd; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905704102604431342f5a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:43:37 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian on laptop In-Reply-To: <200410260404.i9Q441a7021304@rs16.luxsci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <620c905704102520191e4410ca@mail.gmail.com> <200410260404.i9Q441a7021304@rs16.luxsci.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:02:29 -0400, Eric Jahn wrote: > On Monday 25 October 2004 11:19 pm, you wrote: > > But when I do a ifconfig, all I see is the 'lo' entry, no eth0 or any other > > assigment. > > Please post the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file > > Also, could it be that your prism chipset-handling module isn't loading even > though pcmcia is? But I thought Prism 2 handling was built into the kernel. > Oh yeah, and please post your full lsmod and dmesg output. > I love these machines with no floppy drives. Let me see if I can get it to mount a CFcard and I will get copies of these. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 08:25:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QCP5EQ022593 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:25:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9QCP5gS022592 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:25:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QCP4EQ022588 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:25:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QCP4bL032597 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:25:04 -0400 Received: from starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net (starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.227]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QCOjHt022958 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:24:46 -0400 Received: from [69.154.34.159] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CMQNZ-0005LB-3P for slug@nks.net; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 05:24:45 -0700 Subject: [SLUG] Re: OT - CAD vendors advising customers to outsource -- outsourcing works, when limited From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410261116.i9QBGDB7017890@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200410261116.i9QBGDB7017890@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1098793484.2552.177.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:24:44 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79d9d25b01b77f6f987a33745ef31fbd0c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.34.159 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 07:14, Ken Elliott wrote: > >From upFront.eZine: > > CAD vendors are emphasizing outsourcing to their customers. > That's to sell more software, and especially to create a market > for collaboration software. > Last Friday, we listened as PTC executives boasted to financial analysts > that they are advising companies to replace $100K/yr American engineers > with $20K/yr Indian engineers. It occurred to us that maybe nearly all of > its employees -- and those of any other software company -- could get > outsourced enmasse to India, Russia, China, wherever -- software > programming, marketing and public relations, IT and tech support, > accounting, whatever. All an American software company needs in > the United States is a ceo and local resellers. > > I've always had a dislike for PTC for this kind of crap. > PTC makes a product known as Pro/Engineer or Pro/E. And you think PTC is the _only_ vendor doing it? Major software is already being developed overseas. Heck, India is "expensive" compared to Ireland and Israel, among others. What comes to bite companies in the @$$ is when they let _all_ of the code be developed overseas. That's a problem because the end-user software is _still_ used by Americans. Locale, business and other considerations are still a factor. Those are approaches, flows and other features that _must_ be "added" when the product comes back. I've written requirements documents for software being outsourced. You have to tell these guys _everything_ -- right down to the data format, interfaces, etc... They will cut corners if you don't, you have to put it in the design document. So, unfortunately from a business standpoint, there _is_still_ a "threshold of overhead cost" in doing this, as well as "fixing the code" when it comes back. So here's the golden key. American companies _do_ need a better approach outsourcing software development. It's not the "hand it off savings" like many companies want, and they _are_ learning the "hard way." One, project management is US based. You _can_ have a remote project manager, but you need someone who reports to US engineering resources. The US based portion defines requirements explicitly, and dictates what portions -- and I stress _portions_ -- of the code will be written by the outsourced partner. Strict function and parameters definitions, strict structure and data formats. In fact, it really helps to have support files and documents written _before_ you outsource. [ SIDE NOTE: Unfortunately, I've seen companies abuse their developers, sending an American developer to Indian for a projected 3 weeks only to end up 3 months. That's just cruel, unprofessional and wrong -- I don't blame American engineers for quitting, and I _do_ want to see some lawsuits ] Two, you still need an engineering staff in the US. This staff will be responsible for "cleaning up" the code when it comes back. This will vary from interface changes, various subsystems, etc... Ideally these should already be determined in the initial requirements documentation, and those portions given to the American staff. The idea here is to reduce the American staff to focusing on the more "consumer facing" aspects of the software, leaving the "meat" to the outsourcing partner. Which brings me to my final point. This approach, when implemented correctly, will result in a cost savings of around 50%. The idea that you can get a "direct savings" of 60-80% by using foreign software developers who work for only 20% (more Ireland/Israel) and 40% (more India) of what Americans software developers is a joke. They often have no concept of business and American locale. And in many cases, they are "hackers" who need a _lot_ of direction, because they do _not_ get the training in the software development cycle, quality assurance, etc... Such things _will_ come in time in their regions, just as their standard of living comes up, and American companies move yet again to "cheaper" markets. Sigh, the cycle continues. Lastly, customer support for American consumers and businesses should _never_ be outsourced. Companies are learning this the "hard way." The best way to lose a customer is to have them hear a foreign voice for support -- be it in America or _any_ other country. This is where Linux and other Freedomware shines, because it is developed globally, but refined and supported locally (Red Hat ~ US, Mandrake ~ France, SuSE ~ Germany, etc...) -- Bryan P.S. PTC is one of the major vendors putting Linux on the engineering desktop. It sells one of the leading CAM packages used in the mechanical and aerospace engineering fields. Main reason? It does 3D for simulation, modeling, packaging and component layout far better than that "popular civil engineering" application with add-ons that's really only designed for 2D (did we have that discussion on this list or another? ;-). Again, don't assume they are the only ones doing it. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 08:46:34 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QCkYEQ022743 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:46:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9QCkYap022742 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:46:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QCkXEQ022738 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:46:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QCkWbL000921 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:46:32 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QCkBHt027037 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:46:11 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i9QCkAxK022033 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:46:10 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i9QCk0xf021946; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:46:00 GMT Message-Id: <200410261246.i9QCk0xf021946@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:46:00 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kaddressbook problem Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:44:27 -0400 References: <200410252355.13470.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200410252355.13470.rnr@sanctum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1098794760-8316850.79753018 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.195, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 25 October 2004 11:55 pm, Bob Stia wrote: >Where, How, does one edit those lists ??? Not in the regular > kaddressbook that is for sure. There's a built-in utility for that you bring up in kaddressbook with Settings->Show Extension Bar->Distribution List Editor. I'm sure you will be dazzled with its many interface fineries. -- Eric J ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 09:00:23 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QD0NEQ022861 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:00:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9QD0Nm6022860 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:00:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QD0MEQ022856 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:00:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QCohbP001095 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:50:43 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QCo4Ht027762 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:50:05 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so192569wri for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 05:50:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ltxy++cnn/y4BUJtqS4ztf5qnutn5GJVgLNsA7iCsg+Sr6ttEB27xBmryWfKu2LcSIIafFx/LWz88SfHojtW2u3DX9b2mOyxMdSuVcnQh0MXYkAQ+bucnttVXfivvd8q9mCHLDXv5fMIhumxziXRZcbqMirTL2bWmFwBsN0dyrA= Received: by 10.38.102.69 with SMTP id z69mr286734rnb; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 05:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 05:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c9057041026055023c8e722@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 05:50:04 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian on laptop In-Reply-To: <20041026113807.10266.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <620c905704102520191e4410ca@mail.gmail.com> <20041026113807.10266.qmail@web52608.mail.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:38:07 -0700 (PDT), Mark Banschbach wrote: > Hi CHuck , et al , > > Just as an aside, IF you like Debian or are curious > about it, then another solution for those who are > Linux techie sorts, would be a distro called Damn > Small Linux. > > I have a 486-33 that I have Debian "Woody" installed > on. Its an older machine obviously and it had no CD > rom. After an entire afternoon, 30 or so FLoppies and > > Alot of "Iron Chef" I got it installed and the thing > runs like a top. I fell in love Debian after that. > That being said.. Damn Small Linux is a Knoppix/Debian > Derivative and Its a great toy. It fits on a 50 Meg > Live CD and installs in 300 Megs on the HD. > > It is possible that you may be able to pick up your > wireless card with that and have your Debian too ! > > Just a thought.. Mark, I am using a Toshiba 490XCDT. What I am trying to do is set it up so I can work with the AX25 stuff without impacting my SuSE system which I was working on. The problem with the other system is there is something in the AX25 stuff that causes lockups, and I also wanted a separate machine so I could set it up as a network device and leave it for a few days as a test/demo machine. Debian has all of the ax25 stuff and keeps it pretty up to date. In the end I want to learn how to build a very simple CD/floppy install that will allow for the replacement of the old state wide DOS packet switches with LINUX based switches, since many who admin those things do not know much about Linux my target is as simple a install as possible, hopefully to get to the point where it ask questions about that piece of the network and when answered leaves a linux switch in place. I will check out damn small linux. I see a lot of firewalls/routers and other small systems are based on Debian, indeed that was another reason for going that direction. I think that the fact that you build the system up makes things a lot clearer in terms of what is going on. For a quick desktop install the packaged products are very good, but when you are learnng to build specialized devices, it appears that Debian is the way to go. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 10:22:14 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QEMEEQ023429 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:22:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9QEMEff023428 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:22:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QEMDEQ023424 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:22:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QEMDbL005989 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:22:13 -0400 Received: from pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.252]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QELu26004306 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:21:56 -0400 Received: from user-12hclcd.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.85.141] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CMSCx-0003k6-00 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:21:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLUG] kaddressbook problem From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410252355.13470.rnr@sanctum.com> References: <200410252355.13470.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1098800459.20613.8.camel@POET.village-smurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:21:00 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.249, required 6, AWL 1.95, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net When I come across questions like this, I usually go to #kde on irc. The guys on that channel are pretty nice. Sorry this is only a pointer to hopefully getting the information, but it's the best I can do. :-) Russell On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 23:55, Bob Stia wrote: > OK Sluggers, > > Somebody has to know how to do this. > > Have tried everything I can think of, even to editing a file by hand but I > cannot find it. > > When one pulls down the menu for "to" when sending a mail in kmail, you can > choose from several categories. User created distribution lists, and recent > contacts. Where, How, does one edit those lists ??? Not in the regular > kaddressbook that is for sure. > > Bob S. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 10:24:33 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QEOXEQ023445 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:24:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9QEOXjI023444 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:24:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QEOWEQ023440 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:24:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QEOWbN006096 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:24:32 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QEODHt021763 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:24:13 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i9QEOCnS008611 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:24:12 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i9QEO1CR008474; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:24:01 GMT Message-Id: <200410261424.i9QEO1CR008474@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:24:01 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Reminder: Sarasota Social LUG Meeting Tuesday Night 10/26 6:30PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:22:57 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1098800641-7767288.69349202 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.195, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Last reminder: our next meeting will be held at the Old Munich in Bradenton. I'll be there at 6:30 with a friend and also Sonia who doesn't care about linux but loves German beer. I look forward to seeing you all there! Old Munich (North of Computer Buyer's Whorehouse, same side of the street) 6515 14th St. West (US 41) (corner of 66th Ave West) Bradenton , FL 34207 Cuisine: German , Bavarian , Brew Pub http://www.restaurants.com/US/DetailPage.asp?RefNo=9417533255& -- Eric J ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 10:35:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QEZ5EQ023546 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:35:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9QEZ5no023545 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:35:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QEZ4EQ023541 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:35:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QEZ4bL006658 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:35:04 -0400 Received: from smtp106.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp106.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.169.226]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i9QEYnHt024735 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:34:49 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (calebsr2k@24.170.132.114 with plain) by smtp106.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 14:34:48 -0000 Message-ID: <417E609A.9060900@acm.org> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:35:06 -0400 From: Caleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Dual Boot into Three boot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.555, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I currently have Xandros 2.5 dual booting with XP. My question pertains to installing Fedora 2. I believe that Lilo is the boot loader. Is there anything special that I need to do? I have already set up some spare room on my drive. I have not however partitioned anything for Fedora. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 11:15:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QFFHEQ023824 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:15:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9QFFHTo023823 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:15:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QFFHEQ023819 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:15:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QFFGbL008601 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:15:16 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QFEeHt003040 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:14:40 -0400 Received: from laptop (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9QFEXT4024837 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:14:34 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dual Boot into Three boot References: <417E609A.9060900@acm.org> Message-ID: From: Eben King Organization: Chronological Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:14:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: <417E609A.9060900@acm.org> User-Agent: Opera7.20/Win32 M2 build 3087 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:35:06 -0400, Caleb wrote: > I currently have Xandros 2.5 dual booting with XP. My question pertains > to installing Fedora 2. I believe that Lilo is the boot loader. Is > there anything special that I need to do? I have already set up some > spare room on my drive. I have not however partitioned anything for > Fedora. No, nothing special. You can have two lilo.confs, but synchronization is a nightmare. Decide where you're going to have it, mount the other /boot, add the third OS's kernel to lilo.conf, "lilo -v" (so you can see what it's doing). There might be some way to install a second lilo inside of Fedora's partition and daisy-chain to that, but I've never done that and it sounds like more pain than it's worth. I hope this mail client wraps its lines... -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar PISCES: Try to avoid any Virgos or Leos with the Ebola virus. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 11:30:20 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QFUKEQ023959 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:30:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9QFUKtx023958 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:30:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QFUKEQ023954 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:30:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QFUJbL009400 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:30:19 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QFTt26017163 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:29:55 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C0CFF930 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:29:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] wrong link - www.sysresccd.org/ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:49:12 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410261049.16730.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.785, required 6, AWL 2.12, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Last night @ the SP-SLUG, I gave out the wrong link to http://www.sysresccd.org/ This is a very slick "techno commando" tool to add to your arsenal, and it supposedly works well with ntfsresize. The latter is useful in case your target has a fully NTFS-infected hard disk and you need space for a Linux/whatever partition. /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 12:21:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QGLZEQ024287 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:21:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9QGLZ1Z024286 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:21:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QGLZEQ024282 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:21:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QGLYbN011729 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:21:34 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QGLL26026619 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:21:21 -0400 Received: from [69.154.34.159] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CMU4X-0005uA-2I for slug@nks.net; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:21:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dual Boot into Three boot From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <417E609A.9060900@acm.org> References: <417E609A.9060900@acm.org> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1098807680.2552.234.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:21:20 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79a3a452bae73d958a0b72617c32cb8419350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.34.159 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.871, required 6, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 10:35, Caleb wrote: > I currently have Xandros 2.5 dual booting with XP. My question pertains > to installing Fedora 2. I believe that Lilo is the boot loader. Is > there anything special that I need to do? I have already set up some > spare room on my drive. I have not however partitioned anything for Fedora. > Any help would be appreciated. First off, dual-booting multiple NT or Linux versions takes careful planning. I like to use a 3rd party boot manager, although you typically want to reserve space. There is also an additional issue with kernel 2.6/GRUB disk translation (distro such as RHCL4.0 aka FC2, Mandrake Linux 10, SuSE Linux 9, etc...) when dual-booting with NT4SP4 or later. It's limited to systems with non-Extended Int13h BIOSes, but it is still an issue to watch out for. Make sure you have a backup of your partition table and a kernel 2.4 bootable CD. I'd use removable drives. I have never lost data due to partition table snafus, but that is based on literally 10 years of dealing with NT3.1+ and its overall cockiness. Until Linux installers fully support LDM (aka "Dynamic Disks"), which have a known record that states the _exact_ disk geometry being used by NT5+, it is still "chance" Linux will "misguess" the geometry assumed by NT5+. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 13:46:42 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QHkgEQ024872 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:46:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9QHkg02024871 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:46:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QHkfEQ024867 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:46:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QHkebL015712 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:46:41 -0400 Received: from vincent (bish.net [209.241.232.100]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QHkX26008963 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:46:33 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by vincent with esmtp (Cipher TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CMVOx-0002lG-00 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:46:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:46:31 -0400 (EDT) From: mark@bish.net X-X-Sender: mark@vincent To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] DNS problem + dial on demand Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.819, required 6, AWL 0.92, BAYES_00 -4.90, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm using Bind 8.4.XX and everytime I start up named it goes out and brings up the network connection due to it 'priming the cache'. Anyway for it just to accept what Ihave in the hints file and not do the initial query? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 14:06:23 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QI6NEQ025010 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:06:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9QI6Njt025009 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:06:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QI6MEQ025005 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:06:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QI6LbN016630 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:06:22 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QI6D26013159 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:06:17 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CMVi0-0004Ed-Bb for slug@nks.net; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:06:12 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dual Boot into Three boot Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:06:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <417E609A.9060900@acm.org> <1098807680.2552.234.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> In-Reply-To: <1098807680.2552.234.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410261406.08184.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.739, required 6, AWL 1.46, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 26 October 2004 12:21 pm, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 10:35, Caleb wrote: > > I currently have Xandros 2.5 dual booting with XP. My question pertains > > to installing Fedora 2. I believe that Lilo is the boot loader. Is > > there anything special that I need to do? I have already set up some > > spare room on my drive. I have not however partitioned anything for > > Fedora. Any help would be appreciated. The one thing about windows is that it wants to be the first OS on the drive. So I always make a win partition first. This is what a lilo.conf file will look like with two windows boot options. Windows is on the first partition on both drives: boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map default="linux-i686-up-4GB" keytable=/boot/us.klt prompt nowarn timeout=100 message=/boot/message menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw image=/boot/vmlinuz-i686-up-4GB label="linux-i686-up-4GB" root=/dev/hda12 initrd=/boot/initrd-i686-up-4GB.img append="devfs=mount mem=1024M acpi=ht resume=/dev/hda3 splash=silent" read-only other=/dev/hdb1 label="Win on hdb" table=/dev/hdb map-drive=0x80 to=0x81 map-drive=0x81 to=0x80 other=/dev/hda1 label="Win on hda" table=/dev/hda -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 14:48:16 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QImGEQ025306 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:48:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9QImGi7025305 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:48:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QImFEQ025301 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:48:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QImFbN018549 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:48:15 -0400 Received: from vincent (bish.net [209.241.232.100]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QIm326019848 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:48:03 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by vincent with esmtp (Cipher TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CMWMH-0000ZV-00 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:47:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:47:49 -0400 (EDT) From: mark@bish.net X-X-Sender: mark@vincent To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DNS problem + dial on demand In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.126, required 6, AWL 0.61, BAYES_00 -4.90, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey, idiot - use Bind 9. That fixes your problem. On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 mark@bish.net wrote: > > I'm using Bind 8.4.XX and everytime I start up named it goes out and brings > up the network connection due to it 'priming the cache'. Anyway for it just > to accept what Ihave in the hints file and not do the initial query? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 16:55:57 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QKtvEQ026163 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:55:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9QKtvJK026162 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:55:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9QKtuEQ026158 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:55:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QKttbL024607 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:55:56 -0400 Received: from vincent (bish.net [209.241.232.100]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9QKtp26010541 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:55:51 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by vincent with esmtp (Cipher TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CMYM5-0006jT-00 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:55:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:55:45 -0400 (EDT) From: mark@bish.net X-X-Sender: mark@vincent To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] Reminder: Sarasota Social LUG Meeting Tuesday Night 10/26 6:30PM In-Reply-To: <200410261424.i9QEO1CR008474@rs16.luxsci.com> Message-ID: References: <200410261424.i9QEO1CR008474@rs16.luxsci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.28, required 6, AWL 0.46, BAYES_00 -4.90, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I was planning on being there but 6:30 is late for me since I have another hour drive home. Have fun guys. On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Eric Jahn wrote: > Last reminder: our next meeting will be held at the Old Munich in Bradenton. > I'll be there at 6:30 with a friend and also Sonia who doesn't care about > linux but loves German beer. I look forward to seeing you all there! > > Old Munich (North of Computer Buyer's Whorehouse, same side of the street) > 6515 14th St. West (US 41) (corner of 66th Ave West) > Bradenton , FL 34207 > Cuisine: German , Bavarian , Brew Pub > http://www.restaurants.com/US/DetailPage.asp?RefNo=9417533255& > > -- > Eric J > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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(calebsr2k@24.170.132.114 with plain) by smtp111.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2004 23:37:21 -0000 Message-ID: <417EDFC3.5040909@acm.org> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:37:39 -0400 From: Caleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dual Boot into Three boot References: <417E609A.9060900@acm.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.555, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:35:06 -0400, Caleb wrote: > >> I currently have Xandros 2.5 dual booting with XP. My question >> pertains to installing Fedora 2. I believe that Lilo is the boot >> loader. Is there anything special that I need to do? I have already >> set up some spare room on my drive. I have not however partitioned >> anything for Fedora. > > > No, nothing special. You can have two lilo.confs, but synchronization > is a nightmare. Decide where you're going to have it, mount the other > /boot, add the third OS's kernel to lilo.conf, "lilo -v" (so you can > see what it's doing). There might be some way to install a second > lilo inside of Fedora's partition and daisy-chain to that, but I've > never done that and it sounds like more pain than it's worth. > > I hope this mail client wraps its lines... > Okay maybe I did not make clear. I am currently running both Xandros Business 2.5 Linux and XP on a laptop. I have partitioned the drive for another distro of linux (Fedora 2). My problem is that last time I tried to triple boot I was only able to see Fedora and XP. My ultimate choice is to have : Fedora 2 Xandros 2.5 XP In that order. I believe that xandros installs Lilo. I also read that Fedora defaults to Grub, but can use Lilo also. My question is how to do this? I will be more than glad to email my lilo conf file and any other data required. I would really appreciate any assistance in this matter. Thank you ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 20:30:46 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9R0UkEQ027656 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:30:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9R0Uk8x027655 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:30:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9R0UjEQ027651 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:30:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9R0Ugbl002129 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:30:45 -0400 Received: from hank.linuxwidows.net (ifitl-61-140-37.asm.bellsouth.net [208.61.140.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9R0Tv26017613 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:30:02 -0400 Received: from dhcp-102.1.168.192.linuxwidows.net (brian@dhcp-102.1.168.192.linuxwidows.net [192.168.1.102]) by hank.linuxwidows.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i9R0Tu310658 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:29:56 -0400 From: Brian Coyle Organization: CHAOS -- That's a level of organization, isn't it? To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dual Boot into Three boot Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:29:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <417E609A.9060900@acm.org> <417EDFC3.5040909@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <417EDFC3.5040909@acm.org> X-Reply-Content-Type: No HTML Mail, please! Send plain text. X-GPG-Fingerprint: AE1C 123A 1153 8A63 E8A9 FAEA 111D CCB8 7527 701B X-Message-flag: This has been a test of the M$ Outlook virus system... Had this been an actual virus, you'd have been... Well, toast. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Description: clearsigned data Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410262029.55704.brian@linuxwidows.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.903, required 6, AWL 2.00, BAYES_00 -4.90, UPPERCASE_25_50 0.00) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9R0UkEQ027652 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 26 October 2004 19:37, Caleb wrote: [snip details on triple OS partitioning] > My question is how to do this? Check out my multi-distro 'Ultra-tiny-HOWTO'- http://www.linuxwidows.com/mirror/bucket/ultra-tiny-HOWTOs/multi-distro.HOWTO It's quite dated, but should give you some pointers (and gotchas to watch for). HTH! - -- "Open source software - with no walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Brian Coyle, GCIA http://www.giac.org/GCIA.php iD8DBQFBfuwDER3MuHUncBsRAlH3AJ9xb41Jjl7bo0E4hWXbehS1IIWGzgCeJtYk hno8rts6AjlgOunmrovlOQE= =p/zF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 20:41:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9R0fhEQ027743 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:41:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9R0fh0F027742 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:41:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9R0fgEQ027738 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:41:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9R0febb002622 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:41:42 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9R0eaHt019115 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:40:37 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so297479wri for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:40:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=RRGaquua19KrEv3k57RQSNXLB9iMoM1udscGhQkIGZLH7PRY/6S5GnbGHuuRcuDdGFbS4ZVDV7j74ngpL6yIq9Quz0q38Ddtvd8WkRfO0NhTAwHKVsNywhbLfOijPyQU9/do4XpGCSpj/HSqgYyDn9Feu6a7fZEPf5Sl8mxDtnY= Received: by 10.38.13.79 with SMTP id 79mr583321rnm; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.22.41 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:40:35 -0400 From: John Pedersen To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dual Boot into Three boot In-Reply-To: <417EDFC3.5040909@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <417E609A.9060900@acm.org> <417EDFC3.5040909@acm.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:37:39 -0400, Caleb wrote: > Eben King wrote: > > > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:35:06 -0400, Caleb wrote: > > > >> I currently have Xandros 2.5 dual booting with XP. My question > >> pertains to installing Fedora 2. I believe that Lilo is the boot > >> loader. Is there anything special that I need to do? I have already > >> set up some spare room on my drive. I have not however partitioned > >> anything for Fedora. > > > > > > No, nothing special. You can have two lilo.confs, but synchronization > > is a nightmare. Decide where you're going to have it, mount the other > > /boot, add the third OS's kernel to lilo.conf, "lilo -v" (so you can > > see what it's doing). There might be some way to install a second > > lilo inside of Fedora's partition and daisy-chain to that, but I've > > never done that and it sounds like more pain than it's worth. > > > > I hope this mail client wraps its lines... > > > Okay maybe I did not make clear. I am currently running both Xandros > Business 2.5 Linux and XP on a laptop. I have partitioned the drive for > another distro of linux (Fedora 2). My problem is that last time I > tried to triple boot I was only able to see Fedora and XP. My ultimate > choice is to have : > > Fedora 2 > Xandros 2.5 > XP > > In that order. I believe that xandros installs Lilo. I also read that > Fedora defaults to Grub, but can use Lilo also. > > My question is how to do this? I will be more than glad to email my lilo > conf file and any other data required. > One approach is to let each Linux OS install Lilo into the boot record of its own partition, instead of into the MBR. Then use GAG to do the initial boot. See: http://gag.sourceforge.net/ It's pretty handy to have a CD with GAG in your arsenal anyway. John ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 26 20:50:16 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9R0oGEQ027819 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:50:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9R0oGBB027818 for slug-track29; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:50:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9R0oFEQ027814 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:50:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9R0oCbR003029 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:50:12 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9R0nM26020985 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:49:22 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CMc0B-0004gn-6G for slug@nks.net; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:49:23 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dual Boot into Three boot Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:49:18 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <417E609A.9060900@acm.org> <417EDFC3.5040909@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <417EDFC3.5040909@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410262049.18580.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.822, required 6, AWL 1.38, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 26 October 2004 07:37 pm, Caleb wrote: > Eben King wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:35:06 -0400, Caleb wrote: > >> I currently have Xandros 2.5 dual booting with XP. My question > >> pertains to installing Fedora 2. I believe that Lilo is the boot > >> loader. Is there anything special that I need to do? I have already > >> set up some spare room on my drive. I have not however partitioned > >> anything for Fedora. > > > > No, nothing special. You can have two lilo.confs, but synchronization > > is a nightmare. Decide where you're going to have it, mount the other > > /boot, add the third OS's kernel to lilo.conf, "lilo -v" (so you can > > see what it's doing). There might be some way to install a second > > lilo inside of Fedora's partition and daisy-chain to that, but I've > > never done that and it sounds like more pain than it's worth. > > > > I hope this mail client wraps its lines... > > Okay maybe I did not make clear. I am currently running both Xandros > Business 2.5 Linux and XP on a laptop. I have partitioned the drive for > another distro of linux (Fedora 2). My problem is that last time I > tried to triple boot I was only able to see Fedora and XP. My ultimate > choice is to have : > > Fedora 2 > Xandros 2.5 > XP > > In that order. I believe that xandros installs Lilo. I also read that > Fedora defaults to Grub, but can use Lilo also. > > My question is how to do this? I will be more than glad to email my lilo > conf file and any other data required. > > I would really appreciate any assistance in this matter. No problem. I've had 12 OS's installed in the same computer. (Windows, Linux, BSDs and Solaris versions.) Makes for a lot of partitions. : ) This is pretty straight fwd. I use seperate dirs for all, but only one of the linux installs will control the boot manager. The trick is to know what is needed to boot each. I.e. where to point to. All you have to do is make a note of what the kernel is called and so on. All you need to do is install XP on it's partition. Next Linux #1 in its dirs. Make a note of what boot managers .conf looks like. Install #2, make it install a new BM. Make a not of it's conf. Finally install the third and when done add the entries from the earlier configs. Reboot with the addition of the other linux's and you should be able to access them all. The swap can be shared. I prefer grub over lilo as it's more flexible. Like being able to modify the boot script on the fly. The same sequence applies to grub as lilo. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 27 00:49:14 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9R4nEEQ029484 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:49:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9R4nEWC029483 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:49:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9R4nDEQ029479 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:49:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9R4nCbL014010 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:49:13 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9R4mB26031363 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:48:11 -0400 Received: from pool-15.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.195] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.03m/96) id 9W97400 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:47:37 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kaddressbook problem Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:31:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200410252355.13470.rnr@sanctum.com> <200410261246.i9QCk0xf021946@rs16.luxsci.com> In-Reply-To: <200410261246.i9QCk0xf021946@rs16.luxsci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410262231.31804.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.349, required 6, AWL 1.55, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 26 October 2004 08:44, Eric Jahn wrote: >On Monday 25 October 2004 11:55 pm, Bob Stia wrote: >>Where, How, does one edit those lists ??? Not in the regular >> kaddressbook that is for sure. > >There's a built-in utility for that you bring up in kaddressbook with >Settings->Show Extension Bar->Distribution List Editor. I'm sure you will be >dazzled with its many interface fineries. Ah, dazzled I am. kind of an obscure place to put such a thing. But, I guess that is why we have the Sluggers !! Now, how to get rid of those "recent addresses". No big problem just annoying to me that I can't deal with them. Thanks Eric Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 27 02:36:41 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9R6afEQ030233 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:36:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9R6afre030232 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:36:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9R6aeEQ030228 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:36:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9R6adbL018927 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:36:40 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9R6aP26016206 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:36:29 -0400 Received: from laptop (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9R6aNT4012625 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:36:23 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dual Boot into Three boot References: <417E609A.9060900@acm.org> <417EDFC3.5040909@acm.org> <200410262049.18580.steve@szmidt.org> Message-ID: From: Eben King Organization: Chronological Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:36:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <200410262049.18580.steve@szmidt.org> User-Agent: Opera7.20/Win32 M2 build 3087 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.844, required 6, AWL 1.06, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:49:18 -0400, steve szmidt wrote: > On Tuesday 26 October 2004 07:37 pm, Caleb wrote: >> I am currently running both Xandros >> Business 2.5 Linux and XP on a laptop. I have partitioned the drive for >> another distro of linux (Fedora 2). My problem is that last time I >> tried to triple boot I was only able to see Fedora and XP. My ultimate >> choice is to have : >> >> Fedora 2 >> Xandros 2.5 >> XP >> >> In that order. I believe that xandros installs Lilo. I also read that >> Fedora defaults to Grub, but can use Lilo also. If the Fedora installer asks you, tell it to install _no_ bootloader, otherwise you'll have two config files (one in Fedora and one in Xandros), and the one in Xandros will know of it and XP and so will the one in Fedora. >> My question is how to do this? Once you install Fedora, mount its "/" (or "/boot" if it has one), read-only if you like, duplicate an existing section in /etc/lilo.conf so it looks something like this: default=xandros image=/boot/vmlinuz-whatever-you-have-for-xandros label=Xandros initrd=/boot/initrd-ditto.img read-only root=/dev/wherever-xandros-is image=/mnt/temp/boot/vmlinuz-whatever-you-have-for-fedora label=fedora initrd=/mnt/temp/boot/initrd-ditto.img read-only root=/dev/wherever-fedora-is other=/dev/wherever-windows-is label=Win_XP There may be another way, where you tell the Fedora installer that you DO want a bootloader, but installed in the partition, not the hard drive's master boot record, and it shouldn't be dual-boot, but I've never done that. > The swap can be shared. Data for "suspend to disk" (or whatever it's called) is written by default to a partition (swap is usually chosen, unless you like overwriting your filesystems). If you plan on using that, you need separate swaps, unless you know a way around it. > I prefer grub over lilo as it's more flexible. Like being able to modify > the > boot script on the fly. So I've heard. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar PISCES: Try to avoid any Virgos or Leos with the Ebola virus. You are the Lord of the Dance, no matter what those idiots at work say. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 27 03:45:59 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9R7jxEQ030714 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:45:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9R7jxq2030713 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:45:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9R7jwEQ030709 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:45:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9R7jrbV021947 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:45:58 -0400 Received: from relay01.pair.com (relay01.pair.com [209.68.5.15]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i9R7j9Ht023466 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:45:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 64990 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2004 07:45:00 -0000 Received: from rrcs-24-227-40-26.se.biz.rr.com (HELO Stan) (24.227.40.26) by relay01.pair.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 07:45:00 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 24.227.40.26 Message-ID: <003901c4bbf8$e2efdaf0$6401a8c0@Stan> From: "James Miller" To: References: <000501c4bab2$071afa10$a00aa8c0@GOKU> Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:45:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > After the dinning, there was accusations to James that he is actually > an FBI mole planted to investigate the goings on of technocrati in the > Tampa area. James neither affirmed nor denied this. > I deny that compleatly. Working for them would thwart my plans for world domination. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 27 07:40:04 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9RBe4EQ032542 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:40:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9RBe4fM032541 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:40:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9RBe3EQ032537 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:40:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9RBe1bL031630 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:40:02 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9RBdi26031451 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:39:45 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i9RBdiQw016932 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:39:44 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i9RBc1jI016502; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:38:01 GMT Message-Id: <200410271138.i9RBc1jI016502@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:38:01 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kaddressbook problem Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:36:25 -0400 References: <200410252355.13470.rnr@sanctum.com> <200410261246.i9QCk0xf021946@rs16.luxsci.com> <200410262231.31804.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200410262231.31804.rnr@sanctum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1098877081-4707658.8965114 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.054, required 6, AWL 0.14, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 26 October 2004 10:31 pm, Bob Stia wrote: > Now, how to get rid of those "recent addresses". No big problem just > annoying to me that I can't deal with them. The KDE-PIM list would be happy to address this question. I've had dood luck with it myself (mostly for KPilot which is also part of this KDE-PIM group's domain) http://www.kdepim.org/ -- Eric J ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 27 12:16:04 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9RGG4EQ001900 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:16:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9RGG4Br001899 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:16:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9RGG3EQ001895 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:16:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9RGG3bL011194 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:16:03 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9RGFq26011590 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:15:52 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i9RGFmTf001200 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:15:48 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i9RGE0FC032765; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:14:00 GMT Message-Id: <200410271614.i9RGE0FC032765@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:14:00 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Exchange Connector for Evolution Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:13:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1098893640-9844845.35288879 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.065, required 6, AWL 0.13, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I haven't used this connector for about 2.5 years, and back then it had limited functionality, especially with regards to calendaring, etc.. Does anybody use this connector in an actual office environment and how is it working? Thanks! -- Eric J ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 27 13:51:31 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9RHpVEQ002582 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:51:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9RHpV3L002581 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:51:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9RHpUEQ002577 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:51:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9RHpTbP015444 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:51:30 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9RHp7Ht000031 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:51:08 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CMrws-0002y6-MS for slug@nks.net; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:51:03 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dual Boot into Three boot Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:50:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <417E609A.9060900@acm.org> <200410262049.18580.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410271350.59073.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 27 October 2004 02:36 am, Eben King wrote: > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:49:18 -0400, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Tuesday 26 October 2004 07:37 pm, Caleb wrote: > >> I am currently running both Xandros > >> Business 2.5 Linux and XP on a laptop. I have partitioned the drive for > >> another distro of linux (Fedora 2). My problem is that last time I > >> tried to triple boot I was only able to see Fedora and XP. My ultimate > >> choice is to have : > >> > >> Fedora 2 > >> Xandros 2.5 > >> XP > >> > >> In that order. I believe that xandros installs Lilo. I also read that > >> Fedora defaults to Grub, but can use Lilo also. > > If the Fedora installer asks you, tell it to install _no_ bootloader, > otherwise you'll have two config files (one in Fedora and one in Xandros), > and the one in Xandros will know of it and XP and so will the one in > Fedora. I don't agree with this. Because having it can help you later when you want to look up something. You will only have one bootloader in the bootsector anyway so nothing bad comes out of it. Again I recommend you stick with grub. Which would require you to install Fedora last. > >> My question is how to do this? > > Once you install Fedora, mount its "/" (or "/boot" if it has one), > read-only if you like, duplicate an existing section in /etc/lilo.conf so > it looks something like this: > > default=xandros > > image=/boot/vmlinuz-whatever-you-have-for-xandros > label=Xandros > initrd=/boot/initrd-ditto.img > read-only > root=/dev/wherever-xandros-is > > image=/mnt/temp/boot/vmlinuz-whatever-you-have-for-fedora > label=fedora > initrd=/mnt/temp/boot/initrd-ditto.img > read-only > root=/dev/wherever-fedora-is > > other=/dev/wherever-windows-is > label=Win_XP > > There may be another way, where you tell the Fedora installer that you DO > want a bootloader, but installed in the partition, not the hard drive's > master boot record, and it shouldn't be dual-boot, but I've never done > that. > > > The swap can be shared. > > Data for "suspend to disk" (or whatever it's called) is written by default > to a partition (swap is usually chosen, unless you like overwriting your > filesystems). If you plan on using that, you need separate swaps, unless > you know a way around it. > > > I prefer grub over lilo as it's more flexible. Like being able to modify > > the > > boot script on the fly. > > So I've heard. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 27 18:34:58 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9RMYwEQ004475 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:34:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9RMYwst004474 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:34:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9RMYvEQ004470 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:34:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9RMYvbN028225 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:34:57 -0400 Received: from audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net (audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.253]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9RMYk26011643 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:34:47 -0400 Received: from [24.144.85.166] (helo=mail.dkoobs.com) by audiogram.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CMwNS-0007CB-U4 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:34:47 -0700 Received: from www.dkoobs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dkoobs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F0C370C992 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.144.85.166 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dkoobs) by www.dkoobs.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1924.24.144.85.166.1098916626.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] Ubuntu low memory mode install From: "Doug Koobs" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.831, required 5, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83) X-MailScanner-From: dkoobs@dkoobs.com X-ELNK-Trace: 864b91cd9a0bd51694f5150ab1c16ac08f4233f47979de261be1cbafecbccb046812d82201a104a5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.85.166 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.688, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9RMYwEQ004471 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm trying to install Ubuntu on an old laptop with only 32 MB memory. While the installer is loading with the message "Loading components of the Ubuntu installer", I keep getting a low memory message, that says: Entering low memory mode: This system has relatively little free memory, so it will install in low memory mode. Among other things, this means that the installation will proceed in English. You should set up swap space as soon as possible. I press enter to continue, it start over trying to load components, then the low memory message comes back. I'm stuck in this loop. Can I somehow set up swap space before loading the installer? Or is there another way to install Ubuntu on a low memory system? Thanks!! Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 27 19:05:48 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9RN5mEQ004688 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:05:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9RN5m3f004687 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:05:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9RN5lEQ004683 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:05:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9RN5hbP029586 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:05:47 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com ([66.252.134.3]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9RN4pHt013500 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:05:09 -0400 Received: from pcp03955260pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.56.208] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CMwqT-0006Pl-VR for slug@nks.net; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:04:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu low memory mode install From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1924.24.144.85.166.1098916626.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> References: <1924.24.144.85.166.1098916626.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ge+C5uH2X8FU27MOSXu+" Organization: I.T. Are Belonging To Us Message-Id: <1098918270.6175.1.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:04:30 -0400 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.101, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_FREE 0.10, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-ge+C5uH2X8FU27MOSXu+ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 18:37, Doug Koobs wrote: > I'm trying to install Ubuntu on an old laptop with only 32 MB memory. Not trying to be surly, but have you tried: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/freesupport The Logan --=20 19:00:01 up 30 days, 20:13, 6 users, load average: 0.56, 0.96, 1.01 It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this= whenever it's told. -- Buffalo Bill ICQ: 72101412 AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Jabber: logantheclever Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-ge+C5uH2X8FU27MOSXu+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBgCl+3OecGqSbkyMRAtO1AKDI2XQzfpARnr3s+M137nrNPmcmqgCfZH6X 14nlPPsT/dqOgegneSySDHg= =uo4p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ge+C5uH2X8FU27MOSXu+-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 27 19:31:08 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9RNV7EQ004886 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:31:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9RNV7vO004885 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:31:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9RNV7EQ004881 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:31:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9RNV5bb030611 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:31:06 -0400 Received: from asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9RNU0Ht019133 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:30:07 -0400 Received: from [24.144.85.166] (helo=mail.dkoobs.com) by asmtp-a063f29.pas.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CMxEu-000856-ID for slug@nks.net; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:30:00 -0700 Received: from www.dkoobs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dkoobs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 05ED470C955 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.144.85.166 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dkoobs) by www.dkoobs.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2035.24.144.85.166.1098919943.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> In-Reply-To: <1098918270.6175.1.camel@sirus> References: <1924.24.144.85.166.1098916626.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> <1098918270.6175.1.camel@sirus> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu low memory mode install From: "Doug Koobs" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.831, required 5, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83) X-MailScanner-From: dkoobs@dkoobs.com X-ELNK-Trace: 864b91cd9a0bd51694f5150ab1c16ac08f4233f47979de26ff7dfe0fda9c243cb8aa37df7b764d7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.85.166 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.588, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_FREE 0.10, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9RNV7EQ004882 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Logan Tygart said: > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 18:37, Doug Koobs wrote: >> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on an old laptop with only 32 MB memory. > > > Not trying to be surly, but have you tried: > http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/freesupport I posted to the Unofficial forum, no response yet... I have found that I can boot to a shell from the Ubuntu CD, but it's very limited. If I can use it to partition the HD and mount a swap partition, I think I'll be good to go... Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 27 19:32:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9RNWaEQ004903 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:32:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9RNWaWt004902 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:32:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9RNWZEQ004898 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:32:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9RNWZbN030722 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:32:35 -0400 Received: from server78.totalchoicehosting.com (300754.servernode.net [209.152.182.112]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9RNWLHt019942 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:32:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200410272332.i9RNWLHt019942@nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net> Received: from 2416460hfc41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.164.60.41] helo=pavilion) by server78.totalchoicehosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CMxHA-0006iu-CR for slug@nks.net; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:32:20 -0400 From: To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Ubuntu low memory mode install Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:32:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <1924.24.144.85.166.1098916626.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcS8dvZx78cyouBdQa29tUJD80zwzgABiTog X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server78.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sanctuaryweb.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.336, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Find on the Internet a product called BootIt NG; you can use this to set up the partitions on your HD before installing your Linux version. Did I also mention it does LOSSLESS NTFS resizing? SWB > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Koobs [mailto:dkoobs@dkoobs.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:37 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] Ubuntu low memory mode install > > I'm trying to install Ubuntu on an old laptop with only 32 MB memory. > While the installer is loading with the message "Loading components of the > Ubuntu installer", I keep getting a low memory message, that says: > > Entering low memory mode: This system has relatively little free memory, > so it will install in low memory mode. Among other things, this means that > the installation will proceed in English. You should set up swap space as > soon as possible. > > I press enter to continue, it start over trying to load components, then > the low memory message comes back. I'm stuck in this loop. Can I somehow > set up swap space before loading the installer? Or is there another way to > install Ubuntu on a low memory system? > > Thanks!! > > Doug > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 27 20:46:11 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9S0kBEQ005413 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:46:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9S0kBFV005412 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:46:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9S0kAEQ005408 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:46:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9S0k6bP001342 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:46:10 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9S0jt26032707 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:45:56 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i9S0jtuu019498 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:45:55 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i9S0i1sn019111; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:44:01 GMT Message-Id: <200410280044.i9S0i1sn019111@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:44:01 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Gnome can't start for normal, non-root users Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:43:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1098924241-6428994.86281249 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.074, required 6, AWL 0.12, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Also, when I go into KDE and open a terminal as a normal user, I get this strange output: ejahn@meteor:~$ gnome-control-center ** (gnome-control-center:13583): WARNING **: Couldnot find directory of control panels [preferences:///] How does one fix this? Is it a permissions thing? I think if I fix this, gnome will start as a normal user. I've even tried creating a new user and reinstalling gnome packages, but no luck. Thanks! -- Eric J ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 27 21:36:24 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9S1aOEQ005770 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:36:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9S1aOjg005769 for slug-track29; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:36:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9S1aNEQ005765 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:36:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9S1aJbL003514 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:36:23 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9S1a326008259 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:36:03 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so475769wri for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:36:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QMe7onPwt6pdaTSN0q3QNdRQKvK84q/TAM1/8pW1IaTs/igClhnMll4/6IPemDz0H967GFNLSS+0RGkKImAl7xgxnk7R7pC5K8KwqMtI82ZrgFxQpzSHjHlvV4VpYESJXeOv10Q3ns38wLQtGylJOQVahdza4/DtWSIcw6TsSpM= Received: by 10.38.149.71 with SMTP id w71mr1103738rnd; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905704102718367dde3f36@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:36:02 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian on laptop In-Reply-To: <200410260404.i9Q441a7021304@rs16.luxsci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_1228_1628897.1098927362468" References: <620c905704102520191e4410ca@mail.gmail.com> <200410260404.i9Q441a7021304@rs16.luxsci.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.306, required 6, AWL -0.01, BAYES_00 -4.90, NO_QS_ASKED 2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_1228_1628897.1098927362468 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:02:29 -0400, Eric Jahn wrote: > On Monday 25 October 2004 11:19 pm, you wrote: > > But when I do a ifconfig, all I see is the 'lo' entry, no eth0 or any other > > assigment. > > Please post the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file > > Also, could it be that your prism chipset-handling module isn't loading even > though pcmcia is? But I thought Prism 2 handling was built into the kernel. > Oh yeah, and please post your full lsmod and dmesg output. > Here they are, it does not look like they are getting called, I tried a eithernet card, it recognizes it but does not do anything beyond recognizing it. Here is the lsmod, dmesg and interfaces files. interfaces got truncated as I used a CF card to transfer the files, It DID recognize that just fine. And I was able to mount it no questions asked. By way I am doing everything from cmd line, this machine needs to be cmd line only as I am trying to set it up to handle radio protocols and want it to be as simple and low overhead as possible. Also need to get back away from the stinking GUI. ------=_Part_1228_1628897.1098927362468 Content-Type: text/plain; name="dmesg.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="dmesg.txt" Linux version 2.2.20 (herbert@gondolin) (gcc version 2.7.2.3) #1 Sat Apr 20= 11:45:28 EST 2002 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 0009f000 @ 00000000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 03ef0000 @ 00100000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 00010000 @ 03ff0000 (usable) Detected 266622 kHz processor. Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 532.48 BogoMIPS Memory: 62196k/65536k available (1756k kernel code, 412k reserved, 1020k da= ta, 152k init) Dentry hash table entries: 8192 (order 4, 64k) Buffer cache hash table entries: 65536 (order 6, 256k) Page cache hash table entries: 16384 (order 4, 64k) VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_6.4.0 initialized Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. 512K L2 cache (4 way) CPU: L2 Cache: 512K CPU: Intel Pentium II (Deschutes) stepping 00 Checking 386/387 coupling... OK, FPU using exception 16 error reporting. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. Checking for popad bug... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX mtrr: v1.35a (19990819) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au) PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfa2e4 PCI: Using configuration type 1 PCI: Probing PCI hardware Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 65536 bhash 65536) Starting kswapd v 1.5=20 Serial driver version 4.27 with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ enable= d ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq =3D 4) is a 16550A pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured Real Time Clock Driver v1.09 RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size loop: registered device at major 7 PIIX4: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 29 PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0xfe60-0xfe67, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0xfe68-0xfe6f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio hda: TOSHIBA MK4006MAV, ATA DISK drive hdc: TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-1602B, ATAPI CDROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 hda: TOSHIBA MK4006MAV, 3909MB w/0kB Cache, CHS=3D993/128/63 hdc: ATAPI 20X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.11 Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is an 8272A md driver 0.36.6 MAX_MD_DEV=3D4, MAX_REAL=3D8 scsi: Detection failed (no card) NCR53c406a: no available ports found sym53c416.c: Version 1.0.0 Failed initialization of WD-7000 SCSI card! IBM MCA SCSI: Version 3.2 IBM MCA SCSI: No Microchannel-bus present --> Aborting. This machine does not have any IBM MCA-bus or the MCA-Kernel-support is not enabled! megaraid: v1.11 (Aug 23, 2000) aec671x_detect:=20 3ware Storage Controller device driver for Linux v1.02.00.008. 3w-xxxx: tw_findcards(): No cards found. scsi : 0 hosts. scsi : detected total. Partition check: hda: hda1 hda2 < hda5 > apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x02 (Driver version 1.13) apm: disabled on user request. VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. Freeing unused kernel memory: 152k freed NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0. Adding Swap: 124956k swap-space (priority -1) NET4: G4KLX/GW4PTS AX.25 for Linux. Version 0.37 for Linux NET4.0 AX.25 Multikiss device enabled hdlcdrv: (C) 1996 Thomas Sailer HB9JNX/AE4WA hdlcdrv: version 0.6 compiled 11:56:26 Apr 20 2002 soundmodem: (C) 1996-1998 Thomas Sailer, HB9JNX/AE4WA soundmodem: version 0.8 compiled 11:56:34 Apr 20 2002 AX.25 ethernet driver version 0.01 6pack: Revision: 0.3.0 (dynamic channels, max=3D256) CSLIP: code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California SLIP: version 0.8.4-NET3.019-NEWTTY-MODULAR (dynamic channels, max=3D256). SLIP linefill/keepalive option. PPP: version 2.3.7 (demand dialling) PPP line discipline registered. YAM driver version 0.8 by F1OAT/F6FBB Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996 okir@monad.swb.de) Linux PCMCIA Card Services 3.1.33 kernel build: 2.2.20 #1 Sat Apr 20 11:45:28 EST 2002 options: [pci] [cardbus] [apm] PCI routing table version 1.0 at 0xf7370 Intel ISA/PCI/CardBus PCIC probe: Intel i82365sl B step rev 00 ISA-to-PCMCIA at port 0x3e0 ofs 0x00 host opts [0]: none host opts [1]: none ISA irqs (scanned) =3D 3,4,7,10 polling interval =3D 1000 ms cs: memory probe 0x0d0000-0x0dffff: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x220-0x22f 0x330-0x337 0x378-0x= 37f 0x388-0x38f 0x4d0-0x4d7 cs: IO port probe 0x0230-0x032f: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0338-0x0377: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0380-0x0387: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0390-0x04cf: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x04d8-0x04ff: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0800-0x08ff: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: excluding 0xcf8-0xcff hde: LEXAR ATA FLASH, ATA DISK drive ide2 at 0x100-0x107,0x10e on irq 3 hde: LEXAR ATA FLASH, 246MB w/1kB Cache, CHS=3D984/16/32 hde: hde1 ide_cs: hde: Vcc =3D 5.0, Vpp =3D 0.0 VFS: Disk change detected on device ide2(33,0) hde: hde1 hde: drive_cmd: status=3D0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hde: drive_cmd: error=3D0x04 { DriveStatusError } hermes.c: 16 Jan 2002 David Gibson orinoco.c 0.09b (David Gibson and others) orinoco_cs.c 0.09b (David Gibson and others) orinoco_cs: GetNextTuple: No more items VFS: Disk change detected on device ide2(33,1) hde: hde1 VFS: Disk change detected on device ide2(33,1) hde: hde1 ------=_Part_1228_1628897.1098927362468 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="interfac" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="interfac" IyAvZXRjL25ldHdvcmsvaW50ZXJmYWNlcyAtLSBjb25maWd1cmF0aW9uIGZpbGUgZm9yIGlmdXAo OCksIGlmZG93big4KQoKIyBUaGUgbG9vcGJhY2sgaW50ZXJmYWNlCmF1dG8gbG8KaWZhY2UgbG8g aW5ldCBsb29wYmFjawoKIyBUaGUgZmlyc3QgbmV0d29yayBjYXJkIC0gdGhpcyBlbnRyeSB3YXMg Y3JlYXRlZCBkdXJpbmcgdGhlIERlYmlhbiBpbnN0YWxsYXRpb24KIyAobmV0d29yaywgYnJvYWRj YXN0IGFuZCBnYXRld2F5IGFyZSBvcHRpb25hbCkKYXV0byBldGgwCmlmYWNlIHdsYW4wIGluZXQg c3RhdGljCglhZGRyZXNzIDE5Mi4xNjguMS4xNTAKCW5ldG1hc2sgMjU1LjI1NS4yNTUuMAoJbmV0 d29yayAxOTIuMTY4LjEuMAoJYnJvYWRjYXN0IDE5Mi4xNjguMS4yNTUKCWdhdGV3YXkgMTkyLjE2 OC4xLjEK ------=_Part_1228_1628897.1098927362468 Content-Type: text/plain; name="lsmod.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="lsmod.txt" Module Size Used by =20 nls_cp437 3896 1 (autoclean) orinoco_cs 4488 0 (unused) orinoco 28484 0 [orinoco_cs] hermes 3392 0 [orinoco_cs orinoco] ide_cs 3392 1=20 ds 6400 2 [orinoco_cs ide_cs] i82365 22672 2=20 pcmcia_core 45824 0 [orinoco_cs ide_cs ds i82365] nfsd 180920 0 (unused) nfs 71180 0 (unused) lockd 42420 0 [nfsd nfs] sunrpc 57816 0 [nfsd nfs lockd] binfmt_misc 3788 0 (unused) binfmt_aout 3756 0 (unused) ip_masq_raudio 2944 0 (unused) ip_masq_portfw 2536 0 (unused) ip_masq_mfw 3156 0 (unused) ip_masq_irc 2164 0 (unused) ip_masq_ftp 3584 0 (unused) ip_masq_autofw 2488 0 (unused) yam 28768 0 (unused) ppp 20316 0 (unused) slip 7252 0 (unused) slhc 4384 0 [ppp slip] 6pack 7308 0 (unused) bpqether 3472 0 (unused) soundmodem 7936 0 (unused) hdlcdrv 7412 4 [soundmodem] mkiss 7508 0 (unused) ax25 32704 0 [yam 6pack bpqether hdlcdrv mkiss] af_packet 6152 0 (unused) unix 11352 7 (autoclean) ------=_Part_1228_1628897.1098927362468-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 00:44:14 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9S4iDEQ007062 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:44:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9S4iDR9007061 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:44:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9S4iDEQ007057 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:44:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9S4iCbN011881 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:44:12 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9S4i326007079 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:44:03 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i9S4i1rS013083 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:44:02 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i9S4i1Qw013081; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 04:44:01 GMT Message-Id: <200410280444.i9S4i1Qw013081@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 04:44:01 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian on laptop Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:42:55 -0400 References: <620c905704102520191e4410ca@mail.gmail.com> <200410260404.i9Q441a7021304@rs16.luxsci.com> <620c905704102718367dde3f36@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c905704102718367dde3f36@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="Boundary-00=_QjHgB2ZCpFpm+X7" X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1098938641-3023516.72541665 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.082, required 6, AWL 0.11, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --Boundary-00=_QjHgB2ZCpFpm+X7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 27 October 2004 09:36 pm, Chuck Hast wrote: > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:02:29 -0400, Eric Jahn wrote: > > On Monday 25 October 2004 11:19 pm, you wrote: > > > But when I do a ifconfig, all I see is the 'lo' entry, no eth0 or any > > > other assigment. you've got the orinoco/hermes modules autoloading for your prism chipset, which is a very good combination. is it an 802.11b access point? maybe the network settings are incorrect? are you connecting to an access point with a static address as you interfaces file indicates? or are you using dhcp, in which case your interfaces file should have "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" instead of "iface wlan0 inet static" and you would then comment out everything after that. i attached my dhcp interfaces file below. when you use the wlan0 interface instead of an eth0 interace, i think you need to treat it a little differently. from http://www.tulrich.com/geekstuff/debian_tricks.html "My /etc/network/interfaces has this in it: iface wlan0 inet dhcp wireless_mode managed wireless_rate 54M auto wireless_channel 6 wireless_essid XXXXX wireless_key XXXXXXXXXX (Replace the X's with your values) Then, "ifup wlan0" brings the interface up, "ifdown eth0" to turn off the wired interface, and I'm on the net without a wire. " if you really wanted the static config, what does the command "iwconfig wlan0" give you? also, do the stuff Logan mentioned: "In /etc/wlan there will be wlancfg-DEFAULT. Copy this file and change DEFAULT to what ever your ssid is (cp wlancfg-DEFAULT wlancfg-foo) . Then edit the file and make the appropriate changes for network foo, where foo is the ssid you use for your network. " ...and make sure you have those wireless packages he mentioned installed. Hope this helps. You've got the -- Eric J --Boundary-00=_QjHgB2ZCpFpm+X7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="interface" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="interface" # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface auto lo # The Ethernet interface auto eth0 # The second wired ethernet interface (if you have one) #auto eth1 # The WIFI interface (commented out by emperor, uncomment) auto eth1 iface lo inet loopback iface eth0 inet dhcp name Ethernet LAN card iface eth1 inet dhcp name Ethernet LAN card #added by eric wireless-essid put_network_name_here #wireless-key put_key_here --Boundary-00=_QjHgB2ZCpFpm+X7-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 09:41:41 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SDffEQ010855 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:41:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9SDffiN010854 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:41:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SDfeEQ010850 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:41:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SDfebN002315 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:41:40 -0400 Received: from imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.67]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SDfDHt014253 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:41:22 -0400 Received: from opus ([68.18.30.194]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20041028134113.QUPX2400.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@opus> for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:41:13 -0400 From: "Patrick Grantham" To: Subject: [SLUG] sendmail problem Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:41:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c4bcf3$df7ef210$c902a8c0@opus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200410280444.i9S4i1Qw013081@rs16.luxsci.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net What does this mean? 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 10:31:23 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SEVNEQ011200 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:31:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9SEVNmi011199 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:31:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SEVHEQ011195 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:31:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SEVHbN004313 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:31:17 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SEUFHt024658 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:30:16 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so552328wri for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:30:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=c0DiF3h3gcGf5vVCQqAuu80tme6GtQHqYEQEX4VFqxU1uhYfT6c4Bi1sdKsZYpEgfo/UWkqmDFWP6bGjEe1uIs/+uOKNAcMF9rZTMu7xL15Xt2EjYWC7E5BcYML2i1Ff6YngCdR8JSQwDrWtz1DWOIr/YUQrLwdy5ufF2LIEtXo= Received: by 10.38.181.44 with SMTP id d44mr1373783rnf; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570410280730385a16af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:30:14 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian on laptop In-Reply-To: <200410280444.i9S4i1Qw013081@rs16.luxsci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_1471_25810009.1098973814273" References: <620c905704102520191e4410ca@mail.gmail.com> <200410260404.i9Q441a7021304@rs16.luxsci.com> <620c905704102718367dde3f36@mail.gmail.com> <200410280444.i9S4i1Qw013081@rs16.luxsci.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.1, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, LOCAL_OBFU_GENERIC 1.80) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_1471_25810009.1098973814273 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:42:55 -0400, Eric Jahn wrote: > On Wednesday 27 October 2004 09:36 pm, Chuck Hast wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:02:29 -0400, Eric Jahn wrote: > > > On Monday 25 October 2004 11:19 pm, you wrote: > > > > But when I do a ifconfig, all I see is the 'lo' entry, no eth0 or any > > > > other assigment. > > you've got the orinoco/hermes modules autoloading for your prism chipset, > which is a very good combination. is it an 802.11b access point? maybe the > network settings are incorrect? are you connecting to an access point with a > static address as you interfaces file indicates? or are you using dhcp, in > which case your interfaces file should have "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" instead > of "iface wlan0 inet static" and you would then comment out everything after > that. i attached my dhcp interfaces file below. when you use the wlan0 > interface instead of an eth0 interace, i think you need to treat it a little > differently. > > from http://www.tulrich.com/geekstuff/debian_tricks.html > > "My /etc/network/interfaces has this in it: > > iface wlan0 inet dhcp > wireless_mode managed > wireless_rate 54M auto > wireless_channel 6 > wireless_essid XXXXX > wireless_key XXXXXXXXXX > > (Replace the X's with your values) Then, "ifup wlan0" brings the interface up, > "ifdown eth0" to turn off the wired interface, and I'm on the net without a > wire. " > > if you really wanted the static config, what does the command "iwconfig wlan0" > give you? > > also, do the stuff Logan mentioned: "In /etc/wlan there will be > wlancfg-DEFAULT. Copy this file and change > DEFAULT to what ever your ssid is (cp wlancfg-DEFAULT wlancfg-foo) . > Then edit the file and make the appropriate changes for network foo, > where foo is the ssid you use for your network. " > ...and make sure you have those wireless packages he mentioned installed. > > Hope this helps. You've got the > I got pissed at the whole thing and stuck the lord sutch CD in and re-loaded the whole thing. Figured I had probably messed more stuff up than it was worth, so better to start out with a clean system. I will send you the new files. I need to learn how to deal with Debian, it is just different environment I am sure. It is funny, it comes up and finds the CF card that I have stuck in the other slot, I can mount the card just fine and indeed that is they way I move the files over to this machine to send them. But the wireless stuff is a total no go, regardless of what I do. These are virgin files, I just reloaded the whole thing. The interfaces file will be almost empty. I thought that after doing so many things it was better just to start out with a new clean install, and start building from there. Right now all I want to get up and running is the wireless card so I can get the thing on the network, then I will start adding all of the other stuff I need. ------=_Part_1471_25810009.1098973814273 Content-Type: text/plain; name="dmesg.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="dmesg.txt" Linux version 2.4.18-bf2.4 (root@zombie) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debi= an prerelease)) #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000000e8000 - 00000000000ec000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000000f0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 0000000004000000 (usable) BIOS-e820: 00000000100a0000 - 0000000010100000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 00000000fff80000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved) On node 0 totalpages: 16384 zone(0): 4096 pages. zone(1): 12288 pages. zone(2): 0 pages. Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling. Could not enable APIC! Kernel command line: auto BOOT_IMAGE=3DLinux ro root=3D301 Initializing CPU#0 Detected 266.623 MHz processor. Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 532.48 BogoMIPS Memory: 61168k/65536k available (1783k kernel code, 3980k reserved, 549k da= ta, 280k init, 0k highmem) Dentry-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) Inode-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768 bytes) Mount-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order: 1, 8192 bytes) Buffer-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 2, 16384 bytes) Page-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) CPU: Before vendor init, caps: 0183f9ff 00000000 00000000, vendor =3D 0 CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K CPU: L2 cache: 512K CPU: After vendor init, caps: 0183f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000 Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. CPU: After generic, caps: 0183f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: Common caps: 0183f9ff 00000000 00000000 00000000 CPU: Intel Pentium II (Deschutes) stepping 00 Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. Checking for popad bug... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch (rgooch@atnf.csiro.au) mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfa2e4, last bus=3D21 PCI: Using configuration type 1 PCI: Probing PCI hardware Unknown bridge resource 0: assuming transparent PCI: Using IRQ router PIIX [8086/7110] at 00:05.0 PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 4 of device 00:05.1 Limiting direct PCI/PCI transfers. Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 Initializing RT netlink socket Starting kswapd VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_6.4.0 initialized Journalled Block Device driver loaded vga16fb: initializing vga16fb: mapped to 0xc00a0000 Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30 fb0: VGA16 VGA frame buffer device pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_P= CI enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq =3D 4) is a 16550A Real Time Clock Driver v1.10e block: 128 slots per queue, batch=3D32 RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024 blocksize Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=3D= xx PIIX4: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 29 PIIX4: chipset revision 1 PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0x1000-0x1007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0x1008-0x100f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio hda: TOSHIBA MK4006MAV, ATA DISK drive hdc: TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-1602B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 hda: 8007552 sectors (4100 MB), CHS=3D993/128/63 hdc: ATAPI 20X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12 ide-floppy driver 0.97.sv Partition check: hda: hda1 hda2 < hda5 > Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is an 8272A Loading I2O Core - (c) Copyright 1999 Red Hat Software I2O configuration manager v 0.04. (C) Copyright 1999 Red Hat Software loop: loaded (max 8 devices) Compaq CISS Driver (v 2.4.5) HDLC support module revision 1.02 for Linux 2.4 Cronyx Ltd, Synchronous PPP and CISCO HDLC (c) 1994 Linux port (c) 1998 Building Number Three Ltd & Jan "Yenya" Kasprzak. ide-floppy driver 0.97.sv Promise Fasttrak(tm) Softwareraid driver 0.03beta: No raid array found Highpoint HPT370 Softwareraid driver for linux version 0.01 No raid array found SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 Red Hat/Adaptec aacraid driver, Apr 14 2002 DC390: 0 adapters found 3ware Storage Controller device driver for Linux v1.02.00.016. 3w-xxxx: No cards with valid units found. request_module[scsi_hostadapter]: Root fs not mounted request_module[scsi_hostadapter]: Root fs not mounted i2o_scsi.c: Version 0.0.1 chain_pool: 0 bytes @ c113ece0 (512 byte buffers X 4 can_queue X 0 i2o controllers) NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP IP: routing cache hash table of 512 buckets, 4Kbytes TCP: Hash tables configured (established 4096 bind 4096) NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0. VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. Freeing unused kernel memory: 280k freed Adding Swap: 124956k swap-space (priority -1) usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs usb.c: registered new driver hub usb-uhci.c: $Revision: 1.275 $ time 10:29:43 Apr 14 2002 usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:05.2 usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xffe0, IRQ 11 usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 hub.c: USB hub found hub.c: 2 ports detected usb-uhci.c: v1.275:USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver usb.c: registered new driver keyboard usbkbd.c: :USB HID Boot Protocol keyboard driver CSLIP: code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California PPP generic driver version 2.4.1 hermes.c: 16 Jan 2002 David Gibson orinoco.c 0.09b (David Gibson and others) Linux PCMCIA Card Services 3.1.33 kernel build: 2.4.18-bf2.4 unknown options: [pci] [cardbus] [apm] Intel ISA/PCI/CardBus PCIC probe: Intel i82365sl B step rev 00 ISA-to-PCMCIA at port 0x3e0 ofs 0x00 host opts [0]: none host opts [1]: none ISA irqs (scanned) =3D 3,4,7,10 polling interval =3D 1000 ms cs: memory probe 0x0d0000-0x0dffff: clean. orinoco_cs.c 0.09b (David Gibson and others) orinoco_cs: GetNextTuple: No more items cs: IO port probe 0x0100-0x04ff: excluding 0x220-0x22f 0x330-0x337 0x378-0x= 37f 0x388-0x38f 0x3c0-0x3e7 0x4d0-0x4d7 cs: IO port probe 0x0230-0x032f: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0338-0x0377: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0380-0x0387: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0390-0x03bf: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x03e8-0x04cf: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x04d8-0x04ff: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0800-0x08ff: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0a00-0x0aff: clean. cs: IO port probe 0x0c00-0x0cff: clean. hde: LEXAR ATA FLASH, ATA DISK drive ide2 at 0x100-0x107,0x10e on irq 3 ide-floppy driver 0.97.sv hde: 503808 sectors (258 MB) w/1KiB Cache, CHS=3D984/16/32 hde: hde1 ide_cs: hde: Vcc =3D 5.0, Vpp =3D 0.0 VFS: Disk change detected on device ide2(33,1) hde: hde1 VFS: Disk change detected on device ide2(33,1) hde: hde1 ------=_Part_1471_25810009.1098973814273 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="interfaces" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="interfaces" IyAvZXRjL25ldHdvcmsvaW50ZXJmYWNlcyAtLSBjb25maWd1cmF0aW9uIGZpbGUgZm9yIGlmdXAo OCksIGlmZG93big4KQoKIyBUaGUgbG9vcGJhY2sgaW50ZXJmYWNlCmF1dG8gbG8KaWZhY2UgbG8g aW5ldCBsb29wYmFjawo= ------=_Part_1471_25810009.1098973814273 Content-Type: text/plain; name="lsmod.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="lsmod.txt" Module Size Used by Not tainted nls_cp437 4384 2 (autoclean) ide_cs 3424 1=20 orinoco_cs 4712 0 (unused) ds 6624 2 [ide_cs orinoco_cs] i82365 22416 2=20 pcmcia_core 41408 0 [ide_cs orinoco_cs ds i82365] orinoco 29568 0 [orinoco_cs] hermes 3296 0 [orinoco_cs orinoco] binfmt_misc 5636 1=20 binfmt_aout 4196 0=20 ppp_generic 18728 0 (unused) slhc 4432 0 [ppp_generic] keybdev 1664 0 (unused) usbkbd 2848 0 (unused) input 3072 0 [keybdev usbkbd] usb-uhci 20708 0 (unused) usbcore 48032 0 [usbkbd usb-uhci] ------=_Part_1471_25810009.1098973814273-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 10:53:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SErkEQ011346 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:53:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9SErk6T011345 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:53:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SErkEQ011341 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:53:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SErjbN005257 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:53:45 -0400 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i9SEpKHt029704 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:51:21 -0400 Received: from outbound29-sr.lax.untd.com (webmail17.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.157]) by smtpout05.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA2CB4EAP8DSPA for (sender ); Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:50:44 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: eyWQ8kNuv/2AmhI+0gI0VmOOBhmgodfG3iEaS8lH3UFcUok94Zec7P3n1Fv6zTKy Received: (from backwardthinker@juno.com) by webmail17.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KA2PA2VY; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:50:08 PDT Received: from [64.236.226.116] by webmail17.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:49:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.236.226.116] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Backward Thinker" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:49:56 GMT To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu low memory mode install X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20041028.075008.511.135024@webmail17.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:4:2445105517 X-MAIL-INFO: 3411d9d195a19dd8dd9118c99861e9a988c8fc6869f1618cbd296d018d41014c4c8d3c413c3c5578cc5d65cd3db88535b98531313505b905 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.842, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FORGED_JUNO_RCVD 2.06) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I have found that I can boot to a shell from the Ubuntu CD, > but it's very limited. If I can use it to partition the HD > and mount a swap partition, I think I'll be good to go... Does it have fdisk, mkswap, and swapon available? If so, and you can get back into the installer process, it should work. ~ Daniel ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 11:32:20 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SFWKEQ011627 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:32:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9SFWJEm011626 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:32:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SFWJEQ011622 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:32:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SFWIbN007711 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:32:18 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SFVwHt008016 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:31:58 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CNCFk-0004e3-3v for slug@nks.net; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:31:52 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] sendmail problem Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:31:47 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <000e01c4bcf3$df7ef210$c902a8c0@opus> In-Reply-To: <000e01c4bcf3$df7ef210$c902a8c0@opus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410281131.48182.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 28 October 2004 09:41 am, Patrick Grantham wrote: > What does this mean? > > Oct 28 09:23:23 server1 sendmail[32028]: OTP unavailable because can't > read/write key database /etc/opiekeys: No such file or directory Try google: OTP unavailable, it gives ~3500 replies. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 12:03:40 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SG3eEQ011835 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:03:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9SG3e0A011834 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:03:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SG3dEQ011830 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:03:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SG3dbL009071 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:03:39 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SG3Q26016323 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:03:26 -0400 Received: from laptop (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9SG3OT4008358 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:03:24 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] sendmail problem References: <000e01c4bcf3$df7ef210$c902a8c0@opus> <200410281131.48182.steve@szmidt.org> Message-ID: From: Eben King Organization: Chronological Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:05:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <200410281131.48182.steve@szmidt.org> User-Agent: Opera7.20/Win32 M2 build 3087 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.871, required 6, AWL 1.03, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:31:47 -0400, steve szmidt wrote: > On Thursday 28 October 2004 09:41 am, Patrick Grantham wrote: >> What does this mean? >> >> Oct 28 09:23:23 server1 sendmail[32028]: OTP unavailable because can't >> read/write key database /etc/opiekeys: No such file or directory > > Try google: OTP unavailable, it gives ~3500 replies. Not if you search for the phrase "OTP unavailable" instead of for the individual words "OTP" and "unavailable": Results 1 - 10 of about 349 for "otp unavailable". versus Results 1 - 10 of about 3,720 for otp unavailable. But still, among those 349 is sure to be a solution. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar PISCES: Try to avoid any Virgos or Leos with the Ebola virus. You are the Lord of the Dance, no matter what those idiots at work say. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 12:36:03 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SGa3EQ012067 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:36:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9SGa3FZ012066 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:36:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SGa2EQ012062 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:36:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SGa1bN010451 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:36:02 -0400 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SGZp26021302 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:35:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229C5100CA for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27289-01-6 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.227.193.153] (p199-227-193-153.max.acun.net [199.227.193.153]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA22810F1B for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41811FF6.9010201@acun.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:36:06 -0400 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Back up emails in Mozilla (MEPIS) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.668, required 6, AWL 1.49, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi Everybody! I now have Simply MEPIS 2004.03 on CD downloaded for me by my ISP guy. It boots and runs fine from the CD. I want to back up my Mozilla emails before I upgrade onto the hard drive and I can't seem to do that. There are thousands of saved emails in some 28 named folders in Mozilla in my current MEPIS (RC 4) setup but I can't see them at all in the K3b window. I clicked everything that did show up, they aren't showing in that K3b window, no matter how far I drill down. Where are they? They are *not* in mail - where they *might* be expected. I don't see them in Mozilla or Mozilla extensions either, root, etc, checked everything. They have to be somewhere. When I upgraded to RC 4 from the old Beta I just went ahead with the upgrade without backing up, but now I have months of emails representing a lot of saved correspondence. I have to back this up somehow first. I am assuming that this 2004.03 MEPIS will support LPT1 printers and sound . . . It finds my new D-link DWL-G650 AirPlus card as it boots, no hot spots around here, though. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 13:52:07 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SHq7EQ012588 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:52:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9SHq7sD012587 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:52:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SHq6EQ012583 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:52:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SHq6bP013590 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:52:06 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SHpq26000357 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:51:53 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so585614wri for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:51:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=fLyiiEDIjjuQOrYl3JrWPOlRG/0XvYPoaUqKaV/wWQIFa0T496DRiuouwk5B1+h8/G03qvm2Iu3WdamL7ZBgfFKvdjj9ATfwhpNSTZXkxJE4aLksb7ks6nLp3KOul/MS8Rf5sQaMV0zrizRvPZ92Yw0G/zRLXUcNFn3Q/dJWQaQ= Received: by 10.38.151.24 with SMTP id y24mr1486254rnd; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.22.41 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:51:52 -0400 From: John To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Back up emails in Mozilla (MEPIS) In-Reply-To: <41811FF6.9010201@acun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41811FF6.9010201@acun.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.76, required 6, AWL 2.14, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:36:06 -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: > Hi Everybody! > > I now have Simply MEPIS 2004.03 on CD downloaded for me by my ISP guy. > It boots and runs fine from the CD. I want to back up my Mozilla emails > before I upgrade onto the hard drive and I can't seem to do that. Take a look in your user directory for .mozilla// In other words, there is a directory which is named with a cryptic bunch of letters ending with an extension of .slt. If you copy that entire directory, you will have all your mail and most of the settings for Moz. The place to find this directory is /home//.mozilla/ At least, that's the usual setup. John ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 14:52:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SIqaEQ013014 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:52:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9SIqa1m013013 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:52:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SIqZEQ013009 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:52:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SIqXbX016230 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:52:35 -0400 Received: from starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net (starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.227]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SIpuHt022107 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:51:56 -0400 Received: from [24.144.85.166] (helo=mail.dkoobs.com) by starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CNFNM-00085Z-C6 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:51:56 -0700 Received: from www.dkoobs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dkoobs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5516770C1B3 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66.15.89.64 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dkoobs) by www.dkoobs.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <16306.66.15.89.64.1098989652.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> In-Reply-To: <20041028.075008.511.135024@webmail17.lax.untd.com> References: <20041028.075008.511.135024@webmail17.lax.untd.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu low memory mode install From: "Doug Koobs" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.831, required 5, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83) X-MailScanner-From: dkoobs@dkoobs.com X-ELNK-Trace: 864b91cd9a0bd51694f5150ab1c16ac08f4233f47979de261aeede1a6cab059284557346b2cb9e93350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.85.166 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.688, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9SIqaEQ013010 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Does it have fdisk, mkswap, and swapon available? If so, and > you can get back into the installer process, it should work. > > ~ Daniel It does have mkswap and swapon available. I used sysresccd to partition the drive and create filesystems, one of which I set up as a swap partition. Then I use the optoin in the Ubuntu install program to go to a shell, and run the swapon command, which seems to work. I then go back to the installer, and try to install the base system, but it tells me I have to have a / partition mounted, and that the partitioner should have already done that for me. I go to the partitioning tool option in the Ubuntu installer, and it dies, with no reason given, and dumps back to the isntaller menu. I go back to the shell prompt, and try to mount the / partition to hda3 (which seems to be /dev/discs/disc0/part3) but I get an error msg that it's not a block device. Even though ls -l in that directory shows that it is... Also, / is already mounted on the ramdisk, so I don't know how to mount / to the real disk partition, since it's already mounted... Maybe I'll give up un Ubuntu for this old PC and try Slackware or VectorLinux. I found some memory upgrades on the web (up to 128MB) but they cost more than this old laptop is worth! Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 18:01:30 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SM1UEQ014276 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:01:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9SM1UlC014275 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:01:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SM1TEQ014271 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:01:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SM1SbZ026394 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:01:29 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SM0PHt007587 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:00:25 -0400 Received: from [67.9.21.17] (17-21.9-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.9.21.17]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9SM0NlM011625 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41816BA7.5040405@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:59:03 -0400 From: Anthony Harper User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040519) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu low memory mode install References: <20041028.075008.511.135024@webmail17.lax.untd.com> <16306.66.15.89.64.1098989652.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> In-Reply-To: <16306.66.15.89.64.1098989652.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.26, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Have you tried booting any livecds? I know it sounds crazy, since they tend to be so memory intensive, however I have successfully booted a laptop with 32MB RAM with a morphix cd containing TWM and QTparted in order to set up a swap partition in order to perform a Debian install. I was amazed that it worked. Using a GUI partition editor might seem like shooting for the stars, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 19:06:16 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SN6GEQ014706 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:06:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9SN6GEs014705 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:06:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9SN6FEQ014701 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:06:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SN6FbT030478 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:06:15 -0400 Received: from hank.linuxwidows.net (adsl-61-141-28.mco.bellsouth.net [208.61.141.28]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9SN5u26031024 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:05:57 -0400 Received: from dhcp-102.1.168.192.linuxwidows.net (brian@dhcp-102.1.168.192.linuxwidows.net [192.168.1.102]) by hank.linuxwidows.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i9SN5t322005 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:05:56 -0400 From: Brian Coyle Organization: CHAOS -- That's a level of organization, isn't it? To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] sendmail problem Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:05:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <000e01c4bcf3$df7ef210$c902a8c0@opus> <200410281131.48182.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: X-Reply-Content-Type: No HTML Mail, please! Send plain text. X-GPG-Fingerprint: AE1C 123A 1153 8A63 E8A9 FAEA 111D CCB8 7527 701B X-Message-flag: This has been a test of the M$ Outlook virus system... Had this been an actual virus, you'd have been... Well, toast. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Description: clearsigned data Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410281905.54394.brian@linuxwidows.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.569, required 6, AWL 1.33, BAYES_00 -4.90, UPPERCASE_25_50 0.00) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9SN6GEQ014702 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 28 October 2004 12:05, Eben King wrote: > Results 1 - 10 of about 349 for "otp unavailable". > > versus > > Results 1 - 10 of about 3,720 for otp unavailable. > > But still, among those 349 is sure to be a solution. Plugging "otp unavailable sendmail" into google.com/linux yields 46 hits. - -- Linux - the ultimate Windows Service Pack -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Brian Coyle, GCIA http://www.giac.org/GCIA.php iD8DBQFBgXtSER3MuHUncBsRAiZzAJ9TTuwqjYdYxS43K6/6xmQyiYQG0wCfYDV3 WA+7kvwCJRygSxRSzYO7jkQ= =3QnC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 20:06:41 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T06fEQ015122 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:06:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9T06fRo015121 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:06:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T06eEQ015117 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:06:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T06ebP001448 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:06:40 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T06M26011701 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:06:22 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9T06KZn016100 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410290006.i9T06KZn016100@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: OT - CAD vendors advising customers to outsource --outsourcing works, when limited Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:04:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <1098793484.2552.177.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcS7WIeduzfzW4fpS3qXjR+I9hZjJAB7s9Ng X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.335, required 6, AWL 1.56, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Brian, you might want to re-read my post. I'm afraid you missed the point. "PTC executives boasted to financial analysts that they are advising companies to replace $100K/yr American engineers with $20K/yr Indian engineers." It says PTC is telling their _CUSTOMERS_ to outsource. It's bad enough the PTC and other CAD companies outsource, but suggesting to customers that they do so is distasteful to me. Thus I referred to this as "crap". B.S.>>It does 3D for simulation, modeling, packaging and component layout far better than that "popular civil engineering" application "civil engineering application" Hmmm.... That would be inRoads, EaglePoint or ArcInfo, right? :-) AutoCAD? I'm confused that you would compare the two. Isn't it a bit like comparing PageMaker to Word? AutoCAD is easily the best all around drafting package there is. It's the Swiss army knife of CAD. It does 3D, but it is not a strength. But there are so many plug-ins, you can do almost anything. Pro/E is a solids modeling system purely focused on mechanical design. It's like comparing a Jaguar F1 car to a Honda Accord. Totally different applications. And just like Jaguar in F1, PTC is getting its but kicked by its competitors. PTC should be more worried about Catia at the high end and SolidWorks at the low end. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bryan J. Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:25 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Re: OT - CAD vendors advising customers to outsource --outsourcing works, when limited On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 07:14, Ken Elliott wrote: > >From upFront.eZine: > > CAD vendors are emphasizing outsourcing to their customers. > That's to sell more software, and especially to create a market > for collaboration software. > Last Friday, we listened as PTC executives boasted to financial analysts > that they are advising companies to replace $100K/yr American engineers > with $20K/yr Indian engineers. It occurred to us that maybe nearly all of > its employees -- and those of any other software company -- could get > outsourced enmasse to India, Russia, China, wherever -- software > programming, marketing and public relations, IT and tech support, > accounting, whatever. All an American software company needs in > the United States is a ceo and local resellers. > > I've always had a dislike for PTC for this kind of crap. > PTC makes a product known as Pro/Engineer or Pro/E. And you think PTC is the _only_ vendor doing it? Major software is already being developed overseas. Heck, India is "expensive" compared to Ireland and Israel, among others. What comes to bite companies in the @$$ is when they let _all_ of the code be developed overseas. That's a problem because the end-user software is _still_ used by Americans. Locale, business and other considerations are still a factor. Those are approaches, flows and other features that _must_ be "added" when the product comes back. I've written requirements documents for software being outsourced. You have to tell these guys _everything_ -- right down to the data format, interfaces, etc... They will cut corners if you don't, you have to put it in the design document. So, unfortunately from a business standpoint, there _is_still_ a "threshold of overhead cost" in doing this, as well as "fixing the code" when it comes back. So here's the golden key. American companies _do_ need a better approach outsourcing software development. It's not the "hand it off savings" like many companies want, and they _are_ learning the "hard way." One, project management is US based. You _can_ have a remote project manager, but you need someone who reports to US engineering resources. The US based portion defines requirements explicitly, and dictates what portions -- and I stress _portions_ -- of the code will be written by the outsourced partner. Strict function and parameters definitions, strict structure and data formats. In fact, it really helps to have support files and documents written _before_ you outsource. [ SIDE NOTE: Unfortunately, I've seen companies abuse their developers, sending an American developer to Indian for a projected 3 weeks only to end up 3 months. That's just cruel, unprofessional and wrong -- I don't blame American engineers for quitting, and I _do_ want to see some lawsuits ] Two, you still need an engineering staff in the US. This staff will be responsible for "cleaning up" the code when it comes back. This will vary from interface changes, various subsystems, etc... Ideally these should already be determined in the initial requirements documentation, and those portions given to the American staff. The idea here is to reduce the American staff to focusing on the more "consumer facing" aspects of the software, leaving the "meat" to the outsourcing partner. Which brings me to my final point. This approach, when implemented correctly, will result in a cost savings of around 50%. The idea that you can get a "direct savings" of 60-80% by using foreign software developers who work for only 20% (more Ireland/Israel) and 40% (more India) of what Americans software developers is a joke. They often have no concept of business and American locale. And in many cases, they are "hackers" who need a _lot_ of direction, because they do _not_ get the training in the software development cycle, quality assurance, etc... Such things _will_ come in time in their regions, just as their standard of living comes up, and American companies move yet again to "cheaper" markets. Sigh, the cycle continues. Lastly, customer support for American consumers and businesses should _never_ be outsourced. Companies are learning this the "hard way." The best way to lose a customer is to have them hear a foreign voice for support -- be it in America or _any_ other country. This is where Linux and other Freedomware shines, because it is developed globally, but refined and supported locally (Red Hat ~ US, Mandrake ~ France, SuSE ~ Germany, etc...) -- Bryan P.S. PTC is one of the major vendors putting Linux on the engineering desktop. It sells one of the leading CAM packages used in the mechanical and aerospace engineering fields. Main reason? It does 3D for simulation, modeling, packaging and component layout far better than that "popular civil engineering" application with add-ons that's really only designed for 2D (did we have that discussion on this list or another? ;-). Again, don't assume they are the only ones doing it. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 20:47:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T0lGEQ015412 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:47:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9T0lGDu015411 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:47:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T0lGEQ015407 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:47:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T0lAbN003741 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:47:16 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T0kr26020067 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:46:53 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so638369wri for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:46:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=S/wuDrYVXR6OTWloAC0Bv1bRhoGvG3XoqxDvLHYbLlp8A3C/0w8Ur2K8WtDIEzUcwjCJx+/FjroxK5b6eGSWV02bwmNgEyZjqlcKsYySr3fMBGwkP/cICvUonnEzXQJhdPfowCNHus+lJkxLI2c1MS2j0AlXkDMKHTi1qelQrLg= Received: by 10.38.152.73 with SMTP id z73mr1636351rnd; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905704102817465cf464e8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:46:41 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Knoppix CD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.605, required 6, AWL 1.29, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks, I pulled down a Knoppix CD, it runs as a demo, but I also understand that it can be installed, I have looked high and low to see how to install it but so far no luck. It is a specialized one done for the amateur radio community, but I under- stand that it can be installed to a HD, just can not find the proper way to do so. Most of the documentation is in German, and I am sort of lost there. Anyone familiar with the installation of Knoppix on the good old HD? -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 20:53:44 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T0riEQ015475 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:53:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9T0rior015474 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:53:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T0rhEQ015470 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:53:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T0rhbL004136 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:53:43 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T0rAHt030729 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:53:13 -0400 Received: from jupiter (97-43.202-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.202.43.97]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9T0r8Nu028066 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Tom Suzda To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Verizon Fios fiber and Slackware Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:53:16 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200410282053.16341.suzda@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9T0riEQ015471 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I noticed the Verizon people finishing up in the area burying the fiber, so I called. It was installed yesterday. 15/2 Mbps. The only problem is, and they spent an extra 2 hours with me trying to get it to work, in that they don't support Linux, or Mozilla, for that matter. They were as interested as I was to get it working as they said, they figured, I was about the 10th person in Florida to get the Fios fiber system installed. We had no problem accessing the router, and setting all of it up and getting a connection. Maybe 10 minutes, if even that. Now we bring up Mozilla, and go to the speed test site. 8 Mbps....wait a minute here, it's supposed to be 15 Mbps. So, they asked if there was any way they could install it using Windows. I have 1 W2k system here that I use for supporting some old customers. It doesn't have IE or Outlook installed on it. It does have Mozilla and Thunderbird email installed. They said they'd try working with that. We tried, but it wanted Java, which I hadn't installed, so they said they have to go with IE on Windows or stop the installation. So, we loaded IE. Tested the speed, 14.89 Mbps. While they were congratulating themselves, I downloaded and installed the Java for Mozilla. Said it was downloaded before the download manager had a chance to come up. Tested it under Mozilla, and exact same speed. So it works under both IE and Mozilla. Now I have a question for the group. After they left, I connected it to the network, and running the same speed test, I'm still getting around 8 Mpbs. I disconnected from the network, and plugged one of the 6 linux boxes in, through the Dl - 604 router that they use, disconnecting all other systems. Same test, same 8 Mbps speed. I've gone to a number of web sites to try and tune the linux tcp parameters, but anything I do doesn't change anything. The only interesting info I can convey is that while the D-link DFE 530-TX+ shows full duplex, both, while booting, and running mii-tool -v, after running the test and asking for all the information, the speed site says it's a half duplex connection. Not the same info under Windblows. I mean that would make sense, since the speed is about half of what I'm expecting. To rub salt in the proverbial wound, the installers called back today to see how I liked it and verify everything was in working order. All I could say was that it was still showing a 14.98 Mbps speed test, under Windows. So after this long winded dissertation, where do I go from here? Linux was always almost twice as fast under the cable modem than Windows ever hoped to be. Where do I look? What other tweaks should I be trying. I have plenty of systems to use for testing, so I have no problem rebuilding kernels. I guess one of the problems is that I'm on the bleeding edge of this technology and need to figure it out to help others, besides myself. What I've tried so far: Even though the NIC auto-negotiates a 100-FDx connection, I've used mii-tools to force it there as well. I've upped the TCP buffer limits, and increased the autotuning TCP buffer limits. Turned off/on tcp_window_scaling Adjusted the MTU to 1492 (before I did that, I couldn't even connect to the router sometimes) Made sure txqueuelen was at least 1000 I'm at a loss. I'm reading as fast as I can, and I'd love to call Blighthouse and tell them to come pick up their modem, and I can if I want to convert immediately, but I've paid through the middle of next month, I'll probably just use it up. That's why this is being send under the tampabay.rr.com account. I haven't even gone in and set up my Fios email accounts. Help!!!! Thanks, Tom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 21:02:16 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T12GEQ015548 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:02:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9T12GjN015547 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:02:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T12GEQ015543 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:02:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T12DbR004603; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:02:15 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T11q26023948; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:01:57 -0400 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i9T11nlM010654; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01f601c4bd52$df5ae320$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: Cc: Subject: [SLUG] Securing Redhat 9.0 as a web server Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:01:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.777, required 6, AWL 2.12, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Going through some old e-mails here, ran across this. It is a 9 page pdf. This was on the pen test list. Only 3 months old. - Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "s b" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:30 Subject: Re: Hacking Demo and Test Lab > Check out this paper published by CERT India > > Securing Redhat 9.0 as a web server > > http://www.cert-in.org.in/guidelines/CISG-2004-01.pdf > > Seems Interesting > > Cheers > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 21:22:57 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T1MvEQ015685 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:22:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9T1Mv0u015684 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:22:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T1MuEQ015680 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:22:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T1MtbR005798 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:22:56 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T1MX26028148 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:22:33 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9T1MUT4011568 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410290122.i9T1MUT4011568@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: OT - CAD vendors advising customers to outsource Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:21:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <200410290006.i9T06KZn016100@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcS7WIeduzfzW4fpS3qXjR+I9hZjJAB7s9NgAANwspA= X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.423, required 6, AWL 1.48, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Brian, you might want to re-read my post. I'm afraid you missed the point. KE>> "PTC executives boasted to financial analysts that they are advising companies to replace $100K/yr American engineers with $20K/yr Indian engineers." It says PTC is telling their _CUSTOMERS_ to outsource. It's bad enough the PTC and other CAD companies outsource, but suggesting to customers that they do so is distasteful to me. Thus I referred to this as "crap". B.S.>>It does 3D for simulation, modeling, packaging and component layout far better than that "popular civil engineering" application "civil engineering application" Hmmm.... That would be inRoads, EaglePoint or ArcInfo, right? :-) AutoCAD? I'm confused that you would compare the two. Isn't it a bit like comparing PageMaker to Word? AutoCAD is easily the best all around drafting package there is. It's the Swiss army knife of CAD. It does 3D, but it is not a strength. But there are so many plug-ins, you can do almost anything. Pro/E is a solids modeling system purely focused on mechanical design. It's like comparing a Jaguar F1 car to a Honda Accord. Totally different applications. And just like Jaguar in F1, PTC is getting its but kicked by its competitors. PTC should be more worried about Catia at the high end and SolidWorks at the low end. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bryan J. Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:25 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Re: OT - CAD vendors advising customers to outsource --outsourcing works, when limited On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 07:14, Ken Elliott wrote: > >From upFront.eZine: > > CAD vendors are emphasizing outsourcing to their customers. > That's to sell more software, and especially to create a market > for collaboration software. > Last Friday, we listened as PTC executives boasted to financial analysts > that they are advising companies to replace $100K/yr American engineers > with $20K/yr Indian engineers. It occurred to us that maybe nearly > all of > its employees -- and those of any other software company -- could get > outsourced enmasse to India, Russia, China, wherever -- software > programming, marketing and public relations, IT and tech support, > accounting, whatever. All an American software company needs in > the United States is a ceo and local resellers. > > I've always had a dislike for PTC for this kind of crap. > PTC makes a product known as Pro/Engineer or Pro/E. And you think PTC is the _only_ vendor doing it? Major software is already being developed overseas. Heck, India is "expensive" compared to Ireland and Israel, among others. What comes to bite companies in the @$$ is when they let _all_ of the code be developed overseas. That's a problem because the end-user software is _still_ used by Americans. Locale, business and other considerations are still a factor. Those are approaches, flows and other features that _must_ be "added" when the product comes back. I've written requirements documents for software being outsourced. You have to tell these guys _everything_ -- right down to the data format, interfaces, etc... They will cut corners if you don't, you have to put it in the design document. So, unfortunately from a business standpoint, there _is_still_ a "threshold of overhead cost" in doing this, as well as "fixing the code" when it comes back. So here's the golden key. American companies _do_ need a better approach outsourcing software development. It's not the "hand it off savings" like many companies want, and they _are_ learning the "hard way." One, project management is US based. You _can_ have a remote project manager, but you need someone who reports to US engineering resources. The US based portion defines requirements explicitly, and dictates what portions -- and I stress _portions_ -- of the code will be written by the outsourced partner. Strict function and parameters definitions, strict structure and data formats. In fact, it really helps to have support files and documents written _before_ you outsource. [ SIDE NOTE: Unfortunately, I've seen companies abuse their developers, sending an American developer to Indian for a projected 3 weeks only to end up 3 months. That's just cruel, unprofessional and wrong -- I don't blame American engineers for quitting, and I _do_ want to see some lawsuits ] Two, you still need an engineering staff in the US. This staff will be responsible for "cleaning up" the code when it comes back. This will vary from interface changes, various subsystems, etc... Ideally these should already be determined in the initial requirements documentation, and those portions given to the American staff. The idea here is to reduce the American staff to focusing on the more "consumer facing" aspects of the software, leaving the "meat" to the outsourcing partner. Which brings me to my final point. This approach, when implemented correctly, will result in a cost savings of around 50%. The idea that you can get a "direct savings" of 60-80% by using foreign software developers who work for only 20% (more Ireland/Israel) and 40% (more India) of what Americans software developers is a joke. They often have no concept of business and American locale. And in many cases, they are "hackers" who need a _lot_ of direction, because they do _not_ get the training in the software development cycle, quality assurance, etc... Such things _will_ come in time in their regions, just as their standard of living comes up, and American companies move yet again to "cheaper" markets. Sigh, the cycle continues. Lastly, customer support for American consumers and businesses should _never_ be outsourced. Companies are learning this the "hard way." The best way to lose a customer is to have them hear a foreign voice for support -- be it in America or _any_ other country. This is where Linux and other Freedomware shines, because it is developed globally, but refined and supported locally (Red Hat ~ US, Mandrake ~ France, SuSE ~ Germany, etc...) -- Bryan P.S. PTC is one of the major vendors putting Linux on the engineering desktop. It sells one of the leading CAM packages used in the mechanical and aerospace engineering fields. Main reason? It does 3D for simulation, modeling, packaging and component layout far better than that "popular civil engineering" application with add-ons that's really only designed for 2D (did we have that discussion on this list or another? ;-). Again, don't assume they are the only ones doing it. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 21:24:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T1OlEQ015706 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:24:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9T1Ola3015705 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:24:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T1OkEQ015701 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:24:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T1OibT005912 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:24:46 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T1OS26028536 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:24:28 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so641816wri for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:24:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=JKG3y+lq7XsoaKKoqcfOXKpdFx4cTAj3jMA1p1t9g2IZ86zoU4Diw1AQOv9f7ToMSbHIh4qBGPuVb0u6pHf77bDs1PgoVQzFrq5JCT1FwYjkwzU6LgZueQ8tIWInYfCXrz+3USu61DG0medOpWyIDZTRlAX2vNVw1PWwWNHgtRI= Received: by 10.38.76.16 with SMTP id y16mr1646253rna; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905704102818247ce0a44f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:24:04 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon Fios fiber and Slackware In-Reply-To: <200410282053.16341.suzda@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410282053.16341.suzda@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.639, required 6, AWL 1.26, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I wish they would just get DSL in here (Palm River) but no way, we still have paper in the cables here, when it rains the phone service suxx. I am using Nighhouse and Vonage, but would go to Verizon in a minute if the ran fibre through here. Wish I could help you with the speed issue. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 21:59:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T1xaEQ015976 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:59:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9T1xa18015975 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:59:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T1xZEQ015971 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:59:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T1xTbZ007959 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:59:35 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T1x026003775 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:59:04 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9T1wwT5003337 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:58:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] sendmail problem In-Reply-To: <200410281905.54394.brian@linuxwidows.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thursday 28 October 2004 12:05, Eben King wrote: > > > Results 1 - 10 of about 349 for "otp unavailable". > > > > versus > > > > Results 1 - 10 of about 3,720 for otp unavailable. > > > > But still, among those 349 is sure to be a solution. > > > Plugging "otp unavailable sendmail" into google.com/linux yields > 46 hits. ... and using "otp unavailable" sendmail gets 28, since you're interested only in the phrase "otp unavailable", not in those other 18 instances of "blah blah otp blah blah unavailable blah blah". -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? [TOFU := text oben, A: Top-posting. followup unten] Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? -- Daniel Jensen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 22:01:53 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T21qEQ016019 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:01:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9T21qsN016018 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:01:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T21qEQ016014 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:01:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T21mbb008163 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:01:51 -0400 Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T20X26004990 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:00:33 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([4.47.204.60]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041029020030.DLIR29353.out011.verizon.net@[192.168.1.2]> for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:00:30 -0500 Message-ID: <4181A445.7080808@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:00:37 -0400 From: Joe Brandt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Knoppix CD References: <620c905704102817465cf464e8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c905704102817465cf464e8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [4.47.204.60] at Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:00:30 -0500 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.951, required 6, AWL 1.00, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: >Folks, >I pulled down a Knoppix CD, it runs as a demo, but I also understand that >it can be installed, I have looked high and low to see how to install it but >so far no luck. > >It is a specialized one done for the amateur radio community, but I under- >stand that it can be installed to a HD, just can not find the proper way to >do so. Most of the documentation is in German, and I am sort of lost there. > >Anyone familiar with the installation of Knoppix on the good old HD? > > > the terminal command is "knoppix-installer" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 22:03:03 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T233EQ016040 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:03:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9T2335e016039 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:03:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T232EQ016035 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:03:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T22xbr008254 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:03:02 -0400 Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T20a26005026 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:00:36 -0400 Received: from 209-165-14.54.lightspeed.net ([209.165.14.54] helo=noname.nodomain.nowhere) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CNM4B-0004yz-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:00:36 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Tim Wright To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Knoppix CD Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:09:39 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <620c905704102817465cf464e8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c905704102817465cf464e8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0410282209390K.01246@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 28 October 2004 20:46, you wrote: > Folks, > I pulled down a Knoppix CD, it runs as a demo, but I also understand that > it can be installed, I have looked high and low to see how to install it > but so far no luck. > > It is a specialized one done for the amateur radio community, but I under- > stand that it can be installed to a HD, just can not find the proper way to > do so. Most of the documentation is in German, and I am sort of lost there. > > Anyone familiar with the installation of Knoppix on the good old HD? There's a script that you can access from the Knoppix web site that handles the HD install. They had all kinds of disclaimers that as a third party app it may not work for everybody, and that Knoppix can't guarantee or support it. I used the script to put Knoppix on my girlfriend's cheapie Acer PC, and the install took about forty-five minutes. I had to make a few upfront selections concerning hardware and partitions, etc, then it spent the rest of the time copying files. I had to do some sysadmin chores afterward: setting up user accounts, configuring KDE, but that was less than an hour's work. Nose around the Knoppix.net site. I'm sure that the link to the HD install script is still in there somewhere. I have a copy someplace around here if all else fails. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 22:07:31 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T27VEQ016075 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:07:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9T27VKB016074 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:07:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T27UEQ016070 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:07:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T27TbT008681 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:07:30 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T27626007429 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:07:06 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CNM8E-0002V4-J6 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:04:46 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Knoppix CD Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:07:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <620c905704102817465cf464e8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c905704102817465cf464e8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410282207.02434.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.902, required 6, AWL 1.30, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 28 October 2004 08:46 pm, Chuck Hast wrote: > Folks, > I pulled down a Knoppix CD, it runs as a demo, but I also understand that > it can be installed, I have looked high and low to see how to install it > but so far no luck. > > It is a specialized one done for the amateur radio community, but I under- > stand that it can be installed to a HD, just can not find the proper way to > do so. Most of the documentation is in German, and I am sort of lost there. > > Anyone familiar with the installation of Knoppix on the good old HD? Quickly booting it up reveals that there's a KNOPPIX-FAQ-EN.txt which says that if you really know what you are doing you can. But there's no GUI taking you through it. Then it describes what to do. Though if I was lazy I'd download the .iso from knoppix.org and make a install CD to install from. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 22:27:25 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T2RPEQ016238 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:27:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9T2RPmw016237 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:27:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T2ROEQ016233 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:27:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T2RObT010501 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:27:24 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T2RC26013261 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:27:13 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so647461wri for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:26:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mcR0pS6VlXLYewgTA24c2jhXSnfhJy/FwuPxgXVCVp1tY8K4PJB2YLopjJuX9A1SDorgHWeTfFXzUp5LFLMlHFbgrtg0I3H7dRwN7ucWVVYWQDA+Zs0FMabZGnPy5rza6wjydaYZ5Wn8sv8I7fC2HWS2CNxEeyxNBLd9lZeXwpI= Received: by 10.38.76.16 with SMTP id y16mr1666691rna; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905704102819264a7a3365@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:26:44 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Knoppix CD In-Reply-To: <200410282207.02434.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <620c905704102817465cf464e8@mail.gmail.com> <200410282207.02434.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.672, required 6, AWL 1.23, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mike, It is available at this site. http://www.afu-knoppix.de/ Tim, Steve, I found the command, once the CD has come up, you just get a console or Xterm with root and issue the command knx-install and off it goes. It will ask you the usual questions you answer them and you are off and running. So far so good. I have it talking to the amateur radio gear, I am in the process of modifying the ax25-up file so that it will bring up the link to the packet controller under a different data link between the linux machine and contoller. I saw all of the stuff that said that it may not work but so far so good. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 22:59:48 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T2xmEQ016462 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:59:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9T2xmpv016461 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:59:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T2xlEQ016457 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:59:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T2xkbP012738 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:59:47 -0400 Received: from starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net (starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.227]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T2xV26021688 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:59:35 -0400 Received: from [69.154.34.159] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CNMzC-0004IE-Ox for slug@nks.net; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:59:31 -0700 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: OT - CAD vendors advising customers to outsource --outsourcing works, when limited From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410290006.i9T06KZn016100@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200410290006.i9T06KZn016100@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1099018769.2609.40.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:59:30 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79cd1ab51e100802db251b3d8e5534ca5d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.34.159 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.873, required 6, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 20:04, Ken Elliott wrote: > Brian, you might want to re-read my post. I'm afraid you missed the point. > "PTC executives boasted to financial analysts that they are advising > companies to replace $100K/yr American engineers with $20K/yr Indian > engineers." > It says PTC is telling their _CUSTOMERS_ to outsource. It's bad enough the > PTC and other CAD companies outsource, but suggesting to customers that they > do so is distasteful to me. Thus I referred to this as "crap". Outsourcing is here. Fighting it does no good. You must reduce the argument to what outsourcing does work and what does not work. In other words, you must fight business with business. Certain types of outsourcing is a risk to business -- especially as you approach details that are more "client aspects" like support, user interfaces, business model, accounting features, etc... More in the IT space, security, ethics, etc... are also key no-nos for outsourcing. The problem with American businesses is that they tend to only look at 3 year savings and no further. That's why they lock their companies into Hostageware, finance and other considerations that often result in businesses failing within 5 years of conception or major change in direction. If I can reduce the argument to risk, I can advise companies where risk is and isn't worth the savings. When it comes to outsourcing, > "civil engineering application" Hmmm.... That would be inRoads, EaglePoint > or ArcInfo, right? :-) > AutoCAD? I'm confused that you would compare the two. Isn't it a bit like > comparing PageMaker to Word? Yes. The problem is that when people say "CAD," they only think of AutoCAD. The "CAD" space is not only beyond that, but you have to also consider applications in the "CAM" and even "EDA" space as well. > AutoCAD is easily the best all around drafting package there is. For 2D, I agree. But _not_ for 3D, the approach is very, very different. > It's the Swiss army knife of CAD. It does 3D, but it is not a strength. Exactly. > But there are so many plug-ins, you can do almost anything. Just like MS IE, you can add the capability, but I'd rather use Mozilla where most of what I need is already built-in. Sure, since MS IE is far more popular, so there are lots and lots of stuff I can get that I can't find for Mozilla. But the reality is that the MS IE + plug-in approach is rather limited, compared to capabilities inherit to Mozilla. So if you want those capabilities, you're better off with Mozilla. I think you pegged this also with the Word Processing (MS Word) v. Desktop Publishing (PageMaker) comment. The problem is that so many _only_ known Word Processing, and that's why far too many people don't even consider DTP -- especially when it is far more applicable to solving the problem. Just like the in-house Microsoft support at a Fortune 20 company told my supervisor, "He shouldn't be using MS Word for this documentation, he should be using Adobe FrameMaker. Even we use FrameMaker to write our MS Office documentation." > Pro/E is a solids modeling system purely focused on mechanical design. Correct, and far better for 3D aspects. But saying it only does mechanical design is simply not true. While that _is_ its forte, it is applicable to aspects of _both_ civil and electrical, where appropriate. But most people don't realize that. They try to stick with AutoCAD because that's all they know, and throw add-ons at it when Pro/E might be a better approach. > It's like comparing a Jaguar F1 car to a Honda Accord. Totally different > applications. No, it's like comparing a pickup to a Semi Tractor Trailer. Sometimes the pickup will do, and you can throw things in the back, but sometimes you needed the Tractor Trailer in the first place. > And just like Jaguar in F1, PTC is getting its but kicked by its > competitors. It's not getting its "butt kicked" by competitors. It solves the problem for CAD/CAM in ways AutoCAD cannot -- especially in 3D space. Because even Microsoft uses Adobe FrameMaker for things that MS Word can't do (or does not do well). AutoCAD is _not_ the end-all, be-all, it is just most popular for most 2D applications. It is severely limited in functionality for more CAD/CAM applications. And CAD/CAM and EDA are were the "Linux" deployments are -- largely the mechanical and electrical space. They are the "CAD" in those environments. > PTC should be more worried about Catia at the high end and > SolidWorks at the low end. And AutoDesk has its competitors as well -- Bentley Systems for one. They used to have another in IntelliCAD until Visio bought them out. Then Microsoft bought Visio, resulting in the death of all non-Windows ports and adoption of VB to replace AutoLisp while IntelliCAD was turned into a "Shared Source" type project. [ Ironically there is one licensee, BrisCAD, who makes sure their IntelliCAD version runs unmodified on the WINE run-time. They state they will release a native WINELIB version in the future, but I seriously doubt that because Microsoft would yank their license. ] -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 23:34:31 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T3YVEQ016741 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:34:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9T3YVIs016740 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:34:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T3YUEQ016736 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:34:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T3YTbP014958 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:34:30 -0400 Received: from invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net (invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.254]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T3YB26031015 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:34:11 -0400 Received: from [69.154.34.159] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by invasion.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CNNWl-0006Il-9E for slug@nks.net; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:34:11 -0700 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: OT - CAD vendors advising customers to outsource -- better analogy From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1099018769.2609.40.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <200410290006.i9T06KZn016100@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> <1099018769.2609.40.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1099020850.2609.77.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:34:10 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794e9c5f5caa6a7f9d57b61cb393f7607c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.154.34.159 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.158, required 6, AWL -0.69, BAYES_00 -4.90, SARE_SUB_BETTER 1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 20:04, Ken Elliott wrote: > It's like comparing a Jaguar F1 car to a Honda Accord. Totally > different applications. On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 22:59, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > No, it's like comparing a pickup to a Semi Tractor Trailer. Sometimes > the pickup will do, and you can throw things in the back, but sometimes > you needed the Tractor Trailer in the first place. Ack, that's still not a good relationship of 2D to 3D. It's like comparing a truck (or even a hovercraft) to an aircraft. The 2D truck is more popular, there are more variants to do more jobs, often carrying more of a load for less cost. But in many cases, only the 3D moving aircraft will do, even though its is lesser used, you have fewer options and other details, with a higher initial cost, it is more cost effective for many jobs than the 2D truck. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 28 23:59:51 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T3xpEQ016906 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:59:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9T3xpCR016905 for slug-track29; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:59:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9T3xoEQ016901 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:59:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T3xobP016505 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:59:50 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9T3xdHt027124 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:59:39 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CNNtA-0003ts-Eo for slug@nks.net; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:57:20 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Knoppix CD Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:59:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <620c905704102817465cf464e8@mail.gmail.com> <200410282207.02434.steve@szmidt.org> <620c905704102819264a7a3365@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c905704102819264a7a3365@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410282359.35858.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 28 October 2004 10:26 pm, Chuck Hast wrote: > Mike, > It is available at this site. > http://www.afu-knoppix.de/ > > Tim, Steve, > I found the command, once the CD has come up, you just get a console or > Xterm with root and issue the command knx-install and off it goes. It will > ask you the usual questions you answer them and you are off and running. > > So far so good. I have it talking to the amateur radio gear, I am in the > process of modifying the ax25-up file so that it will bring up the link to > the packet controller under a different data link between the linux machine > and contoller. Funny they would give the impression you have to do it by yourself. Thanks for the data, it worked just fine on a test machine! Getting the 3.6 now to compare that with my older 3.2... -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 29 10:44:31 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TEiVEQ021482 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:44:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9TEiVQR021481 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:44:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TEiUEQ021477 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:44:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TEhtbR024273 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:44:19 -0400 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i9TEhEHt021983 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:43:15 -0400 Received: from outbound29-sr.lax.untd.com (webmail06.lax.untd.com [10.131.27.146]) by smtpout01.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA2EXYYAWEYM6A for (sender ); Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:42:30 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: eyWQ8kNuv/2AmhI+0gI0VmOOBhmgodfGVTm7xaa+MJCmgTu25eBGFXO8QHCLaqK5 Received: (from backwardthinker@juno.com) by webmail06.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KA4884JF; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:42:07 PDT Received: from [64.236.226.116] by webmail06.lax.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:41:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.236.226.116] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Backward Thinker" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:41:50 GMT To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu low memory mode install X-Mailer: WebMail Version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20041029.074207.511.315792@webmail06.lax.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 14:7:3170955803 X-MAIL-INFO: 5517eea3ae3e8b6e27670f1bebd79b8efeb3376f0223d74b5ef79fafaa1aafab9aaadf1adfdfba5a834e7e73b763cbc3f3cb93c7c34ff34f X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.842, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FORGED_JUNO_RCVD 2.06) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I then go back to the installer, and try to install the base > system, but it tells me I have to have a / partition mounted, > and that the partitioner should have already done that for me. > I go to the partitioning tool option in the Ubuntu installer, > and it dies, with no reason given, and dumps back to the > isntaller menu. Well, that sounds broken. Well, forging onward, my guess is it isn't talking about mounting the target / over the ramdisk /, otherwise the installer would have more probems getting anything done :). I've never done Ubuntu... is there a mountpoint like /install or something that it wants to mount the target / too? > I go back to the shell prompt, and try to mount the / partition > to hda3 (which seems to be /dev/discs/disc0/part3) but I get an > error msg that it's not a block device. Even though ls -l in that > directory shows that it is... devfs, eh? No idea why this is happening if you were able to successfully update the partition table etc and the device is listed as a block device. Anything related in dmesg? But this is probably why the installer is blowing up... > Also, / is already mounted on the ramdisk, so I don't know how > to mount / to the real disk partition, since it's already > mounted... It's perfectly legal to mount the new / on top of the existing /... but like I said earlier, you don't want to do that. Everything that is already up and running would work... but any subsequent opens would fail cuz 'taint there no mo. No /lib, /bin, /etc, etc... bad idea. > Maybe I'll give up un Ubuntu for this old PC and try Slackware > or VectorLinux. I found some memory upgrades on the web (up to > 128MB) but they cost more than this old laptop is worth! It'd be interesting to see if that "not a block device error" persists across other installers... ~ Daniel ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 29 10:48:53 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TEmrEQ021511 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:48:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9TEmrau021510 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:48:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TEmqEQ021506 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:48:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TEmkbX024670 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:48:48 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TEmHHt023635 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:48:17 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 64so641470wri for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:48:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=rFixJlayh1qsQi5AMnipEb3AVyFfC+vJ0kw++oT6E5IGF+grvauEEuJziODN4wVAeVgIFWv8eDUqhyh4mC7fid6lTSrLPwRjgqu2/r9bWB8GE3q/6EFGyByzTkVvZDt+U0mVJkkrZemeCW2s9ZXNoxC5MwVJB9eoGBjidJ1FR0Q= Received: by 10.38.15.26 with SMTP id 26mr954661rno; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.19 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e3104102907483896eaa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:48:13 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon Fios fiber and Slackware In-Reply-To: <200410282053.16341.suzda@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410282053.16341.suzda@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Looking at what you're saying, particularly about the MTU, it seems like it's an issue with their routers, but I don't really know how to resolve it. Can I ask what they're charging? And what area you're in? And do you have an empty room for rent? :P ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 29 11:28:58 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TFSwEQ021792 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:28:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9TFSwqv021791 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:28:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TFSvEQ021787 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:28:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TFSqbb028395 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:28:57 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TFR7Ht006534 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:27:08 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so729838wri for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:27:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=PDaqkaWzQSryMvpNYNdr71C37+tH+cDXG8tQNaS5sE75oT+BtuTzKPi0xSy0bucNVn5Ecoc30YheBMddU5PjnfsWgRijxZxxvuk7+uArvU+MOcJo6E6KpTAIrwXRIw8Y1IL0mAMpbo8AG+ujzJksZy6anF/3VknKeA8Ui+dyxyg= Received: by 10.38.102.69 with SMTP id z69mr1867410rnb; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.71.79 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:26:59 -0400 From: Knowles Burrell To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon Fios fiber and Slackware In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e3104102907483896eaa@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410282053.16341.suzda@tampabay.rr.com> <1a3a3e3104102907483896eaa@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:48:13 -0400, Levi Bard wrote: > Looking at what you're saying, particularly about the MTU, it seems > like it's an issue with their routers, but I don't really know how to > resolve it. > > Can I ask what they're charging? And what area you're in? And do you > have an empty room for rent? :P Here is a link to the package prices http://www22.verizon.com/fiosforhome/channels/fios/root/package.asp We are only 1 of 3 areas in the country that has the service. How bout two rooms for rent? And I will do your laundry! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 29 11:38:59 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TFcxEQ021866 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:38:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9TFcx8q021865 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:38:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TFcwEQ021861 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:38:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TFcvbR029294 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:38:58 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TFcf26000828 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:38:41 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 64so648927wri for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:38:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=l15qgZYbXRDHTHbGMYD5Rjceph8YGG4yvsLdFO/aDqPD3mYL+Ma+Tyc0UMz+bxWa6X8mlQKYE9fwfOJXgn7OllseVg/sCcs0XdAm+YOyGdg761ICp8c8V1Fj5dEmQs7j0a2NscdmQUejoy2r/Aoeur/kKJrPnZS9+TcF9555i1g= Received: by 10.38.15.20 with SMTP id 20mr1054804rno; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.14 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:38:39 -0400 From: Bill Shaw To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon Fios fiber and Slackware In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e3104102907483896eaa@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410282053.16341.suzda@tampabay.rr.com> <1a3a3e3104102907483896eaa@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.451, required 6, AWL 2.45, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I believe it's $49.95 for the 15/2 Mbps service. What I'm moer interested in knowing is what kind of discount they're also giving for DirecTV. On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:48:13 -0400, Levi Bard wrote: > Looking at what you're saying, particularly about the MTU, it seems > like it's an issue with their routers, but I don't really know how to > resolve it. > > Can I ask what they're charging? And what area you're in? And do you > have an empty room for rent? :P > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 29 11:39:18 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TFdIEQ021882 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:39:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9TFdIYe021881 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:39:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TFdHEQ021877 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:39:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TFdFbd029337 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:39:17 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TFd426000995 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:39:04 -0400 Received: from ms-mss-04 (ms-mss-04-smtp [10.10.4.10]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9TFd1T4026179 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-04.tampabay.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0I6C000S7RH0I7@ms-mss-04.tampabay.rr.com> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.10.6.24] (Forwarded-For: [167.211.190.2]) by ms-mss-04.tampabay.rr.com (mshttpd); Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:39:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:39:00 -0400 From: suzda@tampabay.rr.com Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon Fios fiber and Slackware To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.74, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Levi Bard Date: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:48 am Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon Fios fiber and Slackware > Looking at what you're saying, particularly about the MTU, it seems > like it's an issue with their routers, but I don't really know how to > resolve it. > > Can I ask what they're charging? And what area you're in? And do you > have an empty room for rent? :P > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > I think that's the standard MTU that Verizon is using. They use PPPoE for authentication. I've downloaded a web100 kernel to see what the tcp parameters should be. I'll probably work on that this afternoon. The rates are 5/2 Mbps - $39.99, 15/2 Mbps - $49.99, and 30/5 Mbps - $199.99. If you have a qualifying phone service, I have the Verizon Freedom plan, you get $5 off these rates. I live in Meadow Pointe, in Wesley Chapel. The 'empty' room has 8 systems in it. Tom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 29 11:47:25 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TFlPEQ021948 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:47:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9TFlPuq021947 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:47:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TFlOEQ021943 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:47:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TFlNbX030147 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:47:24 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TFkiHt013667 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:46:44 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so733172wri for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:46:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ITcO75tKLwKJLZD2zt7HBx+BPGbaUWROlUVb/dXX6QnSorCWnoc9L7zK+9sbc9hPTeq/jYDvzkJwgJHrB8+8qgR0YUuxecsYxgNLH8u/V7N8itJUhLC0ZjqaF7I6f01A5yn4e7vODdMa/G7giBwka7yU8xXVdypw0fkWPrdBgjc= Received: by 10.54.3.65 with SMTP id 65mr424167wrc; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.42.56 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7f48492a04102908464c2b73ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:46:43 -0400 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon Fios fiber and Slackware In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410282053.16341.suzda@tampabay.rr.com> <1a3a3e3104102907483896eaa@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net My question is, where exactly is the service being provided? Is it all of tampa or just a small section? It seems that their line checker doesn't work so does anyone have a link to a service map? On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:38:39 -0400, Bill Shaw wrote: > I believe it's $49.95 for the 15/2 Mbps service. What I'm moer > interested in knowing is what kind of discount they're also giving for > DirecTV. > > > > > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:48:13 -0400, Levi Bard > wrote: > > Looking at what you're saying, particularly about the MTU, it seems > > like it's an issue with their routers, but I don't really know how to > > resolve it. > > > > Can I ask what they're charging? And what area you're in? And do you > > have an empty room for rent? :P > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 29 12:19:19 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TGJJEQ022155 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:19:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9TGJJUt022154 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:19:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TGJIEQ022150 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:19:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TGJEbT000313 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:19:18 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TGIv26012858 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:18:57 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so690697wri for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:18:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=i15zeVQlFmwVYYLx9yrOMzqYhOpu5HWRg9So91QjxIVu+LwBuNs5FEh9b9L+g9zd0k97LNJZ1Hs3sE8x3NAxb/9Gj3fiB1MOg6WIm/tAmBTYeD14o/U6TEMzUkVLLaxnvPDFNaAhynaC2pc4uQ8Ck9lAxDkfufV/n1H9hC+jJ+Q= Received: by 10.38.149.79 with SMTP id w79mr1899235rnd; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.71.79 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:18:53 -0400 From: Knowles Burrell To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon Fios fiber and Slackware In-Reply-To: <7f48492a04102908464c2b73ad@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410282053.16341.suzda@tampabay.rr.com> <1a3a3e3104102907483896eaa@mail.gmail.com> <7f48492a04102908464c2b73ad@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.038, required 6, AWL 1.86, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:46:43 -0400, Christopher Hotchkiss wrote: > My question is, where exactly is the service being provided? Is it all > of tampa or just a small section? It seems that their line checker > doesn't work so does anyone have a link to a service map? I have seen them laying cable in the Gibsonton (SP?) area, I have heard of them laying it in the Brandon area. I have also heard of people getting calls in the Sarasota/Bradonton area about signing up for the service. This has been a hot topic at work here recently everyone seems to want in on it. I have not seen a service map however nor do I have a landline phone to check the availability for myself but I have not seen them laying any fiber in the St Pete area, north or south, hopefully I am wrong about that however. > The 'empty' room has 8 systems in it. Would one more really hurt then? ;) > I believe it's $49.95 for the 15/2 Mbps service. What I'm moer > interested in knowing is what kind of discount they're also giving for > DirecTV. Does Verizon offer DirecTV? I know they have plans of offering "Cable TV" through the fiber at some point, but my friend was told it wont be any time soon. I am actually hoping this will cause Brighthouse to take notice and up speeds more and lower prices. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 29 12:38:05 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TGc5EQ022312 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:38:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9TGc5xL022311 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:38:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TGc4EQ022307 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:38:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TGc1bX002080 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:38:04 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TGba26017825 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:37:36 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so615876wri for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:37:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LZNtRJQqp5BVUZJa4PxmGBQvxfrfQNjQFjgcS/hDeYpsO10v67yUdwy+yklYkOUWmG3IuGAKC+V0WM5XsFgkT2hYyndvjYvhCDcW8q2ot1X/9eLTnoCcqhex205LR/NLplwS4xUgVIETHyJ5b4tweMf8W5Rr4Xy610g7NVB9MVs= Received: by 10.38.163.52 with SMTP id l52mr2963106rne; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.14 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:37:32 -0400 From: Bill Shaw To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon Fios fiber and Slackware In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 References: <200410282053.16341.suzda@tampabay.rr.com> <1a3a3e3104102907483896eaa@mail.gmail.com> <7f48492a04102908464c2b73ad@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.43, required 6, AWL 1.47, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9TGc4EQ022308 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Here's what I found on their site: Optional Add-Ons: DIRECTV — Additionally, as a Verizon Freedom customer, you're also eligible for savings on DIRECTV® programming. DIRECTV programming and service features access to more than 225 available channels of entertainment. DIRECTV offers channels for every member of the family and packages to fit any budget. Discounts begin with the TOTAL CHOICE® with Local Channels package which brings you even more movies, music, children's networks, family programming and local channels — over 130 channels at a great value. http://www22.verizon.com/customerhelp/cgi-bin/smarthelp.asp?env=www22&new&kb=consumer&varset_statename=FL&varset_coast=West&case=12234 The goal in offering fiber service is definately to gain more of a market share and if they can help push that along by offering discounts to remove cable companies completely from households all the better. Personally I've been using satelllite for 2+ years now and would never switch back to cable tv. If Verizon can package my local/long distance/internet and get me a further discount on DirecTV(which I already use) it gives me more incentive to drop Brighthouse as my internet provider. On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:18:53 -0400, Knowles Burrell wrote: > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:46:43 -0400, Christopher Hotchkiss > wrote: > > My question is, where exactly is the service being provided? Is it all > > of tampa or just a small section? It seems that their line checker > > doesn't work so does anyone have a link to a service map? > > > I have seen them laying cable in the Gibsonton (SP?) area, I have > heard of them laying it in the Brandon area. I have also heard of > people getting calls in the Sarasota/Bradonton area about signing up > for the service. This has been a hot topic at work here recently > everyone seems to want in on it. I have not seen a service map however > nor do I have a landline phone to check the availability for myself > but I have not seen them laying any fiber in the St Pete area, north > or south, hopefully I am wrong about that however. > > > The 'empty' room has 8 systems in it. > > Would one more really hurt then? ;) > > > I believe it's $49.95 for the 15/2 Mbps service. What I'm moer > > interested in knowing is what kind of discount they're also giving for > > DirecTV. > > Does Verizon offer DirecTV? I know they have plans of offering "Cable > TV" through the fiber at some point, but my friend was told it wont be > any time soon. I am actually hoping this will cause Brighthouse to > take notice and up speeds more and lower prices. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 29 13:12:46 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9THCkEQ022545 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:12:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9THCkgk022544 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:12:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9THCiEQ022540 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:12:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9THChbT005218 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:12:44 -0400 Received: from mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.228]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9THBiHt012023 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:11:45 -0400 Received: from [24.144.85.166] (helo=mail.dkoobs.com) by mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CNaHw-0006pu-DB for slug@nks.net; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:11:44 -0700 Received: from www.dkoobs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dkoobs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 25F4D70C95B for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66.15.89.64 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dkoobs) by www.dkoobs.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <13758.66.15.89.64.1099070046.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> In-Reply-To: References: <200410282053.16341.suzda@tampabay.rr.com> <1a3a3e3104102907483896eaa@mail.gmail.com> <7f48492a04102908464c2b73ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Verizon Fios fiber and Slackware From: "Doug Koobs" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.831, required 5, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83) X-MailScanner-From: dkoobs@dkoobs.com X-ELNK-Trace: 864b91cd9a0bd51694f5150ab1c16ac08f4233f47979de26ec509c17df6787e8255b348f39c5808d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.85.166 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.688, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9THCjEQ022541 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I have seen them laying cable in the Gibsonton (SP?) area, I have > heard of them laying it in the Brandon area. I have also heard of > people getting calls in the Sarasota/Bradonton area about signing up > for the service. This has been a hot topic at work here recently > everyone seems to want in on it. I have not seen a service map however > nor do I have a landline phone to check the availability for myself > but I have not seen them laying any fiber in the St Pete area, north > or south, hopefully I am wrong about that however. I called Verizon to inquire about when the fiber would be available in my neighborhood (Pinellas Park) and was told within 2 or 3 months. I find that hard to believe, as I have not seen any fiber being laid anywhere around here... But I can dream... Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 29 15:45:26 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TJjQEQ023574 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:45:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9TJjQAF023573 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:45:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TJjPEQ023568 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:45:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TJjObT018376 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:45:25 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TJiu26007517 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:44:56 -0400 Received: from digitalhermit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A03C43 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 12.43.115.206 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46291.12.43.115.206.1099079133.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] Somewhat OT: Steve Wozniak speaks From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.688, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Not exactly Linux related, but may be of interest to some folks: My local LUG, flux.org, in cooperation with a bunch of other local groups has been able to get Steve Wozniak to speak. The location is just south of Ft. Lauderdale so it's a leisurly drive for you folks. Hope to see you there if you can make it. ------------------------------ Original Message ------------------------------ Subject: New event posted From: no-reply@flux.org Date: Thu, October 28, 2004 9:12 pm To: kwan@digitalhermit.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A new event has been posted on the The Florida Linux User Exchange website: Date: Sunday November 14th Time: 4:30 PM Place: Nova Southeastern University Steve Wozniak Event! Steve Wozniak is coming!!! Since a group of volunteers worked hard on a press release, it can convey the details... FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE October 27, 2004 Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple Computer company and designer of the first personal computer, will speak about his life and experiences during the computer revolution at a public event at Nova Southeastern University on Sunday, November 14. The name of the event: "Woz at the Shore". Steve Wozniak designed the Apple I and II computers, and along with Steve Jobs founded the Apple Computer orporation. He is the only person to ever design both the hardware and software for a computer platform that became commercially successful, and he is a strong advocate for using computers in education. Mr. Wozniak was awarded the National Medal of Technology by President Ronald Reagan in 1985, and is the recipient of numerous additional honors. Mr. Wozniak has graciously agreed to extend a South Florida trip to speak at this event. Woz At the Shore takes place on Sunday November 14th from 4:30pm to 7:00pm in the Carl DeSantis atrium and in the Miniaci Theater at Nova Southeastern University's main campus. This is a two-part event. The first part, which takes place in the Carl DeSantis building atrium, is a table session and social hour with refreshments. Tables will be staffed by members of all the technology user groups in the region. These volunteer groups, run by both professional and amateur computer users, are dedicated to various aspects of technology. They offer educational opportunities, contacts within their various fields, and even technical assistance. This event will allow the public to discover technology groups they may not have known existed. The second part of the event is Mr. Wozniak's talk, which will be held in the adjacent Miniaci theater. This event is free and open to the public. Anyone interested in attending is requested to register at http://www.wozattheshore.org URL: http://www.flux.org/events.php?id=25 You received this message because you are subscribed to receive alerts. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 29 17:55:04 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TLt4EQ024438 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:55:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9TLt34Z024437 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:55:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TLt3EQ024433 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:55:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TLt0br029023 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:55:02 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TLoX26009722 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:50:33 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9TLoVZn029474 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410292150.i9TLoVZn029474@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: OT - CAD vendors advising customers to outsource--outsourcing works, when limited Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:49:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <1099018769.2609.40.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Thread-Index: AcS9ZHMuMepwo3bIRQ+V7EGJhpewLgAlByxQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.464, required 6, AWL 1.44, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>Outsourcing is here. Fighting it does no good. Fighting it is *exactly* what we should do. Not by passing laws, of dumb things like that. But through increased productivity. We have to earn our higher pay. To say we can't compete means we might as well roll over. >>While that _is_ its forte, it is applicable to aspects of _both_ civil >>and electrical, where appropriate. Civil engineering on Pro/E? That's pretty funny. Pro/E is strong in machine design only. That's what it's designed for. AutoCAD is a joke in that field, compared to Pro/E - Agreed. But Pro/E would be a joke to a Civil engineer, Architect, and for GIS. AutoCAD can be a platform for all of these, and that's why it's like a Swiss Army Knife. But if you compare AutoCAD to ANY specialized app, it loses. Just like a Swiss Army knife is not as good as a screwdriver. But that doesn't mean AutoCAD sucks, it means it's a different type of tool. I did CAD/CAM/GIS consulting for 15 years. Every product has its place. Example" Compare Pro/E to Rhino for car body design. Rhino blows it away. Rhino is fantastic - like modeling clay on a PC. Pro/E simply can't do that class of surfaces. BTW, Rhino is $795, easy to learn, and runs on a PC. Pro/E is several thousands and takes months to become productive. http://www.rhino3d.com >>It's not getting its "butt kicked" by competitors. I disagree. They've been losing market share for the last 5 or 6 years. But they are starting to turn it around. They only lost $98 million last year, and actually show a profit for this year. http://www.caddigest.com/subjects/pro_engineer/select/011602_cadreport.htm >From what I've seen, and dealers I've known, PTC has a habit of treating their dealers badly. Autodesk has done the same, and worse. I dislike companies the screw over my friends. Example: http://www.caddigest.com/subjects/pro_engineer/select/grabowski_rand_sues.ht m >>They used to have another in IntelliCAD until Visio bought them out. No, Visio _made_ IntelliCAD a competitor. Softdesk started development of IntelliCAD, but Autodesk bought them. IntelliCAD was sold by Autodesk after the Justice Department forced them, and then Visio purchased IntelliCAD, and finished developing it. There was quite a fight between Visio and Autodesk for a while. After MS purchased Visio, MS pushed the product into their "shared source" experiment. >>Then Microsoft bought Visio, resulting in the death of all non-Windows ports I don't recall any non-Windows ports. I'm not here to defend Autodesk - far from it. I knew the founders, but I don't like what the company turned into, and how they put over 90% of their hard working dealers out of business (from over 3,000 to about 150). But PTC has also been a stinker, and a big one. In the industry, it was well known that PTC would try to take any order direct if it involved 3 seats or more of Pro/E. That sucked. SolidWorks (when I was a dealer) never took any order away from a dealer. You were treated with respect while Autodesk and PTC would crap on you. Most of the dealers I knew dumped Pro/E, and switched to SolidWorks. That's when PTC started hurting. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bryan J. Smith Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:00 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: OT - CAD vendors advising customers to outsource--outsourcing works, when limited On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 20:04, Ken Elliott wrote: > Brian, you might want to re-read my post. I'm afraid you missed the point. > "PTC executives boasted to financial analysts that they are advising > companies to replace $100K/yr American engineers with $20K/yr Indian > engineers." > It says PTC is telling their _CUSTOMERS_ to outsource. It's bad > enough the PTC and other CAD companies outsource, but suggesting to > customers that they do so is distasteful to me. Thus I referred to this as "crap". Outsourcing is here. Fighting it does no good. You must reduce the argument to what outsourcing does work and what does not work. In other words, you must fight business with business. Certain types of outsourcing is a risk to business -- especially as you approach details that are more "client aspects" like support, user interfaces, business model, accounting features, etc... More in the IT space, security, ethics, etc... are also key no-nos for outsourcing. The problem with American businesses is that they tend to only look at 3 year savings and no further. That's why they lock their companies into Hostageware, finance and other considerations that often result in businesses failing within 5 years of conception or major change in direction. If I can reduce the argument to risk, I can advise companies where risk is and isn't worth the savings. When it comes to outsourcing, > "civil engineering application" Hmmm.... That would be inRoads, > EaglePoint or ArcInfo, right? :-) AutoCAD? I'm confused that you would > compare the two. Isn't it a bit like comparing PageMaker to Word? Yes. The problem is that when people say "CAD," they only think of AutoCAD. The "CAD" space is not only beyond that, but you have to also consider applications in the "CAM" and even "EDA" space as well. > AutoCAD is easily the best all around drafting package there is. For 2D, I agree. But _not_ for 3D, the approach is very, very different. > It's the Swiss army knife of CAD. It does 3D, but it is not a strength. Exactly. > But there are so many plug-ins, you can do almost anything. Just like MS IE, you can add the capability, but I'd rather use Mozilla where most of what I need is already built-in. Sure, since MS IE is far more popular, so there are lots and lots of stuff I can get that I can't find for Mozilla. But the reality is that the MS IE + plug-in approach is rather limited, compared to capabilities inherit to Mozilla. So if you want those capabilities, you're better off with Mozilla. I think you pegged this also with the Word Processing (MS Word) v. Desktop Publishing (PageMaker) comment. The problem is that so many _only_ known Word Processing, and that's why far too many people don't even consider DTP -- especially when it is far more applicable to solving the problem. Just like the in-house Microsoft support at a Fortune 20 company told my supervisor, "He shouldn't be using MS Word for this documentation, he should be using Adobe FrameMaker. Even we use FrameMaker to write our MS Office documentation." > Pro/E is a solids modeling system purely focused on mechanical design. Correct, and far better for 3D aspects. But saying it only does mechanical design is simply not true. While that _is_ its forte, it is applicable to aspects of _both_ civil and electrical, where appropriate. But most people don't realize that. They try to stick with AutoCAD because that's all they know, and throw add-ons at it when Pro/E might be a better approach. > It's like comparing a Jaguar F1 car to a Honda Accord. Totally > different applications. No, it's like comparing a pickup to a Semi Tractor Trailer. Sometimes the pickup will do, and you can throw things in the back, but sometimes you needed the Tractor Trailer in the first place. > And just like Jaguar in F1, PTC is getting its but kicked by its > competitors. It's not getting its "butt kicked" by competitors. It solves the problem for CAD/CAM in ways AutoCAD cannot -- especially in 3D space. Because even Microsoft uses Adobe FrameMaker for things that MS Word can't do (or does not do well). AutoCAD is _not_ the end-all, be-all, it is just most popular for most 2D applications. It is severely limited in functionality for more CAD/CAM applications. And CAD/CAM and EDA are were the "Linux" deployments are -- largely the mechanical and electrical space. They are the "CAD" in those environments. > PTC should be more worried about Catia at the high end and SolidWorks > at the low end. And AutoDesk has its competitors as well -- Bentley Systems for one. They used to have another in IntelliCAD until Visio bought them out. Then Microsoft bought Visio, resulting in the death of all non-Windows ports and adoption of VB to replace AutoLisp while IntelliCAD was turned into a "Shared Source" type project. [ Ironically there is one licensee, BrisCAD, who makes sure their IntelliCAD version runs unmodified on the WINE run-time. They state they will release a native WINELIB version in the future, but I seriously doubt that because Microsoft would yank their license. ] -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 29 18:59:42 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TMxgEQ024856 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:59:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9TMxgm3024855 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:59:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9TMxfEQ024851 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:59:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TMxac7032402 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:59:38 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TM4oi4017940 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:04:50 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9TM4lB7011178 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410292204.i9TM4lB7011178@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: OT - CAD vendors advising customers to outsource --better analogy Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:03:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <1099020850.2609.77.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Thread-Index: AcS9aUdhIyYVWkXcRV+ejDXv5LhTpAAmQH2Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.467, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, SARE_SUB_BETTER 1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>It's like comparing a truck (or even a hovercraft) to an aircraft. Ok, I like that better. But that's the exact point I was making. The F1 car or Aircraft is far superior in the _right_ application. But the Accord or Truck is more general purpose, easier to learn, cheaper to own, and effect for many (not all) applications. The classic specialized tool v. general purpose tool issue. I just can't suggest making broad statements that one is better than the other. I agree that most people think CAD=AutoCAD. That certainly annoys the other CAD vendors, much like the blank stare I get when I say Linux. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bryan J. Smith Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:34 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: OT - CAD vendors advising customers to outsource --better analogy On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 20:04, Ken Elliott wrote: > It's like comparing a Jaguar F1 car to a Honda Accord. Totally > different applications. On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 22:59, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > No, it's like comparing a pickup to a Semi Tractor Trailer. Sometimes > the pickup will do, and you can throw things in the back, but > sometimes you needed the Tractor Trailer in the first place. Ack, that's still not a good relationship of 2D to 3D. It's like comparing a truck (or even a hovercraft) to an aircraft. The 2D truck is more popular, there are more variants to do more jobs, often carrying more of a load for less cost. But in many cases, only the 3D moving aircraft will do, even though its is lesser used, you have fewer options and other details, with a higher initial cost, it is more cost effective for many jobs than the 2D truck. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 29 23:31:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9U3VHEQ026648 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:31:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9U3VHpA026647 for slug-track29; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:31:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9U3VGEQ026643 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:31:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9U3V9dF013093 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:31:16 -0400 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9TNlveX004468 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:47:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB45D12346 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23916-01-3 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [199.227.193.134] (p199-227-193-134.max.acun.net [199.227.193.134]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F71412335 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41819152.8030907@acun.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:39:46 -0400 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Back up emails in Mozilla (MEPIS) References: <41811FF6.9010201@acun.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.508, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 0.75, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net John wrote: > > Take a look in your user directory for > .mozilla// > > In other words, there is a directory which is named with a cryptic > bunch of letters ending with an extension of .slt. If you copy that > entire directory, you will have all your mail and most of the > settings for Moz. > > The place to find this directory is /home//.mozilla/ profile name> > > At least, that's the usual setup. Hi John! Sigh - not this time . . . Can't even see extentions in this one. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 30 07:52:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UBqDEQ030216 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:52:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9UBqDti030215 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:52:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UBqCEQ030211 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:52:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UBqBbL012328 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:52:12 -0400 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UBpxuc023016 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:51:59 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.153] (pcp03210079pcs.venice01.fl.comcast.net[68.56.30.241]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20041030115158012009mii4e> (Authid: maury0324); Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:51:58 +0000 Message-ID: <41838067.3080000@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:52:07 -0400 From: Maurice Wilson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040819 Debian/1.7.2-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Back up emails in Mozilla (MEPIS) References: <41811FF6.9010201@acun.com> <41819152.8030907@acun.com> In-Reply-To: <41819152.8030907@acun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.561, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Pete Theisen wrote: > John wrote: > > >> >> Take a look in your user directory for >> .mozilla// >> >> In other words, there is a directory which is named with a cryptic >> bunch of letters ending with an extension of .slt. If you copy that >> entire directory, you will have all your mail and most of the >> settings for Moz. >> >> The place to find this directory is /home//.mozilla/> profile name> >> >> At least, that's the usual setup. > > Hi John! > > Sigh - not this time . . . > > Can't even see extentions in this one. > > Regards, > > Pete > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > This is how i do it,in my file manager (konqueor) home directory goto view and click show hidden files. you will then see a mozilla folder click mozilla\default\xxxx.slt\mail\Local Folders. Back up the Local Folder. When you install your new system create your new email accounts in mozilla mail and then copy your backed up Local Flder and paste it into your new mozliia mail and let it overwrite the one that is there. It works for me. Maury ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 30 10:33:04 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UEX4EQ031290 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:33:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9UEX4Ki031289 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:33:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UEX3EQ031285 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:33:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UEX2bN023823 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:33:02 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UEWj57012543 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:32:45 -0400 Received: from billspc (87-152.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.152.87]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9UEWhB7008588 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410301432.i9UEWhB7008588@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bill Glidden" To: Subject: [SLUG] GUI development tool Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:32:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01D7_01C4BE6B.CB56D4A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcS+jVIqQ8n0LjvMQUaPqusnk0B0dw== X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.775, required 6, AWL -0.07, BAYES_00 -4.90, HTML_70_80 0.10, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01D7_01C4BE6B.CB56D4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to develop a GUI application under Linux. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 30 11:06:10 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UF69EQ031513 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:06:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9UF69vM031512 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:06:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UF68EQ031508 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:06:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UF68bL026199 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:06:08 -0400 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id i9UF60uc025269 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:06:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 9183 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2004 10:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO adonix.typedef.org) (68.56.24.167) by typedef.org with SMTP; 30 Oct 2004 10:42:15 -0000 Received: from flint ([192.168.2.4] ident=jcopenha) by adonix.typedef.org with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CNuo0-0008NX-5N for slug@nks.net; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:06:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] GUI development tool From: jcopenha To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410301432.i9UEWhB7008588@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200410301432.i9UEWhB7008588@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Message-Id: <1099148908.6080.4.camel@adonix> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:08:28 -0400 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9UF69EQ031509 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 10:32, Bill Glidden wrote: > I want to develop a GUI application under Linux. Being new to GUI > development, I¢m looking for input on tools, libraries, etc. The two dominant GUI toolkits are GTK+ (GNOME) and Qt (KDE). The GTK+ toolkit is C, there are multiple wrappers and language bindings to do it in C++,python, etc. I believe Glade is used as the GUI designer for this. Qt is all C++ with a precompiler called 'moc'. I imagine there are other language bindings for it also. For this there is Qt Designer. I haven't used either so I can't really say which is easier, but that should get you started. Then there is always Mono and Gtk#, but I don't know of a visual GUI designer for it. Jason ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 30 11:48:43 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UFmhEQ031810 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:48:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9UFmhkF031809 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:48:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UFmfEQ031805 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:48:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UFmfbL028804 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:48:41 -0400 Received: from pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.252]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UFd057030425 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:39:04 -0400 Received: from 209-165-12.74.lightspeed.net ([209.165.12.74] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CNvJi-00004J-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:38:59 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: SOTL To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Mounting Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:52:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200410301152.04538.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.806, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9UFmgEQ031806 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi All In the last Dunedin Paul was so gracious to help with my crashed laptop. Thanks to Paul I can now boot the computer into root and as root I can send/receive email which will be the easy to transfer the data I am trying to recover. For those of you who have forgotten, didn care, or did not read the previous set of e-mail I crashed a Mandrake 9.1 system by visiting some web site which apparently had a java script which trashed /home. Attempts by myself to recover by reinstalling the system failed with such attempts finally destroying system boot. Paul was so gracious as to modify the boot such that system now boots directly but /home is still obviated. Currently I am stilltrying to extract critical file data from a directory I called Common_Data. As originally set up partitions were as follows per cat /etc/fstab /dev/hda5 /home/trunk/Common_Dara vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 /dev/hda6 /boot ext3 noatime 1 2 /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/hda8 /home ext3 /dev/hda9 / ext3 noatime 1 1 /dev/hda10 /home/trunk/Linux_Data reiserfs notail,noatime 1 2 /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 The following attempts were made by Paul and Myself to mount /home/trunk/Common_Data First Paul attempted to mount this partition under /mnt/data and then I attempted to mount it under /mnt/Common_Data by use of the following command: mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/data mount -t auto /dev/hda5 /mnt/data mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/Common_Data mount -t auto /dev/hda5 /mnt/Common_Data The following error message was received: Mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5, or too many mounted file systems. Does anyone have any suggestions as how to proceed to mount this partition so that the data may be extrated. Thanks Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 30 11:56:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UFuHEQ031880 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:56:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9UFuGt1031879 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:56:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UFuGEQ031875 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:56:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UFuCbL029651 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:56:16 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UFta57002359 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:55:36 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so33899wri for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:55:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=nlejOWL1PcH7Xaj85E+9xBabuB5iOBcXH4MMbhk/jHGSwUKkx11JCsKVF/Nso4+6E/KuFUJPj203Bdjdb9AynJDuJii0pgp1RP+YmGb7Vo175WoXdwXRmuxiltWDpdf3W1JHoC1qj08up8hAptw2ajD+fW/LXwnzbFNyHxJrSl8= Received: by 10.54.47.9 with SMTP id u9mr18533wru; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.42.56 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7f48492a041030085553fba391@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:55:35 -0400 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] GUI development tool In-Reply-To: <1099148908.6080.4.camel@adonix> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410301432.i9UEWhB7008588@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> <1099148908.6080.4.camel@adonix> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net There are a TON of gui toolkits out there. Gtk, used with c, c++, perl, python, ... many language bindings Gtk#, used with C#,VB.NET, gui builder is Glade. Comes with Monodevelop Qt, used with c++, Swing, used with java, warning SLOW WxWindows, used with just about everything, very crossplatform They are all easy to work with, it just takes two things to do so. 1. A good project, ie. one that is really suited to a GUI. 2. A lot of time, it takes a lot to get used to the event based programming model that is the gui. Personally I find WxWindows very easy but thats just me. It all comes down to your needs and your experience. A word of wisdom, OO is the easiest way to go, and perl is the easiest of them all. It just comes down to which documentation you wish to sift through. On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:08:28 -0400, jcopenha wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 10:32, Bill Glidden wrote: > > > > I want to develop a GUI application under Linux. Being new to GUI > > development, I'm looking for input on tools, libraries, etc. > > The two dominant GUI toolkits are GTK+ (GNOME) and Qt (KDE). The GTK+ > toolkit is C, there are multiple wrappers and language bindings to do it > in C++,python, etc. I believe Glade is used as the GUI designer for > this. Qt is all C++ with a precompiler called 'moc'. I imagine there > are other language bindings for it also. For this there is Qt > Designer. I haven't used either so I can't really say which is easier, > but that should get you started. > > Then there is always Mono and Gtk#, but I don't know of a visual GUI > designer for it. > > Jason > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 30 11:59:02 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UFx2EQ031899 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:59:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9UFx1Ir031898 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:59:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UFx0EQ031890 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:59:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UFwwbZ029851 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:59:00 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UFvtuc011052 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:57:56 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so33942wri for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:57:55 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=gsoeqpI9jeR2vEVZUBfrB8hD/+hW+bKTgMqr9fId0NW4NBVoStTRAuJVwSYe2ZWYhE3RLj5IKHbI6bYHiNiGvqT6O01vUOl9pI0WqshqLQMQ9ZD8CAPCGqhXgTGQcKnpcvn/nfokpw8pUAPPgti/bi68nE9psWHNwdIYDFlA2xs= Received: by 10.54.39.26 with SMTP id m26mr18464wrm; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.42.56 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7f48492a04103008573f40dbb3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:57:55 -0400 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mounting In-Reply-To: <200410301152.04538.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410301152.04538.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net It could be that your kernel doesnt have support for vfat anymore, are you trying this from knoppix? Or are you using the recovery kernel? You also could try 'fsck'. On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:52:04 -0400, SOTL wrote: > Hi All > > In the last Dunedin Paul was so gracious to help with my crashed laptop. > Thanks to Paul I can now boot the computer into root and as root I can > send/receive email which will be the easy to transfer the data I am trying to > recover. > > For those of you who have forgotten, didn care, or did not read the previous > set of e-mail I crashed a Mandrake 9.1 system by visiting some web site which > apparently had a java script which trashed /home. Attempts by myself to > recover by reinstalling the system failed with such attempts finally > destroying system boot. Paul was so gracious as to modify the boot such that > system now boots directly but /home is still obviated. > > Currently I am stilltrying to extract critical file data from a directory I > called Common_Data. > > As originally set up partitions were as follows per cat /etc/fstab > /dev/hda5 /home/trunk/Common_Dara vfat > iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 > /dev/hda6 /boot ext3 noatime 1 2 > /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/hda8 /home ext3 > /dev/hda9 / ext3 noatime 1 1 > /dev/hda10 /home/trunk/Linux_Data reiserfs notail,noatime 1 2 > /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 > > The following attempts were made by Paul and Myself to mount > /home/trunk/Common_Data > First Paul attempted to mount this partition under /mnt/data and then I > attempted to mount it under /mnt/Common_Data by use of the following command: > mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/data > mount -t auto /dev/hda5 /mnt/data > mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/Common_Data > mount -t auto /dev/hda5 /mnt/Common_Data > > The following error message was received: > Mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5, or too many > mounted file systems. > > Does anyone have any suggestions as how to proceed to mount this partition so > that the data may be extrated. > > Thanks > Frank > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 30 12:01:45 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UG1jEQ031940 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:01:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9UG1jV4031939 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:01:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UG1iEQ031935 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:01:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UG1Nbd030052 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:01:44 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [66.252.134.3]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UG0T57003817 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:00:34 -0400 Received: from pcp03955260pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.56.208] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CNveU-00023m-83 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:00:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] GUI development tool From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200410301432.i9UEWhB7008588@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200410301432.i9UEWhB7008588@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ZObHxhfuwav/95zwzGl3" Organization: I.T. Are Belonging To Us Message-Id: <1099152009.28868.7.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:00:09 -0400 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.506, required 6, AWL 0.69, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-ZObHxhfuwav/95zwzGl3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 10:32, Bill Glidden wrote: > I want to develop a GUI application under Linux. Being new to GUI > development, I=E2=80=99m looking for input on tools, libraries, etc. If you are putting the GUI on a perl script, you can give TK widgets a whirl. (Dodging hurled objects.) O'reilly has the ostrich book dedicated to it. I slapped a few GUI's on some PERL scripts I had written and, for me, it made GTK and QT much easier to understand and learn. The Logan --=20 11:50:01 up 33 days, 13:03, 3 users, load average: 0.09, 0.39, 0.72 May nothing huge ever fall on your head. -- Chicken Little ICQ: 72101412 AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Jabber: logantheclever Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-ZObHxhfuwav/95zwzGl3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBg7qJ3OecGqSbkyMRAqolAKDMDI40VOe4Cij4qgKLZXY73wrQ4QCgjfIO 4ROP7havjViAM6NYE2WUSnI= =gRls -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ZObHxhfuwav/95zwzGl3-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 30 12:47:53 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UGlrEQ032269 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:47:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9UGlreT032268 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:47:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UGloEQ032264 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:47:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UGlfcn032475 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:47:50 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UGDnuc018435 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:13:49 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so34281wri for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:13:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=iaZUrPl2ZgQkqf60ERoXPG+u3cCXA/VyZ446zh3C5PRhDJlsMnLSMJGGTL8ec/5OvqIBrISN9aAHZu6fPZwSi9n0y3YMGCf2eFor5IlPHPVxfPYO3XZVzF9HKBsJER6yZ58c66pfvGqZj2WWsLS4nTNT/D1h9iU8ECdcMrumajs= Received: by 10.54.27.11 with SMTP id a11mr21163wra; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.42.56 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7f48492a04103009135ff8caa1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:13:48 -0400 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] GUI development tool In-Reply-To: <1099152009.28868.7.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410301432.i9UEWhB7008588@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> <1099152009.28868.7.camel@sirus> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Oops I knew I forgot a toolkit. On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:00:09 -0400, Logan Tygart wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 10:32, Bill Glidden wrote: > > I want to develop a GUI application under Linux. Being new to GUI > > development, I'm looking for input on tools, libraries, etc. > > If you are putting the GUI on a perl script, you can give TK widgets a > whirl. (Dodging hurled objects.) O'reilly has the ostrich book > dedicated to it. I slapped a few GUI's on some PERL scripts I had > written and, for me, it made GTK and QT much easier to understand and > learn. > > The Logan > -- > 11:50:01 up 33 days, 13:03, 3 users, load average: 0.09, 0.39, 0.72 > May nothing huge ever fall on your head. -- Chicken Little > ICQ: 72101412 AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Jabber: logantheclever > Registered Linux User: 277727 > > > -- Christopher Hotchkiss (813)960-9273 http://www.post227.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 30 15:52:36 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UJqaEQ001037 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:52:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9UJqaoW001036 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:52:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UJqZEQ001032 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:52:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UJqZbN015007 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:52:35 -0400 Received: from pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.249]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UJqP57004796 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:52:25 -0400 Received: from 209-165-14.173.lightspeed.net ([209.165.14.173] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pop-a065d05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CNzGw-0004ds-00; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:52:23 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net, Christopher Hotchkiss Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mounting Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:05:28 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200410301152.04538.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <7f48492a04103008573f40dbb3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7f48492a04103008573f40dbb3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200410301605.28399.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.806, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9UJqaEQ001033 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Actually this is Mandrake 9.1 being ran as root. On Saturday 30 October 2004 11:57 am, Christopher Hotchkiss wrote: > It could be that your kernel doesnt have support for vfat anymore, are > you trying this from knoppix? No > Or are you using the recovery kernel? Not sure > You also could try 'fsck'. Warning message: Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause Severe filesystem damage. Do you want to continue (y/n)? Action aborted by myself by use of No answer. Sorry can not risk the potential failure. Also I have tried to reinstall Mandrake which then hangs up on /home partition. So that is not an option. Installation abborted due to hangup. Thanks Frank > > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:52:04 -0400, SOTL wrote: > > Hi All > > > > In the last Dunedin Paul was so gracious to help with my crashed laptop. > > Thanks to Paul I can now boot the computer into root and as root I can > > send/receive email which will be the easy to transfer the data I am > > trying to recover. > > > > For those of you who have forgotten, didn care, or did not read the > > previous set of e-mail I crashed a Mandrake 9.1 system by visiting some > > web site which apparently had a java script which trashed /home. Attempts > > by myself to recover by reinstalling the system failed with such attempts > > finally destroying system boot. Paul was so gracious as to modify the > > boot such that system now boots directly but /home is still obviated. > > > > Currently I am stilltrying to extract critical file data from a directory > > I called Common_Data. > > > > As originally set up partitions were as follows per cat /etc/fstab > > /dev/hda5 /home/trunk/Common_Dara vfat > > iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 > > /dev/hda6 /boot ext3 noatime 1 2 > > /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 > > /dev/hda8 /home ext3 > > /dev/hda9 / ext3 noatime 1 1 > > /dev/hda10 /home/trunk/Linux_Data reiserfs notail,noatime 1 2 > > /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 > > > > The following attempts were made by Paul and Myself to mount > > /home/trunk/Common_Data > > First Paul attempted to mount this partition under /mnt/data and then I > > attempted to mount it under /mnt/Common_Data by use of the following > > command: mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/data > > mount -t auto /dev/hda5 /mnt/data > > mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/Common_Data > > mount -t auto /dev/hda5 /mnt/Common_Data > > > > The following error message was received: > > Mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5, or too > > many mounted file systems. > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as how to proceed to mount this > > partition so that the data may be extrated. > > > > Thanks > > Frank > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 30 16:41:56 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UKfuEQ001363 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:41:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9UKfuBP001362 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:41:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UKftEQ001358 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:41:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UKfsbZ017779 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:41:55 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UKQt57018845 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:26:56 -0400 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9UKQqlM027234 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200410302026.i9UKQqlM027234@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Mounting Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:25:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <200410301605.28399.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcS+u474qLRnoc8iSEmbVpU0qB+/HwAAsvQg X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.503, required 6, AWL 1.40, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > As originally set up partitions were as follows per cat /etc/fstab > > /dev/hda5 /home/trunk/Common_Dara vfat Any chance that you've lost a lower numbered partition, and your Common_Data partition has changed? In other words, it might now be /dev/hda4 or /dev/hda3? Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of SOTL Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 4:05 PM To: slug@nks.net; Christopher Hotchkiss Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mounting Actually this is Mandrake 9.1 being ran as root. On Saturday 30 October 2004 11:57 am, Christopher Hotchkiss wrote: > It could be that your kernel doesnt have support for vfat anymore, are > you trying this from knoppix? No > Or are you using the recovery kernel? Not sure > You also could try 'fsck'. Warning message: Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause Severe filesystem damage. Do you want to continue (y/n)? Action aborted by myself by use of No answer. Sorry can not risk the potential failure. Also I have tried to reinstall Mandrake which then hangs up on /home partition. So that is not an option. Installation abborted due to hangup. Thanks Frank > > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:52:04 -0400, SOTL wrote: > > Hi All > > > > In the last Dunedin Paul was so gracious to help with my crashed laptop. > > Thanks to Paul I can now boot the computer into root and as root I > > can send/receive email which will be the easy to transfer the data I > > am trying to recover. > > > > For those of you who have forgotten, didn care, or did not read the > > previous set of e-mail I crashed a Mandrake 9.1 system by visiting > > some web site which apparently had a java script which trashed > > /home. Attempts by myself to recover by reinstalling the system > > failed with such attempts finally destroying system boot. Paul was > > so gracious as to modify the boot such that system now boots directly but /home is still obviated. > > > > Currently I am stilltrying to extract critical file data from a > > directory I called Common_Data. > > > > As originally set up partitions were as follows per cat /etc/fstab > > /dev/hda5 /home/trunk/Common_Dara vfat > > iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 > > /dev/hda6 /boot ext3 noatime 1 2 > > /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 > > /dev/hda8 /home ext3 > > /dev/hda9 / ext3 noatime 1 1 > > /dev/hda10 /home/trunk/Linux_Data reiserfs notail,noatime 1 2 > > /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 > > > > The following attempts were made by Paul and Myself to mount > > /home/trunk/Common_Data First Paul attempted to mount this partition > > under /mnt/data and then I attempted to mount it under > > /mnt/Common_Data by use of the following > > command: mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/data mount -t auto /dev/hda5 > > /mnt/data mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/Common_Data mount -t auto > > /dev/hda5 /mnt/Common_Data > > > > The following error message was received: > > Mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5, or too > > many mounted file systems. > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as how to proceed to mount this > > partition so that the data may be extrated. > > > > Thanks > > Frank > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 30 19:05:18 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UN5IEQ002325 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:05:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9UN5IRc002324 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:05:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UN4tEQ002315 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:04:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UN4bbN028273 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:04:55 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [66.252.134.3]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UN4Ma0031319 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:04:26 -0400 Received: from pcp03955260pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.56.208] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CO2Gf-0004zH-2q for slug@nks.net; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:04:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] GUI development tool From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <7f48492a04103009135ff8caa1@mail.gmail.com> References: <200410301432.i9UEWhB7008588@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> <1099152009.28868.7.camel@sirus> <7f48492a04103009135ff8caa1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-urmC+5s8UqTmAMdxow4Y" Organization: I.T. Are Belonging To Us Message-Id: <1099177440.28868.9.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:04:01 -0400 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.547, required 6, AWL 0.65, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-urmC+5s8UqTmAMdxow4Y Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 12:13, Christopher Hotchkiss top posted: > Oops I knew I forgot a toolkit. >=20 And you top post! --=20 19:00:01 up 33 days, 20:13, 3 users, load average: 0.22, 0.22, 0.35 I've seen these high-tech Japanese toilets before on TV. -- Matt Moen, SLUG= List ICQ: 72101412 AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Jabber: logantheclever Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-urmC+5s8UqTmAMdxow4Y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBhB3g3OecGqSbkyMRAjW6AJ9/+E0T6PmBgQGEMetaRpmhbHa6vACgmZto lU0KMKhCUFD6eFljmVSBaWw= =b1fW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-urmC+5s8UqTmAMdxow4Y-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 30 19:42:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UNgFEQ002596 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:42:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9UNgF5Y002595 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:42:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9UNgFEQ002591 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:42:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UNgBbf030813 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:42:14 -0400 Received: from server109.midphase.com (server109.midphase.com [66.225.255.53]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9UNfJa0008868 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:41:20 -0400 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.92.11.65] helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by server109.midphase.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CO2qP-0008PY-Qx for slug@nks.net; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:41:14 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] GUI development tool Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:41:10 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <200410301432.i9UEWhB7008588@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> <7f48492a04103009135ff8caa1@mail.gmail.com> <1099177440.28868.9.camel@sirus> In-Reply-To: <1099177440.28868.9.camel@sirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410301941.10747.steve@szmidt.org> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server109.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - szmidt.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.948, required 6, AWL 1.25, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 30 October 2004 07:04 pm, Logan Tygart wrote: > On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 12:13, Christopher Hotchkiss top posted: > > Oops I knew I forgot a toolkit. > > > And you top post! Yes, this was a "nice" feature MS brought to the party. You can now choose to top post automatically! Before that it was pretty much agreed to be a bad thing. Only a minority would think of top posting. Then MANY newbies came online and things went top over tincan. Maybe the message is that if you got a good thing don't bring MS and newbies to it. : ) I know a few places that try their best to follow that idea. I know I try to keep MS out of it if I can... : ) So what was this thread? I love Quanta and KDevelop! -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 30 20:44:27 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9V0iREQ003026 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:44:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9V0iRjR003025 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:44:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9V0iGEQ003021 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:44:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9V0h4bP003283 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:43:45 -0400 Received: from pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.252]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9V0Xla0030787 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:33:47 -0400 Received: from 209-165-14.217.lightspeed.net ([209.165.14.217] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pop-a065d14.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CO3fF-000611-00; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:33:45 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net, "Ken Elliott" Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mounting Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:46:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200410302026.i9UKQqlM027234@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200410302026.i9UKQqlM027234@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200410302046.51724.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.806, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id i9V0iQEQ003022 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Something is definitely screwed up with the Common_Data partition. I finally got Mandrake to start installation. I say finally because steps that normally take minutes took over an hour each, Finally I got to the section in custom installation where you set partitions and then format the partitions of your choice before installation. After 30 minutes or so the install program finally kicked installation to a subroutine where you had the choice of several types of formating for Common_Data compete HD reformatting, throwing Common_Data out or something else. I chose to power down remove the installation disk and then start up again. Which it did in exactly the format it did before I started playing with new installation so things are still as the were before I started installation. All this is telling me is that there is something serve wrong with partitions. What I have no idea or how to fix either. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Frank On Saturday 30 October 2004 04:25 pm, Ken Elliott wrote: > > > As originally set up partitions were as follows per cat /etc/fstab > > > /dev/hda5 /home/trunk/Common_Dara vfat > > Any chance that you've lost a lower numbered partition, and your > Common_Data partition has changed? > > In other words, it might now be /dev/hda4 or /dev/hda3? > > > Ken Elliott > > ===================== > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of SOTL > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 4:05 PM > To: slug@nks.net; Christopher Hotchkiss > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mounting > > Actually this is Mandrake 9.1 being ran as root. > > On Saturday 30 October 2004 11:57 am, Christopher Hotchkiss wrote: > > It could be that your kernel doesnt have support for vfat anymore, are > > you trying this from knoppix? > > No > > > Or are you using the recovery kernel? > > Not sure > > > You also could try 'fsck'. > > Warning message: Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause Severe > filesystem damage. > Do you want to continue (y/n)? > Action aborted by myself by use of No answer. Sorry can not risk the > potential failure. > > Also I have tried to reinstall Mandrake which then hangs up on /home > partition. So that is not an option. Installation abborted due to hangup. > > Thanks > Frank > > > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:52:04 -0400, SOTL wrote: > > > Hi All > > > > > > In the last Dunedin Paul was so gracious to help with my crashed > > > laptop. Thanks to Paul I can now boot the computer into root and as > > > root I can send/receive email which will be the easy to transfer the > > > data I am trying to recover. > > > > > > For those of you who have forgotten, didn care, or did not read the > > > previous set of e-mail I crashed a Mandrake 9.1 system by visiting > > > some web site which apparently had a java script which trashed > > > /home. Attempts by myself to recover by reinstalling the system > > > failed with such attempts finally destroying system boot. Paul was > > > so gracious as to modify the boot such that system now boots directly > > but /home is still obviated. > > > > Currently I am stilltrying to extract critical file data from a > > > directory I called Common_Data. > > > > > > As originally set up partitions were as follows per cat /etc/fstab > > > /dev/hda5 /home/trunk/Common_Dara vfat > > > iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 > > > /dev/hda6 /boot ext3 noatime 1 2 > > > /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 > > > /dev/hda8 /home ext3 > > > /dev/hda9 / ext3 noatime 1 1 > > > /dev/hda10 /home/trunk/Linux_Data reiserfs notail,noatime 1 2 > > > /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 > > > > > > The following attempts were made by Paul and Myself to mount > > > /home/trunk/Common_Data First Paul attempted to mount this partition > > > under /mnt/data and then I attempted to mount it under > > > /mnt/Common_Data by use of the following > > > command: mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/data mount -t auto /dev/hda5 > > > /mnt/data mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/Common_Data mount -t auto > > > /dev/hda5 /mnt/Common_Data > > > > > > The following error message was received: > > > Mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5, or too > > > many mounted file systems. > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions as how to proceed to mount this > > > partition so that the data may be extrated. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Frank > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > > > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 30 23:25:23 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9V3PNEQ004113 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:25:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9V3PNI5004112 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:25:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9V3PMEQ004108 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:25:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9V3PCc9014655 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:25:22 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9V3GEa0021708 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:16:15 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so43170wri for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:16:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=tsrVS1J5DLUKJcWQHwdqQS2WluK4a0i+y0aB8jWQyMIIA3AyVNCNrmAdAd/GXEUb1FiwjXU5Kmv+SsngHXxTt+1vn9rKUU7a8r3G6ZtaspDWfVLLeqHJmIqRHQkVEYz+lYOORwTq5Eper1GjnR7vnHLX5y0VQWA2gtZuZ6VAZK4= Received: by 10.54.39.26 with SMTP id m26mr37379wrm; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.42.56 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7f48492a041030201678728e05@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:16:14 -0400 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] GUI development tool In-Reply-To: <200410301941.10747.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410301432.i9UEWhB7008588@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> <7f48492a04103009135ff8caa1@mail.gmail.com> <1099177440.28868.9.camel@sirus> <200410301941.10747.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Then MANY newbies came online and things went top over tincan. Maybe the > message is that if you got a good thing don't bring MS and newbies to it. : ) > I know a few places that try their best to follow that idea. > > I know I try to keep MS out of it if I can... : ) > > So what was this thread? I love Quanta and KDevelop! > -- > > Steve Szmidt > > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety." > Benjamin Franklin > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > My mistake, I had to look that rule up (yeah Im a newbie with mailing lists). Gmail, seems to be all about top posting, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting. So again sorry about breaking the netiquette. -- Christopher Hotchkiss (813)960-9273 http://www.post227.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 30 23:26:24 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9V3QOEQ004129 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:26:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9V3QO4S004128 for slug-track29; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:26:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9V3QMEQ004124 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:26:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9V3QLbN014786 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:26:22 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9V3PPa0024639 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:25:25 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so43310wri for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:25:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=H23R+Rf1kCklZHUkbn6KXwkMQ37QbUck1CfnRG6qXSZfgE5JF29Q2p5PMr9t/opVRKnjquAfmyH1KsNKoCmCfjGSbZio04fDLxpM+SVfpSB2MBZj8HT5oap31vzgHnWFPCQbKvr7qsRdWLLBNXENykRWElB1GEgRhQjQrW5Lbdw= Received: by 10.54.27.11 with SMTP id a11mr39678wra; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:25:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.42.56 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:25:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7f48492a04103020255255c8f8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:25:24 -0400 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mounting In-Reply-To: <200410302046.51724.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410302026.i9UKQqlM027234@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> <200410302046.51724.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > Warning message: Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause Severe > > filesystem damage. > > Do you want to continue (y/n)? > > Action aborted by myself by use of No answer. Sorry can not risk the > > potential failure. > > > > As originally set up partitions were as follows per cat /etc/fstab > > > > /dev/hda5 /home/trunk/Common_Dara vfat > > > > iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 Since you have had the filesystem setup as vfat, fsck.ext2 wil not work. FYI it wont do anything harmful if you don't have the filesystem mounted. I REALLY hate to say this though, have you tried sticking a hard drive with windows on it into the computer, and seeing if windows scandisk can work some magic? -- Christopher Hotchkiss (813)960-9273 http://www.post227.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 00:01:13 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9V41DEQ004385 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:01:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9V41DSG004384 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:01:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9V41DEQ004380 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:01:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9V416cr017230 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:01:12 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9V3kia0031030 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:46:44 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so48780rnk for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:46:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Ih4tzrXY90lpYTjUo7jPfrM8CZRkv3Mjb9CyZrMFMigLoMHnVtVXNZq1OFmv4GFpa6hFH2/YA7e8DaR13XDBgUgY7ZvApN9lF/NMz/zwa8A8Ou6ZMlluJMaoAGy5pEgYspFL8FaoXNe92BGNfJ4jtcd3N7WFI7b4sNy3S8kdEvQ= Received: by 10.38.165.67 with SMTP id n67mr4685rne; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c9057041030204623835223@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:46:43 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] GUI development tool In-Reply-To: <200410301941.10747.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410301432.i9UEWhB7008588@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> <7f48492a04103009135ff8caa1@mail.gmail.com> <1099177440.28868.9.camel@sirus> <200410301941.10747.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.732, required 6, AWL 1.17, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:41:10 -0400, steve szmidt wrote: > On Saturday 30 October 2004 07:04 pm, Logan Tygart wrote: > > On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 12:13, Christopher Hotchkiss top posted: > > > Oops I knew I forgot a toolkit. > > > > > > And you top post! > > Yes, this was a "nice" feature MS brought to the party. You can now choose to > top post automatically! Before that it was pretty much agreed to be a bad > thing. Only a minority would think of top posting. > > Then MANY newbies came online and things went top over tincan. Maybe the > message is that if you got a good thing don't bring MS and newbies to it. : ) > I know a few places that try their best to follow that idea. > > I know I try to keep MS out of it if I can... : ) I have to use Notlook at the office, and of course it is on the windoz system on this machine (which dualboots into SuSE 9.1) I installed something called QuoteFix on it and now it allows me to bottom quote like real people do B-] MS really screwed that one up as all else I guess. As soon as they bring the Exchange server up to W2K I am going to try the shim with Evoluition and see how that works, if it does I will be MS free except for my mapping stuff. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 13:00:21 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VI0LEQ010192 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:00:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9VI0LHM010191 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:00:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VI0KEQ010187 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:00:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VI0VbL000854 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:00:31 -0500 Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VHxxo1007560 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:59:59 -0500 Received: from [24.110.120.198] (helo=[172.24.24.192]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1COJzm-0005iw-3J for slug@nks.net; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:00:02 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: OT - CAD vendors advising customers to outsource--outsourcing works, when limited From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410292150.i9TLoVZn029474@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200410292150.i9TLoVZn029474@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1099245568.3095.257.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:59:28 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7974e5c291b4d259b3f94b199f3c3e9a89350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.110.120.198 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.129, required 6, AWL 2.77, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 17:49, Ken Elliott wrote: > Fighting it is *exactly* what we should do. > Not by passing laws, of dumb things like that. > But through increased productivity. > We have to earn our higher pay. > To say we can't compete means we might as well roll over. The problem is you are fighting a 3rd world country. American cannot win because the playing field is not fair. American workers have been the most productive per unit cost in the G8 since the early '80s. Despite popular thought, Japanese labor costs passed American workers then. American companies also started adopting Just-in-Time (JIT) and other manufacturing and logistical approaches, concepts actually invented in the '50s by US engineers, but adopted by the Japanese in the '70s. America learned, adopted and overcame, largely because American engineering institutions _did_ start adopting their curriculum almost immediately based on Japanese success in the '70s. The result is that Japan basically dove into a depression in the '90s. As their cost of living rose dramatically, and their productivity per unit cost sank, the economy did too. And, BTW, America owns much of Japan (not vice-versa), just like the British own much of America. Unfortunately, now we have a different problem today. First off, China. China does not respect IP, and piracy of engineering designs are rampant. So is forgery of American regulator and industry certifications. Although the G8 is using this as a "bargaining chip" to the entrance of China into a new "G9." Environmental issues are also at the forefront. Secondly is the problem of outsourcing to not just not G8 countries, not just 2nd world countries, but 3rd world countries. India is slowly but surely increasing its standard and, therefore, cost of living. It is now considered "too expensive" compared to fledging software industries in Ireland, Israel and several others. In any case, we're talking 1/4th to 1/20th the cost of US manpower. It's not like a G8 nation where we're talking percentage difference, but _several_times_ over. Fortunately, the problem is that software is a 100% _social_ construct. >From the highest-level GUI interfaces to assembler (which, despite popular software developer assumption, is _nothing_ like actual execution in silicon). Because it is social, it is affected by locale. And it is because of locale, things like support, user-interfaces and most other details can_not_ be outsourced with good results. Reality? Business leaders _must_ understand what can and cannot be outsourced. I've written requirements for outsourced software. You have to "baby" them. Outsourced software development _must_ be limited to "core, geeky" code development. Anything that remotely presents itself to the user, the American user, must be written and/or integrated by American developers. Anything that requires business models or other social features that are American locale, must be written and/or integrated by American developers. Problem? American business leaders and the companies they direct continue to be dominated by 3 year or less profit model and planning. With fewer and fewer traditional engineers being graduated each year, and over 50% of them being foreign born and returning to their foreign lands after graduation, this is only getting worse. I may be biased, but traditional engineers who grow into managers grow into the best leaders of businesses. Unfortunately, there are so few these days, there is a massive void of _sound_ business planning beyond 3 years. Which is why the problem is so many variables mashed together. > Civil engineering on Pro/E? That's pretty funny. Stress, modeling, HVAC, etc... these are _key_ civil engineering concepts. Just because most civil engineers focus on statics instead of dynamic doesn't mean their isn't a place for the latter in the discipline. The industry has just decided to focus on > Pro/E is strong in machine design only. That's what it's designed for. By the same viewpoint, you would argue that DTP is only for publication then, correct? I would argue that Word Processing is a pre-GUI technology eclipsed by DTP with the proliferation of the GUI. > AutoCAD is a joke in that field, compared to Pro/E - Agreed. But Pro/E > would be a joke to a Civil engineer, Architect, and for GIS. Again, I would argue that 2D layout is a pre-3D technology eclipsed by 3D engineering frameworks with the proliferation of the 3D GUI. > AutoCAD can be a platform for all of these, and that's why it's like a > Swiss Army Knife. If Pro/E, among other systems, were as popular, it too could have everything from COGO to GIS to TRAN. Don't confuse popularity and availability of add-ons with _inherent_ capability. > But if you compare AutoCAD to ANY specialized app, it loses. Again, you make the assumption that Pro/E is "specialized" from your viewpoint. From my viewpoint, AutoCAD is _limited_. Several people are making the same statements about Sun's Looking Glass, it's "specialized 3D," when Looking Glass is one of the most _general_ _purpose_ frameworks that anyone has _ever_ written for GUI development. Assumptions, familiarity, lack of attention to the inherent capability, these are why such statements are made when they are simply not true. > Just like a Swiss Army knife is not as good as a screwdriver. But you assume Pro/E is a screwdriver when, in fact, it's a fully loaded racket set with cutting and refining ends as well. > But that doesn't mean AutoCAD sucks, it means it's a different type of > tool. Yes, it _is_ a _different_ type of tool. But it is not any more "general purpose" than Pro/E, it is just more _proliferated_ and _common_ than Pro/E. Therefore, it has more add-ons. But it not any more "general purpose." > I did CAD/CAM/GIS consulting for 15 years. Every product has its > place. I have spent almost 2 decades in the civil/environmental, mechanical/aerospace _and_ electrical/computer fields -- _all_three_ of the core disciplines of engineering. The term "general purpose" changes with that viewpoint. > Example" Compare Pro/E to Rhino for car body design. Rhino blows it away. > Rhino is fantastic - like modeling clay on a PC. Pro/E simply can't do that > class of surfaces. BTW, Rhino is $795, easy to learn, and runs on a PC. > Pro/E is several thousands and takes months to become productive. Other people would say the same about Windows v. UNIX/Linux. Again, assumptions, familiarity, lack of attention to the inherent capability, these are why such statements are made when they are simply not true. > I disagree. They've been losing market share for the last 5 or 6 years. But > they are starting to turn it around. They only lost $98 million last year, > and actually show a profit for this year. > http://www.caddigest.com/subjects/pro_engineer/select/011602_cadreport.htm Show me software companies that are not losing money these days, _unless_ they are #1 in their market. It is not because of AutoCAD, but because of the economy. > From what I've seen, and dealers I've known, PTC has a habit of treating > their dealers badly. Autodesk has done the same, and worse. I dislike > companies the screw over my friends. Autodesk uses an "oneback" document compatibility strategy like Microsoft. I call this one of the two drivers of "Hostageware." Bentley Systems has always maintained document compatibility better than Autodesk in their products. But is Microstation less popular than AutoCAD > Example: > http://www.caddigest.com/subjects/pro_engineer/select/grabowski_rand_sues.ht > m > No, Visio _made_ IntelliCAD a competitor. > Softdesk started development of IntelliCAD, but Autodesk bought them. > IntelliCAD was sold by Autodesk after the Justice Department forced them, > and then Visio purchased IntelliCAD, and > finished developing it. There was quite a fight between Visio and Autodesk > for a while. After MS purchased Visio, MS pushed the product into their > "shared source" experiment. > I don't recall any non-Windows ports. AutoCAD had several until the Autodesk-MS alliance. Anyhoo, same result. Goes to show that legislation and regulation are rather incapable of making any difference. Which is why I am pushing for "peer professional" self-regulation. One of the best mechanisms we have is the engineering discipline. Unfortunately, the professional engineering organizations and state boards of professional engineers seem to be a bunch of narrow-minded, bridge-build civil engineers who don't think software engineering is a real discipline with different levels of engineering, engineering technology and technicians. Hence nothing gets resolved. On the other flip of the coin, the IT industry calls themselves engineers with little regard for what the discipline actually entails. No, it's not "the degree" BS, but the _actual_ principles and application of risk analysis, microeconomics and attention to ethics. Whether or not you get those from a degree and 4 years of experience or 12-16 years of experience doesn't matter, it is still an _involved_, peer-based education. Knowing the specifics of hardware and networking equipment and how to plug them together is _not_ engineering. That is technology. We really need a peer infrastructure to address _serious_deficiencies_ in ethical application of technology. From ATMs to E-voting to financial networks to power plants -- I tire of seeing horrendous decisions made. ATMs and E-Voting that run Windows not because Diebold wants to, but because consumers want it do. Engineering control systems that are remotely accessed by IT professionals from Windows only to be infected with viruses, not because the engineers allowed it, but because they were overriden by IT and business managers. Financial networks that are no longer separate from general networks for cost reasons, not matter how much professionals try to persuade them otherwise. Legislation and regulation will solve nothing. God knows I've seen the best designs get "torn down" because departments like the Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS) don't care about good designs, they want to see consistency, so everything is implemented as the "least secure" system in a company. Just makes me want to pull my hair out. The BoPEs in their arrogance versus the IT world in its gross ignorance. No one wins and the public trust and safety is not protected. > I'm not here to defend Autodesk - far from it. I knew the founders, but I > don't like what the company turned into, and how they put over 90% of their > hard working dealers out of business (from over 3,000 to about 150). But > PTC has also been a stinker, and a big one. In the industry, it was well > known that PTC would try to take any order direct if it involved 3 seats or > more of Pro/E. That sucked. SolidWorks (when I was a dealer) never took > any order away from a dealer. You were treated with respect while Autodesk > and PTC would crap on you. Most of the dealers I knew dumped Pro/E, and > switched to SolidWorks. That's when PTC started hurting. I've worked with PTC and I really don't know how you can't compare them to what Autodesk does. -- Bryan J. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 15:31:17 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VKVHEQ011420 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:31:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9VKVGn6011419 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:31:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VKVFEQ011415 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:31:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VKT6dD025016 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:31:26 -0500 Received: from starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net (starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.227]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VHAUlU023345 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:10:34 -0500 Received: from [24.110.120.198] (helo=[172.24.24.192]) by starling.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1COJDo-0001pj-OK for slug@nks.net; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:10:28 -0800 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: OT - CAD vendors advising customers to outsource --better analogy From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200410292204.i9TM4lB7011178@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200410292204.i9TM4lB7011178@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1099242566.3095.206.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:09:27 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f2549291f8ecabc22254e8a2b4a31b24350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.110.120.198 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 18:03, Ken Elliott wrote: > But that's the exact point I was making. The F1 car or Aircraft is far > superior in the _right_ application. But the Accord or Truck is more > general purpose, easier to learn, cheaper to own, and effect for many (not > all) applications. The problem is that you assume, from your perspective, that AutoCAD is a "general purpose" and Pro/E is not. Nothing is further from the truth. Many people say "Word Processing" is "general purpose" but "Desktop Publishing" is not. That also is not true. It is based 100% on _assumptions_. AutoCAD approaches the problem differently than Pro/E, but it does not mean Pro/E is "less general purpose" than AutoCAD. > The classic specialized tool v. general purpose tool issue. I just can't > suggest making broad statements that one is better than the other. I agree > that most people think CAD=AutoCAD. That certainly annoys the other CAD > vendors, much like the blank stare I get when I say Linux. Exactly. It's all about assumptions and familiarity. -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 15:31:29 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VKVTEQ011427 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:31:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9VKVT8A011426 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:31:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VKVSEQ011422 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:31:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VKShe5024862 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:31:39 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9V5ikmo027483 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:44:46 -0400 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (184-177.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.177.184]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9V5igNu013170 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41847DCC.80708@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:53:16 -0400 From: Richard Smoot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040216 Debian/1.6.x.1-10 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mounting References: <200410302026.i9UKQqlM027234@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> <200410302046.51724.sotl155360@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200410302046.51724.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net SOTL wrote: >Something is definitely screwed up with the Common_Data partition. > >I finally got Mandrake to start installation. I say finally because steps that >normally take minutes took over an hour each, Finally I got to the section in >custom installation where you set partitions and then format the partitions >of your choice before installation. After 30 minutes or so the install >program finally kicked installation to a subroutine where you had the choice >of several types of formating for Common_Data compete HD reformatting, >throwing Common_Data out or something else. I chose to power down remove the >installation disk and then start up again. Which it did in exactly the format >it did before I started playing with new installation so things are still as >the were before I started installation. > >All this is telling me is that there is something serve wrong with partitions. >What I have no idea or how to fix either. > >Any advice would be appreciated. > >Thanks >Frank > >On Saturday 30 October 2004 04:25 pm, Ken Elliott wrote: > > >>>>As originally set up partitions were as follows per cat /etc/fstab >>>>/dev/hda5 /home/trunk/Common_Dara vfat >>>> >>>> >>Any chance that you've lost a lower numbered partition, and your >>Common_Data partition has changed? >> >>In other words, it might now be /dev/hda4 or /dev/hda3? >> >> >>Ken Elliott >> >>===================== >>-----Original Message----- >>From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of SOTL >>Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 4:05 PM >>To: slug@nks.net; Christopher Hotchkiss >>Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mounting >> >>Actually this is Mandrake 9.1 being ran as root. >> >>On Saturday 30 October 2004 11:57 am, Christopher Hotchkiss wrote: >> >> >>>It could be that your kernel doesnt have support for vfat anymore, are >>>you trying this from knoppix? >>> >>> >>No >> >> >> >>>Or are you using the recovery kernel? >>> >>> >>Not sure >> >> >> >>>You also could try 'fsck'. >>> >>> >>Warning message: Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause Severe >>filesystem damage. >>Do you want to continue (y/n)? >>Action aborted by myself by use of No answer. Sorry can not risk the >>potential failure. >> >>Also I have tried to reinstall Mandrake which then hangs up on /home >>partition. So that is not an option. Installation abborted due to hangup. >> >>Thanks >>Frank >> >> >> >>>On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:52:04 -0400, SOTL wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hi All >>>> >>>>In the last Dunedin Paul was so gracious to help with my crashed >>>>laptop. Thanks to Paul I can now boot the computer into root and as >>>>root I can send/receive email which will be the easy to transfer the >>>>data I am trying to recover. >>>> >>>>For those of you who have forgotten, didn care, or did not read the >>>>previous set of e-mail I crashed a Mandrake 9.1 system by visiting >>>>some web site which apparently had a java script which trashed >>>>/home. Attempts by myself to recover by reinstalling the system >>>>failed with such attempts finally destroying system boot. Paul was >>>>so gracious as to modify the boot such that system now boots directly >>>> >>>> >>but /home is still obviated. >> >> >> >>>>Currently I am stilltrying to extract critical file data from a >>>>directory I called Common_Data. >>>> >>>> >>>>The following error message was received: >>>>Mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5, or too >>>>many mounted file systems. >>>> >>>>Does anyone have any suggestions as how to proceed to mount this >>>>partition so that the data may be extrated. >>>> >>>>Thanks >>>>Frank >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> If you have a Linux desktop PC available, I would get an adapter that lets you plug a laptop HD into it and try trouble shooting it with a fully working system. Any installation or extensive operation on the only HD in the laptop is likely to overwrite and corrupt the data you are trying to save. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 15:31:12 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VKVCEQ011413 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:31:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9VKVCPO011412 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:31:12 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VKVAEQ011408 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:31:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VKTUcj025189 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:31:21 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9V6COQN029825 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:12:25 -0500 Received: (qmail 18471 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2004 06:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.16.43.255) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2004 06:12:24 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 10E7D125325; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:11:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:11:45 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mounting Message-ID: <20041031061145.GI31702@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200410301152.04538.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <7f48492a04103008573f40dbb3@mail.gmail.com> <200410301605.28399.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200410301605.28399.sotl155360@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 04:05:28PM -0400, SOTL wrote: > Actually this is Mandrake 9.1 being ran as root. > > On Saturday 30 October 2004 11:57 am, Christopher Hotchkiss wrote: > > It could be that your kernel doesnt have support for vfat anymore, are > > you trying this from knoppix? > No > > > Or are you using the recovery kernel? > Not sure > > > You also could try 'fsck'. > Warning message: Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause Severe > filesystem damage. > Do you want to continue (y/n)? > Action aborted by myself by use of No answer. Sorry can not risk the > potential > failure. The partition in question (/dev/hda5) is a vfat partition. You don't run e2fsck on that kind of partition. In fact, I don't know what you can run on a vfat partition to straighten it out, which is why we only got that far in doing the recovery at Dunedin. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 15:31:42 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VKVgEQ011434 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:31:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9VKVgrk011433 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:31:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VKVfEQ011429 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:31:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VKSheZ024862 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:31:52 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9V5owQN012675 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:50:58 -0400 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (184-177.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.177.184]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9V5otB7014066 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41847F41.9070700@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:59:29 -0400 From: Richard Smoot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040216 Debian/1.6.x.1-10 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mounting References: <200410302026.i9UKQqlM027234@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> <200410302046.51724.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <7f48492a04103020255255c8f8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7f48492a04103020255255c8f8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Christopher Hotchkiss wrote: >>>Warning message: Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause Severe >>>filesystem damage. >>>Do you want to continue (y/n)? >>>Action aborted by myself by use of No answer. Sorry can not risk the >>>potential failure. >>> >>> > > > >>>>>As originally set up partitions were as follows per cat /etc/fstab >>>>>/dev/hda5 /home/trunk/Common_Dara vfat >>>>> iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 >>>>> >>>>> > >Since you have had the filesystem setup as vfat, fsck.ext2 wil not >work. FYI it wont do anything harmful if you don't have the filesystem >mounted. I REALLY hate to say this though, have you tried sticking a >hard drive with windows on it into the computer, and seeing if windows >scandisk can work some magic? > > > Scandisk in windows gives you totally useless files and will definitly make it harder to recover data. Look at some of the Windows data recovery sites. Scandisk is the last thing you want to do if the data is important to you. I did not find any free really useful data recovery software for Windows. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 15:33:16 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VKXGEQ011469 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:33:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9VKXGdp011468 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:33:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VKXFEQ011464 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:33:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VKXMbL026552 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:33:22 -0500 Received: from mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.228]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VI5ThT030968 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:05:29 -0500 Received: from [24.110.120.198] (helo=[172.24.24.192]) by mynah.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1COK50-0001S4-Gj for slug@nks.net; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:05:26 -0800 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: OT - CAD vendors advising customers to outsource--outsourcing works, when limited From: "Bryan J. Smith" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1099245568.3095.257.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <200410292150.i9TLoVZn029474@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> <1099245568.3095.257.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1099245925.3095.262.camel@localhost.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:05:25 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 372864ffccd7cbbc1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79eaa975f5eddde23c043d5546c7455de9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.110.120.198 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 12:59, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > Autodesk uses an "oneback" document compatibility strategy like > Microsoft. I call this one of the two drivers of "Hostageware." > Bentley Systems has always maintained document compatibility better than > Autodesk in their products. But is Microstation less popular than > AutoCAD Didn't finish a thought there, what you're saying is that Pro/E is less popular than AutoCAD because it is different and not "general purpose." Well, Microstation is a similar approach than AutoCAD. Why is it not as popular then? It has nothing to do with "general purpose." -- Bryan J. Smith b.j.smith@ieee.org ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Communities don't have rights. Only individuals in the community have rights. ... That idea of community rights is firmly rooted in the 'Communist Manifesto.'" -- Michael Badnarik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 15:33:29 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VKXTEQ011481 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:33:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9VKXTaq011480 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:33:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VKXSEQ011476 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:33:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VKXTbL026599 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:33:31 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VIIZhT013490 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:18:36 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so76206rnk for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:18:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=X0YBTWl+2RZtFZ0bUZb4KyD6a1FD7+o7HdK0ogI0ko+IXfXG07xpmoShNoxnc68wDPIrArZyggTwM8wps3AcbvTcE4lFly6jcujMld07+vMhcv4dm1AntojLpzUchtkCV449BHysG+kt1cBFO1o76bigSoxTgOSFHVYH4CmHX70= Received: by 10.38.72.26 with SMTP id u26mr280617rna; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:18:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:18:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <620c9057041031101810dd18e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:18:21 -0800 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Problem mounting USB Floppy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks, Went to the computer show yesterday and got a USB floppy for this machine. I know it works as I have brought up the windows side and it finds it just fine. When I am running SuSE 9.1 I can not appear to find it. I do hear the FD searching and it appears to be setting there running as i can see the motor going on and off and can hear the head or whatever making clicking noises inside the machine. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 15:42:15 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VKgFEQ011577 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:42:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9VKgFae011576 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:42:15 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VKgEEQ011572 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:42:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.ssn.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [66.152.21.105]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VKfubh028609 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:42:23 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-07.ssn.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9U4xl7m031767 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:59:48 -0400 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (184-177.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.177.184]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9U4xiB7015891 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <418321BC.6060500@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:08:12 -0400 From: Richard Smoot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040216 Debian/1.6.x.1-10 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Great Read Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I just finished reading "Just for Fun" by Linus Torvalds and David Diamond Library #005.1092 Torvalds. It's a little dated copywrited 2000. Found it in the computer section of the main library instead of the autobiography section. Very interesting on early Linux up until it started to get Mainstream. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 15:53:46 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VKrkEQ011673 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:53:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9VKrk9i011672 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:53:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VKriEQ011668 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:53:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VKrebT030744 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:53:55 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VKpcGb009067 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:51:38 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9VKpXB8019832 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:51:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:51:28 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Problem mounting USB Floppy In-Reply-To: <620c9057041031101810dd18e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Went to the computer show yesterday and got a USB floppy for this machine. > I know it works as I have brought up the windows side and it finds it just fine. > > When I am running SuSE 9.1 I can not appear to find it. I do hear the > FD searching > and it appears to be setting there running as i can see the motor > going on and off > and can hear the head or whatever making clicking noises inside the machine. Is that a known-good floppy disk? Does it have some filesystem that maybe Linux does not understand? Do you have another Linux machine (with a different floppy drive) in which you can format a floppy disk? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H.L. Mencken ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 16:03:23 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VL3NEQ011754 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:03:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9VL3NAx011753 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:03:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VL3MEQ011749 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:03:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VL3GbR031428 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:03:33 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VKxGGb010605 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:59:17 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so56524wri for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:59:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=AG5bsEiVyJUCoDhD+YabKKFB1FOUFC7h//Wt9Y2j6Sx/4W8DU311vhBJLbwfKaBm1bTFzPQLFkyZA6aldP5ISjKZ/57KPODn4EQKSK868OSJivSKXJtQSnQRCtAt/zq2cDbVKX2JV+xtmFVLXTi9MWmmkwpeRdQFw+uH3KMu4vw= Received: by 10.54.39.26 with SMTP id m26mr69571wrm; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:59:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.56 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:59:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f48492a04103112595475ff2b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:59:13 -0500 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Great Read In-Reply-To: <418321BC.6060500@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <418321BC.6060500@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:08:12 -0400, Richard Smoot wrote: > I just finished reading "Just for Fun" by Linus Torvalds and David > Diamond Library > #005.1092 Torvalds. It's a little dated copywrited 2000. Found it in the > computer section of the main > library instead of the autobiography section. Very interesting on early > Linux up until > it started to get Mainstream. > Another good book is Rebel Code by Glyn Moody. It covers the whole history back to the start of the GNU project. $5 bookstore clearance. -- Christopher Hotchkiss (813)960-9273 http://www.post227.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 16:09:40 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VL9dEQ011794 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:09:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9VL9dWa011793 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:09:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VL9dEQ011789 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:09:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VL98bP031709 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:09:50 -0500 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VL2aGb016479 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:02:37 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B31DFF9B5 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:02:41 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Problem mounting USB Floppy Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:04:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <620c9057041031101810dd18e7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c9057041031101810dd18e7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200410311604.47664.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net My USB floppy mounts as the last SCSI device. Some distros auto-populate /etc/fstab. tail /etc/fstab My USB floppy in /etc/fstab (auto-populated?): /dev/sdc /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0 Note, it's not /dev/sdc1,sdc3, etc. This is unlike SCSI HDs /mario On Sunday 31 October 2004 13:18, Chuck Hast wrote: > Folks, > Went to the computer show yesterday and got a USB floppy for this machine. > I know it works as I have brought up the windows side and it finds it just > fine. > > When I am running SuSE 9.1 I can not appear to find it. I do hear the > FD searching > and it appears to be setting there running as i can see the motor > going on and off > and can hear the head or whatever making clicking noises inside the > machine. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 16:19:26 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VLJQEQ011869 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:19:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9VLJQuV011868 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:19:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VLJPEQ011864 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:19:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VLJZbR032343 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:19:36 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VKuv5B019419 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:56:58 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so56497wri for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:57:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=MfUqHbNQv2zd3aoaQOPsex30PH+HK+LJRo4EINLreRJoZX1J2ytehbUqsYgOZnPZVRXmJ9TdRQNqrlbJcgAQlH8popRuNeTkHyGk5p5IsmxqJD1eaEtoRQeNphrb7JFW+G4Y0cqgwhAZjKD27MEuRPLbPdi6mWmWfLwfFbF1uNY= Received: by 10.54.27.11 with SMTP id a11mr71600wra; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.56 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:57:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f48492a041031125776ae7b1d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:57:02 -0500 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mounting In-Reply-To: <41847F41.9070700@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410302026.i9UKQqlM027234@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> <200410302046.51724.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <7f48492a04103020255255c8f8@mail.gmail.com> <41847F41.9070700@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Scandisk in windows gives you totally useless files and will definitly > make it > harder to recover data. Look at some of the Windows data recovery sites. > Scandisk is the last thing you want to do if the data is important to you. > I did not find any free really useful data recovery software for Windows. Sorry my bad. Its worked once in a while to fix a bad floppy. Didn't know it could wreck havoc. -- Christopher Hotchkiss (813)960-9273 http://www.post227.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 17:35:35 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VMZZEQ012497 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:35:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9VMZZfN012496 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:35:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VMZYEQ012492 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:35:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VMZjbL005934 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:35:45 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VMZMGb032067 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:35:23 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so92430rnk for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:35:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=UOo1dYnsMz5ZnW53cUVzEmm0NYAPR0oHCIDdSonKKtkLiMNmwfTFQSh+mS/pQ87uv9/CMFvC315ToLQsDOqhi4K2Ai6Nm5u6rrsQ5sIiL+3eZjc2okkxHedF2SDCdsYd+P3Q49nUjU9FF69Lk4C+UF/i06r/g1Tjq1VqyStqd2E= Received: by 10.38.72.20 with SMTP id u20mr380317rna; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:35:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:35:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <620c905704103114356ca808ef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:35:14 -0800 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Problem mounting USB Floppy In-Reply-To: <200410311604.47664.mario@alienscience.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <620c9057041031101810dd18e7@mail.gmail.com> <200410311604.47664.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.15, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_GET_MEDS 2.75) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:04:40 -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > My USB floppy mounts as the last SCSI device. Some distros > auto-populate /etc/fstab. > > tail /etc/fstab > > My USB floppy in /etc/fstab (auto-populated?): > /dev/sdc /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0 > > Note, it's not /dev/sdc1,sdc3, etc. This is unlike SCSI HDs It has a good floppy, and the XP partition when up and running will see it and read/write to the disk just fine. But when I bring up SuSE it does not see it I see the drive cycling and hear the motors in it running but do not see where it is found by anything Here is my fstab file /dev/hda3 / reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 1 /dev/hde1 /data1 auto noauto,user 0 0 /dev/hda1 /windows/C ntfs ro,users,gid=users,umask=0002,nls=utf8 0 0 /dev/hda2 swap swap pri=42 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts mode=0620,gid=5 0 0 proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs noauto 0 0 sysfs /sys sysfs noauto 0 0 /dev/cdrecorder /media/cdrecorder subfs fs=cdfss,ro,procuid,nosuid,nodev,exec,iocharset=utf8 0 0 And the mtab file /dev/hda3 / reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 proc /proc proc rw 0 0 tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=0620,gid=5 0 0 /dev/hda1 /windows/C ntfs ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,nls=utf8 0 0 /dev/hdc /media/cdrecorder subfs ro,nosuid,nodev,fs=cdfss,procuid,iocharset=utf8 0 0 usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 /dev/hde1 /data1 vfat rw 0 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 18:01:42 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VN1gEQ012703 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:01:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9VN1g6Q012702 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:01:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VN1fEQ012698 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:01:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VN1qbL008905 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:01:52 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VN1CpF005392 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:01:12 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i9VN1QZo004168 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:01:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:01:22 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Problem mounting USB Floppy In-Reply-To: <620c905704103114356ca808ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:04:40 -0500, Mario Lombardo > wrote: > > My USB floppy mounts as the last SCSI device. Some distros > > auto-populate /etc/fstab. > > > > tail /etc/fstab > > > > My USB floppy in /etc/fstab (auto-populated?): > > /dev/sdc /mnt/floppy auto noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0 > > > > Note, it's not /dev/sdc1,sdc3, etc. This is unlike SCSI HDs > > It has a good floppy, and the XP partition when up and running will see it and > read/write to the disk just fine. But when I bring up SuSE it does not > see it I see > the drive cycling and hear the motors in it running but do not see where it is > found by anything Try "file - < /dev/sda" (or whatever "SCSI disk" it is) to see if you can read it at all. "file" provides remarkably unhelpful information dor trying to decide what filesystem is used on a disk, but in this case it works. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Ben Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 18:16:47 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VNGlEQ012819 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:16:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id i9VNGlpr012818 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:16:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id i9VNGhEQ012814 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:16:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VNGobL010559 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:16:50 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i9VNGFlZ008727 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:16:15 -0500 Received: (qmail 5055 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2004 23:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.16.43.255) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2004 23:16:31 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 91B22125325; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:15:58 -0500 (EST) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20041031231558.91B22125325@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:15:58 -0500 (EST) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (paulf) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.233, required 6, AWL 1.97, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* BRANDON ************************************************** 4 November 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 22:07:16 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id iA137GEQ014503 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:07:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id iA137Gmd014502 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:07:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id iA137FEQ014498 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:07:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id iA137EbP024674 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:07:15 -0500 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id iA136wpF013550 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:06:58 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1623EFF9F9 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:07:00 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Problem mounting USB Floppy Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:09:02 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410312209.02265.mario@alienscience.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If you do this: /sbin/lsmod | grep usb Do you see the usb-storage module? If so, I would try: mount -t auto /dev/sda /mnt/floppy I sort of guessing at this point. I still don't understand how Linux figures out where to attach hot devices. This information is merely from experience. /mario On Sunday 31 October 2004 18:01, Eben King wrote: > On Sun, 31 Oct 2004, Chuck Hast wrote: > > On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:04:40 -0500, Mario Lombardo > > > > wrote: > > > My USB floppy mounts as the last SCSI device. Some distros > > > auto-populate /etc/fstab. > > > > > > tail /etc/fstab > > > > > > My USB floppy in /etc/fstab (auto-populated?): > > > /dev/sdc /mnt/floppy auto > > > noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0 > > > > > > Note, it's not /dev/sdc1,sdc3, etc. This is unlike SCSI HDs > > > > It has a good floppy, and the XP partition when up and running will see > > it and read/write to the disk just fine. But when I bring up SuSE it does > > not see it I see > > the drive cycling and hear the motors in it running but do not see where > > it is found by anything > > Try "file - < /dev/sda" (or whatever "SCSI disk" it is) to see if you can > read it at all. "file" provides remarkably unhelpful information dor > trying to decide what filesystem is used on a disk, but in this case it > works. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 23:38:22 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id iA14cMEQ015163 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:38:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id iA14cMoO015162 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:38:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id iA14cLEQ015158 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:38:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id iA14c7bn029790 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:38:20 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id iA14ZJlZ005959 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:35:20 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so116709rnk for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:35:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ItQ3FXNU0fQdZxI3qKygGa2uG8ccrqPzXY3Zz9K+tT6AqQZVHJ9b5alb90BdUeP1wq9+AR4CCuu4cTe2mlxC1HLr6msL7fJijWer9XYEaWC8+c2HyfgWFsb0Xsum9yf6noK6eMgBCW7YSHAe1bievdJ42B+iS0VCKSviBtM+rko= Received: by 10.38.72.20 with SMTP id u20mr525239rna; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:35:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:35:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <620c905704103120358cdd071@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:35:17 -0800 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Problem mounting USB Floppy In-Reply-To: <200410312209.02265.mario@alienscience.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410312209.02265.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.811, required 6, AWL 1.09, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:09:02 -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > If you do this: > /sbin/lsmod | grep usb > > Do you see the usb-storage module? If so, I would try: > mount -t auto /dev/sda /mnt/floppy > > I sort of guessing at this point. I still don't understand how Linux figures > out where to attach hot devices. This information is merely from experience. > > Here is what I got from the lsmod grep sb_storage 60096 0 scsi_mod 108876 5 usb_storage,sg,st,sd_mod,sr_mod usbserial 29040 0 usbcore 103644 7 usb_storage,usbserial,hid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 31 23:38:27 2004 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id iA14cREQ015170 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:38:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id iA14cRmJ015169 for slug-track29; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:38:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id iA14cQEQ015165 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:38:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id iA14c7bp029790 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:38:22 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id iA14bvlZ006873 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:37:58 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 73so116909rnk for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:37:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=BNePCEQsnYgKek5RKlPkeKwIFoKE2psoyjpmYOmx+D7A3xZV5xqouqS2ir/O3vQR/3K49qTNUgdMxgFnoNZcdr7XcyLjdyxJ3EsqAD/h1T6Cu4AyT74Ekt2ZQWyi3EIJlavngHdL2GUmxT/L28X6knLDIDi8ky9jyJ2YiyyAhI8= Received: by 10.38.165.67 with SMTP id n67mr531490rne; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:37:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.151.6 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:37:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <620c905704103120376d8cedf9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:37:57 -0800 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Problem mounting USB Floppy In-Reply-To: <620c905704103120358cdd071@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200410312209.02265.mario@alienscience.com> <620c905704103120358cdd071@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.836, required 6, AWL 1.06, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:35:17 -0800, Chuck Hast wrote: > On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:09:02 -0500, Mario Lombardo > wrote: > > If you do this: > > /sbin/lsmod | grep usb > > > > Do you see the usb-storage module? If so, I would try: > > mount -t auto /dev/sda /mnt/floppy > > > > I sort of guessing at this point. I still don't understand how Linux figures > > out where to attach hot devices. This information is merely from experience. > > > > > Here is what I got from the lsmod grep > sb_storage 60096 0 > scsi_mod 108876 5 usb_storage,sg,st,sd_mod,sr_mod > usbserial 29040 0 > usbcore 103644 7 usb_storage,usbserial,hid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd > Well I did the mount and after some funny sounds and whatnot it mounted.. Tnx for the info. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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